Minor-league All-Star games tonight
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Looking for your baseball fix?
The AAA game is on ESPN2 at 10 p.m. from Portland, Ore. You can follow the game on MinorLeagueBaseball.com..
You also can follow Double-A game from Trenton.
The Double-A game is going on now. Eduardo Nunez already has two hits and one RBI for the Northern Division. Zach McAllister apitched a scoreless inning.
There are assorted Yankees in both games.
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Chad Jennings
Sam Borden
Josh Thomson
Cashman was on in Trenton gone now.
It took me way, way too long to do my second half preview today.
To sum up:
Offense good, bullpen >>> dependent on rotation.
Rotation >> has problems.
Dunn and Montero in game
Nunez for MVP
steal on Montero
Erica’s right. It’s on nights like this that I remember why I don’t watch much TV, except for the Yankees, some select other sports, news, and Friday Night Lights, which unfortunately isn’t even on in reruns tonight.
Just me and the dog tonight, and he’s cathcing some z’s….
Rebecca, whenever I go to onto your blog the page stops loading and then goes blank.
2 walks for Dunn 2 out
I’m watching 20/20 on WE.
Getting closer to Friday
Is any one checking out the brooklyn cyclones game on sny?? angel beorra is playing short stop for the single a short season brooklyn cyclones.. wut is omar minya thinking?
3 out
Radio said that Mets we’re gonna call Berroa up tomorrow
yes the same berroa that was playing for the yanks earlier this year..
Is Pete going to pass his Angel jokes the mets beat writer.
Montero up to bat
Jesus at bat
strike
foul
ball
infield single for Montero
infield hit (3b)
Who says teh Jesus is slow?
Tom: I got nothing for you…maybe try clicking the link on Pete’s sidebar?
Rebecca Cashman sounded very confident in Jesus’ catching abilities admitting it was a question now it is not.
Fluff? possibly.
During the rest of the year, I love TV. Seriously, I have made TV watching into an Olympic sport. But summer tv is different. Summer TV is a nightmare
And the few shows I do like to watch in the summertime all seem to be on Sunday night
So I have the Cyclones’ game on SNY. Nice to see the minor league umpires don’t know the strike zone either. Good to see the major league umps get started early on messing up.
Rebecca, I just read your daily column & as always it’s very good……Qiestion, do you think that Cashamn needs to go outside the Organization and get another arm, or does he stay withthe hopes that Bruney & Marte round into form ????
Peter,
Thanks for pointing out Nunez’ good performance in the AA game. Having seen him in several spring training games, I was very impressed — especially in the field, where he exhibited terrific range. I found him even more impressive than Ramiro Pena. While it may sound sacreligious to even whisper this, Nunez could be the eventual successor to Jeter.
Since he’s not a power hitter or found supporters in the media (the way Montero has), fewer fans know his name. But he certainly caught the eyes of several fans during March.
Pat M:
I think that if an arm becomes available outside the organisation, Cashman will go for it.
There are just too many questions with Marte and Bruney–Bruney, especially.
I’ve been impressed with Albaladejo of late, but I also know how bad he was in the beginning of the season, so I’d tread carefully there as well.
The number one concern is obviously filling the 5th spot. Once that happens, we’ll see how things pan out, but that is far and away the most pressing need.
Just a PSA, The Yankee Universe blog (you can find it in the blogroll) is running a major trivia treasure hunt, with a guest post and the new Munson book as prizes. Should be a lot of fun.
MLB doing the AL East grades now……
Rebecca, I think Cashman just has to trade for a starter, as I see this to be a priority…..Then get a reliever, just as you pointed out Bruney & Marte are shakey….I always felt that they needed a right handed bat to replace Nady…..However with Hinske they can just use Swisher in that role, so that concern is less of an immediate issue…..
LOL the Yanks get a B – the comment is that the Big Money pitchers haven’t stepped up.
Um, CC has been good, but not great. AJ has been very good. Wow.
Darn.
I was just in Portland over the weekend (wine tasting in the various vineyards via limo in celebration of a friend’s 50th birthday). Too bad I couldn’t have stayed a couple days longer for the game – I remember seeing the signs for PGE Park – that would have been fun.
Nunez is a stud in the field he might make the team next year out of ST.
Rebecca – just got done reading your blog column for the first time…definitely gonna have to make it a routine…extremely extremely impressive.
Mitch Williams gave them a B and says they’ve underachieved and the team knows it…….huh?
John Hart thinks they think the Yankees feel pretty good about where they are and that some things need to happen for them to catch Boston (I’m sure he means SP and that’s fair.
Williams is an idiot
“LOL the Yanks get a B – the comment is that the Big Money pitchers haven’t stepped up.”
They’re kind of right, though. CC’s been more lucky on the road than good, and AJ was having a lot of trouble before he got on his most recent “roll”.
Pat M: I think the bat is the lowest concern on the list. Team leads the league in runs scored…if they can just get Robbie Canó to figure out how to hit with men on base now…
Mitch Williams is a hack….How he landed this gig is beyond me…..Hoping it’s a one year deal for The Wild Thing….
Betsy,
CC and A.J. are a combined I think 16 – 10 with a 3.82 ERA, that’s not near what was expected of both of them. I can certainly understand their feeling that the big money pitchers are yet to stand up. To say the least, the best is yet to come for both of them.
I think the Yanks need two starters…….
Rich: You’re making me blush! :-[
Betsy: The Yankees right now are doing all sorts of awesome–but again, Williams is not entirely wrong. The Yankees could be a lot better than they are.
Imagine if CC WAS pitching like CC, Joba WAS pitching into the 8th and Teixeira was batting, oh, say, .300 instead of .275?
*shudder*
And, to be true, we haven’t beaten Boston, either, and that’s got to way on a lot of minds.
Francesca, of all people, said it well–until the Yankees beat Boston, they’re a bully team.
Now, I don’t mind, since I think a win is a win and you just have to get to October, but it would be nice to see the Yankees beat Boston. It really would.
“LOL the Yanks get a B – the comment is that the Big Money pitchers haven’t stepped up.
Um, CC has been good, but not great. AJ has been very good. Wow.”
Hmm…I’d give them a B+. They’ve had some tough injuries, CC had a rough start, hitting has had their bad stretches. But honestly they are a good club and if they stay pretty healthy will have a better second half than first. Special props to the bullpen for turning it around big time in June and July.
Ramey, forget what they are combined. To say they haven’t stepped up means that they’ve been mediocre or bad. I will say that CC has been good, not great – but good is still good. AJ was solid (mostly) until this streak and now he’s pitched brilliantly for a good 7-8 starts. To say he hasn’t stepped up (not saying you are saying this) is just asinine. Also, most people didn’t like the AJ signing, fans and experts alike, so IMO AJ is surprising them.
B sounds about right for the 1st half.
“Imagine if CC WAS pitching like CC, Joba WAS pitching into the 8th and Teixeira was batting, oh, say, .300 instead of .275?”
But, at the same time what if Dice K was pitching like he did last year, or Ortiz was hitting like he used to…The red sox would be doing even better than they currently are too
Rebecca, of course there is room for improvement, but to say that leading the wildcard and being 15 over .500 is underachieving is stupid…….and a B is too low for a 2nd place team leading the wildcard.
