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Hinske at the hot corner?

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 01, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Both Joe Girardi and Brian Cashman were quick to say yesterday that Eric Hinske can play first base, third base, right field and left field.

They are correct in the sense that he has played those positions in the past. But as far as third base goes, he should not.

Hinske has played 68 innings at third base since the start of the 2007 season, making two starts for the Pirates this season and four for the Rays last season. Based on the metrics, it is by far his weakest position. Most of his time at third base came early in his career.

Said one exec to Joel Sherman for his blog:: “If the Yanks think he can play third base one time a week for A-Rod, they are crazy. He stinks there.”

That’s pretty blunt. Probably pretty accurate, too.

Hinske is a passable corner outfielder. Having him fill in at one of those spots on occasion and take some pokes at that right-field wall is not a terrible idea. It might even be a good idea once in a while.

All that said, it’s nearly a mortal lock that Hinske starts at third on Tuesday in Minnesota when A-Rod gets a day off, assuming they actually give him a day off.

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88 Responses to “Hinske at the hot corner?”

  1. Rishi July 1st, 2009 at 10:02 am

    alternative = Ransom…not sure which is worse

  2. Guy July 1st, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Hughes should be the eighth inning guy!

  3. Guy July 1st, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Ransom plays a good third base.

  4. Erica - newly OPPC July 1st, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Could he be worse than Betemit was at that position?

  5. murphydog July 1st, 2009 at 10:08 am

    Hinske? You mean “Mr. Beautiful”?

    “Hinske was raised in Menasha, Wisconsin. He attended Menasha High School and played baseball, basketball and football for the Menasha Blue Jays, and lettered in all three sports. Hinske and wife Kathryn, have a daughter Ava who was born August 8, 2007. Hinske enjoys listening to metal music, citing Pantera and Metallica as two of his favorite bands. Upon joining the Blue Jays he was voted Mr. Beautiful by his team and friends around him. He is still recognized for this award today.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hinske

  6. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 10:08 am

    He’s a bad 3B, but we’re talking about a half dozen or so games over the rest of the year. Spot starting him at 3rd once every 10 or so games won’t kill them.

  7. Joey's Poodle July 1st, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Anything is better than seeing Rodriguez look like he did before his famous two days of rest, and wondering how much further they would let him deteriorate before giving him a blow.

  8. GreenBeret7 July 1st, 2009 at 10:09 am

    The remarks supposedly made to Sherman, who’s not above inventing remarks made to him, could be attributed to the idiots north of NYY. That looks like they’re fingerprints.

  9. Cash is King July 1st, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Playing Hinske 6-10 games is fine especially if you allow a defensive replacement late in the game.

  10. murphydog July 1st, 2009 at 10:11 am

    Six degrees of separation?

    “After playing for the University of Arkansas, he [Hinske] was drafted by the Chicago Cubs in the 17th round of the 1998 amateur draft.

    In March 2001, Hinske was traded to the Oakland Athletics for *Miguel Cairo*.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hinske

  11. murphydog July 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am

    That reminds me. This is always some fun if, as I am right now, you are killing time

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/oracle/

  12. Erica - newly OPPC July 1st, 2009 at 10:14 am

    I still don’t believe they will rest A-Rod. But with my luck, since I am going to the game tonight they will give him tonight off.

    Anyway, I am heading out. Have a good day everyone!

  13. GreenBeret7 July 1st, 2009 at 10:15 am

    That looks like they’re fingerprints.

    Correction: “their”

  14. Fez July 1st, 2009 at 10:16 am

    “The remarks supposedly made to Sherman, who’s not above inventing remarks made to him, could be attributed to the idiots north of NYY.”

    Could be, but he really is a garbage 3B.

  15. pat July 1st, 2009 at 10:16 am

    GB

    I guessed the exec resides north of NY and north of the border yesterday. JP has a track record of trashing a player on the record, so why not off it.

  16. Brandon...Joba = Rick "The Vild Thing" Vaughn according to some here LOL July 1st, 2009 at 10:16 am

    “Hughes should be the eighth inning guy!”

