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Yankees sign two independent leaguers

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jun 30, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

The Yankees signed two independent league players.

One press release:

Fargo-Moorhead RedHawks 3B Yurendell DeCaster is trading in his RedHawks pinstripes for a set of Yankees pinstripes.

The All-Star third baseman has had his contract purchased by the New York Yankees today and will report on Tuesday to the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees, the Triple-A affiliate for New York in the International League.

DeCaster, 29, joined the RedHawks this spring and was arguably the top player in the Northern League this season. Entering tonight’s play, DeCaster was leading the Northern League in hits (54), doubles (14), home runs (13), RBI (43) and slugging percentage (.682). He was batting .344, good for fifth in the league, and was second in runs scored with 36.

DeCaster was selected to the Great Plains team for the 2009 Northern League All-Star Game earlier today and was the top vote-getter in the league but will not participate in the game.

“For my money, he is one of the best players to ever come through the Northern League, and that is the caliber of player we like to have in RedHawks uniforms” said RedHawks Manager Doug Simunic. “We knew this day was coming and we are glad he can continue his career at the Triple-A level. Hopefully we can see him in Yankee Stadium sometime soon.”

And another …

Add another RailCats pitcher to the road to the big leagues. Hard-throwing left-hander Edwin Walker has been sold to the New York Yankees where he will report to the Charleston RiverDogs (A) of the South Atlantic League, the team announced today.

Walker, 25, becomes the 19th RailCats player – and ninth pitcher – sold to a major league organization since 2002. The Texan returns to the affiliated minor leagues after spending the first three seasons of his professional career (2002-04) with a pair of Milwaukee Brewers farm teams. The Brewers first drafted Walker in the ninth round in 2002 out of Highlands High School in San Antonio.

This season, Walker has been one of the best arms in an excellent RailCats bullpen, posting a 3.26 ERA in 19.1 innings and striking out a whopping 29 hitters. Walker picked up three saves in 16 outings, going 3-0 and holding opposing hitters to just a .194 average. Fargo-Moorhead was the only team in the Northern League to score runs off Walker in 2009, tagging the left-hander in three different appearances, otherwise Walker threw 18.0 scoreless innings against the league’s other four teams. Walker gave up only 14 hits – eight in three outings vs. Fargo – and walked ten.

Walker was signed by the RailCats in April of this year after a fine season with the Chillicothe Paints of the Frontier League in 2008, when he carried a 1.79 ERA and struck out 51 in 45.1 innings to earn a spot in the league’s midseason All-Star Game. Walker also played briefly in 2006 with the United League’s San Angelo Colts. In six professional seasons, Walker has 189 strikeouts in 181.0 career innings and a 4.08 ERA.

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369 Responses to “Yankees sign two independent leaguers”

  1. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 10:47 am

    This Walker kid sounds interesting,

  2. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Carlos Beltran’s career is in jeopardy 8O

  3. Erica - newly OPPC June 30th, 2009 at 10:52 am

    How many more years do the Mets have him signed? Anyone know?

  4. Erica - newly OPPC June 30th, 2009 at 10:53 am

    “This Walker kid sounds interesting”

    Btw Brandon, you know you are getting older when you start calling the young baseball players “kids”

  5. teddy June 30th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    hope beltran ok. are the yanks gotta honor mo tonight, they honor arod 500 hr. granted is not the samething

  6. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 10:55 am

    “How many more years do the Mets have him signed? Anyone know?”

    Two

  7. CB June 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Ken Rosenthal had an interesting report today – the Rockies are looking to acquire a relief pitcher in a trade to strengthen their pen:

    “The surging Rockies are looking “pretty seriously” for bullpen help, according to a source with knowledge of the team’s thinking.

    Their problem is the same one facing practically every other club: A shortage of suitable options.”

    If this is accurate and not just a smoke screen to drive up Street’s value, looking to add depth to your pen is a long way from trading your closer.

    The yankees can’t count on Street being made available. It would have to take a significant cliff dive by the rockies for them to fall out of the race.

    http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....-right-now

  8. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    “hope beltran ok. are the yanks gotta honor mo tonight, they honor arod 500 hr. granted is not the samething”

    A good number of guys have 500 homers

    Only 2 have 500 saves. Factor that with his meaning to the organization and you’d think something should be done.

  9. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    IDK Erica I think 6 yrs. left, as for Walker I call all players under 27 kids. LOL I know wierd but I never heard of this “LH hard thrower”

  10. Paco Dooley June 30th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Not sure how excited I can get over a 29 year old player being added to AAA. A 25 year old pitches has more of a shot, especially given the peculiarities of success of relief pitchers, but I don’t see DeCaster ever appearing in the Bronx. (though I suppose the organization is weak at 3rd base given that they have envisioned Alex being there for much of the next decade, which isn’t looking so sure nowadays!).

  11. roger(live from amsterdam) June 30th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH de Caster!!!I know this guy and I played for his farther who is a coach here in the Netherlands.

    He can also play 2B btw

  12. Noreaster June 30th, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Cashman looking for lefty gold in the independent leagues. Why not look at the kid in AAA to see if he can help out this year…

  13. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Nevermind 2 yrs.

  14. Tom in N.J. June 30th, 2009 at 10:58 am

    It seems that Beltran needs microfracture knee surgery:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ru.....mlb,173718

  15. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 10:59 am

    “Cashman looking for lefty gold in the independent leagues. Why not look at the kid in AAA to see if he can help out this year…”

    Our scouts look everywhere.

  16. Erica - newly OPPC June 30th, 2009 at 11:00 am

    Steve B
    June 30th, 2009 at 10:55 am
    “How many more years do the Mets have him signed? Anyone know?”

    Two
    ***
    Stinks for them. However, makes me feel vindicated all those times I stamped my feet and said I was glad the Yanks didn’t sign him because i thought it was an overrated contract. (Beltran got really hot for Houston during the playoffs lauching them into the Series and the entire country noticed).

    Plus on a selfish note, if the Yanks signed Beltran we never would have gotten Damon. And as you all know, I consider Damon to be my pretend boyfriend and the Steinbrenner’s 25th birthday present to me ;-)

  17. The Ghost June 30th, 2009 at 11:03 am

    The more I read articles like this – and I’ve read a LOT of them. The more I think this Yankee team would be in a 31 and counting WS drought today if it weren’t for Gene Michael. If there has ever been a Yankee executive who deserved a plaque out in monument park it’s him.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=0

  18. Erica - newly OPPC June 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    “Our scouts look everywhere.”

    Except for that one who scouted Kei Igawa. I think he just really wanted a Japan vacation. So he flew there, saw the sights and just came back with the first name of a pitcher he could locate :lol:

  19. CB June 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions about Beltran. All of those reports are based on complete speculation from the NY Post.

    Basically the logic is this – beltran has a problem with his knee for which he and boras asked for an outside second opinion. The doctor which that second opinion is being given by developed microfracture surgery. Therefore Beltran needs microfracture surgery.

    Richard Steadman is a knee expert. Now he did develop microfracture but it’s not as if all he does is microfracture. His specialty is the knee and I’d guess the vast majority of athletes he sees never need microfracture.

    Beltran has a bone bruise that is getting worse. Microfracture is done when cartilage is damaged. Who knows maybe something very wrong has happened to beltran’s knee. But right now there’s no indication that he will need microfracture.

  20. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    “I think in the last two months or so Cervelli has more than proven he can carry the back-up role. He kind of carried the team from behind the batters box when Posada and Molina both hit the DL at the same time.”

    I’ve seen too much baseball in the last 50 years to allow some 60 something at-bats cloud my judgement, especially considering how few at-bats Cervelli had in the minors. He’s been in the Yankee minors since 2005 and has about 700 total at-bats. Not enough at-bats in my opinion.

  21. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    “Except for that one who scouted Kei Igawa. I think he just really wanted a Japan vacation. So he flew there, saw the sights and just came back with the first name of a pitcher he could locate”

    Ugh :?

  22. Richie June 30th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    Too bad they have been so poor at developing their own talent.

  23. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 11:09 am

    That Yankee scout that recommended Igawa has been fired a long time ago. Also, the Yankees have changed their scouting approch for Japanese pitchers which is why Eppler and Livesey traveled to Japan several months back.

  24. Erica - newly OPPC June 30th, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Cash is King
    June 30th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    I’ve seen too much baseball in the last 50 years to allow some 60 something at-bats cloud my judgement, especially considering how few at-bats Cervelli had in the minors. He’s been in the Yankee minors since 2005 and has about 700 total at-bats. Not enough at-bats in my opinion.
    ****
    I am not saying we need to sign him today to a 4 year 50 million dollar deal. The last couple of years before Molina, Yankee backup catchers have been a bit of a disaster. Sal Fasano, Wil Nieves, Kelly Stinett. Lets count up all of their big hits…… In fact, I am pretty sure Wil Nieves went 0-26 before getting his first hit, that when he did finally hit the ball he was so excited he got thrown out trying to make it a double.

    As far as I am concerned Cervelli is far better than that. He has already proven to me he could handle back up catcher. He’s still young. Its just a matter of can he develop in a star catcher?

  25. Erica - newly OPPC June 30th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Cash is King
    June 30th, 2009 at 11:09 am
    That Yankee scout that recommended Igawa has been fired a long time ago. Also, the Yankees have changed their scouting approch for Japanese pitchers which is why Eppler and Livesey traveled to Japan several months back.
    ***
    I actually find that very reassuring. I was not aware of what happened to that scout

  26. roger(live from amsterdam) June 30th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    I bet robinson cano still knows who yurendell de Caster is….

  27. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 11:12 am

    “Too bad they have been so poor at developing their own talent.”

    There was a gap there, to be sure, but they are turning it around. Not going to keep falling back on the Jeter, Posada, Mo crowd developed over a decade and a half ago, but Cano, Wang, Hughes, Joba, etc. are homegrown and of more recent vintage. Further, there would appear to be some more guys on the way in the coming seasons.

  28. Erica - newly OPPC June 30th, 2009 at 11:14 am

    There was a gap there, to be sure, but they are turning it around. Not going to keep falling back on the Jeter, Posada, Mo crowd developed over a decade and a half ago, but Cano, Wang, Hughes, Joba, etc. are homegrown and of more recent vintage. Further, there would appear to be some more guys on the way in the coming seasons.
    ***
    We can thank that fine philosophy of signing every high priced free agent in the early part of this decade for that gap.

  29. CountryClub June 30th, 2009 at 11:17 am

    George did not believe in building through the farm. He wanted to build through FA. That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact. He financially neglected the kids in lieu of big name players from other squads. The dynasty team was built when George was banned from baseball. If he was around you can bet that most, if not all, of the young core would have never been given a shot. Then, Cash demanded full control when he negotiated his last deal with George and George gave it to him. Since that time, the Yanks have not traded away their best young players and have concentrated on the farm. And we’ve seen Wang, Cano, Melky, Hughes, Joba, Coke, Robertson, Gardner etc… come up and make a difference.

  30. Erica - newly OPPC June 30th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    CountryClub
    June 30th, 2009 at 11:17 am
    George did not believe in building through the farm. He wanted to build through FA. That’s not my opinion, it’s a fact. He financially neglected the kids in lieu of big name players from other squads. The dynasty team was built when George was banned from baseball. If he was around you can bet that most, if not all, of the young core would have never been given a shot. Then, Cash demanded full control when he negotiated his last deal with George and George gave it to him. Since that time, the Yanks have not traded away their best young players and have concentrated on the farm. And we’ve seen Wang, Cano, Melky, Hughes, Joba, Coke, Robertson, Gardner etc… come up and make a difference.
    ***
    I concur with this 100%

    I am off to the beach folks. Try not to work too hard!!! I LOVE vacation week :-)

  31. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 11:19 am

    “I am not saying we need to sign him today to a 4 year 50 million dollar deal. The last couple of years before Molina, Yankee backup catchers have been a bit of a disaster. Sal Fasano, Wil Nieves, Kelly Stinett. Lets count up all of their big hits…… In fact, I am pretty sure Wil Nieves went 0-26 before getting his first hit, that when he did finally hit the ball he was so excited he got thrown out trying to make it a double.

    As far as I am concerned Cervelli is far better than that. He has already proven to me he could handle back up catcher. He’s still young. Its just a matter of can he develop in a star catcher?”

    I’ve been following Cervelli’s career since 2005, he needs further development as a hitter. I don’t want my backup catcher to be a black hole in the lineup. Cervelli has potential, but he’s not whole yet and needs more at-bats to learn to drive the ball or go the other way with a pitch.

    I won’t allow myself to fall in love with 65 at-bats and think he’s ML ready when I know in my mind, he’s not.

  32. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 11:20 am

    Hughes must pitch more often.

    Since he moved into the relief role, he is averaging an appearance every 3.6 games, his average appearance being about 1.7 innings (that’s somewhat inflated by the 3.2 innings he pitched against Boston on June 10th).

    At that rate Hughes will only pitch another 41 innings this year, giving him 87.2 innings on the season. Even if we make the postseason and make a deep run he’d be very hardpressed to even make 100 IP total.

