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Brett Cabrera getting the job done

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 10, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

There was a lot of talk this winter that the Yankees needed to upgrade in center field. But with the season now past its halfway point, Brett Gardner and Melky Cabrera are proving that notion was incorrect.

Brett Cabrera (or Melky Gardner if you prefer) have given the Yankees .289/.354/.436 production in center field this season. They have combined on eight homers, 40 RBI and 15 stolen bases. That’s a .790 OPS.

These statistics take into account only when either player has been the center fielder.

How does that compare?

Torii Hunter (.305/380/.558) has been the best center fielder in the league. He has 17 homers and 65 RBI. But Brett Cabrera has been better than Jacoby Ellsbury (.299/.349/.404), for instance.

If you use OPS to measure, only Hunter, Adam Jones, Franklin Gutierrez, Marlon Byrd and Curtis Granderson have been better than the Yankees’ duo.

The credit goes to Joe Girardi, who has done a good job of deciding who plays on a particular day. Most of it is matching up with the opposing pitcher but there is also a feel to the process.

“I think Joe has been great with the two of them,” hitting coach Kevin Long said. “Both of those guys know their value to what we’re doing. They’re pushing each other and it makes us better.”

Remember when the Yankees were close to trading for Mike Cameron? He’s at .252/362/.468 for Milwaukee, an .830 OPS. Brett Cabrera is right there with him, too.

There are some red flags. Cabrera’s OBP has done a dive lately and you wonder if he’ll swoon again as he did last summer. Gardner also needs to prove he can go the distance. But the Yankees have gotten more our center field than anybody, even Girardi, could have expected.

Back later with the lineups. Who’s staying up late?

 
 

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206 Responses to “Brett Cabrera getting the job done”

  1. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Who’s staying up late? Wouldn’t miss it for the world. Then again, I am a night owl!

    (from previous previous thread)

    FWIW, here are Joba’s starts, per catcher.

    *Molina*
    1ER, 6IP – KC, (ND) Yankee L, 4-6
    5ER, 4.2IP – Cle, (ND) Yankee W, 6-5
    1ER, 5.1IP – at Bos, (ND) Yankee L, 4-5

    *Cervelli*
    3ER, 6IP – at Bal (W), 5-3
    0ER, .2IP – Min, Yankee W, 7-4
    3ER, 4IP – Bal, (ND), Yankee L, 3-7
    3ER, 6IP – Wash, (L), 0-3
    2ER, 6IP – at Atl, (W), 8-4

    *Cash*
    2ER, 6IP – Min, (ND), Yankee W, 6-4

    *Posada*
    1ER, 7IP – at Det, (W), 8-6
    2ER, 8IP – at Cle, (W), 5-2
    3ER, 6IP – TB, (ND), Yankee W, 4-3
    2ER, 4IP – NYM, (ND), Yankee W, 9-8*
    3ER, 5.1IP – Sea, (ND), Yankee W, 8-5
    3ER, 3.2IP – Tor, (ND), Yankee W, 10-8

  2. Bill from NJ July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    Im surprised to not see Luke Scott in that list with Hunter, Jones, etc.

  3. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Melky Gardner sounds better

  4. Rafael July 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    5 stolen bases??

  5. DT - OPPC member (it's in our blood) July 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Grrr… Tiger Curtis doesn’t like anyone messing up his name.

  6. E-gawa July 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    10:00 on friday night is late? And you’re calling Berroa old?

  7. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

    There is ROY talk for Gardner, but he won’t beat Romero or Porcello unless he plays every day, and he shouldn’t.

    His numbers are much better otherwise.

  8. Tom B July 10th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

    so we havent lost a game with posada catching joba? lol

  9. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Nick Fair enough on the Berroa jokes. Thanks for doing the dirty work.

    Long time until game time.
    Anyone got a topic??

  10. Mark July 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Daniel Bard will probably win ROY

    He should finish the year with a 1.50-2.00 ERA with about a 12.5 K/9 and a ton of holds and might notch a couple saves.

  11. DB July 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    Count me in Pete, late nights are my specialty. Just check the posts..

  12. dennis-Costanza July 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    Mark.

    It would take Bucholtz and Bard IMO.

    -dennis

  13. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    I’ll be watching the game, count on that, but I probably won’t be posting.

  14. jpb1973 July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    Daniel Bard will probably win ROY

    He should finish the year with a 1.50-2.00 ERA with about a 12.5 K/9 and a ton of holds and might notch a couple saves.

    ——————————————————-

    You should wait until he gets more than one save to make the ROY prediction for Bard.

  15. m July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm

    melky gardner sounds great. as if milk grows in gardens.

    I’ll definitely be up “late”.

  16. DB July 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    So the Yankees won every game Joba started with Posada catching. Hate to say it, but it means absolutely nothing.

  17. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Who’s bringing the Bobby Sherman records?

  18. Bobby T July 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Gardner/Cabrera: .289/.354/.436, .790 OPS.

    Cameron: .252/.362/.468, .830 OPS.

    “Brett Cabrera beats him, too.”

    Other than batting average, how exactly are Garrdner/Cabrera’s stats better than Cameron’s?

  19. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1303

    Baseball America said shut up Chapman is 21. :D

  20. RCK July 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    I like RAB’s “Gardbrera.”

  21. DB July 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm

    hmm melky gardner…sounds like an adult film star.

  22. Tony July 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Centerfield is fine, what the Yankees need is a right-fielder. Teams will run on Swishers noodle arm at will. He is at best a bad left fielder. If the Blue Jays really want to get rid of Alex Rios, thats the deal this team needs.

  23. mdh July 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Melky Gardner… haha, very nice.