    It’s not about Hughes being the 8th inning guy, it’s about him being used in the most high leverage situation, mostly the middle of the order in the late innings rallies. But after he throws 9 pitches MY FREAKING GOD LET HIM PITCH 2 INNINGS ! :x

  17. Bronx Born July 1st, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Don’t remember the last time Mr. Sherman quoted an unnamed exec as a source and I gave it credence.

  18. murphydog July 1st, 2009 at 10:20 am

    “JP has a track record of trashing a player on the record, so why not off it.”

    Paying a guy $14 million and watching his talent disappear before your eyes will do that to a GM.

  19. murphydog July 1st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    While I’m stuck here waiting for the criminal justice system to arouse itself from its slumber, allow me to keep citing wiki:

    “Hinske was still unable to return to his rookie form in 2004, finishing the year with a batting average of .248 with 15 home runs and 69 RBIs. A positive from the 2004 season for Hinske was that he had committed a career-low 7 errors at third base, and he led all third baseman in fielding percentage, with a .978 mark.”

    Not always a bad third baseman, eh?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Hinske

  20. Bill July 1st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    ARod has played a really good 3B since his 2 days off. He looks sharp in all aspects of his game.

  21. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 10:28 am

    the sharpness of ARods defensive play and bat are leading to poor risk management decisions by Girardi and Cashman…he should be rested BEFORE he hits a slump, not after. That was the purpose of the mandatory 1 day off per week rule that they have already forgotten about. ARod has already been killed once for asking for time off so don’t look for him to do it again…this is just poor judgement

  22. rbj July 1st, 2009 at 10:29 am

    It should be real easy to evaluate Hinske’s thirdbase playing, if it’s only 68 innings. I would presume that Cashman or one of his scouts would have done that, right?

    Or am I just being hopelessly naive.

  23. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 10:29 am

    “A positive from the 2004 season for Hinske was that he had committed a career-low 7 errors at third base, and he led all third baseman in fielding percentage, with a .978 mark.”

    Not always a bad third baseman, eh?”

    Yet he’s started only 11 games at 3B since. I’m guessing someone, or several someones given his travels, thought 2004 may have been the exception rather than the rule.

  24. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    “he should be rested BEFORE he hits a slump, not after”

    Kind of tough to recognize a slump until you’re in it.

    But, I’d agree they need to see the warning signs quicker than they did the last time around.

  25. Lara08 July 1st, 2009 at 10:32 am

    A-Rod has had like 4 days off in 12 days. The rule doesn’t mean he gets an additional day off if the Yankees already have a day off that week.

  26. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 10:35 am

    “Kind of tough to recognize a slump until you’re in it.”

    My point really is that whether or not he’s playing well should not over-rule the fact that he’s coming back from surgery and needs fairly regular rest. A slump should not be what causes them to remember that. My thought is that if he gets the needed breaks than we can hopefully avoid the slump all-together.

  27. Brandon...Joba = Rick "The Vild Thing" Vaughn according to some here LOL July 1st, 2009 at 10:36 am

    “A-Rod has had like 4 days off in 12 days. The rule doesn’t mean he gets an additional day off if the Yankees already have a day off that week.”

    He needs his rest Lara, this isn’t something they can take lightly, I expect him to be rested every 5-6 days.

  28. Brandon...Joba = Rick "The Vild Thing" Vaughn according to some here LOL July 1st, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Hot streak or no hot streak.

  29. GreenBeret7 July 1st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    pat, while that may be true, Sherman isn’t exactly above stooping to the level of inventing quotes, either. Given the issues in Boston with Lowell, this would been called a great coup them. Sherman would have been all over Cashman for not being on top of another chance to strengthen the bench.

    I have as much use and belief in that Sherman as do the people of Georgia has use for another Sherman.

    Ever notice the close resemblance between Joel Sherman and Sherman, Mr. Peabody’s pet boy (Rocky and Bullwinkle)? Coincidense or seperated at birth?

  30. Patrick July 1st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Hinkse at third isn’t a bad idea. He is a solid lefty bat and while his defense isn’t the best, how much can he really hurt us playing one game a week at third?

    I see him as the first bat off the bench in pinch hit situations. Starting 1-2 games at third every week and starting 1-2 games in RF every week. Maybe he’ll get a bit more playing time if Swisher goes into a slump.

    He strengthens the bench but it’s not like he’ll have a huge effect on the team.

