Game 82: Blue Jays at Yankees
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YANKEES (48-33)
Jeter SS
Swisher 1B
Teixeira DH
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera LF
Hinske RF
Gardner CF
Pitching: LHP Andy Pettitte (8-3, 4.25).
BLUE JAYS (42-41)
Scutaro SS
Hill DH
Wells CF
Rolen 3B
Rios RF
Millar 1B
Bautista RF
Barajas C
McDonald 2B
Pitching: LHP Ricky Romero (6-3, 2.85).
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees have won 10 of 11 and sit a game behind Boston. The Yankees have the third-best record in baseball. … Boston starts a four-game series with Oakland tonight. … The Yanks fly to Minnesota after the game.
WELCOME ABOARD: This game will be the debut of Eric Hinske, who was obtained on June 30, activated on July 1 and sat idle for five games.
MR. CONSISTENCY: This from the Yankees’ notes: Derek Jeter hit his 10th home run of the season in Sunday’s win vs. Toronto, marking his 14th consecutive season with 10-or-more homer. He is now one of six players to accomplish the feat solely as a Yankee and is one of five active Major League players with such a streak through 2008 or 2009.
The other Yankees to have done that: Mantle (1951-68), Berra (1947-62), Ruth (1920-34), Gehrig (1925-38) and Bernie (1993-06).
OLD FRIENDS: On Sunday, Derek Jeter and Jorge Posada each went 4 for 5, marking the first time in the 14-year history the two have been teammates that they both collected four hits in the same game. Aaccording to Elias, it marked the first time two Yankees – each past his 35th birthday – had at least four hits in the same game since July 21, 1950 when Johnny Mize and Joe DiMaggio accomplished the feat in a 14-5 win vs. the Tigers.
BLUE JAY BEATING: The Yankees are 5-1 against the Jays this season.
OLD FOES: Pettitte is 18-11 with a 3.92 ERA in 36 career starts (37 appearances) against Toronto.
Thanks to Jake Thomases for calling in the lineup. He’s covering the game today as I pack for the road trip and All-Star break. But I’m planning to watch the game and will chip in some updates from time to time.
UPDATE, 12:12 p.m.: Joe Girardi says the Thursday starter will not be Phil Hughes. That would seem to narrow it down to Alfredo Aceves or Sergio Mitre.
How about Kei Igawa? Thanks, I’ll be here all week. Tip your waitresses. Try the veal.
UPDATE, 1:10 p.m.: We’re underway in the Bronx as Pettitte faces the Jays. Hey, Eric Hinske caught a fly ball. He’s in the books as a Yankee.
Enjoy the game.
UPDATE, 1:20 p.m.: Jeter looked safe, but the throw beat him and it’s a silly play to try and steal third there unless you know for sure you’re going to be safe. It’s equally pointless for Girardi to get tossed out.
UPDATE, 1:50 p.m.: That Jeter play got Romero off the hook in the first inning and he cruised through the second. Meanwhile Michael Kay just asked David Cone if he was ever in Boy Scouts.
Full disclosure: I was in Troop 24 and made it all the way to Life Scout (one rank below Eagle) before I bailed out at the age of 15. Learned life-saving skills, how to make a square knot and how to make a fire without matches. All fairly useless skills.
Anyway, the 1-2 pitch.
UPDATE, 1:58 p.m.: The blown call at second base cost the Yankees three runs. Of course, Pettitte shouldn’t be walking Marco Scutaro to lead the inning off.
Pettitte: 11 home runs in 58.1 innings at home, 2 home runs in 42 innings on the road.
UPDATE, 2:20 p.m.: A couple of blown calls. … Jose Bautista making like Willie Mays in the outfield … Doesn’t look much like a sweep in the making, does it?
UPDATE, 2:33 p.m.: Eric Hinske finds out quickly how accommodating right field can be at Yankee Stadium. 4-1 Jays. Yankees need to get into the tired Toronto bullpen.
UPDATE, 2:39 p.m.: 82 ABs since Tex last hit a home run. It was on June 12. We had a much larger population of celebrities back then.
UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Andy’s line so far: 6 4 4 4 4 3. Or as Joba Chamberlain would term it: just tremendous.
Speaking of which, somebody needs to talk to young Mr. Chamberlain about accountability. Part of being a big leaguer is owning up to bad games. This “well they hit good pitches” stuff is getting old.
UPDATE, 3:08 p.m.: Yankees fans won’t want to hear this, but good for John McDonald. “Johnny Mac” grew up in East Lyme, Conn., a big Yankees fan. He played junior college ball then went to Providence College and was an All-Big East player before the school dropped baseball. John and his family will be thrilled that he homered in the Bronx. His dad, Jack, was a great high school football official and umpire.
Back in another life, I selected John for an American Legion All-Star Game that my former paper, The Norwich Bulletin, sponsored for years. He’s a good guy and has been in the big leagues for a decade. Not bad for a kid that UConn didn’t want out of high school because he was too small.
UPDATE, 3:14 p.m.: Brian Bruney showing again why they’re keeping Phil Hughes in the bullpen. He’s either still hurt or just terribly rusty.
UPDATE, 3:28 p.m.: It’ll be interesting to see whether the Yankees try and paint this game as they got screwed by the umpires. Because, frankly, they didn’t. It was bad pitching by Pettitte and Bruney.
UPDATE, 4:02 p.m.: All this mess and they bring the tying run to the plate. Jeter will want to take a shot at right field.
UPDATE, 4:05 p.m.: Big spot for Swisher. Does he work the count?
UPDATE, 4:06 p.m.: I don’t get it, I just don’t. Swisher is supposed to be Mr. Patience. Frasor walks in a run and he hacks at the first pitch and pops it up. And it was low. Pin that on the umpires, too? 10 LOB.
UPDATE, 4:20 p.m.: Jon Albaladejo holds the Twins at seven. Yankees need runners.
UPDATE, 4:32 p.m.: Yanks were 1 for 10 with RISP before Godzilla struck.
UPDATE, 4:32 p.m.: Eric Hinske can become a True Yankee with one swing.
UPDATE, 4:34 p.m.: Yankees have had eight walk-offs. Another one in the works?
Frasor has had to throw a lot of pitches.
UPDATE, 4:35 p.m.: Swung at ball four there.
UPDATE, 4:36 p.m.: And that is that. Yankees 2 for 12 with RISP and left 11 men on base. Hinske swung at ball four twice. Plenty of chances to win this one.
UPDATE, 4:50 p.m.: There were three bad calls by the umpires and some fans will point to that. Maybe some players, too. But only weak teams do that. Over the course of the season, it pretty much evens out. They left 11 men on base five in scoring position and Pettitte and Bruney pitched poorly. That’s why they loss.
The Yankees are — or at least should be — above pinning it on the umpires.
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Hard to believe we’re on Part 2 of the season already.
Glad to see our best hitter at the moment isnt playing. Matsui for president.
love it when the game post is up before lunch
Only 2 posts in for a lineup complaint.
A new record!!
hinske’s finally playing. i was reading the thread from yesterdays game and it seemed like quite a few people were upset that he wasn’t in there at the hot corner.
lot of changes in the lineup today…are there injuries/bumps and bruises or are multiple people just getting rest on the same day?
Pete, Just want to thank you for this great blog and all the info you provide!
Hinske!!!
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....brett.html
Tomko painting Phil Hughes
Girardi said he was going to get Hinske into a game before the end of the homestand.
He also said he was going to get Tex a DH day prior to the roadtrip.
The lineup reflects both desires.
A tough lefty is on the mound, so Girardi is opting to rest Damon and Matsui, two lefties.
Unfortunately, Hinske is terrible against left-handed pitchers. Why Girardi chose today to start him, I don’t know.
Teix needs a rest and he DH’s, Matsui gets an off day, Hinske debuts at RF and Matsui gets rest on the bench, we took 3 out of 4 going for the sweep, I don’t see a problem here especially since the hottest bat on the Yankees was resting yesterday in Al. Matsui is no different, off day, whine and complain about something that makes sense.
I’m let down that I am going to miss the first hour of the game since I am at work!
I understand the need for Tex to have a day off, but how can you not play Matsui now… I mean, isn’t it better to let Tex have a day off on a turf?
Cheers to Hinske. Hope he – and the rest of the boys – do well today.
I really like this line-up.. Top to bottom it will be interesting to see how well we produce today.. hopefully Gardner will go back to his old ways of destroying the base paths and Hinske will give the fans faith in his ability to hit. He actually reminds me a lot of swisher minus the ability to walk.. scary looking guy.. maybe we will see “the bash brothers” in action.. question though.. I understand Tex may need a day off in the field, but defensively why wouldn’t Girardi DH Swish and not Tex?
Glad to see our best hitter at the moment isnt playing. Matsui for president.
Hahahahaha-that’s classic – Its got nothing to do with facing a lefty right?
Boy Texiera never gets a day off.Hope Eric brings it today,looking for the sweep.This is going to be an intense game.
Cito hates the Yankees,fasten your seatbelts it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.
We will get to see Hinske’s defense in RF. Not sure if I would play him today with Andy going with the fly balls, but just my opinion. I like him, but he is definitely limited defensively. Really do want to see him in this lineup though for sure.
Glad to see Posada in the #5 hole.
Pretty soon with the break, a lot of guys will get days off regardless. They will need to eventually do the Swish at 1B, Hinske in RF some during the second half. Tex has been a horse even with some small injuries this year.
No, you don’t rest Tex on turf. You need his glove on turf.
They already won the series. This is a house money game and its the perfect time to give Tex a half day, rest Damon and Matsui, and get Hinske AB’s.
Believe it or not, if they lose today, its not the end of the world. If they win, great bonus since its awfully tough to sweep 4 game series against good teams.
Mattingly is on with Joe and Evan….I came in in the middle, but he’s as classy as ever. They asked if Donnie felt cheated because he retired a year before the Yanks went on a run, but he said no – so many wonderful things had happened to him and that you have to look forward, not back. I miss him and I wish he was back in the organization. Still, I think he and the Yankees are on good terms and that makes me feel better.
Ricky Romero’s a tough pitcher and I’m still not convinced Andy is “back”…..this will be a hard game to win, but hey – it’s been a great homestand and the Yankees have gained major ground on all of their rivals. They could really use some innings from Andy today…
I love baseball. There is a stat for every little thing possible.
I like this lineup, actually.
Some guys getting some rest and Hinske getting a chance.
Romero IS that good, but the team has won 10 of eleven. This is the perfect chance to rest some guys.
Nice to see that Hinske’s getting in. People acting like we acquired Pujols and sat him for a week or something.
Back to Tiger Woods. I love him as a golfer, but his comments still irritate me. Has he decided to forgo all appearance fees so that golf can be more affordable for struggling families? I know Tiger does a lot through his foundations, and Jim Brown ought not be casting stones. But when he brings up the Yankees, it’s our business, right? haha.
Finished the first half 15 games over .500? That’s something the Yankees should be proud of. Good job (but by all means feel free to keep winning).
It it was a close game late, could they move Tex to 1B (for defense) and Swish or another guy to DH?
Doreen once the player who is the DH is moved from the DH slot, the AL teams lose the DH altogether and the pitcher is now in the lineup in his place.
I am glad I am not watching. It would make me sad if I was watching on TV and there was no Johnny Damon in the lineup.
Excited for Hinske’s Yankee debut! Good luck Eric!!!
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=3963213
What A-Rod did to Ricky Romero
BUT, Girardi could move Teixeira to 1st, Swisher to right and have the pitcher hitting in Hinske’s slot…that is, if your scenario were to be presented (which I doubt, unless this is a 14 inning affair)
Andrew – that was what I thought. Thanks.
How is Hinske in RF? (And I can’t looking at him to much. Looks too much like “Dougie” from King of Queens. I hope he’s a little more athletic than Kevin James).
Carl:
Looks like Tomko’s a pretty gifted artist. Thanks for that link.
Andrew – A triple switch???
~Doreen
Tex really needs a day off,so DH is best.I don’t like it,but the guy needs rest.~
not a gripe, just curious who’s better at 1st / RF defensively between Swish and Hinske?
I’m glad Joe’s gotten Hinske into the lineup and was surprised (but not angry or upset) by the fact that he hasn’t found his way in there until now.
It’s funny how I feel these statement qualifiers are necessary as it’s sometimes difficult to ask a simple question here without at least one person thinking it’s a complaint…
A word of caution… Ricky Romero has been a different pitcher ever since he developed this nasty change-up reminiscent of Johan Santana. He’s given up only 2 ER in his last 22 IP.
RF is probably Hinske’s best position. Its where he has played the most the past couple of seasons.
I know we get spoiled as Yankee fans, but still- thinking back through outfields past, it’s pretty funny that this afternoon, the vaunted Yankees’ outfield will be patrolled by Cabrera, Gardner and Hinske.
“How is Hinske in RF?”
B/c believe it or not he can actually play defense out there.
Al just don’t even look at left field.
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I agree Tex could deserves a rest. Just wondering is all.
Smart move giving Damon a day off as well. Keeping his legs fresh, just like Matsui is important. Plus a day game and no adventures with his sketchy eyesight during the day games.
I am concerned though with Cody playing third on Arod’s off days. Like yesterday he has shown some good signs and some horrendous there. Hinske won’t be better. At some point if Pena can show he can play the OF I think Cody sees the door as his offense won’t win games, but if they need to get Arod enough rest in the second half, his defense will cost them some.
Wow. Tomko’s pretty decent. The only thing I would critique is that painting looks like Torre snoozing in the dugout.
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(And I can’t looking at him to much. Looks too much like “Dougie” from King of Queens. I hope he’s a little more athletic than Kevin James).
Think Paul Blart, Mallcop. Hinske’s not exactly panther like in the OF.
Cabrera’s arm in LF should do pretty well and Gardner is a pretty decent CF.. The routes he takes to balls are sometimes questionable.. but he’s young and learning.. As for Hinske.. maybe we will see something special.. He can’t have a worse arm then Damon.. can he?
SJ, Thanks.
Brandon, you too. I think. That was pretty jumbled.
“I’m glad Joe’s gotten Hinske into the lineup and was surprised (but not angry or upset) by the fact that he hasn’t found his way in there until now. ”
Why were you surprised? Hinske is filling the same utility role that Angel Berroa filled. He’ll be lucky to play once a week.
Hinske has an arm in RF, it’s Sheffield like. So yeh he might stop XBH in RF and have a play at the plate.
I don’t like reading stories like the Tomko painting thing because it makes me respect Tomko and cheer for him.. and then when he gets demoted I am going to be pissed just because I like his skill as an artist.. He seems like a great guy. Too bad he isn’t a better pitcher.
It doesn’t really matter because its only for one game.
Managers have to think ahead. Fans think game to game.
The Yankees have 3 games on turf, followed by 3 games in Anaheim.
They have already won this series. A win today isn’t important.
Its the perfect time to give some guys rest, get Hinske some AB’s, and prep for the final week until the ASB.
That’s why winning yesterday was important. It makes the lineups changes easier to take because this isn’t a must win game to win a series.
He should play more than a week. He could give Swish, Damon, and Alex days off. Ransom should only give Jeter and Cano days off.
That painting looks nothing like Phil Hughes. Nothing like him.
I agree with Mel, it looks like Joe Torre after a hot cup of green tea.
The best part about Hinske is he is experienced, always seems ready to play, pinch hit or whatever, but the best part about getting him is the lack of ego, he is willing to do whatever it takes, if it means playing once a week or whatever is required.
Anyone have a clue as to who is pitching on Thursday? Is Aceves going to get the nod? He certainly deserves to (if he physically can) after a phenomenal outing yesterday.
That’s more than once a week.
Hinske is a butch at third defensively. I just don’t see him being a good fit there, maybe not as bad as Ransom though, but maybe Ransom has a bit more range. Regardless whenever one of those guys is out there, be prepared for some plays like yesterday.
Evan: No one is quite sure. I’m not sure that the Yankees really intended for Aceves to go four innings yesterday, but now that he has…
Looks like Phil Hughes kneeling down to pray like he does before he pitches to me.
Interesting lineup. Damon and Matsui get the day off, Tex gets half a day off.
Unfortunately Hinske has to debut against a tough lefty. I’d give him a day at third vs Minnesota.
Looks like Posada has taken the 5 spot from Robbie. Thank goodness.
By the way 86w, Joba consistently threw 96-98 touching 99-100 while in the pen. When he went to the rotation last year he was consistently hitting 95 while touching 97-98. That is where he should be this year in the rotation.
A combination of being out of shape and bad mechanics has him sitting 90-92 while touching 94.
And Hinske can throw, but obviously lacks speed so don’t be surprised to see some balls dump in that normally wouldn’t.
john I doubt Hinske becomes an adventure at 3B like Cody was.
I agree, Carl…
“Why were you surprised? Hinske is filling the same utility role that Angel Berroa filled. He’ll be lucky to play once a week.”
I imagine he’ll find a spot to fill in a bit more than Berroa did but I was more surprised due to the fact that he was a new acquisition and just thought he might get slotted in sooner almost to say, in a way, “welcome to the team.” Or would have at least found a spot to come off the bench to hit. I imagine his lack of PT has a lot to due with the way we’ve been winning games lately…if we’d been struggling he would have been in several times by now if for no other reason than to provide a potential spark…
Pete has banned anything political on this blog,he even said it would cost violaters to be banned.Being this is a holiday week day,he might not be paying attention.You might want to refrain from the political link site.I’m just saying.
It’s nothing short of amazing that the Yankees are only a game back after being 5 back a little over a week ago.
Way back then – the Yankees had no chance at the playoffs, despite actually being in the Wildcard lead, because the Sox would be 10 games up by the break and the Rays were about to make a crazy run and pass the Yanks by the break.
Despite all that, the Yankees found a way to win games.
If they can keep playing this well there is no stopping them.
Hey all,
Random thought. As I check this post from Gisenyi Rwanda I am curious what other exotic locales people have checked into lohud from. Thought?
PS foreign keyboards are infuriating!!
“Evan: No one is quite sure. I’m not sure that the Yankees really intended for Aceves to go four innings yesterday, but now that he has…”
I didn’t think about that…possibly trying to stretch him out for Thurs? He seemed to handle it well…
“the best part about getting him is the lack of ego, he is willing to do whatever it takes, if it means playing once a week or whatever is required.”
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not that i’m knocking Hinske but I’m pretty sure he asked out of Pittsburgh because he wasn’t getting enough playing time.
BryanHoch: Asked Coke about his press box visit. He came up to complain the music wasn’t loud enough. “Who needs an iPod when you have a stadium?”
“Evan: No one is quite sure. I’m not sure that the Yankees really intended for Aceves to go four innings yesterday, but now that he has…”
Not sure Aceves is the answer for Wang’s starts. He hasn’t thrown more than 50 pitches in an outing in over 2 months. Best case scenario would likely see him throw 50-60 pitches over 4-5 innings and leave it to the pen…that will not include him. Joba’s start follows which likely will necessitate another 9-12 outs from the pen. Think Aceves should stay where he is and they spot start somebody for a couple Wang starts.
“And Hinske can throw, but obviously lacks speed so don’t be surprised to see some balls dump in that normally wouldn’t.”
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I remember a couple amazing diving catches by Hinske in RF for the Sox.
Of course many OF would have made the play much more easily
but he isn’t horrible in the field by any means.
I’m a little concerned with him playing 3b (if he does) but he is a capable OF for sure.
I remember reading the same (here) Boston Dave…another reason I found it curious that he had not found his way into the lineup until today.
Forgive my ignorance regarding prospects, but why did Albaladejo get another shot before Melancon did? Shouldn’t the envisoned closer of the future get a little seasoning?
yanks09,
Pete’s rules (on the sidebar) ask that you not post a link to your blog in the comments. But you can hyperlink it in your handle.
Looks like Tomko isn’t selling any pictures to ray or m!
“the best part about getting him is the lack of ego”
Any reason why Hinske should not lack ego???
“Think Aceves should stay where he is and they spot start somebody for a couple Wang starts.”
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I agree.
If it’s 1-2 starts, you patch it up.
If they need a longer term solution, then it may be necessary to make a change.
Right now the bullpen is fantastic. If it ain’t broke… don’t mess with it!
Pauly
July 6th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Forgive my ignorance regarding prospects, but why did Albaladejo get another shot before Melancon did? Shouldn’t the envisoned closer of the future get a little seasoning?
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My guess is that they want to develop Melancon more before they shake him up by sending him up and down. Alby is only going to be on the roster until Thursday when they probably call up Mitre to start. But they depleted the bullpen pretty well after the extra innings win, so I think Alby is just a temporary reinforcement. Plus, he has experience riding the Scranton express between SWB and the Bronx
“Forgive my ignorance regarding prospects, but why did Albaladejo get another shot before Melancon did? Shouldn’t the envisoned closer of the future get a little seasoning?”
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because the only place he is the “closer of the future” is on Yankee blogs.
He has work to do. He’ll get another chance eventually.
Alby is here, IMO, because they can have him eat innings and not worry about it too much. You won’t see him in meaningful innings.
Rishi,
The at-bat music’s pretty loud. I definitely heard Cano’s “Teenage Wasteland” and immediately thought, “you can’t make this stuff up.”
Hey, can you post Olney’s “no rules” all-star team?
sure, m…
“Forgive my ignorance regarding prospects, but why did Albaladejo get another shot before Melancon did?”
Likely because he’s been better than Melancon the past month or so. That’s not to say Melancon has been bad, but he hasn’t been the lockdown guy he was earlier.
murphydog,
lol. I was trying to be kind!
he focuses on the NL…
The Buster Olney All-Star team
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Imagine that the All-Star Game was something more than an exhibition, and that the managers actually did run the game as if the fate of the family farm rested on a win or loss on the Midsummer Classic. Imagine that the managers managed the same game every other day of the baseball season — with 25-man rosters, no rule about having one player from every team, the starting pitchers working deep into the games, and relief and bench specialists playing a major role.
Who would be on your team?
If the goal were only to win the game, I would be loading up on guys with acute splits, players who were the best against either left-handed hitters or right-handed pitches and hitters. I’d want some guys who could come off the bench with some pop, some guys who could run, and a strong defensive team to finish off a lead. You wouldn’t have to pick many starting pitchers, of course, although you could use a Johan Santana or a Yovani Gallardo in relief.
With that goal in mind, what follows is what my National League All-Star team would look like; we’ll have the AL team Tuesday. A major standard applied here is that you’ve got to pick players based on performance in the first half of the 2009 season, and players currently injured are not eligible (which is why Carlos Beltran is not eligible).
Versus right-handed starter
SS Hanley Ramirez, Marlins
2B Chase Utley, Phillies
1B Albert Pujols, Cardinals
LF Raul Ibanez, Phillies
C Brian McCann, Braves
RF Brad Hawpe, Rockies
3B David Wright, Mets
CF Colby Rasmus, Cardinals (He has an .898 OPS against right-handed pitchers, which is the best among the center fielders who are at least adequate defensively.)
P Dan Haren, Diamondbacks
Bench: Matt Kemp, Dodgers; Ryan Braun, Brewers; Russell Martin, Dodgers; Adam Dunn, Nationals; Joey Votto, Reds; Chipper Jones, Braves; Brandon Phillips, Reds; Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies
Versus left-handed starter
SS Ramirez, Marlins
2B Utley, Phillies
LF Ryan Braun, Brewers
1B Pujols, Cardinals
RF Ibanez, Phillies
CF Matt Kemp, Dodgers (.477 OBP against lefties)
3B Wright, Mets
C McCann, Braves
P Haren
Bench: Hawpe, Rasmus, Martin, Dunn, Votto, Jones, Phillips, Tulowitzki
Notes: Few players are as hot as Votto right now, and he and Dunn and Jones would make for some serious punch in late-inning pinch-hitting situations. I’d use Tulowitzki to finish at shortstop, and against right-handers, I’d have Kemp and Phillips available to pinch-run in the late innings. I thought about taking a third catcher, but the next-best guy with the best platoon numbers at that position, believe it or not, would be David Ross of the Braves. I’d rather have a switch-hitter like Chipper.
