SI: Deal with Arredondo is off
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 16, 2009 
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According to Sports Illustrated, MLB has discovered that Yankees signee Damian Arredondo is older than 16 and not who he says he is.
The $850,000 deal was contingent on “Arredondo” passing an investigation. Now the player faces suspension.
This is not uncommon when dealing with Latin American prospects. Only recently has MLB started investigating the ages and identities of these prospects. In this case, it saved the Yankees from being swindled.
Dare I say: Good job MLB
I wonder if Cash will use that money saved to go after Sano, as long as he really is 16
Sano or the Cuban defector… Aroldis Chapman
Yankees aren’t getting Sano…haven’t read anything to suggest they are.
My guess is that they’ll try to use the money on a few cheaper players they are interested in instead of throwing it all at one player…that “one player” may not even exist on their list anymore.
“Only recently has MLB started investigating the ages and identities of these prospects”
Pete – you getting tired? There is an Angel Berroa joke there ripe for the picking.
So what if this guy turns out to be 18 and his name is Jorge Velez? They wouldn’t want him anymore?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2oEJ7mfwA
Video from Nick’s visit to Foley’s
KO- No they would not want him. Whatever performance he was putting out is likely above average for a 16 year old. Not so much for an 18 or 19 year old.
Good news-
Just under 22 hours until Yankee baseball!!!!!!!
jennifer
July 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2oEJ7mfwA
Video from Nick’s visit to Foley’s
Thanks jennifer, been meaning to go there.
when is the Lohud meetup at Foley’s??
Think if I come back in a week, the same arguments about Doc will still be going on?
I can totally see both sides, and that’s what makes a deal or no deal for Halladay a win/win situation.
But using the “Doc doesn’t guarantee anything” argument isn’t valid.
Staying pat doesn’t guarantee anything.
Getting Haren (no problem) doesn’t guarantee anything.
Getting Washburn (still going to cost you) doesn’t guarantee anything.
The only question is do we need starting pitching? (most likely yes).
The second quesiton is could Halladay help the Yankees?
Plenty of pieces to get this done if the Yankees want. I can see the Yankees getting it done without Joba, Hughes, or Jesus. I could see it getting done without a 72-hour window for an extension. It’s just a matter of who else wants him and how badly they need him.
If the price in prospects is too high, the Yankees can simply pass. But the Yankees finally have the pieces to deal, if it’s not for Halladay it’ll be for someone else. A lot of these prospects won’t even see the Bronx.
Erica – always OPPC
July 16th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Good news-
Just under 22 hours until Yankee baseball!!!!!!!
uuug
I can’t watch until Monday
Doreen
July 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
GreenBeret7
July 16th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Well, looks like something is afoot. Jackson isn’t playing tonight, though Duncan is.
j/k. Just wanted to start a completely new set of rumors swimming around.
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Doreen
July 16th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
GB7 =
What’s that? Something’s wrong with Jackson’s foot?????
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Just playing along, GB.
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Whew!!! Never try giving old guys like Randy and PAT M scares like that. Geezers have weak hearts.
I knew you were kidding along, but, those two old guys didn’t.
I realize that this is off topic – and I also realize that Derek Jeter’s house location is a matter of public record and you can Google Map it or whatever… but there is something seriously wrong with a newspaper publishing his address. Seriously wrong. He’s a public figure but a private citizen and he’s had racist threats made against him. It’s not a paper’s job to give out that kind of information. Let the guy live. Ah. I feel better. Have a good night.
RayVT
July 16th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
GB
Swish isn’t going to be cheap. $6.5M 2010 & $9M in 2011. I think they would prefer a lower priced option & they have someone in AAA I believe.
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Yeah, but, it’s a weak market and LaRoche and Huff will cost more for longer than Swisher would. Swisher can give them good production there at two positions.
It still gives them a 45 million dollar break.
Erica: May be more than 22 hrs with the weather forecast -_-
randy l.
July 16th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
“Wonder what he has left?”
gb7-
those hernandezes just keep on going.
whover taught them how to pitch deserves some sort of honor.
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Their daddy was a big time pitcher for years, down in Cuba. That and any tips they picked up from Fidel. He’s gotten his reward. The USA gave him a job for 50 years.
Uncle Ellsworth
Don’t know. lol
I am in the video too. You can just see the back of my head though.
jennifer, thanks for the link. I’ve got to get there.
Rebecca-
I live in a world where rain doesn’t exist
Uncle E-
Why no watching??? Do you suddenly have new priorities??
El Duque Hernandez is being released by the rangers I think the yankees should sign him. He could make a good 5th starter if Mitre fails. Plus he is a big game pitcher.
I’m very surprised Jeter chose to build there. Its not a gated area & even if they put a gate up, thats not going to stop anyone from driving/stopping by. Very open to the public. Plus, its an evacuation zone. Davis Island is a very nice area to live in though, I must say. You got the water & private airport.
Let’s just hope that Selena Roberts isn’t in the neighborhood.
Uncle E-
Why no watching??? Do you suddenly have new priorities??
nah going to my Bud’s place Cape Cod, he has no TV. He’s having a big party on sat that’ll be fun. I can check scores via phone. Yanks usually do well while I’m up there
I was up there for the Joba/Beckett game. House full of Rabid sox fans, it got a little tense whe Mo closed it out.
Getting closer to Friday
Montero is 1-2 with an RBI single. 3-3 tie for Trenton.
“El Duque Hernandez is being released by the rangers I think the yankees should sign him. He could make a good 5th starter if Mitre fails. Plus he is a big game pitcher.”
WAS a big game pitcher. The guy is ancient, and was released from the Rangers because his velocity was non-existent, and he didn’t have command of his stuff. That would be a disastrous signing. Pass.
“Montero is 1-2 with an RBI single. 3-3 tie for Trenton.”
Whoa, I didn’t even realize they were playing today!
S.A.–Serenity Now
July 16th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Getting closer to Friday
***
21 Hours and 30 minutes until Yankee baseball
There goes Jose Reyes Jr. or BUST.
P.S. SHUT UP ABOUT HAREN !
Rebecca, you took a rest from Montero watch? im shocked!
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
“Montero is 1-2 with an RBI single. 3-3 tie for Trenton.”
Whoa, I didn’t even realize they were playing today!
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Yeah, the entire system is playing tonight, except for the adults.
My Momma used to say awesome is as awesome does
You think Montero will be called up in Sept. Even if he is not “active”. For the experience atmosphere etc.
same question for Romine
Pretty sure Frankie will be playing as much as is prudent.
9/11 changed everything in terms of age checking.
Uncle: I would not be shocked, but I think it will have to do with where the Yankees are in the standings.
I doubt that either of them would get a call-up considering that would mean adding them to the 40 man before they need to. I can see them doing what they did with (I think) Jeter in ’95 and inviting them to travel with the team when their season is over.
Rebecca, So what’s your stance regarding Halliday and bringing him to The Bronx ???? Or are you from the school of thought just to take a pass…..Club does need another starter….
“El Duque Hernandez is being released by the rangers I think the yankees should sign him. He could make a good 5th starter if Mitre fails. Plus he is a big game pitcher.”
He is also 65 years old. No thanks.
Who else gets the call.
Pena
Cisco
Mel
Ajax
call for what?
September call-ups
wait, is Melancon Active now?
Alby is down?
Hey GB twins? how are they?
Uncle Ellsworth
July 16th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
September call-ups
wait, is Melancon Active now?
Alby is down?
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yes and yes
Who else gets the call.
