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Crew chief: Calls were wrong today

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 06, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Blue Jays Yankees BaseballSo it would seem Derek Jeter was right.

Umpire Marty Foster called Derek Jeter out today when he tried to steal third base in the first innings. Replays showed that Jeter evaded the tag. Joe Girardi was tossed arguing the play.

“I was told by the umpire that I didn’t have to be tagged to be out,” an annoyed Jeter said after the game.

Reporters went to speak to Foster to get his side of the story. Crew chief John Hirschbeck spoke instead. “Marty asked me to handle things today,” he said. “We hopefully learn from our experiences. It’s the only way we get better at what we do.”

As for the call:

“It would make (Jeter’s) actions seem appropriate if that’s what he was told,” Hirschbeck said. “The best way I can answer it is to talk to Marty about it. “Not here at the ballpark, but if I see him tonight, or if not, we’ll have lunch tomorrow and we’ll discuss it. Getting a play right is one thing, but how you handle it is also important. Nowadays, with the cameras, ESPN and the reporters, I say the media, I actually mean television — it used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore. It’s not a reason to call someone out. You have to make a good tag.”

Hirschbeck admitted Jeter doesn’t argue very often.

“Yes, in my 27 years in the big leagues, he is probably the classiest person I’ve been around,” he said.

Hirschbeck was asked about two plays that second base umpire Wally Bell got wrong.

“Sometimes, you just miss a play,” Hirschbeck said. “I think you’re human, and sometimes you just miss it.”

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Kudos to Hirschbeck for be willing to speak and being so candid. But it doesn’t speak well of Foster that he sent somebody else out to speak for him instead of taking the heat himself.

It’s not going to do the Yankees any good, but it would seem that Foster and Bell will have to answer for their mistakes. No, they’re not going to be suspended or fined. But MLB does hold umpires far more accountable than in previous years.

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374 Responses to “Crew chief: Calls were wrong today”

  1. Nick in SF July 6th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Maybe the whole umpire crew should have caddied for Larry Bowa today. :(

  2. Erica - newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Like I used to say when I was 5…. “DO OVER!”

  3. Erica - newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    I just read that during Roll Call, Eric Hinske rolled up his sleeve and flexed his biceps. That is the best thing I have ever heard.

  4. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    If he isn’t suspended or fined then they aren’t holding the umpires more accountable.

    The man decided not to follow the rules and make up an excuse for his futility.

    He should sit for a week without pay and read the rulebook.

    It will help him in the long run.

  5. Ramey July 6th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    It certainly seems like the personality Eric Hinske has is going to blend nicely with the rest of the roster. Hopefully he can play as hard as he did today whenever he gets the chance and I’ll be more than happy to see him in the lineup.

  6. jennifer July 6th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    So if there wasn’t espn or cameras all over the place it wouldn’t matter if the call was right cause they wouldn’t be caught?

  7. tampayank July 6th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Jeter can do no wrong:)

  8. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    I see all of this as a major WHATEVER, especially in light of your comments about not blaming the umpires for the Yankees loss today. They got it wrong, they got it wrong. I’ve seen many bad calls by umpires. Some of them are behind the plate on balls and strikes and have definite ramifications in terms of extra outs, runs that score, etc.

    I guess I don’t much care what was said to Jeter and whether the ump in question answered for it. How many times do they review plays they called wrong? How many times do they come out and talk about it. As Hirschbeck said, hopefully they learn from it.

    I’m actually still back in the NL playoffs a few years ago when a bad call sat the plate ended the game and the season for the Padres. That call sent the wrong team to the playoffs.

    You suck it up I guess and move on. It’s pointless to keep score.

  9. NYY626 July 6th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Erica – newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    I just read that during Roll Call, Eric Hinske rolled up his sleeve and flexed his biceps. That is the best thing I have ever heard.
    ______________________________________________________________
    Your pretend boyfriend’s roll call actions top them all :)

  10. Jones July 6th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    It sucks that he messed up on the call, but sometimes it happens. Maybe it was the angle he was at. I don’t know. Maybe he was too upset to speak, so he asked someone else to do it? I hope he doesn’t get into too much trouble. Hopefully he’ll realize his mistake. Forgive & forget.

  11. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    “I just read that during Roll Call, Eric Hinske rolled up his sleeve and flexed his biceps. That is the best thing I have ever heard.”

    Damon et al told Hinske he couldn’t just wave, he had to do something cool.

  12. ErikSec. 309 July 6th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    The Jeter play was close….No excuse for that play at 2nd. That is just an awful day at the office for that guy. He should be ashamed to call himself an MLB ump when he misses such an obvious call.

  13. jennifer July 6th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    How many times do we see umps out of position in order to make a proper call? I’ve seen it happen many times this year. It is out of control.

  14. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    “If he isn’t suspended or fined then they aren’t holding the umpires more accountable.”

    Exactly. The fact that he would actually tell Jeter that he doesn’t have to be tagged to be out is beyond insane. The guy doesn’t even understand the basic rules of baseball. What is he doing holding down a job as a ML ump? Ridiculous! Let him go work in Single A where his actions can’t do as much damage.

  15. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    Boston is losing to Oakland 5-0

    Thanks umps :x

    -Brandon “I’m AWESOME !!!” :)

  16. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    For those with concerns about Jesus Montero’s arm , he just picked off a fast base runner at second base….not caught stealing…picked off.

  17. m July 6th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Rishi,

    Now I understand what the crew chief meant. He said that Jeter’s actions were warranted if that’s what Foster told Jeter. I didn’t see it live, but Jeter arguing with the ump?

    The chief got it right re: Foster, but that was a lame duck answer re: Bell.

    Privately? I think they’re sanctioned somehow. And no! Not like they did it on the Sopranos. :)

  18. Oh man. July 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    So stating the obvious, Swish’s hit would have knocked Jeter in…you can’t help but wonder how differently the game would have gone from the first inning on…disappointing and a bit scary that an ump can get it so wrong — not the call, the rationale. Go Oakland.

  19. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    I wonder how much money he made off that bad call.Is that why he left to collect his money,for losing his credibility in the process?

  20. Erica - newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    NYY626
    July 6th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
    Erica – newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    I just read that during Roll Call, Eric Hinske rolled up his sleeve and flexed his biceps. That is the best thing I have ever heard.
    ______________________________________________________________
    Your pretend boyfriend’s roll call actions top them all
    ****
    I know!! I love him. LOL :lol:

  21. jfinfonsfosnf July 6th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    I’m calling for a complete and thoro investigation from Major League Baseball. Someone needs to be fired Girardi should protest this game.

  22. m July 6th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    I’m satisfied that the crew chief acknowedged there were mistakeS made today.

    And did the crew chief say Jeter was the classiest person in his years? If so, that’s a huge compliment. And just goes to show, that Jeter doesn’t get preferential treatment. haha.

    From the last thread, is anyone else perturbed that Torre invoked Alex and Andy when asked a question about manny?

  23. Erica - newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    Its actually a game like this that we can use a Hank Steinbrenner-type. Where is he when you need him?

  24. DT - OPPC member (it's in our blood) July 6th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Foster could get suspended. He probably was smart to not address the media. If he admitted to what he told Jeter and Girardi on camera or in print – he’d be on an unpaid vacation for sure.

    It’s one thing to have unwritten rules, it’s another to publicize them.

    For example, 3-0 pitch to a batter.
    Most umps give a veteran pitcher the benefit call on 3-0, if it’s close. It’s an “unwritten rule”.

