Brett Cabrera getting the job done
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 10, 2009 
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There was a lot of talk this winter that the Yankees needed to upgrade in center field. But with the season now past its halfway point, Brett Gardner and Melky Cabrera are proving that notion was incorrect.
Brett Cabrera (or Melky Gardner if you prefer) have given the Yankees .289/.354/.436 production in center field this season. They have combined on eight homers, 40 RBI and 15 stolen bases. That’s a .790 OPS.
These statistics take into account only when either player has been the center fielder.
How does that compare?
Torii Hunter (.305/380/.558) has been the best center fielder in the league. He has 17 homers and 65 RBI. But Brett Cabrera has been better than Jacoby Ellsbury (.299/.349/.404), for instance.
If you use OPS to measure, only Hunter, Adam Jones, Franklin Gutierrez, Marlon Byrd and Curtis Granderson have been better than the Yankees’ duo.
The credit goes to Joe Girardi, who has done a good job of deciding who plays on a particular day. Most of it is matching up with the opposing pitcher but there is also a feel to the process.
“I think Joe has been great with the two of them,” hitting coach Kevin Long said. “Both of those guys know their value to what we’re doing. They’re pushing each other and it makes us better.”
Remember when the Yankees were close to trading for Mike Cameron? He’s at .252/362/.468 for Milwaukee, an .830 OPS. Brett Cabrera is right there with him, too.
There are some red flags. Cabrera’s OBP has done a dive lately and you wonder if he’ll swoon again as he did last summer. Gardner also needs to prove he can go the distance. But the Yankees have gotten more our center field than anybody, even Girardi, could have expected.
Back later with the lineups. Who’s staying up late?
Who’s staying up late? Wouldn’t miss it for the world. Then again, I am a night owl!
(from previous previous thread)
FWIW, here are Joba’s starts, per catcher.
*Molina*
1ER, 6IP – KC, (ND) Yankee L, 4-6
5ER, 4.2IP – Cle, (ND) Yankee W, 6-5
1ER, 5.1IP – at Bos, (ND) Yankee L, 4-5
*Cervelli*
3ER, 6IP – at Bal (W), 5-3
0ER, .2IP – Min, Yankee W, 7-4
3ER, 4IP – Bal, (ND), Yankee L, 3-7
3ER, 6IP – Wash, (L), 0-3
2ER, 6IP – at Atl, (W), 8-4
*Cash*
2ER, 6IP – Min, (ND), Yankee W, 6-4
*Posada*
1ER, 7IP – at Det, (W), 8-6
2ER, 8IP – at Cle, (W), 5-2
3ER, 6IP – TB, (ND), Yankee W, 4-3
2ER, 4IP – NYM, (ND), Yankee W, 9-8*
3ER, 5.1IP – Sea, (ND), Yankee W, 8-5
3ER, 3.2IP – Tor, (ND), Yankee W, 10-8
Im surprised to not see Luke Scott in that list with Hunter, Jones, etc.
Melky Gardner sounds better
5 stolen bases??
Grrr… Tiger Curtis doesn’t like anyone messing up his name.
10:00 on friday night is late? And you’re calling Berroa old?
There is ROY talk for Gardner, but he won’t beat Romero or Porcello unless he plays every day, and he shouldn’t.
His numbers are much better otherwise.
so we havent lost a game with posada catching joba? lol
Nick Fair enough on the Berroa jokes. Thanks for doing the dirty work.
Long time until game time.
Anyone got a topic??
Daniel Bard will probably win ROY
He should finish the year with a 1.50-2.00 ERA with about a 12.5 K/9 and a ton of holds and might notch a couple saves.
Count me in Pete, late nights are my specialty. Just check the posts..
Mark.
It would take Bucholtz and Bard IMO.
-dennis
I’ll be watching the game, count on that, but I probably won’t be posting.
Daniel Bard will probably win ROY
He should finish the year with a 1.50-2.00 ERA with about a 12.5 K/9 and a ton of holds and might notch a couple saves.
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You should wait until he gets more than one save to make the ROY prediction for Bard.
melky gardner sounds great. as if milk grows in gardens.
I’ll definitely be up “late”.
So the Yankees won every game Joba started with Posada catching. Hate to say it, but it means absolutely nothing.
Who’s bringing the Bobby Sherman records?
Gardner/Cabrera: .289/.354/.436, .790 OPS.
Cameron: .252/.362/.468, .830 OPS.
“Brett Cabrera beats him, too.”
Other than batting average, how exactly are Garrdner/Cabrera’s stats better than Cameron’s?
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=1303
Baseball America said shut up Chapman is 21.
I like RAB’s “Gardbrera.”
hmm melky gardner…sounds like an adult film star.
Centerfield is fine, what the Yankees need is a right-fielder. Teams will run on Swishers noodle arm at will. He is at best a bad left fielder. If the Blue Jays really want to get rid of Alex Rios, thats the deal this team needs.
Melky Gardner… haha, very nice.
