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Good, but not yet good enough

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 12, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

To a man — and manager — the Yankees said that getting swept by the Angels was no big deal and that they still had a good first half.

Fair enough. They are 51-37 and if the playoffs started tomorrow, they would be the wild card.

But the Yankees have played four teams (the Angels, Red Sox, Phillies and Tigers) who lead their respective divisions at the break and they are 5-15 against those teams. That’s why you can’t dismiss this weekend as just some bad luck.

The idea for a $210 million team in a $1.5 billion ballpark isn’t to make the playoffs, it’s to win them. For now, the Yankees have not been especially competitive against the best teams.

That has to change in the second half. The Yankees have 10 more games against Boston, three against the Angels and three against the Tigers starting on Friday. And don’t forget the nine games left against Tampa Bay.

The Yankees were nine games out after 88 games last season. So while this season has been significantly better, it’s still not good enough. How they play in those 25 games will determine how good this team really is.

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  1. Joe July 12th, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    Who cares about their record against those teams? All that matters is that they make the playoffs and from there it’s a crapshoot. The regular season has no bearing on the playoffs. Case in point- The Orlando Magic won the regular season series vs. the L.A. Lakers. It doesn’t mean anything.

  2. Racecar July 12th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

    Excellent post, Pete. That is what it is right now, no sugarcoating.

  3. Cando July 12th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    Be careful Pete…. the usual suspects will bash you for pointing out that this team’s weakness…. the same ones who think we are a good team because we throw pies at eachother…

  4. Pel July 12th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    >it’s still not good enough.

    It’s not ideal, if that’s what you mean.

  5. mark July 12th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

    The Yankees are a good second half team. I expect this season to be no different.

  6. k42 July 12th, 2009 at 7:48 pm

    Fair point, and there’s a tough schedule ahead, but I can’t put too much stock into 5-15 against those teams. None of these games were runaway wins for the Angels, and the same could be said for at least 80% of the games out of those 15 losses.

    Fact is, Figgins came up with a lucky stab at an awkward, hard hit grounder in the 7th and Oliver had an even luckier catch to close out the 8th. 2 lucky DPs that could have gone the other way very easily. That’s just this game… there have been enough games among those 15 losses where a base hit here or there could have changed the outcome.

    It’s baseball. They’re beating (convincingly) the teams they need to beat, and they’re still working out rotation issues. I’m OK with that at this point in the season.

  7. ARZ 432 July 12th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

    We are a 2nd tier team

    Not as good as Boston, LA, Philly, and the Dodgers

    On the same level as Tampa, Texas, Detroit,

  8. Betsy July 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Yeah they suck Pete. Who cares about the Phillies? They’ve played well against Detroit (notice how you left out the Rangers -ok, they aren’t leading the division, but they were at the time the Yanks played them) and are 4-4 against the Rays. They also swept the Twins (7-0) and the Twins are a good team.

    LOL it’s still not good enough? For who? I’ll take 15 games over anytime……sorry, that’s ridiculous.

  9. Doreen July 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    Can’t argue with that assessment, Pete.

    They’ve done very well this first half of the season, especially considering all that has gone awry (but one can’t ignore that the Angels and Rays have had their fair share of woes as well). They are a much better team than last season’s edition.

    There is definitely room for improvement and if they do, great. If not, it’s going to be a grind.

  10. RalphieD (OPPC) DO NOT LOOK AT YES RADAR GUN..IT IS WRONG July 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    not good enough but when you consider they havent had wang…missed arod for a month…missed jorge for 20 something games…lost bruney for a while..didnt really have a productive tex for a month or so…joba has been below average..

    not excuses but this team is good….but needs to get better..

  11. bru July 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    having ace spot start hurt our pen big time.
    that put him out til after the asb.

    what that did is force us to use robertson,coke,etc in big spots.

    also the strength that we had with 6 starters is gone.
    hughes in the pen,wang hurt.
    joba & pettitte are pitching terrible also.

    look for cashman to get a pitcher.
    probably not halladay but a solid 3-5 starter.
    imo we need a #3 starter so pettitte can slot in at 4 & joba at 5.

    the problem we have last year & this year is we keep slotting our pitchers wrong.

    pettitte is not a 3 & joba is not a 4 or 5.

    if we can get a solid # 3 pitcher i think we are ok.

  12. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out how Figgins caught A-Rods shot to third ( bad hot and all ) & turns it into a dp. then Oliver somehow catchers Swisher’s bulllet and turns it into 2…….Texeria looked real tight in the games I watched ( Friday & today )…..I mentioned this after the Angels were in NY, Chone Figgins is in his walk year….Someone to consider for leftfield next season….He also plays 3rd & 2nd….Talk about flexability….Plus he wouldn’t be around to torment them……

  13. KO July 12th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Pretty brutal series, I am extremely disappointed in CC, this is why we paid him the big money… to win games like today… You can say our offense blew it but 4 runs should have been enough with our “ace” on the hill… two consecutive terrible losses on Friday and Saturday, he needs to be the stopper and instead he chokes… Thank God the All-Star break is here and then we start a long home stand….

  14. Betsy July 12th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Yeah, the Phillies have great pitching – they’ve let the hapless Mutts hang around in a crappy division. They have a better record than the Angels, but they’re still not better than them. OK ……..turn off the tv and get ready for football season, I guess

  15. 86w183 July 12th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    They were in great shape to win this one in the seventh and eighth innings but couldn’t ocme through.

    I’m not concerned about how they do against the better teams. History has shown that regular season results do not often is ever guarantee a repeat in the post-season. They have to get the post-season and go from there.

    One good thing about getting swept… ownership might be a lot more interested in doing a Halladay deal. If the Jays want to link Rios so be it… after watching Hinske this weekend and Swisher all season plus Damon in LF it’s pretty clear the Yankees now have four DHs and two OFs.

    A good RF makes that catch and the fourth inning doesn’t fall apart. The Yankees haven’t had a good RF in awhile, but Abreu is Clemente compared to what we’ve seen in ’09.

    Is it time to go ahead and do Joba/Swisher/McAllister plus Romine/Cervelli for Halladay/Rios? Does that get it done? If they insist on Austin Jackson they can’t have McAllister.

  16. bru July 12th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    joba is a 4 or 5 i meant to say

  17. Stan July 12th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Those good teams haven’t dominated us.. we’ve just found ways to lose to them.

    Did it occur to anyone that maybe we are not as good as those other teams?

  18. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    I won’t lie. As a fan, it’s depressing going into the break on the heels of a sweep. A lot to think about.

    Way I see it, the big issue revolves around the pitching.

    The offense has been okay–Teixeira’s slump is concerning–but the Yankees are still one of the best offensive teams in the league. So, honestly, no reason to touch it.

    For the pitching however, the issues as I see them:

    1) who starts for Wang?
    2) What to do about Joba?
    3) CC’s peripherals

    1) Who starts for Wang?

    It should be Mitre. Taking Aceves out of the bullpen has taken the mask out of the bullpen. Every team’s bullpen, from the Angels to the White Sox, has a soft underbelly you never want to have to see.

    For the Yankees, when Aceves is in the bullpen you can mask that underbelly for much longer than you could otherwise. Less Robertson, less probably-still-injured Bruney, more Phils and Mo.

    So give Mitre the start. If he pitches well, give him another one. If he stinks up the joint, address your problem then, but at least your bullpen is intact.

    2) What to do about Joba?

    I have no idea. Part of the issue is that he was so good in 07 and pre-injury in 08 that we have crazy expectations, but young pitchers are supposed to struggle.

    If this was any other pitcher, how do you handle it? Conversely, because we know the potential of Joba, does this merit special treatment?

    3) CC’s peripherals

    I’ve seen a few people mention it–CC’s peripheral’s are the worst they’ve been since 2005. Some of it, no doubt, has to do with moving to the AL East, but his success on the road, until today had a lot to do with a ridiculous BABIP (batting average of balls in play). Today it caught up to him, and this is what happened.

    So, if you’re a Yankee fan, given the importance of CC to the team and the size of the investment, are you worried? And if you are not, when would you get worried?

    For a four or a five starter, all you care about are innings, but for someone like CC, you care about quality innings. If CC’s not giving you quality innings, and it’s not April or a one-time thing, something’s up.

    Solve these questions and everything else as regards the bullpen and the rotation should sort itself out.

    Again, the offense has been doing its thing. You’d like to see Teixeira not slump and whatnot, but on the whole one can’t complain. There are about 27 other teams that would kill for the Yanks’ line up.

  19. minnesota yankee fan July 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    They really need to step it up. When the pitching is bad, it stinks down the line… same for hitting and fielding. But when they are good, they are really, really good. I think A-Rod needs to be moved from the clean up spot. He is not a threat in my eyes and chokes more often than he comes through. Plus there is his nonchalant attitude that drives me nuts!

  20. KO July 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    And yes Teixeira was useless this entire series… idk his stats against Boston this year, but I know w/ the booing and everything in Baltimore he was terrible…. and now against an ex-team with more boos in Anaheim he’s awful again… I think this guy is a little too mental right now

  21. Zooboy July 12th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

    I think the first half has been a pretty accurate reflection of the team’s talent: above average, but a cut below the elite. We’ll see if that changes in the second half.

  22. Lance July 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    You speak the truth, Pete.

    Nobody who is objective can disagree with that assessment.

  23. Christina July 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    On a different and probably more upbeat note, I just got back home from the Scranton game. Mitre looked really well and I noticed there were a handful of scouts on hand. I have been to 3 other games so far this year and this was the first time ive seen that many scouts in the stands.

    The game was quick, only lasting about 2.5 hours long. Mitre coasted through the lineup, I think inducing 2 double plays. He could have had three had it not been for a bad play by the 2b. His fastball was consistently hitting between 90-92 and his stuff looked pretty good.

    Other notes:
    *Eric Duncan is just terrible. For a guy that was supposed to be the next big thing, he sure turned out to be a big flop. He is hitting under .220 and looked lost at the plate today.
    *Ramiro Peno played CF for the first time today. He seemed to have a good jump on the ball out there and even made a pretty sweet play in the 9th inning.
    *Angel Berroa started for the Mets today. He actually came through in the bot of the 9th inning with an RBI single. Mets nearly pulled off a comeback as Edwar was struggling.
    *Kei Igawa is actually really good to the fans. I think he signed about 100 autographs today. I guess I would be happy too if I was making a crap load of money only to be pitching in the minor leagues.

  24. KO July 12th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

    nah BS zooboy… the Yankees have more talent than any team in baseball probably… Most of their losses have been choke jobs or bad managing… Nearly every game they lose they should win… the talent is not the problem…

  25. Mo July 12th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Records vs. AL teams over .500:
    LA: 21-28
    Boston: 24-18
    NYY: 21-20
    TB: 17-20

    Boston is a bit better than the Yankees, which is why they are ahead in the division. But this idea that the Angels beat the good teams or that TB does is ridiculous. Most good teams play solid against good teams and rack up wins on the softer teams.

  26. Leo 102 July 12th, 2009 at 7:57 pm

    Pete – Who cares about beating good teams?

    Next week, when the Oriole come into down, A-Rod or someone will hit a walkoff HR and AJ will throw a pie at him and Joba will be his decoy and all will be right with the world! World series here we come!

  27. Lonz July 12th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    The Nationals/Marlins series was just a bad slump when the team went ice cold.

    This series and the Boston series were both when we were red hot, but got put back down to earth by a better team.

  28. Enoch44 July 12th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    “How they play in those 25 games will determine how good this team really is”

    Not really. Those series are all small samples of games over a large season. There will be different factors leading into all of them. The schedule makers were kind enough to schedule a couple of the sox series for right when the Yankees return off long road trips.

    They just need to make the post season, where anything can happen.

  29. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

    No, Pete doesn’t speak the truth on this issue. It’s hogwash.

    But I do know this theme is going to be repeated daily in the newspapers, blogosphere, and talk radio this week.

    This isn’t the BCS. A win against the Twins is the same as a win against the Red Sox.

  30. Peter Abraham July 12th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Betsy:

    Where did I saw they suck? The title of the post was good but not good enough. Do you think three games out and 10 games under .500 against the best teams they played is OK?

    I understand you’re a fan. But don’t make up stuff about me to suit your agenda. I didn’t write they suck, I wrote they have underachieved against good teams. How is that not true?

    I like how it’s somehow my fault when I simply present statistics.

  31. vtred July 12th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Philly is 7 games ahead of the Mets in he loss column. How much further do you want them to be?

  32. Jones July 12th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    *Ramiro Peno played CF for the first time today. He seemed to have a good jump on the ball out there and even made a pretty sweet play in the 9th inning.”
    _______________________________________________
    Not bad for a first time Center Fielder. I read on Chad Jennings blog that Pena was a little nervous at first, but did pretty good. Especially with the wind blowing too. Great for him.

  33. Bell July 12th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Pete – That’s Betsy for you. Has no concept of reality… everything is great because AJ Burnett throws pies at people.

    Real, objective fans will appreciate your analysis, because it is spot on.

  34. Enoch44 July 12th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Mo wrote: “Boston is a bit better than the Yankees, which is why they are ahead in the division.”

    The flukey 8-0 against the Yankees is why they’re ahead. 4-4 represents an 8 game swing.

  35. Tom K July 12th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Wow, I wonder how this blog would have looked during the 2000 season. Or in 1998, when they started losing some games in September.

    Baseball has benefited greatly from the Internet revolution – information on just about anything you want can be found. You can find multiple blogs about the worst teams in baseball.

    On the flip-side, you have fans who just can never accept a loss. Or accept that sometimes you’ll get swept. Or that sometimes you’ll lose games you thought you should win; or win games that you had no business winning. Of course, everyone forgets about the latter category – or, to be more precise, I see people posting about “Yeah they won, but they did this wrong and that wrong, and blah blah blah”

    And of course, it doesn’t help when the blogger himself goes back and forth on the team…except when it comes to the scoreboard, of course.

    Does anyone watch the game for the joy of it anymore? Anyone look at 50+ wins at the ASB and say, “Wow – this team has entertained me this summer, and likely will all the way until the final pitch”? Did anyone in this blog witness the 1993 season, a season filled with hope that had a letdown down the stretch?

    Baseball is not a game to be taken in small doses. It’s a big picture game; and in the big picture, the Yankees played well enough in the first half to be 3 games out of first and in the lead for the Wild Card. What they’ve done against “division leaders”? Who cares? If Texas would have won one more game in the first half, the record vs. “division leaders” wouldn’t look so bad.

  36. Cando July 12th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    How is it hogwash?

    Our record against those teams is not made up. We haven’t beaten division leaders this year.

    Texas has no pitching, there is a reason that the Angels had all the injuries/misfortune they did early on and still overtook them for the division.

  37. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Lance July 12th, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    You speak the truth, Pete.

    Nobody who is objective can disagree with that assessment.

    ————

    Really?

    The Yanks were 20-16 against the Red Sox and Rays last season, but they were 15-20 against the Reds, Royals, Pirates, Rangers, and Tigers – all teams that finished below .500 in 2008.

    The reason why this team didn’t make the postseason a year ago is because they lost an alarming number of games against teams they should have beaten.

    It’s not because they didn’t play well against good teams.

  38. Doreen July 12th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    Hey, you can be realistic and still love the pies! :lol:

  39. Matthew July 12th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    The 1998 and 2000 teams had championship pedigree and were the best teams in baseball during that stretch. The 2000 team had just won 3 WS in 4 years.

    Completely different situation. What has this core ever won? What have CC, Tex, AJ, A-Rod, etc. ever won?

    Until they do it, fans have every right to be skeptical.

  40. Tom K July 12th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Pete –

    Well, you have to stop posting stuff that is misleading. You conveniently leave out good teams that they have defeated..ie, the Rangers and the Twins. They have also done well against the Jays, a team that predictably faltered down the stretch of the first half but still played much better than expected. The Mariners are another pretty good team that they took a series from. They went 4-4 vs. the Rays.

    The 8 games vs. Boston were dreadful; no way should this team be 0-8 vs. the Red Sox. But against every other team they have played, they have done well enough. I can’t expect them to win the season series vs. everybody, and if any team is going to take a season series from them, we always know the Angels are a great candidate. The Phillies & Tigers at this point really don’t count for much…the Yankees beat one good team in a road series (Tigers) and lost to the other good team at home (Phillies). They are more of a “wash” than a disappointment or a reason for concern.

  41. Christina July 12th, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Jones- Yeah he looked pretty decent out there. Don’t they always say it’s easier for a guy to go from the outfield to the infield? I know it was only his first day out there, but he handled it well.

    This will be good for Pena though as it gives himself and the team more versatility. I wonder how often they will put him out there though as they can’t really take the CF stop away from Austin Jackson for too long. He played RF in today’s game.

  42. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Cando July 12th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

    How is it hogwash?

    Our record against those teams is not made up. We haven’t beaten division leaders this year.

    Texas has no pitching, there is a reason that the Angels had all the injuries/misfortune they did early on and still overtook them for the division.

    ————-

    Sure about that?

    Detroit was in first place when they hooked up and they won 2 of 3 in Detroit and did so without A-Rod.

    They also played six games against Texas when the Yanks and Rangers were battling for the AL’s best record and both in first place.

  43. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    In the regular season, the only time an opponent matters is when that opponent is in your own division.

    Thus, 0-8 against Boston is a bigger deal than the record against the Angels or Phillies.

    However, I don’t think the Yankees will go winless against the Sox. Given that six of the games were in Boston, I’d expect the Yankees to have a losing record against the Sox at this point (though, admittedly, not 0-8).

    Still, right now, all tht matters is getting to the postseason.

    After that, all bets are off.

  44. Tracko July 12th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    I’m sick of everyone saying this is a “different team”.

    Did they look like a different team this weekend when they got embarrassed by Anaheim again?