    If an ump was questioned and verbally said “oh it’s Maddux he always gets the 3-0 pitch no matter where it is” – what would happen?
    Basically they would be saying they aren’t following the rule book, they are making up their own rules.

    That’s what Foster said to Jeter. Forget the rulebook. No tag is needed.

    It’s one thing to do it. It’s another thing to admit to it.

  25. Erica - newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Out of curiousity, what type of reception is Giambi getting in Boston?

  26. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    “From the last thread, is anyone else perturbed that Torre invoked Alex and Andy when asked a question about manny?”

    Joe Torre is dead to me so nothing he says bothers me anymore. He doesn’t exist in my universe.

  27. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    I just read that during Roll Call, Eric Hinske rolled up his sleeve and flexed his biceps. That is the best thing I have ever heard.

    ==========================

    Hahahaha. Very nice!

  28. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Scranton/Pawtucket are going to the 11th inning at 2-2. Jackson is 0-1 with a run scored, RBI on a Sac fly, 0 strikeouts and 3 walks.

  29. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Forget suspension when they throw out the rule book and make up their own rules,they should be fired.

  30. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    GB: And the Scranton game is only game one of a DH

  31. Trevor July 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    “Out of curiosity, what type of reception is Giambi getting in Boston?”

    And Gaciaparra. I would imagine boos for both.

  32. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    it’s about accountability – there are levels of messing up – messing up and then changing the rules to support your mess up is a “cause” that requires some sort of “affect”

  33. DGiant July 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    There should be some type of penalty for umps when they get it wrong – especially more than once during one game!

  34. jennifer July 6th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Just went and read the quote about Alex and Andy. Yes it does bother me. You are being asked about Manny, and you invoke two current Yankees. What for? Manny didn’t taint what the Dodgers did, but than you are saying that Alex and Andy tainted baseball. I am so done with him.

  35. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    jfinfonsfosnf
    July 6th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
    I’m calling for a complete and thoro investigation from Major League Baseball. Someone needs to be fired Girardi should protest this game.

    ————————————————————

    On what grounds? You can’t protest judgement calls.

    You can bet that the MLB Chief Of Umpires will be calling them, though.

  36. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    I wonder if the play is on yesnetwork.com or mlb.com – for sure someone must have found a way to get it on youtube…

  37. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    “And Gaciaparra. I would imagine boos for both.”

    Actually, MLB.com is reporting that Garciaparra got cheers.

  38. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Kudos to Brett Anderson and 8 scoreless innings against the mighty Red Sox

  39. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime
    July 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
    GB: And the Scranton game is only game one of a DH

    ————————————————————

    Baseball until dawn in Scranton.

  40. Erica - newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    On an earlier thread, Trisha said that Garciaparra got a HUGE ovation. Idiots

  41. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    Ivan Nova

    5 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB 2 K’s

    only allowed 1 XBH vs AAA BOS

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_swbaaa_1

    “I’m still Awesome” ;)

  42. m July 6th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    Who is this Brett Anderson? 8 two-hit shutout innings against Boston.

  43. benfica356 July 6th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    the play is on yankees.com.

  44. CENTRAL CT YANKEE July 6th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Umps make mistakes it happens and its part of the game…i love the Yanks and Jeter, the calls average out, um Jeffery Maier

  45. Maria July 6th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    I can’t remember the last time I saw Jeter so animated after a call. While it would have been wrong, Foster should have just said he saw him get tagged. It is more forgivable if he made a bad call while trying to look for the proper protocal. Instead, we now know he is always seeing if the ball beats the player which is incorrect. He needs to be looking for the tag and sometimes I understand he is going to miss that call. I also thought the call at second was atrocious. The second base umpire is standing RIGHT there he doesn’t see Scutaro 2 feet off the bag and then turning around running back to go make the tag because he completely overshot the bag. How do you miss something like that. From the television I could see the throw was too far away from him and pulling him off the bag. I understand close calls at the bag and think those end up averaging out but when a person isn’t following the rules it’s just outrageous. Instant replays would slow down the game tremendously if over-used but I think each team should have the right to one instant replay a game.

  46. benfica356 July 6th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    too bad it wont be nova pitching thrusday. If mitre pitches tommorow, it’ll be most likely aceves thrusday

  47. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    “From the last thread, is anyone else perturbed that Torre invoked Alex and Andy when asked a question about manny?”

    I find it annoying that Torre was asked any questions at all. I know I don’t particularly give a rat’s patootie what he has to say about anything. To me he is quite yesterday.

    So an umpire misquoted a rule. He’s human. I actually have more difficulty with people like Angel Hernandez who seem to have a grudge against the Yankees and appears to make his calls accordingly.

    I actually think this is quite jocular. We have watched our pitchers squeezed like lemons and home plate umps make the most horrendous balls/strikes calls – and we’ve watched opposition runs score because of it. And this is the one you want to pick on? How brave.

  48. murphydog July 6th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    “Kudos to Hirschbeck for be willing to speak and being so candid. But it doesn’t speak well of Foster that he sent somebody else out to speak for him instead of taking the heat himself.”

    In the first place, the very last thing I need is to have a third round of post game interviews: the winning club, the losing club and the umpiring crew. Next Leiter will be doing his over caffeinated puppy dog energizer bunny routine critiquing the umps’ performance after every game. The games plus post game are loooooong enough already.

    Second, as for Foster not handling questions himself, the umps aren’t players accountable to the fans. They don’t use the media to become famous, get exposure, earn endorsement contracts… different relationship and thus different accountability to the media, IMO. So I’m not sure Foster owes the fans an explanation, even though he owes one to Hirschbeck and the MLB Umpire Bosses. They need to remain above the fray, as invisible as possible in order to remain impartial arbiters. Do judges talk to the media about their trials after the fact? No, it’s unseemly. Same for umpires, IMO.

    Third, maybe it’s best that the crew chief take questions on the (hopefully) extremely rare occasions when the umps do interviews. I mean, do we really need a new generation of media savvy and telegenic umpires for goodness sakes?

    Finally, IMO, you either nip this umpire interview stuff in the bud or welcome instant replay and Cyclops cameras into every game in every stadium. Selig should muzzle these guys for the good of the game.

  49. rconn23 July 6th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Nomar got at least a two-minute standing ovation.

  50. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    I can’t believe they are kissing Nomar’s feet in Boston. Those people are idiots with clam chowdah liquified brains. And I am sticking to that

  51. NYY626 July 6th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    “And did the crew chief say Jeter was the classiest person in his years? If so, that’s a huge compliment. And just goes to show, that Jeter doesn’t get preferential treatment. haha.”

    I understand that Jeter gets a lot of praise, which induces many people to roll their eyes because they think he’s “overrated”. But why people complain that “Jeter gets a pass because he’s Jeter” is beyond me. Should we fault him for being nothing but classy on the field for the past 14 years? IMO his 14 year great reputation should “count”!

  52. Ramey July 6th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    “And Gaciaparra. I would imagine boos for both.”

    Garciaparra actually got nearly a 90 second standing ovation from the Red Sox fans. It was actually pretty classy on their part, something I would’ve never expected

  53. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Rishi
    July 6th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
    Kudos to Brett Anderson and 8 scoreless innings against the mighty Red Sox

    ————————————————————

    Somebody was whining on here earlier today about the Yanks playing Minnesota and the Angels on the coast and Boston getting the “pathetic A’s” at Fenway, and they’d roll over for them. I said then and repeat it….the A’s have a really fine young pitching staff and I’m not looking foreward to seeing the Yanks face them. That’s a tough bunch of young pitchers.

