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Jose Molina rehab update

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 06, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Joe Girardi said after the game that Jose Molina would play at least two more games in Trenton. He’ll DH tonight and catch tomorrow.

Two things: Molina needs the at-bats after nearly two months of relative inactivity. Plus the Yankees probably want Francisco Cervelli to catch CC Sabathia tomorrow night. Just a guess.

Meanwhile, it’s pretty grim state of affairs at Scranton when the Yankees can’t send their rehabs there because of the poor field conditions. The team has had to postpone several games this season on sunny days because of poor drainage. The question now is who pays to put in an acceptable field? If a good prospect blows out a knee because he’s playing in a swamp …

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329 Responses to “Jose Molina rehab update”

  1. RalphieD (OPPC) July 6th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    WOW..the 3rd base umpire told jeter that rolen didnt have to take him because the throw beat him? that ump should be fined or suspended…how can you give that as your explanation regardless if thats what your going by as an ump…disgraceful

  2. RalphieD (OPPC) July 6th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    tag him*

  3. Pel July 6th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Jeter’s YES post-game reaction:

    http://www.zshare.net/audio/62315688773ab09f/

    Pettitte’s and Hinske’s post-game reactions are in the last thread.

  4. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Yeah, that explanation was worse than Jeter trying to steal that base.

  5. you gotta have faith (aceves, you da man!) July 6th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    RalphieD (OPPC),

    ugh, disgusting.

  6. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Hard to believe because that facility is only a couple of years old.

    It’s not like modern day drainage systems weren’t available.

  7. RalphieD (OPPC) July 6th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    the umpires explanation basically says that he knew that rolen didnt tag him yet didnt care…thats not doing your job and should be grounds for punishment

  8. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    It may have been a blown call but Jeter did blunder by running in the first place with nobody out.

    You have to make sure you will make it and the throw beat him by plenty.

  9. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    How do you make sure you’ll going to make it until you actually try to steal the base?

  10. you gotta have faith (aceves, you da man!) July 6th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    i dont care if the throw beat him by a mile. if you dont tag the player then he is safe, end of story.

  11. Sea Net July 6th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    The rotation is in shambles… doesn’t mean the team is though. The rotation has been in shambles for us every year since 03 and it hasn’t stopped us from making the playoffs.

    Heck, we won 89 games with an awful rotation last year.

    Just as long as the offense doesn’t go through a prolonged slump like we did a couple weeks ago, we should be good. Pettitte, Joba etc. are not going to be awful everytime out.

  12. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    you gotta have faith (aceves, you da man!) July 6th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    i dont care if the throw beat him by a mile. if you dont tag the player then he is safe, end of story.

    ————

    You don’t get it. Jeter has to make sure the play isn’t even close in that situation. Take the call out of the umps hands.

    So does it make more baseball sense if Jeter got lucky that Rolen missed him with the tag?

    It would still be a base running blunder even if he had gotten away with it.

  13. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    I understand Pete’s point about not pinning it on the umpires, but it’s the umpire’s fault we lost.

    I know, I know. Good teams overcome that. But we’d have nothing to overcome w/o those blown calls.

  14. Pel July 6th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    >i dont care if the throw beat him by a mile.
    >if you dont tag the player then he is safe, end of story.

    Don’t forget Hinske’s phantom force at 2B.

    Umps had an all around bad day.

    Even the plate ump was giving Andy A LOT of leniency outside against righties.

  15. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Franco-To be fair here it was a bad play by Jeter in hindsight but if he’s safe I’m sure all here, you included, would be citing a “great slide” by Jeter.

  16. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    How do you make sure you’ll going to make it until you actually try to steal the base?

    ————

    You make sure you get a good read on the guy and make it nearly impossible for them to throw you out.

    It’s common sense in that situation.

  17. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    The rotation is not in shambles.

  18. jfinfonsfosnf July 6th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Giuseppe Franco
    July 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    It may have been a blown call but Jeter did blunder by running in the first place with nobody out.

    You have to make sure you will make it and the throw beat him by plenty.

    ——————————————–

    Yeah I agree it was a dumb decision by Jeter. You got Swisher, Teixeira, Rodriguez coming up. Jeter bailed out Romero that inning.

  19. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Franco-To be fair here it was a bad play by Jeter in hindsight but if he’s safe I’m sure all here, you included, would be citing a “great slide” by Jeter.

    ————-

    Um, no. I don’t praise players who get lucky when they do something dumb.

    Jeter is forgiven. He doesn’t do it often. But it was only luck that Jeter actually avoided the tag in the first place.

  20. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    GF,
    Again, how does a baserunner make sure he’s going to make it until he actually trys to steal the base before the pitch is thrown?

  21. Chris July 6th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Jose Molina has been a capable backup to Jorge but it’s unlikely that the Yankees will sign him to another contract beyond this year after seeing what Frankie Cervelli can do and Jesus Montero looming in the near future.
    I’d expect that Cervelli will play at least a shortened version of winter ball to upgrade his hitting skills and be ready to handle 50 or more games in 2010.
    A decision will need to be made with Austin Romine’s status. He can hit and he might be better served to learn other positions such as a corner OF.

  22. RalphieD (OPPC) July 6th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    pete is there any course of action anybody can take against the 3rd base umpire…it is wrong for him to admit that rolen did not tag jeter but called him out regardless

  23. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    “Meanwhile, it’s pretty grim state of affairs at Scranton when the Yankees can’t send their rehabs there because of the poor field conditions. The team has had to postpone several games this season on sunny days because of poor drainage. The question now is who pays to put in an acceptable field? If a good prospect blows out a knee because he’s playing in a swamp”

    Did a whole post on the field yesterday.

    It really is in horrid shape.

    They’re playing tonight, however.

  24. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    GF, the thing that was supposed to separate the Yankees from other teams was the quality and depth of their rotation. Well, that’s gone.Their offense is too inconsistent (yes, it is- we know about their problems with RISP) to overcome bad pitching. The Sox, if need be, can go to Bucholz. Phil is not even an option for us now.
    Of course the team is not in shambles – I never said that they were – but they have to deal with a brutal division and a team ahead of them that isvery good and that has excellent pitching. I just think the Yankees need some help………..they need a starter and a bullpen arm (because Bruney looks terrible).

    How’d Hinkse look? Like maybe he can help us? I was at work, so I couldn’t watch the game.

  25. TIME FOR #27 July 6th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Tex needs a week off…. 3b ump a bastard for saying what he said… cashman needs to make a trade for another starter.

  26. Rolex July 6th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    Why not play the game under protest and resume the game from the 3rd inning on?

  27. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    “You make sure you get a good read on the guy and make it nearly impossible for them to throw you out.

    It’s common sense in that situation.”

    That’s not a good explanation on your part. A baserunner could get a good read and still get thrown out depending on the pitch thrown and location.

  28. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Franco-Frankly, I don’t believe that. And I know you’re going to say “I don’t have to convince you”. But this is no knock on you, but fan have 20/20 hindsight. We’d be saying “great slide” if he were safe.

    Betsy-Hinske was 2 for 4 with a HR and a great play in right field.

  29. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    As well as a great throw by the catcher.

  30. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    TIME FOR #27-A WEEK off? No way.

  31. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    It was a bad play by Jeter. No question about that.

