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		<title>By: Yankee Fan in VA</title>
		<link>http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2009/07/09/sweeping-up-after-a-sweep/comment-page-3/#comment-901083</link>
		<dc:creator>Yankee Fan in VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Nats are so bad that they can’t even make bizarre baseball history.&quot;

Except that they did.

Joel Hanrahan pitched the top of the 11th before the game was suspended. Afterwards he got traded to Pittsburgh.

When the game was suspended, Elijah Dukes was on second base. He&#039;s in AAA now. So he was replaces by Nyjer Morgan, who came over from Pittsburgh in the same deal that sent Hanrahan to the Pirates. Morgan scored on a botched double play.

So the winning run was scored by a guy who wasn&#039;t on the team when the game started, making a winning pitcher out of a guy who not only is no longer on the team, but was basically traded for the guy who scored the winning run. Bizarre enough for me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Nats are so bad that they can’t even make bizarre baseball history.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that they did.</p>
<p>Joel Hanrahan pitched the top of the 11th before the game was suspended. Afterwards he got traded to Pittsburgh.</p>
<p>When the game was suspended, Elijah Dukes was on second base. He&#8217;s in AAA now. So he was replaces by Nyjer Morgan, who came over from Pittsburgh in the same deal that sent Hanrahan to the Pirates. Morgan scored on a botched double play.</p>
<p>So the winning run was scored by a guy who wasn&#8217;t on the team when the game started, making a winning pitcher out of a guy who not only is no longer on the team, but was basically traded for the guy who scored the winning run. Bizarre enough for me!</p>
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		<title>By: Doreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I have to say is why would a team be so malicious as to intentionally cause a player&#039;s - a successful one at that - injury?  Because, Randy l, that&#039;s pretty much what you&#039;re accusing Cashman of doing.  Because he didn&#039;t strike out enough hitters?  

I&#039;m not saying they handled his foot re-hab well or not, I have no idea.  They got advice on a rare baseball injury and followed it in good faith.  I will agree that perhaps they should have been more aggressive in noticing what was awry in spring training, but it&#039;s also understandable that they believed inactivity and rust was to blame, and that as soon as he got back to strength he would be fine.

I believe they figured even if he wasn&#039;t 100%, it would work itself out with time and pitching, but who could have imagined he be as bad as he was? 

And the only thing I fault them for was having him come back from SWB too soon.  

But he was making progress and even you mentioned here that he was making progress, that his arm slot was improving his velocity was improving and it was probably a matter of a couple of starts before Wang was close to back.

He has a history of shoulder problems. 

It is incredibly unfortunate that his shoulder got injured.  Especially since up to that point, he looked to be even closer to the Wang of old.

Instead of ranting about how Cashman is negligent, perhaps the shoulder injury is a blessing in disguise, because now he can rehab properly.

I know you hate Cashman, but you are assigning motives to him that I simply choose not to believe any GM is capable of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I have to say is why would a team be so malicious as to intentionally cause a player&#8217;s &#8211; a successful one at that &#8211; injury?  Because, Randy l, that&#8217;s pretty much what you&#8217;re accusing Cashman of doing.  Because he didn&#8217;t strike out enough hitters?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying they handled his foot re-hab well or not, I have no idea.  They got advice on a rare baseball injury and followed it in good faith.  I will agree that perhaps they should have been more aggressive in noticing what was awry in spring training, but it&#8217;s also understandable that they believed inactivity and rust was to blame, and that as soon as he got back to strength he would be fine.</p>
<p>I believe they figured even if he wasn&#8217;t 100%, it would work itself out with time and pitching, but who could have imagined he be as bad as he was? </p>
<p>And the only thing I fault them for was having him come back from SWB too soon.  </p>
<p>But he was making progress and even you mentioned here that he was making progress, that his arm slot was improving his velocity was improving and it was probably a matter of a couple of starts before Wang was close to back.</p>
<p>He has a history of shoulder problems. </p>
<p>It is incredibly unfortunate that his shoulder got injured.  Especially since up to that point, he looked to be even closer to the Wang of old.</p>
<p>Instead of ranting about how Cashman is negligent, perhaps the shoulder injury is a blessing in disguise, because now he can rehab properly.</p>
<p>I know you hate Cashman, but you are assigning motives to him that I simply choose not to believe any GM is capable of.</p>
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		<title>By: Giuseppe Franco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuseppe Franco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t say for certain if the Yanks helped cause Wang&#039;s shoulder injury but I can say unequivocally that the Yanks did completely foul up Wang&#039;s rehab - twice.

