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Pitching matchups for the Seattle series

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 29, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Tuesday: RHP Brandon Morrow (0-3, 5.64) vs. RHP Joba Chamberlain (4-2, 3.81), 7:05, YES

Wednesday: LHP Jarrod Washburn (4-5, 3.22) vs. LHP Andy Pettitte (7-3, 4.38), 7:05, YES

Thursday: LHP Jason Vargas (3-3, 3.79) vs. LHP CC Sabathia (7-4, 3.55), 7:05, YES

 
 

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253 Responses to “Pitching matchups for the Seattle series”

  1. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    2 out of three would be great

  2. John June 29th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Sweep would be great, 2 out of 3 would be ok

  3. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Pettitte vs Washburn I don’t know. at Yankee stadium also.

  4. Dennis June 29th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    no felix thank god.

  5. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Can’t sweep every team. Its all about winning series.

  6. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Cont. this…

    “The capper was Jon Miller seriously suggesting that Arod move to CF so Jeter can move to third! At least the other two shot him down immediately on that.”

    Amazing that the only one that made sense last night was Steve Philips :lol:

  7. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 10:14 am

    So now that DeRosa is off to the Cards, who is the trade bait that everyone is in love with for the Yankees…

    Is there any indication that Cashman’s even looking for an addition with Nady done for the year?

  8. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 10:17 am

    I like the team as it is

  9. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Cashman is never going to tip his hand and talk about needs publicly. That what drives the children nuts on here.

    If you want to know their plans, you chart where their scouts are going.

    The scouts are spending a lot of time following the Rockies for example. That means they are checking out Huston Street.

    As they move forward, we will know where reporters see Yankee scouts. That will be the tipoff as to who they are considering.

  10. mikeboston June 29th, 2009 at 10:18 am

    It’s time to call up Shelly Duncan!

  11. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    HH, none, he said we have all the resources here. We aren’t trading for a quick fix anymore.

  12. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    “It’s time to call up Shelly Duncan!”

    The 2nd coming of Kevin Maas is not going to help at all. IMO you pray for him to be trade bait for something usefull.

  13. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    They need another RH bat off the bench and another bullpen arm. Preferably a veteran.

    Obviously, price is going to be an issue. However, in a perfect world, those two spots need to be filled.

  14. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Well Kevin Maas jr. the best he can be for this team is trade bait.

  15. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    And one of those answers is not Shelley Duncan

  16. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Brandon,

    You are being naive. Cashman says the same thing every year.

    Bubba Crosby is my CF. We have all the solutions in house, yada, yada, yada.

    They wouldn’t be dispatching scouts if they were just going to keep the team as is.

    They will add something. It may not be huge but, I doubt the team will remain as is after the trade deadline.

  17. Boogie Down Bob June 29th, 2009 at 10:24 am

    Take 2/3 in this series and we’ll continue to be in great shape.

    We’re getting close to the All Star break, and it’d be nice to make up the 3 games we’re behind the Sox, as well as put some distance between ourselves and teams like Toronto, Tampa, and Texas.

  18. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    I understand Cash is never going to tip his hand (not should he) and while he’s said we have all the resources from within, he’s said that before. just curious if there have been rumblings. Good point on following the scouts SJ, thanks for the insight

  19. Tom in N.J. June 29th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    “So now that DeRosa is off to the Cards, who is the trade bait that everyone is in love with for the Yankees…”

    Good question. If Cashman decides to go out and get a bat the ideal player would be a Mark DeRosa type- a player who can play 3B and the corner outfield spots. After seeing what a couple of days off did for Alex, I think that getting a player like that would be no-brainer.

    The only problem is there aren’t many Mark DeRosa’s. Mark Teahan’s a poor mans DeRosa. Figgins not goning to be traded. Aubrey Huff’s not going to be traded here…

  20. Richie June 29th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    Pettitte needs to start pitching well, otherwise his hold on his spot in the rotation could become tenuous.

    They should bring up Duncan before they make a trade.

  21. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:27 am

    “They wouldn’t be dispatching scouts if they were just going to keep the team as is.”

    Well that happens for every team. Not saying nothing is going to happen ofcourse I wouldn’t believe him 100 % but I doubt anything significant is bought back.

  22. MaineYankee June 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am

    SJ44
    June 29th, 2009 at 10:21 am
    They need another RH bat off the bench and another bullpen arm. Preferably a veteran.

    Obviously, price is going to be an issue. However, in a perfect world, those two spots need to be filled.

    —————————————————–

    What is the RH bat? An outfielder or utility.

    There’s going to be alot of competion for pitching. Be interesting to see how this plays out.

    I don’t think Cashman gets enough credit for how he handles these moves. He actually has done quite well in this regard.

  23. Chris A June 29th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Anyone know the probables for Friday? Burnett? or is it Wang?

  24. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    If Joel Sherman is right and the Yanks never really tried to get DeRosa, then my guess is any move they make for a hitter will be small. Although, they may now regret not chasing DeRosa if Nady can’t play.

    They left Duncan in the minors even tough on the NL road swing they really could have used another RH bat off the bench. I can’t see them calling him up now. If they do bring him up now, then you have to wonder what they were thinking.

  25. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:31 am

    I bet they get a veteran arm for the pen. Street, Valverde are two options. Heath Bell isn’t going to be traded.

    It all depends on what the Rockies think about their chances this year. They want to shed payroll and compete. Difficult balance but, that’s their goal and that’s why Street is available.

    As you get closer to the deadline, that’s where the rubber will meet the road when it comes to whether or not Street gets traded.

  26. Cash is King June 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    SJ44,
    What are your thoughts about Cano batting 5th?

  27. Bob June 29th, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Seattle……. sweep ….. sweep,,,,,, sweep….
    next…..

    Toronto……. sweep ….. sweep,,,,,, sweep….
    next…..

    Minnesota ……. sweep ….. sweep,,,,,, sweep….
    next…..

    Los Angeles……. sweep ….. sweep,,,,,, sweep….
    next…..

    We Play, We Win, That’s It !!!!!!!!!
    I feel a full throttle victory surge coming on !!!!

    Go Yankees

  28. Boogie Down Bob June 29th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    Has anyone heard any news on the status of Demaso Marte?

  29. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 10:35 am

    curious what we would have to give up for Street…what’s Street’s contract situation. would this be a rental or would he project to be around next year as well?

  30. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    The problem with getting DeRosa is, it would have cost them Mark Melancon, given what Cleveland got back in return. That would have been a bad deal.

    Its also probably an indication the Yankees aren’t going to be adding a lot of payroll unless the player added has a larger role on the team.

  31. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    lol bob

  32. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    SJ here’s how I take the Rockies situation, they are on a winning streak eversince Carlos Gonzalez was called up. They are too much in the playoff hunt to just send Streets packing.

    IMO they’ll take the picks in exchange. Unless they get a young 5 tool OF or lights out BP guy or front end to # 3 SP they’ll keep him and take the picks for next yrs. draft, just like CLE before they robbed STL.

  33. jimmy1138 June 29th, 2009 at 10:39 am

    With Beltre on the DL the Mariners will have an even weaker offense. Yankees have to take at least 2 out of 3.

  34. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Street is arbitration eligible for next year. He’s only 26. If they were to acquire him, it would be for more than one year. If he pitched well, they would look to sign him long term. Although, I’m sure he will want to close sooner rather than later because you make more money closing than you do as an 8th inning setup guy.

    I think they need to get Cano out of the 5 hole. He’s just not as good a hitter when you move him up in the order.

    He has bad numbers with the bases loaded and with RISP. Couple that with an injured wrist, making it tough for him to drive the ball, its hard for me to understand why he’s batting 5th.

    Jeter, Damon, Tex, Arod, Posada, Matsui, Cano, Swisher and Melky/Gardner, breaks up the lefties and puts guys in more effective spots in the order.

  35. E-gawa June 29th, 2009 at 10:44 am

    “Pettitte needs to start pitching well, otherwise his hold on his spot in the rotation could become tenuous.”

    Pettitte’s been fine this season. He’s giving them innings and although his era is a few points higher, with our offense it’s still a chance to win in games. Out of his 15 starts this season, we’ve only lost 4. Pettitte’s in no danger of losing his spot.

  36. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    “He has bad numbers with the bases loaded and with RISP. Couple that with an injured wrist, making it tough for him to drive the ball, its hard for me to understand why he’s batting 5th.”

    B/c he’s one of the best hitters on the team ? it’s frustrating yes that I won’t hide, but you gotta give him the oppurtunity to graduate in this lineup. I doubt it’s mental since Robi has the Manny being Manny sense in his ABs he just needs to pick his spots better, either he succeeds there or will be traded some time down the line. But that’s JMO. IDK what the organization is thinking.

  37. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Brandon,

    Street isn’t a FA after this season. He’a arbitration eligible and he will be an 7-9 million dollar guy next year.

    The issue regarding Street is, when is the right time for the Rockies to deal him? Now, or the off-season?

    Their leverage is probably better now than the off-season. That’s why, regardless of what they are doing on the field, he is probably going to be on the market.

    Money is going to play a big role at the deadline this year. Attendance and revenue is down across the board in the game.

    GM’s all over the league have had their owners tell them to shed payroll and/or not to add payroll.

    The Yankees aren’t even immune to this.

    Cash may be able to make one outside move to add payroll. Question is, what will be the move?

    Looking at the team, I think they can fill a part-time RH bat option off the bench from within. I don’t think they can add a veteran bullpen arm from within.

    That’s why I think they will add a veteran arm at the deadline because you can’t win with a rookie dominated bullpen.

  38. Cash is King June 29th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    SJ44,
    I’m not one to get on the manager about his lineup and I understand their reluctance to make lineup changes like some fans scream for daily, but Cano’s record of not getting the job done in that batting slot is starting to become more than a perception to me.

