Marte starting rehab assignment
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Forgot to mention this yesterday, but LHP Damaso Marte has started a rehab assignment in the Gulf Coast League.
Given that rehab assignments have deadlines, this would indicate that the Yankees believe his sore shoulder has healed.
Marte has not appeared in a big-league game since April 25. He had a 15.19 ERA in seven appearances.If he can come back, having two lefties in the bullpen would be a plus for Joe Girardi.
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The return of Pedro Martinez to baseball reminded today of one of my favorite sportswriting stories.
I was covering the Mets when Petey signed in 2005. He was still an ace then, going 15-8 with a 2.82 ERA and 208 strikeouts. He made NL hitters look silly with that change-up.
As the season wound down, he gathered all the beat writers to his locker and handed out business cards with his phone number on them. The cards said “Pedro J. Martinez, right-handed pitcher.”
“Only call me if you absolutely need me,” he said.
I called Pedro once that winter and, miraculously, he answered.
I still have that card, too. Trust me when I tell you, that’s the first and last time an athlete handed out cards with his number on them.
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Um, OK, Pete, but what did you ask him when you called and what did he say?
Given the state of the Mets pitching, I’m rather surprised that they didn’t bring him back. And what about our Yankees? I’m not sure how hard Pedro can throw at the moment, but wouldn’t he be a better alternative to any #5 starter the Yankees have in the wings??
Give us the number and we’ll all call Pedro to congratulate him.
Pedro: “Just call the Yankees my daddy”
Random thought: Any of you think the Giants could be players for Halladay?
They’ve got the prospects to get it done, and Halladay/Lincecum/Cain is that much more intimidating than Lincecum/Cain/Zito
…just a passing thought…feel like I’m probably missing something here…
11 weeks is a long time for a sore shoulder.
Any clue on what Marte has been doing all that time?
Man, I’m glad the Yanks didn’t get saddled with Zito’s contract…
Halladay/Linececum/Cain=Giants division champions and NL WS favorites.
Funny story, Pete. Pedro was one funny guy when he wasn’t beaning our hitters.
Doreen,
Saw your note, thanks.
One thing to remember is that Cash always brings in reinforcements to help for the second hand push. Hinske was a great pickup that helped replace Nady.
Does Cash stop there? Or does he reinforce the pitching from the outside.
Those who don’t want that need to cheer extra for Mitre when he comes up.
I’d probably get drunk and prank him.
*second half
of course it would be second hand help but it’s for the second half
Pedro is a true gentleman compared to the current crop of millionaire slugs on the faded baseball landscape of juiced up heroes. Trade Joba for Pedro any day!!!!!
Vernon Wells of
7 years/$126M (2008-14)
* 7 years/$126M (2008-14)
o signed extension with Toronto 12/06
o $25.5M signing bonus (paid in 3 $8.5M installments, March 1 2008-10)
o 08:$0.5M, 09:$1.5M, 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M
o full no-trade clause
o Wells may opt out of contract after 2011
o award bonuses: $0.25M for MVP, $0.2M for World Series MVP, $0.15M for LCS MVP, $0.1M for receiving most All-Star votes in league
o Wells to donate $143,000 annually to Blue Jays charity
http://www.baseball-reference......ve01.shtml
Not worth it.
I wonder if Jeter provides his business card. Unfortunately, it would be impossible to get through.
If I were the king of the world I would ban Geico from making commercials for one year…
no soup for you …one year!!!!!!!!!
Tarala Morganton July 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Pedro is a true gentleman compared to the current crop of millionaire slugs on the faded baseball landscape of juiced up heroes. Trade Joba for Pedro any day!!!!!
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Um okay?
Matty F. Jumanji, LoHud Yankees Blog Commenter.
Only reply to me if you absolutely need me.
Yanks have done alot of community outreach this year and are dedicating a week to it now. Very nice.
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p;c_id=nyy
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Reinforcement probably needed, but they have a little bit of time to evaluate Mitre or whoever before they make a decision. Also, to see who might be available at the last minute.
Long term contracts are for the birds. If NYY don’t win the WS in the next 3 years, watch for CC to opt out. It’s for the best, he should be done by then.
Pedro is a nit of a nutcase. Seems like that to me anyway.
Jennifer, LoHud Yankees Blog Commentator.
Only reply to me if you absolutely need me.
nit is bit.
pat
July 15th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
11 weeks is a long time for a sore shoulder.
Any clue on what Marte has been doing all that time?
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Hopefully keeping his legs and hips in condition to pitch.
Doreen,
I said “second hand”, not someone from the scrap heap.
Does anybody see the madness of trading Jesus for Doc? Doc gave up two runs last night in one of the biggest venues of baseball..next to Yankee Stadium. WE dont need him.
Will Swisher play a bigger role once Matsui and Damon are gone? Is that behemoth .227 avg going to haunt the 2010 season?
Awesome story Pete! That card should be in cooperstown!
I wouldn’t trade Jesus , but maybe we could find a Moses to trade for Doc.
Tarala-”Biggest venues”?
Come on, the ASG doesn’t matter. Nobody on the NL really cared that they lost.
Why is the idea of taking on Vernon Wells completely being dismissed in the discussion of trading for Halladay?
The Blue Jays are considering trading Halladay because they are strapped for cash. That means they would have to value trading Wells very highly. It would basically give them a clean slate to work with, and based on what free agents got last year (ex: Adam Dunn, Bobby Abreu), they could replace him with at least 2 very productive players and still save money.
I guess the big question is, how would taking on Wells affect what the Yankees would have to send the Blue Jays. Does it mean they Yankees wouldn’t have to give up Hughes or Joba?
I hope this is it for marte. That he is healthy and ready to contribute. We really need him.
Problem is someone will have to go down to make room.
Same story for mitre.
mitre up, robertson down.
marte up, tomko down?
Pat–
Where has Marte been? He has been practicing his Salsa with that dancer from Yankees on Deck.
Cashman is gonna do something.
Uncle Ellsworth
July 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
If I were the king of the world I would ban Geico from making commercials for one year…
no soup for you …one year!!!!!!!!!
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Ellie, you’re no Ronald Coleman, but, I agree with you.
gayle
He liked the Chicas.
If he comes back and can get outs, Arthur Murray for everybody!
Marte? Who is Marte? Never heard of him.
Who is Damaso Marte?
It feels like th offseason again with the Halladay sweepstakes.
I always thought Pedro seemed like a pretty good guy. I could be totally wrong though. I can just never shake that memory of him throwing billion year old Don Zimmer to the ground. I mean come on dude just walk away from the old man, restrain him yourself, or something. Don’t throw him to the ground. That’s Manny behavior right there. I don’t think I ever could look at Pedro the same way after I saw that incident.
Hey Damaso, why don’t jou have a dangce?
Pedro “The Old Man Tosser” Martinez.
I’m guessing Marte will be useless.
And Pedro can go to hell.
KO-I didn’t look at it as that bad. I figured that he was restraining himself from punching him.
“Pedro is a true gentleman compared to the current crop of millionaire slugs on the faded baseball landscape of juiced up heroes. Trade Joba for Pedro any day!!!!!”
This guy’s funny!
GreenBeret7
July 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Uncle Ellsworth
July 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
If I were the king of the world I would ban Geico from making commercials for one year…
no soup for you …one year!!!!!!!!!
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Ellie, you’re no Ronald Coleman, but, I agree with you.
I’m no Danny Hutton either or Jeremiah the Bullfrog for that matter
Pedro was protecting his Jerry Curl…
no.27
July 15th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Why is the idea of taking on Vernon Wells completely being dismissed in the discussion of trading for Halladay?
I agree it shouldn’t be dismissed. Wells is still a good CF with a high ceiling that he could perform as good as he did before his last 2 injury plagued seasons. He won 3 straight gold gloves and is still young. He is worth the risk. Especially if the Yanks didn’t have to include Jesus or perhaps even Joba. It is a money thing and a keep the younger guys thing. BTW, Wells would start in the Yankees outfield now and next year for sure. I mean the Yanks paid Abreu $15M a year and Wells IMO is better than Abreu.
Activator! I need more activator!
KO, you really need to watch that whole Zimmer thing again…Zummer runs at him like a train and Pedro basically dodges him and pushes him to the side (with hands to the face) but still, you can’t blame anyone but Zimmer for that one.
QUESTION:
What is the Red Sox equivalent to this Lohud Blog? I mean it is no secret that this is the most informative, most actively participated, most popular and just plain simply, BEST Yankees blog on the internet.
My question: Is there a Red Sox site like this one anywhere?
I would love to sneak on them (the enemy) from time to time.
ANY SUGGESTIONS?
Pedro J. Martinez, Mango Tree Philosopher
And I’m anxiously awaiting the triumphant return of Damaso Karsay.
if we take Wells with Halladay we shouldn’t I’d give them Shelley Duncan and Kei Igawa…
remove the “we shouldn’t” from that last post
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....llId=74660
what kind of bs question is this? How about should Tim have even been in the ASG. NOOOOO
“Problem is someone will have to go down to make room.
Same story for mitre.
mitre up, robertson down.
marte up, tomko down?”
I would guess the weekend + Monday has a lot to do with deciding who goes to Scranton for Mitre. Some kind of 4-game span to pitch all 3 of Robertson, Melancon and Tomko and then make a decision when a roster move is needed to get Mitre on the roster. It’s amazing that Tomko has survived this long while performing so poorly, and I bet he continues to hang around just because Melancon and Robertson have options. But, you never know. I would DFA Tomko for Mitre, then if Marte is ever ready keep whoever’s pitching the best out of D-Rob and Melancon.
Marte wasn’t good for the Yankees even when he’s healthy, so I view this as non-news.
Uncle Ellsworth
July 15th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
GreenBeret7
July 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Uncle Ellsworth
July 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
If I were the king of the world I would ban Geico from making commercials for one year…
no soup for you …one year!!!!!!!!!
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Ellie, you’re no Ronald Coleman, but, I agree with you.
I’m no Danny Hutton either or Jeremiah the Bullfrog for that matter
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That sucks. My second guess were that you really are Jeremiah Bullfrog.
Wells is awful. His numbers are worse than Melky’s and Gardner’s both at the plate and in the field. It would be awful to pick him up, as his performance would not merit him starting for the Yankees right now.
Dr. Cox…I think more Sox fans post here (at least 2) than any other “Sox blog”
Pedro is late to his own press conference. Great stuff.
Marte has been playing catch in Florida for a month. I think he is going for the catch world record
Pedro being Pedro
Let’s hope he doesn’t come close to the Pavano record.
If Pedro is being Pedro and Manny is being Manny, what is Jeter being? Cal Ripken Jr.? Or Tex? Or Cano?
Obviously there is something different about Pedro and Manny that only they can act like they actually act, so who do those people act like?
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That sucks. My second guess were that you really are Jeremiah Bullfrog.
but I always have some mighty fine wine
“Dr. Cox…I think more Sox fans post here (at least 2) than any other “Sox blog””
Hokiehill,
I gather that. But I still want to know the Red Sox blogs.
Any help anyone?
Wait:
With the possible exception of Teixeira, none of them are “acting”. It’s just who they are.
How were the Sox able to get Josh Beckett in his prime but somehow all these young star pitchers in their prime are completely off limits on the trade market? Was it timing? Luck? Or was it because the Sox offered a prospect (Hanley Ramirez) that the Marlins valued so highly that they were willing to forfeit someone like Beckett in his prime?
I mean, why couldn’t the Yankees offer up someone like Montero and get teams to at least consider moving a solid young pitcher with front end ability, someone like Josh Johnson?
Not only would I not want Halliday at the price of surrenderinf Montero, I can’t think of a single major league player 30 years of age or older for whom I’d endorse trading Jesus.
Hanley Ramirez? Absolutely, he’s a SS) Joe Mauer? Naturally, he’s a catcher. A first baseman or outfielder like Miguel Cabrera, Adrian Gonzales, Prince Cecil, Ryan Braun? Depending on the player’s health, probably.
Puljols? How could you not if his elbow doesn’t require reconstructive surgery?
The same would apply to any number of No. 1 pitchers who’ve already emerged as aces in the AL: Verlander, Greinke, King Felix, etc.