Rebecca, Francesca is an idiot and I don’t agree with him. You’re certainly not an idiot, the farthest thing from, but I don’t agree with you. This is a very good team. Francesca has the hots for the Sox (and I am not disrespecting them by any means) and he actually sounds like he hates his own team.
Betsy,
I agree that I don’t think that A.J. certainly isn’t pitching tremendous, but CC has overall been rather underwhelming. He hasn’t picked up steam at all yet. He’s had some tremendous moments (the cg shutout vs baltimore for 1), but he’s yet to really get on that ‘CC Sabathia like roll’
I think Burnett will keep up what he’s been doing the past 6 weeks and will be, dare I say, even better in the second half.
I wouldn’t necessarily consider what Sabathia and Burnett have done has been ‘mediocore or bad’, but with the expectations people in the media and even fans had at the begining of the season for our starting rotation, it seems to have been a tad on the underwhelming side.
“Rebecca, Francesca is an idiot and I don’t agree with him. You’re certainly not an idiot, the farthest thing from, but I don’t agree with you. This is a very good team. Francesca has the hots for the Sox (and I am not disrespecting them by any means) and he actually sounds like he hates his own team.”
Francessa is an idiot, I couldn’t have said it better myself. But, to be fair, don’t you mean Mike Francesser? He can’t pronounce any word that ends in the letter A
“Imagine if CC WAS pitching like CC, Joba WAS pitching into the 8th and Teixeira was batting, oh, say, .300 instead of .275?”
Joba has never regularly pitched into the 8th (or the 7th for that matter) and Teixeira has not been a regular .300 hitter.
The Yanks are right on the B+/B edge.
Dicey K was somewhat pitching like he did last year till he went on the DL. The difference was more batters finished him off rather than helping him out. He was walking a ton of batters last year. Its moot anyway being that he is down.
50 plus wins only gets you a B….What curve is that grade based upon ??? Rich, Rebecca’s column is a daily read for me…Better than some of chumps that write for The Daily News and The Post…..Betsy I do say that Cashamn needs at least one solid starter that can give them innings and keeps them in the game…..Chamberlain must turn it around, and Pettite will come back fresh after having some rest….Should be interesting how the Halliday situation unfolds……Cashman needs to be pro-active and take Rios as well…..
Regardless of anything, I still think the Yankees will end up winning the division. Beating Boston doesn’t even factor into my thinking. I truly think we could go 4 – 14 against the Red Sox this season and still win the division by 2 or 3 games, simply because the Yankees are beating the other teams in baseball with more consistency than the Red Sox are. If that holds up over the course of the rest of the season (which it may or may not), the Yankees are likely going to be the team to come out on top.
Ramey, as I said – CC has not been great, but Williams made it sound like he and AJ have been failures. He lumped them together, for one, which is stupid. He specifically talked about the big $$ pitchers, not the rest of the staff. No question the SP hasn’t really been there thanks to Wang, Joba and Andy – which is why we need SP.
Frankly, there really wasn’t very much analysis of the two. If Mitch had taken the time to disect CC and AJ’s performances, he would have said something along the lines of:
For CC: he’s been good, perhaps hasn’t been as consistent as he would like, but there’s every reason to expect CC to get better.
For AJ: He’s had a few bumpy spots, but for the most part has given the Yankees innings. He’s also stayed healthy – a big key for him – and has pitched brilliantly his last 6/7 starts.
“Rebecca, of course there is room for improvement, but to say that leading the wildcard and being 15 over .500 is underachieving is stupid…….and a B is too low for a 2nd place team leading the wildcard.”
But the thing is, the Yankees aren’t–or I don’t think are–being graded on how they perform as relates to other teams.
They’re being graded on how well they’re achieving the potential as to how good they could be, and for me this is the right way to go.
If you’re running away with everything like the Dodgers, do you just say “well, hey, we’re the best team in the league”, stand pat and do nothing? Or do you say “well, we’re good, but this is what we should be doing better?”
With the best teams it is always, always, always the latter.
This is how Lamiorello operates the Devils. In his words: “If we can get better, we will get better.”
Pat M: You are much, much too kind! :-[!
Rich
July 15th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Nunez is a stud in the field he might make the team next year out of ST.
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Nunez is no defensive stud. He has range but, has an erratic arm and needs work on softening the hands on plays. He should get better, but, he’s no stud. He can hit and has a little power, but, mainly line drive type.
Rebecca, my father pronounces certain words with “r’s” at the end – or so my mother says. He grew up in Brooklyn, so if I make fun of Mike, I’d be making fun of my dad…….However, at least my dad’s not an idiot, lol
If anyone else is looking for a baseball fix, there is a Ted Williams documentary on HBO tonight. It’s supposed to be great.
“Rich, Rebecca’s column is a daily read for me…Better than some of chumps that write for The Daily News and The Post”
Pat just that column I read is more informative than anything Mike Lupica has ever written.
Anyone who dares to answer – if you had to bet your life on which team ends up with Halladay (assuming he moves before the deadline) who would you go with???
Pat, I think the Yankees need to (and will ) be proactive – Cash is quoted today as saying they will look within first, but we all know what that is code for……. I am going on the assumption that Joba and Andy will not turn things around. Joba can certainly to that if he reboots his attitude, but to trust that he will? I can’t do it – still, he has the ability. Andy has nothing but guts and guile – I love the guy, but a years rest probably wouldn’t help him at this point.
Rebecca, I definitely agree about making the team better even if they’re still very good – but that really isn’t at the crux of my dispute with the “B” grade. Williams sounded like he just really wanted to say something negative about the Yankees. I liked John Hart’s one sentence much better…….
Rich,
I’d bet my brother’s life that Halladay probably stays a blue jay for the rest of the season, but is traded to the phillies in the off-season…My life is far too precious haha
Halladay will be traded to a Japanese team
“if you had to bet your life on which team ends up with Halladay (assuming he moves before the deadline) who would you go with???”
On 8/1?
The Toronto Blue Jays
j/k………no clue, If not the Yankees, then I guess I hope it’s the Phillies.
A part of me wishes that AJ would convince Doc to waive his NT only for the Yankees, but that will never happen……..
The 3 analysts on MLB Network- Hart, Plesac and Williams- just gave their midseason predictions and all 3 have Yanks playing Sox in the ALCS and the Sox advancing to the WS.
I’ll take the first part of the prediction and roll the dice from there.
Rich: Damn, man, that’s too much. Thank you.
“Anyone who dares to answer – if you had to bet your life on which team ends up with Halladay (assuming he moves before the deadline) who would you go with???”
The favorites would have to be the Phillies and the Rangers but I’m not sure how the Rangers would take on the salary, since Hicks is having trouble as is.
I’ve been told not to discount the Angels–who could certainly use the pitching, and this morning I had a thought that one probably shouldn’t entirely count out the Giants.
I asked around, but @injuryexpert (Will Carroll) said that while he didn’t think the Giants would have the money to take on Halladay’s contract, “Good thought — that’d be a crazy rotation, esp in short series. I don’t hate the concept at all.” Others thought that SF’s more pressing needs would be offensively, with a bat, but the idea of Lincecum/Cain/Halladay in a short rotation is frankly scary.
The Brewers shouldn’t be counted out either–they did win the Sabathia sweepstakes last year.
Betsy July 15th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
A part of me wishes that AJ would convince Doc to waive his NT only for the Yankees, but that will never happen……..
