Game 73: Yankees at Mets (updates with Jeter scratched and Girardi pre-game audio; first pitch at 8)
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YANKEES (40-32)
Gardner
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Cabrera RF
Cervelli C
Pena SS
Sabathia LHP
Pitching: LHP CC Sabathia (6-4, 3.71).
METS (37-34)
Castillo 2B
Cora SS
Wright 3B
Sheffield RF
Tatis LF
Church CF
Evans 1B
Santos C
Pelfrey RHP
Pitching: RHP Mike Pelfrey (5-2, 4.74).
TIME/TV: 7:10 p.m., MY9, SNY.
THEY MEET AGAIN: It’s Subway Series, Round Two as the Yankees and Mets meet again. The Yankees won two of three games played in the Bronx from June 12-14. They won 9-8 on Luis Castillo’s dropped pop-up with two outs in the bottom of the ninth. Then the Mets won 6-2 before the Yankees hammered Johan Santana en route to a 15-0 victory.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees were 3-3 on their journey to Miami and Atlanta, winning their last two games. They have lost five of eight overall.
INTERLEAGUE ISSUES: The Yankees are 7-8 against the National League this season.
MILESTONE MO: Mariano Rivera has 499 saves. Only Trevor Hoffman (571) has more. Mariano has been nearly perfect lately. His last six outings: 6 innings, 1 hit, 1 run, 1 walk, nine strikeouts.
HOT LATELY: Johnny Damon is 6 of his last 9 with three runs scored and five RBI. … Alex Rodriguez is 5 of his last 15 with three runs scored and five RBI. … Brett Gardner is 19 of 56 (.339) over his last 26 games with a .422 OBP. The idea that Gardner would get overmatched by big-league pitching is being proven incorrect. He has struck out seven times in his last 56 at-bats and only three rimes in his last 39.
OFFENSE ARISES: The Yankees in the last two games are 26 of 79 (.329) with 19 runs scored, 13 walks and seven extra-base hits.
STREAKING ON: His streak started in April before he went on the disabled list for 60 days. But nevertheless, Cody Ransom has hit in seven straight at 8 of 25 with five extra-base hits and six RBI.
CANO CRUMBLING A BIT: Robinson Cano is 2 for his last 15. Perhaps it’s his sore left wrist.
NICE TO CC YOU AGAIN: Sabathia faced the Mets once in his career, beating the on June 16, 2004 at Shea Stadium. He allowed one run on six hits over eight innings for Cleveland. Gary Sheffield is 5 of 18 with a homer against CC and Castllo 4 of 16.
PELFREY POUNDED: Pelfrey is 1-1 with a 7.08 in four June starts, having allowed 16 earned runs on 28 hits and eight walks over 20.1 innings. He has faced the Yankees once in his career, getting the win in a 15-6 game on June 27, 2008. Pelfrey, however, allowed four run on eight hits and four walks over five innings.
HE’S THE ACE: Alfredo Aceves, the anti-Kei Igawa, is 6-1, 2.27 in 24 games for the games since arriving from Mexico. He has allowed only 52 hits over 63.1 innings. Aceves has walked 17 and whiffed 44.
Back with much more later.
UPDATE, 4;54 p.m.: No test on Nady today, but he is heading back to see Dr. Yocum in California. It sounds bad.
UPDATE, 6:06 p.m.: Storm rolling in here and they’re about to put the tarp down.
UPDATE, 6:21 p.m.: The Mets have asked fans to take refuge on the concourses because “severe weather” is anticipated.
UPDATE, 6:23 p.m.: Jeter was just scratched because of illness. It’s going through the team. Matsui and Cabrera are just getting over it.
UPDATE, 6:28 p.m.: It’s not just raining. Waves of rain are hitting the stadium like a high pressure hosed was turned on and there are high winds. There are six carts parked on the tarp to keep it from blowing away.
Obviously we will not be starting on time tonight.
UPDATE, 6:30 p.m.: Here is Joe Girardi’s pre-game press conference:
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UPDATE, 6:39 p.m.: Just to clarify the Xavier Nady situation, he’s done for the season. He has told teammates that he tore the ulnar collateral ligament in his elbow and will need surgery. Given that Tommy John surgery requires a year to recover from, X’s 2010 season is in danger as well.
As was reported first here back in April, Nady was told that the ligament was torn and would need surgery. But he gambled that the platelet injection procedure would work and lost. It was probably a long shot from the start given that he had first had Tommy John surgery in 2001 when he was in the minors.
Nady, unfortunately for him, is a free agent after this season.
UPDATE, 6:52 p.m.: It’s still raining but it’s not the “round up two of everything” rain we had before. The wind also has died down.
UPDATE, 7:24 p.m.: No start time announced, but we’re going to see some baseball. Rain has stopped and they’re preparing to take the tarp off.
UPDATE, 7:29 p.m.: First pitch at 8.
UPDATE, 7:55 p.m.: I just wrote the Yankees lineup in my scorebook. Sabathia might be the sixth-best power hitter in the order. He has three jacks and a .667 OPS.
UPDATE, 8:02 p.m.: We’re underway in Queens after a 52-minute rain delay. GGBG gets it started with a single. See you on second in a second.
UPDATE, 8:25 p.m.: Who needs Jeter? Ramiro Pena with an RBI double.
UPDATE, 8:26 p.m.: The Big Man delivers an RBI single. CC is loving life right now. He was dying to hit and today was his only chance.
UPDATE, 8:27 p.m.: The Bombers are getting to Mike Pelfrey. Five hits already. None particularly rocked, but they all count.
UPDATE, 8:31 p.m.: It’s the New York Mets in Breaking Training.
Holy cow, three errors in this inning. 4-0 Yankees and the rout is on.
UPDATE, 8:48 p.m.: If I didn’t think the Yankees would be careful with CC and take him out at a judicious time, I’d predict a no-hitter. This lineup is Wright, Sheff and and assorted bums.
UPDATE, 8:52 p.m.: Bet Derek feels better tomorrow.
UPDATE, 9:16 p.m.: So it seems like CC’s arm is OK.
UPDATE, 9:27 p.m.: So much for the no-hitter, the perfect game and the shutout. Now just win the game. That’ll do.
Man, old Sheff can still swing it.
UPDATE, 9:49 p.m.: Gritty, gutty and 3 for 4. Brett Gardner now hitting .293. And he just stole another base, 17 on the season. Most among rookies.
UPDATE, 9:54 p.m.: Delay here to fix up the mound for CC.
UPDATE, 10:16 p.m.: Think people will applaud sarcastically ever time Castillo catches a pop-up for the rest of his career? … Wasted opportunity there for the Yankees. Cervelli is 0 for 4? I thought he had to play every day because he was so much better than Posada?
UPDATE, 10:23 p.m.: Sabathia has been perfect in every inning but the fifth. He has retired the side in order in the other six innings. Terrific performance. Be interesting to see if Girardi pushes him one more inning.
UPDATE, 10:25 p.m.: CC hit, so he’s staying in. Joe Girardi is no doctor, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express in Queens. Hey, if your job was on the line, you’d keep him in, too.
UPDATE, 10:27 p.m.: Gritty! Gutty! 4 for 5 with a homer and two runs scored. Brett Gardner proving the doubters wrong.
Yankees 5-1.
UPDATE, 10:29 p.m.: Sam Borden called it as he sat next to me. Of course, that one was easy to call. Elmer Dessens? Yankees up by four runs? Ka-boom!
UPDATE, 10:34 p.m.: Here’s a question, do you leave CC in for another inning up 7-1?
UPDATE, 10:39 p.m.: That’s it for CC. Makes sense. Even Brett Tomko can be trusted with a 7-1 lead.
UPDATE, 10:52 p.m.: Brett Gardner again. RBI triple makes it 8-1. He is 24 of his last 62 (.387). … Yankees have 28 runs in their last three games. Joe Girardi is a genius. The ejection works again.
Kate Hudson in the house, I’m told. She might leave with Brett Gardner if Alex isn’t careful.
careful with the Igawa hate…if Hughes stays in the pen much longer Kei may be our 6th option as a pitcher…scary.
Casey Possum has asked for and given his release from Scranton. What an incredible loss that will be. Sadly, Tim Battle was released, also. That’s a pity, because he has a ton of talent, and overcame a lot to even get as far as he did. Best of luck to what could have been.
im hoping for a nice clean game hopefully one where bruney and mo arent needed..and the yanks win obviously
In reading the other thread, near the end I saw there was a discussion of Joba working on leg strength and getting in shape overall. I remember hearing Tom Seaver stress over and over (while a Yankee broadcaster) how important a pitcher’s legs are to him – that it was a huge benefit to have a strong trunk. This especially applies to power pitchers. Phil struggled quite a bit when he first came back from his injuries in 2007, very likely because he didn’t think he could trust his legs. This off-season, he worked out at some kind of special gym in California and it appears to have worked wonders. He’s a hard working kid anyway – remember last spring, he came to camp early – but he just looks bigger and stronger now. Of course, he’s got a perfect pitcher’s build at 6’5 – he’s big and strong naturally – but I’m sure he worked on his legs at that gym. That might account for his added velocity..or it could be the fact that he’s pitching consistently now (no injuries to stop him)…or it could be the fact that twenty-something pitchers usually add a few ticks. I’d like to think it’s not just being in the pen that’s the “culprit”, but then I think Phil’s stuff is very good even at 92-94.
Aceves has been a true golden find by the Yanks. He may very well be the team MVP for the first half of the season.
Let’s win this one.
Actually Alex is 4-for-8 with 6 RBI in the last games. He has eight RBI in the last four games.
Also, strong/severe T’storms are moving into the area. It could, uh, get interesting.
I’m really glad A-Rod is getting hot just so he shuts the idiots up (nobody in particular, but those saying his “career is over”). And when A-Rod is hot he becomes impossible to get out. An A-Rod hot streak is even more insane than a Tex hot streak.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
June 26th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
I’m really glad A-Rod is getting hot just so he shuts the idiots up (nobody in particular, but those saying his “career is over”). And when A-Rod is hot he becomes impossible to get out. An A-Rod hot streak is even more insane than a Tex hot streak.
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You aren’t kidding. April of 2007 was magical for A-Rod. I wouldn’t mind seeing July 2009 look like that
GI Joe sounds like he wants to make Yussssse the next SU man.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime
June 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Also, strong/severe T’storms are moving into the area. It could, uh, get interesting.
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Rebecca, are you trying to tell me I shouldn’t have dinner at the beach tonight?
Flu bug going around Yankee locker room.
jennifer
June 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Flu bug going around Yankee locker room.
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I swear, I did not give swine flu to any of the Yankees
(Just wanted to put that on the record)
lineup question from last nights game:
in the 7th inning matsui pinch hit for aceves and made an out – the yankees proceeded to bring up 8 more batters with brett gardner striking out with the bases loaded to end the inning – gardner was the #8 batter and the “pitcher” was up next. Matsui had pinch hit for the pitcher, as i’ve mentioned above, and made the first out. Had gardner gotten on base would matsui have been up again? or would the yankees been forced to send another batter to hit or even the pitcher who was going to be brought in to pitch at the bottom of the inning?
Bottom line – making the pitcher bat may be one of those dumb rules that made sense 80 years ago but is a total waste of time and effort today..
“Casey Possum has asked for and given his release from Scranton. What an incredible loss that will be.”
That’s too bad, Green Beret man.
Tell me, how’s Brett Marsupial been pitching for the River Dogs?
Meet the Mets, meet the Mets
Step right up and BEAT THE METS!
Girardi all but acknowledges Nady is done for the year on francessa
Sab –
If the spot came up again in the same inning, Matsui would have batted again
sab
I think Matsui would have batted again since he was not taken out of the game (for a pinch runner, or for a new pitcher) but I’m not sure.
Best comment re: flu comes from @mdubno:
“A-Rod might catch it, but Swish will chase it around for a bit before picking it up off the warning track”
Girardi says via WFAN that they will not carry three catchers when Molina is healthy. Boo. I like Cervelli.
That’s a shame about Nady.
Players wait their entire career for the chance at free agency. Nady has a career year, is poised for another good year on a good team, and his elbow blows up.
This game can be really, really cruel at times.
Is there a stat for greatest number of regional GENERATION-CRUSHING home runs as a percentage of total career home runs?
If so I nominate Bucky Dent.
And on that note, goodbye to Pittsburg, CA.
“Girardi says via WFAN that they will not carry three catchers when Molina is healthy. Boo. I like Cervelli.”
If Molina stays over him I swear …..
Nick in SF in Pittsburg
June 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Is there a stat for greatest number of regional GENERATION-CRUSHING home runs as a percentage of total career home runs?
If so I nominate Bucky Dent.
And on that note, goodbye to Pittsburg, CA.
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Have you ever been introduced to Mr. Aaron Boone?
Mr Boone, please say hi to Nick in SF in PittsburG now going back to SF
Hope Melky is well enough to play rf. They need Gardner in cf. Citi field is very spacious in the of.
Aceves is indeed an Ace. Really like that guy, He got an opportunity and is not taking it for granted. Definitely making the most of it.
Bullpen is that much stronger just because he’s in it.
Mo, Aceves, Coke Are probably only stable guys atm.
(Not counting Hughes cuz he’s a starter, this is temp for him)
Molina will stay and Cervelli will be sent down. Why? because he has options and Molina is a veteran.
Why wouldn’t Molina stay over Cervelli this year?
Same case with Pena in many ways. Guys like that are better playing everyday in AAA than sporadically in the majors.
Its pretty clear Cervelli has the lead in the clubhouse to be the backup catcher next year. That being the case, it will help him a lot to play the second half of the year everyday in Scranton.
Girardi just said (again, I think) that the Yankees won’t keep three catchers on the 25-man roster when Molina comes off the DL. So, obviously, Cervelli will be the odd man out.
Despite the fact that anything can happen in a short series, I would be very surprised if the Yankees do well in the postseason in any case as presently constructed. But if Posada is behind the plate five or so out of seven games, I would be absolutely shocked if they didn’t have another early exit.
Bummer about Nady. He would have given us a decent bat and some flexibility, especially with Swisher.
Curious to see if this makes the Yankees become a player for Mark DeRosa.
Aaron Boone didn’t crush a generation. That same generation got it’s comeuppance the next year.
But damn, that HR was utterly unbelievable.
repost – didn’t see new thread:
“Martinez had a 5 year period with the Expos and Boston that was superior to Koufax’s similarly short term of dominance.”
Pedro was amazing during that stretch of time but he didn’t throw that many innings over that stretch.
If you were to look at runs saved above average or runs saved above replacement rather than ERA+ Pedro’s seasons look much different.
Josh Kalk did a great analysis of this that I no longer available since he took all of his stuff off the internet.
But as recall when he looked at runs saved above average Pedro’s best season of all time was 9th best. Koufax had a few that were considerably better.
Looking at rate stats alone whether it’s ERA or FIP or whatever penalizes pitchers who have the skill of throwing more innings.
Dice-K had an era of 2.9 last year. Roy Halladay 2.78. The difference in their ERA’s doesn’t even remotely reflect their value given that Dice K could never work deep into games and Halladay nearly always did.
And every inning the starter throws is one less the nearly always less effective middle relief needs to.
Yes because they have never had success with Posada behind the plate in the post-season.
Makes sense to me.
I’m with you, Brandon. The team needs Cervelli on the roster and behind the plate in at least half or so of their games. Of course, if Posada winds up back on the DL — which, unfortunately, I don’t think is unlikely at all given his age and injury history this year and last — he will be.
I’ll explain why later, Erica – I’m driving now
“Its pretty clear Cervelli has the lead in the clubhouse to be the backup catcher next year. That being the case, it will help him a lot to play the second half of the year everyday in Scranton.”
And hey, he had his first ML home run in a pitcher’s park last night.
If Cervelli can develop some power he could be the Yanks’ future starter when Posada can no longer catch and Montero isn’t quite yet ready…
My vote goes to Satchel Paige. Favorite story:
Paige was playing a white all star team. Being a cocky SOB, Paigge claimed he didn’t even need a defense behind him. He told all his fielders to crowd around the mound. Then he struck outthe side in 9 pitches.
Freaking amazing.
With Cervelli, the goal should be what’s best for him in the long term.
Unfortunatley, since this team is so preoccupied with winning this year (as they are every year), player development sometimes takes a back seat…
Is Molina expected anytime soon? I thought he had a setback.
Half their games? WAY too much.
SJ44,
They haven’t had success with a Posada past the age of 32, much less in the year he turns 38. But don’t tell me — his World Series rings make him immune from aging.
Has any team with a primary catcher aged 38 or older ever won a World Series?
There is no way Cervelli becoomes the future starter, IMO.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
June 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Aaron Boone didn’t crush a generation. That same generation got it’s comeuppance the next year.
But damn, that HR was utterly unbelievable.
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I had momentarily forgot 2004 when I typed my answer. That HR left Boston with a winter of anguish and cost a manager his job.
Funny story-
That night at about 1am, I was tryng so hard to stay awake for the game and laying in my dad’s bed watching the game. I got up during the commercial break to go get water knowing Boone was up next and I would have some time before anything happened. As I am pouring the water, I heard my dad screaming and I missed the homerun.
Who’d have thought the first pitch of the inning would be so important?
No question you call up Molina and thank Cervelli for his contributions and send him to Scranton to play every day.
Posada backed up by Molina is the Yanks’ best bet, though I doubt they re-sign Jose’ after this season thus making Cervelli the backup for 2010.
I would think closing the door on a Nady return has to get the Yanks into discussions on DeRosa or some other utility OF or OF/IF type who can deliver some offense.
Is there anyone other than DeRosa that makes sense to anyone out there?
I love how the Yankees now “need” Francisco Cervelli.
They NEED Alex, Jeter, Tex, CC, and Mo.
They don’t NEED Cervelli to be a successful playoff team.
One of the problems with the entire Posada Pile On is its a sheep argument. People just flock to it and not bring any knowledge to the situation.
Every pitcher that struggles is Posada’s fault. If a pitcher struggles under Cervelli, its swept under the rug because it doesn’t fit their fancy of the day.
I think Cervelli has a chance to be a good ML player. However, Posada is already an above averge ML catcher. Cervelli is not.
Hence, the belief the Yankees “need” Cervelli on the roster makes little sense.
Jay-You’re kidding, right?
If Posada’s hurt by all means use wgo you have to. But if not it’s ridiculouss to use a hitter as good as Posada and replace him w/a hitter that can’t even be mentioned in the same breath as him becuase of very small defensive games and mythical pitch calling skills. And yes, they are mythical-Posada has been calling gmes his entire career and he’s had a pretty good one. Why would his game calling skills suddenly disappear now?
Uh, yeah, this could get interesting
http://www.weather.com/weather.....ayer=radar
“If Molina stays over him I swear …..”
Let’s play this out from a risk stratification stand point- which is how you should view back ups.
Keep two catchers with Cervelli as one of them then you have to DFA or trade Molina. He’s out of the system.
That leaves you with Posada and Cervelli as catcher’s 1 and 2 with Kevin Cash in the minors as catcher 3. Cash is awful and was not good in any way even for a backup catcher during his sting up in the bigs.
The problem with this alignment is that Posada could easily get hurt again.
And that leaves the team with no depth at catcher – Cervelli and Cash is not going to get you to the playoffs. Given position it’s possible that Cervelli would get hurt too. That’s what happenned earlier in the season when Posada and Molina went down.
Contrast that to what they’d have by sending Cervelli down. Posada and Molina and now with a tested and proven Cervellin in AAA ready to come up should either Posada or Molina get hurt.
There is much, much less risk and more certainty of getting production from the catcher’s spot by keeping Molina as the backup and Cervelli in AAA.
Erica-That moment was kind of fuzzy for me. A few years later I thought, “First pitch of the eleventh, right?”. So I looked it up on Wikipedia just to make sure I didn’t imagine it.
I’m pleasantly surprised that no one here, including Pete blamed Alex for either of those pop ups falling in!
yeah, the love for Cervelli is not misplaced because the guy has done his job very well, but the hate over Posada is definitely misplaced…and while his WS rings certainly help, his stong career defensively and great career offensively are what get him the pass.
You don’t need to get DeRosa. Infact they can even call up Colin Curtis and part time his bat and glove out there. DeRosa is not a need.
SJ44
June 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Yes because they have never had success with Posada behind the plate in the post-season.
Makes sense to me
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By that rationale Yanks should keep him in perpetuity… I think the point he was making is that Posada is now considerably older than he was when they won those WS. Don’t catchers age a bit faster than the average 1B?
Cervelli’s too young imo to wipe him off as a future starter. If not on the Yankees than certainly somewhere else.
There’s no comparison with Posada, however. One’s a borderline HoF candidate, and the other’s a rookie that started the season at AA.
86w: I like the idea of DeRosa, but Shapiro isn’t an idiot and I wonder how much it would cost…
That’s a strawman argument.
If it was just an age thing to win World Series, you would just field a team of 19 year olds and that should be enough to win.
Do you really believe its Jorge Posada’s fault they haven’t won the World Series since 2000? You can’t be serious.
I’ll tell ya one thing, they didn’t make the playoffs last year in large part because they DIDN’T have Jorge Posada.
In fact, you can’t lay ANY of the post-season problems on Jorge Posada.
Unless you want to blame him for Tom Gordon throwing up in the bullpen because he was too nervous to pitch, Javy Vasquez couldn’t handle NY, Kevin Brown punched a wall with his pitching hand, and Joe Torre decided to sit on his butt and let the midges take over Joba Chamberlain and the game in Cleveland.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
“Jay-You’re kidding, right?
If Posada’s hurt by all means use wgo you have to. But if not it’s ridiculouss to use a hitter as good as Posada and replace him w/a hitter that can’t even be mentioned in the same breath as him becuase of very small defensive games and mythical pitch calling skills. And yes, they are mythical-Posada has been calling gmes his entire career and he’s had a pretty good one. Why would his game calling skills suddenly disappear now?”
Wait till,
I wish I were kidding. I believe that the last time the Yankees won a post season series was when Posada was 33 years old.
Why would Posada’s game calling skills suddenly disappear now?
Please show me a catcher this side of Carlton Fisk and Varitek whose catching skills have NOT eroded by the age of 38? Even our beloved Yogi….
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
June 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Erica-That moment was kind of fuzzy for me. A few years later I thought, “First pitch of the eleventh, right?”. So I looked it up on Wikipedia just to make sure I didn’t imagine it.
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I think it was around 1:30am. I was so excited after that I didn’t fall asleep until almost 3. Then I had to be on a train to the city by 6:30 the next morning. I still remember holding my massive cup of coffee and walking thru Midtown with a massive smile, not caring one bit how tired I was.
Lineup is taking longer then usual.
Cardinals land Mateo:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....mateo.html
just posted Girardi was on WFAN and said he wanted to talk to everyone and I guess when he was there not eveyrone was there
Jay-Um, I didn’t say catching skills. I said pitch calling skills.
You do realize that Posada is having a fine season both offensively and defensively, far, FAR superior to Cervelli’s season, right?
By your logic we should use Cervelli because he’s younger, despite his statistics not even being in the same stratosphere as Posada’s.
Trevor I was talking about the lineup that is
That’s what the Yankees need…a really dramatic HR to knock the Sox out of the playoffs, be it regular season or postseason.
I’m just thinking what really is the need for DeRosa the OF ? is this just to spell Swisher and Damon ? he’s not cracking time from the infield. You over trade for him, you realize this is the #7 or 8 hitter we are talking about ? com’on this is not need.
