Game 80: Blue Jays at Yankees (update: Wang strains shoulder)
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Happy Birthday to George Steinbrenner, who turns 79 today.
YANKEES (46-33)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Cano 2B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cabrera RF
Gardner CF
Pitching: RHP Chien-Ming Wang (1-6, 10.06).
BLUE JAYS (42-39)
Scutaro SS
Hill 2B
Lind DH
Rolen 3B
Overbay 1B
Wells CF
Rios RF
Dellucci LF
Barajas C
Pitching: RHP Roy Halladay (10-2, 2.56).
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees have won eight of nine and trail Boston by a mere two games in the AL East. They are 3-1 on their current homestand and are 3-1 against the Jays this season.
4TH OF JULY BLUES: The Yankee have lost three straight on July 4 and seven of their last 10.
HALLADAY ON THE HOLIDAY: Halladay is 16-5 with a 2.79 ERA against the Yankees in his career, 13-2 over his last 19 starts. He beat them on May 12 at the Rogers Centre, allowing one run on five hits over nine innings. This will be his second start since coming off the disabled list. He allowed two runs on five hits over six innings against Tampa Bay on Monday.
BUILDING ON SUCCESS: Chien-Ming Wang went a season-best 5.1 innings against the Mets in his last start, getting his first win in more than a year.
RISP REPORT: The Yankees have won three of four on the homestand despite going 5 of 30 with runners in scoring position.
IT’S ALL ABOUT THE PITCHING: The Yankees are 29-3 when they hold their opponents to three runs or less.
ABOUT THE JAYS: Rolen has a 20-game hit streak, the longest current streak in the AL. He is hitting .415 (34 of 82) during the streak with three homers and 12 RBI. … Alex Rios has hit safely in 37 of his last 39 games against the Yankees.
THEY’RE HOT: Derek Jeter has a nine-game hit streak. … Hideki Matsui is 4 of 9 with three RBI and three extra-base hits.
IT’S A TOUGH DIVISION: Here are the top teams in baseball in terms of run differential:
Dodgers +87
Rays +86
Red Sox + 73
Yankees + 58
Blue Jays +38
A BEAST APPROACHES: Jesus Montero’s last five games for Trenton: 11 of 19, 7 runs, 5 home runs, 8 RBI, 1 double. He is hitting .346 in 22 games since being promoted. By all accounts, he is the man.
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Lake Charles by Lucinda Williams followed by Cupid by the great Sam Cooke.
Back with much, much more later on.
UPDATE, 12:53 p.m.: The Yankees just showed a clip of different players reading Gehrig’s speech with the final line from being Gehrig. Pretty emotional stuff.
UPDATE, 1:08 p.m.: We’re about ready for first pitch. Nowhere better to be on the Fourth of July than a ballpark, I think.
Hope you’re having a great day and enjoy the game wherever you are.
UPDATE, 1:16 p.m.: Ladies and gentlemen, I have a a major breaking news story. Chien-Ming Wang’s ERA is under 10.00. It’s 9.80 to be exact. Let us all pause to take this moment in.
UPDATE, 1;24 p.m.: Well how about that? The great Halladay walks only his 15th batter of the season. Damon goes to second on a hit and run, avoiding the double play when Teixeira grounded to second. Then he scores on A-Rod’s single.
Great send by Rob Thompson against Rios. Who knows how many chance you’re going to get against Halladay?
UPDATE, 1:34 p.m.: So much for that as Wang loses Overbay, allows a bloop double and then a two-run single. 2-1 Jays.
UPDATE, 1:43 p.m.: Godzilla drives one into the seats and it’s 2-2. Matsui is 5 of his last 10 with four RBI and four extras. He has three careers dingers against Halladay.
UPDATE, 1:59 p.m.: Cano 0 for his last 17 with RISP and 20 of 98 (.204) on the season. Yet he continues to hit fifth. Girardi said today he has had bad luck. 98 bats suggest something other than bad luck.
UPDATE, 2:04 p.m.: Rolen extends his hit streak to 21 games.
UPDATE, 2:10 p.m.: Shocking first four innings here in the Bronx as the Yankees are leading Roy Halladay 3-2. Yanks have four hits and have drawn two walks, which against Holiday is usually nine innings worth of offense.
UPDATE, 2:21 p.m.: Chien-Ming Wang is dealing. He had 10 groundball outs in five innings. He has allowed four earned runs over his last 10.1 innings. Not bad, not bad at all.
Yankees 3-2 into the bottom of the fifth. Halladay at 62 pitches.
UPDATE, 2:30 p.m.: Gotta love Cano. Halladay walks A-Rod and Cano swings at the first pitch and grounds out to end the inning. 0 for last 18 with RISP. More bad luck I guess.
UPDATE, 2:38 p.m.: The right field jet stream giveth and taketh away. Lind’s jack gives Toronto a 4-3 lead.
Now Wang is being taken out of the game with a trainer. No word on what is wrong with him.
UPDATE, 2:42 p.m.: Wang has allowed seven homers in 42 innings. He allowed four in 95 innings last season and nine over 199.1 innings in 2007.
UPDATE, 3:22 p.m.: Wang as a strained right shoulder and has been taken for an MRI.
This is bad news for Wang. He had shoulder surgery on April 2, 2001 and missed that entire season. He also missed nearly two months in 2005 with shoulder inflammation.
UPDATE, 3:28 p.m.: Meanwhile, Johnny Damon hits another Yankee Stadium Special into the right field seats and the Yankees have tied it. Four home runs today and counting.
UPDATE, 3:31 p.m.: There have been 135 HRs hit here in 40 games. There were 160 hit over 81 games at the old Stadium last season. What a farce.
At any rate, new game and Hughes on the hill. If Wang is badly hurt, this is could be a tune-up for a start.
UPDATE, 3:54 p.m.: Mo in a tie game. Usually not a good thing. Kind of like Cano with men on base.
UPDATE, 3:58 p.m.: Mo survives a hit. Now it’s winning time. Jeter, Damon and Tex. Somebody can manage to hit a cheapie into the RF seats and send everybody home, I’m sure.
UPDATE, 4:05 p.m.: Jeter walks. This game is over, just a question of how it happens now.
UPDATE, 4:14 p.m.: Toronto wisely will walk A-Rod and face the RISP-challenged Robinson Cano. I’d say he’s about due, no?
Single over the second baseman’s head. Pay attention.
UPDATE, 4:19 p.m.: Cano can’t even hit the ball hard when men on base. Let’s review …
• 0 x 3 with RISP today.
• 0 x his last 19 with RISP.
• 20 x 99 (.202) on the season.
Girardi needs an intervention if he hits Cano fifth tomorrow. Get Matsui back there.
Yankees are 6 of 38 with RISP on the homestand.
UPDATE, 4:27 p.m.: That Phil Coke ain’t no joke. Yankees pen tosses up another zero with some slip, slidin’ help from GGBG in center. Now Posada, Ransom and the ever-clutch Melkman get their shot.
UPDATE, 4:31 p.m.: I’m going to Hollywood to write a script where a baseball manager gives an inspirational speech before a game so ballparks can have something to show other than clips from lame football movies.
I’ll call it Any Given Torre. Or Girardi Night Lights.
UPDATE, 4:39 p.m.: Stretching Coke here a bit.
UPDATE, 4:42 p.m.: You have to be careful using too much Coke. Don’t want to get carried away.
UPDATE: 4:57 p.m.: Nice work by Shawn Camp: 2 0 0 0 0 4.
UPDATE, 4:57 p.m.: Aceves must need a day off as Tomko comes on. Top of the order, too.
UPDATE, 5:05 p.m.: Yankee relievers the last six innings: 3 hits, 0 runs, 1 walk (intentional) and 2 strikeouts. That’s some quality work.
UPDATE, 5:09 p.m.: One more try for Cano. 0 x last 19 with RISP. Overdue.
UPDATE, 5:10 p.m.: Bunting? Really? The Yankees are bunting their No. 5 hitter?
UPDATE, 5:11 p.m.: Cano can’t bunt and guess what, he bunted right into an out at third base. Just brutal. If you don’t think he can hit in the clutch, then why in the world is he hitting fifth?
UPDATE, 5:14 p.m.: But Jorge Posada knows his business. Yankees win, one game out.
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Great post Pete before
Does anyone have an MLB TV pass that I could borrow today to see the Yankees game??
Im really hoping we can beat Roy the tool. Please??
It’s Saturday so there is a Fox blackout of all day games not shown on the network. I have the MLB package and it irritates me each week I am home and the Yankees are playing during the day. UGH…
Good music!
I’m going out to the game today, and I really want to know if they’ll be sitting A-Rod.
I think the odds are against Yanks with Hallady going and Wang for Yanks.
But you never know. Same with the Santana game and we won. We may still win this game.
My guess is A-Rod will be given rest today and pinch hit in a high leverage situation.
I just read the following quote in the Bergen Record. Now if some people didn’t like Tallent’s quote.
Cito Gaston
called the clubhouse ‘an upgrade’. He didn’t care of the original stadium. “what was to like about it? all it has is history. otherwise, it was a dump.”
Nice real nice. what a jerk.
Thank god Halladay was injured. He’ll probably shut the Yankees out, especially the way they’ve been hitting. at leat he’ll only go 7 innings, hopefully. Yankees cant hit with RISP, and against Halladay the Yankees have to make the most of their opportunities, if they have any.
Wow Cito Gaston. The biggest dump in MLB is Fenway, and the visiting locker rooms are made to be uncomfortable for the visiting players. WOnder if Cito will open his mouth about theirs, considering Boston is racist against blacks.
Good tunes. Love Sam Cooke. Been experiencing a 50’s – 60’s (non-beatles) phase lately, even some doo-wop, like the American Graffiti Soundtrack. Baseball, Barbecue and some sunshine today in NY. Does it get any better
Pete, thanks for posting the full text of Gehrig’s speech – all we ever hear are the “luckiest man” and “lot to live for” parts. Very nice tribute to the Iron Man, Pete – and it seems the Yankees are honoring Lou in an appropriate way. Imagine how hard it must have been him to play his entire career in the enormous shadow of Babe Ruth. He was a wonderful man – and a real legend.
Happy July 4th everyone – and happy birthday to the Boss.
Today’s going to be rough – I’m not expecting much out of Wang and I’m expecting the Yankees to do their usual number against Halladay (meaning he’ll pitch a CG in about 95 pitches). Even with a loss, I’ll be happy if Wang pitches well, so here’s hoping because the Yankees need him.
I expect Halladay will have a typical Halladay game today.
It would be great to see Wang step up and beat him though.
This would go a long way towards giving everyone confidence in him returning to form. If Wang goes 6 or 7 and gives up only 2 (even if the Yanks still lose 2-1) he’s still doing a good job on the comeback.
I’m not going to predict scores. But I’m thinking both pitchers will show up but the Yanks will win a low-scoring game today though.
Now that it looks as though we finally got a set-up man in Hughes, thoughts on trades that would make sense?
I am thinking the Yanks should try and go out and get one more starting pitcher…(I still do not trust Wang, and Pettite is injury Prone…Not to mention Joba does not go deep into game)……..
wouldn’t it be something if wang outpitched halladay?
Come on guys. If we believe that the Yanks can beat Roy, then they can. Roy is nothing but a bully. He bullies us and fails against the sox. all it takes is for the Yanks to fight back and the bully will back down.
perfect opp. for wang to come back today.
does anyone have mlb tv that i can borrow for today??
Hughes’ role in the bullpen is only temporary, he’s a starting pitcher not too far down the road. It’s also likely that he and Joba trade spots sometime in August when Joba nears his innings limit for the season. I don’t see additional pitching as a need this (or next season), it’s far more likely the Yankees add a corner outfielder at or near the trading deadline-someone who is a ‘rental’ and can be picked up cheaply without giving up top prospects.
i have not been able to watch the yankees in years.
that all changes wednesday when i get u-verse & the yes network.
finally.
Konawalchuk
July 4th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Wow Cito Gaston. The biggest dump in MLB is Fenway, and the visiting locker rooms are made to be uncomfortable for the visiting players. WOnder if Cito will open his mouth about theirs, considering Boston is racist against blacks.
“…Boston is racist against blacks”? I don’t even know where to begin…
Cano batting behind Arod. Awesome!
I know Halladay is a great pitcher, but isn’t he due for a bad game against us sometime?
Probably the same odd of Wang pitching a great game this year
mg
didn’t they just get hinske??
20 hr’s & 80 rbi’s in 381 ab last year.
i don’t see cash giving up prospects for anything better.
maybe a pen arm so hughes can give us our starting pitching debth back.
- – Cito Gaston
called the clubhouse ‘an upgrade’. He didn’t care of the original stadium. “what was to like about it? all it has is history. otherwise, it was a dump.”- –
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He’s only speaking the truth. Did you ever take the tour of the old place? My bedroom is bigger than the old Yankees clubhouse. I could only imagine what the visitor’s looked like.
Love, love the Montero love!
Whoo!
And now I should get ready so I can actually, go to the game
mlb tv account for just today? anybody
just a prediction…
If Wang gets his ERA back in the elusive single digits – Yankee fans across the country will set off fireworks tonight.
Cito Gaston is respected and a good guy. Not everyone has to kiss up and fawn over the new stadium. We all know it’s gorgeous and state of the art.
Good luck CMW! I do remember his win over the Doc on opening day 2008. It was a low scoring affair but Wang won it. How quickly everyone forgets.
Mark D,
there is nowhere to begin. That is the end.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....ghes_.html
More to the point, relieving has turned Hughes into an attacking pitcher again, allowed him to gain velocity and helped bring back the aura he had a few years ago as the can’t-miss kid, before injuries and some failure killed his confidence. And he knows it.
“My command is back where it was in 2006,” he said at his locker Friday. “It’s funny, I look at video of myself from last year, or scouting reports, and I throw them out the window. They don’t even really factor in anymore, because everything has come a long way.
“I went through a year-and-a-half stretch where I was kind of down and out, wasn’t feeling great about things. But I’ve got to give credit to Dave Eiland and the other pitching coaches in the organization, because they’ve helped me get back on track.”
LOL at the below fist pump comment (and I also LOVE Phil’s confidence -that Wells quote says a lot about the kid):
Hughes took it a step further.
“Wells has had success against me,” he said, “but I don’t think I was anywhere near the pitcher then that I am now.”
Yes, Hughes is feeling good about himself – just don’t expect any Joba-like emoting from him, no matter the situation.
“That’s not really my game,” he said with a smile. “I’m not great at that. I don’t want to make a fool out of myself and throw my elbow out, trying to fist pump.
bru, I like the Hinkse pickup and if he hits over the next month there is no reason to add another outfielder. I don’t want any prospects leaving either except for the ones who don’t even show up on the radar. I wonder, though, if Romine might be somewhat expendable in a trade for an established major leaguer with Sanchez being signed and Cervelli showing himself to be a good backup level catcher behind Montero in the future.
I also love this quote:
He says he won’t change his personality in pursuit of some intimidation factor out of the pen. “Your stuff dictates how intimidating you’re going to be, rather than a scowl on your face or the way you carry yourself,” he said. “You can intimidate Little League hitters, but not big-league hitters with any type of mound presence. You have to pitch.”
Phil has a good head on his shoulders……
Betsy, he’s gained a swagger eversince they put him in the BP.
Like the lineup a lot today. Take out Swisher (K’s too much and would likely have trouble with Halladay) and enter in Melky. I love having the defense of Melky ang Gardner in the outfield.
Win or lose if we can get 7ip, 3 or less runs from Wang it will be a good day.
Anybody know much about our International FA signings?
Which remninds me what a great signing Aceves has been.(Mexican League) Vazquez has been tearing up Trenton as well. Great job by Cash.
It would be nice if Hinske got in a game before the All Star break.
Not only did Eric get Berroa’s uniform number – he got his lack of AB’s too.
Is there anywhere to watch today’s game?
I don’t think we’re going to see Joba switch roles with Hughes at all this season.
Joba has to average 6.0 IP per start the rest of the season for him to accumulate 130 IP by early September.
Considering Joba has only thrown 6.0+ IP a handful of times this season, I certainly don’t expect him to AVERAGE 6.0 IP per start the rest of the season.
Damian Arredondo, SS, Dominican Republic: Arredondo jumped onto the big stage recently with a big-time workout at the Yankees complex, and it now appears that he will ink with the Bombers for a bonus of around $800,000. He’s a solid-hitting shortstop with a projectable frame, but his calling card is blazing speed, solid defense, and a plus arm.
Gary Sanchez C, Dominican Republic: – right-handed; plus bat speed & power; great athleticism behind the plate; linked to Yankees with $2.5 to 3M bonus
The other guy is Christopher Cabrera a 16 yr. old who tops out at 95 mph is around 90-94, suppose to be more advanced than Arodis Vizcaino.
“Which remninds me what a great signing Aceves has been.(Mexican League) Vazquez has been tearing up Trenton as well. Great job by Cash.”
Wait till you see Manny Banuelos in STL AS week.
You know the Rangers and Phillies are after Wang. check this out from mlbtraderumors:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-wang.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....177528.htm
“What we couldn’t know for sure with A.J. we have learned in the first half,” general manager Brian Cashman said. “And that is that he competes and is a great teammate. We knew that about CC, and it turns out that Burnett has a lot of the same qualities as CC.”
Again there are 4½ more years left on Burnett’s deal for him to break down physically or temperamentally. But he smiled when he said, “This [coming to the Yankees] is the best decision I have ever made.”
I agree with Sherman about AJ buckling down, especially after Damon’s gaffe and Wells’ HR. What I liked about AJ after the latter is that he didn’t let one bad pitch snowball….I’m hardly shocked though. I know AJ has had his off-moments, but in general (with the exception of a few games), he’s had to battle without his great stuff or command.
Any player who comes out and says that signing with the Yanks is the best decision he’s ever made is ok with me, lol – but I was very happy with the signing before AJ had put on the pinstripes anyway.
The media fixation on the 8th inning is unbelievably stupid and ridiculous.
Nobody in that bullpen is going to change their approach based on the inning they come into a game.
Be aggressive. Throw strikes. Trust your stuff.
The job for everyone in that bullpen is to pass the baton and get the ball to Mo in the 9th inning.
The media often tries to make this game much more complicated than it really is.
“I don’t think we’re going to see Joba switch roles with Hughes at all this season.
Joba has to average 6.0 IP per start the rest of the season for him to accumulate 130 IP by early September.
Considering Joba has only thrown 6.0+ IP a handful of times this season, I certainly don’t expect him to AVERAGE 6.0 IP per start the rest of the season.”
The number of pitches thrown has to come into play as well in that decision. Though he has not thrown as many innings, he is throwing lot of pitches.
with all the hype about montero he has a long way to go defensively.
he is behind most if not all of our other catchers.
i just don’t see another outfielder coming because we have too many now.
getting them playing time will be difficult.
hinske hasn’t played yet & with gardner & melky playing swisher is sitting.
who does girardi bring in first hinske or swish & will too many of hurt us?
5 of is enough unless we can get a definite improvement in cf or rf & i don’t see that happening not to mention somebody would have to go & all the others will get less ab.
cashman likes the small moves.
i see a pen arm if anything at all.
that could give us back our sp debth that we lost.
what happens if wang fails?
hughes probably gets pulled from the pen.
if wang fails & we get an injury to a starter we are down 2 starters.
Brandon, Phil was pitching much better in the rotation even before he was put in the pen – Remember him practically refusing to come out of the Texas game? People want to chalk up his aggressiveness to being in the pen, but I don’t think that’s it. Something clicked after the Baltimore game. I can’t wait to see him in the rotation again, whenever that is. Until then, he’s taken the bull by the horns and who doesn’t love that attitude?
Mad props today to J-Han, J-Mad, T-Jeff, G-Wash, B-Frank and the rest
“…Rather than a scowl on your face or the way you carry yourself…”
Jonathan Papelbon take note, the fishy face (read scowl) doesn’t scare big league hitters it just makes you look like a 13 year old taking a MySpace picture.
“You know the Rangers and Phillies are after Wang. check this out from mlbtraderumors:”
We know. And those posters are nuts if they think we’d just want Josh Hamilton for Wang. Unless the Yanks are given a deal they can’t refuse Wang isn’t going anywhere.
For the Rangers it all starts w/ one name Neftali Feliz
Phillie the same Bastard and Taylor.
Anybody have MLB TV that I can borrow for today game.
“You know the Rangers and Phillies are after Wang. check this out from mlbtraderumors:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-wang.html”
I would be surprised if Yanks trade Wang (if they trade at all) to Rangers. Rangers are right now our main WC competition (second best WC record behind Yanks).
YES was ridiculous yesterday, interviewing Bruney when he didn’t even pitch, then pressing him to say something controversial.
Thanks Brandon
Cash must have some good scouts in Mexico. I wonder if it’s the same person responsible for our recent Mexican success?
Kona– I’m not 100% certain but I’m pretty sure somebody mentioned that day games on Saturday get nationally blacked out because FOX carries baseball.
LOL Rob………
“Joba has to average 6.0 IP per start the rest of the season for him to accumulate 130 IP by early September.”
And I think his cap is 150 so he might be in the rotation all yr.
Betsy, I know but he’s hitting 95, 96 and I’m betting he’s going to top out at 97 soon, but what makes it great is that painting the freaking lower corner w/ it. Srsly he hasn’t pitched like that in a long time.
“If we believe that the Yanks can beat Roy, then they can.”
Is this serious? I can’t tell. If I believe the Earth is flat, does that make it true?
Not saying they can’t beat Halladay, but whether they can or can’t has nothing to do with our beliefs.
“Thanks Brandon
Cash must have some good scouts in Mexico. I wonder if it’s the same person responsible for our recent Mexican success?”
It is.
I see there is no amount of failure that can dislodge Cano from the 5 spot in the order. It’s amazing that the Yankees are satisfied with such ineptitude from their number 5 hitter with RISP. There really is no pressure playing for the Yanks since you don’t have to be any good to keep your job.
Jen,
I wouldn’t get too upset over what Cito said. I’ve heard many players over the years complain about the old stadium. Remember, they get to see it in a way that we don’t. Supposedly, there was a rodent problem and the bowels of the stadium had a bad smell. I don’t think he should have called it a dump, but I see why maybe he didn’t like the place.
55,
it was sort of a half joke. If the Yankees believe they can beat Roy, then they can.
Rob NY,
You can still get the games on MLB TV, just not on Directv
“I see there is no amount of failure that can dislodge Cano from the 5 spot in the order. It’s amazing that the Yankees are satisfied with such ineptitude from their number 5 hitter with RISP. There really is no pressure playing for the Yanks since you don’t have to be any good to keep your job.”
Can we wait at least until ASG.
if your logic has to be applied, Tex should not be batting 3rd and A-Rod should not be batting 4th given how long they underperformed earlier.
Laura I know it had a smell. I took a tour and it smelled of roaches, but not those roaches if you catch my drift.
55 — Not to get philosophical here, but what you believe has a lot to do with the physical world you live in. If enough people got behind something their energy could literally, change the planet.
So there’s a lot of talk out there today that Chapman isn’t really 21. Also, that he was considered 26 for the WBC. SJ, if you’re around today, you said yesterday you were pretty certain he was 21. Do you think all the stuff about his age being much higher than the claims is just misinformation?
Even at 26 a lefty throwing 100mph is a big time get but not nearly the same as a getting a 21 year old who does the same. At 21 you could let him start his pro career in the minors and see what happends, at 26 you sort of need him to be ready to throw ML innings.
Does anybody know where teh game might be available online???????????????
The home and road clubhouses in Boston are smaller than many high school locker rooms.
Brandon, that’s true – for some reason, I remember those first two strikes to Scott Rolen as being particularly good, really beautiful. He’s just hitting his spots exactly – even if he was throwing 92-93, he’s be doing as well with command like that. I’m happy for Phil because he had a rough last couple of years…..
Something stood out to me w/ the 4 hitters Yussse faced yesterday, they all had the same facial expression when he threw the fastball. Rolen, Overbay, Wells they came into thier ABs ready to start a rally, down 1 they came in confident, the Yusssse painted the black thier faces went from, “OK this is not gonna be easy” to “whatever you do don’t strike out” mode.
Yanks OF(defense) might be one of the worst in the majors & in the long run this will cost them
rangers and phillies interested in WANG:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-wang.html
There were rumors at the WBC Chapman was 26. They were unfounded.
All the documentation available thus far shows he’s 21. If something comes up to show that documentation to be false. then you deal with it.
Thus far though, he is a documented 21 year old until proven otherwise.
“Laura I know it had a smell. I took a tour and it smelled of roaches, but not those roaches if you catch my drift.”
LOL! I wonder if the new stadium will eventually get that smell as well.
As somebody that actually went to games before the old stadium was renovated, it was a dump and so is Fenway Park. I’ve been to Wrigley Field too and I think it’s a dump in comparison to these new stadiums. Gaston speaks the truth and he’s too old to mince his words.
Laura,
It will get that smell again, all it takes is for Yuckilis, PEDroia, Ortiz, and RoidTEK, and the rest of the Sox roiders to come to the stadium. The Sox are experts in the area of the Drug Usage.
I don’t see the Yankees trading Wang unless those teams blown them away with some great offer. If we trade Wang and then one of the other guys goes down with an injury (which could happen), we’d be short. We’d pencil Phil in to cover, but then who mans Wang’s spot? No, we need to keep Wang. Unless PHI is sending back Hamels and TEX is sending whoever they have that’s a good pitcher, I say no to that deal.
