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		<title>By: trisha - OPPC lifetime member</title>
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		<dc:creator>trisha - OPPC lifetime member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, here are Joba&#039;s starts, per catcher.  

*Molina*
1ER, 6IP - KC, (ND) Yankee L, 4-6
5ER, 4.2IP - Cle, (ND) Yankee W, 6-5
1ER, 5.1IP - at Bos, (ND) Yankee L, 4-5

*Cervelli*
3ER, 6IP - at Bal (W), 5-3
0ER, .2IP - Min, Yankee W, 7-4
3ER, 4IP - Bal, (ND), Yankee L, 3-7
3ER, 6IP - Wash, (L), 0-3
2ER, 6IP - at Atl, (W), 8-4

*Cash*
2ER, 6IP - Min, (ND), Yankee W, 6-4

*Posada*
1ER, 7IP - at Det, (W), 8-6
2ER, 8IP - at Cle, (W), 5-2
3ER, 6IP - TB, (ND), Yankee W, 4-3
2ER, 4IP - NYM, (ND), Yankee W, 9-8*
3ER, 5.1IP - Sea, (ND), Yankee W, 8-5
3ER, 3.2IP - Tor, (ND), Yankee W, 10-8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, here are Joba&#8217;s starts, per catcher.  </p>
<p>*Molina*<br />
1ER, 6IP &#8211; KC, (ND) Yankee L, 4-6<br />
5ER, 4.2IP &#8211; Cle, (ND) Yankee W, 6-5<br />
1ER, 5.1IP &#8211; at Bos, (ND) Yankee L, 4-5</p>
<p>*Cervelli*<br />
3ER, 6IP &#8211; at Bal (W), 5-3<br />
0ER, .2IP &#8211; Min, Yankee W, 7-4<br />
3ER, 4IP &#8211; Bal, (ND), Yankee L, 3-7<br />
3ER, 6IP &#8211; Wash, (L), 0-3<br />
2ER, 6IP &#8211; at Atl, (W), 8-4</p>
<p>*Cash*<br />
2ER, 6IP &#8211; Min, (ND), Yankee W, 6-4</p>
<p>*Posada*<br />
1ER, 7IP &#8211; at Det, (W), 8-6<br />
2ER, 8IP &#8211; at Cle, (W), 5-2<br />
3ER, 6IP &#8211; TB, (ND), Yankee W, 4-3<br />
2ER, 4IP &#8211; NYM, (ND), Yankee W, 9-8*<br />
3ER, 5.1IP &#8211; Sea, (ND), Yankee W, 8-5<br />
3ER, 3.2IP &#8211; Tor, (ND), Yankee W, 10-8</p>
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		<title>By: E-gawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>E-gawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow that&#039;s rough.. At least we get a break with them this year. It would be great if we could sweep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow that&#8217;s rough.. At least we get a break with them this year. It would be great if we could sweep.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the DWI charge, his Mom is a drug dealer, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. He’s just a messed up piece of white trash who used to be able to throw 95 mph.
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...and he&#039;ll be stomping on the Red Sox&#039;s grave in all his &quot;white trash&quot; glory.

Sucks you don&#039;t have him, doesn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the DWI charge, his Mom is a drug dealer, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. He’s just a messed up piece of white trash who used to be able to throw 95 mph.<br />
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<p>&#8230;and he&#8217;ll be stomping on the Red Sox&#8217;s grave in all his &#8220;white trash&#8221; glory.</p>
<p>Sucks you don&#8217;t have him, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: vb03</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark in Tampa July 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm

“Here’s the problem with some of you people…”

Please do not refer to us as “you people”. We Lohud bloggers have been persecuted, demeaned, and discriminated against for many years; and we take great exception in being called “you people”.

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Help, help, we&#039;re being repressed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark in Tampa July 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm</p>
<p>“Here’s the problem with some of you people…”</p>
<p>Please do not refer to us as “you people”. We Lohud bloggers have been persecuted, demeaned, and discriminated against for many years; and we take great exception in being called “you people”.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Help, help, we&#8217;re being repressed!</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>86w183
July 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Actually Jackson is very highly regarded. He is one of the youngest players in the International League and is hitting over 300 with extra base power and good speed and defense.
He’s better than Bernie was at this age… let’s see what he comes in time.
I think this is an important night for Joba… someone should count the times he shakes his catcher off and the result.
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He is already very, very good. As a defender, he really has instinct to go along with his speed and leaping ability, and his arm is a good one for CF. He&#039;s a gazelle in the OF. 

Boy, you want to help the rotation? Stash this kid in CF. He has a quick bat too, and with the shorter stroke, he&#039;s actually generating way more power than when he had the high leg kick going and the hack swing.

