Wang injury update
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Chien-Ming Wang had an MRI at Columbia Presbyterian and was back at the park by the end of the game.
He is headed for the DL with what is being described as a strain with bursitis. But everybody seems to think that he will be back within a month.
The Yankees traditionally fudge the details of injuries. But according to Wang, the pain he felt was far less severe than the shoulder inflammation that put him on the DL for nearly two months in 2005. The doctor he saw this afternoon told him that rest and rehab would take care of his issues in a few weeks.
Do not expect Phil Hughes or Alfredo Aceves to step in as neither is stretched out enough, although the Yankees will need that spot only once (Thursday) before the break. Sergio Mitre has pitched well for Scranton and could be the choice.
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i wud give igawa a shot.. he has pitched well in AAA
Status Quo…Phil stays in bullpen…..Losing Ian Kennedy really hurts now….
Brian Cashman had a quote a few days ago about Yussse, he said he thought about sending him down to AAA but he couldn’t do that to Mo. The decision this season w/ Yussse is he helps us better from the BP, next season he works back to the starting rotation.
So expect Mitre, McAllister or Nova getting Wang’s next shot and hope they get the ball to the 6th so the BP takes over. ASB looms you dip down depending on the severity trade for Arroyo or a PIT Pirate.
Well, I guess it could be worse (it still might be). The thing that sicks about this is that the pen has come together quite nicely since Hughes moved back there. Unless the Yanks make a trade for a starter, I think Hughes should slide back into Wang’s spot and see how things go. Is Huston Street still available…?
I think its pretty obvious that Sergio Mitre will make that next start. He pitchedlast night so it would be close to his turn, rotation wise, Thursday.
I’m not saying Phil needs to step into that spot now, but he needs to stretch out and go back into the rotation.
Phil and Bruney can step up in the 8th inning role. Aceves & Tomko can give multiple innings. Phil’s needed more as a starter than a reliever.
Yussse isn’t sliding out of the BP this season.
I would be pretty hesitant taking anyone out of the bullpen right now, we need every arm we have out there
m,
Phil can be stretched out next year. He makes our BP so much better atm. He is not guaranteed to be lights out in the rotation and that might lead to rotation and BP problems.
Replacing Wang’s performance really won’t be that overwhelming difficult…The shame is he was improving even though slightly with each outing……Time for Joba to step up….
Peter,
Per Mike Ashmore, Christian Garcia is done for the year with elbow surgery. If the Yankees needed to add another pitcher (Mitre, McAllister, Nova) to the 40 man roster, could they DFA Garcia if he is on the minor league DL?
Thanks for your coverage.
Brian
SoCalYankeeFan
You guys think we can find a fifth starter, but we can’t find another bullpen arm?
Yeah Brandon is correct again, Hughes is staying in the bullpen for the rest of the year. I don’t like it but it’s just the way it is.
Maybe Mitre can hold down the fifth spot. At the very least we now have a good bullpen to back him up. The rest of the rotation is very good now too.
I’d go with Mitre first, if he fails go to Igawa or Nova. I wouldn’t rush McAllister.
Maybe with Wang going back to the DL the Yanks can give him a proper rehab schedule unlike they did last time. Hopefully he can come back in early August and help the team for the last 2 months of the season.
Yes m, it’s a 5th starter’s role.
there’s an opening on the 40-man roster, we only have 39 players right now on the 40. Could move Nady to the 60 DL too.
Well, that’s sorta good news. Let’s hope he’s out of commission for a very short time.
Um, okay. If you guys say so.
You can ignore what Cashman said the other day, because the circumstances have changed.
Hopefully the first pitcher we try sticks. Because I’ll puke if we have to audition starters.
If it is only a couple of starts then Sergio Miltre can step in and you’ll be fine. If Wang is out for a long time then you need to think about using Hughes or Aceves. Kennedy going on the DL really hurt the pitching depth.
Anybody for Wang’s next start except Igawa. He has shown that no matter what he does at AAA, he can not get major league hitters out.
To open up a spot on the 40 man roster the Yankees can either send Marte or Nady to the 60 day DL. There is no need to cut anybody yet.