“Yanks OF(defense) might be one of the worst in the majors & in the long run this will cost them”
Not if El Nino learns the OF. And Jackson gets that Sept. promotion.
“Yanks OF(defense) might be one of the worst in the majors & in the long run this will cost them”
Positive much?
“There were rumors at the WBC Chapman was 26. They were unfounded.
All the documentation available thus far shows he’s 21. If something comes up to show that documentation to be false. then you deal with it.
Thus far though, he is a documented 21 year old until proven otherwise.”
SJ44,
Give it time and back to my point from yesterday, they’re going to kick the tires on him again despite whatever investigation they’ve done for the WBC as these age reports will continue and force them to revisit him.
For those wanting to watch the Yankees game today online, try this website…
http://www.atdhe.net/
Go down to 1 PM, and Blue Jays at Yankees is listed. You might have to put a password, usually, they provide one at the top of video screen. This is the best I can come up with for now. Hopefully, this works for everyone. Good luck and happy Independence Day!
How many times are folks going to post the same story about Wang.
Does anybody read the comments before posting the same story multiple times?
Thanks very much Joe I.
I knew of the site, but didnt think they carried baseball.
55,
I believed I’d get a way to watch today’s game, and now I have.
# Laura – All we are saying is give Wang a chance! July 4th, 2009 at 11:27 am
“Yanks OF(defense) might be one of the worst in the majors & in the long run this will cost them”
Positive much?
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just stating a fact that is true & we all know it
“SJ44
July 4th, 2009 at 11:27 am
How many times are folks going to post the same story about Wang.
Does anybody read the comments before posting the same story multiple times?”
Why are you going after other posters?
Cito’s comment doesn’t bother me as much as Tiger Woods mouthing off about the prices at Yankee Stadium. I’ve never liked that guy and his comments don’t do anything to change that fact. The guy has more money than God and he’s complaining about ticket prices? Here’s a tip, Tiger – stick to Golf and keep your trap shut about the Yankees.
I’m sure they will look into his age again.
However, he has passed three investigative queries into his age.
The Olympics, even though he didn’t play.
The WBC, which MLB itself conducted the investigation.
The three different international event he has played the last 4 years.
All have investigated, all have no proof he is nothing other than 21 years old.
Its pretty doubtful new info is available from January to now that will throw this into doubt.
He has a notorized birth certificate. Unless Fidel himself has proof to show the birth certificate isn’t legit, I don’t know what MLB can do that they haven’t already done when they investigated his age prior to the WBC.
Wang is going nowhere.
They aren’t going to trade from a position of strength (the rotation) in return for peanuts – which is what the Rangers and Phillies are going to insist on given Wang’s rough season.
It’s simply not going to happen.
“More to the point, relieving has turned Hughes into an attacking pitcher again, allowed him to gain velocity and helped bring back the aura he had a few years ago as the can’t-miss kid, before injuries and some failure killed his confidence.”
In his last start prior to being moved to the pen (against Cleveland) Hughes threw 5 innings. He struck out 6 and walked 1.
In the start before that (against texas) he threw 8 innings striking out 6 and walking 1.
In the start before that one (against baltimore) he threw 5 innings. He struck out 9 and walked 1.
So in the three starts before he moved to the pen Hughes threw 18 innings. He struck out 21 and walked 3. That ridiculous. That’s a K:BB of 7:1. For context, Halladay’s K:BB this season is 6.8.
I agree that moving to the pen is a valuable learning experience for Phil compared to going to the minors and starting. He’d learn something from both. But getting out major league hitters is great and the team needs him in a big way at the major league level.
But this idea that it was moving to the bull pen that made Hughes an entirely different pitcher is a complete myth that’s being constructed by this bizarre obsession some people in the media have with late inning relief.
Hughes was utterly dominant in the 3 starts before he even got into the pen. Not one start – 3.
Hughes has added veolocity and his fastball looks great – but that’s because it is easier to throw harder out of the pen. It’s not that complicated.
Hughes has been a success out of the pen because he is talented and he learned after that disastrous baltimore start to trust his stuff and throw strikes. A 7:1 K to BB ratio says it all.
It isn’t the pen that has made him successful. That is nonesense. He picked himself up off the floor after that bad baltimore start and became a different pitcher.
He’s carried that success over to the pen. But it’s not the pen that made him successful.
I’m just amazed that somehow those 3 starts he threw are just forgotten. That game he threw in Texas was one of the single best starts of any yankee pitcher this season.
But it’s evaporated from memory because he didn’t do it as a reliever.
Hughes’ success should have made the John Harper’s of the world reconsider their belief that pitching the 8th or 9th inning is magic and that only the select few can do it. That was the entire basis for 2 years of debate on Joba.
But instead of critically rethinking that notion they are instead just bending and forgetting the evidence to buoy their own opinions.
Joba had to stay in the pen because he was an fist-pumping high octane reliever. It was that attitude that made him successful and allowed him to thrive in the hardest job in baseball.
What does John Harper say about hughes who has none of those personality traits:
“In fact, Hughes, the kid from Southern California, is much closer to Rivera in style and temperament than Chamberlain. He says he won’t change his personality in pursuit of some intimidation factor out of the pen.”
Before Joba had to stay in the pen because he was the next Goose. Now Hughes is Mariano Rivera.
What utter nonsense.
I’m not “going after other posters”.
Does it make sense to you the same story needs linked 4-5 times in the same thread? It doesn’t to me.
If Giradi was going to move Cano down, today would be the day. Every hitter behind Cano has better career numbers vs Doc.
Joe has a reason he’s keeping him there. What it is, I don’t know, but at this point you got to trust your manager.
“He has a notorized birth certificate. Unless Fidel himself has proof to show the birth certificate isn’t legit, I don’t know what MLB can do that they haven’t already done when they investigated his age prior to the WBC.”
Is it not possible to extrapolate his age based on how long he has been playing for the cuban team(s)? Can such records be obained (I am not talking about just international competition)
If he has been playing for let us say 8-10 years, obvioously he is not 21 years old.
From Heyman’s Twitter-
#phillies offer for wang was a prospect apparently not to yankees’ liking. #yanks like their rotation depth, anyway
about 2 hours ago from web
CB,
What Harper doesn’t realize is, Hughes was put in the bullpen BECAUSE of his success as a starter.
He was throwing the ball so well in his last 3 starts, they wanted to find a way to keep him in NY. He didn’t “find it” in the bullpen.
He went to the bullpen with the goods already.
“I’m not “going after other posters”.
Does it make sense to you the same story needs linked 4-5 times in the same thread? It doesn’t to me.”
SJ44,
Who appointed you blog cop? You’re one of the best posters on this blog, but I think you can be quite condescending to others here.
“From Heyman’s Twitter-
#phillies offer for wang was a prospect apparently not to yankees’ liking. #yanks like their rotation depth, anyway
about 2 hours ago from web”
No kidding, when Heyman made his remarks yesterday on the MLB channel, I knew then he didn’t know what he was talking about. There was no way Cashman is going to trade Wang low and he knows that, but I guess he had nothing else to say.
“Before Joba had to stay in the pen because he was the next Goose. Now Hughes is Mariano Rivera.
What utter nonsense.”
Well said.
After all they are mediots for a reason
“From Heyman’s Twitter-
#phillies offer for wang was a prospect apparently not to yankees’ liking. #yanks like their rotation depth, anyway
about 2 hours ago from web”
they can stay w/ Moyer and Rodrigo Lopez for all I care if they wwant to low ball.
Would like to see the Yanks play a little small ball early to manufacture a run or two against Doc. That might give them a big more confidence against him. Of course the key to today is how good Wang is regardless of the final score.
If the Phillies and Rangers want to talk about Wang why not give a listen? I’m not looking for move anyone in particular, but both teams/organizations have players of interest. I strongl doubt anything happens, but who knows?
No one knows how old Cuban players are exepct the kids’ parents. Younger Domminican players are more likely to be the age they claim compared to 10-20 years ago. Other countries like Panama and Venezuela for example are quite reliable form what I’ve read.
If someone can prove Chapman is 26 (if he is) that’s take milions and millions off the table. Again, MLB teams paid way too much for Contreras, Matsuzaka and Igawa just to mention three. It’ll behoove those in power to do a LOT of homework on this kid.
“Cito’s comment doesn’t bother me as much as Tiger Woods mouthing off about the prices at Yankee Stadium. I’ve never liked that guy and his comments don’t do anything to change that fact. The guy has more money than God and he’s complaining about ticket prices? Here’s a tip, Tiger – stick to Golf and keep your trap shut about the Yankees.”
I agree that Tiger should keep his mouth shut as it’s common knowledge that Tiger is tight with the dollar and won’t sign autographs because his signature is so valuable even though he has all the money in the world is probably close to being a billionaire.
“How many times are folks going to post the same story about Wang.
Does anybody read the comments before posting the same story multiple times? ”
Yeah it’s pretty annoying. I think it’s the same guy posting the same silly rumor over and over.
Hey guys new rumor, 29 teams interested in Joba Chamberlain! OMG who are we gonna get?
Once again, Wang is not going any where this season.
We need depth at SP.
Wang will probably be his normal self today and pitch a quality game (3 runs in six innings), irresepctive of whether we win or not.
It can happend during the off-season.
CB, you raise good points and I admit I missed the part where Harper basically credited the pen with bringing out the innate talent in Phil. I posted the link because there are lots of good quotes from Phil in there……To be fair, as well, even fans seem to think that Phil is a different pitcher in the pen – they forget about his starts prior to that. His command had been basically back and he was getting tons of K’s (though I don’t recall him pitching that well in Cleveland)..
In any case, his Wells quote speaks volumes for where Phil is confidence-wise. Also, he credits Eiland and the pitching staff for getting him “back on track” after a rough year and a half. I’ve seen Yankee fans basically rip apart Eiland for screwing around with Phil’s mechanics, for ruining Joba, etc…….It’s nice to see that Phil never blamed anyone for his issues. In fact, we never heard Phil complain or whine or even express overt frustration with his situation.
A good read on Ortiz,has fellow roider teamates,and his earlier rookie picture contrasted with his now photo.You be the judge. http://sportsdabbler.com
Haha wow who cares what Tiger says? The prices at the stadium ARE overpriced. Tickets, food, beer, it’s all way too expensive. You don’t like the guy because he speaks the truth?
86w183, we’ve done our HW, Chapman will look good in pinstripes
Having the same exact story and link posted in the same thread does not help the quality of the thread.
I too don’t find it particularly helpful or interesting.
That’s actually just basic internet courtesy to the people who took the initiative to post the link before you did.
Wang did not pitch well last out – again, I’ll be pretty happy even if the Yankees lose (which there is a highly probably chance against Doc) if Wang does well, but I admit I don’t have faith in him. That said, for the time being, we have to see what we have and if he can get back to being even a shadow of his former self. I would imagine Robertson/Tomko would follow him – I don’t think Joe would use Phil at this point?
Great to hear about Jesus Montero, but what does the team do with him? You can’t convert him to 1st since that position is locked up for a while. The Yanks need a catcher eventually, but not any time soon with Posada still there. Can he be a corner outfielder? I think they need an everyday corner outfielder for the future (Swisher is better as a 4th outfielder and Damon won’t be on the team forever).
55 July 4th, 2009 at 11:11 am
“If we believe that the Yanks can beat Roy, then they can.”
Is this serious? I can’t tell. If I believe the Earth is flat, does that make it true?
Not saying they can’t beat Halladay, but whether they can or can’t has nothing to do with our beliefs.
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How about paraphrasing this to; “If the team doesn’t think it can beat Halladay, it won’t.”
BBFan,
Chapman was playing Junior Tournaments when he first came on the scene 5 years ago. That’s when I first saw him and he was said to be 16 at the time.
FWIW, he looked like a teenager at that time.
So far, no documentation has refuted his age.
Could he be older? Of course.
However, without proof, its just baseless speculation.
Probably an attempt by agents who won’t represent him or by some MLB officials to keep his price down, since they know if his age isn’t a question mark, he’s a $50+ million dollar guy.
When Montero comes up, he’s coming up as a catcher, then we’ll see for sure whether he can stick at catcher.
“There were rumors at the WBC Chapman was 26. They were unfounded.
All the documentation available thus far shows he’s 21. If something comes up to show that documentation to be false. then you deal with it.”
SJ,
Way too much was made out of Curry’s story yesterday. People jumped to interpret it as Curry definitively reporting that Chapman was 26.
That’s not what Curry wrote. He only wrote that there were “reports” at the WBC that Chapman was 26.
He never characterized what those “reports” were. Rumors? WBC official suspicions? Suspicions from the opposition that Chapman wasn’t 21?
But all over the internet it started getting said that Chapman was lying about his age.
That’s not what Curry wrote.
But this is just part of all the machinations that will start from here on until he signs.
Nobody appointed me “blog cop”. Its common courtesy to no re-post the same story numerous times in a thread.
Don’t believe me? Read what others have to see in the thread about it.
Don’t like it? Too bad.
I think as early as next year Montero will come up and be part-time catcher part-time DH. I’m not sure if he will be ready but if he is this could work well.
Matsui is gone next year so the Yanks don’t have anyone dedicated to the DH slot. If Montero is ready the Yanks can have him and Posada play at DH and C. If one of them is catching the other can DH.
I like it, check out this lineup:
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Montero DH
Cano 2B
Jackson CF
Cabrera LF
That’s not bad.
Phillies won a WS last year and are setup to be competitive for the next several years, with their prime talent locked up and and their farm system is ripe again.
There is no reason for them to give up anything good for Wang. No team will… they will do their due diligence and see if they can buy him cheap. If not, they will stand pat.
“Nobody appointed me “blog cop”. Its common courtesy to no re-post the same story numerous times in a thread.
Don’t believe me? Read what others have to see in the thread about it.
Don’t like it? Too bad.”
SJ44,
Looks like you’re getting an attitude, I guy your age needs to keep his temper better.
If Montero keeps hitting like this, he has a great chance to make the team next year as a backup catcher.
We are talking about a 19 year old catcher with a .900+ OPS in AA. That just doesn’t happen all the time.
He’s a hitting freak. Even if his catching needs work, a bat that is ML ready like his, makes a 25 man roster.
If you were a team, would you give up top prospects to get Wang? The current Wang, with no guarantee of him returning to 19 game effectiveness.
Case closed.
“What Harper doesn’t realize is, Hughes was put in the bullpen BECAUSE of his success as a starter.”
Very good point. If Phil wasn’t great as a starter before Wang had to be moved to the rotation they 100% would have sent him to the minors.
But he was so good as a starter that it was just too clear that he was one of their 12 best pitchers. Hughes left no doubt about that and forced their hand to keep them.
And good for phil for doing so.
That’s the story. After that Baltimore game he could have crumbled or turned it around.
He turned it around in a big way. Every young pitcher needs to do that at some point.
CB,
The same thing is going to happen next year when a guy like Zach McAllister or maybe Jeremy Bleich.
There’s obviously not going to be any room for these guys in the big league rotation unless there’s a rash of injuries so we could very well see them get their opportunities to help the team out of the pen.
Perhaps Bleich will then become the next Dave Righetti and McAllister will become the next John Wetteland.
Most of us haven’t seen Montero play catcher so I’ll leave my judgement of which position he should play until I actually see the kid play the position.
“Chapman was playing Junior Tournaments when he first came on the scene 5 years ago. That’s when I first saw him and he was said to be 16 at the time.”
SJ, then he is more likely to be 21 than 26.
My temper is fine. You just decided to make something out of it because I, and others don’t want to see the same story linked numerous times in one thread.
If that is beyond your intelligence to understand, I apologize.
Tracko,
Yes I would. He is a #1 starter when he’s going well. His health is back and he’s improving every start out. If I were the GM of another team I’d expect to have to give up a top tier prospect or two to get Wang.
Anybody check the NY Post top 3 headlines today. I mean really.
Anybody see the rumor that the Yankees have interest in Pirates left handed reliever John Grabow? They said that the Pirates had scouts at the game against the Mariners Thursday, because the Yankees are eying grabow at being the 2nd left hander in their pen.
Have the Pirates become our designated farm team? It seems like we just pilfer them for players now haha
Regarding Montero, there should not be an issue with the roster next year.
Posada, Montero and probably Cervelli will be on the roster.
Cervelli will take Molina spot.
Montero will take Matsui spot.
The way I see it, Posada will catch half the games, DH about 40 games and rested 30-40 games. Montero and Cervalli will catch the remaining half of the games, split to be determined. When he is not catching, Motero will DH.
“My temper is fine. You just decided to make something out of it because I, and others don’t want to see the same story linked numerous times in one thread.
If that is beyond your intelligence to understand, I apologize.”
SJ44,
You can try to insult me all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that you have been condescending and you’re doing it again. I don’t have a problem with you perse, I agree with most of your opinions, but you don’t like to be challenge and I’m too old to allow you to bully me like you do some of these young posters.
If you can’t handle that, then that’s too bad then we’re just two older posters not getting along.
“Cito’s comment doesn’t bother me as much as Tiger Woods mouthing off about the prices at Yankee Stadium. I’ve never liked that guy and his comments don’t do anything to change that fact. The guy has more money than God and he’s complaining about ticket prices? Here’s a tip, Tiger – stick to Golf and keep your trap shut about the Yankees”
I don’t like Tiger either.
if he used his stage to complain of Yankee ticket prices, then power to him
BBFan I wish Cashman would stop toying around and pull the trigger on that Shelley Duncan, Eric Duncan, Wilkin Arias for Zach Duke deal.
Patrick —
You just had to put Swisher # 2 in your 2010 lineup didn’t you?
“You don’t like the guy because he speaks the truth?”
I don’t like Tiger for a whole host of reasons, which I won’t go into on this blog. I have no problem with the average joe complaining about the ticket prices because for us, they are too high. But for an almost billionaire to be complaining is a bit ridiculous. What’s next? Bill Gates is going to start complaining about how much he spends on gas to fill up his Benz?
I don’t think they carry 3 catchers next year unless one of the catchers can play another position.
I think its more likely they keep Montero, if he keeps hitting like this, and have Cervelli in AAA.
Depending on how they handle the corner OF situation, they will need the roster flexibility that carrying 3 catchers does not provide.
With the way Damon has declined as a fielder, I can’t see them bringing him back now.
A Jackson-Gardner-Cabrera OF is great defensively, lacking in offensive firepower. Especially from a power perspective.
You have to think they are going to add a corner OF with some pop.
They have the pieces internally to trade for one if the available FA’s aren’t to their liking.
They are sitting in a great spot and have a lot of flexibility. Different from years past.
I wonder if Tiger has priced memberships to Augusta National? The Yankees are clearly the # 1 franchise in baseballl so it stands to reason the prices at the stadium should be compared to the cost of beinh able to play a foursome at the nation’s top course, right?
I bet a family of four sittin in the bleachers spends a helluvalot less than a family of four purchasing gallery tickets for the Masters. And at the baseball game you get to see all the action not a tiny percentage of it.
In other words, Eldrick… STFU!
(Stop The Foolish Utterances)
“Is it not possible to extrapolate his age based on how long he has been playing for the cuban team(s)? Can such records be obained (I am not talking about just international competition)”
SJ knows much more about this than I do but part of the reason why Chapman is probably younger is that he hasn’t really been on the international scene that long.
There is simply no way Cuba would be stashing that arm for years in order to delay his entry into international competition so that he would have an age advantage.
Left handed pitcher who throws 100 – they don’t grow on trees.
So I’d have to think that Cuba would have wanted to get him into big time competition as quickly as possible – especially with Fidel getting older and older.
A guy with that kind of arm would be competing for the national club by the time he was 17-18. No later.
If Chapman was 26 then he should have been pitching for Cuba a good 6-8 years.
That means that he would have been very much in the discussion to be a key part of their 2004 olympic team in Greece.
But as far as I know – he wasn’t. He wasn’t even on the radar. And olympic baseball is a huge deal for Castro.
They weren’t going to delay him competing on that kind of stage in order to jimmy his age – not with that kind of arm.
Instead it was only the 2008 olympics where his name was hotly debated. They wound up keeping him off the team because they were so afraid he would defect. But he was a definite known by that time.
So while it’s hard to know what his exact age, the time line of when he became known on the international stage suggests that he is younger than 26.
“Who appointed you blog cop? You’re one of the best posters on this blog, but I think you can be quite condescending to others here”
STFU
“if he used his stage to complain of Yankee ticket prices, then power to him”
But vinny, isn’t he joining the party a bit late? I mean, the prices have been ridiculous from day one. *EVERYONE* has remarked on it. Frankly, I’m tired of hearing about it. The Yankees had no idea that the economy was going to go in the toilet. They thought that the Wall Street fat cats would be buying those seats. They were wrong. It is what it is. How long do we have to whine and moan about it? It’s the same with the bandbox talk. They can’t change the stadium dimensions until the off season. People need to stop whining about something that can’t be changed until the future.
86w,
It’s the only logical place for him to hit. He isn’t much of an RBI guy due to his low BA but his OBP is so great he just might fit in the 2 slot.
My 2010 lineup was silly anyways. We have no idea if Jackson or Montero will be ready for the majors. We also don’t know if Cashman will sign another OF.
I just hope Chapman is 21 and that the Yankees get him.
“Who appointed you blog cop? You’re one of the best posters on this blog, but I think you can be quite condescending to others here”
Well if you know that then that means you read the blog, if you read the blog then stop posting story reruns. We know TEX and PHI is interested we don’t need it posted 50 times.
Did anyone see the following trade rumor from Heyman? What could either the Phillies or the Rangers possibly have to offer that would entice the Yankees to trade Wang?
Here’s what mlbtraderumors reported, citing Heyman’s twatter.
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Saturday: Heyman says the Phillies offered “a prospect apparently not to Yankees’ liking” for Wang.
Friday: SI’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Phillies and Rangers are among the teams interested in Yankees righthander Chien-Ming Wang. We first learned of Philadelphia’s interest in the sinkerballer last weekend, but the Rangers are new to the discussion. With the recent news that Ben Sheets may not pitch all at this season, Texas could turn to Wang for help as they prepare to make a second half run at the first place Angels. They certainly have the young players to offer in exchange for Wang, or any other pitcher in the big leagues for that matter.
Wang famously struggled earlier in the season but has settled down of late, allowed three earned runs or less in his last four starts
Calvin from the Bronx’s poems really suck, like really sucks.
Arrgggg @ SJ44 for not even mentioning Swisher in the discussion about the 2010 outfield.
The folks I know in Miami who follow Cuban Baseball like we follow the Yankees tell me they believe he is only 21.
They are wired into the scene and even have some family members on the team.
He’s been a kid the Cubans have been talking about as their “child prodigy” for years.
He was kept off some travel teams because the government was afraid he was going to defect because he has talked (too much) openly about wanting to play MLB and play for the Yankees.
Often, the Cuban Government kept him off the travel team to their own detriment.
I think if he was 26, they would have punished the heck out of him (physically) and just destroyed his career as they did Paret in the early 90’s.
One of the reasons why I believe he is only 21 is the way the Cubans have treated him.
They have tried to reason with him (to stay) rather than punish him.
If he wasn’t young, there is no way they would have treated him like that.
“I don’t think they carry 3 catchers next year unless one of the catchers can play another position.
I think its more likely they keep Montero, if he keeps hitting like this, and have Cervelli in AAA.”
It should not be looked at carrying three catchers. One (Montero/Posada) is really filling in the DH spot and Cervelli is the backup catcher.
If it is only Posada and Montero, there will be srious issues. If the second one is DHinig, there is no backup catcher on the bench and it will complicate substitutions.
Hey guys did you hear that the Phillies and Rangers are interesting in Chien-Ming Wang?
I hadn’t heard about that until just now.
Patrick,
I don’t think Nick is going to be the starting RF next year.
The only reason he is the starting RF this year is Nady got hurt.
He will assume his role as the 4th OF/backup first baseman next year.
I think the Yankees are going to look to upgrade the corner OF positions, offensively and defensively, next year.
Lets say Chapman were 26. How great would that change his value?
I say not much. LH who throw that hard are special. And 26 is still plenty young.
““Who appointed you blog cop? You’re one of the best posters on this blog, but I think you can be quite condescending to others here”
Well if you know that then that means you read the blog, if you read the blog then stop posting story reruns. We know TEX and PHI is interested we don’t need it posted 50 times.”
Brandon,
When have I posted a story rerun?
WFAN can’t get anymore stupid
Wang for Shane Victorino is fair ?
I might just kill someone.
SJ44
You’d rather have Melky Cabrera starting in RF? That is laughable dude.
I agree that the Yanks will go out and get another outfielder but your dislike of Swisher is getting ridiculous.
“Brandon,
When have I posted a story rerun?”
Today.
AJ Burnett on today’s InnerView
Gardner in center in 2010? Has he shown enough consistancy to appoint him yet? A month ago Damon was guaranteed pinstripes in 2010. Now his bags are packed outside the stadium. I think we can get a better center fielder IMO.
Patrick —
You missed my point. You remain the only person I’ve come across who thinks it’s “logical” that a career .243 hitter who can’t run should hit second. He’s a bottom third of the order hitter in terms of his skills and productivity. Always has been, always will be.
