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		<title>By: poop</title>
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		<dc:creator>poop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yankee fans guess what?, I am pretty sure and have a good strong feeling that were gonna have a another doctor in the stadium other than gene monahan later this year or next year if the office plays their cards right!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yankee fans guess what?, I am pretty sure and have a good strong feeling that were gonna have a another doctor in the stadium other than gene monahan later this year or next year if the office plays their cards right!!</p>
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		<title>By: DetroitSucks</title>
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		<dc:creator>DetroitSucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 13:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing being overlooked is that Halladay likes to stay in the game as long as possible--he moves to the NL and suddenly he&#039;s sitting on his hands, unable to help his team in late innings when he&#039;s pinch hit for in the 6th or 7th. 

White Sox should have this locked up. Beckham only recently converted to 3rd after playing shortstop his entire career. He&#039;ll be happy to be back at SS and the Blue Jays will have a guy in Beckham who sells tickets from day 1. 

And the White Sox have a pretty good bullpen with a couple of solid options for closing out games behind Halladay&#039;s 7+ inning starts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing being overlooked is that Halladay likes to stay in the game as long as possible&#8211;he moves to the NL and suddenly he&#8217;s sitting on his hands, unable to help his team in late innings when he&#8217;s pinch hit for in the 6th or 7th. </p>
<p>White Sox should have this locked up. Beckham only recently converted to 3rd after playing shortstop his entire career. He&#8217;ll be happy to be back at SS and the Blue Jays will have a guy in Beckham who sells tickets from day 1. </p>
<p>And the White Sox have a pretty good bullpen with a couple of solid options for closing out games behind Halladay&#8217;s 7+ inning starts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff in Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff in Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Yankee fan in Canada (my Irish grandfather moved here from New York and raised us properly..;-)), I may need to hideout for a few years if the Yankees trade for Doc.  Nearly everyone in this country - a country with one division - hates the Yankees.  Doc has been their sole reason for tolerating an otherwise underacheiving team the last 10 years.

If Riccardi trades Doc to the Yankees, call Ripley&#039;s because he&#039;s got stones of titanium - and considering the number of soccer players in the Toronto area, he might need them.  He&#039;ll be the Peter Pocklington of baseball in Canada, and he&#039;ll risk losing a large portion of an already sparse fan base.

That all being said, I agree completely with SJ, that he&#039;ll get his best return from the Yankees.  I&#039;ll go further and suggest that if he doesn&#039;t trade with the Yankees now, he may never get a better return going forward...from anyone.  Seattle may be in the same position with Ichiro, or will be soon.

I hope Hal, Hank and C-money get this right.  Doc is the most consistent arm in the game, and his work ethic is unmatached.  You want a guy who can handle pressure, comes to work every day and brings it home every night, and has Woods-like focus on acheiving his goals?  Doc is the complete package, a sure-thing.  This acquisition would make as much, if not more sense, as getting Teixeira.  *Reliable* pitching is what won the Yankees their championships.  This could be &quot;Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz&quot;-esque in NY.

