Wrapping it up from Minneapolis
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There is usually some aspect of the game you can focus on to tell the story. The Yankees made that tough tonight.
Everybody in the lineup had at least one hit. Seven players had at least one RBI. Everybody but Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui scored at least one run. CC Sabathia pitched well. But let’s face it, he was in a rocking chair most of the night.
It was just one of those games where everybody did a little something.
Here’s CC talking about his start:
The Yankees are 9-9 in CC’s 18 starts. Look for that to change. He usually heats it up in the summer and he’s had a little bad luck that’ll balance out, starting five games that the Yankees lost by one or two runs.
As for Robinson Cano, he was all smiles afterward after breaking that 0 for 21 streak with RISP. He didn’t know the exact numbers but he knew he had been stinking it up. Here’s Robbie:
A.J. Burnett faces Glenn Perkins tomorrow. Come back for more.
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The Yanks haven’t had many of these games this year – it was very nice to be able to relax during a game for once, lol.
I’m not familar with Perkins, but AJ has been pitching absolutely brilliantly. I suppose he’s due for a bad outing, but I’d love to see him shut the Twinkies down again.
I’m happy for Cano – I just don’t get how such a good hitter could struggle so mightily with RISP. It has to be mental……..
I hate when the games are on MY9.
I think CC was motivated by not being in the All Star Game.
He was the CC of old tonight.
Did Robbie say he was looking at the computer to see what he was doing wrong?
A good game all around.
Hope they can take tomorrow’s contest as well.
Aceves looking right at home in the dugout tonight. Is the 65 limit like the LLWS? As long as they’re below the limit at the beginning of an inning they can stay in?
Cano won’t continue his non-hitting with RISP ways. These things have a tendency of evening out.
Freakish things around the league:
1. Ryan Dempster broke his toe when he jumped the rail in a walk-off celebration with the Cubs last week. He’s on the DL.
2. man-ram got tossed tonight. Caught looking in his first PA. Struck out looking on a ball 6 in. off the plate in his second PA. Had words with the ump, threw all his batting gear on the ground, and got tossed. The ump? Good ol’ Hirschbeck.
vb03 July 8th, 2009 at 12:56 am
Cano won’t continue his non-hitting with RISP ways. These things have a tendency of evening out.
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This isn’t a casino and we’re not rolling dice here.
The back of someone’s baseball card is the best indicator of a ballplayer’s tendencies – not the odds.
I don’t think Cano is going to be 1-for-21 bad with RISP the rest of the season, but I don’t expect him to drastically turn his poor performance with runners on base around.
Cano always seems to change his approach with runners on base. He pulls everything in those situations and rolls over outside pitches. You rarely see pitchers throw Cano anything to hit over the inner third. They always target the outside edge.
He drives the ball to all fields with the bases empty but he pulls everything and becomes too aggressive with runners on.
That’s what Cano does. When was the last time you saw him take that outside pitch and drive the ball to the opposite field with runners on base?
“That’s what Cano does. When was the last time you saw him take that outside pitch and drive the ball to the opposite field with runners on base?”
I saw him do it, when he was a rookie one time.
vinny-b (RIP Air McNair) July 8th, 2009 at 1:19 am
“That’s what Cano does. When was the last time you saw him take that outside pitch and drive the ball to the opposite field with runners on base?”
I saw him do it, when he was a rookie one time.
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My point exactly.
Pete,
CC has had GOOD luck this season when it comes to run allowance. All of his peripheral stats are down, but he’s maintaining a very good ERA. If he doesn’t get his K’s up, I’ll expect worse performance; not better.
The peripheal stats being down probably relate to him facing tougher clubs in the AL East than the AL Central.
Yankee fans need to boo millar more loudly. And get this guy some Rice Krispies “No pop…”
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....-too-nice/
Rebecca — His BABIP coming in to tonight was .270, which is 100% unsustainable. That has nothing to do with the competition.