Pena
Cisco
Mel
Ajax
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Probably most likely Cisco & Peña. Maybe AJax too.
ok thanks Erica
Laura – I’m ready for the second half. Are the Yankees??
July 16th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
“El Duque Hernandez is being released by the rangers I think the yankees should sign him. He could make a good 5th starter if Mitre fails. Plus he is a big game pitcher.”
He is also 65 years old. No thanks.
He would also serve as a great recruiter with Aroldis Chapman. I remember alot of ppl wanted to sign El Duque quick and put him to work with Chapman without realizing he was with the Rangers… This could be the Yankees chance.
“El Duque Hernandez is being released by the rangers I think the yankees should sign him. He could make a good 5th starter if Mitre fails. Plus he is a big game pitcher.”
He is also 65 years old. No thanks.
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He is not 65, he’s 67!!
They should sign him as a scout and have him entice Chapman to sign with the Yankees! El Duque would be like a “good Luck” charm!
1. El Duque can outperform Andy
3. El Duque can outperform Joba
4. El Duque can outperform Mitre
5. He can be a prime recruiting chip for Chapman
Pat M: I’ll answer in a second, am on the phone
“The USA gave him a job for 50 years.”
gb7-
kind of like you, and you both get paid for doing nothing now
i didn’t know that about their father, interesting.
it’d be a good story to hear especially from livan’s and orlando’s viewpoints.
jennifer
July 16th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Hey GB twins? how are they?
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The womb mates are still waiting to break out of jail, Rebecca. Thanks for asking. Doctors said they were due on 24 august, their great grandmother’s birthday, but, doctors will take them about the first week in August.
OK, since there is no baseball tonight and I am bored, let’s play the 40 man roster game. Minus next to their name means that by the Rule 5 draft, they will not be on the roster anymore. Agree or disagree, and who gets spots to be protected?
Currently it is:
Pitchers-
Aceves
Alby
Brackman
-Bruney
AJ
Joba
Claggett
Coke
De La Rosa
Dunn
-Garcia
Hughes
IPK
Marte
Melancon
-Andy
-Edwar
Mo
Robertson
CC
-Tomko
CMW
Depending on what happens with Wanger, we may see one of those spots taken up by a FA starting pitcher signing. Otherwise, I am guessing we will be protecting some more of those young arms with most of these spots.
Catchers-
-Cash
Cisco
-Molina
Jorge
Anyone else think that one or both of these open slots are going to go to pitchers? I guess a lot depends on Jorge’s health.
Infielders-
Robbie
Jeter
-Miranda
Pena
-Ransom
A-Rod
Tex
I can see a case for keeping Miranda possibly being made, but these seem like 2 spots that will go to, you guessed it, pitchers.
Outfielders-
Cabrera
-Damon
Gardner
-Hinske
Swisher
-Nady
-Matsui
AJax will most likely have one of these spots, and it is possible Shelley could force them to protect him. Also, most likely one of these spots goes to whoever they sign or trade for in the offseason to round out the OF. Other than that, are we looking at more pitchers?
*This is all kinda guessing b/c I have no clue who will be Rule 5 eligible.
randy l.
July 16th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
“The USA gave him a job for 50 years.”
gb7-
kind of like you, and you both get paid for doing nothing now
i didn’t know that about their father, interesting.
it’d be a good story to hear especially from livan’s and orlando’s viewpoints.
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I’d read somewhere that the old man was teammates with Luis Tiant’s father, but, I don’t know if that wa true or not.
Miranda can serve as a recruiting tool as well. Just don’t let him talk to Contreras and we should be OK.
Scranton wins on de Caster’s walkoff homer.
Expect the Unexpected if he sign El Duque..for example
I remember when we traded El Duque to the Expos
My Reaction: “He’s Done”
When El Duque came back in 04 and was our 3 starter
My Reaction: “How is he doing this..isn’t he like 70?”
When El Duque went to the Mets
My Reaction: “I knew he was a defector..but i didnt think he’d go this far”
If we sign El Duque again
My Reaction Will Be: Ehh..at least he’s not Sidney Ponson
A recruiting chip? Of course, a 21-year-old would be swayed by somebody he doesn’t know and will never play with.
M-O-N-E-Y
He didn’t defect from Cuba to meet El Duque.
Other than the obvious starting pitcher, the player now on the market that i’d like to see NYY pick up is Willie Harris from Washington, who offers everything that Figgins does.
“1. El Duque can outperform Andy
3. El Duque can outperform Joba
4. El Duque can outperform Mitre
5. He can be a prime recruiting chip for Chapman”
hey you forget #2..
but anyways…
false
false
false
most likely irrelevant
nice try though!
Hi Pete – ever the realist.
Hope your enjoying your time off.
If you haven’t guessed, we’re all missing Yankee baseball. Are you off the weekend, too?
Oh, I thought she was going in soon. Tell her to hang in there as long as possible. The longer the better. My cousin went about a month early. Thank god they are healthy, they just had a little Jaundice when they were born, but nothing too serious. Now they are thriving healthy 6 year olds eating their parents out of house and home. They are seriously like little vacuums, but are skin and bones! Have so much energy, way more than me!
GB- I love his contract! Is he lead-off material?
before anyone goes completely off the JOBA Bandwagon, take a look at Greg Maddux’s first two years as a starter with the Cubbies:
1986 20 Chicago NL 6 5 2 4 .333 5.52 1 0 31.0 44 19 3 11 20
1987 21 Chicago NL 30 27 6 14 .300 5.61 1 1 155.7 181 97 17 74 101
Now of course I am not comparing him to Maddux. But I just dont want to see the Yankees make a mistake with either him or Hughes.
They have that much talent and potential. If they didn’t this argument wouldnt even be happening,
We have craved young, cheap, homegrown, talented arms for years. And we finally have some. Just dont want to do anything hastily.
why do we need willie harris when we have a younger version of him in brett gardner who is prbly better anyways
There is only one starting pitcher in the ML with a sub .200 BA against, and you probably guessed it’s Dan Haren with a BA against of .189 and a WHIP of 0.81.
If you plan on giving up the kind of talent ya’ll think it will take to get Halladay without Wells, “MAYBE” and it’s a big maybe, we could take Eric Byrnes remainder contract thru 2010 at 11M/year and somehow work a deal for Haren.
Also, and I know you don’t like him, but Erik Bedard is pitching well, back from injury, a FA after this year, has a BA against of .212 which is 2nd lowest in the ML and possibly could be had without sacrificing Hughes, Joba, Montero , or Jackson.
Don’t shoot me!!
Your new CF for the New York Yankees:
Willie Brett Cabrera
Pete-
I realize that it will definetley come down to Money… But you never know with this kid… maybe talking to him and having ppl in his ear saying how comfortable they were with the Yankees will give a slight advantage. Money is always the name of the game but I just figured it wouldn’t hurt to let Chapman know of the success some defectors have had with the Yankees and how the Bronx is the biggest stage in the world. Just figured it couldn’t possibly hurt along with big green of course
I’ve heard bad things about Bedard’s attitude. I usually let that stuff pass, but it’s clubhouse stink bad.
Bedard is a brat and let’s just say that the Orioles were not sad to part with him.
The New York Yankees name should be enough. We shouldn’t need to sign Contreras, El Duque, or any other defectors to entice him. The name and money should be more than enough.
GB, Willie Harris is a real nice ballplayer….
Pokey
July 16th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
GB- I love his contract! Is he lead-off material?
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I think Harris is more of a 8-9 or 2 type hitter. He can reach the seats on occassion, really good speed and can play any position well, defensively, except catcher and pitcher, and if he tried, he could do that, too.