According to Feinsand
une 26 vs Mets: Jeter SS, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, A-Rod 3B, Cano 2B, Cabrera RF, Gardner CF, Cervelli C, Sabathia LHP
Prediction: The Yankees will not win another World Series with Posada as their primary catcher — period.
Trevor
June 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Lineup is taking longer then usual.
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Maybe they are evaluating Cano’s wrist and who doesn’t have the flu??
Note: Brian Cashman, I am available to start tonight if needed
Cervelli catching two in a row?
i like cervelli and think he has a chance to be a good catcher.. but lwt’s put things into persepctive his OBP is like 320..
people are just sheep SJ$$, cervelli is the flavor of the month.. last year hughes was a bust, now he may be a star!!
arod was wash up per espn yesterday, that is a total joke and anyone who wrote that should be ashamed of themselves…today arod is back… they play 162 not 16 for a reason
“But don’t tell me — his World Series rings make him immune from aging.”
No. But his current .867 OPS, .377 wOBA along with his 35% caught stealing rate would make it ridiculous not to play him every inning he can possibly tolerate at catcher.
His age has nothing to do with his present performance. And so far this season he’s performing at an all star level.
Not playing a guy who is currently performing at all star levels just because he happens to be 37 makes no sense.
Today’s lineup
Jeter SS, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, A-Rod 3B, Cano 2B, Cabrera RF, Gardner CF, Cervelli C, Sabathia LHP
Wonder if Swish and Posada caught that flu…
How exactly is Posada “going”? Really, that’s what I want to know.
His bat is still strong. He’s throwing out over 30% of baserunners, above the league average, and is still among the Top 5 catchers in the game.
That’s not being “shot”.
The pitchcalling stuff? I’m sorry but, there isn’t a single person on this blog who whines about his pitchcalling I believe has any idea of what they are talking about.
They come at with two simple, but incorrect, premises:
Catchers ERA, a non-stat to baseball people.
The belief that every time a pitcher struggles, its Posada’s fault. Comical really but, that’s their essential point.
Do I believe Posada is a “catcher for life” here? Of course not.
But, I do believe that he is a much better alternative than anybody they have right now and its pretty hard to argue otherwise, given his all around game.
Brandon,
Seriously, you are way too prospect happy.
Colin Curtis is not even close to being as good a player as Mark DeRosa.
I don’t know if they can get DeRosa. However, if they can, and the price is workable, he is a much better option than Colin Curtis for this roster.
Jay-Prediction: The Yanks will not win another WS with Cervelli taking hallf the time at cather: Period.
I say this because if we can’t win w/Posada, it’s practically impossible to win w/Cervelli, whose numbers are not even close to Posada’s.
girardi on the fat boy show said flu going thru the team and jorge would only play 2 games this weekend probably…
Rishi Posada caught last night
Rishi-Unless I’m mistaken Posada caught yesterday.
Girardi said he need to take everyones temperature to see who had flu symptoms. He thought Jeter and Cano may have been coming down with something.
Said Posada would catch 2 out of 3 this weekend.
“Has any team with a primary catcher aged 38 or older ever won a World Series?”
Had any team ever won a world series with a starting pitcher older than 44 before last year?
I don’t think Posada has the flu. he played last night. Probably because it was such a long hot game he’s not catching tonight.
Wow my post is full of typos. Please disregard them.
Funny that Jeter may be sick because he had a terrific game yesterday.
oh gayle – mb…i was watching on the cell
Completely off the subject, Andrew Brackman had another lousy outing last night.
We should start Pena at short, only one team has won w/a shortstop as old as Jeter, and that was in a different era.
If they don’t win another World Series, it won’t be because of Posada.
You lose PHYSICAL skills as you age. You don’t lose the ability to call games. That’s a MENTAL skill that does not diminish with age.
Talk to Yogi Berra sometime. He’s 83 and can still call a game if you give him the scouting report and 10 minutes with a starting pitcher.
He can’t physically do it but, given the proper information, it doesn’t affect his pitch calling skills.
So far, and CB has the numbers to back it up, Posada’s physical skills haven’t eroded. Quite the contrary, he’s had a good year so far.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
You said:
“Jay-Um, I didn’t say catching skills. I said pitch calling skills.
You do realize that Posada is having a fine season both offensively and defensively, far, FAR superior to Cervelli’s season, right?
By your logic we should use Cervelli because he’s younger, despite his statistics not even being in the same stratosphere as Posada’s.”
Posada’s been absolutely awesome with his bat throughout his career. This year, he’s been incredible with men on base and in late inning high pressure situations. I’d love to see him DH most days. His bat should be in the lineup every day that it doesn’t keep him from getting enough rest to perform. Cervelli can’t hold his jock strap with a bat.
But I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Yankees’ pitchers have given up so many runs with Posada behind the plate. And despite the fact that he’s done a mostly very good job his last handful of games, I think that trend will continue unless he finds a fountain of youth.
Despite Posada’s big bat and Cervelli’s puny one, the team’s record with Posada behind the plate this year has been way worse than it has been with Cervelli there. And all I can figure is that it’s because other teams score 1-1/2 or more runs more on average with Posada there than they do with Cervelli there.
Keep Posada’s big bat in the lineup every possible day, but not as catcher — please.
And by the way, I’m not convinced that Molina — who I think has been one of the game’s best defensive catchers — hasn’t very recently begun to show his age, too.
“Catchers ERA, a non-stat to baseball people.”
It’s a non-stat to statistics people.
That’s one of the remarkable things. Statistics people have opined how stupid catcher’s era is yet people who know little about statistics keep using it as statistical “evidence.”
There’s no disagreement about this and recently dozens and dozens of article have been written about this.
People who work with baseball statistics think catcher’s era is a worthless statistic.
time to end God Bless America during the 7th inning and replace it with a different Jacko song each night.
Michael Jackson > God Bless America
time to end God Bless America during the 7th inning and replace it with a different Jacko song each night.
Michael Jackson > God Bless America
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
June 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Funny that Jeter may be sick because he had a terrific game yesterday.
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Everyone noticed he was coughing. When I got swine flu, I was coughing the night before I woke up with the fever and I had no idea why. I then continued to cough for about 12 days. Good times.
I only had the fever for 6 days though
no team had managed to win after being down 0-3 until 2004…history might not always be the best guide for the present
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
June 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Jay-Prediction: The Yanks will not win another WS with Cervelli taking hallf the time at cather: Period.
I say this because if we can’t win w/Posada, it’s practically impossible to win w/Cervelli, whose numbers are not even close to Posada’s.
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This post reminds me of the infamous Yankee memo that said there was no way the Yankees could ever win the World Series in 1996 with Jeter as the shortstop
This Posada argument is so worn out and silly at this point. The fact of the matter is, unless the Yankees can get Joe Mauer or Brian McCann, Jorge Posada gives them the best chance to win. Anyone that claims otherwise is simply wrong and doesn’t know what they are talking about.
This isn’t my opinion, this is fact and if you think otherwise you are wrong.
I was responding to (lots of traffic in the last min or so):
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
June 26th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
We should start Pena at short, only one team has won w/a shortstop as old as Jeter, and that was in a different era.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
You said:
“Wow my post is full of typos. Please disregard them.”
I didn’t notice a singel won.
Jay so you’re trying to convince me that because pitchers do lousy when they pitch to Posada, that’s his fault, despite calling games for some great pitching staffs and championship teams? Somehow he lost that ability overnight?
You’re also trying to convince me that it’s worth the EXTREMElY minimal defensive gain Cervelli gives to get a bat like Matsui out of the lineup for someone who will more likely then not end the year as an offensive liability and even right now is BARELY an asset?
I don’t believe it.
“Completely off the subject, Andrew Brackman had another lousy outing last night.”
He hasn’t pitched well in a while. It very well could be a very long process with him.
Let’s hope for non-linear gains.
But both he and betances look to progress very slowly.
man can espn mask there love for boston!!!bill simmons on 142 XM friday with the bs reprot. can he hate the yanks and love all things new england anymore???
SJ$$ to the bloggers jeters, posadas, bernie williams grow on trees every team has many of them.
the mets have had like 4 good 3B in 30 years they think david wrights are dime a dozen….like chicago bears and QB’s..
bernie williams was slightly below HOF, jorge the same, Jeter is HOF….there are about 300 guys in the HOF…
Brackman is the closer of the future.
Erica-Jeter had great stats in the minors number one. Cervelli had awful ones.
Also I don’t really believe that (Who knows how Cisco will do?), I was using that logic to make a point how silly it was that we couldn’t win a WS with Posada.
Jay
June 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
“Jay-You’re kidding, right?
If Posada’s hurt by all means use wgo you have to. But if not it’s ridiculouss to use a hitter as good as Posada and replace him w/a hitter that can’t even be mentioned in the same breath as him becuase of very small defensive games and mythical pitch calling skills. And yes, they are mythical-Posada has been calling gmes his entire career and he’s had a pretty good one. Why would his game calling skills suddenly disappear now?”
Wait till,
I wish I were kidding. I believe that the last time the Yankees won a post season series was when Posada was 33 years old.
Why would Posada’s game calling skills suddenly disappear now?
Please show me a catcher this side of Carlton Fisk and Varitek whose catching skills have NOT eroded by the age of 38? Even our beloved Yogi….
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exactly what great catching skills does Varitek now possess? His throwing ability at 19% of catching base stealers? The best he’s ever had was 28%. His incredible endurance? He’s only started 130 games as a catcher one time. Can’t make throwing errors if you don’t throw.
Rishi-It’s totally ridiculous, I know, I was using it to make a point about how silly it is to start an inferior player because of “baseball history”.
“I don’t know if they can get DeRosa. However, if they can, and the price is workable, he is a much better option than Colin Curtis for this roster.”
The only reason I’d give Curtis a chance is b/c he’s young and has some XBH pop, sometimes the kids can get a shot you know ? I’m not even looking at DeRosa b/c he’s a rental going to the highest bidder, we always do this.
Heh.
Ponson tested positive for stimulants at the WBC.
“Brett Gardner is 19 of 56 (.339) over his last 26 games with a .422 OBP”
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Even better, he’s batting .342 with a .432 OBP over his last 34 games, since May 13.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
June 26th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Erica-Jeter had great stats in the minors number one. Cervelli had awful ones.
Also I don’t really believe that (Who knows how Cisco will do?), I was using that logic to make a point how silly it was that we couldn’t win a WS with Posada.
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I wasn’t arguing. I just think it had a very similar ring to it. Lets see how the rest of the season plays out with the Cisco Kid, whether he is in the big leagues or minor and then start evaluating his future successes
Rebecca–Optimist Prime
June 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Heh.
Ponson tested positive for stimulants at the WBC.
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Hahaha. Maybe he was trying to get pregnant like Manny
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
You said:
“We should start Pena at short, only one team has won w/a shortstop as old as Jeter, and that was in a different era.”
I do have concerns about Jeter at short — although he seems to have terrible years defensively followed by OK ones. And this year, he seems to be slightly above average — probably due to the conditioning program he undertook in the off season. And Texeira has been masterful at catching his bad throws — of which there do seem to have been fewer this year.
But for whatever it might be worth, frankly, I don’t think we will win another World Series title with Jeter at short either — although we might eventually win our first one with him as Captain if he plays another position.
Jay-If you think we shouldn’t play Pena instead of Jeter at short I have nothing I can say to convince you.
How is it that the best game Joba ever pitched as a starter came with Posada catching?
How is it that Andy Pettitte has won over 150 games in his career with Posada behind the plate?
AJ’s last start, arguably his best one since the near no hitter against Tampa (also a game Posada caught) came with Posada behind the plate?
The more folks opine that Posada’s gamecalling skills are a product of age, the more they show how little they know about the subject.
You just don’t lose the “skill” of calling games.
If Francisco Cervelli caught last night, Andy Pettitte still would have struggled.
Unless of course you believe Cervelli would have willed pop ups to be caught and would have Andy stop throwing 0-2 pitches to the middle of the plate. Despite the fact that the target set by Posada was nowhere near the middle of the plate.
Patrick,
You said:
“This Posada argument is so worn out and silly at this point. The fact of the matter is, unless the Yankees can get Joe Mauer or Brian McCann, Jorge Posada gives them the best chance to win. Anyone that claims otherwise is simply wrong and doesn’t know what they are talking about.
This isn’t my opinion, this is fact and if you think otherwise you are wrong.”
Very compelling argument, Patrick. You’re right and anybody who disagrees with you is being silly and doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Got it.
Colin Curtis is a joke. Some of you have no clue what you speak of. You should pipe down.
Ponson has to be one of the all time greatest screw-ups…I hated the days he was a Yankee
I didn’t hate Ponson.
Brandon,
Young isn’t always better. More often, especially in pennant races, its a detriment. DeRosa has more power than Curtis.
In addition, Curtis is a LH hitter. The Yankees don’t need another LH hitter. They need a RH hitter with gap power.
That’s their biggest need now that Nady is done for the year.
“Very compelling argument, Patrick. You’re right and anybody who disagrees with you is being silly and doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Got it. ”
In this case, yes.
I usually qualify all my arguments but in this case if you don’t agree, you are wrong plain and simple.
I’m glad you finally understand, I can stop talking about Posada.
GreenBeret7,
You said:
“[E]xactly what great catching skills does Varitek now possess? His throwing ability at 19% of catching base stealers? The best he’s ever had was 28%. His incredible endurance? He’s only started 130 games as a catcher one time. Can’t make throwing errors if you don’t throw.”
There’s more to being a great catcher than % of base steal attempts thrown out. The one I care about most — and the one that some folks around here think is irrelevant — is how the pitchers perform with that catcher behind the plate, cERA, because it’s an all-in stat.
actually Pena instead of Jeter is almost the same situation as Cervelli instead of Posada…I never thought of that…
I’ll say it again, the love for Cervelli is not misplaced as he has performed his job beyond most expectations, but that love should not and does not have to be at the expense of Posada, who by all measurements is a better player. The great thing about Cervelli’s performance is that the Yankees can feel comfortable with having a major league ready backup catcher for next season.
Hokiehill
June 26th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Ponson has to be one of the all time greatest screw-ups…I hated the days he was a Yankee
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General rule of thumb-
If Milton Bradley says you have issues (like he said about Ponson). You must be one messed up individual.
Can you name a bigger example of the pot calling the kettle black?
I didn’t say I hated Ponson…I just hated him being a Yankee…of course that was a pretty aweful season and I would admit to disliking Ponson.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
You said:
“Jay-If you think we shouldn’t play Pena instead of Jeter at short I have nothing I can say to convince you.”
I have no problem with agreeing to disagree. Like I say, I hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
Jay-cERA is a joke of a stat. Any staticican will tell you that if you ask.
Don’t believe me? Go on Steve Goldman’s pinstriped bible and ask him specifically.
Baseball Prospectus did a study. They concluded that game calling skills are a complete myth and that any difference in game calling skills is extremely miniscule to the point it doesn’t matter.
Jay here’s the thing.
People such as myself, SJ44, CB and dozens of others have thrown out so much evidence PROVING beyond a reasonable doubt that Posada gives us the best chance to win.
People like you on the other hand simply ignore that evidence and continue believing whatever it is you believe.
At this point the only effective argument is to say we are right (because we are) and you are wrong and leave it at that.
Count me among those wondering if Brackman will end up being a very expensive and strange gamble. Millions of dollars for a college pitcher facing major arm surgery was strange when it happened and the returns are not encouraging.
Colin Curtis hit .268 with 1 HR at Trenton and he’s a better player than Mark DeRosa who is hitting .270 with 13 HR in Cleveland? I don’t think so.
During mike’d up Joe Girardi said he doesn’t think Nady is coming back anytime soon, and is seeing the doctors next week. Sweeney Murti than said he heard Nady is done for the year. Well best of luck to Nady, because his days in pinstripes are probably over.
As long as Brackman gets through the season healthy and gets his innings, he’ll be fine. He’s also pitched more than a few games that he and the defense were his worst enemy. He’s had a lot of wild pitches and throwing errors that have hurt.
Betances, has had some injury issues and is a candidate for ligament replacement within a year. He has had a few good games, but, he’s not right.
Mitchell has been up and down, but, they should never have been promoted to Tampa this soon, anyway. Same thing with De La Rosa. They don’t have enough experience to be pushed that far, that fast.
With the very large exception of Jay and a few other anti-Posada goobers, it was a great day here at Pete Abe with everyone bringing something to the table. Congrats and enjoy the game!
Those who argue that the Yankees are a better team with Cervelli catching instead of Posada are making it very difficult for us to stay within Pete’s civility guidelines.
But I’m doing my best $#%^&@#$@#^!!!
If all you are looking at is catchers ERA to evaluate Poaada, you have no idea what you are talking about.
You are taking a bogus stat, one that no team in baseball uses to evaluate its catchers, and you want the Yankees to change catchers based on that stat.
Sorry, its one thing to have opinions. Everybody has opinions. However, they have to be based on some facts.
CERA’s isn’t a “fact”. If it was, teams would use it to evaluate their catchers.
“Colin Curtis hit .268 with 1 HR at Trenton and he’s a better player than Mark DeRosa who is hitting .270 with 13 HR in Cleveland? I don’t think so.”
Who the hell is saying he’s better, he’s an internal option that doesn’t cost a damn thing, I’m hoping he continues getting those XBH per game in AAA so they can atleast give him a shot. DeRosa 1 yr. sacrifice young arms like Melancon or Zach McAllister or De La Rosa or Dunn..No thanks.
Thunder rumbling and rain falling in Westchester Cty.
Yanks record with Cisco behind the plate this month is 2 and 4. Such superior game calling skills.
Patrick-
This blog is like the movie 50 First Dates. No matter how many times you have an argument, there’s always someone new to it so you start out fresh each time. Very frustrating.
I would like to see Cervelli stay with the big team when Molina returns. In a limited role, Cervelli has proven to be very good behind the plate and he can hold his own with the bat.
He also adds youth and excitement to a team filled with older veterans.
Cervelli can play in one out of every three or four games and not hurt the team and not hurt his development. In fact, it might benefit Posada and the team to catch less and DH more.
If Cervelli were batting .212 and playing without much enthusiasm, it would seem like any easy decision. Since he is batting .290 with some very timely hits, you can make a case for keeping him over Molina.
I agree that Posada is the better catcher, but instead of saying one side is right and the other is wrong to end an argument, you could just say, agree to disagree…
and the echo in me says, there’s nothing wrong with liking Cervelli
SJ44,
You said:
“How is it that the best game Joba ever pitched as a starter came with Posada catching?
How is it that Andy Pettitte has won over 150 games in his career with Posada behind the plate?
AJ’s last start, arguably his best one since the near no hitter against Tampa (also a game Posada caught) came with Posada behind the plate?”
Based on Yankee pitchers’ performance, Posada has been great in all but one of the last handful of games he’s been behind the plate — far better than anybody could sustain. And I hope he keeps it up.
And I think Pettitte has pitched better with Posada behind the plate this year than he has with Cervelli or Molina.
But otherwise, overall, Yankee pitchers have been 1-1/2 to 2 runs per game worse with Posada behind the plate this year than they have with other catchers there. And they were worse — although not nearly that much worse — last year, too.
It seems obvious to me that catching is a brutal job — and a young man’s game. That’s why there have been so few successful teams with primary catchers who are 38-years old or older. It’s not Posada’s fault. He can’t help it that he’s going to turn 38 shortly any more than he can help it that he can’t control his emotions or has lousy judgement in terms of pitch selection, etc.
However, it is Girardi’s fault if he doesn’t recognize those things and do something about it by catching Posada less often and keeping his bat in the lineup as much as possible at DH when he’s not catching. I don’t care what they do with Matsui. Posada is vastly superior to Matsui at this point with his bat.
We need t bring up Shelly Duncan
The guy can mas lefties, versatile, and is great in the clubhouse. Another big bat off the bench in the late innings
No reason he shouldn’t be up here
I think we should trade Posada for Nieves. Being that his reputation is of one of the best clubhouse guys. I can see pitchers throwing in games with more of a smile and more smacks in the rear after each inning.
Is Nady out for the season?
Whats anyones take on going after Ichiro? Great bat, speed, excellent arm and we can have him in center if needed for a few years. We wont have to break the bank on a left fielder come next year.
GB,
I’ve noticed this year that teams are aggressively promoting players through their systems. More than I’ve ever seen it.
The Pirates for example just promoted Pedro Alvarez and several other guys to AA, even though some of them (especially Pedro) didn’t exactly light up Full Season A Ball.
The Yankees have also aggressively promoted some guys this year.
It worked a couple of years ago with Austin Jackson. I thnk they have had mixed results with Mitchell.
My take is, teams are deciding how many innings (if he is a pitcher) and how many AB’s (if they are a hitter) players need and say, “we might as well push the envelope and see if we can fast track them”.
All around the game, guys are being fast tracked more than I remember seeing in my time around the game.
I think a lot of it is justifying the money they are paying these kids in the draft to ownership.
I think the jury is out as to whether or not its in the players best development interests.
He strikes out more times than not vs non fastballs, Duncan should be trade bait and nothing else.
Patrick,
At this point the only effective argument is to say we are right (because we are) and you are wrong and leave it at that.
At least we agree on something..
Game should start around 10:00 PM or so
weather is very ominous until then.
“Whats anyones take on going after Ichiro? Great bat, speed, excellent arm and we can have him in center if needed for a few years. We wont have to break the bank on a left fielder come next year.”
What are you trading ?
SJ44,
You said:
“If all you are looking at is catchers ERA to evaluate Poaada, you have no idea what you are talking about.
You are taking a bogus stat, one that no team in baseball uses to evaluate its catchers, and you want the Yankees to change catchers based on that stat.
Sorry, its one thing to have opinions. Everybody has opinions. However, they have to be based on some facts.
CERA’s isn’t a “fact”. If it was, teams would use it to evaluate their catchers.”
SJ44,
I think some teams do use it. Do you really think Varitek is behind the plate on the Red Sox because he’s got the most potent bat of any catcher they can find? They believe he handles the staff brilliantly.
So the team that’s been spanking the Yankees regularly in recent years and subjected them to the worst choke in the history of professional sports — coming back from 0-3 in a 7-game series — DOES use it.
But don’t let that stop you from ignoring it. There are plenty of Red Sox fans and other Yankee haters who like the status quo just as much as you do or more.
Is Nady having Tommy John surgery?
My 2 cents from prior posts:
Mark DeRosa would be a good pickup because of his versatility and because he comes off the books at the end of the season. However, there are many teams that will be interested.
I’ve seen Koufax and Marinez pitch. No contest. In their primes Koufax wins.
Gardner was playing too deep at Turner field to get to those pop-ups, even with his speed.
McCann is a good offensive catcher, but I wasn’t impressed with his arm.
Robertson has a good curveball but his fastball has no movement and is hittable at 90-91 mph. We need two more arms in the bullpen that can be reliable. If we trade talent I’d rather it go for the bullpen than DeRosa.
There is absolutely no reason, none, tha Posada would have suddenly lost the ability to call games.
cERA is a nonstat. It doesn’t matter.
If I asked Yogi to call a game, he could.
If I took a course of basic catching from Yogi, I bet you I could call a good game. It’s not rocket science.