Melky has the 5 stolen bases this season… Gardner has 18. Must have just been a typo.
Melkner?
DB
July 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
hmm melky gardner…sounds like an adult film star.
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lol. Of undefined gender.
Uncle-Melkner is my new favorite.
Other than batting average, how exactly are Garrdner/Cabrera’s stats better than Cameron’s?
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If you consider age, flexibility, payroll, I guess?
Melky sucks and needs to be traded so Brett Gardner can play everyday! Sour Melky’s OPS has gone down every month so far this season and if he continues at this rate he will not be welcome in A ball.
Late? I will be up anyway, I live in San Jose. ha ha
So happy the Anaheim games are falling on a weekend. Makes it much easier to watch.
Wait
glad you like it
Rios would look good in right for this team. What would it take to get him?
Melky is hindering Gardner’s growth
There is nothing that he does well aside from get a couple of walkoff hits.
m
July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
melky gardner sounds great. as if milk grows in gardens.
I’ll definitely be up “late”.
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That’s very whimsical.
But instead of two guys doing one job, that image evokes one guy doing two: because of tough times, melky gardner delivers milk and weeds gardens for extra income.
Rios by himself? Hmm. Good question.
I don’t know how to value Rios, though, so I’d probably come up short.
Tricia, who is your everyday catcher, minus the one day off ????
Evan wants
Bucky, Ellsbury, Lowrie
for Reyes
“So the Yankees won every game Joba started with Posada catching. Hate to say it, but it means absolutely nothing.”
DB, I agree. I posted the data because I said I was going to, and it was a lot of work to put it all together. I don’t know that there is a lot to be gleaned from the data since Joba had so many NDs, the Yanks were slumping as a team at one point, etc.
“Tricia, who is your everyday catcher, minus the one day off ????”
Can I have two? Or one that has two games per five?
“July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Evan wants
Bucky, Ellsbury, Lowrie
for Reyes”
AHAHAHAHA.
Blake
July 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Melky is hindering Gardner’s growth
There is nothing that he does well aside from get a couple of walkoff hits.
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Really? What do you think Gardner’s average would be if Melky weren’t picking up his ABs against LHP?
Really – it’s fine that everyone is so in love with Brett Gardner, but try to stick to the facts.
This kid is hitting .240 against LHP.
His numbers would be much lower if Melky weren’t picking up those ABs right-handed (batting .278 vs LHP).
If the blog master here wants to be balanced, he might mention that. If you’re going to mention Cabrera’s crummy OBP, you’re remiss is completely omitting Gardner’s numbers being skewed by being spared confrontations with LHP (41 ABs only).
I was very down on Swisher a couple of weeks ago. When he is going good it’s hard to take him out of the lineup, though. It’s those moments when he is mentally challenged that makes me change my mind. The only thing this team needs is another quality arm.
Buddy Ryan on Cris Carter “all he does is catch touchdowns”
Stuck at home dogsitting tonight…Oh ill be up for this one.
Uncle Ellsworth
July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Evan wants
Bucky, Ellsbury, Lowrie
for Reyes
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Wish they’d do that, throw a grenade at “the core”, although then Reyes would be annoying me more often than not.
That’s not a bad trade for either side
Boston gets their franchise short stop. An extra base hit machine who will lead the league in SBs year after year. He is a good defensive player, has power, and is a spark plug.
Mets get a front-line SP prospect, a nice OFer, and Lowrie who is an average SS to replace
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
“July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Evan wants
Bucky, Ellsbury, Lowrie
for Reyes”
AHAHAHAHA.
glad you liked that Rebecca
DB-
The Yanks have the best record in baseball since ARod got back. I don’t consider the loss of Wang a crushing blow. I don’t think we “need” anything, although obviously you can always improve.
Who’s staying up late?
All of us.
“I don’t consider the loss of Wang a crushing blow”
I disagree, on many levels
bodhi-Sample size, please. How many AB’s doesn Gardy have vs. lefties?
Boston just paid $8m for the Cuban SS.
I could see the Sox trading away Buchholz for Halladay, though.
they have more than 8 homers. they have 11 combined.
Would Swisher, Miranda and McAllister get Rios?
Wave Your Hat-I unfortunately agree about Wang. If we got Wang right things would be fantastic but w/o him I think we’ll be fine.
bodhi-Never mind, just saw. 41 AB’s only. How many AB’s overall?
Jon Ringland-
I meant given the way Wang has performed overall. If you look at it from what was expected at the beginning of the year, then I agree with you.
“they have more than 8 homers. they have 11 combined”
These statistics take into account only when either player has been the center fielder. PA
Let’s hope for a Boston loss vs. KC tonight so we can move a full game ahead in the East!
did the Yanks send down Aceves to make room for Melancon?
“That’s not a bad trade for either side”
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Mark
I agree.
It does go to show that Ellsbury’s stock has fallen since his rookie year though.
In the past, it would have been Bucky OR Ellsbury, not both.