  45. RalphieD (OPPC) DO NOT LOOK AT YES RADAR GUN..IT IS WRONG July 12th, 2009 at 8:09 pm

    “The 1998 and 2000 teams had championship pedigree and were the best teams in baseball during that stretch. The 2000 team had just won 3 WS in 4 years.

    Completely different situation. What has this core ever won? What have CC, Tex, AJ, A-Rod, etc. ever won?

    Until they do it, fans have every right to be skeptical.

    what had the red sox won before 2004? nothing for 86 years….you dont have to have won before to win now…what about the rays last year?…they made it to the world series with as much playoff experience as me

  46. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    “The 1998 and 2000 teams had championship pedigree and were the best teams in baseball during that stretch. The 2000 team had just won 3 WS in 4 years”

    1999 feels left out.

  47. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:11 pm

    Pete is absolutely right, but IMO our team is too good not to start beating thse teams.

    I consider this a freak thing only because we DID win two of three from Anaheim earlier in the year.

  48. Peter Abraham July 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    OK, “Giuseppe” here is what A-Rod said:

    “I’ve said this all along, we have to focus on the little things in those games. I feel very good about this team, but we have to play better against the better teams. We have to.”

    So he’s wrong, too? Jeter said the same thing. 0-8 against Boston when they’re three games behind them counts like just like a Twins game? That makes perfect sense.

    These are human beings, they need confidence. They can’t go into the playoffs knowing they played .250 ball against the other contenders.

    That is too funny. They’re 3 games behind a team they haven’t proven they can beat but it’s no big deal. Of course not. Not a big deal at all.

  49. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    “Completely different situation. What has this core ever won? What have CC, Tex, AJ, A-Rod, etc. ever won?”

    Didn’t AJ win a World Series with the Marlins?

  50. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

    Rebecca-The 99′ team cemented us over the Braves as team of the 90′s.

  51. murphydog July 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    A lot has gone down in the way of key injuries and new faces. Thus it’s been musical chairs the whole first half and to have done this well is a very good sign, regardless of their records against Boston or The Angels.

    IMO, the team will gel over the second half and come on very strong. Over the next 81 games I think you’ll see Hughes remain tough in the 8th, and Teix and Alex get on track. CC and AJ will have a good second half.

    Joba either raises his game fast (by his next start?) or he gets sent to Scranton to finish the rest of the season, getting called up for bullpen duty in September.

    If they get an effective Wang back it will be like making a big trade. Assuming Wang is back even 80%, all they really need is a 5th starter. Mitre? Aceves? Somebody else? Not such a big deal, IMO.

    See? I’m trying to be optimistic!

  52. Carl C. July 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    The Twins are one game over .500.

    How are they a good team?

    That’s like saying Toronto is a good team. They are a mediocre team.

  53. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Pete-It’s important, but I think that the fact that depite all this we’re only three games back means something.

    But you’re right, absolutely.

  54. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    “Completely different situation. What has this core ever won? What have CC, Tex, AJ, A-Rod, etc. ever won?”

    Didn’t AJ win a World Series with the Marlins?

    And didn’t he happen to…you know…beat the Yankees that year, too?

  55. Mo July 12th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

    Didn’t the Angels go 1-8 vs Boston last season? What happened in the playoffs?

  56. XFactor July 12th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    Rebecca – Your 7:53 post was the best post written all day. Everyone should read it.

  57. bru July 12th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Tom K

    pete posted statistical facts against 4 teams & he is right.

    why are you twisting it???

    if he wanted to pull other teams like seattle into it he would have but they are not leading any divisions.

  58. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Xfactor: Thanks man (woman?), I appreciate it!

  59. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    Pete, Are you spending the night in The OC ??? The only flight out of John Wayne is the late Delta flight to LGA via Atlanta……LAX is always a dreadful option

  60. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    CC is a great pitcher. Tex is a great hitter.

    I’m betting on both having monster second halves. That is my prediction.

    I have no issues with this first half considering all that has happened w/the Sox.

  61. steve July 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    The 2004 team lost to the Sux because of Torre.

    Not because of some divine intervention or curses or any silliness like that. Torre made several moves which let the Sux back in the series. Once they were back in the series, the momentum was too great to hold off.

  62. vb03 July 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    Pete is spot on. This team is going nowhere if they can’t beat the likes of Boston and Anaheim, teams that they will see in the postseason (if they even get there).

  63. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Geez…how deep is the Sox staff when they could bring up Clay Buchholz just to give Wakefield & Beckett extra rest after the ASG…..This is the difference between these two clubs & by a wide margin right now

  64. EricNS July 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Excellent post Pete!

  65. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    IMO grouping several teams into one team is not a good idea.

    We’re 0-8 vs. the Sox. We’re 2-4 vs. the Angels.

    Don’t know what the stats are vs. the Rangers, but we’ve done well against them

    Don’t remember the Tigers giving us fits.

    And the Phillies was far too small a sample size to judge.

  66. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

    Pete,

    So what are the players’ supposed to say? You seem to use whatever they respond to suit your story.

    Teixiera made a comment a couple of weeks ago and you made a big deal out of it when really nobody else that it was worth getting worked up over it.

    You do that all the time.

    Besides, what does this team have to do to change in the second half?

    Do they have to revamp their entire roster?

    Well, that’s not going to happen.

    If they get decent starting pitching – which they didn’t in this series – they’ll win their share of games.

    And as I said earlier, they didn’t make the postseason last year because they lost too many games against bad teams. It’s not because they didn’t have enough wins against the good teams.

  67. Zed July 12th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    Mo,

    Actually, it was Boston that went 1-8 vs. the Angels last year

    Angels actually swept them in Fenway Park after they got Teix and Boston traded Manny.

    But Boston always beats them in the playoffs. 3/3 in the last 5 years.

  68. YankeesLuv July 12th, 2009 at 8:20 pm

    I just saw the two dps again and the Angels made some nice plays, not easy at all especially Swishers. Damn I can’t stand those stinking Angels.

    Someone mentioned Arod should be moved from the cleanup spot. He’s come through plenty of times this year, be critical when it’s due but I can’t imagine anyone who has watched this entire season honestly feels that way.

  69. teddy July 12th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    well when ny beat tex and tor, they were in first place, that doesn’t count

  70. bru July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    we need a pitcher.

    if possible i would offer joba,romine & 2 others for halladay.

    if we can keep ajax great if not go joba,ajax,romine & one more if needed.

    i would not trade montero,hughes

  71. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    These are human beings, they need confidence. They can’t go into the playoffs knowing they played .250 ball against the other contenders.

    ————

    The Red Sox were 1-8 against the Angels last season and beat them in the postseason.

    The Yanks were 6-0 against the Tribe in the regular season in 2007 and lost to them in four games in the ALDS.

    There are plenty of other examples.

    All those regular season records go out the window come October.

  72. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

    Hank-Division race is over after being out by three games? Seriously?

    Why are we all so bent on predicting the playoffs when it’s been proven over and over that the playoffs are unpredictable?

    If we make the playoffs, pop the champagne, you did a good job, and then you throw away records and trends. Once we’re in (I think we’ll make it, and while I think the Sox win it the division race is NOT over)then we’ll worry about beating these teams. Until then, darn.

  73. YankeesLuv July 12th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    I do agree Pete, we must beat those teams.

  74. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    Pete, don’t get upset when people blame you. Honestly, people are upset that we just got swept, and apparently, there is a general feel amongst a lot of people that calling the team on their bad play somehow makes you less of a fan. I’ve always done it, and there’s generally always someone to call me negative about it. I called Tex’s last strike out, because he just wasting getting a good look at breaking stuff today, and if I saw that, the Angels saw that. And sure enough, he inexplicably looked fastball, he swung early, and missed on a slow breaking pitch. Calling that doesn’t make me less of a Yankee fan, it just means that I just might know a little about baseball and how pitchers go about attacking guys.

    I hate the idea that you can’t look at a team for what it is without being vilified as a “bridge jumper” or “not a real fan”. Right now, this team is playing scared of the big teams. I don’t count the Phillies series against them, because they played VERY well that series, and barely lost it. But they’re playing poorly against the Red Sox and Angels.

    My biggest concern right now is that the pitching isn’t going to cut it. Right now, we have CC (who wasn’t GREAT today) and AJ (who has been infallible lately), and pray for rain. Joba needs to turn it around, and that’s the key. If we can AT LEAST go 3-2 every turn through the rotation for the rest of the year, we make the playoffs. But Pettitte has been pretty much awful lately, and we currently have no 5th starter. That’s not going to get it done. It’s just not. Currently, there is entirely too much pressure on AJ and CC to win, because no one else is, and that’s a.) not fair to them and b.) not GOOD for them, because that much pressure will take them out of their game, and force them to press or over throw. It is TANTAMOUNT that Joba turns it around, and becomes the pitcher he was last season. Without him, we are sunk. Period. There is no nice way to put it, and it doesn’t make me less of a fan for saying it.

  75. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    somebody here yesterday did a bad mouth on Figgins about him not being able to play the OF, Well he’s better than any OF the Yankees have & I’ll take him on my team any day

  76. Wangawa July 12th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

    The only things you can say to give you faith are that the postseason is a crapshoot and anything can happen. That’s not really enough to make me feel positive about this team, though.

  77. Peter Abraham July 12th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    So now what the players say doesn’t matter. Of course had A-Rod said the opposite, you’d herald him as a great oracle.

    What does this team need to do in the second half? Beat good teams, that’s what. They also need a No. 5 starter and maybe some sense of what to do in the outfield as Johnny Damon is breaking down.

    This year is this year. What happened in 2008 doesn’t matter. The Yankees are chasing Boston and being chased by Tampa Bay. They are 4-12 against those teams. If they don’t play better than that against those teams, they can pack up their pies and go home.

    But of course you’re right and the players are wrong along with the people who are around the team every day. “My story” is what happens, period. I write what happens. This is what’s happening.

  78. Wi Zak July 12th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    CC has been a disappointment.

    The whole rotation has severely underperformed except maybe Burnett.

    CC – average (Almost 4 ERA)
    Andy – Below average, like a 6 ERA after April
    Joba – below average, regressing
    Wang – disaster
    we don’t even have a #5 starter

    AJ is the only one meeting expectations.

  79. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    Hank July 12th, 2009 at 8:17 pm

    If the Yanks win the wild card (divison race is over), they have no chance at getting out of the first round. This was supposed to be a significantly better team that was positioned stronger for the postseason. And it’s not.

    ———

    You are a fine Yankee fan.

    Perhaps you should do yourself a favor and stop watching the rest of the season since you already know the outcome over two months before it happens.

  80. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Geez…how deep is the Sox staff when they could bring up Clay Buchholz just to give Wakefield & Beckett extra rest after the ASG…..This is the difference between these two clubs & by a wide margin right now

  81. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Donnie-You are not a normal fan. I remeber you. You were the sexist who acted all high and mighty when they were losing to the Phillies in the second game, and then left before they made the comeback.

    Unless that was a troll, in which case I’m sorry. But if not, I give you no credibility.

  82. 4 x 4 July 12th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    “If they don’t play better than that against those teams, they can pack up their pies and go home.”

    LOL, nice Pete.

  83. Carl July 12th, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Hank

    Oh get out of here with that garbage. You thought since they came to NY CC would pitch to a 0 era and Tex would bat a thousand? I’m saving this post so you all will feast on crow.

  84. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Hank-If you’re calling the division race over back three games, you are a FOOL.

    If they’re so bad, follow another team and leave.

    I did not insult you, I only countered your arguement.

    Using insults to make your point proves nothing.

  85. Mo July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    C’mon Pete. They are 4-4 against Tampa, and are .500 against over 500 teams. They have stunk against Boston, which skews everything.

  86. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    Of course, ignoring NYY handling the Rangers, who were in first place at the beginning of the weekend helps the arguement. Texas, unless that pitching has a collective stroke will be in it until the end. A major reason that the Twins aren’t leading the AL Central is because of….ready for this?….the Yankees. Picking selective teams is much like picking selective players that used steroids while ignoring others is pretty weak and all in all useless. Tell the complete picture or forget your “points”.

  87. vince July 12th, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    I’ve been waiting for some honesty about CC,not living up to being a(stopper)Ace,and the Yankees expectations.

    I watched this game with a bunch of Cardinal fans(college bro’s),and one person said before Arod’s last at bat,Pujols lives for this kind of moment,and Arod strikes out!

    One guy looked at me and said dude,when will Yankee fans get tired of Arod hitting HR only to enhance his personal stats,and not come through for the team when you need him like now,and earn the money he’s paid?

    BY the way accurscore .com was 100% right on the Yankees losing this weekend to the Angels.What do they see tat the Yankees org don’t?

  88. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    “If the Yanks win the wild card (divison race is over), they have no chance at getting out of the first round. This was supposed to be a significantly better team that was positioned stronger for the postseason. And it’s not.”

    I don’t know, I think this team is. That’s not to say that this team doesn’t have issues, because it does, but I’m much more confident in it–which is why losing to Boston and Anaheim hurts more.

    Last season, after a certain point in time, we didn’t expect to win. There were simply too many injuries. So any win we did have was a nice win.

    But seriously, how many walk off wins did we have all of last season? 3? 4? We have EIGHT already this season.

    EIGHT.

    More often than not this team has showed incredible fight.

    With the exception of the series against the Nationals where the Yankees just decided to take three games off, this team has fought and fought some more.

    Even against the Angels, even after blowing the leads, the offense has fought back and sparked some hope. Friday and yesterday the bullpen wasn’t good enough to limit the damage–which happens when a bullpen is overexposed–and today we were just unlucky. Swisher SCORCHED that ball, should have been in center field.

    But hey, take the series against the Phillies–that second loss was *that* close from being walk off number nine ($#$@#$@ double plays)

    If the team keeps fighting like this, it will come through. When the starting pitching and bullpen does its job, like it did when the Yanks won 13 of 15 or when they won 9 in a row, etc, the team is virtually unbeatable.

    That’s why it’s so critical to figure out the SP situation.

    I don’t think you necessarily need Halladay to be good enough; if you’re looking to fill the five spot you just need someone to give you reasonable innings.

    But good starting pitching keeps most of the bullpen hidden. The less ANY bullpen is used, save Mo, the better the bullpen is.

    An offense can only be asked to do so much. They can’t score 10 runs a game, even the very best ones.

    Everything depends on the starting pitching.

  89. All-Star July 12th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    “If that is your prediction, then you are a fool. CC isn’t in Milwaukee anymore. This is what he is. A guy with an ERA around 4 who will give you a lot of innings, but can’t compete with elite pitchers. And he’s a guy who can’t finish off hitters anymore.”

    Yep. People have expected wayyy too much out of CC, like he was supposed to be Milwaukee CC.

    The guy is like Wang. A starter who will give you a lot of innings and keep you in most games. He is not a stopper like Beckett, Santana, Halladay etc.

  90. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

    I disagree about Johnny Damon Pete. He’s having a fine season.

  91. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    I’m…sexist? Care to explain that one? Because, seriously…um…what?

    And I don’t think I’ve ever acted, as you say, “high and mighty” about anything. ESPECIALLY not here.

    And if I left, I left posting HERE. I watch my games on the computer through MLB.com. I can’t post AND watch my games in full screen. I prefer to do that.

  92. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Rebecca-You have it nailed.

  93. 86w183 July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    This is the all too rypical mindset around here… let’s all worry like hjell about post-season matchups when there are 70+ games left in the season.

    If the Yankees were ten games OVER .500 against those teams it would be jack when the post-season begins. The first order of business is to get back into post-season play. They you can worry about winning the division and then turn your attention to home field throughout.

    We have seen over and over again how teams’ success over a particular opponent does not translate into post-season success with Yanks/Indians and Sawx/Angels just two recent examples. Take four days off, have several beverages and get ready for the next two months. Three wins over the Angels would not have clinched anything and three losses doesn’t rule out anything.

    Of course the players say that, they WANT to win against everyone they play and they do feel a sense of urgency. It’s just more than a little overblown.

  94. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    hey I said the Yankees would be 8 games out by Memorial day & I was wrong, 9 game winning streak did me in…This year looks like the year of the streaks for the Yankees

  95. Mark July 12th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Walkoff wins are a product of luck, more so than skill.

    You have to be in a position to have walkoffs. We played a lot of tie games at home and a lot of 1-run games against inferior closers. Of course we were going to accumulate some walkoffs.

    Boston has been doing it for years. How many times have we seen them rally in the 9th in Fenway against other teams?

    Good teams are always going to rally more.

  96. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Donnie-It was quite possible that was a troll, and if so I’m sorry.

    But the Donnie at that game started talking about how women didn’t know about baseball that they all worshipped Jeter. You alsmo made fun of the OPPC because they actually thought…wait for it…the Yankees would win!

    If that was a troll (or just a different Donnie) this is all irrelevant and I apologize.

  97. me July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    “The flukey 8-0 against the Yankees is why they’re ahead. 4-4 represents an 8 game swing.”

    Why is the 8-0 against the Yankees “flukey”? Sox beat the Yankees well in those games. Nothing flukey about playing good ball. I think the problem is that if the Yankees didn’t step it up in any of the games versus their “rival” what makes anyone think they’re going to step it up during a playoff run?

  98. Tankus July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Texas is a paper tiger.

    Look at their pitching staff. The Angels early season woes is the only reason the Rangers are even in this race. Tbey are not going anywhere with that pitching staff. They might be like Seattle in 07… they hung around into September because their offense got hot and they had a good bullpen. Then they fizzled out.

  99. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Of course had A-Rod said the opposite, you’d herald him as a great oracle.

    ————-

    Whatever you say, Pete. But that’s why you don’t have any idea what I’m about.

    You pull that nonsense all the time. Frankly, I don’t even take much of what you say seriously anymore.