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Ya never know. If AJ and Doc were close it might happen. They are allowed to talk right? It isn’t ‘illegal’ for players to talk?
jennifer: It’s probably a thin line. Players talking on their own probably isn’t, but how do we know that the player hasn’t been asked by management to do so?
Hmm some good thoughts…Rebecca do you know how the Brewers are financially right now? I don’t have enough info on them to really know if they could do it.
“Ya never know. If AJ and Doc were close it might happen. They are allowed to talk right? It isn’t ‘illegal’ for players to talk”
Firends stuff carries little to no weight. Carpenter in St Louis is closer to Halladay than AJ. Beckett was closer to AJ than anyone on the Yankees. Plus, this isn’t free agency.
Friends > Firends
I really don’t think you can think of Halladay as a single item – I really think he’s there to enable JP to take Wells, or at least Rios, of his payroll. Halladay’s function is to make it palatable to whomever takes on that kind of expense.
Well, there aren’t too many teams with excess cash these days. The Yankees may be the only one where their income exceeds last year, due to the new Stadium, warts and all. And if that’s the case, Cash just has to bide his time.
That would be one heck of a postseason rotation – CC, Doc, and AJ. With Pettitte, Joba, Ace, and Phil backing them up. But that’s what you need in a short series, lockdown pitching.
Pat M: No clue.
I do know that they’re considered a small market team, and according to a Bill Simmons (I think) tweet earlier…
1 more note: Disaster looming in Phi, Indy, N.O. & Milw. Renewal numbers horrendous. Notice how they haven’t made any moves?
So if the Milwaukee Bucks are in trouble, would this affect the Brewers? No clue if the teams are owned by the same people, like the Rangers and Knicks, or not.’
It’s something to look into, though.
Where are we going to put Action? Um we’ll find a spot for him. Not too difficult.
wow that was too fast…strikeout for AJAX
Damn this cat who just K’d AJAX was throwing 97
Didn’t we used to have young kid like that?
Fez, I never heard anything about Becket making any overtures towards AJ – the Sox really were never seriously involved with AJ anyway. All I know is that apparently AJ and Roy are very close (can’t speak about Carpenter – though I’m sure that’s true). I’m really being facetious anyway. Doc’s a good guy – I don’t see him putting the screws to JP. That doesn’t mean he won’t reject a trade on his own, just that I doubt he’d give an ultimatum. I do think he’d prefer the AL – he really doesn’t want to hit.
how is this pitcher 3-8? hes got a 2.5 era
Joe – I don’t see the Yankees taking on Wells insane contract even if they’d get Halliday as well. Wells isn’t worth it. Why have another 100 plus contract hanging over your head.
Disagree LI Joe. I don’t think Halladay will be traded, but if he does it will be alone, IMO. Traded him is about rebuilding rather than dumping salary. Adding a Wells, which nobody, including the Yankees, should be stupid enough to do kills whatever they can get for Halladay.
“how is this pitcher 3-8? hes got a 2.5 era”
2008 Matt Cain feels his pain.
jennifer, I’m thinking Alex Rios. He’s younger, and owed less money, I think it’s about 60M instead of 100M. I’ve always been impressed with his arm in RF, and he’s a fairly good hitter, especially against us….I think of him as a younger, more athletic version of Xavier Nady.
Mlbtraderumors.com reporting
Cardinals are prepared to make a strong off for Halladay,will offer an arm or a leg,but not whole body.
They have a history of pulllng off strong trades,Carpenter,Rolen,Larry Walker,and Woody Williams.
Yankees have competition folks,for out of the division.
Also,Toronto has scouted Daisuke Matsuzaka.
What on earth does Toronto want with Daisuke?
Haiku man–
Cardinals fans I know want Halladay BAD.
I smell a rat. I agree with Rebecca, why in the world would the Jays want Dice? He is a 5 inning pitcher that walks the park, and will have hitters catch up to him. He isn’t that good of a pitcher.
““how is this pitcher 3-8? hes got a 2.5 era”
2008 Matt Cain feels his pain.”
Don’t forget 2009 Javy Vazquez and Jair Jurrjens
Although I think winning the division is still a distinct possibility, that record against quality teams is upsetting. 0-8 against the sox, lost 2 of 3 to the Phillies, getting manhandled by the Angels the list goes on and on.
DiceK’s owed 28M more by Boston, plus has a no trade clause, which Scott Boras, his agent, will want to turn into more money.
Why would Toronto want him? Their whole thing is to shed payroll.
Joe from Long Island brings up an even more important point.
If the Jays are looking to trade Halladay to shed payroll–which seems to be the case–why would they take on Daisuke’s salary?
I’m not so sure that the RS will go out for Halladay other than to make some noise. They have pitching, they need a bat more.
another reason why it makes no sense.
If they are going to trade Doc, they want young pitchers. I mean why couldn’t we trade Kei to them than?
Staten Island won 9-1. Deangelo Mack was 3-5 with a double homer and 2 RBI. Neil Medchill was 2-4 with a homer (GS)(6) and 4 RBI (16).
In Charleston, Banuelos lost 4-1 with 5 innings, 7 hits, 3 runs (earned), 1 walk, 5 strikeouts, 1 HRA.
Mesa was 0-4. Addison Maruszak was 2-3 with a double.
I’m sure a bunch of teams will be putting strong offers out there……..we’ll see. It’s still early in the process……and I suspect Cash has asked JP to get back to him before he makes any final decision.
So wait Toronto wants to unload Doc and take back Dice-K who makes 9 million a year and only throws 5 innings a start? Lol wow I smell fail rumor.
Also kind of hard to scout Matsuzaka when he’s not pitching.
“If they are going to trade Doc, they want young pitchers. I mean why couldn’t we trade Kei to them than?”
Because Kei Igawa is better the best triple-a pitcher in the minor leagues! Why would we want to give up such tremendous talent??? (hopefully u aren’t really taking me seriously when i call him a tremendous talent…)
None of this reasons,unless he’s trying to bait Cashman,by bringing in more teams to drive up the price and what they are willing to give up?
Yeah, hard to take MLB trade rumors seriously when they’re putting out garbage like that. Why would the Jays want Matsuzaka ? It makes zero sense…….
If Toronto wants to include Vernon Wells, They’ll be eating part of the money…..Rios would be ideal….
Betsy, I think you hit the nail on the head.
Cash’s modus operandi is to wait, see what the others are offering, and make his offer accordingly. Why bid more than you have to? And JP knows the financial landscape. He knows who has the money to take on Rios, or Wells, as part of the package. Why would JP want to get jerked around by people who can’t take on those deals, when he can spend his time with someone – Cash – who can help him accomplish what he wants, namely, to shed payroll for his bosses.
So wait Toronto wants to unload Doc and take back Dice-K who makes 9 million a year and only throws 5 innings a start?”
I’m sure they’d much prefer a guy make $500K and only throws 5 innings a start.
The Jays might want Dice-K?
*making
the espys commercial with Samuel L Jackson was funny!
SA why would Toronto want MATSUZAKA?
“If Toronto wants to include Vernon Wells, They’ll be eating part of the money…..Rios would be ideal….”
It still doesn’t make sense.
If you’re looking to cut payroll, you don’t take on additional payroll. Especially if you’re looking to sell the team.