But as a rule, I wouldn’t relinquish Montero for any major league player above 27-28 years of age (perhaps Puljols excepted).
The Yankees’ farm system while improving, still, according to the farm gurus, is deficient in position players with power. In 2009, Montero : Yankees minor league position players = in 2006, Hughes: Yankees minor league pitching talent. Precious because rare.
Steve B.-Exactly. Pedro is being Pedro and Manny is being Manny, but somehow that’s special, like if you do weird things you laugh nad it makes you different.
Anyway, I have no idea if that’s really who any of them are.
Why do you think Tex is a fake?
Bret the Hitman-Ramirez for Beckett was a trade that worked out for both sides.
screw Pan Face Pedro
I hope his arm falls off and gets feed to some of the birds he bets on fights with
Pete was just on Sportscenter…
Ooh. Just saw a blurb at NESN.com (via mlbtr.com) saying what if the Red Sox sought out a trade for Carl Crawford.
Evil. Discuss.
http://www2.nesn.com/mlb/2009/.....situation/
Doc, Sons of Sam Horn?
money was more of an issue with the beckett deal…particularly the Sox taking Lowells $18mil contract…unless the Marlins are looking to unload another big contract and rebuild (again) they are not going to part with Johnson.
Crawford’s average would drop were he not on turf.
Great article: http://pinstripedbible.mlblogs.com/
Hokiehill
July 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
money was more of an issue with the beckett deal…particularly the Sox taking Lowells $18mil contract…unless the Marlins are looking to unload another big contract and rebuild (again) they are not going to part with Johnson.
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So the Yankees’ answer should be to find a similar situation where money is forcing a team to trade away top tier young pitching talent. If they can find a comparable scenario to the Beckett deal, why not offer up Montero?
“How were the Sox able to get Josh Beckett in his prime but somehow all these young star pitchers in their prime are completely off limits on the trade market?”
Fair question. Here’s another. What undesirable contract are you going to take on top of Johnson, while still giving away Montero and an upper echelon pitching prospect?
for example – the yankees (or any other team) win a game in walk off fashion – you would think since its a 24 hour baseball channel they would have enough time to show like every single base hit and play that lead to them winning instead of the usual 15 second clip….so they show the 15 second clip and then go into another joke fest making fun of dave valle when he hit an inside the park homerun or mitch williams when he fell on the mound scratching his butt..
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Sab brought this up in the last thread. Its a good point. MLB Network rules. I love their on air banter more than ESPNs and they can get into some good discussions depending on who is at the set on a given day. However he is right. We should get more than just normal highlight packages on MLB network. This is the kind of feedback you should be giving them. There is a lot of potential on the network and its already > ESPN, Fox, anything
If they could get 1 reporter and a camera into every lockerroom in the game that’d be terrific.
“So the Yankees’ answer should be to find a similar situation where money is forcing a team to trade away top tier young pitching talent. If they can find a comparable scenario to the Beckett deal, why not offer up Montero?”
It’s very similar what the Jays would ideally like to do with Halladay and Wells, although the Well contract is much worse than Lowell’s was and Halladay is a lot older than Beckett was. Plus, the economic times are different and very few teams are willing to add payroll and almost no teams are actively looking to do so. On top of that, a lot of teams are either in, or really close to being in the wild card race which means fewer teams are selling off talent this year
Dr Cox = Red Sox blog troll (hehehehehe)
“So the Yankees’ answer should be to find a similar situation where money is forcing a team to trade away top tier young pitching talent. If they can find a comparable scenario to the Beckett deal, why not offer up Montero?”
Actually Brett, the Fish don’t really have any hideous contracts on their books. Hanley Ramirez is the only guy locked in beyond 2010. Guess that’s the rub. Now if they went to Seattle and said Joba and Montero for Felix and this bad contract (read: Silva or Johjima), then they might have something.
Giuseppe Franco
July 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
DB July 15th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
GF, BS…way too many meltdowns and coming back from both teams. Yanks underperform against them. It’s you who has it backwards. I’d burn both teams at the cross if I could.
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You think so?
Do you really think the Red Sox are in the heads of Mariano Rivera? Jeter? Posada? Teixeira? A-Rod? Damon?
That’s baloney. I don’t believe that for a second.
Torre’s teams couldn’t beat the Angels either and that’s when they were winning rings.
It means jack. They are in the fans’ heads – not the players’ heads.
Were the Yanks in the Tribe’s heads in 2007 when they won the season series 6-0 but lost the ALDS to the Tribe in 4 games?
How about last season when the Angels beat the Red Sox 8-1 during the regular season but lost to the Red Sox in the ALDS.
Were the Angels in the Red Sox heads, too?
I tend to doubt it.
Sorry GF, was on lunch for the retort..
It absolutely has everything to do with confidence. There is no way to explain it. Once the BoSox beat the Yanks in 04 they no longer had the albatross on their back. Since then, we have been dominated by them in the Post Season. I remember in 03 when the Yanks beat them in 7 in the ALCS. Cashman was in an interview and he said “Boston folded like a cheap suit”. Why? That alone could have been used as the turning point for Boston, they sure didn’t fold like one the next year.
Ever since Scoscia has managed the Angels they have taken the underdog role against the Yanks. Confidence. There are too many examples to prove it.
Do I think Mo, Posada, Jeter, and all the core guys believe that? They will never admit it. But, check the records. Watch the games. You don’t fold with a 4 run lead in the 5th inning on consecutive days for no reason. Those two teams have the confidence and swagger against the Yanks. Minny is the complete opposite.
As Yogi said, half this game is 90% mental.
Something has to change in order for the Yanks to beat them. Sometimes its a key pick up, like David Justice. Sometimes its a freak event, like the Yanks blowing a 3 game lead to lose 4 in a row.
I love the MLB Network.
i heard yankees might get ian snell
More like Ian Smells
ian SMell
Sorry DB, I tend to agree w/Franco on this one. And we never agree.
Uncle Ellsworth
July 15th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
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That sucks. My second guess were that you really are Jeremiah Bullfrog.
but I always have some mighty fine wine
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Jeremiah, take that mighty fine bottle of wine and enjoy it with a great late ’30s movie, “If I Were King”. No popcorn, please. It would spoil the illusion. Try Frito’s instead.
ian snell …. ya dun want him??
“It’s very similar what the Jays would ideally like to do with Halladay and Wells”
It’s not though. Jays can’t expect a team to take Wells and give them much at all in return. JP isn’t packaging them. He’s using Halladay to rebuild his team. This isn’t a salary dump. It’s Ricciardi recognizing he’s not going to be able to go $18M – $20M on a pitcher after the 2010 season and using one of the game’s premium commodities to improve his teams prospects for the future.
Steve B
July 15th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
“How were the Sox able to get Josh Beckett in his prime but somehow all these young star pitchers in their prime are completely off limits on the trade market?”
Fair question. Here’s another. What undesirable contract are you going to take on top of Johnson, while still giving away Montero and an upper echelon pitching prospect?
Maybe it had something to do with Hanley Ramirez? You know the top rated Fantasy Baseball Player in the sport?
Can Jesus Montero even hold a candle to Ramirez? I don’t know, just asking.
Yanks need Halladay AND another starter. Then put Joba back in the bullpen.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....htm?page=2
Then explain it to me Wait Till. What’s the reason why we haven’t beat Boston or the Angels.. The three games early in the year against Anahiem doesn’t count. My Uncles softball team could have beat them they were so deflated after that tragedy.
Maybe it had something to do with Hanley Ramirez? You know the top rated Fantasy Baseball Player in the sport?
Can Jesus Montero even hold a candle to Ramirez? I don’t know, just asking.
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in 519 PA before being traded to the Marlins in the offseason @ AA : .271/.335/.385 (age 21)
(Hanley then went on to make the Marlins team out of spring training and did not spend any time in the minors for them)
yes I think Jesus can hold a candle to Ramirez. He is already doing it. 2 years younger.
watch Austin Jackson on espn 2 tonite
DB-The reason we didn’t beat them is because they played better.
What do you want tme to say?
And the three games earlier in the year DO count, fortunately. Otherwise we’d have two less wins.
“Can Jesus Montero even hold a candle to Ramirez? I don’t know, just asking.”
Who knows? That’s why they call ‘em prospects. I do know this though, nobody, not the Marlins, not the Red Sox, not anyone, thought the Hanley Ramirez who was toiling in the Eastern League with a .720 OPS would become the Hanley Ramirez we see today.
MLB network rocks. The best is when the player commentators are reminiscing and Matt V. chimes in with a Broadcaster story… Poor guy just wants to be one of the boys.
Just meant it doesn’t count as to why the Angels and Boston dominate us. It’s all about confidence. Those 3 games just furthers the point. Confidence is all pyschological.
Steve B, if the Jays thought anyone would take Wells they would do that with Halladay in a second…they wouldn’t get much in the way of tallent back directly from the trade, but the money they would save over the next couple of years could be used to pick up a lot more tallent at lower prices. The next best option is trade halladay alone and get all the tallent you can for him.
The thing about getting Doc is we could really solidify the bullpen. As a former starter, he could pitch two innings if needed and since he’ll be able to air it out a little more he could add a tick or too to his velocity and be even more dominant. He’d be the perfect 8th inning guy and bridge to Mo.
Bret the Hitman
July 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
How were the Sox able to get Josh Beckett in his prime but somehow all these young star pitchers in their prime are completely off limits on the trade market? Was it timing? Luck? Or was it because the Sox offered a prospect (Hanley Ramirez) that the Marlins valued so highly that they were willing to forfeit someone like Beckett in his prime?
I mean, why couldn’t the Yankees offer up someone like Montero and get teams to at least consider moving a solid young pitcher with front end ability, someone like Josh Johnson?
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Because Boston could get a shortstop on the open market, and they needed immediate pitching help. Florida needed salary relief and a shortstop and they had pitching ready to go….cheap, young pitching. Boston got a bonus in Lowell.
“If I Were King”.
I’ll check it out
BTW Joe Buck is the best. just ask him.
DB: Montero’s potential could exceed Hanley. Much too early to tell for sure.
Hokie:
If Ricciardi has these two choices:
1) Trade Halladay and get back 2 A and 2 B prospects
or
2) Trade Halladay and Wells and get a couple B/C guys and some minor league roster filler
He’s taking #1 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
“Boston got a bonus in Lowell.”
It may have turned out to be a bonus, but that’s not what they were thinking at the time…
DB-We didn’t beat them because they were deflated. We beat them because their bullpen was a mess and they had lots of players on the DL. How do we know how they felt? Maybe they were playing harder for the kid.
If confidence is so important, please explain all those examples that Franco gave about teams who’ve been dominated in the regualr season only to win in the playoffs. also explain, as you did in your example about 04′, how the Yankees beat out the Sox for the division in 05′.
We happened not to be playing well when we played these teams and lost. I doubt there’s some magical explanation to it.
Maybe, I’m not sure though.
Well after some quick research, it was a “market correction” by the Marlins. They wanted to dump Lowell and offered Beckett as bait. They really liked Hanley though.
Wow, was that a steal for Boston
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2232211
Even of Montero is tauted as Ramirez then (don’t think so) there are no teams looking to fire sale that have a young stud who is 2 years away from FA.
Uncle Ellsworth
July 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
“If I Were King”.
I’ll check it out
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It’s a good fictional bio about King Louis XI of France and French poet Francois Villon. Basil Rathbone plays King Louis and Ronald Coleman plays Villon (famous line: “Ahhh!!! If I were king….”
They got Beckett!? now we must get Halladay
Ian Snell would be an okay pickup in that he he would (hopefully) not cost much of anything consequential in prospects and could log some decent innings out of the back end of the rotation. I would much prefer someone like Bannister or Doug Davis to him, but if all else fails…
Snell seems pretty awful.
Steve B:
If Ricciardi has these two choices:
1) Trade Halladay and get back 2 A and 2 B prospects
or
2) Trade Halladay and Wells and get a couple B/C guys and some minor league roster filler
He’s taking #1 every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Not necessarily. If he got rid of Wells along with Doc, that’s an extra 30 million or so a year he can spend another way. That’s not chump change. It’s an indication of how bad Wells’ contract really is.