You need to get over your pre-occupation with OBP and RSIP. Besides, Swisher’s career .355 is mediocre at best for a guy hitting second. Gardner, Jeter 1,2 makes a helluvalot more sense assuming Damon is out of the picture.
SJ44:
a little suprised you mentioned the possiblity of Montero being the backup catcher, next year.
don’t you think the yankees will insist on further developing his defensive game, before relying on him as the backup C?
If Wang gets traded, it won’t be until off season.
The Yankees are limited in pitching depth. They can’t afford to give up a starter mid season, unless someone blows them over with an offer.
I’d do Wang for Victorino or Jason Worth
Well not you, your defending the person that did it, so….that’s your bad not SJ’s, he’s clearly annoyed at seeing the same link posted.
Patrick,
Really? That’s news to me. You think we can get 10 links on it?
BBFan,
The problem is, they won’t use Montero strictly as a DH. He is going to have to catch. He’s not going to be replacing Matsui. He’s going to be replacing Molina.
It would hurt Montero’s development if he was on a ML roster and not catching at least 40-50 games next year.
He’s not a bad catcher. He has to get better but, he’s certainly good enough, with room to be better, to be a backup ML catcher defensively.
Its his bat that will put him on the roster next year, IMO. Its too good.
I believe Mike Piazza, a first ballot HOF, threw out 14% of the baserunners attempting to steal against him in his career.
Most pitchers, except for Al Leiter, HATED the way he called games. Even moreso than, “Posada-Gate” on here.
Yet, he caught everyday because of his bat.
If Mike Piazza can be an everyday catcher in the big leagues, Jesus Montero certainly can be a backup for the Yankees next year.
Guys, get off that Wang repost non-sense and let us focus on other conversations
Wang is not going anywhere this year.
“I’d do Wang for Victorino or Jason Worth”
That’s not enough at all. We get waaaaaaaay low balled.
““Brandon,
When have I posted a story rerun?”
Today.”
Brandon,
Get your facts right because I haven’t posted any stories today.
Patrick,
No, I’m not putting Melky as the starting RF next year.
I’m showing why the Yankees will go out and get a corner OF next year.
You want to put Swisher in that OF instead of Melky, it still doesn’t change the original premise of the post.
Its doubtful either guy is going to be starting in RF next year. They will upgrade the position.
“Brandon,
Get your facts right because I haven’t posted any stories today.”
Well not you, your defending the person that did it, so….that’s your bad not SJ’s, he’s clearly annoyed at seeing the same link posted.
What about Wang for Nelson Cruz?
86w,
Batting average should not have anything to do with choosing a 2 hitter. If you want to optimize your lineup you put the guys with the highest OBP at the top of the lineup. You don’t care about batting average because those guys at the top don’t need to drive in runs.
As a 2 hitter Swisher would do very nicely. I am only fixating on OBP in this situation because the guys at the top need to get on base. Thats really the only thing Swisher excels at so the 2 hole would work perfectly.
Victorino or Werth AND Ryan Madson might get it done.
The time to trade Wang was this past winter, we missed the boat.
Not many teams in the American league run that much.
You can find a chunk of games to allow Montero to catch next year in controlled situations.
You don’t play him against the Rays or the Angels for example.
If Andy is in the rotation you don’t have him catch andy because andy wants the catcher to dictate everything. You have him catch CC more often because CC is a pitcher’s pitcher and has great control.
They can find games for Montero. They can’t have him on the roster and not catch. That would doom him to being a DH.
But if they play it right – have him spend a ton of time working with Tony Pena and Girardi every day and have him follow Posada around everywhere while catching 40 games or so then that could work out very well.
“What about Wang for Nelson Cruz?”
Oh hell no.
“Victorino or Werth AND Ryan Madson might get it done.”
Keep going, that’s not even viable for a SP they are going to need and we also need.
I agree SJ they will get another outfielder but that doesn’t necessarily mean that Swisher doesn’t start.
I think it’s more likely that the following happens: Jackson stays in AAA to work on his swing, Cabrera and Gardner share CF, Swisher stays at RF, Cashman signs another outfielder to be the everyday LF.
It really doesn’t matter at this point, we shouldn’t be worrying about it but that’s what I think will happen.
“The problem is, they won’t use Montero strictly as a DH. He is going to have to catch. He’s not going to be replacing Matsui. He’s going to be replacing Molina.
It would hurt Montero’s development if he was on a ML roster and not catching at least 40-50 games next year.”
SJ, the way I see it:
Posada catches about 82 games.
Montero catches 50 games.
Cevelli catches about 32 games.
Posada and Montero will DH when they are not Catching, with a few days allocated at DH to rest other buys like A-
Rod and Jeter. If Posada or Montero catches more, that will reduce Cervelli’s games at Catcher.
It will not affect the rest of the roster as among the three they are not taking away any other roster spot (just DH and two catching positions which are part of any roster))
I think it will work, provided Montero is ready. Don’t you think so?
Who is our DH next year? Damon?
YES Inner-view with A.J. Burnett:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6222615562ec614d/
I’d be for Damon as a DH.
“Well not you, your defending the person that did it, so….that’s your bad not SJ’s, he’s clearly annoyed at seeing the same link posted.”
Brandon,
I’m don’t do bad just good.
Dude all this fantasy trade stuff with Wang is stupid. The Yanks aren’t going to trade him unless the Phillies (or any other team) offer several top prospects.
Vinny,
I think the way Montero is lighting up AA, the way Miguel Cabrera did in 2003, may change his progression through the system.
A bat like his is wasted in the minor leagues next year.
What he is doing in AA, and overall, is just not natural for a 19 year old. Even rarer for a 19 year old catcher.
With Joe Girardi and Tony Pena in NY, two catchers who can work with him everyday, can they use this kid for 40-50 games behind the plate and another 40-50 games at DH? If they can, what are the risks and can he handle it?
If they answer, “yes” to the above questions, I think he will make the team next year because his bat is too powerful to keep off the roster.
I look at it this way. Francisco Cervelli’s development as a catcher defensively has grown a lot by being able to work with Pena everyday and have a former catcher as his manager.
Imagine that kind of defensive growth curve for Montero, AND you add a bat as potent as his to the roster?
That takes it to a whole different level.
That’s why I think, if he continues this kind of offensive production, he has a great chance to be the backup catcher next year.
“Who is our DH next year? Damon?”
Posada.
All joking aside, I don’t think the Yankees are leaning towards keeping Damon, but making him the full time DH isn’t a bad idea. Matsui most certainly will be gone at the end of the season. Damon could be a good DH and play OF in emergency situations.
2010 team
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeria 1B
A-Rod 3B
Posada DH/C
Montero DH/C
Cano 2B
Melky/Garnder CF
Jackson CF
Power, speed, youth, athleticism. You can also replace Melky/Gardner with a better CF through trade.
Any chance the Yankees can sign Jason Bay? I can’t imagine Boston won’t open the vault to ensure he remains a Red Sux?
Nelson Cruz for Wang? Come on. Try Josh Hamilton and one of Texas’ premiere pitching prospects. CB, cite one.
Anything less and 100,000 Taiwanese-American will descend on Cashman’s Scarsdale home with picket signs and boycott threats. And I’d eagerly join them.
“The problem is, they won’t use Montero strictly as a DH. He is going to have to catch. He’s not going to be replacing Matsui. He’s going to be replacing Molina.
It would hurt Montero’s development if he was on a ML roster and not catching at least 40-50 games next year.”
If Damon agrees to last eyar of O’Neil kind of a deal for one year for 5 mil plus deferred money. Damon will not agree to it. He will not be offered arbitration.
“With Joe Girardi and Tony Pena in NY, two catchers who can work with him everyday, can they use this kid for 40-50 games behind the plate and another 40-50 games at DH? If they can, what are the risks and can he handle it”
SJ44:
you definitely valid points. And i Montero continues to hit, i believe it is the right view/direction to take.
providing, Montero is not subjected to Tony Pena’s ‘crazy-man drills’
Why not sign Giambi next year to be the DH?
He only signed a 1-yr deal with OAK, so he is a FA next year. We also have the DH spot open. Giambi can provide some lefty pop and OBP to the lineup and provide some leadership.
I’m not ocnvinced the Yanks will invest heavily in a corner OF for 2010. It could well turn out like this:
OUT — Matsui, Hinske, Ransom, Molina
IN — Austin Jackson, Montero, Cervelli, Pena
In this case, Cabrera, Swisher, Gardner, Damon and Jackson share OF/DH jobs with Posada/Montero also getting DH turns.
I hope the Yankees forget about Jason Bay.
Jesus is not going to be on the Yankees 25 man in 2010. ackson will be on the 40 and it’ll prbly be around June or July he takes over CF.
Yankees are serious about getting John Grabow apparently:
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/20.....in-pirates
Nobody in baseball carries 3 catchers for a reason. It creates roster inflexibility. Every game you give Cervelli to catch, takes away from Montero. you can’t do that.
Montero is the future behind the plate unless he shows he can’t catch. So far, that hasn’t happened.
Cervelli is not the future behind the plate for the Yankees.
In fact, it wouldn’t shock me if he was packaged with a pitcher or two to find a young, athletic OF.
With Montero and Austin Romine developing well, as well as some interesting guys in lower A ball, Cervelli may be a good piece to fill a hole on the team via the trade route.
Patrick,
Swisher is starting this year because Nady got hurt. If Nady was healthy, he would be the 4th OF.
He hasn’t done anything to show he’s an everyday OF option for the Yankees.
He’s an “ok” player. Not nearly as good as his biggest fans make him out to be. Nor as bad as his biggest detractors make him out to be.
Bottom line though, if the Yankees choose to upgrade the position, he’s the odd guy out because Jackson, Gardner and Cabrera are younger and bring more diverse talents to the table than Nick.
I still think he will be on the team next year. I just don’t think he is starting.
If he does, its because the Yankees couldn’t find a suitable replacement.
*Jackson*
rob Grabow if you can but that isn’t a real big move, if anything it’s to rest Coke’s arm, b/c Marte won’t be back.
DH candidates next year – Montero, Jorge Vasquez, Colin Curtis, Kevin Russo, Shelly Duncan
“Try Josh Hamilton and one of Texas’ premiere pitching prospects. CB, cite one. ”
KS,
If the Rangers wanted Wang I would insist on getting either Derek Holland or Neftali Feliz back – probably Holland. Those would be the minimum starting points. They are both 2 of the 10 best pitching prospects in baseball.
But it would take one of those two. And texas wouldn’t trade either one. So its a non-starter.
The only other way I’d think of it is if the club were to believe that Justin Smoak could play LF – and I don’t think he can.
Texas is in a heap of trouble. It’s now come out that the team has borrowed millions of dollars from Major League Baseball to meet its financial obligations because Tom Hicks is broke and already defaulting on debt.
I don’t even know if they’ll now have the money to sign their first round draft pick Matt Purke because he wants money that is way, way over slot. But the Rangers are now at least partially on the dole from MLB itself.
I can’t see Texas being all that willing to add any salary now. Which make the wang rumors even sillier. If they were true Texas would probably have some pipe dream of not only getting wang for peanuts in talent but having the yankees pick up his salary.
Kim Jones’ YES pre-game report:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/62226669ee7dd163/
does montero go to AAA this year or next before we bring him up just to see at least a sample size?
Hey everyone,
Please do not take this as me starting a senseless rumor or stating false news…this is ONLY whispers that i have gotten from a source.
I met a Yankee executive at Spring Training a couple years ago through a friend who is a very good friend with the Yankee front office worker. He isn’t that high, but high enough that he hears about some big trades. I sent him an e-mail about a possible Wang trade about 2 weeks ago and just got an e-mail back this morning. (as you can see i’m not a major priority, but still really nice for him to get back to me). But he said that the Phillies have already offered a trade for Wang, but it never even reached Cashman level, it was rejected flat out. The people in the proposed trade:
Wang, Montero and John Rodriguez FOR AA prospect and absolute STUD OF Michael Taylor, J.A Happ and Catcher Chris Coste.
**NOTE: I am not sure if this is true, what the credibility of this is, and I am not saying It’s true, so dont ban me for starting false news lol!
I’m just telling you what i have heard through the grape vine.
“DH candidates next year – Montero, Jorge Vasquez, Colin Curtis, Kevin Russo, Shelly Duncan”
All signs point to Vasquez. Montero won’t see NY until September.
Thanks Pel!
Giambi and his .197 Avg? Nope, that ship has sailed.
Laura,
At the beginning of the year, I thought Damon had a great chance of being able to come back. He would take less money and years to come back. He loves playing for the Yankees.
Unfortunately, his OF play has declined so rapidly, I don’t see a scenario in which they will bring him back next year.
As a fulltime DH? I think the Yankees have better options at the DH position next year. A mix of guys, possibly lead by Jesus Montero.
I like Johnny. I think he has been a great addition to the team, has certainly been worth the money they paid him, and I think, flaws and all, will still help them win games this year.
Next year? At least at this point, I think the Yankees are inclined to say, “thanks for the service” and move on.
I think if Montero is on the team next year, it’s bye-bye Johnny Damon.
I say that because they will want both Montero and Jorge in the lineup as much as possible. They’re not bringing him up to sit on the bench. Ergo, one will DH while the other catches.
Johnny didn’t do himself any favors with his tendency to poor OF play lately. If AJ, Melky, and Brett around, and DH going to Jorge/Jesus (forget M&M, now it’ll be J&J), that leaves Damon out, IMO. Especially if they get trade for an OF, or maybe keep Hinske for the bench.
We’ll just have to get Johnny his ring this year.
SJ —
I understand, but IF the DH duties were going to fall on Posada or Montero on a regular basis a third catcher (as an insurance policy) would make more sense than a second utility infielder, for example.
I also think — just based on watching him — you could plug Cervelli in at 3B in an emergency for a day or two. He certainly has the potential to do that better than Montero, Jorge or Molina could.
Still, I think your idea of Cevelli joining in a package to get a young, every day RF is the more likely outcome… but who? For what?
TThanks Jake, if that’s true Philly can take a flying leap.
SJ44
Your point about trading Cervelli is a good one. That’s a case of selling high. He has gotten alot of positve media exposure this year.
>Thanks Pel!
i see cervelli getting traded.
just can’t hit enough.
a 300 obp will not cut it no matter how much we like him.
SJ44,
We disagree on how good Swisher is, that much is certain. But there is no way you can tell me that he’d be the odd man out when compared with Jackson, Cabrera and Gardner. No way.
Basically you are telling me that the Yankees will sign 2 veteran, starting-caliber corner outfielders. If you don’t buy the fact that Swisher is a starter then we have 2 holes to fill – LF and RF.
There’s no way you can tell me that Cabrera or Gardner are starters and Swisher isn’t.
Ok I have to run, enjoy the game everyone. GO YANKS
“In fact, it wouldn’t shock me if he was packaged with a pitcher or two to find a young, athletic OF.”
I could see Cervelli getting traded if they think Montero is ready.
If some team for some reason thinks Cervelli could be their low cost starting catcher then Cervelli’s value to the yankees as a trade piece becomes greater than his value as a player to keep.
One of the most valuable parts of guys like Gardner and Cervelli and Pena doing relatively well in the majors is that it increases their trade value a great deal compared to how they were valued in the minors. With marginal or second tier prospects any major league success impacts their trade value a great deal.
“I say that because they will want both Montero and Jorge in the lineup as much as possible. They’re not bringing him up to sit on the bench. Ergo, one will DH while the other catches”
He’s not going to see a ML field until September. Jesus will go from AA to AAA.
Brandon,
All signs point to Montero because he’s a better hitter, and better fielder at his particular position, than Vasquez.
A 27 year old guy is supposed to dominate AA pitching. A 19 year old isn’t.
Big, big difference.
Giambi for DH? You do realize he’s batting .200 with a .380 SLG and an OPS of .744? I like Giambi quite a bit but I suspect his baseball career is numbered.
I only hope for your sake Stuart doesn’t read that suggestion.
Hamels, Happ, Moyer, Lopez, Blanton is enough to get to the playoffs in the NL. With that offense especially. Once you get there, anything can happen.
Yankees are serious about getting John Grabow apparently:
http://www.mlbdailydish.com/20.....in-pirates
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As long as the Yanks don’t give up too much to get Grabow, I’m OK with the move. I could see sending Jonathan Albaladejo and Edwar Ramirez to Pitt for him…but not anyone better than that.
Grabow is better against righties for his career than he is against lefties.
Pass.
SJ you heard Cashman, you think they are going to rush Jesus, yes he’s very good, but unless he learns immensely how to be a catcher I don’t see them not putting him in AAA, there is no rush and you yourself even said how high the Yankees are on Team Mexico.
Brandon,
If Montero continues to hit like this, the Yankees aren’t wasting 400 AB’s for him in AAA next year.
It would be a waste of time to put a kid that is just about ML ready offensively in AAA for a year.
If the Yankees did that, it would be a mistake.
Its akin to saying Joba Chamberlain needed to go to AAA to start 20 games before calling him up to the majors.
When guys are ready, guys are ready and Montero is just about ready for primetime.
KS,
I’d be wary of Jason Bay. To me it looks like the AL is finally learning how to pitch to him. He’s a very good hitter. But it looks like he’s headed for contract that pays him way too much.
He has bad knees. And he’s a terrible defensive LF. I can’t see him doing well in the large LF at yankee stadium at all. He’ll give back a good chunk of the value his bat creates.
Also, I think Bay will be a test for the Sox front office. They literally have no power hitting prospects close to major league ready, especially in the OF. They can’t replace bay internally. Papi, varitek lowell, etc are all a year older. Where do they get production?
They either resign Bay or trade some of their young pitching. If they want to get a good LF that means they’ll have to trade Buchoolz which they don’t want to do.
So I don’t know how Bay fits with the yanks. LF next year is a real uncertainty at this point for the yankees.
I think it’ll be a trade of some kind.
Montero will face better competition in AA than he will in AAA.
AA has top prospects, most of which spend the entire year there.
AAA is where he will get to face the Igawas, Casey Fossums, and Josh Towers of the world. Shelly Duncan looks good in AAA.
wow, touching tribute to Lou one YES, with the Yankees reading different parts of Gehrig’s speech……
this is the perfect time to trade cervelli.
i also think damon is gone.
he can’t play the of anymore & he is always hurt.
cash will pass on him unless he has an absolute great rest of the year while staying healthy.
damon & sui are gone.
i can see montero backing up posada if he continues mashing.
i just don’t know if it is out of st or at some point during the year or if the yankees wan’t too see him in AAA & i don’t know who will back up posada until montero comes up.
will we sign molina,trade cervelli?
i think we should trade cervelli.he is not our future catcher & we will maximize our return on him now to get an outfielder,pitcher or bullpen help.
Pel, thanks!! I’m going to watch that now – can you also post the link to the Phil one from Tuesday? I can’t find it anywhere on YES. Thanks!
The Lou Gehrig tribute made me teary. What a ball player, what a great man.
“Nobody in baseball carries 3 catchers for a reason. It creates roster inflexibility. Every game you give Cervelli to catch, takes away from Montero. you can’t do that.
Montero is the future behind the plate unless he shows he can’t catch. So far, that hasn’t happened.”
SJ, somehow you are hung up on the three catchers thing and are not seeing the logic beyond it. If all can catch that is s great thing, but if you are going to use Posada and Montero as DH as well with Montero ctching about 50+ games, it does not create roster inflexibility. Three of them together are occupying the DH and two catcher spots on the roster. They are not taking away any OF or IF or Bench sports on the roster.
“Cervelli is not the future behind the plate for the Yankees.
In fact, it wouldn’t shock me if he was packaged with a pitcher or two to find a young, athletic OF.”
Agree 100%. Cervelli is in the wrong place at the wrong time to remain a Yankee. Montero’s bigger bat, if he can hit a curveball, is the kind of weapon that forces its way into the lineup and overcomes objections about a catcher’s defense.
Now, who is the target young athletic OF – that’s the more interesting question.
They rushed Melancon when he wasn’t ready
Do not do the same to Montero
SJ the question is if Jesus is ready for primetime as a PT player. Your talking about him being a bench player and getting PT ABs. Unless you just want him to be Edgar Martinez. They said many many times he will go to AA, he went, next is AAA. He prbly goes there. And on Jorge Vasquez he’d be the perfect DH, he’s a veteran, has gone against ML competition, will likely adjust off the bench as a PT player.
Brandon,
I’ve heard Cashman plenty of times:
“Bubba Crosby is my CF”.
“We can’t sign Mark Teixeira, CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett in one off-season”.
“All of our problems can be solved from within”. Two days later, he acquires Eric Hinske.
Don’t take what Cash says publicly as gospel.
If Jesus Montero keeps hitting like this, and carries it into ST next year, he’s on this roster.
They aren’t wasting his bat in AAA.
Where was A-Rod during the Lou Gehrig tribute????
Where was A-Rod during the Lou Gehrig tribute????
We’re not carrying 3 catchers exactly… we’re carrying 2 catchers/DHs and one back up catcher. Two of those guys will be in the lineup almost everyday. Montero won’t be called up here to sit on the bench.
So basically, Posada or Montero would take Matsui’s spot on the roster as the only DH except they can catch too.
“I’d be wary of Jason Bay. To me it looks like the AL is finally learning how to pitch to him. ”
Good observation.
See where his average now, down to 260s.
The players LOVE Cervelli, especially the veteran pitchers like Burnett.
No way they will trade him, he will be the backup catcher next year.
if we can trade cervelli for a need like the pen,pitching or an outfielder we should do it when we can if we can.
we can always sign molina or a temporary catcher until montero or another one of our catchers are ready.
i think all 3 of our of positions are a question mark so if we can get a rf,lf,or cf we should.
ajax can always play a corner of position.
“They rushed Melancon when he wasn’t ready
Do not do the same to Montero.”
True, rushing players is wrong, but Melancon’s a pitcher and Montero’s a catcher. Different issues, no?
IF Montero makes the big club with the plan for him to catch 40-50 games and DH at least that many than a 3rd catcher will be needed. You don’t want both of your catchers in the lineup very often and certain not 2/3 of the time.
Bru — Damon is always hurt? In a word NO!
He’s on pace to appear in 140+ games for the 14th consecutive season. I guess I’m in the minority here, but I’m fairly certain he will be back, but he’ll spend more time as a DH than as a LF. He has an .896 OPS this year and was at .832 last year. He won’t be back at the same salary, but if’s reasonable financially he’ll return.
Pel, also – is that supposed to be a video or audio? I didn’t get the former, just the latter…….thanks!
Brandon,
If Jesus Montero played everyday in the majors right now, he would probably hit .250 with 15 dingers.
You don’t realize how special he is because the Yankees haven’t had ANYBODY like this in their farm system in decades.
We are talking Vlad Guerrero, Arod, Miguel Cabrera type of talent and the guy is a catcher!
Guys like that don’t toil in AAA.
His weaknesses behind the plate can be fixed by Tony Pena at the big league level. His bat is too good to keep in AAA.
He will develop more on a big league roster than he will playing in Scranton.
Some guys come along that are simply too good for minor league baseball. Miguel Cabrera was like that and the Marlins didn’t even have a place to put him when they called him up in 2003.
Montero has a place. Backup catcher and part-time DH.
Unless he falls off the map the rest of the year, I think its 80/20 he’s on the roster in 2010, regardless of what Cash says publicly.
Melancon and Montero are two different prospects. One guy is a relief pitchers 2 years removed from major surgery.
The other is a Top 5 prospect who may be the best power hitting prospect in baseball right now. Big, big difference.
“The players LOVE Cervelli, especially the veteran pitchers like Burnett.
No way they will trade him, he will be the backup catcher next year.”
Baseball’s a business. The players will find something to love about a 19-20 year old, light-tower, power hitter too.
We had a shot to trade Melky high in 06 and acquire someone like Dontrelle Willis and we missed the boat
If you can trade Cervelli for something good, do it. Do not treat backup players like stars. Maximize their value like Theo does. Theo was able to get Gagne, a stud setup man, for Kason Gabbard who is like Karstens.
Lets go Yankees!
i feel like a-rod’s day off should have been today. halladay has this way of making good hitters look bad and sending them into slumps. good day to keep alex out and not screwed up by facing halladay.
“We had a shot to trade Melky high in 06 and acquire someone like Dontrelle Willis and we missed the boat
If you can trade Cervelli for something good, do it. Do not treat backup players like stars. Maximize their value like Theo does. Theo was able to get Gagne, a stud setup man, for Kason Gabbard who is like Karstens.”
Seriously? Gagne and Willis are “missed boats”?
We had a shot to trade Melky high in 06 and acquire someone like Dontrelle Willis and we missed the boat
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is this a serious endorsement of that trade? melky is hitting and fielding, and willis is terrible, and on the DL for anxiety for a second time. if that was ever even a trade possibility, thank you cashman for not doing that.
Melancon’s struggles are so shocking because many here proclaimed him the savior and the heir apparent to Rivera before he ever did anything.
The expectations on the guy were set too high right from the outset.
SJ, I know how special Jesus is, trust me I know. I still don’t see them rushing him.
Remember… Doc Halladay is on the mount today. 1-2 runs may be the ball game. Wang must pitch a shutout.
“We had a shot to trade Melky high in 06 and acquire someone like Dontrelle Willis and we missed the boat”
From the bottom of my heart, THANK YOU CASHMAN !