  31. Lara08 July 1st, 2009 at 10:38 am

    I didn’t say he didn’t need rest Brandon. If he gets one this series or in Minnesota then I think that’s fine. Folks are acting like he’s already overdue for a day off.

  32. murphydog July 1st, 2009 at 10:42 am

    “Yet he’s started only 11 games at 3B since. I’m guessing someone, or several someones given his travels, thought 2004 may have been the exception rather than the rule.”

    Believe me, I’m not pimping Hinske for any starting position let alone asking him to play a lot of 3d base. But he was pushed out of third by other acquisitions while he was in Toronto, then he went to Boston in 2006 where they had Youk and Lowell and he was in Tampa in 2008 with Longoria. He may not be a great thirdbaseman, but he may not be a complete butcher either.

  33. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 10:43 am

    question…I remember prior to the season discussing whether or not a player could fill in at 3rd (can’t remember who at this time) but the idea was shot because he was a lefty…isn’t Hinske a lefty and doesn’t that typically make 3rd a little more difficult?

  34. PittsburghYankeeFan July 1st, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Joel Sherman = moron. How many times must that be said for it to stick?

    Take a look at a year of his archived columns about the Yankees (if you can stand it), and you will see what I mean.

    Cody Ransom plays third too, doesn’t he? This is not the most earth shattering, important decision the Yankees need to make right now, by the way.

    That decision has something to do with an underperforming pitcher from Taiwan…

  35. Vince July 1st, 2009 at 10:44 am

    It’s like pulling teeth to get A-Rod out of the lineup but he might subject to being a DH for a game if Hinske is penciled in at 3rd base.
    Sooner or later Girardi has to see how Hinske will fit and in what roles.

  36. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 10:44 am

    Hokie:

    Hinske throws right/bats left.

  37. Christina July 1st, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Murphy- There are so many factors that come into play as far as the type of defensive player a guy is. I think you could gauge more about his defensive skills by watching him play, rather than by merely looking at his stats.

  38. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Lara, personally I feel like I can already see the wheels turning for Girardi, wondering really just how much rest ARod needs and I think it’s because he’s playing the field and batting extremely well which may lead one to think he’s feeling just fine, but regardless he needs the rest.

  39. Bronx Jeers July 1st, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Give Alex Saturday off.

    Halladay vs Wang?

    Could be ugly.

    And Halladay lost his last start which means he’ll probably be angry and win 7 straight.

  40. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 10:46 am

    thanks Steve B, answers that question

  41. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 1st, 2009 at 10:47 am

    Am I early with this? Late with this? Not spending much time here so have no idea if this was posted. Just a bit of speculation I guess.

    If this turns out be be actual, then what was described as the greatest choke in Yankee history (2004) may be nothing more than a juiced up story…

    Got this off the other forum where I spend my time.

    http://rotoinfo.com/read_article.php?articleId=318

  42. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Bronx…if we can agree that ARod is better defensively than Hinske/Ransom than I would say play ARod for the ground-ball pitcher (Wang) and sit him when some one else is pitching

  43. GreenBeret7 July 1st, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Hinske was Toronto’s third baseman until Delgado signed with Florida and Corey Koske was brought in and Hinske moved to 1st base. Koske stayed injured and flopped and Toronto brought in Glaus and then stole Overbay from Milwaukee for next to nothing.

  44. Patrick from CT July 1st, 2009 at 10:49 am

    ARod should play no more than 5 out of 7 games in the field and DH once per 7.
    Hinske is not going to sart more than 1 out of 10 games at third, Ransom will get a few starts too.
    Hinske was a cheep replacement for Nady on the roster; he’s the 5th outfielder and backup to 1b and 3b, the 24th or 25th guy. The fact he can play 3rd in a pinch is a good selling point; he won’t start more the 2 of 10 games.
    If he or Ranson sink too bad, they will be gone and Pena back.
    No big deal realy…
    Pena will be back September 1st the latest.

  45. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 10:49 am

    trisha, it’s yet to be really acknowledged by any reputable media outlets which leads me to believe it is not legit…some one said yesterday that Pete said it was a fake as well…

  46. rodg12 July 1st, 2009 at 10:50 am

    ARod had a day off Monday. What’s with all this yapping about getting him rest soon? A day off next week? Sure. Maybe a DH day this weekend. But a day off tonight? No way.