In fact, I can see a deal where, in exchange for Cash taking on both Halladay’s and Rios’ salaries in toto, Cash gives up less young talent. Say (and I’m just throwing out names) McAllister, Robertson, DeLaRosa, Banuelos, and the best hitter in the International League, Shelly Duncan.
It sounds silly, but what did the Mets give up for Santana? And they weren’t even taking on a ton of payroll.
Jays have a sense of humor hence Dice-K, we should counter w. Igawa.
Joe, I have no opinion on whether JP is trying to get teams to take Wells or Rios. I’m not familiar with Rios, but I would take him in a hearbeat if it meant giving up less to get Doc. Didn’t SJ say that the Jays tried to get the Sox and Yanks to take some of Wells’ contract?
As far as Cash asking JP to come back to him, that’s exactly my reasoning. There’s just no point in showing your cards – if the Yankes want to, they can trump just about any team’s offer, and that’s all they have to do (top the best offer). Why should they offer more than the Jays might get? Let the “market” be set…….then, if the Yanks are so inclined, bid $1 more
Joe- agreed, mets gave up garbage for Johan. Rio’s contract won’t be a strangle hold. And you’ll have RF taken care of for the next few years.
You have Action being our future CF, and maybe you use a combo of Brett and Melky for lf.
The Mutts gave up nothing for Santanta, but that’s because Bill Smith is an idiot. He used the Sox and Yanks (and got greedy with the Yankees). I still can’t believe the “haul” that the Twins got – if I were a Twins fan, I’d be outraged.
If I’m Cash and Boston is about to get Doc I call up Ricciardi and tell him Joba/Ajax/Romine final offer(if they want Montero subtract Ajax and Romine).
All right, guys, that’s it for me. Got to get up early in the AM, and I’m not so young anymore.
Have a good night, all, and pleasant dreams of a dream rotation.
Toronto is asking for the Cards top prospect,Brett Wallace,from the 2008. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com
If any of this is true,you know they want Yankees top prospects too.Yankees are asked for the moon in the trades.
Look what Minn wanted for Santanna.
Rebecca, If Toronto is serious about shedding Vernon’s conract, they’ll have to absurb part of it as I just cannot see a club taking on all of it….Think Alex’s contract and Hicks paid part of it just a get move him……
I still say trading Joba/Jesus for Doc doesn’t favor us, that’s just ridiculous to me, Red Sox can land a Beckett (cost controlled and young) while we end up w/ another cash cow contract in his mid 30’s and when he hits the wall we call old and deteriating ala Roger we’re going to do the same crap OVER and OVER and OVER again.
On MLBTR, it says the Angels scouted Dice-K when he was coming to the U.S. (In reference to the Angels being interested in Aroldis Champan)
I didn’t see anything about the Blue Jays scouting him.
(In reference to the Angels being interested in Aroldis Champan)
They can be interested in him all they want that kid will be pitching on the Scranton Yankees next yr.
JROD I have a friend in St Louis that’s a scout,Dice was scouted,by Toronto.
Pat M: Yeah, I could see that happening, but if it did, that’s even less reason to go after Daisuke, unless Boston was willing to eat some of his contract and even then, what does Boston want with Vernon Wells?
Ellsbury might be underperforming, but i don’t think he’s THAT bad…
MLB trade rumors quotes other articles… they don’t make up their own rumors.
Friday can not get here soon enough.
The All Star Break is a good reminder that I need to pick up a hobby or some quality volunteer work. Huge void thanks to Mr. Doubleday.
-dennis
Brandon
THAT WAS MILLION YEARS AGO.
You can’t get that kinda deal done anymore unless you’ve got a budding young Hanley Ramirez as bait and even then I’m not sure that precedent would stand up to todays baseball economy.
You can NOT get young ACE types anymore.
The sports most valuable commodity is even more valuable (Present Day) than it was then or probably will be again.
IMHO
Every GM will tell JP to get back to them before making a final decision…. that’s what GMs do.
It’s not like Cashman will be the only one to bid a dollar higher. If the Sox, Angels, Dodgers, Phillies want to, they will get the opportunity to do so as well.
Riccardi will call all the teams interested a day or two before the trade deadline ends and ask for their final offer. Then he will decide which is the best and proceed with that trade.
“You can’t get that kinda deal done anymore unless you’ve got a budding young Hanley Ramirez as bait and even then I’m not sure that precedent would stand up to todays baseball economy.”
Bait: Jesus Montero
Bait: Joba Chamberlain
BTW Shelley I only hit fastballs Duncan is up right now.
Dennis: I can teach you to knit…
Teams that have lousy records and roster with high payroll players over the age of 30 are in TROUBLE.
The economy is devestating to teams like Toronto.
The Blue Jays are in extremely poor negotiating position.
When it comes to Halliday…The Blue Jays will not get anywhere near what they would have receieved one year ago.
I do Montero/Joba for Haren in a second. 3 years younger than Doc, on the cheap, don’t have to face Joba in the NL.
Boy, if Toronto is scouting Matsuzaka, they’re truly idiots. He’s an overrated, expensive pitcher. Even if he didn’t have the contract he does, why would Toronto want him?
It is in JP’s best interest to get a Yankees/Sox bidding war going.
How bad would Cashman look if he lost Doc to Boston? As SJ44 said earlier… you think Hal will be happy to see that?
JP knows all this. He also knows Doc will go to either team. And just as Theo did with Santana, he will drive the price up for us even if he has no intentions on trading for him.
Haren ain’t that special.
Brandon, You don’t like Haren ???
A lot of what will happen with Halladay depends on the Jays owners. It also has a bit to do with Halladay. While I tend to doubt that he would limit them to one team, and its been reported that there was no list, he could have told Riccardi the teams he would consider most seriously.
I still find it interesting that when Halladay was talking about some of this, he only mentioned not facing some of the Yankees. It could be he is thinking NL, but I don’t think he enjoys hitting. He has also stated wanting to go to a contender, which narrows the field when you are talking two seasons at least.
If they are scouting Dice-K, I imagine Wells/Rios are involved somehow.
Again, there are a 100 ways to skin this cat. It may be whichever team is more creative will get him. Shedding a contract, especially Wells, is a no brainer. That is the worst contract in baseball.
Betsy one man fruit is another mans candy.They must be crazy
imo.
“I do Montero/Joba for Haren in a second. 3 years younger than Doc, on the cheap, don’t have to face Joba in the NL.”
Haren’s having a career year and isn’t on the block.
King Felix, 2011.
Paying Wells AND Halladay will destroy all of our flexibility. That’s like $30 million instantly added to the payroll without the extension.
Al from BK, I don’t think that would do it for getting Haran. I also think he would be a solid pick up, but because he isn’t that expensive and signed for longer than Halladay, he would take more to get.
Rebecca.
Thanks. I will stick to just being OCD about everything. I jumped down that guys throat last eve which as you know, is unlike me. I thought he crossed line posting to you. I should have let you handle as you you can do that quite well. The big brother in me came out.
Go Rams. Go Orange.
-dennis
Montero is a nice prospect but his future is at first base or DH in the bigs, if he makes it. No way a 6′4” 225 lb frame can hold up at catcher and be an effective defensive player.
The Yankees would be wise to trade him now while his value is high (they already failed to sell high on Kennedy).
dennis:
Honestly, he was pretty tame. You should have seen what they were telling me in the final game thread. It was pretty ‘…’
But hey, it’s the risk I run as a woman that’s into sports. I can deal.