    Melky has the 5 stolen bases this season… Gardner has 18. Must have just been a typo.

  24. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Melkner?

  25. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 10th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    DB
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
    hmm melky gardner…sounds like an adult film star.
    ===

    lol. Of undefined gender.

  26. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Uncle-Melkner is my new favorite. :-)

  27. Jerkface July 10th, 2009 at 5:24 pm

    Other than batting average, how exactly are Garrdner/Cabrera’s stats better than Cameron’s?

    If you consider age, flexibility, payroll, I guess?

  28. dan l July 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Melky sucks and needs to be traded so Brett Gardner can play everyday! Sour Melky’s OPS has gone down every month so far this season and if he continues at this rate he will not be welcome in A ball.

  29. Jonathan Everett July 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

    Late? I will be up anyway, I live in San Jose. ha ha

  30. Ace July 10th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    So happy the Anaheim games are falling on a weekend. Makes it much easier to watch.

  31. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:26 pm

    Wait
    glad you like it

  32. Tidrow July 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    Rios would look good in right for this team. What would it take to get him?

  33. Blake July 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    Melky is hindering Gardner’s growth

    There is nothing that he does well aside from get a couple of walkoff hits.

  34. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm

    m
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
    melky gardner sounds great. as if milk grows in gardens.
    I’ll definitely be up “late”.
    ===

    That’s very whimsical.

    But instead of two guys doing one job, that image evokes one guy doing two: because of tough times, melky gardner delivers milk and weeds gardens for extra income.

  35. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    Rios by himself? Hmm. Good question.

    I don’t know how to value Rios, though, so I’d probably come up short.

  36. Pat M. July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Tricia, who is your everyday catcher, minus the one day off ????

  37. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Evan wants
    Bucky, Ellsbury, Lowrie
    for Reyes

  38. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pm

    “So the Yankees won every game Joba started with Posada catching. Hate to say it, but it means absolutely nothing.”

    DB, I agree. I posted the data because I said I was going to, and it was a lot of work to put it all together. I don’t know that there is a lot to be gleaned from the data since Joba had so many NDs, the Yanks were slumping as a team at one point, etc.

  39. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    “Tricia, who is your everyday catcher, minus the one day off ????”

    Can I have two? Or one that has two games per five?

  40. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm

    “July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Evan wants
    Bucky, Ellsbury, Lowrie
    for Reyes”

    AHAHAHAHA.

  41. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Blake
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
    Melky is hindering Gardner’s growth
    There is nothing that he does well aside from get a couple of walkoff hits.
    ===

    Really? What do you think Gardner’s average would be if Melky weren’t picking up his ABs against LHP?

    Really – it’s fine that everyone is so in love with Brett Gardner, but try to stick to the facts.

    This kid is hitting .240 against LHP.

    His numbers would be much lower if Melky weren’t picking up those ABs right-handed (batting .278 vs LHP).

    If the blog master here wants to be balanced, he might mention that. If you’re going to mention Cabrera’s crummy OBP, you’re remiss is completely omitting Gardner’s numbers being skewed by being spared confrontations with LHP (41 ABs only).

  42. DB July 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    I was very down on Swisher a couple of weeks ago. When he is going good it’s hard to take him out of the lineup, though. It’s those moments when he is mentally challenged that makes me change my mind. The only thing this team needs is another quality arm.

  43. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Buddy Ryan on Cris Carter “all he does is catch touchdowns”

  44. Jon Ringland July 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

    Stuck at home dogsitting tonight…Oh ill be up for this one.

  45. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Evan wants
    Bucky, Ellsbury, Lowrie
    for Reyes

    ================

    Wish they’d do that, throw a grenade at “the core”, although then Reyes would be annoying me more often than not.

  46. Mark July 10th, 2009 at 5:35 pm

    That’s not a bad trade for either side

    Boston gets their franchise short stop. An extra base hit machine who will lead the league in SBs year after year. He is a good defensive player, has power, and is a spark plug.

    Mets get a front-line SP prospect, a nice OFer, and Lowrie who is an average SS to replace

  47. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    “July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm

    Evan wants
    Bucky, Ellsbury, Lowrie
    for Reyes”

    AHAHAHAHA.

    glad you liked that Rebecca

  48. Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    DB-

    The Yanks have the best record in baseball since ARod got back. I don’t consider the loss of Wang a crushing blow. I don’t think we “need” anything, although obviously you can always improve.

  49. RhapsodyInBlue July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Who’s staying up late?

    All of us.

  50. Jon Ringland July 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    “I don’t consider the loss of Wang a crushing blow”

    I disagree, on many levels :)

  51. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    bodhi-Sample size, please. How many AB’s doesn Gardy have vs. lefties?

  52. m July 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Boston just paid $8m for the Cuban SS.

    I could see the Sox trading away Buchholz for Halladay, though.

  53. James July 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    they have more than 8 homers. they have 11 combined.

  54. Tidrow July 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Would Swisher, Miranda and McAllister get Rios?

  55. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Wave Your Hat-I unfortunately agree about Wang. If we got Wang right things would be fantastic but w/o him I think we’ll be fine.

  56. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    bodhi-Never mind, just saw. 41 AB’s only. How many AB’s overall?

  57. Wave Your Hat July 10th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    Jon Ringland-

    I meant given the way Wang has performed overall. If you look at it from what was expected at the beginning of the year, then I agree with you.

  58. Tarheelyank July 10th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    “they have more than 8 homers. they have 11 combined”

    These statistics take into account only when either player has been the center fielder. PA

  59. Boogie Down Bob July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm

    Let’s hope for a Boston loss vs. KC tonight so we can move a full game ahead in the East!