Why would you want to get rid of Swisher?
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....n-you.html
Dodgers v Yanks series.
AL loses All star game.
Ticia, you can have anything you want, as long as you serve the refreshments tonight at Angel Stadium….I’m sitting 5 rows back from the plate in the VIP section…..My eyes will be on Joba and his head shakes tonight…..
“I could see the Sox trading away Buchholz for Halladay, though.”
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I could as well.
I don’t think they throw in Bard, though, and frankly I don’t think Toronto would want a reliever as much as a position player.
But if they wanted a reliever, it’s Delcarmen (plus other lower grade prospects)
I don’t think the Sox give up Buchholz and Bard.
God knows that I love my Yankees, but these West Coast games are brutal. I’m going to try and stay up, but it’s doubtful that I make it.
Go Yankees!!
Way OT, but I’m watching the evening news and something just came on about Paris Hilton and it made me think of this question. What is it about her that is so off-putting to men that she can’t keep one? Her latest squeeze (can’t remember his name but he is a baseball player) left her recently. With her billions I would think that some guy could put up with her. The thing that I always find intriguing is that the guys end up leaving her. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t find her very enchanting or interesting, but I am thinking that some conniving men have stayed with women who have a heck of a lot less than she does, money and looks included.
“Dodgers v Yanks series.
AL loses All star game.”
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with Tim Wakefield on the mound?
no way. AL wins.
I already decided I’m not even going to start watching the game. I’ll watch the replay tomorrow AM probably. I just can’t stay up that late, so why bother starting. It would be more difficult to shut it off somewhere in the middle.
I like Melkner, too!
i will be staying up, but nothing annoys me more than when i stay up just to watch them play like they are half asleep. i think that was more of last years team though.
the absolute worst was when they were at Seattle last year and Morrow almost threw a no hitter against them.
The Tim Wakefield worship has to stop.
He’s slightly above average as a pitcher. The love for that guy is getting ridiculous.
“I’m sitting 5 rows back from the plate in the VIP section…..My eyes will be on Joba and his head shakes tonight…..”
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I sat in Premium seats for Joba’s last start at the Stadium.
I hope your Joba experience is better
Though, it was a great game to be at in the end (10-8 Yanks!)
NL is WAY overdue for a win, and can any AL pitcher pitch to Pujols?
“The Tim Wakefield worship has to stop.”
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I hope you know I was being facetious
I don’t think they throw in Bard, though, and frankly I don’t think Toronto would want a reliever as much as a position player.
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I don’t think that the Beantowners will trade Bard because I believe that in 2 years they let Papelbon go into free agency and Bard will replace him as their closer.
Last year’s ASG was pretty cool.
I say AL though. Players of comparable stats in our league are better than the players in their league.
“Ticia, you can have anything you want, as long as you serve the refreshments tonight at Angel Stadium….I’m sitting 5 rows back from the plate in the VIP section…..My eyes will be on Joba and his head shakes tonight…..”
Tell us what you’ll have on, or wave or do something so that we know it’s you! I would think that we should get a good view of where you will be sitting. What is the weather there tonight? (We have an absolutely glorious, dry, and breezy day here.)
The Angels are so horrendously snake bitten this year. I agree with bod that I feel sad for Vladdy and his injuries. I never want any player to go down hurt but I have to say that I don’t mind Torii sitting out a few games against us!
Will Maurer be out of the game before Wake pitches???
When do you pitch Wakefield? save him?
Mauer
You are posting comments too quickly. Slow down.
Boston Dave 2.0-Not referring to you. But they had a vote, who should start the ASG on sportsnation. Not only was Wakefield on the poll to begin with, not only did he get 10 % of the vote (too much) the sportsnation people were talking about how he should have gotten more votes!
Makes you sick.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 10th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
bodhi-Never mind, just saw. 41 AB’s only. How many AB’s overall?
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182 ABs overall for Gardner.
The low ABs against lefties is a small sample size, but it’s a strategic one. He’s being “protected” from having to face LHP. It will be interesting to see if they try to give him more ABs vs. LHP as the season goes along.
Interestingly, Melky has a .350 OBP vs. LHP – much higher than vs. RHP (.328).
Right now, he’s actually hitting nearly identically against both LHP and RHP – which is a huge improvement over his career numbers.
Melky 2009 vs. RHP: .277/vs. LHP: .278
Melky career vs. RHP: .275/vs. LHP: .255
“I don’t think that the Beantowners will trade Bard because I believe that in 2 years they let Papelbon go into free agency and Bard will replace him as their closer.”
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I think that is in their thought process as well. Of course, I don’t think anything is remotely set in stone.
I don’t think they’d trade Bard along with Buchholz simply because they’d view that as too costly and they’d much rather spin a guy like Delcarmen (who may have as much value right now as he’d had in a long time, if ever. they prob know he’s not quite this good)
Tonight is going to be a rough game with “4 innings of fun” Joba on the mound
Expect this be to be a 4 hour game. Saunders can be hit and Joba is 3-2 on every hitter.