Rebecca, 2011 is a long time away at this point. So much can happen between now and then, both within the Yankee organization and with “Elvis”… errr… King Felix.
Haren is having a career yr. he’s not that special, not the special that I’d deal Joba + Jesus..GTFO here w/ that.
Seattle has money, they can extend Felix. The question is if he wants to stay there.
Betsy.
I agree that he is overrated. His 18 wins last year were a joke and a stat fluke. Hi not expensive though after the heavy posting fee that the Sox paid. He is paid roughly 6.6mm a year.
I doubt anyone is scouting him. He is rehabbing.
-dennis
“Rebecca, 2011 is a long time away at this point. So much can happen between now and then, both within the Yankee organization and with “Elvis”… errr… King Felix.”
Just a dream. Nothing more.
Haren is a great pitcher, every year is a career year for him, he’s getting better & better.
tim boat
July 15th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Montero is a nice prospect but his future is at first base or DH in the bigs, if he makes it. No way a 6?4” 225 lb frame can hold up at catcher and be an effective defensive player.
The Yankees would be wise to trade him now while his value is high (they already failed to sell high on Kennedy).
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Can’t hold up? You mean like Mauer, Wieters and Fisk for 23 years?
I think the Mariners can’t trade Hernandez because he IS the franchise. However Haren is expendable especially if AZ plans on rebuilding and we can give them Joba/Montero. I definitely see a match Seattle would never trade King Felix.
Al, we’re not talking about Felix being traded–just pipe dreams when he becomes a FA
Pete said he’d deal Joba and Jesus for Doc.
He has no attachment to these prospects and thus, has more objectivity than any one here.
Ajax ! to RF triple…camera sucks.
Great hit!!!! HORRIBLE camera work
Awesome camera work
Rebecca.
Got it. I will step back next time.
Cheers- dennis
Dan Haren is special if you like actual results.
He’s a frontline pitcher any way you slice it – a strike throwing machine.
He has great makeup, very good stuff, and is extremely durable. He’s a 215 innings horse.
As much as I love Lincecum, he’s been the best pitcher in the NL this year. He just doesn’t have the wins because he plays on a horrible team.
People get too caught up on potential. The chances of Joba Chamberlain being as good as Dan Haren – on a consistent basis – are slim.
Haren for Joba? Please. That’s an easy decision.
nice hit ajax!
That’s what Jackson offers. Line drive, gap power
big rip, would have been nice if the camera didnt try to trick us into thinking it was a foul ball
Ajax is wearing his idol’s # 24.
BTW he fast.
Brandon, I agree, that’s far too much to even consider….I’m not inclined to have Montero offered for Halliday….Actually, SJ earlier today had a nice proposal for a trade for Halliday…..Rios is a good fir, as the Yanks will need to replace Damon next season…..No to Bay & Holliday….Figgins would work well in 2010…..
Dan Haren is overrated..and is 28 yrs. old a sinkerballer nothing special, he’s just having a career yr.
That’s pretty cool that Reggie is so dedicated to his “special advisor” role for the Yankees. I love how he went to Triple A to mentor AJax. I wasn’t around for Reggie’s “BS” and allegedly “me-first” attitude in the late 70s, but from the information I get about his job for the Yanks, he seems really dedicated to the success of the team in subtle ways (rather than, say 3 home runs in one WS game).
“Ajax is wearing his idol’s # 24. ”
Robbie? seriously, who?
he fast.
“Robbie? seriously, who?”
Griffey Jr.
Brandon…ahh thanks dude.
GB7.
All is well in Moose Tongue. The ferry home this eve was amazing as always. 72 and sunny. Just slightly nicer than Tybee…Still looking for the tank top shops out here…No luck.
-dennis
“Griffey Jr.”
They’re both wearing Willie Mays number.
That’s why 24 is important. That’s why griffey picked the number in the first place.
rconn.
Really enjoy your posts. You always are a voice of reason and are consistent.
-dennis
The talk about Haren is fairly fruitless anyway–as far as we know Arizona’s made no indication that Haren is on the block.
Arizona’s got a lot of really young players that just haven’t played like they were supposed to this year. It will be interesting to see what the team does in the offseason–if it plods the course or tries something utterly different.
Haren was a excellent pitcher with Oakland before the trade.
Had a 3.07 ERA his last year in the AL. He’s a sinkerballer who strikes out people, unlike Wang.
He had 206 strikeouts in 216 innings. That’s power pitching. And he doesn’t walk anybody.
A career year? Sure. But a 2.01 ERA for a starter would be a career year for almost anyone.
dennis-Costanza
July 15th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
GB7.
All is well in Moose Tongue. The ferry home this eve was amazing as always. 72 and sunny. Just slightly nicer than Tybee…Still looking for the tank top shops out here…No luck.
-dennis
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Hey, Dennis. Happy you had a great day on a ferry around Moose Tongue. Wearing out another pair of flip flops, today?
That just doesn’t sound right. Happy that your boat trip went well.
Love Tybee at this time of the year. At my age, all I can find are old ladies that shop for tank bottoms. i do love the shops and food out there, though. There and Thunderbolt.
I would not complain if Haren became a Yankee. I just don’t think it’s going to happen, haha.
Haren is a very good pitcher, not near Doc but very good. Anybody know whats going on with Betances/Brackman? Are those 2 still relevant?
Thanks Dennis. At least I try to be:)
Rebecca,
Very true about Haren. Why would they trade him? He’s dominant.
Haren not worth Joba + Montero. Only a moron would think that he has that type of value, put a SP like Haren in the AL East he’d get killed.
this guy is going to steal 2nd.
“Haren is a very good pitcher, not near Doc but very good. Anybody know whats going on with Betances/Brackman? Are those 2 still relevant?”
Betances is injured.
Brackman is pitching for Charleston and having some major control and command issues, though he was much better last time out. Still a very long way off. It’s only his first year back from Tommy John surgery; you’re supposed to wait till the second year back to really know what you have.
“Haren not worth Joba + Montero. Only a moron would think that he has that type of value, put a SP like Haren in the AL East he’d get killed.”
haren is w/o a doubt a fantastic pitcher…hes got big time skills…i dont think he would get killed in the AL east at all
Young is like his daddy. he’s a speed burner….48 steals so far. He’s gone on 1st or 2nd pitch.
GB7.
I have no reply. Tank bottoms was hysterical. You win.
CB.
Hey. Hope you are well. We need baseball quickly as there may be posts that the Yanks are trading for every All Star as well as trading Costanza…
-dennis
“haren is w/o a doubt a fantastic pitcher…hes got big time skills…i dont think he would get killed in the AL east at all”
This is what overrating players that don’t play in this league is. Haren is 28 not gonna get any better and srsly is not worth Joba + Jesus. Maybe not even one of them.
Okay, I don’t know if Erin Andrews wears this dress for the actual ESPY’s, but some of you might want to watch the award show just to find out.
Rebecca- Disappointing that Betances is injured
I kind of expected Brackman to have some control issues he is like 6′10! I think the Yanks are one quality pitcher away from really being WS contenders, I’m not sure if Pettitte as your 3 in a short series is doing it.
Dennis, that’s not too bad – of course, it’s always rougher for the Jays what with the exchange rate. The Jays are going to have some pitchers rehabbing next year -do they really want a veteran who goes 5/6 innings tops?