  60. Greg D July 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    did the Yanks send down Aceves to make room for Melancon?

  61. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    “That’s not a bad trade for either side”

    ==========

    Mark

    I agree.

    It does go to show that Ellsbury’s stock has fallen since his rookie year though.

    In the past, it would have been Bucky OR Ellsbury, not both.

  62. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Why would you want to get rid of Swisher?

    http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....n-you.html

  63. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Dodgers v Yanks series.
    AL loses All star game.

  64. Pat M. July 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    Ticia, you can have anything you want, as long as you serve the refreshments tonight at Angel Stadium….I’m sitting 5 rows back from the plate in the VIP section…..My eyes will be on Joba and his head shakes tonight…..

  65. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    “I could see the Sox trading away Buchholz for Halladay, though.”

    ——–

    I could as well.

    I don’t think they throw in Bard, though, and frankly I don’t think Toronto would want a reliever as much as a position player.

    But if they wanted a reliever, it’s Delcarmen (plus other lower grade prospects)

    I don’t think the Sox give up Buchholz and Bard.

  66. Laura July 10th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    God knows that I love my Yankees, but these West Coast games are brutal. I’m going to try and stay up, but it’s doubtful that I make it.

    Go Yankees!!

  67. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    Way OT, but I’m watching the evening news and something just came on about Paris Hilton and it made me think of this question. What is it about her that is so off-putting to men that she can’t keep one? Her latest squeeze (can’t remember his name but he is a baseball player) left her recently. With her billions I would think that some guy could put up with her. The thing that I always find intriguing is that the guys end up leaving her. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t find her very enchanting or interesting, but I am thinking that some conniving men have stayed with women who have a heck of a lot less than she does, money and looks included.

  68. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

    “Dodgers v Yanks series.
    AL loses All star game.”

    ——

    with Tim Wakefield on the mound?

    no way. AL wins.

  69. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    I already decided I’m not even going to start watching the game. I’ll watch the replay tomorrow AM probably. I just can’t stay up that late, so why bother starting. It would be more difficult to shut it off somewhere in the middle.

    I like Melkner, too!

  70. you gotta have faith (aceves, you da man!) July 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    i will be staying up, but nothing annoys me more than when i stay up just to watch them play like they are half asleep. i think that was more of last years team though.

    the absolute worst was when they were at Seattle last year and Morrow almost threw a no hitter against them.

  71. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    The Tim Wakefield worship has to stop.

    He’s slightly above average as a pitcher. The love for that guy is getting ridiculous.

  72. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    “I’m sitting 5 rows back from the plate in the VIP section…..My eyes will be on Joba and his head shakes tonight…..”

    ———–

    I sat in Premium seats for Joba’s last start at the Stadium.

    I hope your Joba experience is better :)

    Though, it was a great game to be at in the end (10-8 Yanks!)

  73. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    NL is WAY overdue for a win, and can any AL pitcher pitch to Pujols?

  74. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    “The Tim Wakefield worship has to stop.”

    ———

    I hope you know I was being facetious

  75. jpb1973 July 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

    I don’t think they throw in Bard, though, and frankly I don’t think Toronto would want a reliever as much as a position player.

    —————————————————

    I don’t think that the Beantowners will trade Bard because I believe that in 2 years they let Papelbon go into free agency and Bard will replace him as their closer.

  76. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    Last year’s ASG was pretty cool.

    I say AL though. Players of comparable stats in our league are better than the players in their league.

  77. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm

    “Ticia, you can have anything you want, as long as you serve the refreshments tonight at Angel Stadium….I’m sitting 5 rows back from the plate in the VIP section…..My eyes will be on Joba and his head shakes tonight…..”

    :lol:

    Tell us what you’ll have on, or wave or do something so that we know it’s you! I would think that we should get a good view of where you will be sitting. What is the weather there tonight? (We have an absolutely glorious, dry, and breezy day here.)

    The Angels are so horrendously snake bitten this year. I agree with bod that I feel sad for Vladdy and his injuries. I never want any player to go down hurt but I have to say that I don’t mind Torii sitting out a few games against us!

  78. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Will Maurer be out of the game before Wake pitches???

    When do you pitch Wakefield? save him?

  79. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Mauer

    You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.

  80. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Boston Dave 2.0-Not referring to you. But they had a vote, who should start the ASG on sportsnation. Not only was Wakefield on the poll to begin with, not only did he get 10 % of the vote (too much) the sportsnation people were talking about how he should have gotten more votes!

    Makes you sick.

  81. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 10th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
    bodhi-Never mind, just saw. 41 AB’s only. How many AB’s overall?
    ===

    182 ABs overall for Gardner.

    The low ABs against lefties is a small sample size, but it’s a strategic one. He’s being “protected” from having to face LHP. It will be interesting to see if they try to give him more ABs vs. LHP as the season goes along.

    Interestingly, Melky has a .350 OBP vs. LHP – much higher than vs. RHP (.328).

    Right now, he’s actually hitting nearly identically against both LHP and RHP – which is a huge improvement over his career numbers.

    Melky 2009 vs. RHP: .277/vs. LHP: .278

    Melky career vs. RHP: .275/vs. LHP: .255

  82. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    “I don’t think that the Beantowners will trade Bard because I believe that in 2 years they let Papelbon go into free agency and Bard will replace him as their closer.”

    ————-

    I think that is in their thought process as well. Of course, I don’t think anything is remotely set in stone.

    I don’t think they’d trade Bard along with Buchholz simply because they’d view that as too costly and they’d much rather spin a guy like Delcarmen (who may have as much value right now as he’d had in a long time, if ever. they prob know he’s not quite this good)

  83. Tank July 10th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Tonight is going to be a rough game with “4 innings of fun” Joba on the mound

    Expect this be to be a 4 hour game. Saunders can be hit and Joba is 3-2 on every hitter.

