Trade ‘em all for Halladay (only kidding)
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The Yankees had 10 players in minor-league All-Star games last night. Here’s how they did:
AAA — International League 6, Pacific Coast League 5
Austin Jackson: 1-3, run scored, triple
Shelley Duncan: 0-3
Zach Kroenke: 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K
AA Eastern League — Southern Division 5, Northern Division 3
Jesus Montero: 2-2
Eduardo Nunez 2-3, RBI
Reegie Corona 1-2
Jorge Vazquez 0-3
Zach McAllister 1 inning, 1 hit, 0 runs, 0 BB, O K
Josh Schmidt: 1 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 0 BB, 0 K
Mike Dunn: 1 inning, 0 hits, 0 runs, 2 BB, 0 K
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Chad Jennings
Sam Borden
Josh Thomson
I was at the AA game and I shook Jesus Montero’s hand. Best moment of my life.
Pete: the update/info is appreciated
Nunez is the man
per Jesus Montero
you don’t trade #3 overall in the minor league, prospects. They are known as untouchables.
you just don’t do it. And you definitely don’t do it for a 32 year old
Nice showing by the Baby Bombers. Too bad the AA team lost, but nice job by the IL team going all the way to the West Coast and actually WINNING. must be that Pawtucket luck.
Good works by the good guys. Zillo is on a mission. Rebecca will be inspired:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07.....f=baseball
you made a mistake on Kroenke numbers, he gave up a double. 1 H in 1 IP
Build a package around Reegie Corona and Melky Mesa.
Cash, get it done.
Jesus will save us.
Let’s do this. Trade a PTBNL for Matt Smith from the Cubs. Then give a ring to old C.J. Henry and sign him back. Then trade them and some random international players for Roy Halladay once the Phillies acquire him. Think they’ll bite again?
If the Yankees are actually contemplating trading Joba, Hughes, and/or Montero for a 32 year old starter who will ultimately require a massive contract that will likely pay him big bucks well into his decline phase, it is an overt admission that Cashman’s plan to reload around high ceiling young players (crown jewels of which are Joba, Hughes, and Montero) has failed.
I would rather lose with a team composed of players I have watched develop in the minors than win with a rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars.
Nick.
Good day for silver. UP .38 to 13.28.
Can not wait for Friday baseball.
Ipod tunes, Don Mclean.
-dennis
Richie Montero is staying. Its either Joba or Hughes going.
Feinsand had a bunch of quotes from the ASG. I got a kick out of this one:
Youkilis, on how he would determine home-field advantage in the World Series: “I’d be in favor of a ‘Rock-Paper-Scissors’ best-of-three. Winner takes all. I think fans would love that.”
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Mariano would put down scissors every time
carl,
LOL!!! It took me about 5 seconds, but I got it.
Did you hear mo last night?
He was talking about the “coder”. I was a little slow on the uptake on that one, too.
m
Lmao I didn’t know what he was talking about last night until Harold clarified it. Ya Obama knew the “Coder” lol
Yah, that was crazy. I was like, wha? Then I realized he said, “Cutter”.
Rosenthal was kind of funny, though. “Translating” for mo.
You notice that mo’s favorite word is “great”?
And he does that athlete thing, where they answer a question by first saying, “no”?
And it was the coolest thing having mo’s sons around. They’re like body guards, they look so protective. Only thing, one is the spitting image of Obama.
Having 7 players in the AA allstar game has to be good evidence of depth in the farm system! I’d love to see the Yankees get back to being a top farm system. Boston has had so much success with home grown talent that they have been leaving the Yankees behind.
“I would rather lose with a team composed of players I have watched develop in the minors than win with a rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars”
sadly, most people on this board would not agree with you.
however, at least i have my new signature. As you stated it perfectly. 100%
“I would rather lose with a team composed of players I have watched develop in the minors than win with a rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars”
The majority of the Yankees that have been on the roster this year have been home grown players lol I understand your point though
Reality says they can’t all be kept. Good teams are comprised of some free agents, some from trades and some prospects that showed their worth.
