A bad night for CC, Yankees
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That didn’t take long. Before I had left the clubhouse, this e-mail arrived about CC Sabathia:
Giving up 6 runs and leaving with the bases loaded in the 6th inning to a horrible hitting team in Seattle is pretty lame. He’s not a bust (yet) but he doesn’t exactly inspire confidence that he will shut down the opposition, either.
Really?
Sabathia was 6-1, 2.82 in his previous 10 starts. What else would you like him to do, juggle flaming torches and chainsaws between batters?
CC is 7-5 with a 3.85 ERA. The Yankees are 8-9 in the games he has started. But in four of those games they scored four or less runs for him. He got hurt in another.
I’ll still take him on my side seven days a week.
Oh, and the Mariners came to New York having won eight of their previous nine series. The other team does try on occasion.
The Yankees are on a pace to go roughly 94-68 and that’s after all the injuries that limited them in April in May. Factor that in and they’re probably a 96-66, maybe 97-65. That’ll get them to October.
Here is CC Sabathia, explaining his night:
Oh, and Posada is iffy for tomorrow. He did not pinch hit in the seventh inning as he was not sure he could catch because of a bruised left thumb suffered yesterday when he got hit with a foul tip.
Thanks to everybody for reading tonight. Back it tomorrow morning for the day game.
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It’s all because Posada wasn’t catching. The pitchers just don’t work well with Cirvelli.
lol.
Erica – newly OPPC July 2nd, 2009 at 11:45 pm
It wasn’t that he couldn’t play the field. He was just very very very afraid of walls. Almost like he was traumatized by a big scary wall as a little boy.
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That fear of the wall morphed him into becoming one of those three or four worst outfielders in baseball.
Having that fear of the wall is one thing if you’re playing in a huge ballpark because not nearly as many balls are hit that far.
But when you’re playing half your games at the Stadium with a short porch – that fear becomes much more glaring because there are a lot more opportunities to collide with the wall.
it really is a shame what happens to this place when the yanks arent up by 10 runs or have just won a game…yea CC was bad today but every pitcher has a bad game once in a while…to say the offense let the pitching down today is a total joke…cant score 9 every day…go get em tomorrow and start another winning streak!
From the other thread -
Pepitone
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Miggs -
Pepitone I think I remember Patrick saying he was around Joba’s age yesterday on the blog. FYI.
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I’m not the least bit surprised, Miggs.
By the way, Wave is right, it’s beating a dead horse now, I made my point and I’ll leave it at that. But, when someone comes after me like that kid did, I will call him on it, as I’m sure you would too.
Anyhow, on to bigger and better things for the Yanks! Let’s take 3 of 4 from the Jays.
Boy, Pete gets the best e-mails. CC just had a bad game, like the rest of the team. They have AJ going tomorrow – hopefully he will continue to pitch well and give the team a chance to win.
It’s not easy to sweep a team. And the important thing is that we won the series.
But we were pretty close to being one game back of Boston. If Jim Johnson could only do to the Red Sox what he did to the Yankees. And you know, if we didn’t give up 8 runs.
Hoping that AJ can be the stopper. Losing streaks are not acceptable. Even if it’s only one game.
Carrying the trivia question from the last thread (no cheating please). Whose bat did Mickey Mantle use to hit his home run in Don Larsen’s perfect World Series game?
ha, complaining about Sabathia, that’s the least of our worries. Why don’t you look at the real problems right now? Wang and Joba.
I need to know the answer to the trivia question.
m- where are you??
I am sticking with Whitey Ford
No big deal. Go get ‘em tomorrow.
Sabathia is entitled to a stinker once in awhile. Happens to everyone. Shockingly, even the king of all aces, Josh Beckett.
It’s amazing how many whiners and complainers come to this place after the Yanks just had their seven-game win streak snapped.
Good grief. They didn’t just lose seven in a row. Have some freaking perspective.
Tonight was just one of those nights that happen in a 162 game season.
As long as CC’s poor location wasn’t a flare up of his tendinitis it’s fine. They won the series and you move on.
BTW CC is on pace to throw 240-250 innings this season. His ERA is an inadequate way to judge his overall value to the team because of the innings he throws.
For every marginal inning he throws he saves the team from having to use a bull pen pitcher for that inning.
The best way to evaluate CC is by the total runs saved he creates. Same thing for Halladay. You look at his ERA – as good as it is – it’s misleading. It underestimates his value.
Seattle is a good club that’s been playing good baseball. Ichiro and Branyan are having huge years and guitierrez is a terrific player.
Move on to Toronto and win the series.
The great thing about this rotation – the ace of the staff ha an off night – and tomorrow they have one of the game’s hottest pitchers going.
