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		<title>By: Giuseppe Franco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark-Cant Touch This July 5th, 2009 at 12:02 pm

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A-Rod came back sooner
Posada came back at the expected time

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And the one thing they both have in common is neither are pitchers.

That&#039;s a much more delicate issue and we already know A-Rod returned to the lineup before his doctor wanted.

That&#039;s why A-Rod was supposed to stick to the Philipon Rules but Girardi didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark-Cant Touch This July 5th, 2009 at 12:02 pm</p>
<p>______<br />
A-Rod came back sooner<br />
Posada came back at the expected time</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>And the one thing they both have in common is neither are pitchers.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a much more delicate issue and we already know A-Rod returned to the lineup before his doctor wanted.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why A-Rod was supposed to stick to the Philipon Rules but Girardi didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark-Cant Touch This</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark-Cant Touch This</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark-Cant Touch This July 5th, 2009 at 11:54 am
________

And how do you know this?
The fact is you don’t!
So the only thing you can do is wait and see.

—————–

When was the last time a Yankee player only missed the expected time off after going down with an injury?

Bruney took much, much longer than expected. Marte is still out. Molina missed significantly more time than expected.

I could go on and on.

The team obviously isn’t going to rush him back. He wasn’t in top physical condition even before this shoulder issue.

I don’t expect Wang back in a month. I can’t prove he won’t be back but recent history is not on his side.
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A-Rod came back sooner
Posada came back at the expected time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark-Cant Touch This July 5th, 2009 at 11:54 am<br />
________</p>
<p>And how do you know this?<br />
The fact is you don’t!<br />
So the only thing you can do is wait and see.</p>
<p>—————–</p>
<p>When was the last time a Yankee player only missed the expected time off after going down with an injury?</p>
<p>Bruney took much, much longer than expected. Marte is still out. Molina missed significantly more time than expected.</p>
<p>I could go on and on.</p>
<p>The team obviously isn’t going to rush him back. He wasn’t in top physical condition even before this shoulder issue.</p>
<p>I don’t expect Wang back in a month. I can’t prove he won’t be back but recent history is not on his side.<br />
______<br />
A-Rod came back sooner<br />
Posada came back at the expected time</p>
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		<title>By: murphydog</title>
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		<dc:creator>murphydog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, assuming Wang is going to be out more than 30 days and/or comes back less than 100% (and I think both assumptions are reasonable), Cashman has a very tough choice to make by the deadline knowing he cannot afford to lose ground in this division this year. The Sox don&#039;t give any indication of going into an old fashioned Red Sox swoon and the Rays are playing better. Toronto is beginning to look less formidable right now because Roy is not yet 100%, but with Gaston you still can&#039;t ignore them. 

While I would certainly want Hughes pitching in September/post-season over the other names, can Phil ramp up to a reliable 4 or 5 starter before the end of August? In the meantime, you lose your newly found lockdown 8th inning guy. And there is a real danger of losing significant ground in the standings by losing games where three starters (Hughes, Joba and Pettitte) all need lots of bullpen help.  

Also, is the risk of conversion stress to Hughes&#039; arm worth what he&#039;s likely to give as a re-made starter? Factor in the possibility of losing ground in the meantime and, respectfully, I don&#039;t think so. I think you leave Hughes where he is and fill in another starter. IMO, Cash&#039;s real job is to find an innings eater somewhere. I don&#039;t think they need a dominator. 

IMO, if you look at it this way, the pressure is really on AJ now. He has to be the reliable, dominating &quot;two&quot; in a one-two punch with CC. Is he up to it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, assuming Wang is going to be out more than 30 days and/or comes back less than 100% (and I think both assumptions are reasonable), Cashman has a very tough choice to make by the deadline knowing he cannot afford to lose ground in this division this year. The Sox don&#8217;t give any indication of going into an old fashioned Red Sox swoon and the Rays are playing better. Toronto is beginning to look less formidable right now because Roy is not yet 100%, but with Gaston you still can&#8217;t ignore them. </p>
<p>While I would certainly want Hughes pitching in September/post-season over the other names, can Phil ramp up to a reliable 4 or 5 starter before the end of August? In the meantime, you lose your newly found lockdown 8th inning guy. And there is a real danger of losing significant ground in the standings by losing games where three starters (Hughes, Joba and Pettitte) all need lots of bullpen help.  </p>
<p>Also, is the risk of conversion stress to Hughes&#8217; arm worth what he&#8217;s likely to give as a re-made starter? Factor in the possibility of losing ground in the meantime and, respectfully, I don&#8217;t think so. I think you leave Hughes where he is and fill in another starter. IMO, Cash&#8217;s real job is to find an innings eater somewhere. I don&#8217;t think they need a dominator. </p>
<p>IMO, if you look at it this way, the pressure is really on AJ now. He has to be the reliable, dominating &#8220;two&#8221; in a one-two punch with CC. Is he up to it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark-Cant Touch This</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark-Cant Touch This</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 16:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Don’t worry Mitre wont sniff the playoffs”

Playoffs? The regular season doesn’t end until Oct 4 this year.