Cashman admitted they told him not to do his normal lower body regimen during the offseason because of his lisfranc injury.

That lack of work on his legs is what exacerbated Wang&#039;s issues in April because his velocity was way down and didn&#039;t have the strength in his legs to drive the ball.

The Yanks told Bruney the very same thing over the offseason and he&#039;s had elbow issues all year.

Maybe these issues are related or maybe not.  But I certainly wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it turned out to be the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t say for certain if the Yanks helped cause Wang&#8217;s shoulder injury but I can say unequivocally that the Yanks did completely foul up Wang&#8217;s rehab &#8211; twice.</p>
<p>Cashman admitted they told him not to do his normal lower body regimen during the offseason because of his lisfranc injury.</p>
<p>That lack of work on his legs is what exacerbated Wang&#8217;s issues in April because his velocity was way down and didn&#8217;t have the strength in his legs to drive the ball.</p>
<p>The Yanks told Bruney the very same thing over the offseason and he&#8217;s had elbow issues all year.</p>
<p>Maybe these issues are related or maybe not.  But I certainly wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it turned out to be the case.</p>
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		<title>By: KO</title>
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		<dc:creator>KO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s tough to point fingers for Wang&#039;s injury. I do think that the Yanks mistreated this guy though. I mean before this season he was a few decisions short of qualifying, but he would have had the all time greatest winning percentage (granted in just 3 seasons). I think after he returned from the DL he immediately should have been put back in the rotation, instead he wasn&#039;t and his confidence which was probably already shot only got worse. I do think he was making strides, this injury is rough for him, but I wouldn&#039;t count this guy out in the future. If he&#039;s healthy and confident he&#039;s one of the best. Jorge and Wang have to make a conscious effort to have him throw more sliders, though. He has an above average one and it helps keep the hitters honest with the sinker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s tough to point fingers for Wang&#8217;s injury. I do think that the Yanks mistreated this guy though. I mean before this season he was a few decisions short of qualifying, but he would have had the all time greatest winning percentage (granted in just 3 seasons). I think after he returned from the DL he immediately should have been put back in the rotation, instead he wasn&#8217;t and his confidence which was probably already shot only got worse. I do think he was making strides, this injury is rough for him, but I wouldn&#8217;t count this guy out in the future. If he&#8217;s healthy and confident he&#8217;s one of the best. Jorge and Wang have to make a conscious effort to have him throw more sliders, though. He has an above average one and it helps keep the hitters honest with the sinker.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense randy but I don&#039;t really trust your analysis of what caused Wang&#039;s shoulder injury. Due to your preexisting biases towards the organization and also due to the fact that you don&#039;t have a medical degree (as far as I know) I don&#039;t see why we should believe that his arm slot caused the shoulder injury.

It really is a baseless conclusion.

I don&#039;t want Wang to &quot;move on&quot; and I don&#039;t think the Yankees want him to either.