    Girardi is probably trying to develop him as a middle of the lineup hitter and Cashman probably agrees with that logic, but they can’t allow his non production as such a hitter cause them to lose games. Last night, they could’ve lost that game if the Mets had a better lineup so they were lucky and need to reevaluate their stubborness in regard to Cano at #5 in the lineup.

  39. Vince June 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Matsui’s knees present a problem. Cashman needs to either get a RH hitting DH VIA the trade route or slot the switching hitting Posada into a few more games as a DH to save his knees for later in the season.
    Forget Matt Holliday.

  40. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Pettitte has had 3 quality starts in his last 11. He hasn’t pitched well at all.

    They have won their starts despite him and not because of him.

    Brandon,

    ST is over. You can’t have a guy who his hitting under .230 w/RISP, is a DP machine, and really struggles when you move him up in the order, hitting behind Arod.

    Soon, Arod won’t even get pitches to hit.

    You can’t force guys to be something they are not.

    Robbie is a very good hitter down in the order. That’s where he should reside.

  41. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    “Their leverage is probably better now than the off-season. That’s why, regardless of what they are doing on the field, he is probably going to be on the market.”

    I think his best leverage is now. BTW thanks I didn’t was not a FA this offseason, if your the Rockies you keep him. Right now they are in playoff contention.

  42. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    sounds like the addition of Street makes sense as long as it doesn’t cost too much. I like the idea of being able to keep him next season and possibly long term. If his goals long-term are to be a closer, than all the more reason he fits the Yankees IMO as we will most likely be looking for that guy not too far down the road. but obviously he wont be headed to NY for free, so other than shedding the payroll, what will the Rockies want in return?

  43. Cash is King June 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am

    I totally agree with SJ.

  44. ADam June 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    the yanks really need to bite the bullet and cut ties with matsui, Eat His contract, take a hit from the Japanese media, big deal as we have seen in the last 9 games, small sample – but they are such a better team with him not in the line-up. I mean its night and day.

  45. RS June 29th, 2009 at 10:54 am

    In hindsight, the Yankees should have picked up Takashi Saito in the offseason. He would have been a perfect veteran reliever that could spell Rivera every once in a while.

    The Red Sox don’t use him as a set-up man too often, but he has picked up a few saves this year, giving Papelbon the day off. The Yankees could use someone like that (Street is also perfect in that regard) because I’m sure they don’t want Mo having to pitch 3 days in a row, or having to come in in the 8th inning as often as he does.

  46. raymagnetic June 29th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Pettitte has pitched well enough for the role he’s playing on the team.

    I’m going to sound like Randy L here, but if the Yankees have won 11 of the 15 games Pettitte has pitched then he must be doing something right.

    He may only have 3 ‘quality starts’ in his last 11 games but he’s pitched well in more than 3 of his last eleven games.

    Against Minny he pitched 6.2 innings and gave up 4 runs, not a quality start but good enough with this Yankees offense.

    He pitched 7 innings against Philly and gave up 4 runs. Again not a quality start but good enough with the Yankees offense.

    Against Cleveland he pitched 5 innings and only gave up 1 run. Again not a quality start but good enough for a win.

    Pettitte is also a very good second half of the year pitcher, at least historically so he may throw a few gems after the all star break and go on a tear. I think for 5 million a year he’s been more than just okay.

  47. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    “Brandon,

    ST is over. You can’t have a guy who his hitting under .230 w/RISP, is a DP machine, and really struggles when you move him up in the order, hitting behind Arod.

    Soon, Arod won’t even get pitches to hit.

    You can’t force guys to be something they are not”

    SJ it’s funny to me how you quit on these guys like nothing. It’s not like Robi can’t do it. All you do here is slow down what you want from him, to be a middle of the order bat you can depend on. If that’s the case then trade him somewhere b/c he won’t turn into what you need him to be if you pull him when he fails.

  48. m June 29th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    Interesting poll question at danpatrick.com

    “Should the Mets have acknowledged Mariano Rivera’s 500th save?”

    Verducci thinks they messed up, “I don’t think it should have been ignored.”

    I don’t know what the protocol is for milestones achieved in away parks. Personally, I don’t think the Mets had to do anything. It’s an unusual achievement because it happens at the very last possible moment, at the end of a loss for the Mets.

    None of the Yankees were paying attention to the video/scoreboard. They were too busy paying their respects to the godfather.

    What do you guys think?

  49. jpb1973 June 29th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    So now that DeRosa is off to the Cards, who is the trade bait that everyone is in love with for the Yankees…

    —————————————————–

    I’m sure that this is an unpopular suggestion, but I’d like to see the Yankees get Victor Martinez from the Indians. Then they could go with three catchers on the roster…one could be the DH most days. This might be a better move than trying to acquire an outfielder.

  50. RS June 29th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    I don’t think the Yankees need to cut Pettitte. He hasn’t pitched great but as long as the Yankees keep winning his starts, why move him?

    This is pretty much what was anticipated since the offseason. Pettitte would just have an OK ERA but because he wouldn’t match up against too many aces, the Yankees would be able to give him enough run support.

    Also, the Yankees are a much better team with Pettitte in the rotation and Hughes in the bullpen, ready to fill in for an injured starter, than with Hughes in the rotation and Edwar Ramirez in the bullpen.

  51. Cash is King June 29th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    Brandon,
    Robi has never hit well with the bases loaded and being in the 5th spot with this lineup will cause him to be up in that type of situation. He left nine guys on base last night, not good.

  52. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    “I’m sure that this is an unpopular suggestion, but I’d like to see the Yankees get Victor Martinez from the Indians. Then they could go with three catchers on the roster…one could be the DH most days. This might be a better move than trying to acquire an outfielder.”

    Aren’t there enough DHs on this team ! And what are you trading to CLE, your not getting Victor for free.

  53. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 11:02 am

    I might be naive, but I think Cano is too good a hitter for him not to eventually be just fine hitting up in the order. It’s frustrating, though, watching him struggle to get to that point. If the problem is hitting with RISP, what is really the difference where he hits, since the Yankees’ lineup is fairly circular? There’s really just as much a chance that he comes up with RISP while he’s hitting 6th or 7th, too. Maybe slightly less chance.

    So, for now, I think patience is in order. Especially since it seems like he really is fighting that sore wrist a bit.

  54. raymagnetic June 29th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    “I’m sure that this is an unpopular suggestion, but I’d like to see the Yankees get Victor Martinez from the Indians. Then they could go with three catchers on the roster…one could be the DH most days. This might be a better move than trying to acquire an outfielder.”

    I think he’d be too cost prohibitive in terms of prospects required to get him, but that certainly wouldn’t be a bad thing if the Yankees could get him.

  55. Cash is King June 29th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    If the excuse is his sore wrist then either sit him or move him down in the order so that he hurts the Yankees less with his inability to drive the ball.

  56. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:05 am

    You can’t always depend on the offense to bail out bad starting pitching.

    The Yankees have won Andy’s starts because they have scored a lot of runs on the days he pitches. That’s not Andy giving them a chance to win.

    Traditionally, he is a better second half pitcher. Last year though, he wasn’t.

    This year, he’s allowed a ton of baserunners in all of his starts.

    He isn’t pitching well but, they can’t afford to move him out of the rotation because there is no replacement for him.

    Just have to hope he pitches better.

    Brandon,

    Saying Cano isn’t a #5 hitter isn’t giving up on him. He’s just not a good hitter when moved up in the order. He never has been.

    The key is to put players in the best possible positions to succeed. If Robbie is a better hitter down in the order, that’s where he should be.

    Forcing him into a spot in the order where he isn’t as successful isn’t smart.

  57. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 11:05 am

    m -

    I never even gave a thought to what the Mets should do to celebrate Mo’s 500th. It’s too bad it happened on the road, and too bad it happened on a night when there was no YES post-game coverage. I suppose they could have flashed a quick, Congratulations on their scoreboard, though.

    To me, that’s the real issue. Why doesn’t YES do pre- and post-games regardless of whether they have the game broadcast? They sometimes do, but not always. What is the point of having your own network?????

  58. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Mark Shapiro has said that Cliff Lee, Victor Martinez and Grady Sizemore are not going to be traded.

  59. YankeeFan4Eva June 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Is it true that the Phillies are looking at Wang?

  60. jpb1973 June 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Aren’t there enough DHs on this team ! And what are you trading to CLE, your not getting Victor for free.

    —————————————————–

    I’d give up one of the young catchers (among other prospects) to get Martinez. I see a move to get Martinez as a move for the future. None of the young catchers will be raedy to replace Posada in two years so Martinez can help to fill the void. Additionally, next season Damon, Nady and Matsui won’t be Yankees. It might be better to fill the DH spot by alternating Posada and Martinez.

  61. Glenn June 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    Mariano never did or ever will conduct a John Rocker show like Papelbon when closing out a game. Just his usual cool approach of shaking his catcher’s hand then on to the rest of his teammates.
    That’s why he gets full respect throughout the major leagues.

  62. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am

    “Brandon,
    Robi has never hit well with the bases loaded and being in the 5th spot with this lineup will cause him to be up in that type of situation. He left nine guys on base last night, not good.”

    Never ?

    2007

    w/RISP he was hitting .290/.333/.441
    w/ men on he was .315/.362/.487

    2008 he regressed, 2009 he’s struggling a bit. He’s better than that.

  63. m June 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    With Cano, you have to fix the problem, not just make cosmetic changes by shifting him around.

    Work on his approach with men on base (never mind the bases loaded). That’s a Jeter specialty, slowing the game down, etc.

    Last night? Swinging at that 2-0 outside pitch? He had fixed that problem last season. And had been more patient in his hot start this year. Not necessarily drawing walks, but actually getting to 3-2 counts and fouling off a lot pitches.

