Game 89: Tigers at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 17, 2009 
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YANKEES (51-37)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Pitching: RHP A.J. Burnett (8-4, 3.77)
TIGERS (48-39)
Granderson CF
Polanco 2B
Cabrera 1B
Thames DH
Thomas RF
Inge 3B
Anderson LF
Laird C
Everett SS
Pitching: LHP Lucas French (1-0, 1.93).
TIME/TV: 7:05 p.m., YES.
STATE OF THE STRIPES: The Yankees have had four days off since since being swept by the Los Angeles Angels last weekend. They have lost four of their last seven to sink three games behind Boston in the American League East. However, they lead the Wild Card standings.
TIGER TANGLE: The Yankees took two of three against the Tigers in Detroit earlier this season.
A.J. FOR STARTERS: Burnett is 4-1, 1.34 in his last five starts, allowing 23 hits over 33.2 innings while striking out 35. He is 3-1 against the Tigers in his career but with an 8.03 ERA.
MR. FRENCH, MR. FRENCH: Lucas French is a 23-year-old lefty who has appeared in four games and made two starts. In 14 innings, he has allowed 12 hits and fanned eight. He beat the Royals and Zack Greinke on July 9, allowing one run over 6.1 innings. French was Detroit’s eighth-round draft pick in 2004 out of a high school in Colorado.
A TEST: The Yankees are 5-15 against teams that lead their respective divisions at the moment.
CENTRAL SUCCESS: The Yankees are 16-5 against teams from the AL Central.
RED-HOT ROBBIE: Robinson Cano is 18 of 50 this month.
DOWNTRODDEN DAMON: Johnny Damon is 5 of 30 this month with five runs scored.
ONE-RUN RUNDOWN: The Yankees are 12-11 in one-run games, having lost seven of their last 10.
JETERIFFIC: Derek Jeter is 29 of his last 76 (.382) since June 21. He has raised his batting average from .301 to .321.
MATSUI MASHING: Hideki Matsui is 12 of his last 31 with four homers and 12 RBI and six runs scored.
THE PHIL PHACTOR: Phil Hughes as a reliever: 13 games, 18.2 innings, 7 hits, 2 earned runs, 5 walks, 19 strikeouts.
AND STILL THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD: Mariano Rivera has allowed one run in his last 13.2 innings while fanning 15. … By the way, he has walked nine batters in his last 111.2 innings going back to 2007. That is insane.
ROBBIE, DON’T RUN: Robinson Cano has attempted 34 stolen bases in his career and been successful only 16 times.
A-ROD ON A ROLL: Alex Rodriguez is 22 of his last 59 with eight homers, 22 RBI and 17 runs scored.
Kevin Devaney is on duty this evening and will handle the blog from here on out. I’ll be back on Sunday.
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Sergio Mitre to start Tuesday against the Orioles. Alfredo Aceves back to the bullpen.
Also LHP Mike Dunn was called up to Scranton. Reliever with good K numbers, too many walks. Has a chance.
UPDATE, 6:08 p.m.: Kevin Devaney here, filling in for Pete for the rest of the night. Aside from Mitre being announced as the Tuesday starter, not much else came out of the pregame.
Girardi did say that ARod would keep a similar playing schedule in the second half as he had before the break — a day off or DH one day per week.
Girardi also said he’s not at all concerned with the back end of the rotation despite Joba’s and Pettitte’s struggles. Joba will come around and Pettitte has had “good stuff” of late but just hasn’t gotten results.
Hideki Matsui worked out in the outfield in the afternoon but won’t see any time there barring an emergency.
Other than that, not much. I’ll check in throughout the game with any news and notes.
Update, 7:44 p.m.: The Yankees announced that Dwight Gooden, Mike Mussina, Mel Stottlemyre and Don Zimmer will be among the participants in Sunday’s Old Timers Day at the Stadium. Gates open to ticket holders at 10 a.m. Pregame introductions are at 11:45, followed by the game. I’m 29 years old and it’s weird to even imagine Gooden as an “Old Timer” let alone Mussina.
Update, 7:52 p.m.: I’m not totally sure why, but I constantly look at players’ historical stats from pre-All Star Break and post-All Star Break. Although tonight has been a little rough so far, A.J. Burnett has pitched better in his career after the break. The breakdown:
Career before the break: 119 games, 43-42 record with a 3.90 ERA.
Career after the break: 113 games, 52-38 record with a 3.71 ERA.
These are huge discrepencies, of course. But last year he was 10-8 with a 4.96 ERA before the break and 8-2 and 2.86 after. In ’07 it was 5-6 and 4.31 and 5-2 and 3.01 after.
Update, 8:38 p.m.: There are two versions of A.J. Burnett: The electric and the frustrating. Tonight is one of those games where you want to pull your hair out watching him pitch. Five walks and a hit batter and he’s not out of the fifth inning. It’s the two-out walks that bother you the most.
Burnett started the inning by leaving a pitch out over the middle to Granderson, who homered. He got bailed out by Melky on a throw from center (it helped that Miguel Cabrera did his usual half-effort running the bases). Tough outing so far for A.J. However, there’s plenty of game left.
Update, 9:04 p.m.: It wouldn’t be impossible for the Yankees to score 2 or 3 runs here and then have the bullpen put up zeros and get A.J. the win, would it? That’s my prediction.
Update, 9:31 p.m.: It’s beginning to rain here at the Stadium. Showers were expected.
Update, 9:35 p.m.: The Journal News seat in the press box is just to the left of home plate. When that ball left Mark Teixeira’s bat, from my angle, I was pretty certain it was going to hit the moon.
Update, 10:08 p.m.: Rain delay… I wouldn’t say I’m afraid of thunder and lightning. But I’m a little uneasy sitting here listening to roars off in the distance. It’s really pouring here, too. Might be a while.
Update, 10:11 p.m.: It’s officially monsooning here at the Stadium. Lightning is flashing.
UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: The rain is letting up but there’s nobody out on the field. Keep you posted.
UPDATE, 11:01 p.m.: Well, we’re a minute or so away from starting back up. The Tigers have taken the field. Jeter up.
http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USCT0239_f.html
this is the weather coming in.
looks bad
I don’t like that lineup. TBA’s been slumping.
What a terrible line-up!!!!!
I’m not sure I can handle a fifth day in a row without baseball…
“DOWNTRODDEN DAMON: Johnny Damon is 5 of 30 this month with five runs scored.”
GRRRR- I do not like this attitude Pete. Johnny has been resting for 4 days. I bet he comes back awesome!!!
(At the very least we know he will be more awesome than Brandon)
As a public service, here are the lineup complaints, based on an informal survey of this blog, before the lineup is even posted.
Why is Cano batting fifth?
Why is Swisher batting second?
Why is Cabrera starting over Gardner?
Why is Gardner starting over Cabrera?
Posada should be DH’ing.
Molina should be the catcher.
Why is Posada DH’ing?
Why is Pena playing third instead of Hinske?
Hinske should be the RF’er.
Why is Hinske getting the start in RF?
Feel free to add any others that come to mind. No fair adding a complaint after the lineup has been actually posted.
Tarheelyank
July 17th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
What a terrible line-up!!!!!
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I agree. You need 9 players in it!!! This just has some dude named TBA. What is Girardi thinking?
What’t the weather look like there?
Oops. Missed the first post.
bru,
i live in the new fairfield, right on the ny border…it looks like armageddon is about to happen here, its already lightning/thunder/heavy rain….and weather .com says its cloudy. they should come to my house
Sweeney criticizing the Yankees for not being aggressive with Halladay (like the Dodgers, Phillies, etc….). Ooook, Sweeney – give me a break. He JUST came off saying that maybe Cash is lying in the weeds so he’s not used (like he did with Tex).
Murphy, I said that a few days ago – I think Cash did ask JP to give him the last call. Let the Yankees decide what they are willing to give up – then let JP call with the best offer he has and see if the Yankees want to match it.
AJ on 8/9 days rest? He’s going to be wild tonight, lol. Nice ERA on this French kid
I work down by Wall st. Still pretty sunny here
jpb1973
July 17th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
I’m guessing but, do teams release these guys with humungous contracts to claim a loss? Is it considered a loss? If it is, that is huge tax break. If you aren’t getting value out of a player you might as well recoup some of it with releasing them.
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Toronto just released BJ Ryan with 1-1/2 years left on his contract. They owe him the ~$15 million left on his contract. Just like any salary, its a tax deduction…even though he’s not on the team anymore.
Thank you to the person who has the same exact initials as me and born a year after.
(correct assumption?)
WYH-
Good list. That should just about sum it up. But Pena was demoted, so substitute Ransom for Pena and you have nailed it
complaint: ugh, jobas turn in the rotation again?
“Nice ERA on this French kid”
Nice ERA on Burnett too….only it’s really 3.77
They’ll get the game in.
The storms will be scattered and right now it looks like they’ll have a 2-3 hour window between those scattered storms.
Seems like maybe some heavy rain, but it passing quickly. This could all change in the next few hours but that’s how it seems to look right now.
Oh also…… what a great thing to see… a game thread!
“I work down by Wall st. Still pretty sunny here”
That’s an economy joke waiting to happen
Thank you to the person who has the same exact initials as me and born a year after. (correct assumption?)
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Same intital as you but I graduated college and got my first job in 1973.
I was just about to say the same thing. I know he’s been hittin’ well, but 22 of 29???
Erica-
I also forgot:
The Yanks should have released Ransom and kept Pena.
The Yanks should have released Molina and kept Cervelli.
Brain cramp on Pena before – sorry.
miggs July 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
They’ll get the game in.
The storms will be scattered and right now it looks like they’ll have a 2-3 hour window between those scattered storms.
Seems like maybe some heavy rain, but it passing quickly. This could all change in the next few hours but that’s how it seems to look right now.
Oh also…… what a great thing to see… a game thread!
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Didn’t you say you were leaving until the trade deadline or until the next Yanks game?
“I think Cash did ask JP to give him the last call. Let the Yankees decide what they are willing to give up”
That’s ridiculous. How do we know Espstein and Amaro didn’t ask for the same thing? Further, what would make anyone believe Ricciardi wouldn’t take Cashman’s “last call” back to the Red Sox and say “the Yankees came up to this”? This isn’t free agency. You can lay back a little in free agency. In the case of a trade, that’s not necessarily the case.
Lol jpb1973, sounds like a better year than the day you were born.
Ok, Erica, my original Apple Valley resonse has been un-filtered. If you check the 2:54pm area of the last thread, you’ll get the true lowdown.
It’s too hot to re-type it.
Just checked it’2 22 of 59.
ok – the complaints can begin now–no gardner…
Congratulations go out to Patrick the Prospect Hugger who correctly predicted tonight’s line up at 3:05. Very impressive Patrick.
Tune in tomorrow folks for another round of “Predict the Line up”
The A-Rod stats are way off … all I could figure was that he meant hit in 22 of his last 29 games and didn’t write it? I mean he was 0-5 on Sunday so you knew 22-29 wasn’t really a possibility.
Yankee game! YAY!
Please no rain
I like Sweeny Murti, but he doesn’t know what Cashman is up to and neither does any other reporter.
Some of us might have problems with Cashman as GM, but I think most of us agree that Cashman plays his cards close to the vest and many of his moves are made without the media knowing what is going on.
“A-ROD ON A ROLL: Alex Rodriguez is 22 of his last 29 with eight homers, 22 RBI and 17 runs scored.”
Pete, you need smack your stats guy in the noggin.
Holy Jesus Montero @ Tiger missing the cut!
Of note, Cano moved down and Cabrera hitting nonth with the LHP on the mound. Sound lineup if you ask me.
Nice to see a game thread again. Hope that the weather holds out.
A-Rod’s 22 for his last 59, not 29.
What kind of lineup is this?
Why is Matsui in there against a lefty?
Where is Gardner, he is MASHING the ball.
Hinske? I guess hitting 3 HRs on the road trip wasn’t good enough for Girardi… he continues to play his love child Swisher….
Rays involved for Roy Hallady? Um yeah right I’ll believe it when I see it. They don’t spend money, they are going to spend 15 million on one player?
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Congratulations go out to Patrick the Prospect Hugger who correctly predicted tonight’s line up at 3:05. Very impressive Patrick.
Tune in tomorrow folks for another round of “Predict the Line up
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very nice patrick.
Blue Jays dont want to trade Halladay to the yankees or red sox. I dont understand why people dont get that. The phillies or dodgers should be more aggresive because they have a realistic chance of trading for him, both teams have the prospects to get it done and are not in the same division as the blue jays.
Ramey
July 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
“I work down by Wall st. Still pretty sunny here”
That’s an economy joke waiting to happen
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Haha good one!
Gardner was actually in the original lineup but was removing after failing to make the NYY Top 20 Power Players list.
Nick in SF in Apple Valley, CA
July 17th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Erica: Apple Valley does not look as it sounds. It’s dry and hot here (101 at the moment) and I have yet to see an apple anywhere (the Applebees doesn’t count).
This place has more of a New Mexico/southwestern feel to it than anyplace I’ve ever been in California. I think Roy Rogers/Dale Evans made movies/tv shows here, one of the big roads is called the Happy Trails Highway.
All things being equal, I’d rather be swimming with the pigs in the Bahamas.
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That is so depressing
The should call it Hot and Dry Valley, Californoa
This is cool:
A source close to the situation confirmed to ESPN.com Friday that Army and Notre Dame will play the first football game at the new Yankee Stadium in 2010.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/.....id=4336932
jpb1973
July 17th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Thank you to the person who has the same exact initials as me and born a year after. (correct assumption?)
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Same intital as you but I graduated college and got my first job in 1973.
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Running around with a spray bottle of water and a dirty rag and washing car windows for a quarter doesn’t really mean “WORKING ON WALL STREET”, does it?
I like Sweeny Murti, but he doesn’t know what Cashman is up to and neither does any other reporter.
Some of us might have problems with Cashman as GM, but I think most of us agree that Cashman plays his cards close to the vest and many of his moves are made without the media knowing what is going on.
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Maybe Sweeney is part of the misinformation plan. That is, he is asked (by Cashman) to make it sound like they Yankees aren’t interested, when they really are.
The radar looks awful… heavy rain coming from the South And from the West that will converge upon NY. The radar is basically all green from Boston down to Virginia and all of PA…
“Holy Jesus Montero @ Tiger missing the cut!”
He was at Even when he teed off on the 8th hole. By the time he was done with 13 he was at +7. He needed to go -3 over the final three holes to make it to the weekend and went birdie, birdie, par.
Nick in SF-
That is so depressing. They should call it Hot and Dry, California and leave the apples out of it
spoiler alert:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/.....id=4336932
Just saw that about Tiger, Rebecca. 2 double-bogeys.
Kenny
July 17th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
What kind of lineup is this?
Why is Matsui in there against a lefty?
Where is Gardner, he is MASHING the ball.
Hinske? I guess hitting 3 HRs on the road trip wasn’t good enough for Girardi… he continues to play his love child Swisher….
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I am pretty sure these are genuine complaints and not sarcasm. We are officially back to normal. YAY!!!
“Blue Jays dont want to trade Halladay to the yankees or red sox. I dont understand why people dont get that.”
Bingo. Unless he has no other choice, he is not trading him in the division. JP can say what he wants publicly. The ownership group is involved in this trade as well according to Heyman… think they want to see Halladay with the Yanks?
All it takes is a comparable package for him to ship Halladay to the NL… it doesn’t have to be better than ours. As long as it is somewhat even, he isin’t coming here.
Darn, I left out “why is Matsui DH’ing against a lefty” in my list of blog lineup complaints. That one was a hanging curve and I whiffed…
Most of the Joba, Jackson, Romine proposals are from this blog… nothing of substance to them.
All the media reports had Hughes/Joba, Montero, and Jackson. If JP can get that kind of haul, of course he will trade him in the division. Good luck getting Cashman to do that though.
“# Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus July 17th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
I’m not sure I can handle a fifth day in a row without baseball…
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yeah the last couple days have been rough …even worse when no other major sports are going on, probably the slowest couple days of the year for sports…yesterday had a few games though
AJ, CC, Halladay and then, just pray.
Nick in SF in Apple Valley, CA
July 17th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Ok, Erica, my original Apple Valley resonse has been un-filtered. If you check the 2:54pm area of the last thread, you’ll get the true lowdown.
It’s too hot to re-type it.
Sounds a lot like Apple Hades to me.
I was usually happy with double-bogeys when I played golf in Scotland. It was the snowmen that killed me!
AJ, CC, Halladay and then, just pray.
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I have my doubts that Halladay is coming to NY but, nonetheless, I believe that three very good starters would get the Yankees into the playoffs (via the wildcard) and then three very good starters could take the Yankees all the way in the playoffs. In the playoffs, most teams only use 4 starters.
let doc go elsewhere, find a good rh bullpen arm and get phil back in the rotation.
EVERY GM will tell JP to give them a courtesy call back before making any final decisions to see if they will match an offer.
Cashman isin’t the only one who will get that opportunity to get last licks. Every GM will, including Theo. It’s standard business procedure. No team has to show their cards right away.
I’m not so sure Tiger has the same type of focus on his game that he had before getting married and having a family. There has to be some distractions just by the nature of trying to be a good husband and father.
Nick,
Get out of Apple Valley now:
“Notable residents of Apple Valley”
John W. Henry, owner of the Boston Red Sox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....California
GreenBeret7
July 17th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
AJ, CC, Halladay and then, just pray.
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A prayer might not be necessary then.
Or pray for no rain.
oh boy, a lefty we’ve never faced before.
Question, maybe someone can help. I just discovered minor league stats. I notice the Yankees have some minor leaguers hitting for solid averages right now. I looked up Cody Ransom and he is a career 240 minor league hitter. How in the world does he get called up to the varsity? How does that work? Wouldnt you take your best players and move them to the majors? Isnt it clear that playing almost 12 years in the minors with a 240+ average that he is not a major league calibre player?
John Heyman hears the Blue Jays have told the Yankees and Red Sox they’re unlikely to trade Roy Halladay within the AL East and haven’t even returned a call the Yankees placed about Halladay over a week ago. That leaves the Phillies and, now, the Dodgers as frontrunners to acquire the Jays ace.
Good find Tom in NJ.
Nick – take a picture of John Henry’s childhood log cabin and outhouse while you are there.
Why do we keep getting these Cody Ranson questions when none of us know why this guy is a New York Yankee.
Sherman wasn’t breaking any ground in his article.
What indication has Cashman ever given that he would do a Joba/Hughes, A-Jax, Romine, Melancon package for a 32 yr old pitcher with 1.5 years left on his deal?
He would have to deviate from his plan and do something he has never done since gaining full control. Of course it is unlikely. It’s not Sherman giving us inside information, it’s him seeing the obvious.
Just because the fans want to rush Joba out of town because of a couple bad starts, doesn’t mean the GM will feel the same way.
French + Porcello > Hughes + Joba ?
i like our guys. i think joba’s gonna find his place, i think it will eventually be the bullpen, and i think phil hughes will take what he’s learned in the pen about pitching back into the rotation and dominate. i say no deal.
Tom in NJ, you just scared the living hell out of me. The part I haven’t already sweated out, I mean.
No wonder everyone here looks broken and bitter.
The Joba Theory, explained and expanded…took me most of the day just to do the table!
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....anded.html
I don’t care if he’s your #1. As long as he’s on this team. The Yankees will never be more than a 1st round-and-out team.
May the curse live on. Long live the “Curse of A-Rod”
“I don’t care if he’s your #1. As long as he’s on this team. The Yankees will never be more than a 1st round-and-out team.
May the curse live on. Long live the “Curse of A-Rod”
And if we didn’t have him, we’d be a third place team
Excellent post Rebecca. In fact, I agree with you so much I was quoting you to a co-worker before. I just sent him the link to your expanded article.
I think the Yankees really painted themselves into a corner with Joba
lol, nick.
Is it like a scene from The Birds? People running from an attack of the tweets?
Nick in SF,
Are you going to the games in Oakland?
I hope to hit up one or two.
Let’s meet up, toast Yankee domination, and drink some adult libations together in our pinstripes.
Erica:
“Excellent post Rebecca. In fact, I agree with you so much I was quoting you to a co-worker before. I just sent him the link to your expanded article.
I think the Yankees really painted themselves into a corner with Joba”
Wanna know something interesting?
I just looked up Rick Porcello’s stats, since he’s been struggling a lot of late as well–and what do you know, only one year in the minors and <150 IP.
It's so obvious, I'm still aghast…
Really, really good to have baseball back this eve.
Happy Friday All.
-dennis
2 hours and 40 minutes until Yankee baseball
(Again, in a world without rain)
Mitre starting Tuesday, Aceves to BP.
dennis-Costanza
July 17th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Really, really good to have baseball back this eve.
Happy Friday All.
-dennis
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afternoon, Dennis. What’s the feeling up there in Moose Tongue? Is Buchholz being showcased or audition a Red Sox rotation spot?
Erica:
Thanks. If you want to see something interesting, look up Rick Porcello and apply the theory…
Anyone hear the news on Melky and a certain adult actress??/
YIKES
***auditioned for*** a Red Sox rotation spot
The problem with Joba is not just that he has had a few bad starts. Number one, he’s constantly making the same mistakes over and over again and doesn’t seem to be learning anything. Number two, I seriously question his attitude and how much he actually cares. Does he even want to get better? Judging by some things he has said I’m not sure about that. Even though supposedly the Jays really don’t want to trade Halladay within the division, it would be really stupid to do so just ‘cuz they are in the division and pass on possibly better prospects that the Yankees have. But we’ll have to see what happens. Joba was untouchable earlier but I wouldn’t be too sad to see him go for a difference maker like Halladay. Adding Roy could put us in the World Series this year, and even though he is no spring chicken, it actually looks like he is getting better with some age. He could be at the top of his game for 5 more seasons.
Mad Prince: as of now, I hope to attend all 3 games. Some type of LoHud Yankee Stadium West meetup is in order.
Felix, that is an entirely unacceptable post. You most name names.
BASEBALL!!!
“most” should be “must”
And everyone pray for no rain, obviously
felix, you’re a few months late on that, i think.
actually feilx is probably referring to the rumor that melky spent a lot of time with her during the recent series in anaheim
Rebecca
Great job. It makes more sense then any other theory I have heard.
Melky better realize he’s not Arod and therefore if anything negative becomes a Yankee problem, he’ll be shipped out so fast, he wouldn’t know what hit him.
Nothing heard about what progress, if any, that Wang is making.
GB7.
Hope all is well in Midway.
Moose Tongue says audition. Lugo, DFA’d, wow, what a horrible signing by Theo.
-dennis
Adult actress or adult film actress? Big difference.
Cash is King
July 17th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Melky better realize he’s not Arod and therefore if anything negative becomes a Yankee problem, he’ll be shipped out so fast, he wouldn’t know what hit him.
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Adult actresses are people too. Just being spotted in public together shouldn’t a be a crime. It would really depend on what the rumor floating around is
Nick in SF,
I agree.
Who else do we know on here that is West Coast?
Isn’t there a chick named Michelle or something that said she was down a while back?
m,
adult film actress
Who cares who Cabrera is with? As long as it doesn’t affect his play, it’s nobody’s business, no matter how much fans and media think it is.