That’s signing 15m Jason Bay and 12-15m pitcher. Or dealing for a Jake Peavy with the ability to sign him long term.
That’s not a bad deal for him at all.
Andrew (and anyone else who doesn’t know Ian Snell)
Snell was sent down to AAA by Pittsburgh after going 2-6 or so and posting a 5+ ERA. In the NL.
How is that better than what we have already?
The only reason you don’t think he’s trash is that he doesn’t play for the Yankees. If he did, you’d be saying we need to get rid of this scrub.
“Snell” and “decent innings” should not be in the same sentence…this only makes sense if we give up nothing, and I mean nothing.
we don’t need Smell because we have better options, like Mitre and/or Aceves.
If you pick Snell up now you could have him assigned to AAA first, then see where you are in terms of Joba’s performance, Wang’s health, and whoever is the temporary #5 guy (for now we assume Mitre). If Joba keeps laying stink bombs, you have someone with ML experience who might be able to help in the short-term if you feel like banishing Joba to AAA for a little while.
If Mitre flops as the #5, you have another arm ready that isn’t Kei Igawa. If, hypothetically, Snell shows up and they like the way he is throwing in Scranton for a few weeks he just adds depth more than anything.
Plus, his dedication to the Buckos has pretty much vanished to the point where he was asking to stay in Indianapolis rather than get recalled to Pittsburgh–he hates pitching for the Pirates. Perpahs a change of scenery = improvement, but even improvement would only make him a decent #5 candidate.
when the redsox got beckett they HAD to take on lowell’s contract – lowell the year before had a david ortiz type of year (the year he was having until the yankees woke his bat up in june) – everyone claimed he was done.
I don’t think Vernon Wells is THAT bad – he has what like 9-10 homeruns already this year – Lowell had 8 homeruns the ENTIRE year that year. Yes Wells is making about 8 more million dollars than Lowell was making back then but keep in mind Wells has been hurt the last 2 years and maybe hasn’t been 100% healthly and back to his normal self yet.
Lowell, of course (it is the redsox of course – look at nick green), has arguably been just as good or even better than Beckett the last few years so it turned out good.
the point is what if Wells is just about or close to being what he was 3 years ago – when he hit like 30 hr’s and 100 rbi? wouldn’t that be worth what he’s making?
one last thing – he played in 108 games last year (again he was hurt)and had 20hrs, 78rbi, hit .300 and had an 840 OPS – thats not too bad for a CF…if you extend those numbers to 162 games its 30hrs and 117 rbi – that would be more than enough for the yankees to then have melky and gardner in the OF as well…
This is totally unrelated to the Halladay discussion (which honestly, I’m starting to tire of), but how cool was it that Mo got cheered in St Louis as if he were a Cardinal player. Goes to show how much respect the baseball fan community has for his greatness.
GGBG:
If you think they are in the position of having to dump salary, what makes you think ownership would allow them to reinvest the entire $30M in other players? What if his boss says “you can only reinvest $18M of that $30M you just moved”?
If Ricciardi moves just Halladay, he could end with Wells, Joba, Ajax and a couple good, but lower level minors for $12M-$13M less than what it cost him to have Wells and Halladay.
The Yankees don’t need Halladay but they do need another pitcher.
Adding Halladay would be great but they already spent 243mil on CC and AJ. Do we real think they should throw another 100+mil at Halladay and give up 3-4 other good players too.
I think this is not the best idea and against what the Yankees have been saying about getting younger.
Let’s hope that this Mitre guy can give them some 5-6 innings as the #5, Andy and Joba start pitching better, and Wanger can make a come back.
Not all of this is going to work out but if 2 out of 4 do, the Yankees should make the playoffs.
Once you make the playoffs anything can happen. We’ve seen the Yankees get hot for 2-3 week streches. They have a lot more fight this year. They can win it all without Halladay.
DB,
That’s all bunk. It means nothing.
No, I don’t believe for a minute that the Red Sox or Angels are in the Yanks’ heads.
They are in the fans’ heads, especially yours.
I gave you several examples why regular season records mean jack once the postseason begins.
It’s just one of those freakish things that can’t be explained. Very similar to the Yanks unexplained dominance over a very good Twins team year after year under Gardenhire.
I can say with 100% certainty that the Yanks aren’t in the heads of Mourneau and Mauer. No question about that.
Wait till, then how do we get swept by them when two of their All Stars just went on the DL? Their Bullpen was a mess because they were still reeling from the whole tragic loos of that poor young kid. Did you see their faces on the bench during that series?
Beating a team out during the season isn’t the same. The record has 140 games against other teams. When push comes to shove in big games both teams dominate us. It’s a fact right now. Can it change? Absolutely. Will it change? It remains to be seen.
What has to happen for it to change? Yanks get Halladay? Media doesn’t portray the Yanks as the Evil Empire? Joe Girardi suddenly having a brother who needs a heart transplant? (just kidding obviously)
Favre needs to go to the cornfield
I hate when the blog moves really slow (as in, not many posters).
DB
July 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Well after some quick research, it was a “market correction” by the Marlins. They wanted to dump Lowell and offered Beckett as bait. They really liked Hanley though.
Wow, was that a steal for Boston
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=2232211
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Wow had Beinfest held out for Lester maybe he would have got him and then Florida would have got the best of that deal.
DB-It happens all the time, teams get dominated in the regular season then are beaten in the playoffs.
Why did it happen? Simple. We did not play good baseball at the time, and baseball has been around for so long that in the 100+ years the game has been played it was bound to happen eventually that a team kept losing to another team. If we keep winning enough games anyway then I’d put even money on us in the playoffs.
Their bullpen was bad before the kid passed away (early I know, but still). It’s still bad. But the whole team got better.
Ichiro went to put flowers on the grave of George Sisler while in St Louis. Ichiro broke his single season hit record.
Lets trade Joba and Ajax for Washburn, bedard, and Ichiro
GF, Just one of those freak things is not an explanation. It happens all the time in sports. Any player will tell you how much confidence means in any competitive sport. Your fan explanation is irrelevant.
You don’t think the Yanks were in Pedros head in 03?
Pedro: “Just call the Yankees my daddy”
Does that sound like a guy without a team in his head? He just had enough juevos to admit it.
I love Ichiro’s quirky behavior:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4329684
He also said to stop blaming the WBC for Daisuke’s shoulder problem.
m
July 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I love Ichiro’s quirky behavior:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4329684
He also said to stop blaming the WBC for Daisuke’s shoulder problem.
cool article but it says AllStar weekend MOn tues = Weekend?
Uncle,
Just linked the article. Sisler’s family traveled to Seattle to watch the record fall. He was very honored.
In the article he talks about meeting the president and hopes his manager (who happens to be half Japanese) will let them wear jeans because Obama was wearing them at the game.
yankees need to stop trading with the pirates – its getting a little ridiculous not to mention they have just about every minor league pitcher the yankees have put on waivers the last 6 months…
the pirates are like the girl you would call when you were in high school to fool around with just after you broke up with your real girlfriend…
“If Joba keeps laying stink bombs, you have someone with ML experience who might be able to help in the short-term if you feel like banishing Joba to AAA for a little while.
If Mitre flops as the #5, you have another arm ready that isn’t Kei Igawa.”
honestly, I would just assume throw Igawa out there over Snell…Igawa = someone with ML experience who may be able to help in the short term as much as Snell does and he doesn’t cost us any players.
If the Pirates want to give us all their half decent players, I’d be cool with it.
DB July 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
GF, Just one of those freak things is not an explanation. It happens all the time in sports. Any player will tell you how much confidence means in any competitive sport. Your fan explanation is irrelevant.
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You can try to rationalize it and play amateur psychiatrist all you like but here’s something I do know….
Nobody on that club is thinking about the Red Sox and Angels right now and wondering why they haven’t played well against them.
I can guarantee you that.
That game is for the psyched out fans who decide it’s a really big deal and want to make an issue of it all season.
The players don’t really care what the Red Sox or Angels are doing until the week they play them. It’s the fans who constantly worry about it a month before the teams are scheduled to meet again.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 15th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
If the Pirates want to give us all their half decent players, I’d be cool with it.
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thats the problem – the redsox get their half decent players – we get the ones with the elbow injuries and who can’t lift 25 pounds of weights…
m
July 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Uncle,
Just linked the article. Sisler’s family traveled to Seattle to watch the record fall. He was very honored.
In the article he talks about meeting the president and hopes his manager (who happens to be half Japanese) will let them wear jeans because Obama was wearing them at the game.
m same wavelenght
sab-Nady and Marte was a really freak thing, and Hinske isn’t bad.
When I was lamenting getting swept by the Angels to my rabid Red Sox fan sister, she reminded me that last year the Angels had the Red Sox for lunch during the regular season…the play offs were a different story.
and Hinske isn’t bad.
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Yet
upstate kate
July 15th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
When I was lamenting getting swept by the Angels to my rabid Red Sox fan sister, she reminded me that last year the Angels had the Red Sox for lunch during the regular season…the play offs were a different story.
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the only difference with the yankees is that the Angels have had the yankees for lunch in the regular season AND the playoffs in the last 7 years..and thats who they will probably be facing if the yankees make the wildcard..
by the way cool name…
GF, with out a doubt. I’m not saying that they worry about them. I’m talking head to head here. That’s when it comes into play. When players step up and others choke.
Joe and Evan are like releif pitchers or bench players that have been overexposed.
K Jones needs her own show too.
Stultus-He’s a bench player. If he eprformas admirably on the bench, I’ll be happy.
DB July 15th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
GF, with out a doubt. I’m not saying that they worry about them. I’m talking head to head here. That’s when it comes into play. When players step up and others choke.
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I think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill.
Different sport, but John Elway and Peyton Manning were labeled choke artists during their careers, too.
I can assure you guys like Jeter, Mo, Posada, Teixeira and the core doesn’t have nightmares about the Red Sox or Angels.
Only the fans do.
You guys think Pedro was just defending himself or w/e???? Uh yeah I respectfully disagree. Watch it again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb8Tpt6lEjg
totally unnecessary force used by Pedro. I mean he grabbed Zimmer by the head and threw him to the ground. He could have easily just sidestepped him, or grabbed Zimmer and just held him, etc etc….. no reason to use that much force on an old man… I mean I understand Zimmer was way out of line, but seriously how much damage could he really do? Not much.
sab-The playoffs are a fickle thing. I wouldn’t necessarily lament and call the series lost if we had to face the Angels.
Pete talk about making a batter look silly,Mariano with Hawpe. The guy didn’t know what hit him.
Concerning Pedro,I read his pitches are in the range of
83-8 6 mph.which is ok for the NL,as long as you locate,but not in the AL.
Hallady,I can’t help noticing,the ownership won’t allow anyone to speak with him,until after the deal.What are they holding back?
The Yankees just recently beat him,why? I think the Yankees played him well,but can’t help wondering if he’s in decline.
All Star Game,of all the pitcher’s he was scored on,is this just a moment,or would the Yankees be getting someone at the age of 32,that’s showing cracks in their arsenal.
I hope the Yankees get the pitching help they need,if that’s Halladay so be it.
Here’s hoping he has no secret arm problem,and Cashman hasn’t given away the farm to get him.
KO-Like you said, Zimmer was way out of line.
I didn’t say he was just defending himself, I’m saying he could have done much worse but of course he didn’t. That’s all.
DB,
I think you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Different sport, but John Elway and Peyton Manning were labeled choke artists during their careers, too.
I can assure you guys like Jeter, Mo, Posada, Teixeira and the core doesn’t have nightmares about the Red Sox or Angels.
Only the fans do.
Ken Singleton told a good story when the Yanks were in Texes. He said when Nolan Ryan was on the mound, just before he would pitch, he would walk toward the opposing teams dugout and just stare in. It was all a mind game. When you are on the field it’s one pitcher against one batter, it’s all a head game. That is what makes baseball so great.
haiku man-
Mo throws Hawpe pitches
Hawpe doesn’t know what hit him
Ended by Sandman…
Sorry, but Pedro is way more out of line there than Zimmer. That’s a weak, elderly midget of a man. You don’t throw someone like that to the ground, period. All he did was run at him. Pedro was in ZERO danger.