Only so many minor league prospects will rise above AAA. It’s up to evaluators to decide who is kept and who goes in a deal.
The easiest way for a GM to get fired is to get too hyped up about prospects.
Since when is 32 “old” how old was David Cone . David Wells , El Doque or Clemens when the Yankees were on a roll in the 90’s
You’d have a Dominant Ace for at least 4 years !.. i’ll take it .
Rick,
Couldn’t agree more
I wish I had known about the MLB ASGs. I found myself doing pushups in front of the TV watching WipeOut. These 4 days without Yankee Baseball are killing me…
I’m sick of talking about Roy Halladay; He’s not coming to the Yankees. They can’t and should not just buy everyone they can to win. They spent enough in the off season. The Yankees may need another piece but it does not have to be another 100mil allstar.
Bring up someone from AAA to be the 5th starter. Kick Joba in the azz and tell him pitch better. Andy is going to be OK, he just needed some rest.
Tex, Johnie, and Sui are going to hit a boat load of homers during the next home stand.
Get it done Yankees! 10wins out of the next 12, I can feel it!
We need something new to talk about Pete!
Rick- You’re completely right.
How much longer until this Roy Halladay nonsense is over? Because July 31st is way too far away.
Christina,
Until something else happens in Yankee land, like A-Rod walking in central park with no shirt on and not using suntan lotion, Halladay is going to be at the forefront of every conversation. It grew tired to me about a week ago
This is asinine. Johan Santana was 8x the pitcher Roy Halladay has been and all we needed to give up was melky hughes and kennedy and we didnt want to do that. We are definitely not giving up anything more than joba and a couple low level prospects if they traded for an older not quite as good version of Johan.
I don’t think the Yankees are willing to trade Phil……and probably not Joba. I don’t even think the Jays would want Joba – didn’t SJ mention that JP had always preferred Phil? Even if that wasn’t the case, he’s seen Joba this year, he’s had his scouts following him – he can’t like what he’s seen.
Richie, I’m sorry – that’s ridiculous.
I thought Mo had said “quarter”, lol
Betsy,
Even if JP had always preffered Phil, he still hasn’t shown anything outside of the bullpen that says he can be the great starting pitcher he’s supposed to be.
Has he been tremendous out of the bullpen? No doubt about it, he’s been unquestionably phenomenal. But, as a starter this year, outside of his start in Texas and his first start in Detroit, he was terrible.
Isn’t it rather ironic that every Yankee starter has had their best games on the road this season? The New Stadium really is wreaking havoc on their results.
Sorry Patrick -rest is not going to help Andy. He’s old and mediocre – nothing can cure that. Just telling Joba to pitch better is going to help? The Yankees may not get Doc, but they are going to get SP help and if they don’t, I do not believe they will make the playoffs.
Ramey, he’s 23 years old. Sorry, I don’t get fans’ obessession with expecting great performance out of Phil or any young pitcher. GM’s look ahead, they project what they think a youngster is going to do. There’s no point in rehashing Phil’s history as everyone knows it. I thoroughly disagree with you about Phil’s performance this year…..terrible? That’s simply not othe case.
Betsy, in the rotation he was terrible. In the bullpen he’s unbelievable. But, in the rotation, he was doing what Joba is doing now; not challenging hitters, laboring on the mound and throwing nearly 100 pitches after 5 innings. How is that not poor?
Timmy Kirk. is co-hosting with Greenberg on Mike & Mike show.
of all the national baseball media, he is my fave. Such a nice person
Since when is 32 “old” how old was David Cone . David Wells , El Doque or Clemens when the Yankees were on a roll in the 90’s
You’d have a Dominant Ace for at least 4 years !.. i’ll take it .