“Adult actresses are people too. Just being spotted in public together shouldn’t a be a crime. It would really depend on what the rumor floating around is”
As long as it doesn’t negatively reflect on the Yankees, it won’t be a problem, but if it does, it’s goodbye Melky.
Tarheelyank: Thanks.
The absolute simplest explanation is that Joba is a young pitcher going through going pains, but people like numbers and solid data, so there I went.
I wonder if there are other guys like Porcello I could try…having a hard time thinking of names off hand, but I have my huge BP next to me…
“Who cares who Cabrera is with? As long as it doesn’t affect his play, it’s nobody’s business, no matter how much fans and media think it is.”
With the way Melky played in anaheim, it seems like it’s helping his play on the field, if anything
As long as what (and, uh, who) Melky does in his spare time is legal, the Yankees probably won’t care too much.
They’ve certainly endured worse.
Is the Melky/Pornstar ‘news’ that stupid video that has been around forever?
“Who cares who Cabrera is with? As long as it doesn’t affect his play, it’s nobody’s business, no matter how much fans and media think it is.”
You wanna a bet it doesn’t matter what the fans and media thinks? Never underestimate the effect negative perception has on businesses trying to market their product to the general public.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 17th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
The Joba Theory, explained and expanded…took me most of the day just to do the table!
Interesting Rebecca, but I don’t quite agree with you. LOL! Nice work & thoughts though. From my perspective Joba has the same issue that Wang has, his legs are weak from a lack of conditioning. Mussina had the same issue in 2007 and we saw a difference in 2008 when he went full out on his off-season workouts. A pitcher derives maximum power from three basic sources:
1. His leg strength which is used to push off the rubber/mound to jettison the ball with a maximum force.
2. His core strength to maintain an optimum delivery with a consistent mechanics. When the mechanics go awry the pitches usually decrease in velocity and vary in accuracy. In most cases a pitcher tries to compensate for this weakness and may end up being precise in locations but not where he wants the pitch. (eg- high pitches or wide of strike zone pitches.)
3. Lastly it is arm strength. Now this is usually the resultant of a lack of 1 or 2, but things like carpal tunnel syndrome and actual injury are what most people see.
I think Joba has had shortened seasons and was injured last year and he spent most of his off-season being himself and not getting his legs and core into optimal shape. His mechanics are all over the place. It is frustrating to throw a pitch and realize the result is less than what you expected. This causes some younger pitchers to try to man up so to speak and overthrow. The pitch loses velocity, movement and accuracy. Sounds like what Joba is doing to me. The fix is quite simple. Slow down the velocity now and work on the mechanics. Next off-season work on the legs and core for strength and stamina. He will be fine as long as he doesn’t try to wing it beyond what his core is capable to provide. Injuries are quite often caused by consistently overthrowing.
A lot of young pitchers when they first taste success relax and often have a bumpy sophomore year, thus the Sophomore Jinx tag. As long as they don’t get injured in the process of learning how to be a pitcher then they will be okay. Joba will be Joba again soon, but not the Jesus Joba in Torre’s bullpen.
dennis-Costanza
July 17th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
GB7.
Hope all is well in Midway.
Moose Tongue says audition. Lugo, DFA’d, wow, what a horrible signing by Theo.
-dennis
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It’s going to be a tough job for him tonight, I’d think. Toronto has a really good group of hitters. Wells and Rios seem to have woken up a bit. It will be interesting to see what the Boston hitters can do with Romero. If he stays healthy, he could be exceptional.
All is well here in Midway….except for the rain. Seems like the more it rains, the higher my weeds get.
ahh yankee baseball
pleaseee no rain!
RayVT,
I think you’re spot on with your assessment on Joba
“As long as what (and, uh, who) Melky does in his spare time is legal, the Yankees probably won’t care too much.
They’ve certainly endured worse.”
It’s not about doing anything illegal, but whether it hurts Yankee marketing.
are people talking about the video? Bc thats old news and its also an old video, thats when melk wore #28.
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Sergio Mitre to start Tuesday against the Orioles. Alfredo Aceves back to the bullpen.
you guys need to learn to check some better sites for weather.
here’s my rundown…
http://www.goes.noaa.gov/ECIR4.html
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/northeast_loop.php
http://www.wunderground.com/sports/MLB/
and my personal favorite
http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/.....nusir.html
Ray VT: Glad you enjoyed it.
I won’t disagree with you–though i will admit that I don’t want to conjecture into Joba’s conditioning because I simply don’t know–but, yet again, we come to an issue where if Joba had more experience pitching, it’s probably more than less likely that Joba would be in better conditioned shape.
If he was in the minors now, he’d be working on his mechanics, and the other pitches, and we wouldn’t think much of it.
Up here, there’s utterly no room for error. He isn’t allowed to struggle.
Good points.
“UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Sergio Mitre to start Tuesday against the Orioles. Alfredo Aceves back to the bullpen.”
They had little choice, but to give Mitre a shot based on last week’s results and how Mitre is pitching at SWB.
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Sergio Mitre to start Tuesday against the Orioles. Alfredo Aceves back to the bullpen.
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Now we are making sense!
If Cabrera is traded, it’s not because of who he sees, it’s because he’s part of a deal to help the team. It’s still nobody’s business.
Unless Melky appears in one of her “movies”, I doubt the Yankees care. They can’t tell him who he can or can’t date.
“If Cabrera is traded, it’s not because of who he sees, it’s because he’s part of a deal to help the team. It’s still nobody’s business.”
Bingo. Cashman isin’t going to trade him because he is dating a porn-star. That would be absurd. He can go out with whoever he wants as long as he doesn’t do anything crazy.
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Sergio Mitre to start Tuesday against the Orioles. Alfredo Aceves back to the bullpen.
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Now we are making sense!
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Well, we certainly can’t be having any sense made on the team or this board. These shenanigans need to stop.
It might be old news… but it may start to gather steam and have an effect on Melky…. He’s been clutch and I’d like him to continue that clutchness.
Judge for yourselves……
http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/.....tape-25123
Sorry GB7-
I will try to suppress all further logic.
“If Cabrera is traded, it’s not because of who he sees, it’s because he’s part of a deal to help the team. It’s still nobody’s business.”
As long as Melky doesn’t embarass the Yankee organization, he has nothing to worry about.
Good to be back!
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Sorry GB7-
I will try to suppress all further logic.
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Can’t make exemptions for anyone. If you start making sense, the first thing you know, everyone will want to make sense. then, where would we be?
Rebecca-
The absolute simplest explanation is that Joba is a young pitcher going through going pains.
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Don’t you just hate those going pains. Keep on going and going and going. There’s medicine that Joba should take for that!!
“Can’t make exemptions for anyone. If you start making sense, the first thing you know, everyone will want to make sense. then, where would we be?”
GB7-
It would be CHAOS!
Melky hitting .308 w/.400 OBP in last 26 ABs. No one cares who he is doing.
Yankee Trader
July 17th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Don’t you just hate those going pains. Keep on going and going and going. There’s medicine that Joba should take for that!!
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Hahahahahaha. I think Going pains are a side effect from playing all those games against the Angles
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
“Can’t make exemptions for anyone. If you start making sense, the first thing you know, everyone will want to make sense. then, where would we be?”
GB7-
It would be CHAOS!
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Exactly. it would be the final sign of the end of times.
will Girardi be on with King Arrogant, at 5pm ?
Thanks Ramey & Rebecca!
SJ & GB have talked about Joba’s conditioning and legs, so I’m not taking full credit here. But I use to play baseball as a Catcher, RF, 3B & SP in HS, College and semi-pro league and my Uncle pitched for the Cardinals. Amongst all of them, I discovered how important the legs are and a consistent delivery mechanics. When I’d catch in HS our best pitcher would try to overthrow when a runner got to 3B. It didn’t happen often, LOL, because he was very good and he actually ended up pitching for the Yankees. He had a blazing fastball and it would hit the backstop at the AAA stadium about 10 feet off the ground. I actually told the ump to get out of the way because I’d be running back his way on the pitch.
Don’t care who Melky is doing just as long as he doesn’t develop those “going” pains that Joba has!!
RayVt,
I was a pitcher in high school. I’m a lefty and could throw 90mph when i was 15. I hurt my legs and am lucky to even hit 70mph at 23…I could’ve been something special haha
Erica and Yankee Trader:
Ahahaha awesome!
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
“Can’t make exemptions for anyone. If you start making sense, the first thing you know, everyone will want to make sense. then, where would we be?”
GB7-
It would be CHAOS!
HAH
It would be ANARCHY!!
Love that movie
@ yankee trader
Melky’s entire season last year was “growing pains”
Not one off day for both teams matches up so it looks like either a long night ahead or a double header this weekend.
“@ yankee trader
Melky’s entire season last year was “growing pains””
People forget how young Melky really is.
I am leaving work now folks! Catch you all during game time (I hope)
Ramey
I’m sure you are special now too. Yes the legs kill athletes. That is why old golfers have issues, because their legs can’t take the workout/beating.
LOL! I threw the softball throw in HS 460 some feet which was about 14 feet further than our star HS pitcher. I’m an engineer and I threw it at an optimal angle, whereas he threw it on a line. Still like with Joba, it is the results that count. LOL!
The Yankees have a window to play, but after 11 p.m. it gets worse.
http://www.weather.com/outlook.....ink_sports
Melky may still be young, but this is his fourth season in the bigs.
As usual, his numbers have taken a nosedive since May.
“MR. FRENCH, MR. FRENCH:”
Nice Family Affair reference, Uncle Bielllll.
“Ramey
I’m sure you are special now too. Yes the legs kill athletes. That is why old golfers have issues, because their legs can’t take the workout/beating.”
Tiger’s not old!!!
RayVT
ahahah that’s awesome. the angles are always critical. the littlest difference can be a world of change
Sergio Mitre is not on the 40 man roster so somebody will have to be moved before Tuesday. Best bet: Tomko
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....p?c_id=nyy
Tiger is still great too, even though he missed the cut. He is a workout freak and has amazing strength for a golfer even after his horrible knee injury/surgery.
They can move Nady to 60 day DL.
“Sergio Mitre is not on the 40 man roster so somebody will have to be moved before Tuesday. Best bet: Tomko”
can’t they put Nady on the 60 Day DL?
“I threw the softball throw in HS 460 some feet which was about 14 feet further than our star HS pitcher.”
down a vermont hill doesn’t count ray
Chris
July 17th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Sergio Mitre is not on the 40 man roster so somebody will have to be moved before Tuesday. Best bet: Tomko
Probably not Chris. Best bet is Nady moves to 60-Day DL and opens a roster spot.
“Tiger is still great too, even though he missed the cut. He is a workout freak and has amazing strength for a golfer even after his horrible knee injury/surgery.”
I don’t even think age really factors into it. Some bodies just break down a lot sooner than others. I’m 23 years old and already need a double knee replacement. my body broke down in like 2006 lol
A guy like tiger could have those injuries and bounce back better than ever. for another golfer that probably would’ve ended their career.
You are fast cash is King!!!
randy l.
LOL! It was in Virginia. Actually the Hill City!! LOL! Lynchburg. And the truth is it was flat except the parking lot was uphill and that is where I threw it. LOL!
I assume this has been debated a lot already, so my apologies if so, but here’s my question:
If there’s truth to the rumors that the Yankees would keep Hughes over Joba in a potential deal with Toronto (a deal which, by the way, I don you see happening), how many of you think that this would would represent a short-sighted decision? Yes, for the past couple of months or so, Hughes has been much better than Joba. And Joba clearly has some attitude problems. But, not that long ago, Hughes was not looking very good, and Joba used to have several outstanding pitches. Isn’t the upside on Joba quite high, although somewhat risky? Would most GM’s rather take a chance with Joba’s high ceiling than Hughes?
I’m not sure what I think, personally, as I do worry about Joba as a starter in the long run, purely because of the concerns some scouts have had about his physical stamina for starting. But his fastball and slider have been better than Hughes’s best two pitches in the past, and he’s got a couple of other decent pitches.
As much as I don’t like Roger Clemens as a person, I do wonder if Joba would be much better off having Roger around to kick his butt into working hard on his conditioning, albeit hopefully without PEDs.
“You are fast cash is King!!!”
I’m fast on some things, but much slower when it comes to other things.:)
“I don you see happening” should be “I don’t see happening”
i like our guys. i think joba’s gonna find his place, i think it will eventually be the bullpen, and i think phil hughes will take what he’s learned in the pen about pitching back into the rotation and dominate. i say no deal.
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I’m fine either way on Halladay. As far as Joba and Phil, we see things the same way.
Joba to the pen.
Joba to the pen.
Joba to the pen.
Ramey
You are right! That is true, but I was using age as an example because we can see the loss of strength there minus the PEDS that is. LOL!
Ray
lol that’s exactly true. and hell, i probably should’ve called up brian mcnamee a few years ago for some help haha
girardi on wfan now
mitre starting on tues
Joba’s days in the pen are most likely over. When he hurt his arm/shoulder last year he has required extensive warm ups to get ready to pitch. That would be detrimental as a relief pitcher.
IMO, Joba is doing great for a 23 yr old pitcher. Working here in FL I hear all the calls screaming for TB’s Price to go to the pen. Fans see the short term gains perhaps, but Price & Joba & Hughes are special. Hughes will move to Starting again soon as well. (Probably next year with or without Halladay!)
Tomko ain’t going nowhere… he is our long man
Melancon will be sent down to make room for Mitre.
“Congratulations go out to Patrick the Prospect Hugger who correctly predicted tonight’s line up at 3:05. Very impressive Patrick.
Tune in tomorrow folks for another round of “Predict the Line up” ”
YES!! What do I win? (please be a pony, please be a pony….)
Now at least randy can never say that I’m always wrong! Sweet sweet vindication.
Joba is immature, stubborn, and lost his velocity
Trade him for Halladay before he loses all his value.
Hughes is the one who should be kept— he is mature, durable (no arm injuries), and knows how to pitch.
Bret,
No.
No.
No.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
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nice call
Tomko has pitched 3 or more innings in a game exactly once this year. For a long man he’s pretty short.
The Yanks don’t have a long man but to the extent we do I guess it’s Aceves.
What is all this talk about development and keeping prospects?
Who are we, the Royals?
The NY Yankees do not play for the future, they play for now. If you have a chance to get Halladay, you do it. We want to win the 2009 WS, not the 2012 WS.
steve,
Personally, I don’t think it’d be a mistake.
“The NY Yankees do not play for the future, they play for now. If you have a chance to get Halladay, you do it. We want to win the 2009 WS, not the 2012 WS.”
Speak for yourself. I want to win the 2009 WS AND the 2012 WS (not to mention the ones in between).
PEDs were around when I was in college in the 70′s. A friend of mine went from a scrawny 6’3″ 180 pounds to a 245 pound ironman in an offseason between HS & Freshman year in college. After he graduated I saw him and he was back to 180 or less and muscles were depleted. The PEDs thing has been a very longterm issue. I never used them, but if I had thought I’d get to the MLB if I did I probably would have. LOL!
I once caught a pre-season game and Pirates Scout Danny Murtaugh asked to speak to me after the game. I was so excited. I had 5 hits in the game and picked a runner off 1B. I rushed over thinking wow! Danny then said, when Kenny throws his fastball does it usually move up or down. I laughed and said up and that it tailed inside on RH hitters, which it did.
steve,
If I’m a GM, I take Hughes in a trade over Joba.
Way too much risk associated with Joba. He has questions about his conditioning, maturity, his shoulder, if he can be a starter etc.
I can’t take the risk on acquiring someone who is damaged goods who may or may not ultimately be a starter.
what would of happened if we traded mo,jeter,pettitte,posada???
you need a balance.
the need for a pitcher is there but you have to becarefull.
the thing that makes me nervous is girardi on the fan said they would be in a tight spot if we get another pitching injuryu because there isn’t much left in the minors.
he said maybe ace would start.
Get rid of Swisher’s contract, then you can afford to pay Halladay
Zach
July 17th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
steve,
If I’m a GM, I take Hughes in a trade over Joba.
Way too much risk associated with Joba. He has questions about his conditioning, maturity, his shoulder, if he can be a starter etc.
I can’t take the risk on acquiring someone who is damaged goods who may or may not ultimately be a starter.
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That is true Hughes is a safer bet. Joba has always been a high risk high reward guy thats why he fell to the yankees in the draft.
J Wild
July 17th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Get rid of Swisher’s contract, then you can afford to pay Halladay
LOL! That is what I kept saying yesterday.
bru: Girardi really is in a tight spot.
Lot of the guys have been hurt, are former major leaguers known to be ineffective or are too low down to be called up.
did anyone else not agree with the MLB Networks grading of our first half? they basically called the offseason a bust. Ummm since when does having the third best record in baseball make you a bust?
“Get rid of Swisher’s contract, then you can afford to pay Halladay”
What an awful contract he has. Good luck getting rid of it without paying some of it.
Scor July 17th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
What is all this talk about development and keeping prospects?
Who are we, the Royals?
The NY Yankees do not play for the future, they play for now. If you have a chance to get Halladay, you do it. We want to win the 2009 WS, not the 2012 WS.
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There was a time when George never cared about the farm and didn’t mind dealing kids away.
We call those days the 1980s and this team didn’t win jack – giving away names like Doug Drabek, Jay Buhner, Bob Tewksbury, Fred McGriff, Willie McGee, and Al Leiter.
But stick and Showalter didn’t want to be so reckless and kept unknown kids by the name of Mo Rivera, Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Bernie Williams and this young core helped this team win four rings.
Every team is holding onto their prospects with a tighter grip these days. The Yanks are not the only one.
The FA market ain’t what it used to be so they are doing it by necessity not because they just plain old feel like it.
“did anyone else not agree with the MLB Networks grading of our first half? they basically called the offseason a bust. Ummm since when does having the third best record in baseball make you a bust?”
It depends what scale the grading’s done on–are you grading the yankees on the basis of how well they’ve done compared to other teams, or how well they’ve done in comparison to what they were projected to do at the beginning of the season?
Two totally different things.
A C might be the highest grade in the class, but it’s still a C.
Game will probably start on time but get delayed once it starts, around 7:30ish for maybe an hour or so.
Hope we don’t lose AJ if we get delayed once we start….
Wave Your Hat
July 17th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Tomko has pitched 3 or more innings in a game exactly once this year. For a long man he’s pretty short.
The Yanks don’t have a long man but to the extent we do I guess it’s Aceves.
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Tomko has done nothing for the bullpen. Everytime he is needed to give multiple innings he gets rocked. He forces Girardi to take him out of the game like he did against the mets when joba struggled and the game against the marlins where sabathia left with an injury. Girardi said Melancon can give you up to 45 pitches, I rather have him in that role instead of Tomko it could be a good learning experience for him.
*8:30ish
This game is being delayed.
rain out?
Regardless if Nady is put on the 60 day DL to make room for Mitre, a pitcher will be sent down. 13 pitchers will not be carried.
Tomko’s role is to pitch 2 innings once a week or so when we have a 6+ run lead after 7 innings.
every pitcher has had an injury or two.joba is no exception.
not long ago we were beating on hughes.
things can change.
joba has very little innings in.
he basically skipped AAA.
if hughes goes back in the rotation he will have growing pains also..
kershaw,price,king felix,lincecum,etc… all struggled.
Tomorrow is mine & Ramiro Peña’s Birthday.
Pretty cool to share a birthday with a Yankee.
Rebecca-I would argue that the expectations were too high. I am not only happy with our place in the standinings, I’m thrilled-sure we’re in second, but we’re in the playoffs (our goal) and we have the third best record in baseball! And all three FA’s have done well.
I give us a B+.
Excuse me, Steve B – you can disagree without being disagreeable. I do not think it’s ridiculous that Cash may have asked JP to give him a call before he does anything, but I’ll drop this with you since debate is pointless.
We’ll probably see Mike Dunn in September since he’s already on the 40-man roster.
Those walks are going to kill him at this level, though.
2009 Yankee Salary is about $219M if you include Andy’s incentives for 40 man roster.
If the Yankees let the FA go and trade Swisher they would have over $52M coming off the books, but some players will get the raises per their contracts. (BTW Swish gets $6.75M in 2010 & $9M in 2011) So the 2010 40 Man salary w/o Swish would be $182M. So if you add Wells & Halladay it would be $219M which is the same as this year. Note Igawa’s $4M doesn’t go off the books until 2012 after the 2011 season.
Next year the Yankees will probably go after an OF and that would be an additional expense as well if Wells or Rios were not traded with Halladay to the Yanks.
2011 40 Man Salary with Halladay & Wells would be around $226M, but then you’d reduce/lose Jeter’s & Igawa’s salaries.
A-rod will never get it
July 17th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
rain out?
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Probably not, but I agree with your screen name.
tex,burnett have been great,cc should get better.
we are talking about an 11 game difference from last year.
that is in line with what some predicted.
all 3 should give us 4 extra wins.
if our pitching steps up we will be there.
it is all about the pitching.
it does not matter who we added they have to get the job done.
Mike Dunn is stud
Him and Melancon will dominate
Thanks bru
It’s not that easy to trade away $30M as it was a few years ago.
Nobody wants to absorb that kind of money for a guy who is a borderline fourth outfielder.
That’s why the Yanks got him for nothing. Swisher was a salary dump by the ChiSox.
Those who continue to bludgeon A-Rod for kicks will never get it.
MLB Network’s grades were fair
We’re 5-15 vs. 1st place teams. Are we supposed to get an A+?
Their grades were based on expectations relative to talent level, not based on record. We’re not going to be judged on the same scale as the Mariners are.
By the way, I’d rather start Ace and try Mitre as long man instead of Sergio “5.36 ERA” Mitre.
Giuseppe Franco
July 17th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Melky may still be young, but this is his fourth season in the bigs.
As usual, his numbers have taken a nosedive since May.
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As usual, those numbers can be expected to continue their rise this month…even though your post doesn’t actually contain any actual numbers and implies the “nosedive” will just continue.
The player’s actual hitting history says otherwise: poor career numbers in June for Cabrera are routinely followed by a hot July: he’s a .309 hitter in 349 career ABs for the month.
Mark-I say B+.
I don’t believe Dunn walks many at all. Perhaps you are thinking of Kroenke.
Swisher has a cool haircut and plays loud music in the clubhouse
That alone makes him worth his salary
bodhi-You are a very big Melky fan; I’m glad he’s having a good year and like the kid. But I think Gardner has a better shot of having a good ML career.
Swisher for Rios. The Blue Jays still save 42 million bucks on Rios.
Rios.
Rios.
Rios.
If it’s delayed during the game, no way AJ comes back out – even if it’s a short delay.
Actually Swishy is having a better year than Rios I believe.
Swishy please.
bru
July 17th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
every pitcher has had an injury or two.joba is no exception.
not long ago we were beating on hughes.
things can change.
joba has very little innings in.
he basically skipped AAA.
if hughes goes back in the rotation he will have growing pains also..
kershaw,price,king felix,lincecum,etc… all struggled.