Hallady,I can’t help noticing,the ownership won’t allow anyone to speak with him,until after the deal.What are they holding back?
Nothing. That’s the way its played. Once they have a deal in place they’ll give a team a window to sign him if Doc doesn’t accept it outright.
They have nothing to gain to allow teams to negotiate with him before having a deal in place.
DB
July 15th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Ken Singleton told a good story when the Yanks were in Texes. He said when Nolan Ryan was on the mound, just before he would pitch, he would walk toward the opposing teams dugout and just stare in. It was all a mind game. When you are on the field it’s one pitcher against one batter, it’s all a head game. That is what makes baseball so great.
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Papelbum tries to do the same thing with his silly Zoolanderish “Blue Steel” stare, but I think he just looks dumb
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 15th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
sab-The playoffs are a fickle thing. I wouldn’t necessarily lament and call the series lost if we had to face the Angels.
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well if the alternative is to face the tigers with verlander and jackson going in games 1 & 2 i may be happier facing the angels….
i really am worried about the folks on the blog if the yankees lose the first 2 games friday and saturday when they have to face verlander and jackson…
Haiku Man,
“Hallady,I can’t help noticing,the ownership won’t allow anyone to speak with him,until after the deal.What are they holding back?
The Yankees just recently beat him,why?”
1. The guy was just coming off a 4 week lay off and facing a red hot team?
2. Yankee Stadium 09 is a launch pad?
I truly believe that once you get to the playoffs you have the same 1/8 chance as the other teams who made it that far of winning the world series.
Once the postseason begins, its the team who gets hot that wins
KO that video is the exact moment,when Ilost respect for Pedro.I don’t wish him well.
Only in this country is it ok to use age as a weapon against people.That was somebody’s grandfather at el, he threw to the ground,over a baseball game.
I’m not calling the guy a Saint but Zimmer charged him so he threw him to the ground. He could have done worse.
Erica-I agree.
Erica – always OPPC
July 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I truly believe that once you get to the playoffs you have the same 1/8 chance as the other teams who made it that far of winning the world series.
Once the postseason begins, its the team who gets hot that wins
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come on now – you wouldn’t feel a little more confident if the yankees played the twins or rangers in that 5 game series than the angels or tigers?
True Erica, but what gets a team “hot”? Then its no longer a 1/8 chance is it. It’s the more confident, “hot” team.
Fak Youk had an ingenious article on the many faces of Papelbon relating him to the lockness monster. The guy is a butt hole.
sab-Of course, WE’D feel better…but if you’re in the playoffs you have to be a pretty good team, so if you become the hottest team durng the postseason you’re in really good shape!
Laura, I was watching, but I didn’t hear him get cheered – was he really cheered that loudly? That’s great…….the players all looked at Mo in awe. Did you see Joe Nathan with a big grin on his face? He said some very nice things about Mo recently when he got his 500th save…..I wish I had a screen cap of the players watching Mo – forget the game MVP, that’s nothing. When you can get major leaguers to be that in awe of you, you know you are special. I’m still laughing about that ridiculous pitch to Hawpe…..
DB-I disagree. What gets a team “hot” is when they’re playing really well. That’s how the Rockies made it to the WS and that’s how the Phillies won it. The Rockies weren’t the best team in the NL and the Rays were better than the Phillies.
A healthy Marte is going to help this club….I have no doubt. Also, as soon as the rules allow, I want Robertson sent down and Alby brought up.
If it was only a 1/8th chance, Vegas would lose ALOT of money. But, your right. People win and Vegas loses when the hot more confident team wins.
From May 23 2006 to August 21st 2006 the red sox went 1 – 9 vs the Yankees and were outscored 82 – 52 by the yankees.
Do you think we were in their heads? Or was it just one of those things?
“Laura, I was watching, but I didn’t hear him get cheered – was he really cheered that loudly?”
He did. Not as loud as Pujols obviously, but pretty loud for a guy that never played in STL. You can watch the introductions on MLB.com.
Jerkface-1 of those things. They HAPPEN.
Exactly wait till, you prove my point again. Why were they playing well? They weren’t better on paper? They were confident, which made them hot.
Wakefield not pitching had a lot to do with not having a catcher for him,or you’re looking at a NL win.
DB-Um, or they were hot, which maade them confident.
Chicken or egg. I go w/playing well made them confident. The were not the best teams but because they were playing better than the other teams were they won.
1 a in made.
Wakefield not pitching had a lot to do with that he won a lifetime achievement award for being mediocore for a million seasons. Not a real all-star, doesnt need to pitch in the game.
“Once the postseason begins, its the team who gets hot that wins”
Recent Yankees history says otherwise. For example, they went into the ‘06 postseason absolutely smoking while the Tigers spent the month of September turning a 5 game AL Central lead into a Wild Card birth. Yanks ended up getting drilled.
Conversely, the 2000 Yankees finished the regular season losing 15 of their last 18…..then rolled to their 26th title.
Jerkface-I agree.
Steve B-And when they went to the playoffs, they got really hot.
The 2000 Yankees were not the best team. They weren’t playing well. Then they got to the playoffs and got hot.
I think most people have a problem with the concept because they want to quantify baseball as statistics. It’s the mental part people shy away from. Also, it comes off sounding defeatist that the Yanks are pwnd by Boston and the Angels. I’m just stating the reality of the situation. It needs to change and it has to change.
Get Halladay already. If not, coup some other player of a team out of contention. Just get us a winner. Someone hungry. Paul ONiell was that guy. So was Justice. Jeter just wants to be friends with everybody and Posada no longer got any backers on the team. Tex might be the guy.
I loved what Tex did against Padilla. Thats what we need more of.
DB-No, I have a problem w/it because I don’t think it’s true and it’s shown not to be true many times. Nothing to do with quantifying baseball into statistics, at least speaking for myself.
There should have been a disclaimer with Wakefield’s selection to the ASG: “Catcher included”
You’ll get’em next year Timmy!!!!
Beckett 11-3
Wake 11-3
Not too shabby!
hot or not – good or not – i’d feel a little more confident if the twins and rangers would finish first in their divisions – heck i’ll go as far as saying i hope the rays finish first (if the yankees don’t) just so that the yankees won’t have to face the redsox in the ALCS…not that i don’t think they’d win (well maybe just a little – without halladay) but i just don’t want the redsox fans to get another notch on their belt against the yankee fans – plus i really couldn’t live through a 7 game series going to 2 am in the morning each game and having to go to work the next day..
just my point of view on the pedro/zimmer thing…in the heat of the moment – when you literally have about 3 seconds to make a decision – its hard to distinguish between what is the “right” thing to do regardless of whether its a 70 year old man or a 4 foot midget charging you ( i won’t say a 7 ft 300 pound wrestler because the right thing to do at that point is run)- you kind of go into “battle” mode and the first priority is to protect yourself – although pedro was “wrong” i guess he could have lined up and smashed zimmer in the face with a right hook too – that would have been absolutely horrible….so yes he was a jerk but with only 3 seconds to decide i think he did the best he could without injuring zimmer too much and protecting himself as well…
Does not Mauer catch kn baller
in Minnie??
but seriously who cares?
Oh and the first pitch vote thing there is no doubt that the mayor of Cincinnati should win hands down
The Inquizator-4.31 ERA=shabby.
sloooooow day
In 2007, the Yanks played Cleveland. They were 6-0 against Cleveland that season and everyone thought it was in the bad. We all know what happened there.
The 2007 Rockies had an unbelieveable September steak to win the wild card. They steamrolled thru the NLDS and the NLCS. They were so hot I believe they had a 6 day wait until the WS started. Then they calmed down and lost to a team I will not name
Jerkface
July 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
From May 23 2006 to August 21st 2006 the red sox went 1 – 9 vs the Yankees and were outscored 82 – 52 by the yankees.
Do you think we were in their heads? Or was it just one of those things?
And the Red Sox didnt make the postseason because of it. Thanks for proving my point further.
DB
July 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Jerkface
July 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
From May 23 2006 to August 21st 2006 the red sox went 1 – 9 vs the Yankees and were outscored 82 – 52 by the yankees.
Do you think we were in their heads? Or was it just one of those things?
And the Red Sox didnt make the postseason because of it. Thanks for proving my point further.
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Actually, in 2006 the Sox didn’t make the playoffs because injuries caught up to them and Manny didn’t feel like playing anymore. But that’s just Manny being Manny right
DB-That Red Sox team didn’t make the postseason because of that, but I have no idea how that means we were in their heads. All that means to me is that we beat them a lot and as a result they didn’t win enough games to make the postseason.
DB,
You completely blow up your entire argument when you suggest guys who have four rings on their fingers are psyched out by the Red Sox or Angels.
I can assure you Jeter, Mo, Posada, Pettitte, etc, etc. are not fazed by those teams.
The Yanks haven’t lost a season series against the Red Sox since 2003. Tell me exactly how that streak has helped this Yankee team win rings since then?
That’s why it’s all hogwash. You are making way too much of a non-issue. Imagine that for a Yankee fan.
Stop with the amateur psychiatrist schtick. The only people who lose their hair over this stuff is the fans – not the players.
Jerkface
July 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
From May 23 2006 to August 21st 2006 the red sox went 1 – 9 vs the Yankees and were outscored 82 – 52 by the yankees.
Do you think we were in their heads? Or was it just one of those things?
And the Red Sox didnt make the postseason because of it. Thanks for proving my point further.
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The Red Sox finished the season 8 – 11 vs the Yankees. Even with a 1 – 9 hole in the middle of the season they managed to go 7 – 2 in the other games. It would probably be their 4-5 record vs Kansas City, 1 – 5 record vs Minnesota, and 3 and 7 record vs Oakland.
Now imagine if we went 7-2 the rest of the way vs the red sox. We’d win the division by 5 games.
06 is more the reason why the Yanks dumped Torre. Confidence was gone in the playoffs. 07 put the final nail in his coffin. His interviews made me writhe around the playoffs. No confidence whatsoever.
Where was the confidence of 96 when he gauranteed to Big Stein that they’d win the next 4 after getting blown out the first 2?
Everything runs in cycles. Boston had a long cycle of 86 years without a World Series championship. The current cycle for them will see Gammons drink himself to oblivion.
DB July 15th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
06 is more the reason why the Yanks dumped Torre. Confidence was gone in the playoffs. 07 put the final nail in his coffin. His interviews made me writhe around the playoffs. No confidence whatsoever.
Where was the confidence of 96 when he gauranteed to Big Stein that they’d win the next 4 after getting blown out the first 2?
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Stein came in to proclaim a must-win game. Torre smiled and told him:
“Atlanta’s my town. We’ll win three games there and come back here and finish it.”
Big Stein walked out of the room speechless.
DB-Perhaps he had no confidence BECAUSE his team was losing.
Giuseppe Franco
July 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
DB,
You completely blow up your entire argument when you suggest guys who have four rings on their fingers are psyched out by the Red Sox or Angels.
Not true, they haven’t won in 8 years and things change. I’m just trying to say something has got to change. I’m not trying to physco-analyze the whole team here.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
DB-That Red Sox team didn’t make the postseason because of that, but I have no idea how that means we were in their heads. All that means to me is that we beat them a lot and as a result they didn’t win enough games to make the postseason.
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hope that doesn’t happen in 2009 with the yankees…thats why every game counts – from april 6 all the way through september 28….
speaking of every game – i read some bloggers saying that resting posada and damon last sunday was the right thing to do because it will help them in september..giving them 5 days of rest blah blah blah…how in the heck is resting one extra day in july – when you have the next 4 days off – going to help you in september? isn’t the 4 days off enough? will you be allowed to “bank” the extra day come september – will you be able to play one more game in september because you had one more day off in july? i don’t think so…if posada and damon were rested to get an extra day off then that is just assinine…i can’t sleep 4 extra hours tonight and think it will make a difference on september 24 if i stay up all night…posada and damon will need just as many days off in september as they would if they played last sunday…rest isn’t something you can carry over to another month…if posada was sat because he can’t throw people out (molina didn’t throw anyone out either by the way)then thats another story – but if you rested him so he is fresher in september than that is just a dumb reason…especially with 4 days of rest coming up.
sab-Every game DOEs count. My point is that even if they go winless vs. the Sox and Angels as long as they make the playoffs anyway anything can happen.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
DB-Perhaps he had no confidence BECAUSE his team was losing.