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You’ll have Halladay thru 2010 when his contract expires. There’s no guarantee that the Yankees will extend his contract. They might want to wait until the end of this season to see if the trade actually takes them to the WS, and to see if their net revenue will allow them to resign him for CC-like numbers.
i just read an article that has the dodgers & rs in the ws with boston winning.
i know it is only a prediction but….
if we can’t counter becket & lester we are done.it is as simple as that.
cc & burnett when the time comes have to go toe to toe with them & beat them.
that hasn’t happened yet.
i have mixed feelings about getting halladay.
one minute i wan’t him the next i don’t.
there is no crystal ball here to tell us what will happen going forward.
trading montero,joba,etc.will it hurt or help???
nobody knows but if we don’t fix our pitching staff somehow we will be a great team but will not get by the top 1-4 teams.
one scenario that is going to hurt is the dodgers facing the rs in the ws.
either torre wins or the rs.
ouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch.
“I would rather lose with a team composed of players I have watched develop in the minors than win with a rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars”
Oh really, then I guess you would rather give back the 4 championships and 6 pennants during the Torre years because outside of Jeter, Mo, Pettitte, Posada, and Bernie, the roster was comprised of championship caliber “againg” players like Wade Boggs, Darryl Strawberry, Cecil Fielder, Jimmy Key, David Cone, Scott Brosius, Tino Martinez, Paul O’Neill, Roger Clemens, David Wells, Tim Raines, etc.
I’m sure you were the first one standing in protest when Cashman traded home grown talent Ricky Ledee for David Justice during the summer of 2000 … right?
If you want to get all warm and fuzzy about knowing the Yankees can win a championship with a team made of mostly of “home grown” talent then predispose yourself to a long hard wait because it NEVER happens with this team.
This isnt the 1950’s anymore … there is no Reserve Clause that still exists. The Yankees take full advantage and expoit the resources they have amassed over the years … including the ability out spend other teams for players during free agency. It hasnt always worked in terms of championships, but it hasnt always failed either. The Yankees make money hand-over-fist and put it back into making the team competitive year after year. As a fan, what more can you ask for from your team?
If you want to see the Yankees organization use their major league team as some sort of developmental entity that is fine, but let’s see how patient you are when you continue to watch the Angels beat our brains in year after year and watch teams in our own division like Boston and Tampa continue to finish ahead of us in the standings and have their own victory parades when they keep winning championships.
How long will it take until you are crying out for the Yankees to open up their pocket books once again and become competitive?
Ramey, let’s just agree to disagree because we are far apart on this……
We all have to ask this question.. Are we a better team with or without Halladay .
Betsy,
fair enough. i do appreciate the fact you are being so cordial in your disagreement!
Sorry Patrick -rest is not going to help Andy. He’s old and mediocre – nothing can cure that. Just telling Joba to pitch better is going to help? The Yankees may not get Doc, but they are going to get SP help and if they don’t, I do not believe they will make the playoffs.
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Pettitte wouldn’t tell the team anyway if he needed rest because he can earn upwards of another 3M, I believe, if he meets incentives.
Agree with you that the Yankees will get another pitcher, and that Halladay will not be signed by us, especially if tied to taking on all of Wells’ contract. The Yankees and Red Sox[who don't need pitching] will likely “steer” him to the NL.
Anybody else think that Sergio Mitre will be this year’s Aaron Small, go 10 – 0 and lead us to the playoffs?
some of you miss the point, on what Richie said
he is not referring to the 1998 team. Stop playing dumb.
I expect he is referring to the teams composed from 2002-2006. As he said in his statement, “rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars”
perhaps he doesn’t wish to NYY forego their current plan/direction, reverse course and sign Halladay. Yes crazy talk, i know. And i agree with Richie 100%
“Anybody else think that Sergio Mitre will be this year’s Aaron Small, go 10 – 0 and lead us to the playoffs”
Mitre = my man Shawn Chacon
i would not wan’t to go against becket,halladay,lester.
it will be bye bye.
i give joba & 2 or 3 others.
i just don’t know if i give up joba,montero,ajax & more.
that is a big haul.
if it is for a young pitcher like felix,groenke,gallardo,etc… in a second.