    However, if Wally Bell told him that, he has to be suspended because he isn’t following the rules.

    The rule isn’t, “if the ball beats him”. The rule states that a TAG has to be applied in order for him to be out.

    If an umpire doesn’t know the rule, or refuses to apply it properly, he can’t be working games.

    That’s an awful explanation for missing the call.

  32. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Well, everyone’s gonna get four days off next week.

    Team just has to get to the break.

  33. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    SJ44-You’re right.

  34. m July 6th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    I’ll focus on the positive. That we almost won, despite the officiating & pitching.

    The main thing is that we won the series.

    But, yeah, that explanation was pretty lame.

    How will they explain Scutaro’s tag? Same thing?

  35. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Tex needs a week off? LOL Too funny.

    Yeah, let’s give a guy a week off who is on pace to hit 40 HR’s this year.

    Makes sense to me! lol

  36. GreenBeret7 July 6th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    You’ll never get an umpire to admitting an explaination like that, whether he told both Jeter and Girardi that or not. The other umpires will deny that is normal policy, unless it was a scab umpire and they’re trying to get him out of baseball.

  37. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    “It was a bad play by Jeter. No question about that.

    However, if Wally Bell told him that, he has to be suspended because he isn’t following the rules.

    The rule isn’t, “if the ball beats him”. The rule states that a TAG has to be applied in order for him to be out.

    If an umpire doesn’t know the rule, or refuses to apply it properly, he can’t be working games.

    That’s an awful explanation for missing the call.”

    The unwritten rule seems to be that if the ball beats you by that much you’re called out.

    HOWEVER, admitting that?

    That’s like when a pitcher hits a batter in retaliation.

    “Were you trying to hit him?”

    “Of course not, pitch just slipped.”

    Admitting it is, IMO as much a punishable offense as anything else. Jeter didn’t have an issue being called out; the issue was being told something that flagrantly violates the rules.

  38. Low Down July 6th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    We no longer have a great rotation… a healthy, effective, Chein-Ming Wang was a key to our super rotation. None of us also knew Joba would be going backwards, especially after what we saw from him as a starter last year.

    Doesn’t mean we can’t win, but it does put much more pressure on the offense, and on CC/AJ.

  39. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Yes, but our bullpen has dramatically improved, our offense has stepped up, and we still have a VERY good rotation.

  40. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 5:55 pm

    Betsy,

    Buchholz may not even make a start for the Red Sox this season until September.

    They didn’t even trust him enough to give him a shot in the rotation that they signed a 42 yr old guy coming off major shoulder surgery and a guy in Penny who hasn’t really impressed anyone for two years.

    The injury to Wang is the reason why I didn’t want Hughes moved to the pen in the first place. I wanted him to remain a starter because someone inevitably was going to get hurt.

    But the Yanks had other ideas.

    Also, Pettitte and Joba have both pitched very well on the road. Both have ERAs under 3.00 on the road this season and the Yanks have scored plenty of runs for them at home.

    This team isn’t in dire straits. They’ll have to battle through those issues.

    The Red Sox are not some juggernaut. They have issues, too. And the Rays just got swept by the Rangers.

    The Yanks are not the only team in this division with issues. It’s not something to get that worked up about.

    The trade deadline is also just a few weeks away.

  41. m July 6th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Whoa! Why is there panic in Gotham?

  42. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    Um guys, we’re 1.5 games back. We also, as of right now, have the wild card.

  43. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Oh come on people, we all know what the tag rule says; we all know equally well how it is applied in practice. 9 times out of 10 the ump calls Jeter out.

    Jeter shouldn’t have tried to steal in that situation.

  44. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Hey, dude, I’m not panicking.

    Just a little outraged at Marty Foster.

  45. Mike July 6th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Bruce Murray was allowed to do 2 shows in one day on SNY? We already heard his opinion during DNL, we don’t need to hear it half an hour later again.

  46. Peter Abraham July 6th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Guys:

    I’ve contacted the Yankees. Despite the umpires being aligned against them and all their players being bums, they’ve decided to continue with the season and have gone ahead with their plans to travel to Minnesota.

    Honestly, some of you need to calm down. They one game. Take it easy. You’re getting way too worked up over today.

  47. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Wave Your Hat:

    The issue isn’t Jeter getting called out–nearly all of us think he shouldn’t have gone.

    It’s that the ump publically admitting to something that is obviously not in the rules; ie the ump not doing his job.

  48. All Star July 6th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Again… this is a moral victory.

    We played 9 vs. 13 and had the winning run at the plate in the 9th.

    In my mind, we won this game.

  49. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Rebecca-

    No offense (really), but I don’t think that’s why you and others are upset at the ump. I think you’re upset because he called Jeter out. Well, so am I, but I guess we’ll all get over it.

  50. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    Franco-Frankly, I don’t believe that. And I know you’re going to say “I don’t have to convince you”. But this is no knock on you, but fan have 20/20 hindsight. We’d be saying “great slide” if he were safe.

    —————

    You don’t have to believe that. I don’t condone bad plays simply because they got away with it.

    Did anyone give Robbie Cano a pass when he stupidly bunted on a 3-0 count the other day?

    No, they didn’t. Nor should they. It was unbelievably dumb.

    Cano was damn lucky his teammate Posada picked him up and won the game.

    So we should give Jeter a pass on a bad play but not Cano?

    Obviously, the circumstances were much higher on Saturday for Cano in that situation but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t criticize Jeter for a bad play in the 1st inning because he’s Derek Jeter.

    It’s really not that big of a deal. We’ll all get over it. But I’m not going to excuse a bad play simply because the guy got away with it.

  51. Joe(Living in Texas) July 6th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Hey guys,

    I wouldnt be surprised if the Yankees inquired about getting Javier Vasquez back here. Mark my words, write it down.

    Doug Davis as well from Arizona.

  52. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Wave Your Hat:

    Speak for yourself.

    Jeter should have never been going in the first place. Thus, I can’t get mad about him being called out. It’s a natural consequence of a bad decision.

  53. tommy h July 6th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    I’m just pumped up that this team seems to never give up- no matter how far we get down we seem to always find a way to get the tying run up to the plate at some point in the game- that is a great characteristic to have-

    keep winning series, 4-2 on this roadtrip and I would say after all is said and done its a pretty good first half-

  54. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    I don’t get this:

    I was told I was out because the ball beat me, and he didn’t have to tag me. I was unaware they had changed the rules.”

    http://twitter.com/BryanHoch

    I’m sorry, that is a firable offense. When did the umpires get to change the rules? This disgraceful – is there anything the Yankees can do about this? I don’t mean protest the game, but report it? Get this guy fired? Suspended?

  55. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Franco: You’re right. It was a dumb play. I’m just thinking that if he were safe and then Swishy flew out deep we’d be changing our tune.

  56. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    “You don’t have to believe that. I don’t condone bad plays simply because they got away with it.

    Did anyone give Robbie Cano a pass when he stupidly bunted on a 3-0 count the other day?

    No, they didn’t. Nor should they. It was unbelievably dumb. ”

    You do know that Canó was never supposed to bunt and missed the sign, which was to fake a bunt, right?