If Bruney becomes pushed to the 8th inning role we are in alot of trouble m, Yussse is in that role right now b/c there are too many risks. Heck every scout and thier mother including Madden and Gammons have said how much much better the Yankees are now b/c Yussse changes that BP. It’s not his fault, unfortunately Melancon couldn’t develope in time and that’s Yussse role right now for this season.
Also, I just counted the 40 man roster again and there are 40 names on the roster with Molina, Marte and Nady on the ML 15 day DL. That’s not including those guys on the DL from the minors like Garcia and Kennedy. There is a reason why they can’t place them on the 60 DL.
Brandon,
I understand.
But, putting Hughes in the rotation strengthens the rotatation AND he gets innings.
I don’t want to talk about Bruney right now. I’m too upset.
Boy, it’s a good thing they signed Pettitte over the offseason.
You can never have enough starting pitching. Nobody could have seen this disastrous season coming from Wang.
By the way, I expect the Yankees to call up a reliever for tomorrow’s game then make their roster move for a starter on Wednesday.
Yes, pitching depth is imperative considering how fragile these pitchers are today.
“I don’t want to talk about Bruney right now. I’m too upset.”
And that’s part 2 why Yussse will stay there.
See? I’m so upset, I can’t even spell rotation correctly.
Anyway.
Love the pressure we’re putting on the Red Sox. Let the good times keep rolling with Joba tomorrow.
don’t know how much longer Hughes can pitch like Scott Shields. However, i wouldn’t screw with it. The bullpen is working.
this is why NYY picked-up Mitre. Have to see what he can offer. If not, take a look at McCallister and the others
LOL, it’s like we’ve learned nothing from the Joba to the bullpen debate. It’s the same debate except with Hughes now! Hughes is much more valuable as a starter. He will be the starter for the rest of the year. Bullpen pitchers are a dime a dozen. I thought we had already decided this in the Joba debate.
If the Yanks even decided to start Hughes, in his first game, it will wall to wall whining and hand wringing about why Hughes isn’t hitting 95-96 MPH. That’s when the fun will start. He’s just like Chamberlain is…..he won’t be throwing 95-96 MPH from the 1st through the 7th-8th innings.
With the rotation as it’s currently configured, it would be
CC-AJ-PH-Jobber-Andy. That’s almost unfair.
@Cash is King; you’re right about the 40, I forgot about Hinske, lol
Hughes isn’t going to the rotation anytime soon. He can throw 45-50 pitches max according to Girardi. Not only does that make it hard on the Yankees to win those games he starts, it puts his arm at risk. We saw what happened to Joba when they transitioned him too quickly last year.
Hopefully the Yankees medical staff is on point and are right about Wang. If he can come back in early August we should be okay.
I can deal with a few starts from Mitre/Nova/Igawa
Maybe this is a chance to get Wang straightened out down in minor league with some of those rehab starts
With the rotation as it’s currently configured, it would be
CC-AJ-PH-Jobber-Andy. That’s almost unfair.
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Who is PH????????????????
At this point we better hope that Pettitte, Chamberlain, Burnett and Sabathia stay healthy.
At the beginning of the season we had Hughes and Kennedy backing up the rotation. Unfortunately neither guy is available.
PH=PY
Phil Yuuusse.
PH=PY
Phil Yuuusse.
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Phil Yuuusse is a RaLEEEF PITCHAHHHHH!!!
Hughes can stretch out NOW and start sooner than Wang can come back. What happens when Wang begins to return? He has to rehab AND stretch out his arm! That could take months! Why not have Mitre fill in now and allow Hughes shadow him and stretch out his arm? Makes sense to me. They can bring up Melancon or Alby to fill in the bullpen for now and trade for someone else by the deadline. Wang may come back this year, but it will be in the bullpen/fill in starter for Joba.
First,thank you Mariner’s for beating the RS.
Thanks goes to Posada for his great clutch rua,Yankees 1 out of first sweeeet.
This game was draining, to say the least.
Cashman please give WANG a time to heal,no rush job off the Deal,like before.
