The Yankees Power Poll, Version 2
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We tried this exercise back in November and it was fun. So let’s do it again.
Here is the Yankees Top 20. The only prerequisite is that you draw a check from the Yankees. He (or she) can be a player in the majors or minors, an executive, a scout, etc.
Here’s my list and why:
1. Alex Rodriguez: Whether you love him or hate him, you pay attention to what he does. He has a staggering 8.5 years more years on his contract and the Yankees seem to rise and fall as he does. Look at this way, they were three games under .500 without him and 14 games over with him this season.
2. Brian Cashman: He is in the first year of a three-year contract and has consolidated his power, hiring his people in important positions throughout the organization. With the Steinbrenner family now largely absent from baseball matters, the on-field product is entirely Cashman’s creation.
3. CC Sabathia: He is signed through 2015 and his success could determine whether the team remains a contender moving forward. His personality will help shape the clubhouse in the post-Derek Jeter era.
4. Derek Jeter: He remains the face of the organization, if not the face of the entire game. His contract expires after the 2010 season and what happens then will be a major story and source of great debate.
5. Hal Steinbrenner: The Yankees once had the most outspoken owner in sports. Now they have one of the quietest. Widely respected within the organization, Steinbrenner emerged as his family’s leader and the caretaker of an empire.
6. Mark Teixeira: He is signed through 2016 and is the best all-around player on the team. At 29, he’s in the prime of his career and a cornerstone player.
7. Mariano Rivera: Until further notice, he remains the best closer in the game. If there is another World Series in the near future, he’ll be a pivotal figure.
8. Joe Girardi: His second year as manager has been much smoother than his first as he adapted his personality to the team and the city. But if the Yankees don’t get to the postseason, he’s out and he knows it.
9. Joba Chamberlain: His star has fallen since we last did this poll. Chamberlain was one of the best young starters in the game in 2008 but has been erratic this season. His appeal to fans and unquestionable talent makes him potentially the team’s biggest star down the road.
10. A.J. Burnett: The Yankees invested $82.5 million to sign him in December. His history suggests that money was ill-spent. Burnett has been reliable so far but he’s four months into a long-term relationship.
11. Phil Hughes: He is the symbol of Cashman’s ambition to build talent from within. Injury prone and erratic as a starter, he has been dominant as a reliever in recent weeks but the Yankees still see him as a starter down the road.
12. Robinson Cano: Only 26, Cano is a supremely talented and could be the team’s best player within the next few years. But can he stay focused on the task at hand?
13. Jorge Posada: At 37, the fiery catcher is entering the twilight of his career. But remains a team leader and still a productive plyer.
14. Jesus Montero: The slugging catcher, only 19, is the team’s best prospect and mashing at Double-A. But will be used to one day replace Posada or as a trade chip?
15. Jennifer Steinbrenner Swindal: A general partner and vice chairperson, she has influence behind the scenes and could be the person who helps determine whether the team remains in her family.
16. Randy Levine: He was hired in 2000 largely to get a new Stadium built. Now that he has, what is next? Levine is a political operative who was loyal to George Steinbrenner. Will he still be team president in five years?
17. Austin Jackson: A five-tool center fielder in Triple-A, Jackson could be a pivotal player for years to come if he continues his development.
18. Andrew Brackman: The Yankees signed the 6-foot-10 right-hander to a major-league contract in 2007 based on the promise of his 99-mph fastball. He has been a bust so far, going 1-9 with a 5.97 ERA in low Class A ball.
19. Damon Oppenheimer: The amateur scouting director has been in charge of the draft for several years now and has restocked what was a barren farm system.
20. Chien-Ming Wang: He once won 46 games over two and a half seasons. He has since been on the disabled list three times and has a 9.64 ERA. But if he regains his form, he can be a dominant, low-cost starter. There is no more valuable commodity in baseball.
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Actually, Jesus doesnt turn 20 until the end of November. Scary.
What is this? A State of the Yankees speech?
Nice job, Pete.
Good job on the Fan, too.
Chances for Halladay are slim, but don’t forget who’s driving the bus. Doc himself.
Montero is a beast. Two RBI yesterday.
From the last thread:
Check it out. Did some more pitchers at a request of a friend:
b/f 1st callup Oswalt 523 , Sheets. about 200, Wakefield 554, Beckett 199, Maddux 474, Smoltz 377, Glavine c. 368 /most went back down
A few (more) observations:
1) Sheets has the least amount of innings on that list. Guess who’s also the one that couldn’t sign with a team because of an awful injury history? I don’t believe in coincidences.
2) Nearly all of these guys and the others I’ve looked at, except maybe Hernandez (felix), Glavine and one or two others (out of about 20) were sent back down to the minors at some point in time.
3) Many of the best pitchers I’ve checked have pitched at least 300 innings in the minors before their first call ups.
4) I also think Joba’s injury history should be considered. IIRC, wouldn’t that put him at increased risk of the Verducci effect? Since he’s not healthy to start with?
I think Jeter should be in the 3 spot. For right now, he is much more powerful in the Yankee organization than Sabathia
Nice list Pete. However, you forgot about me!
Just went through the list again.
Halladay’s missing.
I for one think we should hold onto Joba now, his value is in the toilet as he has proven to be a mediocre starter with a 92 mph fastball and suspect command.
if we split the 8 games with the rs we are in first by a game i believe.
even if we win 3 we are tied.
Jackson is more of a 4 and a half tool player. His power is more Paul O’Neill type power….18-23 homer when he developes.
can someone post the line-up for today’s game already, ha ha ha. seriously, 4 days without a game is making me very anxious. time for some baseball. let’s break the losing streak and start a winning streak beginning today.
6 hours and 40 minutes until Yankee baseball
http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?51853
ARod might be the virtual ebb and flow of the wins and losses but, I think he is a little more hamstrung than what he was in the past. With all of his admissions and problems, I’m not too sure that he is making people fetch him coffee anymore.
I’d put Hal on the top of that list. He da BOSS. Just like his Daddy, whatever he wants he would get. Just because he’s not insane like dear ol Dad, doesn’t make him any less powerful.
16. Randy Levine: He was hired in 2000 largely to get a new Stadium built. Now that he has, what is next? Levine is a political operative who was loyal to George Steinbrenner. Will he still be team president in five years?
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The resurrection of vintage Wang is the key to the Yankees’ 2nd half.
Joba hasn’t proven to be a mediocre starter. He’s struggled but so does every other 23 yr old kid pitching in the bigs.
I guess David Price has also “proven” to be a mediocre starter since he’s taking very similar lumps that Joba has this season.
Power always comes down to the money therefore if Hal is holding the pursestrings, he should be #1 in any power ranking.
Hard to say but…if and until Jeter signs an extension, Alex, Tex and CC should be higher than him in the power rankings.
Jeter is the face of the franchise but others contracts no longer make it his team without an extension.
Austin Jackson should get number 21 next year. It’s about time someone wore it.
Al from BK, his value wouldn’t be in the toilet if he gets you Halladay.
You forgot an important person on your list…Randy the segway security guard in Tampa
From last thread didnt see this new one had started
SOmeone brought this up yesterday and took a look at it today and I also know that it is so not a burning issue in the middle of the season but it looks like finally the Yankees will have some 40 man roster flexibility next year.
I counted at least 10 people that will/could come off the 40 man at the end of the season and with the youngsters that the team has coming up that space will prove valuable.
Jetes will probably want one more long term contract before he calls it a career.