  57. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Rebecca-

    Sure, if you say so, but how can you get mad at an ump for saying (if indeed he did say it) what is presumed to be a common practice anyway? I’d rather be upset that he didn’t get the call correctly in the first place – except that I know if it were an opposing player running and our third baseman made the same play I’d be upset if the runner was called safe.

  58. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    So did any intrepid reporters talk to the ump?
    If he denies it he is calling Jeter a liar – that’s the story here.

  59. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Wave Your Hat:

    IMO it’s the same thing as a pitcher that hits another batter in retaliation for whatever.

    It’s not allowed, officially, but unofficially it happens all the time, the caveat is you NEVER admit it. Ever.

    It’s like the ultimate unwritten rule.

  60. Jack July 6th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Bottom line – We lost this game, and it will count as a loss whether it is fair or not. Just like the Luis Castillo game. Every team will get breaks during the season. Every team will get robbed.

    No use in getting so worked up over this game, it’s still going to be a loss even if the ump does get fined.

  61. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Peter again why accept incompetence from the officials????

    why do they get a pass when they get it wrong??

    If they got a call wrong here and there that is 1 thing but get it wrong and have that cockamamy excuse, he does not need to tag him…………….

    why don’t some of the reporters look into this??

    the bad calls were material to the outcome of the game.. again i heard the oriole announcers the other day say the red sox get all the calls that is what the league wants, i heard it… why did the yanks get 3 bad calls against in the same game.. BTW I do not think there is a conspiracy I wish I did I just think the officials are incompetent and lazy and bad……………….

  62. tommy h July 6th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    The ump can’t say that, but let’s be real it was an awful job by jeter to try to steal there- my highschool coach would have suspended me for making the first out at third- you don’t go unless you are SURE you can make it-

    Also, while the ump cannot say what he supposedly said to Jeter- I would say 8 of 10 times MLB umpires would call Jeter out on that play-

  63. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    How can you defend a guy who blatantly doesn’t follow the rules when he is in charge of enforcing the rules?

    Its one thing to be contrarian. Its another thing to defend nonsense.

    Bell’s answer to Jeter was nonsensical and it isn’t the rule.

    Should Jeter have run? No.

    Does that mean he is automatically out because he made a bad decision? No.

    You can’t change the rulebook because someone makes a bad decision to run.

  64. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    GF – ok, good points. Just to clarify – I’m not saying any of this out of a sense of panic. I’m thinking long term and that’s my concern.

    I hated moving Phil to the pen as well – I do expect Wang to miss more than 4/5 starts, so in that case, he does need to be in the rotation. Unfortunately, I don’t think the Yanks have any intention of doing that. In the meantime, I really don’t like him as the short reliever. I much prefer seeing him pitch two innings if at all possible…

    Wave, thanks. Hinkse had a good game – he’s supposed to be a really good guy, so hopefully he can help us this year.

  65. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    accepted officials being incompetent is not good for the game. why not report on there 3 mistakes today?

    how did they affect the outcome? why did they make the miscall? lazy, out of position, or human eye can make mistakes on such close plays…

    officials should not get a pass on mistakes…………

  66. Y 27 July 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Umps make mistakes. They are still going to get more calls right than wrong.

    Bottom line, Andy continued his awful pitching at home and Bruney continued his awful pitching period.

  67. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    You do know that Canó was never supposed to bunt and missed the sign, which was to fake a bunt, right?

    ————-

    I’m aware of that but even a Little Leaguer knows not to bunt on a 3-0 count in that situation.

    He probably wasn’t thinking, which is often his problem.

  68. m July 6th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    They didn’t change the rules. That was sarcasm, and a fine job at that!

    I’m surprised that 1) an umpire would say anything of the sort and 2) Jeter would share it.

    The ump will deny saying it, and basically call Jeter a liar. Not looking forward to this particular crew again.

  69. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Oh come on SJ, you don’t think umpires call guys out in that situation all the time? Of course they do. You think the umps always think the tag was actually made or the foot was actually on the base?

  70. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    The clubhouse guy on with Michael Kay says the Yanks are a very confident bunch – they know they’re playing well (but also that they have a tough road trip ahead). Good to hear that they aren’t getting down..(also, they expected to come back. I love that attitude, seriously).

  71. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    y 27 with a classic response. andy was bad but that does not excuse the officials from being incompetent. why is it an either or arguement???

    Swisher should have taken the first pitch but that does not excuse hinske from swinging at ball 4 twice….

    these issues are not connected. the arrogance of the officials and them being above reproach and not admitting mistakes is an issue that needs to be addressed…

  72. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    Hughes is not going to be in the rotation even if Wang misses the rest of the year.

    You have to stop hoping for something that isn’t going to happen.

    They aren’t going to risk his arm by stretching him out after what happened to Joba last year.

    Also, with Bruney struggling, Hughes is the 8th inning/late inning RH. They have nobody to replace him in that role.

    They can insert Aceves in the rotation or go to Mitre if need be.

    Hughes is not starting. Girardi has been clear about it and it has as much to do with protecting his arm as it does his current role in the bullpen.

  73. Homer July 6th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    I hate day game losses when there is a night game the next day

    And I hate great wins in the late afternoon/night when there is a day game the next day, you barely have time to enjoy it…

  74. James July 6th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    We squeezed some good starts out of Ponson last year. He beat the Mets, he pitched well in Fenway the final week of the season, pitched well against the Angels, etc

    Why can’t we catch lightening in a bottle with Mitre?

  75. Maria July 6th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    That is completely outrageous that the umpire would say something like that. I love DJ’s response “No one told me the rules had changed.” You could tell he was clearly pissed. It takes a lot to anger Derek Jeter. He doesn’t get thrown out of games and, in general, respects the umpire’s and doesn’t argue loudly and rudely. I know they don’t want to anger the umpiring crew but it is disappointing the Yankees can’t report something like this.

  76. Aardvark July 6th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Swisher/Cano hitting .200 with RISP

    You cannot bat them high in the order, they will kill plenty of rallies. Swisher swings at the first pitch, Cano 0-20 with RISP etc.

    For all the people killing A-Rod, look at how many clutch hits he has compare to those other 2.

  77. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    “I’m surprised that 1) an umpire would say anything of the sort and 2) Jeter would share it.”

    I would actually be more surprised by (2) than by (1).

  78. YankeeJosh July 6th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    Girardi seemed to verify Jeter’s comments. He was less candid but said he got tossed because he didn’t like the explanation for the call. Well, after hearing Jeter, I wouldn’t like that explanation either.

  79. Craw July 6th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Nobody on this team executes with RISP. It has been going on for years and never seems to change.

    Swisher isin’t the only culprit, the problems started before he even came here…

  80. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    SJ, I want to protect Phil’s arm as well……there’s nothing more important than that. I guess I will have to accept it, but I still think he should pitch more than 1 inning at a time occasionally.

  81. m July 6th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=290706110

    Warning: Do NOT read if you don’t want to see how arrogant the umps are.

    I don’t get the crew chief’s comment about Jeter. Can someone explain it to me?

  82. The Curious Case of Joba Chamberlain July 6th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    SJ44 – How good is Mitre could he be a decent 5th starter for a month or so?

  83. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    ““I’m surprised that 1) an umpire would say anything of the sort and 2) Jeter would share it.”

    I would actually be more surprised by (2) than by (1).”

    Agreed.

  84. m July 6th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    “Why can’t we catch lightening in a bottle with Mitre?”