Millar is right
The new stadium is a joke
1. Get rid of the moat
2. Uncover Monument Cave
3. Move back the RF wall
4. Get rid of the Legends Seats
5. Slash prices in half
Keep Cano as the number 7 hitter he seems to thrive hitting in the bottom of order. Nice job by the bottom of the order Cano, Gardner and Cervelli combined to go 7-for-14 with two doubles, a triple, 6 RBI’s, and 5 runs scored. Yankees have the best offense in the league.
they cannot fix what is wrong with yankee stadium especailly the walls until next year…..
CC has been real good. take out the game he left with a injury, he went 7 or more like 10 of 11 games, that is a stud……
he strikes out batters when he needs to, up 7 runs throw it over the plate…he is a pitcher now not a thrower
I think the new stadium is really nice I dont understand all of the complaints. The yankees seem to like it they have one of the best home records. I could care less what Kevin Millar thinks.
The place is not as loud because they are like 4000 less seats. And also the yankees are not selling out. They just need to reduce prices next year and get the stadium full and they will be fine.
I just read on the Yankees site that Aceves is starting Thursday,and will be on a 65 pitch count. What happened to Mitre?
It’s not as loud because the design is more open and the upper grandstands were moved back.
It just doesn’t hold in the sound the way the old Stadium did.
You could probably have 65,000 fans in that new Stadium and it wouldn’t be as loud as the old one with 50,000.
haiku-man,
“What happened to mitre?”
I don’t think anything happened to him.
Don’t know when the decision was made, but those chose to go with Aceves. Aceves pitched 4 innings on Sunday. mitre pitched tonight (Tuesday).
They say they’ll reassess after the all-star-break. If he does well on Thursday, maybe they’ll stretch him out more over the break. And have him throwing bullpens on a regular basis like a starter would.
Anyone map out what the rotation would be coming out of the all star break? Aceves could have almost two weeks to stretch out, no?
i was right about aceves starting on thursday
Okay, I guess Foster and Hirschbeck noshed and this is what they decided:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4312679
The fewer Yankees on the All-Star team, the better, IMO. In such a long, grueling season, a few days off is probably the best thing for a player, health-wise and mentally. Why risk injury or greater exhaustion? In fact, I believe that every true Yankee fan should vote for anyone BUT Yankees. Put all Red Sox in, that’d be fantastic. I wish Jeter wasn’t on the team. Can anyone give me one single reason why any Yankees fan should vote for a Yankee to be on the All-Star team?
CC scheduled to pitch Sunday 7/12 in Anaheim.
The next game is Friday 7/17 in Detroit. That would be regular rest for him.
That means everyone else skips a start?
ack. Detroit @ Yankee Stadium
CC vs Verlander again nice
Millar doesn’t get booed anymore in NY because he’s no longer a relevant player. Booing on the road is a sign of fear or respect. Those days have passed Millar by.
We need a new post
Millar is not that far off in his assessment of the stadium. I loved the newness of the place and it was comfortable, but a lot of what he said, I agree with. Lots of concrete there – too much gray.
Great game last night. Too bad it was on MY9. Last year it seemed like they always lost on MY9. Glad to see that trend reverse.
Take your head out of a stat sheet and watch the game.
If you think CC’ is heading on a downward path you need your head examined.
He’s always bee a second half pitcher.
It’s not going to change this year.
Lovin’ that “new” explanation from Hirschbeck.
Instead of worrying about who took PED’s, the media ought to start casting a much stronger light on the umpires right now.
Their performance this year has been downright embarrassing.
Manny got thrown out last night on a ball that was closer to the Bronx than the corner of the plate. Tossing him is a way of covering for a bad call.
The “new” explanation on Jeter’s call doesn’t even pass the laugh test.
What other sport do you see officials miss (counting balls and strikes, which have become a joke) 10+ calls every night?