It will be fun watching how all of this goes down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Yankee fan in Canada (my Irish grandfather moved here from New York and raised us properly..;-)), I may need to hideout for a few years if the Yankees trade for Doc.  Nearly everyone in this country &#8211; a country with one division &#8211; hates the Yankees.  Doc has been their sole reason for tolerating an otherwise underacheiving team the last 10 years.</p>
<p>If Riccardi trades Doc to the Yankees, call Ripley&#8217;s because he&#8217;s got stones of titanium &#8211; and considering the number of soccer players in the Toronto area, he might need them.  He&#8217;ll be the Peter Pocklington of baseball in Canada, and he&#8217;ll risk losing a large portion of an already sparse fan base.</p>
<p>That all being said, I agree completely with SJ, that he&#8217;ll get his best return from the Yankees.  I&#8217;ll go further and suggest that if he doesn&#8217;t trade with the Yankees now, he may never get a better return going forward&#8230;from anyone.  Seattle may be in the same position with Ichiro, or will be soon.</p>
<p>I hope Hal, Hank and C-money get this right.  Doc is the most consistent arm in the game, and his work ethic is unmatached.  You want a guy who can handle pressure, comes to work every day and brings it home every night, and has Woods-like focus on acheiving his goals?  Doc is the complete package, a sure-thing.  This acquisition would make as much, if not more sense, as getting Teixeira.  *Reliable* pitching is what won the Yankees their championships.  This could be &#8220;Maddox, Glavine, Smoltz&#8221;-esque in NY.</p>
<p>It will be fun watching how all of this goes down.</p>
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		<title>By: KO</title>
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		<dc:creator>KO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the Yankees aren&#039;t trading for Halladay, nobody here nor anywhere should waste their breath or time or w/e talking about it. By the way PA, the GM for the Jays doesn&#039;t have to build a market for Roy Halladay. It was there already. It&#039;s Roy Halladay. Wake up man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Yankees aren&#8217;t trading for Halladay, nobody here nor anywhere should waste their breath or time or w/e talking about it. By the way PA, the GM for the Jays doesn&#8217;t have to build a market for Roy Halladay. It was there already. It&#8217;s Roy Halladay. Wake up man.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly think the Yankees are gonna get Halladay... Cashman and everyone in the front office knows that if they get Halladay that it will definitely mean playoffs and most likely world series win!  They will take a hit on one or 2 prospects, but they will also get the best pitcher in the league.  ALSO since we have AJ, a close friend of Halladay&#039;s. that will make it SO much EASIER to resign him to a contract..it also helps that we have an unbelievable team locked up in arod, tex, cc, and AJ. 
He would be stupid to not resign with us..so i think somehow, someway, Cashman works up the right offer to get it done.

They said they need a catcher and shortstop? 
Well you make a deal with ramiro pena, cervelli/romine, and 2 other good prospects involved. 

I would give them Ian Kennedy, Ramiro pena, one of romine or cervelli, and Melancon (cuz they need a closer since B.J. ryan isnt what he used to be), and we will also take all of the rest of the Halladay&#039;s contract.  I think that is a fair deal..maybe sub in/out Melancon for a different/higher prospect, but i think that definitely supplies their needs. and gives them a 3 good prospects in IPK, Pena, and cervelli/romine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly think the Yankees are gonna get Halladay&#8230; Cashman and everyone in the front office knows that if they get Halladay that it will definitely mean playoffs and most likely world series win!  They will take a hit on one or 2 prospects, but they will also get the best pitcher in the league.  ALSO since we have AJ, a close friend of Halladay&#8217;s. that will make it SO much EASIER to resign him to a contract..it also helps that we have an unbelievable team locked up in arod, tex, cc, and AJ.<br />
He would be stupid to not resign with us..so i think somehow, someway, Cashman works up the right offer to get it done.</p>
<p>They said they need a catcher and shortstop?<br />
Well you make a deal with ramiro pena, cervelli/romine, and 2 other good prospects involved. </p>
<p>I would give them Ian Kennedy, Ramiro pena, one of romine or cervelli, and Melancon (cuz they need a closer since B.J. ryan isnt what he used to be), and we will also take all of the rest of the Halladay&#8217;s contract.  I think that is a fair deal..maybe sub in/out Melancon for a different/higher prospect, but i think that definitely supplies their needs. and gives them a 3 good prospects in IPK, Pena, and cervelli/romine</p>
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		<title>By: blackjack</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Yankees should do everything in their power to get this guy.  He is a solid #1 ace, and would give them a devastating 1-2-3 punch at least for the next 2 years, maybe 5 years.  People need to remember that Mariano, Jeter, Posada are not going to be playing for much longer.  

They have the pieces right now, and for the next couple of years, I believe they should go for it.  Offer them Joba or Hughes, Romine, Melky and another minor league pitcher.  