    As long as the bottle isn’t from GBC. ;)

  85. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Just because they do it doesn’t make it right wave.

    In this particular situation, Bell wasn’t even in position to make the proper call. So, he guessed and he guessed wrong.

    Change the rule if a tag no longer applies. If the rule isn’t changed, follow it.

    It ain’t that complicated.

  86. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    “Crew chief John Hirschbeck did not make Foster available to reporters.”

  87. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    “Sometimes, you just miss a play,” Hirschbeck said.

    or three

  88. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    Phil is on with the clubhouse guy on the Kay show (Larry something) – I do love his attitude. He likes (watch the media make it sound like he wants to remain in the pen permanently) not knowing whether he’s going to pitch when he shows up at the park, enjoys getting to pitch maybe 3 or 4 times a week.

  89. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    “It would make his actions seem appropriate if that’s what he was told,” Hirschbeck said of Jeter. “It used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore. It’s not a reason to call someone out. You have to make a good tag.”

    how does this make any sense?

  90. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    One last comment on the Swisher AB, then I have to go.

    Swinging at the first pitch, Nick has a BA of .320 and SLG of .480 in 27 PA’s.

    Swing at a pitch on a 2-2 count (to pick a count semi-randomly), Nick has a BA of .105 and SLG of .211 in 38 PA’s.

    So maybe Nick has an idea up there.

  91. you gotta have faith (aceves, you da man!) July 6th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    swisher was 3-3 with 2 rbi’s before the at bat with the bases loaded, i guess you can blame him if you want but personally i put the blame on the pitching.

  92. m July 6th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    Rishi,

    See? And boy, a lot of you wanted to see just how arrogant the umps are. :)

  93. Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    SJ44-

    And I’m just sayin’ it ain’t worth worrying about or getting upset about.

    Gotta go. Just be happy we are 10-2 in the last 12 games!

  94. Joey's Poodle July 6th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    It is nonsense to say that there is nothing more important than protecting the arm of Yews. The Yankees do not revolve around this kid. He is only one of many important members of the team.

    And none of them, including the player formerly considered ‘the Franchise’, is more important than the team as a whole.

    We only won 5 out of 7 on this homestand, and hysteria reigns.

    Get a grip, folks.

  95. Matt July 6th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    If the umpire really said to Jeter what he claims he said, he should be suspended from his job and possibly fired. What a disgrace that is if he called him out only because the throw beat him and rubbed it in his face. He was safe, the guy never tagged him, and the umpire was out of position, but if he DID see the play and STILL called him out, then that’s just arrogance.

    Doesn’t excuse Jeter though. If you are going to try to steal 3rd base with no outs, it can’t be that close. The throw beat him by plenty, and it was still a boneheaded play with no outs in the 1st inning after the guy walked the leadoff hitter and BALKED him to second base.

  96. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    The fact that Jeter, who has a good rep around the game, said it means, that’s what Bell told him.

    That’s what he told Girardi as he was coming onto the field and that’s what got Girardi tossed.

    Bottom line is, all Bell had to say was, “I had him making the tag” and that’s it. Even if he missed the call, the explanation saves him.

    When he says that it doesn’t matter if the tag isn’t applied because the ball beat him there, that isn’t the rule.

    The rulebook says one thing, Bell says and does another. That’s not his job.

    He should for forced to sit for a few days and read the rulebook. He may learn something.

  97. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:39 pm

    m – I’m going to see if some of that will fly in my office – somehow I doubt it.

    And neither of us are curing cancer or anything

    This is why I KEEP asking if there is a check on the umpires or if they can pretty much do whatever they want

  98. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    “It would make his actions seem appropriate if that’s what he was told,” Hirschbeck said of Jeter.
    Translation: my ump is an idiot for saying that – I hope it goes away.

    “It used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore”???????
    is this in the 1867 rule book?

    “You have to make a good tag.” ok.

  99. m July 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    The only time I’ve seen an ump be publicly reprimanded was to say that one of them shouldn’t have put their hands on one of the players. Was that Anaheim/Boston? Or milton bradley?

  100. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    Pel thanks for the audio,man!!

  101. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    I don’t care if he was right or wrong for trying to take third – I don’t care because it makes no difference, you can’t say he’s out just b/c he ran when he shouldn’t have. If he beats the tag, he’s safe and tha’ts pretty much it

  102. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    So plays like that used to be forced plays according to Hirschbeck?

    That’s news to me.

    Seems odd Hirschbeck would say something like that and open such a can of worms, especially since he’s been around for such a long time.

  103. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

    Nick is hitting .200 with RISP.

    If he had an “idea” up there, ya think he would be better hitting in the clutch.

    Evidently not.

  104. Craw July 6th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Andy on the road – 4-1, 2.79 ERA (4-3; 6.00 at home)
    Joba on the road – 4-0, 2.74 ERA (0-2, 5.36 ERA at home)
    CC on the road – 5-3, 3.19 ERA (2-2, 4.55 ERA at home)
    Wang was awful everywhere, but slightly better away

    Burnett is the only starter who has a better ERA at home, just slightly. However, his road ERA is inflated because of the Boston starts (which balloons his ERA in general).

    Hey Yankees- Fix the ballpark. You have to accommodate the pitchers.

  105. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Oops. My bad.

    So plays like that used to be force outs according to Hirschbeck?

  106. Evan3457 July 6th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

    Yes, Jeter walked just before Swisher’s AB.

    But he made a decision to swing at the 1st good FB he saw; and guess what? It was thigh-high, and right down the middle, more or less.

    It was a crushable pitch; he just missed it.

    It’s not an automatic take there. If you get a crushable pitch, you can rip at it, even after a walk.

    Just my opinion.

  107. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    I don’t care if he was right or wrong for trying to take third – I don’t care because it makes no difference, you can’t say he’s out just b/c he ran when he shouldn’t have. If he beats the tag, he’s safe and tha’ts pretty much it

    ————–

    I guess Cano deserves a pass too for bunting on a 3-0 count the other day, right?

    They won the game so it doesn’t matter. Is that your position?

  108. Donald July 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    If that had happened to the Sox… Selig would suspend that ump and issue an apology.

    As usual, the league is conspiring against the Yankees. Just like how do you explain 4.30 Wakefield getting the AS nod over Burnett or CC? Where was this sentimentality with Mussina last year who had 11 wins with a 3.61 ERA at the break?

  109. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Nobody is losing their minds over a loss Wave. Except the bridgejumpers.

    However, when an umpire gives an explanation for a blown call that is in direct conflict with the actual rule in the rulebook, it is worth bringing it up.

    If he can’t follow that rule, how many more rules in the rulebook are you willing to have him not follow?

    Suppose he has a date that night and wants to leave early and decide the strikezone is three times the legal size.

    Is that ok since he may tell player its “my” strikezone tonight?

    The guy screwed up the call AND the explanation and should get called out for it.