Ramey, why not, right? We all are entitled to our opinions. I also realize this place is for debate, but I’m leaving for work in a few minutes so I didn’t have time to get into to it. Let me just say this – at times, Phil pitched well and at times he didn’t pitch well as a starter (as is the wont with young pitchers). However, in his last few starts prior to being put in the pen, he was pitching much more aggressively (take a look at his K/BB ratio- outstanding) and his stuff was very good The reason why he’s in the pen now is because he was pitching so well the Yankees didn’t want to send him down to AAA.
We can all speculate until the cows come home, but it only matters how JP feels about players. We may think a certain deal is fair, but maybe JP doesn’t love those players…..then, the deal doesn’t happen.
Richie
July 16th, 2009 at 2:55 am
If the Yankees are actually contemplating trading Joba, Hughes, and/or Montero for a 32 year old starter who will ultimately require a massive contract that will likely pay him big bucks well into his decline phase, it is an overt admission that Cashman’s plan to reload around high ceiling young players (crown jewels of which are Joba, Hughes, and Montero) has failed.
I would rather lose with a team composed of players I have watched develop in the minors than win with a rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars.
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Here, here.
However, the people in favor of this have so manipulated the discourse, that those against it now accept their phony terms.
It’s not: win with Halladay or lose with what we have; we are a strong team requiring a little tweak here and there.
And to the poster that said “we only have to give up Joba.”
Only??? Just a joke.
“Mitre = my man Shawn Chacon”
I loved Shawn Chacon. I really wished he’d get another chance in MLB
Obtaining Halladay does not mean the Yankees would be ripping up their plan for the future – that’s a little dramatic, don’t you think? I would only think that if they traded all or most of their top prospects for him.
Yankee Trader, the Yanks/Sox can’t steer the Jays to do anything. Frankly, Clay Bucholz is auditioning in front of the Jays on Friday – think the Sox wouldn’t like Doc? If he goes there, oh brother…….I definitely think the Sox are in play
Mike RI July 16th, 2009 at 8:05 am
You’d have a Dominant Ace for at least 4 years !.. i’ll take it .
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What’s this crap about the Yanks needed an “ace”?
Didn’t they just get one over the offseason for 6 yrs /$161M?
I know many in the fanbase has now rescinded that label since Sabathia had the gall to lose to the Angels on Sunday, but those same Yankee fans would do the same thing to Halladay the first time he had the gall to lose to the Rays, Red Sox, Mets, or Angels in a Yankee uniform.
The Yanks don’t need an “ace.” They need someone reliable to take the ball every five days.
“I loved Shawn Chacon. I really wished he’d get another chance in MLB”
you know, you don’t hear the term savior mentioned in baseball (mostly in football). That said, if he wasn’t a “savior” on that 2004 team, then i don’t know what one is
: )
anybody know what big league club had the most players in the all star game last night?
“Obtaining Halladay does not mean the Yankees would be ripping up their plan for the future – that’s a little dramatic, don’t you think”
if the yankees trade Joba/Hughes, Montero, Ajax and/or McCallister for a 32 year old pitcher who they will have to pay at least 15 million per year, they will be doing just that
Betsy July 16th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Sorry Patrick -rest is not going to help Andy. He’s old and mediocre – nothing can cure that. Just telling Joba to pitch better is going to help? The Yankees may not get Doc, but they are going to get SP help and if they don’t, I do not believe they will make the playoffs.
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Sigh. So much gloom and doom.
For the record, Mike Mussina was old and mediocre after the 2007 season and he turned things around last season in a huge way.
I’m not going to guarantee you he’ll pitch extremely well in the second half, but I wouldn’t be so quick to write him off either.
He’s won 220+ games at this level for a reason.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p.....2009/18820
These are Halladay’s situational stats from this year and before. He pitches to contact, as there are many other sub 3.00 ERA pitchers out there whose BA against are much better. He’s also being supported by over six runs/game.
If I was Riccardi, I’m asking for Hughes plus 3 top prospects to fill needs.
The Sox are not in play for Halladay. Theo hugs his prospects even harder than Cashman does.