    I think of A-Rod as a baseball player and a great one at that. He’s not my hero. My last hero was Mattingly because I grew up idolizing him.

    I’m too old for that now. My hero retired after 1995 and I haven’t had another one since.

    It is you who makes A-Rod out to be Charles Manson. I just hope people leave the guy alone so he can help my favorite team win ballgames.

  100. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Wallkoff wins are wins, like any other.

    I’ll take them.

  101. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Yankee OF defense is about as bad as you can get…just calling a spade a spade

  102. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 pm

    Well for some on this blog going 3-3 on this roadtrip was acceptable. I said before the games started that I expected the team to win 4 games and anything less was unacceptable.

    So what do you think? Are you all satisfied going 3-3? I’m sure not. What a crappy way to go into the allstar break. Three losses that should have been Three wins. Terrible pitching. Terrible fielding. No clutch hitting to speak of.

    Is this a playoff team? Before this series I thought so. Right now? Not so sure..

  103. bru July 12th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    we have plenty of number 5 starters.

    we need a number 3.

    what will getting a number 5 do?
    that makes pettitte a 3 & joba a 4 going against better pitchers.

    i like pettite at number 4 & joba 5.

  104. Johnny D. July 12th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    My Yankees are sucking. :(

  105. Hank July 12th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    “Hank-If you’re calling the division race over back three games, you are a FOOL.

    If they’re so bad, follow another team and leave.

    I did not insult you, I only countered your arguement.

    Using insults to make your point proves nothing.”

    You’re right and I’m sorry.

    But I still think Boston is just better than the Yanks.

    Regarding CC, I followed him closely last year with Milwaukee thanks to Extra Innings and he isn’t even close to being the same pitcher. I would guess his strikeouts are way down and he hardly ever gave up the big hit. With NY, he seems to always give up that big 2 out, run scoring hit, often even when he has 2 strikes on the batter. I’m sure AL vs NL has something to do with it, but he’s certainly a weak “ace” if he’s an “ace” at all.

  106. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Patrick-”Clutch hitting” would have been Swisher’s probable go ahead double had he not been robbed.

  107. CB July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    “Everything depends on the starting pitching.”

    That’s why focusing too much on the value Hughes or Aceves provides the pen can mask the most important underlying contribution either can make to the team.

    Hughes pitched well today. That’s great. It would have been much better to have him pitching 7 innings of one of these three starts.

    They can give Mitre a shot. No problem there.

    But on the whole too much focus is being put on the pen rather than on the state of the rotation.

    Can’t hold the rotation hostage to the pen.

  108. Al July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    And if we deduct the Twins wins from our record, we are 7 games over .500 and in 3rd place, 4 games out of the wild card.

    Two can play at this game. You are what your record says you are. Anybody can skew it and subtract and add wins/losses to make it prove their point. How about looking at the standings straight up?

  109. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    Corner OF defense is not good.

    CF is fine.

  110. Peter Abraham July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 pm

    I selected the teams that lead their divisions at the break, figuring that was a good sample size. Seemed like a fair way to do it.

    Of course, had I written that the 5-15 record doesn’t matter, the usual trolls and get-a-lifers would have ripped me for that. Some people will do whatever they have to get attention. I need to learn to stop responding to cranks I guess.

    Anyway, I need to finish up and get to the airport. Thanks for reading today guys.

  111. Pel July 12th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Cherry Picking 101
    =============
    Yankees:
    0-8 Vs. BOS
    1-2 Vs. PHI
    2-4 Vs. LAA
    1-2 Vs. FLA
    1-2 Vs. WSN
    4-4 Vs. TBR
    =============
    9-22
    =============

    Red Sox
    2-4 Vs. LAA
    1-2 Vs. NYM
    2-4 Vs. SEA
    1-2 Vs. TEX
    3-3 Vs. OAK
    4-6 Vs. TBR
    =============
    13-21
    =============

  112. Hank July 12th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    “Hank-If you’re calling the division race over back three games, you are a FOOL.

    If they’re so bad, follow another team and leave.

    I did not insult you, I only countered your arguement.

    Using insults to make your point proves nothing.”

    You’re right and I’m sorry.

    But I still think Boston is just better than the Yanks.

    Regarding CC, I followed him closely last year with Milwaukee thanks to Extra Innings and he isn’t even close to being the same pitcher. I would guess his strikeouts are way down and he hardly ever gave up the big hit. With NY, he seems to always give up that big 2 out, run scoring hit, often even when he has 2 strikes on the batter. I’m sure AL vs NL has something to do with it, but he’s certainly a weak “ace” if he’s an “ace” at all…

  113. Doreen July 12th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    Rebecca -

    I missed your earlier post, well, earlier. :)

    Good work.

    There is no shame in admitting that though the Yankees have done very well, they could do better. It doesn’t cost you your “optimism” card or anything like that. I’m not overly concerned about not having beat Boston yet, because this is pretty much the script over the last couple of years. Lose to Boston early beat them late. But this time around all but 2 of the early games were at Fenway. Wish they had won the 2 at the Stadium but they didn’t . Move on and get ‘em in August.

    The Angels in California are a nightmare. Literally. It goes beyond this year’s team. It seems everything that can go wrong out there does. The hitters usually hit, but the pitching falls apart. Seriously, some new scouting or better use of the scouting they have done?

    I don’t see any reason to go overboard with the criticism. There are problems that they’ve overcome and some news ones cropped up. They’ll deal. I do like this team. And they ARE different from last season and it has nothing to do wih the pies. But it does have to do with the fact that they are fighters, they don’t give up, they are in every game to the last out. If they continue that and address their real issues, the valid ones, they’ll be okay.

  114. S.A.--Serenity Now July 12th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    The Red Sox were 1-8 against the Angels last season and beat them in the postseason.

    The Yanks were 6-0 against the Tribe in the regular season in 2007 and lost to them in four games in the ALDS.

    There are plenty of other examples.

    All those regular season records go out the window come October.

    =======================================

    Ding Ding
    We have a winner.
    I think also Detroit in 2006. The yankees were able to beat them in the regular season, too bad the same thing didn’t happen in the post-season.

    Have these past three games been upsetting? Extremely. I don’t even know who to curse at first, so many options. But, the 2nd half of the season awaits us.

    Just make it to the post-season and it’s a whole new ballgame.

  115. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    “Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:30 pm

    Rebecca-You have it nailed.”

    I told you all I’m on a roll today. Seriously, don’t try me, I will in.

    “Walkoff wins are a product of luck, more so than skill.

    You have to be in a position to have walkoffs. We played a lot of tie games at home and a lot of 1-run games against inferior closers. Of course we were going to accumulate some walkoffs.”

    I’d argue the exact opposite.

    Takes skill enough and decent pitching to keep your team in the game to begin with.

    Bad teams let games get out of hand and never give themselves a chance.

    For the most part, especially at home and not counting CMW first half starts, the Yankees have always had a chance, always make it close.

    Yeah, sometimes the rally falls short because the offense has to do too much, but to get to the point where you are walking off, you have to be good enough to be there with the other team, toe to toe.

  116. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    would like to get a 8th inning guy but the more I look at the situation a SP right now is more important, it could go a long way in helping the bullpen out..also find a utitity player not named Cody

  117. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Peter-Before you go, can you give us the record against teams that were in first place at the time?

  118. Mike D July 12th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    If we don’t fix the pitching, there won’t even be a postseason for us.

    Look at our immediate issues before trying to project months in the future. You have to get to the postseason first, and right now, the rotation is not good enough to do that, unless you think this offense will score 1000 runs like 2007 and not go through another cold stretch.

  119. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Different Donnie or a troll. I actually think most of the girls around here (especially Rebecca, Trisha, and Erica) know a lot more than a lot of the guys who post here (or anywhere, for that matter).

    I don’t choose to be part of the “OPPC”, because I’m generally not an OVERLY optimistic person. Like today, I never got the sense that we were getting off the deck. As long as none of the OPCC treat anyone any differently for watching the game the way THEY choose, I have absolutely no problem with people being optimistic. They can watch the game any way they choose, as long as I (and others) aren’t treated differently for providing a different POV. I generally have a reason for not thinking they’re going to win, and not just, “OH NOES TEH YANKZ SUXXOR”, and I also GLADLY admit when they prove me wrong.

    So…yeah. Different Donnie completely. haha

  120. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

    I love this team. One series does not change my opinion.

  121. Mo July 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Everyone keeps talking about Milwaukee. CC Sabathia won a CY Young in the AL. Some people are really dense.

  122. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    CB, Moving Hughes to the rotation and being effective will take a month…So you still have a hole in the rotation and now there is no bridge at all to Rivera…..I think it’s too late for that move, as the season’s clock is ticking away….Whatever help comes it’s going to be via a trade….It’s a fluke that Joba got drilled that day, and Wang was called back to the Bronx…..The rotation would be different, but so would the back end of the pen….Hughes to Mo has been the final touches to the Yanks run the past month and a half…..Yanks are in a tough spot…Stick with Joba and hope he’s comes around…Hands are tied

  123. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

    Donnie-All right. Sorry for accusing you, I just remeber somebody with that name being really stupid.

  124. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    Mo-I agree.

  125. Jones July 12th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    “This will be good for Pena though as it gives himself and the team more versatility. I wonder how often they will put him out there though as they can’t really take the CF stop away from Austin Jackson for too long. He played RF in today’s game.”

    Its funny that you said that, because I wondered that as well.

  126. Laura - And the Oscar goes to....Optimus Prime!! July 12th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    You can get all wrapped up in the fact that we haven’t performed great against better teams. However, come postseason, it won’t matter. As many have mentioned, we manhandled CLE and DET in two different seasons and lost to them in the playoffs.

    In the end, our biggest concern should be making it to the postseason. We can worry about beating the better teams then.

  127. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Montero update-In one AB he’s driven in a run with an RBI fielder’s choice.

    I love this kid.

  128. S.A.--Serenity Now July 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    So on that last pitch to Napoli, Youuse hit 97? Oh my.
    :shock:

  129. Betsy July 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Pete, I apologize – sorry for overdramatizing. However, I don’t agree with your somewhat negative take. I see no reason to question the quality of the team. Which teams have better records than the Yankees? The Dodgers and Sox – that’s all. The Tigers don’t. The Angels don’t. The Phillies don’t. That’s what matters, IMO

  130. bru July 12th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

    Patrick the Prospect Hugger

    if they win 6 in a row after the asb & are tied for first you will think they are a playoff team again just like you did when we tied boston for first.

    3 games can be erased in 3 days.

  131. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    “”Clutch hitting” would have been Swisher’s probable go ahead double had he not been robbed. ”

    Waaahhh Waaahhh “robbed” ? Get a grip, the pitcher made a great play. That’s what happens in baseball. It never should have come to that at-bat. If Tex and A-rod execute and get runs in it wouldn’t matter. All we needed were two fly balls and it’s a Yankee win.

    It’s very frustrating to watch your team have huuuge opportunities to win 3 games and all 3 games go down the toilet.

  132. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    I still say Tex and CC are having monster second halves.

    IMO come 8 years from now Tex wil become one of the most beloved Yanks of the decade.

    But that’s looking WAY ahead. ;-)

  133. CB July 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    “Is this a playoff team? Before this series I thought so. Right now? Not so sure..”

    Patrick,

    Look at this statement objectively.

    If another poster had made this statement what would your reaction have been?

    You have a lot of posts reacting to statements like this.

    Last start CC was an unquestioned ace and people who disagreed with that didn’t know baseball in your estimation.

    Today according to you it’s all wrong – CC isn’t an ace and this team needs to be completely reconsidered after one series.

    One series does not change the state of a team – only fans perspectives of it.

  134. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

    It’s all good. Mistakes can happen on the faceless internet. haha

    Seriously, though, I wish we had a better login system here, with avatars, and uncopyable logins and stuff. That’d make sure things like that never happened. It’d also make banning trolls much easier. But it’s Pete’s blog, and he can do whatever he wants.

  135. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    go get someone that will give them a chance to win, instead of playing catch all the time or blowing 4-5 run leads

  136. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    Pat M….Section 211
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
    CB, Moving Hughes to the rotation and being effective will take a month…So you still have a hole in the rotation and now there is no bridge at all to Rivera…..I think it’s too late for that move, as the season’s clock is ticking away….Whatever help comes it’s going to be via a trade….It’s a fluke that Joba got drilled that day, and Wang was called back to the Bronx…..The rotation would be different, but so would the back end of the pen….Hughes to Mo has been the final touches to the Yanks run the past month and a half…..Yanks are in a tough spot…Stick with Joba and hope he’s comes around…Hands are tied

    ————————————————————

    PAT M, what’s your feelings about going after Doug Davis? I think he may be better and possibly cheaper than making a run after Washburn and better than Bannister.

  137. pat July 12th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    “To a man — and manager — the Yankees said that getting swept by the Angels was no big deal and that they still had a good first half.”

    Alex’s quote doesn’t sound like he’s saying it’s “no big deal”. Sounds to me like he said they need to play better against the better teams. “Good, but not good enough” which is what Pete said.

    But….Player and managers aren’t going to make a “woe is us” comment so reading between the lines in what he said is as close as you’re going to get from someone in uniform.

  138. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    Patrick-Robbed is a term used when the other team makes a great play.

    But that they didn’t score in that situation is not the Yankees’ fault. Swisher would have come through in the clutch if not for more clutch defense.

  139. Laura - And the Oscar goes to....Optimus Prime!! July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    “I disagree about Johnny Damon Pete. He’s having a fine season.”

    He WAS having a fine season. Here lately, he seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall. Don’t anyone tell Erica I said that. :P

  140. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    this will be the year of the streaks

  141. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

    Laura-Eh. Slump. Happens.

  142. Laura - And the Oscar goes to....Optimus Prime!! July 12th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    “Laura-Eh. Slump. Happens.”

    That would explain his offensive woes. What excuse does he have for his fielding?

  143. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    “He WAS having a fine season. Here lately, he seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall.”

    I don’t care what anyone says, his eyes are bothering him. He is NOT seeing the ball as well, both at the plate and in the field. Add that in to his banged up lower body, and you’ve got a recipe for brick wall-age.

  144. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 12th, 2009 at 8:48 pm

    bru,

    The reason I am calling into question this team’s future is the recent collapse of their starting pitching.

    Wang is out for at least a month, possible longer. Joba has gotten worse as the season has progressed rather than better. Hughes is stuck in the bullpen for whatever reason. Pettitte is getting old and is incredibly inconsistent.

    Really the only two guys we can count on right now are Burnett and Sabathia. Sabathia isn’t having the best of years and Burnett is as inconsistent over his career as anyone.

    I just don’t trust the pitching staff right now. I would be a lot more comfortable right now if Hughes was starting games but I know that’s not going to happen.

    I’m starting to revise my opinion on acquiring Halladay. Get him and the rotation is locked down for the next ~4 years. I’m still a prospect hugger and I still don’t want to give up on our guys but it might be necessary…

    We can’t count on Pettitte to find the fountain of youth or for Joba to get his head screwed on straight. We certainly can’t count on Wang to come back healthy and effective.

    So let’s see. Would you give up Chamberlain, Jackson, Romine and a few B prospects for Halladay? I’m starting to lean towards yes on this one…

  145. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    Laura-Fielding, well, that’s a different matter. He’s made some weird plays lately.

    But my guess is aberration more than norm. The team can survive if his fielding remains as it is now, which is passable but with mistakes.

  146. CB July 12th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    “Moving Hughes to the rotation and being effective will take a month…So you still have a hole in the rotation and now there is no bridge at all to Rivera…..I think it’s too late for that move, as the season’s clock is ticking away…”

    True. It might be. That’s why while I completely understood moving Hughes to the pen I also tried to point out the risks.

    Move hughes to the pen and they literally had no 6th starter.

    That roll of the dice isn’t turning out to be working out.

    I don’t know. It’s a very tough spot. Once again I don’t think there’s one things or another that definitively have to be done.

    It’s bad trade offs on either side.

    In my gut I do think the teams best chance to make the playoffs with hughes in the rotation.

    To get him into the rotation at this point though you’d really have to bite the bullet to stretch him out right.

    They need Joba and Pettite to turn it around.

    Let’s hope KC continues on with their current direction of personnel moves.

  147. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Laura – And the Oscar goes to….Optimus Prime!!
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    “I disagree about Johnny Damon Pete. He’s having a fine season.”

    He WAS having a fine season. Here lately, he seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall. Don’t anyone tell Erica I said that.

    ————————————————————

    It’s too late to worry about that, now, Laura. You typed JOHNNY DAMON and that just set off Erica’s computer alarm.

  148. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:50 pm

    Donnie-Eye trouble is possible.

    Hopefully he gets that sorted out.

  149. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    They aren’t going to trade for Halladay. In fact, I doubt Halladay gets traded at all before the deadline.

    It would be wise to start handpicking prospects to go to Toronto because it’s not happening.

  150. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    “Different Donnie or a troll. I actually think most of the girls around here (especially Rebecca, Trisha, and Erica) know a lot more than a lot of the guys who post here (or anywhere, for that matter).”

    Heh. No comment.

    CB:

    I would like to agree with you. I would like to see Hughes in the rotation (though I’d keep Aceves in the pen and try to find some combination that makes the set up innings work).

    This is my problem, and perhaps I don’t know enough about strength and conditioning here, but here goes:

    At most right now, Hughes can throw two innings–maybe 30 pitches? He’s been so efficient in his stints out of the pen it’s hard to imagine him throwing more than that.

    Thus, it’s not as simple as taking a week or two to stretch him out a la Joba.

    If we remember last year–

    I was in Italy when the Yankees announced Joba would start the transition to becoming a starter, so that pegs that at the end of May.

    Joba made his first start, I think, June 3rd.

    Chien Ming Wang got hurt on June 15th, and at the time Joba was up to somewhere between 65-80 pitches I think.