  47. Wave Your Hat July 1st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    “Hinkse at third isn’t a bad idea. He is a solid lefty bat and while his defense isn’t the best, how much can he really hurt us playing one game a week at third?”

    I’m sure the main reason the Yanks got Hinske instead of someone else, was because Hinske could spell ARod at third occasionally. But, a key error can hurt – remember Berroa at third? I’m prepared for it, but I suspect a lot of people who comment on this blog are going to be pretty down on Hinske when it happens. I’ve seen the game threads.

    If the Yanks play him at third, they ought to do it when CC or AJ is pitching – they don’t give up that many ground balls.

    I sure wouldn’t play Hinske once or twice a week in RF. That would be a net loss for us. Just use him to rest Swisher occasionally, or a day off if he is slumping – nothing more. Maybe an occasional day at first and let Tex DH.

  48. Pauly July 1st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    So was it ever determined if the whole “wang to the phillies” rumor had any merit? If so, who were the Yanks supposed to get in return?

    Also I don’t know if anyone else noticed this, but Hughes is pitching out of the pen like a young Joe Nathan. Same fastball, better curve, similar delivery, etc. It’s nice to see that he may have some utility in case starting doesn’t work out for him.

  49. Brandon...Joba = Rick "The Vild Thing" Vaughn according to some here LOL July 1st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    “ARod had a day off Monday. What’s with all this yapping about getting him rest soon? A day off next week? Sure. Maybe a DH day this weekend. But a day off tonight? No way.”

    No one is saying rest him tonight. Just be aware every 5-6 days he needs it.

    so far

    A rested Al = Brooks Robinson Rodriguez at 3B + Alex Rodriguez RCF beast

    An unrested Al = Alex Betemit at 3B + David Eckstein w/ he bat.

  50. Rayvt July 1st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Playing 3B effectively takes a lot of practice and confidence. Hinske played 3B well for Toronto years ago, but he hasn’t been needed for that really since. He is a hitter foremost, so teams have used him as a corner outfielder mostly. He has a good arm and he has made some great plays in the outfield in years past with Boston & Tampa. He may make mistakes in the field from being rusty. He may even have a horrible game sometime as can happen with any infielder. But his bat will help offset any fielding dilema I believe. I like the acquisition. He will spell ARod some at 3B. Not many alternatives that could come so cheaply for the potential gain and he is a professional hitter.

  51. Richie July 1st, 2009 at 10:57 am

    I don’t mind if they play him at 3B once or twice, but if he proves that he is as bad as UZR says he is, the Yankees better not pretend otherwise.

    The only problem with the trade is that they really need a RH bat.

  52. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 10:57 am

    “A rested Al = Brooks Robinson”

    No he isn’t.

  53. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 10:59 am

    RayVT, the really scary thing as some one mentioned yesterday, will be the aftermath here after even just one error at 3rd or any position for that matter…the no-brainer of a trade was being slammed by many yesterday and I’m sure they and some of the gameday trolls can’t wait to shout about his poor defense at the first sign…

  54. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 11:00 am

    after all, this is the Yankees and we should have all-star calliber bench players!

  55. Tucker July 1st, 2009 at 11:00 am

    So who backs up Jeter and Cano (if he ever gets a day off)? Not sure I like Cody Ransom in the role of super-sub. Would rather see Pena on the roster, particularly if Hinske cannot play third.

  56. m July 1st, 2009 at 11:01 am

    Good morning, everyone.

    You would think that Ransom would get the nod *when* Alex gets his next day off.

    Anyone know what Hinske’s (who reminds me of Kevin James) best position is?

    From the last thread. I don’t see a problem with voting for Tex. In general, I vote for Yankee players. I don’t vote for those who are injured and have no chance of playing.

    But I’d rather leave it blank than vote for a Red Sock.

    And voting for Tex is not like voting for Giambi at the same position.

    Gold glove defense, big bat, more ribbies, more homeruns. RBI is a help the team stat. You could have an average of .300, but if you can’t drive guys in (RBI) it doesn’t mean much. Not saying Youk doesn’t drive them in b/c we all know he does. Just saying that batting average is not the end all, be all stat.