  54. rconn23 July 6th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    m,

    Brett Anderson is one of the A’s top pitching prospects. In terms of talent, he’s the best on the staff.

    He’s struggled, as do most young starters, but he’s got the stuff to be a front-line starter.

  55. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    I’ll be very surprised if anyone but Aceves goes on Thursday. With the All Star Game coming up, why disrupt things down below for one game? Let Aceves go the one game and then evaluate. At least they know what they have in Aceves pitching in the majors.

  56. Trevor July 6th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Garciaparra cheered? Surprised. I believe he played there before since being traded in 04 and he got booed I believe.

  57. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    “too bad it wont be nova pitching thrusday. If mitre pitches tommorow, it’ll be most likely aceves thrusday”

    I’ve been on the record saying it should be Nova, if only to raise his trade value on the market. With the trade deadline approaching he should be getting showcased.

  58. pat July 6th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Just heard Pedroia was a late scratch tonight from the line-up. Anyone hear why?

  59. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    “I can’t believe they are kissing Nomar’s feet in Boston. ”

    Erica, look at it from the fan’s perspective. Since Nomar left, they haven’t had a decent SS in years. It’s one of those “you never know what you had until it’s gone”.

  60. Donna July 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Nomar got a long standing ovation dufing his first at bat and before the game too and Giambi barely got any boos.

    And sure the umpiring was lousy today but it wasn’t the reason the Yankees lost.

  61. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    I am voting now that I think Mitre will be starting Thursday

  62. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    Pathetic A’s? They have a core of pitching that is going to be knocking your socks off kids.

  63. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    “Just heard Pedroia was a late scratch tonight from the line-up. Anyone hear why?”

    He stood up and bumped his head on a table. :P

  64. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Pedroia’s scratch is listed as personal reasons.

  65. rconn23 July 6th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Pat,

    Pedroia scratched for personal reasons. Don’t know what they are though.

  66. Carl July 6th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Go A’s

  67. Ramey July 6th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    “He stood up and bumped his head on a table.”

    The kitchen table or a coffee table? I didn’t think he was tall enough to reach the kitchen table…

  68. jennifer July 6th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Donna- The Yankees lost by a run. So yes it was a huge contributing factor as to why the Yankees lost.

  69. NYY626 July 6th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    6-0 :)

  70. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Laura,

    I understand that, but I lost all respect for Nomar on July 1, 2004 during the epic 13 inning game (with the Derek Jeter diving catch). Every player on both benches was used in that game except for Garciaparra. Because it was his day off. If I was a Sux fan, I would not forgive that. He was traded that month

  71. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    I might be more surprised with the As offense – they have not been this good

  72. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    pat: Pedroia’s scratch was given as personal reasons. Nothing beyond that.

  73. rconn23 July 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    The A’s have a chance to take 2 out 3. Eveland has been terrible this year, and facing Beckett, it looks like a mismatch.

    But Cahill against Wakefield is a toss up.

  74. murphydog July 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Cheering Garciaparra after he quit on them. Idiots indeed. I suppose they’ll give Manny a standing O when the Dodgers come to town?

  75. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    Erica, to me it makes sense to go with Aceves. It isn’t like the Yankees don’t have anyone ready to go, nor is like they will have to make any fast decisions no matter what they do Thursday since they have the ASG break.

    That said, as always I will live well no matter who they pick. I don’t typically get jittery over their choice to replacement pitchers, unless it’s Alfred E. Then I get jittery.

    ;)

  76. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    “The kitchen table or a coffee table? I didn’t think he was tall enough to reach the kitchen table…”

    Coffee table for sure. :)

  77. Donna July 6th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    And this is the first time Nomar has been back to Fenway since 2004.

  78. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    6=0 A’s.

  79. Mr Veeck July 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Pedroia was scratched because he is finsihing a taping in a future episode of “Little People,Big World”

  80. Ramey July 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    “I understand that, but I lost all respect for Nomar on July 1, 2004 during the epic 13 inning game (with the Derek Jeter diving catch). Every player on both benches was used in that game except for Garciaparra. Because it was his day off. If I was a Sux fan, I would not forgive that. He was traded that month”

    Look at it from a Red Sox fan perspective now though. If Nomar didn’t have that “falling out” of sorts with the Red Sox and basically force his way out of Boston, they don’t trade him, they don’t get Orlando Cabrera and odds are, they don’t win the world series in 2004. His being a baby actually won them the world series kind of.

  81. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    “6-0 ”

    What happened to the A’s have no chance vs the MIGHTY RED SOXS !!!!

    -Brandon “I’m so Awesome !!!” :)

  82. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    I know that the attitude among players and fans is to say that good teams overcome these bad calls. But we’d have nothing to overcome if not for the calls. The umpires blew this game.

  83. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Tricia,

    That is a valid argument. The ASG does give them some breathing room. I just can’t imagine they would want to disrupt the bullpen the way its been rolling right now.

  84. Jones July 6th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Laura,
    “Joe Torre is dead to me so nothing he says bothers me anymore. He doesn’t exist in my universe.”
    ___________________________________________________________

    Thats a little harsh, don’t you think? All you have to say is you don’t like him.

  85. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    “I understand that, but I lost all respect for Nomar on July 1, 2004 during the epic 13 inning game (with the Derek Jeter diving catch). Every player on both benches was used in that game except for Garciaparra. Because it was his day off. If I was a Sux fan, I would not forgive that. He was traded that month”

    Time and time again, we’ve seen that baseball fans have selective memories. Apparently, they have decided to forget that game.

  86. RS July 6th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Have the Sox won a series against an AL West team yet?

    How crazy would this board be if Brett Anderson (5.00 ERA)was on his way to a CG shutout at Yankee Stadium?

    Sometimes Yankees fans overrate the Red Sox. Their offense has even more problems than the Yankees do.

  87. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    jennifer, that’s if you believe in the theory of the predetermined outcome. There is no saying the game would have played out the same way, play for play, if Jeter had remained on third.

  88. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    I also apologize Trish, cause I just randomly spelled your name wrong. :oops:

  89. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    And Miranda ends the Scranton game with an 11th inning, 2 out single (third hit, 2nd RBI).

  90. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    “Thats a little harsh, don’t you think? All you have to say is you don’t like him.”

    I don’t like him right now either.

  91. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    “Thats a little harsh, don’t you think? All you have to say is you don’t like him.”

    If I thought it was harsh, I wouldn’t have written it.

  92. NYY626 July 6th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    “I understand that, but I lost all respect for Nomar on July 1, 2004 during the epic 13 inning game (with the Derek Jeter diving catch). Every player on both benches was used in that game except for Garciaparra. Because it was his day off. If I was a Sux fan, I would not forgive that. He was traded that month”

    Hey if Nomar would have played we might have lost, so he gets a +1 in my book :)

  93. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Good point Laura

    Maybe I remember that game so well cause YES shows it on classic games so often. LOL. That is actually my favorite regular season game ever.

    Second favorite was Johnny Damon’s 6 for 6 walk off winning game last season. I wonder why I like that one so much…

  94. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Erica, since Aceves doesn’t get into a lot of games, I don’t think it would be a great disruption. We know he can pitch multiple innings.

    Just my thinking. We’ll see with the real brains around here decide in the end – that would be the Yankee organization.

    :)

  95. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Anderson going for a complete game?

  96. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    5 ERA Brett Anderson shut out the MIGHTY RED SOXS OFFENSE !