“If you can trade Cervelli for something good, do it. Do not treat backup players like stars. Maximize their value like Theo does. Theo was able to get Gagne, a stud setup man, for Kason Gabbard who is like Karstens.”
Gagne? are you serious? Gagne did horrible for the Sox. I wish they kept him longer
1. Melancon may not have been quite ready, but I think the reason he was brought up was that they needed BP help. Remember, early in the season, the starters weren’t lasting long enough, and the pen suffered as a result.
2. I know some, including SJ, theorize that Wang might be dealt in the offseason, rather than now. I don’t think that will happen. Just like they need a certainty about the rotation now, it will be the case in 2010 as well. Remember, Hughes is slotted to be Andy’s repalcement in the rotation; who would repalce Wang? Guys like Bleich, McAllister, or Brackman will not be ready, and will also have IP issues. Cash is rightly setting the team to win with starting pitching. Unless it’s one doozy of a deal, I don’t see Wang going anywhere.
(Watch, he be dealt next week. (j/k))
“All of our problems can be solved from within”. Two days later, he acquires Eric Hinske.
Didn’t Cashman make that comment before they knew Nady needed to have surgery, and that was the reason they traded Hinske?
If the kid can hit its not really rushing him. Why let him rot in AA/AAA?
Brandon,
That’s my whole point. They wouldn’t be rushing him. He will be ready. Especially for spot duty.
Some guys beat the timetable. Jesus just may be one of those guys.
Brandon,
That’s my whole point. They wouldn’t be rushing him. He will be ready. Especially for spot duty.
Some guys beat the timetable. Jesus just may be one of those guys.
>can you also post the link to the Phil one from Tuesday?
If you go back to that game thread, I’m sure that clip will be posted there.
>Pel, also – is that supposed to be a video or audio?
Only audio.
Stupid FOX blackouts.
Anyone know anywhere you can watch online for free?
a couple of outs and wang’s era will finally be under 10. baby steps!
“Maximize their value like Theo does. Theo was able to get Gagne, a stud setup man, for Kason Gabbard who is like Karstens.””
This is a great example of how in some yankee’s fans eye Theo walks on water and can never, almost by definition, make a mistake. If theo makes the move it is by definition a great move just because he made it.
Gagne? Seriously? That was an awful trade. Awful. Engel Beltre was included in that deal and he’s an outstanding high ceiling prospect.
And while Gabard and Murphy aren’t great they were still two trade pieces that theo could have used to make another deal.
The gagne trade was giving up talent for no return.
It’s amazing – theo can make one of worst mid-season trades of the past few years and he still gets credit for it. It becomes an example of how the red sox run their team well?
The Yanks are absolutely delighted they never traded for Willis or Gagne.
Both have been complete disasters the last couple of years to the point that people feel sorry for them because of how far they’ve sunk.
*sigh* no game for me, thanks FOX.
I’m going to protest by watching the Twilight Zone marathon instead, lol.
K-Man
July 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
We had a shot to trade Melky high in 06 and acquire someone like Dontrelle Willis and we missed the boat
If you can trade Cervelli for something good, do it. Do not treat backup players like stars. Maximize their value like Theo does. Theo was able to get Gagne, a stud setup man, for Kason Gabbard who is like Karstens.
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It wasn’t just Gabbard. David Murphy was also in that trade and I’m not sure but possibly one more player. Murphy was starting for Texas last year till he got hurt.
Happy 4th of July to Pete and everyone. God bless you all and stay safe.
# Angel (OPPC) – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing July 4th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
*sigh* no game for me, thanks FOX.
I’m going to protest by watching the Twilight Zone marathon instead, lol.
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Haven’t found anywhere to watch for free, but you can listen here at least:
http://stream2.wtsnam1270.com/WTSN468.swf
Happy Birthday America!
YES just showed Melky Cabrera on the “defensive schematic” using Swisher’s picture.
heh
Happy 4th everyone!
Let’s go Yanks! Let’s go Wang!
Here is a link for the game online in case anyone needs it:
http://www.atdhe.net/5632/watc.....vs-yankees
Wang!
nice going wang
CB
Another good Theo trade was Arroyo for Pena. And then later that season they were looking for pitching.
Wang’s ERA now 9.80
“Seriously? Gagne and Willis are “missed boats”?”
Yes, we call them Titanic and Edmund Fitzgerald.
Thanks S.A.!
Lets do Roy like we did Santana
can we hit Holliday or should I mow the lawn?
No problem Bob!
Greg D July 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
can we hit Holliday or should I mow the lawn?
Mow the lawn man
Damon Walks
The Yankees begin…
Deciphering Halladay…
Captain’s conundrum…
The Yankees begin…
Deciphering Halladay…
Captain’s conundrum…
randy,
I don’t know if you’re reading – but you’ve postedbefore about how Wang should shift the way he pitches by relying on his four seam fastball more in order to build up arm strength. I didn’t think that would work.
You were right. That’s exactly what he’s doing. He’s throwing way more 4 seamers and sliders than he has in years.
After the last game Posada and Wang talked about an adjustment they made. If wang doesn’t have his two seamer they aren’t pushing the issue – which is what they were doing earlier in the year. They kept going back to it. Now they are seeing if its there and if not shifting to the four seamer.
Wang looked good that first inning but it was mostly four seamers.
Very interesting. It’s good to see him be able to do this.
It’s possible that Wang might become a more complete pitcher after this ordeal is over. His slider looks better than it ever has before.
mo the lawn while listening to the game. Win win.
Wish I watch the game
AROD!!!
S.o.S.
great idea
YES!
ALEX & DAMON DRAW FIRST BLOOD!!!!!!!!
Nice call ump
nice arod!
LOVE seeing Alex go to RF. He’s about to explode.
1 run feels like 10 against Halladay.
Not only is Alex clutch! But he is clutch against Doc Halladay! 1 run in the 1st against him! I almost can’t believe it.
Only one run? Man. That A-rod sure is the most unclutch player ever
Let’s get another run
“mo the lawn while listening to the game. Win win.”
John and Suzyn = lose, lose haha
That was a bang-bang play but ump got it right.
we are winning!!!
Barajas tagged his own leg first ha
Absolutely huge hit and wonderful base running by Damon.
ARod did a fantasic job up at the plate. He really stayed within himself and didn’t try to do too much with a man in scoring position. He inside outed that fastball on the inner half of the plate. Great hitting in context of the game.
With Halladay you just aren’t going to get many chances.
He’s coming off the injury and you have to score early if the opportunity is there. Against the rays he was very good – but not Halladay good. Hopefully he’s still building back his strength but not there yet.
Thank you SA!
Now I am free from listening to John and Suzyn.
It truly is Independence Day!
I know it’s redundant at this point, but MAN, is Cano ever putrid with men in scoring position.
I heard that it was in Cano’s contract that he’s not allowed to get a hit with runners in scoring position, and well, we wouldn’t him to void his contract now would we?
Good point cgs. Time to have the surround sound face the windows.
# Donnie – Will Meet Roy Halladay Under the O’Neill Banner July 4th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I know it’s redundant at this point, but MAN, is Cano ever putrid with men in scoring position.
I don’t know if I can really judge him against Holladay ; /
Wang looks pretty good. Hasn’t thrown too many sinkers yet though. Looks like his front shoulder is staying closed and he’s staying back nice.
Halladay blinks first…
Demystifying the Doc…
Yankees determined…
Someone the other day was insisting that Swisher was as good a base runner as Damon is because some base running stat on baseball ref were the same.
Yeah – no way Swisher is scoring on that base hit.
Damon is bad in the field now but its his judgement on balls in the air rather than his range. He still runs well.
Lou Gehrig’s numbers are just ridiculous. Seriously. What a player.
i dont care what the papers say. there is no way ou trade wang. when he is finally back to normal, we have 3 aces, and hughes and joba. besides joba struggling each start, ill take that starting 5 anyday.
Wang needs to get the ball down
Now I am free from listening to John and Suzyn.
It truly is Independence Day!
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Hahahahahahaha
0-2 walk
damn, wang
“We’ll never know how much steroids helped him drive in that run” Buster Olney
wang should’ve put overbay away when he could’ve.
Bloop double
Come on Wang don’t give it back. Double play ball here.
goddammit
Oh no
Eeek well good thing we got that run in the first.
oy
and NOW he gets the DP
settle down wang…you got a bit unlucky that inning but its hard to forgive a 0-2 walk
So Wells decides to hit like an all star in this series. Rios doing what Rios always does against us.
Yankee killers
Rios
Scuttaro
Millar
??
All started with a walk where he had Overbay 0-2…
Thats just bad bad..
Got dp though, but he cannot afford to walk people…
man that DP came one batter too late.
Actually S.A. maybe I shouldn’t thank you for the link.
I can’t stand watching Wang pitch.
What inning will Hughes be in to mop up for him today?
The only issue I have with that inning is walking Overbay after having him 0-2. That’s unacceptable.
would hate to see Cervelli traded.
personally, i don’t forsee the return on Cervelli, enough to justify moving him. (ie minimum return)
maybe if NYY trades for an OF’er next year, and the other team demands Cervelli and the 3rd player it would make sense
I actually think Wang is pitching pretty well. Come on, offense!
Wang might have given up 2 but this looks like classic Wang. Getting groundballs, weak flyballs. Great sign. Also this isn’t the same Roy Halladay we’re used to seeing. Slight groin pull, doesn’t look like he has his control completely squared away.
The walk was the killer there not the two base hits.
The double was so poorly hit. And that Wang threw a very good pitch to Wells. Down in the zone and the ground ball just got past wang and into CF.
Ground ball pitchers who pitch to contact without striking a lot of guys out can be successful – but only if they show outstanding command.
Walking hitters kills them because they don’t have that much control where the ground balls they give up wind up.
Wang can’t walk guys. Never mind when he has them down 0-2
Bloop double, screaming line drive caught thats baseball
Happy Birthday America, George M. Cohan (born on the 3rd but celebrated on the 4th and native of RI!) and George M. Steinbrenner – the true hero in “current” Yankee lore.
I figured out Kate Hudson’s appeal (for Arod) a while ago. It has nothing to do with Kate, who does not have the prototypical muscular, male-looking body that Arod seems to adore. It’s all about Kurt Russell! If you remember, Kurt Russell was going to be a professional baseball player before he got injured. So Arod is courting Kate to get close to Kurt! Or maybe it was Kurt’s character in Bull Durham that Arod adores!
j/k – I think.
GO YANKEES!
GO MARINERS!
Matsui!!!!!!!
Yup, the walk killed him there.
He looks good so far. He’s getting the ball hit on the ground.
Just can’t walk guys at 0-2. Cost him two runs that inning.
Hideki has been so clutch lately.
A thrilla by Godzilla
syonara
Matsui picks up his pitcher and the game is ultimately back to 0!
there is your nr. 5 hitter….
MAtsui
matsui!
Bob(the original) July 4th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Actually S.A. maybe I shouldn’t thank you for the link.
I can’t stand watching Wang pitch.
What inning will Hughes be in to mop up for him today?
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Wang had some bad luck there. Watch!
Sui!!!! 2-2 game
Matsui picks up Wang.
Now we need some zeros from Wang. He’s throwing the ball well enough today to get outs. He just can’t walk people.
thanks for working the count melk. get roy out of the game as soon as possible
2 runs against Halladay already? Don’t think he’s got his good stuff today.
2-2- bottom of the 2nd 2 outs
Matsui is such an innately good hitter. He really is.
Even now with those bad wheels he still has such a good swing.
His base often seems like it isn’t stable enough to support his hips and upper body as he swings.
But despite that he still is able to put it together enough to be productive.
S.A.–The sun will come out tomorrow; I’m down with the OPPC July 4th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Bob(the original) July 4th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Actually S.A. maybe I shouldn’t thank you for the link.
I can’t stand watching Wang pitch.
What inning will Hughes be in to mop up for him today?
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Wang had some bad luck there. Watch!
Sui!!!! 2-2 game
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Well, it is a little blurry so it’s not easy to see the ball. lol
gardner had no shot on that curve
Tomorrow is a the 80th game!
You don’t work counts against Halladay. You see a good pitch, you swing.
You try and work counts against him, you are sitting 0-2 most nights because, like Maddox, he’s too smart and doesn’t nibble.
You don’t attack every pitcher the same way.
A guy who has walked 15 guys in 16 starts is not a, “work the count” guy.
Alright Wang, nice and easy here please
2-0 not good
Halladay is up to 33 pitches. That’s usually the equivalent of 2 games for him against the yankees.
He only lasted 6 innings against the Rays. And it wasn’t because of effectiveness. I think he tired. IIRC he only threw 88 pitches that last game.
This ump is crap, ball 2 was a strike
How slow is Barahas
CB,
I thing when Matsui is on hes on. But when he struggling which is every other week, he seems to fall away from the pitch. Its frustrating to watch at times knowing he continues to do it.
After Wang beats Halliday today, i can see the new rumor being Wang for Halliday with Rios included. Link posted 6x in 30 minutes.
Holy crap Suzyn Waldman looks freakin mental
Rod Barajas could be a long lost Molina brother.
He is slow.
CB, Matsui is still a very good hitter despite his weak left knee…You’re right about the lack of lower support, however if he can transfer and shift weight quickly, he still can drive through the ball before his knee collapses…..Reminds me so much of watching Mantle in his final days hitting from the left side…..So similar watching that left knee buckle when he shifts….Does any of that make sense ????
good grab by melky to save that out
Qwerty July 4th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Holy crap Suzyn Waldman looks freakin mental
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Looks?
Is.
good boy Melky
Man Wang looks pretty good
nice inning for Wang!
Nice inning for Wang
Wang has looked really good so far today.
One walk cost him two runs. Other than that, he’s looked like the old Wang.
If he is back, this is the best team in the AL the second half of the year.
Four guys who can go 7+ each start, to go along with a revampled bullpen, makes them a very dangerous team to play.
“You don’t work counts against Halladay. You see a good pitch, you swing.
You try and work counts against him, you are sitting 0-2 most nights because, like Maddox, he’s too smart and doesn’t nibble.
You don’t attack every pitcher the same way.
A guy who has walked 15 guys in 16 starts is not a, “work the count” guy.”
That is true.
But today it looks like the does not have the same level of control so it is not a bad idea to work the count up. Also, as it is only the second start after coming from DL, they may not let him pitch more than 100 pitches.
SoS,
He’s always been streaky but this year I think it’s different. He varies much more even game to game – and I think that depends on how his knees happen to feel that day.
My sense is that he is trying to pull the ball even more this year in order to cheat and generate more power. He doesn’t have the legs that he had and he just isn’t able to generate the torque from his lower half needed to hit he ball hard.
As such he’s been trying to jerk the ball more with his arms. That’s why he looks so bad at times.
But I think that’s influenced with how his knees feel that day.
He was the Ripken of Japan. And it’s ruined him. Playing all of those consecutive games on that awful turg they have n Japan just wrecked his knees.
It was great that he came over to the states when he did so we could see him when he was close to his prime.
Seattle scores. 2-1 Boston
These red hats are hideous
“Man Wang looks pretty good”
so… Wang Man looks good. Wald Man doesn’t. Got it.
Qwerty July 4th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Holy crap Suzyn Waldman looks freakin mental
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I don’t see the purpose of making a post like this. If you don’t like her, don’t listen to the broadcast.
Jeter tried to drive that deep to center. Just missed it.
Wells is a hater
yankees area facing halladay must better than usual
Barajas has a bad hamstring. He didn’t want to go on the DL and is trying to play through it.
He is normally slow but is especially slow now that he is playing at less than full speed.
Roy must be aware of Damons numbers off of him
David Cone is stupid lol
Haahhaha at Cone with the ice cream.
Tex!!!!
Wang – 34 pitches through 3 innings. 65% strikes. 6 ground outs to 3 fly outs. Couple of key double plays.
That’s the Wang we know.
And the yankees are getting snake bitten with hard contact getting hit at fielders but if they continue having these at bats they are going to score.
Halladay is not right. He might make an adjustment to more curves and changes. But he’s not himself.
That might be the hardest ball Jeter has hit off of Halladay in his career.
It’s an Ice Cream Cone.
Somebody please tell me they screencapped Cone with the ice cream facial.
We better get Halladay while we can.
Sweet Lou,
I wasn’t posting about her broadcasting ability (which is abysmal), I was posting about the way she looks today. She looks very odd, from her reading glasses, red white and blue vest, to her facial expressions. Just scary.
Anyways.. Halladay does not look like himself today. A lot of very hard hit balls, 2 walks and a lot of hitters counts.
A-Rod has to at least hit a fly ball to get a run in. A hit is better, but that is too much aksing for a ssecond hit against Hallady.
Damon has great numbers against Doc so he is going to get pitched differently than say, Cabrera and Gardner.
Johnny can be more selective. Melky and Brett? Less so because if they get in a hole against Doc, its curtains.
Man wouldn’t it be great if Matsui was coming up to bat?
oh no… cano
Those of us yesterday discussing the postgame interview issue with Kim Jones yesterday she just posted on her blog that they had a camera malfunction that is what she was discussing with Zillo not that Suzyn beat her to the punch
http://kimberlyjones.mlblogs.com/
Come on Cano!!!
Crap… Now Robbie must right the ship
Our hope of getting that run in is Cano? Lovely.
come on Robbie
Cano’s RISP problems continue.
Oh hey look Cano fails with RISP, that’s new
Bat Cano 8th!
what a waste of an opp.
Cano doing FANTASTIC in the 5 spot.
Ohhhh Crap… Again horrible hitting… Have to get that run in from 3rd… To much pressure on Wang now
it looked promising but halladay is a beast for a reason
shocking Cano did not come thru with RISp…
what a suprise..
hey if they are up or down by 5 later on he will get a hit…………….
they need to move down cano and swisher period the end…………………
And Robbie Cano once again shows why hitting him 5th is a mistake.
Just not a #5 hitter. Like forcing a square peg in a round hole. It doesn’t fit.
Gotta keep puttin’ up zeroes Wang and hope the right guys are at bat in RBI situations.
Is there any medicine out there that someone can take for being allergic to hitting with men in scoring position?
Robbie now 0 for his last 17 with RISP and one RBI since June 17.
That does not a #5 hitter make.
“And Robbie Cano once again shows why hitting him 5th is a mistake.
Just not a #5 hitter. Like forcing a square peg in a round hole. It doesn’t fit.”
Who do you suggest it should be?
Matsui? Posada?
Lets not give Alex a free pass. He had first and third with 1 out and wasted the out.
uhmm… Wang still leaves to many up in the strikezone… Need to get the ball down on a consistant basis
I understand what Girardi is trying to do.
In a perfect world, Cano should be the #5 hitter on the team, given his skill level.
However, the world isn’t perfect and the data, as well as your eyes, show you he isn’t good in RISP situations and has been really poor in these situations all season.
The issue at this point isn’t whether or not he should be moved out of that spot. Its when do you do it and its startin’ to get late early to make the choice to move him.
Many are saying that Wang is pitching well.
To me it looks like he is lucky they are not hiiting him more. He is leaving so many balls up in the zone. That double is a good example.
0-2 on Wells
PUT HIM AWAY, WANG!
Cano has problems with RISP. That’s a given.
He’d have problems if he was batting 6th, 8th, 2nd, 9th.
You can’t hide. Those issues have a way of finding you.
GJ Wang!
GJ!
Umm why not? He’s responsible for one of the two runs they DO have. He can’t come through every single time. Its there are 9 other hitters on the team.
Alex is supposed to come through all the time? Heck yeah, I’m giving him a pass – he’s got more clutch right now in his pinky that Cano does in his entire body. Girardi is just being stubborn now – he’s hurting the team by keeping Cano in the 5th spot. Cano is tremendously disappointing with RISP – is Kevin Long at least working with this guy to change his approach? It’s reaching ridiculous proportions.
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood)
You don’t want him behind the best hitter in the lineup though. They will pitch around Alex to pitch to Cano.
It’s to the point now where Girardi may have to move cano out of the 5th slot for his own mental health.
Cano himself is now talking about the issue with the press. If he’s doing that you know it’s on his mind a lot.
The strange thing with Cano is that he just stops hitting line drives with men on base. No line drives. It’s all ground balls.
And moving Cano is absolutely nothing like moving Tex out of the three hole or Alex out of the 4 hole when they were struggling.
Cano doesn’t have anywhere close to the body of work that either Tex or Alex have and he’s nowhere close to as good a hitter.
The weight of this problem is just accumulating and Cano is not responding.
Wanger at 44 pitches.
30 strikes, 14 balls
I was a bit worried about him coming into this game, but so far he gets a thumbs up from me.
If Wang is back to being Wang, watch out world
Batting Cano 5th = Insanity (doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results).
Wang looks for the sign…
Corvidae in the crosshairs…
Taiwan exultant…
SOS,
Alex carries the offense on his back and his success rate is much higher than Cano’s in RISP situations.
We are talking about a guy hitting .200 with RISP this year.
Can’t beat fifth in an AL lineup with those numbers.
If Matsui can play everyday, I bat him in that spot and put Cano 7th or 8th. On days Matsui can’t play, put Posada in that spot and have Swisher available to split the lefties.
Its going to be tough to stay much longer with Cano in the 5th spot if he can’t hit with RISP.
As far as someone telling me what Girardi has said about it, Girardi also said, “Brian Bruney is my 8th inning guy the other day” hasn’t seen the 8th inning since.
At some point, production triumphs over feelings.
This is where ( # 5 spot ) Matsui is most missed and complicated by the loss of Nady….Matsui was the ideal hitter in the 5 spot, shame he’s just so limited now….With Cano, the jury is still out, and could be for awhile…..
This AtBat app is actually a pretty decent app.
Posada!!!
Wish I could watch the game. Bos/Sea is available… ugh.
HIP HIP JORGE!!!!!!!!!!!!
CMW is mixing it up, and dealing. That K of Lind (a very good hitter) was very encouraging.
Jorge!
Wow that was a BOMB by JoPo
Halladay is definitely off today. I don’t ever remember us scoring 3 runs off of him this early.
Hip hip Jorge!!!!!
Wow he crushed that
“To me it looks like he is lucky they are not hiiting him more. He is leaving so many balls up in the zone. That double is a good example.”
There’s two issues. First, he’s throwing many more four seam fastballs than he did before. Those aren’t going to sink and many of his pitches up in the zone are 4 seamers not meant to sink.
The other is that he’s still making more mistakes than he usually does as his command isn’t entirely back.
But on the whole he’s not particularly getting lucky. He’s still generating a good number of ground balls and very weak fly balls.
I’m guessing Halliday will blame the new stadium on the two jacks.
“Wish I could watch the game. Bos/Sea is available… ugh.”
Angel, try this link. That’s how I’m watching it.
http://www.atdhe.net/
The Yankees gave is towards the bottom.
3 off halladay in 3 1/3 is amazing lol…and it should of been more
“If Matsui can play everyday, I bat him in that spot and put Cano 7th or 8th. On days Matsui can’t play, put Posada in that spot and have Swisher available to split the lefties.”
That is what I will do as well.
Matsui is heating up and interlegue games are done.
O.k. i get it. Alex has been hot and he gets a free pass. But lets not forget he got the base hit in the first inning. Everyone knows the first inning is an unclutch inning. I expected him to get another hit in yet again another unclutch inning. My bad.
Jorge Posada…
Hasta luego Halladay…
Happy Birthday George!
Jorge Posada…
Hasta luego Halladay…
Happy Birthday George!
It’s obvious why Girardi hits Cano 5th. If Robbie didn’t have this problem with RISP he is the prototypical 5th hitter. He rarely strikes out, puts the ball in play and hits for a very high average. He also has pretty good power and hits tons of doubles. If he could get over this problem with RISP he would have a ton of RBIs. Unfortunately it doesn’t look like he will improve anytime soon.
EVERYONE WHO CANT WATCH OR HEAR THE GAME….GO HERE!!! FREE ONLINE STREAM OF THE GAME!!!!!
link: http://stream2.wtsnam1270.com/WTSN468.swf
Wang is throwing the ball very well. He got a couple of pitches up. For the most part though, everything is down.
He is a bad walk away from being ahead 3-0 in this one.
DT,
Re: Cano, yes and no. Yes those situations will find him but, he also hits better down in the order.
I think he is feeling the pressure of hitting behind Alex and its taking him out of his game.
Some guys just aren’t comfortable hitting higher in orders.
I think Cano is one of those guys.
Also, he thrives on hitting mistakes. I think hitting lower in the Yankee order, he’s going to see more mistake pitches because pitchers get worn down working to the guys ahead of him in the order.
This is not the scary Halladay we know and fear
If Matsui can play everyday, I bat him in that spot and put Cano 7th or 8th. On days Matsui can’t play, put Posada in that spot and have Swisher available to split the lefties.
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Thats exactly what I would do, SJ. Clearly its something thats gotten into his head. It’s not that he can’t hit w/RISP, because he has done it, so obviously something else.
As long as he’s being productive in the lineup somewhere does it really matter so much where he’s hitting?
“I don’t ever remember us scoring 3 runs off of him this early.”
It’s not even the runs. The yankees may not have hit this many hard hit balls off Halladay in the last 3 years.
They’ve hit a ton of screaming shots – just right at people. That last at bat by matsui was a great example.
Usually halladay’s cutter just eats up LH hitters. But it’s not happening for him today.