The Red Sox don’t even need Halladay. They have a surplus of starters as it is.
The Yanks have (almost) all the money in the world and the Jays are in financial turmoil. I say eat the Wells or Rios contract while acquiring Halladay for second tier prospects.
Getting out from under all those financial obligations is more valuable to Toronto than any package of prospects would ever be. Damon/Matsui/Pettite will cost about as much this year as Halladay/Wells/Austin Jackson would next year.
Halladay has indicated he wouldn’t insist on an extension, but that’s easy to do at this stage. If they have to extend him more than one or two years I’d walk away.
I have peace of mind through all the noise because in quiet moments, I cannot see Cash giving up any of Hughes, Joba or Montero.
I don’t believe Cashman would be that rash, desperate or stupid, with his team sitting 3 games off the division lead, and having other directions to turn in to for a patch job here and there.
“I don’t believe Cashman would be that rash, desperate or stupid, with his team sitting 3 games off the division lead, and having other directions to turn in to for a patch job here and there.”
Amen. Cashman doesn’t make this types of moves, it’s not his style at all.
Now that we’ve cleared the All-Star break, it’s time for Andy to REALLY stink.
Betsey-
You’re probably off to work by now, and I don’t want to argue with a celebrity, but the Yankees and Red Sox can actually “steer” Halladay out of their division by not offering Toronto four of their best players. It happened with Santana. It happened with Randy Johnson when Cashman said no just before midnight and Randy was traded to Houston and out of the AL. The GM knows who are serious players for obtaining Halladay.
The Yanks don’t need an “ace.” They need someone reliable to take the ball every five days.
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so the other 5 days a week we don’t need a reliable pitcher?
“I would rather lose with a team composed of players I have watched develop in the minors than win with a rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars.”
Right on, Richie.
“Now that we’ve cleared the All-Star break, it’s time for Andy to REALLY stink.”
Wait, so the guy who has a career .687% winning and a life-time 3.67 era in the 2nd half of the season FOR HIS CAREER, is going to stink now? Just because he pitched the last 3 months of the season last year hurt? Makes perfect sense to me.
I’d rather win than lose. Don’t care who it’s done with.
bru,
Um, yeah. That’s um, funny, I guess.
I really don’t think Youse was “terrible” while in the rotation this past year. A mixed bag? Yeah.
Wang? Now that was terrible.
I thought Kennedy was going to be great? It shows you never know how someone is going to develop. Looks great one day and very bad later. It would have been great to trade on the upside. Potential may never be relized.
“Wait, so the guy who has a career .687% winning and a life-time 3.67 era in the 2nd half of the season FOR HIS CAREER, is going to stink now? Just because he pitched the last 3 months of the season last year hurt? Makes perfect sense to me”
good call Ramey
July 16th, 2009 at 8:55 am
“I would rather WIN with a team composed of players I have watched develop in the minors than win with a rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars.”
Fixed
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But surely, quote of the day, Richie – maybe the year.
Hughs was really bad in the one start against Baltimore. But he did a good job in his other six starts.
Hughes wouldn’t have been moved to the pen at all if Girardi and Cashman wasn’t pleased with the way he was throwing the ball when Wang returned.
So they stuck him in the pen because they knew he could help the big club win instead of helping Scranton win.
the reality is when we face teams in thge playoffs our 3 pitchers are going to have to be better than the other teams.
sabathia,burnett,????
are going to have to be better than becket,lester,??????
if that does not happen we are done.
i would feel much better if we had
cc
halladay
burnett.
i would also feel better if hughes was in the rotation for debth only if nothing else.
we might have gotten lucky.
we might be only looking for a pen arm now instead of an expensive starter.
we should of gotten another pitcher in addition to cc & burnett & pushed wang,pettitte,joba ito the 4th,5th,6th spot in the rotation.