The rest of the pitching staff:
Tim Lincecum, Giants
Josh Johnson, Marlins
Francisco Rodriguez, Mets
Heath Bell, Padres
Ryan Franklin, Cardinals
Arthur Rhodes, Reds
Nick Masset, Reds
Randy Wolf, Dodgers
Notes: It’s a coin flip between Lincecum and Haren for the starting pitcher. While Lincecum has been the more dominant pitcher over the last couple of weeks, Haren’s excellence has been consistent throughout the season. Lincecum and Johnson have the type of stuff that would be fantastic coming out of the bullpen, and most of the rest of the selections are based on excellence against either right-handers or left-handers. Rhodes, for example, has held left-handed hitters to an OPS of .327; Masset has held right-handed batters to an average of .099. Right-handed hitters have an OPS of just .206 against Bell. Wolf’s dominance against lefties has been so extraordinary that I’d use him in a late-inning matchup: Lefties have a .111 batting average, with just two extra-base hits (one homer) in 81 at-bats. You watch Franklin pitch and you’re not overwhelmed by his stuff, but the results are there. He’s allowed three runs in 31 appearances and is 20-of-21 in save chances. Smoke, mirrors, whatever — he’s getting hitters out.
Debating the selections
There are no standards in place for All-Star selections; no rules. Everyone who fills out a ballot, from the fans to the players, make up their own rules about whether their pick should be based on first-half performance or career performance, or how much a first-half injury should come into play. Here’s something else worth remembering, too: It’s an exhibition game that’s meant to be fun.
So short of Joe Maddon picking an old high school buddy to be on the team, or Charlie Manuel taking 25 Phillies to St. Louis, the All-Star selections are not worth a whole lot of angst. Personally, I would not have voted for Manny Ramirez, given that he played in less than half his team’s games in the first half, but if he had been elected by fans, well, that really isn’t that big of a deal.
Josh Hamilton hasn’t played a whole lot in the first half of the season, but a whole lot of fans voted for him; they want him there in St. Louis.
Fine. Send him. Introduce him, give the fans a chance to cheer him, give him an at-bat, and then put somebody else in. Peace in the Middle East is not at stake.
Tim Wakefield is having a very good season but hasn’t pitched quite as well as quite as Kevin Millwood. Maddon wanted to reward a guy who has been terrific in how he has represented baseball for almost two decades, and someone who has been a strong performer for the team with the best record in the American League, so he picked Wakefield.
Millwood would have been an excellent choice. Wakefield is an excellent choice, too. And global warming will not be reversed based on whom Maddon picked here, so let’s not go all nutty about this.
Ryan Howard has had a mediocre first half of the season, posting a .326 on-base percentage. But keep in mind that over the last 3½ seasons, he has 173 homers and 491 RBIs. Is Manuel embarrassing himself by picking a player without whom he rightly believes he would not have won the World Series? Hardly. He could have chosen Mark Reynolds of the Diamondbacks, but he had the power to reward his own worthy candidate, and he did it. The question of North Korea’s nuclear disarmament isn’t riding on the question.
http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....=blogEntry
“I remember reading the same (here) Boston Dave…another reason I found it curious that he had not found his way into the lineup until today.”
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There is a difference between riding the pine for the Yanks vs the Pirates…
still, there aren’t many (if any) teams that would start him every day.
Of course, if he makes the most of his opportunities, he should earn more PT.
SJ44
July 6th, 2009 at 11:16 am
“Fans think game to game”
“They have already won this series. A win today isn’t important”
“this isn’t a must win game to win a series”
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The line up is right today but all games are important, “we play today we win today das it”
is that a record post for length?
or does “dave” still hold that honor?
Boston Dave 2.0
July 6th, 2009 at 11:33 am
is that a record post for length?
or does “dave” still hold that honor?
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Mine was just a copy/paste
I am guessing Rishi isn’t posting from work.. wow that was long
“The line up is right today but all games are important”
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true… but if you need to give guys a rest (and they do occasionally), today isn’t a bad day to do it.
they won’t need another break for a while because of the ASB
RT @BryanHoch Yankees holding team meeting for about 10 minutes today – began at 11:30.
BryanHoch: Yankees holding team meeting for about 10 minutes today – began at 11:30.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime
July 6th, 2009 at 11:35 am
RT @BryanHoch Yankees holding team meeting for about 10 minutes today – began at 11:30.
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What could this be about? We have won 8 of our last 9 so lets keep playing well???
Oh – I’m at work…that copy/paste was a special request – I will never, ever actually type out a post that long
Posada: Joba you’re fired.
Okay Rishi. That explains it. LOL. I was amazed at your patience
Okay Rishi. That explains it. LOL. I was amazed at your patience
Erica: Best guess is Thursday’s start.
All games aren’t important. That’s a fan fallacy.
You play 162 games in 180 days. How you handle your players workloads determines your success.
Overplay an older team, and they have nothing left in the tank in September.
Rishi,
Thanks. Sounds like he’ll have the AL team tomorrow. Thanks in advance.
Joe maddon irritates me in general, so I’ll try not to rant too much. But his choices seem so…Joe maddon. He picks the Seattle manager because he wanted to choose someone to represent the small market (like Tampa is). And now he’s giving a lifetime achievement award to Wakefield?
And his funky bullpen moves won’t be anything to blink at because his style’s been used in ASG for years. Rivera was the players’ choice. And he chose Papelbon? Should be interesting. Who pitches the 9th? Who pitches in a tie game?
Whoo! that was one loooong post.
They meet for 10 minutes so everyone can yell at Joba.
“If they need a longer term solution, then it may be necessary to make a change.
Right now the bullpen is fantastic. If it ain’t broke… don’t mess with it!”
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They do need a long term solution. Wang was starting to come around but you don’t want to mess with shoulder injuries. Not to mention this is just another issue that Wang will have to deal with mentally.
I think Aceves could be stretched out to start. I also think Hughes should be used for more innings when he is used (certainly not just 1 inning) for 2 reasons:
1. He is the best reliever we have besides for Mo.
2. Let him build up more innings for next year.
Bullpen would look like Bruney/Coke for the 6th-7th, Hughes for the 7th-8th, and Mo.
Wakamatsu’s doing a great job in his first year. But really? Would it make sense to give the nod to another small market team that’s been toiling unnoticed for years?
Not to defend Joe Madden but, every manager picks his favorites for the All Star Team.
Joe Torre did it all the time, much to the chagrin of lots of teams.
Its just another reason why the ASB has turned into a joke.
The less Yankees that play in it, and those that do I like to see play as little as possible, suits me just fine.
I don’t want anybody getting hurt for the second half of the year.
“And his funky bullpen moves won’t be anything to blink at because his style’s been used in ASG for years. Rivera was the players’ choice. And he chose Papelbon? Should be interesting. Who pitches the 9th? Who pitches in a tie game?”
Thanks God the game doesn’t matter.. oh, wait…
m
July 6th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Rishi,
Thanks. Sounds like he’ll have the AL team tomorrow. Thanks in advance.
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hint taken
Maybe they are meeting for 10 minutes to do group hugs
Was Joba at the team meeting? Oh, that was bad.
Folks, I still can’t get over Roy Halladay’s reaction to Johnny Damon’s home run on Saturday and am convinced that the new Yankee Stadium is going to be a big advantage for the Yankees when teams come into town the SECOND TIME this season. There has been a lot of media attention to the new stadium and the way balls fly out of the park. Despite that I don’t think it has an impact on poosing players until they come into town and experience it firsthand. Also despite the fact that Halladay wasn’t really himself on Saturday, he was pitching confidently until he gave up Damon’s homer (which barely cleared the wall in right field) in the 7th inning. Then he acted like he didn’t really want to pitch anymore…that he wanted out of the game. This seems to indicate to me that the stadium might have a bigger impact on opposing pitchers/hitters after they’ve actually seen it.
I can foresee opposing pitchers walking more of our batters as they come back to to the stadium the second time and I can foresee opposing batters trying to uppercut the ball to get a cheap home run. I also expect that our pitchers will adjust their styles somewhat to take advantage of the hitters who try too hard to hit homers. This has me really looking forward to the second half of the season as each team comes in for a second time.
~m
Joba was the topic,ooops,did I say that? I heard they had plastic bats in hand!!
I like today’s lineup. It gives much needed rest to Tex and some playing time to Hinske. While not conceding anything. Every game does count. This game is just as important as any other when you are still a game out of first place and 5 teams breathing down your neck for the wild card.
Okay. Dan Patrick’s show is debating what’s more impressive Federer’s 15 or Tiger’s 14 majors?
I think it’s Tiger’s. Because, not only is it him vs. the field. He has to battle the course as well.
Tennis is tough, but you only play one opponent at a time.
Tiger wins.
jpb1973-What’s fascinating is that hittracker says that the ball would have gone out of the old stadium too.
m: But tennis is much harder on the body.
Despite that I don’t think it has an impact on poosing players…
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Should read: Despite that I don’t think it has an impact on opposing players…
m-I agree.
How many dominate tennis players are there? 2 maybe? I have to go with Tiger.
jpb1973-What’s fascinating is that hittracker says that the ball would have gone out of the old stadium too.
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That might be true…but I bet you wouldn’t be able to convince Roy Halladay of that fact.
I’m curious as to how the Yankees are going to handle A-Rod in Minnesota.
If it were up to me, I’d give him one game off, one game at DH, and one game in the field. I don’t want to mess around with his hip on that turf.
jpb1973-Yeah you’re right.
I’M still skeptical of that fact.
In tennis, you play one opponent at a time 7 times in a Grand Slam tournament.
In golf, the field is cut in half at the cut line and you play a course and not an opponent. Unlike Tennis.
You also have to play four different surfaces in tennis. In golf, with the exception of pin placements, the courses are of the same surface.
I think Federer’s streak is far more impressive.
Especially because the time frame to win is more condensed than golf. You can play major tournaments in golf into your 50’s.
By the time you are 30, your best tennis is in the rear view mirror.
A bib and a bottle would go so much better with Halladay’s little hissy fit.
I’m curious as to how the Yankees are going to handle A-Rod in Minnesota.
If it were up to me, I’d give him one game off, one game at DH, and one game in the field. I don’t want to mess around with his hip on that turf.
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Boogie Down Bob,
Great plan…I hope Girardi does what you are suggesting.
Jason Bay’s stats month on month
.324 5 hrs 19 rbis
.264 10 hr 30 rbis
.230 4 hrs 20 rbis
.133 o hrs 1 rbi (only handful of games this month)
One amazing stat to me, he is actually hitting for a much better average on the road.
He also has 80 ks on the season !!! I just was curious and looked BJ Upton has 89 ks and Salty on the Rangers 81.
Upton and the starting pitching is the huge difference for the Rays this year. Upton got hot and they put together a good string, but 89 ks from your leadoff guy who missed the beginning of the season is not good.
Against the Yanks though .448 3 hrs 12 rbis
He’s reverting back to the good, but not great player that played for the Pirates.
Funny note-
I just realized its July and I flipped my Yankee calendar at work. July is Hideki Matsui month. Which is appropriate because he has been hot since the calendar flipped.
However, it lists him as “Left Fielder”. Hahahaha
Rebecca,
Believe it or not, golf requires more skill.
Let’s put it this way, I was a tennis player.
So, yes Federer has more skill, but Tiger’s opponents had just a much chance as he did.
Tennis plays one opponent at a time, while Tiger has at least 140 on the first two days.
So from a probability standpoint, I think Tiger’s is more impressive. Based on the odds alone.
john
July 6th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Jason Bay’s stats month on month
.324 5 hrs 19 rbis
.264 10 hr 30 rbis
.230 4 hrs 20 rbis
.133 o hrs 1 rbi (only handful of games this month)
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My father is taking all of the credit for this. Last week he traded for Bay on his fantasy team. The guy has gone like, 1 for 20 since with no RBI
I loved Verducci claiming Tex didn’t belong on the All Star team, but Branyan did. They love to hammer the Yankees regardless.
After the start Ian Kinsler had it’s amazing he may not make it.
I got two words for Wakefield. Aaron Boone.
Both feats are certainly great, but Federer has shown a level of consistency unmatched in the annals of history. The number of Grand Slam semifinals he has reached in a row is something that might never be matched again in our lifetime.
In a sport where so many players are up and down (see Williams sisters, Andy Roddick), Federer is the model of consistency. So many factors can contribute to an upset or a decline in skills in tennis, like your opponent playing the match of his life (Robin Soderling versus Nadal for example in the French) and injuries (again, Nadal’s knees).
Federer is hands down the most consistent athlete in terms of success in the world today.
Erica, nice, tell him to keep up the good work.
Bay is a bit of a strange player. He seems to be like Cano, depending on what you need from him he struggles in spots. He is a perfect #5 hitter, but batting 3rd and 4th seems to not suit him as well. I will be fine with him looking like he did on the Pirates rather than looking like a perfect replacement for Manny like he was to start the year.
Agusta and Peeble beach the same course,no way.The golf courses in Scotland(birth place of golf) the same,HARDLY TRUE.
DB-Tim Wakefield as an all star is a joke and an insult to Mike Mussina.
john-Actually, Tex deserved to make it, but not to start. Neither did Youkilis. Morneau has better numbers than both them, and is perhaps a split hair worse than Tex defensively with the same fielding percentage.
both are impressive, but I’m curious who has won more non-major events. I would imagine that title goes to Tiger. Now if you judge based on overall winning percentage it would probably shift back to Federer. If you base it off of personality, or rather, interviewability (yes I’m making up words) than it certainly goes to Tiger.
vb03-I don’t know about that. Tiger could give him a run for his money. And there was a time when Nadal stromed through that he switched rankings from number 1 in the world to number 2.
You put voting into fans hands and its a popularity contest. What had me proud is that we still out did the Red Sox with Tex / Youkalis. Who says no one roots for the Yanks?
i’ll help pete out
BLUE JAYS (42-41)
Marco Scutaro SS
Aaron Hill DH
Vernon Wells CF
Scott Rolen 3B
Alex Rios RF
Kevin Millar 1B
Jose Bautista LF
Rod Barajas C
John McDonald 2B
Pitching: Ricky Romero (6-3, 2.85)
no adam lind =D
I think it’s much harder to win a golf major than a tennis major. We’ve seen time and time in the past that any professional golfer can get hot over a four day stretch and win the tournament, whereas in tennis, while there are upsets, the best players almost inevitably make it deep into the tournament.
Six players in tennis history have won 10+ Major championships. Only three golfers have won more than 10.
SJ,
Good points, but Federer only gets “challenged” in the semis and the finals. In fact, some of his semis are more difficult than the finals. The fact of the matter is that he’s often facing qualifiers in the first two rounds.
No doubt it was impressive. But tennis has a lot of living legends. Borg, Laver, Sampras. Didn’t take long for Sampras’ record to fall either.
If tennis the favored usually wins. But in golf? Not always, that’s why Tiger’s feat is more impressive in my eyes.
I was shocked but pleasantly so when I heard Tex beat out Youk. I didn’t think he’d do it.
What does everyone think about this 6 game road trip coming up?
I feel like these could be some challenging games. Is it reasonable to think we could go 4-2 on the trip, or would 3-3 be more realistic?
Erica, Boston Dave and Steve B., thanks for the input on the Alby / Melancon thing.
Btw, how good is that despite going 0-8 against Boston, we’re still only 1 GB. That’s gotta be frustrating for sawx fans
Tiger’s opponents in tournaments though aren’t all realistic threats.
Gary Player and all the old timers who tee off at the Masters and play two rounds aren’t realistic competitors to Tiger in that major. That’s 20-30 players in the field.
You have less than 30 guys in the British Open and US Open who are realistic competitors to Tiger, given their skill sets.
The PGA is a little more wide open a major but, its still lacking in a full field of competitors against Tiger.
Golfers play a course. They rarely play against each other unless its match play or they are paired in the final pairing of a major.
Tennis is mano a mano and you have to play the surface as well as the opponent in every match.
Much tougher to win tennis majors than golf majors for that reason.
You rarely see fluke winners of tennis majors.
In golf, you get the Zach Johnson’s, Rich Beem’s and Lucus Glover’s to break through to win majors.
That’s equivalent to seeing guys ranked in the 70’s and higher in tennis winning majors. You never see that in the Open Era.
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Good point about Moose…Now we have to live with the “honoree” in the All-Star game when the game counts for something. Who’s to blame when the NL tees off on Wakefield’s “body of work”? Ridiculous.
ugh – not interested in ever seeing Kevin Millar…another “tour of the AL East” member
Bob-This one is hard to predict. We’re facing a couple of good teams but we’re a hot club, so if I had to guess I’d say 4-2, but 3-3 would not surprise or dissapoint me unduly.
Don’t get me wrong, Tiger Woods is one of my favorite athletes, but 21 straight Grand Slam semis? That in my mind is perhaps more impressive than the 15 Grand Slams because it means he never takes a single match for granted. That level of concentration is astounding.
Not to mention seven straight Wimbledon finals.
If you look at the stats Tex DOESN’T belong in the all-star game actually…
If everything were truly fair Tex, Pedroia, Hamilton, Molina and Beltran wouldn’t be voted as starters.
In their place it should probably be Morneau, Kinsler or Hill, Hunter, McCann and Kemp I suppose.
I can’t really blame the fans though, the coaches are even worse at picking all-stars.
Carl July 6th, 2009 at 10:56 am
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....brett.html
Tomko painting Phil Hughes
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That’s cool. Thanks for the link Carl
Boogie Down Bob:
Minnesota is good but not great. Anaheim always gives us fits. I’d take 3-3.
Teix is participating in the HR Derby.
DB-Moose’s numbers were better than Wakefield’s. His last start before the ASG he dominated the Sox right in front of Terry Francona. At the time I thought “Well, he was borderline, I could see him not making it.” But if you let Wakefield in than you’re insulting Moose and proving what a joke some of these selections are.
Wakefield made it out of sentimentality this year, but Mussina didn’t last year?
Mussina had 11 wins and a 3.61 ERA before the ASB last year. Wakefield has 10 wins and a 4.30 ERA.
Coach6423
July 6th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Teix is participating in the HR Derby.
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Where did you hear that – he said he wasn’t yesterday
Coach6423 July 6th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Teix is participating in the HR Derby.
where did ya hear that
Coach6423-No he isn’t.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p;c_id=nyy
Golf is a much more difficult sport to dominate. You can hit the ball perfectly and end up with a terrible shot. Sometimes the best player doesn’t win and sometimes the guy playing the best golf doesn’t win. That never happens in tennis.
Tiger’s dominance is much more impressive than Federer’s.
“I loved Verducci claiming Tex didn’t belong on the All Star team, but Branyan did. They love to hammer the Yankees regardless.”
Verducci knows better. Who makes the team and who doesn’t is a contrived barroom argument he’s only too happy to make. The All Star team is determined by stats, beauty contest factor and market (number of votes in home market). IMO, the game should go back to being the Midsummer Classic and not count for anything except as a showcase. So what if there’s an occasional tie game.
I too was psyched Tex got it. I wasn’t expecting him to get the votes in the end. Because it’s such a popular vote anyway, I was disappointed last year when the Yankees fans didn’t vote Jorge or some of the others on regardless, knowing it was Yankees stadium and the final year. It was great though especially since it’s his first chance to start and amazingly only his second allstar game.
Also can someone explain to me how Tex gets no credit for being in the MVP talk to this point? He started slow, but his offense lifted this team for a while and his defense has saved potentially a few games too.
Not true re: Federer. He doesn’t always face qualifiers in the first two rounds of majors.
The only way he can face a qualifier in the second round of a major is if that qualifier wins his first round match.
Its also not true he’s only challenged in the semi-finals.
He played Tommy Haas in the 4th round of the French this year and was down 2 sets to none before coming back and winning.
Golf has sectional qualifiers for the US Open and you have a lot of guys who are pretty much “qualifiers” in that tournament.
In men’s tennis, its so balanced, there are dangerous guys floating in every draw. For example, nobody wants to Ivo Karolvic on grass because he’s a serving machine and Federer has had to play him 3 times at Wimbledon during this run, all before the semi-finals.
Homer-I know. What an insult to Mike Mussina. Proof that the Sox propoganda machine controls the media.
Before the selections were made I thought Moose was a shoe in.
My bad all, thats what happens when you listen to your 24yr old kid brother. Iddiot.
One big difference — Federer is an ATHLETE and Tiger is a GOLFER.
You can’t compare the accomplishments intelligently. It’s absurd to think Tiger has to play against 140 guys while Federer plays against seven.
Federer has to beat seven straight opponents head to head. Tigers plays against the golf course to see who does best. There’s no defense in golf. The only comparison would be in match play tournmaents where Tiger’s record is less the stellar.
Tigers is on the verge of being the greatest golfer ever, but I bet Federer is a lot closer to shooting par than Tiger is winning a professional tennis match. They just aren’t comparable.
YankeesWFAN: No starter yet for Thur. Joe G said it will NOT be Hughes. Looks to me like Aceves or Sergio Mitre (2-1, 3.26 in 5 GS at AAA).
I agree that Wakefield making it this year is an insult to last year’s Moose. Then again, the AS selections have been a joke for awhile now, especially because of the fanbox stuffing.
Tex said no way to the Derby, is this new or bad info.???
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p;c_id=nyy
DB:
“I got two words for Wakefield. Aaron Boone.”
You forgot his middle name
And yes that would be three words
Even Federer admires Tiger,and has befriended him.
I’ll tell you impressive.When Tiger won Agusta,by the largest margin ever yielded on their course.The club reconfigured the holes,by adding more length. All because of Tiger’s win!!
Fuzzy Zoeller (A pro Golfer,)made a racist comment about Tiger and lost his sponsors,because of it.
I knew Tex would get in. Because Yuck was leading on the last day, so Yankee fans gave the final push. 40,000 votes? Well, Boston had an off day on the last day of voting. Sounds like those people who paid ridiculous prices wanted to see pinstripes at 1B!
Too early for mvp talk. Even for the Sox, who’s their best player? No one standing out.
Murphydog.
I agree. IMO the overall record in interleague play AL vs NL should determine home field advantage for the WS.
-dennis
Moose should have made it, but I can’t argue with Wakefield making it. He has the wins and is having a good year. I don’t like the Sox, but I think it is always good to acknowledge these guys at some points for the careers they have had when they are still producing. He is one of the key parts to the Sox being good as he has always been a stable contributor to that staff. They will miss him a ton when he goes. Having said all that though, Moose and others not making it in the past for the same reasons is a joke.
A 4.30 ERA is perhaps a hair better than mediocre. Wakefield didn’t deserve it.
No offense dennis.
SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Tiger’s opponents in tournaments though aren’t all realistic threats.
Gary Player and all the old timers who tee off at the Masters and play two rounds aren’t realistic competitors to Tiger in that major. That’s 20-30 players in the field.
You have less than 30 guys in the British Open and US Open who are realistic competitors to Tiger, given their skill sets.
The PGA is a little more wide open a major but, its still lacking in a full field of competitors against Tiger.
Golfers play a course. They rarely play against each other unless its match play or they are paired in the final pairing of a major.
Tennis is mano a mano and you have to play the surface as well as the opponent in every match.
Much tougher to win tennis majors than golf majors for that reason.
You rarely see fluke winners of tennis majors.
In golf, you get the Zach Johnson’s, Rich Beem’s and Lucus Glover’s to break through to win majors.
That’s equivalent to seeing guys ranked in the 70’s and higher in tennis winning majors. You never see that in the Open Era.
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That is why Tiger’s feat is more impressive, you can be the best golfer and if you win one Major a year its considered a big accomplishment. Like one guy said before there are about 10 Tennis players with 10 or more majors and only 3 golfers with 10 or more that stat alone tells you it is a much harder feat to win Golf majors than Tennis majors. Therefor Tigger’s 14 majors is more impressive than Fed’s 15
No one standing out for the Sox? Bay has slid for sure, but overall he is their MVP easy. Papi is not Papi no more regardless of a little streak. Youk was out and having his prototypical first half stats. Dustin has not played up to what he did last year. Bay has easily been the MVP for that team.
“DB-Tim Wakefield as an all star is a joke and an insult to Mike Mussina.”