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I agree in 2007 when Joba first came up he was lights out. Last year both as a starter and reliever he was dominant. This last month or so is the first time in his big league career that he is struggling it was bound to happen. Look at Verlander last year he was 11-17 with a 4.84 era. He bounced back and his pitching great this year. If Verlander was a yankee people would of wanted to trade him after last year.
Zorro
July 17th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Mike Dunn is stud
Him and Melancon will dominate
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Yanks need to give Melancon a longer “trial” period this time around. If they do that, they won’t be looking to send him back to the minors.
Agree on Dunn; I’ve seen a lot of him and he and Coke would make a great lefty duo out of the pen.
Dunn has 32 walks in 53 innings in AA
Just under 6 walks per 9 innings
If they send Melancon down for Mitre, I’m going to be ticked
It better be Tomko. If not him, then Robertson. But not Melancon.
I’m a Melancon fan so I think the kid is gonna have a good career with the big club.
I’m a HUGE Montero fan and he’s the only one I wouldn’t package in a trade for Halladay!
Sorry, just had to mention Montero. That kid is tearing the cover off the ball.
Actually Swishy is having a better year than Rios I believe.
Swishy please.
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Rios is better suited for this particular lineup though. He’s not a station-to-station guy. He makes more contact than Swish and has comparable power. The lineup is full of patient sluggers who will take a walk and pass the buck to the next guy but the next guy can’t hit with RISP. In 42 AB’s, Rios is batting .333 with RISP and 2 outs. Rios is a plus defender as well.
swisher may be having a better year then rios but there is a higher probability that rios has a better next few years the nswisher by a large margin.
rios is a better fielder, with a top nothc arm, he steals a lot more bases, and he is just a much better player he even hits for a better avg. but yes swisher has a better OBP…
if he does that in the majors he will never make it
Naturally, when we’re on the road and during the ASB, the weather is perfect and sunny in NY for 2 weeks straight
Then we come back home and it’s basically going to rain every day until we go back on the road….
Rios.
Rios.
Rios.
Tank July 17th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Dunn has 32 walks in 53 innings in AA
Just under 6 walks per 9 innings
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That’s brutal, you can’t have a walk machine reliever, keep him in the minors until he learns the necessary control.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 17th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
bodhi-You are a very big Melky fan; I’m glad he’s having a good year and like the kid. But I think Gardner has a better shot of having a good ML career.
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I like having both in the lineup, but as you can see, Gardner is protected from LHP. Melky absorbs those ABs for him. We will have a better handle on Gardner’s actual hitting ability when he is exposed by LHP regularly.
RIght now, Girardi – a bigger Gardner fan than anyone – shields him from LHP.
I actually believe the opposite – Cabrera is developing as a hitter overall and especially from the right side, making him more valuable as a genuine switch hitter.
Bret-Our lineup is doing a great job, we’re first in runs scored. Our offense is the best in the league. Swishy is having a solid year at defense, has a great OBP, and hits for power. Swishy please.
Thanks! I didn’t realize that & I just read SWB this morning about him!
Alex Rios has a 316 obp he doesn’t get on base enough to use his speed. Swisher is a much better hitter.
bodhi-The jury is out on Gardy and LHP. But he’s doing a fine job with RHP this year.
Joba throws 100 MPH
You don’t trade kids who throw 100 MPH, period.
joba has to make the adjustment,fix his mechanics,get in shape both physically & mentally.
hitters work out every day.you have to stay a step ahead of them.
joba needs to forget about the commercials,guitar hero & get his butt in shape.
bodhi -
I agree and I posted that yesterday – until Brett Gardner shows he can hit lefties, he is NOT an everyday player. At what point does Girardi give him a shot? I don’t think anytime soon, because you don’t fix what ain’t broke.
bodhisattva,
That’s nice. Continue your blind faith for Melky but he’s not an everyday player.
Your mind-boggling numbers over his last 26 at-bats are not really anything we should get excited about since he’s hitting a robust .237 /.319 / .381 in 118 at-bats since May 25th.
Maybe Cashman doesn’t think the rotation is in dire needs of new arms like the fans do.
Rios career BA is .285.
Swisher is .243.
Rios makes contact at a much greater rate and his career OBP of .335 is average.
This lineup lacks contact overall which is why they go into prolonged slumps then score runs in bunches. They are inconsistent because there are only 2 contact hitters in the lineup batting .300 (Jeter and Cano).
TV Dinner-For the right player (or players) you trade anybody.
I wouldn’t trade A-Rod for, say, Tim Linececum outright, but if I were offered him, Matt Cain AND Pablo Sandoval you’d be foolish not to do it.
The point of my little scenario is that nobody is inexpendable for the right price; Roy Halladay is the right price.
Gardner is hitting .244 with a .340 OBP in 41 ABs against lefties
That’s not terrible.
Bret-Disagree.
His really high OBP and legitimate power, not to mention him having a better year than Rios, make me still want Swishy.
RBI Man-Sample size.
I hope it ends up not terrible but for now the jury is still out.
Rios career BA is .285.
Swisher is .243.
Rios makes contact at a much greater rate and his career OBP of .335 is average.
This lineup lacks contact overall which is why they go into prolonged slumps then score runs in bunches. They are inconsistent because there are only 2 contact hitters in the lineup batting .300 (Jeter and Cano).
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Our lineup is top 10 in the majors at not striking out.
Jerkface-Wow, I did not know that. Good stat.
vb03
July 17th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Tank July 17th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Dunn has 32 walks in 53 innings in AA
Just under 6 walks per 9 innings
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That’s brutal, you can’t have a walk machine reliever, keep him in the minors until he learns the necessary control.
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Remember Dunn is a converted OF. The lack of control is puzzling, considering the command I saw from him of all of his pitches, but maybe he’s hitting a bump in his evolution as a pitcher.
When I last saw him, he was using his slider vs lefties to good account and was throwing hard, but wasn’t out of control. I wonder if he’s trying to become a pitcher and hit the outside corner more, or is suddenly reticent about contact. The times I’ve seen him, he comes inside and makes life very uncomfortable for hitters.
It’ll be interesting to see how he responds to the “promotion” to AAA.
Bret the Hitman
July 17th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Rios career BA is .285.
Swisher is .243.
Rios makes contact at a much greater rate and his career OBP of .335 is average.
This lineup lacks contact overall which is why they go into prolonged slumps then score runs in bunches. They are inconsistent because there are only 2 contact hitters in the lineup batting .300 (Jeter and Cano).
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THe yankees lineup leads the league in homeruns and only two teams in the american league the orioles and blue jays have less strikeouts than the yankees. They are making contact the yanks dont strikeout much.
Alex Rios only makes about 5% more contact than Swisher on average. Not great
YankeesWFAN Mike Mussina is coming to Old Timers Day. Seriously. Maybe he will start instead of Mitre on Tuesday. Kidding of course. Kind of…
We would be top 5 if not for SWISHer LOL
Alex Rios swings at more pitches out of the zone than Swisher. We don’t need another cano.
“YankeesWFAN Mike Mussina is coming to Old Timers Day. Seriously. Maybe he will start instead of Mitre on Tuesday. Kidding of course. Kind of…”
I suggested this earlier and got shot down.
Why not try to bring Mussina out of retirement? He could outperform Mitre and probably Andy/Joba. How many rehab starts would he need?
We would be top 5 if not for SWISHer LOL
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Our “prolonged slump”lasted about two weeks, and even then for a batting slump it could’ve been far worse.
aww, yay Moose! That’s great – I can’t wait to see him again.
Giuseppe Franco
In all fairness, Melky played hurt for some of those games if you remember. I personally think Melky has a much higher upside than Gardner. Gardner age 25 (26 next month) has no arm so he is limited to CF or maybe some LF. He is still thriving some on teams not knowing him as well whereas Melky is still trying to overcome the book on him and IMO doing ok. Wells is better than both of them now. (Not considering cost ok!) Melky age 24 (25 next month) has a great arm and could easily be a RF too. Melky was rushed onto the scene and is still learning and IMO will add strength and his power will go up.
JJ-Come on. He’s retired.
TOR wouldn’t trade Rios for Swisher anyway.
Rios’ contract isin’t that terrible. Teams who need punch like the Giants or Mets could use him.
Is Mussina really coming to OTD? That’s a surprise, if you ask me. I would have expected him to wait a year. That’s great if it’s true!
Melky and Mary Carey didn’t last long. She was on Howard Stern this week and talked about it a bit. She just married some guy she met 7 weeks ago. She said Melky was nice, but it was hard for them to communicate because he doesn’t speak english that well. Melky’s agent called her last week when the Yanks were out there, but she was married by then.
Moose was a very good Yankee. I hope he makes the HOF and I hope he chooses to be a Yankee over an Oriole.
We would be top 5 if not for SWISHer LOL
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Alex Rios strikes out a high rate while not walking at a high rate. Not only would we be out of the top 5 of walks, but we’d be out of the top 5 in strike outs still.
TOR wouldn’t trade Rios for Swisher anyway.
Rios’ contract isin’t that terrible. Teams who need punch like the Giants or Mets could use him.
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Rios contract is terrible. I’d much rather have him at 6 mil per season by unloading the remainder of Swish’s deal.
RBI Man
July 17th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Gardner is hitting .244 with a .340 OBP in 41 ABs against lefties
That’s not terrible.
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That’s not terrible, but it’s an awfully small sample size – though an improvement over his “career” avg in MLB (I think it’s .200).
His cipher-like hitting vs. lefties is the reason he is not in the lineup against them. He got a start – and a pretty nice hit – against Liriano recently, but it’s been a pretty steady diet of Cabrera vs. lefties since and around that.
Melky is also really starting to show he can hit from both sides of the plate – thus his routine presence in lineup vs. LHP.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Cashman acquires someone like Livan.
I don’t think he is going to get Washburn, Bannister, Davis etc.
“Melky and Mary Carey didn’t last long. She was on Howard Stern this week and talked about it a bit. She just married some guy she met 7 weeks ago.”
LMAO. How typical.
The team BA is .276. Swisher is .237.
If the Yanks could get Rios for Swisher, Cashman would have done it by now.
There is almost no shot Swisher is the starting RF next year. Unless we acquire some high priced FA like Holliday and need to fill the RF spot cheaply, but I doubt we sign anyone big this winter.
I like having both in the lineup, but as you can see, Gardner is protected from LHP. Melky absorbs those ABs for him. We will have a better handle on Gardner’s actual hitting ability when he is exposed by LHP regularly.
RIght now, Girardi – a bigger Gardner fan than anyone – shields him from LHP.
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Girardi doesn’t do that because he’s afraid Gardner will get “exposed” against lefties.
It’s because Girardi is the matchup king and plays them often to a fault.
This is the same guy who took Coke out of a game a couple of weeks ago (after retiring two lefties) and brought in Aceves to pitch to a right handed hitter.
Never mind the bases were empty and the right hander at the plate was Ronny Cedeno – a guy who came into the game hitting .180 on the season.
Now I don’t care if Cedeno is right handed or not, Coke could have gotten a .180 hitter out with nobody on base. But Girardi instead decided to burn Aceves instead and brought him into the game to pitch to one hitter.
That’s why the “oh, Girardi is just out to protect Gardner against lefties” argument is a bunch of nonsense. Melky plays against lefties because he has the ability to bat right handed. Girardi sticks to his book a little more often than he should.
It’s the same reason why chumps like Wilson Betemit started games against lefties last season. He could bat right-handed but he was undoubtedly worse from that side than he was from the left side.
But that’s what Girardi does.
If the Yanks could get Rios for Swisher, Cashman would have done it by now.
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The savings is 43 mil. They obviously want to cut payroll. Why else is Halladay on the market?
Girardi basically admitted that Hinske will take away a lot of playing time from Swisher with his
“(Hinske) is probably going to be playing more than we thought” comment last week.
Melky was rushed onto the scene and is still learning and IMO will add strength and his power will go up.
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Yes, Melky never enjoyed the time you typically spend in the minors developing as a hitter.
And there is a lot more to mine there than people suppose.
It’s even more of a challenge as a switchy to try learning up here on the job. He has improved as a hitter and I believe that will continue. What he needs to make the most gains in is his OBP.
Joba will never be the successor to Mo as the Yankee closer. He doesn’t have the cool demeanor like Mo. More like the showmanship of Poopelbum or K-Rod.
Bret the Hitman
July 17th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
The team BA is .276. Swisher is .237.
Yeah but Swish does everything backwards so he is really hitting .732.
Rick-KRod and Papelbum both have WS rings.
I’d take it.
Current weather update. Wind blowing in from right field at 8 MPH.
http://www.weather.com/outlook.....038;epc=be
Swish has a cool haircut… his strikeouts don’t count.
” agree in 2007 when Joba first came up he was lights out. Last year both as a starter and reliever he was dominant. This last month or so is the first time in his big league career that he is struggling it was bound to happen. Look at Verlander last year he was 11-17 with a 4.84 era. He bounced back and his pitching great this year. If Verlander was a yankee people would of wanted to trade him after last year.”
You can’t compare the two. Verlander has not experienced a significant drop in his velocity.. in fact, it’s been steadily improving like it should be. Also the guy went deep into games 2/3′s of his starts and he threw over 200 innings.
We’re not getting any of that from Joba. He’s worse than that. He’s gone less than 6 more than half of his starts this season and he’s maybe going to hit 150 innings… IF they keep him in there..
Girardi’s lineup vs. Oliver Perez last year
Damon
Jeter
Rodriguez
Posada
Betemit
Cabrera
Molina
Christian
Rasner (NL park)
Swisher’s OBP is 360.
Rios’s OBP is 316.
Yeah but Swish does everything backwards so he is really hitting .732.
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bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes
July 17th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I totally agree!!
Swish has a cool haircut… his strikeouts don’t count.
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Precisely.
“Wind blowing in from right field at 8 MPH.”
So any HR’s hit out there are not a result of the mystical wind tunnel?
Bret-Rios is having an awful season compared to Swishy.
I’m not making this case based on a cool hircut. I’m making it based on Swishy’s superior stats.
If the game gets delayed once it starts and doesn’t get delayed for more than an hour, Girardi will ask Burnett if he feels loose and OK to go back in. If there are no problems, he will. If AJ tightens up, then he will go to Aceves.
Girardi doesn’t do that because he’s afraid Gardner will get “exposed” against lefties.
It’s because Girardi is the matchup king and plays them often to a fault.
This is the same guy who took Coke out of a game a couple of weeks ago (after retiring two lefties) and brought in Aceves to pitch to a right handed hitter.
Never mind the bases were empty and the right hander at the plate was Ronny Cedeno – a guy who came into the game hitting .180 on the season.
Now I don’t care if Cedeno is right handed or not, Coke could have gotten a .180 hitter out with nobody on base. But Girardi instead decided to burn Aceves instead and brought him into the game to pitch to one hitter.
That’s why the “oh, Girardi is just out to protect Gardner against lefties” argument is a bunch of nonsense. Melky plays against lefties because he has the ability to bat right handed. Girardi sticks to his book a little more often than he should.
It’s the same reason why chumps like Wilson Betemit started games against lefties last season. He could bat right-handed but he was undoubtedly worse from that side than he was from the left side.
But that’s what Girardi does.
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Girardi’s first priority isn’t to “protect” Gardner – it’s not to have a black hole in the lineup.
I agree he is too book oriented, but the over management of the bullpen has been costly (see Opening Day, see hooking Melancon for Bruney in LA) – playing Cabrera vs LHP has been productive for the Yankees.
By “protect” I mean he doesn’t want his young pupil, Gardner, to be exposed. He will mete out his ABs vs LHP. Meanwhile, the ABs vs. LHP for Cabrera continue to develop him as a switch hitter.
E-gawa: I’m not going to take half a season of a pitcher’s career and use it as proof that that pitcher can never be good as a starter. That’s crazy talk.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 17th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
“Wind blowing in from right field at 8 MPH.”
So any HR’s hit out there are not a result of the mystical wind tunnel?
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Yeah, but don’t tell anyone in the media. That would make one more day that they’d need to find something real to write about.
hircut is haircut.
RayVT July 17th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
In all fairness, Melky played hurt for some of those games if you remember. I personally think Melky has a much higher upside than Gardner. Gardner age 25 (26 next month) has no arm so he is limited to CF or maybe some LF. He is still thriving some on teams not knowing him as well whereas Melky is still trying to overcome the book on him and IMO doing ok. Wells is better than both of them now. (Not considering cost ok!) Melky age 24 (25 next month) has a great arm and could easily be a RF too. Melky was rushed onto the scene and is still learning and IMO will add strength and his power will go up.
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Gardner has taken some dings this season, too. Melky isn’t the only one.
Gardner had to sit out a few games when he collided with Mauer on that dash towards home plate during walkoff weekend.
He also collided with the outfield wall a couple of weeks back and had to miss games because he slammed his head.
Melky may have a strong arm, but it doesn’t help much when he’s not throwing the ball to the right base. We’ve seen him foolishly try to throw out runners on several occasions that he had no chance to get and the trailing runner at first moved up a base.
BTW, the age argument is irrelevant. Melky played in his first major league game about six weeks after Gardner was drafted.
What is relevant though is experience. Melky is playing in his fourth big league season and Gardner has played not quite 3/4 of a season counting 2008.
Yet Melky with his so-called tremendous upside still cannot take a stranglehold of that CF job over a rookie who is supposedly less talented.
Oh my goodness gracious, it hit 110 in Apple Valley according to a non-scientific bank time/temp reading. I will post a picture at a later date.
110 is pretty warm.
Now I’m in a southern-style roadhouse bbq place. It seems pretty authentic, but the “follow us on Twitter” sign out front is disconcerting.
Enjoy the game.
I really think the Mitre move is a bad one. Make Mitre the longman in the pen and have Aceves start. Aceves will be a better starter than Mitre.
Joba is the Nick Swisher version of pitchers.
But they are exact opposites. Swisher is a fun loving dude. He isin’t arrogant or stubborn.
Tomko has better career numbers than Mitre does.
Gardner has more range than Melky does in center. So he does have the weaker arm but he gets to and catches more balls than Melky will in center. I hope Melky does hit more and improves his OBP and devolops more power like people on here are saying he will. He could be a great rightfielder especially because of his great arm. Your best outfield defense is when Gardner and Melky are both playing.
GREAT NEWS FOR EVERYBODY!
HE SCORES!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKSpEfPOTo
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 17th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I really think the Mitre move is a bad one. Make Mitre the longman in the pen and have Aceves start. Aceves will be a better starter than Mitre.
no
Nick-What proof do you have of Joba’s “arrogance” or “stubborness” other than what the media says?
Weather Man-Hasn’t Mitre pitched far fewer innings?
carl-Elaborate. Writing no tells me nothing.
Wait,
I cling to the media’s every word and accept is as the truth, with no room for interpretation.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 17th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I really think the Mitre move is a bad one. Make Mitre the longman in the pen and have Aceves start. Aceves will be a better starter than Mitre.
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You don’t need a 5th starter all the time.
You might need Aceves three or four times a week in relief.
Nick July 17th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Wait,
I cling to the media’s every word and accept is as the truth, with no room for interpretation.
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I knew it.
vb03-It’s about innings.
I want the better pitcher to pitch more innings. Ace is the better pitcher.
Nick-All right. Just wanted to get your take on the issue.
Gardner has taken some dings this season, too. Melky isn’t the only one.
Gardner had to sit out a few games when he collided with Mauer on that dash towards home plate during walkoff weekend.
He also collided with the outfield wall a couple of weeks back and had to miss games because he slammed his head.
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What has this to do with trying to understand the connection between Cabrera’s injury to his left shoulder and his resultant lack of ability to drive the baseball left-handed and it’s probable link to his June numbers?
Gotta split. Go Yanks.
When are they going to put a freakin dome on this stadium?
I’m sick of all the rain delays
How good of an indicator is UZR/150 for evaluating defense?
Gardner’s in CF is 20.1.
I never said he could never be a good starter. I’m only talking about this season and how he’s pitching now.
Tom in NJ.
Hopefully CB is around. He is the best at answering that type of question.
Happy Friday.
-dennis
Speaking of Swish. Does his pop fly/lolly pop throws back to the infield get a pass because of his haircut as well?
What has this to do with trying to understand the connection between Cabrera’s injury to his left shoulder and his resultant lack of ability to drive the baseball left-handed and it’s probable link to his June numbers?
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I call them excuses. Everyone has to play with injuries.
Melky is no exception.
You can’t compare the two. Verlander has not experienced a significant drop in his velocity.. in fact, it’s been steadily improving like it should be. Also the guy went deep into games 2/3’s of his starts and he threw over 200 innings.
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Verlander’s velocity dropped 2 mph last year and now its back
Sox making news with Bucholz starting tonight and said goodbye to Lugo..
Giuseppe Franco
Good Points Giuseppe Franco about Gardner!!
who was sent down to make room for the new guy??? i can’t find that info anywhere
Mike Lupica has an article about Brian Cashman. It was definitely another negative shot at Cash. I find it funny how this is Cash first year under his new contract that he has complete autonomy and he has stated he wants to make the farm a big priority. Well compared to Omar he has done just that. And here you have Lupica ripping the man once again. I’ve never seen Lupica ever rip Omar. There were 6 articles covering Omar’s reign of terribleness but not one by Lupica. Maybe Lupica should stick to politics. Maybe with the Yankees it is all about Politics. It is apparent that Lupica leans towards the left with his political views which is fine. The fact that he cares so much about how much the Yankees and there owner who happens to be a republican spends is another story. Baseball is capitalism. One day there will be a salary cap fitting the socialist brand of baseball that Lupica desires. But until than he should be a bit more partial and rip the other GM who has completely dropped the ball and has shown nothing to deserve not being fired after this season. Perhaps he won’t to that because that ownership and GM lean towards the left as well. Maybe he is not fair and balanced!
Giuseppe Franco
I don’t agree about them being excuses! When you are comparing talent between two players and one has a dislocated shoulder but plays for the good of the team and his shoulder will get well you shouldn’t lower his ability on the injury interval. Like last 2 years Jeter took a hit on his defense, but now he’s improved! Well actually he’s always been this good but now he isn’t injured.
Gardner is fast and speed covers a lot of ills. But he takes imaginative routes to fly balls and his arm is decidedly weak. You can coach hitting a cutoff, but you can’t coach a weak arm. Now don’t get me wrong, I like Gardner but I like Melky more. Right now the best team D is with both of them playing.
“Verlander’s velocity dropped 2 mph last year and now its back”
Not according to fangraphs..
Verlander’s Fastball:
2007: 94.1
2008: 93.7
3009: 95.4
.4 is not much of a drop considering his 2 seam fb jumped up 6mph that year.
Nice job by The New York Times…
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/.....owcase-24/
“Verlander’s velocity dropped 2 mph last year and now its back”
Not according to fangraphs..
Verlander’s Fastball:
2007: 94.1
2008: 93.7
3009: 95.4
.4 is not much of a drop considering his 2 seam fb jumped up 6mph that year.
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He went 95 95 94 93 95
I’d say that patch of 94 then 93 is interesting, especially when coinciding with one of his worst seasons in which there were legitimate concerns about his health
BillyBall
July 17th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Ah, Salary Caps are more Capitalism which is for big corporations and not the employee which is more in line with the R’s.