That’s quite a luxury.
CC will be fine. He’s the least of my worries.
This is a big series with Toronto, We can really turn the screws here by winning 3 out of 4. They’re already reeling. A split would be ok on the road, but at home your goal should be to win every series.
Also, don’t count that Wang/Halladay game as a loss just yet. Halladay is coming off an injury and Wang is VERY close to putting it all together on a 7 inning, one run performance.
I’ll be at various parties throughout the weekend but its nice they’re all day games. Should be able to see most of them.
Everyone have a good night.
From the other thread -
m
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Nope, keep trying. Apparently if you told the mick that you had a good bat, he’d try it.
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OK, m, now you’ve got my curiosity up!
How about, Don Larsen’s bat?
m has disappeared and will leave us all in suspense forever and ever (maybe I am being dramatic)
Come on M- at least tell us if we are wrong!!
“Hoping that AJ can be the stopper. Losing streaks are not acceptable. Even if it’s only one game”
what does that mean…yanks cant ever lose?
David July 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 pm
ha, complaining about Sabathia, that’s the least of our worries. Why don’t you look at the real problems right now? Wang and Joba.
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Joba’s not a problem either. The Yanks are 10-5 in games he’s started.
And Wang is turning the corner. Getting him right would make this team that much more dangerous.
cc didn’t pitched well, his defense didn’t help. tex was awful at first and melky should caught suzuki flyball.. this is why i said call up austin jackson, dfa tomko and put him cf. i know he wom’t hit as much as melky, but is about run prevention
Come on M- at least tell us if we are wrong!!
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Exactly, come on, m, the suspense is killing us!
We’ve got to know!
If we’re still wrong, give us a hint at least.
No one’s right. I’m waiting for the real old farts to chime in, before I give a clue.
GB7? Pat m?
CB, good point about CC saving the pen……….disappointing night, but these guys are just human. It really shouldn’t be that hard to remember that.
Here’s hoping that AJ just puts the screws to the Jays…..this is a big series. I would love for the Yankees to try and put as much distance as they can between the Jays and Rays and the other wild card contenders.
The one down point from this game – or actually last nights game – was Posada’s injury.
It wasn’t real assuring that he couldn’t pinch hit for cervelli earlier in the game. And he didn’t look that great in that last at bat.
Part of the reason why it’s so hard to be the kind of offensive force posada is. You’re always nicked up especially your hands.
Cervelli’s done a nice job but his at bats are starting to look bad. He’s getting overwhelmed at the plate and not doing much with the ball at all. Not hitting anything hard. It’s to be expected but given how far he came. May just be a cold streak but you can’t rule out that the league may have seen enough of him to figure some things out.
They need Posada to get healthy. But hand injuries are tough for a catcher.
Pete you are awesome. I love how you call out all of the Yankees fans who freak out on the smallest thing. I guess you all must be new and not around since 1996. I saw the hurt on CC’s face tonight during the postgame, he is su h a good guy.
OMG, Ralphie.
You really don’t know me. At all.
“Don’t make me root for Youkilis people!”
Erica,
your plea touched me deeply. No Yankee fan should have to endure that pain. I just did get my 25 votes in.
Hey guys, I’ll grab # 25 ( Pepitone ) and drag is kiester back to the dugout before he gets tossed….Come on Pepi, it’s over….Every team has an Ace on their staff, just like eveery team has an ”All-Star” on their team…The real issue is how they are really precieved by the players and the coaches, and not the media types….The Baltimore Orioles in 1971 had FOUR 20 game winners that season and yet lost to Pittsburg….How was their Ace, Jim Palmer..To beat the O’s you had to beat Palmer….Just like beating Whitey Ford, Sandy Koufax, Bob Gibson, Catfish Hunter and so on…..It’s a lose term now a days, driven by $$$$…I’m over it….
kozer
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 am
Pete you are awesome. I love how you call out all of the Yankees fans who freak out on the smallest thing. I guess you all must be new and not around since 1996. I saw the hurt on CC’s face tonight during the postgame, he is su h a good guy.
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Can you please avoid generalizations like that. Most of the people still sitting here are true fans who can spot a bad night from a quality pitcher.
Not everyone is bandwagon.
Jackson needs a full season of Triple-A at-bats.
He is not ready for prime time yet. It wouldn’t take long for major league pitchers to figure out that Jackson swings at a lot of bad pitches out of the zone.
Tarheelyank
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 am
“Don’t make me root for Youkilis people!”
Erica,
your plea touched me deeply. No Yankee fan should have to endure that pain. I just did get my 25 votes in.