    And Melancon had a good relief appearance, while Ivan Nova continues to roll.

  97. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    “Second favorite was Johnny Damon’s 6 for 6 walk off winning game last season. I wonder why I like that one so much…”

    Did Damon become your pretend boyfriend before that game or after?

  98. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    That July 4 game was so awesome. It’s fun just listening to Michael Kay call it, his voice literally went hoarse.

  99. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    “If I thought it was harsh, I wouldn’t have written it.”

    :lol:

    I typically agree with your take on the Joe(ker)

  100. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    “If I thought it was harsh, I wouldn’t have written it.”

    :lol:

    I typically agree with your take on the Joe(ker)

  101. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    “If I thought it was harsh, I wouldn’t have written it.”

    :lol:

    I typically agree with your take on the Joe(ker)

  102. m July 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Is mlb & milb running some kind of ugliest line constest today? Pettitte, Cueto, Smoltz, Brackman…

    And the Phillies are still piling on runs.

  103. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    What a phenomenal game this kid Anderson has pitched. Good for him. One of my very favorite things is a quickly pitched game.

  104. Carl July 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Complete game shutout wow

  105. dennis-Costanza July 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    GB7.

    Well said as always.

    -dennis

  106. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    A’s 6 RS 0

    Smoltz still winless RS shut out baby!

  107. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Anderson, indeed, with a 2 hit complete game shut out – great game for him…

  108. pat July 6th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Thanks all.

    GB

    Someone also said the Sox would be “motivated” by the Yanks loss. A 2 hit shutout proves motivation is only as good as the starting pitcher. :wink:

  109. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:45 pm

    Laura-

    Johnny Damon has been my pretend boyfriend since 2003, when I developed my crush and told everyone that he had to one day be a Yankee because my crush on him was ruining my life. Everyone said i was completely insane and that Johnny Damon would never be a Yankee.

    The Yankees announced their deal with Johnny on December 20, 2005. The day after my 25th birthday. He was George Steinbrenner’s birthday present to me :grin:

  110. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Wow, the Red Sox SHUT OUT…that’s big. We don’t lose ground.

  111. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    22-1?? that is nuts

  112. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Erica, not a problem at all on the spelling of my name. I have purposely not been around here much so it’s easy to forget me! (There are also more than one ways to spell the name.)

  113. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Yikes, Phillies up 22-1

  114. Jones July 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Anyone know how Ramiro Peña is doing in Scranton?

  115. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Sux just announced that the standing ovation for Nomar was a minute and ten seconds.

  116. m July 6th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Wow, look at that. A manager let his rookie finish a complete game shutout even though he was over 100 pitches after the 8th.

    Couple runs short of being tied. Or technically 2 games up if CC had won, and if Jim Johnson could hold a lead against the Red Sox.

  117. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Philadelphia abusing Cincy. 22-1 now.

  118. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    I have this bad feeling that Smoltz is going to beat us for that first win…he always pitched well against us in those World Series games.

  119. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Yankees still 1 GB,whew! RS COULDN’T HIT pitcher stayed 8 innings.

  120. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    “Anyone know how Ramiro Peña is doing in Scranton?”

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....a_swbaaa_1

  121. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    WTTCTOHA-

    That was years ago, and a different John Smoltz with less surgeries on him. He may not be the same guy now

  122. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Whatever you think of Torre, he did win what, five championships in six years?

    That’s all I need to know.

    Whatever happened off field stays off field.

    He won on it.

  123. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    I hate Nomar. All the Sox fans used to argue that he was better than Jeter and we Yankee fans would just laugh and laugh and say that they were crazy.

    We were right.

  124. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    El Nino hit a double off of Micheal Bowden

  125. DarthBrauner July 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Girardi should of protested the game. I know you can’t protest a judgment call but when the ump decided to make a judgment call into a ruling that is grounds for protest.

  126. EY July 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    Wow @ Phillies

    Make it stop!

    Is there a mercy rule?

  127. NYY626 July 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    I used to love that commercial that jeter and nomar did together…yet i cant remember for the life of me what is was for haha. Computers?

  128. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Erica-I know. I just have this feeling, with the way games against the Sox have been going, that we’re going to struggle against him.

  129. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Brett Pedroia = Child Se xual Predator

    Sorry, but I don’t think this handle is appropriate or funny

  130. Pel July 6th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    I never would’ve expected the A’s to dispatch the Red Sox by shutout in 154 minutes.

    8O

    The loss today is still sour, though.
    Whatever.

  131. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    Nomar was a favorite of mine,not like the other heathens on that team.He was classy,liked him more when he left.

  132. murphydog July 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    “I have this bad feeling that Smoltz is going to beat us for that first win…he always pitched well against us in those World Series games.”

    That was a while ago, no? IMO, by September he may get to the point of keeping his team in a game, but I think the old Smotlzie is gone, especially in a league with the DH.

  133. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    wow – BBT taking up for the yankees and getting heated at it too

  134. Jones July 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    Thanks Brandon!

  135. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    *channels Michael Kay*

    Do the Reds have a rally in their bones?! Tying run is near Baltimore right now, but don’t want to fall into the fallacy of the predetermined outcome.

  136. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    “Whatever you think of Torre, he did win what, five championships in six years?”

    Rebecca, I don’t give Torre a pass for his recent behavior just because he was part of the dynasty run. In my opinion, he threw that good will out the window with his book. His comments yesterday just confirm my low opinion of him. He’s a phony and a hypocrite and 4 WS wins in 5 years doesn’t change that fact.

  137. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    dennis-Costanza
    July 6th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
    GB7.

    Well said as always.

    -dennis

    ————————————————————

    Evening, Dennis. Hope all is well up in Maine. I’ll tell you this, about those Oakland pitchers, if they stay healthy and together, they might be more than the Angels and Texas can handle in the West by next year. That kid, Anderson had everything working against some bigtime hitters.

    Was there a reason for sitting Drew and Pedoiia, tonight? Or, was it just for a rest? Seems odd that they would be resting Pedroia on an almost weekly basis.

  138. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Not only did they sit Pedoiia, but, they sat his cousin, Pedroia, too.

  139. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    “Brett Pedroia = Child Se xual Predator

    Sorry, but I don’t think this handle is appropriate or funny”

    No, but technically, that’s “accused” Child Sexual Predator. I don’t think he’s been convicted yet. Maybe he has a court date tomorrow and that’s why the Hobbitt took off tonight.

  140. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Laura: I never said I forgave him for the book.

    But no matter what I can’t forget what that team did in the late 90s.

    And honestly, unless you’re a child killer, genocidal maniac, violent religious fanatic or utter bigot, I can’t really hate someone like that.

  141. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    “Thanks Brandon!”

    I’m too Awesome for this. :D

  142. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 9:57 pm

    Brandon-

    Are you too awesome for this blog???

  143. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    wow – BBT taking up for the yankees and getting heated at it too

    =====================

    Yeah I was watching that. Kruk especially seemed pissed off

  144. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    “Thanks Erica,

    It’s not meant to be funny. It’s a truthful statement meant to get the word out there for anybody that might not know. You certainly wont see ESPN letting people know this story. That’s probably why PED-roia was scratched tonight, because he had to be talked down by Dustin from doing something bad again!”

    Why on earth does what Dustin’s relative do have to do with Dustin’s character as a person?

    It’s one thing to rag on a guy as a player.

    Quite another to rag on them as a human being.

  145. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    No jokes about Pedophilia please.