The yankees have a very tough end of the year schedule.

In september they play 6 games with Toronto, 3 with the Sox, 4 games with the Angels. They also have a 6 game west coast swing to Seattle and LA. They play 3 games with Tampa Bay in Sept and then close the season with 3 games at tamps bay.

That is a brutal stretch run schedule. And they are going to need outstanding starting pitching if they are going to do well to end the season.

They aren’t going to be able to toy with the rotation. If Mitre is in the rotation he is going to pitch big games down the stretch. There is no question about it. None.
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And again you have no idea how much time Wang is going to be on the DL. So over reacting now is completely useless. Why not wait and see I think we can handle 3-4 starts from a serviceable 5th stater. Maybe Wang misses 3-4 starts maybe 8-10. I don&#039;t know, you don&#039;t know so stop overacting. Don&#039;t worry the Sox, and the Rays wont go 81-0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Don’t worry Mitre wont sniff the playoffs”</p>
<p>Playoffs? The regular season doesn’t end until Oct 4 this year.</p>
<p>The yankees have a very tough end of the year schedule.</p>
<p>In september they play 6 games with Toronto, 3 with the Sox, 4 games with the Angels. They also have a 6 game west coast swing to Seattle and LA. They play 3 games with Tampa Bay in Sept and then close the season with 3 games at tamps bay.</p>
<p>That is a brutal stretch run schedule. And they are going to need outstanding starting pitching if they are going to do well to end the season.</p>
<p>They aren’t going to be able to toy with the rotation. If Mitre is in the rotation he is going to pitch big games down the stretch. There is no question about it. None.<br />
_______</p>
<p>And again you have no idea how much time Wang is going to be on the DL. So over reacting now is completely useless. Why not wait and see I think we can handle 3-4 starts from a serviceable 5th stater. Maybe Wang misses 3-4 starts maybe 8-10. I don&#8217;t know, you don&#8217;t know so stop overacting. Don&#8217;t worry the Sox, and the Rays wont go 81-0.</p>
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		<title>By: Giuseppe Franco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark-Cant Touch This July 5th, 2009 at 11:54 am 
________

And how do you know this?
The fact is you don’t!
So the only thing you can do is wait and see.

-----------------

When was the last time a Yankee player only missed the expected time off after going down with an injury?

Bruney took much, much longer than expected.  Marte is still out.  Molina missed significantly more time than expected.

I could go on and on.

The team obviously isn&#039;t going to rush him back.  He wasn&#039;t in top physical condition even before this shoulder issue.

I don&#039;t expect Wang back in a month.  I can&#039;t prove he won&#039;t be back but recent history is not on his side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark-Cant Touch This July 5th, 2009 at 11:54 am<br />
________</p>
<p>And how do you know this?<br />
The fact is you don’t!<br />
So the only thing you can do is wait and see.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>When was the last time a Yankee player only missed the expected time off after going down with an injury?</p>
<p>Bruney took much, much longer than expected.  Marte is still out.  Molina missed significantly more time than expected.</p>
<p>I could go on and on.</p>
<p>The team obviously isn&#8217;t going to rush him back.  He wasn&#8217;t in top physical condition even before this shoulder issue.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect Wang back in a month.  I can&#8217;t prove he won&#8217;t be back but recent history is not on his side.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Yankees don&#039;t face the Rays until later in the month and Boston during the 1st week in August.   The question of a 5th starter is NOW ..... this week.
Leave Hughes in the bullpen and see what Mitre, Nova, or McAllister can bring to the table.    One of them just might surprise and provide some glue until something is determined with Wang.  Nothing ventured - nothing gained.
As usual, Cashman will be stealth about the entire matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yankees don&#8217;t face the Rays until later in the month and Boston during the 1st week in August.   The question of a 5th starter is NOW &#8230;.. this week.<br />
Leave Hughes in the bullpen and see what Mitre, Nova, or McAllister can bring to the table.    One of them just might surprise and provide some glue until something is determined with Wang.  Nothing ventured &#8211; nothing gained.<br />
As usual, Cashman will be stealth about the entire matter.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can only &quot;wait and see&quot; how much time Wang would miss if either Hughes or Aceves didn&#039;t need to be stretched out.

But the fact is - they have to be stretched out and that process will take weeks.

So the team doesn&#039;t have the luxury of a wait and see attitude.

You can take either side of the argument.  It&#039;s a difficult issue.

But there is no way to say that they can just wait and see how much time Wang will miss unless they are happy giving the ball to Mitre, etc. because Hughes and Wang need to be stretched out.

No one is going to have perfect or definitive information is this situation.  It&#039;s how you chose to handle uncertainty and where you want to allocate risk.