Gardner has stated his case to be the starting CF next year.
Pat M….
July 16th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
GB, Willie Harris is a real nice ballplayer….
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I was hoping that NYY would have gotten him over the winter. He would have been a pretty decent replacement for Rodriguez when he was out. Plays a very good center field.
Took a peek at mlbtr and saw the bit on Willie Harris. Intriguing.
Also, of interest is that the Red Sox are desperate to move Lugo and his contract. Weren’t the Jays looking for a SS?
Well, they’d definitely need someone to replace Halladay…
Walter, as much as I love GGBG, that is a little delusional. At the most he has earned the right to split time with Melky THIS SEASON. We still have half a season to play, and then there is the A-Jax factor next season.
Lugo would be a huge downgrade from Scuturo.
LOL Pete – I posted this earlier. I think I should start my own blog!
Back to Halladay, are the Jays trying to dump Rios?
Betsy,
You should definitely start your own blog!
People are still penciling in Ajax for next season?
jennifer
July 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Oh, I thought she was going in soon. Tell her to hang in there as long as possible. The longer the better. My cousin went about a month early. Thank god they are healthy, they just had a little Jaundice when they were born, but nothing too serious. Now they are thriving healthy 6 year olds eating their parents out of house and home. They are seriously like little vacuums, but are skin and bones! Have so much energy, way more than me!
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My apologies, Jennifer. can’t figure out why I typed Rebecca’s name. Let’s look around and see who’s not on tonight and I’ll blame them for bad info.
She’s doing really well, except for the Volkswagen she’s carrying. It’s hot down here and she’s really small framed. I’d appreciate it, though if you wouldn’t tell me about horror stories of twins. I’m scared enough.
Betsy: If they are going to start rebuilding, then they probably would wanna dump both Rios and Wells. Problem is that their value is so low right now given they are playing terrible.
Did anyone else have that insane storm hit them today?
Yep, Bedard is known to be rather grumpy to say the least – seems like an angry guy. Compass Rosy or O’s fans would know more, but I don’t think he’d fit in NY – and he’s just not a guy I would take a chance on.
With his numbers right now, excluding HRs, why shouldn’t he be considered?
The Jays would have an easier time dumping Rios, but the Wells contract is the real killer.
“Gardner has stated his case to be the starting CF next year.”
Until Austin Jackson whips out his stick
PAt M: So sorry it’s taken me so long to get back to you, but if you’re still around…
“Rebecca, So what’s your stance regarding Halliday and bringing him to The Bronx ???? Or are you from the school of thought just to take a pass…..Club does need another starter….”
I don’t think the Yankees need Halladay.
I think anyone that does get Halladay right now will probably end up overpaying–especially if Halladay decides he doesn’t like his new team and doesn’t want to sign an extension.
I think what the Yankees DO need, however, is that they do need a #3 starter.
You’re basically replacing Chien Ming Wang here, and Wang wasn’t supposed to be the 4 or 5 starter; he was supposed to be the 3 starter, and you can kind of notice it in the drop off from CC and AJ to Andy and Joba (it’s kinda like CC and AJ and pray for okay/Spahn and Spain and pray for rain)…
But I don’t know what three starters would be available–a lot of the guys rumored are either 4 or 5 starters, or 3 starters in the NL which may not translate to the AL.
Surprise me Cashman.
“People are still penciling in Ajax for next season?”
Yup. Because he is better than him.
Wells’ contract is the killer
Rios’ contract is bad, but not terrible at all.
Christina, makes sense……..but we really haven’t heard much about the Jays trying to dump him. I’m not that familiar with Rios – I know he’s an OF, lol and that’s about it. Could he help us? Even if he couldn’t, if we could get Doc without having to give up Hughes or Joba ( I still doubt it), I’d do it. I don’t think it’s possible, though. It would help if the Jays were looking for a catcher, but I don’t think they are. I know they’re looking for a SS, but Pena is a utility player most likely….
Bedard also has hip issues.
If offers for Doc are equally underwhelming, taking on Rios could tip the scales.
Montero is 2-4 with a pair of RBI singles. Corona is 2-3 with 2 doubles and 4 RBI. Bleich got waxed in 2.2 innings, but Wilkin Aris restored order with 2.1 innins 2 hits and 5 strikeouts. Trenton leads 9-6 in the 8th.
Trade Cano for Dan Haren
but Wilkin ***Arias***
Is Chamberlain a better pitcher with a different manager and pitching coach?
I’d feel better if Ajax played the role that Gardner’s playing now and have him work his way in than just handing him the keys.
“Trade Cano for Dan Haren”
Sparrow, shoot yourself please.
A Mets fan I was just talking to had an interesting point:
maybe some of Joba’s problems are because he didn’t pitch enough in college and the minors and never really built up the proper arm strength.
Do you guys think he has a point here?
Cano and what else?
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 16th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
PAt M: So sorry it’s taken me so long to get back to you, but if you’re still around…
“Rebecca, So what’s your stance regarding Halliday and bringing him to The Bronx ???? Or are you from the school of thought just to take a pass…..Club does need another starter….”
I don’t think the Yankees need Halladay.
I think anyone that does get Halladay right now will probably end up overpaying–especially if Halladay decides he doesn’t like his new team and doesn’t want to sign an extension.
I think what the Yankees DO need, however, is that they do need a #3 starter.
You’re basically replacing Chien Ming Wang here, and Wang wasn’t supposed to be the 4 or 5 starter; he was supposed to be the 3 starter, and you can kind of notice it in the drop off from CC and AJ to Andy and Joba (it’s kinda like CC and AJ and pray for okay/Spahn and Spain and pray for rain)…
But I don’t know what three starters would be available–a lot of the guys rumored are either 4 or 5 starters, or 3 starters in the NL which may not translate to the AL.
Surprise me Cashman.
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Warren Spahn and Johnny Sain. Great pitching combo….both small guys. Sain won a lot of games and titles for the Yanks. A great pitching coach….Jim Kaat swore by him.
The Jays need a good return for Halladay. Tying in Wells’ contract into the trade dilutes the package they get for Doc.
Yeah, they get tremendous financial flexibility, but do they really need it? They are not going to be signing free agents anytime soon, they should be focused on getting prime young talent and building around that like Tampa did and Baltimore is doing. That’s the only way they’ll contend.
What are they going to do with all the money they have off the books? Nothing. JP can’t explain to his fanbase that he gave away Halladay as part of a salary dump…
Gardner’s not facing all pitching yet. He is being pretty strictly platooned. So, he really can’t be considered ready for full-time until he starts having success against lefties. Which means he’s going to have to face some at some point.
Rebecca- I think that the inconsistent performances we saw from the Big 3 was due a lot to not pitching enough in the minors before moving up the ladder. I am very wary of guys coming up who have less than 250-300 minor league innings.
M- I don’t think he should be handed the keys, I just think he will win the job outright in the spring. Plus having a guy like Gardner playing that role is a lot different than having one of your top prospects do it.
Michael Taylor was promoted to AAA today, Doc pre pack your bags to Philly.
“Yeah, they get tremendous financial flexibility, but do they really need it? ”
Due to the fact that Toronto earns money in Canadian dollars and pays salaries in US dollars, they are barely making payroll now (Texas is not making payroll, according to XM), so the answer would be yes.
No Halladay
No Haren
No Washburn
No Lee
Do not expect Cashman to make a big move. He will probably try and buy someone like Ian Snell on the cheap and see if he responds to a change of scenery.
Tony Pena Jr was just DFA…but Cody Ransom is still here.
GB7-
It was Spahn and Sain and pray for rain.–Pretty much what the Yankees have going for them now CC an AJ and pray for off days!