    So that’s about three weeks just to get him up to the point where he could go five or six innings.

    Now, I know Hughes isn’t Joba, but if the Yankees were to follow a similar path, you’re looking at the end of August, really for when Hughes can really be a full-fledged starter, with the proper arm strength.

    And, of course, there’s the other dimension that some think Joba’s shoulder injury was in the making when they transitioned him as they did.

    I have no idea if this is true or not, but if the Yanks think it is, they won’t touch Hughes.

    Right now, taking a month to turn Hughes into a starter–with the pressure that puts on Hughes and also the bullpen that has to cover the rest of his starts in the beginning–that’s time the Yankees don’t really have.

    Not in the second half of the season, in the middle of a pennant race.

  151. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    CC,AJ & Doc for the next 4 years,put me down for that

  152. Laura - And the Oscar goes to....Optimus Prime!! July 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    “It’s too late to worry about that, now, Laura. You typed JOHNNY DAMON and that just set off Erica’s computer alarm.”

    Uh oh. I better leave before she comes looking for me. There’s nothing more dangerous than a woman upset about something talking trash about her pretend boyfriend. LOL!

  153. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    and Tex was never coming here either

  154. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    Manny Banuelos is warming in the pen. Hope for a hit or the runner gets on.

  155. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    I like Hughes in the pen for this year personally. But that’s just me.

    We have no gurantee he’d be better than Joba anyway.

    I think that if Aceves is kept in the rotation he will do fine and I think Melancon has the talent to sort out his issues.

    If both things occur we’ll be fine until Wang returns.

  156. CB July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    “They aren’t going to trade for Halladay. In fact, I doubt Halladay gets traded at all before the deadline.”

    I agree. A deal that complicated isn’t easy to pull off in two and a half weeks.

    JP needs to unload as much money as he possibly can and that’s not going to be easy.

    He can wait until winter. The free agent pitching isn’t particularly good, especially given Lackeye’s arm problems this year.

  157. bru July 12th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    Patrick the Prospect Hugger

    we had the same problems earlier in the year.
    bad pitching,bullpen.

    this team is to good to get beat by most.

    the only teams that scare me are the

    angels
    sox
    dodgers
    rays

    phillies don’t have the pitching.

    if we can get halladay or a number 3 pitcher we are fine.

  158. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

    IMO We don’t get Halladay. But I’ve learned long ago w/the Yanks that anything can happen.

  159. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Laura – And the Oscar goes to….Optimus Prime!!
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    “It’s too late to worry about that, now, Laura. You typed JOHNNY DAMON and that just set off Erica’s computer alarm.”

    Uh oh. I better leave before she comes looking for me. There’s nothing more dangerous than a woman upset about something talking trash about her pretend boyfriend. LOL!

    ————————————————————

    I suggest leaving the country. I don’t think she has a passport.

  160. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    CB,

    Let me try to explain where I’m coming from. From your perspective my opinions come off as uneven, I understand that.

    Last start I was adamant that CC is an ace, you’re right. Then I looked at some of his peripherals. They aren’t very good this year. Over the past two years CC HAS BEEN AN ACE. That much is certain.

    This year, I don’t see how you can call him an ace. Will he be in the second half? I expect him to be. But so far? Not an ace.

    Yes my opinion has changed after only 3 games. Sounds silly but this 3 game sample has really shown what the Yankees problem is this year. Pitching. Crazy right? We all thought it would be a strength this year.

    Unfortunately you just can’t trust Joba or Pettitte this year and who knows what you get out of the fifth starter (probably Mitre). We’ve also seen how weak the middle relief is and what happens when you lose Aceves.

    I think the team will make the playoffs. BUT as they are right now I don’t see them doing anything special once they get there.

    Basically we have to hope Joba gets better, Wang comes back healthy and Pettitte remembers how to pitch.

    I think Hughes would be a solution but it’s too risky now to move him back to the rotation. I think that situation was mismanaged.

  161. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    bru-Rays don’t scare me.

  162. CB July 12th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

    rebecca,

    Those are all good points. It might be too late to stretch him out or at least to do so in a feasible fashion.

    It’s just a shame having him wasted out there throwing one inning at a time when he’s clearly one of their 5 best starters.

    I don’t know. It’s hard to say what the right thing here is.

  163. Betsy July 12th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    I don’t see how 3 games can possibly make anyone think this team isn’t a playoff team. Did you think that after they swept the Twins? Sure they lost – but again, how many times did they come back against the Angels? CC won’t always pitch like he did today…..

    I don’t know what to do about Phil. If he remains in the pen, he must be used like Mo in 1996. Right now, he’s being completely wasted in one inning stints. On nights there is a blow out either way or the Yankees are losing, Phil can’t pitch. The Yankees have got to think about next year while they are worrying about this year. As to this year, Phil is the 2nd best arm in the pen – he needs to pitch more than 3 or 4 innings a week. For next year, at this rate, he’s going to end up with 85-95 innings. That’s a ridiculously low number and unworkable next year as a 5th starter.

  164. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    Aceves & Hughes now need to stay in the pen, a vet inning eater is the way to go. get a utility player not named Cody

  165. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    CB:

    ““They aren’t going to trade for Halladay. In fact, I doubt Halladay gets traded at all before the deadline.”

    I agree. A deal that complicated isn’t easy to pull off in two and a half weeks.

    JP needs to unload as much money as he possibly can and that’s not going to be easy.

    He can wait until winter. The free agent pitching isn’t particularly good, especially given Lackeye’s arm problems this year.”

    Hmm. I dunno.

    I think if Ricciardi is putting his ACE on the block like that, he has to move him.

    Granted I’m not as familiar with the business as some of you, but that’s an awfully big move to take when you’re already kind of on the hot seat…

    I’ve seen a lot of Jays talk that last and this year were really supposed to be make-or-break years for his teams.

    His organization has huge issues with the development of their pitchers–great at spotting them, horrible at keeping them healthy. Even Doc’s been on the DL, what, once a season?

    But I digress.

    At any rate, if Ricciardi says this and then doesn’t move Halladay, it doesn’t look that well on him. I’m guessing he’d like to be able to move the Wells’ money as well, but I can’t see any team accepting that contract, ayayay what an albatross.

    Of course, it’s entirely possible that Halladay’s traded in the offseason and not before the deadline, in which case my entire post here is moot.

  166. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    “Different Donnie or a troll. I actually think most of the girls around here (especially Rebecca, Trisha, and Erica) know a lot more than a lot of the guys who post here (or anywhere, for that matter).”

    Heh. No comment.”

    No comment why? It’s true.

  167. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    I think CC will become an Ace, and that’ll help a lot. A.J. will remain about how good he is right now, 3.8 ERA.

    Joba has to improve. We’ll see.

    I think Joba is far too talented not to improve but on the other hand we’ve seen greater talents bomb, so no gurantees.

    Pettite will be a serviceable starter, expect an ERA of 4.3.I can accept that.

    I expect an ERA of four from Ace, and hopefully Wang eventually.

    This team is far too talented, we’ll be fine.

  168. Pepitone July 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pm

    Peter Abraham
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
    So now what the players say doesn’t matter. Of course had A-Rod said the opposite, you’d herald him as a great oracle.
    What does this team need to do in the second half? Beat good teams, that’s what. They also need a No. 5 starter and maybe some sense of what to do in the outfield as Johnny Damon is breaking down.
    This year is this year. What happened in 2008 doesn’t matter. The Yankees are chasing Boston and being chased by Tampa Bay. They are 4-12 against those teams. If they don’t play better than that against those teams, they can pack up their pies and go home.
    But of course you’re right and the players are wrong along with the people who are around the team every day. “My story” is what happens, period. I write what happens. This is what’s happening.
    …………………………………

    Pete -

    You made two mistakes:

    1) Responding with a reasonable argument to the biggest blowhard on this blog, Guiseppe Franco (He is the All-Knowing Grand PooBah of Baseball Knowledge).

    2) Presenting a reasonable scenario for the Yankee future if things don’t change.

    Some people on this blog think the Yankees have the playoffs sewn up, others think the Yankees will not make the playoffs.

    Both are wrong! No one knows what the second half will show for this team. But, your analysis that the situation cannot continue if the Yankees want to be successful was correct.

  169. Carl July 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    Patrick the Prospect Hugger

    Since the Joe Torre era starter, the Angels are one of the few teams with a winning Record against us. We had some good pitching on those teams.

  170. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    CB,

    I agree, I doubt Halladay gets traded.

    I was also one of those saying that Hughes should stay in the rotation or be moved down to AAA back in late May/early June.

    Ideally the Yankees would have shown some restraint and kept Wang in the minors for a few more weeks while Hughes continued to start. At that point they could have moved Hughes to AAA.

    With the injury risks on this staff I’d rather have solid starting pitching depth in the minors and roll the dice with the bullpen. That’s just me.

    Right now what’s more valuable: a set-up man or a #3 starting pitcher? I’m going with the starting pitcher.

    Hughes proved before he was sent to the pen that he can be an effective starter.

    I really think the Yankees mismanaged the Wang injury and Hughes. Unless Joba and Pettitte step it up this mistake could really come back to bite us.

  171. bru July 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

    we can’t waste games waiting for melancon to get it together.

    go with what works.hughes,ace,mo.

    ace in the rotation means using the other arms in situations that do not maximize rheir talent.

    ace in the 6th & 7th,hughes the 8th,mo the 9th is what has been working.

    every time we deviate we struggle.

  172. Carl July 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN

    Joba was 90-91 all last night on the stadium gun. I say package him for Halladay.

  173. lil' m July 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    Pete makes a good point. Spotting their principal competition an 0-8 head start in the AL pennant race makes the Yankees road even more difficult.

    Rebecca: Your posts have always been really good, but you’ve taken it to another level of late (sorry for the cliché). What you wrote at 7:53 was excellent – well-reasoned, articulate, and balanced. I really enjoyed reading it.

  174. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    I am not sold on the idea that Phil is better than Joba. As we’ve seen, bullpen and starting are vastly different.

  175. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

    CB: “rebecca,

    Those are all good points. It might be too late to stretch him out or at least to do so in a feasible fashion.

    It’s just a shame having him wasted out there throwing one inning at a time when he’s clearly one of their 5 best starters.

    I don’t know. It’s hard to say what the right thing here is.”

    I completely agree.

    The worst thing the Yankees did was panic and activate Chien Ming Wang off the DL without thinking it through.

    Hughes did have the rough outing in Baltimore, but he had been getting better–shined in Texas–he was just okay in his last Cleveland start, but certainly better than what Joba’s been doing.

    He was really, really putting it together nicely, and he was staying healthy, too.

    I don’t think it’s any coincidence that when Chien Ming Wang came back the team faltered and lost the momentum they had during the 9 game win streak and immediately after.

  176. sunny615 July 12th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    This team is heartbreaking

  177. raymagnetic July 12th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    “I think the first half has been a pretty accurate reflection of the team’s talent: above average, but a cut below the elite. We’ll see if that changes in the second half.”

    And yet they have the second best record in the AL. So who exactly are the ‘elite’ you are referring to?

  178. Tom in N.J. July 12th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Yankees have a 61% chance at making the playoffs.

    http://www.baseballprospectus......s_odds.php

  179. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    ““Different Donnie or a troll. I actually think most of the girls around here (especially Rebecca, Trisha, and Erica) know a lot more than a lot of the guys who post here (or anywhere, for that matter).”

    Heh. No comment.”

    No comment why? It’s true.”

    Cos I don’t want to alienate myself in front of all the men ;).

  180. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

    Once Pena gets more than a handful of games in the outfield He has one game), he’ll be back, but, having Ransom playing once a week ot Tomko pitching in one or two games a week isn’t costing the Yankees games.

  181. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    GB, I know that Arizona is dying to move him……I’m not crazy about him……As bad as losing Wang was, losing Ian Kennedy looms large right now….Cashman needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat and get a reliable 7 inning guy….He’s always manage to be fairly successful in deadline trades so we’ll see……Hate to dump so much on a 24 yearold, but Joba’s right arm means more now than ecer before……His last 2 very omportant trips to the hill were his worst ever….Bounce back time Joba….Your team really does need you…..

  182. vince July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Pete THANK YOU,for your honesty.

    The Yankees had better fix this ship.The second half doesn’t allow for cap tippin or,it’s only a game fanhood.I’ve never been more concerned as I am now,they have holes,the bats go silent at the same time.When even your,(cough),Ace gives up 3 or more runs an outing,with no bats backing him up,you lose lots of games.

    Tell it like it is PETE!!

  183. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    Carl-I still consider him and Hughesie equal prospects.

    Anyway, you don’t think they’ll try? They’ll make a list of all unproven prospects and say “anybody but Montero’.

    Not that simple.

    His fastbal has been weirdly inconsistent, which is very odd. I think he needs to work his lower body more as some have suggested.

  184. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    “Rebecca: Your posts have always been really good, but you’ve taken it to another level of late (sorry for the cliché). What you wrote at 7:53 was excellent – well-reasoned, articulate, and balanced. I really enjoyed reading it.”

    Not doing grad work has its benefits =P More time to discuss = more learned = better posts!

    But thank you :) I appreciate it!

  185. CB July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    “At any rate, if Ricciardi says this and then doesn’t move Halladay, it doesn’t look that well on him.”

    rebecca,

    He hasn’t said anything definitive whatsoever though. Nothing at all.

    All he’s said is the usual GM speak of well we could listen and if we’re really blown away then maybe we might do something, etc., etc.

    He has nowhere publicly stated any definitive intention to trade him. He hasn’t even said that he’s looking to trade him. He’s vaguely said he would listen.

    And GM’s do that to make sure they don’t make any kinds of commitments publicly.

    He’s doesn’t need to make a trade to save face in any way based on intentions he’s expressed.

    The marginal amount of money they would save on Halladay’s salary the second half pales in comparison to what he could save if he can package wells or rios with roy.

  186. Trevor July 12th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    The 5-15 against division leaders is a bit misleading because of their 0-8 record against the RS.
    They never beat the Angels even under Torre they didn’t. They own the Yankees like the Yankees own the Twins.
    They took 2 of 3 from the Tigers already. And the Phillies are in NL. but it’s not like they outclassed the Yankees when both these teams played. Yankees could have easily taken 2 of 3 in that series. Some poor managing late in that rubber game for Girardi.

  187. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    “I think CC will become an Ace, and that’ll help a lot. A.J. will remain about how good he is right now, 3.8 ERA.

    Joba has to improve. We’ll see.

    I think Joba is far too talented not to improve but on the other hand we’ve seen greater talents bomb, so no gurantees.”

    You’re exactly right. People fail to realize that this is pretty much what CC gave Cleveland up to this point last year, and then was untouchable in the second half. I think he’s going to do the same here. He didn’t have his best stuff today, and was good, except for the one inning. He said in postgame that he made too many little mistakes and left too many pitches up, and they were waiting on it. He’s exactly right. He’ll get in a groove second half and won’t MAKE those mistakes.

    Joba…yeah. I want so badly for him to improve, because I do NOT want him to play elsewhere. I have been confident that, since he came up, he’d be one of the lifers for this team, no matter what his role. I believe he still can be. But if he throws a clunker a week from today, and it comes to be that Toronto would want him and two or three prospects for Halladay…I’m worried that Cashman, in fear for his job, will pull the trigger on it. I want him to become one of the greats here. He can do it. But like I said Friday night, he has to USE his stuff, not just have it.

  188. CB July 12th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    rebecca,

    He hasn’t said anything definitive whatsoever though. Nothing at all.

    All he’s said is the usual GM speak of well we could listen and if we’re really blown away then maybe we might do something, etc., etc.

    He has nowhere publicly stated any definitive intention to trade him. He hasn’t even said that he’s looking to trade him. He’s vaguely said he would listen.

    And GM’s do that to make sure they don’t make any kinds of commitments publicly.

    He’s doesn’t need to make a trade to save face in any way based on intentions he’s expressed.

    The marginal amount of money they would save on Halladay’s salary the second half pales in comparison to what he could save if he can package wells or rios with roy.

  189. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    joeman July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    and Tex was never coming here either

    —————

    In case you didn’t notice – there’s a very big difference between trades and free agents.

    Cashman does not like to trade his big prospects.

    He didn’t for Santana. He didn’t for Teixeira in 2007. He also didn’t last season when Sabathia was on the block.

    Free agents is one thing. But huge deadline deals is something completely different.

  190. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 12th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    True GB7 but those two guys certainly aren’t helping them win any games.

    If I’m Cashman I’d make the following moves after the break:

    Call up Mitre and make him the fifth starter. He’s stretched out and when healthy he can be serviceable. We need Ace back in the pen. DFA Tomko as the corresponding move

    Trade for a pitcher. I don’t care if it’s a starter or a reliever, we need pitching help.

    Fire Cody Ransom into space, he is crap. Ramiro Pena please

    I’m still torn on the Hughes thing. He’s clearly best utilized as a starter but it could be too risky to move him back to the rotation. It would take weeks to stretch him out and could hurt his arm. I seriously don’t know what the Yankees should do here.

  191. raymagnetic July 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    “These are human beings, they need confidence. They can’t go into the playoffs knowing they played .250 ball against the other contenders. ”

    The 2006 Tigers say HI

  192. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    my point was I’ll never say never when the Yankees are involved or have a chance to get a player

  193. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Donnie-You are right about Joba. He was one of my favorite players (and will be again if he starts getting back to the old Joba).

    But if I’m Cashman and Toronto says they need Joba in a deal, you do it in a heartbeat. Proven vs. unproven. Halladay is a probable HOF’er, Joba is a kid with a lot of raw talent that has not yet come to fruition. You pull the trigger if you’re Cashman.

  194. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    “The 5-15 against division leaders is a bit misleading because of their 0-8 record against the RS.”