Blame Joe Torre. He’s the guy who started the trend of using the ASG as a way to blow kisses at non-allstars like Stanton and Nelson.
“SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Not true re: Federer. He doesn’t always face qualifiers in the first two rounds of majors.
The only way he can face a qualifier in the second round of a major is if that qualifier wins his first round match.
Its also not true he’s only challenged in the semi-finals.
He played Tommy Haas in the 4th round of the French this year and was down 2 sets to none before coming back and winning.
Golf has sectional qualifiers for the US Open and you have a lot of guys who are pretty much “qualifiers” in that tournament.
In men’s tennis, its so balanced, there are dangerous guys floating in every draw. For example, nobody wants to Ivo Karolvic on grass because he’s a serving machine and Federer has had to play him 3 times at Wimbledon during this run, all before the semi-finals.”
I look at Federer’s accomplishments as compared to his peers and that’s when I’m really blown away. The Williams sisters, who are the best on their side, and the world #2 Rafael Nadal don’t even come close to the consistency that Federer has shown in the past 6 years or so.
Not to discredit Tiger in any way, but even Tiger struggles in certain tournaments, finishing T-25, or T-10, or that kind of thing. I never see Federer being less than the 2nd best at any tournament – and that’s only at the French because of Nadal.
Wakefield in the all-star game is the funniest thing since Varitek made it. Oh wait that was just last year. AL coaches, what the hell are you thinking?
Patrick
July 6th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Wakefield in the all-star game is the funniest thing since Varitek made it. Oh wait that was just last year. AL coaches, what the hell are you thinking?
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The funy part is all of the Yahoo guys are applauding this move like it was genius
vb03-Didn’t Nadal beat Federer in Wimbledon once?
How is it more impressive when most of the guys in the field have no chance of beating you? Especially when Tiger can play majors into his 50’s and Federer cannot?
One guy is an athlete, with a limited window to achieve his trophies and the other guy is a golfer who can play into his 60’s, if you count the Senior Tour.
Big difference.
Patrick-Seriously, I don’t even remember that. Varitek made it?
SJ,
Again, good points. But with all the factors and obstacles involved, Tiger’s is more impressive imo. On any given tourney, a Boo Weekly or a Rich Beam can go on a run.
In tennis, the favored usually wins. In golf, that’s not always the case.
I just think that Tigers’ achievements are more improbable.
They had a team meeting after winning 10 of 11?
Mitre is scheduled to pitch tomorrow in AAA. So we’ll know soon enough. If they hold him out tomorrow that will solve the mystery. Josh Towers is supposed to pitch Thursday in AAA.
SJ44-It’s not that most players CAN’T beat you. It’s that any player, on any day, can. Like Lucas Glover.
Also, perhaps the fact that the field is so far behind Tiger speaks more of Tiger than of the field.
Bay has easily been the MVP for that team.”
Beckett is 7-1 with a 1.74 after losses. That series they lost to Seattle was the 1st they’d lost in a month. I don’t think they’ve been swept in a series all year. Lot of value in a guy who doesn’t allow for prolonged losing streaks.
“Fuzzy Zoeller (A pro Golfer,)made a racist comment about Tiger and lost his sponsors,because of it.”
Zoeller made a remark about not serving fried chicken and collard greens. Dumb and insensitive for sure. Perhaps irrelevant more than racist.
http://www.salon.com/april97/tiger970430.html
I think Wake gets it because Maddon is truly a class guy and even if the numbers might be close to many others, Maddon gave him the nod because he wants to acknowledge the career. I respect that. Too bad francona didn’t do the same with Moose.
Maybe the meeting was another Kangaroo Court.
Wait till-
No offense taken. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That is why for the most part this site excellent.
-dennis
Erica – newly OPPC
July 6th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Maybe they are meeting for 10 minutes to do group hugs
____________________________________________________________I’d pay a ridiculous amount of money to get in on that hug
Side note, I am pretty bummed its a day game today. The past 3 mondays have been so boring with the off days, and now again when I come home from work there will be no baseball to watch. I guess I’ll have to something productive like clean or go to the gym?
Well Tiger hasn’t played into his 50’s or 60’s. He’s accomplished all of those wins in a relatively short period of time. As has Federer.
Golf is just a more difficult game to master and it’s a lot harder to dominate the competition due to the difficulty and luck involved.
He beat Federer in the Wimbledon final last year and Federer beat him in the Wimbledon final the year before.
The more incredible feat than winning 15 majors, which is amazing onto itself, is making 21 straight Grand Slam Semi-Finals.
That means, Tiger would have to finish 4th or higher in 21 straight Grand Slams to match that feat.
The 21 straight semis in slams is one of the most amazing individual records in sports.
You not only have to perform, you have to stay healthy enough to play every single year.
An amazing record that gets lost in all the 15 majors talk.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
vb03-Didn’t Nadal beat Federer in Wimbledon once?
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Last year, in an epic final. Nadal is the only man that stopped Federer from rampaging through all the majors, and who knows if his knees will ever be the same. Another testament to Federer’s conditioning and longevity. If Nadal can’t regain old form, Federer might have more than 20 Grand Slams before all is said and done, because no one would be a major threat to him.
Murphydog,
I may just purchase that Phil Hughes painting in case he has a HOF career. It’ll be worth millions
“Seriously, I don’t even remember that. Varitek made it? ”
Yeah he made it last year after hitting about .200
Pretty absurd.
The problem with Wakefield getting a career All Star nod is that his career has been nothing but average. The only impressive thing about him is that he’s lasted a long time. Are we now giving All Star nods to people that are just good enough to stick around for 15 years? So silly.
One big difference — Federer is an ATHLETE and Tiger is a GOLFER.
You can’t compare the accomplishments intelligently. It’s absurd to think Tiger has to play against 140 guys while Federer plays against seven.
Federer has to beat seven straight opponents head to head. Tigers plays against the golf course to see who does best. There’s no defense in golf. The only comparison would be in match play tournmaents where Tiger’s record is less the stellar.
Tigers is on the verge of being the greatest golfer ever, but I bet Federer is a lot closer to shooting par than Tiger is winning a professional tennis match. They just aren’t comparable.
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I agree that Tennis is a far more athletic sport then Tennis but Just because tennis is no as athletic as other sports doesn’t mean its no a highly difficult skill. I judge the difficulty of a a sport/skill on how many individuals can do it on a high level, and what the rates of accomplishments for that sport/skills are. That is why I think Golf and Baseball are the two of the hardest skills to master. Golf many don’t consider a sport and Baseball is not as athletic other sports but both are highly difficult.
NYY626-
I would love to get in on the group hug too. LOL
I use off days to get caught up on TV viewing from the rest of the week. The gym would be a wonderful idea, but I am not that productive. I would rather hit the gym than clean.
You can always come on here later and recap the game all night
“In tennis, the favored usually wins. In golf, that’s not always the case.”
Doesn’t that speak to the dominance of the favorite? Perhaps a better way of looking at it is Tiger sometimes isn’t good enough to win.
Also, no mulligans in tennis. Tiger shoots a 74 on Thursday, he can still bounce back over the weekend. You have a bad day in tennis and it’s all over.
All this tennis talk seriously makes me want to shoot myself in the face
Golf is not a difficult sport to master. Federer has a 3 handicap. Jim Courier and Pete Sampras are scratch golfers.
Not a lot of golfers are that accomplished in tennis as those guys are in golf for example.
Both sports are tough. However, when you have an opponent hitting 130 MPH+ serves at you to start points, its a little tougher than figuring out how to attack a pin placement on a given hole.
Really a testament to how good the Yanks have been playing. The Red Sox have one 7 of 8 series and lost 4 games in the standings to the Yanks. That is very rare.
-dennis
“I look at Federer’s accomplishments as compared to his peers and that’s when I’m really blown away. The Williams sisters, who are the best on their side, and the world #2 Rafael Nadal don’t even come close to the consistency that Federer has shown in the past 6 years or so.
Not to discredit Tiger in any way, but even Tiger struggles in certain tournaments, finishing T-25, or T-10, or that kind of thing. I never see Federer being less than the 2nd best at any tournament – and that’s only at the French because of Nadal.”
That’s because it’s tougher to dominate golf than tennis. Literally anyone in a golf tournament can get hot and win the event. Not so much in tennis. We already know that barring injury, the Finals of any tournament is widely expected to be Nadal vs. Federer. In Golf, a guy who won only one other PGA tour event won the US Open (Lucas Golover).
As far as the “Federer is an athlete, Tiger is a golfer” comment, anyone who’s seen Tiger up close knows that he’s a terrific athlete.
raymagnetic:
Tell you what… buy it. If Torre makes it into the Hall before Phil, and he should, just tell people it’s Torre drinking green tea
the all star game has been a joke for 20 years or more.
josh hamilton is starting in the all star game!!!!!
einsteins look at his numbers…
hinske is egoless because he should be he makes $800k and is a backup, also the millionaires should be egoless also but that is another story.
there are no complaints of the lineup untill swisher strikes out looking in the first inning.
joba is so insightful he may want to write a column to educate us on baseball or just become a color commentator. you will hear alot of tip your cap, tommorrow is another day, and you need to keep on battling.. if he was just struggling that would be bad enough but he is struggling and in denial………………
CountryClub
July 6th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
The problem with Wakefield getting a career All Star nod is that his career has been nothing but average. The only impressive thing about him is that he’s lasted a long time. Are we now giving All Star nods to people that are just good enough to stick around for 15 years? So silly.
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I think Wakefield’s all star nod, is more of a career nod. But you are absolutely right. If you have a long enough career, eventually you will compile impressive numbers. Its easier to get a large amout of wins when you pitch for 20 years
There are exactly 28 AL starters with a lower ERA than Wakefield’s 4.30.
Gammons just called Yusssses the Mariano Rivera 96′ version. Said he spoke to other team scouts, the Yankees had holes in the beginning of the season but now w/ Aceves to Bruney to Yussssse to Mo (game over) they are very tough to beat.
YES Subway interview with Kim Jones and Eric Hinske:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/623053866de8cb0e/
If a guy comes out of nowhere to win a golf tournament, isn’t that an indictment of Tiger’s inability to beat a longshot at a given tournament, rather than a testament to how “tough” golf is?
If you are at that elite level, as guys like Tiger and Federer are, you can’t have longshots beat you. I would think that cuts into your “eliteness”, if you will.
“Golf is not a difficult sport to master. Federer has a 3 handicap. Jim Courier and Pete Sampras are scratch golfers.
Not a lot of golfers are that accomplished in tennis as those guys are in golf for example.”
I agree that Tennis is more of a “sport”, but winning 14 majors in Golf is much tougher than winning 14-15 in Tennis and therefore more impressive.
SJ-There I totally disagree. Golf is an insanely difficult sport to master. The details and intricacies of the game make it extraordinarily tough to be consistent, which makes Tiger’s feat extremely impressive.
~Mark Can’t touch this
Simply THANK YOU for the truth on Golf!
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Tiger raised the standard for golf,and the players.So many that were considered great,were brought down by his great game play.Look how long it took Mickelson to get his first major,and so many others too.
Some know the truth and some don’t.
“If Nadal can’t regain old form, Federer might have more than 20 Grand Slams before all is said and done, because no one would be a major threat to him.”
Which is what hurts Federer in my opinion. While it’s true you can only play who’s available to play you he hasn’t had to play anybody at all.
There’s Federer, then Nadal and then everyone else.
SJ44-IMO it’s more a testament to how tough golf is.
He beat Federer in the Wimbledon final last year and Federer beat him in the Wimbledon final the year before.
The more incredible feat than winning 15 majors, which is amazing onto itself, is making 21 straight Grand Slam Semi-Finals.
That means, Tiger would have to finish 4th or higher in 21 straight Grand Slams to match that feat.
The 21 straight semis in slams is one of the most amazing individual records in sports.
You not only have to perform, you have to stay healthy enough to play every single year.
An amazing record that gets lost in all the 15 majors talk.
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In Golf the best player has less chance to win. If federer didn’t finish close to first in all the majors he played in he would be considered as the best tennis player. In tennis is you are the best you should win. In Golf it’s a crap shoot 75% of the time no mater how much better you are than everybody else.
Golf is not a difficult sport to master…lmao!
He sounded worried, even believes Joba is going through growing process of the majors, he expects him to be fine come 2nd half. The Yankees are 1 back behind Boston, they played Boston 8 times and are 0-8, for them to be 1 gm behind speaks volumes of the managing Joe Girardi is doing there.
Thanks Pel!
The Yankees can distance themselves from the Red Sox & TB by getting a lock down 8th inning RP, something they really need when they play those two H/H
“Really a testament to how good the Yanks have been playing. The Red Sox have one 7 of 8 series and lost 4 games in the standings to the Yanks. That is very rare.”
Actually they gained one. When the 1st of the 8 series started, they were tied with the Yankees.
And the fact that Tiger won his last us open on a bum knee an broken tibia is the clincher!
Looks like Andy’s hip is bothering him (Roddick, not Pettitte!). It was sad to see him so close to winning, especially after that nasty slide. Glad to see him back to form. Hard to believe 6 years have passed since he won the us open.
Honestly quoting someone’s handicap and trying to compare that to Tiger is absurd. Having a single digit handicap is excellent but it’s nowhere near a professional golfer. Playing from the tips in tournament conditions is so different from a regular game of golf it’s not even worth comparison.
Dominating the world of golf is more difficult than dominating the world of tennis. Look at the best golfers in history and the best tennis players in history. The best tennis players will always have a higher win %.
Brandon-
Remember 2006, the Yankees were breathing on Boston all season. Then came the great weekend in August the Yanks went 5-0 in Fenway and never looked back in the standings. I predict a similar scenario this season
Frank Torre was just on WFAN – a terrific listen if you’re into baseball history. I’m sure the interview will be posted up on the website later. Joe is coming up next – not sure that I will tune in.
Verducci actually wrote that Tex didn’t belong? LOL I will say, though, that Tex’ year has been basically a very hot streak sandwiched between a horrible month and a half and a mediocre/poor few weeks.
Burnett deserved to go over Wakefield…..
Golf is a much harder sport than Tennis to master and I think Tiger’s accomplishments are greater than Federers. In the men’s game (though much less so than in the women’s), there just aren’t all that many real opponents you have to beat. Except for the top few players, most of the others just are not good enough to beat the best. In golf, you are facing off against the golf course, not the other players.
“How about Kei Igawa? Thanks, I’ll be here all week. Tip your waitresses. Try the veal.”
Good one Pete.
gammons has been on the wakefiled love wagon for weeks..
gammons is a fool, he thinks wins are more accurate indicator of good pitching then era, whip, etc…
he has a new wakefield folklore tale about game 3 in the 2004 playoffs or so on how wakefield saved the team…
gammons I get it Wakefield is a nivce guy and plays for your beloved sux, there are also other nice guys out there. being a nice guy is not a stat that gets you into the all star game….
the sux have 6 guys in the game the yanks have 3, it means nothing. the yanks are 1 game behind the all mighty sux…………
Steve B.
You are correct. I should not have gone back that far. My point was/is that the Sox have not played poorly and lost 4 games in the standings quickly. Please excuse my error.
-dennis
The Yanks will never call up Kei Igawa. They don’t want to mess up all of the records he is setting in SWB
The younger folks may not remember it, but the All-Star game actually was a happening event back in the day before Selig ruined it.
Now, it is a joke, but it wasn’t always like that.
~Murphydog that is the racist comment I’m talking about.Typical southern bigotry.I just didn’t spell it out to dignify the statement.
Are the scouts talking about this year only ? What about next? These same scouts gave up on Phil, called him at best a #3 or #4 starter. I’m more interested to see what they think of his potential as a starter, although I’m not even that interested anymore.
Golfers are athletes although many pros aren’t that athletic.
Not saying golf is easy but you could probably smoke and do it.
betsy-A very hot streak followed by a streak that I think was not INSANE but pretty good. Before that he was awful.
the all star game was big news in the 70’s before interleague play…….
“Then came the great weekend in August the Yanks went 5-0 in Fenway and never looked back in the standings”
Ahh the Boston massacre. That was nice. Too bad its in reverse this year
Look at it this way, the Red Sox paid over $100 million in total to get Dice K and he finally had his luck run out and having that whip near 2.00 bounced him from the rotation with that “injury”….At least with Kei Igawa the Yankees have one of the best starters in AAA! Looks like it wasn’t that bad of an investment, huh?
Golf is not a difficult sport to master…lmao!
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At a high level it is, just because someone can hit a golf ball doesn’t mean you have master golf. I can go out and hit a tennis ball, and hit a baseball but baseball players have more skills in there left pinky than me, and tiger woods has more skills in his pinky toe than i do.
In golf you are playing the course – in tennis you play the opponent. So it stands to reason that the best tennis players win a higher proportion of their matches than a golfer. You can’t backdoor that into saying Tiger is more impressive than Federer because Federer wins a higher % of matches.
The Yankees may not be the best team in baseball, but they’re currently playing better baseball than Boston & the Dodgers.
Without verifying, I think we’re playing .900 ball? And the other two teams are playing close to .500 ball?
Remember 2006, the Yankees were breathing on Boston all season. Then came the great weekend in August the Yanks went 5-0 in Fenway and never looked back in the standings. I predict a similar scenario this season
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I still remember that weekend. Those were some fun games.
NYY626-
It will happen again this season, you’ll see in August. We are playing them August 6-9 (4 games), its going to be wonderful.
I remember in 2006, those 5 games in 4 days were so intense that i was exhausted after. You would have thought I played in the games
They have to eventually move Kei somewhere. He will never play here and will be using up a starting pitching slot at AAA instead of one of the younger guys. Come on, the Pirates have Ohlendorff, Karstens, Jackson, don’t they need a lefty for some bullpen help for us? Ok, you twisted our arm, we will add in Eric Duncan. So sad, at one point I liked the kid’s swing too.
Millwood has a 2.80 ERA
Blackburn has a 2.92 ERA
Braden has a 3.13 ERA
Washburn has a 3.36 ERA
Lee has a 3.45 ERA
Shields has a 3.50 ERA
But yeah, Wakefield totally deserves the spot. I’m not even saying a Yankee deserves to go, but the guys above do.
Was this the first weekend series that all the games were on YES? No My9, no ESPN and no Fox? Or am I totally losing my mind?
I don’t really have a problem with using the ASG as a chance to grant certain guys like Wakefield a lifetime achievement award, especially those who have never been in one. It’s supposed to be an event for fun.
What I do have a problem with is awarding the winning league with homefield advantage in the WS. IMHO a much better alternative would be to base homefield advantage on which league did better in interleague each year.
I think we’re underselling the Sox. The 04′ team was a very good team that got hot at the right time. This Sox team is better than that one. No way we win five in a row vs. them IMO.
Personally I could care less if they win the division as long as they make the playoffs.
Verducci leave Texiera alone the fans have spoken!
If Mo is disrespected to favor Papelbon as the closer,it will not bode well for the mgr of the AL All Stars.
Boston Massacre, compliments of the New York Yankees stunning five game sweep over the
Red Sox that took place during the span of August 18th through the 21st 1978 Twenty eight years ago
Was there for two of those games
SI_JonHeyman:
replacing a legend today … for a few hours anyway. i’m co-hosting with adam the bull for mike francesa on wfan 2-6:30
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What will we do withouth our Francesa updates all day?
True Millwood has been a huge factor for the Rangers to even be in the race this year. The rest of their rotation is all youngsters for the most part, but he has been great in a hitters ballpark.
they I mean the Yankees of course.
Girardi seems like such a numbers guy, yet he sits most of his lefties even though Romero is much more effective vs. righties (.666 OPS) than lefties (.858 OPS).
Boston Massacre, compliments of the New York Yankees stunning five game sweep over the
Red Sox that took place during the span of August 18th through the 21st 1978 31 years ago
Was there for two of those games
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
The 04 team was way better than the team now.
UPDATE, 12:12 p.m
Ba dum bump, tshh!
YankeesWFAN: Lefties are batting .308 against Tor starter LH Ricky Romero. Yanks hitting AL high .295 vs LHP. Have never faced Romero.
Anyone know what Joba said after yesterday’s latest debacle?
(Did he say that the organization made a mistake and should have put him in the pen instead of Hughes?)
I don’t think we have to worry about Papelbon closing the game over Rivera. Mo might be the most respected player in the game right now. Just look at the league-wide reaction when he reached 500 saves. Everyone talks about him like they talk about Koufax or Gibson, and he’s still playing!
joeman-Wasn’t the original massacre a four game sweep…with the Yankees four games back?
Girardi seems like such a numbers guy, yet he has taken out all his lefty hitters vs. the lefty romero even though romero is much less effective vs lefties (.858 OPS) than righties (.666).
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p;c_id=mlb
2006 version of the Boston Massacre.
What about Josh Towers to pitch? And really why not let Phil?
I’m not that upset over Wake getting the spot. No he didn’t deserve but its the all star game. I know MLB says is counts but not really. The guy will never get the chance to make it to another one. He is like 100 and has pitch for like 50 years lol. I don’t mind it.
The highlights still work
WTTCTOHA-
Actually, I have been arguing with a friend all morning just how good the 2004 Sox actually were. I initially said, they were the worst team ever to win the series (maybe, I am biased and sour).
After looking at numbers, the 2004 Sox lead baseball in runs scored and batting average. They were 3rd in the AL in ERA. Not sure what the stats are now for 2009, but something tells me in 2004 they ranked higher.
That being said- I still think the 2004 Sox just got hot at exactly the right time due to a freak change in momentum
“The 04 team was way better than the team now”
Current Boston edition has much better pitching and defense than it’s ‘04 counterpart. Probably not as good with the bats though.
Carl-I disagree. They just got hot at the right time.
Any team can go the WS in today’s playoffs, you just gotta get hot.
YES pre-game Kim Jones report:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/62306125c966fb36/
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
The 04 team was way better than the team now.
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Yes Remember our great pitching LMAO
Erica-Yes, but they didn’t win as many games as we did, did they?
They just got hot.
How about Kei Igawa? Thanks, I’ll be here all week. Tip your waitresses. Try the veal.”
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Mark-He meant the Sox.
WTTCTOHA-
I agree that once you earn the right to play October baseball you have the same 1/8 chance of winning the Series as everyone else. But they had some good stats in 2004
Can we talk about the game, 2004 will make me cry. I still have nightmares
Erica
It will happen again this season, you’ll see in August. We are playing them August 6-9 (4 games), its going to be wonderful.
I remember in 2006, those 5 games in 4 days were so intense that i was exhausted after. You would have thought I played in the games
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I hear ya. That series was unreal! I hope you are right Erica about us winning in August! Some of my friends from Boston are dying to see the new stadium. Usually, I love the rivalry. I think i’m getting too serious about it in my “old age” though. I couldn’t handle the “friendly” texts back and forth during the June games. I lied and told my friends I wasn’t home and wasn’t watching that last game when CC pitched lol.
Seriously, I dont think I can take another yankee-boston ALCS if it comes down to it. I’m still worn out from 03 and 04
A Boston-NY ALCS would just be a tremendous pressure cooker for both sides.
Bronx Jeers, you must be young…thats the line stand up comedians used to use, along with the drum roll punch line. old school stuff. I’m sure some of the older guys can give you more details.
The Mets could get into the playoffs and win the world series
I doubt it will be Boston and NY in the ALCS
NYY626-
I have totally pretended not to be home in an effort to dodge Yankee haters. LOL
NY Cat-Yes, they can. The Colorado Rockies made it to the show. I mean, come on.
It’s not just interleague play that has dimmed the appeal of the All-Star game. It is ESPN, Fox and RSNs everywhere. There is just more overall exposure to the game in general. You get to see all the teams play at some time during the season.
The All-Star game used to be the only time you could see the stars from the “other league” play.
Might as well make it a popularity contest, because otherwise, I think it would be hard to muster much interest in the game at all.
And making it count for something is an incentive for the players themselves to show up. they certainly don’t need any money and it’s awfully tempting to have that time off.
Carl-Really? Sounds like the most likely scenario to me. Who do you think is making it in?
NY Cat
July 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
The Mets could get into the playoffs and win the world series
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And monkies can fly out of my rear.