  110. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:46 pm

    • And speaking of the Fourth, loyal reader Kevin Gengler reports that all the inning-killing by the Yankees over the first nine innings of their Fourth of July extravaganza was done by just two men — Brett Gardner and Robinson Cano. Check out the last outs of the first nine innings:

    1st: Cano groundout
    2nd: Gardner strikeout
    3rd: Cano groundout
    4th: Gardner groundout
    5th: Cano groundout
    6th: Gardner fly out
    7th: Cano ground into double play
    8th: Gardner strikeout
    9th: Cano groundout

    Now that’s no way to set off those Fourth of July fireworks.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ark_jayson

  111. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    again look at the stats obviously cano and swisher have no clue with RISP else they would not be hitting 200.

    think about that einsteins 200 with RISP, not a sample size of 50 AB’s either, and for cano this is a trend not a anomaly.

    i am to lazy to look up swsishers career BA with RISP but I know he is a 250 or so career hitter so tell einstein he can take some advice also. if these guys hit like lou gehrig then the approach is being analysis but they are not.

    again the old man matsui is much more dangerous in clutch situations then these 2 clowns……sorry for insulting clowns….

    game on the line melky or swisher or cano, who do you want up? i want melky, that is a damning statement about the other 2 guys…………………

  112. The Curious Case of Joba Chamberlain July 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    SJ44 – Swisher is a .220 hitter with RISP you should kill Cano who is a .200 hitter. Nick is the number 8 hitter with a chance at 30 homers ill take that any day.

  113. m July 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Oh, SJ. That’s a ridiculous explanation. Who would date an ump?

  114. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Giuseppe Franco
    July 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
    Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm

    I don’t care if he was right or wrong for trying to take third – I don’t care because it makes no difference, you can’t say he’s out just b/c he ran when he shouldn’t have. If he beats the tag, he’s safe and tha’ts pretty much it

    ————–

    I guess Cano deserves a pass too for bunting on a 3-0 count the other day, right?

    They won the game so it doesn’t matter. Is that your position?
    ——————-

    No relation – it’s that whole two wrongs don’t make a right thing. You can’t say it’s ok he was called out when he wasn’t just because he never should have been running…

  115. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    The umpires have been bad all over baseball this year. Its not an Anti-Yankee conspiracy. They are just bad.

    Some of them are VERY bad. Its been the case since Sandy Alderson left running the umpires to run the Padres.

    Since then, Mike Port is in charge of them and he just lets them do whatever they want with no accountability.

    I watch 4-6 games a day and you see bad umpiring every single night. Its embarrassing MLB allows such incompetence on a nightly basis.

  116. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Wave Your Hat July 6th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    “Pettitte is by all accounts a nice guy and was great in his prime, but the fact of the matter is that he’s just done as a good starting pitcher in the AL East.

    Hoping he can latch onto a contending NL team and prolong his career a couple more years if he chooses to do so.”

    Yeah, let’s get rid of Pettitte and get Sergio Mitre or Kei Igawa up here right away.

    Not.

    ——————————-

    Yeah, cause I said to get rid of him in-season.

    Not.

    My only point is that the Yankees should let him walk at the end of the year regardless of sentimentality.

  117. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    I agree, SJ – that’s all I’ve been trying to say :)

  118. BBFan July 6th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    I think Nick did the right thing.
    Bases are loaded and Jeter just walked.
    So, the chances of the pitcher grooving one middle of the plate were very high and it was almost like that.
    Nick just missed it.

  119. The Curious Case of Joba Chamberlain July 6th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

    Yea Andy was bad today but the ump cost the Yanks at least 4 runs today.

  120. Gary July 6th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Rules are ALL open to interpretation.

    The ump did nothing wrong… he decided to tweak the rules a little because clearly if Rolen had tagged him, he would have been out. So why not give him the out anyway considering the ball beat him to the bag?

  121. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Read the posts. I’ve said all along Swisher and Cano are the two worst hitters on the team with RISP.

    He had a bad AB. Swisher fans will defend him to the death and those of us who think he isn’t nearly as good as his biggest fans will ask, “why swing at the first pitch when you aren’t a good hitter with RISP”?

    Given how bad he is in those situations, its certainly not an out of bounds question to ask.

  122. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    I feel like I have been asking all season long if anyone knows of a “review” or “management” process for the umpires…no one seems to know

  123. Nick in SF July 6th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    I like this “play under protest and resume from a certain point” idea.
    But I would prefer to resume play from the 8th inning of the game 7 2001 World Series.

  124. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    Gary
    July 6th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
    Rules are ALL open to interpretation.

    The ump did nothing wrong… he decided to tweak the rules a little because clearly if Rolen had tagged him, he would have been out. So why not give him the out anyway considering the ball beat him to the bag?
    ————–

    So what happens if he drops the ball before actually making the tag?

  125. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    Gary July 6th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    Rules are ALL open to interpretation.

    The ump did nothing wrong… he decided to tweak the rules a little because clearly if Rolen had tagged him, he would have been out. So why not give him the out anyway considering the ball beat him to the bag?

    ——————————————

    Because the rules say he is required to be tagged.

    As an ump, at what point do you stop “interpreting” the rules according to your own preferences?

    It’s the ump’s job to enforce the rules, not change them at whim.

  126. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    wave making excuses for the officials incompetence is not warranted. who the heck knows who would have won the game if officiated correctly but BTW they are suppose to 1.try to get things correct and 2. follow the rule book. following the rules is not if you feel like it but it is for league conformity and should be the rule not the exception.

    the incopetence of these overpaid, lazy, sacks of bleep is a joke. the only thing sadder then the officials performance is the usual part of the game ad hominem nonsense… they are suppose to try to get things right not get things right but try, to try you need to move ther bodies and follow the rule book….is that to much to ask??

  127. Scholar July 6th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

    Cano cannot bat high in the order or with men on base.

    Even in the future with the veterans are gone, Cano still should not bat higher than 6th. You are not putting him (or the team) in a situation to succede if you do

    And I’ve seen enough of Swisher… .200 with RISP is unacceptable.

  128. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Rules aren’t all “Open to interpretation” and the umpire isn’t allowed to “tweak” the rulebook. lol

    That isn’t allowed. Sorry but, that’s not how they are taught.

  129. BBFan July 6th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    I think there is too much being made of the blown call at third.

    Over the season these things even out. Yanks got benefit of such calls a few times too.

    The bottomline is the team is playing very well. If they win the next two series, which will be difficult given the opposition, we will be in great shape going into ASB.

    Given all the problems the team had earlier (injuries, inconsistent offense and pitching), if Yanks were just 5 games behind going to ASB, I would have been very happy. I think we will be better than that.

  130. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 6th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    The ump was referencing the unwritten “rulebook.”

    Everyone knows if the ball beats the runner, it takes a discerning, alert ump not to jump the gun and make a purely assumptive call.

    What’s ludicrous is that he used the unwritten “rule” as an explanation of his wrong call.

    That is just ridiculous.

  131. Mike July 6th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Does Anyone here think the Yankees should trade for a Starter….

    Wang is Hurt . Joba is starting to scare me. .and Pettite is hot and cold ??

  132. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    Where are the Haiku?

  133. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    “July 6th, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    I like this “play under protest and resume from a certain point” idea.
    But I would prefer to resume play from the 8th inning of the game 7 2001 World Series.”

    You and me both, kid.