It&#039;s rather condescending when people bleat out that others are &quot;over rating&quot; prospects. It&#039;s really a case-by-case basis. 

I don&#039;t come on here and say I &quot;like&quot; or &quot;don&#039;t like&quot; a player. I don&#039;t say the player is &quot;great&quot; or &quot;stinks&quot; without providing some support for my position. Others here also do a good job of justifying their opinions.

It&#039;s haughty to gloss over anyone who prefers to hang onto high-end players like Jackson and Montero and declare they are unconditionally lovesick over &quot;prospects.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>86w183<br />
July 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm<br />
Actually Jackson is very highly regarded. He is one of the youngest players in the International League and is hitting over 300 with extra base power and good speed and defense.<br />
He’s better than Bernie was at this age… let’s see what he comes in time.<br />
I think this is an important night for Joba… someone should count the times he shakes his catcher off and the result.<br />
====</p>
<p>He is already very, very good. As a defender, he really has instinct to go along with his speed and leaping ability, and his arm is a good one for CF. He&#8217;s a gazelle in the OF. </p>
<p>Boy, you want to help the rotation? Stash this kid in CF. He has a quick bat too, and with the shorter stroke, he&#8217;s actually generating way more power than when he had the high leg kick going and the hack swing.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s rather condescending when people bleat out that others are &#8220;over rating&#8221; prospects. It&#8217;s really a case-by-case basis. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t come on here and say I &#8220;like&#8221; or &#8220;don&#8217;t like&#8221; a player. I don&#8217;t say the player is &#8220;great&#8221; or &#8220;stinks&#8221; without providing some support for my position. Others here also do a good job of justifying their opinions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s haughty to gloss over anyone who prefers to hang onto high-end players like Jackson and Montero and declare they are unconditionally lovesick over &#8220;prospects.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Observer283</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer283</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YankWatcher: If you want to pretend your are a Yankee fan while trolling, you have to try a little harder.

Go back to your Sox blog now. Please. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YankWatcher: If you want to pretend your are a Yankee fan while trolling, you have to try a little harder.</p>
<p>Go back to your Sox blog now. Please. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: YankWatcher</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SJ44&#039;s assessment of Joba (aka Slob-a) is mostly right on. 

Out of shape, spoiled, thinks he knows the game better than veteran catchers, and since his injury last season can&#039;t find his 95 mph fastball to save his life. Also, hits too many opposing batters, which puts our guys at risk. I would love to see Kevin Youkliss take Joba down the next time Joba tries to pop him.

I would love to trade this guy while there is still some trade value left.

Look at the DWI charge, his Mom is a drug dealer, the apple doesn&#039;t fall far from the tree. He&#039;s just a messed up piece of white trash who used to be able to throw 95 mph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SJ44&#8242;s assessment of Joba (aka Slob-a) is mostly right on. </p>
<p>Out of shape, spoiled, thinks he knows the game better than veteran catchers, and since his injury last season can&#8217;t find his 95 mph fastball to save his life. Also, hits too many opposing batters, which puts our guys at risk. I would love to see Kevin Youkliss take Joba down the next time Joba tries to pop him.</p>
<p>I would love to trade this guy while there is still some trade value left.</p>
<p>Look at the DWI charge, his Mom is a drug dealer, the apple doesn&#8217;t fall far from the tree. He&#8217;s just a messed up piece of white trash who used to be able to throw 95 mph.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Murillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Murillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you have to do is look at 2008. 

I&#039;ve said this before and will say it again. Before the 2008 season started, everyone was hoping on board the Generation Next bandwagon. Ian Kennedy was the next Mike Mussina, Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes the next Roger Clemens. That&#039;s all I read on this blog for months and months leading up the season. 

And it blew up in the Yankees faces. 

So do you know what kind of responses Generation Next was getting on here? &quot;BAH! We should have traded for Santana! Joba needs to go back to the bull pen! Ian Kennedy is the biggest ass for making those comments after the game he pitched agasint the Angels!&quot; 

Even the &#039;trade Robinson Cano&#039; bandwagon was starting to gain some more steam.

The problem is that some of you put so much stock, so much hope into these prospect and when they don&#039;t deliver as expected, you people demand for them to be traded or optioned back down to the minors. Or sometimes just straight up released.

The bottom line is this - we do not know what Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson, Andrew Brackman, etc... will be like at a Major League level. To keep passing on these established (and fairly young) starting pitchers like Roy Halladay and Johan Santana is such a major risk. If these prospects don&#039;t work out, we can&#039;t even trade them for the value they were once worth. Then we have to see Santana or Halladay or any other great player we pass up go onto have excellent careers. 