I’d expect about the same of Pettitte in the 2nd half as we’ve seen so far. Somewhat uneven, good some days, not so good on others. Probably about the same ERA he’s posted to this point with another 6-7 wins. Way I look at is that if you told me I’d get 14-15 wins and 4.4 – 4.5 ERA from Pettitte back in March, I’m signing up for it.
The Yanks have (almost) all the money in the world and the Jays are in financial turmoil. I say eat the Wells or Rios contract while acquiring Halladay for second tier prospects.
Getting out from under all those financial obligations is more valuable to Toronto than any package of prospects would ever be. Damon/Matsui/Pettite will cost about as much this year as Halladay/Wells/Austin Jackson would next year.
Halladay has indicated he wouldn’t insist on an extension, but that’s easy to do at this stage. If they have to extend him more than one or two years I’d walk away.
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The Yankees should not extend Halladays contract until they see if they go to the WS this year, especially if we lose Hughes or Joba. Taking on all of Wells contract IMHO will be a deal breaker for every team. Rios maybe!
Personally if you’re willing to eat contracts propose to the Diamonbacks a trade where you take on the rest of Eric Byrnes contract[what's left of his 11M/year thru 2010] if they trade you Haren.
The ever coy Brian Cashman is skating around the Halladay talk but in all likelihood he’s got the green light to go ahead on the deal from Hal Steinbrenner. It’s up to Cashman and his top advisors who goes in the deal.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....179486.htm
bru,
What makes you so sure that the Yanks are going to play Boston in the postseason?
If they do meet, it won’t be until the ALCS – which means both teams have to win Round One before they worry about Round Two.
“Hughs was really bad in the one start against Baltimore. But he did a good job in his other six starts.”
His first start of the season against Detroit was good and his start against Texas was good. The other 4 starts he had (baltimore not included) were Joba-esque
4 innings, 7 hits, 4 runs and 94 pitches vs Boston
5 innings, 6 hits, 3 runs and 93 pitches vs Minnesota
5 innings, 6 hits, 3 runs and 89 pitches vs Baltimore (this was his best short outing)
5 innings, 5 hits, 4 runs and 95 pitches vs Cleveland
I don’t see how he’s considered doing a good job in those starts, but when Joba does the usual 5 innings and 3 or 4 runs, he’s considered doing a poor job? I’m not nitpicking, or trying to stir up an argument, I’m honestly just wondering, why is there a difference between the two?
Giuseppe Franco
July 16th, 2009 at 8:56 am
bru,
Um, yeah. That’s um, funny, I guess
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sorry i just had to.
i think sabathia & burnett are going to have to outpitch whoever we face in the playoffs.
what happens if we start halladay & get burned when burnett or cc should have started??
if we get halladay is cc pushed to our 3rd starter in the playoffs???
Like I said yesterday, if the Yankees want Doc, they will get him.
I just think the price is TOO high if they Trade Joba/Phil, AJax/Jesus, and 2 more; then have to extend Doc with another 100mil.
The RedSox maybe getting him is not a good reason to sell the farm. They get him, fine; we got Tex over them. You can’t get everyone.
Look, the Yankees spent big $$ for CC and AJ. They have to be as good as Beckett and Lester, that is their job. Get it done! They don’t need to be bailed out by adding another 100mil arm.
“Hughs was really bad in the one start against Baltimore. But he did a good job in his other six starts”
Not really. His start in Boston stunk. He had starts against Cleveland and Minnesota that were ordinary to less than ordinary (10 IP, 7 ER, 11 hits, 6 BB/8 K). He was great against Detroit and Texas and was better than his numbers suggested in his 2nd start vs. Baltimore.
Giuseppe Franco
i don’t.
i said whoever we face.
but if we advance we are going to have to face becket & lester.
our pitching has not gotten it done in big spots.
we have been outpitched in playoff & big series.
if that does not change halladay won’t matter.
Richie sounds like a deluded Pirates fan.
bru,
There are no guarantees in this game, which means there’s no guarantee Boston will make it to Round Two.