“Do not expect Cashman to make a big move. He will probably try and buy someone like Ian Snell on the cheap and see if he responds to a change of scenery.”
Or Jonathan Sanchez or Jason Marquis
Eric, the salary dump isn’t for free agents. Toronto is kinda over their heads in salary right now.
Tony Pena, Jr. needs to become a pitcher. He has the arm and the bat for it.
Canadian and US dollar are just about even last time I checked, but I do think they have revenue problems.
“Michael Taylor was promoted to AAA today, Doc pre pack your bags to Philly.”
Really?
For reference a “50″ means you are an average pro
Tom (Boston, MA)
Word is that Michael Taylor is getting promoted to AAA. Is it risky to promote someone you’re trying to use as a trading chip?
Keith Law
(1:12 PM)
More reward than risk for a player who’s performing really well, as Taylor was. If he continues to perform at the higher level, his value increases. Speaking of Taylor, had two conversations with scouts about him and Drabek in the last week, and they independently said the same things – Taylor was a solid 50, and Drabek was a 2/3 rather than a potential 1. Both questioned Taylor’s power potential.
GB first I heard of this. How many MPH you see from him ?
Rocks ain’t trading Marquis… they only 2 games behind in the WC race and he is their best pitcher.
Rockies are no longer sellers.
The Mets would gladly take him right now
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=2596205
Consdering their money problems, you think the Rangers will be willing to part with Josh Hamilton in the offseason rather than go to arbitration?
Yankee Trader
July 16th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
GB7-
It was Spahn and Sain and pray for rain.–Pretty much what the Yankees have going for them now CC an AJ and pray for off days!
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People talk and complain about the yanks picking up high priced older players for title runs, but, the Yanks have done that for years. When they made the 5 year title run in ’49-’53, it was because of buying players like Eddie Lopat, Johnny Sain and Johhny Mize.
So when the Red Sox eat Lugo’s money, will that be called a stroke of fiscal genius in Beantown?
How Theo ingeniusly read the market correctly and paid a player not to play for him.
Yet when we take on salary or get a Pavano/Karsay type we’re the evil Empire and fat cats.
Riccardi is probably gone after this season anyway.
The Giants need some bats, since they are vying for the WC, with a good chance to make it to the WS with their pitching. What would you give the Giants for Sanchez? Damon? Swisher?
Rockies still in the hunt. Does anyone really want Marquis?
“Consdering their money problems, you think the Rangers will be willing to part with Josh Hamilton in the offseason rather than go to arbitration?”
They ain’t trading him. He’s Superman over there.
Wasbburn could be our #3, for less than Halladay. He’s not as good as Halladay, but I believe his record is better against the Sox, Rays and Angels. And all you give up is 2nd-tier minor leaguers.
Marquis is tied for the league lead in wins (with Beckett and Wakefield). He won’t come cheap at all (if COL even wants to trade him, which I doubt considering they are in the WC race/
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 16th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
GB first I heard of this. How many MPH you see from him ?
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Last year they clocked Pena in the 91-93 MPH range throwing short to first. Even at that, it would be plenty good.
Betsy: Rios isnt a terrible player but he isnt playing to the capability that the Jays have expected out of him. Hes been struggling most of this year but has slowly been doing better. Id say his biggest strength is his decent arm out there in Rf and he does have some speed. He is definitly someone I would want over Wells, who has just been dreadful the past 2 years or so.
Be quiet Brandon, I don’t want anyone to rain on my “Hamilton in pinstripes” dream…
Canadian dollar = $0.89 US.
bannister barely throws 90 MPH, he will get lit up in the AL east…….
GB last time TP Jr threw from a mound he topped out at 91 mph, I doubt pitching is in his future, he better find Jaramillo.
How does JP still have a job after the BJ Ryan and Wells deals anyway?
I was complaining to my father about the Yankees having only 2 reliable starters (whining actually, after the Anaheim sweep) and my father mentioned Spahn and Sain and pray for rain.
CC and AJ – then after that’s it’s doomsday?
Boston unloads Lugo and they’ll have 4 shortstops on the payroll in Lugo, Renteria, Green and Lowrie.
“Be quiet Brandon, I don’t want anyone to rain on my “Hamilton in pinstripes” dream…”
You could buy the Rangers MLB package.
20 hours and 50 minutes until Yankee baseball. Can’t come quickly enough.
I also have the hiccups
And on that note… Good night Yankee people!
“How does JP still have a job after the BJ Ryan and Wells deals anyway?”
B/c he drafts good.
Stan, If Cash doesn’t make a move for a starter, I’d be SHOCKED. This is a very good team. There is no way in heck that he takes his chances with 3 HUGE question marks.
Brandon, I have the MLB.TV package, complete with player watch, which I of course have Hamilton on… too bad he has been hurt a lot this season!
It behooves the Yankees to get an early lead tomorrow for AJ before the rains come…
Of course, we’re facing some rookie named French, so chances are, we don’t muster much off him and need to get to their pen…
Christina, thanks. Maybe Rios could use a change of scenery In any case, I’m going under the presumption that we are just talking a Halladay trade, no Halladay/Rios or Halladay/Wells. I just haven’t heard anything to make me think the Jays are leaning any other way.
Josh Hamilton at Yankee Stadium
Renteria isn’t on Boston’s payroll anymore.
Al, it does have a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?
Betsy
July 16th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
I was complaining to my father about the Yankees having only 2 reliable starters (whining actually, after the Anaheim sweep) and my father mentioned Spahn and Sain and pray for rain.
CC and AJ – then after that’s it’s doomsday?
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That saying came up in the ’48 pennant run for the Boston Braves. They had a 4 man rotation and they didn’t pitch much more than others. They had a lot of help from the other two guys and a loaded bullpen that made about 30 starts. Spahn really didn’t have that great a year. johnny Sain did, though winning almost 25 games with a couple of saves.
Brandon you are correct. If only they could keep their young guys healthy. Its amazing how many of their young, good starters have been abused and been placed on the DL over the past few years. I know guys get injured, but come on.
Betsy – I’m sure he’ll try his hardest. Doesn’t mean he will get someone though— this is one of the weakest markets for starters in a while. There may not be anyone for him to get that is available at a fair price, or available at all.
Remember, we’re looking for someone who can perform BETTER than Andy/Joba (in the AL East), not just a warm body. That complicates things for Cash. We don’t need a #5 type, we don’t have anything after the top 2….
Wow, so I just looked at Joba’s innings pitched in the minors and compared it with some of the other top pitchers of today and what they pitched…it’s quite astonishing.
Doing a write up now.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....3769.story
Nice article on McCallister……..
There are like 12 teams who need starters that are in a playoff race, yet after Halladay, there is virtually nothing available. Brad Penny is probably the 2nd best starter that is on the trade block.
I don’t trust anyone from the NL to come to AL East and pitch well, a la Doug Davis or Bronson Arroyo.
Hamilton would hit 50 homers easy if he played a full season at YS. Lefty power hitter and we all saw the assault he pulled on the old stadium.
GB, thanks for the info. I just love baseball history, so nuggets like that are like manna from heaven for me, lol
We can always try and get Javy back!
Z Man, it’s true…….and I really am not sure that I trust Washburn or Bannister. I certainly wouldn’t give up good prospects for either of them……..(by good, I mean like an Austin Jackson or Zach McAllister). Let Cash get creative if he has to, but he has to make a move or two for sure.
Betsy
July 16th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
GB, thanks for the info. I just love baseball history, so nuggets like that are like manna from heaven for me, lol
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any time, Betsy. I’m full of it.