That&#039;s the trade off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can only &#8220;wait and see&#8221; how much time Wang would miss if either Hughes or Aceves didn&#8217;t need to be stretched out.</p>
<p>But the fact is &#8211; they have to be stretched out and that process will take weeks.</p>
<p>So the team doesn&#8217;t have the luxury of a wait and see attitude.</p>
<p>You can take either side of the argument.  It&#8217;s a difficult issue.</p>
<p>But there is no way to say that they can just wait and see how much time Wang will miss unless they are happy giving the ball to Mitre, etc. because Hughes and Wang need to be stretched out.</p>
<p>No one is going to have perfect or definitive information is this situation.  It&#8217;s how you chose to handle uncertainty and where you want to allocate risk.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the trade off.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark-Cant Touch This</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark-Cant Touch This</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I think you’re missing a very big point as well.

Many of us think that Wang will be out significantly longer than a month. This issue is a no-brainer if Wang is out for just a month. But not so much if he’s out for two months or longer.

At this point, there’s no guarantee Wang will be back at all. We’ve seen many injuries downplayed by this organization that turn out to be much much longer than they anticipated.

Hughes happened to be one of them last year.
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And how do you know this? 
The fact is you don&#039;t! 
So the only thing you can do is wait and see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I think you’re missing a very big point as well.</p>
<p>Many of us think that Wang will be out significantly longer than a month. This issue is a no-brainer if Wang is out for just a month. But not so much if he’s out for two months or longer.</p>
<p>At this point, there’s no guarantee Wang will be back at all. We’ve seen many injuries downplayed by this organization that turn out to be much much longer than they anticipated.</p>
<p>Hughes happened to be one of them last year.<br />
________</p>
<p>And how do you know this?<br />
The fact is you don&#8217;t!<br />
So the only thing you can do is wait and see.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t worry Mitre wont sniff the playoffs&quot;

Playoffs?  The regular season doesn&#039;t end until Oct 4 this year.

The yankees have a very tough end of the year schedule.

In september they play 6 games with Toronto, 3 with the Sox, 4 games with the Angels.  They also have a 6 game west coast swing to Seattle and LA. They play 3 games with Tampa Bay in Sept and then close the season with 3 games at tamps bay.

That is a brutal stretch run schedule.  And they are going to need outstanding starting pitching if they are going to do well to end the season.

They aren&#039;t going to be able to toy with the rotation.  If Mitre is in the rotation he is going to pitch big games down the stretch.  There is no question about it.  None.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t worry Mitre wont sniff the playoffs&#8221;</p>
<p>Playoffs?  The regular season doesn&#8217;t end until Oct 4 this year.</p>
<p>The yankees have a very tough end of the year schedule.</p>
<p>In september they play 6 games with Toronto, 3 with the Sox, 4 games with the Angels.  They also have a 6 game west coast swing to Seattle and LA. They play 3 games with Tampa Bay in Sept and then close the season with 3 games at tamps bay.</p>
<p>That is a brutal stretch run schedule.  And they are going to need outstanding starting pitching if they are going to do well to end the season.</p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t going to be able to toy with the rotation.  If Mitre is in the rotation he is going to pitch big games down the stretch.  There is no question about it.  None.</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GF, it&#039;s odd because Wang&#039;s injury was not as bad as feared......but for purposes of what the Yankees options are, it&#039;s not good because there is such a gray area. I would never want Wang gone for the season, but I admit that even if he comes back, he&#039;s highly doubtful to be at his best.....and would I want him in a post-season rotation? If Phil is already in the rotation (and doing well), I think he has to stay there even if Wang does come back (and if Phil is in the rotation, it means that we&#039;re likely talking a late August/September return for Wang - not fair to take Phil out, even forgetting the potential arm issues). Once Phil is in the rotation, he has to stay there - Wang, I&#039;m sorry to say, would be in the pen.  I don&#039;t even know what the Yanks would do in the playoffs if they made it - how can Phil go back to the pen without ruining his arm? This really sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GF, it&#8217;s odd because Wang&#8217;s injury was not as bad as feared&#8230;&#8230;but for purposes of what the Yankees options are, it&#8217;s not good because there is such a gray area. I would never want Wang gone for the season, but I admit that even if he comes back, he&#8217;s highly doubtful to be at his best&#8230;..and would I want him in a post-season rotation? If Phil is already in the rotation (and doing well), I think he has to stay there even if Wang does come back (and if Phil is in the rotation, it means that we&#8217;re likely talking a late August/September return for Wang &#8211; not fair to take Phil out, even forgetting the potential arm issues). Once Phil is in the rotation, he has to stay there &#8211; Wang, I&#8217;m sorry to say, would be in the pen.  I don&#8217;t even know what the Yanks would do in the playoffs if they made it &#8211; how can Phil go back to the pen without ruining his arm? This really sucks.</p>
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