“Boston Dave 2.0-Not referring to you. ”
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ok
I agree with you 100%. I think Wakefield is a good guy and can understand why fellow players and Sox fans are happy for him.
But he has no business being on the team. It’s a “feel good” story for the vet, but it’s not fair to more deserving players.
Wakefield will probably do good in the ASG
How many of those NL hitters have even seen a knuckleball? He could fool them for a couple of innings.
Joba will have a good start on the road, he just can’t pitch at home…yet
bodhi-Strategic, yes,. But w/such a small sample size I hope that one day he gets a shot against lefties more.
1. Melky/Gardner have been more than we could have hoped for, but CF is not exactly flooded with great talent these days.
2. I think a trade for Rios would be pretty wise for the Yanks to explore. 5-tool upside, plays plus defense, has a plus arm, speed on the bases, and makes $1M less per year than we’re paying Matsui/Damon right now. Plus he’s locked up through his prime. On a team where he wouldn’t be relied on to be a middle of the order run producer, he will excel. His athleticism and upside is just what the Yankees need.
Tricia, as always it’s 70 degrees, no clouds, 15 mph ocean breeze….I’m in Newport Beach, 15 miles inland ( Anaheim ) it’s much warmer 80 degrees most likey……As for tonight, I always start with my Ivy Pinstripes…..I maybe in camara view, as I’ve sat there many times…..I’ll catch the Yanks in Oakland in September, and maybe 1 game in Seattle if the airfares stay this low……I plan on seeing the New Stadium in October…..Haven’t been to a World Series game since 2000, game 1 & 2…..
Boston Dave 2.0-What really makes me mad is that it’s such an insult to Moose.
Don’t tell me there’s no anti-Yankee bias working there.
Gardner against lefties for his minor league career .293 ba, .361 obp, .407 slg, for an ops of .768 in over 440 pa.
“I don’t think that the Beantowners will trade Bard because I believe that in 2 years they let Papelbon go into free agency and Bard will replace him as their closer.”
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I think that is in their thought process as well. Of course, I don’t think anything is remotely set in stone.
I don’t think they’d trade Bard along with Buchholz simply because they’d view that as too costly and they’d much rather spin a guy like Delcarmen (who may have as much value right now as he’d had in a long time, if ever. they prob know he’s not quite this good)
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Good point, if they traded Bard AND Buchholz to Toronto they would face the possiblity of B & B beating them in intradivisional games for a decade. Delcarmen on the other hand is unlikely to boomerang on them.
“Boston Dave 2.0-What really makes me mad is that it’s such an insult to Moose.”
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I didn’t even think of that.
Moose also had 11 wins and a much better ERA.
In this case, though wrong, Wakefield had never made the team.
I’m pretty sure Moose had been on a few AS teams in his career.
Like I said, it’s not right, but it goes to show you how unimportant the ASG really is.
Tank-
My mom and I were talking about the fact the game could possible last to 2 or 3 am with Joba starting!
Hopefully, he picks up the pace tonight.
I have no problem with Wakefield getting on the roster as a sentimental move.
However, why didn’t Francona do the same for Mussina, especially after Girardi recommended it to him?
Mussina had 11 wins and a 3.61 ERA before the ASB. He is a borderline HOF, a more accomplished pitcher in his career, and his story was even better— he wasn’t even a lock to make the team this year because he looked cooked last yr. And he comes up with a huge season.
The hypocrisy of it is what turns people off.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
bodhi-Strategic, yes,. But w/such a small sample size I hope that one day he gets a shot against lefties more.
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I don’t want to see that happen at the expense of ABs for Melky, however.
What’s being missed here is that Cabrera, 24, has become a real switch hitter.
He’s hitting nearly .280 from both sides of the plate. What does that tell you?
It tells you that he is much more suited to being an everyday player than Brett Gardner.
Yet the scuttlebut here is Gardner needs to play every day, and Melky isn’t really an every day player.
But it’s Melky who has the numbers to justify playing everyday.
The late night games are tough, especially on weekdays. If you are up at 1:30am, watching a losing effort, it’s not fun. This weekend it’s just one late-night game though.
My GF hates Joba because she thinks he slow, cocky, and doesn’t pitch well generally, but whenever she’s over and we are watching a game, he’s always pitching…
Oh well.
If Joba has another game like he did against the Jays, I’m pulling him from the rotation and calling up Igawa. Enough is enough.
Mikey-Exactly. Clearly there is an anti Yankee bias working there.
Bodhi-The problem w/the “Melky is an every day player” schtick (and I don’t dislike Melky)is that since the start of the season his numbers have steadily declined.
Church for Francour Mets Braves done deal
BLOCKBUSTER!
“Good point, if they traded Bard AND Buchholz to Toronto they would face the possiblity of B & B beating them in intradivisional games for a decade.”