The only thing going for the Mets right now is that their division is also playing lousy. If they can manage to get healthy or get help, that will be a different story. But things are gross for the Mets right now. I don’t even feel good ragging on Mets fans anymore
When did the playoffs become a crap shoot? There use to be a time when the best team won a majority of the time.
What’s really impressive about the Yankees is their come from behind wins.That kind of grit helps in the playoffs and the WS.Yesterday’s game seemed out of reach(a win) yet the players dug deep to turn it around.
I really think we could give “the last shot” on Igawa, the yankees spent a lot on him, maybe now it’s the time for him to worth it, I meant only 1 game woudn’t hurt us that much.
I vote Igawa for this spot and I bet he will bring us a 3M dollars win.
The only way I see the Yankees calling up Igawa is to justify why he belongs in the minors when he gets tagged by major league lineups.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Carl-Really? Sounds like the most likely scenario to me. Who do you think is making it in?
I don’t know who is making it, but I think 1 gets in and 1 gets left out.
Not going to score many, if any, runs with this terrible lineup today. Andy has to pitch a shutout for us to have a chance
Thar was the “Son of the Massacre”
The original was in 78′
I’m happy for Wakefield. He’ll pitch an inning. I’ll bet you he’ll do good too. After seeing All Star heat for a few innings those NL batters are going to screw themselves right into the ground.
Remember when Igawa wore his sunglasses inside the dome ballparks? while pitching! the guy was a horrid pitcher but he was very entertaining
Why did Tomko paint a picture of Joe Torre?
Not going to score many, if any, runs with this terrible lineup today. Andy has to pitch a shutout for us to have a chance
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I know a line up with Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, Possada, Cano is terrrrrrrrrrible
“When did the playoffs become a crap shoot? There use to be a time when the best team won a majority of the time.”
Best team didn’t win several times over the past 25 years or so. Sometimes it’s about catching lightning in a bottle. 1985, 1987, 1988, 1990, 1991, 1995, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008. Not sure the best team won in 2002 or 2004 either.
Steve B-We were the best team in 04′.
This lineup is sooooo bad! Hinske = whole lineup bad
There are roughly 20-25 MLB teams that would kill to have this Yankee lineup today.
-dennis
“What’s really impressive about the Yankees is their come from behind wins.That kind of grit helps in the playoffs and the WS”
What helps in the playoffs and WS is not falling behind.
Starting pitchas help also
What helps in the playoffs and WS is not “not falling behind” or “coming from behind”. What helps is actually winning the games, however it happens. Who cares how they win them?
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ork_y.html
Video of Tomko Painting
Carl
I hope you’re right about only one of the 2 making it in (and obviously i hope its the yankees). I was so mentally exhausted from 2003 and so excited that NY won, I wasn’t even that upset after we lost the World Series ( meanwhile, in 2001, the tears were flowing). All the Boston fans were taunting me at school after we lost the series, and my attitude was “haha i dont care we beat YOU”. Thats a bad attitude to have. Beating Boston should not be the end goal….
Thankfully, now that I’m back living in NY, I have regained some of my sanity
Yes Starting Pitching, timely hitting, being hot and luck= WS
A series with Boston would just be ultimate pressure.
“Steve B-We were the best team in 04?”
I don’t know. By the time the Yankees hit the playoffs Jon Lieber was their #2 starter. I think the Cardinals were actually the best team, but just got caught up in a wave of momentum.
Lets think about making the playoffs first
Mark-Yes, definitely.
I agree with Steve, our 2004 team was short on starting pitching by the time the playoffs came around.
“The 04 team was way better than the team now”
The Yankees 04′ team ? uhh no I don’t think so. I think this 09′ is better pitching, defensively and in offense.
The 04′ Red Sox SP was better than this version, but the 04′ RS BP and defense this yr is better than it’s 04′ counterpart.
DB
July 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Bronx Jeers, you must be young…thats the line stand up comedians used to use, along with the drum roll punch line. old school stuff. I’m sure some of the older guys can give you more details.
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Thanks DB,
Never heard of it. I’m not really that young either.
You learn something new every day.
Yes but when we were up 3 games to none who here didn’t think we were the best team in baseball?
Ok no more past baseball talk! Lets go Yankees!
Brandon-I think he was referring to the Red Sox.
Is anyone else loving all these day games? I know for me, as a college student, it’s awesome to watch the game when i wake up and not have it interfere with my nights out.
They should give Nova the start, if not to only raise his trade stock. The kid is better than Tyler Clippard or Chase Wright one good start have scouts take a closer looksy and deal him while his stock possibly raises.
Yes no 2004 talk! ive been working hard to bury those memories
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
Yeah I was talking about the Red Sox. Sorry for not being clear.
Carl-Okay, I thought so.
Hinske baby!
Best part of the day so far? No red hats.
“Yes but when we were up 3 games to none who here didn’t think we were the best team in baseball?”
The BP was spent by that time. Joe Torre during the season to keep us in the race burned out the BP, by the time they got to the postseason it was too late. Those games strained them out. That’s one thing GI Joe does not do, he doesn’t strain out the arms, he keeps them fresh, hence why if they get in, anything can happen and this team can get to the WS.
I don’t disagree with the merits of resting Damon.
I am surprised, however, that Girardi chose to rest Matsui and to DH Teixeira, today, on grass, instead of tomorrow, on turf.
First of all, Matsui’s bat is scalding at the moment, 8 for 17 on this homestand.
Second, three consecutive games on turf is going to consign Suey to bench at least one game because A-Rod can’t play all three at 3B.
Third, after Girdadi complained that 9 consecutive NL games prevented him from giving Matsui at-bats, the manager nonetheless has turned around and benched him TWICE in five games. What kind of logic is that?
Girardi benched Suey on July 1st against Seattle and now again, today.
Man, for 2010, I hope the Yankees either find themselves a power-hitting corner outfielder and decide to rotate Posada, A-Rod, Jeter, etc through the DH job.
Or, alternatively, the Yankees acquire themselves a DH healthy and spry to hit every day and to play the occasional game in the field. Suey’s knees really hamstrings the team.
(Or more accurately, perhaps, Suey’s handicap “knees” the team where it counts.)
Hinske oh my!!!!
And it wasn’t only the BP the players were spent too.
Who said Hinske can’t play RF.
HINSKE!
HINSKE!!! i love that guy already
Hinske!
Hinske already off to a good start.
Me like Hinske.
Way to make a Yankee debut! Go Eric Hinske
Welcome to the Bronx Mr. Hinske.
very nice start for the Yankees and Andy
Igawa Power!
What should be Hinske’s nick name?
Nice play by Hinske…I could get used to that once a week
Hinkse just answered the questions about whether he can play right field, nice catch…
Oh Andy,a 6 pitch first inning.
So Hinske is already better than Swish in RF…haha
I’ve got a fever and the only cure is MORE HINSKE!
Best part of the day so far? No red hats.
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Brandon-All good points, but that doesn’t really answer the question. Did you think we were the best team in baseball?
Nice inning for Andy.
Romero is about to get rocked!
hinske= the hin-dog!
Calling it now: Perfect game, Andy Pettite.
And if the perfect game is crushed I’m calling the no hitter until of course that’s broken.
And if that’s broken-Well,I can’t be right all the time.
Romero is due for a bad outing. And the Yankees are 16-8 against lefties this year.
good job jete!
Romero has a changeup very reminiscent of Johan Santana’s. The Yankees should treat him just the same and put up 9 runs against him…
“Alby is only going to be on the roster until Thursday when they probably call up Mitre to start. But they depleted the bullpen pretty well after the extra innings win, so I think Alby is just a temporary reinforcement.”
It is possible they send Robertson down instead of Alby.
I’ve never seen Romero pitch before but he doesn’t look very sharp today. And lefties hit over .300 against him and righties about .200, maybe that’s why there are more lefties in the lineup against him.
i thought that looked like a balk
He looks nervous
jeter? why would you do that
What was Jeter thinking there? That was a silly play. Even though he was safe, that’s a risk you don’t take this early in the game.
Wow Joe G gone already lol
Stupid umps.
maybe he was safe but thats a terrible idea! 0 outs!
“Brandon-All good points, but that doesn’t really answer the question. Did you think we were the best team in baseball?”
I was too much of a homer back then to really look at it realistically, now that I look back, offensively we were the better team, the fatigue of the season + the pressure just hit the team at the wrong time. I think when Gordon threw that meatball he was tired out, he wouldn’t admit it but who does, and when Papi won it, you ever was ready to go somewhere and then got delayed ? it’s not a good feeling, the whole team thought it was champaigne night, and when it wasn’t it just knocked thier life out.
GET’EM JETES !
GO GI JOE !
He’s safe, but that was a bad play by Jeter.
Wow.
Horrible call.
You know Jeter never argues. Never. Great slide by Jeter. But what’s the point if it’s an automatic call?
He was safe! but the yankees base stealing has been bad this series.
I trust Jeter’s judgement for than anyone, and he was right on that call.
Girardi also gets a day off.
Jeter you moron.
Thats why that is a terrible play.
Sterling was saying that Romero has a great ERA for someone that pitches in the AL especially the AL east. Well Toronto hasn’t played the east much so far so lets see where he ends up though he has looked good so far this year.
imagine if a guy like a gardner just got thrown out at third with 0 outs…this place would be in an uproar
This year the Yankees are 3-3 with 2 HRs in the AB after Girardi gets ejected.
It might be the Captain, and he might have been safe, but not a good play with no outs and early in the game.
Too bad for the missed call/ mindless steal attempt.
Last time I checked, firetonypena.com was still available.
Bad play by the Captain, even if he was safe. But I’m happy if he’s on 3rd base and none out, I guess… oh well.
he’s safe, but that’s an awful play by Jeter…like Girardi sticking up for him there though- sends a message that this isn’t a game where we should be happy with 3 out of 4…these are the games that seperate you at the end of the season-
That wasn’t 3-0 MKay
swinging on 3-0, kay?
it was 2-1
So Tony Pena manages or GI Joe from the locker ?
Even Swisher couldn’t screw up on that wild pitch.
imagine if a guy like a gardner just got thrown out at third with 0 outs…this place would be in an uproar
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being a 14 year veteran with 4 rings and the captain of the NY Yankees gets you some breaks
Alex is about to go deep. I called it first.
Should be 1-0 right now at the least.
If Derek Jeter is a moron what does that say for every other player in the majors since his baseball IQ is probably in the top 10? It was a bad play but he must have thought there was no chance he could get thrown out.
At least we’re making Romero work and our guys are hitting the ball hard. This doesn’t look to me like a guy who will shut the offense down today.
MG -Of course he’s not really a moron. But I’m frustrated and venting after a moronic play.
atleast they are raising his pitch count
Why is it pointless to get tossed? Foster has now blown two calls. Yesterday, the catcher didn’t even have the ball in his glove hand for the tag. Two runs he’s taken in 2 days. It’s a perfect reason to get tossed.
“UPDATE, 1:20 p.m.: Jeter looked safe, but the throw beat him and it’s a silly play try and steal third there unless you know for sure you’re going to be safe. It’s equally pointless for Girardi to get tossed out.”
It’s equally pointless for bad umpires to stay in the majors and continue to make bad calls and have short fuses.
LOL
Geez, don’t make me nervous, A-Rod.
Not a great name for the Yankees so far. Bad call for Jeter, Girardi called out and now A-Rod gets plunked. Hopefully we have something to show for it at the end of the day.
“Well Toronto hasn’t played the east much so far so lets see where he ends up though he has looked good so far this year.”
Jays are 7-14 against the AL East to this point.
Pete, are you for real? Joe HAS to get kicked out. If he doesn’t go out and argue Jeter might get thrown out.
This is the 3rd call the umpires have gotten wrong in this series. Remember, they are payed to get the close ones right. Anyone can get 99% correct.
Johnny atleast you get an off day today and we don’t have to watch an adventure in LF
Romero is having a Joba inning,more balls than strikes,and a lot of pitches
What was posada looking for?
That inning sucked.
that’s impressive stuff.
Boy, Jeter really ruined that inning.
back to work Andy
that was a great sequence to posada…out out out out in with a 93.5 mph fb
And still, there is no check on bad umpiring – do they get reviews? fired? who knows…seems like they should though
(i might be wrong, but I keep asking and no one can tell me if there is actually a review process for Umpires)
Anyone surprised that we got nothing out of that?
Let’s hope Romero fails to conquer his nerves.
Go, Andy.
If you are getting frustrated and need to vent in the 1st inning of a scoreless game after your team has won 10 out of 11 you either need some meds or learn how to chill.
Wow, how the heck did we NOT score there?
A walk, a hit by pitch, a single, a balk and a wild pitch… And no runs…
m-I was not surprised after Jeter’s bonehead play.
The problem is there are too many automatic calls by umpires. Yesterday, the so-called “electricity play” and today Jeter’s slide. Bad play, but good slide and if the umpire is on top of it, he’s safe.
I don’t like that Jeter’s still coughing.
MG-I said Jeter was a moron. For this I need meds?
If you feel the need to call someone out after pointing out that a player did something really moronic you need something better to do. You notice that you’re the ONLY one with a beef? You seriously weren’t frustrated we didn’t score in that inning?
YankeesWFAN: Romero’s scoreless streak still in tact, 21ip. But he’s on his way to pitcher’s Yahtzee, a mark in every column-ip,h,r,er,w,k,hr,hb,wp,bk.
Andy looks really locked into the outside corner today, hopefully he can keep dealing there…
It’s too bad the Yanks didn’t score there, they had a good opportunity.
I like to see Girardi and Jeter showing intensity early in the game. This is a classic let-down game, hopefully that first inning play sparks the team and gets them going.
That’s amazing that Pettitte has thrown all fastballs so far and no one has reached base yet.
If he can do it, Joba should be able to as well.
Of all the people to walk…
RS-You were saying?
The perfect game crushed.
But the no hitter is intact!
Again, what you said was childish, period. If it makes you feel better to call Jeter a moron then it’s your problem.
I wasn’t frustrated at all, it’s a 9 inning game and I have confidence in the team.
And now the no hitter is smashed.
But the shutout is intact!
I should shut up before I jinx him even more.
Rolen and La russa hate each other.
Rolen called La Russa out for his favoring Puljols,GUESS where Rolen was traded.
Girardi tossed already? What happened? Didn’t like the way they sang the Anthem?
I’ll agree with that
“But the no hitter is intact! ”
Nice jinx job… LOL
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
RS-You were saying?
The perfect game crushed.
But the no hitter is intact!
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Sadly both are gone, and so is the shutout.
I hate Millar. you know this is all his fault, right?
Walking Millar. Happens every time.
Those walks will kill ya.
come on andy thats a bad job…2 outs then you walk millar on 4 pitches then this
You guys jynxed it.
MG-You keep saying that. Look at the legions of people on your side.
Wow, I jinxed Andy, didn’t I?
I’ll shut up now.
That walk to Millar was the killer in this inning.
Jays up 1-0
Come on Andy
2 outs, bases empty, no score, and couldn’t end the inning.
Millar is tipping pitches, I call anarchy.
Something is not right here. We’ve dominated the first inning and a half and we’re losing. Huh?
Let’s get that run back and add on a few more now
At least the ball stayed in the yard.
Let’s go, bats.
22 pitch inning and a run too!
alright, let’s talk about it again…steiner is the worst. no, no…waldman is the worst….i listen to every game and they are dismal…i want to turn them off but i love the yankees to much…he calls it early and gets it wrong once a game…he just goes to sleep…worse than chris berman..no, not worse but close..chris berman on espn is just sad…waldman and steiner….terrible…i’ll switch to the jays broadcast….
Ya know something funny. Our dominant winning streak started when Girardi got ejected from that game about 2 weeks ago. How funny would it be if his current ejection ended our domination?
>At least the ball stayed in the yard.
the one in the corner looked like it was JUST about to get over. so glad it didn’t.
It’s not necessary to call a player a moron. If you mean it’s a moronic play, say it’s a moronic play. It calls out the poor play without being derogatory of a person. No one’s saying you can’t complain about a bad play. That would just be silliness.
Eh, none of those balls were hit hard. A walk, groundball, and a ball that was 2 inches from being foul. Those things happen when you don’t strike people out and the opponent puts a lot of balls in play.
At least Hinske didn’t airmail his throw
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Johnny atleast you get an off day today and we don’t have to watch an adventure in LF
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Brandon, stop hating on my pretend boyfriend
Russell NY
July 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Ya know something funny. Our dominant winning streak started when Girardi got ejected from that game about 2 weeks ago. How funny would it be if his current ejection ended our domination?
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Is this a joke?
The Yanks should never walk Millar, brings back BAD memories!
Story of Andy’s season. Four pitch walk with 2 outs and nobody in and have the bottom of the order beat you.
He’s had trouble all year pitching to bottom of AL batting orders.
Hopefully he can give them innings today. Can’t blow up the pen again before a road trip.
I walked away to have lunch. Did Girardi get tossed?
Let’s go Babaloo on this Ricky Ricardo wannabe.
Erica-yup
Romero has come out throwing all fastballs since he lost his command in the first inning. I don’t understand how Cano can strike out on 5 straight fastballs. I could do better than that.
does romero remind anyone else of marte?
WTTCTOHA-
Congratulations!! You win the jinx of the day award. LOL
Steve B
July 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
“Well Toronto hasn’t played the east much so far so lets see where he ends up though he has looked good so far this year.”
Jays are 7-14 against the AL East to this point.
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Steve, my point was he has a small sample against the east. 21 games is only 25% of what they will face. Lets see if his ERA against the east is as low as it has been against the others. We should have a run already.
Lets hope this kid doesn’t doesn’t calm down
Hey S.A.
any video link today so I can watch at work?
I feel ashamed.
Eh the bullpen didn’t get blown out yesterday. Aceves saved them.
just got to work this kid and get him out of the game – i believe the Jays pen is shot
Bob-this is what I’m using today:
http://www.atdhe.net/5632/watc.....vs-yankees
41 pitches.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 6th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I feel ashamed
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Its okay. I still like you. (if that matters to you at all)
something tells me we’re going to like Hinske.
Thanks S.A.!
You da man!
I’m going to try an anti jinx and say I feel really bad about this one after those dubious first and second innings.
41 through 2 innings…andy just needs to keep it close and we’ll get to their pen
so the yankees got a walk, balk, hit, and a hit by pitch and didn’t ever have a man at 3rd base. wow that’s gotta be some sort of record
Most important thing to me today is Andy giving them innings.
Can’t win every game but, back to back short outings by starters are not what they need.
If Andy gives them length, he will have done his job today.
Ah. What could’ve been. Almost a memorable first at-bat for Hinske.
Did we ever find out what the meeting was about? Maybe it was to introduce Hinske to the rest of the team?
“You da man”
You da woman..correction fixed
Bob(the original) July 6th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Thanks S.A.!
You da woman!
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Fixed it for you.
No problem
I have a confession to make. I jinxed the first Red Sox game too, where Bay tied it with the HR. I was wearing a red hat until the ninth inning. I took it off in the ninth and look what happened?
I put it on later in the game but by then it was too late.
LOL-Thanks Ed! Where have you been dude?
WTTCTOHA-
I really think my job is the problem. The Yanks were 8-1 while I was away from my office. I am back to work today.
Obviously, it is in the Yankees best interest for me to be put on payroll and not have to come to my job
YankeesWFAN: Eric Hinske walk up song: Cat Scratch Fever by Ted Nugent. As Bill & Ted might say, “Excellent!”
3 minutes ago from web
BryanHoch: Eric Hinske comes up to Catscratch Fever.
3 minutes ago from TwitterBar
S.A.–It’s a marathon, not a sprint July 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Bob(the original) July 6th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Thanks S.A.!
You da woman!
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Fixed it for you.
No problem
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Ooops. Sorry.
So Hinske is a lefty,automatic outs.Romero has 41 pitches for 2 innings,he’s getting near his Joba country.
come on, andy
Bullpen has been working a lot Patrick.
Another light day before a tough 6 game roadtrip won’t hurt.
Erica-Yes, you mentioned that the other day.
Let’s make it happen.
Leadoff walks … sigh…
Another walk….
Outs, Andy – OUTS
SA,
uh…lets just say I had a long month of June. Went to Florida, been cut short because my grandmother passed away
other than that, I been good. 
SJ44,
The bullpen is fine. Hughes, Bruney, Rivera are fresh. Coke is a bit overworked but he can pitch today. Ace needs a few days off but he’s probably starting Thursday anyways.
You could say that every day, “Our starter needs to give us length” because it’s true every day.
Sorry but I’d be more happy with 5 ip 1 run than 7 ip 5 runs.
Ugh for Andy.
He was out. Idiot umps.
Another bad call.
O M G
O M FREAKIN G
Ugh. This is on the way to being another tortuous start by a Yankee pitcher.
Andy just allows way too many baserunners at this point.
uggh…he was clearlyyyy out…wow
Boo!
GI Joe just threw a chair
another blown call by an ump!
Wow, how is it possible for the 2b ump to miss that one? hes looking right at it!
Oh no. Sorry about your grandmother Ed.
You have my condolences
He was out! What did Jeter ever do to these umpires?
Boy, Jeter has been plagued by some really awful calls.
wow. several bad calls on the bases and behind the plate already. this might be a long game for andy and the yanks.
Another automatic call, the ump on the wrong side of the play. An inordinate amount of poor calls lately.
Lots of bad umpiring all over the league this year.
He was out!
This ump crew is KILLING the Yanks today… Wonder what the beef is?
This crew is really embarassing itself today.
Two blown calls in less than 3 innings.
Another awful day for the boys in blue.
“Sorry but I’d be more happy with 5 ip 1 run than 7 ip 5 runs.”
Even if your team scores 10 runs?
The umps must be officiating with blindfolds today.
Bad call, but you can’t allow leadoff walks.
God I hate umpires so much.
“This crew is really embarassing itself today.
Two blown calls in less than 3 innings.”
I don’t recall a day where they didn’t fail at their jobs. I don’t remember baseball being this poor at umpiring.
Even the umps can’t screw up a swing and a miss for a K.
Ed -
Sorry to hear about your grandmother.
SJ44
July 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
This crew is really embarassing itself today.
Two blown calls in less than 3 innings.
Another awful day for the boys in blue.
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SJ – does anything ever come of stuff like this (blown calls) – like inmpact to rehire or retraining, at the very least an eyeglass check? Feels too much like a supreme court appointment – do what you want and you still have job security…
Kevin Millar up? 3 run homer incoming.
WTTCTOHA-
I am working on it. I would make a great full-time professional fan.
In the meantime, I bought my mega millions tickets for tomorrow. I could use 133 million
Oh my bad it’s rios, i’m following online.
sidenote: I think there should be a rule in place for missed calls. It would work the same way as fielding errors (in this case the runner at second would be considered an unearned run if scored). the pitcher isn’t punished if his players make errors, why should he be punished for errors in judgement?
Another bad call. Maybe the announcers could stop shilling for the umpires. They are paid to get the close ones right. Anyone can make a mistake is not good enough.
This game is gonna suck
Patrick, you called it.
that should of never happened…thanks ump
Yankee killer, Ooh la la! Rios up.
Are you kidding me??? That blown call cost 3 runs!!
And Rios makes the Yankees pay.
Trost in the booth with Sterling and Susan.
The Ernie Kovacs Trio?
OH YAY!
gdit Andy – can you please stop pitching like GARBAGE.
who’s the idiot that caught that ball.
there it is. bad call leads to a big lead.
..or not!
Erica-It’s been done before. Jane Heller did it.
If the umps make the right calls, the game is 1-1.
I’ll take a rested pen in a house money game.
We will just agree to disagree.
Meanwhile, looks like Andy won’t cooperate though with yet another garbage start.
Thanks for the 4 run handicap umps!
unbelievable
wow that out was soooooooooooooooo easy to get right there
And the umpires have cost the Yankees runs plus and minus today.
Still, not a good job by Andy.
SA & Doreen, thanks.
W/o the umps ruining this the Yankees would be tid 1-1.
When is Cashman going to listen to me and sign Manute Bol for left field??????
0-4, right where we want ‘em.