When Wang is back in August dealing and when he&#039;s back next year winning 17 games I&#039;ll accept your apology on Cashman&#039;s behalf :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense randy but I don&#8217;t really trust your analysis of what caused Wang&#8217;s shoulder injury. Due to your preexisting biases towards the organization and also due to the fact that you don&#8217;t have a medical degree (as far as I know) I don&#8217;t see why we should believe that his arm slot caused the shoulder injury.</p>
<p>It really is a baseless conclusion.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want Wang to &#8220;move on&#8221; and I don&#8217;t think the Yankees want him to either.</p>
<p>When Wang is back in August dealing and when he&#8217;s back next year winning 17 games I&#8217;ll accept your apology on Cashman&#8217;s behalf <img src='http://yankees.lhblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: randy l.</title>
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		<dc:creator>randy l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Yankees didn’t cause his shoulder injury.&quot;

patrick-

the yankees had him pitch all of spring training without having measured his lower body strength after cashman told him to do nothing all winter. 

that was what caused the resulting shoulder injury .

the lower body weakness caused him to lose his normal arm slot and be almost a foot high at times. 

cashman is negligent for knowing wang was injured and  telling him to do nothing until he healed over the winter and then didn&#039;t bother checking to see if he was healed and up to full strength before pitching him like anyone else in spring training.

the yankees most certainly created conditions that were conducive to causing the shoulder injury.

just like they caused joba&#039;s shoulder injury last year by stretching him out too fast.

 despite what you say in your  allegience to cashman, teams can hurt pitchers and in wang&#039;s case they did.

wang , for his own sake really needs to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Yankees didn’t cause his shoulder injury.&#8221;</p>
<p>patrick-</p>
<p>the yankees had him pitch all of spring training without having measured his lower body strength after cashman told him to do nothing all winter. </p>
<p>that was what caused the resulting shoulder injury .</p>
<p>the lower body weakness caused him to lose his normal arm slot and be almost a foot high at times. </p>
<p>cashman is negligent for knowing wang was injured and  telling him to do nothing until he healed over the winter and then didn&#8217;t bother checking to see if he was healed and up to full strength before pitching him like anyone else in spring training.</p>
<p>the yankees most certainly created conditions that were conducive to causing the shoulder injury.</p>
<p>just like they caused joba&#8217;s shoulder injury last year by stretching him out too fast.</p>
<p> despite what you say in your  allegience to cashman, teams can hurt pitchers and in wang&#8217;s case they did.</p>
<p>wang , for his own sake really needs to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benny Blanco-I say Joba.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benny Blanco-I say Joba.</p>
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		<title>By: Benny Blanco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benny Blanco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who will be the better starting pitcher 3 years from now?  Hughes?  Or Chamberlain?

I think it will be hughes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who will be the better starting pitcher 3 years from now?  Hughes?  Or Chamberlain?</p>
<p>I think it will be hughes.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoa whoa whoa, now it&#039;s the Yankees&#039; fault that Wang hurt his shoulder? Randy, you are taking your conspiracy theories a bit too far.

Agreed with Pepitone. I don&#039;t want another high paid player in his 30&#039;s. I especially don&#039;t want to give up a ton of young talent for said player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoa whoa whoa, now it&#8217;s the Yankees&#8217; fault that Wang hurt his shoulder? Randy, you are taking your conspiracy theories a bit too far.</p>
<p>Agreed with Pepitone. I don&#8217;t want another high paid player in his 30&#8242;s. I especially don&#8217;t want to give up a ton of young talent for said player.</p>
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		<title>By: KO</title>
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		<dc:creator>KO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this team is showing lately how talented they are and the damage they can do out there. It really shows how underachieving they were with those losses to the Nats and Marlins. Phil Hughes has simply been dominant and has really anchored our bullpen along with Mo. Starting pitching has been very good for the most part, lineup has been good, and Jorge Posada is really shutting me up lately. If he can keep this up the rest of the year and the next season also, wow. That throw he made today was sick. Let&#039;s hope they keep playing this well and everyone stays healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this team is showing lately how talented they are and the damage they can do out there. It really shows how underachieving they were with those losses to the Nats and Marlins. Phil Hughes has simply been dominant and has really anchored our bullpen along with Mo. Starting pitching has been very good for the most part, lineup has been good, and Jorge Posada is really shutting me up lately. If he can keep this up the rest of the year and the next season also, wow. That throw he made today was sick. Let&#8217;s hope they keep playing this well and everyone stays healthy.</p>
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