Stop laughing. I meant information.
Rebecca- yeah, it is scary how we rushed all 3 of them up. Relievers I can understand, but starters not so much.
If Colorado suddenly dropped out of the running and put players on the market, one pitcher I’d like to see in pinstripes is Aaron Cook.
These are pretty funny, the zingers are near the bottom of the page.
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....-day-2009/
“We can always try and get Javy back!”
Wouldn’t mind at all… he is a very good middle rotation guy. Eats innings, strikes guys out, playoff experience.
Okay, the subject/verb agreement of this one cracked me up.
We Have Mets the Enemy and They Is Us — Richard F. Hartzell, New York, N.Y.
The pickings are really slim for potential trade targets that are starting pitchers. Really slim.
Cashman has to hope that Andy and Joba rebound in a big way. If they continue their current performance it’s a huge problem.
The cost for Bedard or Washburn won’t be worth the prospects.
It stinks that we had a chance at Washburn for pennies on the dollar last year and everyone on the blog was up in arms over how done he was. Heh. Take a look at his stats.
We still would have had CC and AJ if we traded for him. Andy would have been the odd man out and we’d have a solid top 3 with him in it. Always liked the guy. Strikes me as a gamer.
If Texas wasn’t still in it you could probably get Millwood from them for salary relief. I’m sure they’d give us Padilla but who wants him.
With Hudson close to returning maybe Atlanta trades Vazquez but they’ll ask for the moon and who wants to go there again? I wonder if Javy even unpacks his luggage anymore.
Basically, you’re looking at Halladay and then a massive drop off to guys like Bannister and further down to a guy like Snell.
That’s IF Bannister is on the block.
I can’t imagine he has anything left but Mulder is attempting a comeback. Maybe he has something left. Hope we scout his workout.
If Pavano wasn’t Pavano he’d be a potential trade target too.
I Came to Citi Field and All I Got Was This Lousy Team — Illiana J. Murray, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Walter, his playoff experience is not good experience… I still have nightmares about that game…
G Love, no way would I have given up Austin Jackson for Washburn and that’s what the M’s were demanding. That on top of a salary dump? Cash was right to walk away.
G. Love,
I only trade for Doc.
I’d put Hughes, Aceves, and Mitre in the rotation before any of those you mentioned.
Pokey (and anyone else interested):
Just finished http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....jobas.html
Amazing–Halladay, Haren, Santana all had tons of innins in the minors…Verlander didn’t, but he had an equivalent pitching three years in college. At any rate, even so he still had more time in the minors than Joba.
Agree, G. Love.
That’s why I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cash grab a low-risk guy like a Snell or even Mulder/El Duque or someone.
Problem is that there are so many teams in the race and the ones that ARE sellers don’t have anything we want (or have guys who are untouchable like Haren with Arizona).
M,
Wasn’t the story that the M’s wanted Gardner or Melky for Washburn and us taking on the money in the contract?
I don’t remember Ajax being in that discussion but I could be wrong.
If we didn’t have such an awful history with him, Vasquez would be the perfect acquisition.
Whoever ased about Austin Jackson not being in the lineup for Scranton tonight according to Chad Jennings he had travel issues coming from POrtland.
Also very interesting to read his game write up specifially his comments about Frisco.
Cisco !
The Seattle writers speculated it was Jackson they wanted. But they didn’t cite any sources, they just guessed.
The NY Writers speculated it was Gardner/Melky, but it was backed up with some “anonymous source”.
And there were questions if Washburn would even be willing to waive his NTC to come here, and might have asked for compensation.
Well, the price for Washburn isin’t going to be any cheaper this year considering his ERA is almost 2 runs lower than it was at this time last year. He also is an expiring contract.
BREAKING NEWS: Via Mark Ashmore…..Mike Dunn promoted to Scranton…
that felt good
Atlanta is going to want too much for Vasquez.
I agree that stretching out Aceves and Hughes is a good idea if Cashman can find some bullpen arms.
The problem is that Bruney is not doing well in his role, so their loss creates a big hole.
What you better hope is that Marte shows something and can fill a role in the pen soon. That should help free up Hughes or Ace.
I also think that if Joba doesn’t respond well this turn, the push will be to demote him to the minors or the pen and that would also open a spot.
My only problems with Joba in the pen is if he’s pitching lousy, he’s pitching lousy. I’d rather see him in the minors and get humbled a bit and earn his way back up like Melky did.
I’m still a fan of signing Paul Byrd but at this point he’ll need too much time to get ready to throw his usual 6IP a game.
It’s a bad year to have rotation problems. It’s also amazing this team is 3 games out and in control of the wild card.
Rebecca,
Good read.
We really need a 48 Hours investigation to find out where Joba ’08 has disappeared to.
1/3 physical, 1/3 mental, 1/3 shoulder related is my guess.
You guys are also assuming that Washburn even wants to come to the AL East and pitch in this stadium… he is a free agent at the end of the year. Does he want to take the risk that he gets lit up here? He has a NTC, he controls where he goes.
He wasn’t sure if he wanted to waive it last year to come here, this year he might be even more reluctant.
G Love, I will post the link……..Here you go:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....rn_in.html
The Yankees would like to put disappointing lefty Kei Igawa in the deal, but Seattle’s not sold on him yet. The Mariners are looking for some outfield help, and the Yankees might talk about players such as Melky Cabrera, Brett Gardner or Justin Christian in the right deal. Seattle asked about Austin Jackson but was told no. Washburn does have a no-trade
Dunn being promoted… hopefully they trade Marte at the end of his rehab assignment.
Marte for Ryan Church anyone?
Rebecca,
That is some excellent analysis. Pete should link that one on the main page.
“Seattle asked about Austin Jackson but was told no”
That doesn’t sound like they demanded Austin Jackson… they simply asked “about” him. All teams do that.
“Marte for Ryan Church anyone?”
ryan church is of no use to the yankees…
“http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com/2009/07/deceptively-simple-cause-for-jobas.html”
Good article and points raised, thanks.
Aceves needs to stay in the pen……..Marte can’t replace him as he can’t go more than 1 inning at a time (maybe 2, but he’s certainly not as versatile as Aceves). It’s too late to stretch Phil out – by the time he’s done, it would be middle of August. Also, you can’t fool with his arm. If Wang comes back, then you’d have to put Phil back in the pen and that could be disastrous, physically.
No Joba to the pen – that doesn’t solve his problems. If he’s bad enough, then he has to go to the minors.
I would say Joba’s problems are
50% shoulder related
50% Eliand/Mechanical change related
Semantics, Eric………the fact was, this was going to be a salary dump for the Ms and they got greedy (lucky for them, it turns out). I remember the talk at the time and word was that the Ms did insist on Jackson……..
People are assuming that Cashman is as down on Joba/Andy as the fans are.
Why in the world would we want Ryan Church?
Seattle has a new GM, not the same one as last year. They revamped their FO.
Might be easier to deal this year. However, that is assuming that Seattle is in sell-mode, and that Washburn waives his No-Trade to pitch in NYS, which is no lock by any stretch.
Thanks m.
It’s amazing how something that seems so complicated may in fact really be very, very simple.
When you think about it, everything–from the injury to perhaps the psychological issues–can be attributed to or connected to a lack of innings pitched.
how could the yankees continue to let joba pitch if his shoulder was still injured….i dont see anyway its possible….joba has mechanical/stamina problems that need to be corrected…i see the velocity at times and at times i dont…last start against the angels he threw a 97 mph fb to the outside corner to k figgins…he reached 95 multiple multiple times…joba has the talent
Pokey and E-gawa:
Thanks.