Ed, sorry to hear about your grandmother, my condolences.
Haha a “house money game” that’s absurd and you know it. Play to win every day. This isn’t the Toledo Mud Hens, it’s the New York Yankees.
I wish Phil Hughes was pitching right now
So the Jays have a 4 run head start, ok.
Can’t see Andy coming back next year, though I’m sure he can latch on to an NL team and pitch effectively for another 3 or so years.
In the AL East? Not anymore.
tid=tied.
sorry but i cant blame andy for those 3 runs…sure it would of been nice to get the 3rd out but you cant give a team extra outs (by the ump) and expect to just get out of it scot free…he made a bad pitch and got burned but it should of never mattered
In the off season they’ll knock out some of those row of seats. It’s helping the Yankees too. but that ball should be a routine fly ball.
Most of the Jays homers in this series just got out. Right now it’s way too easy to hit the ball out.
Andy gets the out right after they score!
Andy is beating himself. Shouldn’t be walking Millar and Scutaro.
Open your eyes UMPS. The guy was way out at second come on
This is unbelievable.
This game is one we’re going to lose.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 6th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Erica-It’s been done before. Jane Heller did it.
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Actually, Jane Heller wrote about 15 great selling books before she followed the Yankees around. I’ve read all of them before I knew she was even a fan
damn that would of been a triple!
Bautista, you are not suppose to be a GG.
Nick, thanks.
Lots of bad luck in this game so far.
between the umps and that catch, geez they can’t buy a break
So – anyone know where I can sign up to be an Umpire – looks pretty easy and you get to go to a lot baseball games…
yeeeeesh
Darn.
Gonna be one of those days I guess.
They keep flashing Romero. He looks like LL Cool J, but even uglier.
Too bad, nice play by Bautista.
Erica-Well all right then. Never mind.
wow gotta wonder about some of these called strikes…
Bad calls or not, it wasn’t going to make a difference in today’s game.
Every other start from Pettitte is now a clunker. He’s incapable anymore of stopping the damage.
He’s pitched terribly today and is headed for a five inning outing on a day when the Yankees needed length from a starter.
Luckily, the Yankees have Tomko’s arm to abuse in what’s shaping up as a blowout.
hopefully jeter will get thrown out so these umps actually get looked at. horrible day
Jetes is especially pissed today.
That first base ump was a little too giddy with that call.
Maybe if you hadn’t quit Scouts at 15 you would have learned something more substantive. It’s more than just the merit badges, after all. I’m sorry that you found it useless, but there are many of us that had very rewarding and meaningful experiences in Scouts.
Toronto is tough for Andy. All right-handed batters. He is too old now to survive that kind of lineup.
It’s why the outcome is meaningless to me.
Andy is awful at the stadium and winning series is all that matters yo me.
They will have to break up Andy and Joba in the rotation after the break or the pen will be on fumes for the other guys.
Tie goes to the runner? Not with Jeter running.
rconn23-That is not true. He would have stopped the damage had the ump not blown the call.
pettitte did not get the memo that walks kill..
what was the 2nd bad call?? not in front of a TV..
Remember when I said Come from behind no how is important,this is that scenario,grit.
Honestly, I know baseball will never be like football where every call can be reviewed, but I think there should be a rule where the manager can ask for ONE play per game to be reviewed.
In this case, that blown call at 2B led to 3 runs scoring, which could end up being a huge factor in the game’s outcome. I think the team has a right to get the correct call on that play.
It’s not Jeter’s day. At all.
Dude they need length from the starter every day, today isn’t anything special.
Yanks are playing badly and the umps are giving calls to the Jays.
Still it’s only the third inning.
romero looks like shawn chacon
Swish!
why is the pen not rested??? aceves cannot pitch but why not hughes, coke, robertson, bruney, mo, etc???
Aceves saved the myesterday…
finally a call that goes the YANKS way
Wow, Swisher bounced like a spring on that slide.
Swisher is a plus base jumper
your not fast swisher!! your not fast!
atta boy Swishy!
nice jump swish!!
Swisher with the acrobatics.
What a slide!
WTH was that
Hey it’s Willy Mays Hays
It’s so funny how some of you “fans” forget about Andy’s last start so quickly. 7 IP 2 runs @ Yankee stadium.
Pettitte is pitching poorly right now but he was boned by the umpires.
You really think the Yanks came to the ballpark today saying “I don’t care if we win, we already won 3 of 4″? No they didn’t come in thinking that because it’s stupid. Major leaguers don’t think that way, only goofy fans.
Looks like Swisher tagged himself out.
Swisher was determnied, I guess, but if he doesn’t make a weirdo slide he’s out. He overestimates his own speed all the time!
Well, at least he didn’t get hurt.
Hope it leads to a run.
Swisher just made a god-like dive. He hopped right off his knees and landed on 2nd.
that’s like the equal of a NBA crossover
Swisher is one of the worst baserunners I’ve ever seen.
Lucky he was safe there.
Swisher is the worst baserunner I have ever seen. His feet need to have a talk with his brain about how slow they are
Nice play by Swisher, but the East German judge only gives it a 6.7.
Nick Swisher = Willy Mays Hays
Joba Chamberlain = Rick Vaughn
Who’s next?
So Patrick,
they going undefeated the rest of the way?
They won the first 3. If they lose today, no big deal.
It’s about winning series. Pretty tough to sweep 4 game series against good teams.
doesn’t matter.
If we’re gonna get on Joba for how he pitched AFTER Ransom’s error, then you have to get on Andy for not pickin’ up after the blown call.
pitiful
It’s so funny how some of you “fans” forget about Andy’s last start so quickly. 7 IP 2 runs @ Yankee stadium.
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It was also against the Mariners, who are bottom 10 in wOBA as a team
Tex looked awful in that AB.
Swisher already got robbed of 2 RBI today.
RS-Nah, that call with Jeet at third would’ve been reviewed and then no more reviews.
I’m out. I’ll keep watching the game but you can tell this is not our day.
and tex comes thru with a big moral boosting sing… er oh wait he struck out. : (
the umps get it wrong all the time and announcers that act like it is no big deal are just industry shills..
get the damn calls right, or at least do not make assumption calls…remember about a year or 2 ago the seattle guy was tagged out at 2nd in a yankee game by 5 feet or more and they called him safe, and then the yanks lost the game!!! calls can lose you games………………..
Yankees had their chance in the first inning and gave it away. You give a good pitcher this many chances to get off the hook, and what do you expect to happen?
This offense does not get the little things done, plain and simple. They bludgeon the opposing team by a “brute force” attack in which they get a lot of guys on base and drive in very few of them. That doesn’t work when you face a good pitcher who won’t give you 15 chances with RISP.
Doreen July 6th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
If we’re gonna get on Joba for how he pitched AFTER Ransom’s error, then you have to get on Andy for not pickin’ up after the blown call.
Or for walking Millar and Scutaro
Doreen-Andy looks better than Joba did that day.
SJ44
Of course they aren’t going undefeated but it’s downright stupid to expect (and accept) a loss. If they came into today’s game expecting a loss they would have just forfeited.
This game counts as much as tomorrow’s and yesterday’s.
matt you are kinda right but 1 small fact the yanks lead baseball in runs scored and they have not had many 15 run games this year….
Patrick July 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
It’s so funny how some of you “fans” forget about Andy’s last start so quickly. 7 IP 2 runs @ Yankee stadium.
Pettitte is pitching poorly right now but he was boned by the umpires.
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The guy had a 5 ERA the 2 MONTHS before that last start. But sure, let’s focus on that one start instead.
A pitcher isn’t supposed to unravel and give up a 2-out 3-run bomb even after a blown call. All pitchers experience a blown call, it’s those who can minimize the damage that are able to be effective.
It sure would be nice to force the RS to have to win tonight.
if pettite holds it right here we have a legit chance to come back..we did it before…heck, we did it yesterday..lets not give up yet, even though it feels worse because it should be at worst 1-0 jays
im really angry that jeter is apparently visuably pissed and I cant see it
The Umpires this year have been so bad.
Umpiring is a skill and the ones who get to the bigs are supposed to be the best. They are very well payed to get the close ones correct. I hope they are fined for this series.
Andy is just brutal – and no, I’m not going to lay this all at the ump’s feet. Can he make a decent pitch instead of crumbling? The Yankee rotation is on very shaky ground – I don’t like giving away any games, especially in this division. He doesn’t even give us innings anymore – he’s safe because of his reputation, but Andy has pitched very poorly, with the exception of a few outings, this year. Great, so Phil is in the pen and we have 2 reliable starting pitchers – that’s conducive to making the playoffs.
Tex needs a full day off.
It might be nice if Tex started getting hot again – he’s been mediocre for awhile now.
Andy is 40% worse than league average with 2 outs. He lacks fortitude.
MAN I’m sick of some of the “fans” in here. Keep whining and crying and see how much it helps.
Enjoy the game folks I’m outta here.
Andy is Andy, you can’t get on him too much.
There are issues with Joba, and they can’t be swept under the rug much longer.
Phil Hughes is 60% better than league average with 2 strikes. He is a winner.
Free Hughes.
Put away John McDonald, please. Thank you.
hey Jetes got a call
Patrick July 6th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
MAN I’m sick of some of the “fans” in here. Keep whining and crying and see how much it helps.
Enjoy the game folks I’m outta here.
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Viewing the game through pinstriped glasses isn’t my thing, sorry.
See ya.
No, players know they aren’t going to win every game and realize winning series is more important.
Does that mean they want to lose? Of course not.
But, if they do, nobody in the clubhouse will complain about a 5-2 homestand.
Nice inning
59 pitches for Andy
Hold on-I said I’d leave but we’re not “giving away” this game with bad plays or anything. We’re losing. It happens.
romero has thrown something like 22 straight scoreless innings. thats crazy
Pettitte is just the wrong type of pitcher for this park. He’s no longer a ground ball pitcher and is a fly ball one. He is pretty decent on the road though.
I meant outs, but I’m sure Hughes rules with 2 strikes too. (10% better)
Andy can at least pitch past the 6 inning
“Andy is just brutal – and no, I’m not going to lay this all at the ump’s feet. Can he make a decent pitch instead of crumbling?”
i couldnt disagree more….he cant control what the umpires do..the guy was clearly out at 2nd and the next guy struck out…inning should of been over
Get away day for the blue’s……Must be a tight connection out of LaGuardia……
We can still win this game. If we don’t we don’t.
Umps lost the game for the Yankees.
Pretty quick to turn on Andy.
WTTCTOHA -
Overall, Andy looks better than Joba, true. But not doing a great job, either.
I would like to thank Andy for all the great years in pinstripes, but this is in all probability his last year at least in NY.
He was 5-2 in May and June despite a 1.7 WHIP. The team is winning his starts in spite of him, not because of him.
I love the mics on the field
vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Patrick July 6th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
MAN I’m sick of some of the “fans” in here. Keep whining and crying and see how much it helps.
Enjoy the game folks I’m outta here.
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Viewing the game through pinstriped glasses isn’t my thing, sorry.
See ya.
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The Yanks have won 10 of their last 11 and have the 3rd best record in baseball.
It has nothing to do with pinstriped glasses and everything to do with perspective and a knowledge of baseball.
Go jump off a bridge because the Yanks are down 4-0 in a game on July 6th.
Part of the reason for the bad calls from umpires is bad positioning. They’re lining up behind the plays and there is no depth perception. That’s what needs to be changed.
posada looks lost
Posada that was the same sequence as last time. what are you looking for.
I hate the thinking that you only need to win series and not worry about the sweep.
There will be times when the Yankees lose a series 1-2 or even 0-3. Sweeping some other teams counteracts that.
For instance, after dropping series to the Nats and Marlins and falling 5 games behind the Sox, I felt the Yankees needed to not only beat the Braves, but also sweep the Mets. I wouldn’t have been satisfied with just series wins, because that would have kept the Yankees at a .500 clip over a 2 week stretch (2-4 vs. Nats and Marlins, 4-2 vs. Braves and Mets).
romero has jorge’s #
Posada that was the same sequence as last time. what are you looking for.
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He is a guess hitter, you can tell he thought the first pitch was going to be the same as the last pitch of his 1st AB. He swings like a mindless robot at a spot instead of at the ball
Cano sucks with risp lol
Romero’s stuff seems to be excellent.
He is making the hitters look foolish with their missed swings.
It is going to be a long day for the Yankee offense and Andy is not Dandy today….
Not turning on Andy, but he hasn’t been good this year – the truth is the truth
lord almighty
And the Yanks continue playing like they were never on fire before this game.
Oh well doesn’t look like the Yankees day.
Ok, today is just not the yankees day.
Who the f*ck is Bautista and why does he keep stealing hits??
Wow, this is definitely NOT the Yankees day.
like i said, Bautista is NOT suppose to be a gold glover.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Wow. Two great plays by Bautista. Can’t blame Cano much for that double play.
Let’s go, Andy.
ok, some days things just do not go your way. nothing you can do about it
That sob couldn’t catch a thing in the WBC now he’s back to being Freddy Sanchez or Willie Harris
wow bautista is having some game with the glove
Now lets attack Posada.
Nevermind he was 4-5 yesterday or that he had the game winning hit on Saturday.
Some of you people are real morons.
vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Patrick July 6th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
MAN I’m sick of some of the “fans” in here. Keep whining and crying and see how much it helps.
Enjoy the game folks I’m outta here.
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Viewing the game through pinstriped glasses isn’t my thing, sorry.
See ya.
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The Yanks have won 10 of their last 11 and have the 3rd best record in baseball.
It has nothing to do with pinstriped glasses and everything to do with perspective and a knowledge of baseball.
Go jump off a bridge because the Yanks are down 4-0 in a game on July 6th.
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So saying Andy Pettitte is pretty much done as a starter in the AL East, even citing numerous statistical evidence that he is, is equivalent to being a bridge jumper?
Nowhere did I say that the Yankees are playing bad baseball. But go ahead and keep labeling people bridge jumpers if that makes your day.
Girardi chose wrong day to get tossed out
oh man. the good ole cano inning ending fly into a double play. kid can’t catch a break.
I have no idea where Bautista has found the speed and glove to make two plays like that.
Patrick,
Andy is more freaked out pitching at home than the other starters.
On the rare moments he pitches well at home, I’ll take it.
However, some days aren’t your day. Like today.
I’ll take 3 of 4 any day and save the bullpen for the road trip if Pettitte can man up and give them innings. Even if they lose.
most of the people in here are useless…OMG the Yankees are going to lose a game! Who should be fired?! Who’s to blame for this?! Heads will roll!!!
ugh…this is why people avoid game threads…
Same you-know-what, different day with Cano.
BBFan,
The Yanks are like a rudderless ship since G got tossed.
It’s really telling that people can’t criticize certain performances on this blog without being labeled bridge jumpers or morons.
GB7 he sucked in the OF in the WBC who the hell gave him a gold glove today ?
“Girardi chose wrong day to get tossed out”
its the anti-thrown out curse
Cano hit the ball hard, let’s celebrate.
BTW 2 bad calls hurt the yanks today. Give me all the platitudes you want but the umps, negligence has hurt the yanks today big time.. that is wrong and should not happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You people act like its 10 to 0.Its only the 5th inning. Have faith on your team.
Bautista ate his Wheaties this morning
Oh so Johnny isn’t cross eyed ?
Like I said. When you have a chance against a good pitcher, you can’t just give it away and expect to have more chances to keep scoring.
Trying to steal 3rd base with NO OUTS is a boneheaded play, period. Who cares if Jeter or Cano makes that play? It’s still wrong, and you can certainly criticize the lack of mental awareness.
The saying is that you never make the first or third out at 3rd base, and Jeter did that in the first which completely sucked the life out of the rally. You NEVER make that play in that spot, especially against a good pitcher with NO OUTS.
Sterling just realized the call at 2nd was a bad one. Pretty funny. He is talking to Mark Feinsand, and he told him the call was mad and he is like, “oh really? wow, I didn’t know that”
Gardner should rob Bautisa’s hit.
The padding on the outfield wall is getting a work out today.
Great catch by Gardner!
Gardenhoser and that glass.
nice play gardy…too bad you didnt have a triple and run scored to go along with your nice catch
Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Not turning on Andy, but he hasn’t been good this year – the truth is the truth
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Careful there, you might be included in the Bridge Jumper and Moron Club!
On the Jeter thrown out at third. Just because he wasn’t “supposed” to go, doesn’t absolve the ump.
I’ll take 3/4, but you always hope for a sweep.
So far, the zeitgeist of this game isn’t looking to be on the side of the Yankees, but it could change.
Just because people are commenting on things that are happening in a game doesn’t mean they’re whining and complaining or unsatisfiable.
Boy the balls are carrying weird today.
If we’re not allowed to say, wow, Andy shoulda gotten out of that inning or Andy isn’t having his best day, then what’s the point. As long as the discourse stays civil without verbal attacks on each other or the players, it should be fine. No?
Maybe Andy’s settle down and the zeitgeist is beginning to change??
Let’s go Yankees, plenty of innings left.
Lets put some runs on the board
72 pitches for Andy
andy doesn’t even look like he is pitching bad imo. A blown call and it is only 1-0. He should be able to pitch 7 as well
i heard a week or so ago on the radio XM the baltimore announcers in the game they lost when boston scored 4 or 5 in the 9th to tie it up, they were infering the umps favor the sux..
they actually stated it and did not infer anything…
any chance the 2 bad calls make the postgame highlights or ESPN?
The outfield defense is much better when Gardner and Melky are out there.
GB7 -
I agree. the umpires are not positioning themselves to their best advantage. Or so it would seem.
I just hate the automatic calls.
“Same you-know-what, different day with Cano.”
What did Cano do wrong?
At least Pettitte looks like he may be able to go seven. At this point, that’s all you can really ask.
The offense looks like they are already on the plane to Minneapolis.
Whether he’s safe or out is irrelevant. Taking the risk of being thrown out in that spot, with NO OUTS, is just flat out dumb.
Even if he was really safe, the risk of being out is too much to give away a huge scoring chance with no outs in the first. If Swisher makes an out then you can try to get to 3rd with less than 2 outs, but with NO OUTS and the heart of the order coming up, it’s inexcusable to even try.
Just because he’s Jeter doesn’t mean he’s infallible. The steal of 3rd base gave Romero a ton of life when he was really scuffling, and probably is why the Yankees are trailing in this game rather than having scored a bit off of Romero.
bottom line Jetershould not have tried to steal 3rd base in that circumstance and absolutely it does not absolved th eump of there standard assumption call. they assume he was out because the ball beat him to the base, because they are lazy sacks of —- and to lazy to get it right….
The bad calls hurt but, leadoff walks and HR’s hurt more and Andy has been doing that at home all year.
Grind, give them 7, and if they lose, it’s still been a successful series and homestand.
“The offense looks like they are already on the plane to Minneapolis”
maybe they are just going up against a good pitcher?
Hinske!!!!
Welcome to the Yanks, Hinske.
THE HIN-DOG!
Hinske is going to love this short porch.
Good thing Hinske came ready to play
Welcome to NY Hinske!!!
HINSKE MAKES THIS LESS OF AN EMBARRASSMENT!
Welcome to the Bronx Eric.
now that’s a start
welcome!!
The H-Dog making a case for more PT.
First batter in AL to touch Romero is Eric Hinske. And that was a legit blast.
Welcome to New York Hinske!!
Regardless, Jeter getting thrown out is not why we’re losing right now.
Even if it were Cano, Swisher, or some of the more adventurous baserunners, I personally wouldn’t be killing them.
Way, to go, Dougie!
Welcome to the family Hinske!
Hellooooo Hinske!
BG!!!
Again, what a nice debut for Hinske. games not over yet, folks
solo jack the yankee way. I will take it..
Hinske call from Sterling?
Nothing…….
John’s is ill-prepared again.
Man, Betsy, it really sucks that the Yankees have lost 10 straight.
there ya go gardy!
Romero looks a bit shaken, this is a good time to get to him.
No cheesy homerun call from Sterling
Guess he wasn’t prepared for that
Gardner: try to rob this.
Nice Hinske.
What was Sterling’s call for that home run?
Accordiny to yankees.com we scored a run. How is this possible? We suck!
Jetes give him a chance to steal.
The Yankees don’t have anyone who should be starting instead of Andy, so I guess I’m just trying to look at the positives.
Has this been a ‘garbage’ start? Well, if one wants to be derisive like that, it was a garbage start of a start but he can still turn it into a mediocre game or, dare I hope, the dreaded ‘league average’ or whatever.
4 runs in 3 innings is bad. 4 runs in 5 innings is bad but not as bad. What if it’s 4 runs in 6 innings? Can he get through 7? Would that change how we look back at this start by old awful Andy Pettitte?
With Nady being out, Hinske could be a nice source of power from a corner OF standpoint.
Kevin in Central NJ July 6th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
What was Sterling’s call for that home run?
E Heezy fa sheezy goes deep!
Does Hinske remind anyone a little of Doug Heffernan? Watch his face when he’s watching the ball if it’s fair or foul. A couple more home runs and maybe we’ll start calling him the King of Bronx.
I don’t even know why Jetes is swinging w/ Gardenhoser at 1st.
They need to sit on the fastball it seems like he is not throwing his change for strikes.
A Round Tripski…..Frooooooom Hinske!
That’s my offering.
First Sterling has no homerun call for Hinske. Now he is knocking stuff over in the booth. LOL
What’s wrong with the offense? They have hit the ball hard all day and a couple of great defensive plays in left have kept 2-3 runs off the board.
yeah, what was Sterlings call?
Erica – newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
First Sterling has no homerun call for Hinske. Now he is knocking stuff over in the booth. LOL
lol
Jeter getting thrown out is not the DIRECT reason we are losing, but getting thrown out there gave Romero a huge break when he was completely falling apart, and indirectly has kept them from scoring probably more than they would have.
When a guy balks you to 2nd base after walking you leading off an inning, the last thing you want to do is get thrown out stealing, whether you really were safe or not. He was falling apart in that inning and the Yankees bailed him out. You can’t do that against tough pitchers and expect them to hand you the game on a platter.
After Jeter got thrown out, Swisher singled. Give the guy a chance to advance you or drive you in before you take such a risky play. It made no sense to attempt a steal of 3rd in that spot, and Jeter got badly burned by it, even if he was safe. That’s why you don’t make that play, because getting to 3rd base provides no real advantage to a guy with Jeter’s speed until there is 1 out.
Speaking of blown calls is anyone in broadcasting as bad as John Sterling? He really is terrible.
I can’t be too mad at Andy for giving up 4 runs. The only thing that bothered me was the 4 pitch walk to Millar with 2 outs.
The walk to Scutero was bad, but Scutero is one of the league leaders in walks and it wasn’t like he walked him on 4 or 5 pitches (I believe it was a 3-2 pitch).
He got burned by a bad call at 2B and even though his job was to work around the error, Rios kills the Yankees and that ball would have been an out in many stadiums. The pitch Rios hit wasn’t even that bad of a pitch. It was a borderline strike, definitely not right down broadway.
The offense is fine. They’ve been victimized by Bautista’s sudden GG defense.
If Pettitte hadn’t coughed up a 3-run jack with 2 outs, it would be a tied game at least.
Rob NY July 6th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Speaking of blown calls is anyone in broadcasting as bad as John Sterling? He really is terrible.
Some guy for either the Padres or Dodgers said that the game was over and the Dodgers won but the game was actually tied lol.
Now would be a nice time for Teixeira to break his homerless streak.
Just a single Tex-message from getting right back into this game
I don’t care what the unwritten rule is…steal third Jeter. Dare him to throw you out twice!
Tex is due to crank one.
Way to swing at the first pitch Tex
My Sterling impression:
It is high
It is far
It is CAUGHT!
By the second baseman….
Damn Teix that was not bad-ass.
I know he doesn’t want a day off, but it looks like he needs one.
Tex needs a rest. His bat is slow as molasses.
Sit Mark. Bring in Matsui. That was dreadful.
Tex isn’t looking too good recently. Might want to give him a breather.
I kid, but I actually love Sterling. He reminds me of a senile old grandpa.