    In fact, I’ll settle with the 9th inning of Game 7 2004 ALCS

  134. Sevendust July 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    1. Stop making excuses for the umps

    2. Stop making excuses for Swisher. He is a bench player and cannot hit a lick with RISP

    3. Bruney is less reliable as Tomko

  135. Giuseppe Franco July 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    No relation – it’s that whole two wrongs don’t make a right thing. You can’t say it’s ok he was called out when he wasn’t just because he never should have been running…

    ————

    It’s absolutely related. You don’t excuse bad baseball simply because he could have gotten away with it.

    Cano got away with his mistake. Doesn’t mean everyone should overlook it because he got lucky when his teammate picked him up.

    Human error by the umps are part of the game like anything else.

  136. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    “I was told by the umpire that I didn’t have to be tagged to be out,” Jeter said.

    Crew chief John Hirschbeck did not make Foster available to reporters.

    “It would make his actions seem appropriate if that’s what he was told,” Hirschbeck said of Jeter. “It used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore. It’s not a reason to call someone out. You have to make a good tag.”

    ====================

    What? :?

  137. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Guys: For all the crayola about RISP…

    Tampa Bay last year was the WORST team in the league with RISP.

    I’ve begun to think that perhaps the reasons teams like the Yanks and Rays have such poor RISP stats is because they put so many runners on base in the first place…

  138. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Rishi,

    MLB says they there is a system in place but, nobody knows what it is.

    If umpires ever are nailed for bad calls, the teams aren’t ever made aware of it.

  139. Tank July 6th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    I’ll go back even further… protest game 7 of the 1961 WS.

    Intentionally walk Maz this time

  140. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

    “I think there is too much being made of the blown call at third.”

    It is not the call its the explanation

    The ump is either an idiot or extremely arrogant or he used a cliche at the wrong time.

  141. Doreen July 6th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    I’ve been out. Back in now.

    Did the umpired really say he throw beat him there, so he didn’t have to tag him? Is there not a rule book? That sounds negligent to me. And while I do not pin he loss on the umpires calls, because a team needs to move on from them and get the job done anyway, that explanation certainly calls that particular umpire’s integrity, at least on that particular play, and regardless of whether Jeter should have gone or not, he did go, he was safe and the umpire cost the Yankees at least one run there (because you don’t know how the inning could unfold). That explanation should be grouonds for that umpire’s suspension, IMO.

    Matt -If you’re still around. My point was that the .285 vs. whatever the Yankees have with RISP is that it has netted the Red Sox exactly one more win and 2 fewer losses. Yeah, the Yankees should step it up a bit in those situations, but apparently the Yankees are doing a few things right. And you know what, it may not give you more wins anyway, just more runs in the games you do win. So hitting with RISP alone is not the entire story one way or the other.

    Neither the Yankees nor the Red Sox are going to win every game they play.

    Pete,

    If the Yankees want to keep a facility as close as SWB, they’ll probably step up to pay. Or they’ll look for somewhere else. IMO, of course. :)

  142. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    bruney is much better then tomko, 8 years younger ,and coming back from an injury. give the guy a few more outings before you bury him….have bruney pitch in non leverage situations if the ycan and see if the ycan get him fixed.

    giving up on bruney after 3 bad outings is standard yankee fan overreaction… if you have not noticed relief pitching is the most variable performance area in all of baseball…..just a minor detail………..

  143. BBFan July 6th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

    “I feel like I have been asking all season long if anyone knows of a “review” or “management” process for the umpires…no one seems to know”

    I think there is.
    When Sandy Alderson was with MLB, he was in charge of that function and he used to butt heads with umpires union. I do not remember well, but I recall he suspending an umpire for poor performance. They never publickly announce them unlike they do with players which they can not hide any way.

  144. Sal July 6th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    When are they going to go to Robots?

    I mean really, isin’t our technology advanced enough to where we can accomplish this? Why settle for a 2nd rate product? At this point, umpires are 2nd rate. Their blown calls are getting more and more egregious by the year.

  145. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

    I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree – I prefer umpires not perform their jobs on assumptions. If they tag him and he’s out, he’s out.

    It seems like umpires have been making boatloads of “human error” calls this season – that can’t always be a free pass, especially when it appear they don’t actually understand the rules they are trying to enforce.

  146. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    stuart: I’m certainly not giving up on Bruney, just concerned as to whether or not he is entirely healthy.

  147. 77 Yanks July 6th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

    If Bruney doesn’t throw strikes, he is useless. Let him work out his kinks in low leverage situations.

    Hughes/Coke/Ace get the high end innings.

  148. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Thanks for all the anwers on the review process – so really it’s a big black hole.

    facinating – no one needs to know the particulars, but there should be some level of transparency there

  149. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 6th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    The ump is either an idiot or extremely arrogant or he used a cliche at the wrong time.
    ===================

    Right, arrogance is the word for it – and confidence about insularity.

    And if this sort of “off the record” explanation was commonplace, Jeter would never buck the code.

    Clearly, it isn’t, and the Yankees are entitled to their outrage, or perhaps even a formal protest.

  150. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    Give up on Bruney? No.

    Put him in high leverage situations? Not until he can get outs in low leverage situations.

    That’s why Hughes is staying in the bullpen.

  151. 1961 July 6th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Tank, we beat the Reds in 5 games in 1961….

  152. BBFan July 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    “The ump is either an idiot or extremely arrogant or he used a cliche at the wrong time.”

    Probably the last.
    I am sure he will not do that again.

    It is interesting to see if the media outlets pick up on it and make a big deal out of it. If so, how MLB will react?

  153. Nick in SF July 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Cylon umpires?

    Hmmm, that couldn’t backfire at all…

  154. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    Its the explanation that set Jeter off. Rightfully so.

    Wally Bell has to be better than that. A bad call and a worse explanation.

    That ain’t good.

    Either way, I’ll take a 5-2 homestand any day of the week.

    Especially with CC going tomorrow and a fully rested high leverage part of the bullpen ready to go.

  155. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    I know Rebecca. I assume he is healthy else they should not pitch him but with these athletes you never know. I think I read recently there were about 6 college graduates on the roster of major league teams, only 6…WOW

    Bruney is not a star but if he is pitching like he has he can be a big help and give them about 4 or 5 good fairly reliable arms in the pen…..

    BTW Rebecca I like reading your posts and like your attitude a lot…

  156. Mike July 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    does anyone think we should add a starter ????

  157. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

    Next they’ll be saying “tie goes to the runner”

  158. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Nick in SF
    July 6th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
    Cylon umpires?

    Hmmm, that couldn’t backfire at all…

    so say we all!

  159. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Well, ESPN is now running an article on it:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4309843

  160. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    “BTW Rebecca I like reading your posts and like your attitude a lot…”

    Thanks man. Check out my blog sometime…no idea if it’s your thing but you know I can’t skip an opportunity to self-promote =P

  161. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    arrogance and umps, nah never happen.

    these clowns think 46,000 go to the game to see them…

    they live in there own little world…

  162. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

    “Marty asked me to handle things today,” he said. “We hopefully learn from our experiences. It’s the only way we get better at what we do.”

    “The best way I can answer it is to talk to Marty about it,” Hirschbeck said. “Not here at the ballpark, but if I see him tonight, or if not, we’ll have lunch tomorrow and we’ll discuss it. Getting a play right is one thing, but how you handle it is also important. Nowadays, with the cameras, ESPN and the reporters, I say the media, I actually mean television — it used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore. It’s not a reason to call someone out. You have to make a good tag.”

