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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kate Hudson better watch out. I was at the Orioles game in May, saw Alex with his African-American/Latino girlfriend.  She looks as if she does not play.  When fans commented on his steroids the looks she gave them shut even the men up.  If she gets a hold of Kate I don&#039;t think Kate will be pretty anymore.  I&#039;m told Alex&#039;s girlfriend, from Camden yards, lives in Maryland and she&#039;s not a baseball fan, so she don&#039;t come around often. She looked bored at the game. I must admit she was gorgeous. I could not stop looking at her the entire game against the Orioles.  A-Rod seemed a little jealous of her too. Watched her the entire game. Wild Kate is on a run after Alex, who is too whimpy to tell her he don&#039;t really want her. What is his problem? SPEAK UP MAN! Didn&#039;t he already take us throught his whirlwind with Madonna. Anyway, I look forward to more appearances by the girl from Camden Yards. Kate watch out. At least I&#039;ll get to see her again and who knows maybe I&#039;ll get lucky and take her from Alex and Kate can have him. LOL Thanks for the updates. They are right on point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate Hudson better watch out. I was at the Orioles game in May, saw Alex with his African-American/Latino girlfriend.  She looks as if she does not play.  When fans commented on his steroids the looks she gave them shut even the men up.  If she gets a hold of Kate I don&#8217;t think Kate will be pretty anymore.  I&#8217;m told Alex&#8217;s girlfriend, from Camden yards, lives in Maryland and she&#8217;s not a baseball fan, so she don&#8217;t come around often. She looked bored at the game. I must admit she was gorgeous. I could not stop looking at her the entire game against the Orioles.  A-Rod seemed a little jealous of her too. Watched her the entire game. Wild Kate is on a run after Alex, who is too whimpy to tell her he don&#8217;t really want her. What is his problem? SPEAK UP MAN! Didn&#8217;t he already take us throught his whirlwind with Madonna. Anyway, I look forward to more appearances by the girl from Camden Yards. Kate watch out. At least I&#8217;ll get to see her again and who knows maybe I&#8217;ll get lucky and take her from Alex and Kate can have him. LOL Thanks for the updates. They are right on point.</p>
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		<title>By: Giuseppe Franco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tough to debate when I don&#039;t have any idea what the hell you&#039;re talking about.

Lay off the uppers, man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tough to debate when I don&#8217;t have any idea what the hell you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>Lay off the uppers, man.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GreenBeret7
June 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Cabrera’s numbers against Beckett and the rest of the Red Sox pitchers.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/b-pvb.cgi?n1=cabreme01#choice=&amp;throws=&amp;year_game=career&amp;opp_id=BOS&amp;orderby=PA&amp;orderbyb=Name&amp;minPA2=0&amp;minPA=0&amp;orderbydir=DESC&amp;orderbydirb=ASC&amp;n1=cabreme01&amp;as=batter
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Thanks for link. Some of those smaller sample sizes will be worth watching over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GreenBeret7<br />
June 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am<br />
Cabrera’s numbers against Beckett and the rest of the Red Sox pitchers.<br />
<a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/b-pvb.cgi?n1=cabreme01#choice=&#038;throws=&#038;year_game=career&#038;opp_id=BOS&#038;orderby=PA&#038;orderbyb=Name&#038;minPA2=0&#038;minPA=0&#038;orderbydir=DESC&#038;orderbydirb=ASC&#038;n1=cabreme01&#038;as=batter" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-reference......;as=batter</a><br />
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<p>Thanks for link. Some of those smaller sample sizes will be worth watching over time.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More importantly, Girardi feels that way too as long as Gardner finds a way to get on base at a .350 OBP+ clip.
And he’s the guy who makes out the lineups.
====

Girardi&#039;s preference for CF has nothing to do with you claiming Melky Cabrera can&#039;t even hope to hit anything approaching .280.

I&#039;m not interested in debating with you, either, because, with all due respect, you generally don&#039;t present arguments, you just make blanket statements.

The accusation of &quot;obsession&quot; on my part shows you strike out wildly and lack weapons to debate honestly.

For your comments to have integrity, you might have said:

&quot;Well, I STILL don&#039;t think Cabrera is even a .280 hitter - and I don&#039;t expect him to finish up with even that.&quot;

OR:

&quot;I guess I underestimated him - I suppose .280 is probably about right.&quot;

But have it your way - I guess, technically, you did &quot;predict&quot; he wouldn&#039;t hit .385 for the season.