There is no guarantee any of these players will make such an impact as Halladay would for the next two years.  The future is not promised to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Yankees should do everything in their power to get this guy.  He is a solid #1 ace, and would give them a devastating 1-2-3 punch at least for the next 2 years, maybe 5 years.  People need to remember that Mariano, Jeter, Posada are not going to be playing for much longer.  </p>
<p>They have the pieces right now, and for the next couple of years, I believe they should go for it.  Offer them Joba or Hughes, Romine, Melky and another minor league pitcher.  </p>
<p>There is no guarantee any of these players will make such an impact as Halladay would for the next two years.  The future is not promised to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ44</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GLove,

Its one of those rare moments the Yankees not only have the pieces to do the deal, they have ready made replacements for the guys that would be included in such a deal.

They literally can do this deal, as long as Montero isn&#039;t in it (he is probably the only true off limits guy), and not miss a beat.

The Phillies prospects, especially their higher end prospects, aren&#039;t as good, or are as close to the majors, as the Yankees prospects.

For example:  Kyle Drabek is coming off TJ surgery and isn&#039;t close to ML ready.  Bastardo has a bad shoulder and is on the DL.  Neither guy is a Hughes or Chamberlain level prospect.

Michael Taylor and Dominic Brown are nice prospects.  Melky Cabrera is better than both of them right now and Austin Jackson is too.

Problem is, the Blue Jays have a lot of OF&#039;s.  They lack healthy, front line starting pitching from the right side.

Lou Marston isn&#039;t even as good as Austin Romine and Austin is probably the third or fourth best C prospect in the Yankees system right now.

Jason Donald?  Not as good as Ramiro Pena right now.  I&#039;ll also take Nunez&#039;s bat over Donald. Although, Donald has a much better glove than Nunez.

Also, are the Phillies ready to take their payroll over the 150 million mark?  That&#039;s what it will be if they sign him to an extension.

If they don&#039;t, are you ready to trade 4 good prospects for 1 1/2 years of Roy Halladay?

Sometimes, things come up that make you alter your original plan.  That&#039;s what happened in the off-season with Mark Teixeira.

When people say, &quot;they won&#039;t trade young pitching for Santana, why for Halladay&quot;?  They HAD Hughes in the Santana deal.  Bill Smith was dumb enough to say &quot;no&quot;.

JMO but, if Montero is not in the deal, and JP isn&#039;t asking for BOTH Hughes and Chamberlain, I don&#039;t see how the Yankees don&#039;t step up and get the guy.

You would have CC-Doc-AJ and one of the young guns tied up for the next 3-4 years.  That&#039;s just ridiculous.

It forces everybody in the division to play catch up.

The one thing JP can&#039;t do is take a lesser package because he won&#039;t deal the guy in the division.  That&#039;s the worst thing a GM can do and that&#039;s why I don&#039;t think he will do it.

Billy Beane doesn&#039;t think like that and JP worships his mentor.  I don&#039;t think the division stuff is even an issue.

An issue of will, some guts and convincing ownership this is a move to make.