  146. murphydog July 6th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Brett Pedroia is an admitted child sexual predator

    http://cbs13.com/local/Pedroia.....92918.html

    That makes it a true fact, not funny or unfunny. Not so sure, however, that it’s necessary to make it part of anybody’s handle. The name “Brett Pedroia” by itself kind of says it all.

  147. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    “And honestly, unless you’re a child killer, genocidal maniac, violent religious fanatic or utter bigot, I can’t really hate someone like that.”

    My comment about him being dead to me was very “Sopranos” like. Perhaps I watch too much TV. I don’t hate Torre to that extent; I just don’t care to hear anything about him or from him.

  148. Richie July 6th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    If Foster isn’t fired, what’s the point?

  149. m July 6th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Umps are going to make mistakes. They’re only human.

    But that many misses in one game just compounds the frustration.

    Kudos to the team for not letting it get to them. That’s a testament to their perseverance.

  150. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    murphydog, I didn’t realize he had been convicted. Wasn’t he just arrested a few months ago? I thought it took forever for someone to go to trial.

  151. dennis-Costanza July 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    GB7.

    I believe they sat Drew because they were facing a tough lefty. DP was a late scratch for “personal issues”.

    Hopefully it is jock itch.

    -dennis

  152. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    Erica-

    I’m just too Awesome *points at self w/ fingers from both hands at my awesome grin*

  153. Nick in SF July 6th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    “Couple runs short of being tied. Or technically 2 games up if CC had won, and if Jim Johnson could hold a lead against the Red Sox.”

    Or if AJ had known what to do with a 6 run lead. Or if…

    :)

  154. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Brandon-

    I am throwing in the towel in the battle of awesomeness

    You can believe what you’d like, but I know the truth

  155. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    “Umps are going to make mistakes. They’re only human.”

    True m, but was his belief that you don’t have to be tagged to be out a mistake? That’s not a mistake; that’s blatantly ignoring the rules. The fact that he actually said that a loud makes it even worse.

    In the end, that’s not why they lost the game. Andy stunk up the joint. If he pitches better, they win.

  156. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    It’s not meant to be funny. It’s a truthful statement meant to get the word out there for anybody that might not know. You certainly wont see ESPN letting people know this story. That’s probably why PED-roia was scratched tonight, because he had to be talked down by Dustin from doing something bad again!

    =======================

    Oh stop it

  157. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    “Brandon-

    I am throwing in the towel in the battle of awesomeness

    You can believe what you’d like, but I know the truth”

    That I’m awesome. ;)

  158. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm

    I took one look at Brett Pedroia’s face on the article and instantly got creeped out.

  159. pat July 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    Props to Swisher. The Reds SS pitched and gave up a grand slam.

  160. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    dennis-Costanza
    July 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
    GB7.

    I believe they sat Drew because they were facing a tough lefty. DP was a late scratch for “personal issues”.

    Hopefully it is jock itch.

    -dennis

    ————————————————————

    Ahhh…ok. I understand about Drew, but, didn’t really care to know that particular reason about Pedroia. Lucky for me, I wasn’t drinking a Coor’s Light when I read that.

    How about putting up some “Hazardous To Your Health” warnings before say stuff like that? I might have had a mouth full of potato chips.

  161. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    After reading that article, I actually feel sorry for Dustin. Can you imagine having a family member who did such a thing? The kid was 8 years old. Ugh!! I think I’m going to hurl.

  162. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    well – on baseball tonight, they were very clear that the call was wrong – and also went so far to say if Jeter was out b/c the ball got there before he did w/o a tag, then why was Swisher safe if the ball got there first and he evaded the tag…

    great question

  163. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Brett, I guess I got tired of the forum experts writing tomes during the game threads and acting as if anyone who disagreed with their opinions was totally beserk. It’s one thing to frame something as your opinion. It’s quite another to act like you are Jesus C Almighty when you’re giving your opinion. I find I’m happier not having to be around that kind of pomposity!

    :)

  164. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    well – on baseball tonight, they were very clear that the call was wrong – and also went so far to say if Jeter was out b/c the ball got there before he did w/o a tag, then why was Swisher safe if the ball got there first and he evaded the tag…

    great question

    ———————–

    Cause the umps are ridiculously inconsistent?

  165. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    I’m w/Rebecca; Torre should not have written the book.

    Tom Coughlin wrote a great book on the Giants’ super bowl run. He could have said some bad things about a lot of players, but Coughlin was smart enough to know, unlike Torre, that it would create a media storm. So he smartly kept away from controversy. And guess what? It’s a great book.

  166. m July 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    Laura,

    Haha. I just saw the replay at mlb.com. Kay said it right there, “Sometimes if the throw beats the player by that much they’ll just call you out.”

    Nick,

    I may have erred, maybe it wasn’t CC’s. I know there was a game in the last week that was winnable. And technically, AJ was off the hook for the Boston game. So, if the bullpen could’ve held the lead, and mo didn’t give up that 2 run shot, we’d be 4 games ahead. ;)

  167. Richie July 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    m,

    It’s not the “mistake” that Foster made, it’s his flagrant flouting of the rules by telling Jeter that he didn’t have to be tagged out because the ball beat him to the base. That attitude is undermines the integrity of the game, and that’s why it is a fireable offense.

  168. dennis-Costanza July 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    NickSF.

    I am guessing the book on ’78 turned out well for you.

    I finished “The Book Thief” last Friday. I have read it the last 3 summers. Amazing novel IMO.

    Started “The Art of Racing in Rain” last eve. Second time around. Love the message in the book.

    -dennis

  169. Pete D July 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    by july 31 jarrod washburn will a yankee

  170. RS July 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Random comment here, but how much does it suck for the Rangers, where every road game within the division starts at 9 pm because the other teams are 2 zones away?

  171. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Laura-The Yankees are a good enough team that they had every chance to win anyway. But that was a HUGE, HUGE part of why we lost. If those calls are not blown, I’m convinced we win that game. I really am.

  172. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Brett and trisha-I totally agree.

  173. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    “In the end, that’s not why they lost the game. Andy stunk up the joint. If he pitches better, they win.”

    Aha! And absolutely agree.

    Laura, if you want to be technically correct, Torre won 4 championships in 12 years. I GUESS that’s alright. But when you manage the Yankees, haven’t won a championship in 7 years, and can’t get past the first round of the playoffs, your real estate definitely takes a hit.

    Anyway, what he did has definitely been tainted by what he wrote and what he continues to say. I would think you agree girlfriend.

  174. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    “If those calls are not blown, I’m convinced we win that game. I really am.”

    And we did win – in the alternate universe, just like in the new Star Trek movie. :lol:

  175. Joe from Long Island July 6th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    If the umpire honestly just blows a call, I can accept that. We’re all human, and some plays are just too fast, too bang-bang, and only on replay can you tell the difference. If the umpire can honestly say, that’s the way I saw it, I can accept that. It’s something where the rules are ignored that I can’t stand, and that goes for the old “neighborhood play” on the GIDP at second base.

  176. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    As a Yankee manager, he was an all time great. You can’t take that away from him.

    But as a guy, I used to respect him as one of the classiest guys in baseball. No more.

  177. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Joe-What’s amazing is that his foot wasn’t even close to the bag.

  178. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    “If Foster isn’t fired, what’s the point?”

    If Foster were to be fired (something I consider ludicrous in its suggestion, by the way) then you can bet that every umpire that makes a mistake is going to be fodder for the firing squad. Life just doesn’t happen that way, nor should it. My opinion anyway.