Really appreciate it.
If this is really at heart here, then the question becomes–how do you solve it? Too late this season to do much, but what do you do next season?
That’s assuming you don’t trade him, of course.
“Dunn being promoted… hopefully they trade Marte at the end of his rehab assignment.
Marte for Ryan Church anyone?”
Nah we need the BP help more. I was for this earlier in the season but really EL Nino is learning the OF and Hinske is an upgrade in RF.
If we’re going to sign a pitcher now to recruit another pitcher later, shouldn’t the now pitcher be Freddy Garcia?
Great post, Rebecca.
The Yankees are as responsible for Joba’s struggles as anyone.
RalphieD (OPPC) DO NOT LOOK AT YES RADAR GUN..IT IS WRONG
July 16th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
how could the yankees continue to let joba pitch if his shoulder was still injured….i dont see anyway its possible….joba has mechanical/stamina problems that need to be corrected…i see the velocity at times and at times i dont…last start against the angels he threw a 97 mph fb to the outside corner to k figgins…he reached 95 multiple multiple times…joba has the talent
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I was looking at MLB gameday I agree velocity wasn’t the problem for Joba against the angels. He was hitting 94, 95, 96. I think is lowest fastball was 92. He wasn’t throwing his fastball 88-91 like Gammons and other people are complaining about. He struck Figgins on a 97 mph pitch in the first inning. So Joba was right his stuff was good. He got burned throwing that curveball to Morales. He was pitching well attacking the zone up to that point. That pitch to Morales ruined the game for him.
I think you struggle through the rest of the season as much as possible, but next season you don’t guarantee him a spot in the rotation out of ST. Find a way to demote him for at least half the season.
Zach: Thanks man.
Pokey: A lot’s going to depend on what the Yankees need next season, too.
Joba, perhaps still feeling effects from an injury, on top of the Yankees not handling his stretching out process properly and altering his mechanics?
Impossible!
Joba is immature, uncoachable, and has bad work ethic!
that’s what the astute peanut gallary GMs told us!!!
Man. The Padres have a 22 year old first baseman outfielder, Kyle Blanks, who’s 6’7″ and 285 pounds and fast.
Rebecca- yeah, that is assuming they stop deluding themselves into thinking he is ready to be a ML starter and go and get an arm or 2 to shore up the back of the rotation for a season or 2.
Beejay…I was seated behind the plate Friday night, trust me that was no 97 mph fastball that he whiffed Figgins on….According to the Stadium jugs, he never got above 95….He’s not in the best shape, and he tires quickly if the inning gets to 25 pitches……His fastball really had no real movement and seemed flat…..Read Rebecca’s piece on her site……His legs get tired, and then his pitches stay up….
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 16th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Pokey (and anyone else interested):
Just finished http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....jobas.html
Amazing–Halladay, Haren, Santana all had tons of innins in the minors…Verlander didn’t, but he had an equivalent pitching three years in college. At any rate, even so he still had more time in the minors than Joba.
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Yanks really did rush Joba. They cant be shocked that he is struggling hopefully he fights out of it and gets back on track and has a good second half. Look at Verlander last year he was 11-17 with a 4.84 era and he bounced back this year and is pitching great.
Joba’s velocity isin’t that much of a concern as it once was. He is no longer getting lit up in the 1st innings.
His problem is location. These hitters have no problem smacking him all over the yard, even if he is throwing mid 90s. These last few starts, he has had good velocity but the results have been terrible.
ITC 99
He hasn’t had good velocity his last couple of starts. He was 89-91 on the stadium gun at the Angels game.
His inability to spot his fastball is killing him…….Hughes spots his fastball in all 4 quadrants…Until Chamberlain can locate # 1, he’s going to continue to struggle…..
“He hasn’t had good velocity his last couple of starts. He was 89-91 on the stadium gun at the Angels game.”
that gun has to be wrong then…gameday is the most accurate reading around
If its so clear that there aren’t many good starters available, WHY is Hughes being used in the bullpen? Are the Yankees so sure that Wang is going to come back and be effective that they don’t want Hughes to start and then have to go back to the pen when Wang is ready?
I don’t see any reason why the Yankees should be confident in Wang or why it makes sense to use Hughes out of the bullpen and have some scrub named Mitre start. It doesn’t help the Yankees now and it doesn’t help Hughes’ development.
“If its so clear that there aren’t many good starters available, WHY is Hughes being used in the bullpen? Are the Yankees so sure that Wang is going to come back and be effective that they don’t want Hughes to start and then have to go back to the pen when Wang is ready?”
Yankees dug themselves into a corner.
Panicked w/ Wang >>> Hughes in bullpen, since a proven, healthy Wang >>> unproven Hughes, and because at the time, the bullpen could use the help.
Now, probably too late in the season to stretch Hughes out without really wrecking the bullpen and creating another hole in the rotation.
I wish some of the good from Roger Clemens rubbed off on Joba… like Clemens’ tireless work ethic and desire to be in shape. He spends hours in the gym and is a workout freak.
I guess only Clemens’ arrogance rubbed off on Joba, but Clemens has 300 wins, he is allowed to be arrogant.
Hughes was basically doing the same thing as Joba was as a starter. Only 2 of his 7 starts were 6 innings and more. The bullpen was horrible that Cashman used his backup starters Hughes and Aceves and put them in the pen and Kennedy had to have surgeory. So now the yanks have no starting depth like this did in the beginning of the season.
Joba’s velocity IS down…and significantly. And people need to stop denying it. Joba’s velocity from 2007-09, courtesy of fangraphs.
2007: 97.0
2008: 95.0
2009: 92.4
So, there you have it. Joba’s velocity has dropped an average of nearly five miles an hour since 07 and nearly three miles an hour since last season. Not good.
Those numbers don’t take into account the fact that coming out of the pen for ’07 and part of ’08 would bump his mph numbers up…
Yanks were shortsighted.
They took what is probably their 3rd best pitcher now and put him in the pen. We were one injury away from Mitre, and less than 1 month into the experiment, the worst case scenario has occurred.
Now not only is Phil not getting his innings and working on secondary pitches, his replacement in the rotation is going to be someone who isin’t any good.
I don’t think the gun on YES is wrong. I think it’s just positioned to catch the speed when it hits the glove. I say this because I noticed that it jumped up one game on a couple hits. Also if the gun on Yes and the gun at the stadium are 2 different guns and reading the same, how is gameday more reliable?
They don’t always show the speed on hits but next time they do, look at it.
Shred
July 17th, 2009 at 12:27 am
Joba’s velocity IS down…and significantly. And people need to stop denying it. Joba’s velocity from 2007-09, courtesy of fangraphs.
2007: 97.0
2008: 95.0
2009: 92.4
So, there you have it. Joba’s velocity has dropped an average of nearly five miles an hour since 07 and nearly three miles an hour since last season. Not good
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Yes his velocity was down in many of his starts. But his last start against the angels his velocity was fine. His fastball was hitting in the mid 90′s according to gameday. I dont think he is going to average 97 like he did in 2007 because he was only pitching 1 inning out of the bullpen.
Rebecca by Sunday your theory will be all over the place
mark my words
the place btw is the media outlets
Cashman always was going to have work to do at the deadline, depending on how he configured the roster.
Either he had to get 1-2 arms for the pen, or he had to get an arm or even 2 for the rotation.
He put Hughes in the pen, so now we don’t need pen help. So now he has to go out and get a starter.