    He just needs to learn that the first or second pitch is not necessarily the best pitch he’s going to see. But that may not matter to him because he’s not a thinker, he’s a swinger.

    Who the heck was his hitting coach in the minors?

  64. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    “*I’d give up one of the young catchers* (among other prospects) to get Martinez. I see a move to get Martinez as a move for the future. None of the young catchers will be raedy to replace Posada in two years so Martinez can help to fill the void. Additionally, next season Damon, Nady and Matsui won’t be Yankees. It might be better to fill the DH spot by alternating Posada and Martinez.”

    Yeh that’s not happening.

  65. Boogie Down Bob June 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    ADam,

    Thats not going to happen re:Matsui. He’s in the final year of his contract, and his bat still has some value.

    The Yankees are going to take whatever they can get from him this season, and then opt to not resign him this coming off-season.

  66. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Doreen,

    ESPN has exclusive rights to Sunday night. I don’t even think they can have a pre or post-game show on Sunday nights, under the terms of the network deal.

  67. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    “Is it true that the Phillies are looking at Wang?”

    They had scouts watching him last night.

  68. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Cash is King -

    I agree with that – if the wrist is an issue and he can’t drive the ball, perhaps a break from #5 would be best.

    When Matsui is back in the lineup, they’ll probably move Cano anyway, I’d think.

    I usually don’t sweat these types of things. I suppose the Yankees feel they need to give him a real shot to succeed there, because if he does come around, it would be pretty special.

  69. YankeeFan4Eva June 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    “Is it true that the Phillies are looking at Wang?”

    “They had scouts watching him last night.”

    Who would the Phillies give up?

  70. Boogie Down Bob June 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Yankeefan4eva,

    I did see that rumor on espn.com yesterday. I do know Philly is looking hard for a high end starting pitcher.

    I’m not sure if the Yankees, however, are even interested in exploring what type of haul Wang could bring back to them in a trade.

    It wouldn’t hurt to listen, but I doubt anything will come of it.

  71. Zach in Port Jeff June 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    I just think Robi’s approach at the plate is not conducive to hitting lower in the order. With Tex and Arod hitting ahead of him, pitchers are more likely to bear down on Cano. More often then not, they will make their pitches and hit their spots…because they have to.

    Hitting lower in the order allows him to jump on those 1st or 2nd pitch fastballs or mistake pitches.

    Could he become a decent middle of the order guy? Probably so…just not right now. Right now, he’s an excellent 6 or 7 guy.

  72. m June 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    Anyone who thinks the Yankees are going to jettison Hideki during the season is not thinking like the Yankees. Even if they could trade him, doesn’t mean they would. They’d rather have him come on the bench than part with him.

  73. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    “Who would the Phillies give up?”

    IDK, but if they want Wang the only way I see the Yankees dealing him is if they are over whelmed w/ a deal. Since Philly is talking I expect Atlanta and a few more in the NL to take a looksy at Wanger.

  74. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am

    The guys on wfan don’t think we can win the division. 2 Mets fans lol.

  75. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Zach,

    That’s exactly it. Plus, by the time pitchers get to Cano, they are a bit worn down from facing the other guys in the order. That plays to Cano’s advantage.

    He’s never going to be a patient hitter who works counts. Its just not his game and that’s not a knock to him. Its not who he is as a hitter.

    That’s why he is much better hitting lower in the order.

    We are almost halfway through the season. Tryout time is over.

    You have to set your lineup and pitching staff and make a push. Moving Cano down in the order makes him a more dangerous hitter and makes the lineup better.

    Hopefully, Girardi moves him down now that he has the DH back.

  76. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    I never really had a problem with Cano hitting 6th or 7th. I felt if really showed the depth of the Yankees lineup.

    My “thing” is if the issue is hitting with RISP, what difference does it make where he’s hitting? If he can’t do that at #5, why should he be able to do it at 6 or 7?

  77. YankeeFan4Eva June 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Doreen,

    he will see different pitches.

  78. Rishi June 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am

    SNY had a post game last night…

  79. jason June 29th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    I think Posada should be the # 5 guy batting behind Arod.
    I don’t mind Cano at 6 ahead of Matsui, but either way works.
    You could also go Posada, Cano, Swisher, Matsui on the days the days that Melky brings the switch hitting to the 9 spot.

  80. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Matsui has a full no trade, an 8 figure salary, and can’t play in the field any longer. He’s not going anywhere for the rest of this year.

    There are no trade proposals that will take place, nor will the Yankees release him. In fact, if they are able to monitor his play, he will help them win games the second half of the year.

  81. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Or am I missing a point somewhere? :lol:

  82. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    YankeeFan4Eva
    June 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
    Doreen,
    he will see different pitches.

    —————–

    Aha! The point I was missing. :)

  83. DB June 29th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    I think Cano just needs to be more selective. He is the quintissential hacker. Last night, case in point, the count was 2-0 with the bases loaded and he swings at the next pitch up in the zone and grounds out to the second baseman. What it kill him to take astrike there?

  84. m June 29th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    What are Cano’s #’s with 2 strikes? Are they bad? You rarely see him strike out because, well, he hardly gets to 2 strikes.

    In spring training, they need to start him off with 2 strike counts. :)

  85. CB June 29th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    “My “thing” is if the issue is hitting with RISP, what difference does it make where he’s hitting? If he can’t do that at #5, why should he be able to do it at 6 or 7?”

    It’s not even necessarily that he’ll be better with RISP lower in the order – he would hurt the team less and possibly help them more lower in the order.

    The issue now is that Cano is up directly after all of the guys in the line up who get on base a lot.

    Jeter’s OBP – .375; Damon – .350; Tex – .380; Alex – .390. Those are approximate figures for where they are.

    So Cano is going to get a ton of at bats with men on base and men scoring position.

    And he’s wasting those opportunities and that is significantly hurting the team.

    His approach with RISP isn’t very good. Pitchers take advantage of his hyperaggressiveness.

    Moving him lower in the order would guarantee that he’d have fewer opportunities to hit with RISP while at the same time giving other players the opportunity to do so.

    And on the whole, Posada is just a much better offensive player than Cano. Much better.

  86. Tom in N.J. June 29th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    “What are Cano’s #’s with 2 strikes? Are they bad? You rarely see him strike out because, well, he hardly gets to 2 strikes.”

    Cano’s 2009 stats with 2 strikes:

    .246BA .265OBP .447SLG .712OPS

    http://www.baseball-reference......;t=b#count

  87. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Thanks, CB.

  88. DB June 29th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    I know Girardi loves to do the righty lefty thing but is it really that necessary? They could go:
    Jeter
    Damon
    Tex
    ARod
    Posada
    Cano
    Matsui
    Swisher
    Gardner

    It puts your better hitters first, but makes you left handed dominant in the later innings.

  89. Joekuh – The Wang will love to sink again! June 29th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Interesting that the Phillies are looking @ Wang. When he’s on, he’s a groundball pitcher. That helps in those parks where a lot of homeruns are hit…

  90. m June 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Thanks, Tom

    Those don’t look horrible.

    # of PA that actually end up in 2 strike counts will probably be low, though. :)

  91. john_halfz June 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    SJ has apparently taken it upon himself to lead the Cano charge. I guess that makes sense now that Swisher’s June numbers have given him less to chirp about on that front.

    SJ is a lot more balanced than most pepole on this site. And he’s appropiately dismissive of ledge jumpers. But the arrogance when latching on to his cause du jour is a bit much.

    If Cano had rolled over on those grounders last night, that would be one thing. He smoked a 2-0 pitch right at someone, though. As far as “taking pitches,” it strikes me as being the textbook approach to ABs to take a rip at a 2-0 pitch you like. Wait until a three or four hit game. Then SJ will noiselessly fold up his Cano tent and move to the next sermon on the mount.

    What’s Swish doing this month, SJ? Surely not enough for an “everyday player,” right? Because his “niche” is on the bench. Or maybe he just got hit in the hand and struggled for a few weeks…

  92. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    You never want to stack lefties in an order. It makes you susceptible to lefty relievers late in a game.

    The Yankees can avoid that and move Cano down in the order.

    He’s just not a good #5 hitter. Its not even a debatable point.

    I’d rather they put him in a spot where he succeeds.

    To his credit, he no longer takes offensive struggles onto the field. He has played brilliant defensive all year.

  93. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Andy hasn’t pitched that poorly. On the road, the Yanks have won six games he started – 4-1, 4-3, 8-2, 3-1, 5-1 and 11-7, and lost one game he started – 4-1. You can’t begin to claim that the Yank bats were bailing him out on the road.

    At home, the Yanks have won 5 games he started – 5-3, 10-9, 7-6, 5-4 and 5-3, and lost three games he started 8-6, 4-2 and 6-2. In general he obviously hasn’t pitched well at the Stadium, but in only two of the wins can you fairly claim the Yank bats bailed him out.

    Andy is fine for a number 4 or 5 starter.

  94. DB June 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    The problem with the 2-0 pitch was that it wasn’t a strike. He makes contact no matter where you put it. He is a bad ball hitter. (much like Yogi). But, he has the potential to be more like Rod Carew. He just needs to be more selective. You swing at strikes and you have a better chance of driving the ball.

  95. CB June 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    I usually don’t get all that caught up in the line up – in general it doesn’t matter all that much other than that players with higher OBP should be grouped together.

    That said the yankees have two players in their line up who have very extreme splits in their skill sets and I think those skill may warrant rearranging the line up.

    We’ve talked about Cano. He has an amazing ability to make contact on pitches but a limited ability to get on base. He probably should be moved down in the line up. That’s been discussed.

    Robbi is hitting around .200 with RISP.