SOS – would love ichiro in the Of – the problem is do you want to pay him i believe in the neighborhood of 17 million per year for the next 4 – 5 years?
http://sports.espn.go.com/chic.....id=4290259
1 time Lou?
I think Cody Ransom is going to eventually surprise people with his bat. I have no idea whether he’ll still be with the Yankees when he does. But I really think he’s going to be a very pleasant surprise for some team at some point soon.
“The guy can mas lefties, versatile, and is great in the clubhouse.”
I know I’m going to be sorry I asked but…..
exactly what versatility does Duncan have?
Trade Nady to the Giants before he gets his 2nd TJ surgery!!
UPDATE, 4;54 p.m.: No test on Nady today, but he is heading back to see Dr. Yocum in California. It sounds bad.
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Jay,
He’s 33 years old. I think at this stage what we see is what were going to get with Cody Ransom.
Jay, so you think:
1. Codey Ransom will become a very good hitter
2. Cervelli should catch instead of Posada
3. Pena should be the starting SS and Jeter should be moved
More power to you.
I too saw both Koufax and Martinez in their primes. Koufax was not only better than Martinez, he was better than any single pitching performance I’ve ever seen in person. A privilege to have those memories of him during his greatest years and my earliest ones as a fan able to appreciate what I was seeing.
Is he going to break out all of a sudden when he turns 35??
According to doppler, this storm isn’t even above Queens or LI. Can anybody confirm that?
“I know I’m going to be sorry I asked but…..
exactly what versatility does Duncan have?”
The hard celeration bumps that send you to the ICU
Girardi said Nady took himself out of the game, will be at the ballpark tomorrow to see the team but will be heading of to see Dr. Yoakum (sp?) next week. Girardi saif he wants to be optimistic but after speaking with Nady today, he isn’t.
GB7,
I was always leary of the Brackman pick. I feel like they went more on what his potential might be rather than any track record he had. Wasnt his era somewhere like 3.7 when he got drafted? I know he was injured but i dont know if he ever had a dominating year in college. Would they have taken the risk if it wasnt that he was 8 feet tall and the team thought they had Randy 2.0? Have you seen him pitch? What can you see that makes us think he still can become a 1 or a 2 as they projected?
“I’ve noticed this year that teams are aggressively promoting players through their systems. More than I’ve ever seen it.”
Much of it probably has to do with the economy and that the poor teams have drafted early and these players might be ready to play.
Jay,
No team uses CERA to evaluate their catchers. Not a single one.
The Red Sox brought Varitek back for one year because their deal for Miguel Montero fell through and for 5 million, he was a bargain.
If they made the deal for Montero, he wouldn’t be back with the Red Sox.
They certainly didn’t make the decision to bring him back based on CERA.
Having just gone through the draft process with a catcher, I can tell you not a single team brought up CERA, told us they used it, or have any intention of using it.
In fact, teams I asked about it laughed and said, “its useless”.
Brandon
The only versatility I see is he swings hard or really hard.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
“There is absolutely no reason, none, tha Posada would have suddenly lost the ability to call games.
cERA is a nonstat. It doesn’t matter.
If I asked Yogi to call a game, he could.
If I took a course of basic catching from Yogi, I bet you I could call a good game. It’s not rocket science.”
Wait till,
Posada turns 38 shortly. If what you say is true, would you please provide me with a list of catchers who have been the primary catcher on successful teams at age 38 or later?
I’m not saying they don’t exist. I just don’t know of any.
And BaseballReference.com provides a list of players who they say are comparable to the players whose stats they list. When I went through the list for the players who they say are comparable to Posada and look at what they did at age 38 and later, it’s very ugly. Please take a look and tell me what I’m missing — seriously. If I’m missing something, I really want to know.
Here’s the link:
http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml
Similar Batters, Similar Batters through [age] 36, and Most Similar by Ages are near the bottom of the page.
Quickly skimming another thread I thought I saw something about SNY broadcasters being better than YES ones. Hard to believe anyone could say that other than a drooling Mets fan. The last time I heard them I was struck by their dejected, almost tearful-sounding voices when the Mets let them down. Seriously I thought that if I could have been looking at them at that moment I would have seen their eyes brimming over. Maybe that kind of broadcasting has its appeal for some, but it sounded like amateur hour to me.
I couldn’t agree more on DeRosa. First off, he could split time at least with Swisher in Right Field. That would be an upgrade off the bat. You could also play him in left when Damon needs a blow, and at Third and Second when Arod and Cano need days off. He could even play first that one time a month that Teixeira is supposed to DH. He would just give the Yankees much more depth and versatility. He is a quality (not great, but solid) player, and he hits right-handed, also a plus. I do understand that many other teams are interested in him, and it will take a good offer to get him. What players would you be willing to give up?
There is no way in hell the Red Sox use such a dumb stat as cERA to evaluate their players. They, if anyone, probably had Bill James and a bunch of nerds design their own stat, one that actually factors in things that matter
It’s now POURING with crackling thunder and lightning in Westchester Cty.
SJ44
June 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
GB,
I’ve noticed this year that teams are aggressively promoting players through their systems. More than I’ve ever seen it.
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I can see them moving some of the kids fast, but, Mitchell and De La Rosa really don’t make much sense, in my opinion, unless they are setting up for a mid-season trade. Nova and Noesi have been pleasant surprises, but, Mitchell and De La Rosa just don’t have the experience and a year at the lower designations would have seemed best for them.
I really like what Wynegar has done with Jackson this year. He’s walking a little more (not a lot) and striking out a little less. Telling him to forget about the power was a good idea. From my estimations, his hits have been pretty well split between left, center and right. That’s why I can’t wait until Montero, Laird and Romine get with him….especially the catchers.
SOS – would love ichiro in the Of – the problem is do you want to pay him i believe in the neighborhood of 17 million per year for the next 4 – 5 years?
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sab,
I was thinking of an Arod type of deal where they eat some of his salary.
Brandon, i will ask you the same question being that you are more familiar with what we have in the minors. Assuming you like the idea. I would think we could ship them out some young pitching prospect. One thing we have an abundance of. Again it would probably save us from going nuts next year on some average out fielder due to supply and demand. Thoughts?
Whether or not Duncan has flexibility is beside the point.
Either Duncan or John Rodriguez would be more useful than the second of either Pena or Ransom.
We need an extra pinch hitter more than we need an extra back-up infielder.
“”EQ10
June 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I couldn’t agree more on DeRosa. First off, he could split time at least with Swisher in Right Field. That would be an upgrade off the bat. You could also play him in left when Damon needs a blow, and at Third and Second when Arod and Cano need days off. He could even play first that one time a month that Teixeira is supposed to DH. He would just give the Yankees much more depth and versatility. He is a quality (not great, but solid) player, and he hits right-handed, also a plus. I do understand that many other teams are interested in him, and it will take a good offer to get him. What players would you be willing to give up?”
Nothing good, that’s just ridiculous to over trade for a UTY man in his 30′s
If anything, varitek’s late signing would have you believe that CERA doesn’t mean crap. The red sox tried their damnest to get a better replacement. When his price fell, they finally caved in.
Joey’s Poodle
June 26th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
“I too saw both Koufax and Martinez in their primes. Koufax was not only better than Martinez, he was better than any single pitching performance I’ve ever seen in person. A privilege to have those memories of him during his greatest years and my earliest ones as a fan able to appreciate what I was seeing.”
I was late to a game in Pittsburgh, arriving in the 2nd inning and watched Koufax, who had given up ? 2 hits in the 1st, no-hit the Pirates from then on. In fact during his era, Bob Gibson, Juan Marichal, Fergie Jenkins, to name a few, IMO were all better than Pedro Martinez.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
You said:
“Jay, so you think:
1. Codey Ransom will become a very good hitter
2. Cervelli should catch instead of Posada
3. Pena should be the starting SS and Jeter should be moved
More power to you.”
I never said #1 or #3. I said that I thought Cody Ransom will be a pleasant surprise with his bat at some point and that I, like many people, am concerned about Jeter’s defensive abilities at shortstop, not that I thought Pena should be our starting shortstop.
I do think the Yankees would (continue to) win more games with Cervelli behind the plate than with Posada. And by the way, in most of the games that the Yankees have won with Cervelli behind the plate, they did it despite the fact that they didn’t have Posada’s bat in the lineup at DH. And again, I think he would be an enormous asset at DH.
“I think some teams do use it.”
No team uses “cERA.” It’s not a stat. It’s a joke.
Let’s put it this way – baseball sabermatricians think it is utterly useless.
Here a great article on the subject written by a baseball statistician:
“Don’t use Catcher’s ERA. It’s useless. We know this from studies in the past, not just from anecdotal comparisons.”
If you read this article and it doesn’t convince you that “cERA” is meaningless then you are implicitly saying that you understand more about statistics than a statistician does. So I hope you have extensive experience in statistics to back up that claim.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....stop-using
“We need an extra pinch hitter more than we need an extra back-up infielder.”
Could be. But if your back-up infielder isn’t starting that day, how many of the regulars are you really going to be pinch hitting for?
I am very excited about seeing CC hit tonight
There’s no reason to give up anything for DeRosa if all you are going to do is take Swisher’s AB’s away.
If you use DeRosa as a real utility player to spell everyone a little, particularly ARod and Damon, then he’s worth something. I’d trade just about any pitcher in the minor league system to rent him for the rest of the year if that’s how the Yanks would use him.
“Brandon, i will ask you the same question being that you are more familiar with what we have in the minors. Assuming you like the idea. I would think we could ship them out some young pitching prospect. One thing we have an abundance of. Again it would probably save us from going nuts next year on some average out fielder due to supply and demand. Thoughts?”
SoS, the first name SEA wants is Hughes then Jackson then Jesus. That’s a star player, they’re going to want something to build around.
I’m certainly not saying that you trade A level prospects for Derosa, and if thats what it takes to get him, then forget it. I’m saying that the Yankees have plenty of arms in their system who are interchangeable, and they are going to have 40 man roster problems in the offseason again. I would trade off some of that surplus to get a guy who would help in a variety of areas. If he was used right, he would be much more than a utility guy. He would be playing at least 5 days a week.
Wave, I beg to differ with you on that one. While you might not have the need to start both your utility back ups, both guys have speed and can pinch run. I think that would be used more than another guy off the bench whose chance to hit a home run is statistically less than playing small ball properly.
Jay,
Then please explain further what you mean when you say you think Ransom will be a pleasant surprise. Because from my vantage point you made it sound like Ransom was ready to break out and become a big time hitter.
The man is 33 years old. He’s a serviceable utility infielder. What you see is what youre going to get.
pat
June 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
“The guy can mas lefties, versatile, and is great in the clubhouse.”
I know I’m going to be sorry I asked but…..
exactly what versatility does Duncan have?
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Duncan can forearm mash with anybody, and with either arm. That’s versatility.
Boogie Down Bob,
You said:
“Jay,
He’s 33 years old. I think at this stage what we see is what were going to get with Cody Ransom.”
I don’t think it’s as much about his age as it is about his at bats. I don’t think he’s ever had more than 68 at bats in one season in the majors. I’d like to see what he can do with a few hundred at bats — especially for a couple of years in a row.
Jay, you are just not looking at it logically.
I will however conced that you didn’t say 1 or 3.
“If you use DeRosa as a real utility player to spell everyone a little, particularly ARod and Damon, then he’s worth something. I’d trade just about any pitcher in the minor league system to rent him for the rest of the year if that’s how the Yanks would use him.”
Any ?
For Mark DeRosa ?
Mark DeRosa ?
Mark DeRosa ?
Mark FREAKING DeRosa ?!
CB, are you on RAB? Over there I am RAB poster.
“The Pirates for example just promoted Pedro Alvarez and several other guys to AA, even though some of them (especially Pedro) didn’t exactly light up Full Season A Ball.”
SJ,
I was going to ask you about this but didn’t know if it was a sensitive subject given that Tony’s in the system. It very well might be and as such don’t comment if you’re not comfortable.
I was very surprised to see this. Pedro is having a very disappointing season. And I guess you can say that he could need more of a challenge but this isn’t going from Low A to high like Jackson did. This is all the way up to AA.
That seems like a team sticking to a pre-ordained plan that is based on getting back some kind of short term ROI.
No insight into the situation. But it seems like a good way to ruin a player.
You’ve said before Pedro came into camp out of shape. Can’t see the benefit of sending a struggling player, especially one out of shape, to AA.
Jay,
I think there is a reason he hasn’t gotten a few hundred at bats in a given season.
Yankee Trader,
The only time I’ve seen hitters react to a pitcher the way they almost all did to Koufax in his prime was back when Mariano’s cutter was a new experience for many hitters and they just stood there with that hopeless look like someone with his shoe caught in the track and the train coming at him.
Conced is concede.
Im off to go see Aerosmith at Jones Beach
. Enjoy the game everyone. Hopefully Jetes has a great bday game.
People talk about Cervelli like he’s some kind of good luck charm.
Koufax from 1062 thru 1966 was….well….Koufax. Martinez was outstanding, but, for old timers like Trader, he was except for size, more like Drysdale and Gibson. Like them, he had no trouble hitting batters if he couldn’t get them out.
Jay, the yanks are 4 games over .500 with Cervelli. And the only reason for that was their 9 games winning streak when everything was clicking. Yanks are 2-4 in his last 6 starts. You are way over-valuing him. He isn’t a liability at this point and that’s a good thing. Yanks aren’t winning more games with him as their regular catcher.
Joey’s Poodle-Many still react that way to Mo’s cutter.
impossible to compare koufax and others to pedro in his prome. mound was higher, batters did not wear armor,no DH, bigger parks, steroids not an issue.
you cannot compare players of different era’s in any sport in my opinion….
Where’s JoPo??
Sorry if it’s already been debated, haven’t been following lately, let alone today. Hope he’s alright.
Nady, well his healthy return was resting on a wing and a prayer anyway. Didn’t he already have Tommy John years ago? You just hope this doesn’t end his career.
Correction: Koufax from 1962 thru 1966
SoS, the first name SEA wants is Hughes then Jackson then Jesus. That’s a star player, they’re going to want something to build around.
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That would be a no go brandon. On second thought i will get killed for this but maybe a Jackson if he doesnt look like he can regain his power and cut down on his k’s. Assuming they eat some of his salary or take Keis salary with them. Which would leave Ichiro at around 11/12 mil per year.
Here’s an off the wall trade for you!
Trade Damon and an arm to the Angels. They need a lefty bat with power and definitely could use a bullpen arm. Damon might consent to that deal. Since the Angels would then have an abundance of outfielders, ask for Chone Figgins who is versatile and also a FA, and Juan Rivera, former Yankee.
Ok, I’m ready to be criticized!!!
Boogie Down Bob,
You said:
“Jay,
Then please explain further what you mean when you say you think Ransom will be a pleasant surprise. Because from my vantage point you made it sound like Ransom was ready to break out and become a big time hitter.
The man is 33 years old. He’s a serviceable utility infielder. What you see is what youre going to get.”
Boogie Down Bob,
The reason why I think Ransom’s going to have a break out year if he gets the opportunity and his body holds up is what he’s done in the minors since 2006:
2006 380 at bats .824 OPS
2007 503 at bats .830 OPS
2008 423 at bats .820 OPS
But he’s never gotten a chance to get a few hundred at bats with any major league team.
GB7, I was watching that World Series Game (62?) of Koufax and Kaat the other day. Koufax was noticeably better but I’m still suprised Kaat never got into the hall. What a career that guy had.
Yankee Trader-What are the numbers of Figgins and Rivera?
All at AAA, by the way.
Mark DeRosa has become the Xavier Nady of Yankee fans’ “final piece” dreams…
DeRosa ? srsly….DEROSA !?
How’s that Nady/Marte deal looking now ? Craig Wilson ?..etc. they are repeat moves. Moves you can do w/o.
Apparently there was a debate on 1050 as to who was the better team, the 86 Mets or the 1998 Yankees. I know Kay thinks the latter blows the former out of the water – La Greca gave a half-hearted edge to the Yanks and Steve Phillips chose the Mets (surprise!). Darryl Strawberry has come out and said the 86 Mets were the best team he’s ever played on and Hernandez the best player he’s played with.
I assume Darryl’s mind is clouded by affection for the 86 Mets because, IMO, they absolutely do not match up to the 1998 Yankees. That Yankee team was maybe the greatest team ever – truly nearly unbeatable.
Juan Rivera? are the players going to have to lock up their equipment? Jeter wouldn’t allow it, he was the reason why he is no longer here. Regardless of his blood ties to Mariano.
While everyone has been talking about Posada’s defense, his batting average has dropped 48 points since June 3 and he has 3 RBIs in that time frame, one of those on a booted DP grounder. He’ll break down if he isn’t given a lot of rest and the team would be better off if that playing time went to Cervelli instead of Molina. It’s Cervelli vs. Molina, not vs. Posada.
Betsey, can we take coccaine out of the equation?
Best cuveball:
Koufax, Camilio Pascual or Bert Blyleven, or others.
Elroy Face of the Pirates went, if I remember, 19-1 with a forkball-early version of the splitfinger.
People talk about Cervelli like he’s some kind of good luck charm.
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Doreen,
Did you mean good look charm? Im not a lady but from what i read here its all about the eyes. He can k everytime up and they wouldnt even notice it.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
You said:
“Jay, you are just not looking at it logically.
I will however conced that you didn’t say 1 or 3.”
Thanks, Wait till. Please do look at that BaseballReference.com page and the players it says are similar to Posada at the same age and let me know what you think.
http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml
Busy day…Just wanted to say that before Cervelli, Jose was the man…
“Trade Damon and an arm to the Angels. They need a lefty bat with power and definitely could use a bullpen arm. Damon might consent to that deal. Since the Angels would then have an abundance of outfielders, ask for Chone Figgins who is versatile and also a FA, and Juan Rivera, former Yankee.
Ok, I’m ready to be criticized!!!”
Actually that doesn’t sound bad at all.
“Juan Rivera? are the players going to have to lock up their equipment? Jeter wouldn’t allow it, he was the reason why he is no longer here. Regardless of his blood ties to Mariano.”
That’s Ruben.
DB-
That would be Ruben Rivera, not Juan Rivera, no relation to Mariano.
The answer is Austin Jackson…no trades, especially no rental trades.
Bring this guy up already.
“Busy day…Just wanted to say that before Cervelli, Jose was the man…”
Cisco comes w/ speed and a bat, that’s the difference.
“The answer is Austin Jackson…no trades, especially no rental trades.
Bring this guy up already.”
He will not be up until September end of story.
Oy.
There is NO WAY you bring up Austin Jackson before September. You do not mess with this kid’s development.
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According to Girardi, Jose will be the man again in a few weeks.
Yankee Trader,
I dont know if this means much. But it like it!!
Boogie Down Bob,
Here’s the page where I got those numbers if you’re interested:
http://thebaseballcube.com/pla.....nsom.shtml
And I do think Ransom will be have numbers closer to his minor league numbers somewhere at some point — if not with the Yankees, then elsewhere.
On the other hand, according to FanGraphs, Ransom hasn’t exactly been an asset in the field….
no jorge? bottom of the lineup looking pretty weak.
Cervelli is Thurman Munson version 2. He will be the everyday catcher next year.
Brandon, I think the Yankees love what Phil has done – but no way is he the next set up man. They’d be morons to convert him to a reliever. Joe did rave about Phil – said he’s growing up before our eyes and has taken the new role on as a challenge.
DB
June 26th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
GB7, I was watching that World Series Game (62?) of Koufax and Kaat the other day. Koufax was noticeably better but I’m still suprised Kaat never got into the hall. What a career that guy had.
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Yeah, that was the ’65 Series. Jim Kaat’s getting punished because of durability and because he wasn’t “dominant”, much like Blyleven and John. The only thing they did was win. In Kaat’s and Blyleven’s case, usually with bad to average teams. People forget that Kaat spent his last 5 years or so as a relief pitcher, not a starter. He didn’t pick up many numbers in relief, other than games. He was quite an exceptional pitcher. Imagine what he could have done with a team like the Yankees in his first 8 years or so instead of the Washington Senators and transplanted Twins.
Then again, according to FanGraphs, DeRosa hasn’t been so great in the field either.
PA,
You’re take on Gardner is assumptive, going forward. Either that, or you aren’t able to really evaluate ABs.
He has shown very little ability to drive the baseball. In fact, if you’re paying attention, you’ll see he’s now reverted to lunging forward and not using his lower half to drive the pitch – the issue that dogs him.
It’s a testament to his running ability and speed that he can get infield hits – and he’ll have to – because I don’t think it’s likely that he is going to get on base consistently otherwise.
I would say, also, that I think you see a guy with tremendous speed and assume he’s going to be a good on-base guy. You mention he doesn’t strike out a lot, as evidence that he’s coming around as a hitter.
But I see a guy who doesn’t foul off many pitches, and who doesn’t get into deep counts.
Granted, if he can continue to get himself on base, then that’s a huge positive, because you can pretty much pencil in a double, plus aggravation for the pitcher and FBs for the subsequent batter.
But I am not seeing a batter with a particularly good approach, nor one who really uses his low center of gravity to his advantage in the batter’s box. I am actually seeing a hitter who often, in fact, looks overmatched.
Brandon,
my bad, what ever happened to that guy?
“Could be. But if your back-up infielder isn’t starting that day, how many of the regulars are you really going to be pinch hitting for?”
It would have been most useful for the nine straight NL road games. But I’d pinch hit for Cervelli for sure.
Plus, considering how the offense has been playing, the “never-pinch-hit” theme looks a little ragged. At least one of our guys is always in a massive slump.
I just think the marginal benefit of a bat is better than the marginal benefit of the glove.
I just think the extra bat is more useful than the second backup infield glove.
Betsy he’s talking about this season.
“He will not be up until September end of story.”
I’m not so sure he’ll be ready in September. They can call him up obviously.
But I don’t think they should plan on him being a starter in 2010.
If his performance continues as it has so far, I’d plan on keeping him in AAA for at least half of next year.
DB, IDK
Very random, but do you know there was a pitcher who by the name Sweetbreads Bailey in the 1920′s?
“Cisco comes w/ speed and a bat, that’s the difference.”
I never thought I’d say this, but Molina has actually been the better hitter this year.
“I’m not so sure he’ll be ready in September. They can call him up obviously.
But I don’t think they should plan on him being a starter in 2010.
If his performance continues as it has so far, I’d plan on keeping him in AAA for at least half of next year.”
CB w/ Jackson I always thought midseason next yr, he’ll get a cup of coffee this season as a high ceiling #5 OF and hopefully midseason next yr. he graduates to FT player # 2 OF.
“I never thought I’d say this, but Molina has actually been the better hitter this year.”
Are you sure about that ?
What do you guys think of maybe a Juan Piere? He seems to have resurected his career. Manny is coming back and he has no spot on the team. Im not sure how much hes owed but assuming we get him for a resonable price.
“Are you sure about that ?”
Yup.
Gardner has had 170 PA’s this year. Look at his breakdown by number of pitches:
Pitches
3 42
5 29
4 26
2 25
6 23
7+ 15
1 10
Seems ok to me?
Look at Jeter
Pitches
4 74
3 55
2 51
5 47
6 42
1 33
7+ 17
Brandon,
my bad, what ever happened to that guy?
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I believe i saw him playing in the WBC this year. Last i heard he was in a mexican league if im not mistaken using Jetes glove in the outfield.
“I never thought I’d say this, but Molina has actually been the better hitter this year.”