That said, the Yanks should not bend over backward to pay him the same salary he makes now at age 38, 39, 40.
There’s no DH fallback for a shortstop. Posada is already going to take DH as soon as next year, anyway.
Unless Posada is hurt in 2010, he’ll get the large portion of the catching duties. He won’t be getting most of the DH duties. there’s no reason for him to.
with 3 or 4 great starts joba can move ahead of hughes again.probably less.
it was not that long ago when everybody was down on hughes.
in a short period of time he is untouchable again but in the pen.
starting is a different animal.
if joba goes out & pitches a 3 hitter it will really have all of us happily confused & changing our tunes.
You’d think after all the years that Freddy has been going to Yankee games, the Yankees would give him a paycheck at some point, i mean he is the Yankees ultimate fan and he has his own pot!
Bad news: That weather forecast don’t look good.
Andrew Brackman ranks higher than Lonn Trost? That doesn’t seem right.
I would love to see Joba go 6-7 and keep his walks down.
Jeter could very easily take the O’Neill route and look for a 2 year deal. You just never know with these things. Man, I’m not looking forward to this being a topic all of next season.
“Bad news: That weather forecast don’t look good.”
Well ofcourse we’re playing baseball.
Brackman? Put Aceves in there instead. How can you leave out Mendoza, Jr.?
I would put AJ Burnett higher just because when he is good, the yankees are world series material with that 1-2 punch. When he is bad, they have looked terrible. If the yanks make the postseason, how AJ pitches I think will determine how far they go
If the game is indeed called, we’re probably going to see a day/night doubleheader tomorrow.
Can’t have anymore rain outs to be made up at a later date because they’ve already lost two off days as it is.
Good job by gayle.
She beat mlbtraderumors to the punch.
Lugo DFA’d.
AJ has a chance to rewrite history. It almost doesn’t matter what he was or did in the past – if he stays healthy (and he has – the routine he learned under Doc has seemingly helped him), I would expect him to continue to be very good. He wouldn’t be the first late bloomer in baseball……also, he’s been a great teammate. CC gets a lot of the credit, but the kids have made it clear that AJ has been a strong mentor to them
I think the Phil comments are too harsh because they make it sound like Phil has found himself only as a reliever. He’s had some very good starts in his career – if he’s erratic, well……so are 99.9% of 23 year olds in the majors. They still view him as a starter? They never viewed him as anything else.
When healthy A-Rod is a better all around player than Texeira, as great as Tex is. He’s better than everybody but Pujols.
“Lugo DFA’d.”
And the Mets are now saved.
Jeter will get his 3,000 hit in 2011. Yankees brass won’t want to see him do it in another uniform. Yanks will want to give him a 2-year deal with club options beyond that. Jeter will want 3 years guaranteed. Regardless, he’ll be back. No, they won’t get their money’s worth, but Jeter has earned a “thanks for the memories” deal. He can play shoddy shortstop in 2011-2013 and DH a bunch. No big deal. He can’t wear a Devil Rays jersey.
“Al from BK, his value wouldn’t be in the toilet if he gets you Halladay.”
At this point it would take a helluva lot more than Jobber to get Doc. If Joba had gone 7-3 3.50 ERA with good velocity he would be the centerpiece of a deal at this point I think it’s better to hold onto him, hopefully something clicks and hes throwing 95-96 again. I just dont see that happening, that shoulder injury was way more serious than we were led to believe.
rewrite:
Good job by gayle
Beat Trade Rumors to the punch
Lugo DFA’d
Rebecca, that’s some admirable research. However, much like a medical journal, small sample sizes don’t substantiate anything. The amount of work needed to compile a calculated educated guess for something like this would be to take all pitchers in the HOF and run the same analysis. You might as well take the best of the best since that is what Joba has the potential to be.
m-You’re right, Ace should be on that list, not Brackman.
The forecast yesterday for today was rain starting in the evening, maybe around 8 or 9. I’d hate to lose AJ’s start…..boy, 10 days of rest. I think Jorge is going to have a hard time catching him tonight, lol
SIR – Dunn Promoted to AAA – He looks good! Could Coke be going to Toronto? Could Dunn be coming up to take his place this year?
According to a text message from Mike Ashmore, Mike Dunn (right) has been promoted from Trenton to Scranton/Wilkes-Barre. To open a spot on the Triple-A roster, Ashmore said, Paul Bush has been sent to Trenton.
Dunn will give Scranton/Wilkes-Barre a second lefty along with Zach Kroenke, thought Kroenke has been treated as more of a long man than a left-handed specialist. Dunn has a spot on the 40-man roster and has an absurd 76 strikeouts in 53.1 innings out of the Trenton bullpen.
They wouldn’t trade Joba or Hughes for Halladay anyways so deciding which guy has more trade value right now is an fruitless exercise.
I take no credit on that M i just happened to see it on twitter and post it here before they posted it on there site.
So the Sox DFA Lugo and are willing to eat $13 million left on his contract but they balked at an extra $10 million to get Tex signed?
Not that I’m complaining but that is not what I’d have expected from the best run franchise.
Franco-You really don’t think so? I’m not sure they wouldn’t do it. Trade one, keep the other does not sound like a bad deal when Halladay is involved.
Post above was from SWB Board!
Possible bullpen help available in a little over a week? Right hander Tyler Walker was DFA’d by Philadelphia.
GB7-Numbers for Walker?
Good job on the rankings Pete one thing I might have added is Melky/Gardner by playing the way they have played thus far this year it has allowed the Yankees NOT to have to make a trade in that position ie the Cameron trade and also allows them not to rush Jackson up as well.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 17th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Franco-You really don’t think so? I’m not sure they wouldn’t do it. Trade one, keep the other does not sound like a bad deal when Halladay is involved.
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No, Cashman doesn’t want to gut his farm system. He didn’t trade Hughes for Santana, so it’s highly unlikely he’d trade either one for Halladay.
Mike RI,
I read yesterday that the Jays are asking that whoever takes Halladay also takes Vernon Wells and his $100 million remaining his contract through 2014.
I’ve read that Joba or Hughes would likely be in any deal.
IF..IF (emphasized) we took on Wells’ contract, the Jays would have to take back one of our OFs and not obtain a top tier prospect. If they weren’t okay with that, then screw the deal. That is not worth it.
I am not ready to throw in the towel on Joba by any means…he’s a youngster and he is learning. I think we’ll see the real starting pitcher we hoped for towards the middle of 2010.
I really wonder what is wrong with Joba even when he is giving max effort(to put away a hitter) his FB barely touches 94 a far cry from triple digits Joba a few years ago. Also teams have stopped swinging at his once deadly slider because the FB isn’t as hard or well located as before.
Wasn’t he another one Sox fans said was better than Jeter? First is was Nomar, than Rent a wreck (as he lovingly was called by Sox fans.
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pat July 17th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
So the Sox DFA Lugo and are willing to eat $13 million left on his contract but they balked at an extra $10 million to get Tex signed?
Not that I’m complaining but that is not what I’d have expected from the best run franchise.
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haha so true. Either that or they hope some team is stupid enough to try and pick him up prior to the 10 days.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 17th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
GB7-Numbers for Walker?
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Very good numbers, but only 11 innings. Another 19 in the minors. Not sure about an injury during the season, though.
http://www.baseball-reference......ty01.shtml
Franco-Correct me if I’m wrong, but they didn’t they put out the offer with Hughes for Santana, but the Twins waited to long so they pulled it back?