  84. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    “Boston Dave 2.0-Not referring to you. ”

    ——

    ok :)

    I agree with you 100%. I think Wakefield is a good guy and can understand why fellow players and Sox fans are happy for him.

    But he has no business being on the team. It’s a “feel good” story for the vet, but it’s not fair to more deserving players.

  85. ITC 99 July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Wakefield will probably do good in the ASG

    How many of those NL hitters have even seen a knuckleball? He could fool them for a couple of innings.

  86. tampayank July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Joba will have a good start on the road, he just can’t pitch at home…yet

  87. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    bodhi-Strategic, yes,. But w/such a small sample size I hope that one day he gets a shot against lefties more.

  88. Josh July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    1. Melky/Gardner have been more than we could have hoped for, but CF is not exactly flooded with great talent these days.

    2. I think a trade for Rios would be pretty wise for the Yanks to explore. 5-tool upside, plays plus defense, has a plus arm, speed on the bases, and makes $1M less per year than we’re paying Matsui/Damon right now. Plus he’s locked up through his prime. On a team where he wouldn’t be relied on to be a middle of the order run producer, he will excel. His athleticism and upside is just what the Yankees need.

  89. Pat M. July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Tricia, as always it’s 70 degrees, no clouds, 15 mph ocean breeze….I’m in Newport Beach, 15 miles inland ( Anaheim ) it’s much warmer 80 degrees most likey……As for tonight, I always start with my Ivy Pinstripes…..I maybe in camara view, as I’ve sat there many times…..I’ll catch the Yanks in Oakland in September, and maybe 1 game in Seattle if the airfares stay this low……I plan on seeing the New Stadium in October…..Haven’t been to a World Series game since 2000, game 1 & 2…..

  90. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Boston Dave 2.0-What really makes me mad is that it’s such an insult to Moose.

    Don’t tell me there’s no anti-Yankee bias working there.

  91. scott l July 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    Gardner against lefties for his minor league career .293 ba, .361 obp, .407 slg, for an ops of .768 in over 440 pa.

  92. jpb1973 July 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

    “I don’t think that the Beantowners will trade Bard because I believe that in 2 years they let Papelbon go into free agency and Bard will replace him as their closer.”

    ————-

    I think that is in their thought process as well. Of course, I don’t think anything is remotely set in stone.

    I don’t think they’d trade Bard along with Buchholz simply because they’d view that as too costly and they’d much rather spin a guy like Delcarmen (who may have as much value right now as he’d had in a long time, if ever. they prob know he’s not quite this good)

    —————————————————-

    Good point, if they traded Bard AND Buchholz to Toronto they would face the possiblity of B & B beating them in intradivisional games for a decade. Delcarmen on the other hand is unlikely to boomerang on them.

  93. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    “Boston Dave 2.0-What really makes me mad is that it’s such an insult to Moose.”

    ——–

    I didn’t even think of that.

    Moose also had 11 wins and a much better ERA.

    In this case, though wrong, Wakefield had never made the team.

    I’m pretty sure Moose had been on a few AS teams in his career.

    Like I said, it’s not right, but it goes to show you how unimportant the ASG really is.

  94. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Tank-

    My mom and I were talking about the fact the game could possible last to 2 or 3 am with Joba starting!

    Hopefully, he picks up the pace tonight. :)

  95. Mikey July 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    I have no problem with Wakefield getting on the roster as a sentimental move.

    However, why didn’t Francona do the same for Mussina, especially after Girardi recommended it to him?

    Mussina had 11 wins and a 3.61 ERA before the ASB. He is a borderline HOF, a more accomplished pitcher in his career, and his story was even better— he wasn’t even a lock to make the team this year because he looked cooked last yr. And he comes up with a huge season.

    The hypocrisy of it is what turns people off.

  96. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
    bodhi-Strategic, yes,. But w/such a small sample size I hope that one day he gets a shot against lefties more.
    ====

    I don’t want to see that happen at the expense of ABs for Melky, however.

    What’s being missed here is that Cabrera, 24, has become a real switch hitter.

    He’s hitting nearly .280 from both sides of the plate. What does that tell you?

    It tells you that he is much more suited to being an everyday player than Brett Gardner.

    Yet the scuttlebut here is Gardner needs to play every day, and Melky isn’t really an every day player.

    But it’s Melky who has the numbers to justify playing everyday.

  97. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    The late night games are tough, especially on weekdays. If you are up at 1:30am, watching a losing effort, it’s not fun. This weekend it’s just one late-night game though.

    My GF hates Joba because she thinks he slow, cocky, and doesn’t pitch well generally, but whenever she’s over and we are watching a game, he’s always pitching…

    Oh well.

  98. Francis July 10th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

    If Joba has another game like he did against the Jays, I’m pulling him from the rotation and calling up Igawa. Enough is enough.

  99. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Mikey-Exactly. Clearly there is an anti Yankee bias working there.

    Bodhi-The problem w/the “Melky is an every day player” schtick (and I don’t dislike Melky)is that since the start of the season his numbers have steadily declined.

  100. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    Church for Francour Mets Braves done deal
    BLOCKBUSTER!

  101. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    “Good point, if they traded Bard AND Buchholz to Toronto they would face the possiblity of B & B beating them in intradivisional games for a decade.”

    ———–

    I personally believe the Sox know they need a new pitcher.

    Daisuke is out and a question mark.

    Penny is ok but they know he’s not going to be dependable. He may pitch well one game and get shelled the next.