Huh?
Sab: Muscles are different from your brain. (more useful for one ! ) Damon has lingering calf and knee injuries. If you keep playing on them they will never heal and then he will be done in september. Resting him now gave him all that extra time to stay off his legs.
And catcher is a physically demanding position. If you rest him now then he might stay stronger down the stretch. Catchers generally fade, batting average and power go down.
We need Posada’s bat.
It makes sense.
We also had both every game except Sundays well in hand. So its not really a valid point.
‘Do you think we were in their heads? Or was it just one of those things?
And the Red Sox didnt make the postseason because of it. Thanks for proving my point further”
Boston didn’t make the playoffs that year for much the same reason the Yankees didn’t make it last year. They had only 2 pitchers make 30 starts and they had 40 games started by either Kyle Snyder, Julian Tavarez, Len DiNardo, Jason Johnson, Devern Hansack, David Pauley, Kevin Jarvis, or Kason Gabbard.
DB-As in, they entered and he realized that they weren’t playing well, so he wasn’t confident they’d win.
Anything CAN happen in the Post Season. Can we bank on Girardi having this team ready to go and playing well come October 2nd? (there, I took out the pyscho babble).
When in 96, when he gauranteed they won? I just gave you an example to the exact contrary to what you said.
jerkface – they had 4 days of rest coming up – muscles won’t be more healthier with an extra 24 hours – they’ll still need 5 or 6 days in septmeber to rest – molina had caught the day before or before that- its not that damon and posada were run into the ground the previous few weeks – if anything the game before a 4 day rest is the best time to play them as they’ll get 4 days of rest after that –
just my opinion…but having posada and damon playing that day may have made a difference…
DB-If the Rockies and Phillies can do it, the Yankees can.
Let’s make a list of some of the crazy post season things we have seen as Yankee fans in the last 13 years that no one ever would have predicted (in order of Erica’s memory)
1) November walk-offs
2) Aaron Boone swinging at the first pitch and it landing on the other side of the fence (for the record, I was getting water in the kitchen cause I figured I had some time before anything happened)
3) Bugs attacking Joba (ugh)
4) Pedro bodyslamming old men
5) Back to back 9th inning comebacks in the 2001 WS
There is much more. But its 5:07 and I would like to leave work now. YAY!
DB-Lou Pinella (I think I’m missing a letter, but whatever) in 01 I beleive guranteed the Mariners would take it to a game seven.
He was wrong.
Is it Friday yet?
A quick look at at Ian Snell’s stats make me think this guy probably wouldn’t be much help down the stretch.
S.A.–Relax, Relate, Release
July 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Is it Friday yet?
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NO
we need new topics/rumors
A quick look through the dumpster and I’ve found Ian Snell.
It has taken me all day, but I am finally nearly done with my second half preview–just have to get through Robertson, Tomko and give a brief mention of Melancon and Albaladejo…
Jerkface July 15th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
A quick look through the dumpster and I’ve found Ian Snell.
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Did you happen to find Igawa next to him?
“Let’s make a list of some of the crazy post season things we have seen as Yankee fans in the last 13 years that no one ever would have predicted (in order of Erica’s memory)”
Some others:
Jeter’s flip
Losing a 3-0 lead in the ALCS
Leyritz’s homer off of Wohlers (it changed everything)
Jeff Maier
Griffey scoring from first on that double in ‘05
Tony Clark’s double bouncing into seats in Boston.
Tino’s salami off of Kevin Brown.
Clemens throwing half a bat at Piazza
The Phillies had all the confidence of the world beating up on the Mets. I don’t know anything about the Rockies to guess what their deal was, other than was one hell of a streak.
Yanks CAN do it. Reading the tea leaves right now, we need intervention. And it will have to happen in the Playoffs against either the RS or the Angels. It is mathmatically impossible for us to not face them if they both make it.
I refuse to say “well, I hope the Red Sox and Angels don’t make it.” The road to paradise is through those two teams and the Dodgers. Now THAT would be interesting….Yankees vs. Dodgers.
My moment in the WS was when the Mets played “Who let the dogs out” to get the fans excited and Jeter smacked the first pitch over the wall for a homer. Now that was classic.
Cashman looks tiny compared to Jesus:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....r_bri.html
Who do you like better
Eddie Money
or
Journey?
And of course by Kevin Brown, I mean Mark Langston.
Now THAT would be interesting….Yankees vs. Dodgers.
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Honestly, I know some people on this blog really want to stick it to Torre, but I do NOT want to see this. Way too many mixed emotions all around.
Now THAT would be interesting….Yankees vs. Dodgers.
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Honestly, I know some people on this blog really want to stick it to Torre, but I do NOT want to see this. Way too many mixed emotions all around.
the 2000 Yankees finished the regular season losing 15 of their last 18…
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Sounds like the Mets of the last couple years. They should have won it all in ‘07 and ‘08…
I went to one of the Mets v Mariners games last season, Oliver Perez got rocked. We had seats really close to the mets dugout so in between innings this kid is yelling “Pedro throw me something, throw me something” He shrugs spits his gum into his hand and throws it back. Funniest thing I ever saw a baseball player do
Bernies Walkoff in the Maier game
Chambliss WO
Leyritz WO in Seattle game
Brian Doyle!
Uncle Ellsworth
July 15th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Who do you like better
Eddie Money
or
Journey?
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Is Neither an option?? I like songs by both of them, but I am a fan of neither. But I guess if you were putting a gun to my head, I would go with Journey
NYY626
July 15th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Now THAT would be interesting….Yankees vs. Dodgers.
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Honestly, I know some people on this blog really want to stick it to Torre, but I do NOT want to see this. Way too many mixed emotions all around.
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I agree. Torre looked like he was on the edge of crying just watching Mo pitch last night
(Yes, I am leaving work as soon as I stop finding things to reply to)
Paul O’neill seemingly injured durring every post season.
“Leyritz WO in Seattle game”
Even better, Sierra’s double with 2 outs in the 12th inning of the same game to tie it up.
Great examples of October craziness. Like FOX always reminds us, “You can’t script October baseball”
Tom in N.J.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Paul O’neill seemingly injured durring every post season.
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But he always played through. I still have goosebumped thinking about that final postseason game at Yankee Stadium
Finally finished! That took way, way too long.
Eddie Money
or
Journey?
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Is Neither an option?? I like songs by both of them, but I am a fan of neither. But I guess if you were putting a gun to my head, I would go with Journey
YES
My friends and I Use “Eddie Money” as a way to express disinterest or nuetral feeling toward something as in “How was the movie?” “eh Eddie Money”
So you’d fit right in.
I’d put Journey below EM though
# Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus July 15th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Finally finished! That took way, way too long.
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Congrats Rebecca! Sounds like a tough write-up.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 15th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
DB-Lou Pinella (I think I’m missing a letter, but whatever) in 01 I beleive guranteed the Mariners would take it to a game seven.
He was wrong.
At least he tried, the Mariners had Patriots syndrome that year. The difference in that series was Ichiro crawling under a rock. Maybe he should have called him out on it. It takes more than a guy gauranteeing a victory for it to happen. You need guys believing in him. A la Mark Messier or Joe Torre in 96.
Cool Rebecca, I’ll give it a read. Dig your writing.
In 2007, David Wright said at the ASB that the NL needed to win the ASG so the Mets would have home field advantage during the WS. He caught a lot of crap for that statement.
And it turned out to be a fallacy.
And with that I am finally leaving work. Catch you all later!
I don’t want to stick it to Torre, but he’d be in our way. No way I want to lose to him either.
Marte is now getting over the departure of Veras to the Indians. He was real depressed for awhile.
Joba,Montero & AJ for Doc…..I’ll do that trade in a New York minute….hello World Series
VB: five seperate posts of extrodinary length…heh, I thought last night I could do it all in one post! Entire thing took nine hours…
DB: Thanks man, I appreciate it.
Now I can go back to LoHuddin’ and wasting time
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus July 15th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
VB: five seperate posts of extrodinary length…heh, I thought last night I could do it all in one post! Entire thing took nine hours…
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Wow, I couldn’t write that long. Lost of dedication there.
I’ll be sure to check it out.
Lost = lots
Sell Joba high
Sell him before he gets hurt again or before he gets demoted to AAA to being too stubborn and not showing any progress.
Take advantage of the unwarranted hype around him and trade him. Keep the mature, high pitching IQ Hughes.
Cash, get on the phone & hook the Yankees up with Doc
I can’t believe that first pitch list doesn’t have Bush’s post-9/11 toss at Yankee Stadium. Politics aside, that was a huge moment in the first major event in NY after that day, and he threw a strike.
best first pitch ever.
When Jobber throws 7 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 11 Ks against the Tigers this Sunday, then he will be untouchable again and Hughes should be the one people want traded.
Rivera certainly had his, retiring the NL on 13 pitches to close out yet another AL victory.
“He’s a true professional and the best at what he does,” Nathan said. “It’s always fun when we’re on his side and we can watch him close one out for us.”
in order for joba to throw 7 innings his pitch count would be around 130 pitches
In the last major move done by the Yankees and Toronto, Boomer Wells was traded for Clemens in late spring training of 1999. Boomer was devastated but he got over it and so will Joba Chamberlain.
I played the hell out of this album back in the day:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....taking.jpg
Journey is way better than Eddie Money.
Not a big fan of either but Eddie Money?
And Jouney’s guitarist was in Jimi Hendrix’s band.
With that in mind, no Yankee carries the label of “untradeable.”
“I’ve traded anybody and everybody, it seems like,” Cashman said. “From a high-end prospect to a guy that’s performed in the high-end of the major league side like a [Alfonso] Soriano or David Wells. We’ve done all aspects of us. So, if something makes sense to us, we’ll look at it.”
“If the season ended today, we’d be in the playoffs,” Cashman said. “But the season doesn’t end today. We would like to win the division. And there’s no guarantee of security on either front. We’ve got a lot more work to do.”
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....r_bri.html
Joba,Montero & AJ for Doc…three unproven players for a All Star & he takes of two problems the rotation & the bullpen,then see you later Cody & bring Pena back & they are off to the WS
joba to the pen, phil to the rotation already
2.85 ERA in the AL for a SP is hard to get along with the 106 K’s in 123 innings
saw eddie money warm up for the kinks at the wollman rink a long long time ago. they were run off by kinks fans throwing stuff at them during ‘2 tickets to paradise’
Eric, neat quote. Nathan was looking on last night with a huge grin on his face – I loved seeing that. Mo has respect for opposing players and they return that respect.
“I can’t believe that first pitch list doesn’t have Bush’s post-9/11 toss at Yankee Stadium. Politics aside, that was a huge moment in the first major event in NY after that day, and he threw a strike.
best first pitch ever.’
Heh, I’m as anti-Bush as you can get but that moment still gives me chills.
Not as much as the bottom of the 9th HRs did, however.
Man that series…
fifty years from now we might consider that the most important World Series they ever played.
Can you imagine an angry Joba pitching against the Yankees?
Anger has a way of motivating a player released and facing that same team,can you say Abreu?
Ham Fighters
July 15th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
saw eddie money warm up for the kinks at the wollman rink a long long time ago. they were run off by kinks fans throwing stuff at them during ‘2 tickets to paradise’
very funny
maybe thats what joba’s problem is, he needs to get angry again he never knocks anyone off the plate anymore
must traded for halladay
there is nobody else available. seattle is not trading washburn when they are 3 games out. KC has no reason to trade bannister.
halladay or bust. nobody else on the market. unless you think doug davis or bronson arroyo is coming to NY and saving the day….
jack, u never know who can be a difference maker. who would have belived the biggest difference maker last year would be joe blanton?
Who cares if Joba matures in Toronto?
They are going to be a 4th-5th place team for the foreseeable future, especially if Baltimore’s young pitchers come up next year.
Sorry, I don’t care if a former prospect of ours on a last place team shuts us down in a regular season game in the future while we have Doc Halladay in the rotation and we are a playoff/world series caliber teams.