    The other guy is Swisher. He has a remarkable ability to get on base but limited ability to get base hits (and yes he can also hit for power and strike out… not saying this is his only ability/weakness).

    Swisher is hitting around .200 with RISP. But Swisher is getting on base with RISP at a phenomenal clip of .478. That is sub-optimal but amazing.

    Swisher won’t hurt you that much with RISP but he’s not going to help you all that much either in those situations – or not at least in the way you’d want. He won’t knock in the run but he’ll pass the baton by not making an out and advancing the runners up one station.

    Given that I think his extreme skill set would be best utilized by having him hit in front of Tex and Alex. He should hit in the 2 hole. Hitting in front of Tex and Alex and hopefully Posada in the 5 hole Swisher’s passing the baton approach won’t hurt as much and in fact will create a lot of new RBI opportunities for teh 3,4,5 hitters.

    I’d think about leaving Jeter leading off, Swisher 2 and then moving Damon down to 6. Damon hasn’t done anything to deserve being moved down – I just think his skill set would be better served hitting after Tex, Alex, and Posada than before them given Swisher’s extreme split skill set.

  96. Stultus Magnus June 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Finally, the “Cano shouldn’t be batting 5th” movement is gaining steam. I didn’t like it since Jorge came back and it baffled me repeatedly. They gave him plenty of ABs in that spot to see what he could do there, so at least they gave him a shot to prove he can’t do or protect anything. Putting him lower in the line-up makes the line-up stronger, top and bottom.

    I haven’t been around for a few days, so I don’t know what people were saying when DeRosa was dealt, but I hope nobody lost their head. Another bat would be good, but I don’t believe the Yanks need another bullpen arm, it seems like they have some options in the minors, I’d try Melancon again and maybe Dunn before you start dealing for Street (the new DeRosa).

    Also, reading reports about how the Phils are interested in Wang. I hope the Yanks aren’t putting him on the block. But my guess from Cashman’s 180 (“Wang’s contract says baseball player, not starter” to “he’s a starter and needs to be in the rotation”) is that they would trade him. Hopefully I’m totally wrong about that though.

  97. bru June 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    the yankees would be foolish to trade wang now.it would deplete our pitching debth.

    our offense is good enough.the pen is where we need help.

    if we can get a bat without giving up too much fine but we finally have a good pitching staff with a little debth.

    why mess with that?

    wang is coming around & will help us a ton down the stretch.

  98. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Interesting John that your reading skills are so poor.

    I’m, “leading the charge” on Cano? Really?

    Why don’t you look at Pete’s comments in the game thread last night and get back to me.

    “Smoking groundballs”? Interesting.

    He’s facing a guy throwing 85 MPH, in a hitters count, and can’t hit the ball in the air in his AB’s. The proper hitting approach in those situations are what hitting coaches call, A SF AB. Hit the ball in the air.

    The proper approach isn’t hitting the ball on the ground in that situation. Especially when you are facing a pitcher whose fastball you can drive.

    The guy is a career .230 hitter with the bases loaded. He has hit poorly with RISP all year.

    That’s not “leading the charge” on anything. Those are the FACTS.

    Perhaps facts hurt your feelings. If they do, I apologize.

    Wanting to see Cano hitting lower in the order, for the good of the team, is not exactly a sole thought by me.

    In fact, most people on here, as well as the people who report on the Yankees, are saying the same thing.

  99. DB June 29th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    I just checked GameDay. EVERY ball Cano put in play was off the plate and not a strike. Not a recipe for success.

  100. david June 29th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    @ Wave Your Hat

    Nice stats. Like you said, Andy is fine for a 4th/5th starter. Perfect transition to Hughes next year.

    Any word on whether McAllister’s stuff will translate?

  101. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 29th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Just win series

  102. Stultus Magnus June 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    “SJ has apparently taken it upon himself to lead the Cano charge.”

    Yeah, if you’ve been reading the blog for two days. I and a lot of other people were talking about it nearly every night.

  103. m June 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Oh, yeah, Andy.

    He hasn’t killed the team. The problem in the minds of a some fans, is that Hughes is probably the better option right now. I think Hughes is the better option, but it’s not right to shove Andy aside. He’s doing his part.

    If he can consistently do the 4 runs or less in 6 innings deal then he’s doing his job as a #5. Last season, Andy was our #2, and did well in the role until the shoulder issue popped up in the second half.

    It doesn’t have to be pretty, the results are all that matter. And it’s great having that veteran presence on the staff.

  104. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    If the Yankees can get a combo of Taylor/Bastardo for Wang they can put Bastardo in the BP and keep Taylor in the minors till 2010, another thing they can do is flip Taylor for a pitching haul to another team in the NL or AL. Either way it’s not like Wang in not expandable. You can get Arroyo for cheap and put him in Wang’s spot or another #4 SP.

    That’s only if. Yes SJ I know we can’t…. :roll:

  105. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Wave,

    1.54 WHIP, 143 baserunners in 90 innings, is not pitching well and averaging 6 innings per start. He’s surviving and that’s what Andy is best at.

    Perhaps that’s all he is at this stage of his career. That said, his numbers don’t suggest he’s pitching well. You would like to see some improvement in the second half from him.

    If that happens, they become a more dangerous team.

  106. bru June 29th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    i would put mo higher in the order over cano.

  107. Stultus Magnus June 29th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    john_halfz,

    Please, there were times when Cano went 4-4 in the 5th spot, that doesn’t mean he belongs there.

    It’s not a spot for him and it’s pretty clear. I’m more surprised that nobody has been asking Joe G about it. It’s a question I had every day. It was mind-boggling.

    Cano doesn’t belong there.

  108. SJ44 June 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Brandon,

    Bastardo is hurt right now. You want to trade a upper end starting pitcher for an injured pitcher and a AA OF.

    That’s not a good trade for the Yankees.

  109. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    In general I don’t think you should construct your lineup around how hitters are performing in RISP situations. In general, I don’t think how a hitter has performed in RISP situations in the past will predict how he will perform in the future.

    Cano, though, is an exception IMO. With the exception of 2007, he has throughout his career, and in almost every season, hit better with the bases empty than with runners on or with RISP. At some point you just have to give up and say what a batter has done is what the batter will continue to do.

    I don’t think it is the 5th spot that makes him hit poorly, and I don’t think hitting there will cause him to improve. I just think he needs to bat where he will get more opportunities to hit with the bases empty. I think he might even be a very good leadoff hitter (an exception to not leading off with low OBP guys) because with the bases empty he is an excellent hitter.

  110. david June 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Andy’s WHIP has never been a good indication of his performance. He always puts a lot of runners on base and manages to survive.

    Remember, the guy is a #4 or #5 starter. Would you rather have Penney or Smoltz? I still feel pretty good in most of Andy’s pitching matchups.

  111. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    “1.54 WHIP, 143 baserunners in 90 innings, is not pitching well and averaging 6 innings per start. He’s surviving and that’s what Andy is best at.”

    But most of that comes from poor performances at the Stadium. He needs to improve at home and I’d like to see that. But if you look around the league, most 4th or 5th starters have issues.

  112. Joekuh – The Wang will love to sink again! June 29th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Brandon, I think u meant Wang isn’t expendable. That last way you spelt it made for some literal LOL’s @ work. :D

  113. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=5306205

    For anyone who missed Mos 500th

  114. bru June 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    enough with the arroyo talk.

    he stinks.

    we finally have a good pitching staff with debth.

    leave it alone.

    one or two injuries & we are scrambling for pitching.

    we need bullpen help & if possible a rh bat.

    if wang starts pitching well we are that much better with a little debth.

  115. DB June 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Pettitte makes at least one gesture on the mound a night indicating his back is a problem. Last year he hid a shoulder problem, this year it looks like the back. He needs to recognize he is not finishing his pitches and he is getting tagged.

  116. DB June 29th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Is Shelley Duncan really that bad if we need a rh bat? I know he flails at the breaking stuff but isn’t he still tearing it up in AAA?

  117. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 29th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    DB, I’m pretty sure Cody Ransom was also tearing up AAA before.

  118. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    If the Yanks didn’t call up Duncan for the games in the NL parks why would they call him up now? Not going to happen unless there’s another injury, IMO.

  119. m June 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    WHIP, ship. Joba’s WHIP is 1.41, AJ’s is 1.37. Too many walks from everyone but CC in general.

    Without cheating, who leads the AL with least runs allowed (4.1 runs per game)? And where do you think the Yankees rank in the AL in that same category?

  120. DB June 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Brandon, Ransom hasn’t exactly been a sloutch since he got back. It’s not like he is cracking the starting lineup. If a rh bat is all you want then what else can you do?

    I’d rather see us trade our glut of outfielders and minors pitching depth and pick up a better one.

    Or, just get the veteran reliever. A rh hitter doesn’t sound like to me a priority.

  121. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    “Without cheating, who leads the AL with least runs allowed (4.1 runs per game)?”

    Could it also be the team which scores the fewest runs per game in the AL?

  122. tampayank June 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    “YankeeFan4Eva June 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    “Is it true that the Phillies are looking at Wang?”

    “They had scouts watching him last night.”

    Who would the Phillies give up?”
    maybe their pitching coach can get him right since Eiland can’t so far…Wang just doesn’t look the same, at this point between the 2, Hughes would have been the better starter if there is no improvement…the Yanks could get 5 inning outings from Ponson

  123. m June 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    WYH,

    I think so, at least pretty close to the bottom.

  124. DB June 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Yanks are 13 and 7 against lefties. Who needs a rh hitter? They’ve got too many switch hitters know for it even to matter, imo.

  125. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    m-

    It’s going to be a low scoring series, I guess, although the new Stadium may work its offensive magic anyway.