Hey man, great call :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More importantly, Girardi feels that way too as long as Gardner finds a way to get on base at a .350 OBP+ clip.<br />
And he’s the guy who makes out the lineups.<br />
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<p>Girardi&#8217;s preference for CF has nothing to do with you claiming Melky Cabrera can&#8217;t even hope to hit anything approaching .280.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not interested in debating with you, either, because, with all due respect, you generally don&#8217;t present arguments, you just make blanket statements.</p>
<p>The accusation of &#8220;obsession&#8221; on my part shows you strike out wildly and lack weapons to debate honestly.</p>
<p>For your comments to have integrity, you might have said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, I STILL don&#8217;t think Cabrera is even a .280 hitter &#8211; and I don&#8217;t expect him to finish up with even that.&#8221;</p>
<p>OR:</p>
<p>&#8220;I guess I underestimated him &#8211; I suppose .280 is probably about right.&#8221;</p>
<p>But have it your way &#8211; I guess, technically, you did &#8220;predict&#8221; he wouldn&#8217;t hit .385 for the season.</p>
<p>Hey man, great call <img src='http://yankees.lhblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Giuseppe Franco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never revised anything about what I said back then.

And I don&#039;t rely on blind faith to make my arguments.  That&#039;s where you and I disagreed strongly on Melky.  

But like I said, none of this hoopla is going to change our minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never revised anything about what I said back then.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t rely on blind faith to make my arguments.  That&#8217;s where you and I disagreed strongly on Melky.  </p>
<p>But like I said, none of this hoopla is going to change our minds.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giuseppe Franco
June 27th, 2009 at 11:30 am
bodhisattva,
You’ve obviously had a very strange obsession for Melky and good for you.
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Let&#039;s stick to the facts: you have gone out of your way to consistently make unqualified, dismissive statements about Melky Cabrera&#039;s abilities.

You have never really backed any of those statements up, other than to state your opinion in absolutes: &quot;cannot.&quot; etc.

Unlike you, I have given sound arguments on why Cabrera is worth playing every day. 

Your statements about Cabrera are never supported with any kind of theory on his plate mechanics, or even numbers. All you offer is your zeal that the guy stinks offensively and defensively.

THis is a baseball forum, and  you argued so strenuously that Cabrera brings nothing to the table as an every day player. The discussion was between you and myself.

I am merely bringing light to what you actually WROTE, versus what you CLAIM you predicted.

And since you and I debated this before Melky even stepped into the batter&#039;s box in April - I am reminding you of what you actually wrote.

IF you had not attempted to  revise what you actually wrote, I wouldn&#039;t have said anything in your direction.

That&#039;s how it works on these forums - people debate and they hopefully offer some kind of support for their statements. You not only aren&#039;t offering support, you are now revising what you originally predicted, and THAT is what prompted my response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giuseppe Franco<br />
June 27th, 2009 at 11:30 am<br />
bodhisattva,<br />
You’ve obviously had a very strange obsession for Melky and good for you.<br />
====</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s stick to the facts: you have gone out of your way to consistently make unqualified, dismissive statements about Melky Cabrera&#8217;s abilities.</p>
<p>You have never really backed any of those statements up, other than to state your opinion in absolutes: &#8220;cannot.&#8221; etc.</p>
<p>Unlike you, I have given sound arguments on why Cabrera is worth playing every day. </p>
<p>Your statements about Cabrera are never supported with any kind of theory on his plate mechanics, or even numbers. All you offer is your zeal that the guy stinks offensively and defensively.</p>
<p>THis is a baseball forum, and  you argued so strenuously that Cabrera brings nothing to the table as an every day player. The discussion was between you and myself.</p>
<p>I am merely bringing light to what you actually WROTE, versus what you CLAIM you predicted.</p>
<p>And since you and I debated this before Melky even stepped into the batter&#8217;s box in April &#8211; I am reminding you of what you actually wrote.</p>
<p>IF you had not attempted to  revise what you actually wrote, I wouldn&#8217;t have said anything in your direction.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how it works on these forums &#8211; people debate and they hopefully offer some kind of support for their statements. You not only aren&#8217;t offering support, you are now revising what you originally predicted, and THAT is what prompted my response.</p>
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		<title>By: Giuseppe Franco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bodhisattva,

Whatever, dude.  Not really interested in fighting with you about it anymore.

The one thing that I do recall during our debates back in ST is that I didn&#039;t think Melky was an everyday player because he had plenty of chances to take a stranglehold of the job during the three years it was handed to him.

All I wanted was for Gardner to get his shot and he&#039;s taking advantage of it.

I like what he brings to this team better than Melky and all the ranting and raving from you isn&#039;t going to change that.

More importantly, Girardi feels that way too as long as Gardner finds a way to get on base at a .350 OBP+ clip.