Yes you’re right, when talking about Yadir Molina.
Wave
It would have been useful in the NL parks.
No matter the slump though, I just don’t see Girardi PHing Duncan for Jeter, Damon, Tex, Alex, Cano, Jorge or Hideki. Even Melky and Gardner have a litle late inning magic n their own. That doesn’t leave a whole lot for him to do then.
Yankee Trader
June 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Best cuveball:
Koufax, Camilio Pascual or Bert Blyleven, or others.
Elroy Face of the Pirates went, if I remember, 19-1 with a forkball-early version of the splitfinger.
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tough choice on the curve balls. I’ve got to go with Koufax. That curve was just cruel. Blyleven, Ford and Pascuall had sharp curves, but, Koufax threw it harder than Ford’s fastball, or, so it seemed. It just came in hard and dropped down and to the right. Two other great curve ballers were Pedro Ramos and Scotty McGregor.
I am extremely pleased Cervelli is catching. It appears that Cervelli might be getting a little more opportunity than he had in the past. It’s hard not to recognize that talent.
“Even regurgitating some lame theory about Posada will not lead to anyone getting bloodied. This is a baseball blog, not a butcher shop.”
YAWN!!!!
CB,
You said:
“No team uses “cERA.” It’s not a stat. It’s a joke.
Let’s put it this way – baseball sabermatricians think it is utterly useless.
Here a great article on the subject written by a baseball statistician:
“Don’t use Catcher’s ERA. It’s useless. We know this from studies in the past, not just from anecdotal comparisons.”
If you read this article and it doesn’t convince you that “cERA” is meaningless then you are implicitly saying that you understand more about statistics than a statistician does. So I hope you have extensive experience in statistics to back up that claim.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....stop-using”
I read that article before and found it unclear and unpersuasive.
I’m certainly no stats maven. I just can’t understand how anyone can feel like a shortstop or a centerfielder can impact a team’s defense and runs allowed, but a catcher — who calls every pitch, handles every ball and has such an impact on the other team’s running game and his own pitchers’ psyche and confidence — doesn’t. I really can’t.
And honestly, please give me a list of catchers who were the primary catchers on very successful teams at age 38 or older.
And please look at the list of Comparable Batters, etc. on the BaseballReference.com page and tell me what I’m missing. Here’s the link again:
http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml
The lists of comparable players are near the bottom of the page. Check ‘em out, please and let me know what you think I’m missing.
What struck me with Kaat was that he was such an athelete. Not to mention a monster on the field. He has got to get in eventually, even if its with the veterans commitee. Can’t see how you can deny him with 25 years service and a career ERA of 3.75 with almost 2500 K’s. Not to mention all of his Allstar appearances and Gold Gloves.
well, pat, you’ve got a point.
It doesn’t matter that much I guess, it was probably more relevant when ARod was out and when Posada was out.
How the heck did a religious discussion break out again on LoHud???
CC is our best and savviest pitcher in the CitiTarp series, and theoretically will need the least run support or game-calling help. So you can (hopefully) afford to rest Posada.
Ruben Rivera 36 yo and lifetime .216 BA. I think he works in a sporting goods store in Panama, selling used baseball equipment he has collected-gloves , bats, helmets, cups, etc!
Trisha, congradulations on climbing out of the cellar!
This game looks like it won’t start til 10:00.
Who tipped off Trisha? She said she ignores my posts
Brandon—
You don’t know the price tag for DeRosa any more than I do. Acting like they would be overpaying with their very best prospects to defend your argument doesn’t score many points. Of course the fact you apparently would deal Damon and an unamed arm for Figgins and Juan Rivera hurts your credibility even more. Exacly which pitcher is that?
You implied calling up Colin Curtis would be comparable to acquiring DeRosa in terms of helping this team and that is preposterous. I apologize for using the word “better” in my other post, that was a mistake.
(Apologies if this is a duplicate post. I couldn’t remember if I’d hit Submit Comment or not and couldn’t find it.)
CB,
You said:
“No team uses “cERA.” It’s not a stat. It’s a joke.
Let’s put it this way – baseball sabermatricians think it is utterly useless.
Here a great article on the subject written by a baseball statistician:
“Don’t use Catcher’s ERA. It’s useless. We know this from studies in the past, not just from anecdotal comparisons.”
If you read this article and it doesn’t convince you that “cERA” is meaningless then you are implicitly saying that you understand more about statistics than a statistician does. So I hope you have extensive experience in statistics to back up that claim.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.c.....stop-using”
I read that article before and found it unclear and unpersuasive.
I’m certainly no stats maven. I just can’t understand how anyone can feel like a shortstop or a centerfielder can impact a team’s defense and runs allowed, but a catcher — who calls every pitch, handles every ball and has such an impact on the other team’s running game and his own pitchers’ psyche and confidence — doesn’t. I really can’t.
And honestly, please give me a list of catchers who were the primary catchers on very successful teams at age 38 or older.
And please look at the list of Comparable Batters, etc. on the BaseballReference.com page and tell me what I’m missing. Here’s the link again:
http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml
The lists of comparable players are near the bottom of the page. Check ‘em out, please and let me know what you think I’m missing.
DB
June 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
What struck me with Kaat was that he was such an athelete. Not to mention a monster on the field. He has got to get in eventually, even if its with the veterans commitee. Can’t see how you can deny him with 25 years service and a career ERA of 3.75 with almost 2500 K’s. Not to mention all of his Allstar appearances and Gold Gloves.
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Kaat was one other thing….he could hit and for some power….16 homers. ERA was actually 3.45.
86w183-
I’m the one , not Brandon who came up with that scenario. Her’s my earlier post. Now, let’s play nice. We’re all on the same team, right??
Yankee Trader
June 26th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
“Here’s an off the wall trade for you!
Trade Damon and an arm to the Angels. They need a lefty bat with power and definitely could use a bullpen arm. Damon might consent to that deal. Since the Angels would then have an abundance of outfielders, ask for Chone Figgins who is versatile and also a FA, and Juan Rivera, former Yankee.
Ok, I’m ready to be criticized!!!”
Off to see a movie with my daughter, so any bashing will go unnoticed.
Go Yankees!!
SJ, from the earlier thread. I absolutely do realize that not every poor performance by a Yankee pitcher is related to Posada or any catcher and that pitchers do pitch poorly. But IF you observe one catcher having more success with the pitchers than the other catcher it is certainly fair game to question why.
Just as there are a group of posters who think Arod has much to prove, or that Arod is over the hill, or that Arod’s signing was a bad one – all of which they are entitled to believe, by the way (I am not one of them), so are there some posters who believe that Posada has lost some effectiveness behind the dish. Those posters certainly have the right to feel that way, and there is nothing that says they (we) are wrong. You and others can take the other side all that you want, but other than saying you’re right, games won and lost are not on Posada’s side since he has returned.
If that turns around, since he will be getting the majority of catching time, then I at least will happily acknowledge that my take was incorrect. But in the meantime I will reserve the right to keep this one out to the jury.
“Very compelling argument, Patrick. You’re right and anybody who disagrees with you is being silly and doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Got it.”
Jay,
I think his argument was actually the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.
(I wasn’t sure if I had included the link or not the first two times I tried to send this. So if I sent it three times, I apologize, I apologize, and I apologize.
)
Here’s the link for anyone wishing to see catchers who BaseballReference.com believe have been similar batters to Posada.
http://www.baseball-reference......jo01.shtml
Click the links with their names to see what they’ve done at age 38 and beyond. Let me tell you, it ain’t pretty.
If they could still play, I assume their teams would have kept rolling them out there year after year — but they didn’t.
If Nady is going back to Yocum, he’s got a lot of rehab after surgery. Yocum and Robert Kerlan are the masterminds behind the TJ surgery.
CC with the bat > Posada with the bat
Re: Koufax, Pedro, and others.
Have seen them both (and Warren Spahn, as well). #1, Koufak (becaue of post season success). #2 Pedro.
Those of you who are including Koufax contemporaries in the conversation are not factoring in the era. 15″ mound, pitching dominant cycle. Koufak contemporaries weren’t in Pedro’s league.
Pedro’s stats (in his prime) were light years ahead of the other pitcher’s of his era. He was better than the Marichals and Gibsons when you look at the differential between him and the other pitchers of his time (steroid era).
You can compare within time frames. When you go across time frames, it gets tough.
But I know what my eyes tell me …. Koufax, then Pedro, and the rest, while outstanding, are in a lower level of Olympus.
No, raymagentic,
Patrick said that “anyone” who questions Posada’s skils behind the plate is being silly and doesn’t know what they’re talking about.”
And obviously, I’m hardly the only one who feels that way.
Good luck with your reading comprehension….
Francesa says Nady out for season- needs Tommy John surgery… AGAIN!
“Count me among those wondering if Brackman will end up being a very expensive and strange gamble. Millions of dollars for a college pitcher facing major arm surgery was strange when it happened and the returns are not encouraging.”
So after not even one full year back from surgery in your opinion the returns are not encouraging? Interesting.
Perhaps you should wait a while before coming up with your judgement on a player. Sheesh.
“Trisha, congradulations on climbing out of the cellar!”
“Who tipped off Trisha? She said she ignores my posts”
YAWN! I ignore you as an entity. Reading your posts comes under the rubric of never turning your back on people you don’t trust.
“Francesa says Nady out for season- needs Tommy John surgery… AGAIN!”
Good lord I hope not. That’s terrible if it’s true.
“Francesa says Nady out for season- needs Tommy John surgery… AGAIN!”
If true that would be terrible luck.
I believe Nady will be the first professional position player to ever need TJ surgery twice. The first ever. Pitcher’s have needed it. But i don’t think a position player has – or at least a position player who was playing in the league on a consistent basis.
Nady took the risk of sticking with the Boras approach towards one’s career – don’t sign any kind of extension. Be willing to play on multiple teams that might deal you and risk entering the market.
Some guys win big on that – ARod and Zito for example. Others lose – like Nady.
We tend to remember the guys who win more than those who lose.
>Good lord I hope not. That’s terrible if it’s true.
That’s what I heard him say on YES right before he read the Mets lineup.
“Cervelli is Thurman Munson version 2. He will be the everyday catcher next year.”
The kid oozes talent.
Brian, very good points and ones I’ve heard on occassion. I’ve only seen Koufax pitch on tv once last week, but Pedro in his prime plenty of times. Martinez was unstoppable. A combination of power and finesse that was unparalleled. Neither was or is a big guy either.
I can’t see the Mariners giving up Ichiro unless they are blown away with an offer. They clearly set out to have an outfield with superior defense. They’ve done that and they are 2.5 games out of first. Oh yeah, he also puts fannies in the seats. I think they would likely want positional talent back, prospects and a MLB ready bat. With a little offense they could be in first right now.
If they do fall out of it in the next month Washburn has looked pretty good as has Aardsma. I would think the Yankees could use his arm in the pen.
Tornado warnings in Connecticut.
Today is a bad day to have a phobia of thunderstorms…
Girardi told Francessa it was a possibility. Not sure who told Francessa it was a certainty.
Here’s the audio of Francesa mentioning Nady out for season:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/619039123aa19f56/
Koufax was a pretty good size for a pitcher 45-50 years ago…..6’2″ and about 210 pounds.
Oh Trisha, ignore me as an entity while reading all my comments and despising me as a human being, whatever!
Can’t you put all this fiddle-faddle aside and just celebrate our common love of the Yankees?
All the bile and vitriol diminish the joy that people get from reading and commenting on this site.
My advice is to just be happy that your beloved is behind the plate and don’t worry about the future.
And I agree with what you wrote in response to SJ44: people do have the right to feel however they want to. But feelings aren’t facts.
Go Yankees!!!
Why does it rain everyday??
Don’t go making any rash decisions on Lee, Trish. He is still very effective. Your ERA and WHIP are going to start to fall.
Anyone else agree Yankees BP TV has the best tv jingle around?
Xavier Nady is out for the rest of the season. It is reported by the NY Post that he will need Tommy John Surgery.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/06.....176291.htm
RS
June 26th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Why does it rain everyday??
Some would say its global warming and the polar ice caps melting
or it could just be the weather…
Lets go METS!!! YANKS ARE GOING DOWN…if it doesnt rain out lol
http://c-trainsentertainmentreviews.blogspot.com/
GB7 – you beat me to it on Koufax ….. I’ve seen him listed as 6’3″ ….. pretty tall for that time.
I believe that I read in Dolores Kearns Goodwin’s biography that he was a good HS basketball player who could dunk.
Or maybe that was another book about Wilt Chamberlain ……
Entity – you want to give the blog a break? Forget my name.
Otherwise you’re the one who keeps it going. I am more than thrilled to never have to use your name again here. Just say “it’s a deal” and it’s over. Make no reference to me or my posts and I’ll do the same for you.
Brian, I enjoyed your Koufax post. But it’s Doris, not Delores. You should know that!
DB, thanks. That’s all I needed to hear. I’ll keep him. I guess I can drop Nady.
GreenBeret7
June 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Koufax was a pretty good size for a pitcher 45-50 years ago…..6?2? and about 210 pounds.
I was unaware of that, I thought he was small. He at least was in relation to Kaat on the mound. Pedro is listed as 5’11″ and 195. (used to be about 180 if I remember correctly)
Ahh the name, Delores. Brings back memories of yet another Seinfeld classic episode.
-dennis
Hey dennis! Nice to see you here. Hope you are enjoying your summer so far. You know I can’t wish the same for your team of choice but that’s not personal, just fandom.
with nady out for the year, now they know they have to go get a replacement.
Wow, where I’m at, it got kinda scary looking outside real fast. I hear some thunder. A little boom boom boom
Go Yanks tonight
I don’t think one who addresses me as “Entity” in that fashion has peace in her heart.
This is a Yankee discussion board and you are the prime instigator in the continued discussion of the worst Yankee-related idea of the season (thus far). This is an emotional issue and, as I said, I don’t begrudge anyone their feelings. If the topic goes away on here, I doubt I or anyone else will continue to discuss it.
Besides that, if you want to continue your war against me, that’s your right, although it goes against the spirit of the guidelines Pete is trying to enforce. Perhaps you should contact him privately if you have a legitimate complaint about me.
Trisha.
Thanks for asking, the weather has been miserable but we love Maine, the island, and the people here. Job searching or laying low unitl the time is right?
-dennis
GB7 – even worse, “Delores” Goodwin was the commencement speaker at my daughter’s college graduation. Good grief! Thanks for the correction.
Slipping slowly into the abyss ……..
Just leave me alone. My peace is not having to deal with you. End it.
Brian (Red Sox fan)
June 26th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
GB7 – you beat me to it on Koufax ….. I’ve seen him listed as 6?3? ….. pretty tall for that time.
I believe that I read in Dolores Kearns Goodwin’s biography that he was a good HS basketball player who could dunk.
Or maybe that was another book about Wilt Chamberlain ……
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Koufax went to the University of Cincinnati on a basketball scholarship. He said that he wasn’t all that much of a baseball fan and only played because his friends played, and in college he only played to stay in shape for basketball. I think it was Dick Groat that said he had bob Cousy/Jerry Lucas type skills. Groat was the 1960 NL MVP, but an All-American guard at Duke.
This is a really bad time to have a thunderstorm anxiety!
Jane Leavy wrote a great book about Koufax a few years ago called, “Sandy Koufax: A Lefty’s Legacy”.
UPDATE, 6:23 p.m.: Jeter was just scratched because of illness. It’s going through the team. Matsui and Cabrera are just getting over it.
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Happy Birthday?
Rebecca-Thunderstorms scare the crap outta me too. I’m thisclose to hiding under my bed
Wow, looking outside now…the city looks like a Hollywood set for a horror movie.
GB7 …. thanks for the further info on Koufax’ basketball background. I probably read that in “Delores” Goodwin’s biography, but those facts seem to have slipped out of their cerebral storage compartment.
And I just noticed that I have been piling up the typos … not good.
You know dennis, I am still adjusting to the newness of this all and really still trying to tie up loose ends and get my papers in order, if you know what I mean. Figuring out continuing my medical coverage, things like that.
I have a lot of outside things going on right now, including having the one unfinished room in my house finished. So I’m running around a lot on that one, picking out things (writing out checks.)
The only thing I know for sure is that I want to start doing some pro bono law once I have my sea legs under me. It just seems to be taking a long time. (And being probably the most unorganized person God ever put breath into doesn’t help.
)
Thank you for asking. I know we’re going to be heading to Maine at some point this summer. I have a cousin who lives there (I think close to NH, haven’t been to her new home yet). Also, and I can’t remember the name of it, we made a trek last year to some famous restaurant in Maine that has one-pound lobster sandwiches. Absolutely the best lobster I ever tasted. Do you know which one that would be? Also I would love to do some white-water rafting on the Kennebec River. I did that some years back and absolutely loved it.
Maine is very very beautiful. When we were kids our summer vacations were always NE oriented. My very first trip to Maine was to Machias. I was probably not quite five when we went there and the one thing I remember is that the blueberries we picked were so big they looked like they could pop your eyes out!
Jete sick on his birthday.
Im still mad that both the yanks and mets spent all that Cash on the nice stadiums and they dont have retractible roofs
Pete: It’s pretty severe
Brian (Red Sox fan)
June 26th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
GB7 …. thanks for the further info on Koufax’ basketball background. I probably read that in “Delores” Goodwin’s biography, but those facts seem to have slipped out of their cerebral storage compartment.
And I just noticed that I have been piling up the typos … not good.
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Yeah, that “Delores” was pretty good at stringing words together. Must run in her family. Heard that her sister tried to do a little writing, too.
Wow, nice storm headed for Shea.
Trisha, you don’t “have” to deal with me. This is Pete’s LoHud Yankee blog, not mine and not yours.
This is a one-way war and you’re welcome to it. Any power I have to disturb your peace is power you’ve created and ceded to me. So just don’t worry about anything I say and it truly won’t matter.
Not everyone has to like each other and I have no problem with you not liking me, but we do root for the same team.
Wow, Jeter not in the lineup. Why not put Posada in there now to give us some offense?
Typos are a good thing, as long as they don’t look like one of the 7 things you can’t say on TV.
As long as you make typos, people don’t treat you as though you think you know everything. I don’t want people thinking that about me, so I toss in a typo ever few thousand words or so.
I certainly don’t understand how a person decides to take a leave of absence from this blog because she feels attacked over a particular point of view, but then returns to re-ignite the fire. How a person says she is open to opposing points of view but everything she says says otherwise. She says she feels attacked but ‘YAWNS’ when someone expresses that same opposing viewpoint.
what up with all the nastiness in here?
this is why i no longer read and comment here daily. its too bad b/c it used to be a great place to chat while watching a game, but now its nasty before the first pitch…
Sorry, Ham Fighters, I’m partially to blame.
Hopefully it’s just the storm before the calm.
“I certainly don’t understand how a person decides to take a leave of absence from this blog because she feels attacked over a particular point of view, but then returns to re-ignite the fire. How a person says she is open to opposing points of view but everything she says says otherwise. She says she feels attacked but ‘YAWNS’ when someone expresses that same opposing viewpoint.”
Then let me try to help you understand. Since I know I have the right to express an opinion, since I know there are others here who share that opinion, and since I feel a lot of vindication since that opinion was pretty widely shared in the press and by sportswriters for whom I have a lot of respect (Olney and Kepner amongst them), I decided to take a chance on coming back. My opinion hasn’t changed, and since this is a forum, I thought that I would continue to voice my opinion since others voice their’s.
The YAWN is for one poster here. Also my right. I am happy to discuss any other opposing viewpoint, which I did in my post to SJ.
Now I am done explaining myself. If the wolf attack starts again, which I certainly don’t expect to happen, then I can again find my way off the forum. If my posts bother you, don’t read them. If they don’t bother you, well that’s good too.
GB7.
How goes it?
I thought you do know everything?
Leaving here at 7:00 to walk down to the Gallery on the island which Amy has some space in. It is the opening night for the Summer. I will miss baseball this eve unless you are guys are delayed however I will miss the Sox this eve. I am already out of conversation topics headed into this event as all I know is baseball and crude oil. Those conversations at an art gallery last 7.5 seconds. Then I just stare down at my flip flops…
-dennis
NYY626
June 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Im off to go see Aerosmith at Jones Beach . Enjoy the game everyone. Hopefully Jetes has a great bday game
*****
I almost bought tix to this concert. Glad I didn’t now that I see the sky over Long Island right now.
Have a great time! And a happy birthday!
Hug it out people.
Erica – newly OPPC June 26th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
NYY626
June 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Im off to go see Aerosmith at Jones Beach . Enjoy the game everyone. Hopefully Jetes has a great bday game
*****
I almost bought tix to this concert. Glad I didn’t now that I see the sky over Long Island right now.
Have a great time! And a happy birthday!
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I hear they’re playing Toys in the Attic in its entirety.
Nick
Drive faster. Petaluma isn’t good for you. You were much more “zen” earlier in Pittsburg.
If they get this game in, won’t be until around 8:30-9pm.
Wow, The weather on the Jersey Shore has taken a turn for the crazy. The ocean is angry tonight. And to think, ten years ago I would have grabbed my board and headed out there…
not raining a bit here in Delaware. I was hoping to watch the game tonight and see if CC is back
“I hear they’re playing Toys in the Attic in its entirety.”
An album of my youth. Good times!
S.A.–The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the OPPC
June 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Rebecca-Thunderstorms scare the crap outta me too. I’m thisclose to hiding under my bed
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Hahaha. I love a good thunderstorm. One exception- the one at 3:30am a few weeks ago that lasted an hour. Not a fan. The funny part is everyone in my office was complaining that they were up for an hour. I couldn’t help but wonder how many thunderstorm babies will be born 9 months from then because everyone was up for an hour at 3:30am
So it seems a lot of us are experiencing thunderstorms, and what is the advertising heading on the blog (at least for me)? “How to Make Electricity”
Pretty good, that.
Rebecca -
Keep cover. I know how you hate these things.
Speaking of blog ads, have any of you expereienced the Jorge Posada ad for (is it McDonalds)? Very, very strange ad.
im still feeling pretty good about the yankees even with the recent swoon. and i still like girardi as manager, especially when you ask yourself who else you would hire to replace him. i can imagine people have been ready to jump in here but i suspect they have just begun another streak where they will win 15 out of 20 or something. thier pitching is going to start to assert itself, they have too many good starting pitchers to continue to struggle like they have recently.
and another thing im high on is phil yews. i said when he came up last time that he would never go back to the minors and i think he will take a spot in the rotation for good very soon.
pat
June 26th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
“I hear they’re playing Toys in the Attic in its entirety.”
An album of my youth. Good times!
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I heard that too. Except they aren’t playing “You See Me Crying” because well, Steven Tyler can’t hit the high notes
Unfortunately, pat, Petaluma was my destination when I left Pittsburg. I am not so skilled (or so wreckless) as to have typed up my last few entries while behind the wheel.
But I will try to return to my particular form of haiku again, now that I know that at least two people enjoy it.
Nick-
Make it 3 people.
-dennis
Nick-
I know no other cities that are spelling like Petaluma. I can’t accuse you of misspelling this one.
I liked it better when you were in PittsburG
*Pete A.* -
I thought Tommy John surgery was a lot easier to come back from if you are a position player than a pitcher. I remember an NFL QB coming back from TJ surgery in 6-8 months…
I am so tired of the rain. Soooooo tired of the rain. Every day there is at least the threat of rain. Yuck.