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haha. Thank you. I am glad I could inspire at least one person.
Pat m,
We’re waiting for your answer to the trivia question.
I’m gonna have to venture a guess here and say Mantle used Jerry Coleman’s bat.
Johnny Kucks?? Funny name-
I looked up the 1956 roster for inspiration. Is that cheating??
Moose skowron’s bat
Erica,
Go ahead. Stop when you see a name that makes you think of mashed potatoes.
Got it!!!
Jerry Lumpe… hahahaha
i am not asking him to hit. i want a defensive cf. melky, like that guy is not a good defensive cf and brett a 4th outfielder. i like cameron, but the brew crew won’t trade him
Was that clue a reference to Jerry Lumpe
Jerry Lumpe in 1956 hit .258 with no homeruns and 4 RBIs. The Mick believed he could sniff out a good bat????
Mel,
I’ve got a whacky answer.
It’s a total shot in the dark but it’s a very good trick question if my answer is correct.
My answer: Whitey Ford’s bat
Okay, so much for that.
Hey guys, I’ll grab # 25 ( Pepitone ) and drag is kiester back to the dugout before he gets tossed….Come on Pepi, it’s over
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Pat, what in the world are you talking about? I ended this thing on the last thread.
The issue is closed, as far as I’m concerned.
By the way, if you take my hinie in the dugout, better hide the Gatorade Dispenser, I’m libel to send it to left center.
I’ll take Hank Bauer for $200, Alex.
Isn’t Lumpe the guy Casey Stengel once said that “he looks like the greatest hitter in the world until you put him in the lineup” or something along those lines?
teddy July 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 am
i am not asking him to hit. i want a defensive cf. melky, like that guy is not a good defensive cf and brett a 4th outfielder. i like cameron, but the brew crew won’t trade him
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The Yanks care more about his hitting right now and continuing to learn the strike zone.
He’s not getting promoted until September call-ups at the earliest.
Jerry Lumpe… hahahaha
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Was that a serious answer, I mean is that a real player?
If it is, that’s too funny!
Apparently, Hank Bauer in batting pracetice yelled out something about mick leavin him, using someone else’s bat. And he named a name. The mick laughed and said, “Nope, I’m going to use Jerry Lumpe’s bat”. And he did.
Was that a serious answer, I mean is that a real player?
If it is, that’s too funny!
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Yes, I posted his stats at 12:10
m
I am going to guess it was not a Pete Rose bat.
“If I had played my career hitting singles like Pete (Rose), I’d wear a dress.”
Mickey Mantle
i disagree 200 more at bats, he gotta learn the zone. he gotta k alot, thats part of his game
m-
Terrific story, and terrific trivia question, thanks!
m
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 am
Apparently, Hank Bauer in batting pracetice yelled out something about mick leavin him, using someone else’s bat. And he named a name. The mick laughed and said, “Nope, I’m going to use Jerry Lumpe’s bat”. And he did.
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I like this story. Its a far cry from Johnny Damon and the 4 bats he goes thru a night because they all implode
Well, it’s not my story. Read a baseball book in the dentist’s office.
Yarns and actual news stories from some of the more historical games.
I thought it was Hank Bauer’s bat also….Jerry Lumpe…GB, wasn’t he part of the Maris dael ???? Great trivia question m…….Ron Artest to the LA Lakers
“OMG, Ralphie.
You really don’t know me. At all.”
sorry i get my posters that start with “m” mixed up…i didnt think it was serious but it seemed so well thought out that it could be
teddy July 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 am
i disagree 200 more at bats, he gotta learn the zone. he gotta k alot, thats part of his game
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Obviously the Yanks disagree with you. They have no intention of promoting him anytime soon.
Let the kid develop at his own pace. No reason to rush him.
Anyway, I am off to bed. I probably won’t be on for the next few game threads cause I will be beaching it up over the holiday weekend.
Happy Yankee viewing and good night Yankee people!
well they certainly feel that way. i was just giving my opinion. i don’t feel is rushing him
Pat M,
Crazy, huh? Both the deal and the man.
Artest is crazy, but he’s not stupid. I think it can work out. Just hope he doesn’t irritate Kobe, lol. Did you see him in the postseason? All up in Kobe’s grill?
Let’s hope he’s Kobe’s Rodman. Add his strong body to Bynum & Gasol in the post? Yikes!
BTW, the latest is Ariza to Houston. Ariza should’ve just taken the MLE.
Looks like they can bring back Odom now.
I heard this one during the Mets Yankees game over the weekend. Perhaps some of you heard it too.
Who was the only player to play for all three New York teams, i.e. Brooklyn, Giants, and Yankees?
Montero is such a beast.