    Smoltz could come back ok but so far he’s not given them reason to believe he’ll be anything more than a #4 or #5 guy.

    So where does that leave them?

    Call up Buchholz or trade for Halladay.

    I think it’s option A but who knows.

    The media reports that the Sox aren’t that interested in Halladay, IMO, are premature.

    The Sox have the $$, no doubt. They know they can use an upgrade in the rotation. The pieces fit.

  102. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Francis-I’d rather pitch a shaved monkey than Igawa.

    Nothing personal.

  103. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    “I plan on seeing the New Stadium in October…..Haven’t been to a World Series game since 2000, game 1 & 2…..”

    You betcha!

    The closest I ever got to an Angel’s game was Disneyland! (They’re somewhat near each other, yes?) We flew out when my neice got her master’s at USC. She didn’t attend her college graduation (Royal Academy in London) and I was too dumb to take advantage of her being in London so never went there. So we made sure to go to her master’s graduation. As part of the trip we went to Disney and also to Venice Beach. I absolutely hated Venice Beach. It was like a freak side show!

  104. REZ July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Gardner hit a HR in Citi-Field

    That doesn’t count for anything?

  105. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Stefmara RT @lenno212: Mets acquire Francouer for Church.#mets SERIOUSLY?!

    Deal was straight up.

    What the heck is Omar smoking?

  106. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    scott l
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
    Gardner against lefties for his minor league career .293 ba, .361 obp, .407 slg, for an ops of .768 in over 440 pa.
    ===

    Well, if he could do that at the ML level, he could play every day.

    Either they have decided that he can’t, or they are going to give him bite-sized exposure to help keep his numbers buoyed and hopefully slowly acclimate him to a level of success against LHP.

    Right now – it is what is keeping him in a platoon with Melky. The manager has tried to appear egalitarian, but he clearly prefers Gardner. What has stopped him from declaring Gardner his every day CF?

    He knows he needs Melky’s RHB, and doesn’t want to alienate a 24 year old kid whom he needs.

  107. Srgnt Hulka July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    settle down Francis

  108. DB July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    Trisha, the problem with Paris is that if she found a guy who would put up with her he wouldn’t be worthy enough for her. She creates everything she gets and looks for the public to feel sorry for her. Pass.

    Rebecca, I’ve seen you post here and on RAB all the time and never put it together that This Purist Bleeds Pinstripes is your blog. Great blog by the way. I read your stuff all the time.

    Wave, I’ll downgrade my need to a want of another quality arm. I think if they had a quality bullpen guy it would free them up to drop Tomko and make Ace as a starter more pallatable.

  109. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    declinING.

  110. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    “Church for Francour Mets Braves done deal
    BLOCKBUSTER!”

    WOW!

  111. 7 UP July 10th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Ryan Church for Jeff Francour – done trade.

  112. Mark-Cant Touch This July 10th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    Mets got Jeff Francour no way they don’t win the world series now

  113. Floyd July 10th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Manual never gave Church a fair shot

  114. jpb1973 July 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Daisuke is out and a question mark.

    ——————————————

    Dave,
    Is the situation that serious with Dice-K? I thought his situation was no worse than Wang’s…a few weeks rest and he should be able to resume his career.

  115. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Let the games begin!

  116. DMan July 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

    Francour is a born and raised Atlantian…. he won’t be happy coming up North.

    Especially to a team that is below them in the standings LOL

  117. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    What a crappy trade for both sides.

  118. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    “Ryan Church for Jeff Francour – done trade.”

    WHAT!??

    Omar should be fired. But Manuel didn’t like Church anyway, right?

  119. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Deal on MLB tv right now!

  120. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Church for Franceour Trade just announced on MLB network. Straight up.

  121. trisha - OPPC lifetime member July 10th, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Harold Reynolds does NOT like that trade. Discussion on MLB tv right now.

  122. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 10th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
    Mikey-Exactly. Clearly there is an anti Yankee bias working there.
    Bodhi-The problem w/the “Melky is an every day player” schtick (and I don’t dislike Melky)is that since the start of the season his numbers have steadily declined.
    ===

    He got hurt in June, affecting his LH swing.

    He needs to get his OBP up – that is his challenge.

    Otherwise, he’s a hitter – he’s always been able to hit. Always been able to drive the ball. He has to play, however, to keep his bat warm. He’s not a veteran hitter, who can just come off the bench and produce. He’s 24 years old, and he needs to get ABs to be effective.

    Its also much harder as a switchy to keep the bat warm from both sides of the plate. His .277/.278 is admirable, under the circumstances.

  123. DB July 10th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

    Egalitarian
    believing in equality: maintaining, relating to, or based on a belief that all people are, in principle, equal and should enjoy equal social, political, and economic rights and opportunities

    For those of us without the english lit. background…probably less than what I think.

    I’ll buy that assessment though. Girardi has played those two perfectly.

  124. NITRO July 10th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Eric Hinske is better than 3/4ths of the Mets roster.

  125. Zach July 10th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Is Francour the guy who never walks and said OBP doesn’t matter?

  126. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    What the heck is Omar smoking?

    Church is performing much better than Francouer…

  127. DB July 10th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Sounds like a trade just to make a trade to me. I would think Atlanta got the better end of the deal.

  128. jpb1973 July 10th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Church for Franceour Trade just announced on MLB network. Straight up.

    ————————————————–

    It sounds to me like the Mets made this trade simply to show their fans that they are doing something. I don’t see any improvement…except that Francoeur is a better fielder.

  129. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Zach
    July 10th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    Is Francour the guy who never walks and said OBP doesn’t matter?

    ===================

    Yes, that’s him!