I’m not sure if you call trading one of those two pitchers for Roy Halladay gutting the farm system either.
I’m guessing Doc would rank a bit above 14
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
No way will the Yankees take Wells insane contract and give them either Joba or Hughes. None zip zero zilch. If Wells is apart of any deal, they aren’t going to get top tier players in return.
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes
Yikes ….that Vernon Wells contract is Horrible ! .. cant see the Yanks taking on that contract.
thanks Mad Prince
GB7-Thanks.
Might as well take him, it’s practically zero risk and you may catch lightning in a bottle.
What team in their right mind would take Lugo’s remaining $13M in light of a bad economy ?
Would John Henry require the Heimlich Maneuver if he eats the contract ?
This would put a dent in his new bride’s shopping sprees.
Just like to point out, after reading Pete’s comments on Mo, that while Mo has the higher ERA Papelbon has blown more saves.
The Dirty Dozen:
1) A-Rod = Yankees’ baseline offense and biggest investment. Everything else piles on. I gave up hating him because I gave up trying to like him. Who cares if I like him? He sure won’t. He’s one of the most feared hitters in baseball and a solid 3d baseman. One day he’ll crack the post season jinx. If he stays healthy he has a chance to outrun the steroids shadow with longevity and results while clean.
2) Jeter = The Yankees. One eye on another ring and the other on retiring while at the top. If he gets to 3000 hits even without another ring, maybe he glides effortlessly into the sunset in two more years. His stature as a Yankee will only continue to grow after retirement.
3) Hal Steinbrenner: Young enough to grow into a more active player. Can’t believe given the family DNA and the fact that his personal fortune is partly at stake that he’s content merely to be a figure head or caretaker.
4) Cashman: IMO, once the training wheels came off, he turned the ship around and the organization is slowly gaining on Boston’s back office ops. It’s his vision for now, unless and until Hal takes a bigger role.
5) CC Sabathia: Anchors the rotation and leads the pitching “team.” If it all starts with pitching, then it all starts with CC. Another high character guy like Teix and of course Jetes.
6) Teixeira: I definitely see Teix replacing Jeter as Captain when the time comes. IMO, he’s Captain material and will only get more so with a little more maturity. Assuming Giradi stays for a while, he’s definitely Joe G’s kind of guy. I really don’t get the “Teix is a phony” movement.
7) Mo: The greatest closer of all time. Now playing the back nine of his career, he too will go out at the top.
9) Girardi: after Torre held the team hostage for years, nobody will be allowed to get that kind of hook into the organization’s heart again anytime soon. But if Joe G. gets them to the playoffs and they compete istead of fold, he comes back IMO. He’s still learning on the job, and has big shoes to fill, but otherwise fits the bill very well. Would you really rather have Trey Hillman or Bobby V?
10) Other Pitchers (Hughes, Joba, AJ, Wang): After CC who do they have? Who will step up? The one or ones who do are going to be very important players.
11) Jesus Montero is an exciting topic so he gets honorable mention, but he is still all potential and nothing more at this point. A formidable future weapon if he pans out and is paired with A-Rod, in a lineup that includes Cano and Teix. Honorable mention: Austin Jackson.
12) Randy Levine? Where else is he going to make this kind of money? Like Rudy, and many other career government types, Randy needed to cash in and he did. If Rudy runs for Governor and wins, maybe he takes Levine with him? It would have to be a pretty high profile spot, maybe Secretary to the Governor? When he leaves, if he leaves, do the Yankees become kinder and gentler? Not likely. It’s a tough town, my friends.
my wife says I’m nuts, but I’m seriously considering getting this pic done as a tattoo:
http://dugoutdiary.mlblogs.com.....rivera.jpg
“Don’t you think getting another man tattooed on your body is a little, well, strange?”
“Not when it’s Mariano Rivera I don’t.”
Haha, I love MLB network says that Texeira is the best gloveman he’s ever seen at first base.
I agree, and like all of us I’ve seen Donnie Baseball and Tino at first.
“Andrew Brackman ranks higher than Lonn Trost? That doesn’t seem right”
it does, if you employ wishful thinking
Since Toronto is in salary-dump mode and hellbent on sending Halladay to the NL, why not target Alex Rios? I’d do a Swisher for Rios swap and it would save Toronto 42 million dollars. Rios for 7 years at 42 million is a pretty decent deal. 6 mil per year.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 17th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
GB7-Thanks.
Might as well take him, it’s practically zero risk and you may catch lightning in a bottle.
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He’d be a $150,000 risk for the rest of the year. He’s been very good or very bad, and not much in between.
Just saw the comment in the previous thread that, per Buck Martinez, the Sox and Jays are seriously talking (Bucholz is auditioning tonight). That should scare any Yankee fan. I am normally not a fan of making moves based on what your rival does, but wow – if Doc goes to the Sox, that’s just brutally unfair and the division will be locked down for the next few years.
“I love MLB network says that Texeira is the best gloveman he’s ever seen at first base”
didn’t Mitch “my hero is John Kruk” Williams say that ?
Fans have turned on Joba pretty quickly. He’s obviously struggled so far this season. No one is denying that. Hitters have been laying off his breaking pitches to get to his fastball that hasn’t had the same pop it’s had in the past. His control hasn’t been nearly as sharp either.
The positives from his season so far are that he’s really turned his curveball into a real weapon. He hasn’t had any injury problems either. For a 23 year old pitcher having his first full season as a starter, I’m happy with that.
Clearly he needs to improve his consistency. I don’t know if it’s mechanics or conditioning, but he needs to be better with the control and velocity on his fastball. I don’t see any reason why he can’t get that figured out. When that happens, not only will it allow him to go deeper into games, but it will make his secondary pitches that much more effective.
Your talking about a pitcher who has shown lights out, ace, dominant stuff at the age of 21. In a way, that hurts the way he’s perceived by the fans because he is expected to be a front end starter right now. Hopefully it helps him in that management realizes what they have with him and will be patient in taking the time to let him reach his potential.
Awesome write-up. I really hope they don’t deal Jesus or Austin. I want a 2010 OF of
A-Jax
Gardner
Melky/Swisher
Let the young guys roll and the pitchers and sluggers do their job.
Anyone know if the Yankees checked out BJ Ryan? The Cubs ended up picking him, was curious if they would have brought him in as a left handed guy from the pen.
People who keep harping on Joba not throwing 100 MPH anymore are living in the Land of Oz.
I’ve got news for you – he was NEVER going to throw 100 MPH out of the rotation. Never.
He touched that velocity because all he did was empty the tank when he was in the pen.
But Joba can throw touch 97-98 MPH when he really wants to dial it up. He doesn’t do it often, but he has done it several times this season.
But people think he has to throw 98 MPH on every pitch, which is ridiculously misguided.
Watch Joba’s start against the Red Sox last season at Fenway and he wasn’t throwing 98 MPH with every fastball. Far from it.
Joba needs to learn how to pitch a lot more than he needs to throw 130 MPH.
Velocity doesn’t mean jack if you don’t have any command and can’t locate your fastball effectively.
Kyle Farnsworth has had the most hittable 98-99 MPH in the game the last several years. It hasn’t propelled him to elite status by any means.
How many times were those fastballs turned around and launched 425 feet?
Too many.
Sabathia’s velocity was up to 97-98 MPH couple of weeks ago against the Mariners and he still got knocked around. His velocity was up and so were his pitches.
Don’t worry abut velocity. Guys who throw hard and can’t locate are still going to get hammered.