It was supposed to be 3 years before he even sniffed the big leagues. He keeps hitting like he is now, its going to be tough to keep him off the roster next year.
AAA is going to be temporary destination for him if he’s as good as I think he is. There’s just not much for him to prove there. Great pitch recognition, strike zone knowledge, raw power.
One thing an old baseball coach I respected always told me….”If you can hit they’ll find a position for you.” Never more true with Montero. And if he can actually be a decent defensive catcher the Yankees could have in their possession a once in a generation player.
Ralphie D,
lol. Sometimes I’m good at that.
miggs
i understand they want him to catch, i think his bat will be potent i not sure he makes triple a. i love to see him a catcher, i think he a leathal dh
i think he our dh next year. he just a monster
Sal Maglie?
Betsy
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 am
Sal Maglie?
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Betsy, did you peek?
Nope – did I get it ?Yay! I love baseball history, so I’m very proud of myself tonight.
See? Trivia is much better than trivializing each other’s opinions.
Rightly or wrongly, CC will be judged on how he does in the postseason.
Richie,
Can’t wait for the opportunity!
m-
Do you remember, by any chance, the name of that book?
I love books with trivia and baseball stories like that.
m, Kobe lobbied for Artest a few years ago when he was upset with Laker mgr’ment…..They actually have a good relationship…I’m sad to see Trevor leave LA once again ( UCLA 1 year ) however the Lakers are in the midst of yet another dynasty run….
teddy July 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 am
miggs
i understand they want him to catch, i think his bat will be potent i not sure he makes triple a. i love to see him a catcher, i think he a leathal dh
i think he our dh next year. he just a monster
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Should they promote Andrew Brackman from Low-A to the bigs as well?
Jeez. Let these kids develop. Montero is 19 years old.
He needs to stick behind the plate and work on his catching. That’s where he’s most valuable to the organization.
He will not be the Yankee DH next year. You cannot have a 20 years old everyday DH with three guys on the team 35 and up playing everyday in the field (Jeter, A-Rod, and Posada).
Pat M-
I’m sad to see Trevor leave LA once again ( UCLA 1 year )
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Is that a done deal? I heard it was still just hearsay.
PAT M, Lumpe was part of the Hector Lopez/Ralph Terry deal. They sent Johnny Kucks and Tom Sturivant in the deal.
Sturdivant
Maris was an 8 player deal with Bauer, Larson, Throneberry and Norn Sieburn
Pepitone, That’s what the LA Times is reporting…Lakers offered him the same money as Houston…It’s almost a trade of sorts…Lamar Odum is staying put I suspect…..I just can’t see Artest co-existing with the Big Alpha Shaq in Cleveland….
nope brackmen as well i disagree on jackson. i love to jesus catch, he might not catch. who says you can’t have a 20 year dh, if he can rake as good as we think he can, he be in mlb. jesus will be valueable anywhere because of his bat. as a catcher he doesn’t play in 40 games
Norm Sieburn
The Yankees of the 50’s found some young pitchers in their system every year, that would turn in great seasons for one or two years and then send them to KC or washington for better players.
They’d bring in a 24 year old rookie like Bob Grim and he’d win 20 games in his first year, hang around a couple of years and get traded off, bring in a 3-21 (2 wins against the Yanks) game loser for the Orioles and he’d go 9-2 as a spot start and the next year he pitches a perfect game in the WS. They’d get a guy in the same trade and 3 years later he wins the Cy Young.
They’d pull a 21 year old rookie up to win 8 games and the next year Kucks would win 18 and close the ‘56 series with a shutout and trade him two years later with two time 16 game winner in his first two years in Tom Sturdivant.
They’d turn a player like Lumpe into Hector Lopez and Ralph Terry. They’d turn a washed up outfielder like Hank Bauer and a pair of young 1st basemen like Norm Sieburn and Marv Throneberry and into Roger Maris.
As always GB, thank you…Someday I’ll remember those seperate trades….I was only 6-7 years old….
stupid question, do everyday catchers play 120 or 140 games usually. say like a posada in his prime
GB7-
From what I remember from those days; the joke was the Kansas City A’s were the Yankees farm system, since the Yankees seemed to always be able to buy up, or trade for, all their good young players.
Pat M.
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 am
As always GB, thank you…Someday I’ll remember those seperate trades….I was only 6-7 years old….
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They had an amazingly deep farm system. Imagine a team of Sieburn, Thoneberry, Ryan Duren, Tony Kubek, Jerry Lumpe, Johnny Blanchard, Clete Boyer and Bobby Richardson for offense your AAA team. All but two of them were AL All-Stars later.