Nick
Haiku is good. I hear it’s even more “zen” than Pittsburg.
Clouds are rolling in
Players take cover inside
Could be a long night.
To avoid the nastiness, just read the posts of the posters you like.
They’ll get the game in, lots of clearing behind the line, but the line is moving fairly slowly. @nynjpaweather thinks it’ll be about an hour.
Sucks for Nady and for the team. We should sign someone else this season.
Dennis: how do you know you weren’t the other person I was thinking of??
By which I mean, thank you.
In Petaluma
She is still celebrated
Wynona Ryder
A Subway delayed…
Beat writers’ reverie, rain
Ominous rumblings…
BTW, Noah took 7 of each animal.
“Petaluma was my destination when I left Pittsburg. I am not so skilled (or so wreckless) as to have typed up my last few entries while behind the wheel.”
Not typing while driving will help you stay wreckless.
dennis-Costanza
June 26th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
GB7.
How goes it?
I thought you do know everything?
Leaving here at 7:00 to walk down to the Gallery on the island which Amy has some space in. It is the opening night for the Summer. I will miss baseball this eve unless you are guys are delayed however I will miss the Sox this eve. I am already out of conversation topics headed into this event as all I know is baseball and crude oil. Those conversations at an art gallery last 7.5 seconds. Then I just stare down at my flip flops…
-dennis
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Afternoon, Dennis. Hope all is well with you and The Lady. I think that by next weekend, all will be normal as God intended. NYY in first and Boston struggling to keep the Yankee tail lights in sight.
Baseball, oil, art and flip flops. What could be more American? Did Amy give you a dollar to disappear?
The weather all along the East Coast has been unreal this year. Looks like a lot of soggy fireworks this year.
How many players have had 2 Tommy Johns?
anyone have any idea what time the game might start? I am goin out to dinner so i dont want to really miss much
Bronx Jeers: Quite a few, surprisingly.
I am a few miles from the stadium and the skies are very dark and it is pouring, lightning and thundering.
I feel so bad for Nady.
The storm must be passing. The dog is no longer sitting on my lap with his head buried under my knee.
Sounds cuter than it is cause he weighs about 60 pounds.
Bronx Jeers- probably not too many. I know Eiland had it done twice.
Yeah I see that now on Wiki.
Hey Dave Eiland was one of them.
Good point, timo!
LoHud’s dark reader
Tempted by mobile haiku
Reckless commenter
Pitcher Chad Fox has had TJ surgery 3 times!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....he_surgery
The driving rain came though Essex county about an hour ago. It’s after 7 now, and I can hear the birds signing and the sun is (almost) shining…..
They’ll play ball soon enough!!
pat
June 26th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
The storm must be passing. The dog is no longer sitting on my lap with his head buried under my knee.
Sounds cuter than it is cause he weighs about 60 pounds.
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At least you’re well protected. He sounds like a real killer.
I hate the word “truther”, even though I am a Posada truther.
You know how april showers bring may flowers? Maybe G-d by accidently confused June with April…If only Alex would confuse october for any other month. Pretty much any month would do…
I dont think there has been any position player to ever have 2 TJ surgeries. Tough blow for Nady I feel bad for him.
Does it take a position player as long as a pitcher to rehab from TJ?
Jim M June 26th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Does it take a position player as long as a pitcher to rehab from TJ?
Naw. Half the time I believe.
Vance Wilson (back-up catcher) has had TJ twice.
Mike is a Truther
Yet he says he hates the word
I have no comment
If Nady has the surgery next week, he should be ready by spring training. I know Guillen, who plays for the Royals had TJ surgery at the end of July one year and started the next season on time. Also, there are other cases in which position players recovered in 6-7 months.
Tom in N.J.
June 26th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Vance Wilson (back-up catcher) has had TJ twice.
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Oh ok there haven’t been many though. Maybe Nady future might be as a DH.
To assume Nady’s future as a DH is premature right now.
10/143 (7%) of baseball players that have had TJ surgery have had it done twice, while 3 have had it done three times. Interesting to note that all of the 13 guys were pitchers.
Not sure what this all means, but I am a math geek and felt the need to determine the percentage. I hope for Nady’s sake hes able to rebound from this.
Anyone know the estimated start time of the game tonight?
Here’s a thought…
if an OF had TJ, would he come back with a stronger throwing arm than before? Much like some pitchers throw with more velo after surgery than before.
GB
So safe.
We’ve got a Beware of Dog sign on our fence but anyone carrying treats, who doesn’t mind a little saliva and can stand having their legs whipped by a wagging tail should have no trouble robbing us. If they toss valuables on the floor, the dogs will probably even carry them to the van for them.
ADam
June 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Anyone know the estimated start time of the game tonight?
I’m watching My9 where the game is to be broadcast and they haven’t mentioned anything.
Sportscasters grumble…
Sunflower seeds sodden, clouds…
Waiting to play ball…
You know what’s fun?
watching journalists and posters write off one Yankee after another and then see them get hot…
Tex, Mo, Jeter, Burnett,…now Posada and A-Rod.
Keep writing ‘em off guys…soon these good players will start playing up to their capabilities and the “pathetic” team that so many are writing about will be on top.
pat
June 26th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
GB
So safe.
We’ve got a Beware of Dog sign on our fence but anyone carrying treats, who doesn’t mind a little saliva and can stand having their legs whipped by a wagging tail should have no trouble robbing us. If they toss valuables on the floor, the dogs will probably even carry them to the van for them.
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Sounds like my watch dog. They’ll watch ‘em take everything I own. The only one he ever attacks is me.
and they are removing the tarp
Tarp is coming off, but not start time was announced
UPDATE, 7:29 p.m.: First pitch at 8.
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Cool. Guess I’ll watch an episode of..flipping channels right now…Cops while waiting
According to the Wikipedia site on TJ recipients, Matt Holiday is listed but his page has no mention of it.
It also lists Mariano Rivera. Is that correct?
Mariano had TJ in 92′
Yes, Mo had TJS.
It was after the TJS that he went from ‘eh’ to ‘#!@#!@!#!!!!!’
Mo had his surgery in 1992!!! Very interesting…..
Here’s an excerpt from the Wikipedia page….
“Rivera attempted to improve the movement on his slider by snapping his wrist in his pitching motion, but inadvertently caused nerve damage to his throwing elbow. He had Tommy John surgery in August 1992 to repair the damage, ending his season and briefly interrupting his minor league career. His rehabilitation coincided with the 1992 expansion draft to fill the rosters for the Florida Marlins and Colorado Rockies expansion teams. Rivera was left unprotected by the Yankees but was not drafted.”
Lacing up my cleats…
Watching a diamond unsheathed…
Raindrops on rawhide…
Rebecca,
Congratulations on your site getting linked to on baseball musings!
Pinto’s site is very good and it’s was great to see him reference your writing on Jeter.
CB: Thanks. I’ve been linked a few times =)
No one is blaming Posada for the fact that the yanks haven’t won it all for nearly a decade (one of their longest droughts in team history).
Rather, he is emblematic of the yankees problem, which is their penchant for giving guys lengthy, bloated contracts when their best years are behind them. It results in sloppy, lazy play. That’s what you’re seeing from Posada now.
Guys like Cervellie, Gardner, provide a spark that a guy like Posada never will. Posada should be a full time DH…wait we have a bunch of those already.
**X is done!**
“Quietly the Yankees were hoping to have Nady’s right-handed bat to help out in right field, where switch-hitter Nick Swisher is playing every day. Now that won’t happen. And though GM Brian Cashman said this week ‘a bat isn’t needed,’ knowing that Nady isn’t returning might change the Yankees’ mind.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....pardy.html
Come on Yankees lets keep it going
Miggs…
I respectfully disagree with your analysis.
I think Posada is an extraordinary offensive catcher.
yes, he has his flaws…as do may catchers…and may players.
BUT lazy???
Unfair…
I’ve heard players, coaches and analysts talk about how in many ways he is the “soul” of the Yankees…and a firey presence on and off the field.
Don’t be so quick to bury a “true Yankee”.
may=many
game on
go yanks
Best strike zone ever
I never would have guessed Mariano had TJ surgery. Huh.
Really sorry to hear that about Nady – sucks that the procedure worked on Saito and not on him. He’s a good guy – I hope he can play at some point next year, wherever that may be
Unfortunately, Christian Garcia is out for the rest of the season.
He had elbow surgery again last friday – removed bone spurs and a bone chip removed and scar tissue removed as well that was rubbing against a nerve.
Garcia just can’t stay healthy. Though this does sound similar to the set back AJ Burnett had after his TJ surgery when he missed most of a season due to surgery for scar tissue.
Hopefully Garcia can stay healthy now that the scar tissue is cleaned out.
JB Cox also is back on the DL.
George Konts also on the DL though it doesn’t sound to serious via Chad Jennings. Forearm tightness – why he threw so poorly last night.
It’s now almost conventional wisdom that elbow surgery and TJ surgery aren’t that big a deal.
I just don’t see that. Even if guys come back healthy it really delays their development a great deal.
I also don’t know if it’s equivalent for a minor leaguer still developing to get TJ as it is for a major leaguer.
For every mariano there are a lot of Chris Garcia’s, JB Cox, Humberto Sanchez, and Sean Henn’s around.
Damon should have let Gardner steal.
Just get a single Alex.
So now with Nady out, do the Yanks make a move for a bat? I really hate to see them part with significant talent out of desperation….
they are makin pelfrey work which is a good sign..
“Guys like Cervellie, Gardner, provide a spark that a guy like Posada never will. ”
didn’t i see gardner drop a flyball last night and don’t i remember him being afraid to steal second base in a crucial situation when given the steal sign.
being an over eager puppy doesn’t make someone a top dog.
a team full of gardners and cervellis would be more like the the pirates than a championship team.
that said, it’s good to work them into the system as role players.
Right now, I don’t think the Yankees need an extra bat, but that could change if someone gets injured.
We all knew that was gonna happen
Woops, didn’t realize the game was on My9…been watching the Met’s broadcast….that was awful to listen too!
hola..anyone know of friendly websites where a poor out of market yankee fan may watch his favorite team play?!?
That’s a fake miggs. The real miggs has pointed his faker out a few times and also stressed that he’s pro-Posada. Don’t be taken in.
“We all knew that was gonna happen”
dont speak for me!
What a bench we have tonight. Matsui, Posada, Swisher, and maybe Jeter if he’s feeling well enough to pinch hit.
I hope CC has his A game tonight. A loss would make the rest of this series very tough.
“That’s a fake miggs. The real miggs has pointed his faker out a few times and also stressed that he’s pro-Posada. Don’t be taken in.”
nick in sf-
i know .
i just wanted to say what i said
Hey guys cc just turned 29 a few days ago on July 29th
And on that note, I’m going dark and heading home.
Enjoy the game, peeps
My DVR is fired up
‘Taping’ Yankee runs
thanks 1st base ump
That sneaky Castillo trying to get on base.
Glancing into glove…
CC Sabathia notes…
Muddy red stitches…
“that said, it’s good to work them into the system as role players.”
Randy, let’s talk in a year or two and see how much of a role player Cervelli is. I think you will be eating your words.
phew damon…nice catch!
“miggs
June 26th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
No one is blaming Posada for the fact that the yanks haven’t won it all for nearly a decade (one of their longest droughts in team history).
Rather, he is emblematic of the yankees problem, which is their penchant for giving guys lengthy, bloated contracts when their best years are behind them. It results in sloppy, lazy play. That’s what you’re seeing from Posada now.
Guys like Cervellie, Gardner, provide a spark that a guy like Posada never will. Posada should be a full time DH…wait we have a bunch of those already.”
Listen whoever you are.
Stop using my screenname and posting dumb comments. I’ve already emailed Pete to ban you and I’m surprised you’re still able to post. It wouldn’t bother me as much if you actually posted anything of substance. But its all nonsense and I don’t want people thinking its me.
Posada…sloppy lazy play? Do you watch the games?
GET ANOTHER NAME.
Hey Mets can we trade parks lol
CC!
Carl
June 26th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Hey guys cc just turned 29 a few days ago on July 29th
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Umm- this sentance doesn’t make much sense
CitiField is huge. Wright’s shot didn’t even make the warning track.
I am very excited to see CC bat
(mentioned this earlier, worth repeating)
Erica – newly OPPC June 26th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Carl
June 26th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Hey guys cc just turned 29 a few days ago on July 29th
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Umm- this sentance doesn’t make much sense
Al Leiter said it on the air
“Umm- this sentance doesn’t make much sense”
i think he was just mocking leiter who said that incorrectly
Is anyone watching the ESPY nominations special on ESPN? Just when I thought I had heard it all on that network, some man, whose name I didn’t catch, criticizes Michael Phelps for not choosing to enter races he wasn’t as good at. Because you know, winning 8 gold medals isn’t good enough.
Anyways, good catch Damon.
Melky had me scared when he went for 2nd.. whew
good call melky….if castillo gets more on the throw they might of had him
I cant wait for CC to bat!
RalphieD (OPPC)
June 26th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
“Umm- this sentance doesn’t make much sense”
i think he was just mocking leiter who said that incorrectly
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Oh- I am sorry. I have been cleaning my apartment and paying almost no attention to what they are saying
Those eyes
It’s been 2 weeks since Teixeira hit a homer.
vtyankeefan
June 26th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
It’s been 2 weeks since Teixeira hit a homer.
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I don’t think its a coincidence that Tex went cold as soon as everyone figured out A-Rod wasn’t hitting
leiter just said throwing a baseball is an unnatural act.
actually throwing is a very natural human act.
as a matter of fact, throwing probably doubled the size of the human brain a hundred thousand years ago.
http://williamcalvin.com/bk2/bk2ch4.htm
” It probably all started with the invention of one-armed rock throwing, handy for hunting prey without the usual long chase scene. Throwing possibly promoted the first important lateralization of a function to the left brain, an ability to rapidly orchestrate muscles in novel sequences. And I’ll bet that this muscle-sequencing lateralization, most noticeable these days as handedness, was what started up not only toolmaking but language.”
throwing is natural.
Gorgeous sky.
yea pena!!!
PEna!!!
Thank you, Pena!
Damon’s diving catch…
CC gets a Citi break…
Melky makes it home…
DA MELK!!!! and our future SS!
I love it when the kiddies produce. Nice job El Nino.
YEA CC!!!
Nice
CC!
CC!!!
CC da man! Lol.
CC needs to work on his patience at the plate
WOOHOO!!!!!!!
CC’s been spending too much time with Cano. No plate discipline. Swinging at the first pitch!
CC!
yea gardner!!..i love these dinks!!
Im loving this!!!
randy since he said it in context with pitching I interpreted it to mean that pitching a baseball (as opposed to aiming) is not a natural act. And unless you are throwing a string, I would say that makes sense.
Oak tree swinging ash…
Mighty CC at the bat…
Pena crossing plate…
YES!!!
HAHA…this is great
Wow- is the Mets defense afraid of the Yankees??
Gardner’s speed made him rush it…
Hello everyone. The Mets are looking sloppy. That sky is really nice to look at too.
Did anyone feel that earthquake. CC running around third?
Just kidding love ya CC.
Fingers crossed. 2 men on, nobody out in Atlanta.
HAHA mets are a MESS!!
And it gets uglier.. LOL
WOW…wth is going on!!! this is insane
I can’t believe what I am watching! Three errors!
Pelfry should have been out of this inning. previous error was a double play. that was also a dp.
The Mets look like my office softball team in the field right now
As usual Tex busts it down the line for no real reason other than the fact that he’s a professional
Real Miggs…
Glad to hear you’re a true Yankees fan…
I apologize if I argued wiongly with you
If I’m Pelfrey, they are all coming off my Christmas card list
If I coached baseball, I’d tell the players to watch Teixeira and model their game after him.
Gotta love small ball!
Johan Santana would have been bashing them in the postgame tonight, if he were on the mound
Sabathia scores…
Mets’ mistakes, mayhem ensues…
soaring, amber skies…
man i hope they can get 5 innings in before it rains again lol…that sky is scary!
sorry about my typing as well…wrongly
lets go cano!!
Why does it have to be Cano
Great link, Randy. Interesting stuff…
Tex is so like Jeter.
Tex really is amazing. He consciously tried to make sure he pulled the ball to get the ball home. And even with the certainty that Gardner would score on contact Tex still hauled down the line right out of the box on a simple ground ball.
I don’t know what Evans was doing – they were never going to get Gardner at home. Way too much speed.
On top of the runs the yankees are now guaranteed to get into the mets bull pen very early.
As someone who doesn’t hate the Mets I have to say that I feel for Pelfry. I know how awful it is when those things have happened, only with pinstripes on the mound and in the field.
Come on Melky bust it open
Ugh, Cano…hope your bud Melky can do something.
Ugh, Cano…hope your bud Melky can do something.
Pelrfy actually hasn’t pitch horribly. The mets can’t field for their lives.
cano is on one of those bad risp streaks..he’ll break out of it..
trisha – OPPC lifetime member
June 26th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
As someone who doesn’t hate the Mets I have to say that I feel for Pelfry. I know how awful it is when those things have happened, only with pinstripes on the mound and in the field.
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I feel bad too. Its hard to gloat to your Mets fan friends when their team is playing so embarrassing
Best I can report is that it is still scoreless but at least they worked Beckett’s pitch count up.
TRADE MELKY!
melky!! dam why would you swing at that pitch…cant do anything with that pitch
Melky just swung at ball four and kept Pelfrey from walking in another run.
Pelfrey at 55 pitches. Wish we got more from that.
Btw- I am a little saddened that Halladay is coming off the DL Monday. I was really hoping the Yankees would miss them next weekend.
Nothing is worse than listening to Sterling gush on his man crush when they are facing Halladay
Johnny Damon: A direct descendant of rock throwing cavemen?
That error by Evans is a product of someone playing out of position.
Wow that sky is amazing
“Johnny Damon: A direct descendant of rock throwing cavemen?”
Maybe- but really hot
another clutch AB from Mr. Cano.. really how can he be so bad with men on base, he could have opened this game up big time………..
18 pitches for CC
Robbie supposedly has a sore wrist; why he was off yesterday.
CC looks much better than he did the not only last game but also against Washington.
His fastball has much more life than it did against Washington.
The last inning was nice but it would have been much better to score additional runs. They can’t afford to have CC throw 110 pitches plus tonight. Would have been nice to get him an early night.
Keith Hernandez…does he sound a little…uh, you know?
I heart Chris Gucchione! (sp?)
Michael Kay said they weren’t strikes in either case. It’s probably the eyes…
Erica
Btw- I am a little saddened that Halladay is coming off the DL Monday. I was really hoping the Yankees would miss them next weekend.
Nothing is worse than listening to Sterling gush on his man crush when they are facing Halladay
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I for one am thrilled Halladay is returning soon. I really pull for him as a player because he plays the game the way it should be. I hope he can get to 20 wins this year.
Halladay is a beast. I would love to see him pitch against us again.
Kay doesn’t think they are strikes because he knows Guchione puts condiments on things….
‘I for one am thrilled Halladay is returning soon. I really pull for him as a player because he plays the game the way it should be. I hope he can get to 20 wins this year.”
That’s the problem. I hate when he is so good against the Yankees. My dislike for Halladay is really nothing but good old fashioned “sour grapes” and IWHWAYS (I wish he was a Yankee syndrome).
Well it looks like F’Ortiz is back at the protein shakes. 1-0 “them”
The eyes
Why would a Yankee fan want to see Halladay? he owns the Yankees. He can win his Cy Young but preferably not at our expense.
Just saw that Trisha…not good.
The Rays and Blue Jays are also ahead right now.
“Great link, Randy. Interesting stuff…”
tom in nj
calvin is a very serious neuroscientist, who totally believes that throwing created the bigger brain that allowed many sequential left brain activities including language to piggyback on the same neural machinery as throwing.
i came across this about fifteen years ago and have used it ever since in reverse to train myself to throw or swing very fast. the key thing is that this ability is programmed in all of us. it’s like some software on a hard drive that just needs to be clicked on to access.
the key is to use velocity. to access it you have to train as fast as you can. throw as fast as you can. swing a bat or a golf club as fast as you can. swinging and throwing are really the same thing.
the fact throwing is connected to language is beyond cool.
stuart
June 26th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
another clutch AB from Mr. Cano.. really how can he be so bad with men on base, he could have opened this game up big time………..
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Yeah, those 42 RBI and 46 runs scored proves what a bum he is. Those aren’t exactly unimportant runs. He must be doing something right.
Pete are ya trying to jinx him?
El Nino!
Can CC go 2 for 2?
Pena!
Loving El Nino reminding Girardi that he’s on the roster too
Derek Pipp
Pena says don’t send me down, you like my defense but I can hit too.
well they DFA the right person
CC robbed.
CC’s cruising, the offense looks like it is back
Test – posting from my iPod touch.
Miggs, Jair Jurrjens is a really good pitcher. It will be a damned shame if one bad pitch does them in. On top of it the Braves have been scuffling. They had the hayseed on the ropes but unfortunately he wiggled out. All we can hope is that they elevate his pitch count to the extent that their award-winning pen gets into the game.
Why does Michael Kay know the full and technical term for truth serum off hand?
Anyone else find that odd???
Wow, it works!
how’s this for a batting order;
1. Jeter
2. Swisher
3. Matsui
4. Posada
5…..
Oh wait that’s our bench tonight
Lol @ Swisher calling Melky a mother effer
Beckett at 73 pitches in the bottom of the 5th. Jurrjens at 59.
Lol, good question erica.
Erica
I know what it is too so I don’t find it odd.
real miggs,
I’m so glad you aren’t in the Posada Truthers camp. You are one of the people on the blog I respect and some of your alter ego’s anti-Posada posts were pretty troubling. Hopefully Pete is listening and bans the imposter.
Anyways, how about that Francisco Cervelli. Those 2 at-bats of his really helped the team didn’t they? No matter, he’s throwing a perfect game right now. I should know better, CC is lost without Cervelli.
Nice heater by Cervelli
Ricky…you got some ‘splainin’ to do!!
A no-no through 6 in Toronto
marlins- rays tied at 2
Wow, Beckett again doing what an ace does…winning the low-scoring pitchers duel. That’s the kind of game Sabathia cannot win.
Beckett is better than any starter on the Yanks.
Mo’sflatcutter June 26th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Wow, Beckett again doing what an ace does…winning the low-scoring pitchers duel. That’s the kind of game Sabathia cannot win.
Beckett is better than any starter on the Yanks.
Grats on your Ban
patrick
by mo, nice knowing you.
two no-nos going
nice
Random question-
You know how it is bad baseball ettiquette to steal bases when you have a big lead?
Well, if later in the game the Yankees have a giant lead and Sabathia is still pitching really well (with a low pitch count)- and the Yankees move to pinch hit for him. Is that still considered bad baseball ettiquette?
Man that sky is gorgeous.
Patrick that’s what bothers me the most… some of the dumb things being written under my handle.
Its really kind of sad if you think about it.
Romero no-hitter through 6 for TOR.
42 pitches for CC
Yeah I wish I was at Citifield to watch the game and take pics of that sunset, it’s pretty incredible.
Boston up 2-0 now. Drew RBI single.
But at least FLA came back to tie TB 2-2.
It’s pathetic that people would imitate others….what does that say about the kinds of lives they live? They don’t even do a good job of it, lol – anyone can tell that’s not Miggs making those Posada comments.