Thanks for the online game. This makes my forth of July instantly better. Completely bummed my extra innings package didnt have todays game
O.k. i get it. Alex has been hot and he gets a free pass. But lets not forget he got the base hit in the first inning. Everyone knows the first inning is an unclutch inning. I expected him to get another hit in yet again another unclutch inning. My bad.
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No, you don’t get it. And you’re coming across as a silly spoiled Yankee fan now.
Might want to quit while you’re ahead?
May be someone knowlegeable like CB can comment on this.
What I am observing is that Wang is not pushing hard off his anchor leg. His second leg is landing hardly 2 feet from the anchor leg. Is it always the case or he is afraid to push off because of the injury?
Wow what has happened to Vernon Wells? Not only is he having a TERRIBLE season at the plate (.252/.303/.402) he is the worst fielding CF in the league. His UZR/150 is -37. Ouch.
The first innings is not a “clutch” inning against Halladay?
You don’t think scoring first is important against a guy like Halladay?
If Alex has to be 1.000 with RISP because Robbie Cano isn’t capable of hitting at all in that spot, how is that good for the team?
Somebody other than Alex has to hit with RISP.
Angel (OPPC) – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
July 4th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
*sigh* no game for me, thanks FOX.
I’m going to protest by watching the Twilight Zone marathon instead, lol.
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Angel, that’s painful to drag out the 2004 ALCS disc set to watch. I won’t spoil the outcome for you. Just make sure you have yourblankie and a bowl of popcorn.
Is the link working??? I just tried it to make sure, and now that specific link isnt working for me lol…
well if it doesnt work for you…go to freebaseballradio.com and use the side links to get to the yankees MLB team section and there will be a whole list and click on WTSN 468.
That should get you to an online free stream of the game everyone…make sure someone remembers this for the next saturday that we cant watch because of the Extra innings blackout.
Seriously, the first inning is an “unclutch” inning?
Ludicrous ignorance. If they only score one run in the first inning and the game is won 1-0, wouldn’t that make it a *clutch* hit.
Why isnt Posada considered in the 5th slot? Matsui cant stay healthy enough to be there everyday and Cano seems much more confortable in the back end of the lineup.
Posada’s call paid off there.
These MLB updates are hilarious. One says that although Ramirez was hitless last night. he sparked the Dodger bats to victory.
0-2 put him away!
Let me end the suspense and bad guesses. Halladay was out of the rotation with a mild groin strain. Smart money says he isn’t totally back from that.
Angel,
Why dont you take a chill pill. It was a freakin joke and i would think someone whos been here awhile like yourself would catch that. Im not advanced enough to put winks or happy faces after my comments. Relax.
“What I am observing is that Wang is not pushing hard off his anchor leg. His second leg is landing hardly 2 feet from the anchor leg. Is it always the case or he is afraid to push off because of the injury?”
I don’t know. He looks pretty close to what he did before to me. The main thing to me is that his arm slot/ release point still aren’t consistent enough – which is strange. But why his pitches are vaying in movement.
He’s much more erect thatn he was when he was terrible and his knee kick looks better.
Guys who throw sinkers in general can’t have alot of push off their back legs/ can’t have very long strides because that prevents them from staying on top of the ball. This is what Randy is always talking about.
Take a look at halladay who has a deadly two seamer – he isn’t that aggressive with his lower half either. His mechanics are similar to wang’s.
Wow Wang!
WANG
If Wang continues pitching like this we are looking at a CG.
LOL GB. I am NOT going anywhere near watching that 2004 ALCS series.
Interesting example of the byplay between catcher and pitcher.
Wang shook Posada off, and stepped off the mound, prior to the 3-2 pitch to Rios. Posada wanted to throw a sinker and Wang wanted to throw a slider. Posada insisted on the sinker because he didn’t want to speed up Rios’s bat and risk hanging one in the zone.
Posada pushed it and, because he’s the veteran, Wang relented, made the pitch, and got the out.
A kid back there probably cedes to Wang on the pitch selection.
Sometimes, the vets do know best.
55 pitches after 5 for Wang. Easily his best start of the year.
Wang!
good job Wang. 55 pitches so far, very nice.
A-Rod and Cano are so awful with men on base
it is disgusting
no ersatz umps behind home plate today, thankfully.
Their act was funny at first. It was even funny when they took it on the road.
It’s no longer funny.
Wang is doing a great job mixing in his split, curve, and slider. One pitch pitcher, you say?
Not anymore.
Great game so far for Chien-Ming.
Thanks CB.
GB
Stop cursing. Against the rules
Bryan July 4th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
A-Rod and Cano are so awful with men on base
it is disgusting
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You do realize that A-Rod is a career .311 hitter with RISP?
Bryan July 4th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
A-Rod and Cano are so awful with men on base
it is disgusting
Alex? Are you kidding me?
“You don’t think scoring first is important against a guy like Halladay?”
How can anyone say that the first inning isn’t huge against Halladay. Just unbelievable.
This guy is an absolute buzz saw and a ridiculous competitor.
You fall behind against him – especially with Wang on the mound – that’s good night.
Halladay is brutal. You cannot fall behind because that will allow him to be even more economical and aggressive.
I don’t particularly care if Halladay is healthy or not.
The Sox have been on a good run of avoiding many teams aces in series so far this year. Good luck for them.
If the Yankees can find a way to win today, I don’t care how they do it, its a plus to win a game against Toronto in a Halladay start.
Never has a trip to the Doc been this pleasant for the Yanks.
They are getting some good swings.
Sorry SOS. My bad.
I was just about to ask if someone was impersonating you. I didn’t think it sounded like you.
Lots of hard hit line drives right at guys
Nice hittin’, Teix.
Seattle is set up to do some damage. Go Tex! 2 on no outs Ichiro is batting.
Halladay is getting tagged this game.
Even his outs are loud.
Now I know why Wang is pitching well today. The guy I’m playing in my fantasy league this week has him starting.
I have horrible fantasy luck this year, so we’re golden today people!
Arod is “awful” with guys on base?
Another child blinded by Arod hate to see clearly.
We gotta gets a LensCrafter deal to help out these poor, lost souls.
GB must curse in invisible ink. I never see it.
I cannot recall so many hard hit balls against Halladay.
I don’t care about the reason. Getting the W is all that counts.
99th try for cano..
they need to move this guy out of the 5th spot regardless of what he does.
If Robbie doesn’t get a hit now, then Joe can’t even say those things in public.
why pitch to ARod with Cano on deck?
BBFan,
The only thing to me that is still strange with Wang is how he’s getting under the ball and “pushing” it. It’s those pitches that wind up up in the zone that get killed.
Those are mistakes and before he wouldn’t do that often at all. In fact, if you think back to how Wang seemed to have that one inning in a game where he would just lose it – e.g. his command – that’s what he would do. He would get under the ball and push in instead of staying on top.
He’s still doing that almost at random at times. He’ll throw a great pitch, stay on top and drive down but the next pitch his arm slot is a little different and he pushes the ball.
But on the whole the mistakes are far fewer today. Those runs they scored off of him were just classic runs scored off of Wang or any ground ball pitcher. Walk and then hits off bad contact.
Compare the hard contact/ outs the yankees are generating off of halladay to the kind of contact the jays are getting off of Wang.
Hallday is getting his cutter up and its getting hit hard. He’s the one who is getting very lucky today – much more so than wang.
Wow,
Cano is brutal.
Cano fail
If Cano is batting 5th tomorrow, Girardi needs to go see a shrink.
Another shot here for Cano. He’s got to start producing in these spots or Arod is going to start seeing fewer pitches to hit.
Go Robbie!
It’s just amazing how Doc can just change speeds so effortlessly….And it’s just about a 5 mph diffenece, up & down , in & out….Impossible to get a good read on him….Tough cookie…Someone earlier mention the great Maddox, a very good comparison
ok is it time we started booing cano now? the true fake numbers guy on the team.
Yeah, let’s try to sweep this Cano RISP atrocity under the rug.
If you were denying it before, what say you now?
No worries Angel. It seems like others also missed the joke. I wish i can blame it on the alchohol but its still early here in the west coast. Sorry for the weak joke fellas.
Arod walks? Wheres the 2 run jack? It reaks of fear!! Wink…
Cano is killing us!! No wink.
this is so in cano’s head….maybe a day off would clear it?
Cano won’t be 5th tomorrow.
why is Girardi so stubborn about dropping Cano in the batting order?
What’s with Cano’s impatience with RISP?!
vintage cano
Honestly, this might be the absolute WORST stretch of hitting with RISP that I’ve ever seen. It’s really that bad. In fact, “bad” is too nice a word. I’m not entirely sure there’s a word to describe the depths to which Robbie has sunk at this point.
Matsui is hot right now. Put him behind Alex.
Send Cano down to Charleston!!!! Or Tampa og in doing the laudry… I dont care… just send him away from the no 5. spot!
Alex got noting to hit because of Cano’s lack of hitting with risp
202 with RISP.. He is a total joke.. bat 5th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
come on…………………….
cano is clown.. at least make tough outs………
300 overall 200 with men in scoring position…anyone see a problem.. he is a run vacumm………….
Ack Cano.
Seriously. Cody Ransom would have an rbi with runners on in the 5th slot by now.
>why pitch to ARod with Cano on deck?
He pitched around A-Rod to put RISP to get to Cano.
Unfortnately, as much as Joe may think Robbie can hit 5th, he can’t.
That was a brutal AB.
He’s not a #5 hitter. Question, how many more games does he fifth before the Joe realizes it?
“why pitch to ARod with Cano on deck?”
There’s no reason to and Halladay didn’t bother to.
I’m impressed that Alex has continued to stay inside himself and accept the walks rather than getting frustrated and overly aggressive.
Right now pitchers are basically telling him get yourself out or take a walk in big spots where there’s any chance they can pitch around him.
SJ44 July 4th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
I don’t particularly care if Halladay is healthy or not.
The Sox have been on a good run of avoiding many teams aces in series so far this year. Good luck for them.
If the Yankees can find a way to win today, I don’t care how they do it, its a plus to win a game against Toronto in a Halladay start.
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Exactly.
Why are so many people intent on downplaying Yankee success against non-Red Sox teams?
Santana wasn’t right a couple of weeks ago and the Yanks clobbered him. They just weren’t allowed to enjoy it because Santana wasn’t right and it didn’t happen against the Red Sox.
Sabathia wasn’t good on Thursday. I don’t think Seattle was downplaying their success against him that night because he didn’t have his good location.
A win is a win. A sign of a good team is taking advantage of games where an elite pitcher doesn’t have his elite stuff.
One would think the law of averages would work by now in regards to Cano’s 5th spot RISP woes…ugh! 2 prime opportunities wasted today.
Halladay is at 79 pitches after five innings.
Probably he will not last beyond 7th inning.
That is why Cano’s at bat is so frustrating, swinging at first pitch and making out.
in Cano’s head… What head??? THe guy is the most talented dumbest player I have seen in quite a while…
first pitch rollover to 2nd, what a shock…………
Damon should’ve went after that ball instead of waiting for it. He could’ve held him to a single.
And Wang still leaves ball out over the plate
Just get out of this inning with one run
Girardi needs to move Cano down in the lineup, maybe switch him with Posada. Right now, Cano is not a good fit for the five spot.
“Batting Cano 5th = Insanity (doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results).” -Laura
^ Agreed.
He CAN hit with RISP. But this is SO in his head. He may need to be moved for that reason alone. You would think you try to work him through it by sticking with him only for so long.
2-2 sea bos
David Cone’s Camera Face July 4th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
ok is it time we started booing cano now? the true fake numbers guy on the team.
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Yeah, that’ll help the team win. Boo the guy who already has this RISP thing in his head that he’s talking to the media about it.
That’s a great strategy.
M’s tie it up 2-2!
One on, two outs, top 5…
How many times in the past 2 days has Kay said “4 straight day games?
come on Wanger
1 away
I think lot is being made of our losing 8 games to Sox. Still we are only two games behind. Finally law of averages will catch up and we will do well against them. If Sox do not do as well against the rest of the AL as we do, we will come on top of the division at the end of the season.
I think Cano is letting bating 5th get into his head, he did hit over .320 with runners on in May when he wasn’t batting 5th that much
big inning for Wang.
Has he made it past the 6th yet this year?
Wang
womp womp womp wommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmp
Ugh.
Wang.
“One would think the law of averages would work by now in regards to Cano’s 5th spot RISP woes…ugh! 2 prime opportunities wasted today.”
The “law of averages” only applies if the outcome of the event is random.
If there is a systematic reason or difference in a certain situation then that law of averages won’t necessarily hold.
Girardi is banking on the law of averages with Cano with RISP. He can’t possibly stay this bad – almost by definition as he’s literally doing nothing.
But if there is a systematic difference on Cano’s part with RISP his batting average with RISP won’t necessarily converge to his overall batting average.
And given what he’s done with RISP over his career that might be the case.
oh no
Adam Lyn is good!
Cano’s hitting gaffe now comes back to haunt the team.
Give up four runs against Halladay and you lose.
Lind’s home run was another example of Wang just losing his mechanics.
His arm slot changed and he got under that ball and pushed it instead of staying on top.
Damon should’ve went after that ball instead of waiting for it. He could’ve held him to a single.
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Did you expect him to kick it back to second base because he doesnt have his personal cut off man ramirez? Your talking about Damon here. He has girly man throws.
He looks hurt
Robby Cano ‘09
Bases empty .349
Runners on .255
Man on 1st .347
Man on 2nd .292
Man on 3rd .222
1st & 2nd .172
1st & 3rd .250
2nd & 3rd .100
Loaded .167
Move him down. PLEASE!!!
Hung that changeup or slider. That’s where the Yankees inability to have a #5 hitter that can drive in runs hurts you.
It leaves no margin for error.
Time to get the bullpen up and get Robertson ready and not let this get out of hand.
Injured?
Oh no. Something’s wrong with Wang. Yuuuuse time?
Wang is still not good!
Too many balls up in the strike zone which has been tha case all year
Wang is still not good!
Too many balls up in the strike zone which has been tha case all year
God it Wang brutal. you just know he is going to implode @ some point.
Neil
July 4th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Give up four runs against Halladay and you lose.
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Not necessarily. Not the way Halladay is pitching today.
really baseball Gods
Would you look at that. All those RISP chances for Cano biting the Yanks in the behind.
Woops Robertson time I guess. I forgot how early in the game it still was. Too bad Wang was pitching a nice game. I wonder what it is and I hope it isn’t bad.
awesome. how many times can we come back on halladay?!?
Looks like Wang got hurt. Robertson coming in.
Wang, wondering why…
His sinkerball didn’t sink…
Walking off the mound…
“He looks hurt”
God! I hope so.
Nothing seems wrong with Wang. Girardi probably got word from Cashman, that he hust traded Wang to the Phillies, as was rumored!!
We might have gotten a break..Wang hurt and finally out of rotation?
“God it Wang brutal. you just know he is going to implode @ some point.”
15 minutes ago Wang was pitching a great game, he hangs one pitch and suddenly he’s brutal and imploding? Then by all accounts Halladay must he baving the worst game of his career since he’s allowed two home runs today and 3 walks
Cano is killing the Yankees in the 5th spot. What is Girardi waiting for? Cano had guys on base today and did nothing. Put Posada there or if Posada is not playing put Matsui there.
Ugh, I really loathe some of my fellow Yankee *fans* sometimes.
What kind of fan hopes a pitcher is hurt?
I would go mow the lawn now, if I had a lawn.
Wang was doing so well and then the 2 run bomb. Hopefully, it’s not another injury.
Cano, what can you say? Girardi is a fool for keeping him in the 5th spot. I don’t get it.
Hope Wanger is ok. He was doing well.
Watching, worrying…
Sitting here, haiku brewing…
What is wrong with Wong?
Whatever Posada saw on that last pitch he was definitive about it.
That is not good. No argument from Wang and Girardi immediately took the ball. Almost no discussion.
Wang’s front shoulder really flew open on that home run to Lind and his right shoulder really dragged.
Call em like I see ‘em. No disrespect Ramey. His stats say otherwise.
Girardi looks really upset.
Girardi looks upset
fred and jojo with the classy hope someone is hurt posts. really how pathetic can you be??
girardi is OK with changing the 8th inning, but god forbid they move Cano down in the order….
why does he have any track record of coming thru ever over a period of time???????????????????????
I’m guessing an open blister or tore a finger nail again.
“We might have gotten a break..Wang hurt and finally out of rotation?”
This is hilarious. So Wang has been gradually getting better in each of his last starts, finally today was having his best start of the season, but hangs one pitch to Adam Lind and leaves with an injury and now we’re hoping he’s hurt? Do people not realize that we’re a better team WITH Wang getting right than we are relying on all our young guns to step up in the rotation?
Well, if that means Hughes back to the rotation, they will need to be aggressive to find a good bullpen arm.
Brian Bruney to the 8th inning is akin to Robbie Cano hitting 5th. Something that will not work.
If Hughes is back in the rotation, they need to find a guy capable of pitching later innings effectively out of the pen.
Girardi looks really down. Something happened to Wang on one of the last pitches he threw. What a shame.
You people that are hopping that wang is hurt are complete idiots. So a hurt wamg helps the yankees how? he was actually good today except for one bad pitch.
hopefully thats the last we see of wang, atleast for a long time…
How you look during the first 5 innings does you no good if, at the end of the day, you end up giving up 4 runs in 5.1 IP. That’s not good. Did he look better overall? Sure, and that’s encouraging. But today’s ERA would be 6.75. That means he didn’t make the pitches he needed to make, when he needed to make them. He’s still not where he needs to be.
And now he’s injured? If it’s serious at all, you can bet on Hughes going in to the rotation. If he continues his success coming from the pen, we may very well have just seen Wang start his last game. That might seem extreme, but I wouldn’t think it’s entirely impossible.
Girardi is upset because Wang should have told them something us up before he gave up the lead. It’s really irresponsible and selfish to be pitching when something is wrong with you without letting your manager know.
Not hoping the guys career is over would rather have Hughes in the rotation. Every game he pitches is like a black cloud hanging over his head. A feeling of impending doom. That’s all I am saying.
If Cano’s inability to hit with men on base is “bad luck” as Girardi said, then he’s had bad luck his whole career. He has never been clutch. The guy is talented but clueless.
Scorpio July 4th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
I would go mow the lawn now, if I had a lawn.
Wang was doing so well and then the 2 run bomb. Hopefully, it’s not another injury.
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As soon as it becomes a 2-run game, I’m mowing……
fred you are a dope..
hoping someone gets hurt should get you banned from the blog…
I love the children who come on here and are rooting for Wang to be hurt.
Gotta love “fans” like this.
Hopefully, there is traffic you can play in at some point today.
High leverage situation for Robertson and he does what he does best….walk people.
Get Tomko up and hope Robertson can survive this inning without giving up more runs.
If you look at this game, Wang left several balls up in the zone, and not just the ball Lind hit for a homerun….
Guys, I don’t know if you’re aware, but mlbtraderumors (mlbtraderumours for our friends in Canadia) is reporting that both the Phillies and the Rangers are interested in finding outhow much the Yankees know about Chapman’s real age. Stay tuned.
Meanwhile, here is a positive to take from this game: it looks like Wang’s limbo dance with the 10.00 ERA is finally settled in his favor (sorry, friends from the north, in his favour). Here’s hoping…
help? i’m booing for anger at not coming thru.
“It’s really irresponsible and selfish to be pitching when something is wrong with you without letting your manager know.”
And you of course have no clue this is true and are just casting disparging remarks with no basis what so ever.
You have no idea why Girardi is upset. None. You have no information on this other than your baseless speculation. Maybe wang is seriously injured and it happened on that last pitch?
Fans wishing for a serious Wang injury?
Come on.
that just sucks that wang is doing well, and then gets injured. Im 99% sure its his blister/finger nail problem. now it might not be that bad, and they just didnt want it to get worse, so they took him out so they can repair it for his next start or he might be out for 2 weeks. it depends how bad it is. But im pretty sure that’s the problem because he was lookin at his fingers and he has a history of that.
get the mower ready……..
And this is Robertson’s problem. Walks.
Ohh crap… The Jays are one hit away from a W it seems….
wonderful… remember when all of you wanted more robertson?
And off go the wheels. At least everyone but Robbie hit Halladay well.
Did I say I hope his career is over? The Wang experiment on getting him back to his prior form has been ineffective to date. I like the kid Hughes and feel he gives us a better chance of winning when he starts as opposed to Wang. They were not going to remove him from the starting rotation otherwise. Call me what you want I am just stating an opinion and being respectful.
This kid stinks.
“hopefully thats the last we see of wang, atleast for a long time…”
You are the worst kind of spoiled yankee fan.
Rooting for Wang to be hurt and unable to pitch – that’s just disgusting.
I’msorry but calling for that pitchout on a 1-0 count with Rolen on base was not good.
Halladay is a great pitcher but come on Michael Kay, shut up about him.
Anyone warming up. Cone saying Robertson has a “sneaky” fastball. Doesn’t look sneaky to me, looks straight 89-90 with no movement.
Roberston nibbling too much. I know it is early and they need someone to eat up some innings, but Robertson is not good in high pressure situations. Against Halladay, even on his worst day, more than a 1 run deficit will make it hard for the Yankees to come back. Bring Aceves in or Hughes.
Yes, it makes “perfect” sense to want Hughes in the rotation since it would make the Yankees worse and not better.
Do some of you even think some time or is it just stream of consciousness thinking?
Another walk for Robertson. Gotta be Tomko time soon.
Once again, he can’t find the plate in a high leverage situation.
Not hoping the guys career is over
would rather have Hughes in the rotation. Every game he pitches is like a black cloud hanging over his head. A feeling of impending doom. That’s all I am saying.
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With Hughes out of the bullpen are you going to pitch hitless ball in the 7th and 8th inning? Wang pitching helps this team and an improving wang he looked really good today.
For those questioning why Robertson was not getting high leverage work, this is the reason. He can not be trusted yet.
yea i did not think Wang pitched that well today. I think he will be traded to a n.l team in the offseason
Why isn’t this Aceves?
nice… look what can happen when u don’t walk people…
Well there is a strike out. I take back what I said sort of. Maybe Jorge is forcing him to throw in the zone instead of trying to get them to chase.
Robertson needs work KO
Hey.
Anybody know what the patch is for on their jerseys?
fred is being respectful. he is politely saying I hope a guy gets hurt, and he is not smart enough to know how vulgar that is…………………….
Having Wang in the rotation has been so effective to date right? Peace.
cb…where did i say i hope hes seriously hurt? his injury or lack of aside, he should not start for this team for a long time, if ever
I hope CMW is not seriously injured. I hope Robertson settle down here. It seems like he’s too fine. Good pitch here. One more out, limit the damage, and the Yankees will come back.
It had to have been really bad for CMW to take himself out of the game. I would not rush to characterize the situation because Girardi was upset. Of course he was upset. This was not expected.
I’m in and out, paying 1/4 attention to the game – cooking, hosting etc.
Pete, get scoop, okay???
Yankee Trader July 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Anyone warming up. Cone saying Robertson has a “sneaky” fastball. Doesn’t look sneaky to me, looks straight 89-90 with no movement.
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David Cone just said you’re dead wrong.
Moving Hughes back into the rotation if Wang is injured is not that simple. Phil would have to be stretched out. At the very least that would mean his first couple starts would be in the 60-85 pitch range. That would tax a bullpen that had just been made thinner with the loss of Hughes. I am getting very sick of watching Wang try to learn how to pitch again, but losing him (again) to injury would be a blow to the team (again).
Guys, I don’t know if you’re aware, but mlbtraderumors (mlbtraderumours for our friends in Canadia) is reporting that both the Phillies and the Rangers are interested in finding outhow much the Yankees know about Chapman’s real age. Stay tuned.
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Nick,
Whew!! Close one there. Some regulars had problems with about 6 links to the same story within a half an hour. Good think you read the 600 posts before you took some heat.
Wally Pipp.
Hughes in the bullpen and Wang in the rotation is what is good for the team. I hope it is a minor issue of blisters or something and Wang doesn’t even miss a start. However, Jorge seemed to notice something immediately in the delivery so I am thinking it may not be minor. I hope Wang is okay!
oh dear
oh goody
Doc been sitting for a long time
Regarding Cano–I understand the protecting Arod argument. But, in actuality Arod has been on a tear, so that argument is moot.
So why is batting 5th as opposed to 6th such a big deal with everybody.
Can you tell me that that the 5th spot has X amount more rbi oppurtunities then the 6th spot, therefore Cano should not be there?
Like DT said big spots find you wherever you are. Cano needs to turn it around, no doubt about it. And he will.
I have a feeling all you Cano haters are going to eat your words before it’s all said and done.
bryanhoch: Chien-Ming Wang leaves with unspecified injury in the 6th inning. Appeared to be his right midsection though he never grabbed or grimaced.
wow robertson is awesome
Girardi does this to himself. The guy comes in and walks 2 hitters in a 1 run game with nobody on? YANK HIM.
Stop being a pushover.
It makes you wonder if Robertson took all the time he needed to warm up. Coming in after an injury he had all day.
WOW a hit with RISP. What a concept..
RObertson has talent but not there yet. SHocking a walk comes back to haunt you.. what a concept…
up 3 to 2 against the best pitcher in a game and it changes in 10 minutes…
Robertson might need work, but the Yanks need a win more importantly. I would’ve goen with Aceves there…. Robertson simply does not throw enough strikes
Take him out of the game
unreal
Having Wang in the rotation has been so effective to date right? Peace.