Lupica is trying to find a base. He appeals to the anti-Yankees (Mets) and he riles enough Yankees that they rip him. In his line of work both cases are good business.
Jim Kaat is calling the Sox game for NESN…this will not please the powers that be at YES Network
Lets go Yankees!
RayVT July 17th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I don’t agree about them being excuses! When you are comparing talent between two players and one has a dislocated shoulder but plays for the good of the team and his shoulder will get well you shouldn’t lower his ability on the injury interval. Like last 2 years Jeter took a hit on his defense, but now he’s improved! Well actually he’s always been this good but now he isn’t injured.
Gardner is fast and speed covers a lot of ills. But he takes imaginative routes to fly balls and his arm is decidedly weak. You can coach hitting a cutoff, but you can’t coach a weak arm. Now don’t get me wrong, I like Gardner but I like Melky more. Right now the best team D is with both of them playing.
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Melky didn’t have a dislocated shoulder. It was a bruised shoulder. He didn’t even spend time on the DL.
Johnny Damon is playing with a bruised shoulder too. It’s given him fits all season and he’s still running into walls. Despite all that, he’s having one of his best offensive seasons.
Secondly, Gardner is a better center fielder than Melky. He covers much more ground out there.
He’s getting better with his routes and he’ll continue to improve. He just deserves to be out there more than Melky. Melky is not exactly a good outfielder himself. He just happens to be the second best outfielder on the team right now because the pickins are slim.
As I said, Melky certainly has the better arm but he’s also trigger happy like Dirty Harry and makes a lot of foolish throws – which ends up hurting the team more than helping it.
Jim Kaat asked to come back to broadcast games for YES and they told him no.
So Kaat is free to do whatever he wants.
Let’s go Yankees!
“Jim Kaat asked to come back to broadcast games for YES and they told him no.”
I wonder why. I would have thought that they had room for him with Leiter doing less work.
Remember, if we lose this game, the sun will come up tomorrow.
who was sent down to make room for the new LHP today???
im really pumped about actually watching a yankee game….yankee classics and AAA AS games are cool…but nothing compares to real live new york yankee baseball…7 years in a row with a win to start the second half?
Lets start a winning streak and get #1 and #8(years in-a-row)!
Just saw a picture of Bernie. I miss Bernie. It would be nice to have him around in some sort of capacity. Enjoy the game.
Girardi can say that he isn’t concerned about the back of the rotation, but I don’t think anyone can hear that and not snicker.
Leche will tear it up in the second half. Gardner is close in stats but the sample size is smaller and I have a hunch the scouting reports are catching up to him. I hope both do well, but feel more confident in Melky. I think Girardi agrees that Melky is the guy who should be out there in CF.
Let’s go, Yankees.
Matt July 17th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Remember, if we lose this game, the sun will come up tomorrow.
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But the world will remain eternally dark if they make him a reliever again. That’s my guess.
and we’re off
Double for Granderson
not the best way to start the 2nd half lol
Come on AJ, lets get two k’s.
I just knew that was going into center…GJ Jeter
1-0 Detroit
Tigers 1-0 on the groundout. Nice play Jeter
Nice play by Jeter.
2-0 Sox already. Pukelis HR
i like how YES is showing 96 mph curve balls…thats talent
Burnett keeps falling behind in the count. Another hard hit ball.
Throw a strike, AJ.
lets not forget AJ is on what 8,9? days rest
throwing too hard
Yankee baseball’s back…
Burnett’s on the hill tonight…
Can he stop the rain?
Sox winning.. Burnett struggling!
Come on AJ.
This is a terrible start from AJ. He’s throwing ball one every batter, getting behind, and having to put something very hittable over the plate just to avoid a walk. He better turn it around quick, or our 8 year streak of winning the game after break is DOA. We can’t afford to give up batters like this, especially given the fact that we’re facing a guy we’ve never seen before, and everyone know what happens when we face guys we’ve never seen before. This is trouble.
Maybe we can sign Inge as a catcher in the offseason. His hitting suffered in 2008 when he was behind the plate but that was just coincidence. He tweaked his hitting approach and now holds his hands in a way where he is more ready to swing at the right time.
Donnie – Will Meet Miguel Cabrera Under the O’Neill Banner
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Cano!!
Robi!
CANO
I’m not surprised AJ was wild in the first – he’s amped up and has not pitched in 8 days. It’s only 1 run…….
Cano saved a run.
Posada blows. Burnett’s hitting the glove right where Posada puts it. Good thing Cano made that play.
“Donnie – Will Meet Miguel Cabrera Under the O’Neill Banner
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!”
Waaa? Um…are…you not aware of my bit where I pick a player from every roster to meet under the O’Neill banner? I picked him because he’s their best player, and the one most likely to hurt us. This is now a “waaaaa” moment.
This guy is a young pitcher who we’ve never faced before. That’s just great.
Please hit this bum
Pound him.
Donnie, I seriously hope you’re kidding. The guy hasn’t pitched in over a week first of all. Second of all, he’s been brilliant lately. AJ can not be expected to be perfect……..again, 8 days rest. As Al Leiter said, soft tossers like long rest, but power pitchers get too amped …..
21 pitches for AJ
Donnie
I was referring to you talking about AJ.
Im thinking A Rod is going to hit one early
See- I told you Johnny would be awesome in post-ASG!!!
“Donnie, I seriously hope you’re kidding. The guy hasn’t pitched in over a week first of all. Second of all, he’s been brilliant lately. AJ can not be expected to be perfect…again, 8 days rest. As Al Leiter said, soft tossers like long rest, but power pitchers get too amped…”
Oh, I’m not saying, “AJ SUCKS TRADE HIM FOR HALLADAY” or anything. I know he hasn’t pitched in 8 days, and that’s likely the reason for his lack of control. That said, if he’s going to throw ball one to EVERY batter, no matter what the reason, it significantly lessens our chances of winning, especially when we don’t have luck against guys we’ve never seen. I’m just talking about THIS game, not AJ’s career as a Yankee on the whole. He’s been our best pitcher over the past month and a half. He’s on my fantasy team, and one of my favorite guys on this team. I’m just pointing out that he’s serving up rockets, and that needs to straighten out if we’re going to win THIS game. That’s it.
the rs are not that much better to run away with anything.
I’m surprised the complainers haven’t whined that the Yankees haven’t had a win all week…
the red sox stink.
i hate them
wait- I need to tweak that.
I told you MPB Johnny Damon would be awesome post-ASB
Erica, your pretend boyfriend did a great job taking that walk.
Tex!
Where is Michael Kay?
The broadcast is incredibly bland without him.
were gonna pound em right here
“Jim Kaat asked to come back to broadcast games for YES and they told him no.”
I wonder why. I would have thought that they had room for him with Leiter doing less work.
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They said there just wasn’t enough room for him, I assume it has to do something with the number of guys and also salary. I do wish Leiter was doing more games this year though. But then again, I am biased.
Wow, that G moment thing is obnoxious. The sentiment is nice, the flashing Gatorade.. obnoxious
Now that was a swing
Thank you Laura-
I am just trying to spew some positivity into this blog. LOL
Eights July 17th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Where is Michael Kay?
The broadcast is incredibly bland without him.
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Vacation. He should be back next week
Doesn’t matter what the outcome of this AB is, Alex has done a great job of being patient and working French. That’s a great sign.
That’s it. Make this kid work. Make em sweat.
“Vacation. He should be back next week”
Vacation? He just had 4 days off. How much va-ca does he need?
2 outs on the pop fly to CF
“Vacation. He should be back next week”- S.A.–Serenity Now
Ah, thank you.
typically clutch AB from Arod, getting jammed on a nothing fastball.
Great at bat by Alex regardless of the result.
UGH!!
Matsui has the best intro in baseball
Matsui rested. Matsui hot. Lezgo Godzilla
Matsui looked terrible on that one
“typically clutch AB from Arod, getting jammed on a nothing fastball.”
typically useless comment
GODZILLA!
BASEHIT!!!!
1-1
Sui!!!
damon would of been out easy
Hideki!!!!
Wooo! Way to go Matsui!
So nice to have some game action to distract some of you from that guy up in Toronto
Greg D
July 17th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Matsui looked terrible on that one
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Really terrible. Thank goodness he looked so much better on the next one
Tie game
Props to Matsui. I thought he was dead after the first 2 pitches against the left hander.
I hope Damon didn’t hurt himself.
Man, French’s approach there was odd. He threw everything outside. I thought sure that last pitch would be pounded inside. Whatever, I’ll take it.
“spew some positivity”
That doesn’t even make sense. lol.
RalphieD (OPPC) DO NOT LOOK AT YES RADAR GUN..IT IS WRONG
July 17th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
damon would of been out easy
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No. The sheer terror of MPB Johnny Damon approaching, made the ball fly away fromt he catcher
Bad throw on the Matsui hit has Matsui at 2b and Tex at 3rd.
Jorge, give us 2
Damon might be a fast base runner, but he sure is a stupid one when it comes to sliding
Ouch Johnny.
Sean Serritella
July 17th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
“spew some positivity”
That doesn’t even make sense. lol.
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Sure it does. Think harder
ugh… there’s a media error occurred on mlb.tv and I can’t watch the game now… been trying for the past ten minutes
anybody knows what that’s about?
Patrick the Prospect Hugger-
Scroll up!!!! Did you see the award I gave you at 3:46?
AJ needs to settle in now
Funny how every batter this inning was been down 0-2 and we still managed to get 3 guys on base and score a run.
Man, a clutch hit there would have been nice. I guess we’ll just have to settle for one run.
32 pitches for French
I say it every game…Damon is not graceful. He is just so clunky when he runs, tries to catch a ball, or slides/falls into home.
32 pitches for French
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mama said knock you out.
the yanks should be able to get to frenchie more…..aj just needs to pitch his game
Someone on the board said Johnny looks like he walks on hot coals lol
That kid threw 32 pitches that inning. He’s not long for this game.
Damon was lucky twice.
1 – that he survived injury on the awkward slide.
2 – that the throw didn’t hit him in the head when the catcher missed it.
Matsui is so damn clutch
still can’t throw a first pitch strike
*Sure it does. Think harder*
I’m not trying to figure it out. I’m just laughing at you because I think you are really dumb.
Well it would have been nice for Jorge to get a single there but at least French is at 32 pitches.
Still falling behind. Lets go A.J.
I know Burnett has been kind of wild so far but the ump isn’t giving him the pitches on the corner that French got.
Okay, AJ – you wanna start throwing strikes?
lol @ Burnett tonight so far
A.J. looks great tonight.
Leadoff walk.
come on aj…dont walk a .250 hitter on 4 pitches to start of an inning
…dp?
“Scroll up!!!! Did you see the award I gave you at 3:46?”
No, you scroll up! I already saw it and replied at 5:14. I’m surprised anyone noticed that I got it right.
Sean Serritella
July 17th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
*Sure it does. Think harder*
I’m not trying to figure it out. I’m just laughing at you because I think you are really dumb.
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Wow. Then we are even cause I think you are many things that won’t pass through the filters. Not to mention, I wouldn’t type anyway because I am a lady
Burnett can’t throw his fastball for strikes and I don’t think he has his curveball either.
Guys, 3/4 of those pitches were right on the corner. This umpire has been awful tonight, and the 2nd pitch was right down the middle at the knees.
If the catcher doesn’t catch it at the target, the WRITTEN RULE says that it’s a strike still if it cross home plate above the knees. The unwritten rules are UNWRITTEN for a reason.
THEY ARE NOT RULES.
Posada can’t throw.
*Not to mention, I wouldn’t type anyway because I am a lady*
Are you sure?
I see A.J is off his game
Every Tigers hitter except for Cabrera (who swung at the first pitch) has gotten a 1-0 count to start.
AJ’s over-throwing. He’s trying to throw it through a brick wall, which was his problem when he first got to Toronto. It’s clearly having a very bad effect on his command.
And now…well…that. Lord. All on a walk on 4 pitches to a .250 BA. REALLY bad start from AJ.
I miss those days when the Yankees didn’t make any errors.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 17th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
“Scroll up!!!! Did you see the award I gave you at 3:46?”
No, you scroll up! I already saw it and replied at 5:14. I’m surprised anyone noticed that I got it right.
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I missed it (I was in transit from work at that point).
I am an extremely observant person. I noticed your initial lineup post because I thought it was a great guess and I was so excited that you were right.
I am sorry I cannot award you a pony, but I can back you up the next time you are fighting with Patrick and say you, in fact, do have a brain
This game will be up to the offense i think
looks the bullpen might get some action early this evening..
Tex has saved 20 errors this season.
I’m not sure how this team went 18 games without an error.. They have been brutal lately and this could become costly again.
Ok you can’t let Adam Everett beat you here. Get this guy
We have Ace today so its all good
aj cant blame anybody but himself this inning…walk then error…
Come on, AJ. You’re almost out of this jam.
2 big outs by AJ
Sean Serritella
July 17th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
*Not to mention, I wouldn’t type anyway because I am a lady*
Are you sure?
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I am quite sure. Although something tells me you probably don’t get close enough to girl parts to be able to identify them.
When I said I was trying to spew positivity, that is my idea of a joke. I have a decent sense of humor. You obviously have none.
And for your information, I am a very successful CPA and highly intelligent.
Please do not bother responding to me. You no longer exist
I am quite sure. Although something tells me you probably don’t get close enough to girl parts to be able to identify them.
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uh-oh
Lucky that hit Granderson or the runner would have scored on a WP.
That stolen base WAS NOT off of Jorge. It was off of AJ.
AJ’s too strong
Tex has saved 20 errors this season.
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absolutely, Giambi killed us last year
I’m going to take an unAmerican stance and say I hate the All=Star break. It’s too long and it’s a meaningless exhibition game that ends up wreaking havoc on everybody’s pitching staff.
They should do something else or eliminate it altogether. The NFL does it right – after the season. In Hawaii.
I like the ASB. This is a 160 game season with much travel all over the country and few breaks in between. I think it’s good for all teams and fans to step back and just enjoy the fun of the game.
Doreen-
The problem is that the season doesn’t end until the very end of October (or maybe even November). Then its too cold!
But I agree. The ASB is a killer.
Pena would have had that
2-1 Tigers
Nice effort, Derek. That’s just the kind of hitter that Palanco is. Really needed to get that guy.
yeah thats what happens when you walk a .250 hitter grrrr
The mistake was pegging Granderson on an 0-1. I’ve seen Polanco get countless hits like that on pitches out of the zone. Nothing you can do about that.
I’m going to take an unAmerican stance and say I hate the All=Star break. It’s too long and it’s a meaningless exhibition game that ends up wreaking havoc on everybody’s pitching staff.
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I hate it too!
come on AJ
ya and also the leadoff walk
even with the guy on 3rd with 0 outs he had a chance to get out of it clean…worst part is his pitch count
Time to re-pound this deer in headlights.
This is disappointing to see AJ struggle.. I don’t care he had 8 days off.. Usually the rust comes off after an inning or so.
Erica -
That’s why I added – IN HAWAII – it’s never cold in Hawaii. Or California. Or Mexico. Or the Dominican. Or Aruba.
I don’t care how late the season ends. The three days off was bad enough, but now there are teams with 4 days off and that’s just unacceptable. Especially when you figure in days off they’re not going to get going forward because of rainout make-up games.
Its obvious the 9 days between starts is hurting him.
And yes screw the all-star break, it’s just for the little kids anyhow……..
Dumb pitch selection. 1-2 on a slap hitter who hasn’t caught up to your fastball all night, and you throw him a breaking ball? Are they stupid?
Up the ladder. Stop speeding up these guys’ bats if they have shown no ability to touch the heat. Runner on 3rd, no outs, and you get the first 2 outs and get to 2 strikes on the hitter. You can’t allow a base hit in that spot with 2 strikes, especially not on a hanging breaking ball.
Let’s not blame the ASG for AJ’s pitching woes. How long as this guy been pitching in the majors? He knows what the ASB is; he knows when it’s coming and he should know what adjustments he needs to make to account for it. No more excuses for this guy. The game is still early. He’s got time to get his act together.
Matt, I think Posada’s game calling is suspect.
AJ started to look better in the second part of last inning, let’s hope he has found it
I still feel good about this game. As long as we keep it close when we get to the Tigers pen, we can score off their relievers. And French doesn’t look dominating at all.
I think I’m in a manic episode. It doesn’t feel good when that happens you know.
I have to get off. Can’t do this.
I want to but I don’t know what I’m doing.
If you’re there, I hope to see you on twitter so you can tell me good things again.
Doreen-
It would have to be in California. I don’t think the ASG would get much attention in Hawaii. There is no team there and they care more about waves than baseball.
California has potential, but half the fun of the ASG is that it changes cities and gives each city a chance to throw a party (or some sort of parade).
The other concern with doing it after the season is that by then the players are usually banged up and tired. Plus, 75% of the teams have been sitting idle for a month and the players will be ice cold.
Matt, it’s easy to say that, but when Polanco gets jammed and bloops a single for an RBI on a high fastball….. you would yell for curve. The mistake was the 4 pitch leadoff walk, and the 0-1 pegging of Granderson. That’s what cost him a run. Mistakes like leadoff walks almost always come back to haunt you and last inning was no exception
there there Sean
the Yanks are going to kill this guy the second time around
Can’t believe Moose is showing up to OTD. Man he is going to school all the hitters!
French settles down where AJ did not
1-2-3 for the bum
…well that was an easy inning. Not nearly enough time there for AJ to rest up. Now hope he gets his act together for the 3rd inning!
“French settles down where AJ did not”
should we trade joba/ajax/montero/romine for him?
Can’t believe Moose is showing up to OTD. Man he is going to school all the hitters!
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huh?
“Matt, it’s easy to say that, but when Polanco gets jammed and bloops a single for an RBI on a high fastball….. you would yell for curve. The mistake was the 4 pitch leadoff walk, and the 0-1 pegging of Granderson. That’s what cost him a run. Mistakes like leadoff walks almost always come back to haunt you and last inning was no exception”
Correct. The other thing is, I think the fastball is about ALL AJ has going for him right now. He tries to throw his breaking stuff, and it either catches too much of the plate, or it floats out of the zone. The last thing he needs is to throw fastball after fastball, until they get it timed and hammer him.
And man, that was a hapless half-inning. Really wanted to get that run back.
No, the mistake was not the leadoff walk. He threw 3 pitches right over the plate that were called balls, what is Burnett supposed to do?
If anything, the mistake was the wild pickoff throw, but yet, he still was in a spot to get out of that inning and had stranded the runner at 3rd.
And no, I would not have called for the breaking ball, and I certainly wouldn’t be a hypocrite and say that if he got a hit on the fastball. The right pitch is to go up the ladder with a 1-2 count, especially when the guy just got a fastball RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE and barely got a piece of it.
You have to set up that breaking ball by changing his eye level first and making him worry about fastballs that he knows he can’t hit. And if you do throw a breaking ball on 1-2, you have to bury it in the dirt. Burnett did neither, and that’s why he gave up a hit.
44 pitches for French
“French settles down where AJ did not”
should we trade joba/ajax/montero/romine for him?
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that’s a little drastic
I bet Rivera wins the text poll in a landslide. I can’t imagine Yankee fans being impartial to non-Yankee players
Can’t believe Moose is showing up to OTD. Man he is going to school all the hitters!
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The rotation could use Moose right now!
“Matt, I think Posada’s game calling is suspect.”
AJ Burnett throws two pitches.
What game is there to call? It’s just astonishing the level of disconnect with reality.
AJ’s thrown his fastball for strikes 48% of the time so far this game.
He builds his curveball off of his fastball.
So basically this game he’s been a pitcher with command of 0 pitches.
the Yanks ridiculously rotten starting pitching is right on track to lose another one.
meanwhile, Boston’s pitching is having zero trouble.
Boston is just too good.
“that’s a little drastic”
alright alright…just joba and montero then
the UMP just gave AJ a pitch he has not been giving him
Bostonisjusttoogood
July 17th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
the Yanks ridiculously rotten starting pitching is right on track to lose another one.
meanwhile, Boston’s pitching is having zero trouble.
Boston is just too good
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Our first post-ASB Def Con 5 Troll Alert!!!!
Matt, good points
+1
Look how easily MPB Johnny Damon caught that
Post-ASB Johnny Damon=Awesome
“that’s a little drastic”
alright alright…just joba and montero then
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How about Angel Berrora
good come back inning for aj!
“Post-ASB Johnny Damon=Awesome”
Isn’t it a little early for that judgment? Maybe we should give him a few more games; just to be sure.
1-2-3 for Burnett
K
See what happens when you go up the ladder when a guy can’t catch up to your fastball?
Alright, AJ, much better inning. Perhaps he’s found his rhythm. Now we have to score a couple and pick him up for the first two innings.
if theres anyone who benefited from this ASB it’s Damon and Arod, but it kills the pitchers mechanics!
52 pitches for AJ
Look how easily MPB Johnny Damon caught that
Post-ASB Johnny Damon=Awesome
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I keep praying they don’t hit to him…….he scares me
Matt July 17th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
See what happens when you go up the ladder when a guy can’t catch up to your fastball?
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Bingo.
Laura – I’m ready for the second half. Are the Yankees??
July 17th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
“Post-ASB Johnny Damon=Awesome”
Isn’t it a little early for that judgment? Maybe we should give him a few more games; just to be sure.
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No, Laura. I have to keep saying it so it becomes true. LOL
It’s the power of positive thinking
Erica – always OPPC
Relax Erica Sean is not worth it! You don’t need to defend yourself to anyone.
“29? is that what you tell the perky interns? pete you look about as 29 years old as shaq looks white”
Not Pete tonight. It’s Kevin Devaney manning the blog this evening.
The Red Sox just got the side struck out for the second inning in a row, but lead 2 – 0, the fallacy of strike outs = bad.
Ok good inning by AJ, let’s take the lead this inning
Thanks RayVT-
I think the battle is over now though
Leadoff walk for the captain.
Home run for Tex or A-Rod this inning, I feel it coming
I’m not blaming the ASG for AJ’s pitching woes. I simply think 4 games off in the middle of the season for any team is not a good thing. Especially for pitching staffs which rely on a regular routine. The rest is probably good for position players, I’ll admit. But 8 days off for any pitcher, unless they’re hurt is not good.
AJ wasn’t real sharp his last start.
And it’s no surprise he’s not sharp today, with too much rest.
I’m sure the players all like the break – they get to be with their families in the middle of a grueling season. But 3 days should be the absolute limit if there has to be a break. 4 days is ridiculous.
No 4 days break, I guess.
Erica -
I know all the reasons, I do. I don’t know that the All-Star Game is as necessary as it has been in the past, now that there is interleague play.
Give the guys a 2-day break, no ASG.
SJ44 July 17th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
We might have to face the likelihood that Boston is, indeed, the better team this season.
The Yankee starters always seem to give up that big two-out, run scoring hit that turns ballgames.
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He’s back!
That sucked
We know you aren’t SJ, give it up already!
i thought tex had that
Damn Tex just missed that one.
Fake SJ44?
We are letting this guy off the hook… this guy is not very impressive…..
56 pitches for French
Doreen-
I miss baseball as much as everyone else during the ASB (do you I need to remind everyone of my countdowns over the last two days?), but I also enjoy the ASG.