Well, this sucks no matter how you slice it. But at least the ASB comes at a fortuitous time, I guess. A couple of you mentioned McAllister – do you think he would really get the call?? I have to admit I would love to see that, provided he’s actually ready. To me, Igawa is a waste of time. I dont care how well he’s pitching in the minors, we already know what he is when he faces big league hitters. I’ll take a pass on seeing that movie again. And I’d only marginally prefer Mitre. I’d give the prospects McAllister or Nova a chance personally.
Anyway, most of all, glad Wang’s injury isn’t quite as severe as the worst-case scenarios my brain went to when he left the game!
As for Hughes, obviously he cant start at this point, not being stretched out at all, but I still don’t understand why he never pitches multiple innings when he could on so many occasions. Not only does he need the innings for next year and is providing dominant innings, but it would be easier to give him a start or several, if at any point this season we suddenly needed to.
Leave Hughes in the pen and give Mitre the ball on TR.
They are a better team with Hughes in the pen now than they would be with him in the rotation.
Especially since there is no realistic option to fill his role in the pen.
He will get his innings. He’s already up to 70 now, counting his Scranton.
Don’t weaken the pen to cover a few starts.
The yanks are probably going to use Miltre. You hope he is going to give you 5 quality innings and then you can use Aceves has his caddy to get you to the 8th.
I feel bad for Wang he got his 1st win in his last start and today he finally was going to go deep in a game he had a great pitch count and then he gets hurt. You could see improvement in each of his last couple of starts the guy cant catch a break.
As for Hughes, obviously he cant start at this point, not being stretched out at all, but I still don’t understand why he never pitches multiple innings when he could on so many occasions. Not only does he need the innings for next year and is providing dominant innings, but it would be easier to give him a start or several, if at any point this season we suddenly needed to.
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Your point is well taken about trying to get Hughes’ inning total up so that he can be a starter next year, but don’t forget there is the option of winter ball for Hughes…he can get 20-30 innings pitching in Arizona or Hawaiii this winter (actually its not winter ball because they play it in November but thats close enough).
The truth is…Hughes is needed in short relief to set up Mariano right now.
SJ,
Somehow, it doesn’t feel like it’s going to be a few starts. I hope I’m wrong, though.
“the guy cant catch a break.”
Even at the plate against the Mets last Sunday – he hit a rocket, would have been his first career hit, and F-mart robs him with a great diving catch. Nothing is going Wang’s way this season at all. But this means the law of the averages has to bounce back in his favor sometime soon, right?
Listen, the Yankees screwed this up once I would be beside myself if they did it again. They had the heir apparent to Mo in Jobber and forced him into a role he isn’t best suited for. He’s Gossage. Now you have yuse. He didn’t excite me as a starter, but as a reliever? He’s dominant. Have you seen how he just takes on that mentality? He looks like Rivera out there, no emotion. Yuse has ice water in his veins. Mark my words if they take him out of that role they won’t make the playoffs. You can find dominant stahting pitchahs anywhere, but the 8th inning, you have to have a special player to pitch there.
How hard should it be to replace a pitcher,that hasn’t won a game all year?
Wang hasn’t been the Wang we know.Anyone coming up should be able to eat innings,at the very least,and maybe win .
I’d expect Wang to be out for at least a month including rehab starts. With the right mindset, Sergio Mitre has to realize that the hitters don’t know him either so all he needs to do is pound the strike zone, go with scouting reports/video, and listen to his catcher.
Many teams catch lightning in a bottle ….. why not the Yankees ?
GB, Young Master Hughes was hitting 94-95 on a regular basis during his last starts before Wang returned….However he has to stay in the pen as it’s as good as any in baseball right now..It’s part of the club’s strength and is stable…I still thought they needed another arm out there…Funny thing is just last night SJ & I were mentioning this very same concern………..By the way GB 7,,,,Happy 4th ol’e boy…..
jbp: I agree that Hughes is needed to be Mo’s setup man right now, but I just think he could still be used more liberally. In fact, sometimes I would prefer to see him brought in in earlier high leverage situations instead of someone like Coke (even though he has been very good lately) or Bruney, and just stay in till it’s Mo time. In most cases he still wouldnt even have to go through a lineup more than 1x if the Yankees used him that way. I think he’d still be very effective, so it would help the Yankees now and next year. Pitching in winter ball is good and something Hughes should probably do anyway, but those innings don’t compare in importance to major league innings.