More info on Hope Week at the STadium again this is something that in the past the Yankees may have done but certainly not to this extent very very happy they are
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....179800.htm
Maybe they need to simplify Joba the way they did Hughes. Put him in the pen. Make him throw his 2 strongest pitches (fastball slider). Then when his mechanics stabilize, weave in that curve ball. Scratch the changeup.
We cannot let Halladay go to the Sox. We can kiss the division away until 2011 if thats the case.
I don’t think Clay is anything special. Plus the Jays better make sure to lock the computers away especially being in the Rogers Centre, things might start to disappear with Clay around.
“Just saw the comment in the previous thread that, per Buck Martinez, the Sox and Jays are seriously talking (Bucholz is auditioning tonight). That should scare any Yankee fan. I am normally not a fan of making moves based on what your rival does, but wow – if Doc goes to the Sox, that’s just brutally unfair and the division will be locked down for the next few years”
if Theo pulls that, he is getting away from his model/plan, and inviting an escolated nuclear arms build-up.
and i mean escolated
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 17th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I’m not sure if you call trading one of those two pitchers for Roy Halladay gutting the farm system either.
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It would take a lot more than Hughes or Joba to get Halladay, which is why Cashman is not going to do it.
Nice list…And nice job on WFAN.
But how is it possible that ACE and Coke aren’t on this list? (considering they have brought stability to what was a bad pen earlier in the year).
Why is some Single A bust on this list over them? I would think the upside of either of those guys would be higher than someone with a 5.98 ERA in A Ball.
“SIR – Dunn Promoted to AAA – He looks good! Could Coke be going to Toronto? Could Dunn be coming up to take his place this year?”
JFC did you go from point 1 to Z on that one. No it can’t be that he’s due a promotion to come up and be the underbelly of our BP to help Coke. Ofcourse it has to do w/ a deal
I agree. When Brackman records his first out at the major league level, let me know
Wasn’t Dunn up for like 2 games and he couldn’t find the strike zone? no thanks.
“We cannot let Halladay go to the Sox. We can kiss the division away until 2011 if thats the case.”
He’s not going there, give it a rest.
Oh and if he does when he becomes a FA b/c Boston won’t get a window, but when he does become a FA if we want him, we steal him. Boston loses prospects and possibly him too.
Theo hugs his prospects even more than Cashman does. Halladay is not going to the Red Sox.
Juts another way to get Yankee fans to panic.
“Anyone know if the Yankees checked out BJ Ryan?”
Yeah, they checked him out on July 5 at the Stadium. He faced 4 guys, walked two, have up a homer and allowed 3 runs. He’s the Julio Lugo of relief pitchers…..only worse.
My top 12, then if others are doing it:
1. A-Rod. Enough said
2. Joba Chamberlain. If he steps up and ahs a good second half, we’re going places. And I think he’s the most likely candidate to do so
3. Cashman. If he gets another reliable starter (not necessarily Halladay) then we’re REALLY going places, especially if the Jobber steps up
4. CC Sabathia. If he pitches to his potential, he’ll carry us singlehandedly to the playoffs
5. A.J. Burnett. Has to stay healhty, or we’re going to look for a ton of production from other starters. Probably too much.
6. Mark Texeira. If him and A-Rod heat up at the same time, look out. He can be an incredible force. Plus outstanding, outstanding defense.
7. Derek Jeter. The new leadoff hitter has gone through a revival this season. New stadium caused? Maybe, but even so he DOES play half his games at the new park.
8. Mo. Enough said.
9. Alfredo Aceves. A revelation from the pen. We now know what life w/o Aceves is like; see Anaheim
10. Phil Hughes. Finally proven he could pitch with the big boys, and is really helping the club
11. Jesus Montero. Arguably the most important minor leaguer in the system. A beast.
12. Joe Girardi. How we do in the playoffs (and if we make it) is going to decide his career.
“Wasn’t Dunn up for like 2 games and he couldn’t find the strike zone? no thanks.”
In his young 20’s w/ mid 90’s fastball better than Coke’s 08′ progress. Leave this to the scouts and VP of operations hotshot.
“Yeah, they checked him out on July 5 at the Stadium. He faced 4 guys, walked two, have up a homer and allowed 3 runs”
lol
*gave up a homer
Interested in Gammons’ spin on the Lugo DFA.
You just know the front office will be praised for this one.
Rios gets about $ 60 Million over the next five years.
Swisher is guaranteed just under $ 17 Million the next two years. That’s not much salary relief until 2012. What Toronto really wants is someone to eat Well’s $ 98 Million over the next five years. To get that they’d have to take Swisher, Igawa and second tier talent in a Halladay/Wells package. I’d do it since it’s not my money… no way I do it with my own cash.
Trost should be in the top 20, not Levine any more.
Brackman shouldn’t be in the top 50… right now all he is is a grotesquely overpaid bad pitcher in Low-A ball. McAllister, Romine, Dunn, Melancon and Banuelos are just a few guys who belong in the top 20 before Brackman.
Otherwise it’s a very good list.
Steve B July 17th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
“Anyone know if the Yankees checked out BJ Ryan?”
Yeah, they checked him out on July 5 at the Stadium. He faced 4 guys, walked two, have up a homer and allowed 3 runs. He’s the Julio Lugo of relief pitchers…..only worse.
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Wait he pitched July 5th? I missed that game. Damn just realized I missed a lot of Yankee baseball the past few weeks!
“Theo hugs his prospects even more than Cashman does. Halladay is not going to the Red Sox.
Juts another way to get Yankee fans to panic.”
You’d think people here would figure he’s heading to the NL, it’ll either be San Francisco, Philly or Milwaukee (very dark horse).
personally, until he steps up, the Chambermaid would be down on my list
““Wasn’t Dunn up for like 2 games and he couldn’t find the strike zone? no thanks.”
In his young 20’s w/ mid 90’s fastball better than Coke’s 08? progress. Leave this to the scouts and VP of operations hotshot.”
The Yanks gotta stop rushing these hard throwers up, let them destroy some batters at AAA first!
Franco-2 things. First, I understand it’ll take more than one of them to get Halladay. I’m saying tht it’s not that far out there not package them in a deal.
Second, I think that Joba’s velocity issues (they are issues) are directly related to his other issues. I think when that’s fixed, the old Joba returns.
I’m not saying 100 or 97/98 as a starter, I’m saying 94-96 consistently, like A.J.
All Brackman’s 09′ is suppose to be about is innings. That’s all, he’s coming off TJS this season is suppose to be rocky for him, next yr. you panic about him.
“Brackman shouldn’t be in the top 50… right now all he is is a grotesquely overpaid bad pitcher in Low-A ball. McAllister, Romine, and Banuelos are just a few guys who belong in the top 20 before Brackman”
yup
playing SS for the Red Sox is like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.
Another reason why they should try for Halladay- so called “cant miss” players most times do miss
“The Yanks gotta stop rushing these hard throwers up, let them destroy some batters at AAA first!”
That’s WHERE HE’S GOING !
“Wasn’t Dunn up for like 2 games and he couldn’t find the strike zone? no thanks”
Didn’t think he’d been up with the big club yet. Ridiculous K rate this in AA. Ridiculous BB rate too. Lot of juice in the arm.
People would be making a mistake in dismissing Brackman. He certainly has control issues, but, he has the most explosive fastball I’ve seen since Ryan cut loose in the early 70s. He causes most of his own problems with wild pitches and throwing errors as much as with the walks. Don’t forget, he’s hardly pitched in the last 5 years. Only about 150 college innings.