Another example of Mariano Rivera’s greatness. He gets to pitch in the “bad umpire, Postage Stamp Strikezone Era”.
If Mo had Goose’s strikezone to work off of from the 80’s, its scary what his numbers would be.
Start putting pressure on these guys to do a better job or somebody is going to win a tainted pennant or World Series again.
Its inexcusable to see this kind of shoddy work from the umpires.
This is major league baseball. Everybody deserves better than what they are getting from these guys this year.
“That’s what Cano does. When was the last time you saw him take that outside pitch and drive the ball to the opposite field with runners on base?”
…Cano lined out over Span’s head the previoius AB
Pete, I think I’ll come back for more. Thanks.
Whoa!
I just read the umpire story.
So, now Jeter “misheard” what he was told. Yeah, right.
And, now Girardi was ejected from a game on Monday because he argued a call on Sunday?
Okay.
Makes sense to me. Sigh.
Re: the umpires. Used to be fans would think, wow, the umpires really have it against my team. But with more exposure to more games via Fox, ESPN, and MLB Network, plus all the RSNs, and internet (esp. Gameday), a lot more fans see a lot more games. And it’s becoming obvious that bad calls are rampant.
I’m not talking about close calls that it takes the average viewer ten looks via the slo-mo replay to decide whether the umpire was right or wrong. I respect that those guys have to make split decisions on a lot of close calls, and they get a lot of those right.
But the ones that are so wrong that you’re wondering if they’re even looking at the play at all, those are the ones that seem to be growing in number.
Doreen,
They are out of control. Its one thing to be bad. They are bad AND out of control and that’s not good.
They are lazy. Many of them are overweight, which leads to the missed calls because they are slow to get in good position to make calls, and they are VERY combative.
At least from reading Hirschbeck’s response, you can add, they are now liars to the list.
Lazy, overweight, combative liars.
Not exactly something you want from the people who are supposed to enforce the rules on a nightly basis.
Its a big, big problem and its been largely ignored in the “gotcha” culture of who took PED’s.
Time to shine the light heavily on them and force them to be better. The game deserves better than they are getting from these guys this year.
I think the ump now misremembers his original comment
Manny got tossed because he through his elbow pad up in the air and it landed within 10 feet of Hirshbeck. He deserved it.
That said, I agree completely on the umpiring and it’s been going downhill ever since Sandy Alderson left the front office. I keep hoping Baby Doc Selig will put someone in charge that has a backbone before they get too powerful again.
Halliday is fun to think about, but I can’t imagine the Jays trading him within the division and having to face him 4-6 times a year. Philadelphia would seem to make sense as would the Dodgers since both have the cash and could offer up some fine young talent.
I enjoyed the new Stadium, especially the comforts and ease of moving around. Monument park is awful and will be fixed. Painting the bare cement “Yankees Blue” with some team logos mixed in would eliminate the prison-like visual. The biggest reason it’s not as loud is the mega rich are not noisy fans and there are more mega rich close to the field. Get used to it.
SJ44 -
The minor league games I’ve gone to, the umpires are in much better shape and do a much better job, imo, of covering the bases, and there are one fewer of them per game.
I suppose what happens when they get to the ML, or some of them, is the same thing that happens to anyone who has a guaranteed job and very little performance oversight.
It’s a shame. And a disgrace.
If you are Hirschbeck, you are better off putting out no explanation than the “he misremembered” explanation.
Nobody is going to believe it. All it does is compound the issue and makes you out to be a liar.
This is what happens when you don’t have a tight reign on the officials who run the game.
Ever since Sandy Alderson left the Commissioners Office (he oversaw the umpires), its a been a free for all.
Mike Port, who is now in charge of them, just lets them do whatever they want.
Its not an “Anti-Yankee” thing either. They are awful almost every night in every game. Its that bad.
MLB has to get a handle on this. As the summer wears on, and so many teams are fighting to make the playoffs, tempers are going to be real short.