  126. bru June 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    ponson,arroyo do not have the upside that wang has.
    wang has also done it in the al east,has a reasonable contract.

    if wang is traded he has to bring back something that can help us now & a pen arm is not enough.

    if i am cashman i trade a few good prospects for a good bullpen arm.
    the best one i can get.

    i would not trade montero & a few others.

  127. m June 29th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    WYH,

    I think you got it. lol.

    Seattle’s ranked 1 and the Yankees rank 14 in the AL for runs allowed.

    Have a good off day, guys.

  128. Vrsce June 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    tampayank

    Wang’s confidence is shot. He is hoping but not believing.

    Maybe a change of venue will help him out.

  129. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    Pettitte has actually pitched very very well this season on the road. He’s having major issues at home that he’ll have to overcome.

    Home: 3-2, 5.77 ERA, 1.70 WHIP, .332 BAA

    Road: 4-1, 2.79 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, .228 BAA

    He’s obviously much more comfortable pitching on the road this season and the stats clearly bear that out.

  130. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Here’s an interesting stat on our pen.

    Yank relievers have allowed only 31% of inherited runners to score, which is third best in the AL behind only Boston and Seattle.

  131. vic June 29th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    will Girardi continue to use impatient, unselective, undisciplined GIDP KING/RISP joker in the 5 hole, where he is OBVIOUSLY unsuited?

    will Girardi realize that Cano’s “approach” (which, really is NO approach) at the plate is best suited to 7th/8th position

  132. CB June 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Wilson Betemit is now playing for the mets AAA team.

    I’m not sure if that’s more a tell tale sign for how bad the mets are right now or betemit.

    Whatever you think of Swisher and his limitations, that trade in the off season was great. Swisher will more than make up in value the cost of his salary this year.

    Look at how bare the trade market has been for bats. Acquiring Mark DeRosa has been made out as some major offensive addition for the Cubs. If the yanks tried to acquire, in season, a player like Swisher after Nady got hurt they would have paid through the nose.

    And to think they got Swisher for Betemit and Jeff Marquez. Fantastic trade.

  133. CompassRosy June 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    Hey Yank fans!

    Hard to believe it’s nearly July and tomorrow will be the first time our teams have met all season. Should be an interesting series with the major league home run leaders hosting the major league ERA leaders – something’s gotta give ;-)

    Several days back a poster (DB) was speculating as to why fan would ever read or post on a rival site. This was my rationale (fwiw, in case you were wondering)…

    The first fan forum I ever read/posted on was the Yankee Forum on the NY Times in 2001 – although it was quite by happenstance. I had gone to the online paper originally to get news about 9/11 and came upon the forum there and started reading/posting during the ALCS.

    Obviously, it was a very disappointing post season for my team, but I was hooked on the forum (and read/posted there until it’s demise a couple of years ago).

    Since then, I have settled in at what I think is a great M’s forum and that’s where I hang out for the most part. But, I continue to visit rival sites (especially a particular Angel forum) because I enjoy being informed about my teams competition.

    Anyhoo ~ looking forward to the series. And, there’s one thing I’m sure of…
    no matter how the next 3 days shake out, Yank fans will be HUGE M’s fans this coming weekend. ‘t will be nice to have the Empire on our side ;-)

  134. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    I think the movement to get Cano out of the fifth slot in the lineup is going to be the big story of this off day.

    Last week it was Posada needed to DH more because he can’t catch anymore and a few weeks ago it was Joba was on the verge of going back to the pen after a rough outing.

    Of course neither of those stories were had an ounce of truth in them. This one regarding Cano is legit.

  135. YankWatcher June 29th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Thank God that nothing that is said here on this blog has any influence at all over the decision making of Yankees general management!

    You can move hitters around, slam certain players, and recommend all the trades you want. It is obvious that most of your opinions are very different from those who actually know anything about the business of running a major league baseball team.

  136. Nicholas June 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Isn’t it Brandon Morrow?

  137. DB June 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Guiseppe, Pettitte was bombed in his last start in Atlanta. Lately, it seems he pitches one good start then one bad. I still think his back is bothering him. As SJ likes to call it “Pavano Syndrome”. More importantly for him, he has got innings incentives in his contract.

    If he has another bomb like he did in Atlanta, I think the scrutiny will start regardless of the venue.

  138. Vrsce June 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    YankWatcher

    What did that mean?

  139. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    it meant that if the Yankees made 1/2 of the moves suggested here we would be competing with the Nationals for the worst record in baseball.

  140. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    nonetheless, it is still fun to discuss potential trades/moves/adjustments and should not be condemned because this is after all a discussion board.

  141. john_halfz June 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Lots of air about lineup construction. A big idea with minimal impact, obviously. But don’t let that stop you. Is it even worth talking about “clutch” given the extraordinary variability of such numbers?

    2008: .267/.375/.438 (overall OPS .965)
    2007: .349/.439/.706 (overall OPS 1.067)

    Yep. That’s A-Rod in “high leverage” situations.

    How about Swisher? For his career, he’s most productive in high leverage situations. This year, he’s at his least productive.

    The idea of players who can’t hit in certain situations or certain lineups is vastly overstated, and is the product of outliers and small sample size.

  142. JoeyA June 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    IMO, if you’re going to promote anybody, why not Ajax?

    We’ve given Pedro Sorano, I mean Shelley Duncan his chance up here. The kid gives up more versatility, despite less power than Shelley. But what’s the point of power when the league has scouting reports titled, “Don’t throw your fastball”

    Personally, I don’t think any offensive additions need be made @ this point. a RH reliever is mainly all this team needs.

    But, if it’s deemed necessary to promote a bat, I’m for AJax to show us what he’s got, especially over Shelley Duncan.

    I mean, come on, does 21 homers in SWB really mean anything when we have seen what happens when he is @ ML level?

    It’s like saying Igawa deserves a promotion to the team based on his performance in AAA over Melancon.

  143. DB June 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Thanks for the shout out CompassRosy, I did question it, but also surmassed that “to each his own”. You are, however, nothing remotely like a troll. Your well intentions are met with a “may the best team win.”

  144. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    “t meant that if the Yankees made 1/2 of the moves suggested here we would be competing with the Nationals for the worst record in baseball.”

    But if the Yanks made the other 1/2 of the moves suggested here we could be in first!

  145. Vrsce June 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Just what should a Yankees blog discuss?

    Care to set the rules?

  146. E-gawa June 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    Hey, The Yankees didn’t make any moves suggested last year and they finished 3rd!

  147. DB June 29th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    JoeyA, Shelley absolutely tore it up in 07 and then was given 57 AB’s in 08 which he stunk it up in. I wouldn’t exactly call that a fair shake.

  148. gayle June 29th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    I was at the game and they did acknowledge Mo’s 500 by saying that it was his 500th save. As an opposing team not sure they needed to do more than that. It is not like it is the middle of the game and someone hit their 500th HR where you can actually put something on the scoreboard and really ackowledge it. People were leaving the stadium.

  149. Wave Your Hat June 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    “The idea of players who can’t hit in certain situations or certain lineups is vastly overstated, and is the product of outliers and small sample size.”

    Go to baseball reference, go to splits for Cano. Check out how Cano has hit with bases empty, with men on, and with RISP this year, last year, each year of his career, and for his career.

    Then come back and tell me about outliers and small sample size if you like.

  150. vb03 June 29th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Wang is coming around. He’s not getting dealt unless it’s for a 5 tool OF.

  151. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    DB June 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Guiseppe, Pettitte was bombed in his last start in Atlanta. Lately, it seems he pitches one good start then one bad. I still think his back is bothering him. As SJ likes to call it “Pavano Syndrome”. More importantly for him, he has got innings incentives in his contract.

    If he has another bomb like he did in Atlanta, I think the scrutiny will start regardless of the venue.

    —————

    No, he wasn’t good against the Braves. But he was outstanding against the Marlins in his previous start, which led the Yanks to their only win in that series.

    Before that start against the Braves, Pettitte’s road ERA for the season was around 2.30 ERA.

    It’s always better to judge the entire picture rather than small samples.

    He has been very good on the road this season and not good at all at home. It’s something he’ll have to adjust to.

  152. matt June 29th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    JOBAAAAA

  153. G. Love June 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    I understand what the Yankees are tying to do with Cano by trying to force him into a more pressured spot in the lineup in the hopes it makes him adjust his game and grow.

    I get it.

    It’s still not working. Having him in the 5 hole last night was a disaster.

    If the Mets had any offense, we’d be crucifying Cano worse than we already are.

    I’ve seen this part of his game enough to know the minute the manager moves him above 6 in the lineup he struggles.

    His inability to his with RISP is unbelievable for a guy with his “talent”.

    This is why the guy is lightning rod for Yankee fans.

    He’s emblematic of the struggles of this offense with the feast or famine nature of it and the struggles with RISP.

    If he’s not costing the team wins with him in the 5 hole I’m not against the “experiment” of trying to develop him further as a hitter.

    Once he starts costing the team wins though, it’s time to give it up.

    Jorge and Matsui can hit into DP’s as adeptly as Cano in the 5 hole. They also have a much better ability right now at plating a run than he does in those situations.

  154. Coach6423 June 29th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Shelly Duncan is not the answer. Unless he is drinking Jobu’s rum….

  155. Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm

    Second half Andy
    Historically it’s been true
    Last year, not so much

  156. ANSKY June 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    SJ -

    “You would like to see some improvement in the second half from him.” (regarding Pettitte)

    Do you have a feel for how soon they’d be willing to give Hughes the nod if Pettitte would (like last year) begin to fade in the second half?

  157. Andrew June 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    If Pettitte is having health issues in the 2nd half this year, they will be quicker to DL him and insert Hughes into the rotation because they have someone like Phil ready to step in. Last year they didn’t have the manpower to replace Andy when he was hurting and they couldn’t force him to sit down and get healthy.