“All Brackman’s 09? is suppose to be about is innings. That’s all, he’s coming off TJS this season is suppose to be rocky for him, next yr. you panic about him”
no one’s panicing.
we prefer to see him produce at the MILB level, before hyping him. SEE: Drew Henson
I think you all are confusing Dunn with Claggett. It was Claggett who was up here Dunn to my knowledge has not appeared.
“Joba needs to learn how to pitch a lot more than he needs to throw 130 MPH.
Velocity doesn’t mean jack if you don’t have any command and can’t locate your fastball effectively.
Kyle Farnsworth has had the most hittable 98-99 MPH in the game the last several years. It hasn’t propelled him to elite status by any means.
How many times were those fastballs turned around and launched 425 feet?
Too many.”
Joba’s fastball in the mid 90’s isn’t comparable to what Farnesworth throws. Just look at the results.
I’m not saying that Joba needs to throwing as fast as he did out of the bullpen. And I did mention his control problems with his fastball as well.
I think some of it might be more mental than anything else. He’s not throwing his fastball with the confidence that he has in the past. Part of that could be because he’s not throwing as hard.
I do think that it’s a good sign that he’s continuing to develop his other pitches rather than pulling a Burnett and saying, I’ve got a fastball and 1 breaking pitch, that’s all I need.
People complain that he’s not taking advice. Maybe the problem is that he’s struggling implementing the advice he’s been given. Fans think they can look at the results on the field and understand the work that players put in.
“SEE: Drew Henson”
Was a bum.
Should have went w/ SEE: Eric Duncan
gayle
July 17th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I think you all are confusing Dunn with Claggett. It was Claggett who was up here Dunn to my knowledge has not appeared.
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You’re correct, Gayle. Dunn has never been above AA.
For those of you who weren’t reading LoHud in the wee small hours of the morning, pictures from John Henry’s honeymoon have surfaced:
http://tinyurl.com/mouo9s
i don’t see how cash, oppenheimer, and hal aren’t the 3 most important men in our org, for now, and the future
Lugo was a bust and nobody from the Red Sox organization is going to say he was a good pick or praise themselves. For the people who are wondering why Henry didnt offer Tex 10 million more. Did it ever occur to you that Henry realized that Tex didnt want to sign with the Red Sox when he got there in Texas? Its okay that Tex signed with you. I would love to see Adrian Gonzalez in a Red Sox uniform. I would trade Buchholz and Anderson for him.
“SEE: Drew Henson”
Was a bum”
yes. Like Brackman, Henson was a raw college player who was awarded a guaranteed Major League contract
was never sold on him. I do hope/expect better results with Brackman
I don’t think Brackman should be on that list. He may have a major league contract and a spot on the 40-man roster, but so far he has shown nothing special and the Yankees don’t even need him in the foreseeable future.
Sabathia, Burnett, Joba and/or Hughes is a solid 1-3 over the next 5 years, and the Yankees have the resources to get another big starter or 2.
I have a feeling Brackman isn’t going to one of those guys who has success right away in the majors. With his 6′10″ frame and TJ surgery, it might take him years before he puts it together, and that probably won’t be in a Yankee uniform because they’re not that patient.
Actually Zach Kroenke may be next to be tried in the Majors in place of Tomko or a 60 Day DL for Nady.
“i don’t see how cash, oppenheimer, and hal aren’t the 3 most important men in our org, for now, and the future”
actually, you’re right
Aw, don’t get me started on Drew Henson.
I’m a diehard Michigan football fan and it was obviously to everyone not associated with the Yanks that Henson picked the wrong sport.
Henson as a freshman really pushed Tom Brady for playing time (as a senior).
It’s a damn shame. Henson was a beast. It still pisses me off to this day.
Brackman? Really?…. Why is this guy on the list? Because he got a big bonus? He barely pitched in college, is unbelievably raw, and currently getting his butt handed to him in low A ball…. Yankees drafted him totally on speculation and projection. He hasn’t done a thing yet except be 6′10″.
Austin Jackson is hardly a five tool player. I’ll give you 3 solid tools, and even those aren’t plus tools. They are slightly above average. Jax is overhyped and overrated. Nice prospect, nothing more. Certainly not a building block for the future. He doesn’t belong on that list either.
Nardi Contreras should be on the list. No one in the organization has more power or influence on the development of young pitchers, and the Yankees future success hinges on whether he can harness the talents of Brackman, Betances, McAllister, Heredia, Banuelos,et al.
I know Brackman’s history and I know all they want this year is for him to get work in and stay healthy. That doesn’t change anything about my statement.
He IS a grotesquely overpaid bad pitcher and there are many other prospects (I mentioned three of them) who belong on a “top 20″ list before Brackman.
I’m not giving up on him or down on him or ripping on him… just pointing out in no way is he one of the 50 most important people in the organization let alone 20.
horrible list, Pete. where are Jose Molina and Cody Ransom?
“Henson as a freshman really pushed Tom Brady for playing time (as a senior).
It’s a damn shame. Henson was a beast. It still pisses me off to this day”
maybe so Franco. However it was apparent to me (at the time) Brady was a better QB then Henson.
you don’t have to believe me. Jus saying
Interesting that neither Andy P nor Wang have been mentioned much in this thread. If Wang coiuld regain his form and Andy pitches like he did during the last part of 08 things will turn out very well.
coninued:
for instance, Tom Brady put on a clinic versus a strong Florida team, in the Outback Bowl that year.
A fine quarterback
Pettitte needs to pitch the last half of 2009 like he did in the FIRST HALF of 2008.
“and Andy pitches like he did during the last part of 08 things will turn out very well”
Think you might mean the last half of ‘07.
In talking about Joba’s fastball, GF mentioned that Farnsworth throws a flat 98 – 99 MPH.
I’d like to ask Green Beret, if he’s around, how a pitcher like Ryne Duren succeded for several years, as he did, with just that FB out the pen. GB, I know that you, like me, saw him pitch in the 50’s. But I can’t recall people talking about his exact speed, or movement on the ball. I know he was intimidating with his (on purpose?) wildness, but can you shed any light on the question as to how he threw the ball past so many hitters? Did they know way back then what his velocity was at its peak?
Thanks!
Thanks GB.
vinny-b (keep Montero) July 17th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
maybe so Franco. However it was apparent to me (at the time) Brady was a better QB then Henson.
you don’t have to believe me. Jus saying
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That wasn’t a knock on Brady. He was the better QB.
But my point was simply how good Henson was so early in his career.
My version of Gammons’ potential take on the Lugo DFA;
“Julio Lugo was waived by the Red Sox today. While the Red Sox will have eat a small amount of money to do this, they in fact have guaranteed themselves a championship by ridding the clubhouse of the mercurial moody Lugo.
Sources inside the team have said that Lugo was a bad clubhouse guy, who did not drink with fans and visit local firehouses and brought the team down.
Theo had a chance to trade Lugo to several other teams for their top prospects but felt that Red Sox should pay for their mistake signing and chose to DFA him, although the cost is small considering all the Sam Adams the Red Sox sell in those glorious new Monstah seats.
A rival scout told me that Jed Lowrie is Cal Ripken Jr. reincarnated and will lead the Red Sox to their third title injured wrist or not.
It takes tremendous guts for an organization like the Red Sox to admit they made a mistake with Lugo, but only an organization with this much fortitude and character could stand to make a move this something the Yankees are unable to do with a player like Kei Igawa who is currently rotting in AAA making 5 million a season. This is Peter Gammons.”