  179. Laura - Win together, strike out alone! July 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    “As a Yankee manager, he was an all time great. You can’t take that away from him.”

    I’m not taking that away from him. I’m just choosing to ignore it. :P

  180. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Tell me what you guys think:

    I have a great book called the baseball Hall of Shame. I’m going to submit three entries: Swisher getting doubled off on infield liners on consecutive nights, Cano bunting on 3 and 0, and the 3 blown calls. What do you think?

  181. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    Foster should be fined or suspended.

  182. stuart July 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    admitting a mistake when proded and shown over and over on the MLB network means jack. if it was melky called out instead of Jeter no one would have made a big deal out of it.

    I saw all the calls they blew 3 of them, jeter at third, the jump throw force out at 2nd before the 3 rum HR, and Jeter safe at first.

    they blew 3 calls and having some blowhard be a surrogate and talk about it after the fact is not dealing with it, discipline wise. How about suspend them for incompetence without pay for about a week????WHy not?

    they blew 3 calls the play at 2nd was a no doubter, maybe jeter at first can be in the realm of close but the other 2 were a joke. the fat overwieght ump at 3rd will laugh about his incompetence while at lunch tommorrow with hirschbeck.. ha ha ha funny especailly if the yanks miss out on the playoffs by a game!!! Hilarious incompetent clowns…………

  183. Cards July 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Joe Torre has 4 rings and he’s going to win another one this year.

    If he were hear right now, we would be in 1st by about 10 games over a very average Boston team.

  184. Oh man. July 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    It’s one thing to be wrong on a call – it’s another to be wrong because of the rule – that’s not just an ‘oh well, stuff happens’. He shouldn’t be fired, but he should be reprimanded. It’s worse than your average blown call. This one can’t be brushed under the table.

  185. NYY626 July 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Laura, if you want to be technically correct, Torre won 4 championships in 12 years. I GUESS that’s alright.
    ______________________________________________________________
    Oh c’mon Trisha! Who else has even gotten close to that? Plus, we made the world series 6/12 and playoffs 12/12. You can fault Joe for the book, not for his record with the Yanks.

  186. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    If I told you guys that Aceves in 09 was kindasorta outpitching Mo in 96, y’all wouldn’t believe me, right…

  187. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    One day there will be a Joe Torre day at the Stadium (wait and see, there will) and I will clap and cheer with the rest. But I will cheer for Manager Torre, not Joe Torre the man.

  188. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    “it’s his flagrant flouting of the rules by telling Jeter that he didn’t have to be tagged out”

    Do you think that there is room for disagreement on whether he flagrantly flouted the rules? For example, could we call it an unfortunate mistake concerning his understanding of that particular rule?

  189. Jerkface July 6th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    The same guy that bats Matt Kemp 8th every night would have us up by 10 games? Really?

  190. m July 6th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    stuart,

    How could you forget Hinske’s “force out” at 2nd?

  191. TD213 July 6th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Who cares if he apologizes and gets suspended?

    We lost the game. The result stays the same.

  192. Nick in SF July 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    m: you can cherry-pick any two games you want, of course.

    dennis: thanks, yes, the book did end well. Sad thoughts for Yaz, though, making the last out like that. And sad thoughts for a generation of impressionable youngsters.

    All kidding aside, I would recommend that book to everyone here. It’s called “The Greatest Game — The Yankees, the Red Sox, and the Playoff of 78″ and it breaks down that game literally pitch-by-pitch.

    But it also gives the back stories of all the players and managers and the whole ’78 season and much of the late 60′s/70′s era in general. A great baseball history book, especially for folks who might have become fans of the game more recently. The author is Richard Bradley.

    Sox fans might not enjoy it as much as Yankee fans. :)

  193. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Cards-It is AMAZING how much I disagree.

    I don’t even know if we’d be this close to the Sox w/Joe managing. He has issues w/bullpen management.

    And the Dodgers are not winning the Fall Classic unless they get red hot by October.

  194. Oh man. July 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    But it’s a basic rule, Trisha. And I know it’s basic because I know the rule, lol. This one is bad.

  195. murphydog July 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Laura:

    According to published reports Brett was supposed to be sentenced June 30. Again, according to published reports, he pleaded guilty back in April – he was arrested in January 2009.

    Sometimes, the DA offers a plea bargain with a negotiated (limited, less than the max) sentence only for a limited time in order to induce a plea and spare the victim from being victimized again as a witness and being cross examined. Or it could have been that Pedroia realized he couldn’t win and wanted to avoid a messy media spectacle.

    No idea what the sentence was, or if it was even imposed on June 30. Sometimes sentences are adjourned.

  196. stuart July 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    m to be honest I did not see that one..

    I saw the other plays on the MLB network within the last hour.

    I live in LA torre lovers, the NL west is horrible.. We will see how they do in the playoffs in the minor league .

    the yanks, sux, and rays may be the 3 best teams in baseball period…

  197. Tweedle Dee July 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    The Dodgers were a middling franchise, mirrored in 20 years of futility before Joe Torre arrived.

    Now look at them… a dynasty in the making.

    Coincidence? I think not.

  198. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    “Who cares if he apologizes and gets suspended?

    We lost the game. The result stays the same”

    I do.

    I’m too Awesome to let that slide.

  199. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    Cards July 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Joe Torre has 4 rings and he’s going to win another one this year.

    If he were hear right now, we would be in 1st by about 10 games over a very average Boston team.

    ———————————–

    I’d like for you to pick some numbers on my lotto ticket…

  200. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    trisha-C’mon, I could tell a little leaguer that and they’d say that makes no sense. He’d have to be stupid to the point of ridiculousness if he thought there was a rule that if the ball beat you to the bag you’re out. That’s called a force out. If he acknowledges it’s not a force out then he has to know what he said makes no sense.

  201. stuart July 6th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    the dodgers are a franchise then I am Warren Buffett…

  202. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Tweedle Dee-A dynasty in the making? Reach a WS first, please.

  203. stuart July 6th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    I meant dynasty on the dodgers….

    they are far from great. if they were in the AL east they would finish 3rd or 4th….

  204. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    Tweedle Dee July 6th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    The Dodgers were a middling franchise, mirrored in 20 years of futility before Joe Torre arrived.

    Now look at them… a dynasty in the making.

    Coincidence? I think not.

    ———————————-

    You mean before Manny was gift wrapped to them and the rest of the teams in their division went down the tubes.

  205. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    As I thought. Carry on.

  206. SandMan July 6th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Torre lovers, explain to me 2004?

    and explain 2003 too for that matter….

  207. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Brett-See, I really don’t believe that Umps are biased against the Yanks. Umpiring has been bad all over MLB.

  208. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    I do give credit to John Hirschbeck, but unless something is done, then his words mean nothing. If umpires can just decide to make their own rules, then why can’t players? Maybe hitters will decide that it takes 4 strikes for a K or pitchers will decide that it takes 5 balls for a walk……

  209. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    NYY626 I have to be honest in telling you that I had started to get tired of his management style, always sucking up to the veteran players, killing arms in the bullpen, his inability to get the team out of the first round of the playoffs, etc. The shine was off the apple for me. When you have everyone referring to your team of choice as Murderer’s Row and Cano and they are the hands down favorites to win the world series, and they don’t even make it out of the first round because your manager decides to sit the kids that got him there and put in a crybaby named Sheffield who wasn’t even playing for the majority of the season but decided he should be in the playoffs and cries to the press, and the manager capitulates to that crap, well to me that manager needs to be somewhere else.