    This year even stubborn Andy will relent if his body is barking and he knows that the team has 3-4 other good to great starters in front of him + Hughes ready to fill in for him until he is healthy.

  158. betsy June 29th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    SJ/CB, what do you think the Yankees should do with Andy? He’s been bad – there are no two ways about it and I think he has let YS get into his head. Phil as a starter would be up and down most likely, but his stuff is very good – and I wonder if he’d give us a better chance to win. I know Andy battles, but sometimes that’s not enough. We’ve got two real question marks in the rotation and that’s not going to be good enough in this division. I don’t think the Yanks would ever remove him from the rotation, do you?

  159. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Pettitte faded last year in the second half because his shoulder was really hurting him.

    If he’s healthy, I expect him to repeat his career tendencies in the second half this season.

  160. bru June 29th, 2009 at 12:50 pm

    right now the only thing we need is bullpen help & that isn’t even in stone.

    many can argue that we don’t need anything but with bruney’s injury concerns,hughes & the youth in the pen i think it is reasonable to say a good 8th inning guy is all we need.

    we can put bruney in the 7th inning slot or keep him in the 8th inning.

    if we can establish a definite long man wich we have in hughes & ace,a solid 7th & 8th inning man wich we have one of in bruney we are set.

  161. Patrick from CT June 29th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    The Yankees just got Cody Ransom back and Berroa is finally off the team. I think unless there is and upgrade over Ransom or Pena, no moves should be made for a RH bat to replace Nady. This team needs two extra infielders on the bench with A-Rod needing days off. I just hope he starts getting those days off and does not slip back to batting .200 with no pop.
    The pen could use and upgrade over Tomko and maybe that is an effective Marte. If Marte ever comes back that is. Burney has not been great so hopefully he stops walking guys soon.
    A move for someone like Houston Street is going to cost, but he would be a great addition.

  162. rconn23 June 29th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    John,

    Great point. Some people like to sell “clutch” as if it is an elxir you can take and all of the sudden you have the ability to hit with runners in scoring position.

    Look at the numbers and you will see a WIDE array of players who hit well with RISP one year and didn’t the next. Must have not taken their “clutch” pills.

    Barry Bonds had the tag of being a “choker” or “not clutch”. Then he went on to have one of the greatest postseasons in history in 2002. Guess he took his “clutch” medicine.

    Wanna know why Derek Jeter hits so well with runners in scoring position or during the postseason. Because he is a terrific hitter. That’s why.

  163. Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Hughes should not be given Andy’s rotation spot.

    Glad I could clear that up.

  164. CB June 29th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    “How about Swisher? For his career, he’s most productive in high leverage situations. This year, he’s at his least productive.”

    “Productive” what a great euphamism. Being less specific than needed is a nice way to make an argument.

    Swisher’s value as an offensive player is almost entirely driven by his ability to get on base via the walk and to hit for decent power. And of those two his on base skills are far more notable than his power. Swisher is not Adam Dunn by a long shot.

    And with men on base – that is in context – drawing walks is of limited value. You only advance runners one station if there is already a man on first. If there is no man on first and you walk you’ve set up a double play and/ or force.

    So the net result is that you don’t make an out and “pass the baton.”

    So the in context value of that walk depends on what the hitter who the player is passing the baton to. If he’s passing the baton to Melky Cabrera then drawing a walk rather than swinging may not be a real valuable thing don’t you think? But if you’re passing the baton to Mark Teixeira it could have a much more significant value.

    People take sabermetric analysis, strip them of all context, turn them into cartoon arguments, and then believe they are somehow insightful by vaguely referring to them.

    Nicely done.

  165. ANSKY June 29th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Bernie Madoff got 150 years. Being 71 they’ll never put him in Riker’s … hopefully he doesn’t not at a country club jail either. He loses everything but somehow his wife gets to keep 2.5 million bucks. Poor gal … how will she ever make ends meet on the meager annuity from such an assortment of loose pocket change? Yeah sure it could have been hers in the first place but she lived like royalty for years upon years thanks to the scheme.

  166. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Every Yankee starter has let the Stadium get inside their heads a bit.

    Pettitte is not alone. Burnett has and Joba has as well. Joba’s home/road splits are very drastic.

    The only guy not who is not letting it bother him is Sabathia.

  167. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    Hughes should not be given Andy’s rotation spot.

    Glad I could clear that up.

    ————–

    Agreed. And Girardi is not going to do it.

    I think they really like Hughes where he is right now.

  168. Tom in N.J. June 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    The bullpen has been really good this month-2.53 era in June.

  169. bru June 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    the yankees don’t have any great starters to replace pettitte.

    hughes can.the problem is as long as pettitte is not on the dl & isn’t a disaster he will pitch.

    an era under 5 will not get pettitte pulled from the rotation.

  170. betsy June 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    By the way, who’s Nuke La Loosh? SJ has referred (or is it CB, sorry!) to AJ as having some of Nuke La Loosh in him and I’ve no clue…….please enlighten. Thanks!

  171. hardwired June 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    a five second video of Gary Sanchez throwing a dart to 2nd:

    http://www.vimeo.com/5254238

    Weird to have such a stock-pile of catching prospects…

  172. ANSKY June 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Giuseppe

    Not to lump Pettitte together with Pavano by association (Pavano could never be worthy of comparison to Pettitte) but I agree “when healthy he can pitch”.

    No question that Pettitte’s always been a real gamer. Question is, how much health does he have left in the tank?

  173. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    some one needs to tell Bruney that his new experiments with facial hair are the reason he has not pitched as well as he should…his face has seriously become a disaster. I’m not sure if his recent confrontation with FRod has left him needing to feel more grizzled or what but it’s just gotten silly and not a Giambi fun kind of silly. And I really like Bruney

  174. Stultus Magnus June 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    Betsy,
    Watch Bull Durham.

  175. Tom in N.J. June 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    He’s from the movie ‘Bull Durham’, Betsy.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094812/

  176. CB June 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    “How about Swisher? For his career, he’s most productive in high leverage situations. This year, he’s at his least productive.”

    “Productive” what a great euphamism. Being intentionally vague and non-specific is a nice way to make an argument.

    Swisher’s value as an offensive player is almost entirely driven by his ability to get on base via the walk and to hit for decent power. And of those two his on base skills are far more notable than his power. Swisher is not Adam Dunn by a long shot.

    And with men on base – that is in context – drawing walks is of limited value. You only advance runners one station if there is already a man on first. If there is no man on first and you walk you’ve set up a double play and/ or force.

    So the net result is that you don’t make an out and “pass the baton.”

    So the in context value of that walk depends on what the hitter who the player is passing the baton to. If he’s passing the baton to Melky Cabrera then drawing a walk rather than swinging may not be a real valuable thing don’t you think? But if you’re passing the baton to Mark Teixeira it could have a much more significant value.

    People take sabermetric analysis, strip them of all context, turn them into cartoon arguments, and then believe they are somehow insightful by vaguely referring to them.

    For his career Swisher is hitting .220 with RISP with a .364 OBP and a .417 Slg % for a .781. Those numbers track his overall career numbers. So this isn’t an issue of “random variation” or “small sample size.” It’s an issue of where his particular skill set can best be utilized given that he doesn’t get many basehits but draws a disproportionate number of walks.

  177. Andrew June 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Betsy,

    Nuke LaLoosh is the character that Tim Robbins played in Bull Durham. In his first minor league game in the film he pitched a game reminiscent of AJ’s no hitter when on the Marlins–struck out a bunch of guys but also walked a ton of people.

    He was wild and inconsistent but also unhittable when on.

    Bull Durham is worth a watch, not a great baseball movie but entertaining–more of a “romantic comedy” disguised as a sports movie.

  178. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    No question that Pettitte’s always been a real gamer. Question is, how much health does he have left in the tank?

    —————-

    I don’t know but I guess we’ll find out. He looked really good against the Marlins but not so good against the Braves.

    I don’t see the rotation changing anytime soon unless someone comes down with an injury.

  179. bru June 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    players find a way to stay healthy when incentives give them a chance to make an additional 5-7 million dollars a year.

    you can cut pettittes left arm off & he will pitch with his foot.

    trust.

  180. E-gawa June 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    What ever Joba’s problems are, it’s not the stadium. If you go past the ERA.. he’s given up less hits and less HR’s at home. He’s just walked more batters and pitched fewer innings. That’s not the fault of the stadium.

  181. Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    What are Joba’s HBP splits?

  182. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    walking more batters could be the result of trying to be “too perfect” with location due to a fear of giving up the home run…this would obviously lead to more pitches over fewer innings. If that’s the excuse though, Joba and the other pitchers need to get over it.

  183. bru June 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    pettitte has mastered pitching with injuries & managing to keep his era at 4.5 for years.
    unless his era baloons to 5 & over he will ride it out.

  184. Boogie Down Bob June 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Wow…on twitter theres a rumor going around that the list from the 2003 steroid testing has been leaked.

    I want to stress that no one has verified its accuracy, so at this point its pure speculation.

    But I wanted to pass along the link for everyone to take a look at.

    Bad for both Yankee and Red Sox fans…..http://rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318

  185. E-gawa June 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    “What are Joba’s HBP splits?”

    4 at home and 5 away.

  186. Andrew June 29th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    “He’s just walked more batters and pitched fewer innings. That’s not the fault of the stadium.”

    How is this not partly attributed to the Stadium, and to the effect it has had on Joba’s approach on the mound? Wouldn’t a pitcher be more focused on making the perfect pitch if psychologically he is convinced catching too much of the plate is a guaranteed home run or extra base hit? And that is a sure-fire way for a pitcher to see his walks rise, and probably at least a general possibility for why Joba has had shorter and less effective outings in New York. He is someone who can paint the corners, but when he is obsessed with painting them (like when he pitches in the “bandbox”) he ends up walking too many guys.