    That’s not enough given that he’s the second best reliever on the team and the Yanks’ conservative approach to building up a pitcher’s innings year over year.

    Hughes needs to pitch multiple innings, more frequently. It will help him and help the team at the same time.

  33. DB June 30th, 2009 at 11:21 am

    It was the nature of the beast. The Yanks finished in the top 3 in the league and signed Type A free agents for the better part of a decade. How much of a Farm can you build when you are lucky to get a supplemental first rounder. They tried their luck taking damaged high end guys and were lucky enough to have Joba work out.

  34. CountryClub June 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Wave Your Hat,

    While I agree with your post, don’t forget the 19.1 innings he pitched in AAA.

  35. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Wave your hat,
    Girardi’s been holding Hughes back because of Wang, but as Wang improves it opens up opportunities for Girardi to use Hughes more often during the week. Hughes needs to get 4-5 innings a week to remain effective and get his innings close to 130 for a season.

  36. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    “I don’t want my backup catcher to be a black hole in the lineup.”

    Molina is one.

    I agree on Cervelli to the minors. In his somewhat limited minor league career, he has shown indications that he can be a pretty good hitter. Good enough to be a starting catcher on the big league level if he’s allowed to develop.

  37. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    How are the Yankees “poor” at developing their own talent?

    Where would they be this year without the contributions of Cervelli, Aceves, Pena, Cabrera, Gardner, Hughes, Chamberlain and Robertson? That’s EIGHT guys, 32% of the roster, some of whom were in AA last year, that has helped this team win games.

    Find me another big market team that has as many as 32%, and I’m not even counting Jeter, Wang, Rivera, Posada, Cano and Pettitte, which would bring the number of homegrown players to over 50% of the roster, who are doing the same thing?

    THAT’S talent development. Its also just starting.

    They have about 8-10 other guys that have a great chance to be in the Bronx within two years.

    What more do you want?

  38. DB June 30th, 2009 at 11:24 am

    WYH, if Hughes pitches 80 to 90 innings this year how many innings by Verducci’s theory I guess, could he be expected to pitch next year without causing his risk for injury to go up?

    Wasn’t that report more about guys making the jump to 200 innings from 100 then 80 to 160?

  39. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 11:25 am

    “Its just a matter of can he develop in a star catcher?””

    Come on, in 5 minor league seasons Cervelli posted a .373 OBP and a .381 SLG. I don’t see where he’s going to become more than a back-up.

    That said, if some team would trade us something for Molina I’d be happy with Cervelli as the back-up this year. I just doubt whether the Yanks could trade Molina for something they want.

  40. CB June 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    “Too bad they have been so poor at developing their own talent.”

    Currently 8 of the 12 pitchers on the yankee roster were acquired and developed through their minor league system. I believe that’s the highest in the division.

    7 of the 13 position players on the active roster were developed through their minor league system.

    So 15 of the 25 players on the yankee roster came up through their minor league system (this does not include Matsui).

    For comparison the sox – who we are told over and over are the model for internal player development have only 8 of their 25 players developed through their minor league system.

    The Rays – another model of player development – have only 6 of their 25 players brought up through their minor league system.

    It can be argued that much of the value of prospects is to develop them for trades so both the Sox and Rays have used their systems extensively to acquire talent through trades.

    But right now the yankees have more internally developed players on their 25 man roster than both the rays and sox combined.

  41. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    If George had given Cashman the total control in 2003 that he received after the 2005 season, the Yankees would’ve been in a much deeper organization when it comes to talent at the upper levels of the minors and on the Yankee 25 man roster.

    This is why the Red Sox/Epstein appear to be in a better position than the Yankees. They had a three year head start on Cashman which is quite a lead, but that lead is closing fast.

  42. Joey's Poodle June 30th, 2009 at 11:27 am

    Hate to break it to the optimists, but Eppler loved Igawa, pushed that deal, and was thrilled to get him. And he is still snugly ensconced at Cashman’s elbow.

  43. matt June 30th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Yea, the Walker kid does sound interesting.

  44. Jerkface June 30th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    DB: No, the entire point of that report is that ANY innings jump of more than 30 puts the pitcher at greater risk for injury under the age of 27. A pitcher who has never thrown 160 innings going from 80 one year to 160 the next year is just as harmful and negligent.

    The ‘perfect progression’ is 30 inning increments.

    A lot of pitchers who are used as examples are guys that went from like 100-120 to 180 in a year (usually as the 5th starter who then had very good numbers so got leaned on)

  45. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Hughes will pitch more often as the season goes on. Probably as the 8th inning guy sooner rather than later.

    They had to hold him back for Wang’s starts AND see how he adapted to the bullpen. They eased him into it.

    Now that they see how good he is in the role, I expect he will be used more in high leverage situations.

    I don’t see any way his usage the rest of the way will equal his usage in June.

  46. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    DB-

    I wasn’t arguing for any particular pitcher development theory. The Yanks though seem to be very conservative in how fast to ramp up their pitcher’s innings. So unless the Yanks change their position on that, they need to find ways to pitch Hughes more often.

  47. Bret the Hitman June 30th, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Heath Bell. Heath Bell. Heath Bell.

  48. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 11:30 am

    ““I don’t want my backup catcher to be a black hole in the lineup.”

    Molina is one. ”

    Which is why I want Cervelli to improve as a hitter because he can potentially be as good as Molina defensively, but be a more effective hitter than Molina. I want my backup catcher to be a good defensive catcher and a serviceable hitter.

  49. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 11:31 am

    SJ44-

    I hope you are right, because Hughes is the second best reliever the Yanks have.

    They need to use him in high leverage situations, leave him in to face lefties, let him pitch multiple innings, and not be afraid to use him on back to back days.

    That will help the Yanks win games, and help Hughes career as well.

  50. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    “Heath Bell. Heath Bell. Heath Bell.”

    He’s been great this year. Pretty cheap for the Pads though, so I’d guess they’d keep him unless they were pretty impressed with an offer.

  51. eric June 30th, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Don’t get too excited about Walker, 6.6bb per 9ip.

  52. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Every team, even the Red Sox, have missed on guys.

    The Yankees whiffed on Igawa. That’s life. They have also scored on other guys. That’s the business.

    You can’t labor over the bad moves and you can’t throw parades over the good one’s.

    Wave,

    Its not really fair to use Cervelli’s minor league hitting stats as an indication of his future.

    Most guys signed at 17, that aren’t named Jesus Montero, don’t light up the charts offensively early in their career.

    If he develops into a Mike Redmond-type of guy, that’s a 10-14 year ML career. I think he would take that in a heartbeat.

    He’s never going to be a Posada/Mauer type of offensive player. He can though be a decent enough offensive performer as he gets older and a little stronger.

  53. KWAN June 30th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Knicks need to sing Jason Kidd.

  54. CB June 30th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    “No, the entire point of that report is that ANY innings jump of more than 30 puts the pitcher at greater risk for injury under the age of 27. A pitcher who has never thrown 160 innings going from 80 one year to 160 the next year is just as harmful and negligent.”

    That’s not quite accurate with respect to Verducci’s specific analysis. First, that “rule” only applies to major league innings. So it’s not any innings – it’s major league innings. It’s common that when pitchers are first drafted they are targeted to throw 100 to 120 innings their first year in the low minors. The rule says nothing about that. The analysis says nothing specific about minor league innings. Will Carroll has discussed this.

    Also, the rule was for pitchers up to the age of 25 not 27.

  55. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 11:35 am

    “Hate to break it to the optimists, but Eppler loved Igawa, pushed that deal, and was thrilled to get him. And he is still snugly ensconced at Cashman’s elbow.”

    Eppler never saw Igawa in person until he pitched for the Yankees.

  56. bailey June 30th, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Just what the yankees need another Cody Ransom 29 year old big hitter

  57. DB June 30th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    I can’t see Hughes getting 20 innings a month in Bulpen. What about the Fall Leagues though, do those innings count for anything? Not to poo poo Verducci, but one report on some circumstantial findings can’t be the end all for young pitchers.

  58. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    SJ:

    You cite Mo’s 1996 as the M.O. the Yankees may be using with Hughes the rest of the way, as they look to get him to the 120 or so inning mark. That year Mo averaged about 5 outs per outing that year (1.75 IP per appearance for 60 appearances).

    So assuming they’ve settled in on Wang as a piece of the 5 man, you see Hughes making 30 or so 5 or 6 out appearances over the 2nd half? Is that right?

  59. bailey June 30th, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Exactly what the Yankees need another Cody Ransom a 29 year old superstar AAAA hitter

  60. Alex June 30th, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Eric Hinske to the Yanks for 2 prospects. Nady’s replacement.

  61. Al June 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    From Will Carroll: “Pirates trade Hinske to Yankees for 2 prospects”.

  62. AeroFANatic June 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Yankees acquire Eric Hinske from Pirates for Eric Freyer and Casey Erickson.
    Thoughts?

  63. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    “He’s never going to be a Posada/Mauer type of offensive player. He can though be a decent enough offensive performer as he gets older and a little stronger.”

    I personally doubt it but for the Yanks’ sake and Cervelli’s I wouldn’t mind being wrong.

  64. Drew June 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    I like the name Fargo Moorhead better…Decaster should change his name to that.

  65. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 11:39 am

    whoa trade

  66. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    SJ44,

    I agree with you that certain fans expect the Yankees to be perfect in their player evaluations which is unreasonable due to so many factors. Just to give the proper perspective, I read a long time ago that for every draft class, if you have three players from that class make it to the major leagues, you did well. That’s three out of how 60 picks or so.

  67. bailey June 30th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    This is exactly what Yanks need another 29 year old superstar AAAA hitter like Cody Ransom

  68. Guy Incognito June 30th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Eric Hinske? He doesn’t provide anything more than Swisher, and, at the end of the day, likely provides less.

  69. Bret the Hitman June 30th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Eric Hinske. Eric Hinske. Eric Hinske.

  70. Tom in N.J. June 30th, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Can/does Hinske still play 3B?

  71. DB June 30th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Sounds like an upgrade to Ransom, wave goodbye Pena.. Was nice knowing you, let’s hope we see you next year.

  72. raymagnetic June 30th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Wasn’t it mentioned before that relief innings are given greater weight than starter innings because of the high pressure situations that most relief pitchers are thrown it.

    When Joba was named a starter this year someone here posted an article about this I believe.

  73. Hokiehill June 30th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    from Wikipedia…

    Eric Scott Hinske (born August 5, 1977 in Menasha, Wisconsin) is a Major League Baseball player for the Pittsburgh Pirates. Hinske has spent time at the major league level with the Toronto Blue Jays, Boston Red Sox, and most recently, the Tampa Bay Rays, playing third base, first base, left field, and right field. He is listed at 6′ 2, 235 pounds.

    Sounds super-utility to me…although a career .250 BA doesn’t exactly strike fear…

  74. hinske? June 30th, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Hinkse?

    bad club house guy and is just like what we already have in Swisher except doesnt walk as much

  75. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    “Eric Hinske to the Yanks for 2 prospects”

    Hinske is decent distance beneath Nady in the talent pool. Potentially useful guy, but those 2 prospects should be the very definition of fringy. He’s not worth 2 legit ones.

  76. Hokiehill June 30th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    who were the 2 prospects?

  77. Al June 30th, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Casey Erickson and Eric Fryer.

  78. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Heath Bell isn’t on the market and if he is, Kevin Towers is going to ask for the moon for him since he can’t trade Peavy and isn’t trading Gonzalez.

    Wave,

    You are correct. Hughes is their second best relief pitcher right now. That’s why I believe he will be used as such as the season goes on.

    This gives Cashman so much leverage on the trade front. More than he has had in years.

    If the price for Street is off the charts, he says, “no thank you” and moves on.

    He’s not forced to do anything. Especially if Wang becomes Wang again in the next few weeks because it gives him anothe innings eating starter. That reduces the bullpen load.

    Its also great for Hughes’ career. Folks may mock the “he was weak mentally” theory but, it was a real issue for him. That’s why both Girardi and Damon called him out on it after the Baltimore debacle.

    Since going to the bullpen, you can see the change in him. He attacks the zone. He doesn’t get down on himself if he walks a guy or gives up a hit, and his confidence is growing with every outing.

    Folks get too enamored with innings charts, pitch counts, etc. All that stuff is nice but, confidence and success at the major league level is just as important.

    His work in the bullpen is changing the course of his career.

    He will eventually be a starter again. When he goes back to the rotation, this type of success will be in the back of his mind and make him a better starting pitcher.

    Its something that has clicked for him and its really helping the team right now. That’s why I would leave him out there, install him as the 8th inning guy, and live with the results.

  79. AeroFANatic June 30th, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Hinske would cost about 750K for the year rental. Righty off the bench, utility in the field (OF, 1B, 3B).
    Solid move….would have preferred DeRosa but this will do.

    Guess this slams the door on Duncan or Rodriguez other than for an injury elsewhere.

    Bench of Hinske, Molina, Cabrera/Gardner and Ransom/Pena.