  57. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 11:02 am

    “Would rather see Pena on the roster, particularly if Hinske cannot play third.”

    He can play 3rd well enough to spot start. We’re talking a handful of games.

  58. Brandon...Joba = Rick "The Vild Thing" Vaughn according to some here LOL July 1st, 2009 at 11:05 am

    ““A rested Al = Brooks Robinson”

    No he isn’t.”

    YES HE WAS. Didn’t you see the freaking highlight reel show he put on at 3B for the last what 4-5 games.

  59. Chris July 1st, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Not a bad move by Cashman at least for the time being. Hinske is serviceable until a better situation comes along. Cashman won’t be held hostage for top Yankee prospects by Oakland’s Billy Beane to part with Matt Holliday.
    Hinske has seen a lot of the AL East which helps him.

  60. jennifer July 1st, 2009 at 11:08 am

    my money is on that quote being from the red soxs gm.

  61. pat July 1st, 2009 at 11:08 am

    I propose Hinske moves in with Alex. It seems to have worked wonders for Nick Green. :wink:

  62. PittsburghYankeeFan July 1st, 2009 at 11:13 am

    I just saw the roster of 2003 steroid users, and all I can say is wow…

    Looking at it, a lot of things that have happened to these players can be explained

    Now, Pete et al–leave the Yankees alone on this issue. It appears that they are in the minority on this one.

    Pedro, Nomar, Manny, Ortiz, Nixon, Lowe, Damon…was there anyone on the team who was not on the list?

    No wonder George Mitchell was trying so hard to deflect attention to Clemens…

    All I can say is wow…there are bigger issues that the baseball establishment and media are going to have to answer to in their trying to pin this all on the Yankees over the past few years.

  63. m July 1st, 2009 at 11:14 am

    I’m still in shock over the O’s improbable win. Coming back from 10-1 is not impossible. But if you look at the line score, it’s stunning. 5 runs each in the 7th & 8th innings. Off the vaunted Boston bullpen. And Papelbon failed as the last line of defense.

  64. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 11:14 am

    “YES HE WAS. Didn’t you see the freaking highlight reel show he put on at 3B for the last what 4-5 games.”

    On his greatest day, he’s not close to what Robinson was as a 3B. I saw Robinson play 40-50 times live. It’s no contest. Arod is a fine 3B. Robinson was the best of last 50 years, IMO.

  65. miggs July 1st, 2009 at 11:17 am

    Just read through some of the earlier comments today. I’d like to add a little to the Joba conversation.

    I actually do have a problem with his postgame interviews. People may say who cares, its his performance on the field that counts. Well that’s true, but what he says off the field tells a lot.

    It pisses me off to hear him start every postgame interview where he pitches ok to bad with this great nugget: ” You have to remember, this is my first year doing this.” Are you kidding? You’ve been pitching your whole life. Through college, the minors, and now the big leagues since 2007. OK so he was a reliever for awhile in 2007.

    Big deal. He was a starter last year and a starter this year. The way he talks, you would think he played the outfield his whole life and was converted to a pitcher this year. Its a ridiculous comment and a lame excuse.

    Why don’t you go after hitters? Why do you seem to have this blaise attitude on the mound? Why do you feel (by your answers) that your performance is good enough?

    This guy is held to a higher standard because he has gifts few pitchers have. He has 4 plus pitches. He throws gas when his mechanics are correct. I understand he’s young and he’s learning. But that’s no reason to act the way he does. Frankly, I believe he thinks he’s better than he really is. Maybe he was that good in 2007, but not now.

    Remember back in the winter of 2008 when Joba rejected his contract offer and the team had to renew it. IMO the money is more important to him than the success of the team. He’s so focused on staying a starter so he can get that big payday that his performance is suffering. Its obvious he’s not giving max effort, whether he’s worried about getting hurt or not.

    He’s talented enough to have success gliding through his starts, but the electricity and dominance are non-existent. He’s just trying to prove he can make it through the season and be a starter. IMO he’s not pushing himself like he can.

    This opinion will probably be very unpopular on this board but that’s the way I feel.

  66. Jay Hirsch July 1st, 2009 at 11:19 am

    We’re talking once a week. We live with Damon in left field everyday.

  67. m July 1st, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Yuck. Roger Federer sure loves talking about himself.