Breaking News: Scott Richmond placed on DL. Yanks will face Brett Cecil(LHP) tommorow.
jpb1973
July 4th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
As for Hughes, obviously he cant start at this point, not being stretched out at all, but I still don’t understand why he never pitches multiple innings when he could on so many occasions. Not only does he need the innings for next year and is providing dominant innings, but it would be easier to give him a start or several, if at any point this season we suddenly needed to.
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Your point is well taken about trying to get Hughes’ inning total up so that he can be a starter next year, but don’t forget there is the option of winter ball for Hughes…he can get 20-30 innings pitching in Arizona or Hawaiii this winter (actually its not winter ball because they play it in November but thats close enough).
The truth is…Hughes is needed in short relief to set up Mariano right now.
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Yeah I agree the yankees kind of aborted the plan to build up his innings. If Hughes starts pitching multiple innings out of relief than they cant pitch him on back to back days like they did today. Today was the last thing Hughes had to show he could do is pitch on back to back days. With Aceves and Tomko the bullpen has enough guys that pitch multiple innings, you would be wasting Hughes if you use him as a long man.
“”Hughes isn’t going to the rotation anytime soon. He can throw 45-50 pitches max according to Girardi. Not only does that make it hard on the Yankees to win those games he starts, it puts his arm at risk. We saw what happened to Joba when they transitioned him too quickly last year.”"
so.. call up Albi and have a bullpen game while stretching out Hughes. and did someone say that maddon and Gammons’ opinions should be took as gospel? of course Hughes will improve a bullpen. But taht is not where his future lays. Cash should grow a pair and make a sacrifice
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Pat M.
July 4th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
GB, Young Master Hughes was hitting 94-95 on a regular basis during his last starts before Wang returned….However he has to stay in the pen as it’s as good as any in baseball right now..It’s part of the club’s strength and is stable…I still thought they needed another arm out there…Funny thing is just last night SJ & I were mentioning this very same concern………..By the way GB 7,,,,Happy 4th ol’e boy…..
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Thanks for the kind wishes, PAT M, and the same sentaments to you and your’s.
I loved hughes last few starts and the uptick in velocity. I’m just tired of hearing/reading about Chamberlain not throwing 99-100 MPH in the 7th inning. It would be the same tired act with Hughes, because it will be a repeat performance. Gotta say one thing….it’s been about 48 years since I’d seen a pitcher mentally age 4 years in 4 months. He grew up fast, didn’t he?
Zach McAllister has been lights out at AA.
He at least deserves conisderation for the first start.
Leave Phil Franchise in the pen for now. Either bring up a Igawa/McAlister/Nova esque pitcher or trade for a Jarrod Washburn like pitcher. If longer , Aceves can move to the rotation. Just about every team has a mediocre fifth starter. Make sure your bullpen is pitching well, however. If we make the playoffs, you only need 3-4 starters anyway. And Wang’s psyche must be hurting. An extreme option the Yankees can take is to shut him down for the rest of the year and rehab/mental refocus so he hopefully returns to the old CMW next year.
I don’t understand why the Yanks would rather hope for 5 good innings from Mitre as a starter, rather than start Aceves, let him go 5 innings, and hope for four good innings from Mitre as a reliever. Or start Hughes, let him go 3-4 innings and use Mitre in relief for 4 to 5 innings.
Aceves and Hughes have both shown that they can win at the Major League level. I think the team should work toward making one of them the 5th starter and stretch out his innings over a period of time.
Well, I know that’s not going to happen. But, I don’t understand why.
This is sad to me. Wang did a great job yesterday and seemed to be getting back into the groove. Seems like “if he did not have bad luck, he wouldn’t have any luck at all”.
At least now I know how to get fast medical service…. be a Yankee!