    You mean to say Pete is now using facts to mislead his readership?

  195. CB July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    rebecca,

    JP hasn’t said anything definitive whatsoever though. Nothing at all.

    All he’s said is the usual GM speak of well we would listen and if we’re really blown away then maybe we might do something, etc., etc.

    He has nowhere publicly stated any definitive intention to trade him. He hasn’t even said that he’s looking to trade him. He’s vaguely said he would listen.

    And GM’s do that to make sure they don’t make any kinds of commitments publicly.

    He’s doesn’t need to make a trade to save face in any way based on intentions he’s expressed.

    The marginal amount of money they would save on Halladay’s salary the second half pales in comparison to what he could save if he can package wells or rios with roy.

  196. raymagnetic July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    “That is too funny. They’re 3 games behind a team they haven’t proven they can beat but it’s no big deal. Of course not. Not a big deal at all.”

    It really isn’t a big deal no matter how much of a big deal you make it out to be.

    They’re 3 games out with nearly half a season of games to go.

  197. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    FWIW, for the most part Cashman’s greatest successes have been through trades and worst failures through free agent signings.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but his MO seems to be lower profile trades during the season and higher profile acquisitions in the off season.

    If he makes a move now, I’d be looking at a four or a five guy; not Halladay or some other big name.

  198. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    Two ways to look at it, the proverbial half full and half empty:

    3 games out DESPITE not being able to beat Boston or 3 games out and UNABLE to beat Boston.

    If we make the playoffs, I’ll put even money on any team.

  199. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    my point was I’ll never say never when the Yankees are involved or have a chance to get a player

    ————-

    Your point would be more valid if this was the offseason and they were looking at big name free agents.

    It’s a different story when Cashman has to pay big money in prospects and not dead Presidents.

  200. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    “if I’m Cashman and Toronto says they need Joba in a deal, you do it in a heartbeat. Proven vs. unproven. Halladay is a probable HOF’er, Joba is a kid with a lot of raw talent that has not yet come to fruition. You pull the trigger if you’re Cashman.”

    Nailed it. I just don’t WANT it to be true.

  201. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    It depends. Halladay is the type of guy I could see Cashman pulling the trigger on. He’s that good.

    He could of course also say “not worth it” and back out.

    But we certainly have every chance to get him if he wants to. But does he want to?

  202. Bryan July 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Pathetic absolute pathetic

    Facing an Angels team without their two best players and best reliever and the Yankees not only get swept but give up 29 runs in the process

    God awful performance

    With the way they Yankees play against good teams it is looking more and more like a one and down year once again

  203. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    just for ha’s how many 2-1,3-2 games have the Keys won this year

  204. Pepitone July 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Everybody is talking about something none of us know, what will happen in the second half.

    Pete’s comments were reasonable and accurate, if the Yankees don’t play better baseball against the top teams in the division, and the league, then they are going to have a tough time making the playoffs, much less succeeding in them.

    Why some people get so worked up over another poster’s opinion about something none of us know for sure is childish. It’s all speculation, enjoy it, but don’t get all out of whack when someone has a different opinion. Pete could very well be correct, we shall see.

    Heck, for all we know the Yankees could end up in third place again, or they could win the World Series.

    I hope all of us would agree that games like we saw this weekend are unacceptable for a team that has visions of a World Series title.

  205. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Pat M….Section 211
    July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
    GB, I know that Arizona is dying to move him……I’m not crazy about him……As bad as losing Wang was, losing Ian Kennedy looms large right now….Cashman needs to pull a rabbit out of his hat and get a reliable 7 inning guy….He’s always manage to be fairly successful in deadline trades so we’ll see……Hate to dump so much on a 24 yearold, but Joba’s right arm means more now than ecer before……His last 2 very omportant trips to the hill were his worst ever….Bounce back time Joba….Your team really does need you…..

    ————————————————————

    Thanks for the response, PAT. I wouldn’t object to Washburn, but not at 11 mil and the talent that Seattle would want…especially if they think they have a chance (only 4 games in back of LA and 2.5 back of Texas). I think that eventually Kennedy could be a Davis, Bannister type pitcher, maybe more, but, I don’t see him back this year. I do wonder how long he might have been hiding this problem, though.

    Depending on the cost, like most, I’d love to see Halladay in pinstripes, but, money and talent costs have a limit. Maybe if the Cubs fall further off the pace, getting Lilly in a deal could fix the back end or even middle of the rotation.

  206. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Donnie-You are right about Joba. He was one of my favorite players (and will be again if he starts getting back to the old Joba).

    ————–

    That’s what we call a bandwagon fan!!!! Congrats!!!!

    Stick with your guy no matter if he struggles or not. They all struggle at some point.

  207. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    “The 2006 Tigers say HI”

    Tigers were 21-18 against division winners in ’06. 2-5 vs. the Yankees but quite good against the rest.

  208. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    Donnie-Haha thanks.

    Hear that Rebecca? You’re not the only one making smart posts today.

  209. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    “Two ways to look at it, the proverbial half full and half empty:

    3 games out DESPITE not being able to beat Boston or 3 games out and UNABLE to beat Boston.

    If we make the playoffs, I’ll put even money on any team.”

    0-8 against Boston and only three out after being swept by the Angels while Boston had the Royals in town says a lot more about the Sox than the Yanks.

    For all the Yanks struggles, Boston’s blown a 9-1 game to the Orioles and nearly blew a 9-0 game to the Royals.

    The biggest leads the Yankees blew–four runs (as far as I remember, correct me if I’m wrong)– came against the Angels, who are a legitimate contending team.

  210. raymagnetic July 12th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    “If that is your prediction, then you are a fool. CC isn’t in Milwaukee anymore. This is what he is. A guy with an ERA around 4 who will give you a lot of innings, but can’t compete with elite pitchers. And he’s a guy who can’t finish off hitters anymore.”

    The Cy Young award and the 2 Warren Spahn awards (for being the best left handed pitcher in baseball) on his mantle say hello.

  211. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    “Donnie-Haha thanks.

    Hear that Rebecca? You’re not the only one making smart posts today.”

    =P

  212. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:15 pm

    the year of the streaks

  213. Donnie - Will Meet THE ENTIRE STATE OF CALIFORNIA Under the O'Neill Banner July 12th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Oh, people keep pointing to Cashman not trading for Santana as precedence for him not going after Halladay.

    Keep this in mind: Santana is a fly ball pitcher, who has not, in his career, pitched lights out against our division. In fact, he’s been pretty middling against the AL East, as I recall. If we’d signed him, he’d have given up Yankee Stadium Special after Yankee Stadium Special. Pitching in Yankee Stadium was not a good move for his career.

    Conversely, Halladay has owned this division (and this league) for as long as I can remember. A few years older or not, this is not the same thing.

  214. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    Franco-Stop accusing me of all these things. I “obsess” about Joba’s velocity, I believe you said that I was “attacking” him and “not giving the kid a chance” and now I’m a “bandwagon fan?”

    I think Joba will one day be a great starting pitcher, but until he comes to that point he will not be one of my favorite players.

    He was my favorite player BECAUSE of how great he did. I have no gurantee he’ll be great. Saying he is no longer my absolute favorite is not giving up on him, it’s being realistic.

  215. Tom in N.J. July 12th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    How’s Ben Sheets’ rehab coming along?

  216. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Rebecca-Six to Boston, worst loss of the year.

  217. raymagnetic July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    “Yep. People have expected wayyy too much out of CC, like he was supposed to be Milwaukee CC.

    The guy is like Wang. A starter who will give you a lot of innings and keep you in most games. He is not a stopper like Beckett, Santana, Halladay etc.”

    Wow, you are really dumb.

  218. pat July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    “Stick with your guy no matter if he struggles or not. They all struggle at some point.”

    Giuseppe

    Do you think you’ve mistakenly stumbled onto a Cardinals blog? :wink:

    Bandwagon fans is a good amount of what the current fan base is built on. The empty seats in the 1996 season compared to 4 million sold in 2004 tells that story.

    Yankees might have more fans of rings than of baseball than they have ever had.

  219. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    July 12th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
    How’s Ben Sheets’ rehab coming along?

    ————————————————————

    Tom, most reports say that Sheets won’t be pitching this year. A few reports say he will maybe and Sheets says he will. Take your pick.

  220. rk July 12th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

    The Yanks are in good shape at the break considering the early injuries. It would be nice if we could beat Boston or LA. But we didn’t so we need to move on. The last 5-10 games against Boston will be much more important than the first eight because they will be more representative of the teams that could meet in the playoffs.

    Cash will make a deal that will address the teams major needs (probably pitching or an big bat in the OF) around the trade deadline – he always does. Hopefully the trade will improve the team and we will march on to win the division title. The playoffs are always a crap shoot there will be eight pretty good teams with about an equal chance of winning. If you have an absolutely dominant team you stil only hace a 25-30% chance of winning it all. Thats what make the 96, 98-00 teams so special. They were good enough to beat the odds and win 4-5.

  221. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:20 pm

    pat-So you agree that I of all people, am a bandwagon fan??

    Neither have you have any right to judge me.

  222. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    CC,AJ & Doc…bring on the Sox,Angels & anyone else in a short series

  223. Mike D July 12th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

    We should have won game 2 in Cleveland

    And Wang killed us in games 1 and 4.

    We blew that series. Atleast the Tigers outplayed us.

  224. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    Laura – And the Oscar goes to….Optimus Prime!!
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    “I disagree about Johnny Damon Pete. He’s having a fine season.”

    He WAS having a fine season. Here lately, he seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall. Don’t anyone tell Erica I said that
    *****
    I caught you Laura!!!!!!! Hahaha

    I really believe that Johnny is much more hurt than any of us know. I find it completely impossible that a former all-star can deteriorate before our very eyes with no rational explanation. Something is wrong with him.

    I am glad the 200 times I voted for him for the ASG failed and he will have these 4 days off. He needs them

  225. Zed July 12th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

    CC is not an ace this year. Look at his peripherals. He’s been league average. They are 45 starters in baseball with a lower ERA than him.

  226. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    He was my favorite player BECAUSE of how great he did. I have no gurantee he’ll be great. Saying he is no longer my absolute favorite is not giving up on him, it’s being realistic.

    ————–

    It’s very easy to root hard for someone when he’s playing well.

    But normal people don’t switch alliances at the drop of a hat when their guy struggles.

    Most people pick a favorite player for more reasons than their sheer numbers whether it’s their personality, character, or whatever.

    Those of us who loved Donnie Baseball growing up didn’t throw the guy in the trash when his chronic back problems really hampered him the second half of his career.

  227. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 9:23 pm

    Btw-

    I missed posting during games all weekend because I was at the beach and look how they collapse without me. Atrocious!

    And Donnie-

    Thanks for the compliment :-)

  228. Banks July 12th, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    Where do we put Bannister or whoever we acquire after Wang comes back?

    Do we move Wang back to the pen? Do we put Joba back in the pen?

    If you acquire a legit starter, he is in the rotation the entire year. That means one of the current starters (Andy, Joba, Wang) is out.

  229. Betsy July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Maybe the Angels would be in better position if they had a better record against other teams besides the Yankees. Sure, they are in first in their division, but they are still trailing the Yanks for the wild card. Think a few extra wins against some other teams might have come in handy for them? I love how people conveniently forget that over the course of the long first half, the Yanks have the 3rd best record in baseball. They are doing more things right overall than all but two other teams. That’s what counts.

  230. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    “Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Rebecca-Six to Boston, worst loss of the year.”

    Yeah, uh, selective memory.

    Tom: Sheets is unlikely to pitch this year. Trust me, it’ been thought about.

  231. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    GreenBeret7
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
    Laura – And the Oscar goes to….Optimus Prime!!
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
    “I disagree about Johnny Damon Pete. He’s having a fine season.”

    He WAS having a fine season. Here lately, he seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall. Don’t anyone tell Erica I said that.

    ————————————————————

    It’s too late to worry about that, now, Laura. You typed JOHNNY DAMON and that just set off Erica’s computer alarm.

    ****
    Hahaha. This is exactly correct. I am so excited to watch his segment on Yankees on Deck in a few

  232. Tom in N.J. July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    GB, thanks for the Sheets update. Well, cross him off the list. Guys like Davis or Bannister would be good back of the rotation (4/5) guys. What about a guy like Ian Snell? He seemed poised a few years ago to be an average-ish starter. Now he’s in AAA. He says he no longer wants to pitch for the Bucos because Pittsburgh makes him depressed.

  233. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Franco-So now I thre Joba in the trash?

    Guess what-he was my favorite player more or less for what he did in Boston vs. Beckett and the bullpen.

    IThe reason? My “favorite player” is the Yankees, and I have never and will never abandon them.

  234. Sean Serritella July 12th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    “If they get decent starting pitching – which they didn’t in this series – they’ll win their share of games.”

    I didn’t know this. Thanks.

  235. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:28 pm

    “Where do we put Bannister or whoever we acquire after Wang comes back?

    Do we move Wang back to the pen? Do we put Joba back in the pen?

    If you acquire a legit starter, he is in the rotation the entire year. That means one of the current starters (Andy, Joba, Wang) is out.”

    Wang might not start throwing for a month, so you put your new acquire there and then worry about Wang when the time comes.

    Honestly, I think what Wang needs is rest and an utter reboot. If he misses the rest of this season, or just comes back in September, it might be best.

    Sometimes, when something’s become an utter disaster you just need to step away for a while and start with a clean slate.

    Joba, should he ever throw enough innings to reach his cap, will likely hit the ‘pen when that occurs, but at this point it seems more likely he’d be sent down to AAA.

  236. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    GreenBeret7
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
    Laura – And the Oscar goes to….Optimus Prime!!
    July 12th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
    “It’s too late to worry about that, now, Laura. You typed JOHNNY DAMON and that just set off Erica’s computer alarm.”

    Uh oh. I better leave before she comes looking for me. There’s nothing more dangerous than a woman upset about something talking trash about her pretend boyfriend. LOL!

    ————————————————————

    I suggest leaving the country. I don’t think she has a passport.
    ****
    Okay, you guys completely cracked me up.

    Laura, another country should be safe for you. I suggest France. GB7 is right, I do not have a passport. LOL

    Just kidding. I believe MPB Johnny Damon will right himself when he is healthy and be so awesome that even the LoHud trolls will be drooling

  237. Al from BK July 12th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    After what Joba showed on Friday and Andy on Saturday, Mr. Ricciardi, what would you like for the Doc?

  238. pat July 12th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Wait

    I didn’t call you or anyone in particular a bandwagon fan. Just said the fanbase has moved in that direction. Just a general observation.

    I’m old enough to remember when the Mets were the “IT” team in NY because they were more succesful than the Yankees and a Thursday night game against the Red Sox drew 20,000 people in the stadium.

    The Yankees have lots of great fans of the team but how many would write them off if they had a 10 year playoff drought. I don’t mean winning in it, I mean playing in it.

  239. Bret the Hitman July 12th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    There are so many internal moves I disagree with or lack of moves that frustrate me this year.

    The 2 biggest and most obvious blunders are that Hughes is in the pen instead of the rotation and Joba is in the rotation instead of the pen.

    There are smaller ones too. I want Posada to DH more and Matsui in more of a pinch hitting role. I wanted Cervelli to stay up and continue catching these pitchers instead of Molina. I think Cervelli should’ve played more when he was up.

    I wanted Pena to stay up here instead of Ransom.

    If the solutions are internal, as Cashman has said, then make the right decisions and stop diminishing the value of the players on the roster. Stop waiting on people. Take action now. Make this a team that gets pushed rather than tinkered with. Be more aggressive and bold in giving younger players a chance and sitting the bigger name stars when they play like crap.

  240. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 9:26 pm

    Franco-So now I thre Joba in the trash?

    ———-

    Were you only a fan because of one game he pitched against Boston?

    You’ve said a few times already that Joba was one of your favorite players when he was great but he’s not right now.

    How is that not a bandwagon fan?

  241. Dave July 12th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    The Angels played 1\3rd of their season without Lackey, Escobar, Santana, and Vlad. Their rotation was in shambles to start the year and their 3rd starter Adenheart was killed (RIP) and their 4th starter Mosely was put on the DL. Scott Shields, their SU man, went on the DL and is out for the year.

    They have had more misfortune than any team in baseball. The fact that they are still in this race shows how much character that team has.

    If they were healthy all year, they would be 20 games over .500. Do people forget what their team looked like when they came to Yankee Stadium? Hell, look at the lineup today that scored 25 runs against us this series. They have not been healthy the entire year.

  242. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 9:33 pm

    Tom in N.J.
    July 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
    GB, thanks for the Sheets update. Well, cross him off the list. Guys like Davis or Bannister would be good back of the rotation (4/5) guys. What about a guy like Ian Snell? He seemed poised a few years ago to be an average-ish starter. Now he’s in AAA. He says he no longer wants to pitch for the Bucos because Pittsburgh makes him depressed.

    ————————————————————

    any time, Tom. Happy to help. Snell’s really fell on hard times and I believe he’s now in the minors. He seems to be pitching great after coming off of the DL on the 27th of June. Contract at 3. mil isn’t bad.

  243. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

    wouldn’t mind seeing Posada catch maybe twice a week & the other 5 days splitting DH/pinch hitting duties with Matsui..Cody needs to go and take his .170 BA & .230 OBP along with his so-so glove with him

  244. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    Bret:

    Cervelli and Peña are back in the minors because the organization sees them as prospects that can legitmately help the team down the road, and far more than they can help the team now.

    Thus, they really need to play every day.

    If Peña takes to CF as well–and thus can likely play the other two OF spots–he becomes a super super utility guy that can basically give you everything but pitcher and catcher.

    The team never expected that he’d hit; that he hit as well as he does, especially in “clutch” situation was an eye-opener and playing every day will give him a chance to work on the bat more.