Toronto is still ahead of TB in the standings
No hitter over
glad i mentioned that no-no
See that’s the killer about slumps. Atlanta is in one. Damn.
Guess I jinxed Romero… he just lost his no hitter.
Well Betsy I guess I should be happy at least some people realize its not me posting that garbage
Can Michael Kay try to jinx Sabathia anymore?
hey mo’s flatulence…
isn’t there a boston blog for you to play in?
Cone seems like he would trade 5 years of his life to get to pitch one more game…
By the way speaking of jinxes….
How many times is Kay going to mention about Sabathia…every out?
Announcers shouldn’t even make a big deal about such games until at least the 5th-6th inning.
Its like Kay WANTS him to lose the no-no.
sar515
June 26th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
hey mo’s flatulence…
isn’t there a boston blog for you to play in?
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Boston blogs stink. They all have Boston accents there
Miggs-
I just said the same thing. Unbelievable
SNY is currently gushing over A-Rod and Kate Hudson’s romance. Apparently she is in the front row.
miggs, I’m thinking that it’s the magic words that are the no no and I don’t think Kay has used them yet.
Sar515, I emailed Pete and asked him to ban Mo’sflatcutter. Hopefully he’ll do it.
Sabathia’s stuff is… sick.
He’s hitting 97, 98. Dropping curves and changeups into the zone. Jeez..
Hopefully he can keep it up and get a win.
Sabathia should buy A-Rod a beer for that
I hate Michael Kay. Man oh man he’s annoying
Arod helps out Sabathia!!
NOW I think Kay has done it.
GRRR!!!!!
Alex showing off for Kate!!!
Sterling just jinxed it as well
Can we honestly say that we can breathe some air now that CC is dealing in the upper 90′s? I was sickly scared when he left in the 2nd inning a few days back.. anyone else?
Alex has made two nice plays, one that there on Wright, and snaring a line drive by I forget who. That’s the kind of luck a pitcher needs to, well, you know….
57 pitches for CC
Trish-
He said “perfect” about 100 million times. Isn’t that just as bad?
The heat must have been really tough in Atlanta.
McCann out tonight because he was feeling light headed from catching multiple days in the heat and humidity.
Either that or Jurjenns doesn’t like throwing to him.
no such thing as jinx…… I have to tell myself that in order to stay sane.
You can’t jinx something that’s meant to be!
“Sabathia’s stuff is… sick.
He’s hitting 97, 98. Dropping curves and changeups into the zone. Jeez..”
Yes, right into Cervelli’s motionless and waiting glove.
nice trish…
thanks
We have a nice group of posters in here right now. Pleasant in-game thread.
I guess it wouldn’t this way if the team was losing.
(sigh) Cano grounds out before the cameras come back from commercial.
Wow that’s a quick 2 outs. Cervelli needs to take some pitches here.
Erica – I guess I effectively tune him out because yes that is absolutely as bad.
Mets had their brief chance in the first inning. CC has now settled in.
And worse for the Mets its real clear that their line up cannot handle CC’s fastball.
He’s dominating them essentially with that one pitch – his fastball. 74% of all of his pitches so far have been fastballs.
He’s hardly needed to go to his secondary stuff and still has that in his back pocket.
Doreen once described the in-game thread when the Yanks are winning perfectly. I am going to try to quote her-
She said, “Its like when you throw a party and the noisy guests leave and your friends stay to help you clean”
Trish-
Kay was kind of rambling that last inning a lot. But between innings everytime a batter made out he yelled “perfect”. So annoying. And I like Kay too, but that bothers me
OMg-
If you took a shot everytime Key used the P-word you would be SO drunk
They had Pelfrey at a point where they could knock him out of the game, and the offense gave him 2 easy innings to let him pitch into the 6th.
Unbelievable what this team does sometimes. They are incredibly inconsistent within games even. All they had to do was stand there and take a pitch or two every at bat, and Pelfrey would be gone, but they couldn’t do that. Yes, you have a lead, but stop trying to pad your own stats and realize this game is not necessarily over with a 4 run lead, even with CC on the mound.
When hitters start hacking early in the count, their chance of reaching base drops dramatically from what it would be if they took a few pitches and got a better pitch to hit. That’s common sense, but it continues to elude this team on a daily basis. When you swing at the first pitches, the pitcher stops throwing early in the count strikes, and you start helping him out. If they just stood there, Pelfrey would probably fall behind them.
Thanks to Cano and Melky (saw three pitches) thats a quick inning of rest for CC.
Those two should never bat back to back. 6 ABs tonight – they have seen 18 pitches.
“Sabathia’s stuff is… sick.”
Compare his stuff right now with Santana’s.
No comparison.
His average fastball velocity this game is 94.3. He’s hit 98.
His change up is ridiculous and his slider is one of the game’s best.
The opportunity to sign him on the market without giving up any talent was a gift.
Sterling says it for a 3rd time.
NO!!!!!!!!!
thanks kay
Mo’sflatcutter
June 26th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
CC is PERFECT through 4 Innings
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Note to Pete- BAN THIS TROLL IMMEDIATELY
YOU GO MICHAEL KAY!
LOUSE.
Erica, that sums it up pretty well.
Oh, shoot – one of the noisy guests just came back.
4-1
Stay focused CC!
Sheffield spoiling it…
Perfection’s promise plundered…
CC back to work…
Absolutely horrible pitch selection by Cervelli.
Should have kept blowing him away
Only Matt can come in and whine.
Good job. He can’t touch your fastball, and you throw him your breaking ball. That wasn’t even a bad pitch, but that’s an example of what I mean when I say you threw the wrong pitch at the wrong time, and that’s where pitch selection beats you.
Erica, drop Pete an email. Maybe coming from someone other than me he’ll take it seriously…
So here in Binghamton My 8 or 9 or whatever it is is only in SD OTA… so I have my DirecTV on SNY HD and my stereo on the audio from my media center with My 8… and would you believe the audio synchs up perfectly…
it’s just weird seeing Keith Hernandez talking and hearing Michael Kay… but I guess it’s better than listening to them.
Sabathia still has electric stuff, he has to settle down here and get some outs.
A-rod is looking better at third, maybe that’s a sign those 2 days off helped?
Maybe I spoke too soon regarding the in-game thread……
Great concentration by Tex getting the force out with the bat flying by.
“A-rod is looking better at third, maybe that’s a sign those 2 days off helped?”
Agreed. A week ago there’s no chance he makes that play.
This is a very encouraging sign. If he responds to rest then all they need to do is to continue the discipline needed to make sure he gets the proper time off.
I’ve tried to figure it out. There is a definite group of posters who are here complaining when the Yankees are losing. They are quite vocal. If you stop to think about it, you’ll notice that just about all of them are absent right now. So I always wonder if they are just in the background, waiting for something to go wrong so they can start to complain. Or do they watch games and then just fire up the computer if things go wrong? They definitely aren’t here throwing daisies during good times!
Come on CC battle
miggs, the only way this game thread remains placid is if the Yankees have a 10 run lead OR if they maintain a shut out until the last out…
It would be a great time for dp here.
Hitters can’t touch Sabathia’s fastball. So what do we do? We throw them BREAKING BALLS, helping them out.
What are these guys doing? It makes absolutely no sense to not just challenge these guys.
This is what I fear about perfect games that are broken up. Sabathia is pitching from the stretch for the first time all night.
come on CC
next pitch dp or k
CC shook off cervelli to throw a fastball.
Imagine CC’s nerve.
Trish-
I have a guy friend who is your typical pessimistic Yankee fan. Like the trolls on here x 12. I don’t even actually think he likes the Yankees at all. Last week, he posted a facebook update that all Yankee fans should boycott all Yankee related games, Tv, merchandise, etc until Girardi & Cashman are fired.
I never, ever hear from him when the Yanks are playing well. However, he texts me every night during a loss.
The point I am trying to make- some people just need to complain. They can’t deal with happy.
k
Good call there.
Matt-
Can you do us a favor and apply to chart pitches for the Yankees? Obviously, you know a lot about pitch selection. Maybe you should show up at the next spring training for the catchers job as a non-roster non-invitee
If you could have Sabathia or Beckett, which one would you choose?
“If you stop to think about it, you’ll notice that just about all of them are absent right now”
Trisha – they are like roaches when the lights come on. Yankee wins are like good exterminators.
That slider is one of the pitches that makes CC special.
Left handed pitcher who is able to throw a right handed batter a slider that he has no chance of handling.
That slider buried to the back foot of right handed pitchers is just a great pitch.
Reminds me a little bit of Steve Carlton.
“If you could have Sabathia or Beckett, which one would you choose?”
Sabathia in the regular season. Beckett in October.
Hank, I’d choose Sabathia because he is a lefty and Beckett is a right-handed pitcher.
Even though CC lost the perfect game and the shutout, he’s still had an absolutely dominating performance. Granted it’s against a team that is filled with no name players aside from Wright and Sheffield, it’s a very encouraging sign because these are the types of games the Yankees have struggled in lately.
way to get out of it
Is Leiter drinking on the job? Why on earth would Billy Wagner be a big boost to the Mets when they have K-Rod?
80 pitches for CC
The Mets being so injury-riddled means their bench is a joke.
This guy Reyes is the first PH off their bench?
They should easily take 2 of 3 in this series and checking the pitching matchups could realistically sweep all 3.
That would be a huge way to end interleague play.
CC K’s Reyes!
CC is just ridiculous. What a great pitcher.
That slider to right handed hitters is just amazing.
For a lefty pitcher to make righty hitters look that awful on a breaking pitch is very rare.
Hey, guys -
I’m so worn out today. I’ve got my eyes half-closed during this game. Or, half-open.
And too lazy to post much.
Why did Kay have to talk about being “perfect” through 4? Aren’t there several other ways to get the point across without being so blatant about it? Not that I believe in jinxes, but…
Nice job settling down, CC.
CC seems to have one inning a start where he struggles. Sometimes at the end of his outing, sometimes somewhere in the middle. At least it looks that way to me.
Technically, if a pitcher drives in a run himself, he shoudl get credit for a shutout even if he give up a run. It’s only fair.
“If you could have Sabathia or Beckett, which one would you choose?”
Sabathia in the regular season. Beckett in October.
I wonder if Beckett will get a huge contract from Boston
“I never, ever hear from him when the Yanks are playing well. However, he texts me every night during a loss.
The point I am trying to make- some people just need to complain. They can’t deal with happy.”
Erica I believe you are right. I think the need to find a negative is actually a personality trait.
Matt
yeah right
two strike-outs on two sliders
those are breaking balls right
the negatives are in on it tonight
Hi Doreen!!!
Scroll up. I quoted you about 15 minutes ago
“If you could have Sabathia or Beckett, which one would you choose?”
Sabathia and it’s not that close. Go back and actually look at Beckett’s production. It’s not that great. CC’s been a considerably better pitcher over his career.
Being a Yankee fan , I never listen to the Mets on SNY. But I don’t get MY9 so I’m watching on SNY….Boy, the Mets announcers are so much better than the Yankee bunch…(although I like Singleton & the occasional O’Neil guest spot)
CC get that run back
The Mets obviously want the lefty Misch to pitch to CC.
Trish-
Oddly enough, this is also a person who hates their job and can’t keep a girlfriend. He doesn’t understand either why every girl he dates loses interest in him after a month.
Instead of trying to change his outlook, he blames the “crazy girls”
“Trisha – they are like roaches when the lights come on. Yankee wins are like good exterminators.”
Thanks, Erica.
That may be the first time I’ve been quoted in my life!
UPDATE, 8:48 p.m.: This lineup is Wright, Sheff and and assorted bums.
Castillo .281
Cora .262
Tatis .259
Church .274
Evans .444
Santos .279
Pete – not household names – but not “bum” averages.
Here – I’ll set you up for a slam dunk. Those guys are all hitting better than Arod.
Doreen
June 26th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Thanks, Erica.
That may be the first time I’ve been quoted in my life!
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Hahaha. It was a great line. I always give credit where credit is due
“Oddly enough, this is also a person who hates their job and can’t keep a girlfriend. He doesn’t understand either why every girl he dates loses interest in him after a month.”
Erica, you just described every one of my friends and I want to thank you for making my night haha
Gardy has to run here, no biggie if Damon leads off next inning.
GGBH for GGBG
DT-
I think those average might be skewed. A lot of those guys were recently called up when the regulars went on the DL (the Mets have a nasty rash of injuries). Without a lot of ABs, an average could look undeservedly great.
Although, if they have a large amount of ABs- I just typed all of this for nothing
Tex going yard!
Tex in the Citi!!
Ramey-
I aim to please. LOL
GGSB for GGBG
This stinks. I didn’t start Gardner in fantasy baseball tonight.
This may seem heretical to say, but I think Citi Field’s field level aesthetic looks nicer than the new Stadium.
Gardner brings a great dimension to this offense.
If he gets a decent jump,the catcher has basically no chance.
“This stinks. I didn’t start Gardner in fantasy baseball tonight.”
Get him in there!
I would love to have Carl Crawford and BG in the same lineup with Damon at DH.
Let’s be honest, they did a nice job with new Shea. Of course, they didn’t have to beat much. The field is a little too cute for me, but that’s just my taste. At some point I’ll have to go there to see for myself.
Watching GGBG run reminds me of those really old baseball clips from the 40s and 50s where it looks like the runners are in fast forward… except it’s not in fast forward
“This may seem heretical to say, but I think Citi Field’s field level aesthetic looks nicer than the new Stadium.”
Aside from that ugly outfield fence. And what’s with the “home run line” lining the top of it? Over fence = HR, not over fence = in play. It’s not that hard. You don’t need a line.
PruBelongs, I can’t. There’s a deadline you have to put your roster in by and I missed it. I need stolen bases to catch up to a couple of people in front of me in the standings too.
“Gardner brings a great dimension to this offense.
If he gets a decent jump,the *catcher* has basically no chance.”
now if I was a Truther instigator, I would say it depends on the catcher. Good thing GGBG is on our side.
the mets announcers are talking right now about how Sabathia is getting impatient with the grounds crew and ron darling said in his day he would just move to another part of the mound haha
I have tickets to see Paul McCartney at CitiField in July. I am SO excited. Sir Paul is pretty much the only thing that could get me to Flushing
What are they bringing in dirt from Ebbets Field???
Erica I think the term is “toxic personality”. Someone where I used to work (that feels SOOO weird to say) was talking about that one day and I thought it was such a good term.
Here is one of the traits of a toxic personality. Tell me if you’ve seen that person here!
“…there are those who are the ultimate pessimist, often arguing they are, instead, realists. The pessimist awakes each day anticipating the worst will happen and, ultimately, feels this is the best way to prepare for the doom and gloom of life. While most of their well thought out demise of life does not pan out the way they believed it would, the pessimist is great at destroying your own confidence in the world you live in. Because the pessimist can create a depressing and exhausting life for you, it is best to simply avoid this personality type.”
“There’s a deadline you have to put your roster in by and I missed it. I need stolen bases to catch up to a couple of people in front of me in the standings too.”
Ohh I know – I mean starting tomorrow!
This is a ridiculous waste of time.
Citifield Ground’s crew= efficiency at work
Carl-
I think Gardner is enough. We don’t need Crawford, and should spend the money elsewhere.
I’m actually starting to come around a bit on the ‘cisco kid behind the plate…they seem more dynamic with him in the lineup and the field than Posada.
Why do they have red colors? Should be blue or orange.
It would seem the ol’ CF competition is quite effective.
Trish-
You hit the nail on the head. In fact, he is so much of a “realist” he told me I live in a dream world.
I don’t talk to him much anymore. And when I get his Yankee texts I ignore them. I learned writing back only encourages it.
Either that was an intentional attempt to disrupt Sabathia’s rhythm, or the Mets have the most incompetent grounds crew in a long time.
“Why do they have red colors? Should be blue or orange.”
I was expecting Domino Pizza uniforms actually.
Doreen-
Girardi loves to say that competition brings out the best in players
Why do the red sox keep changing their uniforms? They had some of the most iconic home and road uniforms in the game. And all of a sudden they keep coming up with new cpas and colors? Embarrassing.
I am desperate for anything I can get in fantasy baseball. Today I forgot that Chicago had an early start so didn’t set my roster until after I got home late in the afternoon. Scott Posednik went 2/5 with a SB. I intentionally sat the elf since he has been stinking out the joint. So far tonight the elf has gone 2/4 with 2 runs and an RBI.
Is anyone else’s MLBTV all farkled up?
@PruBelongs
I was speaking more in terms of the infield. It seems warmer and less “corporate” than the new Stadium. Maybe because there are not swaths of empty seats.
The outfield is not anything special.
That was a beautiful pitch to fan Wright.
CC! 90 pitches
CB-
They need to squeeze as much revenue as they possibly can from the fanbase. They have a small stadium and there is only so much they can raise tickets- which limits their revenue stream.
Selling extra jerseys like, “the 3rd Tuesday on the road” uniform- is a great way to raise money
“miggs
June 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Carl-
I think Gardner is enough. We don’t need Crawford, and should spend the money elsewhere.
I’m actually starting to come around a bit on the ‘cisco kid behind the plate…they seem more dynamic with him in the lineup and the field than Posada.”
Dude. GET your own freaking name.
I’m going to email Pete again, its absurd this clown is still allowed to post.
Well I guess if MosFlatCutter can still post, then I shouldn’t be surprised you’re still allowed in here.
Its pretty sad though. What happened? Do you like me or something? Have some weird obsession with my posts? Why me child?
Erica -
I love Paul McCartney. Seriously. Fell in love with him the first time I heard/saw him in glorious black & white (television). I was devastated when he married Heather Mills. (I exaggerate, but not by much.)
Enjoy the concert.
I saw him last time around, several years ago (Back in the U.S. tour). Was amazing! I couldn’t believe how good he looked on the Grammys this year.
CB
Keep changing their uniforms because they smell
Why is YES showing SNY commercials?
I love the sign behind home plate (I’m stuck watching SNY)
losmets.com
the first few times I saw it – I thought it said “lose mets”
CB – More merchandise to sell?
CC just struck out Wright on the same sequence that Sheffield hit a HR. 2 FBs, Slider.
“miggs
June 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Carl-
I think Gardner is enough. We don’t need Crawford, and should spend the money elsewhere.
I’m actually starting to come around a bit on the ‘cisco kid behind the plate…they seem more dynamic with him in the lineup and the field than Posada.”
Dude, why me?
Just get your own name. Express your views as yourself.
I’m shocked you’re still able to post, I’m going to email Pete again.
“I’m actually starting to come around a bit on the ‘cisco kid behind the plate…they seem more dynamic with him in the lineup and the field than Posada.”
I don’t care which Miggs said this. It is obviously a very smart Miggs!
Doreen-
My dad made sure I was raised on classic rock. This is actually my 3rd Paul McCartney show. I saw him in April 2002 and then on his Driving Rain Tour (not sure of the year). When they announced these shows I NEEDED to be there.
I can sing every song off every Beatles album, but Paul will always be my favorite Beatle
miggs,
Dude, why me?
lmao
Cashman will now be busy shopping for a RH hitting corner OF. It’s a bad time for Nady to be hurt during a contract year. Somebody will pick him up next year on the cheap but not the Yankees.
Doesn’t the money the Red Sox make off of the third jersey sales (all jersey sales, really) go into revenue sharing?
Citifield is a really pretty stadium. I think the brick in the HP area always makes a stadium feel warm. Their HR line is weird, though — up, down, and sideways, literally – all around the outfield. There are some things Iike better there than at YS. But some things Iike better about YS.
I think the City of NY is very fortunate to have two gorgeous ballparks.
“CC just struck out Wright on the same sequence that Sheffield hit a HR. 2 FBs, Slider.”
It’s not the catcher’s pitch calling that matters. It’s the execution of the pitch.
The back foot slider CC has dominated hitters with tonight was the same exact pitch that he gave up the 3 run dinger on to Washington.
It’s the execution of the pitch that matters. That’s particularly true for talented pitchers which the yankees staff is filled with. It’s strange that this is such a difficult point for people to understand.
“Why is YES showing SNY commercials?”
Same reason Boston has multi colored uniforms on Friday nights. $$$$$
Erica and Doreen, I saw Paul McCartney in concert in the Meadowlands in 1989. It was the best concert I’ve ever been too.
“the first few times I saw it – I thought it said “lose mets”
Tom in N.J.
June 26th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Doesn’t the money the Red Sox make off of the third jersey sales (all jersey sales, really) go into revenue sharing?
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I have absolutely no idea
Good hustle by both guys.
Miggs has an impostor or a split personality.
God I wish CC was up with the bases loaded
Watch for the squeeze.
Cano once again acting like a lazy dog busting it out of the gate to take that extra base on Tatis.
Very good to see Alex being able to go first to third on that play (though he still wasn’t running smoothly).
Sean-
I will second that. I have seen Fleetwood Mac and Stevie & Co a combined 12+ times (I kind of lost count)…
But that first Paul McCartney show in 2002 was an unforgettable experience and the best hands down. I actually found myself crying at various times during the concert. And laughing hysterically at others- he forgot the words to “You never give me your money” so he just made up a verse instead that was really funny. It was just completely amazing
I don’t think they squeeze with A-Rod on third, but otherwise I’d love to see it. Cervelli is one of the few Yanks I feel somewhat confident about lifting the ball for the sac fly.
“Selling extra jerseys like, “the 3rd Tuesday on the road” uniform- is a great way to raise money”
I know. I guess it was more of rhetorical question. It’s just embarrassing for the game. In ways that the mets wearing black jersey’s isn’t.
When I think of the Sox uniform I see Ted Williams. And Ted Williams was never wearing hoisery on his head or a red jersey.
Elmer The Great!
sorry, a Joe E. Brown reference there.
DT this person has been posting under my name sporadically for 5 days now.
Usually trashing Posada.
he or she is persistent, I’ll give ‘em that.
“It’s not the catcher’s pitch calling that matters. It’s the execution of the pitch.”
CB that’s not necessarily the alpha and the omega on that matter. If you remember Olney’s column he stated that a GM and some scouts (I think I have the exact parties correct but will try to find the article to be sure) were criticizing Jorge’s pitch selection when CC opened at the Stadium because Jorge supposedly kept insisting on one pitch in particular and the pitch continued to get hit. It wasn’t poor execution of the pitch but the pitch selection.
when was the last time we saw a sac fly?
Very poor fundamental baseball by Cervelli there. Have to get the run home with an out late in a game.
CB.
Kind of like the jumbo tron in centerfield and the moat. Different team, different way to make money.
-dennis
would you have used bench there?
CB
June 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Cano once again acting like a lazy dog busting it out of the gate to take that extra base on Tatis.
Very good to see Alex being able to go first to third on that play (though he still wasn’t running smoothly).
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More of a gallop than his normal smooth glide.
Gotta give Castillo credit. He has handled that “situation” very well.
sweet lou, i was gonna say the same thing
Again, runner at 3rd, less than 2 outs, they do not drive him in.
It’s not even about this game. If this team doesn’t start to score these runs, they aren’t going to beat teams like Boston, or win against a tough pitcher in the playoffs.
You have to be able to get the simple things done, and this team more often than not cannot get in the “easy” runs.
Is this a choice? I like this Miggs better
that wasnt a good time to have cisco and pena up…
Sweet_Lou_in_Vermont June 26th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
when was the last time we saw a sac fly?
I mean, me personally, would rather see a double.
obviously the game plan is to pop it up to Castillo.