Uncle:
Well, I do crave attention. And anything that helps me get a job, you know…
I remember i went to see the yankees against the orioles and that was Joba debut at the old yankee stadium and joba fastball was clock at 99 mph and his slider hitting 93 and tha when i new we had something special.
Radar guns are like weather reports… each station says a different thing, none of them are right.
McAllister to the DL, per Mike Ashmore, who doesn’t know why, and who’s cranky that no one at the park told him about it.
http://thunderbaseball.wordpre.....to-the-dl/
Clare:
Well, Mitre getting called up to the big club would clear a roster spot…
Also it is 2 weeks till the trade deadline….
Rebecca,
I’m not seeing the connection you’re making.
If the Yankees keep Chamberlain and put him back into the pen, he’s probably our next closer after Mo retires.
I don’t see why he can’t add velocity like Hughes did. His mechanics were better in the pen possibly due to the fact that he was throwing only 2 pitches and having to weave in his other 2 pitches threw him off his game and altered his throwing motion enough to diminish his velocity.
I think if the Yankees put Hughes back into the rotation, his newfound confidence will aid him with runners on base. He might not nibble as much.
Switching Joba + Hughes could be more rewarding than we suspect.
If the Yankees can hold this wild card lead and get Wang back to replace Aceves and put Aceves back in the pen, we might be OK.
But still, getting Halladay opens up so many more options with this roster it isn’t funny.
Rebecca-
Great piece on Jobber!
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday.....b_bosmlb_1
where art thou joba
Bret,
I like your thinking. Add Doc and Hughes before the trade deadline!
If the Yankees approached Joba and offered him the choice of pitching as a starter in Scranton or going back to the bullpen, what would he say?
I know he wants to be a starter, so the right thing to do for all concerned is he work on his conditioning and stamina (if that’s the issue).
But he probably would say that he wants to help the big club any way he can.
If anything, I see him getting more innings under his belt, and as he nears the bulk of his innings going back to the bullpen down the stretch.
That way everyone can be hapy!
Bret,
I like your thinking. Add Doc and Hughes before the trade deadline!
If the Yankees approached Joba and offered him the choice of pitching as a starter in Scranton or going back to the bullpen, what would he say?
I know he wants to be a starter, so the right thing to do for all concerned is he work on his conditioning and stamina (if that’s the issue).
But he probably would say that he wants to help the big club any way he can.
If anything, I see him getting more innings under his belt, and as he nears the bulk of his innings going back to the bullpen down the stretch.
That way everyone can be hapy!
Buddy: Thanks!
Clare:
“Rebecca,
I’m not seeing the connection you’re making.”
Yankees need fifth starter >>> Mitre at AAA likely to take that spot >>> empty roster spot on AA team >>> Dunn promoted.
I can’t tell you why Dunn was chosen, but it does seem to make sense!
happy!
I just read tomorrow’s Newsday piece on how there were scouts watching him throw last ( Wed. ) night…..Somewhat taken back by this….
Pat m,
Nice piece of sarcasm there. Did they not call you for confirmation.
Why do they call him “Doc” Halladay?
Does he Doctor the baseball? Was he a Doctor in high school/college?
“But still, getting Halladay opens up so many more options with this roster it isn’t funny.”
Actually I think the exact opposite, getting Halladay only closes more doors due to increased payroll, decreased roster flexibility, adding another 30+ player, and trading away young cost-controlled players.
Pat M,
Also, did you hear? Lakers yanked their $27M/3 year offer to Lamar?
I think they’ve agreed on the annual salary, but apart on years.
Everyone around the league seems to think they’ll come to terms.
Get Halladay at all costs (providing you don’t give up Hughes/Montero).
He is the missing link to put us over the top.
I want to win a championship this year. I don’t care about 2012.
“Why do they call him “Doc” Halladay?”
Pun on Doc Holiday
Rick-
The nickname comes from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Holliday
Rick,
I think there’s a famous person/character called Doc Halladay from the wild, wild west?
I want to say he’s a gasp! criminal.
Yup, here it is. I wonder if John Henry would like the connection, too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doc_Holliday
They call him Doc in reference to Doc Holliday from the gunfight at the OK corral.
And you can’t put Hughes back in the rotation right now, he isn’t stretched out.
“Why do they call him “Doc” Halladay?
Does he Doctor the baseball? Was he a Doctor in high school/college?”
LMAO. Is this serious?
Joba, Jackson, Romine for Doc
Get it done Cash. The Old Guard is on their last legs, don’t let them fade into the sunset without one more legit chance at a ring….
miggs!
Good to see you end your boycott.
Rebecca,
Okay, but my post was about McAllister to the DL, not Dunn to Scranton, hence my confusion. But you’re right, Mitre is probably the reason for Dunn’s promotion. Now they have 2 vacant spots in Trenton.
Clare: Oooh, sorry for the confusion!
Mel,
I tried but failed miserably. I was hoping no one caught on…
Good morning mel!
Joba’s mechanics are definitely all out of whack.
I just find it unusual that up to this point, no one has attributed it to the fact that he’s having to throw 4 different pitches now instead of just 2. His control was clearly better as a reliever and his throwing motion was more fluid. It’s probably much easier to repeat a throwing motion when you are throwing 2 pitches instead of 4. Having to throw 4 pitches probably screwed up Joba’s mechanics to such an extent that he has experienced inconsistency with his velocity. He can indeed still touch 97 so I don’t think he has any kind of hidden injury. The problem is his velocity comes and goes and he has no control over when, where and why. It has everything to do with his mechanics. He’s got a big body with alot of moving parts. It might be difficult for him to command 4 different pitches now and into the future as a starter. It’s possible that Joba Chamberlain is not Roger Clemens but Mariano Rivera ain’t half bad.
miggs:
It was all my fault.
Bret the Hitman
Joba was fine as a starter last year.
m. Lamar will return to Los Angeles….His rep. is trying to play hard ball with Dr. Buss…..Not the guy to play this game with….Lamar understands he has a chance to play with a team that is the NBA’s next dynasty team…..m, The Newsday piece just mentioned that he tossed 16 pitches and he was done for the night….Cashman and several scouts were there to watch him pitch….No indication that something was up with him…..
Joba can’t throw any breaking pitch for a strike
He did against Boston and recorded 12 Ks
Other than, he has not. And he has a flat fastball to begin with with decreased velocity.
Basically, he needs to be traded for Doc before he loses all his value.
Actually I think the exact opposite, getting Halladay only closes more doors due to increased payroll, decreased roster flexibility, adding another 30+ player, and trading away young cost-controlled players.
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depends on what they give up. Also, his age is not a factor for me. He’s the same age as Mussina when the Yankees first brought him over but his velocity hasn’t yet begun to diminish and when it does his pinpoint control will keep him affective into his late 30′s, even moreso than Mussina.
carl July 17th, 2009 at 1:14 am
Bret the Hitman
Joba was fine as a starter last year.
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He was fine, but he was still throwing alot of pitches and not lasting past the 6th inning. The difference is they’re laying off his pitches now. His mechanics were likely an unseen issue because they were chasing balls when he wasn’t throwing strikes.
Bret the Hitman
Thats not true. He was on a pitch count.
He was reaching his pitch count too early.
He started out on a 65 pitch count in June. Had some good starts in July. Got hurt on August 4th. Hasn’t been the same since.
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2008
Go to June 3rd his first start. Look up to August 4th, the start he got injured. That’s progress. Hes terrible this year.
Hey, 50 Cent.
It’s been a while, huh?
http://www.baseball-reference......;year=2008
Go to June 3rd his first start. Look up to August 4th, the start he got injured. That’s progress.