Yankees don’t measure visiting players HRs but Branyans was further than Alex’s and his was measured at 439 feet.
Anything that flies that far should have a co-pilot.
Pepitone
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:46 am
GB7-
From what I remember from those days; the joke was the Kansas City A’s were the Yankees farm system, since the Yankees seemed to always be able to buy up, or trade for, all their good young players.
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Pretty close. The GM was Parke Carroll, who had been the Yankees assistant GM, Yankee owner Topping’s building company remodeled Municipal stadium in KC and the guy that bought the A’s from Connie Mack owned Yankee Stadium. NYY took their heavy contracts sent young players and cheap older names like Larsen and Bauer and a lot of money to KC. They did the same with baltimore and Washington, too. Never were able to con the Orioles out of brooks Robinson, though.
Pete, why do you single out lunatic emailers like this? It’s kind of embarrassing to the 90% of fans who aren’t complete idiots. Why you would even read these emails, let alone single them out in a blog entry is beyond me.
“Why you would even read these emails, let alone single them out in a blog entry is beyond me.”
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not sure if it’s true but Pete says he replies to every email.
even the ridiculous ones…
I need The Bombers to win 100 games to collect on my pre-season investment….
“Pete, why do you single out lunatic emailers like this? It’s kind of embarrassing to the 90% of fans who aren’t complete idiots. Why you would even read these emails, let alone single them out in a blog entry is beyond me.”
Hey, It’s a headline.
At least it is here…tonight.
Somewhere today I said he’s due to have a bad game. Probably should have kept my big mouth shut.
I take all the blame.
“I need The Bombers to win 100 games to collect on my pre-season investment….”
Say hello to Bernie Madoff for us.
Jeers, I put up $ 100.00 to win 190.00…
“Jeers, I put up $ 100.00 to win 190.00…”
Okay so maybe not Bernie Madoff. But there is an OTB around the corner from me and they may have an opening.
Good night all. I got tickets for man(y)ana
Tomorrow the stadium is mine and it owes me a living!
Go AJ.
I’m going to be playing that game tomorrow ….Hey, have a slice of the best pizza in NY, 2 blocks up on 161st…Stadium Pizza…Been going there since I was a kid in the 60’s…..Are you in touch with the LoHud during the game Jeers ????
“CC: not an Ace”
or so says the snapshot crowd
I beg to differ
*”Oh, and the Mariners came to New York having won eight of their previous nine series. The other team does try on occasion.”*
Pete, when the Yankees lost one game to the Nationals, you called it a travesty.
CompassRosy July 2nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
…Com’ on, Jason, surprise me (and you too, bats – got your work cut out for you with CC!)
I’m thinking that Russell’s overdue for one of his moon shots…
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Well, whadayaknow?
Jason DID surprise me. Sure, he only made it through 4, but considering the flu symptoms he was dealing with, that was good enough to get to the bullpen that I finally recognize.
I was proud of the bats (the base running, not so much) and I just had a feeling about Mr. Muscle Moonshot
(7K’s in-a-row be damned!)
Congrats again on the series, Yankee fans!
I’ll be looking forward to my M’s feeling a little NYY love this weekend
Ramiro Peña went 2-4 in SWB. Awesome
if i remeber correctly, didn’t the yanks have 2 aaa teams during the 50s? i seem to recall the denver bears and richmond and even newark i think. in fact, one year they had to loan roy white to portland of the pcl due to overstock
but Pete, Cy Young never lost a game…wait…well I’m sure Nolan Ryan never lost a game…oh wait….but but, I’m sure there’s at least one great pitcher out there who’s never lost a…wait what? every great pitcher’s lost a game? that’s just crazy!
but seriously Pete, posting an email like this and responding to it is kind of like showing a streaker during a sporting event on television…you’re just giving recognition to something that doesn’t deserve it and asking for more…
I know the Yanks had a farm team in Richmond a long time ago…that’s where my Yankee fandom was born. I wasn’t alive at the time, but my father was a young tobacco farm boy and once a year my grandparents would pack everyone up and go see the real Yankees come into town to scrimmage the farm team (I would imagine in ST)…he got to see some Yankee greats come to town and the family has been full of Yankees ever since! Now, sadly, Richmond has no baseball and seems to be having a real tough time getting it together enough to build a new ballpark…ugh
that is, scrimmage the Yankee farm team, not the tobacco farm team…lol
“Giving up 6 runs and leaving with the bases loaded in the 6th inning to a horrible hitting team in Seattle is pretty lame. He’s not a bust (yet) but he doesn’t exactly inspire
confidence that he will shut down the opposition, either.”
The funniest part of the whole comment is definitely the word “yet.”
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