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The thing that you don’t seem to understand is that Wang was injured and he has been improving a lot lately. Results aren’t everything if you actually watch the game today you would see that Wang was not bad. Wang an improving wang pitching for this team is a good thing.
Robertson pound the strike Zone!
What a waste of a pitching spot. If I want to see the Yankees lose I want Robertson in the game. The kid’s a joke.
Tired of watching this joke. Think I’ll head for the beach.
“Regarding Cano–I understand the protecting Arod argument. But, in actuality Arod has been on a tear, so that argument is moot.”
Its not about protecting, its about getting a hit.
That’s why he doesn’t pitch in high leverage situations.
Walks too many people, can’t throw enough quality strikes and can’t be trusted.
Lose Wang and now need two guys for the pen since Hughes will have to go into the rotation and this has to be the last we see of Robertson for awhile.
Not good.
now they need to bring there absolute worst pitcher TOmko and the results are suppose to be???????????????????
How do u leave him in after that hit???
You have no idea why Girardi is upset. None. You have no information on this other than your baseless speculation. Maybe wang is seriously injured and it happened on that last pitch?
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Certainly looked as though it happened on the last pitch. He made an awful grimace after he threw it – seemed to cry out in pain.
Really, people celebrating Wang injury:
Go die in a ditch.
Which is really what I came in here to say – just go crawl back under your rock, and suffocate there.
What a stupid premise – you hope Wang is hurt because you want that spot turned over to Hughes. Any idea how long the season is and important it is to have as many healthy pitchers as possible? And don’t bother to tell me he isn’t healthy – he was building back up his strength, especially in his legs. But never mind. You think you’re being clever and counter intuitive with this because it’s really what’s best for Wang and the Yankees, I suppose. Sure it is.
Just die in a ditch.
The world will not miss you.
And now I will go back to not missing this IGT.
serenity now people
serenity now
Robertson had a horrible inning!
ok please let us see hughes next inning.
exhale
aceves just pitched 2.1 2 days ago…how could he pitch today..
Alright time to get those two runs back or run up Halladay’s pitch count.
GAME OVER
Now lets win this game!
I dont think Melky gets to that. All right, its time to get those red rally caps on!!
Whoa.
Melky has the arm certainly.
But Gardner has the Range by a mile.
Anyone see his UZR?
Finally. But with a guy like Halladay, there’s no such thing as finishing an inning with minimal damage.
Not as bad as it could’ve been, if they can get Halliday out of the game and work on the Jays’ BP, there’s a good chance to win.
Man, Wang looked like he was going to go 7 innings today, what a shame. Hope hes not hurt.
Mark my words Hughes makes a big difference in the rotation. Peace.
Oh man, I didn’t know Wang got hurt……*****. Whatever I was going to say about him (that I was disappointed that he keeps having these blow up innings) means nothing now.
Robertson? Not good – just not good.
Okay – let’s go Yankees!!!
Hope everyone is having a great day, by the way. It’s a gorgeous. day. On Lou Gehrig day, does anyone think the Yankee are not going to win?????
It’s not over. Yankees can rally.
Doc has looked pedestrian.
Matsui and Posada have had good whacks on him.
Cano isn’t due up for a long while.
TIME TO GET THESE RUNS BACK
TIME TO GET THESE RUNS BACK
Its not a question of “hating” Cano.
He is 20-98 with RISP position this year. He’s 2-37 with RISP hitting 5th.
Its not good enough to keep the spot and he’s hurting the team in the spot.
Facts are facts. Its not hate.
He’s a good player who is in the wrong spot in the order.
It ain’t that tough to figure out.
If Wang is out and Hughes is in, this has to be the last of Robertson for awhile. If you can’t pitch in high leverage situations, its time to go back to Scranton and figure it out.
Albie pitched well in Scranton the few weeks. Time to bring him back for Robertson and see if he can help.
You know is Girardi just doing well enough to keep his job or something? Because I don’t care what our record is, the guy is holding back our team. It used to be that his only saving grace was that he was good with running the bullpen. He has regressed in that area. I don’t care that we’re 13 over now, w/e. Our manager should match the talent of our team and he doesn’t. Going forward, people will talk about some of these other managers of the top teams being assets down the stretch run. If anything, our manager is a liability. Way more than enough time has passed to prove himself, Girardi is mediocre at managing this team, bottom line
Mark my words Hughes makes a big difference in the rotation. Peace.
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You lost all credibility when you hoped that wang was hurt. Peace
People making light of losing wang for the rotation are completely missing how badly that is going to hurt the team.
Lose wang and you not only disrupt the rotation but you ruin the pen because hughes is no longer there.
Hughes can’t just start and throw 7-8 innings now. He needs to be transitioned back to the rotation and rebuild arm strength.
And even if Hughes pithes great in the rotation they now have a gaping hole in the pen yet again.
Even if wang could only pitch 5-6 innings and give up 3-4 runs this team would be much, much stronger with him in the rotation and huges in the pen then it otherwise would be.
Wang is the difference between this team turning into a force vs. it struggling to make the playoffs in a brutal division.
Man you have to take pitches he been sitting for a long time
The kid comes out of of the bullpen cold totally unexpected and walks two guys. Bad job by him albeit in a bad spot. But the jackals can’t wait to rip him apart and call for his head. It’s like you can’t wait for somebody to have a bad day.
It’s 5-3 in the sixth inning. The game isn’t over.
Report is that Wang has a “Midsection” Injury.
For some reason Girardi feels that he must mix up the lefties & righties in the line up so that (due to the Yanks many switch hitters) the opposing manager can’t bring in a match up reliever to face multiple hitters.
The problem is Cano hits so bad in clutch situations the opposing team doesn’t have to do anything but let him get himself out. So what’s the point.
is this the last inning for the doc?/
Irrespetive of the impact on the rotation, I hope Wang is not injured seriouly.
SJ, it’s your decision if Wang’s out for an extended period. Hughes to the rotation is a no brainer. Your replacement? Melancon or Dunn? Right now, I’d go Dunn.
no one hates cano he is just not a 5th hitter and having him hit there does not help the team……………….
“Report is that Wang has a “Midsection” Injury.”
I wonder if he strained an oblique?
wang only thres about 60 pitches…
BTW if it was an injury related leave of the game, Robertson had infinite time to warm up, so being “cold” is absolutely no excuse…. throw strikes or get the heck out of the game, that’s the way it should be pal… absolutely no excuse for not throwing strikes
The worst thing about a Wang injury is that it kills his trade value. Hope they took him out as a precaution and nothing is wrong with him.
oblique strain for a pitcher will have him out for a long time…
Girardi is way too stubborn to move Cano. Cano has wasted a small village of men on base in the last few weeks and Girardi has been witness to it. It’s sad how he doesn’t think Cano isn’t killing the team. He got killed for changing the lineups last year, so he’s going to stick with one basi lineup even if it kills him to prove that people were wrong about him.
Man, I can see why Gardner pops out alot. So many umpires call that high strike so much, it’s impossible for him to get on top of the ball.
robertson should throw strikes mainly because he has better then avg. stuff…..
Tarheel Yank — Cano haters? I don’t hate the guy, I root for him. I’m a Yankee fan. But I also look at FACTS. And the facts are that the guy has NEVER hit with RISP. He has never been clutch. So you have “no doubt” that he’ll turn it around? That’s nice. Don’t hold your breath. He’s been in the bigs for what? 5 years? Hasn’t happened yet. The fact is that he gets himself out all the time, swings at pitchers pitches and has no idea or plan at the plate other than swinging at everything he sees. With his talent he should be vying for batting titles every year. Instead he’s getting himself out over and over and over again. We don’t hate the guy, but we do hate to see him come up in big spots for the Yanks, because he rarely produces in those spots. But keep your rose-colored glasses on.
MLB Trade Rumors from Jon Heyman @ SI:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-wang.html
Carpenter had an oblique injury – he was out for close to two months, I believe.
“It’s like you can’t wait for somebody to have a bad day. ”
That’s pretty much it Pete. The game threads have actually been relatively good the past two weeks.
But there is always a huge spike in comments – especially by people who haven’t commented before in the thread – when something negative happens.
The worse the outcome the greater the comments.
Jackals is the right word.
Doreen I’m kind of in the same boat… lots of people here and the game is on in the background.
Really nice day though… a couple of my mentally-imbalanced friends thought it would be a good idea to bring a truckload of fireworks over here. Seriously, I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much gunpowder in one place. So if I don’t post for awhile, its because I’m waiting to post bail.
Anyone know why Girardi looked so pissed off? Is Wang’s injury considered serious or is he mad because Wang hid something from him?
Everyone have a great 4th.
Stuart agreed..no trade coming now.
It sounds like a pulled oblique or the like for Wang.
Takes some time to recover from an injury like that if it is indeed what he has.
But it could also be worse.
Give Halladay a two-run lead and he doesn’t give it right back. What a concept.
Gardner almost never hits the ball hard….
Off to enjoy the day. Game on in the background. Hope everyone has a great 4th.
Girardi is “holding the team back”? That’s idiotic gibberish
What’s he supposed to do? His starter got hurt.
He can’t do anything about that.
Geez, most of you felt this game was “over” before it started because Halladay was pitching. Now, its Girardi’s fault? Nonsense.
Pete, Robertson just isn’t good in high leverage situations.
He’s been like this all year when given the shot in high leverage situations.
Tough spot? Absolutely but, he walks too many people, pitches in too many bad counts and that kills him.
With Wang out, they can’t hide him in the pen and use him only in low leverage situations.
That’s why I think its time for him to go to Scranton and they go in another direction. At least until he can find the strikezone with greater regularity.
Blog Trade Rumors: SOSH interested in Fred.
2007 Cano: 205 chances with RISP, .290/.333/.441
338 chances with men on .315/.362/.487
2006 Cano: 159 with Risp .306/.335/.500
267 with men on .315/.335/.470
if you want to lose this game for sure, pitch tomko in the 7th. halladay at 90 + pitches.. he could be done after 7 if the yanks work the count a little..
some truly awful yankee fans on this blog, th
at really don’t see the big picture regarding the New York Yankees.
I bet Girardi is annoyed because wang might have tried to pitch through this “mid section” injury.
you know it’s bad when they call it “mid section” injury.
not good
Wait, so does this mean Phil Yoooooouse to the rotation? Oblique strains, you dont just come back for the next start…they take 2-6 weeks…
Nah the manager of the New York Yankees doesn’t think that 0 for his last 17 with RISP warrants a move down from the spot in the order that is protecting our BEST HITTER WHO IS OFTEN WALKED IN ORDER TO GET TO CANO. Man Girardi must have really killed it in that meeting in front of Cashman to get this gig. It’s too bad 45 minutes worth of impression caused us to get this turd for at least 2 seasons.
“The worst thing about a Wang injury is that it kills his trade value. ”
No its not. Not even close. Maybe in fantasy baseball league but not in the real world.
Wang being hurt completely disrupts the bull pen. Even if hughes helps the rotation the team is much worse.
And its the team that matters not simply the rotation.
The bullpen is not giving us a chance
Most people here agree Cano not a good choice to bat 5th.
Swisher works the count, albeit strikes out a lot. What if Swisher was put in the 2 hole and Damon in the 5th spot? That way you can move Cano further down the order.
Thoughts?
Game starting to get away from them.
Lord
Wang was never getting traded
get bruney work when the game is in reach?
Never say never.
Since everyone is guessing about Wang’s injury without any knowledge – I’ll take a shot too.
It sounds to me like a case of Couvade Syndrome.
It’s not critical.
It’s just sympathy labor pains.
this place is a joke…a total joke…yanks are playing good baseball sans today and you would think they are in last place…
Bruney giving the came away for good…..
Hop the rust quickly falls off…..
Bruney should not have been activated before he got himself right in his rehab in the minors…..same for Wang
Come on Bruney. End this inning. Double play ball would be nice. Earn back that 8th inning.
Bringing in Robertson, and then not taking him out twice when he should have, was just another example of this guy’s ineptitude. It’s sad some of you are so content with an possibly below average coach managing the best team in all of sports. The dude isn’t good enough. I don’t need to document all his bonehead moves, there have been like, thousands. If any1 watches this team on a consistent basis and doesn’t think there a plenty of people out there who could do a better job than Girardi has, you don’t know anything about this game. THat’s it. Later.
Bruney after Robertson,Lord have mercy Jesus!
Pete – whatever happened to the registration on this site you told us about at the end of last season?
Greg D
Bruney did Rehab…He was in trenton when he made the Krod comments.
It’s possible that Bruney is still hurt or that he really needed more rehab time before coming back.
And if bruney is ineffective losing Wang is devastating because they the pen essentially would be without Hughes and Bruney.
Yanks missed their chances with Halladay, unfortunately – he’s getting stronger as the game goes on. Not that it matters – boy, just the worse possible news. Let’s say Wang is out for weeks – he still wasn’t fully right after his lis franc injury. Now he’s going to have to recover from an oblique (if that’s what it is) AND the lis franc? I was about to post before the injury that I didn’t get why Wang just hits a wall about th 5th or 6th inning …..This is just a lost year for him.
it’s amazing how one game that isn’t even over can bring out so many complaints. If pitchers were sent down or traded every time they allowed a run or walked a couple of guys there would be no one in the bullpen. And the though of bringing back pitchers that have already pitched for the Yankees with ERA’s above 6 as the answer is even less coherent.
Pennant winning teams lose 60-70 times a year. If the Yankees lose this one it will be one of those times, period.
Way to get out of it Bruney
GB,
Dunn’s rep is the same as Robertson’s. Poor in high leverage situations.
At first blush, I think I’d leave Hughes in the bullpen, send Robertson down for Albie, and give Sergio Mitre a turn in the rotation and see if I can steal a couple of starts from him.
With Bruney getting lit up again, and tougher to trust with each outing, Hughes is probably more needed in the bullpen than the rotation at the present time.
If Wang has an obligue injury, that’s usually a 4-6 week injury.
I didn’t understand why the Yankees rushed Bruney the way they did – 1 rehab stint and he was good to go? They handle injuries pretty badly – and that’s an understatement.
some people here think real life is like the video game. guy gives up two walks, you cannot just take him out. someone needs to warm up, and sometimes it doesnt work out. you seem to think you can manage better than girardi. maybe there is someone who can coach better, but shockingly we dont have the best of the best at every single job on the team. get over it.
go cheer for the perfect red sox who are 2 games ahead even though they are 8-0 vs. us.
Brian Bruney is my 7th inning pitcher!
North July 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Bruney giving the came away for good…..
Hop the rust quickly falls off…..
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You’ve been spewing nonsense for the last two hours. One dumb thing after another.
Go light up some Roman candles or something.
Ronan will freeze Doc. I am guessing this will be a 10 minute rendition of GBA
Carl
I knew did a rehab stint but I thought he should have stayed longer to get right……same for Wang, he could have used a couple of more starts.
You guys act as if the Wanger is out the season is over. Come on! Have some faith. He wasn’t exactly lighting it up. Guys are acting like the sky is falling.
I love hearing this guy in the Playoffs
CB=Mike Francesa….come up with something new or original
Betsy
I agree 100%
Deep breaths KO.
You don’t waste two pitchers when you have to take Wang out because of injury because it drains your bullpen for today AND tomorrow.
I would put more credence in your Girardi complaints if they came from some area of intelligent baseball thought instead of gibberish rantings.
If you blow out the pen today, its shot for the rest of the weekend. That would be dumb and Girardi isn’t that dumb.
Wait, so does this mean Phil Yoooooouse to the rotation? Oblique strains, you dont just come back for the next start…they take 2-6 weeks…
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With the All Star break coming up, the Yanks might send down Dave Robertson and bring up Sergio Mitre for one start…next Thursday. Then they can see if Wang can go 5 days after the All Start break.
waste two pitchers in one inning. Sorry for the typo.
I think Igawa is the answer in the rotation along with Mitre. In fact, bring up the entire Scanton rotation and pitch Hughes in the 4th, Pettitte in the 5th, Coke/Bruney/Aceves in the 6th, let CC and AJ handle the 7th, Joba in the 8th, and let Mo close em out. That should do it for some of you.
This should be the last inning for Roy,
He is at 94 pitches.
shoulder injury. cmw, damn.
Right shoulder strain for Wang
SEA-BOS
Nice job by Olson 6.1IP 4H 2ER 5K
one on, one out, bottom 7
Corcoran in – color me nervous ….
If Igawa is the answer, I don’t want to know the question.
strained right shoulder
Wang is a right shoulder strain
OK, SJ, thanks. I’d had forgotten about Mitre, although he was discussed here the other day. I knew about Dunn’s penchant for walks, but, I guess I was looking at the strikeouts and left handednes.
Hey what was wrong with Wang again I didn’t get it the first four times.
yay, Corky!
2-2 going to the 8th
When always used to rally after that guy would sing. Lets do it again
strained right shoulder….ist there any way that can not be a long stint on the dl?
strained right shoulder?
Who said oblique or midsection, that wasn’t accurate?
A shoulder is worse but maybe not as long downtime as an oblique if its minor.
Listen, here is what some of you fail to realize :
Wang was just not going to be right this season. Everyone knew this. When he was rehabbing in the minors, he couldn’t even get threw 5 innings against Phillies A-ball prospects. But now we expect him to go 8 innings against one of the better hitting teams in baseball, not to mention the AL East?
Wang was good in the bullpen. I know he is a starter, but if he is not going to be good, then what is the point of inserting him into the rotation?
So listen, stop talking about Wang. He is not going to be good this year. Next year, with rehab in the offseason and a good spring training, we will see the Wang of old.
How long does a shoulder strain take?
Wang
This game isn’t over yet folks. Let’s rally back
What about Ivan Nova for a start?
YES DAMON!!!!!!!!
DAMON I LOVE YOUR BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!
DAMON! yes!
That was the injury he had a few years ago when he missed most of the second half of the season.
Man, what a lost year for the poor kid.
Sergio Mitre, come on down, you could be starting Thursday night in Minnesota.
this will be a feeding frenzy for the press/media trying to catch Girardi in aa “lie” regarding this injury.
not good with the shoulder injury..
TIE BALL GAME!!
Damon!
Nice hit.
Is that like tendonitis? Does “strain” mean surgery?
Damon to the rescue!
DT – OPPC member (it’s in our blood) July 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
If Igawa is the answer, I don’t want to know the question.
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I know the question:
Who in Scranton has absolutely no shot at another opportunity to start for the Yankees this season?
I gotta feel sorry for Halladay there.
Damon just hit a short flyball to right…and it’s a round-tripper.
err…homerun balls…i went to a dark place.
Damon does it again!!
Send a beer to the Catterpillar crew!
Nice construction work!
LOL… I can’t wait until Doc gets asked about NYS.
Tie game Johnny Damon! I don’t care if it was a cheapo shot. For now this is what the stadium is and while I hope they fix the right field in the off season we must capitalize on it’s gifts now!
Simply Demonic!
Roy can throw 125 pitches so pitch is count not a problem
same people who were hating on the yanks now are saying how great they are now…not surprising
Carl July 4th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
When always used to rally after that guy would sing. Lets do it again
Called it!
Any damon fan knows what a patriot he is. But feel pretty B.A. Baracus after that homer
Johnny with the pop up HR! New ballgame.
Wowza! I bet Halladay hates this stadium, lol.
*Must
Great swing by Damon. The expression on Halladay’s face tells all. “No way am I signing with the Yankees when my contract is up- three friggin homers!”
Girardi needs to give Tex a day off tomorrow.
He’s not clicking right now.
The Captain reaches…
Damon drives one off of Doc…
Harried Halladay…
wow, good thing I didn’t go mow the lawn! LOL, great job Johnny.
Laird’s home run and Damon’s home run cancel each ohter. They are new YS homeruns.
Is that like tendonitis? Does “strain” mean surgery?
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too early to tell, not enough info, MRI to come
This is a game the Yankees will win.
I’m hearing WAng has a shoulder injury possibly. Poor guy. He was just coming around.
Hurray for Damon – you know what , if YS is gonna give up HRs, I’m happy it gave a tie game back ot Yankees.
How anyone could actually want anything ot be wrong with CMW, I feel sorry for you. Of course, we all want Hughes in the rotation eventually, but we don’t actually cheer for the demise of one of our best pitchers. That’s just wrong.
So, let’s go Yankees.
Thank goodness for these “bathroom breaks” where I can catch up!
The Yankees WILL win today!
I do feel really badly for Wang – I couldn’t believe that Jays fan yesterday who said that he didn’t care whether Ricky Romero or any pitcher blew out his arm as long as replacements were available. These are human beings – this is their career at stake. Just wow…..
I’m crossing my fingers that it’s not a serious strain…..
Even if Halladay is pissed about the stadium, his team gets the same opportunity to try and shoot for the short porch home run. It’s not like the short porch is only a place for the Yankees to hit.
So who do we have down in the farm that can come up and be a descent starter?
Stick a fork in halladay.
They gotta take him out now.
Okay, let’s go Robbie! You can do this!
3 HRs aside, the Doc is not himself today.
Man on 1B? I think that falls under Cano’s hitting jurisdiction.
If you are Girardi, what do you do for the 8th? Hughes or Aceves?
I wonder if the geniuses who criticize the Yankees for what they perceive as too many HRs would be as vocal if it were the other teams that hit them?
Halladay at 101 pitches. Does cano swing at the 1st pitch?
get those rally hot dogs ready!
Now let’s see if Cano can vindicate himself this time…
Cano getting an HGH swab for his eyesight.
umm how about a steal from a-rod?
It’s that slider. Throughout his minor league career, throwing the slider has given Wang shoulder problems.
Too bad the Yankees don’t think being a 19 game winning sinkerballer is sexy enough; they wanted strikeouts too.
Godfukkindammit.
Cano lmao
The Yankees did a great job on Halladay today – even if the last HR was a pop up (missed it, though). You really can’t ask for more than hitting the ball hard and scoring a few runs……(please let Wang be ok. If it’s just a few weeks, I’d be relatively pleased…….and then Wang could take all the time he needs in rehab)
Cano…you suck.
It sounds nuts, and I haven’t even looked to see if the days line up but, I wonder if they would ever consider Zach McAllister for the Thursday start? Or Ivan Nova?
Inquiring minds want to know.
According to my sources in Philly and Texas, Wang has some type of shoulder strain. Chapman is reportedly monitoring the situation. Stay tuned.
Three of the first 4 batters had great swings in the 7th. A big sign with so many of Rodriguez’ hits and even the outs, lately, are going to right and center field. Bad news for th league.
OMG, can Cano be any more predictable in his ineptness?
new game, bullpen legs go
bruney for another inning or aceves?
SJ44-
I’d go with Hughes. It’s time to see if he can be the 8th inning guy two days in a row, even if we’re tied.
Lol….Cano with another DP…who would have guessed?
Well…that was…pretty much expected.
How many times has he grounded to the 2B side?
Looks like Hughes
Poor Cano
think it is time for joe g to switch matsui and cano back.
Rally killer.
Chapman makes first career start for yankees in 5 days.
SJ44 I was hoping you or someone else knowledgable would suggest an alternative to Hughes to fill Wang’s spot.
I like Mitre, what I’ve seen of him.
I was even thinking Aceves over Hughes. Just cause Hughes is IMO more valuable to the pen right now and aceves could stretch out quickly.
Even Igawa if its just a start or 2. Seriously, I think Igawa would be servicable in the short term.
I would like to see a Posada walk off HR – and then see AJ try to pie him.
What’s Independence Day without fireworks!
Hey Cano keeps hitting the ball hard though, so he should continue to hit fifth.
What happened to Cano hitting line drives to left field!
Really tough break on Wang.
His front shoulder really flew open on the home run to Lind and his throwing shoulder trailed really badly. Thats’ why the ball was up.
I wonder if it happened on that pitch.
They are going to need to come up with a completely new starter now or reconfigure the bull pen.
YES network, made a good point about Damon who grew up a military brat.
Bring in the military Wounded Warriors on the Fourth of July.
Check.
Sing God Bless America during the 7th inning stretch.
Check
Immediately hit Homerun off Roy Halladay to tie the game.
Check.
Tough tough day for Cano…
Is it just me or is he trying to pull every single ball thrown at him?
Cano best swing is to left field so Kevin Long should work with him on that, also with men on base
Ivan Nova just got to AAA, no way they rush him, even if just for a start. I would not mind seeing McAllister for 1 start, or even Igawa, no lie.
At this point, its come down to two things with Cano:
If they insist on him hitting 5th all year, he is going to have to get PH for from the 7th inning on for the rest of the year everytime he hits with guys on base because he is a liability.
Or, move him down in the order and play him everyday.
Much easier to do the second option than the first.
He’s killing this team hitting 5th day.
big spot for hughes here…do your think phil!
When Sergio Mitre was signed and they gave him $1.5 mil(?), knowing that he was suspended for the first 50 games of the season, I wondered why.
Well, now he may be the savior.
Girardi trusts him from his days with marlins.
why do some of you want a minor league pitcher brought up to start when you have Hughes, who has made multiple quality starts this year, ready to go? It makes absolutely no sense when you could either pitch Hughes or Aceves if Wang has to miss a start, either one is a far better choice than a minor leaguer. Nova has made 1 start above AA ball, how could he be ready?