You forgot Angel Berroa
Way, way, way O/T: how the hell is Antoine Walker writing bad checks for $1M when he’s earned almost $100M throughout his career?
That’s some good accounting work there, Lou.
“You forgot Angel Berroa”
Right now Angel Berroa is number 3 on the list of 12 most important Mets, behind Wright and Johan.
DB: I’m actually working on a table right now–using pitchers that pitch now, are either young or considered “in their prime”, and were developed in the MLB system (ie, not Japanese signings).
vinny-b (keep Montero) July 17th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
coninued:
for instance, Tom Brady put on a clinic versus a strong Florida team, in the Outback Bowl that year.
A fine quarterback
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No, Brady’s final game at Michigan was against Alabama in the Orange Bowl.
Shawn Alexander was the RB for Alabama and he ran for something like 200 yards and three scores. Torched them.
The game was won in OT by Michigan on a missed extra point of all things.
“That wasn’t a knock on Brady. He was the better QB.
But my point was simply how good Henson was so early in his career”
understand. I agree, Henson was an effective QB. And it looked like his natural sport
“Interesting that neither Andy P nor Wang have been mentioned much in this thread. If Wang coiuld regain his form and Andy pitches like he did during the last part of 08 things will turn out very well.”
That’s a good point. I think by keeping Hughes in the bullpen, the Yankees are saying that they will be counting on Wang to come back and be an effective starter pretty soon. If that doesn’t work out, they are probably going to need to go out and get someone if they are committed to keeping Hughes in the bullpen for the rest of the season.
On Pettitte, it seems like he’s been most affected by the Yankee Stadium Launching Pad. His home/road splits are significantly different. In 15 more innings pitched at home, he’s given up 12 home runs as opposed to 3 on the road. His ERA is more than 2 runs higher at home. With last season being an exception because of his injured shoulder, he’s always been a better 2nd half pitcher. Hopefully that will be the case this year.
Not too lojng ago I figured out that the Giants kicker John Carney was th kicker in the infamous River City Realy; if you want to see where he comes in, watch the video until the very end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Od9C2dKiCI
lojng is long.
Heyman now saying the Dodgers could be players for Doc.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....y.suitors/
Nick in SF in Apple Valley, CA
July 17th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
For those of you who weren’t reading LoHud in the wee small hours of the morning, pictures from John Henry’s honeymoon have surfaced:
http://tinyurl.com/mouo9s
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Nice
Vinny-b
Michigan played Florida in the OUtback Bowl just once… it was at the end of the 2002 season and John Navarre was the quarterback.
That was not a strong Florida team, it was a Ron Zook coached Florida team. There’s a big difference.
At the end of the 1999 season Brady had a big game against Alabama in the Orange Bowl.
“No, Brady’s final game at Michigan was against Alabama in the Orange Bowl.
Shawn Alexander was the RB for Alabama and he ran for something like 200 yards and three scores. Torched them.
The game was won in OT by Michigan on a missed extra point of all things”
Franco: my bad. I was referencing Brady’s performance in the Citrus Bowl (versus Arkansas), the year before
Heyman has no idea what he’s talking about. He comes up with a new team every day.
Iconoclast
July 17th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
In talking about Joba’s fastball, GF mentioned that Farnsworth throws a flat 98 – 99 MPH.
I’d like to ask Green Beret, if he’s around, how a pitcher like Ryne Duren succeded for several years, as he did, with just that FB out the pen. GB, I know that you, like me, saw him pitch in the 50’s. But I can’t recall people talking about his exact speed, or movement on the ball. I know he was intimidating with his (on purpose?) wildness, but can you shed any light on the question as to how he threw the ball past so many hitters? Did they know way back then what his velocity was at its peak?
Thanks!
Thanks GB
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Duran had a few things going for him. First was a BIG fastball, probably in excess of 100 MPH.
Secondly, he was wild as Hell and nobody dug in.
Third was intimidation. He was a big farm boy and couldn’t see really well. Thick glasses and tinted green, giving the appearance of being almost blind. He also would throw his first couple of warmups to or over the backstop. Of course, he also did that in a few games, so, it might not all have been an act.
The 4th reason was that he was an alcoholic and everyone knew it. Even Don Larson and Mantle couldn’t outdrink him. He came into more than a few games with a hangover.
I just bought tickets to the game tonight
It better not rain!
Anyone following the Open? Looks like Tiger is going to miss the cut unless he birdies the last two holes.
Hi pete
Patrick-I’ve heard.
Something is not right w/Tiger.
1. A-Rod is absolutely #1, Im glad this is recognized. I personally lvoe that fact that he will continue to be a Yankee. Now if only the idiot bandwagon fans will stop booing him because they believe it is the “trendy” thing to do and SUPPORT him, things will be ok.
4. It boggles my mind that we are entering the point of Jeter’s career where the “post-Jeter era” is being talked about. It is going to take me a while to get used to when it actually happens. Part of me wants him to be covering that hole up until he’s in DEPENDS and in a wheel chair. The other part knows it’s almost time to move on. But ultimately its going to be his bat, that makes up the decision for everyone. No ones pushing him out if hes still hitting .320
7. Mo is god. When he retires he will ascend to the throne of Mt. Olympus where he belongs.
8. I believe Joe Girardi will be a better manager in the “post-Jeter era” when all of his old teammates retire. No matter how much you believe iot doesnt matter, the fact that he has played with some of these guys and no others makes a difference. He cant really be as assertive and cut throat with this friends. But once their gone he can finally be himself. Of course, this is contingent of whether or not he is brought back next season.
9 ans 11. We must keep Phil and Joba. We have talked for years that the New York Yankees do not have an young, inexpensive pitching that have the capability of being outstanding. Well now we do, and gues what…we can win WITH them. I want these two to be Yankees, I want to win championships with them and I want their numbers to be enshrined in Monument Park. Its a legitimate possibility.
13 and 14. Posada is a clubhouse cancer. No one will admit it and no one will talk about it. I enjoy his bat but he will never duplicate the season he had in ‘07 and seems to just be getting injured all the time. He is also a defensive liability and, whether its true or not, even the rumors that pitchers dont like working with him creates, tension that could either very well be there or not. Let Montero and when Posada’s ridiculously absurd contract expires, make him he new backstop. Dude can flat out HIT.
17. It didn’t surprise me that Damon was not on this list considering he is just kind of…well…there. He does everything good, but nothing great and doesn’t really make himself known. Which is another reason, besides his contract, that I feel that the Yankees will not be picking up his contract. Austin Jackson, IMHO, should take over LEFT field while the Gardner/Melky platoon continues. Or go after a journeyman CF, for all I are until AJ is ready.
20. I have way too much to type on Wang. His “injuries” have put us in a mess of a situation and it is absolutely incredible that we have been able to sustain where we are at for the last 3 months. Plain and simple he has been awful. And I honestly put no blame on Girardi or Cashman for the way they handled the situation. When he was out Hughes stepped up and was pitching well enough to keep with the hot hand. Should we have sacrificed wins to baby Wang?
Again these are just my opinions.
Great job Pete.
I love lists like these. I think there she be a different one once a week, or once a month. THey really get the conversation going.
The only way the Dodgers would ever become a player for Doc is if they’re willing to give up Kershaw or Billingsley and they’d have to be drunk to consider it
Duran had a few things going for him. First was a BIG fastball, probably in excess of 100 MPH.