    I like the move.

  80. Jerkface June 30th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Eric Hinske is gross. at least we didn’t give up anything for him.

  81. raymagnetic June 30th, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Eric Hinske is certainly a better option off of the bench than Cody Ransom.

    He can play all of the corner positions so he can spell Swisher, Damon, A-rod and Tex. I like it.

  82. Jerkface June 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Also on the Verducci Theory:

    “Here’s the way I track it: Find major league pitchers 25-and-under who broke the 30-inning rule. In some cases a pitcher’s innings the previous season may have been artificially depressed, such as by injury, so I’ll use his professional high for the baseline, or, in the case of a recent draftee like Kennedy, his college workload. All innings count (minors, majors, postseason).”

    From Verducci himself.

  83. AlbanyYankee June 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Do the Yankees deal exclusively with the Pirates now?

  84. raymagnetic June 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    “Hinske would cost about 750K for the year rental. Righty off the bench, utility in the field (OF, 1B, 3B).”

    He’s a lefty I believe, although I could be mistaken.

  85. Chip June 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    I’m from Fargo and have been watching DeCaster play. He’s got some pretty decent (probably about Cody Ransom) range and short and is great with the bat. I really hope the guy can make it

  86. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    BloggingBombers: Yankees acquire Eric Hinske from Pirates for minor leaguers Casey Erickson and Eric Fryer.

    *Hinske will be in uniform tonight.*

    half a minute ago from web

  87. CB June 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am

    If this report is true that is an excellent trade. Not earth shattering but Hinske is a very useful part for the bench.

    He’s having a nice season for the Bucs – .741 OPS. He hits for decent pop. And he has experience in the AL East – he had a very good season for the Rays last year (20 HR).

    That is a very good pickup. Plays multiple positions. Way better than Cody Ransom. He was a full time 3b in the past but more of an outfielder recently.

    Very good pickup. I wanted the Yankees to sign him in the off season for the bench.

  88. CountryClub June 30th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    He can play multiple positions and they gave up very little for him.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ske-13896/

  89. Flash June 30th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Nice to see Austin Jackson beginning to pull the ball a little, while not getting away from going the opposite way. Helping translate into two consecutive days of homers.

  90. AeroFANatic June 30th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Yes, my bad…lefty. Still a good bench player for some late innings pop or utility fielder. Pretty solid in the field.

  91. Tom in N.J. June 30th, 2009 at 11:48 am

    Lefty bat with some pop-20 hr last season in Tampa. Hits righties well enough-.803 lifetime OPS vs RHP. Can play 3b which could allow Alex to get a few games in as DH.

  92. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Hinske did a great job for the Rays last year. IIRC, he hit 20 HR’s. He also did a nice job for the Sox in 2007.

    Veteran bench guy they acquired for nothing. You get a chance to do that, you take the shot. Especially for a guy with extensive AL East experience.

  93. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    “Nice to see Austin Jackson beginning to pull the ball a little, while not getting away from going the opposite way”

    .185 over his last 10 games. We sure he’s not getting away from something that was working in favor of a little pop?

  94. Joe from Long Island June 30th, 2009 at 11:52 am

    It’s all about value. Eric Hinske is at the least a proven commodity. He’s been around, a solid pro (I think), and can turn around a pitch. He makes up somewhat for the loss of Nady (RH bat) and not getting DeRosa (doesn’t play the middle infield positions), but is solid. And they didn’t give up much (I’ve not heard of Freyer or Erickson, and I do occasionally read Chad Jennings and Mike Ashmore, in addition to the knowldegeable posters here).

    Seems like a good deal. The question is who do you send down, Ransom or Pena. While Hinske seems like a better version of Ransom, Pena still has room to develop and should benefit from playing everyday. With Brett, you also have the PR angle covered when Melky and Damon are playing.

  95. CB June 30th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    “Potentially useful guy, but those 2 prospects should be the very definition of fringy. He’s not worth 2 legit ones.”

    Fryer and Erickson are not legit. They aren’t real prospects of any significance.

    This was a pure salary move by the Bucs.

  96. 86w183 June 30th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Heath Bell is too good and too cheap for San Diego to move. Colorado is playing too well to move Street. Michael Wuertz at Oakland might be as good as the Yankees can do and it’s debatable if he’s that much of an upgrade.

    The next challenge for Hughes will be poitching on consecutive days OR pitching two innings at a time 2-3 times a week. I still think there’s way too much obsession on this site about inning counts and what it might mean for 2010.

    Matt Garza went from 83 innings to 184 last year at age 24 and he didn’t explode. James Shileds, also of the Rays went from 124 to 215 in 2007 at age 25 and is still going strong.

    It’s worth monitoring, but it’s not that big a deal. I suspect you would find the guys with big time arm problems also had major pitch count issues as well… I know for certain that Pryor and Wood did, for example. Adding innnings while ensuring proper rest and limiting pitch counts is more important than an arbitrary inning total.

  97. Eric June 30th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Link :

    http://yes.mlblogs.com/archive.....inske.html

  98. DB June 30th, 2009 at 11:53 am

    What exactly has Verducci done to be credited with the gospel on developing young pitching? He’s a sports writer for SI who co-wrote a book with Torre. He is all of the sudden a guru on pitching? He has drawn circumstantial conclusions from some stats, now I have to take his opinion as the leader in statistical evidence? Correct me if I’m wrong here, please.

  99. Bronx Jeers June 30th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    I feel for Beltran….And for the Mets to some degree.

    Beltran was always a Bernie fan and in many ways he has emulated that image of the quiet star. I hope he makes it back.

  100. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    Isn’t DeCaster the kid that played for the Netherlands in the WBC? If he was, he played real well in that tournament.

    Granted, limited sample size (if he is the same guy) but, I wondered why he wasn’t in AAA somewhere because he can play a little.

  101. Jake June 30th, 2009 at 11:54 am

    I think Eric Hinske could be a very valuable player. He isnt bad at defense and is a good hitter, even though i would rather have Shelley Duncan as the next option, Hinske is pretty good

  102. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 11:55 am

    I knew it, Hinske would be a Yankee. maybe next season, he will join the O’s. by then, he had played every team in the AL east.

  103. Coach6423 June 30th, 2009 at 11:56 am

    So at this point, If the Yankees need a starter, who is it? You have to think that Hughes and Aceves aren’t stretched out enough to go 5 innings at this point. Do you stack them, or does an Ivan Nova who made a great start in AAA, a McAlister, or god forbid a Kei Igawa get a start?

  104. Jake June 30th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    BTW!!! I just looked it up for the guy above ^ , it is the same guy as in the WBC!

    Just in the article it has it spelled de Caster, not DeCaster, but they both have the same first name (Yurendell) and both play 3B. I didnt see him play, but the guy above said he was good. So hopefully he will be!!!

  105. ANSKY June 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    DFA A-Rod!
    We now have DeCaster!

    ha ha just kidding ….

    I’m curious to see how all this Huston Street talk ends up though.

    Also … “Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the Yankees acquired Eric Hinske from the Pirates for two minor leaguers, Eric Fryer and Casey Erickson”

    That’s from MLB Trade Rumors I’m sure many of you have seen it already. Hmmm …

  106. Richie June 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    The Yankees need to make decisions as well as their primary competition, i.e., the Sox. They aren’t doing that.

  107. roger(live from amsterdam) June 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    SJ44

    Yes he was.He played great defense and got the game-winning hit against the dominican

  108. CB June 30th, 2009 at 11:58 am

    “Matt Garza went from 83 innings to 184 last year at age 24 and he didn’t explode.”

    I agree that pitch count is far more important than innings. But innings are used as an index for pitch count and there’s a correlation between the two even if it isn’t perfect.

    Go back and take a look at all of those promising arms that Toronto had 2-3 years ago. Track their workload usage – which was a systematic push by that organization to increase workload rapidly – and then look the devastating series of injuries those guys have had.

    For every Garza (and I’m not sure if you’ve counted minor league innings into that total?) there’s an Edison Volquez. Ask him now what he thinks about how he and Cueto were used last year compared to the year prior.

  109. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Hinske is a LH version of Mark DeRosa. He plays a bunch of positions, is used to being a bench player (ie: knows how to prepare for the job) and they didn’t give up anybody of significance to acquire him.

    If you are Cash, that’s a no brainer move to make.

  110. G. Love June 30th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    If Hinske’s acquisition means Pena goes down and Ransom is out back up SS, we’ve weakened the team in my opinion.

    Pena has made some brilliant plays spelling Jeter and is faster than Ransom and Hinske.

    Pena’s plus defense at 2b, SS and 3b is worth way more than what Ransom brings to this team but we all know Ransom is a Girardi pet and I can see Girardi giving the old “he’s not losing his job to injury” line in regards to why Ransom sticks over Pena who is a better and useful player right now.

  111. AeroFANatic June 30th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Pirates also paid us some cash, so realistically he’s cheaper than the 750K roughly I quoted.
    Pure salary dump by PIT, obviously.

  112. Chambliss June 30th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Hinskie is a solid ball player with a good track record in the A.L. East. Nice pickup by the Yankees.

  113. ANSKY June 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    OK, so Nady’s done.

    Hinske’s a career .254 hitter w/..373 OBP and .368 SLG
    Swisher’s a career .237 hitter w/.373 OBP. and .500 SLG

    Ummm ….

    OK he’s not a star player.

    Ummm ….

  114. Hokiehill June 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    i think most would agree G. Love, but Ransom has no options and Pena does. You don’t have to worry about playing Ransom all that often as Hinske can take care of A-Rod’s off days, not to mention Tex, Damon and Swisher’s. Ransom would occasionally have to sub in for Jeter and Cano but that would be rare enough not to be of major detriment to the team. Plus Pena will benefit in the future from more PT in AAA.

  115. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    The Hinske trade puzzles me. Hinske isn’t bad and can hit better than either Ransom or Pena, one of whom he will replace, but:

    He’s left handed, when a right handed bat would probably have fit the Yanks needs better.

    He’s not as good as Swisher – I can’t see him taking ABs from Swisher, Gardner or Cabrera.

    He did play pretty well at Tampa last year, but he lost his starting job in Pittsburg and has not hit well in limited at bats since.

    The Yanks could have brought up John Rodriguez – who can probably hit as well as Hinske and is right handed – without trading anyone.

    He’s like the poor man’s Mark DeRosa, but Hinske can’t play middle infield. The Yanks will probably send down Pena and leave Ransom as the only back-up middle infielder.

    That leaves the Yanks getting him to spell ARod at third. But Hinske has hardly played third since he was moved off the position after 2004 – I suspect his defense there won’t make people happy.

  116. AeroFANatic June 30th, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    ANSKY-

    Was brought in more for his versatility than his offense prowess, IMO.

  117. DB June 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    CB, what about fall leagues. Phil pitched in one last year and he could do the same this year if his innings are too low.

  118. Hokiehill June 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    “OK he’s not a star player.”

    but he is asuper utility bench guy which the Yankees “needed”…

  119. David June 30th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    I actually like the move. Hinske is a solid hitter who can get on base and hit for power. He’s a decent replacement for Xavier Nady and will get the job done. He’s most similar to Nick Swisher with his low average, decent OBP. Considering who we gave up for him, I think the Yanks got the better end of this one.

  120. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    One of Hinske’s main values to the yankees is that is will hopefully allow them to DH Alex more often, especially when they face RH pitching.

    And there is a significant value to that. We’ve seen how Alex responded to some rest.

    They needed to figure out how to DH him on a regular basis.

    Ransom was not a guy they could use to rest Alex regularly. Hopefully Hinske can play a decent 3b.

  121. Dev June 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    Heinske will take ABs away from Swisher and spell A-Rod on occasion.

    Seems like a no brainer to me, he is better than Ransom and can allow us to not expose Swisher as much as a starter.

  122. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Hinske isn’t for El Nino it’s for Ransom.

  123. Hokiehill June 30th, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    yeah, I’d bet upset if we gave up great prospects but we basically gave the Pirate nothing and didn’t take on much in the way of salary. they guy can certainly help defensively and is better than the non-move we probably would have made otherwise

  124. 86w183 June 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    CB —

    Obviously it would be ideal to have steady, gradual increases in total innings and total pitches, but you rarely get the “ideal”. I just think it’s crazy for people to be so worked up over innings and what it might mean to Hughes if he goes up by 40-50 innings sometime next September.

    Hinske is a very good pick up. Versatile, capable, experienced in this division and cheap. It would be better if he hit RH but otherwise a nice move. He’s played more gamesd at 3B than any other position, but almost all of it was in his first three seasons (2002-04)

  125. Ollie June 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Terrible trade.

    Heinske is a SCRUB. .250 hitter, strikes out a ton, low OBP, and is an awful fielder… he is bad everywhere, especially 3rd base.

    Is this Cashman’s big acquisition?

  126. DB June 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Ransom can hold his own at both SS and 2B, the Yanks will be fine in that regard. It’s not like you are holding your breath with Berroa.