  130. Patrick July 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    Hell yeah I’m staying up late to watch the game, among other things. It’s my birthday and I can’t miss the Yanks on my bday :) That and I’ll probably be out late anyways so I’ll catch some updates on my phone.

  131. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    bodhi-I don’t think it was the injury so much as in his career he was never as good as he was at that point and slumped.

  132. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    If ever there was a bad trade for both sides, this was it.

  133. Vince July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    jpb1973
    July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
    Daniel Bard will probably win ROY

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    He has the vote of Peter Gammons already regardless of what he does for the rest of the season.

  134. Y26 July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    As usual, Chris Carlin performing the spin job

    “Great trade for the Mets”

  135. BD July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    Wakefield doesn’t deserve to be an all-star. He’s just not that good. If it weren’t for his gimmick pitch, he wouldn’t get half the attention he gets. But TV guys love the knuckleball because it gives them something different to talk about.

  136. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    Omar sayin a whole lot a nuthin’

    the truth:
    had to do something so I traded a guy that Jerry hated

  137. Joe Monte July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    I live in San Diego and I will be watching the entire game tonight.

    Franceour? Wow, another tough day to be a Mets fan for you few people!

  138. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Guys, don’t blame Gammons-clearly the Red Sox are threatening his family.

    I’d fake worship the Sox if my family were threatened, too.

  139. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

    Wow -

    So far it looks like I’m the only party pooper. Y’all are really staying up????

  140. Tarheelyank July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    “Teams don’t trade in thier division.”

    That argument is out the window.

  141. Ham Fighters July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    hey all! staying up late?, well, since i have to work at 4 a.m., ill be getting up early to watch it, (on tivo before i get ready for work.

    wanted to dive in here and say once again what a great job i think joe g is doing as manager. this team is playing loose and expecting to win, which is just where they should be. girardi deserves alot of the credit for that. He also deserves alot of the credit for the production the yankees are getting out of johnny damon (who seems to really be on his last legs as on OF). Girardi’s weakest point has been handling the bullpen, but nobody was going to look good at that the way the bp was pitching earlier. Ill give him credit for being willing to experiment with the bp alot more than joe t ever did, which is a risky thing to do given the shaky hold he seemed to have when the yanks were slumping.
    i was a huge fan of joe torre going back to his mvp season of 74 and was really mad to see him go. but i was also mad when the yanks let buck showalter go until they brought in torre. i think joe g. is going to be here alot longer than anybody expected, primarly because i see the yankees going DEEP (as in all the way) into the postseason this year.

    yanks have played everyone else 8 game better than the red socks have, just keep that up and take care of the socks the second half and there will be a joyous october.

    and kudos to joe g!

  142. Betsy July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    Back to the other thread, I thought Chad Curtis was an idiot for getting upset at Derek – like who the heck is he Now that the incident was brought up again, I don’t think I’m as excited to see him as I was before, lol

  143. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

    “Dave,
    Is the situation that serious with Dice-K? I thought his situation was no worse than Wang’s…a few weeks rest and he should be able to resume his career.”

    ———–

    well, he reportedly only has “shoulder weakness” but the whole situation seems odd.

    He wasn’t coming off an injury like Wang was. Everybody assumes it was the WBC, but IMO that isn’t a sure thing.

    So yes, he could be back up in a month or so and be fine.

    But for a team like the Sox who are seeing the Yanks catch up and possibly pass them in the standings, they can’t wait and find out.

    With a pitcher like Halladay up for grabs, they have the $$ and pieces to make a huge splash.

    I just don’t think they’re that comfortable with both Smoltz and Penny in their rotation.

    They’ll make a move… one way or another.

  144. Don 342 July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Church was never going to thrive with the Mets… the manager hated him, and if you believe Francessa…. he hated NY.

  145. Pat M. July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Good trade for The Braves…..

  146. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Doreen: I’m a 23 year old that lives in NYC.

    My average bedtime is about 3 AM…

  147. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    Somebody on here wanted to trade Swish for Francoeur, said he just needed to get away from Atlanta and he’d be decent.

    Francoeur sucks. And now the Mets suck even more.

  148. Bad Scooter July 10th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

    bodhi – Melky has dropped off the face of the earth since the end of May. Reverting to 2008 form. Hitting .219 since then. If that’s an everyday player you can have him. This isn’t his first season in the league or his second or third. This is his fourth full season and while he looked to rebound in April and May he’s back to Melky circa 2008 now. And a 2008 Melky is not an everyday player. How many times do we have to watch him throw to the wrong base because he thinks he can throw everybody out? I’ve also seen him let a few balls drop at his shoetops for basehits. Dive for the freakin’ ball! He better step up or Gardner will see the majority of time the rest of the year.

  149. 77513 July 10th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Brett Gardner has done a great job he should definately be playing more.

  150. Mikey July 10th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Francour is from Atlanta and is a Braves fan

    Don’t think he’ll like NY. Church didn’t either, so I guess it doesn’t matter.

  151. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Melky could hit .100 for all I care; if he keeps getting those walk off hits I’m all for him.

  152. dennis-Costanza July 10th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Interesting trade. I didn’t think teams traded within their division?? Huh. :)

    -dennis

  153. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Gardner had 2 walk off hits last year.

  154. Al July 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Francour was going to be non-tendered anyway at the end of the year.

    So they got a nice piece back for him.

  155. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Rebecca -

    “Those were the days, my friend, I thought they’d never end. We’d sing and dance, forever and a day. We’d live the life we choose, we’d fight and never lose, for we were young and sure to have our way.”

    Enjoy it!