These guys need to stop going to Arod for advice.
“It wasn’t poor execution of the pitch but the pitch selection.”
So well executed pitches kept getting hit???
u take away that second inning, this hasn’t been exactly bats on parade
Cervelli just missed.
I thought people who posted as regulars were going to be banned?
paplebum just gave up a dinger
Erica, wasn’t Hey Jude awesome? I don’t know if Sir Paul still does this when he performs Hey Jude but he started the song off with a really fast corny song that no one has ever heard of and then all of a sudden… “Hey Jude…”
More like, “Heyyyy Jude.”
nice play melky…almost over ran it
miggs – you should email Pete with the times your troll posted. Should be easy to see the IPs don’t match.
“Kind of like the jumbo tron in centerfield and the moat. Different team, different way to make money.”
dennis,
Your right. And I know that the size limitations of Fenway have made revenue generation a real problem for the sox.
It’s arbitrary but to me uniforms are just different.
There’s a few iconic uniforms in the game. And the Red Sox uniform – especially the home uniforms are one of them.
Times change I know. But the uniform thing just gets me in the way a jumbotron a moat doesn’t.
The new yankee stadium is ridiculous in this respect obviously. That stupid add whistle after strike outs is a joke.
But uniforms IMO are just different.
As a Seinfeld lover you yourself should know -
All we have is the laundry to root for.
double off of pap smear
Sean-
YES!!! I remember waiting on a massive line of people thru a crowded staircase trying to get downstairs at MSG after the concert and someone started singing Hey Jude. And pretty soon, there was a big crowd sing along as we exited the Garden.
Whining when they are winning? How obtuse. I guess at least it isn’t essay length. Lol
seems like cc’s over the “dead arm”
You guys think CC will bat next inning?
“I thought people who posted as regulars were going to be banned?”
Angel I informed Pete a few days ago and he deleted the fake posts. But if MosFlatCutter hasn’t been banned, how can I expect this clown to be?
Luckily most people know when its not me.
Yeah he will bat
“More of a gallop than his normal smooth glide.”
Yeah. A gallop with a bit of a hitch even.
I am very encouraged with how he’s looked physically since that two day break.
He’s looked much better both at the plate and in the field. He made several fine plays in the field today that he wouldn’t make last week.
I think they may need to trade for a 3b to give him more time as a DH.
Well done CC
Milton Bradley and Pinella fighting in the dugout tonight.
And I jsut posted something earlier today about Bradley having issues
I’d let CC bat, but maybe pinch run for him if he only hits a single.
“miggs – you should email Pete with the times your troll posted. Should be easy to see the IPs don’t match.”
I’ve already done that DT. I guess Pete chose not to ban the guy or hasn’t had time.
We should be like good Yankee parents and love all our Yankee catchers equally. It doesn’t matter if they have big ears or mesmerizing eyes. They both wear the interlocking NY
>when was the last time we saw a sac fly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGD1_o3VQyc
# Pel June 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
>when was the last time we saw a sac fly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGD1_o3VQyc
…lmfao!
Is Mo available tonight?
My understanding of the jersey sales is this: MLB distributes revenues from any merchandise sales equally among all teams.
The Red Sox jersey is property of MLB, not the Red Sox, so it’s divvied up.
Feel free to dispute if you know otherwise…pretty sure I’m correct.
What is Swisher doing?
Elmer scrub…throwing breaking balls to cc come on
Gardner for Rookie of the Year? who else is in the race?
Erica – newly OPPC
June 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Milton Bradley and Pinella fighting in the dugout tonight.
And I jsut posted something earlier today about Bradley having issues
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HAHA. I said it at 4:43 in this thread. I am such a prophet!
Erica -
2002 was the concert I saw. It was emotional. He did tributes to John Lennon and George Harrison, as well as a 9/11 tribute. Beatles medley. It was so different from the one I saw him at in Giants Stadium, which had a lot of special effects. Bigger arena, bigger show, I guess. That concert I remember the “Live and Let Die” fireworks.
But my favorite was seeing him perform at the Superbowl in 2005. Because that was a complete surprise. I knew he was performing and one day my husband came home from work and told me we had the opportunity to go to the superbowl. My first reaction was, “Yes! I’m gonna see Paul McCartney.” (The superbowl experience wasn’t too shoddy, either!)
Hopefully the Yanks left some flu bugs behind in the visitor clubhouse when they left Hotlanta. Achoo!
CC gets into that spot of trouble after losing the no hitter (as always seems to happen when a hitter loses a no hitter…). He throws 23 pitches in the 5th.
He comes back to retire the side on 10 pitches in the 6th. And then the side on 9 pitches in the 7th.
He’s at 99 pitches. I’d rather they not let him get past 110 pitches or so.
BG!!!
GARDY!
NO 500 save more MO
GGHR!
GARDNER BOMBER TO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!
OHHHHHHHHHH BOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!
Brett!!!?
Gardner!
This is just painful. I can’t believe I didn’t start Gardner.
YEA GARDNER!!!!!!!!!!!
Woo Hoo GGBG!
Gardenhoser ?
Gardner showing power.
That’s why all this baloney about trying to recoup DiceK’s signing bonus in Sox gear sales in Japan is just that – baloney.
Holy Cow!!!!
How did that happen???
Gardner’s having a great night, wouldn’t you say?
That HR was for Bodi.
CB.
Well said. The uniforms are different, however things get too divided between “ggod and evil” IMO when it comes to teams making money. Besides, I just missed a night of baseball at a gallery opening night that Amy is a part of so I am either annoyed at missing the Sox or really buzzed, but either way as always really proud of my wife Amy!
-dennis
CB, this is what I was talking about. This is from Olney’s article. It isn’t only about pitch execution, obviously.
“Posada is sometimes at odds on pitch selection with his pitchers, which is not unusual — but what is very different is how Posada will often persist with his own pitch selection. When A.J. Burnett pitched in Boston last week, he sometimes shook off Posada, and Posada would keep putting down the same sign: No, seriously, I want you to throw the fastball. Sometimes the hitter would call time out and step out of the box, or sometimes Posada would wind up jogging out to the mound to discuss the disagreement, even if the count was 3-1 or 3-2. Posada didn’t mean it this way, but one talent evaluator felt it had all the effect of icing a kicker; Burnett simply couldn’t get into any rhythm with all the stopping and starting.”
“Here’s the thing: The Yankees have the makings of a terrific rotation. They’re paying CC Sabathia $161 million, and Burnett $82.5 million, and they believe that Joba Chamberlain has the stuff to be an elite starting pitcher. A lot of scouts and executives watching the Yankees feel Posada should just let the pitchers throw what they want to throw. “When he caught Sabathia on opening day, I couldn’t believe what he was doing, pushing his own (pitch selection),” said one GM.”
GGBG!!!!!!!!
Sean- please stop kicking yourself. I feel you doing it from here
In my only non-OPPC rant of the night –
HR ???
good going Gardner you bum. How are you going to steal bases if you don’t get on base!
They don’t pay you to hit homers. This is what’s wrong with this team!!!
bandbox!
>NO 500 save more MO
There’s only one way for Mo to get into this game, and we don’t want that.
Erica, there might not ever be another Paul McCartney. What was so amazing is that two great song writers, perhaps the best of all time, just happen to live in the same town.
Sean if it makes you feel any better I started Gardner
Keith just said Gardenhoser leads the AL rookies production
I didn’t know that.
A-ROD IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well I have him on my fantasy team?
My mother saw the Beatles at Shea.
I’m taking her to see sir Paul at Citi. I grew up with his music in my house. Plus, I have my mom’s old Beatles dolls on my desk at work.
I’m not trying to convince anybody but these patronizing boards are also a pain. Water is wet, and how come you don’t realize it. Some study decided that game calling makes no difference, you can repeat that ad infinitum, it is still wrong. Why would a pitcher and catcher go over the hitters pregame? Basic Baseball. Rivera has made a career of going up and down the strike zone, the reason is to change the hitting plane. Basic Baseball. Hughes pitching against Atlanta, 067 batter at the plate, seven out of the eight pitches were outside, struck out on the ninth pitch up and in. Now you can tell me about execution. Posada has done that throughout his career, he will fall in love with the outside corner. It’s great that people are discussing different facets of the game. That’s what the board is for. But don’t hurl thunderbolts from Olympus.
AROD opposite much?
ARod!
That’s the swing I’ve missed.
Take that Buster Olney!!!!!!!
Hes back folks!!
A-Rod!!!!
Tack on runs are ALWAYS good – and lots of fun!
A Rod says, sit back down Mo. Oh and you too Reggie.
please take cc out…let him rest
What a bandbox! This stadium is a joke.
woohoo, alex!
woohoo, alex!
Congrats ARod for passing Mr. October.
Alex is gettin’ some tonite!!!
Doreen-
I was at the same show!!! I cried a lot that night. Especially since it was right after my mother died. His tributes really hit home for me.
Paul McCartney is just amazing
Gardner hit a HR in Citi Field? LOL Wow.J
Must be the windstream from the Bronx
they keep showing Kate Hudson on SNY
This is wonderful. Get CC out of the game now and give his arm some needed rest.
Nothing wrong with him only throwing 99 pitches in a game.
Alex looks so good right now. To go to right field in that ball park is very difficult.
What a talent.
I think Elmer is doing a wonderful job
I should say, I’m taking my mom to see Billy Shears at Citi.
Tom in N.J. -
That is sooo cool! Full circle.
So, your mom was one of those screaming teenagers they always show?
my apologies for the double posts, having laptop issues
I agree. Let CC rest. Bruney looked rusty last time out. Give him some work.
Makes you wonder if Yankee stadium is really a bandbox or if Yankee players are just good HR hitting players. I wonder how many less HR’s the Yankees would have if they played at Citifield? A bunch less, but still way more than the Mets.
That’s not nice PruBelongs. At least I have A-Rod though. lol.
Brandon-
They are not used to celebrities in Flushing
Nice offensive outburst. Hitters back on track.
Career game for Gardner. Alex back in the swing of things. Cc throwing darts.
“The uniforms are different, however things get too divided between “ggod and evil” IMO when it comes to teams making money.”
Very true.
More importantly – is Amy an artists? Was she showing at the gallery?
If so congrats! That more than makes up for missing a night of baseball.
Forget annoyed. We’ll chalk it up to buzzed!
Only the Mets
Tom, you and others are going to make me try to get tickets to the concert.
Man, these Cervelli/Posada “quips” are REALLY getting old. Just leave it alone already, for the readers’ sake.
LOL- I think the Mets need a nap
Great start here for Parnell
This is just the start for Gardner.
Despite CitiField having large gaps/demensions it’s not that hard to hit HRs there. I believe the park is in the top 10 in HRs allowed.
Sean-
I am going to the third, Tuesday show
“We should be like good Yankee parents and love all our Yankee catchers equally. It doesn’t matter if they have big ears or mesmerizing eyes. They both wear the interlocking NY”
DT, I don’t think it’s a matter of love. I think it’s a matter of preference. I don’t “love” any Yankee player more than another. Yet if one has a hot bat and the other is stone cold and it’s a matter of preferring one over the other in the lineup, I will take the hot bat.
Since I believe that at this point in time anyway Cervelli is working better with the pitchers than Posada is, I would prefer to see him behind the dish.
It’s strange that this is such a difficult point for people to understand.
Melk needs to do something here to answer Gardy. (Walks as I type.)
Mets lead the league in balks?
Erica, the brown hair looks good on her, she’s there w/ a gf too.
Great to see GGBG have a great day – love that kid.
Saw him at a memorabilia show and he just sauntered through the crowd on his way to a table – no one knew who he was. Physically, not imposing.
I think the next time he tries it he may get mobbed.
The kind of player you want your son to watch play.
Maybe CC likes Cervelli’s eyes?
“Mets lead the league in balks?”
A few weeks ago Pelfrey had a really bad night and balked 3 times. I didn’t know that was possible in the big leagues
CB.
http://www.amyfarrellphotography.com
More importantly she is a great person.
-dennis
“Despite CitiField having large gaps/demensions it’s not that hard to hit HRs there. I believe the park is in the top 10 in HRs allowed.”
Citifield has been one of the hardest parks in all of the game to hit home runs in. It’s depressed home runs a great deal. It’s behaved almost like a petco east.
GGBG. Any chance he gets some votes for AL ROY?
CB
June 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
“More of a gallop than his normal smooth glide.”
Yeah. A gallop with a bit of a hitch even.
I am very encouraged with how he’s looked physically since that two day break.
He’s looked much better both at the plate and in the field. He made several fine plays in the field today that he wouldn’t make last week.
I think they may need to trade for a 3b to give him more time as a DH.
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I don’t really notice it that much except on taking the extra base. It’s unusual to see him not really airing it out on the grounders, though, I’m sure he was told to ease up on the sprints to first. I think we may have seen the last of his 20 steal seasons, though. Like Jeter, his power and base running helped to set him apart from other shortstops/third basemen.
Brandon-
My TV will not allow me to put on SNY. As I have told every Met fan I have dated- my TV does not show that channel
Erica -
“Memory Almost Full” CD, the song “The End,” I think it’s called – the first time I heard it, I literally sobbed out loud.
(The way I thought about Michael Jackson started to change when I found out he bought the Beatles catalog, soon after making some songs with McCartney.)
I used to tell my husband that the only competition he had was Paul McCartney (and for a time, Robert Redford).
“GGBG. Any chance he gets some votes for AL ROY?”
I haven’t heard much about Weiters lately… who else is there?
UPDATE, 10:29 p.m.: Sam Borden called it as he sat next to me. Of course, that one was easy to call. Elmer Dessens? Yankees up by four runs? Ka-boom!
Crushed that hanging slider.
“GGBG. Any chance he gets some votes for AL ROY?”
surprisingly unless Keith is full of it, he leads in every category for rookies. Josh Fields will win it w/o a doubt.
Jeff –
On any given day, the Yanks can put 7 LH hitters in the lineup in that home ballpark, all of whom can poke one out.
The stadium’s right-field wall may be shorter, but 7 LH hitters illuminates the architectural issues – for a Yankee fan…in a good way.
ugh tomko
CC out. You have to trust your pen to hold a 6 run lead.
Nice let tomko finish out the game
It’s Paul McCartney. There arn’t many acts I’d go out of my way to see anymore, but he’s Macca, the Beatle. How often does one get to see a Beatle play live?
Erica, I just wanted to hear good play by play for once. I said WTH why not tonight.
for rookie of the year you cant be on the roster for more than 45 days…gardner definitly was last year right?…so hes not eligible right?…but i always hear commentators talk about how he is a rookie
denis,
Her photos are beatiful! I feel like i should have known that she was an artist.
The picture on her home page is particularly striking. It’s really wonderful.
arod is putting on a defensive clinic!
if tomko has trouble her,e it could be curtains for his career.
A-Rod’s cannon.
Wright would have thrown that ball into the seats.
here
Erica, if I go to the show on the same day you do, I’ll yell into the crowd, “HEYYYY, is Erica from the LoHud message board in this crowd??”
Porcello’s been getting a bit of buzz.
“It’s depressed homeruns a great deal”
Every time I watch a Mets game teams seam to have no issues hitting the ball out.
The park was talked about like it was impossible to hit a HR. I’ve seen the opposite.
Doreen-
It still drives me crazy that everytime I heard the Beatles on the radio, it was going towards MJ’s legal bills. Although, “Say Say Say” is a classic.
Alex is a monster
Can we find a way for Kate Hudson to be at every Yankee game this year, home and away?
David Wright watches and wonders
“why can’t I do that”
Arod is nasty
Youuuuuse love
Brandon-
Al Leiter is going to meet you under the O’Neill banner for that
Sean Serritella
June 26th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Erica, if I go to the show on the same day you do, I’ll yell into the crowd, “HEYYYY, is Erica from the LoHud message board in this crowd??”
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Hahaha. Bring a sign. Much more efficient than yelling
““GGBG. Any chance he gets some votes for AL ROY?”
I haven’t heard much about Weiters lately… who else is there?”
Rick Porcello is having a fantastic rookie season. What he’s doing at the age of 20 is amazing.
The only one close to Porcello is AL ROY is Elvis Andrus of Texas who is having a very nice year at SS.
Erica, know Al he’ll prbly throw 130 wild swings trying to strike me.
*knowing*
Elvis Andrus is slumping. It was on Yahoo today-
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bl.....ng-content
Oakland could have 2 or 3 ROY pitchers if they had any offense.
“for rookie of the year you cant be on the roster for more than 45 days”
http://www.baseball-reference......br01.shtml
This says Gardner played 42 games in 2008. I don’t know how often he rode the bench. I know they sent him back a few times because they wanted him to have full playing time. It’s probably close.
Nice inning from Paint-by-numbers.
Brandon… “R.I.P. King Of Pop”
June 26th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Erica, know Al he’ll prbly throw 130 wild swings trying to strike me.
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Personally, I find him to be the the second most dry YES announcer (Flaherty wins that title in a landslide). But maybe Leiter could talk you into submission
I never would have thought that Gardenhoser has a chance at ROY but I guess he does.
if Hughes continue to pitchgreat out of the pen and goes to the rotation next year Francesa…
if Hughes continue to pitchgreat out of the pen and goes to the rotation next year Francesa…
Talk radio tonight
“I think we may have seen the last of his 20 steal seasons, though. Like Jeter, his power and base running helped to set him apart from other shortstops/third basemen.”
I don’t GB7. I think we have to wait. I’m hopeful about his running. I think his hip really has a way to go to recover. His speed will come back. Jeter’s had a very nice resurgence in his base stealing this year.
And I really don’t care if he’s not killing himself to get down the line on routine outs. He needs to conserve himelf.
“I never would have thought that Gardenhoser has a chance at ROY but I guess he does.”
dont sound so excited
RalphieD: “for rookie of the year you cant be on the roster for more than 45 days…gardner definitly was last year right?”
Gardner played in 42 games last year.
El Nino is showing some real grit tonight
I guess Pena has been watching Tex and Jeter.
pena pipp
If you were told Jeter and Posada weren’t playing and Tex and Damon would go 0 for 9 – you wouldn’t think the Yanks would have 7 runs and double digit hits.
“dont sound so excited”
excited ? I’m shocked.
DT-
Thats why it drives me nuts when people call GGBG, Pena, Cervelli, etc “automatic outs”. Its so not true
Phil Youuuuuuussse-bullpen savior
“Gardner played in 42 games last year.”
correct but i believe the rule is 45 days on a major league roster…not games played
He played in 42 games, but how many games was he on the Bench for?
all the arod love tonight lol………. I don’t he liked being benched…err rested
“Elvis Andrus is slumping. It was on Yahoo today-”
Thanks Erica. Didn’t know that.
Andrus really fell of a cliff. Down to .257. He’s a talented ball player and a terrific defender. He could get hot again.
ROY in the AL is probably going to be porcello an wieters. Wieters is starting to pick it up.
The Gardner/Melky battle turned out to be two really decent outfielders instead of one, what with Matsui strictly a DH, Damon needing his rest, Nady finished and Swisher overexposed. Hey maybe this Nady thing is a blessing in disguise, if he gets no decent offers next year because of the injury/economy, he might re-sign with the Yankees (even a short-term deal) and give the Yanks another year to develop Austin Jackson.
oooooooh
Gardner!
5 hits for bg!
CYCLE?????????
gardner is simply a beast
GRIT GODNER!
5 hits
wow
Sean-
STOP KICKING YOURSELF!! You didn’t know
Gardner galloping…
A-Rod swinging for the moon…
An icon eclipsed…
Yanks farm products looking good tonight.
If CC wasn’t on base ahead of him earlier in the game, would Gardner have gotten a double? And then would he have hit for the cycle?
Most painful thing I witnessed personally but he’s helping the Yankees win.
Pete – hurry! Get down to Gardner’s locker now. It’s going to be crowded there tonight.
Brett’s really having trouble driving the ball, huh?
Oh my talk radio will be fun tonight!
Almost hit the cycle. Gardner’s breathing like that triple was a walk to 1B.
Damon’s laughing cause he only got a double!
save some runs for tomorrow
This is the third time this year Brett Gardner hit a triple and a home run in the same game.
nevermind too bad BG didnt get a double
I love triples.
I don’t want to jinx us but it seems when we have high scoring games our next games are flat. How about we end this scoring right here!
Alex go deep again!
SNY is showing Gardenhoser love, alot of of love even are marveling at his running style.
Doreen-
You are probably right. If CC wasn’t a slow runner we would definitely be looking at a cycle.
Thats no Alex!
CB
June 26th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
“I think we may have seen the last of his 20 steal seasons, though. Like Jeter, his power and base running helped to set him apart from other shortstops/third basemen.”
I don’t GB7. I think we have to wait. I’m hopeful about his running. I think his hip really has a way to go to recover. His speed will come back. Jeter’s had a very nice resurgence in his base stealing this year.
And I really don’t care if he’s not killing himself to get down the line on routine outs. He needs to conserve himelf.
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Well, like you, I’m hoping his base stealing comes around by next year. It really adds an important ingredient to his game. I couldn’t figure out Jeter’s drop in steals because he’s a young elder statesman. I would assume that his legs are really feeling much better this year. That spring seemed to be missing last year.
GGBG batting .303 now.
Mets announcers showering praise for Brett.
It is absolutely amazing that Gardner gets stand up double on for what most players would be a double.
You knew the minute that ball went into the corner it was going for 3.
If Gardner can even produce at the plate as a league average CF the yankees will have an enormously valuable asset.
Since that awful start he’s picked it up. The big question for Gardner since then has been whether he got better becuase he was playing less and thus exposed less or if he was adjusting.
He continues to play more and he continues to respond. They need to continue to give him more time to see if he can continue this level of play.
Keep hitting so Gardner gets up again!
I checked my cable guide and the post-game is on YES. THANK HEAVENS!
You can’t have a night like this and have to suffer Russ Salzberg. Blech!
I dost think “The Dead Bats Society” had been disbanded
3 straight games, 8 or more runs scored, first time this year.
Brett Garnder next Dustin Pedoria with more speed less power?
Any chance some sort of Double Switch nonsense gives Gardner an opportunity to hit that double?
Best and Worst Dressed Yankee on My9 later?
We need a superrally to get GGBG up again
“Brett Garnder next Dustin Pedoria with more speed less power?”
Gardner has more hair
What a game. I’ve been catching up via DVR and there hasn’t been much I’ve wanted to skip past. Just as I wrote before the game, this turned out to be a great night to give Posada a rest and play the inferior player, the hypnotic Mr. Cervelli. CC can do quite well on his own and now Jorge is rested for the rest of the series.
And how about that Brett Gardner!
I have a gut feeling GGBG will get the WWE belt tonight even without the cycle
WFAN tonight, A Gardner killed the Mets.
Gardner is still a rookie. It’s over 150 at bats, 50 innings pitched or over 45 days on the roster, not including September callups.
By the way, YES has a post-game show tonight…..thank heavens.
Great night so far – CC was great (and he did a very good job of getting out of the 5th), Alex is looking great again (that HR was a SHOT), Gardner 5 hits…..just a very good game. The AL EAST teams keep winning (thanks, Phillies – geez, they’ve gotten bombed by every team in the East except the Yankees), so this was necessary. The best news, though, is CC being healthy and Alex getting back on track…
“Kate Hudson in the house, I’m told. She might leave with Brett Gardner if Alex isn’t careful. ”
LOL LOL LOL
Brett Gardner = Last Run Scored at Old Yankee Stadium
Gardner initially struggles at every level, then masters it. Looks like Master Gardner has arrived.