Worry about the ALCS when the Yanks get there. Lots of baseball to be played between now and then.
disco stu,
what Richie was talking about in this sentence: “I would rather lose with a team composed of players I have watched develop in the minors than win with a rotisserie team of other franchise’s aging stars”
was preceeded by his first paragraph:
“If the Yankees are actually contemplating trading Joba, Hughes, and/or Montero for a 32 year old starter who will ultimately require a massive contract that will likely pay him big bucks well into his decline phase, it is an overt admission that Cashman’s plan to reload around high ceiling young players (crown jewels of which are Joba, Hughes, and Montero) has failed.”
Richie was pointing out that Cashman’s plan since 2005 was to build the system to where he would constantly reload thru home grown talent, therefore eliminating the need to sign big money free agents. Spend the big dollars on your own guys as they did with Jeter,Mo, Posada, Bernie, etc.
If Cashman then trades three of his “reload players” for Halladay then his own plans could be viewed as a failure.
Richie spoke nothing about the 1990’s teams, but what Cashman was going to do for the present and future.
By the way, even though Montero was 2-2 last night, the South All-Stars stole four bases off him. He also had a passed ball.
Good hit, no field – yet.
Cash is not moving any of his major prospects until the Yankees establish a core of young players on the major league roster. By 2011 Cano 28, Hughes 25, Chamberlain 25, Jackson 24 & Montero 21 could be that special core.
Personally if you’re willing to eat contracts propose to the Diamonbacks a trade where you take on the rest of Eric Byrnes contract[what's left of his 11M/year thru 2010] if they trade you Haren.
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For Haren I would not hesitate to trade Montero if that’s their fancy, even if it means taking on the remaining 5.5 for Byrnes in 2009 and 11 million in 2010.
It would be similar to the Sox deal where they became the frontrunner to add Beckett because they took on 18 million for Lowell.
It was Hanley + Anibel Sanchez for Beckett + Lowell.
That’s the equivalent of Montero + McAllister for Haren + Byrnes.
Look for a BIG second half for CC and AJ. If we get that Andy, Joba, and whom ever the #5 is only have to pitch .500. Surely they can do that. And don’t count Wang out yet. Wang could get 2-3 starts at AAA and be ready by the middle of August.
I just don’t see the need to trade 3-4 good players and spend another 100mil to get Doc.
The Yankee have played .580 ball so far with lots of setbacks along the way. .580 gets you 94 wins and at least the wild card.
I’d only make moves that don’t costs big in both players and $$. They have enough. Have some faith in the players we have……..
By the way, even though Montero was 2-2 last night, the South All-Stars stole four bases off him. He also had a passed ball.
Good hit, no field – yet.
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And this right here is where the hype factors into the equation. We overlook this just as the front office ignored the concerns about Joba’s endurance coming out of college where he lost velocity and fell to the Yankees in the supplemental round of the draft. There are legitimate issues with Montero and questions about him remaining at catcher. Meanwhile, he’s the 3rd highest rated prospect while still being viewed as a catcher. If he reaches a higher level and can’t control the running game or handle better pitchers, he will no longer be viewed as a catcher and his value will drop.
That’s why trading Jesus Montero might be a smart sell-high right now. Him catching is farther from a guarantee than Halladay being dominant at age 35 or 36.
Imagine if the Yankees offered Joba after his 2007 debut in the bullpen when he was throwing 100 MPH with a 90 MPH slider.
In the midst or all the Halladay noise, cant you see the Sox quietly pulling Josh Johnson through their Florida pipeline for next to nothing? Ugg.
“In the midst or all the Halladay noise, cant you see the Sox quietly pulling Josh Johnson through their Florida pipeline for next to nothing? Ugg.”
No…I still don’t see where everyone gets that Josh Johnson is going anywhere…he gets paid next to nothing ($1.4MM) and is not arb eligible for 3-4 years. Give me one good reason the Marlins would trade him?
Would it surprise you? The Marlins are’nt in the habit of locking up pitchers for long term deals and are dragging their feet in Johnson’s case. Why?
“In the midst or all the Halladay noise, cant you see the Sox quietly pulling Josh Johnson through their Florida pipeline for next to nothing? Ugg.”