  68. Jerkface July 1st, 2009 at 11:21 am

    That steroid list isn’t real, and I am constantly surprised by the number of people coming in here like ‘duhhh did this potentially huge piece of news get posted yet?’

  69. Rayvt July 1st, 2009 at 11:21 am

    Hokiehill

    LOL! True! The Yankee fans still diss Jeter, ARod & Cano for fielding issues. So why wouldn’t they complain about Hinske too. I don’t care about the meltdowns on the boards. LOL! I care about the Yankees winning. Personally I think Ransom will do well too. He can hit and plays an effective defense at 2B, SS & 3B. He isn’t a starter type, but he is better than he has played this year. So I expect Hinske to play 3B about once a week with Ransom spelling him for defense occassionally.

    Hinske is a classic hitter type whose strengths will be magnified at Yankee Stadium since he bats lefthanded. I like this move. I still expect another bat to come to Yankeeland. Although I was expecting Jermaine Dye and still am, Hinske helps.

    Just a thought here, when the Yankees make it to the playoffs there isn’t the need for as many pitchers so carrying one more bat is needed. So if they can acquire a bat before Sept 1 when the rosters expand this would be ideal. Dye reminds me of the type of hitter the Yanks have brought in before. (Straw, Fielder, Justice, Chili Davis)

  70. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 11:24 am

    ‘I’m still in shock over the O’s improbable win. Coming back from 10-1 is not impossible. But if you look at the line score, it’s stunning. 5 runs each in the 7th & 8th innings. Off the vaunted Boston bullpen. And Papelbon failed as the last line of defense.”

    Stunning. A good test for Francona. Does this fester and result in a loss today with a date with King Felix on deck for Friday and the potential start of a downward trend? Or do they rally up and win behind Beckett, enjoy a day off after a 6-3 road trip and head home for a fairly soft homestand (M’s, A’s and Royals) in a reasonably good frame of mind?

  71. Brandon...Joba = Rick "The Vild Thing" Vaughn according to some here LOL July 1st, 2009 at 11:25 am

    “On his greatest day, he’s not close to what Robinson was as a 3B. I saw Robinson play 40-50 times live. It’s no contest. Arod is a fine 3B. Robinson was the best of last 50 years, IMO.”

    Oh com’on I didn’t mean it in a exactly like him term. It’s like when people compared Joba to Mo :lol:

  72. gayle July 1st, 2009 at 11:25 am

    Totally psyched those of us going on Sunday to the Scranton game get to see Ivan Nova pitch and even better we miss Igawa who pitches on Saturday, Saw enough of him in NY didnt need to drive to Scranton to see him again.

  73. Brandon...Joba = Rick "The Vild Thing" Vaughn according to some here LOL July 1st, 2009 at 11:27 am

    gayle we could record Kei Igawa’s next start for you. :D

  74. PittsburghYankeeFan July 1st, 2009 at 11:30 am

    Jerkface (or shall I call you Jerky for short?)

    The list is on rotoworld, stated unconfirmed. How do we know it is not true?

    Looking at the players on it, and what has happened to most of them since the steroid policy was strengthened, seems pretty decent evidence to me that there are some nuggets of truth to it.

    You mean we should actually wait for confirmation? From whom? And give the benefit of the doubt to these guys, unlike ARod, Giambi, Clemens, Pettitte?

    The Sox deserve the same treatment, don’t they? Or is there a double standard here?

    That is the real issue, isn’t it?

  75. Hokiehill July 1st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    miggs, IMO Joba doesn’t interview well and while people have questioned his work ethic, I think he wants to win because he likes to compete and is not the type that likes to lose. I personally dont buy that he is just trying to show he can be a starter and get a big paycheck. Any pro athlete who tells you the money isn’t important is either lying or already has enough money where a million here or there really isn’t important, but I personally just view Joba as a real deal competitor (who just needs a kick in the head now and then)

  76. raymagnetic July 1st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    “Said one exec to Joel Sherman for his blog:: “If the Yanks think he can play third base one time a week for A-Rod, they are crazy. He stinks there.”

    I’m sorry but playing him once a week at third isn’t going to kill them and they aren’t crazy for thinking he can play the position once a week.