I just came back from the Eastern League All Star Game. There were way too many walks on both ends. McAllister was the best pitcher in my opinion.
Tony Sanchez who? Kratz is killin it
GB, who’s Young and who’s his daddy? Thanks!
Haren had a 3.07 ERA his last year with the A’s. He gave the Yankees fits the few times they faced him.
You can say any pitcher that’s been in the NL West would have an adjustment period in the AL East. That goes for Tim Lincecum and Cain.
Again, Haren is a proven pitcher. He just is. He has a POWER sinker and has a terrific strikeout rate. His walk rate is phenomenal.
It’s all hypothetical, because such a trade would likely never happen. At least not now.
But the Diamonbacks would hang up laughing if you offered Chamberlain straight up for Haren. A guy who can’t go more than five innings with a questionable injury history for a 215 innings horse who goes deep into games.
Yeah, great deal.
We all hopes Chamberlain can become a great pitcher one day. But Dan Haren is a proven frontline starter and those aren’t easy to find.
John Manuel from Baseball America (via SI) gives his ‘Ten Minor Leaguers Most Likely to Become All-Stars’. His Jesus Mon(s)tero write-up:
4) Jesus Montero, C, Yankees
If the massive Montero (listed at 6-foot-4, 225 pounds) can remain behind the plate early in his career, he should become a fixture as an All-Star. He has exceptional feel for getting the barrel of the bat to the ball and squaring it up, and his size and strength translate into excellent raw power. Offensively he’s the equal of Heyward, Stanton and Smoak. He is far less athletic than the two outfielders, though, and likely will have to move to first base or DH in the major leagues. He has arm strength to catch but is too big and bulky to be an effective receiver or blocker. As hard as he works defensively, most scouts project him to be no more than below-average. Can he hit like Mike Piazza and be so good offensively that it will mitigate his defense? While his minor league track record is strong, production like Piazza’s — the greatest-hitting catcher ever — seems too much to ask.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....ref=sihpT1
Betsy…
Hint:
Souvaneeah city!!!
Haren = Overrated
Haren’s ERA vs. AL East -
Boston – 2.65 ERA (3.18 in Fenway)
Baltimore – 3.30 ERA (1.67 in Camden Yards)
Yankees – 3.77 ERA (3.15 at the stadium)
Tampa – 2.74 ERA (3.81 in Tropicana)
Toronto – 5.77 ERA (7.20 in Rogers Centre)
and vs. LAA – 3.75 ERA (4.05 in Angels Stadium)
Also has a 3.12 ERA in 20 postseason innings, FWIW.
He’s legit… he can pitch anywhere.
It’s your opinion but he’s dominating the competition even more than Lincecum this year.
He’s a dominant strikeout pitcher.
The numbers prove it and it really shouldn’t be up for debate.
Haren has a nasty splitter and his stuff moves so much. He did well in the AL before, he’d have no problem adjusting here.
Like Sabathia… he is otherworldly in the NL, but still very good in the AL.
ARZ isin’t shopping him, so it is a moot point.
Haren has AJ stuff but is more consistent.
-dennis
“Boston – 2.65 ERA (3.18 in Fenway)
Baltimore – 3.30 ERA (1.67 in Camden Yards)
Yankees – 3.77 ERA (3.15 at the stadium)
Tampa – 2.74 ERA (3.81 in Tropicana)”
Stop posting stats here… Haren sucks, he can’t pitch outside of the NL West.
OVERRATED !
Do some of you watch baseball?
Dan Haren has some of the best stuff in baseball. One of the nastiest splitters in baseball, throws mid 90s, impeccable control. Has some of the best movement in the league.
If anything, he is underrated.
dennis-Costanza
July 15th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Haren has AJ stuff but is more consistent.
-dennis
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Agree. Excellent pitcher, underrated if you think about it.
I feel like Haren is merely rated
Your actually going to tell this fanbase/organization to trade Jesus Montero/Joba for Dan Haren…Dan Haren really ? 28 yr. old Dan Haren ? once upon a time Javier Vasquez was a stud, Dan Haren at best is a #2 or 3 SP in the AL East. Hes not worth a Joba/Jesus.
who’s this RJ Swindle and why is his curveball 49 mph
Brandon – That is a ridiculous package for almost anyone in the league except a couple of guys.
But it doesn’t mean Haren isin’t an excellent pitcher.
Betsy
July 15th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
GB, who’s Young and who’s his daddy? Thanks!
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Eric Young, Jr. is the PCL 2nd baseman. His father played for the Dodgers, Cubs, Rangers, Rockies and others for years. 465 stolen bases and about 1800 hits. Junior plays in the Rockies system.
Souvenir City? LOL I don’t get it at all…….
“Brandon – That is a ridiculous package for almost anyone in the league except a couple of guys.”
Exactly and Dan Haren isn’t one of those guys.
Brandon: I wouldn’t trade Joba AND Jesus for anyone.
But if there was a Joba-Jackson-Melancon ish deal on the table for Haren, it’d be hard to say no.
Especially if the Yankees can’t figure out what’s wrong with Joba.
Thanks, GB! I remember Eric Young – I think he’s on Baseball Tonight occasionally. He seems awfully young to have a kid old enough to play minor league baseball…….
rconn-
I hear ya buddy.
Brandon= Overrated
For Doc Halladay, I wouldn’t give up more than McAllister, Dunn, and maybe Shelly Duncan or someone.
Halladay is on the downside, Joba is on the upswing. Makes no sense to make that trade.
Dan Haren is not being traded – how’d this even come up?
“Your actually going to tell this fanbase/organization to trade Jesus Montero/Joba for Dan Haren”
unless your name is Tim Lincecum.
“I hear ya buddy.
Brandon= Overrated”
Me = Too Awesome
You = L O S E……:lol: (stops to not hurt feelings)
dennis-Costanza
July 15th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Haren has AJ stuff but is more consistent.
-dennis
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I always thought that Haren reminded my of a younger version of Jack Morris as far as stuff…just better control. Outstanding pitcher anywhere.
Joba is on the upswing?
Please advise if you have time. Thanks.
-dennis
People want to trade Joba for Halladay because it is a “what have you done lately for me” world.
If TOR demanded Hughes instead of Joba, I bet many people who want to make the trade now would back off.
Bada-Bing Bada-Boom
IT’S WORTH IT!
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....?track=rss
Me = Too Awesome
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Good stuff, but I never lose.
As Hank said a couple years ago when he was asked if Joba was a candidate to be included in a Santana trade:
“I’m not trading a guy aho throws 100 MPH”.
Same holds true today. You don’t trade guys who throw 100 MPH.
Jake
Won’t happen.
GB7.
Agreed.
Great commmand and great secondary stuff. The AL East would not hurt him at all IMO.
-dennis
“I always thought that Haren reminded my of a younger version of Jack Morris as far as stuff…just better control. Outstanding pitcher anywhere.”
GB; I only had the opportunity to see Morris pitch towards the tail end of his career with the Blue Jays and Indians, but did he throw as hard early in his career as Haren does?
Betsy
July 16th, 2009 at 12:06 am
Thanks, GB! I remember Eric Young – I think he’s on Baseball Tonight occasionally. He seems awfully young to have a kid old enough to play minor league baseball…….
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Sr. is 42 now and retired in ‘06. Junior is 24 and started in ‘04.