  127. ANSKY June 30th, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    OK he’s a role player, and can help in a few ways. At least he’s not an Angel Berroa type.

  128. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    How are they not making as good a decisions as the Red Sox? They are 3 games out of first place, not 33 games.

    Mark Teixeira a good decision? How about CC Sabathia? AJ Burnett? Drafting Joba instead of Craig Hansen, the NY beat writers flavor of the day in 2005?

    Both teams have made good decisions and bad decisions. To say the Yankees aren’t making as many good decisions as the Red Sox are not supported by facts.

  129. Bob(the original) June 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    One of Hinske’s main values to the yankees is that is will hopefully allow them to DH Alex more often, especially when they face RH pitching.

    ———————————

    Yep. Nice move by Cash to finally get some bench depth.

  130. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    “what about fall leagues. Phil pitched in one last year and he could do the same this year if his innings are too low.”

    He’s not eligible for fall league anymore. He’d have to go to winter ball somewhere in the Domincan, Puerto Rico or somewhere in Latin America.

    That’s doable but not a very good option to build innings. Don’t know if they’d send Hughes down that route.

  131. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    What is it with the Yankees and making trades with the Pirates? :P

  132. vinny-b June 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    how many years (including this year) does Beltran have left on that contract ?

  133. ANSKY June 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Or is he an Angel Berroa type, just 50 years younger?

  134. Hokiehill June 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Ollie, how is this a terrible trade if we gave them essentially nothing?

  135. John June 30th, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Eric Hinske….I know we didn’t give up a lot to get him but I just don’t see how he really helps this team

  136. G. Love June 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Hinske is pretty awful at 3b. I remember in Toronto he was a butcher and since he left there he’s been mostly an OF/1b/DH type.

    I don’t dislike the move if we keep Pena up. Pena is a weapon off the bench defensively.

    That said, I’m not a huge Hinske fan at the moment. He reminds me of everything I hate about some of those Red Sox teams.

  137. Cam June 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Pena could spell Alex and play great defense and spray some hits around… why do we need Hinske? He isin’t as good defensively as Pena.

  138. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    Can Hinske play RF ?

  139. CountryClub June 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    He’s a legit bench player. It’s a good move. This isnt a guy that’s going to be starting more than 1 or 2 games a week.

  140. Hokiehill June 30th, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    the Pirates are basically the Yankees’ AAAA team…

  141. DB June 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Brandon, you can count on Pena going down. It’s a no-brainer really.

  142. John June 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    S.A.- It’s like that one person in your fantasy team that you think you are always smarter than and they are always looking to trade people…that person is the pirates

  143. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    I wouldn’t count on Hinske playing decent defense at third.

    He was a regular third baseman until 2004, but has hardly played there since being moved off the position. He’s played a total of 21 games there in the last 5 years.

  144. Chris N June 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    More like Angel Berroa 50 pounds fatter.

  145. REM June 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Play Hinske anywhere but 1B/RF and he will be exposed. He is awful at 3rd base.

  146. John June 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    fantasy league..typo

  147. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Yes, Hinske can play RF. Speaking of RF, his left-handed bat in Yankee Stadium can be a weapon.

  148. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    It’s a good move if Ransom is sent down to AAA, Hinske can play RF/3B/1B, Pena can defensively substitute for Jetes and Robi when they need a blow. God how I wish he could play a bit of OF.

  149. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Isn’t Rodriquez out with a hamstring injury? I thought Chad Jennings said last week he hurt his hamstring?

    I haven’t looked at the Scranton box scores recently so, I don’t know if that’s the case, just asking.

    Seems to me CB has it right. Hinske is a guy they will use to spell Alex and use as a PH off the bench.

  150. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    “Can Hinske play RF ?”

    Yes.

  151. XFactor June 30th, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    They didn’t activate Ransom from the DL just to DFA him 3 days later.

    Pena will be the one going down.

  152. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    Yes, Rodriquez hurt his hammy again.

  153. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    “Hopefully Hinske can play a decent 3b.”

    Not really his history. Jays weren’t enamored with him there, I know that. He’s played 446 games at 3rd over his career, but 425 of those came in ’03 thru ’05. From ’06 thru ’09 he’s started 11 games at 3B. You can probably spot him there once in a blue moon, which is really all the Yankees probably need to do.

  154. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    “He isin’t as good defensively as Pena.”

    Pena hasn’t been very good at 3b. He has never played that position before spring training this year. He wasn’t a utility guy – he was a pure SS in the minors.

    Hinske is far from perfect – he might not be that great defensively at 3b. But you can’t look at this in a vacuum. The main question is whether Hinske is better than Cody Ransom. There’s no question that he is. They gave up nothing for him.

    Yankee fans are constantly clamoring for a better bench. When they get a guy who has been one of the better bench players in the games the past few years – he hit 20 HR in the AL east last year – he’s not good enough. There’s no way to win with the bench.

    I’d keep Pena up. Hinske backing up the corners with Pena backing up middle infield would work. But again, Hinske’s performance isn’t contingent on the other roster moves made around him.

  155. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    He doesn’t have to be a Gold Glove guy at third. If he plays a dozen games at third, he can’t be any worse than Ransom was in April.

    Its not like they are getting him to be a fulltime player.

    Looking at the team objectively, they don’t need to make “big” moves. There is an awful lot of talent already in place.

    They needed a guy off the bench and probably another veteran bullpen arm.

    Other than that, its pretty tough to see what else they need the rest of the way that isn’t already in house.

  156. Stewart June 30th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    John Rodriquez > Hinske
    Shelly Duncan > Hinske

    Mindless move.

  157. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    I think by process of elimination the Yanks must have acquired Hinske to spell ARod at third. He plays 1B, but that’s not an option with the Yanks, and any ABs he takes from Swisher or Cabrera in RF will be a net loss for the Yanks.

    I just wonder how wise it is to let Hinske play many games at third. I guess we’ll see how his defense is.

    As a pinch hitter he will be more useful than either Pena or Ransom.

  158. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    CB if we were to trade Ransom to the Mets you think they give up Feliciano ?

  159. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    This is a tough bunch to please.

  160. Condo June 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    Hinske will take more ABs away from Swisher than he will Pena.

    Hinske can play the OF. We needed a bat to platoon with Swisher and we found it.

  161. 86w183 June 30th, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    SJ — Joba and Hanson were not in the same draft. Hanson was the year earlier when the Yanks passed on him for Carl Henry. It was a bad decision then, period.

    Surprised so many of you are down on Hinske… he’s a good bench bat. That’s a clear improvement over a second utility infielder.

  162. joeysdadjoe June 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    Hinske is a GREAT addition.BUT I think a game or 2 at third will convince Girardi to sub Ransom there.Hinske also protects against Matsui going down and allows an offensive sub to give rest.

  163. Mo June 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    To the person who said this alows them not to expose Swisher- Swisher is better than Hinske. Why would you give him Swisher’s at-bats? Ridiculous. Swisher is a starter, and he is having just as good a season, if not better, than JD Drew and Nick Markakis. Would you take at bats from those guys and give them to Hinske? Hinske was brought in because they had zero pop off the bench.

  164. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    I predict the Yanks send down Pena and hold onto Ransom. That’s based on Ransom having been given the back-up job in the spring. That’s the way the Yanks tend to do things.

  165. DB June 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    As much as Ransom was overmatched in the beginning of the year, Pena has looked just as bad lately. Pena has got options and needs XP.

  166. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    “You can probably spot him there once in a blue moon, which is really all the Yankees probably need to do.”

    This seems to me to be the point. If you can DH Alex once every 10 days for so there’s a real value to that. They can’t keep playing him as much as they have.

    The only options are to have him sit or DH him. They need his bat so DH’ing him is far preferable.

    They are not going to get a real 3b without giving up a lot of talent or taking on a lot of money.

    How is Cody Ransom a good 3b? It’s not as if he’s a gifted defender at 3b.

  167. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    SI_JonHeyman: not a good sign for trading contracts, as tiny pirates pay some of hinske’s $1.5 mil to yanks

  168. Bob(the original) June 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    If Hinske is playing any more than once a week or so at third, the Yanks have much bigger problems than his defense.

    It’s a nice move by Cashman to upgrade the bench without giving up anything.

  169. john_halfz June 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    How could anyone not like this trade? Eric Hinske is a competent player who will allow Ramiro Pena (.267/.308/.349) to play every day at AAA. It also gives them a better bat off the bench than Ransom (career .736 OPS).

    Of course Hinske isn’t a blockbuster, but it’s an incremental move for a guy who’s OPSd below .750 only twice in his career. How could you not pull the trigger on this no-brainer?

  170. Cash is King June 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Passing on Hanson wasn’t a bad decision. The Yankees took a high reward guy in Henry, it didn’t work out, but they got Abreu for him in return.

  171. Tracko June 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    This guy basically is Shelly Duncan… a butcher defensively with some pop

  172. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    “John Rodriquez > Hinske
    Shelly Duncan > Hinske

    Mindless move.”

    In what world is that a fact ?

    Hinske’s bat >>> Ransom/Shelley/Pena/J-Rod

    Pena’s bat >>> Shelley/Ransom/J-Rod

    Hinske defense >>> Ransom/Swisher

    Pena defense >>> Shelley/J-Rod/Swisher/Hinske/Ransom

  173. joeysdadjoe June 30th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    And yes de Caster did look good for a suprising Netherlands team

  174. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Marcel (NY)9:07 AM

    How do you feel about the Hinske trade?

    Rob Neyer9:12 AM

    He’s cheap and he’s versatile, and I’m sure he’ll pick up a big hit or two this summer. He’s not much of a hitter, though.

  175. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    They are planning to send down Pena later today. They want Pena to continue to develop as a prospect and get more at-bats. But they also want Pena to also start playing some outfield and see if he can be used in the near future as a super-sub around the diamond, much like Atlanta uses Omar Infante.

    http://blogs.nypost.com/sports.....in_hi.html

  176. Andrew June 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    How is getting Hinske a bad move? Cost = zero. He is a better major league hitter than Cody Ransom and probably just as bad defensively, which means he’s a net upgrade. He also keeps Pena on the team because no way do they keep Ransom and Hinske as the backup infielders, which I like. I don’t think he is taking any ABs away from Swish/Melk/Brett, it looks like those 3 guys are just going to rotate depending on who is hot and matchups, which I think Joe Girardi has done a great job managing thus far in ’09. Plus when you’re DHing A-Rod, if Hinske is playing 3rd at least you are not giving tons away offensively by putting Ransom or Pena in the lineup once a week.

  177. Hokiehill June 30th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Rodriques is injured and Duncan is vastly over-rated because he’s big and scary and doesn’t mind fighting people. Not to mention the Yankees are giving up nothing.

    As CB and SJ basically said, the reason bench players never look attractive is because they get compared to full time position guys…if they had the stats and skill-sets of fulltime players, they would not be bench players. Hinske is not an all-star, but he can sub in for multiple guys and can hit a few homers and costs nothing

  178. gayle June 30th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    To me the deal is a no brainer.We gave up no one of value and already Hinske on the bench improves the team gives a left handed power bat off the bench, he can spell swish in Rh who badly needs a day off and can fill some the roles.

  179. Andrew June 30th, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    Nevermind that last post then when I said it keeps Pena around, bummer that El Nino has to go but I understand in the long run. Hopefully he re-emerges in August or September.

  180. bailey June 30th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Maybe Yanks are tired of Swisher the clown and realize he is a limited player. I cant imagine if the Yanks did not sign Tex, as the Yanks were so ready to put Swish as the everyday 1B man

  181. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    “if we were to trade Ransom to the Mets you think they give up Feliciano ?”

    Brandon,

    Come on. How much do you want to hurt the mets. Feliciano throws like every other day for the mets. He’s a key piece to the way they distribute workload out of the pen.

    There’s no way.

  182. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    Why are they sending down El Nino for ? his defense is worlds better than Ransom WTH !

  183. Mike R. June 30th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    From Sherman -

    2. They are planning to send down Pena later today. They want Pena to continue to develop as a prospect and get more at-bats. But they also want Pena to also start playing some outfield and see if he can be used in the near future as a super-sub around the diamond, much like Atlanta uses Omar Infante.

  184. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    John Rodriquez is hurt and can’t play third base.

    Sorry but, Shelley Duncan is not a better player than Eric Hinske. If he was, he would have been picked up by somebody in the off-season when he was a minor league free agent.

  185. herbie June 30th, 2009 at 12:23 pm

    I hope its Ransom that goes. Not Pena. Does anyone know when Molina is due back? Did he get run over by a bus? You would think that by how long he has been out. I am glad Wang seems to be improving, my question is why did it take him more than a year to recover?

  186. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 12:24 pm

    If the Yanks did not obtain Hinske, they were going to send down Pena anyway and summon Shelley Duncan to try to provide some off-the-bench punch.

  187. RhapsodyInBlue June 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    Yankees sign Hinske, I guess a minotaur in pinstripes is something to look forward to.

  188. Kernal June 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    How could OAK have given up Carlos Gonzalez and Street for 1 yr od Holliday?