Not to change the subject but check out Alex Rios’ numbers in 2009 with RISP + 2 outs (42 ABS)
.333 .378 .571 .949
http://tinyurl.com/c7wr76
Go to June 3rd his first start. Look up to August 4th, the start he got injured. That’s progress. He was using more than 2 pitches.
Pat M,
Oh, total fail on my part.
I thought you were talking about scouts watching Joba.
Who are you talking about.
No Yankee prospects should be untouchable for Halladay. The prospects are either A) overrated or B) Yankees will sign free agents to block their path. Austin Jackson and Montero are just that – prospects. Halladay is a proven quantity. Even if he walks after 2010 it’s worth it if you win one WS out of it. Even if they have to take on Wells’ bloated deal, they can afford it. Damon and Matsui combine for 26 mil this year, so Wells makes less than that. and is better than either of those guys and even on the decline is at least as good as Austin Jackson will ever be.
Carl,
I see 12 starts in that time frame and only 1 where he completed 7 full innings of work. And hitters were swinging at balls out of the strike zone at a higher rate since they were seeing him as a starter for the first time. Now that they lay off everything, we can see how poor his control/command is when throwing all 4 of his pitches instead of just 2. My gut tells me he’ll be a reliever and hopefully every bit as dominant as he showed in 2007.
“Not to change the subject but check out Alex Rios’ numbers in 2009 with RISP + 2 outs (42 ABS)
.333 .378 .571 .949″
And ?
“My gut tells me he’ll be a reliever and hopefully every bit as dominant as he showed in 2007.”
If he becomes a reliever he gets dealt. What part of that don’t you understand ?
Mrs. Kekich,
If the Blue Jays paid half of Wells’ contract and took on Swisher, I’d do it. Otherwise, I want Rios in the deal.
If he becomes a reliever he gets dealt.
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Link?
The Hitman been superkicked one too many times.
Bret the Hitman
He was throwing 96-97 touching 99 100 as a starter last year. He would throw a fastball, curve, and a slider. I see your point about hitters chasing. When you throw 96-97 you can do that. I don’t see how he will be a dominate as a reliever anymore. He hasn’t been the same after Texas.
Is WFAN’s Lori Rubensen really this stupid ?
Huh….anyone ever use the “Search This Blog” function at the bottom of the page? I just searched for Arredondo and all I got was computor garbage. So I tried Jeter and got the same.
Is it just me or is it just sometimes or does the “Search” funtion not really work?
He was throwing 96-97 touching 99 100 as a starter last year. He would throw a fastball, curve, and a slider.
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His mechanics perhaps were just beginning to become highly erratic. Now that they are completely out of whack, the velocity is affected. I truly doubt his shoulder injury is physically limiting him but it could be psychologically. Maybe he’s afraid to let it fly on every pitch and conserving energy for the later innings or to eliminate the risk of permanent injury.
I don’t be mean or sarcastic, but haven’t people dubbed Joba the $100M arm because he has 4 plus pitches?
Maybe they need to keep it simple with Joba, concentrate on pitching well with 2 pitches. Then incorporate the other 2.
They need to break it down to the basics for Joba, he’s got too much going on.
Hughes is now focusing on just 2 pitches and look at him. Night and day.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! July 17th, 2009 at 1:50 am
Is WFAN’s Lori Rubensen really this stupid ?
what did she say? and yes she is stupid.
I’m AWESOME!
lol
“Brandon (I’m typing from my mom’s basement)
July 17th, 2009 at 1:55 am
I’m AWESOME!”
LOL You don’t have my juice. You only wish you could.
m, The newsday article was about McAllister….Cashman & several scouts were there to watch him pitch on Wednesday night……Now at Friday night’s game there were several scouts there watching Joba pitch…..When he was yanked , 2 scouts left within a few minutes after his departure…..
“Is WFAN’s Lori Rubensen really this stupid ?
what did she say? and yes she is stupid.”
I called in and I kinda floored her.
It was funny.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
Shes a Mets fan right?
Given that was the first Sergio Mitre call in the history of talk radio, she had a right to be floored.
Honeymoon pictures of John Henry have surfaced:
http://tinyurl.com/mouo9s
Nick in SF in Apple Valley, CA
lol
I am still waiting for the results on El Duque.
LMAO
Hey guys
tuning in late here from panama, home of the great mo.
i have to say that this post by petabe really bothers me. the yankees getting swindled? sorry but what planet are we on. there are reasons yanks are going after young kids in economic war-zones. it bothers me when writers write as if they don’t even have a clue what any of those reasons might be, or worse, when they really honstely don’t ahve a clue and don’t even care. might 16 year olds be more profitable? yes, of course. but not necessarily. i have a serious problem with a beat writer that advocates signing 16 year olds in latin america. for a blog that claims to avoid politics, that is the mother of political statements to be making.
Can someone remind me what Hughes, or Montero for that matter, have done that makes them more untouchable than Joba Chamberlain?
no.27
Not suck this year
Ooh. Suck is such a harsh word.
Joba’s regressed this season. There are doubts that he can recover his velocity or form he had when he burst on the scene.
I’m willing to have patience, as long as Joba fights through the hard times. If he needs to “learn” how to be a starter, then perhaps it’ll be easier to have patience if he’s not in the Bronx spotlight…
m, Get Joba on a treadmill & do some core work in…..
Are you trying to say he’s a fat slob ?
hmm…GB made an interesting point about Willie Harris before, how about Felipe Lopez instead? vertisle and a decent bat off the bench.
I said Lopez 3 mths. ago.
lol oh, that’s when the season began. ahhas.
What I’d give for Rebecca or Erica to meet Lori Rubenson under the Oneill banner.
Who gave Lori a job
Brandon, dont you have work tomorrow or something? what you doing up this late?
Tomorrow my off day.
awesome…
Lori on Wfan just said how do the twins get it done every year with the payroll they have lmao
M&M boys maybe? Naw that can’t be it!
I like they are doing this stuff. Whoever signed up for Thursday night may be feeling sluggish for Friday’s game.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....179800.htm
NYYanksFan July 17th, 2009 at 5:45 am
I like they are doing this stuff. Whoever signed up for Thursday night may be feeling sluggish for Friday’s game.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....179800.htm
Now this is what I like to see.
Halladay too expensive for Yankees!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....179777.htm
People forget that Cash had to go to the mat to get ownership to approve Tex. That was before the empty seats and price cuts.
“”I just find it unusual that up to this point, no one has attributed it to the fact that he’s having to throw 4 different pitches now instead of just 2. His control was clearly better as a reliever and his throwing motion was more fluid. It’s probably much easier to repeat a throwing motion when you are throwing 2 pitches instead of 4. Having to throw 4 pitches probably screwed up Joba’s mechanics to such an extent that he has experienced inconsistency with his velocity. He can indeed still touch 97 so I don’t think he has any kind of hidden injury. The problem is his velocity comes and goes and he has no control over when, where and why. It has everything to do with his mechanics. He’s got a big body with alot of moving parts. It might be difficult for him to command 4 different pitches now and into the future as a starter. It’s possible that Joba Chamberlain is not Roger Clemens but Mariano Rivera ain’t half bad.”"
That doesn’t mean teh FO should just concede Joba being a starter because they might think his arm slot/mechanics get out of wack when he trows curve/change. That means patience is needed.
Not uncommon from Latin American prospects from Cuba or Dominican Republic … this is not usual on major talent contributors Puerto Rico, Venezuela and Mexico. Nor has it happened from Nicaragua or Panama.
lol @ the idea of an organization like the Yankees being “swindled” by a 16 yr old poor teen from the third world.