I gurantee you, if the day Jesus Montero is catching for the New York Yankees and he busts big time, all you will read on this blog or anywhere else will be how foolish the Yankees were for passing up on getting a Santana or Halladay.

This is a no brainer in my book. 

Some of you keep saying &quot;we need to think about the future, about the next 10 years&quot;. It&#039;s like your assuming these players will be great...don&#039;t do that. Don&#039;t build up these expectations because when they don&#039;t deliver, and 9 out of 10 times they wont, you guys will complain. 

You all talk about winning a World Championship...I&#039;m with you guys. Getting Roy Halladay gives us that chance now and the near future. I don&#039;t know if Joba/Montero/Jackson/Hughes can give me that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to do is look at 2008. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this before and will say it again. Before the 2008 season started, everyone was hoping on board the Generation Next bandwagon. Ian Kennedy was the next Mike Mussina, Joba Chamberlain and Phil Hughes the next Roger Clemens. That&#8217;s all I read on this blog for months and months leading up the season. </p>
<p>And it blew up in the Yankees faces. </p>
<p>So do you know what kind of responses Generation Next was getting on here? &#8220;BAH! We should have traded for Santana! Joba needs to go back to the bull pen! Ian Kennedy is the biggest ass for making those comments after the game he pitched agasint the Angels!&#8221; </p>
<p>Even the &#8216;trade Robinson Cano&#8217; bandwagon was starting to gain some more steam.</p>
<p>The problem is that some of you put so much stock, so much hope into these prospect and when they don&#8217;t deliver as expected, you people demand for them to be traded or optioned back down to the minors. Or sometimes just straight up released.</p>
<p>The bottom line is this &#8211; we do not know what Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson, Andrew Brackman, etc&#8230; will be like at a Major League level. To keep passing on these established (and fairly young) starting pitchers like Roy Halladay and Johan Santana is such a major risk. If these prospects don&#8217;t work out, we can&#8217;t even trade them for the value they were once worth. Then we have to see Santana or Halladay or any other great player we pass up go onto have excellent careers. </p>
<p>I gurantee you, if the day Jesus Montero is catching for the New York Yankees and he busts big time, all you will read on this blog or anywhere else will be how foolish the Yankees were for passing up on getting a Santana or Halladay.</p>
<p>This is a no brainer in my book. </p>
<p>Some of you keep saying &#8220;we need to think about the future, about the next 10 years&#8221;. It&#8217;s like your assuming these players will be great&#8230;don&#8217;t do that. Don&#8217;t build up these expectations because when they don&#8217;t deliver, and 9 out of 10 times they wont, you guys will complain. </p>
<p>You all talk about winning a World Championship&#8230;I&#8217;m with you guys. Getting Roy Halladay gives us that chance now and the near future. I don&#8217;t know if Joba/Montero/Jackson/Hughes can give me that.</p>
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		<title>By: bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S.A.

Thanks. Forum debating isn&#039;t an exact science, lol.


Doreen,

Agree. Consider the far reaching effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.A.</p>
<p>Thanks. Forum debating isn&#8217;t an exact science, lol.</p>
<p>Doreen,</p>
<p>Agree. Consider the far reaching effects.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ44</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,

Correct-e-mundo.  Out of ALL of these prospects being bantied about, if TWO of them have successful, all star-type of ML careers, you throw a party.

If you have to trade Joba Chamberlain to get Doc Halladay, you do it and don&#039;t look back.

No team is giving up their top 4-5 prospects in a Halladay trade.  Not the Yankees, Phillies or anybody else.

Its all about finding a match that works.  Sometimes you do.  Sometimes you don&#039;t.

However, some of you have to stop putting too much on the prospects.  They aren&#039;t all going to pan out.  Even the &quot;can&#039;t miss&quot; guys miss, more than 50% of the time in MLB.

We all have our &quot;lists&quot; of untouchables.  They are all a LOT longer than the teams lists for the right player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>Correct-e-mundo.  Out of ALL of these prospects being bantied about, if TWO of them have successful, all star-type of ML careers, you throw a party.</p>
<p>If you have to trade Joba Chamberlain to get Doc Halladay, you do it and don&#8217;t look back.</p>
<p>No team is giving up their top 4-5 prospects in a Halladay trade.  Not the Yankees, Phillies or anybody else.</p>
<p>Its all about finding a match that works.  Sometimes you do.  Sometimes you don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>However, some of you have to stop putting too much on the prospects.  They aren&#8217;t all going to pan out.  Even the &#8220;can&#8217;t miss&#8221; guys miss, more than 50% of the time in MLB.</p>
<p>We all have our &#8220;lists&#8221; of untouchables.  They are all a LOT longer than the teams lists for the right player.</p>
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