That means, the umpires have to get their heads out of their butts and be better. No excuses, no lying, just be better.
If not, we are going to see some nasty confrontations between players, managers and umpires as the stress levels rise in the season.
Wow, give me a break…….the umpires never have to be accountable to anyone and they back each other up no matter what. I don’t care how strong the umpires union is – I would love to break it and fire all of these bums. I thought John Hirschbeck had more integrity than that.
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And Manny pretty much put on the throw-show because he knew he was done for the night. And pretty much admitted to that based on what he was quoted as saying the the morning papers. “But I was coming out in the fifth anyway.” The strike call was wrong, but Manny needs to not be throwing stuff on the field. What I found even more interesting though, was this by Joe Torre: “he said he can’t have that (the umpire). I didn’t argue with him. I just tried to say, basically, he threw his helmet and his bat like he normally does.”
Say what? This is okay behavior? And Joe Torre thinks its okay? Wow. Amazing what being able to hit a baseball will get you.
I have a feeling the Yanks will get Halladay
i cannot handle the umpire lack of accountability – drives me nuts…
but is anyone in NYC making a big deal of this?? (still in Delware until tomorrow):
WORST
• David Wright went hitless again, going 0-for-3 in an 8-0 loss against the Dodgers. Wright does not have a hit in his past four games, an 0-for-14 run that has dropped his batting average from .338 to .322. Since late June, Wright’s average has dropped 34 points from the .356 average he held on June 26.
Rishi,
His name is not A-Rod so no.
the umpires union has too tell the umps to get their act tegether for their own good to protect their interests.
jetes call was a mess.
the ball beat you.
give me a break.
i can see on a doble play if you are close too the bag but on a steal when the yankees are trailing & a call decides the game jeter must be tagged,period.
at home plate if the ball beats the runner but the runner knocks the ball loose is the ump going too say the ball beat you & it doesn’t matter that you knocked it too the backstop??
The whole, “they won’t trade him within the division” argument is not backed up by facts.
The Jays traded David Cone and Roger Clemens within the division (to the Yankees) because they felt the package they receieved was the best deal on the table.
If JP trades Halladay, he’s going to take the best deal on the table. If its from a division rival, he will do it because his job is to take the best offer for him.
There are certainly legitimate reasons why the “best offer” won’t come from the Yankees.
However, the fallacy that the Jays won’t trade him within the division really needs to end.
You mean to tell me that if Boston offered, Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, Lars Anderson and Casey Kelly, JP wouldn’t trade him in the division?
Conversely, if the Yankees offered, Joba Chamberlain, Mark Melancon, Austin Romine and Dellin Betances, JP is going to say, “I’ll take a lesser offer from the Phillies because they aren’t in the division”. Ain’t happening.
Also, Doc has a full no trade. Meaning, if he is traded, he’s going where HE wants to go and not necessarily where JP wants to ship him.
If he wants to go to NY, Baltimore or Boston, guess what? He’s getting traded to a division rival.
Fans and media get too caught up in the inter-division stuff.
JP has to make a deal for Halladay that allows him to look his owners in the eye and say, “We got maximum value for him”.
If its from a division rival, that’s just the way it goes.
That’s what I thought, Carl…facinating. I thought he “needed to step up and be the leader”
In a more positive vein, isn’t it nice that if last night was Cervelli’s last for a while, that he went out on such a high note?
it’s ok, Kevin Millar – you won’t ever play here as more than a visitor anyways…ugh – how annoying (from the rest of that nyt blog entry)
Rishi July 8th, 2009 at 8:21 am
That’s what I thought, Carl…facinating. I thought he “needed to step up and be the leader”
They used to say he was becoming a leader until they started losing. They were gritty until Beltran went down.
Nice analysis SJ44.
About David Wright – you do have to wonder if he’s even being given anything to hit? I mean, there’s no protection in that lineup whatsoever. He does have hit, I know. But the entire situation makes things so much more difficult.