Matchups for the Tigers series
Burnett vs. French
Sabathia vs. Verlander
Chamberlain vs. Jackson
Same day Pedro signs, he lands on the DL http://bit.ly/fS50i
I would trade Hughes instead of Joba. Joba has been the better starting pitcher of the two and has a higher ceiling also Joba can be the future closer once MO retires.
The 50 fattest players – all time
http://www.manofest.com/Galler.....ml#joomimg
What’s wrong with waiting to see if Andy has a strong 2nd half, Joba finds his missing velocity, Wang comes back and is effective, and Mitre gives us something in the short term?
Buy on the cheap and keep your young hitters and pitchers (look at Boston).
trading for Halladay is a no brainer, I’ll even take Rios back & don’t care what it cost. Then there is no need to go out and get a OF or SP in the off-season even with a lot of money coming off the books
toronto wants to trade doc to the yankees or socks. they cant compete on the field with the behemouths, so they are relegated to competing with baltimore and tampa as destination cities for yankees and socks fans to flock to during thier combined 6 series in sky..er..rogers center. moving doc to one of thier division rivals will bring more ‘visiting’ fans to toronto to see doc and aj pitch for the bombers and hose vs. the jays.
maybe they should make like tampa bay did and change thier name, too….
Devil Jays….
kinda has a ring to it.
joeman July 15th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
trading for Halladay is a no brainer, I’ll even take Rios back & don’t care what it cost. Then there is no need to go out and get a OF or SP in the off-season even with a lot of money coming off the books
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This from the guy who said the Yanks would be 8-9 games out by Memorial Day.
What’s wrong with waiting to see if Andy has a strong 2nd half, Joba finds his missing velocity, Wang comes back and is effective, and Mitre gives us something in the short term?
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if they wait for all that to happen & it dosen’t it will cost them more $$ next year to fix the problem & they may make the playoffs but they won’t get past the first round
I don’t believe Cashman plans on trading either Hughes or Joba.
Cash will probably try and get a Washburn/Davis type. If they are not available or the price is too high, then he will stand pat and maybe scan the waiver wire for a pick up (a la Ponson or Livan or someone)
Giuseppe Franco July 15th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
joeman July 15th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
trading for Halladay is a no brainer, I’ll even take Rios back & don’t care what it cost. Then there is no need to go out and get a OF or SP in the off-season even with a lot of money coming off the books
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This from the guy who said the Yanks would be 8-9 games out by Memorial Day.
again the 9 game winning streak took care of that & at least someone is reading what I’m putting down, good or bad
The Joba who threw 8 innings in Cleveland is still there somewhere. Can’t do anything but just throw him out there every 5th day. There is no alternative in the minors to replace him.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
Montero is #4
joeman July 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
again the 9 game winning streak took care of that & at least someone is reading what I’m putting down, good or bad
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They can get someone to fill the rotation not named Halladay. No reason to give up the farm for a guy who is 32 years old.
King Felix? Lincecum? Greinke?
I might consider it then. But not for someone who is 32 yrs old and only 18 months left in his deal.
i mentioned this in an earlier post – vernon wells numbers last year – if projected to 162 games was 30 hrs and 117 rbi’s with a 300 avg and a 804 ops – he was hurt the last 2 years and earlier this year too..
if he gets back to being 100% healthy you don’t think he can produce similar #’s? if you’re going to pay matt holliday 15 million a year for worse numbers why not pay wells for those type of numbers? jeter was hurt parts of last year but look at what he’s done this year when 100% healthy…
stranger things have happened…the yankees need an OF next year anyway….who are you gonna play jermaine dye? magglio ordonez? you aren’t getting adam jones, markakis, or sizemore – and you can’t go into 2010 with a OF of melky, gardner and god forbid ajax…
Why is Ponson pictured in a Yankee uniform? He was here for 20 seconds.
joeman,
This trade deadline will define Cashman. Does he give his aging vets (MO, Jeter, Jorge etc.) a legit chance to win a ring? Or does he have blind faith in Andy, Joba, and Wang and thus, stands pat at the deadline relying on this patchwork rotation?
Guys like AJ and CC came here to win a ring too. How do you think they feel that they have to pitch well everytime out because there is no support behind them? How does the bullpen feel knowing they likely have to pitch 4-5 innings every time CC/AJ don’t take the mound?
Cashman owes it to the team to give them the best possible chance to win. He cannot stand pat. It sends a bad message to everyone.
Giuseppe Franco
AJ is 32. Moose was 32 when we signed him. 32 isn’t old by any stretch.
I hope the Yankees go hard at Halladay, and if the Jays insisted on the Yanks taking Wells than give them Melky and Gardner= I know Montero is a huge prospect, but Hallady is proven,once in a era pitcher, Montero is not. Not all “can`t miss” prospects make it. Very few do. The odds are against any “can`t miss” prospect.
joeman
July 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Giuseppe Franco July 15th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
joeman July 15th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
trading for Halladay is a no brainer, I’ll even take Rios back & don’t care what it cost. Then there is no need to go out and get a OF or SP in the off-season even with a lot of money coming off the books
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This from the guy who said the Yanks would be 8-9 games out by Memorial Day.
again the 9 game winning streak took care of that & at least someone is reading what I’m putting down, good or bad
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he ain’t too off – they are 3 games out now – if they lose the game where castillo drops the arod pop up, lose to joe nathan in one of the twins walk off wins (joe nathan is as close to rivera as you’ll get) and lose to brad lidge (if the real brad lidge was picthing) that would be 6 games out..
The yankees are on pace to make the playoffs. I dont understand people who are acting like they are a 500 team who might not make the playoffs and must trade for Halladay. What happens if Joba pitches well against the tigers does he become an untouchable again and now Hughes is one that should be traded?
The yanks might need another pitcher and there will be cheaper alternatives than Halladay. Like Washburn, Bedard or Bannister. But no way would I trade Joba/Hughes, Montero and probably another good prospect for Roy Halladay.
The red sox aren’t in on Halladay so he will be leaving the AL east that will be a plus for the yanks.
“he ain’t too off – they are 3 games out now – if they lose the game where castillo drops the arod pop up, lose to joe nathan in one of the twins walk off wins (joe nathan is as close to rivera as you’ll get) and lose to brad lidge (if the real brad lidge was picthing) that would be 6 games out..”
You can’t deal in what ifs.
You can only deal with what is.
The Yankees are three back and hold the wild card lead. They are not nine back.
These things matter.
and SI is projecting Montero to be a first baseman/DH GREAT
just what the Yanks need.
We are set at first for quite some time, Lets get Roy
We’re the Yankees… teams are always going to make us overpay to get players.
The Mariners asked for Jackson for Washburn last year, when nobody wanted him, he had 1.5 years left on his deal, and he had a 4.50 ERA. Now, he has a 3.00 ERA and is an expiring contract and a lot of teams are after him… what do you think the price will be now?
Cashman is not going to get hosed in a trade. If we miss the playoffs, so be it.
sab,
Exactly. Every team gets breaks. For all the wining about the umpires and how “lucky” the Angels and Sox got, and such… we too have gotten our fair share of breaks.
These things always even out.
Bridge Jumper July 15th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
joeman,
This trade deadline will define Cashman. Does he give his aging vets (MO, Jeter, Jorge etc.) a legit chance to win a ring? Or does he have blind faith in Andy, Joba, and Wang and thus, stands pat at the deadline relying on this patchwork rotation?
Guys like AJ and CC came here to win a ring too. How do you think they feel that they have to pitch well everytime out because there is no support behind them? How does the bullpen feel knowing they likely have to pitch 4-5 innings every time CC/AJ don’t take the mound?
Cashman owes it to the team to give them the best possible chance to win. He cannot stand pat. It sends a bad message to everyone.
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they got a chance to get to the WS this year & with the addition of one of the best SP in the league it would make it easier to get the job done. Jeter is having a very nice year & it would be a shame to see his play go for nothing, who knows what next year brings for him
Yes, that flies with every team in baseball EXCEPT those spending the big $$$
If Yanks payroll and resources were average or above league average than yes, but its unacceptable with what the Yankees have available to them
Some of you expecting Cashman to acquire 1-2 impact arms at the deadline are going to be disappointed.
As Mike Francessa says on his YES promo – “You can’t import new arms. You can’t waive a magic wand and have new arms appear”
making the playoffs does nothing for me,because the way this team is set up right now they aren’t beating Boston, if they even get to play them
sab July 15th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
he ain’t too off – they are 3 games out now – if they lose the game where castillo drops the arod pop up, lose to joe nathan in one of the twins walk off wins (joe nathan is as close to rivera as you’ll get) and lose to brad lidge (if the real brad lidge was picthing) that would be 6 games out..
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Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. I can play that game too.
If Swisher’s rocket had not been snagged by the pitcher on Sunday the Yanks would have won that game.
If Jason Bay had not hit the homerun off Mo in April during their first meeting against the Red Sox, the Yanks would’ve won that game.
If Mo hadn’t given up two homers to Crawford and Longoria, they probably would’ve won that game, too.
We can play that game all day long. But it’s all nonsense because the results are the results.
Cashman ain’t losing his job if we miss the playoffs. Him and Hal are very tight. Hal admittedly says he knows little about baseball and leans on Cashman.
Girardi and the coaches are gone if we miss the playoffs, but Cashman stays.
Cashman is 100% safe. Like Omar is close with the Wilpons, Cash is close with Hal. He doesn’t need to make the playoffs to keep his job… Girardi does. It’s not fair, but that is the way it is.
Some of you expecting Cashman to acquire 1-2 impact arms at the deadline are going to be disappointed.
As Mike Francessa says on his YES promo – “You can’t import new arms. You can’t waive a magic wand and have new arms appear”
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he waved the magic wand and made Mad Dog dissapear
Trading for Halladay guarantees this team nothing. The games aren’t played on paper.
The Yanks were supposed to be unstoppable after they traded for A-Rod in early 2004 and things haven’t exactly turned out as we’ve expected.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 15th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
“he ain’t too off – they are 3 games out now – if they lose the game where castillo drops the arod pop up, lose to joe nathan in one of the twins walk off wins (joe nathan is as close to rivera as you’ll get) and lose to brad lidge (if the real brad lidge was picthing) that would be 6 games out..”
You can’t deal in what ifs.
You can only deal with what is.
The Yankees are three back and hold the wild card lead. They are not nine back.
These things matter.
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rebecca great point – once again…
so why is anyone saying they wouldn’t trade montero because of what his potential is (another what if)for halladay and what we KNOW he can do (a what is)..
you see it can work both ways – you can’t say keep montero because of what he might do and write off halladay and what he has done…i’ll take the sure thing everytime…
what is Pedro’s injury? does he even need one? is he on the 40 man?
“he waved the magic wand and made Mad Dog dissapear”
LOL, so true.
carl July 15th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Giuseppe Franco
AJ is 32. Moose was 32 when we signed him. 32 isn’t old by any stretch.
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No, Halladay isn’t old. That’s not the point. But his best years are probably behind him.
If they are going to give up that much talent, I’d rather see them snag someone who has his best years in front of him rather than behind him.
It’s also worth mentioning that even though Moose pitched very well for the Yanks, his best years were still with the Orioles.
Halladay has a 2.85 ERA in the AL this year and a 2.78 last year, what SP does that in the AL
The yankees are built for the playoffs. They will have a great bullpen of Mariano, Joba, Hughes, Aceves and Coke. Bullpens are very important in the playoffs. Plus CC can pitch on 3 days rest and be dominant like he did with Brewers. They have Burnett, Pettitte who is a great big game pitcher and Wang. The yanks have the best offense in baseball. I think they can win a world series with what they have.
Considering the way CC pitches in October… do we want him getting an extra start in a series? LOL
“They have Burnett, Pettitte who is a great big game pitcher and Wang. The yanks have the best offense in baseball. I think they can win a world series with what they have.”
Pettitte is pretty much done as a legitimate starter in the AL East, while Wang is a giant question mark. Joba is an even bigger question mark.
A team with 3/5 of the rotation being questionable don’t win World Series. Heck, most teams with these types of rotation issues don’t even get to the playoffs.