For fans in cities like Pittsburgh and Washington where they have absolutely no playoff hopes for their team, having an exhibition during the season where they can root for a player from their team and be on a more level playing field is something to look forward to.
We fotget how lucky we are as Yankee fans to always have a dream of postseason baseball.
“Fake SJ44?”
I’d say there’s a good chance, yeah.
“the fallacy of strike outs = bad.”
Strike outs are worth -0.29 runs.
They are bad. They’re really bad. Outside of a double play they are the worst at bat event possible.
That other players during the inning made up for players striking outs is besides the point.
Just as its ridiculous that people say that any player who strikes out is horrible it’s gotten to the point now where the impact of striking out is now also underrated on the other extreme. An entirely new fallacy has been born.
A strikeout is worth -.29 runs. That’s what it is.
The idea is that if he can’t touch your fastball, he will get conscious of that and if he sees a fastball, he will be more willing to chase because he knows he can’t wait as long to judge it.
That doesn’t necessarily apply to the curveball as much since he’s already late on the fastball. You’re just helping him out since he’s already inbetween on the pithces. If he’s late, it’s easier to adjust down than to adjust up, especially if you leave that pitch over the plate.
If he buries the curveball, he could strike him out since he’s inbetween, but you can’t throw that pitch unless you know for sure you will bury it, because he hasn’t touched your fastball all night.
My mother won’t tell me what I want to know. I don’t know why she has to hide every thing all the time. It makes no sense.
AJ needs to keep it close, no more runs
Cy French.. again a nobody mows down the Yankees
SJ, There’s a real nice piece in this week’s ESPN the magazine about the changes in baseball’s front offices….The lead in has none other than Tony Sanchez picture and all….I thought it was a picture of Oscar Dela Hoya…..Good lookin kid…….The title is 30 is the new 40…..CB & Rebecca, you may find this piece of interest…..
Matt July 17th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
The idea is that if he can’t touch your fastball, he will get conscious of that and if he sees a fastball, he will be more willing to chase because he knows he can’t wait as long to judge it.
That doesn’t necessarily apply to the curveball as much since he’s already late on the fastball. You’re just helping him out since he’s already inbetween on the pithces. If he’s late, it’s easier to adjust down than to adjust up, especially if you leave that pitch over the plate.
If he buries the curveball, he could strike him out since he’s inbetween, but you can’t throw that pitch unless you know for sure you will bury it, because he hasn’t touched your fastball all night.
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+1
Where did that miss?
Erica -
I understand what you’re saying. But, truthfully, so Pittsburgh got to root for one guy and the game was in St. Louis.
Except for the city that’s hosting, it’s a non-event.
Anyway, it’s tradition, and it’s not going anywhere.
But they really need to not schedule 4 day breaks for any team.
And ditch the HR Derby.
I have a feeling Toronto is going to be the easiest team to beat in the AL east for the rest of the season.
COME ON AJ. You walk another pathetic singles hitter!
4th inning with a leadoff man on.. this has to stop already!
Attention those who are idiots:
Do not impersonate another person here. One strike and you’re banned. All I need to do is check your ISP address. It takes 10 seconds.
So stop it or go away.
I wish they showed the replay on that pitch it didn’t look like it missed. If they had showed it at least I could know if it was borderline.
Brilliant, let’s pitch out with a guy who hasn’t thrown strikes on the first pitch, instantly putting him down in the count and leaving no doubt in the runner’s mind about when he should steal the base.
The whole point is to keep the runner thinking you might pitch out, not pitching out right away and leaving no doubt since you know they won’t do it again with a guy who is falling behind hitters.
Erica -
Just to be clear, this is not about me missing baseball for 4 days.
It’s going to take Arod a bit to get back in the groove –
he’s still a little groggy from watching all 9 innings of the ASG on TV.
I know for a fact that the doctors told her how much longer I have to live but she keeps telling me things are all rosy and everything is going to be alright. I blame you Erica. This is your fault. I blame all the positive people who think life is rosy but it’s not. I want what every one else has. I want a life. I don’t want to go away.
Matt has a baseball background. I am sure of it.
GJ ALex
Doreen-
I understand what you are saying. I think the ASG is a keeper. The Home Run Derby can go bye-bye though. We agree completely there
Cheese-eating surrender monkey still on the mound for Detroit?
He won’t last 6.
Thank you Pete.
Is there a full moon?
Some strange posts here tonight….
Pat M,
Thanks for the heads up. Will check it out. That’s a major shift in the game.
IIRC I just read something looking at the how the recent age of participants in the all star game was falling drastically compared to what it was in the steroids era.
Teams all over baseball are trying to get younger. Real pressure to find and develop young talent, especially now that revenue sharing lets teams lock up players long term.
Nice turn in the middle by Cano.
DP.
Walter Cronkite has passed away at the age of 92
Matt,
Gotta give you credit. I don’t ALWAYS agree with the way you present things, but you’ve been pretty much spot on tonight. I understand WHY he didn’t throw the fastball in the Palanco AB, but you make a good case for why he should have. I’ll give you points tonight, too.
And you’re right. Pitching out on the first pitch was pretty senseless. I’m not really sure why they did that, either.
Leiter is a moron
Posadagate update……I ran into Brent Mayne today at the gym…I asked him about Jorge Posada and the whole catchers era…..After he finished laughing, he explained that the whole catchers era stat usage can be traced back to arbitration hearings….It was used and still is to a slight degree when a club wants to hit on a catchers worth when going thru the arb process……As for Jorge, he’s widely viewed around the game as a player who is about 2 good years away from being a legit Hall of Famer….His problem was that he was a star on a team with brighter stars….This also took away from him and enabled Pudge to get big ink…….
DT – OPPC member (blood type – Positive)
July 17th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Is there a full moon?
Some strange posts here tonight….
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I think its the humidity. Not a full moon
Let Posada steal 2nd
“A strikeout is worth -.29 runs. That’s what it is.”
what if a hitter had a a 12 pitch at bat and then struck out.
it seems like that could be a valuable strike out.
as an aside , i think the reason a hitter is out when he bunts foul after two strikes is because a good bunter can bunt an indefinite number of balls foul.
Let Posada steal 3rd
Ok here we go…. this guy’s mediocre…. gotta get at least 1 or 2 here
SA -
It’s awful, but I didn’t even know he was still alive.
RIP, Walter Cronkite.
CC no likee Posada
Robbie Cano defies all logic.
Left handed pitcher? “No problem, I’ll hit them better than I hit righties.” AND he hits the first pitch better than he does in any other count.
Is it too early to pinch hit Hinske? Swisher is pretty much useless tonight.
Nick Swisher is not smart.
Swisher always trying to go freaking yard… disgusting… can this guy hit an opposite field single to save his life
“After he finished laughing, he explained that the whole catchers era stat usage can be traced back to arbitration hearings….It was used and still is to a slight degree when a club wants to hit on a catchers worth when going thru the arb process……”
So you’re saying that many of the people who rule on arbitration hearings also post on Lohud?
randy l -
then they need to change the rule, because there are very few good bunters in the game anymore.
“Is it too early to pinch hit Hinske?”
Not a phrase that gets used everyday Donnie
All Hinske does is do everything right. And all he does is sit on the bench, courtesy of Joe Girardi playing his obvious favorite Nick Swisher.
Lefty-lefty, who cares? Swisher hits .220 against LHP! Hinske has hit 2 HR off of lefty pitching in 3 starts with this team already.
What else could explain the fact that swisher could still play in games after making dumb baserunning plays two nights in a row and dropping a routine fly ball?
cant get the big hit yet…
Why do we even get to bat with risp.?
CB, I know you’ll get much from the piece….I knew the dynamics had shifted, however it’s an eye opener as far as clubs are changing their priorites……This Sanchez kid has Hollywood written all over him……Frankly after reading the article, I’m rethinking the Halliday situation…..Definatley still want him, but at what cost….
Can’t smash a guy who pounds the zone and throws in the 80s?
Looks like everyone is going up to the plate trying to hit one out.
nice tough AB by swisher… SIngleton said trying to do to much, DUH..the whole team tries to do to much with RISP.
Hey are they facing steve carlton tonight????
Hinske does everything right all the time…What are you smoking the guy has about 12 AB’s you think that is a small sample size?????????????????????????
the yanks are in slow motion so far tonight..slow motion./….
75 pitches for French
Pat M: Thanks, I am going to have to check it out.
I hate Granderson. I’d like to punch him in the face right now.
doreen-
i can’t comprehend not being able to bunt. it’s so easy to do. i really just think the hitters don’t even try to get good at it. it really is a lost art.
More great Yankee AB’s with RISP.
As Gorilla Monsoon used to say, “you aren’t going to pin him that way”.
Our guy throws mid to high 90s and gets grushed.
Hahahaha. What a joke. Get behind every hitter then groove a fastball down the middle. Thata boy A.J.
Hey Melky, you don’t have to hit a HR on 2-0. Lining a 2-0 fastball right over the plate into left for a run scoring base hit is just as good, and in fact much better than swinging for the fences and popping out to shallow left.
This guy has NOTHING. I don’t know how they can’t hit him. 88-89 mph fastball, not very sharp slider, and an 83-84 mph straight change.
This team always seems to swing for the fences when they get a pitcher with mediocre stuff. How about they just score runs?
*crushed
whatever
beautifully played game by the yanks.. aj walk the leadoff guy 2 or 3 times..
this team is playing with cement on there feet.
yech………
hey let’s try to hit a HR next inning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is why stats stink.
Granderson was 1 for 11 against AJ before tonight.
I benched him on my fantasy team – so of course AJ can’t get him out tonight. Grrrrrrr…. anderson.
How can you blame Burnett for tonight’s score?
We have ONE RUN off a guy who throws mediocre 88 mph fastballs over the plate to every hitter. Considering the ridiculous squeeze job they pulled on Burnett and the park he’s playing in, I’d be happy that he hasn’t given up MORE than 3 runs.
How about we score a few off this pitcher who has nothing to write home about in his arsenal?
Neither AJ or CC are real top of the rotation guys, folks. Another pitchers duel lost from a “top” starter on the Yanks staff.
CB, Only if they want to chip away at Jorge’s value…..A few good seasons away from being a legit HOF’er I found interest…..Not the first time I’ve heard this, but coming from a former All-Star cather is credible
Well looks like things are back to normal here. All it took was 5 innings of yankee baseball. I wonder what these people would do if they were fans of the royals.
granderson has a crazy combo of power and speed…how does that guy only have 2 triples this year..
“what if a hitter had a a 12 pitch at bat and then struck out.”
On average that’s what a strike out contributes -0.29 runs.
Averages are limited of course because they don’t cover every situation, particularly at the extremes.
But on the whole that’s what they translate into. That’s independent of context, but in context they are likely even worse e.g. men on 3rd and less than two ways out.
Yankeeography: Mike Mussina makes me want to throw up
randy l -
I guess they don’t think it’s “sexy” enough. But I LOVE drag bunts for base hits. And bunts in a tough situation where no one expects the hitter to do it are fun and exciting. Oh, well. I guess it must be because you can’t “pose” after a drag bunt.
Donnie -
I LOVE Granderson. Wish he was a Yankee. But it’ll never, ever happen.
Yanks still should be able to get some runs
“I hate Granderson. I’d like to punch him in the face right now.”
patrick -
is that you?
“How can you blame Burnett for tonight’s score?”
Easy.
3 runs in 5 innings just isn’t very good.
And the Yanks just aren’t very good overall.
4 losses in a row with Verlander and Jackson ready to go.
“This guy has NOTHING. I don’t know how they can’t hit him. 88-89 mph fastball, not very sharp slider, and an 83-84 mph straight change.
This team always seems to swing for the fences when they get a pitcher with mediocre stuff. How about they just score runs?”
Sounds like you DO know why they can’t hit him. They’re pressing. Everyone is getting up there and trying to hang one over the fence. It’s ridiculous. Outside of Jeter, everyone today has gotten up there thinking, “home run”, and it’s lead to countless bad swings and pop ups. Just stupid.
Melky baby
nice play melky…played that as good as you could
nice throw Melkman
Good for Melky – he hasn’t had one like that for a while. Not a good job running, but a good throw, nonetheless.
You don’t run on Melky!
The right Cabrera was running and the right Cabrera was throwing.
Marty Foster said that he was out because the throw beat him.
Donnie-
I was hoping you would change it to Granderson under the O’Neill banner
Funny story about Nick Swisher. I was at the Braves/Yanks game in Atlanta where Joe got thrown out for arguing the pickoff of Gardner. This is the same game where Mo had an AB and flied out to CF.
So I’m sitting there, drinking light beer in the blazing sun and running my mouth off to all the Yankees fans around me.
When Swisher’s name came up, I said, “I like his personality but think he overswings even when he gets his pitch in a deep count or a hitter’s count. I think he’s a POS.
Next inning, Swisher hits a HR and the fans in the row directly in front of me turn around and ask, “Still think Swisher is a POS?”
I say, “I forgive him for now.”
And they say in thick southern accents, “Well that’s good because we’re his neighbors back in West Virgnia. We watched him grow up.”
So I say, “I’m just giving him a hard time. I do that with all the players”
After inserting my foot in my mouth, they turn away and we get back to watching the rest of the game.
If the whole incident wasn’t embarrassing enough, the very next inning Swisher makes a leaping catch up against the wall – a game changer. The Yankees fans in the crowd roar.
Swisher’s neighbors turn around and they’re smiling and I just look at them and motion like I’m zipping my lips shut. They laugh and I say, “It’s hard to stay mad at him.”
True story.
was he actually safe?
“Donnie -
I LOVE Granderson. Wish he was a Yankee. But it’ll never, ever happen.”
Thus is why I hate him. It’s purely based on the fact that he’s a smart guy, good player, and he’s killing us this game.
the Umpire is terrible
Cabrera was running like he had a cab on his back.
RalphieD (OPPC) DO NOT LOOK AT YES RADAR GUN..IT IS WRONG July 17th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
was he actually safe?
doesn’t matter just as long as the ball beats you to the bag lol
“doesn’t matter just as long as the ball beats you to the bag lol”
yea…atleast it applied to us today
“Frankly after reading the article, I’m rethinking the Halliday situation…..Definatley still want him, but at what cost…”
It’s a major concern. Good players get locked away very early now.
Look at Longoria – just amazing. He gets signed to multi-year contract after playing in the bigs for a week or two.
You just don’t see as many guys in their mid to late 30′s doing what they used to.
And in turn if you don’t have a vibrant farm system producing talent you’re not going to compete on a consistent basis. Very tough to trade away young talent and if you do you can’t miss on guys you deal away. You have to be spot on in your evaluation to know the value you’re giving up.
This trend is really going to work in the favor of a couple of guys. Felix Hernandez is a free agent at 25.
Justin Upton will be a free agent when he’s either 25 or 26.
He looked safe to me. They got lucky that Melky actually had a throw that was on target for once.
Burnett’s favorite thing is getting ahead in the count
Clearly complaining about pitch calling is lame tonight, AJ has no command, period, it doesn’t even matter what is being called
AJ is killing me with this walks.
Dave Eiland getting his exercise tonight
# Laura – I’m ready for the second half. Are the Yankees?? July 17th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
AJ is killing me with this walks.
I’m sure its killing him also.
doreen-
as a kid i would practice drag bunting for hours at time with my friends imitating mantle .i was a lefty hitter so it was a natural thing to do. as i got older and played at higher levels whenever i would come up against a tough lefty i would drag bunt at least one at bat because the first baseman would be playing back with me being a lefty hitter and the lefty pitcher would fall towards third base. it was very easy to drag bunt at a .500 rate.
a really good drag bunt feels as good as a home run off the bat . you know it when you lay it down perfectly.
Two outs, no one on, and he completely loses it. AJ, for the love of Christ…
Good thing the bullpen is well rested.
Okay LoHud managers-
Who do you warm in the bullpen?
I think if they called Cabrera safe no one would have argued.
Hey, that whole Jeter play had more to do with what the umpire said than the call itself. Close calls, who has problem ? They usually can go either way.
Haren, Halladay, and Rivera, the 2 best SP in their leagues and the best closer ever, all throw the cutter.
Coincidence?
Yanks starting staff is JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH!
BTW, Papi puts the game out of reach for the Sox with a clutch double.
David Roberston warming up…3-1 game about to be 7-1
What a joke it is that people were actually blaming game outcomes tonight on Posada’s pitch calling.
What utter nonsense.
This is AJ. He’s one of the most wildly inconsistent pitchers to play the game of the past decade.
He has absolutely no command, falls behind hitters and the negative outcomes are the catchers fault.
Just clueless.
“AJ is killing me with these walks.”
“I’m sure its killing him also.”
Yeah, but he’s making millions. What am I getting out of this?
please don’t bring in Robertson w/ guys on base again….
Jeter didn’t even tag Cabrera, but he doesn’t need to tag you for you to be out, remember? That’s an “unwritten rule.”
it amazing that people still complain when AJ has games like this…this is who he is….he’ll be great one minute then have no idea where its going next time…the sooner we realize that, the sooner we will accept AJ for who he is…just because he got a big contract doesnt mean hes gonna change who he is..
and he is very lucky to only have given up 3 runs this game….
4 games out and fading…
Laura-
Indigestion
El Duque released by Rangers with 2-0 record and 2.45 ERA in Triple-A. Sign him up. Better than seeing Mitre.
AJ has been very mediocre tonight, but I put the blame on the offense so far, I mean they should have at least 3 or 4 runs by now…. This guy is nothing special, we need to string together some at bats against him
Burnett is rusty. He hasn’t pitched in how long?
Anyone wondering what Melky did over the break?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TmtpcgRv7k
you people do know that AJ is pitching on like 8 days rest right?
Neil, no thanks man. El Duque used to be great but he’s old and throws extremely slow now. I could definitely see him giving up some bombs in our new stadium.
Laura – I’m ready for the second half. Are the Yankees?? July 17th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
“AJ is killing me with these walks.”
“I’m sure its killing him also.”
Yeah, but he’s making millions. What am I getting out of this?
lol true. But 9 days between starts is tough though.
“Indigestion”
LOL!!
time for some runs…. third time through the order will be a charm.
Scranton Manager Miley & pitcher Toweres both ejected.
Towers*
“lol true. But 9 days between starts is tough though.”
That’s no excuse. He knew he was going to have a long layoff. He should have thrown a side session during the break.
I love how people are conceding the loss and it is the bottom of the 5th. Really just stop watching baseball since you have no clue!
Funny, because that was a CARBON COPY of the “no swing” called on Thomas last inning.
Almost IDENTICAL. Yet the one to Jeter is called a swing? This home plate ump is awful.
Nice AB Jeets.
I’m at Progressive Field and am happy to report that Veras still sucks.
Cy French
Bronx Jeers
July 17th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I’m at Progressive Field and am happy to report that Veras still sucks.
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Wonderful. Its nice to know there is still some consistancy in an ever-changing world
So do the hitters get a pass for being terrible or is it all AJ’s fault?
“you people do know that AJ is pitching on like 8 days rest right?”
French last pitched…. July 8.
And he’s a command and control guy who has to get by on feel.
Top second: Josh Towers has been ejected in a really odd moment that sent Dave Miley into perhaps the most animated argument I’ve seen from him. Brian Barton called timeout at the plate. Towers started his windup, and when timeout was called, he seemed to intentionally throw the ball away rather than try to throw a strike. Problem is, Towers threw the ball toward Barton (but about 20 feet over his head). It did not look in anyway as if Towers was throwing at Barton, but the umpire threw Towers out and Miley was ejected for arguing.
http://community.thetimes-trib.....nnett.aspx
So somehow it’s Posada’s fault that AJ is a rancid, smelly turd of a pitcher?
Boston is better. Just learn to deal with that fact.
See Laura… Awesome
Hey look, a guy trying for a base hit rather than a HR!
Why don’t they go the other way with risp?
AJ is allowed to have a bad game – geez. He hasn’t pitched in 8 day; what did you really expect? This has nothing to do with him being inconsistent and everything to do with the fact that he went a long time without pitching. The Yankees aren’t hitting this French guy -that mostly the problem.
thats gotta be frustrating to give up a hit like that lol
Damon gets a great hit on a pitch out of the zone, and Leiter raves about a ROUTINE PLAY by the Tigers left fielder. I mean get a clue dude. THat was nothing special.
Alright Johnny! Come on Tex
Randy I, ( The Original Tin Cup )….If you were a Mickey Mantle fan as a kid, not only did you learn to switch hit, you also perfected the art of drag bunting…..I ran a 10 flat 100, so for me it always meant I was on first……..CB, When does Phil Hughes project to be a free agent ???
lol under the legs
so much for that good defense….ouch
“So do the hitters get a pass for being terrible or is it all AJ’s fault?”
Oh, not at all. The offense is actually more to blame as they have had this kid on the ropes and never put him away because they are all swinging for the fences.
3-2
BASEHIT TEX
Good job, Mark.
Nice break, fellas.
Now chase Mariano French out of the game.
Any other player, and he’d be standing on third. Why, oh why, must Tex be so ever-loving slow? haha
Take your breaks when you can get them, and then MAKE THEM PAY. Have to score AT LEAST Tex here.
“See Laura… Awesome”
I was more impressed by his scoring from 1st on the error.
CB, bad games happen. See, people overreacted to CC’s bad game and now AJ is a turd because he gave up 3 runs in 5 innings?
belial
July 17th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
So somehow it’s Posada’s fault that AJ is a rancid, smelly turd of a pitcher?
Boston is better. Just learn to deal with that fact.
Isn’t there a Boston blog somewhere you can can spew your garbage? I don’t come to your house and crap on your carpet.
Mr French schooling Buffy, Jodi and Sissy so far……
Laura – I’m ready for the second half. Are the Yankees??
July 17th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
“See Laura… Awesome”
I was more impressed by his scoring from 1st on the error.
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I really think the 4 days of rest was badly needed for him.
wow…they really jinxed the defense
yea thats good for french cept for the fact hi and aj are two entirely different pitchers, and french prlly knows his fans arent expecting him to turn in a cy young typer performance first game back from the break
Can the Yankees finally make a team pay for their mistakes?
Haha, Ken Singleton just says how the Tigers defense has been a big part of where they are, and right away there are two horrible defensive plays back to back. Irony at its finest.
Couldn’t Tex have gotten a big lead and then went when Inge threw it???? That is a very very long throw
Thanks for the errors Tigers!
Sui will get it done. Same approach every at bat.
let’s tie this baby up
SCORE. THESE. RUNS.
C’mon, fellas. Let’s do this.
RalphieD (OPPC) DO NOT LOOK AT YES RADAR GUN..IT IS WRONG
July 17th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
wow…they really jinxed the defense
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Ralphie, I call that the Broadcaster Kiss of Death
Or do that.
Just wonderful, guys. Just great.
What was that!
wow that is terrible baserunning
KO
July 17th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Couldn’t Tex have gotten a big lead and then went when Inge threw it???? That is a very very long throw
Rule number 1 of baserunning on a play infront of you never stray away from the bag
how in the world was arod that far off the base…he had to think it was 2 outs…
that was the worst baseball i’ve ever seen
the worst
Anybody counting how many LOB so far???????????
back to a one run game
Arod poor base running.