Secondly, he was wild as Hell and nobody dug in.
Third was intimidation. He was a big farm boy and couldn’t see really well. Thick glasses and tinted green, giving the appearance of being almost blind. He also would throw his first couple of warmups to or over the backstop. Of course, he also did that in a few games, so, it might not all have been an act.
The 4th reason was that he was an alcoholic and everyone knew it. Even Don Larson and Mantle couldn’t outdrink him. He came into more than a few games with a hangover.
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and he also had a very, very short career with the Yankees-’58 and ‘59 were his only good years (ERA’s around 2.00), his lowest ERA in any other year with the Yankees was 4.96. In those times pitchers went to the ‘pen because they couldn’t be starters, which worked in baseball for well over 100 years, that’s why I’m always surprised to see how fans want young pitchers with great stuff and multiple pitches to pitch in relief when, in my opinion, your rotation should be your best 5 starting pitchers and I’ll worry about the bullpen later (except for a closer, of course). This whole idea of ’stretching out’ starters also doesn’t make much sense to me either, once you are in the middle of the season you just take out a starter when they are either tired or getting hit, you don’t yank them arbitrarily when they hit a pitch count. Why take out a pitcher with good stuff when they might get 2-3 more outs before you see any lessening of their stuff? All it does is burn out the ‘pen.
Earlier this week I booked a trip to Atlantic City for Saturday Octover 17th. Then it occured to me that is the heart of playoff time. I just told my friends that if the Yankees are still playing on October 17th (which I pray they are), we may need to dine & hang in a sports bar or I will just have to ditch them
I realize the game would be on FOX, but sitting in a hotel room in Atlantic City watching the game alone sounds like ZERO fun
“Anyone following the Open? Looks like Tiger is going to miss the cut unless he birdies the last two holes.”
I’m not sure what’s more amazing, the fact that Tiger is struggling like he is, or the fact that Marino shot a 68 today
How about that Watson?
“How about that Watson?”
Good point, that also has been amazing
pat,
The Dodgers definitely should be players in the Halladay trade discussions.
With Billingsly they’d be a nasty 1-2 at the top of LA’s rotation.
It’d require them giving up Kershaw in the deal and god knows what else. I do doubt, however, that they’d be willing to take Vernon Wells.
according to Heyman, the Yankees tried to trade for Jeff Francoeur last offseason.
dodged a bullet on that one. Francoeur’s OBP is around .280.
5 hours and 2 minutes until Yankee baseball
And to think, when I first posted the countdown it was 46+ hours….. still feels like an eternity
Seymour (NYC)
Wait, so you’d be stunned to see the Tigers offer Porcello for Halladay, but a Yankee offer of Joba/Montero/Jackson only keeps Ricciardi on the phone? Joba’s ceiling > Porcello’s.
Jerry Crasnick
(12:53 PM)
Seymour, I could definitely see Ricciardi making that trade. Sorry if I was unclear. But there’s no way I see the Yankees making that offer. By the way, I talked to a couple of players at the All-Star Game who really like Joba more as a closer than as a starter. Interesting to hear …
“according to Heyman, the Yankees tried to trade for Jeff Francoeur last offseason.”
I love hearing about trades that almost were. Did they say who would have been given up in exchange?
Welcome back, E.R. I look forward to reading injury speculation and Yankee loss/Sox win suggestions later.
“5 hours and 2 minutes until Yankee baseball
And to think, when I first posted the countdown it was 46+ hours….. still feels like an eternity”
When are you going to start factoring in the inevitable rain delay? After all, we’re playing at home and whenever the Yankees are home New York is the new Seattle
Tiger still has a shot, he birdies the last hole he’s in.
Ramey,
I can’t necessarily agree with you on Kershaw.
The Dodgers are probably not even a Halladay away from a championship caliber team. With Halladay they’d be pretty darned hard to top in the NL.
Philly would be the only team I can think of that would give them a run for their money, but with their pitching being as shoddy as it has been, I’d be hard pressed to believe they’ll have much trouble ripping through the Fightin Phils.
Btw-
I think we need to stop talking about the problems with Joba on this blog. Ricciardi could be a reader and we could be lowering Joba’s trade value
Ramey-
I live in a world where it doesn’t rain. LOL
Mad Prince,
You don’t think if the Giants win the Wild Card their 1,2 punch of Lincecum and Cain can do some damage, despite their non-existent offense outside of Sandoval?
Very interesting from Yankees PR tweet
Yankees to hold press conference on Monday, 7/20 at 4 pm regarding college football games at Yankee Stadium
Erica –
That’s a good way to look at it. I was thinking along the lines maybe you thought in the 4 day All-Star break the Yankees installed a retractable roof
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Earlier this week I booked a trip to Atlantic City for Saturday Octover 17th. Then it occured to me that is the heart of playoff time. I just told my friends that if the Yankees are still playing on October 17th (which I pray they are), we may need to dine & hang in a sports bar or I will just have to ditch them
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I understand. My friends want to go to Vegas the weekend we play the Sox at Fenway in August. I’m trying to find a way to convince them to change the weekend without admitting its baseball related…..
Great list pete. thanks!
You guys are dreaming if you think the Sox aren’t in on Halladay.
You’re also dreaming if you’re hoping the Yankees aren’t in on Halladay, either.
July 17th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Erica –
That’s a good way to look at it. I was thinking along the lines maybe you thought in the 4 day All-Star break the Yankees installed a retractable roof
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No, then I would be stupid. It’s much better to live in a world filled with denial than to be stupid
The Yankees have always been at the forefront of having closers, or, at least since the mid-to-late ’20s. It started with Wilcey Moore in 1927. Johnny Murphy was the big closer in the ’30s. Joe Page was the next big bullpen closer in the late ’40s. NYY didn’t have a replacement for Page in the early ’50s, so Allie Reynolds started and closed. It was that abuse by Stengel that has probably kept Reynolds out of the HOF. It ruined his arm, and along with that and a team bus accident, finished him before his time. Luis Arroyo and Marshall Bridges in the early ’60s. It was just a collection of junk until Sparkey Lyle came along.
“You guys are dreaming if you think the Sox aren’t in on Halladay.”
Theo Epstein should be calling up Mark Shapiro and seeing what he needs to package together to get Victor Martinez and not even worry about Halladay
Erica-Excuse me for sayin that I hope your Atlantic City problem DOEs end up a problem, for obvious reasons.
gayle,
You’ll want to defer so that you’ll be driving towards right center field in the last quarter.
NYY626-
As someone who has been to Vegas in August. Make sure your friends know how extremely hot it is there then. Tell them it has been scientifically proven that it is cooler in Vegas the last weekend of August and they should really push it back a week (Note: I am making this scientific fact up)
“No, then I would be stupid. It’s much better to live in a world filled with denial than to be stupid”
Well it is always better to live in blissful ignorance than utter stupidity haha
“No, then I would be stupid. It’s much better to live in a world filled with denial than to be stupid”
Well it is always better to live in blissful ignorance than utter stupidity haha
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 17th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Erica-Excuse me for sayin that I hope your Atlantic City problem DOEs end up a problem, for obvious reasons.
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ME TOO!!!!!!
I also carelessly booked a trip to leave the day of Opening Day at NYS. I wound up watching the ceremonies at home and then leaving during the second inning. I got to the Atlantic City expressway when Sterling cut out on me. Which interestingly, was the same time the bullpen imploded
“Heyman now saying the Dodgers could be players for Doc.”