So what happens now?
Hughes to the rotation?
Who picks up his slack in the bullpen?
Melancon ain’t ready.
Not a chance Igawa gets another opportunity.
Honestly, I think Zack McAllister has a better chance of getting a start and I don’t see that happening either.
At least McAllister has a future with the team. Igawa does not.
come on Youuuuuuuse!
DFA Cano please.
DFA Cano please.
DFA Cano please.
What a a chance Kennedy is missing with his injury….
When is he expexted to be ready? He is rehabbing.
why do some of you want a minor league pitcher brought up to start when you have Hughes, who has made multiple quality starts this year, ready to go? It makes absolutely no sense when you could either pitch Hughes or Aceves if Wang has to miss a start, either one is a far better choice than a minor leaguer. Nova has made 1 start above AA ball, how could he be ready?
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Hughes needs to be stretched back out, that takes time
just back from mowing – nice to the score 5-5
****Doreen July 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
This is a game the Yankees will win.
I’m hearing WAng has a shoulder injury possibly. Poor guy. He was just coming around.****
If they’re using Hughes this game, it’s a good sign that they don’t think it’s serious.
I don’t know if mitre is ready yet to throw in the majors. I think the most pitches he’s thrown in AAA was 87 and he’s still building up arm strength.
They could bring up Ivan Nova or McCallister.
But if Wang’s out then I they’ll need to move Hughes back to the rotation.
The division is too close to try out guys in the rotation.
They’ll need to come up with a way to fill in for hughes’ spot in the pen.
Phil!
Will some of you idiots stop cussing on this site!
Pete’s editors are going to shut this place down if it keeps up.
If you aren’t capable of communicating without swearing, go somewhere else.
Phil Hughes is a red hat specialist.
DFA Cano please.
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dind ding ding
We have a winner for the stupid comment of the day
Wow, Phil – did he even break a sweat? lol
I think Swisher would get a start before Igawa.
Phil comes through again…and on the 7th day God said, “Let their be PHIL HUGHES!!!”
“why do some of you want a minor league pitcher brought up to start when you have Hughes, who has made multiple quality starts this year, ready to go? It makes absolutely no sense when you could either pitch Hughes or Aceves if Wang has to miss a start, either one is a far better choice than a minor leaguer. Nova has made 1 start above AA ball, how could he be ready?”
Gee I don’t know maybe because neither has pitched over 2 innings in probably at least a month? They’lllikelybe limited to 50 pitches that first start and you’ll (again) kill your pen. Or you can have faith in a young guy and give him a shot. That way you also don’t severely weaken the pen by taking out Hughes or Aceves.
I really think the Yanks are going to leave Hughes where he is and try to insert another starter for the time being.
I don’t think they are going to want to disrupt the applecart given how Bruney is not at all himself yet.
Maybe that will change if Bruney rights himself and a guy liek Mitre isn’t working out.
the reason you consider other pitchers in AAA is because the bullpen would be hurt badly if you take Hughes or Aceves out of it.
Nice pitching by Phil once again. Will not take long to stretch him out if needed. Everyone has already stated that.
….Also, as I understand Mitre is a Wang clone with an effective sinker.
according to David Cone, it would take Hughes 2 starts to be throwing 100+ pitches again in a game, I’ll take that in a heartbeat, particularly when Aceves can throw a few innings behind him.
With this apparent injury it sure looks like a lost year for Wang, he’s probably going to be DLed and then have a rehab assigment and it will be August before he’s ready to go again.
No way to do I throw Phil back out there – this was his first back to back and he threw a decent amt of pitches yesterday. Yanks need to be careful with this guy
If game remains tied, bring Hughes out for one more inning?
When Swisher plays, try putting him in the 2 hole and Damon in the 5th spot. Thoughts?
Cone said that Hughes doesnt really need to be stretched out. Throw him in 5 days because he gives you your best chance at winning.
Bring up someone else to fill his bullpen spot.
Easier to get 3 outs than 27 outs, Hughes is a superior out maker right now. Give him the ball. Easy.
If you are too scared to do that because of ‘the 8th inning’, then you need to consider Sergio Mitre or Igawa, I don’t think they bring up a young gun.
OR go Aceves for 3, Hughes for 2-3, rest of the BP for 3.
One of those ‘bullpen day’ games
Why not give aceves a spot in the rotation if wang is hurt…?
Cano is struggling right now. we all agree on that.
Arod up to this point is doing just fine with Cano behind him. With out any stats to back it up I would say Arod is doing better with Cano behind him, then Matsui.
My question is this– where does everybody propose to put Cano?
6th spot. So how many more AB with risp does the 5th spot get then the 6th spot. or the 7th spot. Maybe CB can answer that.
You can not hide Cano, nor do you want to. He is too good of a hitter who is in a slump. Like Arod and Tex earlier this year. Like them he will get hot again.
I am stuck in Fox – Braves country and can’t watch the game. How was the tribute to the Great Lou? I didn’t see any feedback above.
With The Wanger’s injury, PepeAbe is busy uncovering the extent and didn’t post…
Thanks.
Not a chance Igawa gets another opportunity.
Honestly, I think Zack McAllister has a better chance of getting a start and I don’t see that happening either.
At least McAllister has a future with the team. Igawa does not.
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McAllister is in AA and Nova got moved up before him
Hughes gave up three flies, but only 8 pitches. His first back-to-back games and still was hitting 93-95 MPH with his fastball. Not bad at all.
2-0 take that pitch Posada
The more you watch Hughes in the pen though, especially with Bruney scuffling, I’d be more tempted to leave Hughes in the pen, and give one of the minor league guys a shot at filling Wang’s spot in the rotation.
If Bruney was pitching up to snuff, and they had other guys to fill roles behind him? Different deal.
However, with the way Hughes changes the look of the pen, I think I’d try a minor league starter in the 5th spot in the rotation before moving Hughes.
SJ, you hit the nail on the head re: Cano. It is frustrating to see how he doesn’t mature as a player. He gets by on his talent, but could be so much better. He’s once again reverted to all his bad habits. He should be pencilled into the lineup at #7. He kills the team batting fifth. One of Matsui, Posada, Swisher, or even Hinske should bat fifth.
As for who starts assuming Wang is gone. It has to be Hughes. He has earned the chance to start. Let’s not forget that he was coming into his own as a starter before being moved to the pen. Yanks can find another solution to the 8th. Hughes is best served in the rotation if available.
Jerkface..totally agree. It is the same argument Pete Abe has made about Joba in the 8th inning.
it will take a while to get Hughes back into starting shape. They may not want to tinker with that this season.
I would leave Hughes in the bullpen, and bring up someone from Scranton to make some starts.
Aceves and Hughes will have to be stretched out and would be very compromised to have them start with such a small pitch-count.
>DFA Cano please.
http://imgur.com/VWvVM.jpg
Call up Igawa!
Hughes, Aceves , or Rivera the next inning if we’re still tied?
Give Posada a lot of credit for protecting his pitcher.
Whatever it was that Posada saw from Wang he jumped on it immediately.
Wang was not going to take himself out of the game.
Let’s hope it is only a minor strain. If it is, the Posada not letting him try to throw through it saved Wang from injuring that shoulder any more.
Veteran move by a catcher.
Matsui: He loves him some DH.
People…
Cano has a .209 BAbip, that’s not unlucky, that’s insanely unlucky. It’s also a fluke just like his .409 BAbip leading off innings is. Is some of it possibly his approach to these AB’s, possibly, sometimes bad luck can lead to a hitter changing things that don’t need changed. The vast majority of it is a fluke.
Not to mention:
The 3 other Yankees that have seen significant time in the #5 spot, Matsui, Posada & Swisher have hit…drum roll…
0.153 in 125 AB’s, what do you think they’re hitting with RISP? Cano has driven in almost 3 times as many runner per AB than the above-mentioned three in the #5 slot. (and yes the other 3’s performance is a fluke also)
The difference in RISP situations for the #5 slot and #6, & #7 spots is not very significant and has more to do with those spots getting fewer AB’s as a whole than anything else on this team. If Cano hit #7 he’d have A-Rod Swisher, Posada and sometimes Matsui hitting in front of him and all of them get on base a lot. He would still have a tone of RISP situations so how is moving him a magic bullet?
It’s a silly argument and yet another example of people talking instead of thinking…especially a professional writer like PA.
Time to put matsui in the 5th spot if girardi doesn’t want cano and matsui back to back.
Wang shouldn’t be counted on for the rest of this year and possibly next.
Draw from either Aceves, Hughes, or at AAA unless a starter shakes out at the 7/31 trading deadline.
Time for Melky’s ubiquitous clutch hit…
“I think Swisher would get a start before Igawa.”
Haven’t you learned anything on LoHud? You don’t weaken your bullpen just to help the rotation.
line drive
Matsui is starting to get hot. There is the solution for your #5 hitter in the spot dilemma.
SEA-BOS
Nice 1-2-3- 8th from Corky…
-Jason Bay K’s
-Big Papi lines out to 2B (nice grab Lopey!)
-Tek grounds out
to the top of the 9th we go…
Go M’s bats!!!
Nick in SF July 4th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
“I think Swisher would get a start before Igawa.”
Haven’t you learned anything on LoHud? You don’t weaken your bullpen just to help the rotation.
haha
Boy – I’m torn. I want Phil to get his innings and I’ve expressed my concern about that many times, but…….do I want to remove him from the pen now? Bruney is shaky and Robertson is strictly for low-leverage situations. If Wang is out for a long time, then Phil has to be put in the rotation and bullpen help acquired. If it’s just for a few starts, then maybe you can get by with a minor leaguer. Still, Wang wasn’t even fully back stamina-wise from the lis franc injury
this is turning into another ‘Joba should be in the bullpen’ arguments, only this time with Hughes. He’s a top of the rotation potential starter, you don’t leave him in the bullpen when a spot is open. If they need a relief pitcher they can find one before the end of July when the trade deadline hits.
Please no Mo in a non save situation
“The more you watch Hughes in the pen though, especially with Bruney scuffling, I’d be more tempted to leave Hughes in the pen, and give one of the minor league guys a shot at filling Wang’s spot in the rotation”
Agree completely.
Enter Sandman
Excellent Carl!
MG thank you. Totally agree. Makes no sense on him not starting if rotation spot is open.
Mo do your Job i smell a 4th of July walk off
Obviously it depends on how badly Wang is injured and how many starts they think he may miss. If it’s one, or maybe two, then you can gamble, I think, on McAllister, Nova, or Mitre. Heck, Chase Wright won a game before the video caught up to him.
The thing is, you don’t want to fix a problem, the rotation, by creating a new on in the pen. Cash has said he likes to look internally first, so he might go that route. Why use up trade chips for only a short term issue? That is, if it truly is a short term issue.
Just back from a few hours along the Charles River in Boston. Far fewer people than in years past. I think they are worried about losing two in a row to Seattle.
Regarding Hughes – first you have to see how serious this is for Wang and how long he will be out. If it is 2-3 starts with the All Star break you bring someone up from the minors – who is on the 40 man?
If it is the remainder of the season than Hughes is your starter.
No answers possible without knowing the extent of the injury.
Never ever feel sorry for Halladay,he’s owned the Yankees.it’s way over due he loses,to the Yankees.I can’t wait.
“So how many more AB with risp does the 5th spot get then the 6th spot. or the 7th spot. ”
TarheelYank,
I can’t answer it specifically, but it depends on who they would slot into the 5th spot to peg down.
Either way I’d guess that it would be a fairly significant number because Tex and Alex get on base so much. Because the two guys right before spot 5 get on base so much spot 5 in the yankees line up will see a ton of opportunities with RISP.
Also, while Alex is very hot right now on a rate basis, he is definitely having some hitting opportunities being translated into walks as he’s clearly being pitched around.
That means even though he might have a high batting average with RISP recently he’s not seeing as many effective opportunities to knock in runs as he might were he not getting pitched around.
I Hinske does not pinch-hit in that situation for GGBG, when he is going to play for the Crew Cut Cid?
McAllister is in AA and Nova got moved up before him
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Yes, I know. But Pena and Cervelli were plucked out of Double-A this season.
Joba only spent a week or two in Scranton when he was called up in 2007.
It’s not an unheard of concept to get someone from Double-A to help the big club. It happens all the time.
thanks, JohnnyCakes, say hi to Vito for me and remind him he owes me 3 large…
well played Rickles.
On to the 9th we go. don’t let Aaron Hill beat you.
Top of the order coming up at the bottom of the 9th.
hold them down mo…top of the order in the bottom of the 9th!
SJ,
I think what the Yankees do depends on how serious the injury is with Wang. If it’s a one or two starts injury, they’ll leave Hughes in the pen.
If it’s going to be a month or more, you need a reliable starter and Hughes is the best bet.
Shoulda left Phil in
Please don’t give me a ridiculous stathead argument about Cano hitting 5th.
He’s not “unlucky”. He’s a terrible hitter in RISP situations because he tries to pull everything and hits everything on the ground.
Its not a stat argument. Its a results argument.
This is when stats and reality of those who love by them, lose any credibility when you see how poor his AB’s are with RISP hitting 5th.
You know who pitches today for Scranton – the K man. He would have to be added to the 40 man but a few spot starts and maybe you can earn back some of that posting fee.
Why is your handle “haiku-man”? I haven’t see you post any haiku.
Jerkface,
Why would you leave Phil in? He has already gone back to back days. Why not put in Mo, he is a shutdown guy. Shut them down in the top half, score in the bottom half..we all go home
Mo!! We need to score soon! Extra innings are no good for the bullpen!
Has anyone brought up the fact that Mo ain’t so good coming into tie games. Anyone other than me?
How can you leave Phil in? That would have been a terrible move – his arm needs to be protected. He threw a decent amount of pitches yesterday (not a lot, but not like 6) and this was his first back to back. I can see Joe is going to get second-guessed, but that’s foolish – no matter what happens.
As much as I don’t like Mo pitching in non-save situations, this one makes sense with the top of the order up in the 9th.
Phil only threw 8 piitches. He can go one more. Come on Junior Joe!
Ugh. Chavez putting up too much of a battle.
Honestly Josh, I think they can cover a #5 spot in the rotation from within easier than they can covering Hughes’ spot in the bullpen.
They really don’t have anybody of quality who can take Hughes’ spot in the pen right now.
They do have starter options. Especially since its the 5th spot in the rotation.
SJ-Why doesn’t your reasoning (you don’t have a great arm in the bullpen) for putting Joba in the starting rotation apply to Phil Hughes. It seems like your argument for leaving PH in the bullpen is the same argument the “put Joba in the bullpen crowd” have been arguing for the past 2 years. I am not trying to be ugly in any way, because I respect your opinions, just like to know your rationale.
SJ44
Then why, pray tell, have Swisher, Posada & Matsui all performed MUCH WORSE in the #5 hole this year in a combined 125 AB’s? Not one of them comes close to hitting .200 and have a total of 8 RBI in those 125 AB’s. Do they all suck too?
Wow. Just Wow. Mo in tie games. Don’t get it. Nevr will.
come on Mo
Jerkface,
Why would you leave Phil in? He has already gone back to back days. Why not put in Mo, he is a shutdown guy. Shut them down in the top half, score in the bottom half..we all go home
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Leave him in because he only threw 8 pitches. If he is a back to back reliever I consider that he should be able to throw like 20-30 pitches total.
Mo has been used a lot recently, so save him for a save situation or when going at the heart of torontos order
What is with these foul balls!
Kay just mentioned. Mo has been in 5 of the last 6. And he can’t put away Chavez and Scutaro?
Do these Toronto hitters foul EVERYTHING off? My lord. 15 pitches, through 2 batters, 7 foul balls lol
Should Wang miss time, and with a strained shoulder I’m sure he will, gives a couple interesting options.
One is use Hughes, which i would be against. He has really given the pen consistency.
They could go safe route. That would be Mitre. MLB experience. Solid AAA numbers.
Or they could go high risk/reward. That would be Nova or McAlister.
Personally I’d like to see Nova or McAlister, but I’d put money on Mitre.
I don’t understand why he would use Mo in this situation
Get someone else up.
Way too many foul balls.
I spoke to soon.
Nice DP
Come on Seattle!
Can’t argue with results.
SJ,
Maybe right now, but you are testing the depth if you go that route. If Wang misses significant time, another injury could be crippling. There’s no guarantee that Pettitte stays healthy or effective. Yes, the pen is a concern and Hughes solidifies it, but there are trade options too.
Plus, imo, it’s best for Hughes to start for his development, so if there’s a chance for him to start he should.
That’s a good way to exorcise the Scutaro demon.
wow, it’s Mo – I don’t care what his record is in tie games, he’s better than anyone in the pen (and leaving Phil in would have been foolish).
If this game goes extras, who comes in – Tomko?
Top of the nith, tie game, at home, you bring in your closer.
seattle bases loaded top of the 9th. 1 out
Don W July 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
SJ44
Then why, pray tell, have Swisher, Posada & Matsui all performed MUCH WORSE in the #5 hole this year in a combined 125 AB’s? Not one of them comes close to hitting .200 and have a total of 8 RBI in those 125 AB’s. Do they all suck too?
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Matsui and Posada have long track records of being big run producers.
Cano does not. He has never been a strong run producer.
Come on Mo put him away!
Mo. You are something else.
Mo!
Cant argue with the results but Mo has been working a lot lately. He better not pitch tomorrow.
Should be a no brainer if Wang is down.
Hughes back in the rotation where he belongs.
Be a helluva lot easier to replace him the pen than find a potentially dominant starter that he could be.
mo gets the tough Aaron Hill.
Seattle scores 3-2!
3-2 mariners
SJ
“Its not a stat argument. Its a results argument.”
OK what were the results of Posada, Swisher and Matsui batting 5th?
Man, Mo was peppering the outside corner on Scutaro; perfect command.
The outside corner on Gameday looks like a globular cluster.
M’s take the lead 3-2!!!
Way to go, Woody!
bases still loaded, one out, top 9
3-2 Mariners. Three walks and a bloop single for Saito. Bases still loaded 1 out.
Lets win in the 9th
Mariner’s just scored with bases loaded!
3-2!
1 out
Seattle takes the lead in the 9th!!!
Wonder if the whipped cream has spoiled?
The loss of Ian Kennedy is being felt right now…..Leave Phil in the pen and find someone to take the ball every fifth day for the next 2 weeks…..Washburn alert / countdown starts now…..
Jeter will win it walk off style!
My reasoning is, its in the middle of the season and they don’t have anybody to cover Hughes’ spot in the bullpen.
If it was earlier in the season? Different story.
I wouldn’t weaken the bullpen in order to find a 5th starter in the rotation in the middle of the season.
I’d rather solve that problem from within.
SJ – I, too, am confused by your comments about wanting to leave Hughes in the pen. Wouldn’t you rather get more starter innings out of Hughes than limited bullpen innings from him? (i.e. Joba?)
Always good to watch the Sux lose the lead in the top of the 9th.
Walk off homer
Pat M, the M’s wanted Austin Jackson for Washburn last year -and the Yanks wouldn’t bite. They’ll ask for a lot more this time around – no thanks.
Yeah Seattle!
Always good to watch the Sux lose the lead in the top of the 9th.
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Yeah baby
This is the exact scenario in which you free Hughes from the bullpen. You guys have to not be lured in by the allure of the 8th inning man. Yea he looks good in the bullpen, he is a beast, he looked good in the rotation this year too.
Bring up Albie or someone to pitch the 8th, we already have Coke and Aceves
2 outs
bases still loaded
Ichiro up
Ichiro up with the bases loaded against Siato
Giuseppe
That is a much better argument than the one so many have put forth. Cano does seem to have a situational hitting issue, his career RISP OPS is a hundred points lower than his overall career RISP. That has nothing to do with the fact that he’s been really unlucky this year with RISP. I would have have him 7th but that is not going to make the team noticably better because the 5 guys hitting in front of him will all be on base in the .380 range. He’ll get a ton of RISP opportunities in the #7 hole as well.
You put a good young starter in the bullpen so he can work on his confidence and wait for his chance. This is his chance.
FREE HUGHES
cano will get his walk-off hit..
This is why Jeter is special.
Great AB
Wishfull wondering…
On the beach, at barbecues…
Walk-off on the 4th?
Ichiro pops up. Lets hope they can close it.
Matsui and Posada have been more consistent and clutch run producers than Cano has been his entire career.
His AB’s aren’t even competitive with RISP at this point.
Can’t leave him in there and hope he finds it.
Jeter should be put in motion….
Hit and run or steal.
Just don’t have him sit there. Please.
Damon has to bunt
Thanks SJ for clarifying, so your not advocating the use of PH there long term, just for this year even if his performance is lights out from the pen. Correct?
pop up. crum.
here comes the D.A.
to the bottom of the 9th we go…
the Yankees either win the game in the 9th or they are in trouble in extra innings, it happens like that all the time. Tomko would probably pitch the 10th because Aceves pitched 3 innings on Thursday.
Great AB by Jeter.
Thanks Don W. you stated the case a lot better then I did.
Damon has to bunt
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Damon is not a good bunter
While Cano obviously has had his problems hitting in the 5 hole with RISP, overall he’s a .312 hitter when he bats 5th this season. Posada, who is better with RISP is only hitting .163 this season when he bats 5th. And Matsui is only a .154 when he hits 5th this season.
Steal or hit and run get him to second!
Aceves or Coke would pitch before Tomko.
Obviously.
Damon, why?!
Hey Sis! Happy happy 4th!!!
One down, two to go.
Tex should bunt down the 3rb base line!
This sounds ridiculous but the shift is on Tex so heavily it would be awesome if he could lay down a bunt. Or just shoot a single through the opening.
the problem with using Coke and Aceves today is that you already probably don’t have Mo and Hughes for tomorrow. Both Coke and Ace have pitched a lot recently, you can’t burn out the whole bullpen in the same game.
Living right = being a Yankee fan in RI, on as beautiful, lazy, dry, breezy, 4th of July, watching the Sux take the pipe in the bottom of the 9th, on their way to losing 2 in a row.
OH YEAH!
Seattle wins!
sux lost.
“the problem with using Coke and Aceves today is that you already probably don’t have Mo and Hughes for tomorrow. Both Coke and Ace have pitched a lot recently, you can’t burn out the whole bullpen in the same game.”
Worry about tomorrow tomorrow.
Play to win the freaking game.
This isn’t chess. Its baseball.
It’s either get a starter or another arm in the pen….Keep Hughes in the pen, as the Yanks have been able to shorten the game to 7 innings now…That’s part of the recent success….
King Joba,
Yes.
Here’s my point……
If you put Hughes in the rotation, he isn’t going deep into games.
Who covers his innings, as well as Joba’s with quality work out of the pen? None of the options are good.
If you keep Hughes in the pen, he moves everybody down a peg and the bullpen options are more plentiful.
At first blush, I think it may be a better way to go for this year.
Seriously how many at bats does Matsui have hitting 5th this season? 7? Plus he doesn’t have any lately, which is when he’s been picking up huge steam. Go with the hot hand, not the guy who is 0 for his last 17 in RISP. It is botching easy decisions like that one that makes Girardi the brilliant mind that he is
You can actually HEAR Texeira exhale on YES
Congratulations to my west coast sis and her wonderful Mariners!
WOO HOO!!!!!
Lets go Alex!
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWESOME road trip (no matter WHAT happens tomorrow)
2-1 v.s Dodgers
1 at the Stadium
at LEAST 2 vs. Sox in FENWAY
whoo-hoo!!!!
p.s. you are WELCOME Yank fans
Happy 4th of July!!
Walk A-Rod for Cano
Walk A-Rod
Induce a Cano grounder.
All A-Rod, All the time.
do they walk Alex
BOOOOOOOOO! Cano redeem yaself!
lol cano
oh man intentional walk for arod.
Let’s go Robbie!
Cano will get his chance – someone called it like 10 minutes ago.
You know they are gonna walk Arod to get to Cano
and this is why you cannot keep cano 5th.
even if he comes through. word is he cannot his with RISP.
haha Cano is gonna blow it
I’d pinch hit Hinske for Cano but Girardi won’t. And with Ransom in as DH, the IF configuration would be tough.
walk Alex to get to Cano, smart move, hope it backfires but anybody with a brain would do the same.
Walking Alex to get to Cano. Can’t say I am surprised. Hopefully this ignites Cano to make them pay!
the problem with using Coke and Aceves today is that you already probably don’t have Mo and Hughes for tomorrow. Both Coke and Ace have pitched a lot recently, you can’t burn out the whole bullpen in the same game.
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they might put Wang on the DL and bring up help
get the pie ready for Robbie Cano.
Please provef me wrong Cano. Please. 1 for your last 18. Please.
miggs, for you to say that means you just don’t understand baseball. If Coke and Aceves have to pitch today and Mo has pitched 5 out of 6 days and Hughes 2 days in a row who would be available tomorrow other than Tomko and Robertson?
Well Cano get a hit and all is forgotten for today.
You dont walk A-rod with Matusi coming up
They will walk ARod to pitch to Cano. Here is another chance for Robbie.
At some point, he has to produce in this spot or he can’t stay in it.
this would be a great time to break this risp skid for cano
Cano. Redemption. Make it happen!
Even Toronto knows Robbie couldn’t buy a hit with RISP. Would it be too much to ask him to prove them wrong?
King Joba,
Yes.