  187. Jim M June 29th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Here’s some more on “Nuke”….

    http://www.baseball-reference......ke_LaLoosh

    those are terrific lines. I can hear Robbins voice in my head.

  188. jennifer June 29th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Wet blanket is on the radio doing what he does best.

  189. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    yep, drawing in thousands of listeners who appear to hate him and dont have enough self control to just stay away.

  190. CB June 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    “How about Swisher? For his career, he’s most productive in high leverage situations. This year, he’s at his least productive.”

    “Productive” what a great euphemism. Being intentionally vague and non-specific is a nice way to make an argument.

    Swisher’s value as an offensive player is almost entirely driven by his ability to get on base via the walk and to hit for decent power. And of those two his on base skills are far more notable than his power. Swisher is not Adam Dunn by a long shot.

    And with men on base – that is in context – drawing walks is of limited value. You only advance runners one station if there is already a man on first. If there is no man on first and you walk you’ve set up a double play and/ or force.

    So the net result is that you don’t make an out and “pass the baton.”

    So the in context value of that walk depends on what the hitter who the player is passing the baton to. If he’s passing the baton to Melky Cabrera then drawing a walk rather than swinging may not be a real valuable thing don’t you think? But if you’re passing the baton to Mark Teixeira it could have a much more significant value.

    People take sabermetric analysis, strip them of all context, turn them into cartoon arguments, and then believe they are somehow insightful by vaguely referring to them.

    For his career Swisher is hitting .220 with RISP with a .364 OBP and a .417 Slg % for a .781. Those numbers track his overall career numbers. So this isn’t an issue of “random variation” or “small sample size.” It’s an issue of where his particular skill set can best be utilized given that he doesn’t get many basehits but draws a disproportionate number of walks.

  191. Fred June 29th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    I think this next start for Andy Pettitte might be one of his last. Seattle is just 12th in the AL in OPS. If Andy continues to struggle he should get demoted to the bullpen. Wang is in the same boat. He pitched ok last night, but he left a lot of pitches up that would have gotten hit by a competent lineup. Phil Hughes is a starting pitcher. He will regain his rotation spot and Andy or Wang will be demoted.

  192. jennifer June 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Why is Minnesota looking for revenge? did I miss something?

  193. Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    What are Joba’s shake-off splits?

  194. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 29th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Did we lose the series against the Mets? Listening to Francesa, it feels like we did. lol

  195. JoeyA June 29th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    How about instead of trading any players with a team, we simply trade stadiums with the Mets until the ASB.

    That gives them the added offensive power they need, and boosts our pitching’s confidence by giving them a football field behind their backs to work with.

    Just a thought :)

  196. Andrew June 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Nick I believe those splits are:

    Shake-offs with Posada as C: 1,424,205
    Shake-offs with Cervelli as C: 0

    /Truther’d

  197. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    Joba’s home/road splits:

    Home: 0-2, 5.18 ERA, 1.55 WHIP, .246 BAA

    Road: 4-0, 2.74 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, .255 BAA

    That’s pretty drastic. His approach is clearly different on the road than at home.

    He’s allowing more hits on the road but he’s also pounding the zone with much more regularity.

  198. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    no, but you are slowing losing in life if you’re listening to Francesca…

    without listening I’m going to guess that because it’s a slow NY sports day he’s drumming up some crap to get everyone’s panties in a bunch so they feel a need to call in or talk on and on about “omg, did you hear what Fatcesca said?!?”

  199. Joekuh June 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    SA, your first mistake is listening to ‘Cessuh in the first place!

  200. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    thank you Joekuh! And the second mistake was bringing that crap here

  201. Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Ha, thanks Andrew. That sounds about right.

  202. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 29th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    no, but you are slowing losing in life if you’re listening to Francesca…

    without listening I’m going to guess that because it’s a slow NY sports day he’s drumming up some crap to get everyone’s panties in a bunch so they feel a need to call in or talk on and on about “omg, did you hear what Fatcesca said?!?”

    ===============================

    No harm in listening if all I do is laugh at him. No panties are being bunched up here
    Besides-it’s all mets now ;)

  203. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    I’ll never understand why people listen to Francesa.

    It just doesn’t make any sense to me.

  204. E-gawa June 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    “How is this not partly attributed to the Stadium, and to the effect it has had on Joba’s approach on the mound? Wouldn’t a pitcher be more focused on making the perfect pitch if psychologically he is convinced catching too much of the plate is a guaranteed home run or extra base hit? And that is a sure-fire way for a pitcher to see his walks rise, and probably at least a general possibility for why Joba has had shorter and less effective outings in New York. He is someone who can paint the corners, but when he is obsessed with painting them (like when he pitches in the “bandbox”) he ends up walking too many guys.”

    I don’t think so. I think it’s more of a combination between his drop in velocity, his location this year and the fact that he likes to shake off a veteran catcher.

  205. Rishi June 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Alfredo (New York City)
    You wrote a recent article citing scouts that claimed A-Rod was declining rapidly. Shortly afterward, he got two days of rest and has been on a tear ever since. Perhaps reports of his long-term decline are premature?

    Buster Olney
    Alfredo: I did not write that he was declining rapidly. What I wrote was that as A-Rod struggled, a question that was being asked increasingly was whether he is going to be a lesser player since he presumably doesn’t use steroids any more. As I wrote in the piece, his struggles might have been based on his hip surgery, or it might be a combination of all of the above; nobody can know the answer to that. He has looked much better over the last five days, no question about it — but that doesn’t change the fact that the question of how much steroids aided him as a player is not going to go away during the last 8 1/2 years of his contract.

  206. E-gawa June 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    “What are Joba’s shake-off splits?”

    I wish there was a stat for that.

  207. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Joba shakes off every catcher. Cervelli is not immune by any stretch.

  208. Rayvt June 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    I believe the Yankees are going to get Jermaine Dye from the CWS in a 3-way deal. I don’t know this of course, but I believe with Nady being out that htis is the move the Yankees want most. I also believe Hughes/Bruney are the setup guys for most of the year after AS Break. I think Houston will cost too much to be added.

  209. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    I heard the Francesa’s opening statement before I had an opportunity to change the channel.

    In what universe is a fanbase not every allowed to feel good about their team winning? I realize the Mets were (are) a depleted team. But if the Yankees lose to them, I’m sure he would have said the Yankees should be embarrassed. But we’re to take no pride in the fact that the Yankees beat a team they are “supposed” to beat. And since the Yankees are “supposed” to win every game they play, I guess the Yankees fanbase is never supposed to enjoy a victory.

    How much fun is that?????? Why be a fan????? Baseball might be a business for the teams, but for us it is entertainment.

    I feel bad for Francesa and anyone like him who can’t allow themselves to feel happy that the team did what it was “supposed” to do.

  210. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    sorry to pounce there S.A. — I’d proudly lead the anti-Francesca brigaid if there was such a thing and the funny thing is, I’m out of market and don’t really “get” to hear him. Saw him for about 5 minutes on YES once and realized he had nothing to contribute to my Yankee fandom and was not worth my time. I just get tired of the complaints/discussion about him here because it’s so predictable. Some one will post some dumb thing he’s said and about 10 people will say what an idiot he is, while one guy will always agree with him and then get trashed for the day. I guess my complaining only contributes to the cycle so after today I’ll cut it out.

  211. Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    It might be fear that gives Joba the shakes. Cervelli is a soother.

  212. E-gawa June 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Not counting the Cubs series, The first game at New Yankee stadium was the 16th.. The 17th was Joba’s first start at home and he walked 5. The stadium didn’t even have that reputation yet so it shouldn’t have been in his head.

  213. E-gawa June 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    April 16th, 17th*

  214. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html

    Story Highlights:

    1). We should question the greatness of players who are caught using steroids

    2). A-Rod is batting .223 since returning; Manny is expected back July 3

    3). Could it be that without drugs players like A-Rod, Manny aren’t that good?

  215. Tom in N.J. June 29th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    “Bad for both Yankee and Red Sox fans….

    http://rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318

    Wow so out of the 104 names more than 20 have played on either the Yankees or Red Sox.

  216. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    This is one helluva list if it turns out to be true:

    http://rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318

    Damon, Manny, Ortiz, Pedro Martinez (!), Soriano, K-Rod (!), Derrek Lee, Bobby Abreu, Carlos Zambrano, Aramis Ramirez, Roberto Alomar, Oliver Perez, etc, etc.

    Boy, A-Rod really took the big fall in the spring if this is true. Lots and lots of very big names and future Hall of Famers.

  217. Joekuh – The Wang will love to sink again! June 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    SA, I’m just messing with you. I know you only lissen to Cessuh for laughs. No other reason to do it, IMO.

  218. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    there’s not a name on that list that would be a complete shock if it turns out to be the real deal…the funny thing is, I imagine that if that list is correct, the fallout for all of those names will be less than it was for A-Rod.

  219. 86w183 June 29th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Dye would be an excellent addition, but what about the price tag? Chisox are only five games back so they’re not in “sell off” mode. the guys on that team I’d really like are Danks and Thornton but that ain’t happening.

  220. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    Joekuh – The Wang will love to sink again! June 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    SA, I’m just messing with you. I know you only lissen to Cessuh for laughs. No other reason to do it, IMO.

    ===========================

    Also to find new ways to mispronounce words/names and new phrases:

    idear
    udder
    Jobber
    Youuuuuuuuuse
    Jetah
    Madiano
    Franceser
    ANDY PETTITTE IS A STARTING PITCHA!!

    ;)

  221. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    Doreen,

    That’s why Francesa is a tool. Winning these games against the Mets are just as important as winning games against anyone else.