    Funny how nobody said the Rays were crazy for putting him at third 8 times last year.

  77. Jerkface July 1st, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Dude, look at that list. There is no way that is the real list. Almost zero marginal players. Its like an excited yankee fan wrote that list, its too good to be true.

    Its like every player who you ever wished did steroids is on that list, prominent current cubs and red sox, past red sox, dudes who were the best in that time period.

    its an unconfirmed list on ROTO INFO.

    Its not been verified at all, and working in law I’ve heard about the list and its not that exciting. A lot of journeymen.

  78. Steve B July 1st, 2009 at 11:34 am

    “That is the real issue, isn’t it?”

    It’s an issue, especially among the paranoid schizophrenic of us, but it’s not THE issue.

  79. Rishi July 1st, 2009 at 11:34 am

    :arrow:

  80. 86w183 July 1st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Hinske was a pretty good 3B in 2004 and moved to 1B after the Blue Jays lost Carlos Delgado. the last three years he’s been on teams with Troy Glaus, Mike Lowell and Evan Longoria so why would he play 3B. People calling him a terrible 3B are simply making it up.

    jerkface — No one on this board knows how accurate the steroid list is including you. There’s nothing wrong with considering it.

    Rayvt — I agree about the 12th pitcher and owuld like to see them go to 11 pitchers now. The 12th man on the staff — Brett Tomko has pitched seven times for 12 innings in the last 32 games. I think Berroa got in more innings than that!

  81. yankee21 July 1st, 2009 at 11:48 am

    miggs

    I was at the game last night and frankly, Joba was a major disapointment. He just wasn’t attacking hitters, he was constantly going 3-2 and he let garbage hitters like Cedeno beat him. The crowd groaned after each 3-2 count and each walk, it was like taking medicine while he was on the mound.

    What has happened to this guy? One has to wonder, what has happened to his demeanor on the mound? Is it correlated to his loss in velocity? Is his loss in velocity correlated to his inconsistent mechanics? Who knows? But I put Eiland on notice here, he needs to find out what makes Joba tick and get him going. If Eiland can’t, then the Yankees need to find someone who can.

    By the way Morrow was much better than his stat numbers indicated, he had most of the Yankees off balance all night particularly Matsui and Swisher. He is impressive.

    Joba eventually will be allright. He is 23 and is learning the ropes of being a starter full time. And he is keeping the teams in all his games. The disapointment is there is no electricity to his starts, no mojo, no excitement, and one has to wonder will he ever regain this.

  82. Jerkface July 1st, 2009 at 11:55 am

    I think there is absolutely something wrong with considering a list without confirmation, for example, I just got this out of the trash, its the bottom 11 players on the list:

    94. Albert Pujols
    95. Ken Griffey Jr
    96. Mariano Rivera
    97. Derek Jeter
    98. Bernie Williams
    99. Paul O’Neil
    100. Tino Martinez
    101. Pedro Martinez
    102. Randy Johnson
    103. Greg Maddux
    104. Alex Rodriguez (Gasp!)

    Unconfirmed, but it must be considered.

  83. PruBelongs July 1st, 2009 at 2:56 pm

    Pete, you lose credibility when you refer to anything written by that Yankee-hater Joel She-man.

  84. PruBelongs July 1st, 2009 at 2:58 pm

    sorry that’s Sherman, that “r” and “-” are too close together on the keyboard.

  85. KO July 1st, 2009 at 3:44 pm

    This is a reason why getting Hinkse was lame and probably not even close to necessary…. We have enough guys on the friggin roster that can hit…. Ransom plays above average defense most of the time and he’s athletic and fast… I’d rather have him at 3rd big time

  86. G July 1st, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    Enough of this, they dont need Hinske to win the Gold Glove. They got him for his bat. Not the defense. Its just once a week, no big deal.

  87. G July 1st, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    KO,

    Ransom is at best a .222 hitter. His 4 homers with the Yankees were a fluke last year. He average .220/ 1 hr/ 8RBIs. Hinske hit 20 homers last year, (Im pretty sure the Yankees need power off the bench) Hes speant his whole career in the AL East and he averages .250 a year and hell easily hit 8-10 hrs this year off the bench. Hes solid.

  88. teddy July 1st, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    tex can’t make that play now is a time game

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