    As for Cervelli, whether or not he can develop consistent power and not just bloop and beat out infield singles will determine if he can be a career starter or back up–and lets not forget that he missed most of last year, at a critical time of development, age wise.

    If the Yankees can turn Cervelli into a potential starter they have a wide array of options.

    They can hold onto Cervelli and trade Romine, they can trade Cervelli and fill a need at wherever may be and get an impressive haul back since catchers are premium, they can say heck with it and use Cervelli as a back up (at least until he’s a FA anyway), especially if say Montero makes it and they want someone else in late innings that’s better defensively…

    The organization’s gotta let the kids develop. They should be back in September.

  245. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    “He says he no longer wants to pitch for the Bucos because Pittsburgh makes him depressed”

    Kinda doubt Pittsburgh’s alive with the sound of music when Snell takes the mound for the Buccos.

  246. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    trust me Giuseppe Franco remembers everything

  247. Giuseppe Franco July 12th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    Actually, acquiring Bannister would allow them to take their time with Wang and allow him to come back when he’s ready to come back.

    They can’t rush him like they did earlier in the year and let him rot out in the pen for a couple of weeks.

    Kind of like what Boston did with Smoltz. Allow him to rehab at his own pace.

    There’s no guarantee Wang will be back anyways, so all of this talk about what they do with him when he comes back may be a moot point.

  248. Cando July 12th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    The Angels lost their top 3 starters, and their top 2 reserve starters (Mosely and Adenheart). They also lost Scott Shields for the year, Vlad for a month, and now lost Hunter/Vlad each probably for another month.

    That would be like us losing CC, AJ, Wang, and Hughes/Aceves or Hughes/Mitre. And then losing an effective Bruney for the year (we saw how our pen looked without him before Hughes moved there).

    I wouldn’t try and devalue the Angels at all…. You think we would even compete if we lost as much pitching as they did in addition to their best bat?

  249. Bret the Hitman July 12th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

    Dave,

    The Angels are definitely a team of great character rather than luck. Things seem to go their way and I don’t think it’s a coincidence on all the small plays that swing in their favor or at all in the grand scheme.

    Looking at their lineup they have lots of guys with high contact rates. The first 5-6 hitters in their lineup this series are hitting around .300. In contrast, we have 2 .300 hitters on our entire team.

    They don’t have the sexy OBP’s and OPS but they have the guys that cut you with tiny razor-thin cuts. They make contact and put the ball in play and do this at a high rate. With more contact comes greater opportunity and if a team believes in itself, it will stick with an approach and expect the hits to start falling in.

    The approach is an aggressive one. Play hard. Make contact. Run all over the basepaths.

  250. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

    Yankees looking for a SP & everyone knows it,if KC were to trade Bannister they are going to want a lot in return

  251. Harold July 12th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    If they acquire Bannister or someone, it gives you tremendous flexibility.

    If Joba doesn’t show signs of improvement in the coming weeks, you can send him to Scranton. If Wang is ineffective, you have insurance.

    We need another starter badly. Don’t worry about what we will do with him when we’re healthy.

  252. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    that Figging is a game changer & I would take him any day to play on my team no matter where he plays OF or Infield

  253. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    I indicated back in early May that Joba should be in the bullpen by Memorial Day and Hughes should stay in the rotation…..I was mauled here for such sacriledge….However with Wang’s disappearence it’s good that at least one of the two is lights out in the 8th….Problem is the bullpen cannot shorten the game to 6 innings…..All things considering, the Yanks have done a good job with the 51 wins…I mean they loss their # 2 starter who delivers a plus 10 in the w-l every season…Tough to overcome….

  254. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Dave, Cando and Bret:

    The closest comparison I can make with the Angels is actually the New Jersey Devils.

    Last season, for example, the Devils were so riddled with injuries that they had to call up rookies that should have spent the entire season at the AHL.

    They lost Martin Broduer–who to them is like if Sabathia, Burnett, A-Rod, Posada, Jeter and Mo were all one person–and went to a back up goalie that NO fan had any confidence in.

    And yet they still got themselves a third seed in the postseason.

    The weren’t the most entertaining team to watch, but they know how to win, and they’ve been in the playoffs every year since 1997.

    Also like the Angels, they’ve made a few first-round exits of late, but that’s not the point…

  255. KWAN July 12th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Right now, we only have 2 good starters.

    I wouldn’t worry about having too many starters. Bannister or whoever would instantly be our 3rd best (assuming they don’t regress when they come to NY) starter. Our pitching is a mess right now. Acquire as many good starters as possible and let the chips fall where they may.

  256. S.A.--Serenity Now July 12th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Andy, Joba and Wang. So many questions regarding those three. Yikes

    Just gotta hope for the best.

  257. Clint July 12th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    Exactly Rebecca, Brett, and Dave…

    I wish more people would just acknowledge that the Angels are a top-flight team/organization that builds their teams the right way and plays a style that is conducive to winning…. rather than talk about how lucky they are and how they are in the Yankees heads and how they get the breaks.

  258. Bret the Hitman July 12th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

    I’d take Figgins in LF in a heartbeat. He’s definitely getting a starting job somewhere and he deserves big money. He is underappreciated and undervalued because he has been trying to make a name for himself in the steroid era. He makes things happen. His aggressive approach at the plate, in the field and on the basepaths represents the core philosophy of Scoscia’s Angels. I’d take him over Holliday. We have enough players with sexy OBP’s and OPS’s and their needs to be more of a balance. We need more pesky guys that put the ball into play more, move runners and create scoring opportunities alternative ways.

  259. tim boat July 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    There’s not point to this season, as Pete points out the Yankees can’t beat the good teams, and even if they do eek out the wild card, they’ll just get demolished in the first round by the Angels as usual.

  260. Evan July 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Wow I finally totally agree with a Pete post and his comments here – specifically against Betsy….

    Stop talking about the Rangers and Twins people – those teams are MEDIOCRE! The Rangers will finish more than 10 games behind the Angels and Twins just aren’t that good.

    The elite teams in the league are the Red Sox, Angels and Yankees. Those are the 3 teams that will have the best chance at the Pennant. I understand anything can happen in the playoffs so I’ll throw in Detroit. The Yankees need to play better against those teams. They not only lose those games but they seem overmatched in each series.

    To be 0-8 vs. Boston is disgraceful. And baseball is all about confidence. If we played Boston in the ALCS they will all have the confidence in the world. It’s a mental edge in sports that is very important.

  261. jennifer July 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm

    Too bad this was a lost weekend. I’m only happy I wasn’t around to watch the games. Hopefully they go home rest up, and get ready for the second half of the season. Two glaring issues is getting Joba straightened out. There is no excuse for the way he has pitched. And they need to figure something else out for the 5th starter. Can’t go out there with 2 starters that can’t last in the game.

  262. Mike July 12th, 2009 at 9:50 pm

    CC’s peripherals are simply catching up to him

    He is an ace in name/reputation only. He’s still a good pitcher, but not this lock down pitcher we thought we were getting. Atleast so far.

  263. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    “CC’s peripherals are simply catching up to him

    He is an ace in name/reputation only. He’s still a good pitcher, but not this lock down pitcher we thought we were getting. Atleast so far.”

    Hence my 7.53 post.

  264. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:52 pm

    for those who care the Yankees are 2nd favorite to win the WS at the ASB

    Red Sox..7-2
    Yankees..4-1
    Dodgers..9-2
    Angels..12-1
    Phi..12-1

  265. D-Town July 12th, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    At the 1\2 way point…. AJ Burnett has been the best off-season acquisition. Teix is a distant 3rd because of his inconsistency/streaky play.

  266. stuart July 12th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    this shows how stupid the post is..
    the yanks beat the indians all 6 games going into the playoffs 3 years ago, how did that work out??????

    in 200o the mariners spanked the yanks in the regular season, how did that playoff series work out.

    a game is a game a win is a win, regardless of who they play..so lisong 2 out of 3 to the tigers means more then beating the twins 7 straight because the tigers are 3 games up in the standings????so do the twins mean more by the end of the year if the twins win the division???

    stupid question huh, because the whole idea of beating good teams is BS. Look at the angel run differentil!!!Should they therefore have less wins??? BS.. People trying to make sense out of a game…

  267. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

    Bret the Hitman & Joeman aren’t the same person but we think alike

  268. stuart July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    bannister stinks for the talent evaluators on thsi blog that saw him pitch 2 good games over the last year or 3..

    he stinks that is why he started the season in the minors…that is like saying the yanks would get a lot for ian kennedy, no they would not neither will the ROyals for kyle davies, bannister or other avg. at best pitchers…..

    yeah the red sux will clean up on jsutin masterson also and the yanks will get a ton for david robertson or the astros for moehler or the dodgers for randy wolf.. these guys are avg at best and wolf has had a very good first 1/2….

  269. Pel July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    stuart, we’ll have none of that logic stuff in here, thank you. :evil:

  270. jennifer July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    So we have 4 days without baseball. :-( I guess I can catch up on movies, and dvr.

  271. Angels '09WS July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    HOW SWEET IT IS!!!!!!!!!

  272. Tank July 12th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    The key is pitching.

    Against the Angels this year, we won 2 of the 6 games, but not one starter has recorded a quality start against them in 6 games. The two games we did win were 7-4 and 10-9.

    Against Boston, we are 0-8 against them. We have not recorded one quality start against them (Andy went 6 IP, 4 R against them, not sure if one of those was unearned, but the point still stands) in the 8 games.

    Against the Phillies, CC was the only one who recorded a quality start, but happened to get outduled by Hamels and we lost in extras.

    So in 17 games against the 3 best teams we have faced, we have recorded a grand total of ONE quality start.

    Fix the pitching and the wins against the good teams will come. But the pitching must be fixed from the outside, not hoping Andy, Wang, and Joba figure it out.

  273. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Chone Figgins is everything offensively that Brett Gardner isn’t……

  274. Al from BK July 12th, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    Bannister is good, but only if we get him for very little, hes not exactly a difference maker.

  275. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    PAt M: I can’t tell if that’s a good thing or not!

  276. Jake July 12th, 2009 at 10:00 pm

    The first 2 games…it was all the pitching’s fault (Horrible Pettite and horrible Joba…as USUAL) But, today was the hitter’s fault, but i mean, you can’t expect them to score 6+ runs in all 3 games, that’s not fair, they just chose the wrong game not to score a lot.

    I think Cashman needs to make the right decision and trade for Halladay, it’s vital to winning the division and winning in the playoffs, because Honestly… Pettite should have retired 2 years ago, he just sucks. When he “dominates”, that means he gives up 3 runs, and 8+ plus hits, and when he gets outs, its not because of overwhelming talent…he would just be an automatic loss in the playoffs.

    I think its time to give up the prospects to get the BEST pitcher in the league…
    Because at that point, it doesnt matter who your number 4 and 5 starters are, because they will get occassion wins (win a little more than %50 of their games) and in the playoffs all you need is 3 good pitchers to dominate, and we would have 3 GREAT pitchers!

    Playoff rotation:
    Roy Halladay
    C.C. Sabbathia
    A.J. Burnett
    Andy Pettite/Sergio Mitre (depending on how he does next week) ** IF needed**

    Bullpen:
    Mo
    Phil Hughes/Joba (depending on who gets traded in the trade)
    Coke
    Aceves
    Bruney
    Melancon
    Chien-Ming Wang

    Lineup:
    Jeter SS
    Damon LF
    Teixiera 1B
    Arod 3B
    Posada C
    Matsui DH
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF / Melky RF
    Melky CF / Gardner CF

    I think that’s a hell of a roster/team….and not having one of joba or hughes? That’s pretty good! I DOUBT cash would be able to work out a deal without involving one of those two…unless he can give up IPK (make him sound valuable lol)

    Maybe… Ian Kennedy, Gardner, Wang, Romine, Brackman?

  277. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    I would take Chone Figgins over any OF the NYY have on their roster …Big stretch

  278. Boston Dave 2.0 July 12th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    missed the game and the blog today…

    this place has gone to he11 in a handbasket.

    the Yanks will be fine. They are one of the top 4 teams in the AL. They should make the playoffs.

    At that point, they have to hope (as every other team will) that there pitching gets hot.

    relax.

  279. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Jake, you’ve got it wrong my friend.

    Yanks don’t need Halladay to make or perform well in the postseason.

    Would he help? Sure. But the Yankees would grossly overpay and there’s probably a better solution to be had for a lower cost.

  280. 99 MPH July 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Bannister would get mauled in the AL East.

    And why would KC trade him? They have no pitching and he still has 3 years of service time?

    And every team is looking for pitching… Texas, Philly, Dodgers, Cardinals, Brewers, Rockies, White Sox,

    Not going to be easy for Cashman to acquire someone

  281. tim boat July 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Angels ’09WS
    July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    HOW SWEET IT IS!!!!!!!!!
    —————————-

    So what? We can’t beat you and you can’t beat Boston either, so both our teams are screwed come playoff time, so idk what you’re so excited about

  282. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Jake, Maybe you have missed on this Doc Halliday subject…..To get Doc from Toronto and to be traded within the division, Cashman will need to work out taking on either Vernon Wells or Rois as a package…..If this were to be, then Cashman avoids shipping off Joba / Hughes….That’s the inside track that the Yanks have over all the other suitors for Doc…..

  283. Pel July 12th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    >Chone Figgins is everything offensively that Brett Gardner isn’t……

    Chone Figgins is everything offensivley a lot of players aren’t.

  284. Boston Dave 2.0 July 12th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    “To be 0-8 vs. Boston is disgraceful. And baseball is all about confidence. If we played Boston in the ALCS they will all have the confidence in the world. It’s a mental edge in sports that is very important.”

    ———

    true.

    but the games get thrown out the window once the playoffs start.

    as Giuseppe said, ask the Angels about how important winning all those regular season games against the Sox were.

    Or the 6-0 edge the Yanks had over the Indians in 2007.

  285. stuart July 12th, 2009 at 10:07 pm

    I believe the rays are better then the angels so do our wins agaisnt them count more?

    shocking you get good starting pitching and you win, holy moly what a epiphany………………………………….

  286. E-Rod July 12th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    I hate to say it… but what about trying to acquire Pavano?

  287. jennifer July 12th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    tim boat July 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Angels ‘09WS
    July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    HOW SWEET IT IS!!!!!!!!!
    —————————-

    So what? We can’t beat you and you can’t beat Boston either, so both our teams are screwed come playoff time, so idk what you’re so excited about
    **********

    Yeah somehow the Angels seem to always forget how to play baseball when they see a team with a B on their caps. Hey maybe that is what the Yankees should do!

  288. S.A.--Serenity Now July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    I hate to say it… but what about trying to acquire Pavano?

    ==============================

    :?

  289. Boston Dave 2.0 July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    “Angels ‘09WS
    July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
    HOW SWEET IT IS!!!!!!!!!”

    ———-

    how sweep it is would have been better.

    it should be sweet. the angels played well and deserved the wins.

    of course, the angels have been regular season kings for a long time.

    there’s been lots of “how sweet it is” angels posts from april – september.

    not as many once october starts.

  290. Tommy July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    “So what? We can’t beat you and you can’t beat Boston either, so both our teams are screwed come playoff time, so idk what you’re so excited about”

    Exactly. Angels will probably beat us in the ALDS, but Boston will spank them as usual.

  291. jennifer July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    E-Rod July 12th, 2009 at 10:08 pm

    I hate to say it… but what about trying to acquire Pavano?

    *******

    Not to be rude or anything but you can’t possibly be serious. Never mind that he never wanted to pitch in NY when he was here. Never mind that he has a 5.36 era pitching in the AL West.

    But seriously give me a break on this one.

  292. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    99MPH, Banister just lost in Fenway 1-0 …He’s a good pitcher…..He’d be just right for what The Yanks need….

  293. raymagnetic July 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    E-Rod,

    Now that would be hilarious and ironic as hell.

  294. Jake July 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Hey about the package thing regarding halladay, about packaging rios/wells with halladay to the yanks…that will only HELP us! we can use a guy like vernon wells or rios…they are better than swisher. and also that will lower the price, since they basicly want to dump money! And we can afford that! I think its gonna get done. We have an advantage over any other team…we can ALWAYS add payroll and have good prospects to give up

  295. jennifer July 12th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    Oh and I am sick of hearing people on the radio wax poetic about the Angels manager. He has won one WS. He can only seem to beat the Yankees and folds up like a cheap suit against the Soxs. Yep great manager.

  296. Cash is King July 12th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

    “The Red Sox were 1-8 against the Angels last season and beat them in the postseason.

    The Yanks were 6-0 against the Tribe in the regular season in 2007 and lost to them in four games in the ALDS.

    There are plenty of other examples.

    All those regular season records go out the window come October.”

    Excellent post! Of course, a certain writer wants to ignore that bit of information because it doesn’t fit his storyline over the next few days.

  297. BBFan July 12th, 2009 at 10:12 pm

    It is interesting when the comments from some of the better posters here get on the nerves of Pete :)

    Yes, confidence does matter.
    What happened in the first half does not matter.
    If they still suck against Boston in the second half, yes it can be a confidence problem.
    Instead if they play well against Boston in the second half, which I beleive they will, then the first half failures do not mean any thing.
    There are still 10 games against Boston. If they sweep the last series (like those five game seires a couple of years back), every thing will be alright, provided they make it to the playoffs by beating the weaker teams. If you do not win against the weaker teams, you will not make it to the playoffs even if we sweep all those remaining 10 games.

  298. teddy July 12th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    anyone think we can get arizona to take a cano, plus cash, plus prospects

  299. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    “Hey about the package thing regarding halladay, about packaging rios/wells with halladay to the yanks…that will only HELP us! ”

    No and from every report from Jays fans Rios makes Jose Reyes look like Albert Einstein in the field. No one is dumb enough to take Wells contract, no one.