    Jeter’s attempt on a 2-1 pitch with Nick Swisher at the plate would have given the Yankees a runner at third with no outs. Jeter was pulled away from the argument by third base coach Rob Thomson. Hirschbeck admitted Jeter doesn’t argue very often.

    “Yes, in my 27 years in the big leagues, he is probably the classiest person I’ve been around,” the crew chief said.

  163. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    rebecca besides your nets and devils affinitty you are not half bad…

  164. Chris July 6th, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    Nobody should expect the clueless and spineless Allan Selig to address any umpire issues. It’s a wonder that he approved the home run replays.
    It will be up to the next Commissioner to consider base running replays or ball and strike calls.
    With all the high tech of today, it wouldn’t be a problem to have a camera in CF to quickly approve or refute a call in the strike zone with a scoreboard signal and not cause a delay of the game.
    Until then, the umpires will have free reign to have differing judgements of the strike zone.

  165. Nick in SF July 6th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    Umpbot malfunction
    An unwritten rule ignored
    Tie goes to Jeter

  166. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

    rishi no more of those comments. just seeing there arrogance and incompetence makes me angrier.

    they wil ldiscuss it over lunch tommorrow….

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    calls do affect games all the time, ask the raiders against the pats………………….the tuck rule……….

  167. RS July 6th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

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    As bad as things may seem with the Yankees at times (and it’s really not, we just tend to overreact) at least our organization from top to bottom isn’t a complete mess like the boys across town.

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  169. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

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    The Nets have long been a nightmare, but the Devils…they are everything right with a sports franchise.

    Always competitive, always have a chance to win, $15 home games for college students, sparkling arena, HoF goaltender and PBP man (the Yankees only wish they had doc Emerick).

    I love ‘em nearly as much as I love the Yankees.

  170. Uncle Ellsworth July 6th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    “The best way I can answer it is to talk to Marty about it,” Hirschbeck said. “Not here at the ballpark, but if I see him tonight, or if not, we’ll have lunch tomorrow and we’ll discuss it. Getting a play right is one thing, but how you handle it is also important. Nowadays, with the cameras, ESPN and the reporters, I say the media, I actually mean television — it used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore. It’s not a reason to call someone out. You have to make a good tag.”

    to quote Amy and Seth:
    Really? John Hirschbeck really. Really?

  171. Rishi July 6th, 2009 at 7:12 pm

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  172. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    # Rebecca–Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    stuart: I am a Jersey girl to the core. Never hide the Jersey pride.

    The Nets have long been a nightmare, but the Devils…they are everything right with a sports franchise.

    Always competitive, always have a chance to win, $15 home games for college students, sparkling arena, HoF goaltender and PBP man (the Yankees only wish they had doc Emerick).

    I love ‘em nearly as much as I love the Yankees.

    ————————————-

    It’s nice to find a fellow Net fan! Those are rare birds nowadays. I look forward to LeBron possibly joining in 2010, although I’m sure he will be bringing a bunch of bandwagoners with him if he does…

  173. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

    File this under, “its a small world”…..

    John Hirschbeck is the former brother in law of one of my best friends. He’s a good guy.

    He kind of threw Foster under the bus because knows that explanation is just flat out wrong.

    That’s as close as you see a crew chief leave a collegue hanging in the wind.

    John is one of the leaders of the umpire association.

    I’m sure Foster is going to hear it from John and MLB for today’s performance.

  174. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    i dislike emrick and homer resch immensely.

    the nets should move out of state because no one cares about them.

    I like NJ but they deserve better then the Nets and there are to many hockey teams in the NY metro area….

    I d owish the yanks had some of the cold heart calculating tendencies of lamoirella running there team.. the yanks would have some vets with shorter contracts…

  175. vb03 July 6th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 7:14 pm the nets should move out of state because no one cares about them.

    ——————

    They are moving to Brooklyn soon. Still undecided whether I should follow them being a fan, but I probably will.

  176. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    “July 6th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    i dislike emrick and homer resch immensely.

    the nets should move out of state because no one cares about them.

    I like NJ but they deserve better then the Nets and there are to many hockey teams in the NY metro area….

    I d owish the yanks had some of the cold heart calculating tendencies of lamoirella running there team.. the yanks would have some vets with shorter contracts…”

    Oh man, I love doc. Resch can be kind of Kay-ish sometimes, but Emrick is just FUN to listen to on a cold winter night. He is so energetic!

    Lamoriello is a genius.

    And major kudos for being the last team to not have an alternate jersey in the whole of the NHL.

  177. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 7:17 pm

    vb 03, i will beleive the move when I see it.

    that billion dollar stadium in brooklyn is becoming less extravagant by the day.

    I like the old time NY teams but do not hate there neighbors. If the giants can’t win what the heck why not the jets, etc….

  178. stuart a July 6th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

    the rangers have not used there alternate jerseys in a long long time…

    good night all.. btw officials should not get passes when they are incompetant probably caused by there arrogance.

    also there is no chance the league fools such as dupuy and selig do jack about this incompetence. as long as the gree nkeeps rolling in the ycan give a bleep.

    if it happens to the sux that is another story, nespn and nesn would be outraged and all the pale overwight non athletes would go bananas….

  179. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

    “File this under, “its a small world”…..

    John Hirschbeck is the former brother in law of one of my best friends. He’s a good guy.

    He kind of threw Foster under the bus because knows that explanation is just flat out wrong.

    That’s as close as you see a crew chief leave a collegue hanging in the wind.

    John is one of the leaders of the umpire association.

    I’m sure Foster is going to hear it from John and MLB for today’s performance.”

    Yeah, I’m surprised Hirshback admitted that much, but he blew a call over the weekend too when Tex was called out at home. However, I don’t dwell on umpires bad calls because it’s the human element of the game and sometimes they screw up just like the players.

  180. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    By the way, didn’t John Hirschbeck had a brother that was an umpire too?

  181. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    Yes, his brother Mark is still an MLB umpire.

    He used to be on John’s crew. I forget which crew he is on now though.

  182. randy l. July 6th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    “They aren’t going to risk his arm by stretching him out after what happened to Joba last year.” – sj44

    so last year, cashman in his about twenty second year with the yankees made a brain dead decision to rush chamberlain which led to shoulder problems that disabaled him and have led to the low 90′s guy we see now.

    he oversees a franchise that allows bad drainage and dangerous conditions at the highest minor league level.

    what more does this guy have to do to prove can’t get all the balls in the air at the same time ?

    he’s singlehandedly ruined wang.

    he really is a major problem with this franchise.

    they can overcome him with all the money they have, but cashman is one high maintenance gm who just makes bad things happen that money needs to be thrown at.

  183. S.A.--The sun will come out tomorrow; I'm down with the OPPC July 6th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Did the Nets break ground yet on the new arena in Brooklyn? What is going on with that?

  184. RS July 6th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

    Good start for Oakland. They didn’t score in the first but they did get 2 hits and a walk against Smoltz (a DP killed that inning). Boston goes down 1-2-3 against Anderson.

  185. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    Top of the first for Trenton: Mcallister has bases loaded, no out, strikes out two, then gives up base hit on 1-2 count, 2 runs score…k’s next batter.

  186. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    he oversees a franchise that allows bad drainage and dangerous conditions at the highest minor league level.