    :)

  156. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
    July 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
    bodhi-I don’t think it was the injury so much as in his career he was never as good as he was at that point and slumped.
    ===

    Disagree, because I watched his ABs LH, and he could not power the baseball at all. He bruised his left shoulder – which is his “drive” shoulder, if you will.

    June tends to be a “dip” month for players, based on what I’ve seen. Melky, I believe, historically hits over .300 in July, so we’ll see if that plays out for him this month.

    His ABs have been much better since coming ’round. He’s had some poor luck (Millar snaring a would-be double, the plus-400 shot he hit in Citifield).

    I really don’t have doubts about his hitting ability. His OBP is something he needs to work on. He gets into a fair amount of full counts, fighting back from a pitcher’s count, but Ks a lot on those counts, although I’d have to check the numbers.

  157. O*Line July 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Carlin talking about the trade on SNY

    Keeps bringing up the fact that he is “durable”. I guess that’s the only good thing they can say about Francour LOL

  158. DB July 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pm

    Tarheelyank
    July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
    “Teams don’t trade in thier division.”

    That argument is out the window.

    Except for some writers, I don’t think there is one exec who believes that. You make the best trade in front of you. Period.

  159. Tarheelyank July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Do teams have a daily meeting to discuss thier approach to the opposing starter?

    If so, I would love to sit in on Scioscia’s meeting tonight. Pat M can you sneak in a give us a report.

  160. Betsy July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Doreen, I won’t be able to make it through the whole game. I’m going to try and go to sleep early (relatively speaking) tonight because I’ve been staying up WAY too late lately – I don’t want to crash due to lack of sleep and I’m literally afraid that eventually I will fall asleep at my desk. Besides, the Yanks have a better chance of winning if I go to bed before the game is over, lol……

  161. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

    Another thing about Boston and Halladay, I’ve heard some say that they would rather get a hitter.

    The Sox have more than enough $$ to get BOTH Halladay and a quality hitter if they feel the need and benefit warrants the financial cost.

    It comes down to a question of prospects. It seems like the Sox are very methodical in their acquisitions.

    I certainly don’t think getting Halladay would prevent them from future deals for a position player.

  162. Betsy July 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    I thought Francour is supposed to be a terrific defensive OFer – that’s probably why the trade was made. The Mets are brutal defensively

  163. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    bodhi-IDK, I just don’t think Melky will end up as an everyday player. Since his early season hot streak he’s done pretty bad.

  164. Dave21 July 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

    Gardner does have a .244 average and .344 OBP against lefties, which isin’t terrible.

    Most of us would have signed for those numbers from him overall this year, not just against lefties.

  165. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    “Teams don’t trade in thier division.”

    it is a cliche a bromide. Saying it a thousand time doesn’t make it true

  166. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    “Interesting trade. I didn’t think teams traded within their division?? Huh.”

    ================

    Let’s not use a “you take my crap, I’ll take your crap” trade as a debunker of that theory.

    I agree, you trade in your division if the price is right, it happens. But this won’t convince the people who don’t believe that because neither team really cares about the guy they just traded…

  167. Dave21 July 10th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Ironically, Church was their best defensive outfielder, so they don’t get better in that department.

  168. Pat M. July 10th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    Rebecca, Joba is going to give you something to write about tonight…..I remember the old NY days, bars stay open till 4…Love that when I go back for visits, as I’m on LA time so it’s great

  169. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    “Ironically, Church was their best defensive outfielder, so they don’t get better in that department.”

    ———

    better than Beltran?

    (when healthy)

  170. Mark July 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Exactly, BD

    Which is why it is foolish for people to say we shouldn’t be involved in the Halladay trade talks. Boston will be. They can afford him AND a hitter, as you say. And their rotation isin’t setting the world on fire.

  171. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Why does Torii Hunter have to be such a nice guy???

  172. D-Train July 10th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

    Bottom line -

    JP Riccardi’s best chance to get the best package will be if he creates a Yankees/Sox bidding war. He knows it, both teams know it.

    His job is to get the best package, not worry about where he is dealt. And his best opportunity to get that premier package is if he gets NY and BOS bidding against eachother.

  173. jennifer July 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

    : Jeter DH, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, Rodriguez 3B, Swisher RF, Cano 2B, Cabrera CF, Ransom SS, Molina C, Chamberlain P

  174. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Big trade AND Angel Pagan off the DL!

    Mets are back!

  175. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    “Exactly, BD

    Which is why it is foolish for people to say we shouldn’t be involved in the Halladay trade talks. Boston will be. ”

    ——-

    I would love Halladay to join the Yanks, but as I originally thought, I think both the Sox and the Yanks would be simply happy to see him go to the NL.

    As Pete has said, addition by subtraction.

    Still, the idea that the Yankees wouldn’t even be involved in the discussion seemed ridiculous to me.

    Why would a team ever say they weren’t even going to discuss something? That has no bearing on whether or not a deal would be made. But I’m skeptical anytime a team (or the media) says they’re not even interested in the possibility of a deal (for a premium player)

  176. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Uh oh.

    YankeesPR 7/10 lineup: Jeter DH, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, Rodriguez 3B, Swisher RF, Cano 2B, Cabrera CF, Ransom SS, Molina C, Chamberlain P

    Ransom playing short?

    Ramiro, Ramiro, wherefore art thou ramiro?

  177. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    “Jeter DH, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, Rodriguez 3B, Swisher RF, Cano 2B, Cabrera CF, Ransom SS, Molina C, Chamberlain P”

    ———

    yes, it’s a lefty and Matsui will prob play the final 2 games…

    but is that 2 straight games off for arguably their hottest hitter?