    Gonzalez and Street are huge reasons why the Rocks are red hot. Gonzo gave them a spark when he came up and Street has been lights out at the end of games.

    The legend of Billy Beane dwindles….

  189. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    “2. They are planning to send down Pena later today. They want Pena to continue to develop as a prospect and get more at-bats. But they also want Pena to also start playing some outfield and see if he can be used in the near future as a super-sub around the diamond, much like Atlanta uses Omar Infante.”

    DO THAT IN THE OFFSEASON DAMMIT ! :x

  190. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Ramiro Pena needs to play everyday. He isn’t being sent down for punishment. They want to develop him as a long term option on their roster.

    To do so, he has to play.

    If Sherman’s info is correct, that’s actually good news for Pena. It means he has a future in NY.

  191. poor mets June 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Amazing that Mets didnt grab Hinske- he`d play everyday there

  192. Frank from Chatham, NJ June 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Could Cash DL Matsui to make room for Hinske?

  193. DB June 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Thanks Ed, I would have thought it would of took longer to state the obvious. Pena filled in admirably. It’s time for him to get more experience.

  194. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    “Ridiculous. Swisher is a starter, and he is having just as good a season, if not better, than JD Drew and Nick Markakis. ”

    I like Swisher. He’s fine as a starter. It was great trade getting him.

    But this is where the insanity surrounding Nick Swisher just gets out of control. Swisher is better than Nick Markakis? Really.

    This myopic focus on OPS is just out of control. Better than Nick Markakis? Why? Because markakis is having a down year, though not nearly as down as “Swish” had last year.

    Unbelievable. He’s not nearly the player Markakis is and if Drew’s back is ok Drew is significantly better than Swisher.

  195. stuart a June 30th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    hinkse was a good pickup it is for 90 games, cheap, and he is a pro with some pop.

    whydo some clowns expect them to be able to makea big move and pick up a real stud? who is thrading this stud, and for whom?

    Pena will be playing everyday in AAA and be up in September.. He is 23 so he got the taste of the big leagues and go from there….

    i especially like theo epsteins brilliant SS moves over the last 5 or 6 years. lugo has a good contrat, renteria was a good trade also………

  196. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:27 pm

    Brandon,

    You don’t do that in the off-season. You blow a year of the kid’s development.

    You get him 150 AB’s, and play him where you want to play him, in AAA. That’s far more valuable than infrequent use at the ML level.

  197. tex's friend June 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    pena needs to play everyday if he is going to be our next SS. it’s nice to have him but its only fair to him to let him play everyday and come back in september.

  198. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    “not a good sign for trading contracts, as tiny pirates pay some of hinske’s $1.5 mil to yanks”

    Unbelievable. From a baseball perspective this is the most notable part of the deal.

    That is just amazing. The pirates sending yankees any money on a $1.5M deal. Remarkable.

  199. stuart a June 30th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    nikc markakis is better then swisher hitting with 1 arm… markakis is a better fielder with a great arm, a better hitter by far, and a better baserunner besides those areas swisher is better at yucking it up and playing loud music and his antics to the crowd……..

  200. charlestonchew June 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    This is a great pickup and a great move by Cashman. Many people are holding on to the idea that Pena is this incredible player. We all know that he has some potential and will at the very least be a very solid backup at the ML level.

    But, Hinske is a proven offensive force off the bench with a long track record. He’s versatile enough to be far more valuable than Shelley Duncan, who has no defensive position at all. Hinske can fill in at first, third, left or right. He also hits for a decent average and OBP. What is there to complain about?

    What bench player on our team has 20HR potential in each year and can cover 4 positions if needed?

    This is a great pickup and Pena needs to be sent down, unfortunately, to get more playing time and consistent at bats.

  201. Mo June 30th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Swisher’s OPS would place him 12th among qualified first basemen. No matter where he is on the field, he would be an above average offensive player. You people see a few baserunning mistakes and decide he isn’t a starter.

  202. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    “Brandon,

    You don’t do that in the off-season. You blow a year of the kid’s development.

    You get him 150 AB’s, and play him where you want to play him, in AAA. That’s far more valuable than infrequent use at the ML level.”

    Aren’t you the same person that said SPRING TRAINING IS OVER, we’re gonna get weaker defensively and slower on the basepaths off the bench. I hope it works but this pisses me off.

  203. Rob L. June 30th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    Can we at least let the guy put the uniform on before we declare this a bad deal.

  204. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Brandon,

    chill out dude. Pena needs more playing time to develop his bat, and be more vertisale. Cashman can’t afford to let Pena do that in the ML level.

  205. RalphieD (OPPC) June 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    honestly ill hate to see pena go down but it is in his best interest to play every day…we’ve seen good things from him and he can get better…and if they do in fact want him to play some outfield.he can become that amazingly valuable super utility guy that can play anyyyyywhere..

  206. betsy June 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    I’m just getting to this now, but SJ – I disagree about Hughes. Sherman is a dope – Phil does not belong permanently in the pen. I don’t think we need to wait 2/3 years before making any hard and fast decisions. The kid is a starter and he’s going to be an excellent one.

    I agree that Hughes is taking the right attitude, but why is he any different than Joba? I’m thrilled that he’s taken to the role, but that’s not what he wants to do and it’s not what he’s best suited for. As Cash said, any very good starter is going to look great in the pen..

    It’s disappointing, but hardly surprising, that Sherman and his compatriots have zero foresight.

  207. The Ghost June 30th, 2009 at 12:35 pm

    The Yankee pitching staff is playing up to its potential for the first time this season and Cashman is going to tempt fate and send down Cervelli in favor of Molina??? What part of “this pitching staff (and team for that matter) was a TOTAL mess before the Yankees brought up The Catalyst does Cashman not understand. He has brought this team back from the dead not once mind you, but twice. This team has an incredibly delicate chemistry and Cervelli is a very important ingredient on the field and in the clubhouse. I know we all love Molina but he actually slows the offense down when he’s in the game. Cervelli offers a refreshing change of pace to Posada at bat and behind the plate. This is something that can keep this team from going into the debilitating losing streaks that have been their MO for the last 3 years.

  208. G. Love June 30th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

    I don’t care about Hinske coming to the team. But it should be him for Ransom.

    The first time Hinkse or Ransom blow a play in the field that leads to runs, all of you will be squealing about how Pena would have made the play.

    When you’re building a winner you need roles. Pena had come in as the defensive whiz who could run and get down a bunt if need be.

    Now we’re losing that and replacing it with another 1b/DH/OF who can play 3b but is horrible there.

    And he’s horrible there. With his offensive stats he’d start for many teams at 3b if he could provide defense.

    Hinske isn’t the issue to me though. It’s keeping Ransom over Pena.

    Out of the Pena, Ransom and Hinske, the guy I’d pick first for the bench is Pena.

  209. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    “Can we at least let the guy put the uniform on before we declare this a bad deal.”

    He could suck and it’s still a good deal. They paid nothing. Hinske improves the bench. And they got paid some.
    Even if he produces Pudge-like Yankee numbers from last year, it’s a good deal.

  210. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    “You people see a few baserunning mistakes and decide he isn’t a starter.”

    You look on fangraphs leaders board and see that Swisher’s OPS right now happens to be higher than Markakis’s and from that single number you infer that he’s a better player than Markakis.

    Swisher is a starter. Hinske will not take at bats from him.

    But some pro-Swisher people have turned his assessement into a larger symbolic argument about the value of sabermetrics.

    So Swisher is fine as a starting RF. He’s not even remotely close to being as good as Nick Markakis or JD Drew when healthy.

  211. Adam June 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    Good news about the Hinske trade:

    He has been in the World Series the last two years: BOS AND TB! Maybe it’s a precursor to the future!

  212. Joe from Long Island June 30th, 2009 at 12:37 pm

    If the story about Pena going to play some OF in Scranton is true, it sounds like the Yanks are trying to groom him for a spot as a longterm bench role. With the IFs the Yanks have, and their model of going for high profile starters, that’s the only way he remains in NY. Which isn’t a bad thing.

  213. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Brandon,

    Hinske is a better bench player than Pena. Its not even close. He is a veteran guy with extensive experience playing against AL pitching. That counts in a pennant race.

    This gives the Yankees the chance to get Pena daily AB’s and games in AAA. That’s in his best interests as he develops.

    Its much easier for veterans to play off the bench than it is for kids. That’s why most WS winning teams have veterans, and not kids, on their bench.

    CB,

    As I’ve been saying, the “new economic reality” is hitting everybody in baseball. When the Pirates have to kick in money to be able to complete the deal, that just tells you the days of the Yankees, or any team for that matter, being a receptible for contracts are over.

    EVERYBODY in the game are now watching their bottom lines.

  214. Swisher June 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    The up side is he has power and he walks
    His batting average is awful. he has no speed, and is a below average fielder and thrower.

  215. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 30th, 2009 at 12:39 pm

    Doug (New Rochelle, NY) 9:03 AM
    Hi Rob – Would the Yanks consider grooming Hughes to be MO’s heir apparent, should he continue to excel in the bullpen. He certainly throws hard enough, has a nasty breaking ball, etc. Why not, if they are intent on keeping Joba in the rotation.

    Rob Neyer 9:07 AM
    It just doesn’t make sense to turn a guy into a reliever until he’s failed as a starter. Which Hughes has not, yet. *If the Yankees don’t have room for him as a starter, they should trade him.*

    ====================

    What? :?

  216. Johnny D. June 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Ironic that Nady’s replacement also comes for the Pirates. I think he’s a good acquisition and, again, the Pirates got the raw end.

  217. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    “I don’t care about Hinske coming to the team. But it should be him for Ransom.

    The first time Hinkse or Ransom blow a play in the field that leads to runs, all of you will be squealing about how Pena would have made the play.

    When you’re building a winner you need roles. Pena had come in as the defensive whiz who could run and get down a bunt if need be.

    Now we’re losing that and replacing it with another 1b/DH/OF who can play 3b but is horrible there.

    And he’s horrible there. With his offensive stats he’d start for many teams at 3b if he could provide defense.

    Hinske isn’t the issue to me though. It’s keeping Ransom over Pena.

    Out of the Pena, Ransom and Hinske, the guy I’d pick first for the bench is Pena.”

    Exactly if they want to make him a longterm UTY, that’s what winterball is for. We lose an aspect of smallball and the best glove on the team and out of those 3.

  218. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    It just doesn’t make sense to turn a guy into a reliever until he’s failed as a starter. Which Hughes has not, yet. If the Yankees don’t have room for him as a starter, they should trade him.

    huh? come again?

  219. Joe from Long Island June 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    Ghost – How come Cervelli didn’t prevent that horrible streak of games against Boston – Washington – Florida. The Yanks went, what, 2-7? And if you include the first game against Atlanta before Cash showed up, it was 2-8.

  220. Johnny D. June 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Was Mariano a failed starter?!?!

    That answer is idiotic.

  221. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    “Hinske isn’t the issue to me though. It’s keeping Ransom over Pena.”

    I also think they should keep Pena up. But you can’t blame Hinske for what the other roster move is.

    And the other thing you have to take into consideration is that it’s very possible the yankees are only sending Pena down for a limited period of time.

    They very well may think that Pena is such a good athlete that he can learn how to play outfield very quickly if he gets reps there in the minors. They may want him to say be able to sub in LF later on this year.

    He’ll be back on the team later this year and if they make the post season he’ll most definitely be on the roster.

  222. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    apparently Rob thinks the Yankees are only concerned about 2009.

    also, how come the *s are not working to bold text anymore?

  223. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    “Rob Neyer 9:07 AM
    It just doesn’t make sense to turn a guy into a reliever until he’s failed as a starter. Which Hughes has not, yet. *If the Yankees don’t have room for him as a starter, they should trade him.*”

    WHAT ? they pay this guy for ESPN columns ?

  224. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 30th, 2009 at 12:43 pm

    Ed – almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 12:41 pm

    It just doesn’t make sense to turn a guy into a reliever until he’s failed as a starter. Which Hughes has not, yet. If the Yankees don’t have room for him as a starter, they should trade him.

    huh? come again?

    ===========================

    I know. I was like..huh? lol

  225. Mo June 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    CB, you turned this into a huge philosophical argument when there is none. Strawman much? All I said is that he is having a better season than Markakis. Nice of you to twist what I said. Did I ever say he is a better player than either of those guys? I said he is having as good, if not better a season than them. I find it hard to believe you would argue with that. Quite frankly, you use stats all the time, but discard them in regard to this point, and I have no idea why.

  226. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    Betsy,

    Nobody is saying that Hughes is going to be a permanent bullpen guy. He isn’t.

    However, he is helping the team and himself, THIS YEAR in the bullpen.

    If the options are starting in Scranton or becoming the 8th inning guy (which he will be soon enough, IMO) in NY this year, its a no brainer that you keep him here.

    The idea is to have people in roles to help the NY Yankees win games. Its not about helping Scranton win another IL title.

    The Yankees are a better team with Phil Hughes in the bullpen right now. That’s why he is there.