No one is hitting there.
It is interesting though, that there is not nearly the attention given to it as there might be to the third baseman across town.
manny’s a clown, but that last strike call was purely an attempt from the ump to test Manny after his choice words after his first strikeout.
The Halladay thing is a fun thought but not logical… I imagine the discussion will continue anyway.
Glad to see the Yankees win again and in strong fashion…now we only have to win 2 more on this road trip and everyone will be happy…
** he does HAVE TO hit**
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/
I agree…..
Betsy
The whole he wont trade in the division stuff is nonsense.
too cute:
Laura spends the bulk of her time overseeing the Jorge Posada Foundation – which raises awareness and money to combat Craniosynostosis – as well as being a mom for Jorge Jr., now 9, and 6-year-old Paulina, who seems to have some of the feistiness of her father. “Paulina loves the attention. She’s walking down the street and she sees somebody with a Yankee hat and she’s like, ‘My dad is Jorge Posada!’ We have to tone it down and say, ‘Paulina, you can’t do that,’” says Laura.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....KjST&C
I think it has less to do with trading in the division than it has to do with what Cashman or anyone else is willing to offer. I am not sure he’d trade what it would take for a 32-year-old pitcher, even if it is Doc Halladay.
And again, who’s to say Halladay would even want to pitch in NY? I’ve read that he hated the old YS and apparently he had a bad reaction to the new YS. Now, you could chalk that up to a great pitcher being pissed off that he wasn’t pitching well………but on the other hand, the possibility exists that he has no desire to spend the next few years pitching in the YS. Either way, if the Jays want 4/5 top prospects, including an ace-type pitcher (Joba and Phil are not aces obviously ), forget it.
I’m still for some ability to call for a video review a-la the NFL.
Could be once a game or once a series. Heck it could be once a month but once it’s available I think it helps to keep umps on their toes.
No one wants to be the guy that has his call overturned and then analyzed over and over on ESPN etc.
And some of these umps are a bit soft in the middle.
Having actually done it I can say that I was shocked at how physically demanding it is. Especially home plate.
Not saying you have to be young but being obese has to take something away from your ability to do the job properly.
We saw the same “analysis” from the guys on the beat when it came to signing Teixeira, Betsy. How did that turn out?
Don’t believe any of that stuff.
If folks think the Yankees aren’t going to be engaged in Halladay talks, they haven’t been watching how this franchise operates for the last 37 years.
They won’t comment publicly and Brian Cashman is not going to give daily “Doc Updates”.
However, if Doc is really on the market, the Yankees are on the short list of his next destination.
Even though JP Ricciardi is from Massachusetts he has to be a fan of the Yankees.
JP Ricciardi became a coach in the New York Yankees farm system in the early 1980s
He has two sons, Mariano and Dante.
I like our chances
I agree that if Doc is going somewhere that the Yankees would seem to be on the short list of winning franchises he would want to go to and on the short list of teams that could really afford the contract extension he would most likely require, but I still think it’s a pipe-dream because the Yankees would have to give up too many prospects…
Carl, I suppose if he gets the right package, JP would do it ………but I also agree with Feinsand. The Yankees are not going to give up what the Jays will require.
I think Manny had jawed a bit in an earlier at bat about a strike call. That might have been why he was rung up in his last at bat. It was a ball though, and not by a little bit.
Torre had said that it was news to him that Manny was coming out of the game at that time anyway, so Manny was being Manny… again.
I think it may take the fans writing the Commissioners office continually regarding the poor officiating of the games. If the Commissioner gets a ton of mail then he may actually start to realise there is a problem.
Bad calls happen, but when it was a close play you can put it behind you. The bad call on Jeter could have been the difference of the game. Had he scored and everything else been the same it would have been a tie game. Given the other bad calls the game result could very well have been different.