Yankees continue to beat themselves.
What was A-Rod doing there? Just horrible baserunning. I understand getting a lead and flinching, but come on, he KEPT running, that ball was clearly going to be caught and was hit softly.
Ouch. Bad base running by Rodriguez on the ankle high liner.
Is there a stat on bad baserunning because the Yankees would definitely lead that category? They make at least one bone head mistake on the base paths per game.
1 for 7 with RISP.
Is that Burnett’s fault?
They should have 4-5 runs tonight easily if they stopped pressing at the plate and swinging for the fences.
Could have cost them no runs, or 5. You just never know. That could come back to haunt them there, if they get another opportunity after this, they GOTTA take advantage….
Actually, I blame Godzilla for that. The two hittable balls he takes for strikes. The crappy one almost on the ground, he hits.
come on aj…give us a clean 6th here..
Arod nicknamed the ‘cooler’ by his former Texas teammates.
Pat M.
Figuring out when Phil is a free agent is a bit complicated as I’m not sure how much playing time he’s accumulated with the injuries he’s had.
Either way he’ll be a free agent on the early side – probably 27 or 28 I’d guess.
Arod was busy watching Swisher base running videos over the break….
Hey, look. He didn’t walk Anderson. Progress!
Does Leiter have a quota on the amount of times per season he has to say “Well, (insert Yankee picther here) didn’t have his best stuff but he worked through it”
It must be great to be such perfect baseball players
Question: If you were the Mets, would you take a flier on Lugo, recently cut from BOS? You don’t know when Reyes is coming back and Lugo is supposedly better than Cora.
DT – OPPC member (blood type – Positive) July 17th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Arod was busy watching Swisher base running videos over the break
lol
Laura they would be stupid to not do it.
He throws a good breaking ball, so you’d think he would go back to the fastball and blow away the guy who hasn’t caught up to it all night, and now has a breaking ball in the back of his mind right?
Nope, let’s throw it again, even though he’s tended to hang it all night and the count is 0-2. He has shown no ability to bury that pitch tonight, why would you expect him to do so now?
Making the same mistake over and over again is not a sign of bad luck.
AJ over 100 pitches.
Laura – I’m ready for the second half. Are the Yankees??
July 17th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Question: If you were the Mets, would you take a flier on Lugo, recently cut from BOS? You don’t know when Reyes is coming back and Lugo is supposedly better than Cora.
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Maybe. It depends on who is hanging out on that roster who is even more expendable. (The name Angel Berroa comes to mind)
Double play!
Adam Warren pitched a great 6 innings for Sataten Island. 6 innings, 0 hits, 0 walks,5 strikes. Medchill is 1-3 with an RBI double. 4-2 Staten Island leads and batting in the bottom of the 7th.
MELKY GOLD GLOVE!
And the bad baserunning has been mirrored!
melky with bailout
2 times.
Betsy,
My comments tonight were not primarily aimed at AJ. They were aimed at the notion that the game’s outcomes have been related to Posada’s game calling.
It’s blatantly obvious and not surprising that AJ’s just out of whack.
It happens and you move on. This game is in no way over and hopefully AJ can gut through a couple of more innings without giving up a run.
He’s done a great job recently of getting through starts when he doesn’t have his best stuff.
Nonetheless, this degree of wildlness and lack of precision is not completely related to the long layoffs.
Given the break a number of pitchers will be pitching with 6-8 days rest.
The rookie pitcher for Detroit being one of them.
But the total outcome of the game is so far as much on the offense.
at least Melky is doing his thing on defense
Great job, Melky. GREAT job.
Bad baserunning all over the place this game.
2nd great play for melky…he just needs a little offense this game
Melky!!
“Laura they would be stupid to not do it.”
What can it hurt? BOS is paying 99% of his salary. I’d do it.
Melky keeping us in the game by himself w/ his defense….
Why do people feel the need to scapegoat games?
Other than Melky’s defense, there’s been plenty of mediocre to go around.
# Laura – I’m ready for the second half. Are the Yankees?? July 17th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
“Laura they would be stupid to not do it.”
What can it hurt? BOS is paying 99% of his salary. I’d do it.
exactly
R.I.P Walter Cronkite.
“And that’s the way it is.”
Who?
Please to be crushing this kid, guys.
How many pitches had French thrown…. I might have kept him in….
This guy’s name sounds like a Klingon curse word. LOL!
I’ve never heard of this pitcher before
We better get some runs before Zumaya gets in there.
Ni is now In.
Posada
GJ
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Nice play by the fan LOL……… He now has a hole in his gut..
Cano is going to need at least a double to score the turtle.
Day 2 of Angel Berroa Mets career. Still no playing time yet…
Cano is just yuck
CA-NOPE
Robbie CANNOT………..Not even a stinker grounder to the right side…
ROBBIE CANO DON’T YA KNOW. Embarrassing.
in a shocking development, Cano makes an out with a runner in scoring position. A non productive out.
This 7-8-9 combination is just depressing
A Taiwanese pitcher on the mound at Yankee Stadium giving up a rope – never thought I would have seen that again…
Nick Whiffer reporting for duty……….
This is why Halladay doesn’t guarantee anything
We could get great pitching, but still lose because we don’t hit with RISP. Remember, the offense in the postseason has been just as much a concern as the pitching.
Terrible at bat by Cano. Trying to hit a HR on a breaking ball rather than pulling a groundball and moving the runner up.
Leadoff double, move him to 3rd, score him on an out. That’s what a good team would do, but not the Yankees. They all instead try to hit 2-run HR and he stands at 2B all inning.
1 for 8 wirh RISP…………same old story
leadoff double, and he doesn’t move. That never happens…
What is the chance Melky swings at the first pitch? 100%?
cano has to be the most hated .300 hitter in the game..
This has to be AJs fault right?
1 for 8 w/ RISP, picking up right where they left off. And Swisher stinks.
1 for 9 tonight with RISP, as the parade of bad Nick Swisher ABs continue.
Why do we keep running him out there? Seriously. I like the guy, but he’s just. not. good.
When is the last time Swisher got a big hit?
cano and swisher 2 special type of players. really you cna’t be this bad with RISP unless you are retarded..
cano is a joke..
1 for 9 with RISP, anothe ryankee game..
Mr Nick Whiffer doing what he does best……….Why no Gardner????????????????????????????????????
paging Eric Hinske….
cano wasnt trying to hit a home run thats just his swing
There’s a shocker. Nick Swisher swinging at garbage to strike out.
Again, what harm is there in playing Eric Hinske, a guy who has done EVERYTHING you could ask for and MORE, over Swisher, a guy who has no fundamentals and is incredibly inconsistent.
Did swsiher change his stance?
Why send him why why why!!!!!!!!!
SLOWsada DOA………..
Why not pinch running for Posada?
Jeez dude. Know your baserunners.
“This has to be AJs fault right?”
Yes, because with this offense, he needed to give up zero runs.
who else though that sending posada was the worst idea in the history of horrible ideas?
Why in GOD’S EFFING NAME would you send the only runner slower than Tex when the ball is hit to shallow right? That’s a TERRIBLE send. Just awful.
that’s right, send the catcher home from 2nd on a ball that’s not even really in the outfield. ughhh
one of the few times ive actually been mad at rob thompson…this hasnt been one of his best games…2 runners should of been out by a mile this game
and that is what happens to teams that don’t play baseball the right way. think he would have thrown out jorge if it was a single and cano got him over to third?
Thompson is a dimwit. Posada was out by a mile and a half.
classic posada out at the plate.
cANO and swisher suck.. how is it even argueable….
this team gives away games left and right …what a friggin joke…..
cano could not even get the guy to 3rd because he is a moron of the highest order..is it debateable???????????????
“Why not pinch running for Posada?”
In the 6th inning??
2 outs, slow rolling grounder, gotta send even Posada there… last play Laird made a horrible play on a bounced throw, this time he got a good throw and a candy hop… nothing you can do there
I thought they fired Bobby Meacham
That at bat is a very good example for why citing Swisher’s OPS in general and OPS with RISP is so misleading.
He draws a walk there that’s a positive.
But then it’s just Melky’s responsiblity to the get the run in.
And he just doesn’t generate enough contact to knock in as many runs as his OPS would indicate he likely would.
Cano and Swisher are brutal with RISP. Back to back hitters hitting .200 with RISP.
Bret the Hitman July 17th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Why not pinch running for Posada?
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Its the 6th inning and it would only tie the game
yea pinch run for posada in the 6th inning so you get 3 ab’s for molina..
give it up fool….
he ran him because they do not get hit’s with RISP and melky got one…..
Can’t expect Swisher to hit. He’s a career .240 hitter. It’s too bad Nady is gone for the year. Otherwise Swisher would be where he should: the bench.
Way to make a statement coming out of the break guys!
Shocker, a guy with no speed getting thrown out at the plate on an easy play by the left fielder.
But then again, this should not have been an important play. The Yankees should have been trying to tack on their 7th run there, not their 3rd.
Youuuuuse in the game
If I’m the manager, I play Gardner in CF, Melky in right, Swisher can sweep up the pumpkin seeds on the dugout floor……….The guy stinks, has no arm & is a clown…My least favorite since Betemit (not as bad as Betemit, but who is????????)
You guys are funny. If he hadn’t sent Posada and the next guy made an out, you’d be moaning “why didn’t Thompson send Posada”. LOL!
Does Joe pitch him 3 innings and begin the stretching process? Should be interesting…
Sorry Al you’re wrong on this one.
with Jeter on deck…
“The Yankees should have been trying to tack on their 7th run there, not their 3rd.”
lol…7th
No one has mentioned Thompson until game 89 so he must be having a pretty good year.
Verlander tomorrow
Jackson vs. Joba on Sunday
Win tonight, or we’re going to risk getting swept. Hate to waste a decent game by 1 of our only 2 good starters….
even hughes has no control tonight
Hughsie doing his Joba circa 2007 impression.
What a shock… playing poorly against another good opponent.
That at bat is a very good example for why citing Swisher’s OPS in general and OPS with RISP is so misleading.
He draws a walk there that’s a positive.
But then it’s just Melky’s responsiblity to the get the run in.
And he just doesn’t generate enough contact to knock in as many runs as his OPS would indicate he likely would.
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+1
great point. if posada was held, the odds are in favor of jetes getting him in.
Way to fight back, Hughes.
good job
CB, I agree…….this is mostly on the Yankees offense. AJ still can be wild, so you’re right, I don’t want to put this all on the long rest – though tonight I honestly think that’s what it was. As long as he an give us another inning or so, that’s all we an ask. Tonight (I’m away from the tv and radio), it appears the offense is still on vacation. I’m encouraged by AJ’s ability to pitch without perfect stuff…its easy to pitch with dominating stuff
Gets him with the CHEESE
YOU GUYS ARE SICKENING…hughes goes to a 3-1 count and all of sudden your trashing him again?? thats just pathetic…dude has a sub 1 era
“even hughes has no control tonight”
Are you on crack? He faced one batter and already, you know that he doesn’t have any control? There should be a license required to post on a blog because some of you are nuts.
that sequence in a nutshell is why the yanks have no chance at winning the division. in fact, that sequence defines the new york yankees of the last few seasons.
“.If you were a Mickey Mantle fan as a kid, not only did you learn to switch hit, you also perfected the art of drag bunting…..I ran a 10 flat 100, so for me it always meant I was on first…”
pat m-
in my eyes there has never been a better player than mantle. i didn’t catch until high school because all i wanted to do was play center field. the fact i didn’t run a 10 flat 100 made that transition easier
polanco is choking the bat, like whoa!!
Anderson made a decent throw. It was a gamble, but with two outs – sometimes you take chances.
Three innings to score some runs. Very Doable.
did i just see 97???
Error #21 saved by Tex.
what was that posada lmao
2 K’s!!!
oh, I see AJ is out – how many innings was that , 5 or 6? How many pitches die he throw – think he could have given us another inning?
Tex does it again
97 AGAIN!!!
Thunder Lighting Pouring rain in NJ.
Yanks have had their chances to get even in this game…expect a delay in the late innings.
“You guys are funny. If he hadn’t sent Posada and the next guy made an out, you’d be moaning “why didn’t Thompson send Posada”. LOL!”
Well, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I wouldn’t have. The last game against Anaheim, when they held Posada at third with no one out to keep the bases loaded, I didn’t question it at all. It was the right choice to hold him. I don’t know why he chose to send him this time, because this was a worst situation to send him than in the Anaheim game.
Meanwhile, Hughes is awesome.
And can someone please explain to Polanco what the baseline is there for?
Phil bringing the heat!
Youuuse hitting 97?
Great hitting
look at that another 96 mph curveball…dam this gun is good…
“And can someone please explain to Polanco what the baseline is there for?”
Paging Marty Foster! Marty Foster to the white courtesy phone.
No come back tonight guys. The team looks out of it and Detroit has a very good pen. They have wasted way too many opportunities and it’s going to come back to bite them.
Mickey Mantle is the reason why my husband is a Yankee fan and he tried to pattern himself after him in little league, as well. At that age, I had no interest in baseball whatsoever. But even if I did, there were no organized sports for young girls.
Polanco was running 2 feet inside the chalk line but blame Posada.
AJ gave them 6, threw 104 pitches
with 5 walks and a HBP, he’s lucky it wasn’t worse.
the yes gum is wrong all the time…
ecg you are a woosie whiner
They better hurry and score.. it’s starting to pour in jersey.
Come on Phil!
AJ gave them a quality start. An ugly quality start.
“They better hurry and score.. it’s starting to pour in jersey.”
If Zumaya is coming in, I don’t know how that’s going to turn out.
If either Cano or Swisher moves the runner up, Posada EASILY scores on that ball.
So you can say it doesn’t matter because he’s already in scoring position when Swisher strikes out, but not putting the ball in play is the difference between a tie game and trailing.
See how players with no fundamentals kill the team? A strikeout
gotta hold phil
starting to rain at the stadium
I said Yussssssse would pump 97 mph soon
LIGHTS
OUT
K’s the side
Or, you could credit AJ for getting through 6 with basically nothing,, like last time. Thanks, ,DT, for the info!
“No come back tonight guys. The team looks out of it and Detroit has a very good pen. They have wasted way too many opportunities and it’s going to come back to bite them”
i guess the yankees have an even better pen cause the yanks pen era>detroit pen era…
Matt, agreed. Look at the Tigers in the first inning. Double, grounder to second, grounder up the middle. There you go that’s a run. I’m not sure how good the Tigers are at situational hitting, but from what I have seen this year the yankees suck at it
“Paging Marty Foster! Marty Foster to the white courtesy phone.
”
Marty says…
“Well, see, they’re lines…that are on the ground…which is, like…the base of everything…making them base lines. What’s that? The runner is supposed to stay inside them? No, that’s just silly. He can run wherever he wants. As long as he beats the ball to the bag, he’s safe.”
Youuuuuuuuuse!
Pel you recording ?
“If either Cano or Swisher moves the runner up, Posada EASILY scores on that ball. ”
Matt, you are assuming that Melky would have singled in that situation as well. You don’t know how events would have changed if Posada was on 3rd. Maybe the pitcher would have thrown a wild pitch. Maybe Melky would have K’d or hit a HR. Yes, Cano and Swisher should have moved Posada up, but we have no proof that Posada would have scored if they had. The Yankees are capable of stranding guys on 3B as well.
Random question-
Why does YES show God Bless America, but they never show the National Anthem. If you are going to televise one, shouldn’t you show both???
“If Zumaya is coming in, I don’t know how that’s going to turn out.”
Zumaya in the rain is going to be hell for our hitters.
Raining sideways now in NJ. Gonna be tough to complete this one.
Another wasted opp for a win.
Our $90mm man fails against the green rookie. Pathetic.
Laura,
That’s not what I was saying, read it more closely.
I said he would have scored on the same ball if he had been moved up to third. I’m not saying he would have still been driven in, I’m saying that the fact that they didn’t move him up really burned them when they did get the hit.
Thompson is a dimwit. Posada was out by a mile and a half.
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No Thompson on the Yankees. There’s 3rd base coach Rob Thomson however.
I wonder if they will give Hughes a second inning as a part of the stretching out process.
Geez, the Mets are losing again? I think it’s time for us Yankee fans to feel sorry for them.
Okay, time for feeling sorry for the Mets is over. Thanks for playing.
Zumaya has a plus 4 ERA – someone is hitting him.
the 96 mph breaking ball after the 97 mph fastball kind of says the gun is off.
No way this game gets completed… going to be a delay and resumed sometime around 11 or so.
Rally rally rally!
The key to hitting Zumaya is to not try to do too much. His control isn’t great, so don’t try to swing for the fences. Let him get himself in trouble and then just hit it where they aren’t. Plain and simple.
LLIME July 17th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
No way this game gets completed… going to be a delay and resumed sometime around 11 or so.
so we will lose nice
If they game gets stopped and there is no window to play it… do they just award DET the win?
Or do they complete it tomorrow?
STEAL JETER…
If the rain can wait…
We can get to Zumaya…
The captain starts it…
Let’s get them home!!!
So close to a lead!!!
nice!…lets score atleast 2
Are you paying attention Laura?!?!?1
MPB Johnny Damon = Awesome!
funny, Laura…i’m still laughing.
come on yanks!!!
if they don’t tie it up here, hell has frozen over…
“We better get some runs before Zumaya gets in there.”
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mmhmmm
They better get at least Jeter home or I’m going to go ballistic.
why do you guys try to predict every single thing when every prediction is wrong.
enjoy the game.
2 on no outs.
we are never out of it.
laura – you’d like this one:
7/9/09 – Flushing, NY. A seven-year-old boy was at the center of a courtroom drama today when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him. The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be maintained to the degree possible. The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him. After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him. After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the New York Mets, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.
Yankees magic number to clinch AL East: 78
Yankees magic number to clinch Wild Card: 73
Jeter now needs 75 hits to catch Gehrig for most all time for a Yankee.
Hurry! The rain falls…
Jeter and Damon reach base…
Teixeira deliver!!!!!
YEAH BABY!!!!!!!
ok, call the game!!
Tex bails out everyone again!
“Are you paying attention Laura?!?!?1
MPB Johnny Damon = Awesome!”
I don’t know, Erica. It still may be a tad bit too early to know.
TEx!!!!
Where did that land???
TEX I LOVE YOU!!!!
I HEART TEX!!
TEXT MESSAGE!
Yessssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow!
Good time for Tex to find his power again.
so much for the great detroit pen
a tex message!!!
Good for you, Zumaya.
Eat your words, bum.
“I think Skip (Detroit Tigers manager Jim Leyland) wanted me to show the Yankees I still have something in the tank,” Zumaya said. “I wanted to go at ‘em. I can’t stand the Yankees, man.”
What is it about them that bothers him?
“There’s little things I can’t stand about them,” Zumaya said. “They haven’t seen me for two years, but it brought back memories.”
four straight 99mph fastballs…
that a boy Mark
man that Zumaya guy is tough….
Teix loves fastballs
Okay Laura-
You are a tough nut to crack. You will be swayed. You will see
What’d I tell you? Wait him out, wait on your pitch, and run in to it. Jeter fought one off. Johnny took an easy swing and sent it to the wall. Tex crushed one.
99 MPH is great when you can use it effectively. If you can’t find the zone for the first three pitches, when you DO find the zone, it’s getting crushed.
See Texeira knows what to do with the All Star break =)
Teixmas In JulY!
our comeback ability this year is AWESOME!!!
That is what I’m talking about!
Hard to keep up while traversing the trecharous Tejon Pass… AJ has allowed us to trail??? Another garbage pitcher…not to be trusteed.
That’s it. Must get Doc. Joba, Hughes, Jesus, take hem all JP. Just give us Doc.
ok its raining to hard call the game we win.
Alex needs more days off.
Hey guys! Who wants Bruney to pitch the 8th!?!?!?
Great at bat by Teixeira. Doesn’t go after the garbage pitches off the plate and sits on the pitch the whole world knew was coming and didn’t miss it.
Sey July 17th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
No come back tonight guys. The team looks out of it and Detroit has a very good pen. They have wasted way too many opportunities and it’s going to come back to bite them.
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This guys shouldn’t be allowed on the blog anymore. Idiot.
What a shot…
“Where did that land”
In Damon’s Deck.
DO NOT TAKE OUT HUGHES FOR COKE
“No come back tonight guys. The team looks out of it and Detroit has a very good pen. They have wasted way too many opportunities and it’s going to come back to bite them”
FAIL
Nick in SF-
Safety tip. Do not post blog comments while you are driving on something called the “Highway of Death”
“Geez, the Mets are losing again? I think it’s time for us Yankee fans to feel sorry for them.”
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do you think Mets fans would ever feel sorry for hte Yankees??
If the tables were turned, they would be laughing it up.
I had forgotten that Zumaya had talked smack about us. Punk!
Matsui runs like hes falling over lol
The gun is so off or that was a 98 mph off speed pitch.
“do you think Mets fans would ever feel sorry for hte Yankees??
If the tables were turned, they would be laughing it up.”
Boston Dave, funny how you ignored the second part of my post, which made it clear that I have all of one second available for feeling sorry for the Mutts.
Sey
July 17th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
No come back tonight guys. The team looks out of it and Detroit has a very good pen. They have wasted way too many opportunities and it’s going to come back to bite them.
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Just want to remind everyone of this post. 5-3 Yanks.
Ugh, I wanted AJ to get the win… he pitched well and deserved it. I want him to lead the team in wins.
Hope the official scorer is generous and gives AJ the win (provided we hold on)
Since they Mets are out of it, maybe they’ll trade us Santana!!
In 2007 when the Mets had that really bad start, some punk Mets fan I know asked me how it felt to be battling neck and neck for last place with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.
I kept reminding all those arrogant mets fans their team had not won anything yet. Sure enough, they failed. Epically.
I wish I could be enjoying the misery of Mets fans more, but after the last two Septembers maybe they have suffered enough
“Hope the official scorer is generous and gives AJ the win (provided we hold on)”
This is impossible. He left the game trailing and Hughes pitched an inning since.
I can’t believe I’m rooting for a dp.
Can we get another 3-1 meatball??? Please??
I lost track of rule changes….If it started to pour before they get 3 outs, do the runs come off the board or do they pick up play in the bottom of the 7th?
“Hope the official scorer is generous and gives AJ the win (provided we hold on)”
That only works when the starter doesn’t go 5 innings. AJ wasn’t pitching when we took the lead. If we hold on and win, Phil gets the W.
Todd
July 17th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Since they Mets are out of it, maybe they’ll trade us Santana!!
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Don’t laugh, but I have been thinking about that during all the Halladay talk. The Mets trading Santana almost makes sense since their team is going nowhere and ownership is broke, broke, broke.
But I think Mets fans would burn Citifield if they did that
“Hope the official scorer is generous and gives AJ the win (provided we hold on)”
yea, uh, that basically never happens…keep hoping
Maybe it’s not a good time to tell Nick that Larry Lucchino is from the Tejon Pass
“I wish I could be enjoying the misery of Mets fans more, but after the last two Septembers maybe they have suffered enough”
No, they haven’t. LOL!