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I personally believe the Sox know they need a new pitcher.
Daisuke is out and a question mark.
Penny is ok but they know he’s not going to be dependable. He may pitch well one game and get shelled the next.
Smoltz could come back ok but so far he’s not given them reason to believe he’ll be anything more than a #4 or #5 guy.
So where does that leave them?
Call up Buchholz or trade for Halladay.
I think it’s option A but who knows.
The media reports that the Sox aren’t that interested in Halladay, IMO, are premature.
The Sox have the $$, no doubt. They know they can use an upgrade in the rotation. The pieces fit.
Francis-I’d rather pitch a shaved monkey than Igawa.
Nothing personal.
“I plan on seeing the New Stadium in October…..Haven’t been to a World Series game since 2000, game 1 & 2…..”
You betcha!
The closest I ever got to an Angel’s game was Disneyland! (They’re somewhat near each other, yes?) We flew out when my neice got her master’s at USC. She didn’t attend her college graduation (Royal Academy in London) and I was too dumb to take advantage of her being in London so never went there. So we made sure to go to her master’s graduation. As part of the trip we went to Disney and also to Venice Beach. I absolutely hated Venice Beach. It was like a freak side show!
Gardner hit a HR in Citi-Field
That doesn’t count for anything?
Stefmara RT @lenno212: Mets acquire Francouer for Church.#mets SERIOUSLY?!
Deal was straight up.
What the heck is Omar smoking?
scott l
July 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Gardner against lefties for his minor league career .293 ba, .361 obp, .407 slg, for an ops of .768 in over 440 pa.
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Well, if he could do that at the ML level, he could play every day.
Either they have decided that he can’t, or they are going to give him bite-sized exposure to help keep his numbers buoyed and hopefully slowly acclimate him to a level of success against LHP.
Right now – it is what is keeping him in a platoon with Melky. The manager has tried to appear egalitarian, but he clearly prefers Gardner. What has stopped him from declaring Gardner his every day CF?
He knows he needs Melky’s RHB, and doesn’t want to alienate a 24 year old kid whom he needs.
settle down Francis
Trisha, the problem with Paris is that if she found a guy who would put up with her he wouldn’t be worthy enough for her. She creates everything she gets and looks for the public to feel sorry for her. Pass.
Rebecca, I’ve seen you post here and on RAB all the time and never put it together that This Purist Bleeds Pinstripes is your blog. Great blog by the way. I read your stuff all the time.
Wave, I’ll downgrade my need to a want of another quality arm. I think if they had a quality bullpen guy it would free them up to drop Tomko and make Ace as a starter more pallatable.
declinING.
“Church for Francour Mets Braves done deal
BLOCKBUSTER!”
WOW!
Ryan Church for Jeff Francour – done trade.
Mets got Jeff Francour no way they don’t win the world series now
Manual never gave Church a fair shot
Daisuke is out and a question mark.
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Dave,
Is the situation that serious with Dice-K? I thought his situation was no worse than Wang’s…a few weeks rest and he should be able to resume his career.
Let the games begin!
Francour is a born and raised Atlantian…. he won’t be happy coming up North.
Especially to a team that is below them in the standings LOL
What a crappy trade for both sides.
“Ryan Church for Jeff Francour – done trade.”
WHAT!??
Omar should be fired. But Manuel didn’t like Church anyway, right?
Deal on MLB tv right now!
Church for Franceour Trade just announced on MLB network. Straight up.
Harold Reynolds does NOT like that trade. Discussion on MLB tv right now.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Mikey-Exactly. Clearly there is an anti Yankee bias working there.
Bodhi-The problem w/the “Melky is an every day player” schtick (and I don’t dislike Melky)is that since the start of the season his numbers have steadily declined.
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He got hurt in June, affecting his LH swing.
He needs to get his OBP up – that is his challenge.
Otherwise, he’s a hitter – he’s always been able to hit. Always been able to drive the ball. He has to play, however, to keep his bat warm. He’s not a veteran hitter, who can just come off the bench and produce. He’s 24 years old, and he needs to get ABs to be effective.
Its also much harder as a switchy to keep the bat warm from both sides of the plate. His .277/.278 is admirable, under the circumstances.
Egalitarian
believing in equality: maintaining, relating to, or based on a belief that all people are, in principle, equal and should enjoy equal social, political, and economic rights and opportunities
For those of us without the english lit. background…probably less than what I think.
I’ll buy that assessment though. Girardi has played those two perfectly.
Eric Hinske is better than 3/4ths of the Mets roster.
Is Francour the guy who never walks and said OBP doesn’t matter?
What the heck is Omar smoking?
Church is performing much better than Francouer…
Sounds like a trade just to make a trade to me. I would think Atlanta got the better end of the deal.
Church for Franceour Trade just announced on MLB network. Straight up.
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It sounds to me like the Mets made this trade simply to show their fans that they are doing something. I don’t see any improvement…except that Francoeur is a better fielder.