David Wright speaks:
After another awful loss in a season already full of them before the All-Star break, David Wright stood in the home clubhouse Tuesday night at Citi Field and blasted the Mets for the way they’ve been playing. They were the best hacks Wright has taken all week.
“I just think we stink right now, we’re just not very good,” Wright said after the Mets’ sickly 8-0 loss to the Dodgers. “When you don’t pitch, you don’t hit, you don’t play defense, you’re not going to win very many games. We’re not playing very good baseball. … I don’t think anybody’s having very much fun right now.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....xzPh&C
SJ —
I never said he wouldn’t deal within the division, but I also doubt that Ricciardi will. Your argument isn’t based in fact either, since Ricciardi did not make those deals. Also, Clemens forced that trade. Ricciardi is not forced to move Doc. Clemens was in Toronto for only two years and Cone was there for an even shorter stint and the Jays were awful that year.
Hallliday is an icon in the organization making an intra-division even more unlikely.
Sure, if the Yankees or Red Sawx make an absurd offer that changes the dynamic, but absent that I don’t see it happening.
Carl, we’re not getting a discount because JP was a coach in the farm system and has a son named Mariano…
Betsy
He wants to win. We give him that opportunity. We also have AJ Burnett.
Random thinking, what do you guys think the chances are of Johnny Damon coming back next year, primarily as a DH?
At the beginning of the year I couldn’t wait to get Damon off the team bc he useless in the field. However, he dominating at the new stadium. He’s likely to finish with around 25HRs, .280something batting average, and probably around 90 RBI. Based on the free agents that could be out there, rather lack thereof, I think he’s a good choice to return as DH. He’d likely get a deal similar in pay to Pat Burrell/Bobby Abreu, somewhere in that 7-10 mil category. This also opens an OF spot for Austin Jackson to get called up.
Hokiehill July 8th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Carl, we’re not getting a discount because JP was a coach in the farm system and has a son named Mariano…
It was a joke lol
SJ, of course they’ll put out feelers for Doc – doesn’t mean they’re going to do it. Tex cost nothing but $$$ – getting Doc means almost destroying the farm system. It’s not worth it to me and I think the Yankees will ultimately agree (again, doesn’t meant they won’t be in on it – at least for a while).
I was hoping so! LOL
Let’s not act as if 32 is ancient. It isn’t.
The guy is an extreme groundball pitcher whose style of pitching and mechanics make him a great candidate to be pitching for years injury free.
His delivery produces less strain on his arm and shoulder than almost anybody in the game.
Would he play in NY? He has his buddy (AJ) telling him all the time what a great place it is, how great the guys are in the clubhouse, and how good the team is.
You don’t think Roy Halladay wants to win a ring and be a HOF pitcher?
How many Toronto Blue Jays are in the Hall of Fame?
As you get older, you realize that you want a legacy in the game.
You go to a team like the Yankees and win, people start talking about HOF and stuff like that.
It ALL matters to players who have the pride Halladay possesses.
The issue for the Yankees is cost. Not in salary. That they can cover, regardless of what they say, easily.
The “cost” is in the number of prospects/players they would have to surrender in the deal.
“Cost” is also factored in as to what happens if Boston were to get him. That also plays into it and did in the Teixeira talks.
Tank,
I think it will be a combination of Jorge Posada and Jesus Montero catching and DHing. Posada being the main catcher while and Montero being the back up.
I’m sure AJ and Doc are close, but they aren’t siamese twins. If Doc has an issue with NY (not that he can’t handle it, but that he just doesn’t want to pitch here being a quiet type from CO) or the Stadium, AJ can’t help him with those. It doesn’t matter, though, if the Yankees will not agree to the players the Jays want.
not sure what the actual system is, but the umpires should be promoted/demoted based on how they grade over the season. If a guy is out of shape, missing a ton of calls, etc… then send him down to AAA and pay him less money…if a guy in AAA is in good shape and grades well then bring him up to the big leagues…
The umps explanation is a blatant lie. Why would an ump say that the ball beat you if he also said that you were tagged? If there was a tag, obviously the ball beat you. If an ump felt thee tag was made he may say that a player got tagged on the hand or the arm but not the ball beat you then there was a tag.