Who knows if it will happen but, its fun to banter about the possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GLove,</p>
<p>Its one of those rare moments the Yankees not only have the pieces to do the deal, they have ready made replacements for the guys that would be included in such a deal.</p>
<p>They literally can do this deal, as long as Montero isn&#8217;t in it (he is probably the only true off limits guy), and not miss a beat.</p>
<p>The Phillies prospects, especially their higher end prospects, aren&#8217;t as good, or are as close to the majors, as the Yankees prospects.</p>
<p>For example:  Kyle Drabek is coming off TJ surgery and isn&#8217;t close to ML ready.  Bastardo has a bad shoulder and is on the DL.  Neither guy is a Hughes or Chamberlain level prospect.</p>
<p>Michael Taylor and Dominic Brown are nice prospects.  Melky Cabrera is better than both of them right now and Austin Jackson is too.</p>
<p>Problem is, the Blue Jays have a lot of OF&#8217;s.  They lack healthy, front line starting pitching from the right side.</p>
<p>Lou Marston isn&#8217;t even as good as Austin Romine and Austin is probably the third or fourth best C prospect in the Yankees system right now.</p>
<p>Jason Donald?  Not as good as Ramiro Pena right now.  I&#8217;ll also take Nunez&#8217;s bat over Donald. Although, Donald has a much better glove than Nunez.</p>
<p>Also, are the Phillies ready to take their payroll over the 150 million mark?  That&#8217;s what it will be if they sign him to an extension.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t, are you ready to trade 4 good prospects for 1 1/2 years of Roy Halladay?</p>
<p>Sometimes, things come up that make you alter your original plan.  That&#8217;s what happened in the off-season with Mark Teixeira.</p>
<p>When people say, &#8220;they won&#8217;t trade young pitching for Santana, why for Halladay&#8221;?  They HAD Hughes in the Santana deal.  Bill Smith was dumb enough to say &#8220;no&#8221;.</p>
<p>JMO but, if Montero is not in the deal, and JP isn&#8217;t asking for BOTH Hughes and Chamberlain, I don&#8217;t see how the Yankees don&#8217;t step up and get the guy.</p>
<p>You would have CC-Doc-AJ and one of the young guns tied up for the next 3-4 years.  That&#8217;s just ridiculous.</p>
<p>It forces everybody in the division to play catch up.</p>
<p>The one thing JP can&#8217;t do is take a lesser package because he won&#8217;t deal the guy in the division.  That&#8217;s the worst thing a GM can do and that&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t think he will do it.</p>
<p>Billy Beane doesn&#8217;t think like that and JP worships his mentor.  I don&#8217;t think the division stuff is even an issue.</p>
<p>An issue of will, some guts and convincing ownership this is a move to make.</p>
<p>Who knows if it will happen but, its fun to banter about the possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJ,

I know. I seriously can&#039;t wait to see it play out. I love trade season and off season moves and the dance that goes into them something fierce.

I have a feeling he&#039;s going to be a Yankee or a Brewer before all is said and done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ,</p>
<p>I know. I seriously can&#8217;t wait to see it play out. I love trade season and off season moves and the dance that goes into them something fierce.</p>
<p>I have a feeling he&#8217;s going to be a Yankee or a Brewer before all is said and done.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ44</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJ44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s going to be interesting is to see what the Jays do if the Yankee offer (and there will be one) is the best offer on the table.

That is when the rubber will meet the road.

Deal him to NY, keep him, or trade him to a NL team.

Gonna be fun to watch, that&#039;s for sure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s going to be interesting is to see what the Jays do if the Yankee offer (and there will be one) is the best offer on the table.</p>
<p>That is when the rubber will meet the road.</p>
<p>Deal him to NY, keep him, or trade him to a NL team.</p>
<p>Gonna be fun to watch, that&#8217;s for sure!</p>
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		<title>By: G. Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony Murillo,

I agree with you on every point except that Cano not hitting in the 5 hole is from laziness. 

I think he&#039;s actually trying too hard to get runners in and is swinging like a wild man hoping to knock in an RBI. 

That&#039;s not lazy. That&#039;s just bad approach. 

And believe me, last season I was the conductor on the &quot;Cano is lazy&quot; train because he was. 

That said, I agree with everything else you wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony Murillo,</p>
<p>I agree with you on every point except that Cano not hitting in the 5 hole is from laziness. </p>
<p>I think he&#8217;s actually trying too hard to get runners in and is swinging like a wild man hoping to knock in an RBI. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not lazy. That&#8217;s just bad approach. </p>
<p>And believe me, last season I was the conductor on the &#8220;Cano is lazy&#8221; train because he was. </p>
<p>That said, I agree with everything else you wrote.</p>
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