    After this year, he will go back to being a starting pitcher because there will be a spot available to him in the 2010 rotation.

    He’s not the first guy who went about it this way. See Johan Santana and Adam Wainright as two examples of guys who did it the same way.

  227. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    SA,

    apparently Neyer didn’t get the memo that Hughes will be replacing Andy next season if he’s going to retire.

  228. rconn23 June 30th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    That’s odd from Neyer, considering that he was in favor of putting Hughes in the bullpen on a temporary basis.

    I think his answer is merely to question of putting Hughes in the role full time (beyond this year), which would be ridiculous.

  229. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:46 pm

    “As I’ve been saying, the “new economic reality” is hitting everybody in baseball. When the Pirates have to kick in money to be able to complete the deal, that just tells you the days of the Yankees, or any team for that matter, being a receptible for contracts are over.”

    Billy Beane can’t be happy. If the pirates had to take on money to move hinske to the yanks beane’s options with holliday are very narrow.

    That money aspect to me is still one of the biggest part of the trade. What a telling sign for where the trade market is.

  230. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    CB I’ll go w/ it if it’s to that extent, I know Cody has this big heart felt story but I’m not a fan of him over Pena. Not by a long, long, looooooooong shot.

    If it’s Pena sent down to get 2-3 wks. of UTY work and he’s back in late July than I’ll be ok w/ it, since there is 2 wks. before ASB and he’d be playing AAA games in all those spots. I’m hoping it’s like you say.

  231. rconn23 June 30th, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    Didn’t Chad Billingsley also start in the bullpen?

  232. raymagnetic June 30th, 2009 at 12:49 pm

    “Didn’t Chad Billingsley also start in the bullpen?”

    Not exactly. He was moved to the bullpen after struggling as a starter his second year with the team.

    They thought putting him in the pen would help him work out his kinks and it did.

  233. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 12:51 pm

    Sean (Seattle)
    Regarding the earlier Beltre comment, I watching him try to gut it out every game, and am appreciative of the effort. If he relocates this winter, I thank him for a good 5 years. That being said, do you see the M’s staying around in the AL West without him? It’s a big drop from Beltre to Woodward.

    Rob Neyer
    They were already living on the edge, and playing a scrub at third base probably pushes them off. Of course, it’s not like Beltre was doing much. And they do have some moves that would help (like getting Griffey out of the lineup).

  234. Brent June 30th, 2009 at 12:52 pm

    “Terrible trade.
    Heinske is a SCRUB. .250 hitter, strikes out a ton, low OBP, and is an awful fielder… he is bad everywhere, especially 3rd base.
    Is this Cashman’s big acquisition?”

    A scrub? At least review the guy’s stats before posting. His “low OBP” is .373 this year. Pretty good. He’s a serviceable fielder who is sure to benefit from the stadium’s new HR-machine. HE’S ONLY HERE TO BE A BENCH PLAYER. He’s better/more versatile than Ransom, and that’s all we need him to be. Good trade.

  235. Mark in Tampa June 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    CB,

    Question for you, since you seem to be the best stats guy on here. OPS is the “in” stat right now, but shouldn’t there be more emphasis on the SLG part? IMO, I would rather have a player with an .850 OPS, but 525 comes from SLG, than a player whose .850 has 425 OBP/425 SLG, for example. When there are two outs, RISP, and an inferior hitter on deck, I want the guy who is going hit, not walk. You still have to take what the pitcher puts up there, and not get yourself out on really bad pitches; but I want the aggressive hitter in there.

  236. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Rishi, the HTML codes are back on.

  237. Danny June 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Swisher has a cool haircut… that, combined with his OPS makes him better than Nick Markakis.

  238. rconn23 June 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    Need to learn a little bit more about the value of on-base percentage is you deem a .373 OBP “low”.

  239. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    sweet – thanks, Ed

  240. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    ronn,

    Yes he did.

    Folks complain the Yankees don’t get creative. When they do, people complain they are getting creative.

    I don’t get it.

  241. Jeff NJ - Yankee Fan in Good Times and Bad June 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    I’ve had Hinske many times in my AL only fantasy league, as recently as last season. The guy can play and is a great bench strengthener. No brainer. Good for Cash for acting early. Not sure what Ransom’s future is with the DeCaster signing.

  242. Mo June 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Actually Mark, if I recall correctly, sabermatricians will tell you that the second player, with more of his OPS from OBP, is more valuable.

  243. abernste June 30th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    I look at Hinske as a replacement for Berroa — and on that level, it’s a pretty good move.

  244. tampayank June 30th, 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Hinske seems like a good clubhouse guy; he seems loved everywhere he’s been…I think it’s a low cost, good move

  245. S.A.--It's a marathon, not a sprint. June 30th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    nyp_joelsherman twitter: Interesting that Yanks are sending R.Pena to T-A to also play OF to become Omar Infante super-utility type for later this season.

  246. Chris June 30th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    Hinske has been on 2 world series teams in the last 2 years (Boston 07, Tampa 08)

    He can teach this team how to win.

  247. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 12:57 pm

    If anybody really believes Nick Swisher is a better player than Nick Markakis, you really need to step away from the stat sheet and watch the games.

    He isn’t even close to being as good a player as Markakis.

    Put it to you another way….

    If Brian Cashman called Andy McPhail this afternoon and offered Nick Swisher for Nick Markakis straight up, McPhail would probably have a seizure from laughing so hard.

  248. CB June 30th, 2009 at 12:58 pm

    “All I said is that he is having a better season than Markakis.”

    Based on the fact that he currently has a better OPS. Small sample size considerations?

    OPS is not the be all and end all of determining who is having a better season and how the better player is.

    Sorry, but taking at bats away from Nick Swisher is not even remotely equivalent to taking at bats away from Markakis. That’s a strawman. None is a DH. So taking at bats away from any of them requires them to not play the field.

  249. tampayank June 30th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    is Pete ok, weird this hasn’t been posted on this blog, which is the best out there? It’s posted everywhere, maybe he’s working an audio interview w/ Hinske, would like to see what he has to say about coming to NY

  250. teddy June 30th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    agree sj, nick be having a bad half, he better than nick thats because he really good and not a knock on nick

  251. Cobra 272 June 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    You wanted Mark DeRosa, right? Well we got a LH version of him. Hinske can play 1st, 3rd, LF, RF, has pop, good OBP, knows how to win and get big hits and is a good clubhouse presence.

    Who cares about his defense? We’re a bad defensive team all around!! Hinske isin’t going to make us worse.

  252. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    “Didn’t Chad Billingsley also start in the bullpen?”

    Kinda, sorta. Dodgers brought him up to start in his rookie year. 1st 16 MLB appearances were as a starter. He struggled badly with his control, though his ERA was quite good. He closed that year with a couple relief appearances and spent the 1st half of his second season in the pen, before being locked in as a full time starter.

  253. BBB June 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Love this Hinske deal! you can never have too much depth and it’s a solid upgrade to our weak bench. I am a bit concerned about Pena getting sent down instead of Ransom though; I understand the logic behing it in theory, but in practice, can Ransom really fill in at short as ably as Pena? Because we all know that if Ransom is any less than great out there, Jeter will insist on playing through any banged-upness or injury. And with the kind of year he’s having so far, I really want him to keep fresh.

  254. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    NYY didn’t lose a great amount of talent in picking up Hinske. Erickson was at Charleston as a starter last year and didn’t do well. He’s just about 24 and was being converted to a middle relief pitcher. Fryer was an infielder (mainly 2nd base). A lot of errors, not showing much power, some speed. NYY got him from Milwaukee for Chase Wright.

    Hector Noesi was promoted to Tampa (High A) from Charleston, as was Venditte (had a perfect inning in first game).

  255. Coach6423 June 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Johnny D. June 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    Was Mariano a failed starter?!?!

    That answer is idiotic.

    ——–

    Yes Mo was a failed starter. His answer is long term, not for this year. He is saying if they don’t have room for Hughes in the rotation long term, he is going to be more valuable to the Yankees in what he can bring back, then if you put him in the pen.

  256. BBB June 30th, 2009 at 1:02 pm

    Also, no time to scroll all the way up but did someone really write that Swisher was better than Markakis? Oh…kay? Geez, and I thought I was a hardcore Yankee Kool Aid chugger! :)

  257. 86w183 June 30th, 2009 at 1:03 pm

    Considering the way the starting pitching has been, why not keep Pena and Ransom and wave bye-bye to Tomko. With Hughes and Aceves you have two guys who can pitch 3+ innings if need be plus Bruney, Coke and Robertson for support. Tose five and Mariano should be able to handle the work load and give Girardi even more options off the bench.

    The last month or so the Yanks have averaged about 17 innings a week from the bullpen — that’s less than three innings a week for six guys… so why not?

  258. Mo June 30th, 2009 at 1:04 pm

    Did I mention OPS in that comment? He is reaching base more often and is hitting for more power. Markakis also strikes out plenty, and does not steal bases either. Markakis is actually having an awful year defensively according to UZR, but I will concede that he is the better defensive player, by a lot, and is clearly the better player. But right now, overall, Swisher is having a better year. Why not support your argument with some numbers? You cant say “small sample size” when the two things we are comparing are that very sample.

    SJ,

    No one said Swisher is better, anywhere.

  259. Betsy June 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    SJ, I’ve come to sort of agree with you on Phil in the pen now. I was just referring to your comment that no decisions had to be made now…..in reference to Sherman’s article. There is no decision to be made beyond this year as Phil is a starter by nature and by talent. That’s what Sherman doesn’t understand. IMO, he’s really reaching by saying that Phil sounds like Rivera years ago. Phil wants to start and he’s got the talent, pitches and demeanor to start. I love the below quote, but it’s obvious that Joel was trying to make a point about Mo and he specifically questioned Phil about “philling” Mo’s role down the line. What was Phil going to say? That he wouldn’t want to have Mo’s career? As to his demeanor, I love his laid back attitude – but that works perfectly fine as a starter. Sherman is just trying to stir something up – the Yankees have no intention of making Hughes their future closer when he can be a future stud SP.

    I was more directing my comments to Sherman and the other mediots who will undoubtedly follow his lead

    “Yes, I want to be a starter still,” Hughes said, sounding quite like Rivera 13 years ago. “But it wouldn’t be bad to have Mariano Rivera’s career. I want to be pitching in the major leagues. That is what is important to me. I think too many guys are too picky.”

  260. pat June 30th, 2009 at 1:05 pm

    Hinske + cash considerations – 2 lower level prospects with questionable futures= no brainer.

  261. Mo June 30th, 2009 at 1:06 pm

    Let me reiterate this, because some people are having reading comprehension issues. Markakis is a better player than Swisher. Swisher, to date, is having a better season. Why is that so hard to fathom?

  262. gayle June 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Youk pulls ahead of Tex again in All Star balloting. However Yankees are are at home for final days of voting and Youk on the road

  263. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    “Considering the way the starting pitching has been, why not keep Pena and Ransom and wave bye-bye to Tomko.”

    Hinske’s addition only serves to diminish the relatively low number of PA’s these guys will see. How are they, or the Yankees served by that?

  264. rconn23 June 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    I’m a Swisher fan, but clearly he’s not as good an all around player as Markakis.

    He’s a much better fielder and baserunner than Swisher.

    Swisher stirs a lot of emotions on this blog. I think the team badly needed his patient bat in the lineup with the loss of Abreu. Frankly, I love him batting second.

    However, he’s never going to be a .300 hitter and is always going to have a ton of strikeouts.

    Still, I think the Yankees are a better team with him in the lineup and considering he was traded for Wilson Betemit – he was a steal.

    The opposite end of the hitting spectrum is Cano. Cano hacks away, and is too aggressive while Swisher is perhaps too patient.

    If you could Frankenstein their abilities you’d have a really good hitter.

  265. Mark in Tampa June 30th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    “Actually Mark, if I recall correctly, sabermatricians will tell you that the second player, with more of his OPS from OBP, is more valuable.”

    That is fine in theory, but the game is played on the field. As Andre Dawson said as he was struggling to get votes for HOF b/c his OBP wasn’t as good as some voters wanted: “If I had known walks would be that important to the HOF, I would have walked more. I thought I was up there to hit.”

  266. BBB June 30th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    “Billy Beane can’t be happy. If the pirates had to take on money to move hinske to the yanks beane’s options with holliday are very narrow.”

    CB: Do you think this same economic state will continue throughout the offseason, forcing Holliday to sign an Adam Dunn like deal? Or better yet, making it an attractive option for the Nats to move Dunn to the Yanks for salary relief?

    When Beane traded for Holliday, I was sure it was with the intent to sell high on him this summer. Don’t know whether he didn’t see this economic crunch around baseball coming, but this certainly isnt the best trade he’s ever made, especially considering he gave up what seems (so far) to be the best piece he got in the Haren deal.

  267. Gary June 30th, 2009 at 1:09 pm

    Hinske = Richie Sexon

  268. Patrick from CT June 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    BBB
    June 30th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
    Love this Hinske deal!