    We should simply be happy they won. Period.

    A win against a hapless Mets’ team counts the same as a win against the Red Sox.

    What the Yanks need to continue to do is beat the teams they are supposed to beat. That’s what good teams are supposed to do and how they contend all season.

    It’s not simply focusing on your rivals and diminishing the meaning or importance of every win because they’ve had their issues with the Red Sox this season.

    I’m not a New Yorker so I don’t savor wins against the Mets anymore than I savor them against anyone else.

  222. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    It also would not be a surprise if a good portion of the names, if this is an accurate list, played for either the Yankees or the Red Sox. The Yankees and the Red Sox have historically gone after the best free agents, the guys with the best stats, the best players. That some of them would have taken PEDs can’t be a surprise to many people. I guess the Yankees would’ve gotten post-PED Damon, though. :)

    Do you really think it’s “the list,” though?

  223. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Giuseppe Franco

    I don’t know about that. I would wait until a major outlet confrims it.

  224. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 29th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    http://rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318

    =======================

    That is some list.

  225. dennis-Costanza June 29th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Nick-

    Happy Monday. Where are you traveling to today?

    CB-

    Holy smoke you are on fire today. I just read the posts and you must have slept good last night!

    All-

    Congrats re: Mo. He is simply the best, ever.

    The Sox and Yanks are duking it out like two heavy weight fighters. Sure beats Spring Training banter..

    -dennis

  226. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    It should be 105 names not 104 :)

  227. jennifer June 29th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Not really shocked by any those names.

  228. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Giuseppe Franco -

    Absolutely. I just want them to win; and I feel I deserve the freedom to be happy if they win, no matter who they beat or how they do it!!! Including so-called “gift” wins. :)

    I meant to change the channel before his show began (I watched Centerstage and was doing some stuff around the house with the 12:00 show on in the background). I don’t even like the sound of his voice.

  229. Bronx Jeers June 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Probables for this weekend:

    Brian Tallet vs AJ
    Halladay vs Wang (nice)
    Scott Richmond vs Joba

    Don’t forget Friday nighters that we have a day game.

  230. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm

    Carl June 29th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Giuseppe Franco

    I don’t know about that. I would wait until a major outlet confrims it.

    —————-

    No doubt.

    We saw similar unconfirmed lists that were leaked before the Mitchell Report and many of those names turned out to be completely bogus.

  231. Andrew June 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    I think that list is plausible, but I think that list is also just pretty much a compilation of all the top players on rosters of all the big teams in 2003. This could be the same as the bogus Mitchell Report list that floated shortly before the real one was leaked/released. I will wait for a finalized, fully-vetted and cited/sourced list until I’m sold.

  232. Giuseppe Franco June 29th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    I’m not too worried about Wang facing Halladay.

    They can’t beat Halladay no matter who they have on the hill.

  233. CB June 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    “In what universe is a fanbase not every allowed to feel good about their team winning?”

    Doreen,

    I don’t listen to him other than for an interview here or there but in general the talk radio medium thrives on negativity and misanthropy. Ratings seem to be equivalent to outrage and misery.

    Making people feel that they’ve been slighted always seems to work.

    Unfortunately, we see the same thing on this blog, especially the game threads.

    It’s remarkable how there are relatively few posts until something bad happens – even if it’s minor. Then all of a sudden you see all of these people posting. There are literally people who will only post to post about something that heightens their misery rather than their enjoyment.

  234. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Pujols will be on the list…We all know it

  235. Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Good morning/afternoon, dennis. On the way from Tahoe to Sacramento. Brother is driving. Supposed to hit 105 in Sac today!

  236. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    my question is, assuming the list turns out to be legit(which I know is a big assumption), what most contributes to your lack of suprise/outrage over the bigger names on the list? is it the revelation that ARod used PEDS, Manny was trying to get pregnant, the fact that so many good players appear to have used or just the constant, never-ending harping on the issue over the past couple of seasons?

  237. Rishi June 29th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Jake (Sacramento)
    Buster, is there any substance to the Phillies’ interest in Chien-Ming Wang, and if so, what might the Yankees ask for in return for the former Ace?

    Buster Olney
    Jake: They would want young pitching in return, unquestionably — that is what Brian Cashman has been trying to collect. But my guess is that the Yankees will view Wang’s value as commensurate with a guy who can win 20 games, and the Phillies are probably thinking they might be able to bottom feed and get him for 50 cents on the dollar.

  238. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Buster’s right on there, which is why I highly doubt that trade happens.

  239. Rayvt June 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    86w183

    I agree the price tag could be limiting. That is why I believe a player Salary dump from a 3rd team along with someone from the Yanks may make it work. I have no real basis for ths except it feel like the move the Yanks made to get David Justice in 2000 to help win.

  240. Rishi June 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Anthony (NYC)
    Larry Lucchino at a apperance in a baseball musuem commented that all the yankee gear on display was from so long ago obviously taking a shot at the yanks not winning it all since 2000 and couple that with John Henry twitter updates taking shot at tex and co are the red sox getting a little too confident in your opinion? i guess they have confidence now that Big Stein is out of commision.

    Buster Olney
    Anthony — personally, I think all that stuff was cheesy and classless. I thought it was when Steinbrenner was doing it, and I think it is now when the Red Sox are doing it.

  241. Doreen June 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Hokiehill -

    I would say “all of the above.” What I’m more interested in from “the list” is who is NOT on it. Not that that proves or disproves PED use; I know that.

    Frankly, the Mitchell report, and Andy Pettitte’s inclusion in it, did me in.

  242. Carl June 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    Growing up a wrestling fan in the late 80s/90s then seeing what Big Mac and Sosa did to game, their celebrities and bodys…I knew a lot of players were/are on it. No reason to get disappointed over something we all know.

  243. Nick in SF on I-80 West June 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    :arrow:

  244. 86w183 June 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Jeff Pearlman must be proud… the first mediot to defend his ill informed opinion by turning to Selena Roberts to validation.

    Hey Jeff — if Alex’s lousy season is due to being off steroids how do you explain 2004-08 during which time he apparently passed every steroid test he was given.

    Pearlman, Olney, Gammons and others need to go to “steroid school” tolearn what steroids do and do not do.

    Look at that list… we have no idea if it’s accurate but if it is you clearly see that a lot of lousy players remained lousy despite using PEDs. Maybe that will help the over-reacting under-educated media realize that the key word in PED is not “DRUG” it’s “ENHANCING”.

  245. CB June 29th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    dennis,

    Good afternoon. On fire? I thought I was just being long winded as usual.

    Hope you had a nice weekend and that Amy had positive responses to her show on Friday.

    The AL East has been brutal for years. Last year was particularly bad with the Rays joining in.

    This year it’s just brutal. Toronto isn’t going away and Tampa Bay is coming on. I know you’ve pointed out the run differentials for the AL East teams – just unbelievable.

  246. hardwired June 29th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    Juan Cruz is on that list. Who’s next? Edwar Ramirez?

  247. Hokiehill June 29th, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    yeah Doreen, you’re right there…as much as I could care less at this point who is on the list, I did breath a sigh of relief when I did not find names like Jeter and Rivera on it.

  248. Zach in Port Jeff June 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    There were just as many scrubs as all-star caliber players taking steroids. The list seems to include mostly higher eschelon players.

    How can this be statistically possible EVERY player in 2003 was subject to an anonymous test?

    I wouldnt be surprised if any or most of these players were users, but i’m highly skeptical of this list right now.

  249. hiei81 June 29th, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    IMO last night Wang pitched (much) worse than he pitched against Braves, but he had a much better luck yesterday. In Atlanta he might get 0ER if ARod field the ball like all his excellent defensive plays last night. And the ball got hit hard were all down (yesterday the two RISP hits from Mets are on high balls).

    On trading Wang talk, I was reading the Wiki page about Mo, and was amused to see Mo was on the trading list more than once (first for David Wells, then for Randy Johnson). When Hughes and IPK stunk in 2007 (that’s when Wang shined), people are talking about trading Hughes with a bag of balls. Yankee fans are not known as understanding the talent of their players and have a little patient on them. Hopefully the front office does a better job.

  250. Zach in Port Jeff June 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    ….and Jose Lima is on this list???

    Maybe is Winstrol was expired or something? Either that, or he needs a refund…cuz it didn’t work.

  251. bru June 29th, 2009 at 1:58 pm

    i like francessa’s show.

    i don’t agree with him a lot but he has opinions & that is all just like everybody else does.

    we all have opinions & think we are right all of the time also.

    like for instance i can say i think the yankees should trade this or that for so & so & their will be plenty of people that will jump all over me & try to convince the world & themselves that it is a bad idea.

    it means nothing.
    are the yankees better off trading wang & a prospect for dye?

    wang for an 8th inning guy?

    who knows?

    the way i see it is the yankees probably need bullpen help & should concentrate on that only.

    can they use a better rf or dh like dye? absolutely but at what cost?

    i think the real issue is cf & has been for a long time.

    we can get by with what we have but we can use more production from that position.

    how good would we be with mclouth & street right now???

  252. hiei81 June 29th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    To: Giuseppe Franco
    I’m not too worried about Wang facing Halladay.
    They can’t beat Halladay no matter who they have on the hill.
    =============================================================
    If Wang stinks that day, our worst starter to lose to their Ace.
    If Wang sinks that day, if I remember correctly, he is the last starter that out-dueled Halladay (on the opening day last year)

  253. Chris June 29th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Everyone kills francessa,but i go on vacation in Cape Cod every year, and honestly you think he is bad you should hear WEEI they kill, and i mean KILL the sox, celts, and bruins. Dont get me wrong francessa is annoying, but……. we should consider ourselves lucky that the sports talk isnt as bad as the boston stations


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