The only way I think of dealing Hughes or Joba or Montero is if we’re talking young cost controlled STUD
King Felix
Josh Johnson
Tim Lincecum
maybe even Edison Volquez (whatever happened to him ?)
“OVERRATED !”
It’s OK Brandon you don’t have to yell:)
Ramey
July 16th, 2009 at 12:13 am
“I always thought that Haren reminded my of a younger version of Jack Morris as far as stuff…just better control. Outstanding pitcher anywhere.”
GB; I only had the opportunity to see Morris pitch towards the tail end of his career with the Blue Jays and Indians, but did he throw as hard early in his career as Haren does?
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Mid to upper ’90s, then the split was in at about 94. Smoltz is another good comparison.
Brandon…Volquez landed on the DL after 2 weeks in the season then came off, went back in immediately a day after he was activiated off the DL.
checks stats forget Volquez but I’d wonder if we can steal him
Hank is a bloward who knows nothing about baseball; quoting him doesn’t help your case.
I’m sorry Jake, but Wells’ .312 OBP is not top-five in baseball. You mean to tell me that that’s better than Matt Kemp, Adam Jones, Torii Hunter, Justin Upton and Franklin Guittierez, when he’s already worse than Brett Cabrera/Melky Gardner?
No way.
No way.
“For Doc Halladay, I wouldn’t give up more than McAllister, Dunn, and maybe Shelly Duncan or someone.
Halladay is on the downside, Joba is on the upswing. Makes no sense to make that trade.”
If you think you can get Halladay for McAllister, Dunn and Shelley Duncan, please, for the love of Jesus Montero, tell me what you’re smoking and where I can find some…
Brandon,
Volquez pitched in the WBC in March, then went on the DL in May with an injury, came off the DL 15 days later, only to injure himself again after the first inning of his first game back. He’s been out since the beginning of June and is said to be at least another 4 to 6 weeks away from returning, since he’s still limited to just long toss now.
dennis-Costanza
July 16th, 2009 at 12:12 am
GB7.
Agreed.
Great commmand and great secondary stuff. The AL East would not hurt him at all IMO.
-dennis
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Unless Haren is a Yankee, he’s just fine in ‘Zona. I don’t know that he would move from the west coast area. He has family in Mexico, arizona and California.
Why did Dusty Baker ruin Volquez and Cueto
CARL,
I have to follow Pete’s rules of how we should disagree..
“I’m sorry that i tend to disagree with you, but i think…”
Wait what am i talking about? I think he’s talking about stuff where it can be backed up by both sides…
YOU ARE JUST SO WRONG!!!
Wells is just having an off year, but if you put him in our lineup in our stadium, he will thrive, we know how he hit the past couple year..if we treat everyone else who has one bad year like we are treating him, then teams would give up on everyone! EVERYONE saw how he was the BEST hitting CF in the league. He will return! and honestly, we have the money to spend, and if that means Halladay along with it, with us not having to give up a TON of prospects b/c we are taking Wells, its a DOUBLE-WIN for us!
Brandon: Volquez and Cueto have fallen victim to Dusty Baker, who, like Joe Torre, ought to be banished and forbidden from ever, ever, ever handling a pitching staff (Dusty starters and Torre the pen…*shudder*)
GB, thanks! I always think it’s neat when former ballplayers have sons in the pros……and especially when they make it to the majors.
GB;
Thanks. Haren definitely seems like he has a little John Smoltz in him. Except, I could be a little biased, since Smoltz is one of my favorites of all-time, but I don’t think Haren will see the same career success that Smoltz has seen, but certainly comparable stuff.
Joba? That ship has sailed people. His stock is at it’s lowest point right now. The other Teams see the same thing we do. A year ago, the thought of trading the guy was unthinkable and now everyone wants to trade him, why?
from 120 IP to 196.0 IP
Jake
It’s just too much money for a player that is not that good.
Cashman isin’t trading Hughes or Joba. I don’t know what indication he has given that he will.
Just a pipe dream to buy time during a slow news week… nothing more.
Vernon Wells
http://www.baseball-reference......html?redir
Great in 2003 but has never lived up to that.
He’s been hurt, and I’m sorry, but the Yankees aren’t about to pay–or shouldn’t be about to pay–$20 million for something someone did six years ago.
Rebecca, don’t forget Mark Prior. that dude is still rehabbing.
Dusty Baker needs to get an ass kicking, so does Torre one day, I know Scott Proctor, Quantrill, Sturtzy and Tom Gordon sure would be first in line.
Ramey
July 16th, 2009 at 12:19 am
GB;
Thanks. Haren definitely seems like he has a little John Smoltz in him. Except, I could be a little biased, since Smoltz is one of my favorites of all-time, but I don’t think Haren will see the same career success that Smoltz has seen, but certainly comparable stuff.
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The biggest difference in Haren and Smoltz is that Haren has a smoother delivery and not as likely to have Smoltz’ arm and elbow trouble.
Joba hasn’t thrown 100 mph in 2 years.
“Same holds true today. You don’t trade guys who throw 100 MPH.”
He doesn’t throw 100 mph anymore.
And besides, Joel Zumaya throws 100. Can’t stay healthy and isn’t consistent when he is.
Matt Lindstrom throws 100 mph. He is injured and has a 6.52 ERA.
Anyone remember Billy Koch? He threw 100 mph and stunk.
I don’t even have to mention Krazy Kyle do I?
There is more than trying to throw the ball through a wall.
You actually have to know how to pitch.
I love how people think JP will just take Joba off our hands, at his lowest possible value, for his franchise pitcher.
We want to get rid of him because he apparently is stubborn, has a big head, doesn’t listen to advice, doesn’t throw as hard as he once did, and is potentially still feeling the effects of his shoulder injury.
So then why would TOR want him?
Betsy
July 16th, 2009 at 12:19 am
GB, thanks! I always think it’s neat when former ballplayers have sons in the pros……and especially when they make it to the majors.
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I’m sure that Sr. was hoping to stick around long enough to play on the same team as his son. Probably missed it by 3 years. Sr. is broadcating the All=Star game tonight.
>Dusty Baker needs to get an ass kicking, so does Torre one day,
>I know Scott Proctor, Quantrill, Sturtzy and Tom Gordon
>sure would be first in line.
Naturally, they would literally be relegated to kicking.
How do we even know that Toronto values Joba as a starter and not as a reliever?
It’s fun to talk about these fantasy trade proposals, and some of them are very creative and would probably get it done… just don’t get your hopes up about acquiring him.
I would bet my right arm that the Jays want Hughes over Joba.
I disagree, players play better when they are surrounded by better hitters…just look at Tex when arod came back and look how arod has done better since posada and cano have been doin better. Everyone effects each other and honestly, the only good hitters in that lineup are hill,lind and half and half rios.
But!!
When you stick him in this lineup…
Jeter
Damon
Wells
Arod
Tex
Posada
Matsui
Cano
Melky
He will do a TON better and that will only make arod better, putting tex behind arod. and that will make wells better by putting wells in front of arod. Tex is fine cuz he’s just a beast and having an awesome year..but then you have posada following him who’s also very dangerous this year…
EVERY player in that lineup is dangerous and can hurt you.
And on TOP of that!!…WE get the best pitcher in baseball..
Halladay
C.C.