    ===========================================================

    I don’t know that I love the move but you can see why they made it.
    If Hinske can play 3rd then it is a good move. He’s a bench guy with some pop and insurance since Nady is done for the year.
    Yes, I like Pena too. He’s still on the 40 man and will be back before the end of the year.

  269. Robbykid June 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    Anyway we make a pitch for Ryan Madson? I know the Phillies were looking at Wang…..

  270. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    “Youk pulls ahead of Tex again in All Star balloting. However Yankees are are at home for final days of voting and Youk on the road”

    Boston’s been on the road for a week and half. WTF happened?

  271. CB June 30th, 2009 at 1:10 pm

    “since you seem to be the best stats guy on here. OPS is the “in” stat right now, but shouldn’t there be more emphasis on the SLG part? IMO, I would rather have a player with an .850 OPS, but 525 comes from SLG, than a player whose .850 has 425 OBP/425 SLG”

    Mark,

    It’s a good question and I think it’s really an issue which is somewhat outside of statistics and really depends on what kind of trade off one is willing to make.

    And personally, I also think it depends on the context of the line up the player plays in.

    On the whole OPS is a statistic which really makes no sense. People call it a “metric” and it’s really not. It’s not measuring anything – it’s aggregated two different statistics together for unclear reasons. Basically people did statistical analysis, determined that the two stats which are most corrlated with scoring runs is on base percentage and slugging and then they created a new stat adding them together.

    In retrospect this was a mistake. Combining individual statistics together is very complicated and there are entire fields of social sciences which try to address the issue. To do something like that you have to rescale them. OPS never did that.

    So now it’s useful but it’s much more ad hoc than one would like.

    On the whole OPS systematically undervalues OBP. The reason why is that the scale for Slg % is completely different. Slugging % goes much higher than OBP can. The number will generally always be higher because it depends on the number of bases – a HR counts as 4 bases, etc. It makes no sense adding Slg % and OBP together.

    Stats like EqA and wOBA are much cleaner stats that have much more focused meanings than OPS. OPS will eventually fall out of favor. But ironically in trying to replace batting average as the be all and end all the sabermetrics community developed something that is also highly problematic. Price of progress I guess.

    I do think that the worst thing a hitter can generally do is to make an out. OBP does matter a lot. You only have 27 outs.

    That said, how does a team balance it’s strenght in OBP, Slg %, and batting average to me is far from straight forward. It’s very complicated because it depends on context.

  272. SJ44 June 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    There is nothing in Hinske’s game that resembles Richie Sexson.

    Nice try though. Just missed the mark badly.

  273. 86w183 June 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    SteveB—-

    Late inning defensive and pinch running options are good things to have. A 12th reliever who generally pitches in games after they’ve been decided is less atractive as far as I’m concerned.

    I’ve never been a fan of 12-man bullpens because two or three guys don’t get enough work. The Yankees had to go with 12 last year because the starting pitching was so bad but that’s no longer the case.

  274. Bronx 77 June 30th, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    So on days when Gardner/Melky are in the lineup…. we have no speed or defense on the bench.

    Great move. Send down our best utility man, defensive player, and speed guy outside of Gardner for another journeyman meidocre bat.

    Makes perfect sense.

  275. jashell2000 June 30th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    “McPhail would probably have a seizure from laughing so hard.”

    Actually SJ, I think McPhail would have the opposite emotion, get furious, cuss Cashman out for thinking he is an idiot and then hang up.

    Agreed, Swish is not in Markakis’ league. Watch ‘em play, it’s not that hard to see.

  276. jashell2000 June 30th, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    “McPhail would probably have a seizure from laughing so hard.”

    Actually SJ, I think McPhail would have the opposite emotion, get furious, cuss Cashman out for thinking he is an idiot and then hang up.

    Agreed, Swish is not in Markakis’ league. Watch ‘em play, it’s not that hard to see.

  277. wherezbernie June 30th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    cobra — “Who cares about his defense? We’re a bad defensive team all around!! Hinske isn’t going to make us worse.”
    ————————–
    pat — Hinske + cash considerations – 2 lower level prospects with questionable futures= no brainer.
    ————————–
    TIED for “You Win At The Internet” !!
    ————————–
    Darn, nothing quite stirs the baseball soul like discussion about mid-season utility pickups.
    Hinske is adding another visa stamp to his “Tour of the A.L. East”. All he needs to add now after NY is Baltimore, and he’ll wind up there sooner or later, he’s really an Orioles sort of pickup, like a left handed Wigginton. This dude oughtta love hitting at the new Stadium though. He’ll fatten that HR total right up.

  278. Betsy June 30th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    One more thing about Phil – I never questioned his toughness. I saw enough in his ALDS performance to know this kid had the goods. What I think happened was that he lost his confidence. Here was a youngster used to dominating everyone he faced. He nearly throws a no-no in the bigs, showing that he could pitch up there. He suffers severe injuries which make him tentative – he can’t trust his legs, his mechanics get out of whack, et…..Phil did settle down and pitch well in September and October of 2007, but I do think the rib bothered him in 2008 even before it was diagnosed. It’s just my opinion – I have no proof to back it up. Basically, I really just think this lack of confidence made it appear that Phil wasn’t tough. I guess he did need cold water thrown on him, but whatever – I give him credit for not getting down.

  279. jashell2000 June 30th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    sorry for double post.

  280. Stadium June 30th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    You can always get rid of Tomko and go with 12 pitchers and Pena.

  281. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    “especially considering he gave up what seems (so far) to be the best piece he got in the Haren deal.”

    Best piece in the Haren deal pitched for the Athletics last night.

  282. michelle b. in the ghetto's of oakland June 30th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    KInda Cool to wake up and read about the independent league players getting a chance. I worked as an Athletic Trainer for the Gary Southshore Railcats. Our first season we didnt have a home stadium (it was being built) so we spent the entire season on the road… Those players were the hardest working guys i’ve ever worked with. And, I’m so glad someone is giving them a shot at making it. The independent leagues arent for the weak at heart.

  283. Jerkface June 30th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    SJ44: Mark Teixeira a good decision? How about CC Sabathia? AJ Burnett? Drafting Joba instead of Craig Hansen, the NY beat writers flavor of the day in 2005?
    ——-

    But if we had drafted Craig hansen we could have traded him for Jason bay!!

  284. Betsy June 30th, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    I like Pena a lot, but he needs to play. Sitting on the bench is not helping his development one bit – even if he’s just a career utility guy, he still needs to play.

  285. Four hour June 30th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    Hinske in this stadium with his lefty pop will hit 30 HRs

  286. jennifer June 30th, 2009 at 1:16 pm

    gayle June 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Youk pulls ahead of Tex again in All Star balloting. However Yankees are are at home for final days of voting and Youk on the road
    *********

    Gayle I thought that voting in the stadiums is over, and it is only online. Sad that Kevin pulled ahead.

  287. Russell NY June 30th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    I love the Hinske move. They gave up nothing: right-hander Casey Erickson and outfielder Eric Fryer.

  288. CB June 30th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    “Do you think this same economic state will continue throughout the offseason, forcing Holliday to sign an Adam Dunn like deal? ”

    I dont’ know if it’ll be a Dunn deal. But the economy coupled with his performance is going to hurt him immensely. Holliday isn’t going to get anywhere close to the $100M + deal he’s looking for.

  289. Nick June 30th, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Looks like we’re not going to be setting any errorless streaks again soon lol

  290. jennifer June 30th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Regarding the Rios talk from yesterday. Heard on the radio and part of the reason they are looking to move him is his bad attitude.

  291. Andrew June 30th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    The errorless streak was a fluke anyway, this team is no great defensive unit–they played well for a long stretch, but they are going to hover around average defensively regardless of a long errorless streak. Adding Hinske to the bench doesn’t really change that, and Pena’s demotion doesn’t either considering he doesn’t log enough innings to really contribute too greatly to team defense.

  292. Torro June 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Youkallis and A-Rod will make the AS team as reserves.

    Jeter will start at SS, MO will make the team.

    CC probably won’t beat out Halladay, Greinke, Saunders, Weaver, Jackson etc. for a starting spot.

  293. Mark in Tampa June 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Thanks CB, that was a very in depth answer, I agree that OPS can be a little clumsy.

    “But if we had drafted Craig hansen we could have traded him for Jason bay!!”

    Did I hear right a couple weeks ago that the Yanks passed up Bard when they drafted Kennedy? If true, he must have had control issues that looked like they would never be harnessed. Otherwise, there is no way to pass up his arm for Kenndy’s.

  294. Grand Papi June 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Girls it’s called Red Sox Nation, meaning across the country. Of course Youk will beat out Tex.
    On another note. Mo only had 84 saves at Pap’s age vs. 131 for Paplebon. Just saying!

  295. gayle June 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Jennifer I didn’t know that the in stadium voting deadline was different than online.

  296. BBB June 30th, 2009 at 1:22 pm

    Steve – Thanks, I didn’t know Anderson came over in the Haren deal as well. I actually watched that game last night to see Porcello (North Jersey pride), Anderson pitched great. There was actually some talk about this on here yesterday, if Anderson, Cahill and Mazarro are the new Zito, Hudson and Mulder.

    I was thinking of Carlos Gonzalez though, obviously.

  297. Joe from Long Island June 30th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Eric Hinske as the RH version of Ty Wigginton – not a bad analogy. It all depends on context. With the right situation/team, either player can be very useful.

    And acquiring him cost vitually nothing. Taking this deal alongside the Swisher for Betemit deal, and Cash has made some nice uprgrades for little cost. Add in the DeCaster signing as another low-cost deal, with potential upside, and Cash has done all right.

  298. GGBG June 30th, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Love the Hinske move. Costs nothing. Good bench player – pinch hitter with some pop. Can play all over the diamond and is primarily a 3b, so we don’t have to see a Berroa-esque performance at 3b when ARod needs a break.

    Good move.

  299. Don June 30th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Agree Andrew

    That’s why it was hilarious that people were complaining about us playing ‘sloppy’ and making errors again right after or errorless streak ended…. um, maybe because we’re a bad defensive team and are going to make our fair share of errors? Hinske is not going to impact that one way or the other.

  300. jennifer June 30th, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    Grand Papi
    Just so you know he didn’t start out as a closer. Just saying.

  301. Boogie Down Bob June 30th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    I like the Hinske trade. He strikes me as a versatile, gritty player.

    A lasting memory I have of Hinske was back in 2007 when he leveled Jorge Posada during a play at the plate at Fenway Park.

    His experience in the AL East should help us out as well. Not a superstar, but a guy who should be able to contribute in a variety of ways.

  302. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 1:26 pm

    Have Hinske work w/ Mick Kelleher immediately. LIKE NOW.

  303. Fly Ball June 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    Hinske is going to win us a couple of games this year

    He is much more of a threat than Pena.

  304. Tom B June 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    if there was ever a way to light a fire under swisher/melky/gardners ass, it’s signing a guy that can threaten their playing time. i like it. we lose nothing, and get deeper…

  305. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    “Mo only had 84 saves at Pap’s age vs. 131 for Paplebon”

    Big deal! F. Rodriguez is a year plus younger than Papelbon and has 228.

  306. CB June 30th, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    “You cant say “small sample size” when the two things we are comparing are that very sample. ”

    Actually it does matter. Markakis has 15% more plate appearances than Swisher does. So the samples are in no way the same.

    Swisher does not sit out games randomly. Girardi sits him against certain pitchers for a reason. So the plate appearances he avoids will impact his rate statistics in a way which introduce bias.

    It also matters because of distributional issues, particularly with the unbalanced schedule. They haven’t played equivalent opposition. Now they never will but at this point in the season the difference will be greater than it will later.

    And going forward how you project the rest of their seasons based on current performance will be impacted by the conidence intervals you’d generate based on their current number of plate appearances.

  307. Jerkface June 30th, 2009 at 1:29 pm

    Daniel Bard was an unmitigated disaster in the minors until recently. Kennedy looked like a guy who could contribute immediately with the way he dominated the system. I still think he will be a good 5th/6th option for us.

    Papelbon might have more saves than Mo did, but if Papelbon pitches for 15 years I will eat a space hat.

  308. John June 30th, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    Rather than turning Pena into our Omar Infante…. why don’t we just go out and acquire Infante himself?

    Edwar and Shelly for Infante.

  309. Brandon... "R.I.P. King Of Pop" June 30th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

    “Edwar and Shelly for Infante.”

    You think Detroit would even entertain that offer :?

  310. Betsy June 30th, 2009 at 1:32 pm

    I can’t believe the uproar this caused on NYYFans. My word, you’d think the Yankees were sending down Jeter. I like Pena – he’s a very good defensive player (I also don’t like Ransom AT all – I saw enough of him in a few weeks to say for certain he’s just a bad player), but I like the idea of a supersub. It’s like Eric Hinske is going to make or break the season.

  311. no.27 June 30th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Before getting Hinske, there was no one on the bench with any power at all. Having Hinske gives Girardi more flexibility. He’s not going to make a huge difference, but I’d rather have him on the bench than Shelley Duncan.