“I checked my cable guide and the post-game is on YES.”
The one on SNY could be fun too.
Can CC and GGBG split “The Belt”??
also gardner could win ROY, amazing considering he hasn’t even really been an everyday player at all
sar515-
No. I don’t think its big enough for CC
erica…
How about a wristband???
The beauty of Yankees/Mets is I don’t have to suffer through an awful MY9 postgame, I’ll be tuning into SNY.
That lone Cowbell “Lets Go mets” sounded really pathetic
Someone asked yesterday why Brett Tomko is on this team.
THIS is why…nice to see our vaulable bpen guys getting a rest for a change.
Do we have a new leadoff hitter?
“Kate Hudson in the house, I’m told. She might leave with Brett Gardner if Alex isn’t careful.”
Hahaha
I wonder if in the recesses of any Yankee minds Phil Hughes is being groomed to be our next closer. He definitely has that Mo calmness about him.
Not what I would want, but something I’m wondering about.
“UPDATE, 10:52 p.m.: Yankees have 28 runs in their last three games. Joe Girardi is a genius. The ejection works again.”
What? Girardi is on MEDs? (Managerial Enhancing Drugs)
Oh wait… that’s injection, not ejection. Nevermind.
sar515
June 26th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
erica…
How about a wristband???
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yes, he can have that. I will allow it. Although, Johnny Damon (my pretend boyfriend) is the real commissioner
I’ll be tuning into SNY.
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Me too
anyone know BG’s 40 yard time?
I still can’t believe Gardenhoser aka Pedroia light 5 hits and IDK how many runs, P.S. Johnny your not that blind are you
If AJ has good command tomorrow – against this lineup, he should dominate.
Last night’s lead off hitter reached base 6 times…
Not so fast…
“Brett Garnder next Dustin Pedoria with more speed less power?”
The guy that you hope Gardner can become as best case scenario is another Brett – Brett Butler.
Brett Butler was the last really good player that I can think of who has the kind of skill set Gardner has. He was the last guy like that who could get on base at a very good rate.
Butler didn’t have much power but got on base at a .377 clip.
Gardner has much more speed than butler, however.
If Gardner ever started getting on base at a .370+ clip he’s steal over a 100 bases a year.
This is encouraging to say the least.
Trish-
Isn’t that what one of the greatest praises of Hughes was when he came up? No matter what, he never looked rattled. He remained so poised and calm
“Gardner is still a rookie. It’s over 150 at bats, 50 innings pitched or over 45 days on the roster, not including September callups”
so even though gardner was brought up on june 30th…the days of september dont count for rookie status?
“Brett Garnder next Dustin Pedoria with more speed less power?”
I have always said that…He just need to play his kind of game…He has always struggled at 1st then adjusted and play solid baseball
Why Giradi is a moron: He continues to platoon Gardner. Gardner is the man. Keep him in the game and never sit him. All he does is gets on base and scores runs. Melky is the worst. He was hot for a little while, sweet. If they were smart they would have traded him when he had value. He has a great arm but offensively he is a baby. he makes weak outs and doesnt run. even at a very basic level, Gardner is a helluva lot more fun to watch and brings some excitement to the game. Remember when Dave Roberts single handedly beat the Yanks in ’04? Well that’s what Gardner could do too. Only difference is that Gardner can hit too.
Tomko for player of the game
Fun game
Last 2 games…
Yanks 24…
Mets 1
Very, very satisfying night.
Okay, I’ve given Pete a hard time on many occasions about his A-Rod shots but even I had to chuckle at the Kate Hudson/Gardner line.
SO – who gets the WWE belt? CC or Gardner? I’m thinking you almost have to give it to Gardner.
Jmc
Girardi is going with whoever is hot. Nothing wrong with that.
YankeeDiva “anyone know BG’s 40 yard time?”
well his inside the parker was like 14 seconds… divide that by 3
and Jmc, I think it’s become a Swisher/Cabrera platoon now.
YankeeDiva
June 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
anyone know BG’s 40 yard time?
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I don’t know 40 yards, but I heard once it was 3.2 down to first for him which is 90 feet right? 90 feet is 30 yards…. maybe just over 5
One of the best parts of this game was getting CC out after 7 innings and only 99 pitches.
They have to be careful with him if they want him to pitch well in the post season.
These kinds of games will help a lot.
CB
June 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
“Brett Garnder next Dustin Pedoria with more speed less power?”
The guy that you hope Gardner can become as best case scenario is another Brett – Brett Butler.
Brett Butler was the last really good player that I can think of who has the kind of skill set Gardner has. He was the last guy like that who could get on base at a very good rate.
Butler didn’t have much power but got on base at a .377 clip.
Gardner has much more speed than butler, however.
If Gardner ever started getting on base at a .370+ clip he’s steal over a 100 bases a year.
This is encouraging to say the least.
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yeah, if his batting continues at near this level, Brett Butler and Mickey Rivers are solid comparisons.
trisha, he could definitely work on his cutter in the BP with Mariano
Brett Gardner OPS .794
Jacoby Ellsbury OPS .756
Trish, no way – no how, lol. The kid is a stud…….if they ever had a single thought about Phil as closer, they ought to all be fired.
Erica, yes – Phil was reputed to have fantastic makeup even in high school. I’ve never waivered in my belief in him, in part because besides being talented, he’s a hard-working kid who is very accountable. Talent just doesn’t disappear. In the 2007 ALDS, I saw a youngster who was made of sterner stuff, who looked like he was born to pitch. I love his laid back personality…..but he’s a starter.
Rested Bullpen. Man I love CC and the Offense when they hit.
Postgame on YES…….
Erica, Hughes is poised way beyond his years.
I have to go to a party tomorrow night so I won’t have to be nervous watching a game without Cervelli behind the plate.
So Cervelli has guided AJ to a 15-0 win against the Mets, CC to a 9-1 win against the Mets, and Joba to an 8-4 win over Atlanta.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to our future!
RalphieD (OPPC)
June 26th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
“Gardner is still a rookie. It’s over 150 at bats, 50 innings pitched or over 45 days on the roster, not including September callups”
so even though gardner was brought up on june 30th…the days of september dont count for rookie status?
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Yeah, he only had about 20-25 days before September. About 15 days in June/July and another 10 or so in August.
Betsy-
Postgame on YES?? You aren’t interested in which Yankees are best dressed off the field on My9???????
trisha, it’s gonna be hard to send down Angel Eyes if he continues to call games like that.
Blames injuries clasic Mets
I hate to say this- but I am kind of dreading the return of Molina.
I wonder if Cashman can work his GM magic and trade Molina for some sort of utility OF
“Postgame on YES…….”
Thanks Bets! I forgot they were doing the postgame.
MY9 is the worst post game in the history of post games.
El Nino is getting interviewed right now, he’s really happy, he can speak alot of english too.
Watching My9, Ramiro Pena-player of the game.
He’s a little cutie
An interesting look at run differentials..
Go to espn.com, standings, and look at run diff’s for the top 4 teams in the AL East.
Absurd compared to the rest of MLB.
-dennis
Doreen – Have the guests helped clean up?
What a great win tonight. Strong pitching, big hits, timely hits. And Brett Gardner! That’s what I like to see!
Ugh Russ Salzberg
“MY9 is the worst post game in the history of post games.”
One of them “take on ross” is the worst segments in the history
Yankees win, 9-1. Brett Gardner cements his spot as a ROY contender and people are still taking shots at Posada.
Wow. That’s just sad.
Tomorrow night’s game may be the perfect time to give Teixeira the game off with Swisher playing first. His bat seems a little slower lately.
“Brett Gardner OPS .794
Jacoby Ellsbury OPS .756″
After that triple Gardner’s OPS is up to .815.
The big challenge for him now is what he’ll do as the league adjusts to him.
Teams aren’t going to take him lightly anymore. They are going to look for his weakness and they’ll find one. Then he’ll need to make the adjustments back.
All young players need to do this. That’s the key to their long term success. How do they adjust.
But given how bad he looked to open the year this is very encouraging.
For get an .815 OPS. If he puts up an .750 OPS with a .350+ OBP he’s fine. A .750 OPS with his speed would be a valuable player.
S.A.–The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the OPPC
June 26th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Ugh Russ Salzberg
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LOL- he makes me long for Bob Lorenz
“MY9 is the worst post game in the history of post games.”
At least there is a post game on YES tonight.
Erica, I couldn’t care less about who dresses and how, lol. They all look good in pinstripes, that’s all that counts.
Sure, Trish – I didn’t even know myself until a few minutes ago. I’m glad – I can’t deal with the way My 9 does their post-games, with news interspersed between segments.
Here’s hoping that AJ can continue his fine pitching tomorrow.
Betsy
June 26th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Erica, I couldn’t care less about who dresses and how, lol. They all look good in pinstripes, that’s all that counts.
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Seriously. Thats the type of story you’d expect for a 6th grade reporter writing for the school paper. Very embarrassing for a network.
Plus everyone knows Derek Jeter is very GQ
Brandon and Erica, I cannot even begin to imagine Cervelli being sent down, but I also cannot imagine Molina being set aside. I don’t even want to think about it.
Cisco Cervelli
Eyes teach CC how to pitch
Warren Spahn laughs
Trish-
No worries. I have a weird feeling something will come to pass with Molina, and the Cisco Kid will stick around
“Tomorrow night’s game may be the perfect time to give Teixeira the game off with”
Agreed. Tex isn’t having great at bats. He’s slumping some and an off day is a good idea. He’s played a ton this year.
Trisha and Erica, maybe the Yankees will keep 3 catchers.
According to Gardner:
Best Dressed Yankee-Derek Jeter
Worst Dressed Yankee-Nick Swisher
I can now sleep peacefully after learning that
Anyway, I am off for a while. I am hoping to be at the beach until late tomorrow (weather permitting). So maybe I will see you all soon.
Good night Yankee people!
LOL Erica…
Trish, you can take comfort in the fact that Frankie has made a huge impression in his stint. He may have given him a great chance to be the backup catcher next year……..when he goes back down, he just needs to continue to progress. He needs to play, so being sent down will be ok for him (plus he has confidence now that he can play up here).
rconn, come on now. If you mean me, I used the wink emoticon to show I was busting. I haven’t seen anyone take “shots” at Posada.
Oh yeah, you accused me of taking shots at him on an earlier thread. I think you’re going to have to learn the difference between someone preferring one player over another and someone taking a shot. If you didn’t mean me, well I still didn’t see anyone taking shots at Posada. Maybe I missed the post.
“Yankees win, 9-1. Brett Gardner cements his spot as a ROY contender and people are still taking shots at Posada.”
It is really amazing. Great win. But the Posada Truther’s are still undeterred. Really amazing stuff. Great yankee who is one of the 5 best catchers in the game. Doesn’t matter. Misanthropy at it’s best.
Fran-
Girardi said they won’t carry 3. But that crazy Joe Girardi does like to change his mind a lot. So who knows?
CB
June 26th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
“Tomorrow night’s game may be the perfect time to give Teixeira the game off with”
Agreed. Tex isn’t having great at bats. He’s slumping some and an off day is a good idea. He’s played a ton this year.
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And with Burnett pitching, it’s mostly strikeouts and flyballs, so the defense at first isn’t going to be quite the focal point.
Flaherty always looks like he wants to kick someone’s @ss.
Jeter is the Best at lots of things but dressed is not one of them unless hoodies and oversized suits is your style.
Definitely Mo.
Make sure to use sunscreen Erica!!! Have a great day tomorrow.
CB,
You’re absolutely correct. At every level, Gardner has struggled at first and then really hit his stride.
We’re seeing it again. Now it’s the league turn.
He’s such a valuable weapon, with speed that’s almost unequalled.
I hope he stays in centerfield. Eventually, I think he’ll take over the spot again, and rightfully so.
YES post-game Booth Report with Lorenz, Flaherty, Kay, Leiter, and Cone:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/619130046dd71746/
Girardi said today that Tex will get a DH day as soon as they get back in an AL park as a day off.
Are the Yankees pitchers eating Wheaties ? They’ve all done well at bat so far in interleague play – AJ got it started in Florida, let’s see if he can continue it tomorrow, lol. He’s had an extra day of rest – hope his outing tomorrow is not like his Boston one on 7 days. If he can get on a roll, that will be huge……..
Thanks Pel
I think Tex getting hit on the thigh, right above his left knee may factor into a day off tomorrow, also.
Only 3 players have gone opposite field to right at Citifield so far- Adam Dunn, Nick Johnson and Alex.
Tex probably could really use a DH day. He also hasn’t had many days off. The schedule makers really killed the Yankees in this stretch.
Nick Johnson ? don’t you mean Chase Utley ?
Yikes. The NL East is just gross. No one seems to wanna win
If Tex needs tomorrow off. you give it to him. As it was pointed out he was hit above the knee. If he can play sit or DH him Tuesday. I believe they are off Monday.
Oops- just opposite field, not to right.
There’s that girl again…..
background of the Gardner interview.
Can anyone ID her?
Dunn and Johnson are left handed hitters. Did they hit homers out to left field? If So, that’s quite a poke for Johnson, who’s not really a power hitter. Dunn is just an animal. When ever and where ever he hits one, it stays hit.
Whose the blonde over Gardner’s left shoulder in that postgame interview?
Hey Fran! I heard that Doc will be back next week. Between him and Beckett you should own our league!!! Wow.
The only thing I don’t like about 3 catchers is that you know that 2 won’t get enough playing time. Cervelli is definitely going to be a big part of the Yankee’s future. The kid is tremendous. So if he has to go back down to continue to get playing time, so be it. He’s got a lot of time to be a premier catcher. I think one of his greatest strengths is maintaining such good equilibrium with the pitchers.
Brandon
Per Elias
benshpigel: only three players have hit opp-field hrs at citi: nick johnson and adam dunn (lf) and a-rod into the mets’ b-pen. thanks elias.
Dunn is just a mule. Talk about raw power.
Gardner’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/61913184165210e7/
>Whose the blonde over Gardner’s left shoulder in that postgame interview?
I don’t know who she is but she looks like Mary McCormack.
We stranded 14 men on the bases and the Mets stranded 2? wow.
pat there is no way I’d believe Nick Johnson hitting an opposite field HR in that park. NONE whatsoever.
The Cisco Kid was a friend of mine
He drink whiskey, Posada drink the wine
Truthers met down on the fort of Rio Grande
Melky eat the salted peanuts out of can
I’m sure this was stated before but wanted to reiterate before bed- How crazy is it that because Derek Jeter wasn’t feeling well enough to play that BG got shifted to leadoff and Pena got in the game and would together contribute 8-11, 3 rbi, and 5 r
Thanks for the info, pat. It’s really surprising how that park seems to have spooked Wright away from his power stroke, which is to all fields. 4 homers in half a season? They’re as spooked as pitchers seem to be at Yankee Stadium. Wright’s changed his swing so much, he’s not even hitting them on the road.
CB,
Do you think Gardner has done enough to earn the leadoff spot, on a semi-regular basis?
I know most of the diehards know this news already, but Christian Garcia is once again out for the season after elbow surgery.
It’s a damn shame he can’t every stay healthy. The guy is snakebit.
I have a hard time believing he’ll ever help this team.
Do you think Gardner has done enough to earn the leadoff spot, on a semi-regular basis?
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You’d have to believe Gardner is going to hit ninth in this lineup. No way would Girardi move Jeter or Damon around to accommodate Gardner.
DT, it’s good to see you back here. Someone going by TD posted some funny stuff, but it wasn’t the same. I missed your Absent Humor.
“Do you think Gardner has done enough to earn the leadoff spot, on a semi-regular basis?”
No. I’d just leave him alone. He’s doing fine now the way they’re using him.
When Damon needs a rest or jeter I’d bat him lead off then. Otherwise just continu to let him get acclimated.
I’d like to keep attention off of him.
I think the league is going to start to pitch him very differently very soon.
Garcia is a perfect candidate for a relief pitcher. It’s probably the only way he’ll ever stay healthy. about 50 games a year 60-70 innings max.
CC’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6191336688ae516b/
Fran – well it was nice while it lasted! Back to 10th.
Gardner still has to master the next challenge. As CB said “adjust to the League adjustment”. A lot of players have burst on the scene and then couldn’t adjust. So while I enjoyed today’s game I can’t get too high on Gardner. Time will tell. Cervelli today, was a good example of why he needs to go to AAA. I feel he has shown that his skill set is more than a backup catcher so he needs reps, he lost a year of development. It isn’t about Posada, he is what he is and that is quite good. Molina is ponderous behind the plate but Cervelli needs to play, not back up the back up.
“I have a hard time believing he’ll ever help this team.”
It’s hard to think otherwise. He’s hardly pitched. They should use this opportunity to get him off the 40 man. He’s not going to get selected in the rule V.
You have to hope this latest set back is a bit like what AJ Burnett went through with complications after his TJ surgery.
But the probability of him ever contributing keeps going down. I wonder if they’ll bring him back as a reliever.
Girardi’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/61913508575c0118/
“DT, it’s good to see you back here. Someone going by TD posted some funny stuff, but it wasn’t the same. I missed your Absent Humor.”
thanks Nick. I was on the road. you know how the circuit is.
If my comments have Absent Humor, that just means I need to fire my lazy joke writers. (or maybe pay more)
Garcia could junk everything bit the 4 seam fastball and learn the cutter. That would put him at about the same age and situation as some guy named Rivera was back about 16 years ago.
That’s too bad for Garcia -it’s always a shame when potential goes unfullfilled. There are always so many “what ifs”………..Let’s just cross our fingers that Joba and Phil stay healthy.
Don’t worry, DT
the humor is just absent
when you Aren’t Here
Yeah, of the Highest order.
I’d say Garcia’s career is over.
2 elbow surgerys I think on top of a knee surgery, I don’t think he’ll ever make it on to the next level.
Back to some interesting stats just passed to me.
Brett Gardner although he won’t win it.
Leads AL Rookies in hitting, runs, walks, OBP, and SBs.
On top of that in his last 100 ABs don’t if this true but in his last 100 ABs .337/.417/.515
Et tu DT?
Just caught your “humor”.
Tis a shame. I thought you were my friend. Oh well. Live and learn.
I should have said of the Absolute Highest order.
Ta.
Hey I just checked ESPN stats and Gardner is not a rookie…I think he spent too many does on the roster last year…Pete may have to double check
With Garcia and Nady going on the 60 day DL will open up some interesting possibilities on the trade front. There won’t be the 40 man log jam, now.
Any Here who Aren’t Here
raise All Hands.
RMEL he is a rookie, not enough ABs last yr. to qualify as a rookie.
“With Garcia and Nady going on the 60 day DL will open up some interesting possibilities on the trade front. There won’t be the 40 man log jam, now.”
Garcia can’t be placed on the 60 day. Only players on the 25 man can be placed on the 60 day DL. That’s why they couldn’t move kennedy onto the 60 day dl.
LOL @ lou pinella. “he threw his helmet and that got me mad, then he smashed the water cooler…and you know water was splashing all over the place, I just told him to take off his uniform and just go home:
Al’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/619137351e5148b8/
I figured the at bats would do it…but I don’t think he is…the 43 games last year did him in…look for yourself
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....38;minpa=0
“Et tu DT?
Just caught your “humor”.
Tis a shame. I thought you were my friend. Oh well. Live and learn.
I should have said of the Absolute Highest order.
Ta.”
Huh? You caught my humor where? Don’t let that bad show in Newport Beach affect your judgement. They were heckler plants I tell ya!
I think GB is probably right about Garcia.
Seems like the organization may have to make a decision this offseason and use Garcia primarily out of the pen if and when he returns from his latest surgery.
He’d be unhittable coming out of the pen throwing in the mid 90s and backed up with that wicked change and curve ball.
But that’s a thought for next year.
I am sure the die hards know this as well, however if you want to sort ROY of the year stats you can go to espn,mlb,stats,rookies. Early to look at but as the season goes on it breaks down position players stats for ROY.
The only ROY I have met was Mark the Bird Fidrych. He sat behind us at the 99 ASG at Fenway and got a kick of it that Amy and I kept score. So he he asked to score every 3rd half inning and we passed it back and forth. He took his Dad to the game who smiled the entire time. Mark was as down to earth as anyone and wanted to interact..He started the conversation. His death was a tough way to go IMO.
-dennis
>Hey I just checked ESPN stats and Gardner is not a rookie
If they voted Edinson Volquez for RoY last year, they can vote for Gardner.
One player that could jump into the AL ROY race is Nolan Reimold of Baltimore. He only has 130 at bats so far, but, he’ll be their left fielder from here on out and Scott getting some play there and at DH. Reimold with 8 homers, only 20 strikeouts and 14 walks. He’s not going to be Adam Dunn like, but, in that park especially, he’s going to do some damage.
CB
June 27th, 2009 at 12:08 am
“With Garcia and Nady going on the 60 day DL will open up some interesting possibilities on the trade front. There won’t be the 40 man log jam, now.”
Garcia can’t be placed on the 60 day. Only players on the 25 man can be placed on the 60 day DL. That’s why they couldn’t move kennedy onto the 60 day dl.
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The difference is that Nady was on the ML 15 day DL and can be moved to the 60 day. Kennedy was on the MILB DL.
Damned, CB. I misread your post. You’re correct. It might help to call him up and then put him on the 60 day DL.
http://www.wfan.com/pages/223566.php
Reggie talks about Alex
This was not a good day to show Any Heresy.
Nick.
You were not yourself today! Very funny as always but you had an edge.
It was like you lost the over in the pro bowl.
-dennis
That’s harsh, dennis, especially after I was a good person and didn’t bet the Pro Bowl this year after I said I wouldn’t.
pat was right. I was in a good place in Pittsburg and I thought I could go home from there but I had to take a side trip to Petaluma.
But the edge came from taking something too seriously, which is always a mistake.
Check out this picture. Awesome sky.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06.....7mets.html
Over the winter and all spring, there were a lot of people crying about the Yanks not signing Milton Bradley. You should be happy that the Yankee brass is smarter than you are.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
Nick. Really? Taking something too seriously? That has only happened to me roughly 2,037 times, hence my insomnia. Hell, besides the great baseball chatter here, you, Mel, Gb7 were great to chat with during some long nights. That is why I stay so loyal to this site.
-dennis
GB I got to admit I wanted him here, b/c his bat had the numbers that was as well as any other FA. Although now after reading that WOW
+ 1 to Yankees mgmt.
pat,
I saw that pic. It’s so eery. Was watching the highlights and the mets crew called the clouds “biblical”, certainly looks that way in the picture.
I disagree on your Cerveli assesment, Pete. Cerveli may have been 0-4, but the team has won the last two starts he’s had, and his battery mates have been excellent. That’s what should matter. Winning.
Rconn and CB,
You say that people are taking shots at Posada. Trisha says she hasn’t seen any examples, and I didn’t notice any either (although I certainly didn’t read every post).
Perhaps you might provide a few examples of people taking shots at Posada?
Pete,
You said:
“Cervelli is 0 for 4? I thought he had to play every day because he was so much better than Posada?”
Are you kidding, Pete? Have you even been reading your own blog?! I haven’t read anyone saying that they think Cervelli should be in the lineup for his bat.
Perhaps you could provide me with even a single example if you think I’m mistaken.