AJ
Joba
Pettite **That makes joba and pettites struggles seem a
lot less serious**
We trade Gardner, McAllister (spelling?), and Brackman/Betances and take on all of the $$ in in Wells…Jays will jump on that when they see the other offers, cuz they are only goin to decrease as time goes on and 2 draft picks wont be NEARLY as sufficient.
I mean, McAllister is gonna be good, gardner is showing a lot of potential, and brackman or betances are a work in progress with potentially a VERY high reward..it is a really FAIR deal for both sides.
Upon further review I’d take Vernon Wells deal, if we can get Halladay for lesser players
Thanks “al from BK” you have some common sense in you
congrats!!!
Im glad that you see along with me how its totally worth it
JMO, but please tell me JP’s upside to trade in the division from a career stand point? You do not keep your job for a “5 year plan” regardless of ownership. The Jays will not trade in the AL East IMO. The “best package” is horse droppings. JP will showcase what looks like the best deal without helping AL East teams. That is my opinion. I will be the first on here to say I am wrong if he does.
-dennis
If you want Dan Haren, be prepared to take the remainder of Eric Byrnes contract thru 2010 at 11M/year, and maybe the Diamondbacks will be interested in a deal.
Unless someone here knows what the Yankees net revenue will be this year in this economy, don’t get your hopes up that the Yankees will trade for Halladay, and be prepared to extend him for CC type money, not to mention the absurd notion that we would take on Wells contract, or even a large portion of it to consummate a deal.
The best scenario would be to steer Halladay to the NL, and IMO, the Red Sox will be looking to trade for Victor Martinez for 1st/C and Tejada for SS.
Even though Halladay is the best over 32yo pitcher in the league, along with oft injured Chris Carpenter, after watching him pitch last night[was it nerves/rustiness/lingering injury?] I’m in no way prepared to give them Joba or Montero. Not suggesting that Joba be moved back to the pen, but who says he can’t be the dominant fireballer, heir apparent to MO, that he was two years ago??
“How do we even know that Toronto values Joba as a starter and not as a reliever? ”
Even still, he would have to be fixed. No one drops that much on their fastball coming out of the pen.
Agree\.
Don’t want to give up the farm? We don’t have to. Just take Wells off their hands.
Of course, it kills our flexibility, but we keep most of uor prime young talent.
hmm yeah…I still rather have the combo of Melky and Gardner than Wells. Wells is on the decline.
“How do we even know that Toronto values Joba as a starter and not as a reliever? ”
you don’t trade Halladay for a relief pitcher (unless that pitcher’s Mariano Rivera just entering his prime…and even then it’s a toss up).
If the Jays think Joba is a reliever, that means that they’d have to get Hughes from the Yankees or it’s no go–and I can’t imagine why the Yankees would want to part with Hughes at this point.
Joba you can make a case for (albeit not one I agree with), in that he’s been injured and has been inconsistent and may not become what we thought he would.
this is the first season Hughes has been healthy since 2006, and we are really, finally, beginning to see what Hughes can do when healthy. Don’t get fooled by the bullpen–he was improving as a starter, too.
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2009
All of the May games, Hughes was a starter…the one Baltimore start was ugly and lots of five inning starts, but the strike outs were trending up and the walks down–
In other words, Hughes has been getting better all year.
“hmm yeah…I still rather have the combo of Melky and Gardner than Wells. Wells is on the decline.”
Me too.
If you want to trade Joba, don’t let him start Sunday
Cabrera, Ordonez, Granderson, Inge etc. will tattoo his 92 MPH fastball and won’t swing at any of his breaking pitches.
If you want to trade Joba, don’t let him start Sunday
Cabrera, Ordonez, Granderson, Inge etc. will tattoo his 92 MPH fastball and won’t swing at any of his breaking pitches.
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Reminds me of the All Star game last night, when the bottom of the NL order, than Prince Fielder pinch-hitting, all tattooed Halladay, and his 92 mph fastball!.
Isin’t it the Yankees fault that they stretched him out so hastily last year to begin with?
You don’t grade pitchers in All-Star games.
No one scouts pitchers in an exhibition scenario.
I guess Lincecum stinks too now. Give me a break.
“If you want to trade Joba, don’t let him start Sunday
Cabrera, Ordonez, Granderson, Inge etc. will tattoo his 92 MPH fastball and won’t swing at any of his breaking pitches.”
thats why he had his best start of the year against the tigers right?
Maybe Kroenke’s one inning and two strikeouts tonight will interest a team as part of a trade.
I drooled tonight when Jackson hit that line drive triple in the All-Star game
They better not trade him for Doc. Jackson can be a special, special player, just like Gardner. Speed and explosiveness is a valuable tool.
>thats why he had his best start of the year against the tigers right?
ONE OF his best stats of the year.
Let’s not forget 06/01/09 @ CLE.
Wells contract is a big time albatross, but he is a decent albeit not for the money player. Halladay is Halladay.
Wells’ .312 OBP is not decent. There’s no way to convince me otherwise.
He had one great season. The rest of his career numbers are ‘eh’.
We’re getting better from the McClutchersons
“special player, just like Gardner. Speed and explosiveness is a valuable tool.”
If we’re holding onto the kid he ought to be better than Gardner. I’m thinking Torii Hunter/Mike Cameron.
Wells hit 20 HRs last year
Wake me up when Gardner/Melky do that
Wake me up when Gardner/Melky do that
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I’ll wake you up in october, they’ll do it…
combined! While making 10 mil less than Wells B)
“They better not trade him for Doc. Jackson can be a special, special player, just like Gardner. Speed and explosiveness is a valuable tool.”
Gardner is a 5th OF on a good team.
Jackson is a 4th OF until he hits for some power.
Wells might just need a change of scneery. He still has tremendous talent. Can’t be easy playing for a team that has no shot at the playoffs yar after year.
Hitting for power ain’t everything.
Guys gotta hit for average and take walks– OBP is perhaps the most important of all the batting stats.
You want Melky and Gardner to get on base. They are.
Vernon Wells? He ain’t.
On a good team Gardner is the most dangerous man in the lineup, because he looks small, but he can rope an XBH or pull a ball down the line, and if you fall asleep thinking you can catch your breath against him all of a sudden he is on second or worse and you’re facing Derek Fn Jeter.
Don’t mess with Brett
Brett the Threat
Jackson is a Curtis Granderson type player he can hit for some power but he is more of a gap hitter and then lets his speed do the work he isnt a HR hitter. that doesnt make him any less of a good player
Some might say this is asenine, but Jackson has a Jeter type swing. Most of his power is the other way, and he’s the type of guy that won’t add power til later, just like Jeter did. If you look at their minor league SLG numbers, they are very similar, and Jackson’s are actually a bit beter. If you ask me, Jackson’s ceiling is attainable, but not crazy high: .290-.310/.350/.475/15-20 HR/80-100 RBI depending on where he bats, with a lot of Ks and good D and baserunning.
Another thing about Jackson…scouts say he has a “feel for the game” and certain intangible qualities. And although Jackson may not have power now, he has a very wiry frame and could put on a good amount of muscle as he fills out. I’d compare him to B.J. Upton, with less power, a weaker throwing arm, but probably more likely to hit for AVG.
I’m convinced that Wells is pretty much done. While he might be useful to some teams for the next season and a half, nobody wants to pay that much for what he’s likely to produce… and the Yankees don’t have a spot for him even if he were cheaper.
Tradeking have been a good broker to me for a while now. There great value and have a good platform.