I do feel bad for the Mets because I’m a New Yorker. I don’t like other teams spitting on NY in general.
“I can’t believe I’m rooting for a dp.”
umm..why?
the mets are going to be 15 games out real soon.
manuel gets fired soon
I think Manuel’s time is limited as well. Even though Minaya is the one who should really be getting the hook. The Mets have had their eye on Manny Acta for manager for a long time and now he is available
They’ll resume this game anyway because there is a window.
They only call games early if it is the final game of the series and there is no window to play – like what happened with the Marlins and Boston.
# Boston Dave 2.0 July 17th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
“Geez, the Mets are losing again? I think it’s time for us Yankee fans to feel sorry for them.”
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do you think Mets fans would ever feel sorry for hte Yankees??
If the tables were turned, they would be laughing it up.
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Agreed, no sympathy! Heck I was getting it from Met fans on Sunday after we lost three in a row.
nice hitting robbie lol….damn robbie is so bad..
“When that ball left Mark Teixeira’s bat, from my angle, I was pretty certain it was going to hit the moon.”
LOL that was an EPIC blast
Huge hit by Tex. Beautiful. Why not pinch runner Gardner for Matsui????
Good one DT.
Nick’s trip is turning into a David Lynch film.
The only Met player I feel sorry for is David Wright. He has been left holding the bag and that bag has a big hole in it. His power numbers are down and his strikeout rate is up. He’s the only big time player left on the field and he can’t carry the load alone. Plus, he’s wicked hot. I always feel sorry for the cute players. LOL!
“When that ball left Mark Teixeira’s bat, from my angle, I was pretty certain it was going to hit the moon.”
I laughed out loud.
Laura I agree. He is the only one I feel bad for.
Why are they trying to prolong this inning?
we have the lead, now complete the inning before the game is delayed!!! Swing at the first pitch!!
Laura-
David Wright kind of lost it after last night’s loss. Did you read his quotes?
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....aves_.html
And in the file of “It Can’t Get Any Worse” for the Mets. Angel Berroa has gotten his first Mets action and is 0-1
Color me shocked
i don’t feel bad for a multi millionaire that plays 6 months out of the year.
Leyland probably heard the trash talk from Zumaya and is making him man up. I love it!
No worries. No highway can stop me. Except maybe this one. 107 in Bakersfield a few minutes ago. That’s hot!
some extra runs would be nice, can it happen?
Get Tomko ready
this team just keeps coming at you.
it would be a shame if we don’t fix the pitching with this team.
nm lol
“David Wright kind of lost it after last night’s loss. Did you read his quotes?”
No, but I will now.
dang, melk.
Jack
July 17th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Why are they trying to prolong this inning?
we have the lead, now complete the inning before the game is delayed!!! Swing at the first pitch!!
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What difference does it make? Let them keep scoring. The runs count whether it rains out the rest of the game or not.
and the answer is no
It would have been nice if Melky had put them away
need more runs
“Angel Berroa has gotten his first Mets action and is 0-1″
call Elias – has anyone been released by both the Mets and Yankees in the same year?
did not pinch run gardner for matsui because then the ywould lose the defensive replacement.
to early to pinch run, if they are behind yes, else no..
And they fail to tack on, what else is new.
Can we ever have a nice relaxing win where Tomko pitches the final 2 innings? Every game seems like we’re holding on to a tight lead.
Phil Hughes gets a second inning…stretch him out.
WHERE IS BRIAN BRUNEY!?!? HE IS THE 8TH INNING PITCHER!!!!!!!!! JOE GIRARDI SAID SO!
“Mickey Mantle is the reason why my husband is a Yankee fan”
doreen-
there is a whole generation of us started every day eating our cheerios seeing what mantle did the night before .
i’m not sure there’s ever been a player who captured kids the way mantle did.
Ralphie -
Because I thought if the game gets delayed the runs wouldn’t count unless it was a completed inning. My husband says I’m wrong about that. That’s a possiblity.
Bannister tonight against Tampa
5 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 BB, 3 K
Again, he is a junkballer. Not going to be an upgrade over Andy.
“Can we ever have a nice relaxing win where Tomko pitches the final 2 innings? Every game seems like we’re holding on to a tight lead”
yes…we have had those
call Elias – has anyone been released by both the Mets and Yankees in the same year?
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Armando Benitez might be a contender. He played for both teams in 2003. He was definitely released by the Yankees. Not sure how he left the Mets thogu
HUGHES
Youussseeeee. Nice strikeout.
Skimmed the article on David Wright. How is it really any different than what Jeter has said regarding players who are injured. You can’t worry about players that aren’t there. You just have to go out and play your game.
GB
I think the confusion is…
If it had started raining and they had to call the game, do the runs stay on the board now and they resume play another day or does it go back to last completed inning?
“Because I thought if the game gets delayed the runs wouldn’t count unless it was a completed inning. My husband says I’m wrong about that. That’s a possiblity.”
oh ok…i was confused lol
Dave Justice was traded by the Yankees and Mets in the same offseason.
wow Phil is dealin
is that a YOUUUUUUSEEEEE chant i hear?
damn that was a good pitch too
Hughes is doing exactly what Burnett and Chamberlain should be doing. Go after the hitters, let them try to hit it. all three have their pitches moving off of the center of the plate.
randy l -
Cheerios and not Wheaties????
5ks wow
Damnnnnn Hughes is feeling good.
’96 Rivera?
Country Hardball.
Phil is going with the high heat tonight.
Ace tomorrow
Erica – Benitez got traded from Mets to Yanks and only lasted three weeks before the Yanks cast him away to Seattle.
But he did pitch for both teams in the same year – good memory.
I swear after this game I better not hear
“The process has begun” especially w/ this BP.
Balk for the kid. Don’t let it rattle you Phil you’re dealinnnn
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! July 17th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
I swear after this game I better not hear
“The process has begun” especially w/ this BP.
lol
I don’t care what scouts say
Hughes > Joba
in the present and in the future
pat
July 17th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
GB
I think the confusion is…
If it had started raining and they had to call the game, do the runs stay on the board now and they resume play another day or does it go back to last completed inning?
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Yeah. If they had called the game right after Teixeira’s homer, it would be just like a walkoff homer. If Detroit was to score 2 or 3 runs in this 8th inning and then the game was rained out, it used to revert back to the last full inning. Now, it’s a suspended game.
Strong outing by buchholz
That gun sucks.
I swear after this game I better not hear
“The process has begun” especially w/ this BP.
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The Yankees will trade for another reliever and return Hughes to the rotation.
Pujols with two more jacks tonight.
Joba is killing these dudes right now!!
Can’t believe they tried to make him a starter…And BTW whatever happened to those 360 celebrations he used to do?
DT-
Benitez always sticks out in my memory cause he was such a disaster for the Mets and then the Yankees took him. Six years later I am still not sure what the Yankee people were thinking.
I believe he had two disasterous outings for us before we got rid of him
phil hughes for world president…
how many pitches for phil
Come on, Hughsie, put this guy away.
Phil Hughes is having a long outing and Betsy is missing.
Should we be concerned?
40 pitches
WOW
Nasty.
6ks!!!
Phil Hughes is making Joba look like a bum. LOL!
This is why Hughes should be a starter
Thanks for the Tejon factoid, DT. I wondered what that odor was…
Are we winning now???
Hmmmm, maybe Joba, Hughes, and Jesus is too much for Doc after all…
JOBA RULES!!
Hughes is looking like the ’06-’07 Papelbon.
Screw that…he’s looking like Mo.
Youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse
Hughes looking like 07 Joba.
philthy…just philthy
Phil is so much more teachable and approachable. Look at his attitude with Posada. He’s respectful and listens.
Joba’s not in Phil’s league as far as maturity goes.
What a job for Hughes. 40 pitches. 3 hits. 6 k’s.
Turn it over to Mo.
>Phil Hughes is having a long outing and Betsy is missing.
have we ruled out the possibility that they are the same person?
Buchholz was OK. He left a lot of pitches up and his fastball is straight as an arrow.
Lind made a terrible baserunning error or he would have certainly given up at least another run.
A lot of loud outs.
hey Hughes got more Ks in 2 innings than Joba did in his last two starts!
“40 pitches”
They must be counting on CC to go hardcore tomorrow, so next time we see Yussssse is Sunday.
# Pel July 17th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
>Phil Hughes is having a long outing and Betsy is missing.
have we ruled out the possibility that they are the same person?
ROFL!!!!!!!!!!
Youuuuuuuuusssee!
Yeah, we can not trade him
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
we still have ace
“patrick -
is that you?
”
Was not me.
doreen-
definitely cheerios with 5 spoons of sugar with milk delivered to the back door.
for me the hartford courant sports section with the yankee box score.
lunch was baloney sandwiches with mustard made with wonder bread and washed down with an ice cold glass of milk.
life was simple back then
Phil Hughes is on Lohud. His name is Betsy!
“Hughes is looking like the ‘06-’07 Papelbon.
Screw that…he’s looking like Mo.”
He does look a bit like Papelscum.
I always thought that Betsy was Hughes’ alter-ego.
hughes has pin point controll.
he is putting the ball exactly where he wants to.
his confidence is through the roof also.
if he can take this over to being a starter he is going to be good.
No rain outside my window
call the game so we can save Mo
What Phil is able to do is spot his fastball in all four quadrants…..East & West / North & South…..Incredible control as he just attacks the strike zone….
I think Hughes hit rock bottom that night in Baltimore.
To compare Phil then to Phil now is mind boggling.
Maybe Joba just needs to hit rock bottom? Or maybe Prof. Damon needs to make him stay after school…
I am not convinced, but…
Betsy=Phil Hughes would explain a lot
I wanr Hughes to start acting like Papelbon… with that mean stare and the jubilant celebrations where he throws his glove in the air….
DT – OPPC member (blood type – Positive)
July 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
I think Hughes hit rock bottom that night in Baltimore.
To compare Phil then to Phil now is mind boggling.
Maybe Joba just needs to hit rock bottom? Or maybe Prof. Damon needs to make him stay after school…
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Once again…
MPB Johnny Damon = Awesome
Cashman was right about Hughes being the crown jewel of the organization. He was higher rated than Joba for most of their minor league careers for a reason.
“Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
we still have ace”
Yeh I doubt he’s moving from that pen, because his change up is not a good pitch right now, so you won’t see it this yr. otherwise he becomes a 4-5 IP. He’s better as our version of Papelbutt right now.
Kind of sucks for those people at Citifield seeing Sir Paul tonight
Betsy = Phil Hughes’ Mom
Betsy IS Hughes… secret is out.
“Buchholz was OK. He left a lot of pitches up and his fastball is straight as an arrow.”
Not sure what game you were watching. His fastball had a lot of late movement. 3-4 balls hit hard tops. He wasn’t great, but he was better than Burnett.
I always thought Betsy was Hughes’ mom, but now that I think about it, maybe it really is Hughes LOL
Aw. I bet Betsy was thrilled by Phil’s performance tonight.
I know I was. That was something
Hughes and AJ both use the alias “Betsy” to post here. They could have atleast gotten different names so we could tell them apart LOL
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
No rain outside my window
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It’s always bright and clear outside of your window, Rainbow Bright.
This is why Hughes is untouchable for Doc
Trade that arm and you’ll regret it for centuries.
randy l -
did you eat the extra sugar from the bottom of the bowl after the cheerios were gone, or did you try and get it to even out???? I can’t believe all the sugar I’d put on Cheerios.
Of course just a few years later Cap’n Crunch put the sugar right in the cereal saving the step of having to get out the sugar bowl. I used to keep adding cereal to the extra milk, and then milk to the extra cereal. I think I went through half a box at a time of the Cap’n Crunch stuff.
My own kids were ever only allowed to have Cheerios. No sugar. Once I bought lucky charms, but all they ate were the marshmallows. I’m a mean mom.
sorry, guys! I just came off the mound to get a drink of water…I’ll twitter after I’m done for the evening!
signing off….Phranchise..
LOL Seriously, I’m away from the tv – I take it Phil looks fantastic? How many innings has he pitched tonight? Throwing what, FB and curve? Any cutters? Pat M and I were among those who never doubted Phil. When he gets that workable change going, wow….Also, glad AJ can’t get the loss
GreenBeret7
July 17th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
No rain outside my window
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It’s always bright and clear outside of your window, Rainbow Bright.
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I LOVED Rainbow Brite when I was a little kid. You probably never watched those cartoons.
But I have definitely been accused of worse
Hughes and AJ are both my guys….
“Was not me.”
patrick-
i wasn’t sure. i though anger management class might have gotten over early.
just kidding.
actually, i had to take an anger management class once because i knocked a golf writer on his butt once when he poked his finger in my chest once on the first tee.
at the class, i guessed correctly that the anger management therapist was an EST graduate and announce that to the rest of the class and promptly was kicked out with my certificate of completion and told not to come back.
for an anger management specialist she sure had anger issues. i did however take a whole bunch of her smiley face pens( that said count to ten) on the way out and gave them to all my golf buddies when they they threw clubs or missed a three foot putt and said bad words.
Betsy-
I couldn’t tell you what kind of pitches he was/you were throwing, but he went two full innings and got 6 ks. It was pretty awesome
You see what you want to see about Buchholz. And who said Burnett was good tonight? Not me.
Buchholz was just OK. He didn’t go 6, and he got a quick hook from Francona after his last walk. There were quite a few balls hit on the screws that were outs.
Miranda gives Scranton a 1-0 lead in the bottom of the 4th with a solo homer. Jackson is 0-2 with a strikeout.
My sister’s name is Hope. I should tell her to try to get Yankee recognition
Youuuuse was pretty awesome Betsy
Betsy is Phil Hughes…In the club house posting from a blackberry
“milk delivered to the back door.”
I miss milk in glass bottles. First pour from a full bottle had a distinct sound.
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
GreenBeret7
July 17th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
No rain outside my window
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It’s always bright and clear outside of your window, Rainbow Bright.
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I LOVED Rainbow Brite when I was a little kid. You probably never watched those cartoons.
But I have definitely been accused of worse
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I’ve been accused of worse, too, and called worse. Of course, they were usually right.
I’ve seen enough of Rainbow Bright and Sparkle, along with Strawberry Shortcake. I’ve got 3 granddaughters. What fun.
If the military found out that GB was playing with Rainbow Brite off base he would have been court-martialed
I think he was pre “don’t ask, don’t tell”
>This is why Hughes is untouchable for Doc
>Trade that arm and you’ll regret it for centuries.
I totally agree. We have just what we need.
doreen-
i just drank the milk and sugar that was left .
the funny thing is i haven’t eaten sugar on anything since i owned a natural food store with some friends in 1972 called “Sufferin Succatash” .
GB7-
I didn’t like Strawberry Shortcake as much, but I really liked Rainbow Brite. I wanted a unicorn just like hers. My parents didn’t come through
I know I am optimistic to a point where its really annoying sometimes, but life sucks enough naturally without convincing myself that bad things are always about to happen.
I can assure you, my life has not always been rainbows and butterflies, but the fact that I can still always look for the silver lining means that I probably won’t snap anytime soon
Randy I, You forgot the Ovaltine …..I still have a milkman, however no bottles……..Does anyone remember Cott’s Soda & the Dugan’s pasteries….They both delevered to our house……Betsy, Young Master Hughes was throwing aspirins tonight…..
Erica – always OPPC July 17th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Kind of sucks for those people at Citifield seeing Sir Paul tonight
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I saw a Bon Jovi concert in the pouring rain at Giants Stadium. It was one of the best concerts I ever went to. So much fun. I really didn’t care that I was soaked to the bone.
Erica sounds as though she could snap any second. I don’t trust it. Bloggers beware.
pat m-
cott’s had really good orange soda.
I loved sugar frosted flakes or rice krispies and definitely let the sugar coagulate on the bottom of the bowl. I loved Mantle. Was given a signed baseball many years ago, it is still my top prized possession. There was something about Mick, the way he swung, the way he ran. He just was so special. I read every bio on him I could find and def memorized every stat. Yes life simpler that is for sure. I don’t remember having so much anger in me. Baseball was fun to play and fun to watch. I went to many many games with friends and we just enjoyed the heck out of it. Did not pick on each little thing. And the only people we booed were the umpires… well maybe the opponents a little.
Dan
July 17th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Erica sounds as though she could snap any second. I don’t trust it. Bloggers beware.
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Nah, I am way too comfy in my pjs tonight to snap. Maybe some other time. I will let you know
pat July 17th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
“milk delivered to the back door.”
I miss milk in glass bottles. First pour from a full bottle had a distinct sound.
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My aunt used to get milk delivered to the house. I loved visiting and opening the metal container and finding milk in there. That was the best tasting milk! Miss it!
I’m just joining in the fun and haven’t read thru the > 1000 posts, but was this article discussed about Halladay, if traded, being able to opt out of his last year and become a FA?
http://zozone.mlblogs.com/arch....._abou.html
Sheff injured wow
Pat M – We had Roland’s Dairy delivering milk and their bottles said “We came to visit not to stay, return our bottles every day” I cannot remember the bread van’s name. There was also a knife sharpener who came around the neighborhood and of course the good humor man and the bungalow bar ice cream man.
Talking about all this old time food makes me think about my grandmothers cooking. Every cereal was covered with sugar. One of my favorites was the heated up milk and bricks of plane shredded wheat, piled with about 1/2 pound of sugar. She is also a woman that thinks cholesterol is a myth. I swear she could go through a country crock container in 2 batches of homemade mashed potatoes.
wow, listening to the Mets debacle on Extra Innings – 7th time they have been shutout in the last 29 games.
Good they have Angel Berroa to turn things around.
randy l -
I don’t sprinkle sugar, either. Not the real kind and not the fake. I guess I od’d way back when!
But I do eat sweets (cookies, brownies) that I bake myself, using real sugar, real butter. Just don’t eat a lot of it. I’d rather have less of the real thing than a regular portion of manufactured stuff, as much as possible.
Erica -
Keep that attitude. I know that it has helped me immensely to focus on the good. As you said, there’s enough out there that is bad without making it worse for yourself.
Thank you for the fair warning Erica.
DT – OPPC member (blood type – Positive)
July 17th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
wow, listening to the Mets debacle on Extra Innings – 7th time they have been shutout in the last 29 games.
Good they have Angel Berroa to turn things around.
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Angel Berroa 0-2 tonight. Way to go!!!
You know I realize the Mets are missing a lot of their players, but there is no excuse to be shut out as many times as they have been. These guys are supposed to be baseball players. You’d think they’d score a run or two on accident! They have their starting second baseman, third baseman, had their left fielder up until today, and their starting right fielder. I am sorry no excuses. I’d be mighty upset if I were a Met fan. The other team scores a run and the game is over.
Dan
July 17th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Thank you for the fair warning Erica.
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Anytime. I always want to know if someone around me is going to snap. I enjoy a good show
plane shredded wheat = PLAIN shredded wheat
Every Mets fan I know has already taken the “there’s always next year attitude”.
With their fans giving up on them already, its no real wonder they can’t score
I still don’t like the frosted shredded wheat. And that has frosting!!!!!
Ha that is a pretty good show to see someone freak out. Speaking of which the other day on the golf course I had a ranger almost burst every blood vessel in his head for me not following the cart path only rule. I mean who wants to walk all the way across the fairway in the wet grass to hit a snap hook off the the tee. Not me, but he didn’t seem to forgiving.
I wonder if Manuel will be cackling in the post-game tonight
“UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: The rain is letting up but there’s nobody out on the field. Keep you posted.”
Thanks for the updates Kevin. You’re doing a fine job.
Frosted shredded wheat is a disappointing cereal. You really never know how much frosting you will get on any given piece. Some have a dab, some are overloaded (have enough). But that is unlikely. It is real hit or miss with that stuff. Too inconsistent.
“Does anyone remember Cott’s Soda & the Dugan’s pasteries”
Dellwood Milk and Dugan’s Bakery delievered to the back door.
I remember friends getting Cott’s soda but we never did. Glass bottles in wooden crates.
Please no more xxx references…what Leche does on his time is his business…
Breakfast wasn’t breakfast without Quisp and Quake battling for cereal supremacy.
Trader Joe’s has the best Frosted Shredded Wheat, each peice is even covered with frost. Only 2.99 a box too, good deal.
” i haven’t eaten sugar on anything since i owned a natural food store with some friends in 1972 called “Sufferin Succatash”
Great name for a store –Foghorn– Randy.
I have always wanted to open up a bookstore/sandwitch shop. I plan on calling it “onamanapita”.
Pat, I’ll have to a catch the replay later. I’ve no doubt Phil will be a big time starter – even though his velocity will diminish once he returns to the rotation 93/94 will be plenty…..and his ability to paint the corners is wonderful. That’s the command he was always touted to have
Hm never had Tader Joes shredded wheat. I’m somewhat stuck on raisin bran right now. It’s like wheaties with raisins, how do you beat that.
Bungalow Bar
Tastes like Tar
The more you eat
The sicker you are.
I remember that from when I was really young. Good Humor, Mr. Softee were around longer.
We also had the Hood Ice Cream Truck that had an ice cream (sherbet?) called Circus Surprise and if you had a monkey on the stick after you ate the ice cream, you got a free one.
Tom that is pretty clever. I hate to see stores with terrible names. There is a store around here in St. Pete called 60 Seconds to Print…… Every time I pass that store I wonder how they couldn’t have come up with a better name.
“I wonder if Manuel will be cackling in the post-game tonight”
I love that HAHAHAHA …:lol:
Oh man I remember the monkey deal. It was always the greatest thing to find the monkey. But I often lost the stick by the time I got to the truck next.
pat – yeah we had mr. softee as well. but bungalo bar was around quite a while. funny to think of it – the ice cream men all wore white suits.
How about Mission Grape and Orange soda?
Dan- I’m in Clearwater.
All right, just for fun here is a rain delay debate.
What is the all time greatest baseball movie?
Tom in N.J.
LOL, you just caused me to flashback to my 7th grade spelling bee. ONOMATOPOEIA was the word that caused me to lose the big prize. Still can’t spell it today.
“i wasn’t sure. i though anger management class might have gotten over early.
just kidding.”
Very funny. Why am I not surprised you were kicked out of anger management class?
Looks as though Alex G back playing for KC. I assume that the writers figure he must have been using something illegal, too.
Anyone from the Bronx remember Jahn’s? Or Krums?
Bronx Born – Not too far away from me I’m down on Park Blvd. in Seminole.
sar515
July 17th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Anyone from the Bronx remember Jahn’s? Or Krums?
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There was (might still be) a Jahn’s in Queens. Is that the same ice cream shop?
Bill Daughtry just said Austin Jackson = Brett Gardner
WTH
Greatest Baseball movie?
Hands down…Bull Durham.
Although when I was 10…I loved “Safe at Home” with Mantle and Maris!!
Greatest Baseball movie?
Hands down…Bull Durham.
Although when I was 10…I loved “Safe at Home” with Mantle and Maris!!
Dan
July 17th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
All right, just for fun here is a rain delay debate.
What is the all time greatest baseball movie?
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“The Stratton Story” with Jimmy Stewart (about Monty Stratton). Followed closely by “Eight Men Out”.