Zach
July 10th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Is Francour the guy who never walks and said OBP doesn’t matter?
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Yes, that’s him!
Hell yeah I’m staying up late to watch the game, among other things. It’s my birthday and I can’t miss the Yanks on my bday
That and I’ll probably be out late anyways so I’ll catch some updates on my phone.
bodhi-I don’t think it was the injury so much as in his career he was never as good as he was at that point and slumped.
If ever there was a bad trade for both sides, this was it.
jpb1973
July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Daniel Bard will probably win ROY
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He has the vote of Peter Gammons already regardless of what he does for the rest of the season.
As usual, Chris Carlin performing the spin job
“Great trade for the Mets”
Wakefield doesn’t deserve to be an all-star. He’s just not that good. If it weren’t for his gimmick pitch, he wouldn’t get half the attention he gets. But TV guys love the knuckleball because it gives them something different to talk about.
Omar sayin a whole lot a nuthin’
the truth:
had to do something so I traded a guy that Jerry hated
I live in San Diego and I will be watching the entire game tonight.
Franceour? Wow, another tough day to be a Mets fan for you few people!
Guys, don’t blame Gammons-clearly the Red Sox are threatening his family.
I’d fake worship the Sox if my family were threatened, too.
Wow -
So far it looks like I’m the only party pooper. Y’all are really staying up????
“Teams don’t trade in thier division.”
That argument is out the window.
hey all! staying up late?, well, since i have to work at 4 a.m., ill be getting up early to watch it, (on tivo before i get ready for work.
wanted to dive in here and say once again what a great job i think joe g is doing as manager. this team is playing loose and expecting to win, which is just where they should be. girardi deserves alot of the credit for that. He also deserves alot of the credit for the production the yankees are getting out of johnny damon (who seems to really be on his last legs as on OF). Girardi’s weakest point has been handling the bullpen, but nobody was going to look good at that the way the bp was pitching earlier. Ill give him credit for being willing to experiment with the bp alot more than joe t ever did, which is a risky thing to do given the shaky hold he seemed to have when the yanks were slumping.
i was a huge fan of joe torre going back to his mvp season of 74 and was really mad to see him go. but i was also mad when the yanks let buck showalter go until they brought in torre. i think joe g. is going to be here alot longer than anybody expected, primarly because i see the yankees going DEEP (as in all the way) into the postseason this year.
yanks have played everyone else 8 game better than the red socks have, just keep that up and take care of the socks the second half and there will be a joyous october.
and kudos to joe g!
Back to the other thread, I thought Chad Curtis was an idiot for getting upset at Derek – like who the heck is he Now that the incident was brought up again, I don’t think I’m as excited to see him as I was before, lol
“Dave,
Is the situation that serious with Dice-K? I thought his situation was no worse than Wang’s…a few weeks rest and he should be able to resume his career.”
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well, he reportedly only has “shoulder weakness” but the whole situation seems odd.
He wasn’t coming off an injury like Wang was. Everybody assumes it was the WBC, but IMO that isn’t a sure thing.
So yes, he could be back up in a month or so and be fine.
But for a team like the Sox who are seeing the Yanks catch up and possibly pass them in the standings, they can’t wait and find out.
With a pitcher like Halladay up for grabs, they have the $$ and pieces to make a huge splash.
I just don’t think they’re that comfortable with both Smoltz and Penny in their rotation.
They’ll make a move… one way or another.
Church was never going to thrive with the Mets… the manager hated him, and if you believe Francessa…. he hated NY.
Good trade for The Braves…..
Doreen: I’m a 23 year old that lives in NYC.
My average bedtime is about 3 AM…
Somebody on here wanted to trade Swish for Francoeur, said he just needed to get away from Atlanta and he’d be decent.
Francoeur sucks. And now the Mets suck even more.
bodhi – Melky has dropped off the face of the earth since the end of May. Reverting to 2008 form. Hitting .219 since then. If that’s an everyday player you can have him. This isn’t his first season in the league or his second or third. This is his fourth full season and while he looked to rebound in April and May he’s back to Melky circa 2008 now. And a 2008 Melky is not an everyday player. How many times do we have to watch him throw to the wrong base because he thinks he can throw everybody out? I’ve also seen him let a few balls drop at his shoetops for basehits. Dive for the freakin’ ball! He better step up or Gardner will see the majority of time the rest of the year.
Brett Gardner has done a great job he should definately be playing more.
Francour is from Atlanta and is a Braves fan
Don’t think he’ll like NY. Church didn’t either, so I guess it doesn’t matter.
Melky could hit .100 for all I care; if he keeps getting those walk off hits I’m all for him.
Interesting trade. I didn’t think teams traded within their division?? Huh.
-dennis
Gardner had 2 walk off hits last year.
Francour was going to be non-tendered anyway at the end of the year.
So they got a nice piece back for him.
Rebecca -
“Those were the days, my friend, I thought they’d never end. We’d sing and dance, forever and a day. We’d live the life we choose, we’d fight and never lose, for we were young and sure to have our way.”