  178. AlbanyYankee July 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

    Church is a very good defensive outfielder. But Jerry Manuel obviously didn’t like him, so this is a fresh start for both guys. Francouer cannot hit a curveball. But he has a big arm in the outfield. The Mets treated Church pretty terribly, but you never know what was going on behind the scenes.

  179. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    one way to kill a hot streak?

    sit the guy 2 games in a row.

    get Matsui in there!! :)

  180. 77513 July 10th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

    Dave21
    July 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
    Gardner does have a .244 average and .344 OBP against lefties, which isin’t terrible.

    Most of us would have signed for those numbers from him overall this year, not just against lefties.

    ——————————————

    I agree Gardner is doing a fine job especially after his brutal start. What were people expectations of him coming out of spring training? I think he has become a very productive role player for this team. He has much more range than Melky does in center.

  181. Richie July 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    I give the credit to Gardner and Melky.

    Right now, I’d start Gardner until he proves he can’t get it done.

  182. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    I know Jeter’s been playing a lot, but I”d like to hear an explanation for Jeter as DH, since the ASB is in 3 days. Although he is the starter for that…

  183. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    I’m a tad worried about the whole Ransom playing short thing…

  184. Trevor July 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Ransom and Molina back to back. I rather have Pena.

  185. Nat July 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Matsui not being able to play the field really hurts us.

    We need the DH spot to rotate the aging stars, and for Posada when he isin’t catching.

    How nice it would be to stick him in RF instead of Swisher

  186. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    “I’m a tad worried about the whole Ransom playing short thing…”

    just a tad?

    Jeter will have a couple days off coming up.

    I’d like to see Matsui in there at DH and let Jeter stay at short.

  187. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

    Uncle Ellsworth
    July 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

    Big trade AND Angel Pagan off the DL!

    Mets are back!

    =========

    Now only if Argenis Reyes could live up to his .218/.259/.245 potential, they’d seal up the NL East within a month!

  188. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

    I really think the key to “MelkNer” is sharing the time. It benefits each one and the Yankees are the winners. I don’t know if either one of them every single day would be as productive as the hybrid.

  189. Boston Dave 2.0 July 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

    “We need the DH spot to rotate the aging stars, and for Posada when he isin’t catching.”

    ———-

    I agree, in principle, with that.

    But with the all-star break just a few days away, even the guys playing in the game will have a couple days off.

    the rest of the guys will have 3 days off.

  190. 77513 July 10th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    Francoeur value has really dropped a year or two ago the rumors were that they were trading him to KC for Greinke. Mets fans will be booing Francoeur by Septemeber.

  191. Ham Fighters July 10th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

    just let girardi keep shuffling the deck, hes going fine. seems like hes getting max production out of everybody.

  192. Altro July 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Clearly, Girardi is content with getting the split on the road trip and doesn’t mind losing tonight

    what kind of lineup is that?

    why is Gardner in there against a lefty?
    Ransom?
    Molina?

  193. m July 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    I don’t care what the stats or peripherals say, I love that GGBG!

  194. Sweet_Lou_in_Vermont July 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    I’ll be up tonight cheering from the Green Mountains!

  195. Stultus Magnus July 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

    Infiltrate Mets LoHud to discuss trade??

    http://mets.lohudblogs.com/

  196. Spartan July 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    I’ll be up! The Yankees are playing great. Hope Joba has a good game…

    Anybody talking about trading for Rios (Jays)?

  197. Uncle Ellsworth July 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

    Stultus Magnus
    July 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
    Infiltrate Mets LoHud to discuss trade??

    http://mets.lohudblogs.com/

    I was there

  198. Joe G July 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    As usual, Chris Carlin performing the spin job

    “Great trade for the Mets”

    And that confirms it, Chris Carlin has never watched a baseball game. Seriously, Jeff Francoeur may be the worst player in baseball.

  199. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

    They haven’t updated their blog with the trade yet.

  200. Doreen July 10th, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    That’s gotta be slightly awkward, though. You show up to play, probably do some pre-game workouts and whatnot, see your name in the starting line up and a couple minutes later you’re not on the team.

  201. Ham Fighters July 10th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    magnus had it right, church for frenchy is garbage for garbage. its re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic

  202. vb03 July 10th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

    # Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Doreen: I’m a 23 year old that lives in NYC.

    My average bedtime is about 3 AM…

    ——————

    LOL amen to that. Sleeping is overrated.

  203. 77513 July 10th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Joe G
    July 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
    As usual, Chris Carlin performing the spin job

    “Great trade for the Mets”

    And that confirms it, Chris Carlin has never watched a baseball game. Seriously, Jeff Francoeur may be the worst player in baseball.

    ——————————————

    I love how the mets shills are talking about Francoeur’s arm. Ryan Church also has a great arm and is the better fielder of the two.

  204. vb03 July 10th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

    Altro July 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Clearly, Girardi is content with getting the split on the road trip and doesn’t mind losing tonight

    what kind of lineup is that?

    why is Gardner in there against a lefty?
    Ransom?
    Molina?

    ———

    Is that you, Nicholas Cage?!

    Seeing as you know what will happen a few hours ahead of time.

  205. MattNC July 10th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

    Francoeur’s lifetime stats:
    OPS .732
    OPS+ 89
    OBP .308

    OPS trend:
    2007 .782
    2008 .653
    2009 .634

    No speed (career 14 SB, 12 CS). Enjoy, Met fans!

  206. Ken July 10th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Frankly I think the trade is a wash. the Mets made a trade simply to show they are doing “something”, but this wont impact them either way. The way I see it, its one of those lost years for the Mets. They might as well just re-group for next year at this point. I know Wilpon wont want to hear it but its better than doin something really foolish


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