    How is room being made on the 40 man roster and who is being sent down to open a spot on the 25 man roster?

    I’d say just DFA Ransom.

  312. Bret the Hitman June 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Hinske’s bad defense means Pena stays on as the defensive specialist and Ransom gets sent back down.

    That’s my guess.

    I do like how Hinske can play 3b in a pinch which is basically the only reason why they gave Ransom a spot on this roster.

    Pena is a ss by trade but he’s far more versatile than Ransom defensively.

  313. jennifer June 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Mike considers Johan a free agent signing? UM Okay. What ever you say.

  314. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    I believe there is space on the 40-man and Pena going down to accomodate the 25

  315. William Buckner June 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    60 dl nady

  316. Bunny June 30th, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    Steve B. Then it is no big deal about MO getting to 500 either right?.

  317. Mo June 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Really? Which pitchers has he sat Swisher against? Swisher has no noticeable platoon split, and I have not noticed any tough pitchers that he has sat him for so as to avoid the guy.

    I’m sorry, but now you are just trying to import wrinkles where there are none. Swisher has been better than Markakis thus far. While it is possible that he has faced more difficult opposition, that is unlikely to provide a huge variance in the current data. If you cant compare these two guys, then you cant ever compare two seasons from two players unless both players have the exact same amount of appearances.

    So I’m going to pose the question to you CB: thus far, who has played better?

  318. m June 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Eric Hinske? Sounds like a solid move to me. Pirate fans are going to have to petition the team to block any calls and texts from Cashman.

    How’s his fielding compared to Swisher?

    Did someone say something about negative clubhouse presence? Not going to be a problem at all in the Yankee clubhouse. The sheriff’s back this season. :)

    Are we still talking about Hughes? (my favorite topic) Phil pitched in the fall league. Not a ton, but it was to help get him back on track as far as work load. I think, too, as the season winds down they’ll turn to Phil to cover any deficiencies there might be in the rotation. Whether it be due to injuries or to simply to give guys a breather.

  319. rconn23 June 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    “On another note. Mo only had 84 saves at Pap’s age vs. 131 for Paplebon. Just saying!”

    In five years, Papelbon’s shoulder is likely to be shredded wheat.

    Just saying!

  320. Bret the Hitman June 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Would they have to DFA Ransom? There’s no risk in anyone picking him up so I say, do it. Pena is a walking web gem.

  321. John June 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    Betsy – Never say anything negative about CC or Joba on NYYfans or you will be crucified.

  322. Betsy June 30th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

    People are killing the move because they think a supersub needs to be able to hit and Pena is never going to hit enough to make this decision worthwhile. Also, they are questioning why Pena couldn’t be sent to winter ball to work in the OF….. I guess good points, but wow, Yankee fans I think just want to hate on Cashman.

  323. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    Keep this quiet on the board so Brandon doesn’t find out, but, the Pirates are in the process of acquiring Lastings Milledge for Nyjer Morgan.

    j/k Brandon

  324. Betsy June 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    John, I learned my lesson the hard way with both of them, lol. I post there a lot and I love it, but…….

  325. Big Papi June 30th, 2009 at 1:36 pm

    JerkFace, I hope you have razor sharp teeth. LOL

  326. m June 30th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    I see no discernable pattern for sitting Swisher. It’s apparent he has trouble against all pitchers, unless they make a mistake. :)

  327. Bret the Hitman June 30th, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    Hinske is here for 2 reasons. 1 is his bat. 2 is his ability to play third base. Reason number 2 nullifies Ransom. Hinske is the better hitter and Pena is the best infield defender in the entire organization. Like I said, walking-web-gem.

  328. jpb1973 June 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Does the acquisition of Hinske mean that the Yankees will now include Ramiro Pena in trade for a decent relief pitcher? If so, I don’t like it…Cody Ransom simply doesn’t play good enough defense at SS for my tastes.

  329. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    “Pirate fans are going to have to petition the team to block any calls and texts from Cashman.”

    Good move for the Yankees, but the neither the Pirates nor their fans will miss him.

  330. Forntoso June 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Ransom AND Hinske is redundant.

    Neither can hit much, neither is a good fielder, neither has speed.

    What is the purpose of keeping both?

  331. Russell NY June 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Its no fair. How are you supposed to vote against kids in Boston with no lives? You can’t win that battle. In this case, the lesser man is ahead.

  332. Ed - almost to my quarter century life June 30th, 2009 at 1:39 pm

    Brandon,

    Infante plays for Atlanta, not Detriot.

  333. Jace123 June 30th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Youkilis has 1,915,303 votes; Teixeira has received 1,875,256. CMON!! Get some votes going for the Yankees especially Teixiera you all!!! You can vote 25 times under each email address you have!!! Let’s go Yanks fans!

  334. Bret the Hitman June 30th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Hinske has proven more than Ransom ever will. He hits far better than Ransom and is a decent baserunner.

    Pena will be kept over Ransom for his defense.

  335. GreenBeret7 June 30th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

    Brandon… “R.I.P. King Of Pop”
    June 30th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
    “Edwar and Shelly for Infante.”

    You think Detroit would even entertain that offer

    ————————————————————

    I don’t think Detroit really cares one way or the other. Infante plays for Atlanta.

  336. m June 30th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Steve B,

    No, the Pirates won’t miss him at all.

    But, on top of all the deals that look bad to the uneducated fans :) , they’re sending us money? Or is that not confirmed?

  337. no.27 June 30th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Wasn’t Nady already on the 60 day DL?

  338. DocBrown June 30th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    The problem is not so much that Ramiro Pena is so great. The problem is that Cody Ransom is utterly worthless. Pena’s the wrong person to send down.

  339. Mac June 30th, 2009 at 1:42 pm

    Pena is getting sent down. It has been reported by multiple sources. Including Joel Sherman.

    Pena and Cervelli are not ready offensively to play at the MLB level. Both of them have OBP’s hovering around .300. They will be sent down so they can continue to develop.

    Molina, Hinske, and Ransom offer solid offensive options right now. If the young guys are needed due to injury they will be there. When rosters expand or if they are needed due to injury then they will be called upon to help out.

    These are good issues people.

  340. Mike June 30th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Go out and get Mark Teahan to be our super sub

  341. Bunny June 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Where’s Pete? Still at the buffet? Great update on the trade.

  342. Bret the Hitman June 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    I can see them sending down Cervelli and Pena to develop them more offensively but that also makes them better candidates to make the postseason roster than Molina and Ransom.

  343. Steve B June 30th, 2009 at 1:44 pm

    Mel:

    I believe the Pirates are sending $400K to pay some of Hinske’s salary.

  344. pat June 30th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    “What is the purpose of keeping both?”

    One can play up the middle in the infield and the other can play the corners in both the IF and OF?

  345. Bryan June 30th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    must be a tasty hearty lunch

  346. Uncle Ellsworth June 30th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Mo was a late bloomer- if he wasn’t he would have 700 saves and probably be retired

  347. Jerkface June 30th, 2009 at 1:46 pm

    papelbons peripherials are already starting to decline, and the only thing that allows him to get hitters out is that his fastball is 95 mph.

    Mark my words, Papelbon won’t be a closer in 5 years. or at the very least, not a good one. He isn’t smart enough to have a Wickman or Borowski type career

  348. ADam June 30th, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    Hinske? Im curious about this one? This must mean that Pena is going down?

  349. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    I hope that, when Hinske makes his first crucial error while subbing for ARod at third, that all the people who comment on here will remain as positive about Hinske as they are now.

    Having seen some game threads, I’m not sure that will happen, though.

  350. The Ghost June 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    The Yankees have two former Pirates on the DL, I think it’s bad mojo to make another trade with a team that sold us damaged goods not once, but twice. I would do a full workup on Hinske before I signed off on any deal.

  351. Rishi June 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    new post :)

  352. Joe from Long Island June 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    Ivan Nova pitched a 7-inning one-hitter in his AAA debut last night. Per Chad Jennings, Albaladejo also seems to have found the strike zone.

    Anyone think the Rocks might be interested in those two as part of a package for Street? If money is more important in deals in this economy, as posited by SJ, then two young, cost-controlled bullpens arms for more veteran Street might appeal, no?

  353. joe. June 30th, 2009 at 1:49 pm

    finally pete.

  354. CB June 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

    “I’m sorry, but now you are just trying to import wrinkles where there are none. ”

    The main point on sample size I was making was related to your assertion that they were equivalent samples. They aren’t. Markakis has 15% more at bats. So the samples aren’t the same.

    Regarding competition and pitcher’s faced, I’m not going to go through all of the game logs. But I do remember Swisher didn’t play against Roy Halladay and I thought that was very telling.

    Swisher accumulated fewer at bats to start the season due to Nady. In general, pitcher’s come out of spring training ahead of hitters. Swisher got fewer at bats when pitchers had their largest advantage.

    I think Swisher’s mean rate statistics are misleading. He’s been so streaky this year that over this limited sample of plate appearances it’s very difficult to derive what kind of player he is. Cano is similar. The distributional effects are significant with Swisher.

    Swisher also isn’t that great an in context player. OBP with men on base is of limited value with a player who gets so few hits.

    So I’d take markakis this season.

    Now I’ll ask you – do you really think that an at bat taken away from Markakis is equivalent to one taken away from Markakis?

  355. Trav'lin Man June 30th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Sox, Rays, Pirates, Yankees all in the past 3 years. Does Hinske just keep a bag packed?

  356. Nick in SF June 30th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    This is an -exciting- -consequential- interesting trade for the Yankees!

    Eric Hinske is an AL East specialist. This is a player who knows his way around Toronto and Boston Tampa. And he knows the visitors’ locker room in Baltimore *very* well.

    His baseball-reference.com page is sponsored by Scott E. and says “The Orioles missed out on a great player. Good luck in Pittsuburgh!” I know what you’re thinking. Scott E.? Must be Scott Erickson, who knows of what he speaks!

    Welcome to New York, Eric Hinske!

  357. trisha - OPPC lifetime member June 30th, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    FYI in case it hasn’t been mentioned already:

    Live chat with Tex at 3.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/fan_forum/chat.jsp

  358. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 1:56 pm

    CB-

    You aren’t being fair to Mo. All he originally said was that Swisher was having a better season than Markakis – not that Swisher is a better player than Markakis, or that Swisher will end up with a better season than Markakis.

    And, it’s very arguable that our Nick is in fact having a better season this year than their Nick. I know their Nick is really looking awful so far against lefties this year.

  359. murphydog June 30th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    “papelbons peripherials are already starting to decline, and the only thing that allows him to get hitters out is that his fastball is 95 mph.”

    Alas, Senor Jerkface. Do you forget the utlimate Papelbon weapon? Si, it is The Death Stare! That is why I prefer to call him El Matador.

    Papelbon gets the ball back from the catcher, he looks down at the ground and then, without warning, he lifts his head up and fixes the batter with his penetrating, steely gaze, turning the most powerful hitters’ spines to mint jelly. (Dios! Tengo miedo!) And then, my friends, like a matador, he puts in that last knife, ball smacks catcher’s glove and “Adios muchacho.”

    Yes, senor Jerkface, when Jonathan “El Matador” Papelbon is on the mound for Red Sox Nation, we are in the presence of Greatness!

    (OK, jeez, I’m just kidding)

  360. James from Jersey June 30th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    Hinske, Shminke, whatever.

    I’m just glad Cashman realized he needed a fifth outfielder with pop more than two utility infielders.

    I’m a little disappointed though. It means Shelly isn’t getting another chance in the Bronx.

    I was at two of Slam’s games in ’07 when he hit home runs. The second was that day game when he threw out a runner at home and hit a 3-run dinger with two outs in the 9th to tie the game. (I think it was against the O’s, maybe the Rays. I can’t recall.) The place went ape doo-doo.

    I liked him because he always gave the Yankees a pinch-hit power threat. I hope some other team signs him this off season or whenever he become a minor league FA and he gets another chance in the majors.

    By the way, for all you who were whining in Sunday nights thread about Robbie hitting into DPs, Yankees Republic has a good article today about yanking Robbie from the 5th spot. Long but well argued.

    http://theyankeesrepublic.blog.....to-go.html

    He wants to put Damon five? I don’t like that option, but he’s right. A-Rod needs better protection in the lineup.

    Wait, Hinkse can play 3B? Is this true?

  361. Russell NY June 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

    murphydog, I find it interesting you can say all that about Papelbon and not mention his pursed lips.

  362. CB June 30th, 2009 at 2:06 pm

    “You aren’t being fair to Mo. All he originally said was that Swisher was having a better season than Markakis – not that Swisher is a better player than Markakis, or that Swisher will end up with a better season than Markakis.”

    Fair enough. I beat it into the ground and shouldn’t have.

  363. Wave Your Hat June 30th, 2009 at 2:07 pm

    Well, CB, I do the same thing myself sometimes.

  364. murphydog June 30th, 2009 at 2:08 pm

    “murphydog, I find it interesting you can say all that about Papelbon and not mention his pursed lips.”

    Lo siento, Russell NY. My bad indeed.

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