Enjoy it!
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
bodhi-I don’t think it was the injury so much as in his career he was never as good as he was at that point and slumped.
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Disagree, because I watched his ABs LH, and he could not power the baseball at all. He bruised his left shoulder – which is his “drive” shoulder, if you will.
June tends to be a “dip” month for players, based on what I’ve seen. Melky, I believe, historically hits over .300 in July, so we’ll see if that plays out for him this month.
His ABs have been much better since coming ’round. He’s had some poor luck (Millar snaring a would-be double, the plus-400 shot he hit in Citifield).
I really don’t have doubts about his hitting ability. His OBP is something he needs to work on. He gets into a fair amount of full counts, fighting back from a pitcher’s count, but Ks a lot on those counts, although I’d have to check the numbers.
Carlin talking about the trade on SNY
Keeps bringing up the fact that he is “durable”. I guess that’s the only good thing they can say about Francour LOL
Tarheelyank
July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
“Teams don’t trade in thier division.”
That argument is out the window.
Except for some writers, I don’t think there is one exec who believes that. You make the best trade in front of you. Period.
Do teams have a daily meeting to discuss thier approach to the opposing starter?
If so, I would love to sit in on Scioscia’s meeting tonight. Pat M can you sneak in a give us a report.
Doreen, I won’t be able to make it through the whole game. I’m going to try and go to sleep early (relatively speaking) tonight because I’ve been staying up WAY too late lately – I don’t want to crash due to lack of sleep and I’m literally afraid that eventually I will fall asleep at my desk. Besides, the Yanks have a better chance of winning if I go to bed before the game is over, lol……
Another thing about Boston and Halladay, I’ve heard some say that they would rather get a hitter.
The Sox have more than enough $$ to get BOTH Halladay and a quality hitter if they feel the need and benefit warrants the financial cost.
It comes down to a question of prospects. It seems like the Sox are very methodical in their acquisitions.
I certainly don’t think getting Halladay would prevent them from future deals for a position player.
I thought Francour is supposed to be a terrific defensive OFer – that’s probably why the trade was made. The Mets are brutal defensively
bodhi-IDK, I just don’t think Melky will end up as an everyday player. Since his early season hot streak he’s done pretty bad.
Gardner does have a .244 average and .344 OBP against lefties, which isin’t terrible.
Most of us would have signed for those numbers from him overall this year, not just against lefties.
“Teams don’t trade in thier division.”
it is a cliche a bromide. Saying it a thousand time doesn’t make it true
“Interesting trade. I didn’t think teams traded within their division?? Huh.”
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Let’s not use a “you take my crap, I’ll take your crap” trade as a debunker of that theory.
I agree, you trade in your division if the price is right, it happens. But this won’t convince the people who don’t believe that because neither team really cares about the guy they just traded…
Ironically, Church was their best defensive outfielder, so they don’t get better in that department.
Rebecca, Joba is going to give you something to write about tonight…..I remember the old NY days, bars stay open till 4…Love that when I go back for visits, as I’m on LA time so it’s great
“Ironically, Church was their best defensive outfielder, so they don’t get better in that department.”
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better than Beltran?
(when healthy)
Exactly, BD
Which is why it is foolish for people to say we shouldn’t be involved in the Halladay trade talks. Boston will be. They can afford him AND a hitter, as you say. And their rotation isin’t setting the world on fire.
Why does Torii Hunter have to be such a nice guy???
Bottom line -
JP Riccardi’s best chance to get the best package will be if he creates a Yankees/Sox bidding war. He knows it, both teams know it.
His job is to get the best package, not worry about where he is dealt. And his best opportunity to get that premier package is if he gets NY and BOS bidding against eachother.
: Jeter DH, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, Rodriguez 3B, Swisher RF, Cano 2B, Cabrera CF, Ransom SS, Molina C, Chamberlain P
Big trade AND Angel Pagan off the DL!
Mets are back!
“Exactly, BD
Which is why it is foolish for people to say we shouldn’t be involved in the Halladay trade talks. Boston will be. ”
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I would love Halladay to join the Yanks, but as I originally thought, I think both the Sox and the Yanks would be simply happy to see him go to the NL.
As Pete has said, addition by subtraction.
Still, the idea that the Yankees wouldn’t even be involved in the discussion seemed ridiculous to me.
Why would a team ever say they weren’t even going to discuss something? That has no bearing on whether or not a deal would be made. But I’m skeptical anytime a team (or the media) says they’re not even interested in the possibility of a deal (for a premium player)
Uh oh.
YankeesPR 7/10 lineup: Jeter DH, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, Rodriguez 3B, Swisher RF, Cano 2B, Cabrera CF, Ransom SS, Molina C, Chamberlain P
Ransom playing short?
Ramiro, Ramiro, wherefore art thou ramiro?