And he&#039;s the guy who makes out the lineups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bodhisattva,</p>
<p>Whatever, dude.  Not really interested in fighting with you about it anymore.</p>
<p>The one thing that I do recall during our debates back in ST is that I didn&#8217;t think Melky was an everyday player because he had plenty of chances to take a stranglehold of the job during the three years it was handed to him.</p>
<p>All I wanted was for Gardner to get his shot and he&#8217;s taking advantage of it.</p>
<p>I like what he brings to this team better than Melky and all the ranting and raving from you isn&#8217;t going to change that.</p>
<p>More importantly, Girardi feels that way too as long as Gardner finds a way to get on base at a .350 OBP+ clip.</p>
<p>And he&#8217;s the guy who makes out the lineups.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey's Poodle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey's Poodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who were not alive at the time, a reminder:
one reason people thought those uppers the troops brought back into civilian life were okay was that it was the government who distributed them to the forces.  If it was good enough for the greatest generation, if the government gave them out like candy, what could be so bad about them?

A lot of things are different today but a reminder of why those particular PEDs had such an aura of respectability may make some of the younger crowd realize where that attitude sprang from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who were not alive at the time, a reminder:<br />
one reason people thought those uppers the troops brought back into civilian life were okay was that it was the government who distributed them to the forces.  If it was good enough for the greatest generation, if the government gave them out like candy, what could be so bad about them?</p>
<p>A lot of things are different today but a reminder of why those particular PEDs had such an aura of respectability may make some of the younger crowd realize where that attitude sprang from.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn’t revise anything. I’ve never been a big Melky fan and that hasn’t changed.
I said he was much more like the hitter he was in his first 1500 career ABs than he was in his first 150 ABs of 2009.
And frankly, if both players are hitting at a .280 / 350 OBP + clip, Gardner is the more valuable player.
I guarantee Girardi agrees.
=======

Of course you did.

Melky&#039;s April/May numbers are beyond the scope of your understanding of what you figured he was capable of offensively.

You predicted he could not hit even .280 - which is actually a comfortable place for him to live.

&quot;No - he cannot,&quot; were your words to my statement that .280 isn&#039;t a big deal for a bat like Cabrera&#039;s - hardly a stretch.

He raised the bar so high, that you&#039;re now retro-actively saying you never expected him to hit .327 - or .385?

That&#039;s specious of you.

Your most honest statement, in fact, is that you have: &quot;Never been a Melky fan.&quot;

And if .280 is a reach - what do you think he&#039;s consistently capable of? .250 maybe?  Or is .233 more like it?

What was his average, any way, over his first 1500 ABs? 

Obviously, it wasn&#039;t .280, which you&#039;ve already confirmed he &quot;cannot&quot; achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t revise anything. I’ve never been a big Melky fan and that hasn’t changed.<br />
I said he was much more like the hitter he was in his first 1500 career ABs than he was in his first 150 ABs of 2009.<br />
And frankly, if both players are hitting at a .280 / 350 OBP + clip, Gardner is the more valuable player.<br />
I guarantee Girardi agrees.<br />
=======</p>
<p>Of course you did.</p>
<p>Melky&#8217;s April/May numbers are beyond the scope of your understanding of what you figured he was capable of offensively.</p>
<p>You predicted he could not hit even .280 &#8211; which is actually a comfortable place for him to live.</p>
<p>&#8220;No &#8211; he cannot,&#8221; were your words to my statement that .280 isn&#8217;t a big deal for a bat like Cabrera&#8217;s &#8211; hardly a stretch.</p>
<p>He raised the bar so high, that you&#8217;re now retro-actively saying you never expected him to hit .327 &#8211; or .385?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s specious of you.</p>
<p>Your most honest statement, in fact, is that you have: &#8220;Never been a Melky fan.&#8221;</p>
<p>And if .280 is a reach &#8211; what do you think he&#8217;s consistently capable of? .250 maybe?  Or is .233 more like it?</p>
<p>What was his average, any way, over his first 1500 ABs? </p>
<p>Obviously, it wasn&#8217;t .280, which you&#8217;ve already confirmed he &#8220;cannot&#8221; achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo Knows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo Knows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gardner is still a work in progress.  He&#039;s still adjusting thanks to a terrible Yankee Minor League program.  This a program that is shortening Jackson&#039;s swing at the AAA level.  Where were they, all the levels before?  Long started working with Brett this year to incorporate his lower body, where was the coaching before?  You can see it in BG&#039;s at bats, one time he&#039;s all arms, next time he&#039;s compact through the swing.  5 for 6 is just stats fodder, doesn&#039;t mean that he&#039;s arrived, let&#039;s wait for another month or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gardner is still a work in progress.  He&#8217;s still adjusting thanks to a terrible Yankee Minor League program.  This a program that is shortening Jackson&#8217;s swing at the AAA level.  Where were they, all the levels before?  Long started working with Brett this year to incorporate his lower body, where was the coaching before?  You can see it in BG&#8217;s at bats, one time he&#8217;s all arms, next time he&#8217;s compact through the swing.  5 for 6 is just stats fodder, doesn&#8217;t mean that he&#8217;s arrived, let&#8217;s wait for another month or so.</p>
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