He may need his eyes checked though
Teixeira is slumping.
queue the tex is not a great player, omg he needs 6 days off, he doesnt play good defense anymore, his wife does like boston!, hes not clutch!!!!! calls
Going after first pitches like that doesn’t help too much, either.
Well, getting off the hook in the first inning hasn’t helped Romero get into a bit of trouble there in the 5th.
I’m not a purist, so I definitely think differently. There’s 27 outs and lots can happen between the first and the last.
At least there’s no snowman on the top half of the line score.
Putting the team in a 4 run hole early is a garbage start.
He can salvage it by saving the bullpen today.
At this stage of his career. especially at home, this is what he is.
You would love more consistent quality from him but today, I’ll take length and have a rested pen for the road trip.
RalphieD (OPPC) July 6th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
queue the tex is not a great player, omg he needs 6 days off, he doesnt play good defense anymore, his wife does like boston!, hes not clutch!!!!! calls
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Or cue the sensible advice of giving him a day off to refresh himself.
Romero should only last one more inning.
Pettitte’s got to hold serve here and give the team a chance to rip the Jays bullpen.
GJ Pettitte more walks!
Leadoff walk
bad idea andy
“Speaking of blown calls is anyone in broadcasting as bad as John Sterling? He really is terrible.”
I have been listing to him since day one….I think there is something wrong with him, seriously….we joke about him….but this is not a joking matter….he screws up at least 5-7 times in a game…WCBS hopefully will look into this matter in the off season…..he is so hard to listen to now
Awful. Just awful.
I don’t get this lineup. Why do they continue to swing at the first pitch after a guy just walked a batter? Why wouldn’t they rather work Romero’s pitch count, which was at 85 going into that at bat, and get him out of the game earlier and not have to face him?
I understand doing that in maybe the first inning, but when you have a chance to get close to knocking him out of the game, take the first pitch. This team is so overaggressive with runners on base, and it slams the door on so many rallies and allows the opposing pitcher to go deep into games when they should have been out of there earlier.
come on Andy
Enough with the lead-off walks, Andy.
I just noticed we have an afternoon game on Thursday too in Minnesota.
The Yankees with 2 afternoon weekday games in the same week. Unbelieveable
leadoff walks a formula for success.
Nice I like day games. I hate waiting for my Yanks to come on
How can that not be a swing? His bat almost clears the front end of the plate.
But Andy follows it with a beaut.
How about a nice double play for the blog?
Well, getting off the hook in the first inning has kept his pitch count down and his confidence up, allowing him to cruise through a few innings inbetween and stay in this game when he probably should have lasted only 5 today with 2 or 3 runs to his ledger.
If Jeter just stays at 2nd base, this could be a very different game right now. You can’t assume the same thing happens, but even if they move him over and score him without the hits and such, it’s still a 2 run game rather than 3, and having to face the extra hitters in the first in a tougher spot with runners on base probably means he’s done after 5 rather than 6.
Which game do you think we have a better chance to win?
2 run game in the 6th with the tired bullpen in.
or
3 run game in the 6th with Romero in.
These leadoff walks have him on a tightrope all the time.
He makes life a lot tougher for himself.
UPDATE, 2:39 p.m.: 82 ABs since Tex last hit a home run. It was on June 12. We had a much larger population of celebrities back then.
Ouch Pete
Third blown call in 6 innings. Nice job umps. Andy doesn’t have it hurt him by k’ing Rios on the next pitch.
4 hits for the jays and 4 runs…
1 more inning of romero make him work……………
I don’t get this lineup. Why do they continue to swing at the first pitch after a guy just walked a batter? Why wouldn’t they rather work Romero’s pitch count, which was at 85 going into that at bat, and get him out of the game earlier and not have to face him?
I understand doing that in maybe the first inning, but when you have a chance to get close to knocking him out of the game, take the first pitch. This team is so overaggressive with runners on base, and it slams the door on so many rallies and allows the opposing pitcher to go deep into games when they should have been out of there earlier.
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Isn’t it an organizational move? Because earlier yankee teams would get stuffed by first pitch strikes and 0-2 counts when they tried to be disciplined?
if we can get to the Jays’ pen by the 7th this game is far from over. Their bullpen is taxed…
Anyone read the RAB post today about Joba to the minors? Good read and I agree they should send him back to Triple A.
Matt,
Definitely an A for effort. And you’re absolutely right, but I’m not going to kill the players because they’re job is much tougher than ours.
Queue vs. Cue under the Strunk & White banner!
Gardner has a CANNON
he looked out
Even with his linguine arm he was out.
Andy may need to rub a little jalapeno in his nostrils for these home starts.
How about this for Sterling’s Hinske call?
“First there was Gehrig……Now there is Eric. Today Eric Hinske is the luckiest man alive!”
joba to the minors to teach him a lesson is stupid. if they had a buckholtz done there maybe another story but they don’t
bab bad idea…
Close play. Too close to say it’s blown call #4 but, i’ve seen guys called out on plays like that this year.
GB, Your absoluetly right about the positioning approach by todays umpires….When my playing days were over I began umpiring in the mid 70’s and which I still did until a few years ago…..Today they teach umps to go to a designated spot rather than floating & adjusting to obtain the best position to see and make the right call…..I’m from the old school and my grading was always in the top 5 % because I always adjust to the throw and then get in a set position…..Umps today miss so many close calls because they’re blocked out as the play develops….
that strikezone is shrinking, if the umps want to hand this game to Toronto just say so.
Bronx, you have officially lost the right to ever call for Sterling to be fired…
>We had a much larger population of celebrities back then.
lol
I wanted Moose to come back so bad. I wanted Pettitte to retire.
no more Walks
i think gardners arm looks worse than it is cause he tends to throw it into the dirt to early…if he had a better angle on the throw he would of been out easy
The makeup calls are coming, right?
Pettitte is walking a lot more guys this year. NYS is clearly getting to him.
Why is it a bad idea? You don’t have to agree with it but at least tell me why? Plus at this point does it really matter who they replace Joba with.
got to get barajas….
no more runs…please
Carl,
No offense. But Moose didn’t want to come back.
big batter!
“82 ABs since Tex last hit a home run. It was on June 12. We had a much larger population of celebrities back then.”
i dont get it
The Curious Case of Joba Chamberlain July 6th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Why is it a bad idea? You don’t have to agree with it but at least tell me why? Plus at this point does it really matter who they replace Joba with.
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It does matter when your options are Sergio Mitre and Kei Igawa.
m July 6th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Carl,
No offense. But Moose didn’t want to come back.
I know I wanted him to though.
“i dont get it”
Lots of celebrities have died since June 12
“Pettitte is walking a lot more guys this year. NYS is clearly getting to him.”
Either that or he’s 37.
“The makeup calls are coming, right?”
I think the umps want to give Toronto thier dignity before they walk out of NY.
Old man ties up Rios. Good pitch.
Lets put up More runs! Come on Yankees!
Carl,
Just sounded like you were complaining. Just a bit.
WTG, Andy.
As bad as the umps have been today, Andy walks too many guys at home this year and that has lead to his problems pitching in this ballpark.
He’s got to give them one more inning.
of ocurse it matters who they replace joba with. igawa, towers, these guys have no chance.
joba needs to stop shaking off his catchers and the vet pitchers need an intervention…
his ERA is low low 4’s not 8.. he is young and dumb and needs to learn and grow. striking guys out on his slider in the dirt in AAA will teach him what?????
96 pitches for Andy
time for the Yanks to get offensive!
Joba has a 1.50 Whip he is 3-2 on every batter. It comes a time when you need to send him down so he can work on his control and not have it cost this team games.
celebrities= Jackson, Fawcet, et al
Haha. Good one. Curious Case of Joba Chamberlain.
You can’t send Joba down because our 6th & 7th starters are in the bullpen.
Any other organization would’ve sent Joba down to AAA.
id say andy pitched well today…exactly the type of game you expect from him….and considering it should be
1-1…even better
Jays have made some ridiculous defensive plays today.
Too much criticism of Andy today. He’s not pitching great – 4 walks is not good – but he’s a blown call and a first row HR away from only giving up 1.
Yankees have an afternoon group trip or something? They seem to be in a hurry.
he is 3-2 on every batter because he gets to 0-2 or 1-2 and gets cute trying to pitching around the zone…the shake-offs come from Posada trying to get him to stay agressive and Joba wanting to K people with bad pitches…if he hasn’t been told to listen to Jorge by now then some one is not doing their job.
“UPDATE, 2:39 p.m.: 82 ABs since Tex last hit a home run. It was on June 12. We had a much larger population of celebrities back then.”
Wow, the Life scout is all grown up with that line.
3 out of 4 ain’t bad.
They made some amazing plays + umpire assist.
Really making it tough on Romero this inning.
“This team is so overaggressive with runners on base, and it slams the door on so many rallies and allows the opposing pitcher to go deep into games when they should have been out of there earlier.”
I agree. This is the one thing that the Sox offense does well, even though they don’t have better hitters than the Yankees.
When the Sox put runners on base in a crucial moment of the game, their big guys take pitches. Pedroia, Ortiz, and Youkilis never ground out on one pitch after the pitcher has shown shaky control.
Our middle of the order guys (Jeter, Cano, and today, Tex) don’t always have that kind of patience.
Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Too much criticism of Andy today. He’s not pitching great – 4 walks is not good – but he’s a blown call and a first row HR away from only giving up 1.
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He hasn’t been good for 2 months now, despite his W-L record.
Matsui and Damon could of help, lefties kill this guy.
9 pitches are you kidding me
Romero making it look easy.
Devolved.
“Yankees have an afternoon group trip or something? They seem to be in a hurry.”
they seemed to have been sitting on the fastball this inning instead have been getting the change up. Romero is nasty.
Mark-Cant Touch This July 6th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Matsui and Damon could of help, lefties kill this guy.
Matsui yes Damon no
“He hasn’t been good for 2 months now, despite his W-L record.”
Unless you count his last start…
Better start firing up the charter. Looks like the Yanks have dinner plans in Minnesota tonight.
I get that Hughes and Ace are in the pen. Plus Wang is down so its not a good time to send Joba to Triple A. But he just wont get any better until they do.
Hokiehill July 6th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
“He hasn’t been good for 2 months now, despite his W-L record.”
Unless you count his last start…
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The 10 starts before that count too.
only 9 pitches, but Romero is at 95…should be done after this one right?
9 out to get three runs i still have faith, if Andy keeps them down. we have the good part of the order up in the 7th
“Any other organization would’ve sent Joba down to AAA.”
You know this how?
I’m shocked to see Cano batting .299 after sucking so bad these past two weeks.
Romero’s a good pitcher, not a surprise that he’s doing well.
He had 22 scoreless inning streak going until Hinske.
Actually took Pettitte one more pitch to get thru 6 than it took Romero. Who’d a think it a few innings ago?
this game has been lighting fast compared to yesterday’s 4 hour game…
Blog Poster July 6th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I’m shocked to see Cano batting .299 after sucking so bad these past two weeks.
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He’s probably hitting 1.000 in all the AB’s with no men on base, we just don’t notice.
cano needs to have the take sign be put on him he is a total moron. 2 and 0 and according to gamecast pitch 3 borderline at best, but he swings. instead of 3 and 0, it is 2 and 1 and the rest is history. he needs to be treated differntly then damon and jeter, he has no eye and plate discipline…
they need baserunners a guy gets to firstwith a walk or a single the same, cano cannot understand this……………….
Carl-
Damon can hit ANYTHING! LOL
What is Romero’s pitch count? Any chance of getting to the bullpen soon?
Pedroia, Ortiz, and Youkilis never ground out on one pitch after the pitcher has shown shaky control.
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You have anything to back this up?
This is why Joe G did not need to be ejected. Why is Andy still in the game?
thunk > think
Nail.
Coffin.
Wow. John McDonald. Brilliant.
Great point about Joba Pete! He seems to be much more arrogant this year. When he was the 8th inning guy, he seemed almost “awww gosh, I am just happy to be here” and now he is very much “I threw the ball great today….I take everything away from every start…..they hit great pitches….”
He needs to be given a wake up call. He had a great season as the setup man…other then that, 2 great starts and a bunch of 3-5 IP clunkers are hardly enough to make you Johan Santana.
Ugh-
I just smacked myself on the forehead when Andy gave up that HR
John MacDonald? Really? John MacDonald?
so the Jays take 1 out of 4 in the bronx. It happens.
Pettitte’s done…
Girardi is trying to save the bullpen for Minnesota? What other reason for stretching Pettitte so far?
Speaking of Pettitte, Sterling just said, “Other than that (the three-run homer), Andy’s pitched a terrific game.” Then McDonald homers. Oh, well.
johny mac a total loser takes pettitte to the house.
embarrasing is a under statement..
WOW
Garbage start to the inning!
Not too much criticism at all. He had a chance to overcome a bad call by getting Rios out. Instead, he gave a 3 run bomb and put the team in a 4 run hole. That’s not good pitching.
If he can give them 7, he helps rest the pen.
Overall though, not a good job. Too many walks, and HR’s.
Sorry Wave, giving up a HR to John McDonald is not good pitching.
In fact, it’s pretty bad.
This is why you don’t go 3-2 on the leadoff hitter!
Why wait until 3-2 to “challenge” the hitter? Throw strike 1 instead!
Is there a way to only pitch Andy in the road games? That would be amazing. Haha
I know as a fan you want the Yankees to win every game. But let this one go what are you going to do when the umps cost you 4 runs. You just won a 4 game series look forward to CC tomorrow night.
Now we are going to watch Andy walk a guy and give up a hit just to give the reliever a challenge. It’s the same old thing with Giardi.
andy is just taking one for the team at this point…
That wasn’t Andy’s fault. He shouldn’t have been out there in the first place. coming back on the mound with almost 100 pitches? What are they thinking?
Andy is still in the game because Joba couldn’t do his job yesterday.
girardi is out of the game. pay attention!!!
go to the pen now
I think Kay and Butterfield are an item. He drools over him everytime they play the Jays.
The umps didn’t cost us 4 run. Andy did.
let’s hope our bullpen is 4 runs better than theirs…
stuart a
July 6th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
johny mac a total loser takes pettitte to the house.
embarrasing is a under statement..
WOW
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Maybe you should “root” for another team since you are so embarrassed.
Johnny Mac is probably a much better player than you. So don’t call him a loser
Bad job giving up 5 runs on just 5 hits to a team that isn’t known for having a lot of power.
not sure what there is to cheer about…6 innings 5 runs and a ton of walks. it is not rocket science, obviously the wind is carrying balls out of the ballpark. there is nothing andy can do about that, but he can walk less guys, that he can control
Did Joba really say that no matter how he pitches, he still has a job tomorrow? (or words to that effect?)
if for no other reason than his confidence, I hope Bruney can pitch well here…
id say it was a good calculated risk to keep andy in there to start the 7th…with mcdonald and scutaro coming up, you take your chances to try to get a couple outs figuring they cant hurt you with one swing of the bat and you have a depleted pen…they got burned
overall jsut a bad game. umps terrible
pettitte a C.
offense so far a poor grade.
decison making(jeter attempted steal, not taking pitches, etc.) D
still come back but looks like the umps wanted to get out of town as bad as the yanks….
Ha Cano is hitting .352 with the bases empty and .196 with risp
I’ll take 3 of 4 anytime.
Andy doesn’t pitch well at home. The numbers don’t lie.
That’s why yesterday’s win was so important.
Once you win a series, anything after that is liveable.
“our” 8th inning guy gets to come in with a 5-1 deficit.. Poor job by Andy today, but i’m not surprised.. He puts a ton of guys on base and has a 4 plus ERA to begin with.
Pettitte was terrible today. Forget the bad calls, by the umpires. He has to be better than that.
Now you have to burn the bullpen, when you don’t have an off day.
Lousy job by Pettitte.
“Sorry Wave, giving up a HR to John McDonald is not good pitching.
In fact, it’s pretty bad.”
Well I posted that comment before MCDonald hit it – in fact before Andy came out for the 7th, as I’m sure you knew. And I didn’t say Andy pitched well – just that he didn’t deserve all the criticism, as I’m sure you knew too.
But what do you care, for you its all about winning series, I thought…
m July 6th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Did Joba really say that no matter how he pitches, he still has a job tomorrow? (or words to that effect?)
Pretty much yeah. You can go to yesterdays game thread then Ctrl+F zshare and find the audio Pel uploaded.
again this depleted pen canard.. who is depleted Aceves cannot pitch… who else is overworked?
no one..
people jsut regurgatate falsehoods….
“Did Joba really say that no matter how he pitches, he still has a job tomorrow? (or words to that effect?)”
no he said that he knws he tried his hardest and when he wakes up the next day he knws he still has a job…not that it os irrelevant how he pitches
What happens if the Yankees make the playoffs as a WC team? They CANNOT have Pettitte and Joba as their #3 and #4 starters at home. They have what, 3 combined wins at the stadium?
The Yankees have to win the division so that those two can make starts on the road, where they actually pitch great.
Yes Joba did say that……i never thought id say it, but it seems like this rotation has turned into CC, AJ, then pray for rain……
again burn the pen. bruney has about 3 innings in 9 days…
tomko burn him out, who give a cr-p, he stinks..
burning the pen out is nonsense, the use of the pen this year has been good…
Thanks, guys. I’ll listen to it later.
bruney needs to hold them here…
96 pitches is not too much for Andy. No reason for him not to start the 7th.
With Bruney still scuffling, this is a good game to get him work.
It’s also why Hughes is in the pen the rest of the way.
Imagine if the team didn’t have the new guys CC and AJ – no one knew in March that Wang, Joba, and Pettitte would struggle so much during the season.
CC………….AJ…………Pray for rain
Chris July 6th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Yes Joba did say that……i never thought id say it, but it seems like this rotation has turned into CC, AJ, then pray for rain……
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Yet somehow the team has 49 wins, the 3rd best in MLB.
Pettitte is doing what you’d expect a #5 starter to do. What did you all think it was gonna be like this year with him? Compare him to other teams #5. You can’t have 5 C.C.’s in your rotation.
“96 pitches is not too much for Andy. No reason for him not to start the 7th.”
You have to keep in mind that he has back issues and he’s not going to say anything about it because he has an incentive based contract.
“Imagine if the team didn’t have the new guys CC and AJ – no one knew in March that Wang, Joba, and Pettitte would struggle so much during the season.”
Apparently Cashman did or he wouldn’t have gotten both guys.
Bruney shows us why Hughes is indispensable out of the pen right now.
What Joba meant is open to interpretation. Probably not as bad as it sounded on first listen. I don’t think he meant that no matter how badly he pitches he will always have a job. But it sounded very Kennedy-esque, and I don’t mean John or Bobby.
And now we can close the book on Andy’s start and concluded that 6 runs in 6 innings is not good in any respect except that it’s better than 6 runs in 3 innings.
When I go to LA I have to watch Andy and Joba pitch. Talk about stub hub fail
Bruney is a mystery to nobody since coming off the DL
i just hope they dont use anybody else besides tomko and d-rob to close this game
Brian Bruney. You’re awesome. Big talker.
well this is a good game to get guys work, Bruney can get 30 pitches and Tomko could even get some work.
Phil, Yussse, Mo go pack it up.
Bruney shows us why Hughes is indispensable out of the pen right now.
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Which is funny, because Andy Pettitte showed us why we need Hughes in the rotation
Sure, 3/4 is great- it was a terrific homestand. However, this team has major, major problems now. You can’t carry a pitcher who can’t pitch at home, a kid who throws 100 pitches in 4 innings and now a major ? in the rotation. Not only that, but Bruney is really stinking up the joint. This is a unhappy ending to a very good homestand because the Yankees have major concerns now.
Chris July 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
CC………….AJ…………Pray for rain
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They’re playing at the Metrodome.
Bob(the original) July 6th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Chris July 6th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Yes Joba did say that……i never thought id say it, but it seems like this rotation has turned into CC, AJ, then pray for rain……
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Yet somehow the team has 49 wins, the 3rd best in MLB.
Pettitte is doing what you’d expect a #5 starter to do. What did you all think it was gonna be like this year with him? Compare him to other teams #5. You can’t have 5 C.C.’s in your rotation.
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Pettitte’s supposed to be your 4th starter. He’s a veteran that’s ahead of Joba.
And with Wang down, he’s the de facto #3 starter.
A 5 ERA with a 1.7 WHIP out of your #3/#4 starter isn’t gonna cut it.
Wave,
Even you can’t sell Andy pitched well today because he didn’t.
You are right, it is all about winning series to me.
Especially when the guy starting Game 4 of the series has pitched poorly at home this year.
So in all the Yankees have 2- #5 starters in the rotation? That can’t be good to have. Now Bruney doesn’t do his job. Just an awful way to go to Minnesota and Anaheim.
“Brian Bruney. You’re awesome. Big talker.”
The good news is he’s getting his velocity up, so he’s working off the rust.
Jerkface July 6th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Bruney shows us why Hughes is indispensable out of the pen right now.
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Which is funny, because Andy Pettitte showed us why we need Hughes in the rotation
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Well, Pettitte is in the rotation for better or worse. The Yankees will just have to hope he is serviceable the rest of the way.
So I got into my meeting at 4-1 with Brett Gardner on 1st and come out to 7-1?
I think I’m going to go back in before it gets worse
This blowout actually makes me feel better than if the Yankees had lost 4-1 or 4-2. At least now the Yankees deserve to lose, and aren’t just losing because of the umpires.
However, Bruney is pitching terribly. The Yankees CANNOT take Aceves out of the bullpen for a couple of spot starts because they need him to remain a reliever right now.
Terry from NH July 6th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
So in all the Yankees have 2- #5 starters in the rotation? That can’t be good to have. Now Bruney doesn’t do his job. Just an awful way to go to Minnesota and Anaheim.
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Yep just inexcusable.
These guys should all be forced to take the Greyhound to Minnesota tonight.
Winning 10 of 12 before hitting the road is just completely inexcusable.
Bunch of worthless slackers.
It’s funny because Cashman thought he had one of the best starting rotations on paper when the season started.
Just goes to show you can never have enough starting pitching.
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Winning 3 out of 4 and putting a division rival in a major hole isn’t an “awful” way to go to Minnesota and Anaheim. Get off the ledge, for crying out loud.
Betsy,
this team doesn’t have “major, major problems”.
They have the third best record in baseball and are playing very well.
They are going to lose a game. That’s it.
Relax.
Pat M.
July 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
GB, Your absoluetly right about the positioning approach by todays umpires….When my playing days were over I began umpiring in the mid 70’s and which I still did until a few years ago…..Today they teach umps to go to a designated spot rather than floating & adjusting to obtain the best position to see and make the right call…..I’m from the old school and my grading was always in the top 5 % because I always adjust to the throw and then get in a set position…..Umps today miss so many close calls because they’re blocked out as the play develops….
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Thanks, PAT M. I’d almost compare that to player’s sloppiness/lazyness. They get to a position that’s the easiest for them to cover rather than getting into the fundamentally correct position. They can see part of the play and if it looks close, that’s what they call. Umpires like Harry Wendlestedt, Ed Hurley and even Ron Lucciano (although a bit of a showboat) were always in positstion to see glove, foot, ball and bag.
That, to me is what has to be fixed. I don’t think you can make the strike zone uniform because umpires’ eyeline will never be equal because they aren’t all the same size. What does need to be done away with are the umpires that feel like the fans come to see them and that they are the show.
Sure the Yanks have the 3rd best record in the majors, but they might go into the break with some big questions with the rotation and the bullpen. Wang injury creates a double problem with the rotation and bullpen.
Yankees are capable of putting up two runs in each of the next three innings, I’m not worried. The Blue Jays are a soft team.
Girardi gave up before the game began. He knew it that’s why he got tossed. Look at the lineup he put out there. Time for Tex to take a full day off he is struggling. Benching Matsui was terrible.
Pettitte should have never started the 7th.
Today’s potential loss is a blip on the radar.
Bruney’s streak of bad appearances is troubling. He’ll be relegated to garbage time soon.
Joba sounded Kennedy-esque? Interesting. The organization was not happy with IPK when he had attitude.