    The Yankees didn’t build PNC park; the idea was that this field was only a stop gap before they could replace the entire thing and it would have been fine under normal circumstances, but this summer’s rain was beyond normal.

  187. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    “Yes, his brother Mark is still an MLB umpire.

    He used to be on John’s crew. I forget which crew he is on now though.”

    I thought so because they’re from my hometown in Connecticut.

  188. randy l. July 6th, 2009 at 7:32 pm

    “The Yankees didn’t build PNC park; the idea was that this field was only a stop gap before they could replace the entire thing and it would have been fine under normal circumstances, but this summer’s rain was beyond normal.”

    always the excuses.

  189. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

    The fact that he ran from the press says it all,he’s a snake of a ump!!

    Make their holding area as uncomfortable as possible,folding chairs,no cushions and a card table.

  190. Rebecca--Optimist Prime July 6th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    ““The Yankees didn’t build PNC park; the idea was that this field was only a stop gap before they could replace the entire thing and it would have been fine under normal circumstances, but this summer’s rain was beyond normal.”

    always the excuses.”

    Excuse or not, it’s true.

    Yeah, the Yankees should have done something and they were planning to…but the awful weather made the issue come to a head much sooner than they thought it would

    I do not share your opinion of Cashman. Not even a little.

  191. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    Cashman isn’t in charge of Scranton.

    He also wasn’t the only person in charge of stretching out Chamberlain.

    Singlehandedly ruined Wang? Overstating that aren’t you?

    Wang has had chronic shoulder problems for years. That’s not on Cashman.

    Cashman didn’t singlehandedly ruin anything. He makes mistakes just like other GM’s.

    To say he singlehandedly ruined Wang just isn’t correct.

  192. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 7:34 pm

    RandyL,
    Cashman has made some mistakes but to place all of the blame on him for the things you listed isn’t exactly fair.

  193. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    This is where Jeter’s rep helps him. The umps know that he doesn’t argue and when he does, he doesn’t get flip or angry or obnoxiously over the top. Hirschbeck knows that – I did kind of like reading his quote, even though I don’t know what he means by saying that if the ball beat the runner, it would be an out. I mean, I know what that means, but that is not the rule of the game. I don’t know if Bell just verbalized what the umps were all thinking or if he’s just a rogue ump playing by his own rules…..either way, it would look better for the umps to suspend him instead of MLB (esp. since MLB will never do that). It would put the umps in a better light – but of course, they won’t do that.

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  195. Steve B July 6th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

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  196. Nick in SF July 6th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

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  197. Buddy Biancalana July 6th, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    Rebecca-

    Love your spirit in these debates, you are a fireracker.

  198. deputy dawg July 6th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

    What I do not understand is why with a little common sense used by Girardi and Jeter would have had to be put back on third. Go to the crew chief and have Foster repeat what he told both him and Jeter as to his reasoning on the call Hirschbeck would have had to overrule or be accused of making a farce of the rulebook.

  199. Steve B July 6th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

    “To say he singlehandedly ruined Wang just isn’t correct.”

    There were a couple spotters and a get away driver, but ultimately Cashman is the man resposnsible. He demanded the responsibility so he has to take a hit for how the Wang thing was mismanaged.

  200. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Betsy,
    What it means that years ago umpires used to interpret certain rules differently than they do today. For lack of better words, today they umpire according to the letter of the rules which they didn’t do all the time years ago when Hirschbeck first started umpiring. Back then they were more loosely followed. Like the phantom touch of 2nd base during a DP, that is not called today for the most part, unless, the player actually touches the bag while throwing to 1st base. They were more loosey goosey back then.

    The television coverage has changed that for the better and now with HD slo-mo cameras, the umpires need to umpire according to the actual written rules and that crap explanation by Wally Bell today isn’t going to cut it today.

  201. Joe from Long Island July 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    Don’t the Yankees employ coaches who give input on what to do with players? Girardi, Eiland, Contreras, guys like that?

    As far as Scranton – I went there and was very disappointed. This morning I asked the clerk at the information center there about prior history of problems with rain. She told us that they had never had that problem before, when the Phillies’ had the AAA Red Barons there. According to her, this past month was the wettest in memory, and this issue had popped up for the first time this spring. They had 2 1/2 inches of rain Friday night.

  202. randy l. July 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

    sj44-

    i’m not misstating anything.

    he never liked his low strikeout ratio. he fired the guy wang needed as a coach and used long after he left the yankees.

    he told wang to do nothing last winter and then never bothered testing to see if he was weakened from inactivity.

    the hip weakness went undetected until arod’s therapist suggested it.

    he then after all these mistakes rushes him back three starts early when joba gets hit by a line drive and then doesn’t have him used and sends him to the bullpen to lose his starter length.

    then he starts him when he’s not really in shape to start which leads to shoulder problems.

    could cashman have done anymore to make things difficult for wang ?

    you are right that he makes mistakes like any other gm. i always thought the yankees deserved someone better that just any other gm.

  203. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    “There were a couple spotters and a get away driver, but ultimately Cashman is the man resposnsible. He demanded the responsibility so he has to take a hit for how the Wang thing was mismanaged.”

    He takes the hit if his boss, Hal Steinbrenner thinks he should, not what some fan says or thinks.

  204. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

    Smoltz is still trying to get his first win since coming back,hehe.

  205. Cash is King July 6th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Randy l.

    I understand now, sorry about your Cashman hate thingy.

  206. SJ44 July 6th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    Randy,

    How about the things he does right….

    He’s revamped the farm system and the Yankees have more young talent coming through the system than they have had in years.

    Even this year, more younger players are helping them win games in forever.

    They have the third best record in baseball so far after not making the playoffs last year.

    Did Wang’s rehab get messed up? Absolutely.

    Wang has always had shoulder issues. That goes back to his minor league days. Cashman didn’t cause his shoulder injury and you know it. That’s why they didn’t give him a long term deal, not his low strikeout totals.

    They fired Neil Allen because they wanted to go in a different direction. That happens all over baseball every year. It wasn’t to stick it to Wang.

    He’s got to be doing something right since the Yankees are playing great baseball and the additions from the farm system and the off-season acquistions he made are a big reason why.

    Its one thing to point out the mistakes. Nobody is saying he’s perfect. To ignore the things he is doing right, which out number his mistakes is shortsighted and just plain wrong.

  207. Betsy July 6th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

    Cash, thanks for the explanation. What a joke. The umps are not the Supreme Court – they don’t get to interpret the Baseball constitution. The rule book is the rule book, period.

  208. haiku-man July 6th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    Because of how intense the Yankees fought Wang’s arbitration,and bragged,afterwards,says Cashman knew something
    going in to the negotiations.Did Cashman know he was not going to be ready this season?

  209. jennifer July 6th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Can the Yankees protest the game? Not that it means anything since they never uphold a protest.

  210. The Ghost July 6th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Bottom line – Bell is an idiot to say what he said – what he meant is that he didn’t see Jeter’s hand slide in before the tag so he had to go with what he saw which was the ball get to the bag before him – which is how the 2B umpire calls it 80% of the time. Jeter was trying to save face by arguing instead of admitting he made a boneheaded play and walking back to the dugout. Bell is in a tough position because he was being held to the letter of his word by baseball royalty.

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