It took 2 days to come up with this?
That’s the thing though. They can make that trade and still keep the farm relatively intact because the key piece is going to be a Joba/Hughes.
I think Riccardi might be intrigued by a Joba/Pena led package.
Now that I believe about Halladay – that he would want to go to a winning team (and not just a regular winning team, a team with solid championship aspirations most years)……
Mussina was older when he signed with the Yanks. Burnett is older.
How do you know its going to “destroy the farm system”?
Chances are pretty strong it won’t because nobody is going to destroy its farm system to acquire him.
Its not going to destroy the farm system for the team that gets him.
Also, its not up to JP where he lands. Its up to Halladay because he controls where he goes.
That’s what gets lost in the analysis.
If Doc wants to stay in the AL East, that’s where he’s going.
Or, the Blue Jays just take two first round picks for him after next year. The liklihood of that happening is slim.
Bronx Jeers, I still would not trade Joba or Hughes. I want both of them in the rotation for years to come. Yes, I realize that the odds of any pitcher becoming Halladay are slim to none, but that really doesn’t mean much to me. They are young and I do expect them to be studs. How many Halladays are out there anyway? Doesn’t mean that they aren’t ace types…..
“Or, the Blue Jays just take two first round picks for him after next year. The liklihood of that happening is slim.”
JP could theoretically just say “no were not trading you in the division” and take the picks. I highly doubt it though.
Halladay has no issues with NY. None.
Fact is, if the Yankees want to do a deal for him, they can put together a better package than almost anybody in the game, with the possible exception of Boston.
There is a very small circle of teams that have the money, desire, quality of team, desired location for Doc (since he has a full no trade, this is the most important ingredient) and prospects who can do this deal.
The Phillies can have all the need in the world to do the deal. If he doesn’t want to change leagues, or go to Philadelphia, guess what? It ain’t happening.
Frankly, if he is traded at all, I think its NY or Boston.
I don’t see anybody else stepping up the way those teams can and will for a player like this.
SJ44 is right, if Halladay is indeed going to get traded, there are two reasons why he won’t get traded to the Yankees.
1. He doesn’t want to be a Yankee for whatever reason.
2. The Yankees didn’t offer the best package of players for him in return.
SJ44,
Not to be combative, but how do you know that Halladay doesn’t have any issues with NY? Is this your opinion or a fact?
Man when you Google:Hieschbeck bad mlb call you get a lot of stuff on the bad call.
Ae starting Thurs,might work well,CC had a low pitch count. ACE has good control and a swagger,so to speak.I hope he grasp the opportunity.If HE’S SMART HE HAS TO SEE,an incredible openning for himself.Wang gained from being called up too,remember?
Also, the Angels have a good farm system too, why aren’t they a possibility?
Doc has the ability to nix any deal, but he doesn’t have the ability to make JP take some crappy one. Even if Halladay says that he’ll refuse to go anywhere besides NY, JP won’t trade him to NY for crap just because that’s where Doc wants to go…he just wouldn’t trade him in that situation. The issue that makes this unlikely IMO is that even if Roy wants to come to NY and JP doesnt care about trading in the division (neither of which you can be certain of) I still don’t think the Yankees will give up the pieces it would take to get him here.
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Carl,
He can definitely do that. He also won’t be the GM next year if he does.
If you have a chance to get 4-5 players, 3 who are major league, or just about ML ready, for Halladay and turn it down for 2 draft picks, you aren’t a GM for long in the game.
JP knows this is his best shot at dealing him.
The economy is in the tank. Its not going to be better from a baseball perspective in the off-season.
Next trade deadline? Nobody is giving up maximum value for him then because he will just walk in a few months and test the market.