CC in the playoffs = bust
AJ in the playoffs = no experience
Joba = no experience, had a 5 ERA as a reliever in 07
Andy = Finished
Wang = Terrible postseason history, probably will not be 100% healthy either.
As you can see… if we want to go far in October, we NEED Halladay. We’re no lock to get to the playoffs as it is, but if we do, we are not designed to win with that rotation.
Berroa sighting
in coney island
WFAN is airing the game. Boomer and carton (ug) doing play by play
Trading for Halladay guarantees that the Yankees can develop 1 spot in their rotation for Joba or Phil, whomever survives the trade mill. It allows the Yankees to cut ties with Pettitte next season. For the next 3-5 years, there would be 4 potential starters (Halladay, CC, AJ, Wang) throwing 200 IP per season. That could do wonders for the bullpen. The fifth spot could be a battle between Joba/Hughes + Aroldis Chapman. If both Hughes and Chapman do well, they can trade Wang for a shortstop, catcher or young third baseman, whatever they need at the time.
Why do people keep mentioning Pettitte?
He is finished. The only reason he isin’t leaving the rotation is for sentimental reasons.
Gold Fish
July 15th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
CC in the playoffs = bust
AJ in the playoffs = no experience
Joba = no experience, had a 5 ERA as a reliever in 07
Andy = Finished
Wang = Terrible postseason history, probably will not be 100% healthy either.
As you can see… if we want to go far in October, we NEED Halladay. We’re no lock to get to the playoffs as it is, but if we do, we are not designed to win with that rotation.
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Halladay in the playoffs = no experience
Halladay in the playoffs = no experience
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Took the words right out of my keyboard.
The guy the Yanks NEED so desperately doesn’t have anymore experience pitching in October than Burnett does.
Sounds like a contradiction to me.
Pettitte is a fringe 5th starter at this point in his career. Counting on him at this point is foolish and there is an argument to be made that he shouldn’t even be starting games right now since he is so awful.
Sadly, the dearth of starting pitching on the Yankee roster will not allow that to happen.
Bret the Hitman July 15th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Trading for Halladay guarantees that the Yankees can develop 1 spot in their rotation for Joba or Phil, whomever survives the trade mill. It allows the Yankees to cut ties with Pettitte next season. For the next 3-5 years, there would be 4 potential starters (Halladay, CC, AJ, Wang) throwing 200 IP per season. That could do wonders for the bullpen. The fifth spot could be a battle between Joba/Hughes + Aroldis Chapman. If both Hughes and Chapman do well, they can trade Wang for a shortstop, catcher or young third baseman, whatever they need at the time.
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let me add to that, when they get Halladay ( they could or should) get Rios also, then there’s no need for FA signings next year
The Yanks would be cutting ties with Pettitte next season anyways because Hughes is going to be in the starting rotation.
Giuseppe Franco July 15th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
The Yanks would be cutting ties with Pettitte next season anyways because Hughes is going to be in the starting rotation.
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If we could ride CC-AJ-Wang into the playoffs it would be nice, and if three horses headline the rotation, the bullpen won’t be too taxed playing caddy for Joba and Pettitte. However – the loss of Wang has really put the Yankees at a major starting pitching disadvantage.
This is why I think they key to a strong 2nd half and playoff run is getting Wang back to his old self. We have already seen shades of this before he went down, during the start that he faced Halladay.
Eastern League All star game
http://www.rider.edu/175_16702.htm
nunez vasquez Macallister starting
You guys are making my head hurt.
I’m kind of surprised the team hasn’t considered calling Zach Kroenke up to the team. Considering how he’s dominating at Scranton right now, I’d say he’s more deserving of a spot than Marte is right now.
Giuseppe Franco
July 15th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
sab July 15th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
he ain’t too off – they are 3 games out now – if they lose the game where castillo drops the arod pop up, lose to joe nathan in one of the twins walk off wins (joe nathan is as close to rivera as you’ll get) and lose to brad lidge (if the real brad lidge was picthing) that would be 6 games out..
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Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. I can play that game too.
If Swisher’s rocket had not been snagged by the pitcher on Sunday the Yanks would have won that game.
If Jason Bay had not hit the homerun off Mo in April during their first meeting against the Red Sox, the Yanks would’ve won that game.
If Mo hadn’t given up two homers to Crawford and Longoria, they probably would’ve won that game, too.
We can play that game all day long. But it’s all nonsense because the results are the results.
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giuseppe – i’ll mention the same thing i mentioned to rebecca – if results are what matters then why would anyone NOT want to trade montero for halladay? halladay has been a monster for 10 years in the AL east – montero was busting pimples on his face last year – and maybe even this year..
if results are what everyone is after then its a no brainer to include montero in a trade for halladay – btw i’m not sure what side of the fence you are on regarding montero (trade or keep) but it just makes me laugh that anyone would want to hold on to a 19 year old kid who may or may not even make it to the majors when there is one of the best pitchers in the AL east available – which will come in rather handy when /if the yankees make the playoffs and have to face the angels and redsox ..
If it makes anybody feel better, we do have the Roy Halladay of the Eastern League.
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2008/03/04/mnjlBRq5.jpg
The AAA All Star game is on ESPN 2 at 10 tonight. Austin Jackson is leading off.
9 thundercats are allstars true?
If Marte is healthy, I want to see him pitch for us and get some outs. At this point I believe he would do a much better job than Tomko has done so far. I really expected Tomko to get more outs without giving up so many runs.
Time for Marte and his rested shoulder to pitch and help us win many games.
oh 7 and I know all their names!
“I’m kind of surprised the team hasn’t considered calling Zach Kroenke up to the team. Considering how he’s dominating at Scranton right now, I’d say he’s more deserving of a spot than Marte is right now.”
I think the belief is that Kroenke is overperforming.
sab,
If the Yanks had been that reckless dealing prospects way during the mid-90s, there would never have been a dynasty.
I’m not suggesting they need to field an entire 25-man roster from their farm, but GMs have to make the tough decisions which kids to keep and which ones to trade.
Theo is every bit the prospect hugger that Cashman is. He had a deal that could have netted him Johan Santana and he refused to give up one of his prized kids.
That kid was Jon Lester. Two years later, I guarantee you Theo is thrilled he never traded that kid away for Santana.
Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make.
Rebecca did you see the link to the EL allstar game?
Montero to play the 5th on
The yankees are the only team in baseball that needs 3 aces to win a championship. Why stop at Roy Halladay the yanks should make a trade for Dan Haren. Have Haren be the 5th starter.
Uncle: I did.
I’m watching Supersize me for now.
Dang I’m bored.
Kroenke has also allowed 19 walks in 38.1 IP this season.
That might be the primary reason why he hasn’t received the call. Cant get away with that stuff in the bigs.
one hit no runs
North coming to bat
77513 July 15th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
The yankees are the only team in baseball that needs 3 aces to win a championship. Why stop at Roy Halladay the yanks should make a trade for Dan Haren. Have Haren be the 5th starter.
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if you had that staff you can have Tex & Arod along with six Cody’s
giuseppe – he probably didn’t deal for santana because he already had his ace in beckett – didn’t he also have dice k?
at the time those were 2 aces he had so he had the luxury of holding on to lester – plus i’m pretty sure he was in the santana sweepstakes just to force the yankees to give up all their prospects and he had no desire whatsoever to get santana…
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what prospects have the yankees given up that turned out to be superstars or even aces of a staff?
Having Halladay on the Yankees would be awesome, but I like the young talent & their potential. It’s be a bittersweet feeling to see them go.
You cannot possibly turn down the potential for the Yankees to field 4 workhorses capable of throwing 200 IP each year for the next 3-5 years. With one of Joba or Hughes + Aroldis Chapman, the Yankees could possibly deal Wang to revamp the farm after the Halladay trade puts a dent in it.
How can the Yankees go into next season with CC, AJ, Wang + 2 question marks at the bottom of the rotation in Joba + Hughes? Do we really want to have to rely on Alfredo Aceves, Ian Kennedy and Zachary McAllister filling in if things don’t work out or if Hughes/Joba can’t shake the inconsistency that has plagued them throughout 2009? Aceves, Kennedy + McAllister have proven even less than Joba + Phil.
infield single for Nunez
sab,
And the Yanks don’t necessarily need Halladay because they already have an “ace” in Sabathia.
Burnett has pitched well, too.
Before you go off and tell me how Sabathia is not an “ace” – let me point you to his career numbers which are far better than Beckett’s.
Sabathia carried the Brewers on his back last season. He’s also far more durable than Beckett has ever been.
Bret the Hitman July 15th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
You cannot possibly turn down the potential for the Yankees to field 4 workhorses capable of throwing 200 IP each year for the next 3-5 years.
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Name the last team that had four pitchers with 200+ IP under their belt for one season.
Bet you can’t do it.
You know why? Because it has happened maybe once or twice in the past 15 years.
The odds of that happening on the Yanks with or without Halladay is very slim.
The odds of that happening on the Yanks with or without Halladay is very slim.
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But the odds improve drastically with Halladay on this staff.
m July 15th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I love Ichiro’s quirky behavior:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4329684
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M’s beat reporter Shannon Drayer has some other Ichiro tid-bits on her blog….
http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=374&sid=189245
“Then we have Ichiro who I am afraid might have to go on the DL with a pulled smile at some point this season. It is so good to see him having fun, be it with teammates or the President. He deserves it.
Of course there is another side of Ichiro. Larry Stone of the Seattle Times wrote yesterday of a trip Ichiro made to the grave of George Sisler in St. Louis. His appreciation and reverence for the game and it’s history is something I wish he could share with all players. With Sisler, it is personal. He didn’t just take his record, he met with his family, he studied his history at the Hall of Fame. Last year when I asked him in an interview what five people, living or dead, he would want to have dinner with, Sisler’s was the first name out of his mouth. I found it touching that years after he broke the record he would still have him top of mind.”
But the odds improve drastically with Halladay on this staff.
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Not necessarily. You can’t predict everyone will stay healthy.
GF, Halladay doesn’t guarantee anything, but is that really your main talking point as to why the Yankees shouldn’t try and trade for him? No player guarantees anything, so if that’s the case, why make trades at all? Do they need Halladay? No – they don’t NEED him. If they can get him for a “reasonable” price (don’t ask me what that is), then I absolutely do it. If not, then move on. Either way, the Yankees need two starters….
Wang is the perfect example. Nobody saw this disaster coming at the beginning of the season.
They don’t play the games on paper. If they did, the Yanks would have won a couple of rings after A-Rod came aboard.
Baseball is still a game of probabilities. With Halladay, the probablity that you win increases.
just for ha’s ha’s..Doc’s last win was on 6/7….
top 4 SP on a team usually average about 35 starts a year, that’s a average of pitching 6 innings every game
Betsy July 15th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
GF, Halladay doesn’t guarantee anything, but is that really your main talking point as to why the Yankees shouldn’t try and trade for him? No player guarantees anything, so if that’s the case, why make trades at all? Do they need Halladay? No – they don’t NEED him. If they can get him for a “reasonable” price (don’t ask me what that is), then I absolutely do it. If not, then move on. Either way, the Yankees need two starters….
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It’s too high of a price for Halladay. It’s as simple as that.
I’d consider it if we’re talking about a youngster like Greinke, Lincecum, or King Felix – kids who still have very long careers ahead of them.
I didn’t believe in trading for Santana either when Hughes was the primary trade chip.
I bet Cashman is glad he never made that move.
Sabathia and Hughes >>> Santana
So instead of showing the AAA ASG live ESPN decides to show a replay of that riveting homerun derby. The one that put me to sleep. great job espn
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
LOL:
For the fourth time in this streak, Mariano Rivera of the Yankees took care of the endgame, and as usual, with the kind of nasty stuff that should be borderline illegal.
Hawpe, batting second in the inning, asked AL expatriate Miguel Tejada, who was hitting behind him, for advice on hitting Rivera’s brutal cutter.
“If it looks like a strike,” Tejada told him, “it’s not going to be a strike.”
Great. Strike one was a wicked cutter that nearly hit Hawpe in the shoetops. He swung anyway. He took such an ugly hack he looked like one of those tabletop hockey players connected to a rod, spinning gracelessly. Strike two was a buzzsaw of a cutter that broke his bat.