  300. teddy July 12th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    for dan haren

  301. Tom NJ July 12th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Boston has power pitchers who keep the Angels off the basepaths.

    They have gold glovers at every position… 3rd, 1B, 2B, everywhere in the OF. Varitek throws out runners well. And they rob them of hits and don’t let them go 1st to 3rd.

    Boston is a fundamentals team just like LA is. Angels can’t expose Boston’s age and lack of range like LA does to us. Guys like Beckett and Lester just go right after them and blow heat by them.

    Not hard to see why Boston has owned them in the postseason and before last year, the regular season as well. Especially at home.

  302. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    Pete is right. No need to sugarcoat.

    But there is plenty of time to fix things.

  303. Blog Poster July 12th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    Based on what I’ve seen from Joba recently, I would trade Chamberlain for Haren straight up.

  304. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    What are Dan Haren’s numbers?

  305. Al from BK July 12th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    jake- I agree with you we should get Halladay, especially if it is to keep him away from Boston(I heard the Jays had scouts watching Buchholz today).

  306. RalphieD (OPPC) DO NOT LOOK AT YES RADAR GUN..IT IS WRONG July 12th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    “>Chone Figgins is everything offensively that Brett Gardner isn’t……”

    why would anyone try to really make this argument…thats like saying “albert pujols is everything offensively that alex rodriguez isn’t”…are you just trying to lift up an angel while putting down a yankee?

  307. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    If the Phils get Halladay it is major addition by subtraction.

  308. BX 44 July 12th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Dan Haren probably will cost more than Halladay

    Haren was dominant in the AL when he was here and is 3 years younger.

  309. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    “Based on what I’ve seen from Joba recently, I would trade Chamberlain for Haren straight up.”

    You’d get a distinct lack of cooperation from the D’Back front office on that proposal.

  310. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Pujols is only arguably a better player than A-Rod.

    Remember, A-Rod plays in the AL, Pujols the NL.

  311. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    Jeter is having a nice year for hiself….not bad for a old man

  312. S.A.--Serenity Now July 12th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    Trade season preview from Jon Heyman:

    Looking at some of the pitchers he mentions:

    3. Doug Davis, Diamondbacks P. The Brewers have inquired. But the offers are such that Arizona is now considering an extension for Davis.

    7. Jarrod Washburn, Mariners P. Seattle’s playing too well to consider a sale at the moment. But if it slips a bit, Washburn should be coveted by many. The Yankees and Dodgers could make sense, among others.

    10. Jonathan Sanchez, Giants P. The no-hit kid was being offered around before his gem. Very talented, but could be caught in a numbers game in San Fran.

    22. Bronson Arroyo, Reds P. The ERA can look a little ugly. But he’s a winner. Forever on the trading block, it seems. (Diet Coke would be dancing in the streets of Astoria if the yankees ever got him, :P )

    27. Brian Bannister, Royals P. K.C. people deny they are shopping him. But the further they fall, the more attractive a trade may become. Not a scouts’ guy but he seems to win.

    More to read here:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....e.preview/

  313. teddy July 12th, 2009 at 10:18 pm

    2009 28 ARI NL 9 5 .643 2.01 18 18 0 3 1 0 130.0 89 31 29 12 16 0 129 2 0 4 492 225 0.808 6.2 0.8 1.1 8.9 8.06

  314. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:19 pm

    Jeter is having a tremdous season.

    I’d love it if he hit 20 HR’s.

    His and Johnny Damon’s swing are perfect for our ballpark.

  315. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    Wait:

    AL or NL, Pujols is the superior hitter.

  316. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    The Yankees always smash Bannister.

  317. Cash is King July 12th, 2009 at 10:20 pm

    “Boston has power pitchers who keep the Angels off the basepaths.

    They have gold glovers at every position… 3rd, 1B, 2B, everywhere in the OF. Varitek throws out runners well. And they rob them of hits and don’t let them go 1st to 3rd.”

    You need to check your facts first before posting such an opinion as fact. Varitek isn’t good at throwing out runners and Bay’s reputation as a defensive outfielder isn’t great and Lowell isn’t the 3rd baseman he once was.

  318. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Just a thought, but why not have Igawa start?

    No, I am not kidding. I know this might interfere with all of his SWB record breaking, but why not give him one more try at the big league level.

  319. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Fez-That’s very debateable.

    A-Rod went on a hot streak in 07′ that was as ridiculous as any I’ve ever remembered.

    He had an utterly ludicrous year that year.

  320. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    the Sox have Masterson & Buchholz to use to trade for Doc whether or not they do it…I hope not

  321. Mark July 12th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

    I really don’t think Cashman is looking to acquire a long term solution for the rotation like a Halladay, Lee, Haren, etc. I don’t think he wants to block guys like McAllister, De La Rosa, Bleich etc.

    Cash wants Joba and Hughes in the rotation along with CC, AJ, and another homegrown guy. I don’t think he wants to acquire someone that will need a rotation spot beyond this year.

    That’s why he’ll probably look for a Washburn or Doug Davis type.

  322. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    ERcia-Every year someone says this. Annd every year he spectacularly bombs.

    He had his chance in the big leagues and not only failed, he failed spectacularly. Igawa is not a big league pitcher.

  323. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Washburn is really good.

  324. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    “the Sox have Masterson & Buchholz to use to trade for Doc whether or not they do it…I hope not”

    LOL JP Riccardi is one of the ML’s best farmsystem evaluators, if you think that is enough to get Doc you must be on something. :lol:

  325. Blog Poster July 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    Marty Janzen and two no-name pitching prospects helped launch the Yankee’s late 90s success. David Cone was the return on that trade with Toronto.

    The days of those trades is over with newfound parity in the game.

    To get quality, you’d have to give up proven, young cost- controlled talent.

    What young, proven cost-controlled talent do the Yankees have that they’d be willing to give up?

    I don’t see them risking enough.

    I would dangle Joba for a Haren, though and see what else AZ wants. Joba’s certianly no Marty Janzen, but a guy like Haren could be a David Cone.

  326. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    “That’s why he’ll probably look for a Washburn or Doug Davis type.”

    I actually think he’ll take a shot at his AAAA affiliate and see if the price for Duke or Snell is reasonable.

  327. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
    July 12th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
    ERcia-Every year someone says this. Annd every year he spectacularly bombs.

    He had his chance in the big leagues and not only failed, he failed spectacularly. Igawa is not a big league pitcher.
    ****
    I realize that. But his last major league start was June 2008. I would like to think he picked up something in Triple A since then. What is the worst that happens by giving him one more try? We lose one game and 20 bridge jumpers jump and tell me “I told you so”. I can handle that

  328. Jake July 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Mark, too bad washburn and doug davis are crap = Pettite…and would still take a prospect, if we’re goin to give up prospects, mise well add an extra one and some other guys to get a 10x better pitcher…Halladay,or maybe even Cliff Lee?

  329. Blog Poster July 12th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Joeman –

    Check out some of Masterson’s most recent appearances.

    His stock price has dropped, to say the least.

  330. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    “the Sox have Masterson & Buchholz to use to trade for Doc whether or not they do it…I hope not”

    LOL JP Riccardi is one of the ML’s best farmsystem evaluators, if you think that is enough to get Doc you must be on something. :lol:
    ——————————————————-

    don’t think those two alone would get it done but it’s a nice starting point

    d

  331. stuart July 12th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    the falalcy of the boston greatness is laguhable.. some facts for you fools; ellsbury has very good range but throws like damon, varitek is a bad thrower and he cannot hit, bay has slightly better range then manny, there SS suck period, pedroia if he gets to it makes the out but his range is not great, lowell is a old man, and on and on.

    fans here think this is the BCS you get sytle points based on strength of schedule it is hilarious.

    people here want to trade for bannister. He is slightlly better then Kei Igawa…..

    the angels are so great but why do the yanks have a better record? better run differential? a lower ERA and more runs scored?? Just a couple of facts for you brain surgeons…..Oh by the way the AL west stinks….

  332. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    ERica-We lose one game is very important. Unfortunately, that is the most likely outcome.

    The logic that he learned something in triple A is kind of faulty. What could he have possibly learned that transformed him from mega bust to decent pitcher?

  333. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    are going to start about stock dropping…..then Joba is worth nothing

  334. Aardvark July 12th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Cleveland was a team that had no track record of winning and was in the playoffs for the first time

    Same with Detroit

    Angels have been a playoff team for several years, beat us in the playoffs twice already, and owns us at home. They have owned us for over a decade. Only team to have a winning record against us in the Torre-era.

    There is a much larger sample size for the Angels than there was for the 07 Indians or 06 Tigers. We didn’t have the long track record of owning them like LA does to us.

  335. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    Wow. for some reason I keep capitalizing the R in Erica. Sorry.

  336. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:28 pm

    “don’t think those two alone would get it done but it’s a nice starting point”

    I’m JP it starts w/ Bucholz and Lester. I’m going by his comments… IT’S GOING TO HURT !

  337. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Wait:

    In 2007, Arod posted an OPS+ of 177, the best of his career. His career OPS+ is 143. Pujols career OPS+ is 173 and he’s never had a season where he’s posted one as low as 150. Pujols has a higher average, OBP and sluggng percentage. Arod is tremendous. One of the best ever. Pujols is better.

  338. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    The Angels quite honestly do not scare me, and I’m sure they don’t scare the Yankees.

    They won’t get pitching this bad every game.

  339. Christina July 12th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Not sure if it was posted anywhere, but Bobby Murcer passed away exactly a year ago today. It doesn’t seem like it has been that long. He is definitely missed, thats for sure.

  340. m July 12th, 2009 at 10:29 pm

    Oh, what a horrible series, huh?

    I’m not too, too worried about the Yankees against these teams offensively.

    With the exception of Andy’s 4-1 loss in Boston and today’s game, we held leads against Boston & the Angels in every loss.

    Nice to see that Sergio Mitre had a good start today. Exceptional really. Let’s hope he’s ready to grab the bull by the horns.

    AJ on the first game back? Hopefully, his hot streak continues.

    It sucks that we lost 3 games in the division in as many days, but we’ve made up deficits larger than that this season already. Twice even?

  341. Cape Cod Holy Cow July 12th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Right on the money, Pete.

  342. Bridge Jumper 2 July 12th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Where has Joba gone?

    Where is the guy who threw 100 to JD Drew in the 7th inning last year?

    How does a guy with his stuff become so hittable?

  343. S.A.--Serenity Now July 12th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Erica – always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Just a thought, but why not have Igawa start?

    No, I am not kidding. I know this might interfere with all of his SWB record breaking, but why not give him one more try at the big league level.

    ===========================

    No can do

    Various imaginary studies have shown that Kei Igawa may be a health risk to many NY Yankee fans.

    Increased HRs (that’s heart rate, not home runs: though that may happen too), sweating, chest pain, nausea, vomiting, stomach pains, headaches. You name it.

    :P

  344. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Fez-So far. Hasn’t A-Rod’s career been longer?

    And Pujols is doing it in the weaker NL.

    Pujols is one of the best ever, but so is A-Rod.

  345. stuart July 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    aardvark good try but baloney. the angel playoff teams that beat the yanks have almost no players from thsi present angel team on them.. what morales, abreu, aybar, rivera, matthews, hunter, fuentes, etc. these guys were not on those teams…

    people just want to make things up, imagine what people would be saying if the yanks won 2 out of 3 this weekend!!!!!!

    hilarious….again trying to make sense out of a game that is dangerous………….

  346. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    “I actually think he’ll take a shot at his AAAA affiliate and see if the price for Duke or Snell is reasonable.”

    Duke won’t be. Not sure I’d want Snell.

  347. Cash is King July 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    The debate on who’s a better hitter Arod or Pujols isn’t really debatable if you look at their stats objectively.

  348. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pm

    So if we go through it–

    NYY, BOS, TAM, DET, CHW, LAA, TEX, PHI, STL, MIL, LAD, SF and COL are all likely buyers. You *might* be able to throw in MIN, SEA, FLA, ATL, CHC and HOU because the Astros are weird.

    That leaves you with TOR, BAL, CLE, KC, OAK, WAS, PIT, CIN, ARI and SD as your sellers.

    Now, we can eliminate some of the sellers.

    Toronto and Baltimore are in division so any deal with them would involve massive over paying. At any rate, Baltimore is building a very solid core and probably not looking to part with anything that’s not dead weight.

    Oakland is Billy Beane, and he’ll make you over pay. Probably. At any rate, you’d have to be really really sure.

    On the extreme other hand, Pittsburgh seems to be willing to trade anyone, and they seem to have a thing for mediocre Yankee pitching prospects.

    But anyway, you realistically have CLE, KC, WAS, PIT, CIN, ARI and SD as your preferred choices.

    WAS, PIT, CIN, ARI and SD would be best as they are in the NL.

    Who, from those teams, would you target?

    Personally, I’d look into Arizona.

  349. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    at the end of this season it will turn out to be the year of the W/L streaks

  350. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    “Duke won’t be. Not sure I’d want Snell.”

    saids who ?

  351. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    WTTCTOHA-

    Its okay, capitalizing two letters in my name is making me feel extra important.

    I think giving Igawa a start is something to consider. I realize, there is a good chance it won’t go well. But if a guy can be the Cy Young of SWB there has got to be something to be brought back with him. At the very least, its just something to consider

    This may not be the popular opinion, but my gut told me starting Aceves Thursday would be a huge mistake and I really think it was. He burnt the bullpen out afterwards. Then Friday and Saturday we could have really used him in the bullpen. I truly believe with Aceves in the bullpen we take 2 of 3 against the Angels this weekend.

  352. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Cash is King-Fez just posted stats. Pujols’s career is shorter and he has been doing it in the weaker NL, and ina realtively weka division compared to the Yanks, especially pitching wise.

  353. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    “July 12th, 2009 at 10:30 pm

    Fez-So far. Hasn’t A-Rod’s career been longer?

    And Pujols is doing it in the weaker NL.

    Pujols is one of the best ever, but so is A-Rod.”

    A-Rod puts together insane seasons and might be the better power hitter, but on any fantasy team you take Pujols.

    Pujols is the best pure hitter the game has seen in years. Years.

  354. Seth July 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    We didn’t spend $423 million to make the playoffs

    We spent $423 million to win the world series

    I want a world series win and anything else is simply inacceptable.

  355. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm

    Don’t think Arroyo can pitch in this league

  356. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    joeman-Probably. Who cares?

  357. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:34 pm

    “Don’t think Arroyo can pitch in this league”

    He’d love to land on TOR :)

  358. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    “Personally, I’d look into Arizona.”

    What do they have that you might want? Keeping in mind that they won’t move Haren, Scherzer, Drew or Upton. You thinking Chad Qualls?

  359. Carl July 12th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

    Seth

    Ok George you got it buddy

  360. steve July 12th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    Hey geniuses

    Why is Texieria getting off scott -free?

    $181 million dollars and has had 3 good weeks. offering no protection for Al….

    couldn’t get a fly ball off a tiring john lackey

    such a joke that he is an all-star and not youakllis….

  361. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    Rebecca-You’re right. For fantasy, Pujols.

    The stickler is, people were saying the same about A-Rod when he came out.

    The book I own Dimmaggio is fascinating. It strikes me that Montero is entering the Yankees in a similar position as Dimmaggio. Similar, but not identical.

    Montero right now is fast becoming what people consider to be an “absolute” (whether it’s true or not). As in, “he’ll absolutely be a great hitter”.

    Like Dimmaggio, Montero is in the middle of a bit of a Yankee “cold streak, where they haven’t won a WS for a while.

    Like Dimmaggio, I am certain that by the time he gets here, he will be the “missing piece” in mnay writers’ eyes.

    He will become the one that carries through the tradition of great Yankee homegrown hitters that ended with Mantle (Jeter is great but not all time great).

    And he will become the leader, one day, if the hype is true.

    Hopefully.

  362. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    “Pujols is the best pure hitter the game has seen in years. Years.”

    Decades. Best combination of average and power possessed by a right handed hitter since DiMaggio.

  363. Sevrx July 12th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    I highly doubt guys like Zach Duke, Brian Moheler, Arroyo, Doug Davis etc. would survive in the AL.

    If you are going to shop in the NL, it has to be for a stud like Dan Haren

  364. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    Fez-Mantle may disagree with you there.

  365. Carl July 12th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    “Pujols is the best pure hitter the game has seen in years. Years.”

    Decades. Best combination of average and power possessed by a right handed hitter since DiMaggio.

    Pujols is also on steroids.

  366. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 10:40 pm

    ““Personally, I’d look into Arizona.”

    What do they have that you might want? Keeping in mind that they won’t move Haren, Scherzer, Drew or Upton. You thinking Chad Qualls?”

    Personally I’d be looking at Doug Davis. I’d be okay with Qualls but what the team needs more is starting pitching.

    Fez and Wait til they Come: Yeah, PUjols is that good. For me the difference between Pujols and A-Rod is that when A-Rod slumps, he slumps. Is an automatic out. Pujols…I don’t think I’ve ever heard of him slumping.

  367. The Duke July 12th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    In about 10 years, the things people are saying about Pujols will be said about Montero

    “Best hitter in baseball, best player since Damaggio, greatest player ever, most feared hitter etc”.

  368. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    “I highly doubt guys like Zach Duke, Brian Moheler, Arroyo, Doug Davis etc. would survive in the AL.”

    Why wouldn’t Duke survive ?

  369. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:41 pm

    any thoughts on Harang, he does get innings on a bad team

  370. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Rebecca-You’ve never heard of him slumping because he plays in a different league. We don’t follow him every day. I will gurantee he slumps, otherwise he’d be hitting over 500.

    Also, when A-Rod gets hot he becomes the best hitter in the game.

    07′ was magical. Remember it; you were watching one of the greatest seasons any player has ever had.