“So in all the Yankees have 2- #5 starters in the rotation? That can’t be good to have. Now Bruney doesn’t do his job. Just an awful way to go to Minnesota and Anaheim.”
OMGZZZZZZZ your right, we’ve only won 11 of the last 13 going into Minnesota and 3 of our last 4 in this series, WHAT AN ATTROCIOUS WAY to walk into Minnesota, EVEN rested our #5 or 6 hitter and our leadoff hitter.
Bruney looks sad
you guys are way to quick to over-react…there are 6 games left before the all star break…4 games off is gonna do a world of good for this team
we got CC and AJ to lead the rotation along with andy who is as good of a #4/5 youll get…joba can find himself, have a little faith…sometimes it just snaps for young pitchers and they find themselves…the biggest worry is who take the other spot..maybe cash surprises us and makes a solid trade, maybe mitre turns out to be decent, maybe ace goes in there and is good and cash trades for a reliever
the offense has scored the most runs in baseball
this is still a good team!
Rally time!
Brian Cashman , call Drayton Moore and explore the price for Bannister…Yanks need another starter…..
SJ, if you’re the Yanks, what do you try and fix first? The rotation is in shambles and Bruney can not be counted on – that’s a killer. I don’t think they can afford to use Phil as just an 8th inning guy – they need to give him more innings because he’s the most capable. Bruney had 1 rehab outing – I don’t know if he needed more time or he’s just not as good as I thought, but he’s been dreadful. The Yankees have some real issues beyind losing a game.
Terry from NH
July 6th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Sure the Yanks have the 3rd best record in the majors, but they might go into the break with some big questions with the rotation and the bullpen. Wang injury creates a double problem with the rotation and bullpen.
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The really funny part of this post is that half the people out there didn’t think Wang had any business in the rotation to begin with. Now all of a sudden his injury throws the team into “total disarray”.
“Even you can’t sell Andy pitched well today because he didn’t.”
I’m glad you admit I’m a good salesman!
But I never said Andy pitched well. What part of English do you have problems with?
Yes, let’s “punish them” for only winning 10 of their last 12.
Bad, bad Yankees.
There, I “punished” them for you.
SI_JonHeyman: mets fans are very angry … thats what im learning as a wfan fillin this aft
Mr. Brandon- Do you realize that Wang just recently went down for a potential long period of time????? I’m looking ahead.. Who cares about resting the hitters, it’s about the pitching and the fact that CC, Joba and now Andy have had terrible starts. CC i’m not worried about, but when you have 2 quality starters out of 5 then you may start to worry a little. Minnesota has a good team and some good pitching and Mauer and Morneau.. So you gonna take them lightly??? Smell the coffee!
does anybody have an email for MLB I would like to complain about 1. blackout of games and 2. today’s umpiring. thank you
Benching Matsui was terrible.
Matsui can’t play every day, not even at DH.
Rally Yanks Rally!
Melky must be the best bowler on the team. Knocks down two guys.
SJ44-
I agree this would be the 2nd loss in last 12 games and everyone is saying how bad the Yankees are. They are what, 14 games over .500?
Terry from NH-
Yes, the Twins have two quality guys out of 9 in their lineup. I will start shaking in my boots now
WHEN will we get a break from MICHAEL KAY? He is terrible. I am sure he’s a nice guy, but he should NOT be doing play by play. There is a marked difference between Singy, and Kay, heck, bring back Dwayne Staats. Kay is just terrible.
Hinske!!!!!!!!
hinkse is a beast lol
3-4 against this pitching staff is more than acceptable. When your team faces The Great Halladay and the potential AL ROY pitcher, you better be prepared to split. That they take 3-4, if they lose this one, ain’t bad. Not only that, but, they’ve knocked two games off of the Boston lead in less than a week.
the rally has begun!
“Benching Matsui was terrible.
Matsui can’t play every day, not even at DH.”
Noooo I want to blow out his knees, then we can call up Shelley Duncan.
Hinske is having a good day. Too bad Pettitte/Bruney couldn’t have held the Blue Jays to 4 runs.
How the heck is Gardner out??
Great umpires!!!
SJ, I don’t care about a loss today, I really don’t. They’ve been playing great and have made up a sizeable chunk of ground on all of their rivals. The Jays pitcher was outstanding today – tip of the cap and you move on.
I’m thinking of the bigger picture – you’re not concerned about the rotation woes (we currently have 2 reliable starters) and the pen? This is not me being my usual nervous self – you can’t deny the Yanks have issues that need to be sorted out.
WTH ! BLUE !!!!
Wow, how horrible of a call is that?
THE WORST UMPIRING EVER!
NO DEBATING.
OMG…WTH…thats terrible…thats not a neighborhood call
Bruney lol
That is why Hughes is staying in the pen.
Man thes umpires are AWFUL!
Again, swinging at the first pitch with runners on base, and not having a productive at bat.
When will these hitters learn? They are sucking the life out of potentially huge rallies by not letting a tired pitcher get himself in trouble.
Erica, Wang was coming around and he eats up innings when he is on.. Sure he wasn’t great, but he was improving.. Now with Hughes embedded in the bullpen the Yanks don’t have the luxury of having a starter fill in.. So there is some concern with starting pitching.. You don’t break up the bullpen which has been great lately just to fill a void. So you Mitre and Tomko can do the job? I don’t share the same faith!
m: I don’t know if you read of skimmed the game thread (or was it the post-game thread?) but many of us very highly critical of Joba’s comments. Knuckehead was my particular word of choice.
We were possibly – probably? – a little unfair to Joba, but maybe not. Anyway, he was right in some respects: the sun did come out today and he does still seem to be employed.
Meanwhile, that wasn’t the neighborhood play, that was the neighboring borough play! Sheesh!
Hinske is the new Glenallen Hill!
These umpires have to be held accountable for this garbage.
these young umps are probably red sux fans from childhood just stickin it to us
Put in Tomko and call it a night
Sheesh. Remind me again why I avoid game threads.
The rotation is in shambles? The Yankees rotation? The team that has won 10 of its last 12? OK, well, there’s this swell team in Queens that you might like better . . . they’re playing like gangbusters.
Get it done Swishaaaa!
Seems like Romero has had enough…I know their BP has been through the ringer the past couple days but I’m not sure I’d let the kid hang out to dry much longer just to save the pen.
this just stinks big time. If I’m the Yankees I make a tape of this game and mail it in to whoever looks at these things. But, then again, does that end up hurting you more?
So, Bruney didn’t do well, but at least he wore down some more of that “rust,” right? Gotta look at the bright side.
Again, this game is not over. Can the Yankees get to the bullpen?
I like this team. win or lose they never give up.
Would be a good time for Swish to run into one.
Do the umps pity the Jays that much to just give them all these calls?
So that makes it 4-2 Jays with the bases loaded and no outs if there was a competent umpiring crew.
“THE WORST UMPIRING EVER!
NO DEBATING.”
That’s why I’m not blaming the Yankees today
Wow, there’s the neighborhood play and then there’s just awful umpiring.
“Yes, the Twins have two quality guys out of 9 in their lineup. I will start shaking in my boots now”
They have 2 allstars who are probably the best at their respective positions in the AL. But they also have some other very good players. Denard Span is an excellent leadoff hitter with solid OBP skills (.380) and speed. Cuddyer is a good ballplayer. Crede gives them a little thump at third base. Pitching’s been pretty good, pen is solid and they play good defense. Not an easy team to beat on the green concrete.
Don’t have any problems with English.
Trying to sell a starter doesn’t deserve crticism for putting the team in an early 4 run hole is going to warrant criticism. Even for a guy like Andy Pettitte.
Betsy,
you tee it up and play tomorrow. That’s it.
Nothing to fix right now.
CC and AJ the next 2 days with a rested pen. Look to win those games and win another series.
You fix things at the trade deadline.
Blown call #4 today, second one by Wally Bell who couldn’t get his fat butt into position and blew the force out call.
Nick in SF
“We were possibly – probably? – a little unfair to Joba, but maybe not. Anyway, he was right in some respects: the sun did come out today and he does still seem to be employed.”
lmao
Horrible call. 2 feet off the bag.
The umpires today are going for the cycle (screw job) today.
Terry-
I agree Wang was coming around. I wasn’t ever very concerned around him.
Mitre has been doing a nice job in SWB. You can catch lightning in a bottle. When the Yanks brought up Aaron Small in 2005 everyone laughed. The guy went 10-0 that season and was a HUGE reason they made the playoffs.
Can we have exceptions for the blogs rule of No using swear words to make your points. How can I intelligently make the point of just how horribly awful the umpires are in yankees game without using every single swear word I know. I am beyond mad right now.
Time to release Pettitte. Eat the remaining $5 million on his contract and get rid of him.
During the ASB, the Yankees need to try and lure Mussina out of retirement. He is a control, feel pitcher. He doesn’t need more than 1 rehab start.
This is garbage.
Pathetic umpiring today. T
Correction, it should be 4-3 Jays right now, not 4-2.
ellen July 6th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Sheesh. Remind me again why I avoid game threads.
The rotation is in shambles? The Yankees rotation? The team that has won 10 of its last 12?
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Winning 10/12 does not mean that the rotation has not been struggling outside of CC and AJ.
Chevy Player Of The Game
*last second write in*
The Umpires
Don’t let the umps beat us! Get em Swish!
The calls may or may not change the final outcome of the game. But, this is the worst collective umpiring effort I’ve seen.
“Hinske is the new Glenallen Hill!”
So, you’re saying he’s on PEDs?
You can bet Girardi is going to rip the umpires in the postgame
Swisha!!!
Absolute garbage.
The umps cost us this game if we lose.
That should have given the Yankees a 5-4 lead. Thanks umps!
i figured with Girardi out of the way and Pena on the bench these guys would be up by 25 runs by now…the players respond so well to him…
there they go again swinging at the first pitch
we still in it 3 for 3 for swish!
Should be nobody out. Come on, stick it to the umpires by rallying.
It’s pretty funny that in May some media members and some posters here actually considered Toronto a legitimate team.
This is NOT a knock again my pretend boyfriend, Johnny Damon but…
I love Swish in the #2 hole
Mixed feelings here. League’s a local kid.
But the Yankees need to pick up Andy, Bruney, the robbed hits, and the umps.
Let’s go Yankees.
Tex is getting really fooled by changeups in the dirt.
Tex is looking bad.
He’s Due
Matsui should be in the game, but, whatever, right?
Tex needs a day off
You all have to get on Swisher for swinging at the first pitch. When will they learn?
Dear Yankees,
Please score some runs here.
Thank you,
Erica
Teix is not Teix today.
You all have to get on Swisher for swinging at the first pitch. When will they learn?
Lets go Alex make it closer!!!
Has Michael Kay asked Cone the same questions as he did yesterday?
“i figured with Girardi out of the way and Pena on the bench these guys would be up by 25 runs by now…the players respond so well to him…”
lol. i was thinking that as well.
An A-Bomb would be nice here.
Erica – newly OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
This is NOT a knock again my pretend boyfriend, Johnny Damon but…
I love Swish in the #2 hole
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This is a family blog, watch it
or not.
I can take close calls because those generally even out in the end. But Scutaro didn’t even touch the bag and he knew it which is why he ran back to tag out.
CLUTCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terrible job by Tex and Arod.
It should be 4-3
lame
That’s why Teix is not an all-star
Wayy too streaky. When he is hot, he is the best player in the league. When he is cold, anyone can get him out
Morneau and Miguel Cabrera were robbed.
that was about the easiest 2 k’s you could have…the ump errors loom even larger now
vb: Struggling, sure. Shambles? Hyperbole. This team is not going to win every game. Neither is anyone else.
Lets they can hold the score. 2 innings to score 4 runs.
Another bad call that inning.. what are we up to now? 4 or 5 terrible calls this game?
Yeah Pettitte and Bruney pitched poorly but come on, if the umps make the correct calls this is a LOT closer.
tex and cano need days off
“Dan LI
July 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
That’s why Teix is not an all-star”
LOL at this srsly LOL.
Fanning Tex and Arod on six pitches with the game somewhat in the balance? Pretty good effort by that kid.
should be 7-4 with that phantom call at 2nd.. I wonder if Tex and Arod can get hot at the same time? Haven’t seen that in quite some time.
“It’ll be interesting to see whether the Yankees try and paint this game as they got screwed by the umpires. Because, frankly, they didn’t. It was bad pitching by Pettitte and Bruney.”
bruney was terrible but you cant say andy did not get screwed, thats not fair
fail
Bad day for the boys in blue.
When you have that many fat guys working as umpires, you can’t expect them to get in position to make calls.
They have been bad throughout MLB all year and Selig has his head in the sand on the issue.
It’s not just happening to the Yankees. Teams get hosed every night by these guys.
It’s a leaguewide problem.
Dan LI
Why are you letting us know this? Tell Bud Selig this splendid information.
ellen July 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
vb: Struggling, sure. Shambles? Hyperbole. This team is not going to win every game. Neither is anyone else.
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They could always turn it around, but Pettitte should stop walking guys and Joba needs to stop nibbling. Either have no guarantee of happening.
Morneau and Cabrera had a chance to make the team. Not Tex’s fault the Yankee fans stepped up to the plate.
Middle of the lineup has just been flat out awful today. Those were pretty much the at bats that would determine whether we would still be back in this game, and they went down each on very few pitches, looking awful doing so.
But that’s what happens when you squander opportunities early in a game and try to come back in the late innings. You can’t always pull it off, and you have to show up for 9 innings. The first inning embarrassment looms very large in this game.
Say what you want about the umpires, but PETTITTE still served up 2 deep flies that scored 4 of those runs. He has to stop crying about the missed call and hunker down and get the last out of the inning.
Yankee fans chanting USA? You have to be kidding me.
m July 6th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Morneau and Cabrera had a chance to make the team. Not Tex’s fault the Yankee fans stepped up to the plate.
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Yep, it’s more an indictment on the system and those team’s fans that their players weren’t voted in, and not Tex.
SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
They have been bad throughout MLB all year and Selig has his head in the sand on the issue.
It’s not just happening to the Yankees. Teams get hosed every night by these guys.
It’s a leaguewide problem.
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Yep.
I have a buddy who’s a pretty level headed Orioles fan and he is still irate over that last Boston series.
Jeter stinks. lol
AJ has stepped up… now it’s time for CC to do so as well. They need to be dominant and we need to win their starts.
Robertson is the man.
>Because, frankly, they didn’t.
Because, frankly, Hinske getting thrown out on a phantom force is not the umpires fault.
“It should be 4-3.”
No, it should be 5-4 Yanks. Jeter was safe and should have scored in the first inning, and Hinske was safe in the sixth inning, so a run should have scored on Jeter’s walk before Swish even got the 2-run single.
Tex is cold right now.
what the hell? a yankee throwing strikes today?!
Colorful July 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
AJ has stepped up… now it’s time for CC to do so as well. They need to be dominant and we need to win their starts.
CC has been fine. He doesn’t need to “Step up”
I’m going this far out to say if not for these umpires attempting the first ever blown call cycle (BCC) we’d be winning this game.
We will win. More rally time!
Come on, Pete. You can say the bad call in the 3rd doesn’t take away the HR that Andy gave up, but two calls have no taken two runs off the board for the Yankees. At least.
figured id throw this one out there again
CC, AJ, pray for a 3 day rainstorm
good job Robertson
“No, it should be 5-4 Yanks. Jeter was safe and should have scored in the first inning, and Hinske was safe in the sixth inning, so a run should have scored on Jeter’s walk before Swish even got the 2-run single.”
4-3 us not them.
When or if Robertson ever gets complete command of his pitches, he would be a great late inning bridge. Right now, it’s not there. Until then, they’ll continue to use him to stop the bleeding.
UPDATE, 3:28 p.m.: It’ll be interesting to see whether the Yankees try and paint this game as they got screwed by the umpires. Because, frankly, they didn’t. It was bad pitching by Pettitte and Bruney.
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Sorry Pete, but that’s not right. The Yanks have the offense to overcome bad pitching. But not to overcome bad pitching and bad umpiring. Yes Pettitte and Bruney played their role in it, but this is a different game if the umps did their job right.
d-rob is nasty in low leverage situations lol
Why does scutaro always laugh when he’s hitting?
I think it’s pointless to say “if this and if that the score would be x-x”. HOWEVER I will say IF the umpires made all the correct calls the score would probably be very close right now.
GB hopefully D-Rob can develope into a Saito type RP.
Right now, I trust Tomko more than Bruney.
No one knows how to hit behind Alex. It must be a curse!
“It’ll be interesting to see whether the Yankees try and paint this game as they got screwed by the umpires.”
Yankees won’t do it. Whining about umps is a fan thing. Yankees are more professional than that.
Cano!!!
Cano is a beast with no men on base.
I’m amazed that with the Yankees and Cano’s luck right now, that ball wasn’t caught.
Atta boy Cano! Bring him home. 4 runs is not insurmountable and after those horrid calls I want to win so badly!!!
It works both ways with the umps.
Anyone need to be reminded of Burnett’s first game against the Mets?
The umpiring in all of baseball is at a low point.
We can go over the blown calls today
3B Jetes was safe
2B Hinske was clearly safe
1B Jetes
HP Andy was screwed w/ the strikezone
A blown call cycle by the umps today.
It should be 17-3 Yankees! I’m giving them 3 because Andy didn’t look sharp to me.
Bat Cano leadoff. lol
Its amazing to me how some people post ONLY when the team is losing.
Its also quite amusing how certain posters panic with each loss.
“The rotation is in shambles”. I mean, what can you say when you see this? Laughable.
What’s that sound I hear? Prescription bottles rattling open as the Lohud readers calm their nerves with some Xanax, Paxil, other anti-anxiety or anti-depressant of their choice.
Wow the middle of the lineup has been brutal today.
The 3-6 hitters are 2 for 15 with 0 walks, 0 RBI and 7 strikeouts.
Girardi will use Tomko in the 9th and the Jays will take on a couple of runs and win
I think its safe to say the pitching AND the umpiring had a hand in this one.
Pettitte and Bruney were awful as were the umpires.
Kind of a reverse shared, Chevy “Villains” of the Game!
Pete is exactly correct re: Joba.
The act is old and needs to change.
If not, Scranton awaits.
Nobody is bigger than the team. Even Joba.
Somehow, the New York Yankees survived a lot of years without Joba Chamberlain. If they need to survive another month or two because this kid doesn’t get it, so be it.
Its up to JOBA to change, not the team and how they handle him.
Hopefully, he will.
However, his act is wearing thin with a lot of people in the organization. I sure hope he realizes it or he may get a rude awakening this summer.
I’ll give you three runs. It’s still 7-6. They pitched poorly. The umpires had nothing to do with all those walks and extra-base hits. And Jeter was foolish to try and steal third.
RalphieD (OPPC) July 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
d-rob is nasty in low leverage situations lol
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true lol
ofcourse !
Millar
When did Millar and Bautista become gold glovers?
The Yankees DID have bad pitching, no doubt, but the umpiring today has be TERRIBLE and has affected the outcome of the game so far. If the Yankees come back and win, they overcame adversity. But anyone who says the umps didn’t influence the outcome are DEAD WRONG.
The entire Jays team have turned into Gold Glovers.
I hate you Millar!
You know its not your day when two minus defenders like Bautista and Millar make 3 plays that save 4-5 runs from scoring today.
When did the jays defense get so good
horrible
Did the person who Jeter “threw” out at second score?
“UPDATE, 2:52 p.m.: Andy’s line so far: 6 4 4 4 4 3. Or as Joba Chamberlain would term it: just tremendous.”
HA HA HA I just saw this.
GJ Hinske
Hinske’s had a helluva debut.
Come on gardner…
ooops I mean Damon.
Lets go Damon!
Come on Johnny!!!!!
this will back fire, Gardenhoser prbly was due
UPDATE, 3:28 p.m.: It’ll be interesting to see whether the Yankees try and paint this game as they got screwed by the umpires. Because, frankly, they didn’t. It was bad pitching by Pettitte and Bruney
Just an absolutely ridiculous statement. First of all Pettitte did not pitch poorly. He was screwed by the umpire on the out on second and then proceeded to give up a yankee stadium special HR to left. Weak pop out in any other stadium. Bruney on the other hand was just plain terrible.
We need a cheapie HR in RF from Damon ASAP. Or better yet, a walk by Damon and then a cheapie HR in RF by Jeter
Hey Pete, you gotta admit, the yanks 3-5 in the rotation are all 5 inning question marks…its gonna tax the pen the rest of the year
I think you could debate whether or not the yankees have been screwed by the umpires. They have pitched poorly, but with the right calls the score would be at least 5-4 Yanks based on what’s happened.
You can survive 1 or 2 bad calls, but not 4-5.
You can survive 1 or 2 web gems, but not 4-5.
The walks? Tough in this stadium.
damon 0-10 against accardo
Smart move by Toronto… pitch Hinske carefully because he can put one in the seats
Garder is no threat at all. Just overpower him with fastballs down the middle and he will hit a lazy fly ball (or a ball to the warning track, if it is to right field).
It’s kind of sad that the score is entirely a product of umpire incompetence. It’s no excuse but without their miscues the Yankees might actually be winning the game!
“this will back fire, Gardenhoser prbly was due”
My thoughts exactly.
# Peter Abraham July 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I’ll give you three runs. It’s still 7-6. They pitched poorly. The umpires had nothing to do with all those walks and extra-base hits. And Jeter was foolish to try and steal third.
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I’m not disputing Pettite and Bruney were awful today.
But to say that the bad umpiring didn’t have an effect on this game is wrong.
Who knows how the complexion of the game may have gone if any of those had been called right?
You don’t know.
You can’t just dismiss horrible calls like the ones today when it comes to their role in the outcome of a game.
Mark-Cant Touch This
July 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
damon 0-10 against accardo
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he is due for a biggie.. come on Johnny!
Lets go Jeter!!
Bases loaded!
Pinch hit hit by pitch for Damon, and the tying run is up.
“this will back fire, Gardenhoser prbly was due”
fail
I still like the idea of 1 video review like in football.
Actually I’d much prefer better umpiring better but there are too many game changing errors on the part of the umps.
I remember once I umped a practice game for my fathers senior league. I blew a call so bad it still pains me.
It as the 3rd baseman’s fault as he didn’t do what everybody in the world thought he was going to do.
I also rang up a 70 year old guy with a pitch near his shoulders. Curveballs are hard to call!
Loaded for Jete!
How about a nice double down the RF line?
Jetes better strike out, because another blown close call and I think he might swing at an ump today.
My pretend boyfriend better not be hurt
Either of those HBPs could have been run-scoring wild pitches.
If you want to look at the glass half-empty.
Half full? BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!
no ground out Jeter!
How about the Yankees WIN so we don’t have to argue about why they lost.
so gameday says bases loaded jetes. Eeeek im nervous. He got too many hits yesterday
so gameday says bases loaded jetes. Eeeek im nervous. He got too many hits yesterday
so gameday says bases loaded jetes. Eeeek im nervous. He got too many hits yesterday
so gameday says bases loaded jetes. Eeeek im nervous. He got too many hits yesterday
“fail”
the way this game is going it won’t be a fail trust me. I see one more amazing play to stop us happening today.
Jeter hasn’t gotten a clutch hit in months.
This AB will be no different.
It’s a credit to the offense that they’ve stuck with it despite being screwed by the umps and improbable GG defense for most of the game.
I want Jeter to hit the cheapest of all cheap homeruns in RF, just to piss off the Jays.
I’d like baseball to use the technology they use in tennis for the down the line calls.
Definitely should use replay for the umps basepath calls. Video don’t lie, and would take 15 seconds on a handheld device.
NYY626-
I know you are serious. You posted that 4 times. LOL
Pardon me for not feeling optimistic.
Magic July 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Jeter hasn’t gotten a clutch hit in months.
This AB will be no different.
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I need to ask you for some lotto numbers in that case.
Lets go Jeter!!!
Michael Kaye, the king of jinx is at it again LOL
PA you don’t know anything bro. The Yankees got screwed today bottom line, i don’t care what else happens. TOday is a classic example of why you should give each manager two challenges per game and let them use them on home runs or safe or out cfalls on the bases. The Yankees win today if it weren’t for cheating umpires. Complete , utter bs
clearly my work computer is terrible. If this posts again 4x, im sorry!