There is no reason to continue playing the game… especially with a day game tomorrow.
I’m sure even the Tigers would rather go back to their hotels now, rather than at 1 AM.
game scheduled to restart at 11:00. Yanks batting bot 8 and then 3 outs from Mariano till its over. But like Yogi said…
“Bill Daughtry just said Austin Jackson = Brett Gardner”
ehh what does he know…he should just stick to singing…oh wait…thats chris daughtry
Rangers lost. 3 up in WC race if/when the Yanks close out Detroit.
I remember Jahn’s. There was one in Eastchester.
from wfan twitter
A-Jax = Melky with more speed, more OBP, more Ks, and some more power.
Bill Daughtry — a.k.a. Mushmouth
HBO made a movie called ‘Soul of the Game’ about Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige, and Jackie Robinson. It was a very good baseball movie.
That’s great Dan. Am in downtown CW.
Jahn’s in Eastchester…Used to ride our ten-speeds there….Kitchen sinks
I remember Jahns. They had a concoction called the Kitchen Sink. It was huge enough to feed the whole team.
Erin Andrews is *so naked* right now
GB
I was reading yesterday that Alex G is under the Philippon Rules. Hillman said Alex R. was the guinea pig and they will be following that blueprint with Alex G of at least a day or 2 off a week to start.
Richie
Girardi can say that he isn’t concerned about the back of the rotation, but I don’t think anyone can hear that and not snicker.
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By using Hughes for two IP, I think Girardi showed that his deeds mean more than his words.
Nice area Bronx Born I enjoy it up there. Prefer the beaches in Clearwater (though a little crowded) and the golf in Manatee.
Bang the Drum Slowly and Cobb were very good too.
Yeah Dan the beaches are beautiful.. Am not in love with the summers – the heat and humidity a bit much.
“Used to ride our ten-speeds there”
Us too. And in the winter, it was also a good place to walk to after sleigh riding on the Leewood Golf Course.
There’s no reason as to why Phil can’t be used 2-3 innings per spaced outings…However if he’s to be used as an 8th inning guy, well then there’s days off….Joba rules syndrome
Yeah, it was curious that Girardi babied Hughes so much since he moved to the pen, then he lets him throw 40 pitches today.
In the past, Girardi would have yanked him for Coke to face one of the lefties.
Leiter wondering if Mo would come in after warming up and an hour delay?
I guess I’d have to say comedy wise Bull Durham had it. For the sheer fun of Sandlot that is always a great movie, takes me back. Eight Men out was a good movie also, one of the biggest scandal in American sports history. I enjoyed for love of the game for the way it was filmed, and the plot line.
My all around favorite is probably Bang The Drum Slowly just for the plot and acting. Great story there and being about the Yankees (Even Fictionally) helps out.
the good humor truck was expensive. too many things cost a dime.
the hood truck had popsicles and fudgecicles for a nickel. much better.
in those days a quarter could go a long ways.
a pack of baseball cards, a popsicle, a pack of hostess chocolate cupcakes, and a coke ( if you borrowed a nickel from your friend)
I know what you mean Randy. But you can’t forget the Mounds Bar, Almond Joy (although I like dark chocolate better) and necco wafers.
Evan Longoria just hit one to the International Space Station.
Juan Cruz coughs up the lead in the 8th. 8-7 TB over KC.
Hughes being stretched out tonight?
Jahn’s still has the kitchen sink. They won’t let you order it unless you have a certain amount of people.
A friend wanted to go there for his birthday a few years ago and begged me to come along so they can get it
It’s a joy to witness 97 MPH again from Yusssssse
Hughes ain’t leaving the BP
“Hughes being stretched out tonight?”
No.
” Why am I not surprised you were kicked out of anger management class?”
it wasn’t my fault. it was all that sugar on my cheerios when i was a kid
Ok maybe not stretched out to start, but I don’t recall him pitching multiple innings out of the pen before. He is quite a weapon. He’ll be a very good pitcher for the Blue Jays.
Tampa rallies… now leads KC 8-7
Just wondering, what was it like growing up in a city atmosphere? I grew up in a small neighborhood and some of my fondest memories were staying out late playing neighborhood hide and seek through about everyone’s property/garage/houses under construction. What was it like in the city?
“Ok maybe not stretched out to start, but I don’t recall him pitching multiple innings out of the pen before. He is quite a weapon. He’ll be a very good pitcher for the Blue Jays.”
No again.
mounds bar or almond joy?
bronx born-
when you only had a nickel left that was definitely a dilemma.
I’d rather Al get his hits tomorrow, com’on k so we can get to Mo already.
Lol @ posadas haircut
Good job AL, Mo finsh them !
I hear this Mo person is pretty good.
If Im the Mets I try to sell off any sellable pieces, write this year off and bring in Bobby V to man the helm next season.
Mo hit 92 nice
2 mo
Manny Acta will be the next Mets manager
Cabrera comes up as the tying run.
Meanwhile, does anyone get more soft hits than Polanco?
Po gets Mo.
Polanco always seems to hit the Yanks well.
Melky plays the ball in defiance of Joe’s defensive subbing.
Nice Jeet.
Jetah
damn rain tracks made that a double.
Hey look the rain helped
second time Jeter has robbed Cabrera tonight going to his left.
Yankees win!
Game Ovah!!
Derek Jeter getting some love from the 10 people left
Game.
good game
The Yankees win.
Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees win!
to think acta being 100 games under 500 in 2 years might managa any team is scary.
Manny Acta will be the next Mets manager
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The mets sure do love him. But I dunno if that will fly with the fans right now coming off his stint with the Nationals.
GI Joe pushed Joba. (tough love)
I spoke to a co-worker mets fan this week and he said he thinks the fans would revolt if they fired Manuel.
I think he is nuts. I am not aware of any such devotion to Manuel
Angel Berroa will take over as player manger.
No vulture win for Hughes – he earned it. What a job.
Mark’s YES on-field post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6281426638dce0b3/
And Randy there alway was those incredibly wonderful pep-O-mint lifesafers!
I’m so glad Phil got the win today. With the way he has pitched for the last month and a half, he sure as heck deserves it.
No off days again until August 3rd. Wow, that is a long stretch
Defense and Hughes kept the game close, Teixeira stole the victory. Good game.
Pat M, I agree – no reason why Phil can’t be used 2/3 innings at a time. Odd as it is to say, he’s wasted as a 1 inning, 8th inning guy. First off, he’s at the mercy of the rest of the game – if it’s a blow out either way or the Yankees are losing, he’s likely not coming in. Therefore, he’s limited in his opportunities. Phil needs to pitch, he wants to pitch – and he’s darn good. Pitch the kid.
Good win tonight. I knew AJ was going to have trouble tonight – good stuff, no control, no surprise. He battled and gave up only 3 runs in 6 – not bad at all against a very good hitting team. Hughes? All I know is that YES had better not cut his innings out of their replay.
pat
July 17th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
GB
I was reading yesterday that Alex G is under the Philippon Rules. Hillman said Alex R. was the guinea pig and they will be following that blueprint with Alex G of at least a day or 2 off a week to start.
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That’s good. Who says that Alex Rodriguez doesn’t give back to the game?
Happy to see Gordon back and playing. He’s going to be a really good player.
I am off to bed. Good night Yankee people!
I spoke to a co-worker mets fan this week and he said he thinks the fans would revolt if they fired Manuel.
I think he is nuts. I am not aware of any such devotion to Manuel
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I dunno. Most of my met fans friends hate Manuel and Omar. They wanna clean house.
That team needs help from above.
Dan- I lived in both city and burbs. Parents tended to be more tolerant in the burbs about late night doings. In the city ever watchful — we still played hide and seek and stick ball though.
randy l.
July 17th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
the good humor truck was expensive. too many things cost a dime.
the hood truck had popsicles and fudgecicles for a nickel. much better.
in those days a quarter could go a long ways.
a pack of baseball cards, a popsicle, a pack of hostess chocolate cupcakes, and a coke ( if you borrowed a nickel from your friend)
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you probably drink a lot of Cokes then, huh?
The best cokes came out of the cooler in the gas station. They were so cold it was almost ice!
you probably ***didn’t*** drink a lot of Cokes then, huh?
Wow, Tampa came back to win?
They were down 5 runs last time I checked
Btw, Aceves going back to the bullpen was what allowed Hughes to go 40 pitches today.
Such is the luxury of having two lights-out long relievers. (Hughes may be the “set-up man” but he’s not just a 1 inning pitcher).
bronx born-
i used to like fireballs except they’d break your teeth if you didn’t watch out.
life was really much simpler than. three channels. mostly listening to the games on a transistor radio.
good win tonight. it’ll be interesting if hughes’ pitch count goes up to 45-50 a few times.
maybe not a bad idea.
I would say I ummm drank my share… hee hee hee
In the mid-west, it was Cokes, Nehi Creme Soda and Dad’s Root Beer.
I liked the post-game comments about Phil – that even when he had 2 men on base, he never looked scared, nor that he was going to fall apart. Singleton and Leiter were very, very impressed. I saw a few pitches among the highlights……….wow. When you throw hard, with movement AND control, that is an almost impossible combination to beat
YES post-game Booth Report with Bob Lorenz, Ken Singleton, and Al Leiter:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6281450760e1bfb2/
This is such a good team… Cashman needs to get us another pitcher.
Yes a great win. Am very impressed with young Mr. Hughes. Maybe they are stretching him out an inning at a time.. Whatever they are doing he seems to be thriving on it.
Jawbreakers too Randy. And Bonomo’s Turkish Taffy. Tootsie Roll pops. And I loved licorice. Dang on a roll here… Chocolate Egg Creams were and still are the best, esp. with Pretzels out of the jar on the counter.
Burnett leads the AL in walks.
Dr. Brown’s cream soda rocks……..and black cherry. Cel-ray? Gross
lol… “why do you think Hughes is throwing harder”.
um… because he is in the pen and throwing max velocity and doesn’t have to pace himself?
captain obvious..
I agree bout Dr. Browns Betsy.. Love the black cherry. My dad loves to this day the cel-ray. I could not even smell it.. lol.
“The best cokes came out of the cooler in the gas station. They were so cold it was almost ice!”
you mean with the ice cold water and you had to slide the cokes out ?
that was the best .
gb7-
i might have had to give up one of the hostess cupcakes on occasion to get the nickel
Randy, I eat fireballs all the time..excuse me, Atomic Fireballs, lol. I used to eat them as a kid and I just re-discovered them. I know it’s not good for me, but man – I just love cinnamon flavored anything, lol
Randy, I eat fireballs all the time..excuse me, Atomic Fireballs, lol. I used to eat them as a kid and I just re-discovered them. I know it’s not good for me, but man – I just love cinnamon flavored anything, lol
Randy, I eat fireballs all the time..excuse me, Atomic Fireballs, lol. I used to eat them as a kid and I just re-discovered them. I know it’s not good for me, but man – I just love cinnamon flavored anything, lol
Marchand asked Girardi about the “Joba Rules”.
Excpet Girardi wasn’t here when the Joba rules were in place, they were for Torre.
Sorry for the triple posts!
Thanks Pel
Mo is going to
if they keep Yusssse away from him.
But I’m to
if next season they try to make him Papelscum.
Girardi’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/62814651f0bdfa4b/
I know I am an hour behind on this comment, but I have to agree with Tom in NJ- Bang the Drum Slowly is a great movie and it is probably one of my favorite baseball movies (Michael Kay’s uncle is in the movie too, I think). I actually had to watch it for my sports literature course in college and write a paper relating to it which was a sweet assignment.
We also read the book Deliverance too in that class which was a stretch for a sports book, but was actually really interesting and well written.
>Thanks Pel
The combination of Hughes, Aceves & Bruney ( he’ll bounce back ) is a lethal 7-8 combination…..Having another lefty to relieve Coke and the makings of a lock down pen is there…..Just need to come up with another mid-level starter and they’re good to go…….Mrs. Wagner’s pies, I never see them when ever I go back home……Stadium pizza is as good as it gets……Been going there for pre-game pizza as far back as I can remember……
I put nothing past this organization, Brandon.
One thing I can say is that Cashman won’t give up the farm to get Doc…
They don’t even make cokes like that anymore. Always tasted better in the small greenish glass bottles. I worked in a gas station when I was in school and there was nothing in the world better than downing one on a break.
Oh if Marte and Melancon can cintribute this yr. it might be a fun October.
Bronx Born -my dad loves Cel-ray, too. I hate celery…so celery soda is, ick.
I hope we’re going to hear from the players……I guess not
I loved the candy necklaces, the ring pops, push ups, Fun Dip, etc.
contribute *
In Texas, it was RC Cola, Banana Moon Pies and for whatever reason, they buy a small bag of Frito’s and pour the RC Cola into the bag, and slug it down.
Did anyone like Moxie?
Rivera
Hughes
Bruney
Melancon
Coke
Marte
Aceves
How many freaking uniforms do the Red Sox and Blue Jays have? I’m watching highlights on YES and the Sox are wearing navy blue. I’ve also seen them in white, grey, and red uniforms this season.
GB – you gotta be kidding me about the fritos. i never heard of that.Did you not drink Dr. Pepper?
Betsy.. I like celery but that does not mean it should be a soda. I don’t get that at all.
Thank again for the audio links Pel!
bronx born-
yeah cokes in the glass bottles back then really had a bite to them.
once you got to your early teen years i agree there was nothing better.
i remember eating state line potato chips and drinking ice cold cokes out of one of those coolers after playing pool when i’d lose all my money earned from .80 an hour picking tobacco all week and not even care.
GB, IS that some sort of military field rations ???
lol AJ said Hughes was “ridiculous”
I had told my kids about Razzles and Clark’s Gum and then found them in a store in NYC last year.
They liked the Razzles but Teaberry, Black Jack and Clove gum made me happier than them.
I hear ya Randy. I don’t know what it was, the right taste, carbonation, or what. They just refreshed.
I pulled over in Fresno to watch the rest of the game… It’s over?? We won???
Well that’s good at least. Now I can finally concentrate on the on the endless road… Thanks all…
Haha, I totally agree with what Burnett just said. Tex has gotten some big hits in the rain this year. The game-tying bases loaded double against TB comes to mind.
Rivera
Hughes
Bruney
Melancon
Coke
Marte
Aceves
On the bubble
Nova
Dunn
Igawa
Robertson
Kroenke
“Did anyone like Moxie?”
worst soda ever created.
one old guy in the neighborhood drank them.
lol AJ said Hughes was “ridiculous”
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Love AJ’s post-games……..
Said the 5 walks were terrible, that the 100 pitches felt like 200 and knew it was going to be a grind from the beginning. He had no hook……..
He’s always going out of his way to credit his teammates – mentioned Melky’s catch and that Phil was a “joke, ridiculous”.
LOL said he was here all week and it was beautiful……….now it rains, lol
On the 40 man
Wilkins De La Rosa (don’t forget him)
Pat.. black jack gum was a riot. it used to drive my mom crazy, she could not imagine what happened to my mouth.
Do you remember those horrible little wax bottles that had that icky liquid inside. We used to bite the top off and drink the crud. I think they were called nips or something like that.
“lol AJ said Hughes was “ridiculous””
Gammons weeps
LOL Phil……Kim asks him what the 6 Ks feels like and he responds to the effect that it feels same as anything else (something like that). He’s a cool kid……..
“In Texas, it was RC Cola, Banana Moon Pies and for whatever reason, they buy a small bag of Frito’s and pour the RC Cola into the bag, and slug it down.”
gb7-
remind me when you, me and pat m play golf to not send you to the clubhouse for refreshments.
Dunn will come up this September and dominate, then Marte will get traded this winter…..
Stop sounding like Mo dammit
Nice compliment to Phil, huh Brandon? AJ knows from ridiculous stuff……….
Gammons was raving about Hughes on 1050 the other day
He hates Joba, but always said nice things about Hughes
A.J.’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/628149616dae39cb/
“Dunn will come up this September and dominate, then Marte will get traded this winter…..”
Wishful thinking but that’s 94-97 mph when he’s on, and a filthy slider, change up combo when he doesn’t walk you.
The first segment on Baseball Tonight is about Buchholz and how well he did and what the Sox should do with him…. not about Hughes’ performance?
Typical BSPN……..
Hughes’ YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6281504825e4332d/
Bronx Born, I remember those………. I liked the liquid in them but he wax was kind of gross
Let’s see what the Baseball Tonight people say
I still can’t believe how Teix tattooed that 99 MPH. That was just sick.
Okay, so I guess nothing much
Bronx Born
July 17th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
GB – you gotta be kidding me about the fritos. i never heard of that.Did you not drink Dr. Pepper?
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I never was a Pepper. I don’t why they did that. It was a Texas thing.
LOL at Baseball Tonight – I have no idea how well CB pitched (enough for JP to fall in love with him? I hope not)……Still, much as I dislike BT now, I wouldn’t have started with Yanks/Tigers either. Gammons loves Phil – he’s said many times recently how scouts are buzzing about him.
“Nice compliment to Phil, huh Brandon? AJ knows from ridiculous stuff……….”
He called Coke a young phenom 2 weeks ago.
Hey Betsy…
I found em online
http://www.candywarehouse.com/niklnips.html
I remember Zumaya throwing 100 MPH in the shadows in the playoffs that year… we had no chance
Nohting about Hughes. If you watch the BBTN intro the last team they show is Boston. BostonBaseball tonight. Buch only went 5.2 innings. Joba does that its put him in the Pen!!!
randy l.
July 18th, 2009 at 12:03 am
“In Texas, it was RC Cola, Banana Moon Pies and for whatever reason, they buy a small bag of Frito’s and pour the RC Cola into the bag, and slug it down.”
gb7-
remind me when you, me and pat m play golf to not send you to the clubhouse for refreshments.
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Just remember, when I tell you that it’s in the bag, it really is.
GB- I hate Dr. Pepper. I know it does not have prune juice in it but you could have fooled me cuz I swear it tastes like carbonated prune juice.
It’s still a nice compliment……..and although I missed it, apparently Phil was ridiculous tonight
Buch only went 5.2 innings. Joba does that its put him in the Pen!!!
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very true
Hughes is a reliever he doesn’t have the secondary pitches to become a great starter. His fastball is a plus pitch when he is throwing it 94-97 he is dominant. LOL everytime he threw his curve he gave up a hit.
LOL I love prune juice……..I don’t drink soda, though (maybe ginger ale or orange occasionally).
Carl, true……
If anyone’s from Texas (or NM), there’s such a dish called Frito Pie. Chile, onions, etc….get dumped inside a bag of fritos so that some chips stay crunchy and some get soft and mushy..
Betsy, Scouts have been buzzing about Phillip Hughes since he was 15 years old……One old timer told me Hughes was one of the top 5 righthand pitching prospects he’s ever seen in his 40 years of shaking the bushes ……He’s going to be very special…….
Beejay
hehehehehehe
“Buch only went 5.2 innings. Joba does that its put him in the Pen!!!”
Exactly when Joba goes 5.2 ip he is a bust that should not be a starter. When Bucholtz does that he is the best young pitcher in baseball.
Hughes is a reliever he doesn’t have the secondary pitches to become a great starter. His fastball is a plus pitch when he is throwing it 94-97 he is dominant. LOL everytime he threw his curve he gave up a hit.
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Pat M….
July 17th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
GB, IS that some sort of military field rations ???
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Oh, God, no. I couldn’t watch it when they did that. It was a local thing, not military. I never drank Coke, tea or coffee (never drank that at all…can’t stand the smell of coffee) in the field during the day, because it would dehydrate you. During the day, nothing but water. About 5 gallons a day.
Cronkite died.
Nip Liks, lol…….There’s a store on Long Island in the Roosevelt Field mall called Dylan’s Candy Shop (or Store, I forget). It sells ALL of the nostalgic candy of our youth…..
Pat M, we discussed this a couple of days ago. It amazes me to think that scouts actually follow kids from the time they are 13/14. Can you really tell that early if a kid has the potential to make it to the big leagues? The idea that talent blossoms so early fascinates me.
Is that post about Phil being a reliever a joke?
Beejay, is a legend around the school yards as a punch ball god……Baseball, what’s baseball……
Kim Jones asks Phil what it feels like to strike out 6 in two innings.
Hughes response, it feels “The same as anything else.”
She asks him what it was like to hit 97 on the gun. And he tells her it’s good but he would have wanted to avoid the base hit.
The post games with Hughes are great. The reporters are convinced the bull pen and velocity are magic.
And Hughes sounds bored and never takes the bait.
Betsy, judging baseball talent is just like judging troll talent. You can tell if they have the “stuff” to make it as a pro. as you can see from reading this board, there is no real talent and not one future professional troll to be found, although, Stuart Little might make it if he doscovers another + name to call people.
***discovers***
I don’t see what’s the big deal about Buchholz, either. I thought he was supposed to win a Cy Young by now (just kidding).
But seriously, the kid’s almost 25, and pitched 5.2 innings against a bad team. This isn’t 20-year old Rick Porcello making his ML debut, or young Tommy Hanson dominating the Yanks and Sox back to back. I think there’s just so much buzz because some people think the start was a showcase for the Blue Jays.
ESPN is showing Pac Man’s make it rain video
Hughes has an over 5 era as a starter and an under 1 era as a reliever you tell me where he belongs?
CB:
I’ve tried to explain this before and nobody seems to get it. You see maybe 15 percent of a player’s postgame interview and one person asking questions for a television audience. Phil has a very good relationship with the beat writers and there’s some great back and forth.
I don’t know why this so hard for people for understand. The beat writers don’t think the velocity is magic. Give me a break. Unless we’re on deadline, the beat guys save their questions for when the cameras are off.
Well seeing how his ERA is vastly inflated by one start this year and has never really shown that he cant pitch as a starter because he was throwing that no hitter in texas then tweaked his hammy, then rolled his ankle while rehabbing that then last year broke a rib, meanwhile still only being in his mid 20′s id say a starter is primarily where you want your top pitching prospect as well as one considered the number 1 overall pitheing prospect in all of baseball. As for him not having a secondary pitch your wrong his curveball is a disgusting 12-6 spike curve, he has been working with mo on developing his cutter( who better to ask)can throw a slider. and from what i have heard maybe developing a changeup, if you are epecting a kid of his asg to be absolutely polished right now, well epic fail on your part.
And for the record ERA is the worst stat to grade a pitcher EVER
Beejay, extract the Baltimore game….Also, the games he threw vs. 1st place Texas & 1st place Detroit on the road no less, were 2 of the best 7=8 games by any starter on the team this season…….Go find your spauding and get ready for your punchball game tomorrow
Pat M….
July 18th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Beejay, extract the Baltimore game….Also, the games he threw vs. 1st place Texas & 1st place Detroit on the road no less, were 2 of the best 7=8 games by any starter on the team this season…….Go find your spauding and get ready for your punchball game tomorrow
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Sorry this is baseball you cant extract any games. YOu named the two games were he pitched his best. Outside of those two game everything else was very average and below average. Even Burnett said tonight the bullpen is where Hughes belongs. Hughes can be the future closer.
Hughes had a few bad games as a starter he is in his early 20′s it is a little ridiculous to assume he cant start and for the statement that he can be our future closer I respond with.
Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
amen.
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