Comments on: Today’s meet and greet: Phil, Joba and Aceves http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/ A New York Yankees blog by Sam Borden, Chad Jennings and the staff of The Journal News Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:59:29 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: dont-forget-where-you-came-from-cheese mac http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-3/#comment-883338 dont-forget-where-you-came-from-cheese mac Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:02:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883338 "That the mainstream media has passed on this should tell you a little something, no?" Oh, yes, Pete. The mainstream media ignoring steroid information tells me a whole lot. Thank you for keeping me informed of what I should pay attention to. Now if you'll excuse me, Cubs-Cards is on and I think Sosa and McGuire might both hit homeruns today! “That the mainstream media has passed on this should tell you a little something, no?”

Oh, yes, Pete. The mainstream media ignoring steroid information tells me a whole lot. Thank you for keeping me informed of what I should pay attention to.

Now if you’ll excuse me, Cubs-Cards is on and I think Sosa and McGuire might both hit homeruns today!

]]> By: 86w183 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-3/#comment-883312 86w183 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:51:44 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883312 PAtrick --- I'm sorry drunk driving and killing someone while driving druink are not the same mistake. That's like saying armed robbery and carrying an illegal firearm are the same "mistake". Some people -- and I'm sure I'm one of them -- are damn lucky they never did property or bodily damage because they drove when they shouldn't have. However having the potential to commit a crime is not the same thing as actually doing it. I think fair minded Hall voters will not treat power stats the same way and will insist that anyone getting their vote were great all around players. Palmeiro, for example was Mark Grace before he apparently started taking... so despite his numbers he would not get my vote... neither would McGuire. Sheefield probably not, but Sammy probably would because he has stolen base totals and in his time was a decent enough outfielder. Alex, Clemens and Bonds absolutely. PAtrick — I’m sorry drunk driving and killing someone while driving druink are not the same mistake. That’s like saying armed robbery and carrying an illegal firearm are the same “mistake”.

Some people — and I’m sure I’m one of them — are damn lucky they never did property or bodily damage because they drove when they shouldn’t have. However having the potential to commit a crime is not the same thing as actually doing it.

I think fair minded Hall voters will not treat power stats the same way and will insist that anyone getting their vote were great all around players. Palmeiro, for example was Mark Grace before he apparently started taking… so despite his numbers he would not get my vote… neither would McGuire. Sheefield probably not, but Sammy probably would because he has stolen base totals and in his time was a decent enough outfielder. Alex, Clemens and Bonds absolutely.

]]> By: Andrew http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-3/#comment-883293 Andrew Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:41:10 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883293 Yankees fans will never ever learn patience. There will be another Phil Hughes equivalent in the near future in terms of a talented youngster coming up and struggling amidst a lot of hype, and the fans will turn on him just as everyone ripped Hughes for having mediocre stuff and not being cut out for the big leagues. The difference is the Yankees are sticking with their youngsters in spite of obnoxious cries from shortsighted fans. Yankees fans will never ever learn patience. There will be another Phil Hughes equivalent in the near future in terms of a talented youngster coming up and struggling amidst a lot of hype, and the fans will turn on him just as everyone ripped Hughes for having mediocre stuff and not being cut out for the big leagues. The difference is the Yankees are sticking with their youngsters in spite of obnoxious cries from shortsighted fans.

]]> By: Patrick http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-2/#comment-883291 Patrick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:41:02 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883291 HokieHill I agree. HOF should be decided by comparing a player's stats to the stats of other players in that era. Sure, Sammy Sosa did steroids but he also hit 600 freaking homeruns. That's absurdly good no matter what he put in his body. First ballot HoF IMO. Same goes for Manny, A-rod, Clemens, etc HokieHill I agree.

HOF should be decided by comparing a player’s stats to the stats of other players in that era. Sure, Sammy Sosa did steroids but he also hit 600 freaking homeruns. That’s absurdly good no matter what he put in his body. First ballot HoF IMO.

Same goes for Manny, A-rod, Clemens, etc

]]> By: Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-2/#comment-883284 Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:35:38 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883284 miggs-Nah, I disagree. Joba is doing what he thinks is the best he can. Can he do better? Yes, he's proven that. Is he not trying to do better? I think so. miggs-Nah, I disagree.