“Hey, I only broke one bat,” Hawpe said. “That’s not bad.”
Strike three was a backdoor cutter, a pitch that began somewhere west of Flourissant and wound up downtown.
“Boom! Boom! Backdoor!” Hudson said. “Man, that’s bull right there. That’s just not fair! Throw a four-seamer down the middle, will you? That is un-fair!”
reason that the Yankees haven won even after Arod came along is pitching(SP & RP) …besides clutch hitting in the Yankee run was that they had pitching (SP & RP)
Dan Haren is 3 years younger than Halladay and will reach free agency after 2010.
Does he float your boat, Franco?
I’m not suggesting this team doesn’t need some help in the rotation.
I just wouldn’t pay that high of a price for Halladay.
As CB referenced earlier today, if you need a new car it doesn’t mean you have to go out and buy a Maybach.
Sometimes that new Chevy or Ford will due.
“With one of Joba or Hughes + Aroldis Chapman, the Yankees could possibly deal Wang to revamp the farm after the Halladay trade puts a dent in it.”
They don’t yet have Chapman and may not get him. More importantly, Wang doesn’t fetch half of what Halladay will cost. Wang’s good….or at least he was. But healthy, he not close to Halladay.
I’d still be for trading for Halladay, but this can’t be your logic.
Bret the Hitman July 15th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Dan Haren is 3 years younger than Halladay and will reach free agency after 2010.
Does he float your boat, Franco?
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Nope, I want King Felix when he becomes a FA. That’s three years from now.
Jennifer the AAA All Star game is in Porland, Oregon so that’s why it’s at 10.
“If we could ride CC-AJ-Wang into the playoffs it would be nice, and if three horses headline the rotation, the bullpen won’t be too taxed playing caddy for Joba and Pettitte. However – the loss of Wang has really put the Yankees at a major starting pitching disadvantage.”
wang’s injury could have happened to cc sabathia, burnett, or could happen to halladay if the yankees get him.
cashman could just as easily listen to his medical team and give the same instruction to them that he gave to wang which was DON’T WORK OUT.DON’T DO ANYTHING.
ok that’s reasonable because one school of thought was that the injury would heal better with no activity.
here’s the problem. you have a GM who knows the injury is so fragile that no activity may be best so that’s the advice that was given , but then cashman does ZERO testing after a winter of team mandated inactivity for the player.
wang it turns out was in no physical shape to begin spring training.
right at that point because of not checking wang’s healing and strength of atrophied muscles, cashman needed to be fired. on the spot.
he just doesn’t do this sort of due diligence. forget all the other stuff that came later on.
the not checking wang’s condition before having him pitch in spring training showed he will always be someone who doesn’t see the big picture and do everything that needs to be done.
cashman burned wang for 2009. he could just as easily do it with hallady or sabathia or joba or hughes in the future.
the reality of yankee pitching is that even with getting the two best free agents available, yankee pitching is still very close to the worst in the league.
with the money spent, that’s ridiculous. someone else needs to be in charge of creating the pitching staff rather than cashman. he treats hughes and joba like yoyos. no one can predict what they’ll be doing on any given month from year to year. that is no way to develop young pitchers.
because of yankee coaching and conditioning that is led by cashman, i have no confidence no matter who he signs that they won’t underperform.
i’m personally tired of cashman bailing himself out with yankee money.
that’s why i can’t get excited about halladay.
GF, I was definitely against giving up Hughes for Santana (Joba was never an issue, so……….). I certainly wouldn’t trade him for Halladay. I’m more attached to Phil than I am to Joba, so I would give up Joba first…..but that doesn’t mean I would necessarily do it at all (and it wouldn’t be easy). The Yankees need pitching – two starters. I don’t want to give up good prospects for Washburn (his year to date will demand a good haul and I don’t think he’s worth it) and I don’t trust Bannister (nothing personal, but he’s going to succeed in the AL East? I don’t think so). I don’t know where the Yankees go, but they desperately need SP help.
Nevermind. haren signed through 2013.
“Wang is the perfect example. Nobody saw this disaster coming at the beginning of the season.”
no one saw that a pitcher who was injured so bad that he was told to do nothing all winter might be a health risk?
you have to be stupid not to think maybe there’d be a problem.
I can’t believe Dan Haren will turn 29 in 2 months.
Betsy,
I made the argument last June (2008) that there was one kid I would have traded Hughes for (as well as a couple of other pieces) and not thought twice about it because I loved his upside.
I was told by several on this board, including miggs, that I was insane and called many juvenile names because the guy I wanted in return was overrated and might not ever develop into anything special.
He’s a headcase. He’s never put it together. He probably couldn’t handle NY.
What was his name, you ask?
Zack Greinke
That’s when there were questions about his contract and whether KC was going to sign him to an extension or trade him away.
That’s the kid I really wanted. And I would have traded Hughes for him.
Too bad he signed that extension and that was that.
The 2005 White Sox had 4 guys throw 200 IP
Burhlee (236 IP)
Garcia (228 IP)
Garland (221 IP)
Contreras (204 IP)
Poor Angel Berroa was demoted to single-A ball, after being in AAA for only a few days. In less than 2 weeks he went from being a major league player to a guy playing in the NY-Penn League.
1. The playoffs are a crap shoot.
2. We’re making the playoffs unless the offense goes through another cold stretch like they did earlier in June.
3. Once we get to the playoffs anything can happen. Compare the Phillies rotation to the teams they faced. Compare the 06 Cardinals rotation compared to who they beat.
We have a team that is probably good enough to get to the playoffs if they don’t have an extended cold stretch. So why not take our chances when we get there rather than acquiring guys who guarantee us nothing? This isin’t like last year where we needed reinforcements just to get to October.
GF, I have no idea if Greinke could handle NY – didn’t have have anxiety problems? In any case, that was then (and I have no doubt that Phil is going to be outstanding) – and I’m not looking years ahead to when Felix Hernandez (refuse to call him King Felix) becomes a FA. That’s way too far down the line……
Imposter July 15th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
The 2005 White Sox had 4 guys throw 200 IP
Burhlee (236 IP)
Garcia (228 IP)
Garland (221 IP)
Contreras (204 IP)
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The 2003 Yankees did it, too.
The point is that very few teams have accomplished such a feat in the last decade or more.
It’s just not realistic to suggest such a fantasy foursome for the Yanks would be able to do that for three to five consecutive years.
MLB network giving their “mid-term” grades……NL West up. Yanks will probably get a D, lol
Giuseppe Franco
July 15th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
sab,
And the Yanks don’t necessarily need Halladay because they already have an “ace” in Sabathia.
Burnett has pitched well, too.
Before you go off and tell me how Sabathia is not an “ace” – let me point you to his career numbers which are far better than Beckett’s.
Sabathia carried the Brewers on his back last season. He’s also far more durable than Beckett has ever been.
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Giuseppe – i’m not going to sit here and discuss with you who is more worthy of “ace” title because they both are worthy- but beckett has proven in the playoffs (TWICE) that you can ride on his back – other than a good performance against the yankees in the playoffs 2 years ago CC hasn’t shown that…i refuse to give him credit for bringing the brewers to the playoffs (the big reason is its the NL)because once he was there he flopped..
how “ace” worthy was CC against the angels last sunday – beckett on the other hand shut down the royals on a 3 hitter – and the royals had a better lineup than the angels did that day so i don’t want to hear the angels are a better team…
if anyone is in need of another “ace” or even a real one its the yankees…7th game of the WS who are you going to pick out of these 3 to start that game for you – beckett, CC or halladay
my choice is beckett followed by halladay and cc is my last option…THATS why you need halladay…
Halladay career numbers
vs. BOS – 12-12, 4.46 ERA, .271 BAA
vs. LAA – 8-5, 4.32 ERA, .279 BAA
vs. TB – 11-9, 3.73 ERA, .273 BAA
Washburn career numbers:
vs. BAL – 7-6, 4.18 ERA
vs. BOS – 4-5, 4.63 ERA
vs. LAA – 4-7, 5.01 ERA
vs. TB – 12-9, 2.29 ERA
vs. TOR – 4-7, 4.23 ERA
Bannister career numbers:
vs. BOS – 0-4, 5.87 ERA
vs. LAA – 0-1, 6.57 ERA
vs. TB – 1-3, 6.95 ERA
vs. TOR – 1-1, 3.09 ERA
Doug Davis actually has ERA’s under 4 against BAL, BOS, and LAA, but ERAs over 10 against TB and TOR.
Hey, for any of you that missed the excitement, the HR Derby is being replayed on ESPN.
Trevor July 15th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Jennifer the AAA All Star game is in Porland, Oregon so that’s why it’s at 10.
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AHhhhh that would be a good reason!
Doreen July 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Hey, for any of you that missed the excitement, the HR Derby is being replayed on ESPN.
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Doreen I can hardly contain myself!
Betsy July 15th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
… and I’m not looking years ahead to when Felix Hernandez (refuse to call him King Felix) becomes a FA. That’s way too far down the line…
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ugh.
I don’t want to even think about Felix becoming a FA
I never call him that either (with a name like Felix, who needs to add the “king”
FTR – I have heard that it all got started by someone calling him “K’ing (as in strike outs) Felix” and it sort of morphed from there…
BTW – nice comments from Shannon (from the link I posted earlier re: Felix)…
“To see Felix with his infant son on the field durring the Home Run Derby and to hear his comments about how he just wants to enjoy every minute of the experience because you never know if you will get back or not, was special. I am not sure that I can remember a player of his caliber, at his age, be so demonstrative in his enjoyment of what he does than Felix.”
What a boring sports night
Cashman on the triple A allstar game radio
double A east league
“very special” = Montero
impact player at catcher
Cashman
Gardner just as good as Ellsbury but he does not get the “play” and is having a better year
He’s very proud of all these guys (from his voice/tone)
Very proud of Pena too
The 2005 White Sox won the world series. The 2003 Yankees won the pennant.
Having 4 pitchers capable of throwing 200 IP is an ideal to strive for regardless of how seldom it happens.
CompassRosy, don’t even think about it – it’s years down the line- just enjoy having him. Also, fyi -I just think calling anyone King is dumb- it’s nothing personal against him.
I like boring sports nights – I can relax, lol
ok I’ll be quiet now
Mitre probably get Wangs start
46 hours and 30 minutes until the next Yankee game. BRUTAL
Uncle Ellsworth, no don’t be quiet -I want know what else Cash is saying. Thanks!
Doreen July 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Hey, for any of you that missed the excitement, the HR Derby is being replayed on ESPN.
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I discovered this when I went to the gym. I guess there is absolutely nothing else for ESPN to cover tonight.
Personally, I wasn’t exactly on the edge of my seat the first time I watched the HR Derby
“Mexico has been good to us”
Erica – always OPPC July 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
46 hours and 30 minutes until the next Yankee game. BRUTAL
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I never realized how awful tv is!
new post
FYI according to todays torontosun.com
Halladay has pitched 6 innings in 4 All Star appearances,
allowing 11 hits 7 earned runs,for a 9.0 ERA,AND 3 strike!
For those who follow the Jon & Kate Plus 8 Saga-
Jon Gosselin is apparently engaged to his 23 year old girlfriend (who is also the daughter of Kate’s tummy tuck surgeon). Wonder how much Kate is regretting introducing the two of them. Poor Kate
http://www.eonline.com/uberblo.....topstories
erica
Poor kate? She is living in a mansion that was paid for by the tv program she agreed too. BTW saw a picture he was stepping off a private plane. I never realized they got so much money for the tv. I have no sympathy for them.
Poor kids
Jon seems like he is trying to relive his 20s. He’s with that child, smoking, ears pierced.
Kate has that possum living on the top of her head and seems like a real..pill.
Pray for the children
I think I agree with Pete giving up Montero is better than taking on Wells contract. We could sign Mauer with the money we save.
I agree with giving up whatever minor leaguer they need to, to get Halliday, but why would they want Joba? As you said Pete, Joba seems to have a major attitude problem, and has lost velocit, these are ingredients for disaster. I dont think that the Blue Jays would over look that.