“Jeter DH, Damon LF, Teixeira 1B, Rodriguez 3B, Swisher RF, Cano 2B, Cabrera CF, Ransom SS, Molina C, Chamberlain P”
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yes, it’s a lefty and Matsui will prob play the final 2 games…
but is that 2 straight games off for arguably their hottest hitter?
Church is a very good defensive outfielder. But Jerry Manuel obviously didn’t like him, so this is a fresh start for both guys. Francouer cannot hit a curveball. But he has a big arm in the outfield. The Mets treated Church pretty terribly, but you never know what was going on behind the scenes.
one way to kill a hot streak?
sit the guy 2 games in a row.
get Matsui in there!!
Dave21
July 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Gardner does have a .244 average and .344 OBP against lefties, which isin’t terrible.
Most of us would have signed for those numbers from him overall this year, not just against lefties.
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I agree Gardner is doing a fine job especially after his brutal start. What were people expectations of him coming out of spring training? I think he has become a very productive role player for this team. He has much more range than Melky does in center.
I give the credit to Gardner and Melky.
Right now, I’d start Gardner until he proves he can’t get it done.
I know Jeter’s been playing a lot, but I”d like to hear an explanation for Jeter as DH, since the ASB is in 3 days. Although he is the starter for that…
I’m a tad worried about the whole Ransom playing short thing…
Ransom and Molina back to back. I rather have Pena.
Matsui not being able to play the field really hurts us.
We need the DH spot to rotate the aging stars, and for Posada when he isin’t catching.
How nice it would be to stick him in RF instead of Swisher
“I’m a tad worried about the whole Ransom playing short thing…”
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just a tad?
Jeter will have a couple days off coming up.
I’d like to see Matsui in there at DH and let Jeter stay at short.
Uncle Ellsworth
July 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Big trade AND Angel Pagan off the DL!
Mets are back!
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Now only if Argenis Reyes could live up to his .218/.259/.245 potential, they’d seal up the NL East within a month!
I really think the key to “MelkNer” is sharing the time. It benefits each one and the Yankees are the winners. I don’t know if either one of them every single day would be as productive as the hybrid.
“We need the DH spot to rotate the aging stars, and for Posada when he isin’t catching.”
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I agree, in principle, with that.
But with the all-star break just a few days away, even the guys playing in the game will have a couple days off.
the rest of the guys will have 3 days off.
Francoeur value has really dropped a year or two ago the rumors were that they were trading him to KC for Greinke. Mets fans will be booing Francoeur by Septemeber.
just let girardi keep shuffling the deck, hes going fine. seems like hes getting max production out of everybody.
Clearly, Girardi is content with getting the split on the road trip and doesn’t mind losing tonight
what kind of lineup is that?
why is Gardner in there against a lefty?
Ransom?
Molina?
I don’t care what the stats or peripherals say, I love that GGBG!
I’ll be up tonight cheering from the Green Mountains!
Infiltrate Mets LoHud to discuss trade??
http://mets.lohudblogs.com/
I’ll be up! The Yankees are playing great. Hope Joba has a good game…
Anybody talking about trading for Rios (Jays)?
Stultus Magnus
July 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Infiltrate Mets LoHud to discuss trade??
http://mets.lohudblogs.com/
I was there
As usual, Chris Carlin performing the spin job
“Great trade for the Mets”
And that confirms it, Chris Carlin has never watched a baseball game. Seriously, Jeff Francoeur may be the worst player in baseball.
They haven’t updated their blog with the trade yet.
That’s gotta be slightly awkward, though. You show up to play, probably do some pre-game workouts and whatnot, see your name in the starting line up and a couple minutes later you’re not on the team.
magnus had it right, church for frenchy is garbage for garbage. its re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic
# Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Doreen: I’m a 23 year old that lives in NYC.
My average bedtime is about 3 AM…
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LOL amen to that. Sleeping is overrated.
Joe G
July 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
As usual, Chris Carlin performing the spin job
“Great trade for the Mets”
And that confirms it, Chris Carlin has never watched a baseball game. Seriously, Jeff Francoeur may be the worst player in baseball.
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I love how the mets shills are talking about Francoeur’s arm. Ryan Church also has a great arm and is the better fielder of the two.
Altro July 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Clearly, Girardi is content with getting the split on the road trip and doesn’t mind losing tonight
what kind of lineup is that?
why is Gardner in there against a lefty?
Ransom?
Molina?
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Is that you, Nicholas Cage?!
Seeing as you know what will happen a few hours ahead of time.
Francoeur’s lifetime stats:
OPS .732
OPS+ 89
OBP .308
OPS trend:
2007 .782
2008 .653
2009 .634
No speed (career 14 SB, 12 CS). Enjoy, Met fans!
Frankly I think the trade is a wash. the Mets made a trade simply to show they are doing “something”, but this wont impact them either way. The way I see it, its one of those lost years for the Mets. They might as well just re-group for next year at this point. I know Wilpon wont want to hear it but its better than doin something really foolish