Joba is doing what he thinks is the best he can. Can he do better? Yes, he’s proven that. Is he not trying to do better? I think so.

]]> By: Patrick http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-2/#comment-883283 Patrick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:35:27 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883283 "No question drunk drivers are a far greater threat to society than PEDs, but I also see LaRussa and Joba a whole lot differently than I view Stallworth and Leyritz among others. " Good post but I'm not too sure I agree with this distinction. The only difference between Joba/LaRussa and Stallworth/Leyritz is that Stallworth/Leyritz had the bad luck of actually hitting someone. All 4 guys made the same mistake. “No question drunk drivers are a far greater threat to society than PEDs, but I also see LaRussa and Joba a whole lot differently than I view Stallworth and Leyritz among others. ”

Good post but I’m not too sure I agree with this distinction. The only difference between Joba/LaRussa and Stallworth/Leyritz is that Stallworth/Leyritz had the bad luck of actually hitting someone. All 4 guys made the same mistake.

]]> By: Hokiehill http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-2/#comment-883280 Hokiehill Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:34:40 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883280 what gets me with the steroid uproar is the lack of perspective in relation to the fact that baseball players have been taking drugs like amphetamines for a long time with no one seeming to care at all...this goes into the debate over what to do with players that used PEDS and the hall of fame. I personally think that if you are going to keep them out, then you need to throw out any player who's been suspected of or known to use amphetamines in their career, throw out any player ever caught with a corked bat, using vaseline, spit balls, etc...any player that was ever caught or suspected of "cheating" in any form should be removed and banned. Since that's not going to happen the HOF voters need to just get off their high horse and let in deserving players based on statistics/performance alone. what gets me with the steroid uproar is the lack of perspective in relation to the fact that baseball players have been taking drugs like amphetamines for a long time with no one seeming to care at all…this goes into the debate over what to do with players that used PEDS and the hall of fame. I personally think that if you are going to keep them out, then you need to throw out any player who’s been suspected of or known to use amphetamines in their career, throw out any player ever caught with a corked bat, using vaseline, spit balls, etc…any player that was ever caught or suspected of “cheating” in any form should be removed and banned. Since that’s not going to happen the HOF voters need to just get off their high horse and let in deserving players based on statistics/performance alone.

]]> By: 86w183 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-2/#comment-883279 86w183 Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:33:42 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883279 I think Joba's mechanics are just fine. I believe he is pacing himself and not throwing the fastball often enough and those are two things that guarantee a loss of velocity. I'd love to see him pound the strike zone with 60-70 percent heaters for his next start and see what happens. I think Joba’s mechanics are just fine. I believe he is pacing himself and not throwing the fastball often enough and those are two things that guarantee a loss of velocity.

I’d love to see him pound the strike zone with 60-70 percent heaters for his next start and see what happens.

]]> By: miggs http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-2/#comment-883278 miggs Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:33:33 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883278 Just to clairify...I didn't mean to say Joba wasn't trying. I meant he isn't pushing himself like he can. He doesn't seem to reach back for the extra few MPH to put a guy away. He nibbles, tries to get guys to chase. Just challenge these hitters, that's all I'm asking. It seems like he's just trying to skate by, and he's talented enough to do that. But he could be great. Electric. Dominating. That's the issue IMO. Just to clairify…I didn’t mean to say Joba wasn’t trying.

I meant he isn’t pushing himself like he can. He doesn’t seem to reach back for the extra few MPH to put a guy away. He nibbles, tries to get guys to chase. Just challenge these hitters, that’s all I’m asking.

It seems like he’s just trying to skate by, and he’s talented enough to do that.

But he could be great. Electric. Dominating. That’s the issue IMO.

]]> By: Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/01/todays-meet-and-greet-phil-joba-and-aceves/comment-page-2/#comment-883274 Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:30:34 +0000 http://yankees.lhblogs.com/?p=13861#comment-883274 Hokiehill-Agreed. Hokiehill-Agreed.

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