Yes!!!!!!!!
3 more!
Jeter with a RBI walk. Baton passed to Swish.
alright a walk!
We should be winning this game right now, EASILY.
great patience by the captain.
lets go swish!
ok so Swish will make the last out. Kaye continues to jinx us on tv.
Tying run on base, let’s see if somebody can get a big hit today.
Well that was eventful and uneventful.
Give up a run to face Swisher?
ahh Swisher, why?
rally killer
First pitch come on swish
Swish got under that one.
Bad job by Swisher. He got a pitch to hit, but was trying to hit a homerun instead of just a single.
Oh, that was tantalizingly close.
dammit
Wow how you miss a FB right down the middle?
>UPDATE, 4:05 p.m.: Big spot for Swisher. Does he work the count?
spoke too soon
Swish you’re a walk machine why did you swing!
that was a great pitch to swing at
Stupid.
Just walks Jeter and Swisher swings at the first pitch?
Way to go Mr. Moneyball.
Come on you guys knew that was gonna happen the minute Kaye started talking.
That was absolutely terrible by Swisher.. Guy has control issues and he bails him out! Game right there!!
The lowly goal of Andy eating up innings is mission accomplished,unfortunately he threw the game away too!!
Andy isn’t able to pitch in the new stadium,and that’s in his head!Like ANDY,but bad outing.
explain that strategy to me, someone…1st pitch after an rbi walk….???
I don’t blame Swish too much…he got the pitch he wanted and just got under it. 1/4 of an inch and Mo is coming in!
Magic July 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Jeter hasn’t gotten a clutch hit in months.
This AB will be no different.
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I will assume you arent serious. If not, please extend your memory way way way back to yesterday when he got the game winning homerun.
Swish
dam, 5 men left of base in the last 2 innings
I will never understand the logic of a guy who hits .200 with RISP swinging at the first pitch with the bases loaded after Frasor walks in a run.
He has 2 HR’s at home this year. He’s not a HR threat.
Take a strike and work a count.
That’s why he is a troublesome offensive player.
Wrong approach=wrong result.
“Wow how you miss a FB right down the middle?”
Wow how do you ask such a terrible question.
This entire team seems to forget how to hit when they see runners in scoring position.
How many times are these guys going to keep swinging at the first pitch with runners on base?
HE JUST WALKED IN A RUN, TAKE A FREAKING PITCH. Swisher should know better than to do what he just did. I don’t care how hard he hits it, with your 3 and 4 hitters up behind you, don’t swing at the first pitch and let the pitcher get out of it without having to work.
The guy just WALKED IN A RUN. He is clearly struggling, working very hard, and more apt to make a mistake. Let him get himself in trouble.
These guys hit poorly with RISP for a reason- They are so overaggressive. What if he walked in another run too? Swisher has one of the best eyes on this team, it is inexcusable to swing at the first pitch!
It’s interesting that you post rules about posting, then take shots at the posters in your game track.
Hey look, the game would be tied if the UMPIRES DID THEIR JOB. You know, the one they get paid well to do, as well?
People have been killing Swisher for going to the plate looking to walk in a key at bat a few games back. He knew Frasor had to bring it and he just missed a hitter’s pitch. Result sucks, but the approach was better than looking for a walk.
Well lets hold them and go for it in the ninth. Lets hope tex wakes up and starts the inning with a good ab
Who cares if it was a hittable first pitch. Guy has command issues and Swish turns into Cano. That was just bad!
In spite of everything the NYY brought the go ahead run to the plate in the 8th. No quit in these guys!
If swish doesnt miss that pitch mo is pitching now…. wow so close…
And yeah, it sucks when a good fastball masher takes a swing at a middle, down fastball.
Other than Hinkse, Swisher has been the entire offense today. That was a bad at-bat but keep it in perspective…
Of course he would be safe!
Swisher did what he did and rightfully so, considering how Teixeira has been swinging the bat today.
I still say these umps cost us this game today.
“I will never understand the logic of a guy who hits .200 with RISP swinging at the first pitch with the bases loaded after Frasor walks in a run.
He has 2 HR’s at home this year. He’s not a HR threat.
Take a strike and work a count.
That’s why he is a troublesome offensive player.
Wrong approach=wrong result.”
i usually agree with you SJ but your argument doesnt make any concrete sense..by your same logic, swinging at the first pitch is a good idea because frasor just walked jeter and doesnt want to get behind the next batter. Swisher got a great pitch to hit and just missed it…if he gets a hit your not saying a thing..btw he just got a hit last ab with the bases loaded on the first pitch
just one of those games
I wouldn’t say he’s not a home run threat (on pace for 28 HRs), but the best part of his offense is his ability to work the count. Terrible at bat with the game on the line.
He got a pitch to hit and got under it. We’re talking one or one and a half inches from a grand slam. That’s baseball.
I am pretty disgusted. Every time I see obvious blown calls like today, I always wonder why umpires are like the only profession where you have 100% job security. Blowing easy calls like today really questions the integrity of the game. You never hear about any umps getting docked pay, I guess they can get reassigned or something I don’t know. But no professional ump five feet away from those plays should miss those. It just shouldn’t happen and there’s no excuse. When one call can change the result of the game, and you can miss the playoffs by one game, and you have the technology to get these calls right…. you have to do it. It’s an area in which baseball still lags behind some of the other sports and it’s frustrating. You don’t have to slow down the game with it if you limit the process.
Just find a way to get Hinske up to bat in the 9th, he will lead us to Victory
Swisher pulled a Cano,bases loaded 2 outs a swing at the first pitch for a guaranteed out!
“In spite of everything the NYY brought the go ahead run to the plate in the 8th. No quit in these guys!”
Even while getting screwed they didn’t quit.
>That was a bad at-bat but keep it in perspective…
The pitcher couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat and walked a run in. Bases loaded.
Swing at the first pitch. Kill the rally.
Perspective.
UPDATE, 4:06 p.m.: I don’t get it, I just don’t. Swisher is supposed to be Mr. Patience. Frasor walks in a run and he hacks at the first pitch and pops it up. And it was low. Pin that on the umpires, too? 10 LOB.
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If you really think that bad calls didn’t play a role in the outcome of this game I don’t know what to say to you Pete.
No one is saying they were the only reason the Yanks are likely gonna lose.
How can you sit there and say that this game would have played out the same if those calls were made right?
Don’t you watch baseball games for a living afterall?
Those of you complaining about Swisher swinging at the first pitch weren’t complaining when he swung at the first pitch the prior at bat and got an RBI single. He swung at a fastball down the middle and just got under it. It happens. At least be consistant.
I don’t get how Pete assumes the Yanks are going to pin this game on the umps.
Does anyone really think that’s going to happen?
Pettitte knows he didn’t pitch well. He wouldn’t have been as bad if he didn’t wak five hitters.
Bruney was overthrowing and didn’t have his command either.
That AB really showed how much we miss Nady.
You think Nady swings at the first pitch with the bases loaded?
Pel,
Jeter had to foul off a lot of pitches to get that walk, you are exaggerating how wild Frasor was.
Anyways, I already acknowledged the fact that it was a bad at-bat.
Frasor walked Jeter but it wasnt easy. Swisher might strike out in the same sequence. He got a pitch right down the middle. you swing at that.
You kill him for looking for walks, but now he should be looking for a walk? Part of plate discipline is swinging at good pitches. That might have been the only pitch to hit all AB.
Why didnt matzui pinch hit for swisher?
Sevrx July 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
That AB really showed how much we miss Nady.
You think Nady swings at the first pitch with the bases loaded?
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Didn’t hear a lot of complaints when he hit a 2 run single in the exact same situation.
Nick Swisher and Robinson Cano are the two worst hitters on the team hitting with RISP.
He has 2 HR’s at home this year.
A HR swing on the first pitch is a bad approach.
Make Frasor throw strikes because he was having trouble throwing strikes.
He did the same thing in the same situation in FL and hit into a first pitch DP. I believe he did the same thing in the Seattle series.
Just don’t agree with the approach because he’s not a good hitter in those situations. I’d rather he work a count and make Frasor have to work to beat him.
Instead, he got himself out.
Can Alby win the battle? Yes he does.
The Yankees were 5-1 before dropping the finale of a four-game series with the Toronto Blue Jays on Monday.
wow article already predicting a loss today?
Sevrx
July 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
That AB really showed how much we miss Nady.
You think Nady swings at the first pitch with the bases loaded?
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Is there any real point in comparing Swisher to Nady right now?? Sadly, Nady is probably done in pinstripes
Also, Swish goes to a full count is something like 40% of his at bats. So lets give him some slack for his swing at the first pitch on a straight down the middle fastball.
haiku-man
July 6th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Swisher pulled a Cano,bases loaded 2 outs a swing at the first pitch for a guaranteed out!
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And, yet, it was ok when he swung at a first pitch, bases loaded situation in his last at bat and had a two run single.
Jeter swung at the first pitch too. Fouled it off. Just saying…
Come on Alby! then its Tex, Arod, and Posada vs. The Rays closer
Alby should be fined for slow play.
can we cut Bruney some slack,he just came back from a injury & he may be a little rusty
YankeeJosh July 6th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Jeter swung at the first pitch too. Fouled it off. Just saying…
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Don’t let facts get in the way of Swish-bashing, now…
Wasn’t a bad pitch to swing at either. It’s actually not a half-bad idea to swing at the first pitch after a bases-loaded walk. You know the pitcher will try to get one over the plate.
Nady would be swinging first pitch definitely. Nady had more plate appearances of 1, 2, or 3 pitches than all other #’s combined last year
GJ!!
TIME FOR #27 July 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Why didnt matzui pinch hit for swisher?
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Um, because he has three hits today and has been on base four times.
Are you going to take someone out in the middle of a 3-for-4 game and just brought the team within striking distance last inning?
Good work from Alby.
Major problem at work. I lent my scissor to someone before I went on vacation and I don’t remember who. ARGH!
Do the Yankees have a rally in their bones? – MK
YankeeJosh July 6th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Jeter swung at the first pitch too. Fouled it off. Just saying…
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That’s Jeter’s game and he has a track record of being darn good at it.
It’s not Swisher’s game at all. That is why his 2 former teams were so willing to get rid of him.
Well at least Mo, Hughes and Coke are all rested
again
stop blaming the umpires.
the better team has won. You don’t stand a chance in the 9th inning.
You had a change to sweep and you choked! No Overbay. No Lind. We STILL beat you.
joeman July 6th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
can we cut Bruney some slack,he just came back from a injury & he may be a little rusty
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Can we cut joeman some slack since you were the guy who said this team would be 8-9 games back by Memorial Day?
Wow. Can’t believe getting on Swish. If we lose the game, it’s on the pitching, with an assist from the umps.
No, I don’t think anyone is pinning that on the umpires. What people are pinning on the umpires is the blown call on Jeter at 3rd that would have been a run, the blown out call at second that kept the inning going for Rios to hit a 3-run homer, and the blown out call at second base on Hinske, when Mcdonald wasn’t on the bag, that would have led to a run when Damon walked.
so how will it end today ?
A. triumphant victory
B. close heart breaker
C. w/o a wimper
D. extras into a close but no cigar loss
It’ll be interesting to see if the Yankees have 3 runs in em.
Walk off GS from Cano..you heard it here first. lol
Erica,
I hope that person’s not a Yankee fan…
assuming they don’t come back they went 5-2 on the homestand. I’ll sign up for that anytime.
Here’s hoping they go 4-2 on the road trip to go into the allstar break with a record of 52-36. Not to shabby.
1 more strong rally!
Let’s score 4 runs now! Somehow..
BLUE JAYS RULE July 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
stop blaming the umpires.
the better team has won. You don’t stand a chance in the 9th inning.
You had a change to sweep and you choked! No Overbay. No Lind. We STILL beat you.
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How’s 4th place taste like? Hilarious.
Doesn’t really matter if Nady was here or not. Nady wouldn’t have been hitting second today even if he was here.
As far as approach, its not just Swisher. I think guys in general should force Frasor to throw strikes. Hitting a grand slam in that situation was not what you are looking to do. Hitting a single keeps the line moving.
At this point, Nick is what he is. He can be a maddening player to watch at times because there seems to be no rhyme or reason to his approach.
That’s why his results are what they are.
Still another crack at them in the 9th.
YANKEES (48-33)
BLUE JAYS (42-41)
objective post.
Tex has to get on for us to have a chance.
Come on Tex.
Now would be a good time for a hit. A walk. Something.
Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
joeman July 6th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
can we cut Bruney some slack,he just came back from a injury & he may be a little rusty
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Can we cut joeman some slack since you were the guy who said this team would be 8-9 games back by Memorial Day?
LOL!!!!!
Put Tex, A-Rod and Cano on base and then leave the rest to Melky.
Only a Canadian would talk trash after losing 3 of 4. lol
I think guys in general should force Frasor to throw strikes.
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He did, right down the middle, and the yankees took a swing at it.
Okay, put A-Rod, Cano and Melky on base and then leave the rest to Hinske. Instant Yankees classic.
Tex needs a day off, a real day off. Come on A-Rod!
C. w/o a wimper
still a good series (minus screw job by umps)
I think any offensive gameplan should involve making the opposing pitcher throw a ball right down the middle and then put a good swing on it.
Haha perfect response GB7
He did the same thing earlier and got an RBI single.
The pitch was right down the middle of the plate, you aren’t going to get a better pitch to hit. At first it ticked me off but Swisher has a good eye and great pitch selection.
If I didn’t know that was Tex I would have sworn #25 hitting into the shift was Giambi.
I stole someone else’s scissors for the time being. I take my office supplies seriously
The Yankees need runners, the WHOLE side of the infield is EMPTY. Just bunt the ball. Mark hasn’t seen the ball well all day so why not just get on first and put the pressure on Toronto??
C. w/o a wimper
would be my choice. Al and Tex are cold today
Come on!
Only a Blue Jay fan can brag about going 1-3 in a series with the Yankees.
Well done!
Hockey season is only 3 months away, eh?
Funny how the guy that went 3 for 4 with 2 RBI is getting the most grief on here.
Posada keep it alive!
time for teix to take a seat for a game…also, down 3 and they are giving you first base and you dont take a shot at pushing one down 3rd base??
It was just supposed to be a half day off, Tex.
Why does Canada still have a team? They should move to one of the central states.
1-14 from posada tex and alex
Bruney’s implosion was the killer.
Cano its your turn!
make that 2-15
I’ll laugh if Robi gets a hit here.
Well it’s only a game,Andy ate up innings,we’ll get’em tomorrow,right? Damon almost got a day off.
Cano is up. This is done.
well, if you would have told me at the beginning of the series that the Yanks would take 3 out of 4 with one of the W’s coming against Doc, I would have taken it on the spot. No shame there…on to winning the next series.
Patrick July 6th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Funny how the guy that went 3 for 4 with 2 RBI is getting the most grief on here.
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Ridiculous, you can blame a lot of things for this game, but Swisher isn’t one of them. If it were not for his 2-run single (first pitch swinging with the bases loaded) the score remains 7-1.
2-14 sorry
The pitchers just can’t pitch at home
Move back the walls during the ASB
Cano up with man on base? Yikes.
“Bruney’s implosion was the killer.”
Really you mean the 4 blown calls by the umps did nothing ?
Yeah, this was a great series. I didn’t expect them to win 3. Very good work by the team.
You guys realize the Yankees have only 1 fewer baserunner than Toronto today?
It’s not the umpires, it’s our consistent inability to get hits with RISP. The umpires made it hard, but once again we failed to capitalize with runners on base.
Lance
July 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
The pitchers just can’t pitch at home
Move back the walls during the ASB
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Good idea
Except that’s actually NOT ALLOWED by MLB rules
Cano!!! Lets go Matsui!!!!
Oooh, game got interesting.
Bautista finally stops making GG plays, just in time.
oh look, Cano has a hit.
LOL that one you hit
Bruney still has value
Godzilla vies for the championship belt !!!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I’ll laugh if Robi gets a hit here.
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I hear you laughing from here Mr. Awesome
Bautista’s glove is no longer golden.
Need Matsui to hit one into the RF bleachers now.
finally a break i think its too little too late from the baseball Gods. You have to love this teams heart!
HRHRHRHRHRHRHRHR!!!!!!!!!!!1
LOL. Was Jorge running on contact?
so if this gets tied, Matsui goes on the field? wow….
Posada’s slow legs owe Robi an RBI.
Walk then Hinske walkoff grand slam.
Make it happen!
No matter what, they always tease.
Just a brutal day for Tex today. I honestly can’t remember a game this season that he’s looked THIS bad at the plate. If Matsui plates anything here, it will be a miracle. It’s really hard to win games when your 3-6 hitters go 2-14 until the 9th.
hhhhhmmmm
If Hinske won this game, it would be an instant Yankees Classic. Still don’t think they can win this, though. It was exciting, but the pitchers ruined it.
“Walk then Hinske walkoff grand slam.”
I think I’ll eat the control if that happens.
ransom can play the outfield..
And as a consumer of baseball entertainment, I feel like I’ve gotten my money’s worth today.
OMGODZILLA!!!!
MANOMANOMAN!!!!
Why pinch hit for Mr. Clutch 2009 when you have Hinskie coming up?
As I typed this, Matsui hit the 2-RBI single…
Matsui is on fire!
Well this team has got heart!!!!
he should’ve been in the entire game
Matsui comes through!!!
Think those blown calls matter now Pete?
7-6.
That’s the way Matsui!!!!!! No quit in this team!!
They can’t come this close and fail now… LET’S GO YANKEES!
Think if the umpires wouldn’t have screwed us now.
Wow. That run we ran ourselves out of in the first is looking awfully huge right now.
NOW can you say the umps didn’t factor into this game? Unbelievable.
Can Hinske put one into the seats and be an instant Yankee hero?
“Think those blown calls matter now Pete?
7-6. ”
My thoughts exactly.
Pinch run Pena……oh wait…nevermind.
Nobody is giving Swisher the most grief Patrick.
Some of us just don’t agree with his approach in that AB, given that he isn’t a good hitter with RISP, that’s all.
oh yeah, I totally forgot Ransom could play the corner OF, so Damon plays center? wow…
We now have more baserunners than Toronto in this game, so blaming the umpires can’t be as much of an excuse.
if arod or tex had one ounce of usefulness today this game would be ours right now
I’m NERVOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
With 2 out that’s how you have an at bat,WORK THE COUNT,Thank you MATI!
His approach was fine. See a fat pitch, hit it. That’s what he did. It’s also what he did in the previous inning and got a 2 RBI single out of it.
People are watching in the great hall? Are they morons? Why bother going to the game if you can’t sit through the whole thing?
Swisher would move to OF, Ransom at 1st
Some of us just don’t agree with his approach in that AB, given that he isn’t a good hitter with RISP, that’s all.
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But your point every other day is that his approach is poor because he looks for walks. And now you’re killin him cause he looked for his pitch and got it?
WOW are you kidding me , 50 throws to 1st, the umps have saved you all game.
Love seeing all the fans who bolt for the doors on YES watching now on the big screens.
C’mon EH!!!
I keep reminding myself to breathe….
“We now have more baserunners than Toronto in this game, so blaming the umpires can’t be as much of an excuse.”
And you only post when the team is losing. So you have zero credibility.
Did anyone else see that white apparition that went across the YES screen?
get Damon to the plate and we win.
Dang, that might have been ball 4.
DARN!!! Hinske couldn’t hold up on ball 4.
jerkface the pitcher just walked a batter with the bases loaded.
situation matterws..
Damn…that was a ball four
Take this mother out or take your base.
YAYAYAYAYAYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Came up short.
Sigh
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Damn that was ball 4. Those bad calls come back to bite us.
The game was lost because Pettitte was unable to limit the damage. The rest of it, umpires, Bruney or the other stuff like Bautista sealed it.
That’s easy ball four.
Way to go miggs. Bashing my post because you don’t like me as a poster rather than debating the point. That sure improves your credibility.
ball 5
Damn
work the count
swing at ball 4 TWICE
close heartbreaker, keep the chin up Hinske.
jerkface the pitcher just walked a batter with the bases loaded.
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stuart, jeter had to foul pitches and it was a tough AB, and he swung at the first pitch and hit it poor enough to foul.
It was a fat pitch. He missed. It was a good pitch to swing at. You’d kill him if he worked 3-2 and then struck out ‘He missed the pitch to hit!!’
I’m proud of this team
Mo, Hughes, Coke all got 3 days rest
Get them tomorrow lets go CC
That is why Hinske is a bench player.
He swung at balls last two.
A for effort…remember, we win the series…
neither pitch was close to a strike
Well, you can’t say the boys in blue didn’t have an impact on this one.
Great thing about this team this year is, they force teams to get that last out. They are in every game.
A far cry from last year.
This one’s on Pettitte, Bruney, and the umpires. Offense did all it could.
Had to see that coming from a mile away. When he swung at a pitch that was practically in the dirt, it was clear that Hinske was amped up to swing at whatever was thrown, and was aiming for the short porch. He was pressing, and completely missed on a change. Oh well. Tough loss.
two ball 4’s… Now this is a tough loss after the comeback.. I would have rather lost 7-1
his first game he had to be on nerves there. Can’t blame Hinske, this one is on the umps.
but yeah, the umpires didn’t matter…..
“That is why Hinske is a bench player.
He swung at balls last two.”
FYI, I called this reaction when we picked up Hinske…first “mistake” he makes and some one will roll on him for it…Hinske had a good game for us today, let it be
And like I said, OVERAGGRESSIVE with runners on base, and it kills them yet again.
Hinske swings at ball 4 TWICE in that at bat rather than moving the runner into scoring position and allowing Damon a shot to tie it with a single.
This team presses with guys on base and it shows. Stop with the umpire excuses. They had more baserunners than Toronto and scored fewer runs. Whose fault is that?
Again, Jeter’s boneheaded steal of 3rd in the first inning, safe or out, is the difference in the game. That run would have most likely scored if he didn’t try to do too much, but again, they are OVERAGGRESSIVE in these spots and it burns them almost every day.
So close! Now you can say that the Yankees were screwed by the umps.
Re: Swish, if he takes that first pitch and it results in an out anyway? People would be killing him for taking a meatball.
That last at-bat not-withstanding, nice debut for Dougie Hinske.
6 men left in the last 3 innings
another tease. RISP issues for a change.
a couple of bad calls.. andy dandy with 5 walks and there you go the formula for a loss.
a winnable game was lossed.
swisher should have taken strike 1. why wouldn’t he have. he does every other AB so why would he not with the bases loaded and the pitcher on the ropes? cano and him are just baseball dumb, not real complicated. i put the take sign on cano all the time, he is totally clueless…
if texiera does anything today the yankees win…..
whats he down to .260 now? he should def start the ASG over youkilis who is batting like .500
You know what you can do with your brooms now.
pettitte made it harder for the team to win. but still a good series.
easy on Bruney…he’s a little rusty
Say what you will, but this team has a lot of fight in it.
This is nothing like last year. The final score would have been 7-1 if this game was played in 2008.
Anyone who doesn’t think umps didn’t affect the game are a little delusional. Even going into the ninth if the umps made the right calls it would have been 5-4 Yankees as they cost them a run in the first, 3 with the missed Hill call and eventual Rios HR, and the blown call at second where Jeter’s walk would have led to an RBI.
The game was lost by Andy & Bruney and then he incompetent umps.
Still it is a good homestand.
If they go 4-2 on the roadtrip, that would be great going into ASB.
is that really a blue jays fan talking trash lol.
Man what a game. Valiant effort by the O. Made a game out of Pettitte and Bruneys sloppy pitching. I don’t even need to say anything about the umps.
the 3-1 was clearly a ball but you knw how easy it would of been for the ump to ring him up on that 3-2 pitch…
The last pitch was a strike. Too close to take.
Patrick,
Trying to hit a GS HR on the first pitch when you have 2 HR’s at home and are a .200 hitter with RISP after the guy just walked in a run is a bad approach.
It would be for Tex, Arod or anybody else and they are better hitters than Swisher.