Here’s my point……
If you put Hughes in the rotation, he isn’t going deep into games.
Who covers his innings, as well as Joba’s with quality work out of the pen? None of the options are good.
If you keep Hughes in the pen, he moves everybody down a peg and the bullpen options are more plentiful.
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None of the pitchers you’re bringing up from AAA are guaranteed to go deep in games. You can bring up melancon, or albie to get garbage innings after Hughes if he blows it.
However this year he has shown he is capable of going deep. He can do it. Now if you’re saying its just a pitch count thing, then ok, but thats only 1 start. And he has been mighty efficient in the pen, it could translate back to the rotation.
Just doesnt make any sense to not go with the BEST pitcher.
I hope Cano proves the naysayers wrong
Aceves has NOT pitched a lot lately…
Of course it comes down to this.
Either Girardi is vindicated or we’ve finally seen the end of Cano in the 5 hole.
gulp
Cano
Damn, I’d walk Alex right here too, if I was the Blue Jays.
Thanks, Sis.
The funniest thing on SoSH today was a poster commenting on Suzyn Waldman’s red, white and blue sequin vest while their “captain” was donning the tools of ignorance a rather garish red, white, blue with stars.
Come on Robbie. Get the Pie in the face.
Cano.
Chance to silence all the haters.
FYI going into today only 6 players in the entire ML have more hits than Cano. And his defense has been fantastic.
If nothing else, he has to put together a representative AB.
Swinging at the first pitch out of the zone and grounding out to second can’t continue much longer.
Thanks SJ, do you ever forsee a scenario where a talent like PH or Joba is left in the pen and developed as the closer.
“You know they are gonna walk Arod to get to Cano”
They walk Arod to get to anybody else in this spot.
ugh Tex – well, who couldn’t see the IBB coming? This is where Joe’s stubborness hurts the team – the team’s best hitter doesn’t get a chance to hit because Cano is in the 5th spot.
Red Sox lost 3-2. Go Cano. 0-19 will not be good with RISP.
why was damon not bunting? this game is over by now
Miggs,
True, and he has one of the worst BA with RISP of any everyday player in baseball.
Its these situations, not his overall game, that is a weakness.
Carlson is a tough lefty. Cano needs to take him the other way
Kay just said Cano is slumping. Yesterday he said he was “red hot” when he hit the homer!
This is exactly why Cano is best suited for the 5 spot. I mean, really, who would you really have up here, him or Jorge ?…hold up, wait a minute, doesn’t Jorge hit from both sides of the plate ?
“miggs, for you to say that means you just don’t understand baseball. If Coke and Aceves have to pitch today and Mo has pitched 5 out of 6 days and Hughes 2 days in a row who would be available tomorrow other than Tomko and Robertson?”
MG the Yankees could lose by 10 runs tomorrow. But hey, at least you’d have Aceves and Coke rested.
Chamberlain could also give you 7-8 innings tomorrow. You don’t know.
What you DO know is the team has a chance to win today. And you don’t leave arms in the pen to save for tomorrow.
Don’t tell me I don’t understand baseball…that just makes you lose even more credibility.
Terrible
Cano’s conjecture…
Swings, contents under pressure…
A pie man paces…
Who comes in next inning if the Yankees don’t score? Can Aceves go after pitching over two innings on Thursday?
That didn’t just happen, did it?
I called that a mile away. Scroll up.
Wow, Cano pulls another ground ball. Shocking.
Another failure. I know, “bad luck”.
wow. f* U cano
shocking
yikes.
i dont care how well he looks like he is hitting, 1-19 with risp cannot hit behind the clean up hitter.
Look up “useless” in the dictionary, and you will see a picture of Cano. If he is batting 5th tomorrow, Joe needs to be institutionalized.
baffling…how has this happened to robbie, he such a good hitter
SJ will back me up on this…would you ever use Tomko to “save” Coke and Aceves for tomorrow?
Just give your honest answer.
Remind me again why he’s batting 5th…god.
Cano is Masochistically Brutal
At least it was hit hard and not to second more to first. That wasn’t even that high pressure of situation like Kay said because they are tied and not down by a run. All Cano was preventing was extra inning which would have been nice but he didn’t need to feel unbearable pressure there. I think his time in the 5th hole may have long past. 0 for his last 19 with RISP?
there ya go…o fer 5, with only 8 men LOB…the PERFECT #5 hitter….keep him there Joe, you are the smartest MGR in MLB !
Instead he pull another pitch and grounds out.
It’s not luck.
Cano simply has not been hitting line drives consistently with men on base.
It’s one ground ball after another. He tries pulling everything when there are men on base.
If he was hitting consistent line drives you could make some kind of “luck” argument.
But not when he’s rolling over on the ball time and time again.
But Girardi isn’t holding back our team right? RIGHT?
Is Girardi as dumb as he appears to be? How long will Cano ground weakly to 2B with RISP?
obviously Cano (like Melky), frowns on the pie.
Didn’t you hear when girardi was asked why cano still bats fifth he said, “he hit the ball really hard two times!”
Wow… Cano will be killed in the post game, and rightly so if they loose this game….
Nice… Coke is in.
Lind homerun off Coke, watch.
So, is this the game we see Hinske?
This approach by Cano is why I have never put Cano on my untouchable list. If the right deal ever came along, I certainly would be willing to trade him. I’ve said the same even when he has been red hot.
Rolen homerun off Coke, watch.
I would definitely use Coke here.
Gotta try to win this game. Its not Tomko time.
They aren’t losing by 5 runs. That’s when its his time! lol
You all must know nothing about baseball. I dont know how you all can be upset at Cano. Girardi is the man to blame. Jeter walks, then you bunt Damon, the Jays weren’t going to walk Tex to get to A-rod to walk him to get to Cano. That’s just baseball 101. You’re 3rd and 4th batters are paid to drive in runs, not your #2 hitter.
Sis, tell ya what. I loved what Waldman had on. I love the 4th of July, and I love the red white and blue, and I love patriotism, so I say good for her! Better still, she couldn’t care less what trite fools have to say since she can buy and sell them! So I guess the joke is on them, as they sit in their littler bungalos, feverishly typing on the keyboards of computers, while she is broadcasting baseball for the New York Yankees.
Overbay homerun off Coke here, watch.
Coke is throwing at 94 mph wow
With Matsui and Posada hitting well lately, it makes NO SENSE to bat a guy who is pressing behind A-Rod. If you leave him there, they will stop pitching to A-Rod with runners on, causing him to press, causing Teixeira to slump when he doesn’t get anything to hit as we saw earlier. If A-Rod and Teixeira aren’t going, the whole lineup will stop going, and they will struggle.
It makes NO SENSE to leave Cano 5th if he is pressing, regardless of whether you see “signs.” Well guess what? He is 0 for his last 18 with RISP. He is hitting under .200 on the season after today with RISP. He is hitting .245 in his CAREER with RISP in nearly 800 at bats.
The stats speak for themselves, and anyone actually watching the games can see that he is struggling. If you leave him there, you are HURTING YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING. Why would you let him continue to make it more difficult to win games?
Hard to see a situation for Hinske to hit in. You don’t want to weaken defense in the late innings.
I’d rest Aceves. Soke finishes the inning and if the Yanks don’t score bring in Tomko and cross your fingers
Love the thought put into this statement:
“Bring up Albie or someone to pitch the 8th, we already have Coke and Aceves”
LOL way to look at the big picture.
Does anyone know the innings cap that was set upon Hughes this year?
The same people that screamed about Joba staying in the pen want Hughes out of it?
Some people think you shouldn’t criticize the manager, but how can you not when he keeps batting Cano 5th and cites his decision not to move A-Rod and Tex when they struggled as the justification, thereby failing to understand that they, unlike Cano, are world class hitters with great plate discipline?
At least Cano could hit the ball to another fielder, this is like ground hog day with him and risp.
i say if gardner gets to the plate, PH him.
Greg W Li, you kill girardi because he continuously bats cano 5th when he is hitting .200 with risp. Not because damon didn’t bunt, he just hit a home run to tie the game in the 7th.
Not sure what the cost will be, but, John Grabow will be with the Yanks within two weeks.
Posada-ransom-cabrera
could pinch hit hinske for ransom, and swisher for Gardner
Is Coke on pace to appear in 150 games or something.
Lineup fix is is simple. Matsui # 5 vs RHP, Posada # 5 vs LHP
BG!
nice play gardy!!!
Gardner, you motorboatin’ sunuva….
Thank you Gardenhoser !
GGBG, Philthy!
Not sure what the cost will be, but, John Grabow will be with the Yanks within two weeks.
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Source? And why? 1.5 whip, gross, 5 BB/9, grosssss
Gardner has Range…
He was really deep to protect against the double.
Thank you SJ44. I was starting to lose it there.
Great catch by Gardner. Even better Coke only throws 8 pitches. He can go at least one more inning.
How are those HR predictions looking? Coke has been great for over a month now.
He’s not Tomko, Veras or Ramirez.
Alright Jorge, finish this off and make everyone’s burgers and beers taste better tonight.
Atta boy Coca Cola!
We can PH Swish right?
“Not sure what the cost will be, but, John Grabow will be with the Yanks within two weeks.”
If we add Eric Duncan Cashman should pull the trigger on that Zach Duke deal.
Brett Gardner with the red cap aka. Michael Schumacher in his Ferrari… nice play!
Phil Coke looks like he’s back to the form he showed at the end of last year when he was so good.
His velocity is great. And his slider is sharp again.
If he’s going to throw 94 with that slider he is going to be very effective as a reliever.
off topic – it is being reported steve mcnair passed away? (on twitter) anyone hear this?
Did Jeter even try to steal? Why are the Yankees so passive on the basepaths?
Hinske will pinch hit for DH Ransom I suspect.
Steve McNair was shot and killed in a double homicide/murder-suicide
RIP Steve McNair
http://profootballtalk.nbcspor.....air-slain/
Quarterback Steve McNair DEAD in murder suicide.
Forgot Ransom was in. That’s the play unless Posada gets on and you want to bunt/hit and run.
More like an 80-game pacefor Coke, but certainly a lot lately. Need that second lefty.
I really wanna see Posada get pied.
the W.B. Mason sign is calling Jorge….
“You all must know nothing about baseball. I dont know how you all can be upset at Cano. Girardi is the man to blame. Jeter walks, then you bunt Damon, the Jays weren’t going to walk Tex to get to A-rod to walk him to get to Cano. That’s just baseball 101. You’re 3rd and 4th batters are paid to drive in runs, not your #2 hitter.”
Except that you must know nothing about Damon admitting that he can’t bunt.
Great game on Independence Day.
i want to see a walk-off by Jorge so he gets a pie!!
Vito, the chances of damon hitting another homerun or a basehit are about 28-30%, with a bunt you have probably a 95% chance of putting the runner on 2nd and you have 2 outs to get a single to drive him in with your 3 and 4 hitters! Cano shouldn’t have even gotten up that inning
Bob(the original) July 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Overbay homerun off Coke here, watch.
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Did I miss it?
CB, I’ll tell you something AJ said about Coke but that’s after this game.
I don’t know anything about Grabow – is he any good? I don’t know, NL relievers coming to pitch in the AL, specifically the AL East – not thrilled about that. I guess we have no choice, though.
Steve McNair? Wow – he’s such a young man. What happened?
RIP Steve McNair
BB fan, my grandmother could bunt in that situation.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
“Not sure what the cost will be, but, John Grabow will be with the Yanks within two weeks.”
If we add Eric Duncan Cashman should pull the trigger on that Zach Duke deal.
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They could had Shelley Duncan, Duncan Hines and uncan Ffe, and they’re not getting Zach Duke for that along with Grabow.
Oh no……….oh wow. What a tragedy.
Brandon, inquiring minds want to know, lol
I don’t know anything about Grabow – is he any good? I don’t know, NL relievers coming to pitch in the AL, specifically the AL East – not thrilled about that. I guess we have no choice, though.
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Walks and strike outs, same as any number of guys we can bring up
I think it might have gone Hinske instead of Swisher here.
So close to a double!
“They could had Shelley Duncan, Duncan Hines and uncan Ffe, and they’re not getting Zach Duke for that along with Grabow.”
GB I was kiddinnnnnnnnnn
RIP McNair …
Grabow’s BB/9 is 5.1. No thanks.
Swish was 2 of 3 against Camp. Hinske was 0-2.
Who pitches the 11th?
If Melky gets on, Gardenhoser is due to have a GW
SJ. Swisher is a better on base guy than Hinske. Hinske has pop. Go Swisher for Ransom, Hinske for Gardner? That’s all I could think of.
All I want to say to the Yankee fans here who like to listen rather than talk:
YES
WE
CAN!!!!!
GO YANKEES!!!
GO DA MELK!!!
Another reason why you don’t make players out to be more than they are.
Nick is a very, very limited player. I’d rather have a guy who is used to pinch hitting than a limited and inexperienced PH in that situation.
Hinske is used to PH. Swisher is not.
I wouldn’t go by the numbers based on that.
Its moot now though.
What exactly was Melky looking for there? That pitch was tailor made to get poked in the right, and he just stared at it.
Will they ph Hinske for Cano if the spot comes up?
that pitch looked like it would be outside. that was a good pitch.
guess coke is going to bite the bullet here
YES it’s TOMKO TIME!
come on coke!…get a dp here
what in the hell was that?
it would’ve been nice if Hughes had gone another inning. I don’t care about your closer has to come in a tie game.
Leadoff walks score something like 70% of the time. Coke looked terrible that AB, and the sad thing is, it’s better than Tomko would look. Don’t like the looks of this at all.
The Yankees apparently now have the highest paid batboy in the Majors- Eric Hinske.
Cano 0-5 with 8 LOB today wow. This is one heck of a slump for him with men on.
Dangerous inning for Coke here, hold them and I think we will end it in the bottom half.
The bullpen is burnt out.
Expect a move for tomorrow.
Albaladejo for Robertson.
Also, if Wang is disabled, there will be another temporary move as they will not need a starter for four days.
I can’t look did he catch it !
Yeah we need a BP arm
UPDATE, 4:42 p.m.: You have to be careful using too much Coke. Don’t want to get carried away.
Are you saying Girardi’s becoming addicted to Coke? *insert eyerolls*
C’mon Coke, get this guy and our lineup will win it for us next at bat… we got Gardner then the top of hte order
One thing is for sure….
Joba is going to have to step up and give them innings tomorrow because the pen is cooked.
Peter Gammons/ESPN:
“Unless there is an unforeseen economic downturn that forces ownership into dump mode, the Indians won’t trade Cliff Lee, and probably won’t move Victor Martinez. To trade Lee, they’d have to get two premium pitching prospects and one premium hitting prospect.The only club that could match that would be Boston, and Theo Epstein isn’t giving up Clay Buchholz, Junichi Tazawa, Casey Kelly or Josh Reddick. If Boston is going to pay a high price for a hitter right now, they want someone young, especially with the possibility of replacing Jason Bay for the 2010 season.”
GJ Coke!
Thank you for regrouping, Coke.
Gardenhoser find a way to get on please !
Well done Coke
Time to finish this one off.
Gardner walk, steal second, third and home.
Pete,
I don’t think he’s addicted to Coke so much as he wants to avoid using Tomko at all costs.
This is what you people don’t get.
Maybe his BaBIP is so low because he isn’t HITTING THE BALL HARD?
Anyone who watches the games instead of cherry picking the stats can see that he is having bad at bats with runners on. He is pulling the ball a lot and hitting weak groundballs.
This is why you can’t just use selective stats to prove your point. What is his groundball percentage with runners in scoring position? I guarantee you it’s not good.
This is why you can’t make judgments on stats alone unless you are watching what the guy does. I don’t see him hitting the ball hard and being unlucky. I see a guy who’s not hitting the ball well or swinging at good pitches, which is why he is not “unlucky” but “bad.” You can’t say he’s “unlucky” just because his BaBIP is low if he’s not hitting it hard.
Whew. Good work by Coke. Win it here, please, because I’d really prefer not to see Tomko cough up a game that our pen has dominated.
No one can ever say Phil Coke doesn’t do any finger pointing.
Great job by Coke.
Good lineup coming up with 3 legit lead-off hitters: Gardner, Jeter and Damon…behind them, the big boppers: Tex, Arod and ….that’s it.
Yeah Bay made a mistake not signing an extension when Boston wanted him to.
Why didn’t Gardner bunt?
Coke has been a savior lately for our bullpen, we really need to give this guy a little rest soon so he’s not totally burnt out down the stretch run
They don’t score here, I think we’re in trouble.
not finding holes for gardy…come on jeter!!
why wasnt he PHed for?
We better win this inning.
Otherwise it will be Tomko time.
Who knows he may come through.
Nick Swisher as a pinch hitter this year: .333 .500 .667 1.167
This is what you people don’t get.
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Uh, yes we do actually.
I hate when runners look at the ball when they’re running to first.
Minka Kelly!
Minka Kelly is beautiful. Good going Derek!
Minka Kelly
OKay, shouldn’t Hinske have PH for Gardner?
who is that girl to the right?
Nice shot of Minka!!! Funny how Kay ignores and doesn’t mention her.
derek jeter slays
Jeter must be getting serious with Minka Kelly. She’s sitting with his parents.
Jeter gets a pass for bringing her to the park though right? Hypocrites
Jerkface,
How many AB’s? Seriously, who has more experience as a PH, Eric Hinske or Nick Swisher?
With the family?
Are Jeter’s playboy days over?
Looks like Minka?
stop showing the gf while there are clutch ABs going on, that’s a clear jinx move.
3-0 count turned in to an ugly strike out. Only the Yankees. This team frustrates me.
Kay may be out of touch.
But I thought Jeter doesn’t bring his girlfriend to the ballpark?
Only that selfish jackass and ridiculous diva A-Rod would do a thing like that.
SJ44,
Plus, Hinske needs to get into a game at some point to keep MLB ready.
I’d have been okay with using Swisher if Hinske had then Pinch Hit for Gardner. But as is, I’m baffled.
Have there been any photos of Jeter and Minka together? I mean it’s fairly obvious they are dating, but I was just curious. Lucky girl.
On to baseball: nasty change-up.
This game’s going to go awhile….
Tomko looming.
Shoot me now.
“OKay, shouldn’t Hinske have PH for Gardner?”
I wouldn’t leading off an inning. If GGBG gets on – he can be at 3rd base in two pitches.
Plus, you weaken the defense.
Seriously? Shawn Camp?
Whatever.
how are you watching the game, I thought it was blacked out
Probably Tomko time with Cano batting third the next inning.
Not exactly a winning formula.
This is Canos fault
Here comes Tomko
yikes. im less confident tomko can hold the tie.
Tomko…top of the order….game will be over soon.
Oh, hey. Tomko.
Kiss of death.
Because everyone thinks Tomko will fail, I think he will get it done
Beat It playing. How ironic.
Tomko gives up at least 2 here
Offense is in the deep freeze. Camp is a mediocre pitcher.
Couldn’t avoid Tomko and it’s likely going to cost them the game.
Carl he’s Mr. HR derby
I’ve seen Minka at the games more than a few times it’s just they don’t show her on tv like they show Kate.
come on tomko…you can get this done…help your team win a game!
Hi Guys -
Not a bathroom break this time, – a food break.
So, who was the girl in the seats with Jeter’s folks? Minka? Must be serious!
Bottom of the 12th is the yankees inning!
See y’all later/
Doesn’t anyone here feel panicy about this Wang injury? I mean, he was working his way back and now the shoulder injury. He’s become frail the last 2 years and this shoulder thing he had back in 01. I feel that this could spark some kind of trade I imagine. You don’t want to switch Hughes out of the pen now.
Is there any way that Halladay could re-enter the game so we can score? lol
Tomko has this…haters
Right, because Jeter doesn’t have publicists tell the TV cameras where to find her.
man the sun looks really tough right now
“I’ve seen Minka at the games more than a few times it’s just they don’t show her on tv like they show Kate.”
Well it’s because she’s not a big star. She’s an ok actress, not Meagan Fox or even Sophia Bush.
Camp ate us up
come on tomko!! one more!!
Tomko looks like a skinny Sidney Ponson.
Who do the Jays have left in their pen?
To be fair after they found out Arod was dating Kate, YES hasn’t shown her on tv, SNY made a huge deal out of it though.
Good Lord, don’t throw that pitch again!
Honestly, I think Meagan Fox is a crappy actress from everything I’ve seen of her, so far. Lucky she looks as good as she does, lol.
Oh Thank You JETSTREAM !
Nice catch Melky.
Tomko!
Thank you, Tomko, for not sucking.
Wow. Melky playing deep. Good positioning.
WHEW!
Stop pressing your luck guys and score a run now.
Don’t expect another shut out inning from Tomko.
“Brett Tomko is my 12th inning pitcher.” — Joe Girardi
Nice catch by Melky.
Still needs to learn how to anticipate that slice off the bat because those routes really diminish his range, but he made the play.
Tomko comes thru to the surprise of many
Offense has to close it out now.
Tomko has a miracle inning. Can Cano have a miracle AB and actually deliver a clutch hit or is asking for two miracles on one holliday too much to ask?
Peter Abraham
July 4th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Right, because Jeter doesn’t have publicists tell the TV cameras where to find her.
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Meow!
Nobody cares of Megan Fox can act. She doesn’t get big roles because she’s a superlative actress.
>“Brett Tomko is my 12th inning pitcher.” — Joe Girardi
Isn’t today Joba’s throw day?? I’d like to see him come in relief IF there is a next inning.
Minka is a decent young actress starring on a fantastic tv show dating a fantastic man. I wish I was her right now sitting next to Mrs. Jeter.
Teixeira is due.
Right, because Jeter doesn’t have publicists tell the TV cameras where to find her.
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Meow!
Well, they survived Tomko. This will be the inning.
Saw the question: I am concerned about Wang’s injury, but,what does anyone expect from a fan blog? What can we do about it?
So it was Minka. She looks so young, but so normal. Pretty, but in a very all-American ( no offense to anyone) way. Like my niece, who is a beauty.
It would be a great thing for Tex to end it here.
See y’all later.
Tex!!!
Another A-Rod walk to get to Cano?
They will walk Al and pitch to Robi.
Tex!
OH BOY!! THANK YOU, MARK!!
LET’S GO A-ROD, LET’S GO!
walk A-Rod again.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t help the Yanks much.
They are just going to walk A-Rod again with 1B open.
int walk – pitch to Cano.
Wow another walk
RIP air mcnair
Cano is going to have yet another chance!
AHAHAHAHAHAHA CANOPE!
Just Bunt Cano
Oh no, another intentional walk
Let’s go Robbie!
They are going to walk Arod to pitch to Cano.
Does anyone else almost expect Robbie to hit in to a triple play here?
Cano needs to do somethign here. They are walkling Alex to get to Cano. This stinks. Either CAno gets a hit, or Girardi has to stop the madness next game. It’s taking the bat out of Alex’s hands.
Bunt Cano.
Like I said. Having Cano hit fifth takes the bat right out of A-Rod’s hand. This is why you CANNOT bat Cano 5th, PERIOD.
Cano HAS TO BUNT. If he is allowed to swing the bat, Girardi is an idiot.
Bunt Cano
Scott Downs has the Yankees’ number most times out.
bunt cano please.
Fun fact – Minka Kelly has dated:
Donald Faison
Chris Evans
John Mayer
Topher Grace
Taylor Kitsch
She dated the rest, now she’s dating the best.
Cano.
Please.
The law of averages…. something.
Kay bringing up the OPPC again….
He has to bunt the runners over. He can’t hit with RISP so, bunt them over and help the team another way.
deja vu all over again.
make it change Cano.
Bunt, walk Posada, Hinske PH’s, hits a SF, game over.
Easy.
come on Cano! Please
If I’m Cito I’m pissed right now.
no swings for the next two pitches
Take a strike now.
Cano is terrible
a bunt on 3-0?
What was Cano thinking?
Well, it could have been worse.
Alright, that’s really dumb.
WTH was that ?
What a freaking idiot!
Catch Jeter’s face?
Whether or not Robi comes through here, I think that the constant intentional walks and pitching around Alex will have Cano out of the 5 spot tomorrow.
cant even get a sac bunt down?
freaking bench him!!!
Someone go up to Cano and slap him
What a dumb play. Why would you have Cano, who can’t bunt to save his life, bunt? I’d rather have him swing away.
WHY DID HE BUNT ON 3-0? I think even Tex was confused. Oh jeez.
He can’t even do THAT right. Seriously, just sit him down tomorrow. He’s earned it today.
3-0 BUNT? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
I am not watching – what the heck was that.
Take two pitches and bases loaded.
Just awful. You don’t bunt at 3-0.
Time to find the bench again for Cano. His head is up his butt again.
I know, he’s “unlucky”, according to statheads.
Ok Robi that was really dumb, I mean REALLY
If they lose blame Girardi for te 3-0 bunt by Cano.
If they win, its despite another bad managerial call.
When will Joe be held accountable?
Seriously? Seriously Cano? What game are you playing?
Just horrible. Is he on the take or something? Did he miss the sign?
Just horrible, horrible awful job by Cano.
oh dear god, Cano needs to get a one day mental break…
Jeter needs to slap him upside the head hahaha. What was he thinking there? I didn’t catch Jeter’s face. Was he outraged at what he saw?
Not Cano’s fault, Girardi callled that one