    That said, I am not faulting anyone for loving the guy, continuing to love the guy, think he is great, and all the rest. I can understand why people would feel that way. I just don’t happen to be one of those people.

  210. m July 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    stuart,

    It was awful. The most blatant one of all. Even a legally blind person could’ve seen that Scutaro wasn’t on the bag. In fact he was running back to the bag and stopped when the umps ruled Hinske out.

  211. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Anyone hear Barry Larkin on MLB? He’s a smart guy, but he sounded so foolish basically saying that umps make mistakes. Um, Barry – that’s not the point.

  212. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    LOL Erica, where did you read that? I think I’m going to like Hinske – certainly had a good first day.

  213. dennis-Costanza July 6th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    NickSF.

    I know you are busy, however…

    Please consider “The Book Thief”.

    -dennis

  214. Mark July 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Yeah Torre elevated us ahead of Boston in 07 right?

    Face it, his time was done. If you read his book, he was mentally checked out as well. He has a chip on his shoulder in LA, but that was clearly not evident here the last 3-4 years.

  215. Scorpio July 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Let’s not forget the Tex play at home plate yesterday. The ball wasn’t even in the catcher’s glove when the supposed tag was applied. Tex was safe.

  216. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    In my mind, Wally Bell was worse than Foster at 3rd.

    He missed the Jeter jump throw call AND the Scutaro wasn’t on the bag call, both of which a competent umpire gets correctly.

  217. Drain003 July 6th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Cards July 6th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Joe Torre has 4 rings and he’s going to win another one this year.

    If he were hear right now, we would be in 1st by about 10 games over a very average Boston team.

    ——————-

    srsly? LOL

  218. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    You know, it’s a shame about Aceves. If he hadn’t come in at a time that the two most touted Yankee prospects in years were up at the same time, he’d be touted as a phenom and would be a sensation in NY.

  219. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    “trisha-C’mon, I could tell a little leaguer that and they’d say that makes no sense. He’d have to be stupid to the point of ridiculousness if he thought there was a rule that if the ball beat you to the bag you’re out. That’s called a force out. If he acknowledges it’s not a force out then he has to know what he said makes no sense.”

    So you are saying what? Foster was lying on purpose? What’s your point?

    I just cannot work up the energy to get up in arms the way some of you do. I guess I know my limits and I also know that whether I spin out of control over something or don’t, it isn’t going to change the course of history. So I tend to let life flow without getting terribly crazed or judgmental.

    Let the person here who has never made a mistake, and maybe even a big mistake, throw the first stone. I just can’t get excited. Sorry.

  220. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    IDK, I’d never become an up. there is no way I’d treat Red Sox and Yankee calls the same as other calls.

  221. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    “srsly? LOL”

    Ditto

  222. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    So all I heard was that El Nino was being sent down to learn the OF position, btw LD single to RF in gm.2, why isn’t El Nino in LF, RF, or CF ?

  223. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Brett Pedroia-Not true. Against the Rays that whole 8th inning was full of close plays that went our way. It’s why we won.

  224. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    Ugh, I missed it – Rishi, what did BBT say? Thanks!

  225. NYY626 July 6th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Trisha, i respectfully disagree :). Can’t blame everything on Torre…some of it has to be on the players in those games.

    Not that I like losing AT ALL, but baseball would have become pretty boring if we would have won the WS every year since 96. No one would watch except Yankee fans cause everyone else would be too disgusted, no suicidal blog posts…

    This being said, a 9 year drought is long enough :) 27 in 09!

  226. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    “Anyone hear Barry Larkin on MLB? He’s a smart guy, but he sounded so foolish basically saying that umps make mistakes. Um, Barry – that’s not the point.”

    Actually, Bets, that is the point.

  227. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    up is ump.

  228. Irrational Thinker July 6th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    You really think Randy Wolf, Eric Milton, Kuroda etc. survive in the AL East? Even Kershaw’s growing pains will be heightened 10-fold facing Boston, Tampa, NY, BAL instead of SD, SF, Arizona’s offense.

    Dodgers will be a slightly better version of the Blue Jays in the East.

  229. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    Betsy-

    It is fron the Yahoo game recap. Here is the link:
    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/re.....=290706110

  230. Nick in SF July 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Rebecca: I’m too timid to challenge talk radio personalities such as yourself.

    dennis: it sounds like an Abbie Hoffman book, but I’ll try to check it out.

  231. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    “This being said, a 9 year drought is long enough 27 in 09!”

    Upon that we definitely agree.

    :)

  232. Scorpio July 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    I find it hilarious how Peter Gammons says ABSOLUTELY nothing about the bad ump call. Boy, I hope that happens to his Red Sox one day.

  233. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    NYY626-I respectfully disagree with you. I’d love to win the WS every single year for the rest of my liife. That would just be awesome.

  234. Erica - more awesome than others July 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    My biggest blame during the Joe Torre era was Game 2 of the 2007 ALDS. He should have stood on that field in Cleveland and kicked and screamed until the game was halted. I will always fault him for the Yanks loss that season

    And in retrospect, Torre has voiced that not doing that was probably his biggest mistake as Yankee manager

  235. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    No it’s not, Trish – we’re just very far apart on this. The Umpires have no business making the rules – as I said in another thread, they are not the Supreme Court; they don’t get to interpret the rule book. According to the rules of the game drawn up over 100 years ago, a runner needs to be tagged out unless it’s a force. That’s absolutely unimpeachable. The fact that this guy is in a position to determine games is scary (who knows what other rules he’s breaking).

  236. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    I seriously haven’t noticed it. I’m not saying this to be difficult, I’m being serious.

  237. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Betsy – basically that the call was a hot mess….just added how they don’t think it makes any sense to throw out Girardi when it’s on a BS call and you know it’s a BS call. Krukie almost had a heart attack. It is not acceptable to say it used to be this way so it shall be…they need to do a better job training the umpires…

    they think the statements by the crew chief basically say the call was wrong. Really only focused on the Jeter play (though the first time they showed it they talked about the Swisher safe at 2nd).

    now talking about how the Jays are sellers for the most part.

  238. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    New thread.

  239. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Brett, I actually have greater difficulty with Angel Hernandez who appears to have a grudge against the Yankees. He makes some really awful calls during games when he’s the ump. But we’re helpless to do anything about it it seems.

  240. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Brett, I actually have greater difficulty with Angel Hernandez who appears to have a grudge against the Yankees. He makes some really awful calls during games when he’s the ump. But we’re helpless to do anything about it it seems.

  241. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    new post

  242. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Erica, thanks!

  243. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    I think we should have bunted a lot more in game six of the 04 ALCS to test out that bloody ankle.

  244. MelkyIsGod July 6th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    I believe Eric Hinske’s nick name should be E-Roc or E-Rock.

    What do you people think?

  245. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 6th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Betsy, I still have greater difficulty with calls that are so far off the plate that it isn’t funny. Those through the course of a game make me want to pop a blood vessel. I agree with the poster who said that maybe Foster was just jawboning at that point.

    But anyway, it is what it is. I understand people being upset, I understand people just letting it go because it feels you can’t pick that one out when so many others have been so bad.

    But whatever.

  246. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    MelkyIsGod-I like it.

  247. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Scorpio July 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    I find it hilarious how Peter Gammons says ABSOLUTELY nothing about the bad ump call. Boy, I hope that happens to his Red Sox one day.

    ———————-

    He’s the leader of the Red Sox homer brigade at NESPN. Not surprising at all.

