Comments on: Pleading the fifth with Cano http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/ A New York Yankees blog by Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:08:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: baseball'sthegame http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-884728 baseball'sthegame Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:10:32 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-884728 Batting order: Gardner Jeter Tex Rodriguez Damon Posada Matsui/Swisher DH depending upon right or left starting pitcher Cano Cabrera Better defense, speed on the bases, etc. Batting order:
Gardner
Jeter
Tex
Rodriguez
Damon
Posada
Matsui/Swisher DH depending upon right or left starting pitcher
Cano
Cabrera
Better defense, speed on the bases, etc.

]]> By: brent http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883876 brent Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:34:48 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883876 RS 6 bAL 5 TOP OF THE 11TH,this is why Bal is 12 games behind in the division,they self destruct. RS 6 bAL 5 TOP OF THE 11TH,this is why Bal is 12 games behind in the division,they self destruct.

]]> By: Jerkface http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883863 Jerkface Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:33:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883863 Well thats what prompted this whole thing! SJ44's reasoning that Swisher is a bad player = Kenny Williams traded him for Wilson betemit Thats not a smart trade! You just got offended about me tossin around idiot. Well thats what prompted this whole thing! SJ44′s reasoning that Swisher is a bad player = Kenny Williams traded him for Wilson betemit

Thats not a smart trade!

You just got offended about me tossin around idiot.

]]> By: CB http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883847 CB Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:30:04 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883847 "Actually that did occur to me, but it being a salary dump proves my point. Good players get traded for bad ones in salary dumps." I have no idea what you're talking about. That wasn't the point made in our conversation at all. If you have an issue with something SJ said take it up with him. “Actually that did occur to me, but it being a salary dump proves my point. Good players get traded for bad ones in salary dumps.”

I have no idea what you’re talking about. That wasn’t the point made in our conversation at all. If you have an issue with something SJ said take it up with him.

]]> By: brent http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883841 brent Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:29:07 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883841 Top of the 11th,some mgrs leave pitchers in too long,sound familiar? He waited until the RS came within 2,bases loaded to finally act. Top of the 11th,some mgrs leave pitchers in too long,sound familiar? He waited until the RS came within 2,bases loaded to finally act.

]]> By: Jerkface http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883837 Jerkface Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:27:43 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883837 Actually that did occur to me, but it being a salary dump proves my point. Good players get traded for bad ones in salary dumps. My point is that swisher is a nice, valuable player. And sometimes those guys get traded for crap. SJ44's argument is that Swisher was traded because he sucks. And I did forget that Quentin trade. That was a good trade, I loved Quentin. On the other hand, Kenny Williams traded El Caballo for Scott Podsednik and Luis Vizcaino. I don't think Williams is a particularly good GM, but as a person he might not be an idiot. Lets leave it at that. Its easy to throw insults like that around when we place different values on the meaning (I don't think its a strong insult). And I think you can definitely argue the 'process' williams has used in recent times, which hasnt exactly worked out. Actually that did occur to me, but it being a salary dump proves my point. Good players get traded for bad ones in salary dumps.

My point is that swisher is a nice, valuable player. And sometimes those guys get traded for crap. SJ44′s argument is that Swisher was traded because he sucks.

And I did forget that Quentin trade. That was a good trade, I loved Quentin.

On the other hand, Kenny Williams traded El Caballo for Scott Podsednik and Luis Vizcaino.

I don’t think Williams is a particularly good GM, but as a person he might not be an idiot. Lets leave it at that. Its easy to throw insults like that around when we place different values on the meaning (I don’t think its a strong insult).

And I think you can definitely argue the ‘process’ williams has used in recent times, which hasnt exactly worked out.

]]> By: CB http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883801 CB Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:15:49 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883801 "i shouldn’t call him an idiot because I also don’t know what he was thinking, " No you didn't but you called him an idiot anyway. The Swisher deal was a bad one - unless of course Williams did it as a pure salary dump which it probably was. But i guess that didn't occur to you when you called him an idiot. And how about that Carlos Quentin deal? Or let me guess - that was luck also right? Bad process good outcome - right? Something like that. It's great to keep harping on the Swisher trade while conveniently forgetting say the Quentin deal. “i shouldn’t call him an idiot because I also don’t know what he was thinking, ”

No you didn’t but you called him an idiot anyway.

The Swisher deal was a bad one – unless of course Williams did it as a pure salary dump which it probably was. But i guess that didn’t occur to you when you called him an idiot.

And how about that Carlos Quentin deal? Or let me guess – that was luck also right? Bad process good outcome – right? Something like that.

It’s great to keep harping on the Swisher trade while conveniently forgetting say the Quentin deal.

]]> By: Jerkface http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883785 Jerkface Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:11:31 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883785 Using a trade against Swisher is terrible. you don't know what Kenny Williams was thinking in that trade. i shouldn't call him an idiot because I also don't know what he was thinking, but its not a good trade, he got fleeced! And he hasn't won the world series or gotten close since 2005 or before 2005 so I'm not sure what was so smart about his white sox teams. I will pat him on the back for assembling 5 starters who all managed to stay healthy all at once for 1 season while all posting career numbers, which they never came close to again. But I am not going to say he foresaw that. Using a trade against Swisher is terrible. you don’t know what Kenny Williams was thinking in that trade. i shouldn’t call him an idiot because I also don’t know what he was thinking, but its not a good trade, he got fleeced!

And he hasn’t won the world series or gotten close since 2005 or before 2005 so I’m not sure what was so smart about his white sox teams.

I will pat him on the back for assembling 5 starters who all managed to stay healthy all at once for 1 season while all posting career numbers, which they never came close to again. But I am not going to say he foresaw that.

]]> By: CB http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883772 CB Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:08:21 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883772 "One of these is not like the other" Do you seriously think citing John Garland's 2005 season or the Sox starting staff era progressions is some kind of profound statement? Do you think I'm not familiar with that data? That's one the most widely discussed and beaten to death subjects in sabermetrics. And one of the ones people most often use to prove how smart they are and how dumb others are - especially kenny williams. It's amazing how simplistic statistics in baseball are compared to other fields and how overblown people make them out to be. “One of these is not like the other”

Do you seriously think citing John Garland’s 2005 season or the Sox starting staff era progressions is some kind of profound statement?

Do you think I’m not familiar with that data? That’s one the most widely discussed and beaten to death subjects in sabermetrics.

And one of the ones people most often use to prove how smart they are and how dumb others are – especially kenny williams.

It’s amazing how simplistic statistics in baseball are compared to other fields and how overblown people make them out to be.

]]> By: RS http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/pleading-the-fifth-with-cano/comment-page-7/#comment-883765 RS Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:07:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13867#comment-883765 Thankfully the little elf ends the inning. If the O's can win a walkoff that would acually make this loss more painful for the Red Sox. Thankfully the little elf ends the inning. If the O’s can win a walkoff that would acually make this loss more painful for the Red Sox.

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