  371. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    “Personally I’d be looking at Doug Davis”

    god no

  372. RBI Man July 12th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    Be very careful shopping for fringe starting pitchers in the NL.

    You really think Doug Davis or Bronson Arroyo will pitch better than Pettitte?

    We already have our washed up big game battler who eats innings and gets shelled every other start…. we don’t need another.

  373. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 10:42 pm

    steve
    July 12th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
    Hey geniuses

    Why is Texieria getting off scott -free?

    $181 million dollars and has had 3 good weeks. offering no protection for Al….

    couldn’t get a fly ball off a tiring john lackey

    such a joke that he is an all-star and not youakllis….

    ————————————————————

    And Aaron Hill and Robinson Cano are having better tears than Pedroia. What’s your point?

  374. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Fez-Mantle may disagree with you there.

    I said right handed bats. Mantle was tremendous from both sides, but probably not Pujols and DiMaggio’s equal as a right handed bat.

  375. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    The Duke-See what I mean?

    I have no idea how good he’ll really be. But fans expect him to be Pujols. If he doesn’t live up to that he’s a bust. If he does, he’s a god.

    Just like Dimmaggio.

  376. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    And Aaron Hill and Robinson Cano are having better ***years*** than Pedroia

  377. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Davis pitches in the NL West, which might be the most AL-like division–LA has a great offense and Colorado is pretty good.

    Davis’s WHIP is too high but his ERA is perfectly respectable, and as for ERA+, I’ve seen plenty worse.

    http://www.baseball-reference......do02.shtml

  378. Pat M....Section 211 July 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

    Angels from that 2002 team, Lackey & Figgins…..The Yanks that September were incerdible…I think they had like 5 shutouts and went into the playoffs with a 19-5 streak…The Yanks led in every game only to watch in disbelief as Anahiem had seeing eye hits every game….I was at the first game at the Stadium and game 4 in Anaheim…It was unreal….Clemens, Wells, Mussina, Pettite a very impressive staff..El-Duque was also on that rotation…..I thought about that series today as I sat watching the unbelievable….Yeah Game 5 of the 05 ALDS haunts me as well….Bubba & Shefield colliding in rf on a flyball….

  379. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:44 pm

    Fez-Right handed…then fair enough.

  380. Rolex July 12th, 2009 at 10:46 pm

    The problem is, if you restrict your search to the AL only… your market is very limited. TOR/BAL are not trading with you

    That leaves KC, OAK, and SEA. And right now, SEA isin’t even sure to be a seller. And Washburn has like a 3.20 ERA, a lot of teams will be after him.

    OAK doesn’t have any veteran pitching. Doubt they trade Dallas Braden. KC only has Bannister or Meche (2 yrs left on his deal).

    The market isin’t exactly littered with pitching.

  381. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    But hey, if you guys don’t like any of my suggestions, I’m okay with it. I’m a crap fantasy player, which probably means I’m not very good at evaluating individual players ;)

  382. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Fez
    July 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
    Fez-Mantle may disagree with you there.

    I said right handed bats. Mantle was tremendous from both sides, but probably not Pujols and DiMaggio’s equal as a right handed bat.

    ————————————————————

    What are you judging that on? Mantle was the equal of any right handed hitter in baseball, including DiMaggio.

  383. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    Tor/Bal will certainly trade with us if we have a good enough deal.

  384. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    “….Yeah Game 5 of the 05 ALDS haunts me as well….Bubba & Shefield colliding in rf on a flyball….”

    I forgot all about that. You could actually feel the Yankees deflate after that collision. It was over

  385. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    Like I was saying, Montero, by next year, will be the next.

    And with him it’s all or nothing. If he’s “all right” that won’t be good enough.

    The pressure is enormous..but so are the rewards.

  386. EricNS July 12th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    Pete – it seems everyone can use a few days off – baseball is supposed to be fun – maybe the Yanks are goo enough to dream but not great enough to achieve now – the bottom line is now team will win every year and the win now win every year idea is just not realistic.

  387. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    “….Yeah Game 5 of the 05 ALDS haunts me as well….Bubba & Shefield colliding in rf on a flyball….”

    *bangs head against table*

  388. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    GB7-

    Did we really cause Laura to flee the country for knocking Damon???? She is missing

  389. EricNS July 12th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

    it seems everyone can use a few days off – baseball is supposed to be fun – maybe the Yanks are goo enough to dream but not great enough to achieve now – the bottom line is now team will win every year and the win now win every year idea is just not realistic.

  390. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Erica, I just got a message that Laura was in the witness protection program.

  391. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Dimmaggio disliked Mantle. Called him a “rockhead”.

    Probably jealousy. Mantle was younger and was just as good a five tool player as Dimmaggio was until he blew his knee out. And Mantle always blamed Dimmaggio for that.

    Mantle had Dimmaggio’s personality about right. It very well could have been Joe D’s fault that his knee blew out.

    And Dimmaggio hated Teddy Ballgame. Williams had the numbers (hitting wise of course) but I bet you if Joe D played in Fenway Park, being a line drive hitter he would have hit 400.

  392. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    GreenBeret7
    July 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
    Erica, I just got a message that Laura was in the witness protection program.
    ****
    Poor Laura. I know I am scary, but I wouldn’t have hurt her. Or would I……….. :evil:

  393. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 10:52 pm

    “What are you judging that on? Mantle was the equal of any right handed hitter in baseball, including DiMaggio”

    Yeah, I stand corrected.

  394. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    To me, baseball IS fun.

    I love this team, it’s much better than last year’s team and they’re a blast to watch. IMO they’re too talented not to beat Boston eventually.

  395. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! July 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    BTW horrible job by the World’s coach the only player on both teams to not play in that Futures Game was Manny Banuelos.

  396. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
    July 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
    To me, baseball IS fun.

    I love this team, it’s much better than last year’s team and they’re a blast to watch. IMO they’re too talented not to beat Boston eventually.
    ****
    I am willing to make a bet that they beat Boston in August. Who wants to wager with me???

  397. Gambit July 12th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Don’t get your hopes up guys… Cashman is NOT going to acquire anyone. The prices will be too high. He is not going to give up Jackson, Cervelli, Pena, etc. for a Davis or Washburn. He won’t get Halladay either.

    He will try Sergio Mitre, and if he bombs, then Nova. Then maybe Igawa.

    Cashman will NOT go out of the organization for help

  398. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Erica-I made that bet earlier and lost, was forced to post “I love the Sox” on Julia’s Rants.

    But I can live with being humbled. I will make that bet w/you.

  399. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 10:54 pm

    Mantle disn’t blame DiMaggio for the injury, but, Stengel and Mantle’s other teammates, other than Rizzuto did. As for not liking Mantle, that’s bull. He didn’t associate with many team mates and certainly no rookies.

  400. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    “Cashman will NOT go out of the organization for help”

    I am not saying you are wrong, but that is a line we have also heard before

  401. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    http://www.scribd.com/full/173.....mptu1y7vn6

  402. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Mantle’s numbers, left and right handed.

    http://www.baseball-reference......r&t=b

  403. Ton Loc July 12th, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Sorry, I don’t care what the records are against Boston, Angels or Detriot. What if if the yankees beat Boston 10 strait but get sweep by the o’s, the Jay’s and the A’s the rest of the season, we must be a good team because beat Boston? 3 out, with no Wang, A-rod out first 30 games, Posada out, Joba all over the place, the Bullpen from hell in April I’ll take it.

  404. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    WTTCTOHA-

    I would never make you say you love the Sox. That is just disgusting.

    I will make you say you love Johnny Damon :-)

  405. Thomo July 12th, 2009 at 10:56 pm

    Too young to have seen Joe D play but Mantle in the 1950′s was an unbelievable right hand bat – managers “turned him” by bringing in right hand pitchers all the time. One dimension that Mantle had which Pujols lacks – unbelievable speed – of course most potent from the left side.

    Scorecard for the first half – I have to agree with Peter – they have to be able to beat the best teams. Absent that, they will never regain the swagger needed to succeed in the playoffs.

    No consistency from anyone – Jeter has nice numbers but has not been particularly clutch – of course it is harder to drive in runs from the one spot. Tex and ARod have been very streaky. Cano has obviously struggled with RISP. Pitching up and down from everyone… who would have thought that Hughes would be the story out of the pen! The only reliable – Mo! Nothing new there – thankfully.

    Hopefully they regroup for the second half.

  406. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    GreenBeret7-He never said a word to Mantle in person. But he absolutely, and I quote, said “He’s a rockhead” in private.

    And yes, Mantle did blame Joe D. He always said that Joe D had to look perfect, so he didn’t call fo the ball until he was sure he could catch it…far too late.

  407. Seth July 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

    Is there a worse OF’er than John Damon?

    And Swisher/Hinske are both awful in right field

    No wonder Angels go 1st to 3rd on us

  408. NYY626 July 12th, 2009 at 10:58 pm

    I am willing to make a bet that they beat Boston in August. Who wants to wager with me???
    _____________________________________________________________
    I hope so, cause I’m probably going to shell out a lot of money I dont have to go to some of those games :)

  409. 77513 July 12th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Washburn is basically the same pitcher that Andy Pettitte is. Washburn really pitches well and benefits from pitching in Safeco. I think if he pitched in yankee stadium he would not be that good.

  410. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Actually, it’s not true that Joe D said NOTHING to Mantle in person-he did say “Don’t move. A stretcher’s coming” when Mantle blew his knee out.

  411. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Yanks defense OF is one of the worst in the ML, no sugar coating that

  412. The Duke July 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    BTW… Eddy Curry apparently lost 50 lbs this summer and is in “great shape” and is “showing a lot of agility”.

  413. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Ercia-I happen to like Johnny Damon a lot. I think he is an excellent player.

    Anyway, I’m betting with you. Yanks will beat the Sox.

  414. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Melky and Gardy in CF have played good D.

  415. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    if they are going to make a move on a SP it’s going to have to be the other teams #1 or #2 otherwise forget it, not going to get anything better than what they have

  416. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 11:02 pm

    That’s the same quote that was given by Hank Bauer. Mantle only said that Stengel told him to catch anything he could get to because, to quote Stengel’s exact words, “Catch anything you can get to because ‘The Big Dago’s’ heel is killing him.” Mantle was lining up the catch and heard DiMaggio call it late and started pulling up. That’s the only “blame” he ever placed. The real blame is on the team and ballpark for having drain caps like that in the outfield.

  417. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    “BTW horrible job by the World’s coach the only player on both teams to not play in that Futures Game was Manny Banuelos.”

    He was kinda hamstrung when the game got shortened.

    Seth–

    Damon’s not a great fielder, it has a lot to do with his bum leg, but his bat outweighs that.

    Good Melky and Gardner are great; Swisher is above average and should be platooning with Nady but for obvious reasons is not.

  418. Erica - always OPPC July 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pm

    Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
    July 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
    Melky and Gardy in CF have played good D.
    ***
    If we could somehow morph GGBG and Melky into one person we would have one really awesome centerfielder

  419. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    GreenBeret7-You’re right about what Stengel said. But Mantle’s blame was not in public. In private. He never looked at Joe D the same way again.

  420. jvcelt July 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    battered and bruised, but we’ll be back. nothing worthwhile comes easily.

  421. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pm

    no mater how good Melky or Gardner ( although they have their moments) they can’t make up for the two corner OF play

  422. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 11:05 pm

    I know Montero had at least one RBI during the future’s game, anybody know if he did anything else?

  423. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 11:06 pm

    It’s amazing that (arguably) the three biggest stars of Dimmaggio’s yankees were Italian, Joe D, Yogi, and Rizzuto.

  424. Fez July 12th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    “I know Montero had at least one RBI during the future’s game, anybody know if he did anything else?”

    0-2 with an RBI before giving way to Carlos Santana.

  425. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    Montero was 0-2.

  426. Betsy July 12th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    I agree – I would not trade real prospects for Jared Washburn..

  427. joeman July 12th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    every time the ball goes in the air near Damon I’m thinking he going to drop the ball, his arm is as bad as it gets. Swish & now Hinske can’t go back on the ball. Melky & Gardner are decent

  428. pat July 12th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    Just saw the HR Derby particpants for this year- Pena, Cruz, Mauer, Inge, Pujols, Howard, Fielder and Gonzalez

    The AL group have hit alot of HRs this year but just don’t scream slugger to me like guys have in years past.

    Hamilton was fun last year. Hope someone steps up big this year to keep it interesting.

  429. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    0-2…Well, he had an RBI.

  430. ken July 12th, 2009 at 11:09 pm

    This new social anxiety disorder they have for putting players on the DL, can managers get in on it too? I would like Girardi to be out for 2 weeks and someone else manage. I think things would be better then.

  431. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 12th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Speak of the devil…new thread.

  432. igotid88 July 12th, 2009 at 11:13 pm

    I hate watching knowing once an Angel got on he was going to score. I think the next time the Yanks go to Anaheim. They should switch pitching signs.

  433. 77513 July 12th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    Gardner & Melky are good fielders. Swisher is an average fielder. Swisher is not as bad as people make him out to be he is better defensively than Heinske. Swish has made some nice catches this year. He had that bad play on Pedroia ball at Fenway. And he had a couple of throws where he just airmailed the ball and missed the cutoff man he stopped doing that. Damon is not a good fielder but his bat makes up for it.

  434. GreenBeret7 July 12th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Betsy
    July 12th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
    I agree – I would not trade real prospects for Jared Washburn..

    ————————————————————

    Yeah…if Cashman’s really smart, he’ll be able to convince the Mariners to take some of the Yanks’ fake prospects. If they move Pena or Nunez in a deal, one needs to be kept to allow him to progress further. Igawa and no more than half his salary, along with Nova or another AAA starter/reliever like Kroenke. Igawa would do ok pitching in that airport.

  435. Role Call July 12th, 2009 at 11:16 pm

    Don’t blame Cashman if he doesn’t get anyone.

    There are very few guys available who are better than what we have, unless you acquire a stud like halladay, haren, lee etc.

    We need reinforcements, but the reinforcements may not be there to get.

  436. Allen July 12th, 2009 at 11:30 pm

    Yankees.. Please don’t trade young players(have prospects) for Halladay…
    We will regret it in the future. I promise…

  437. KO July 12th, 2009 at 11:33 pm

    There are some tweaks to be made with the Yanks’ roster and our starting pitching has to come together. But the talent is there. It’s not that they have to play better against the better teams. That doesn’t matter one bit. The Yankees don’t need to worry about the other teams at all… all they can worry about is themselves. Some of the coaching staff is questionable (cough Girardi and Eiland), but this team is better than it has been in the recent past. So they still can’t win in Anaheim. I’ll worry about that if they meet in the playoffs. Say what you will about this team, but one thing is, they don’t quit. Espcially our lineup, I don’t care if someone is scuffling or if Tex melts under the boos… our offense never quits. There’s more fight in this roster than in the past few years. I’m still confident about this season, I have been since the start. We’ll be there in the end.

  438. Jones July 12th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    “Yeah…if Cashman’s really smart, he’ll be able to convince the Mariners to take some of the Yanks’ fake prospects. If they move Pena or Nunez in a deal, one needs to be kept to allow him to progress further. Igawa and no more than half his salary, along with Nova or another AAA starter/reliever like Kroenke. Igawa would do ok pitching in that airport.”
    _______________________________________
    Pena most likely isn’t going anywhere

  439. john Evans July 13th, 2009 at 12:24 am

    You all need to get lives, and soon.

  440. BWare July 13th, 2009 at 2:28 am

    “Walkoff wins are a product of luck, more so than skill…”

    A necessary condition for a “walkoff win” is that you’re the home team; consequently, there will be no walk-off opportunity in half of your games. As such, walk-off stats are not indicative of anything meaningful, except for mob scenes at home plate and SportsCenter highlights.

    Regarding Yankees v. Angels…

    I’m an Angel fan in the LA area and, while it was great to see my team polish off the Yankees, I don’t read anything more into it beyond the fact that we somehow have enjoyed sustained success against the Yankees. There are certainly other teams out there that have given us absolute nightmares this season. Our play against the Rangers this season has been absolutely sickening — and that’s not counting the games where the Rangers abandoned the game at hand and started playing Home Run Derby with our pitchers. The Boston post-season debacles are well documented.

    Our saving grace this season has been owning the NL West sans the Dodgers (11-1 vs. the Rest of the West).

    The Yankees will be fine in the second half, but I won’t anoint them with a playoff berth now any less than I would the Angels. That said, the Yankees and Angels are great teams that will battle well into September — both have issues and problems that they’ll eventually work through and grind out.

    Word to the wise, though: Don’t drink the Halladay Kool-Aid…that would virtually guarantee vacation planning beyond September with all the arms, legs and firstborns subject to sacrifice at the altar.

  441. joe b July 13th, 2009 at 9:14 am

    Sept 21-27…3 vs LAA & 3 vs Boston…..Could be their swan song

  442. Tank July 13th, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Why can’t the yanks play like the angels? First to third all day? That’s right, they have a bunch of slow, old players! There’s two guys on the team with speed, a 35 year old and a first year full time player.

    Speed kills. Doing things like sac flys, bunts, situational hitting, great baserunning, are things that win games and championships.

    Perfect example, in 04, Dave Roberts single handedly kept Boston in that series and eventually won it just on his legs from off the bench.

  443. Bye Bye Yamkees! July 13th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    If Boston hadn’t boned their potential 10-0 homestand (they went 6-4). The Yankess most likely would have been 6 out at the break.

    but then again…it’s all relative!

    Great weekend for Boston! 3 from KC (and thank you Ankles!!! You never surprise us when you play the Yanks, but if you look at us the wrong way, we’ll sweep you out of the playoffs again!!!!!!!)

    Boston really does rule….don’t they?

    $130mil team salary….not too shabby!

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