  248. NYY626 July 6th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:36 pm

    NYY626-I respectfully disagree with you. I’d love to win the WS every single year for the rest of my life. That would just be awesome.
    ______________________________________________________________
    In theory, that would nice. But there is no denying it would be a lot less exciting if it happened every year. Just sayin.

  249. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Brett-If you do that you should turn it into a documentary and present it to MLB.

  250. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    NYY626-Maybe. But no Yankee fans cared back when the Yankees domijnated to a ridiculous extent back in the Stengel/Berra era.

  251. BBFan July 6th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    “The most important thing in life is trust.”

    I hate to say this, but the more I think about it Joe Torre is a phony. If he beleives in what he says, why did he write that book and throw so many inder the bus. Even today there is no reason for him to invoke the names of Andy and Alex when the media was asking him about Manny.

  252. JoshWhite July 6th, 2009 at 10:45 pm

    I hope Girardi formally protests the game and raises hell over it.

  253. MelkyIsGod July 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    JOSHWHITE-
    If he protest it what does he have?
    Bad Calls?

  254. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 10:50 pm

    The mistake was in saying that the runner is out if the throw beat the runner. The mistake was only incidentally that the call was wrong.

    Do you think the umpires can see in real time, from one angle, what we see on TV? The correct answer is “No”.

    The rule of thumb the johnny on the spot uses, in the case today, is “if the throw beats the runner the runner is out”.

    Now if the ump sees differently, he calls the runner out. But it’s hard to see if a tag is actually made. Also, no one wants to sees these plays turned into a “hand dance” where the runner moves his hands all around and dares the fielder to tag a hand.

    The ump shouldn’t have voiced the rule of thumb, because it gave Jeter a chance to shift the focus from his bad baserunning. But the ump did what all umps do from time to time, and the Yanks get the advantage of it half the time.

    So, i”m not worked up about it, and I think those thst are ought to think more carefully about why they are.

  255. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    MelkyIsGod-No, changing the rules so that his call is right no matter what.

  256. MelkyIsGod July 6th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN

    So that Joe changes what rule that if the throw beats you youre out?

  257. JoshWhite July 6th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Exactly.

    By him telling Jeter that he doesn’t need to be tagged to be out, it is a misapplication of the rules, and therefore, a call worthy of a protest.

    Here’s the official rule on protests.
    4.19
    PROTESTING GAMES.
    Each league shall adopt rules governing procedure for protesting a game, when a manager claims that an umpire’s decision is in violation of these rules. No protest shall ever be permitted on judgment decisions by the umpire. In all protested games, the decision of the League President shall be final.
    Even if it is held that the protested decision violated the rules, no replay of the game will be ordered unless in the opinion of the League President the violation adversely affected the protesting team’s chances of winning the game.
    Rule 4.19 Comment: Whenever a manager protests a game because of alleged misapplication of the rules the protest will not be recognized unless the umpires are notified at the time the play under protest occurs and before the next pitch, play or attempted play. A protest arising on a game-ending play may be filed until 12 noon the following day with the league office.

  258. MelkyIsGod July 6th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    JoshWhite

    I see what youre saying you have a point then.

  259. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    MelkyIsGod-He turned every play into a force play and eliminated tag outs.

    Perhaps he should write his own rulebook and distribute it to managers so they’re on the same page.

  260. Patrick July 6th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Hahaha that’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heard, “You don’t have to be tagged to be out”

    I guess the 2nd baseman doesn’t have to touch the bag for you to be out either. Eric Hinske would attest to that fact.

    What a joke these fat old men are. I can’t even call them umpires, it’s a complete farce.

    If the Yanks miss the playoffs this will be one of those games we look back on and wonder how things would have turned out had the fat old men made the correct calls.

  261. JoshWhite July 6th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Thanks. Unfortunately, I don’t think the league wants to take on the embarrassment of ordering a replay…so it wouldn’t matter much any way. Worthy of a shot though.

  262. DT - OPPC member (it's in our blood) July 6th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    Tomorrow night, Marty Foster will declare any ball hitting the foul pole is not a home run. He knows the rule, but the pole is named wrong so he decides to change things up.

  263. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    Patrick-

    Of all people I can’t believe you are misled on this call business. IMO the ump told Jeter the throw beat him, so what’s your beef? Jeter, again IMO, was using it to deflect the blame because he felt bad about his bad baserunning.

    All this is silly – we didn’t lose the game on this call, or if we did, many other games have been lost by many other teams the same way.

  264. MelkyIsGod July 6th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    BTW what does OPPC stand for?

  265. JoshWhite July 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    Wave Your Hat, we lost the game by 1 run. If Jeter was safe on third, he would’ve scored. Everything in baseball has drastic consequences on the rest of the game.

  266. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm

    This is not about a blown call it is about a inexplicable explanation. That is where the hub bub is

  267. Patrick July 6th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    That wasn’t the only wrong call in the game Wave.

    How can you accept an umpire blatantly disregarding a fundamental rule of the game? Pretty damning if you ask me.

  268. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    PatricI agree it wasn’t the only wrong call, and the others were worse IMO. The blown call at 2nd led to the 3 run HR, and that was just a blown call. And the other call at 2nd didn’t make the “vicinity play” exception IMO. Those two calls really irked me.

    But the call on Jeter just didn’t get me all that hot and bothered.

  269. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 11:23 pm

    Patrick-

    To answer your question more precisely, I don’t think the ump disregarded the rule. I suspect he didn’t see the play clearly, and fell back on a rule of thumb, which is that when the throw beats the runner, BARRING EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY, the runner is out. In this case, I think the ump just didn’t see that the the fielder had missed the tag.

    When Jeter complained, the ump just said the throw beat you, you were out. He probably should have thrown in all the boilerplate exceptions, but he didn’t.

  270. Donnie - Will Meet Roy Halladay Under the O'Neill Banner July 6th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    Foster was the same guy who called Tex out at home yesterday, when he was tagged with Chavez’s glove, while Chavez held the ball in his bare hand.

    Foster has been umpiring since 1996, so that makes this clear, BLATANT misunderstanding of the rules a little puzzling. Regardless, MLB HAS to do something about this.

    I’m a librarian. If I tell a customer completely wrong information regarding a program, or if I tell them we don’t have an item they’re looking for without even bothering to look for it, I’m going to lose my job. This is just a little different, but SOME kind of action must be taken. Period.

  271. Jones July 6th, 2009 at 11:45 pm

    ?So all I heard was that El Nino was being sent down to learn the OF position, btw LD single to RF in gm.2, why isn’t El Nino in LF, RF, or CF ?”

    Thats what I was wondering too

  272. Johnny B July 7th, 2009 at 12:28 am

    ““I was told by the umpire that I didn’t have to be tagged to be out,” an annoyed Jeter said after the game.”

    If this is true the umpire should be fired.

    Whatever happened to scooter the squirrel? Flog pole to expensive at yankee stadium?

  273. ANSKY July 7th, 2009 at 7:30 am

    Seriously, he actually said to Jeter that he didn’t have to be tagged to be out? No wonder Jeter was ticked.

    That’s not like the ball beat Jeter and Foster just didn’t see the missed tag because his view was blocked, which happens sometimes in a bang-bang play and is probably why guys sometimes get called out when they’re not actually tagged.

    That’s more like saying “you can be safe but I can still call you out, and that’s what just happened” or telling a pitcher “just because the batter swung & missed doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a strike”.

  274. haiku-man July 7th, 2009 at 10:54 am

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