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Boston needs a bat with concerns about Lowell’s hip and the still slowing down Ortiz. Also catching concerns.
It’s a smokescreen to showcase Buchhotz Friday vs. the Jays. Other scouts will be there.
Much as I would love to have Halladay, I would love to see Austin Jackson and Jesus Montero in the same lineup with Tex and Arod in 2 years, with Cervelli as the starting catcher and Austin Romine knocking on the door at AAA. If Halladay was 28, I’d be more inclined to make the deal. But he is already 32. Who knows if he might be heading to the downside of his career after this year.
Igawa, Edwar, Matsui, Molina, and Marte for Halladay…
Fan Interference-Reality Check
July 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Igawa, Edwar, Matsui, Molina, and Marte for Halladay…
Talk about trash for cash! Why would the Blue Jays make this trade in a million years???????
Bret the Hitman
July 16th, 2009 at 9:27 am
By the way, even though Montero was 2-2 last night, the South All-Stars stole four bases off him. He also had a passed ball.
Good hit, no field – yet.
Yes, I don’t understand why the Yanks don’t try to move Montero to the outfield, where he could play almost every day and where we will need him as soon as next year if Damon’s contract is not renewed. His bat is ready, his defense is not. A bad catcher can hurt a team just as much as a good hitter can help it. Leave the business (future business, looking a year or two ahead) of calling games and defensive catching to Cervelli, at least until Romine is ready.
“Fan Interference-Reality Check
July 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Igawa, Edwar, Matsui, Molina, and Marte for Halladay…
Talk about trash for cash! Why would the Blue Jays make this trade in a million years???????”
Pretty sure he/she was being sarcastic.
except for montero, I would do any combination of minor leaguers along with hughes and joba.. i can’t see how you can give up both joba and hughes as well as a high prospect like montero..
Montero 2-2..what a monster.
Tony C
July 16th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Would it surprise you? The Marlins are’nt in the habit of locking up pitchers for long term deals and are dragging their feet in Johnson’s case. Why?
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the Marlins have a new stadium under construction and opening in 2011, they aren’t trading any top talent right now…
trade matsui/ajax + matsui salary for washburn/ichiro – hideki will be a draw for the m’s
Rick
Reality says they can’t all be kept. Good teams are comprised of some free agents, some from trades and some prospects that showed their worth.
Only so many minor league prospects will rise above AAA. It’s up to evaluators to decide who is kept and who goes in a deal.
The easiest way for a GM to get fired is to get too hyped up about prospect
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Reality doesn’t say anything of the kind, but reality is less important than logic. Logic says that you keep high ceiling, cost controlled players young players if you want have the kind of talented team with roster flexibility that Cashman has set as his goal for years.
This team has plenty of quality free agents and veterans acquired through trades. What it lacks are young prospects that are becoming young stars.
The upshot of your point is that prospects are fungible, which is provably false. Every star in the game was a prospect at one time.
Your comment about the easiest way for GM getting fired is merely another way of saying that owners are as impatient as fans and have as little knowledge about mL development.
That doesn’t mean that trading prospects is a smart way to proceed if a team wants to be in a position to win very single year.
Betsy
Richie, I’m sorry – that’s ridiculous.
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Betsy,
What’s ridiculous, is that you would say that without offering a single reason to support your baseless assertion.
Make your case.
You guys should check out Halladay’s stats against the Red Sox, Rays and Angels.
You might not be so excited about acquiring Halladay after you see how he’s done.
Halladay is great against the Yankees, mediocre against the Red Sox and Rays, AND Angels.
I go after Washburn. Seattle needs to lose his salary, he’s a lefty, and his ERA is under 3. He fits in as the #3 starter, pushing Andy down to #4, and pitcher by committee as #5. Hughes and Joba are kept, as is Montero. He’s worthy of a Kennedy though, plus some lesser figures – Miranda, PJ Pellitere, take your pick – other than anyone on the current 40-man roster.