This is the time to make the best possible deal for him. That’s why he went public with the “For Sale” sign.
There is never any guarantee any young, hotshot pitcher, I don’t care what team they play for, will be in a rotation for “years to come”.
That’s a nice cliche. It rarely rings true.
Just go back 4 years and look at the Top 10 young pitchers in any Baseball America story and chart their progress.
For every Tim Lincicum, there is a Homer Bailey.
For every young stud, there is a Mark Prior, whose career got ruined by injuries.
If you have a chance to trade known for unknown, you do it.
Especially if its the difference between making the playoffs and missing them.
The thing is Betsy, when you can put up 3 guys like CC, AJ and Halladay in a row, well I don’t have to tell you what that means.
CC + Halladay = Unit + Schilling circa 2001. Then add AJ.
if the yankees get halladay for one of joba/hughes ,romine/cervelli, 2 of brackman/kennedy/mcallister/melancon,etc our system is still in good shape because montero is our future catcher probably,halladay is a huge upgrade over hughes or joba not to mention we keep one of them.
the others are replaceable.
for the next few years we are a much better team.not even close.
if we can keep one of joba/hughes,ajax,montero we would have too do the trade.
can you imagine running out
sabathia
halladay
burnett
The Angels are definitely a contender for his services. They have the players and the money to do a deal if so inclined.
Cash,
I owned a minor league team that Doc played on when he was starting out. I know a lot of guys in the game. He’s not Anti- NY. Especially with AJ telling him how great it is.
He wants to win and he likes familarity. That’s why I would be mildly surprised if he chose to go to the NL.
I think he likes the challenge of pitching in the AL and I think he is smart enough to know he can work his way onto one of the better AL Teams by using his no trade clause to his advantage.
SJ44,
Gotcha.
The other point of this is, the Blue Jays will NEVER get equal value for Doc when he is traded.
They know that. You never get equal value when you trade a stud like Halladay.
What you attempt to do is, get MORE value than the 2 first round picks you get when he leaves as a free agent.
That’s what folks lose sight of when talking about deals like this.
They spend time trying to “match up” value to value, Halladay against the players coming back in the deal.
That’s not going to happen.
The “match up” if you will is, how much better is the package you are getting in return than the two first round picks you get when he leaves?
That’s what you have to focus on as this thing plays out.
boston is in a great position.
they have the prospects & a ton of money to spend.
the yankees can never be counted out.
we have all learned that.
i just don’t know if boston will wan’t to give up 3 or 4 of their top prospects probably starting with buch or spend the money.
if we ever landed halladay boston better fear us.
i would do it for joba,,romine,brackman,melancon.
SJ44,
Thank you for the response, but AJ is now an east coast type of guy due to his wife and I’m not sure about Halladay wanting to come here. I hope you’re right and that I’m just being paranoid about that possibility.
trading him gives the jays a better read on the prospects they are getting & the jays get almost guaranteed major leaguers who are ready or very close.
waiting for picks eliminates the above scenario.
it is very hard to determine how draft picks will pan out.
SJ44 if you don’t mind playing GM/scout for us….which one would you move, Joba or Hughes?
Well this isn’t my argument,so here’s a thought (my 2cents.)
If Halladay likes mucho zeroes behind his name,and a first class operation behind Him,as well as being showcased in the #1 markt,he’ll come around.
All player’s want a chance to to play in the most storied franchise in baseball,The New York Yankees!!
I was speaking to some Cardinal fans,and they are worried sick,sick I tell you that the Cards,might not be able to resign Pujols,before his contract is up.Of course I fan the flames,by saying The Cards better not let him out on the open market,he’ll get offers that’ll make his head swim!
Pujols reminds me of Arod (when in TEXAS),a big fish, in a small pond(St Louis.) If he wants to be considered really great,he’ll have to stop hiding out in the small market,like Arod did.