The SF Giants will never allow that.
Ramey,
Seen a quote by Victor saying he wants to stay with the Indians (like forever) and hopes he’s not traded.
I was thinking to myself, “why?”. Perhaps a negotiating tactic? Or does he really mean it.
But now that you mention it, martinez would be perfect. They need a catcher, he’s a good player, and by all accounts a great guy (did you see him with mo? looked like a little kid who won the grand prize at the carnival).
I do think they need a bat, but we’re talking about Roy Halladay.
Even if it’s not being publicized, every contender would be looking imo.
gayle
July 17th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Very interesting from Yankees PR tweet
Yankees to hold press conference on Monday, 7/20 at 4 pm regarding college football games at Yankee Stadium
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Besides one Notre Dame game a year, I’d have to think that they’ll bring back Grambling and another major black college that the Yankees and George Steinbrenner used to sponsor annually.
Cashman called on Halliday . But the Jays haven’t called back in 10 days. take it for what its worth
It’s always interesting to see how the media and Yankee fans buy into the corporate argument (to keep costs lower) and that the re-signing of Jeter is going to be a “source of great debate.”
There is NO WAY that the organization will not re-sign Derek Jeter if he wants to play baseball beyond 2010.
Mike RI
July 17th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Cashman called on Halliday . But the Jays haven’t called back in 10 days. take it for what its worth
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I think that means nothing. The trade deadline is 2 weeks away. The Jays are still fielding offers and know the Yankees are interested. Nothing serious will be known or done for at least a week
“Luis Arroyo and Marshall Bridges in the early ’60s. It was just a collection of junk until Sparky Lyle came along.”
Jack Aker, Lindy McDaniel and Steve Hamilton were ok.
Careful GB – Don’t mess with the folly floater.
m,
agree on both accounts. no doubt that every contender is thinking about halladay.
and victor martinez makes way too much sense for the sox. so much sense that it bothers me that i actually spent time thinking about it. he’d be the perfect addition to their lineup. move youkilis over to third if lowell’s hip still gives him trouble, play martinez at first and catcher on days when varitek gets a day off.
if that happens, i’m going ot be angry for being a reverse jinx
**Jon Heyman of SI.com hears the Blue Jays have told the Yankees and Red Sox they’re unlikely to trade Roy Halladay within the AL East and haven’t even returned a call the Yankees placed about Halladay over a week ago. That leaves the Phillies and, now, the Dodgers as frontrunners to acquire the Jays ace.
IMO the Dodgers are out before it even starts, the Giants are never going to let that happen.
About the only one privvy to what Cashman is thinking is Hal Steinbrenner.
The Jon Heymans, Joel Shermans et al of the world have no clue what Cashman has in mind.
His strategy of dealing with other GM’s is as cool as the other side of the pillow.
He waits until the last minute to pull the pin on his hand grenades.
17. Austin Jackson: A five-tool center fielder in Triple-A, Jackson could be a pivotal player for years to come if he continues his development.
IF
“IMO the Dodgers are out before it even starts, the Giants are never going to let that happen.”
Brandon, are you saying the Giants would try to acquire Halladay to keep him from going to the Dodgers? Who do you think they’d be willing to part with? I always felt the Giants were definitely a dark horse in possibly making an overture at acquiring him, but don’t know much about their farm system
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Mike RI
July 17th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Cashman called on Halliday . But the Jays haven’t called back in 10 days. take it for what its worth
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I think that means nothing. The trade deadline is 2 weeks away. The Jays are still fielding offers and know the Yankees are interested. Nothing serious will be known or done for at least a week
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At least he called. The Post was ripping Minaya for not making one call regarding Matt Holliday’s availability.
**Jon Heyman of SI.com hears the Blue Jays have told the Yankees and Red Sox they’re unlikely to trade Roy Halladay within the AL East
If the Jays make the other team take on Wells’ contract, that leaves only one team in the mix – Yankees.
“At least he called. The Post was ripping Minaya for not making one call regarding Matt Holliday’s availability.”
Does the Post realize Omar Minaya has absolutely no trading chips? Unless they think Angel Berroa secretly found the fountain of youth and is capable of hitting 40 home runs now
I am very shocked they would allow football to be played at the stadium. For a team that would get all anal if someone stepped on the grass that shouldn’t this shocks me.
Yah, the Giants aren’t some kind of juggernaut that can dictate the trade market or anything.
Wishful thinking there. As if Jonathon’s no hitter’s going to make him the starting pitching piece that goes toward Toronto.
I don’t know, it comes down to Doc imo. Sort of like the Kevin Garnett deal.
oh boy. Some Met fan called up and said Jobber for Jose Reyes. As a Yankee fan no way in hell would I even consider for a second doing that trade.
I am very shocked they would allow football to be played at the stadium. For a team that would get all anal if someone stepped on the grass that shouldn’t this shocks me.
Jen—-
Comes down to money !
“At least he called. The Post was ripping Minaya for not making one call regarding Matt Holliday’s availability.”
I don’t think the Mets can afford Holliday (I almost typed Halladay since Hallday fever has gone on here so long). Mets ownership is broke, broke, broke.
I think the Mets are in real trouble. I would not be surprised one bit if they start breaking up the core of the team by start of next season. Specifically the big contract guys first
Ramey
July 17th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
“At least he called. The Post was ripping Minaya for not making one call regarding Matt Holliday’s availability.”
Does the Post realize Omar Minaya has absolutely no trading chips? Unless they think Angel Berroa secretly found the fountain of youth and is capable of hitting 40 home runs now
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Not to mention they are broke
“Brandon, are you saying the Giants would try to acquire Halladay to keep him from going to the Dodgers? Who do you think they’d be willing to part with? I always felt the Giants were definitely a dark horse in possibly making an overture at acquiring him, but don’t know much about their farm system”
There’s early talks of Sanchez/Bumgardner + a few lower prospects. The Giants have the big pieces, they need offense but they definitely would block Doc from going to the Dodgers. It’s WW3 vs those two teams, I would bet anything that JP is cornering the Cali market LAA vs LAD vs SFG.
I am so tired of hearing what a top flight org the Angels are. Exactly how many WS’s have they won?
Just beause the Giants Dodgers Phillies or Yankees have the pieces .. really means nothing . It comes down to whether Doc wants to pitch for them.
“If the Jays make the other team take on Wells’ contract, that leaves only one team in the mix – Yankees.”
They won’t, that’s a ransom to us. And No we’re not taking Vernon Wells. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.
“I am so tired of hearing what a top flight org the Angels are. Exactly how many WS’s have they won?”
More than us in the past 9 years…
jennifer
July 17th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I am so tired of hearing what a top flight org the Angels are. Exactly how many WS’s have they won?
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None since 2002
#2 Cashman–is anyone else tired of all the double speak this guy pushes–”we want to get younger” then sends two young, energetic guys like Pena and Cervelli to AAA and keeps a weak hitting Molina and a weaker hitting Ransom–Passes on Santana in favor of Hughes, then when Hughes starts to pitch well relagates him to the pen–don’t forget the Kei Igawa and Pavano deals–the team of the 90’s that won it all were not built by Cashman–so far on his watch what are the results!
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 17th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
“If the Jays make the other team take on Wells’ contract, that leaves only one team in the mix – Yankees.”
They won’t, that’s a ransom to us. And No we’re not taking Vernon Wells. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.
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Brandon, did you stamp your feet when you said that? It sounded like you did
Ramey,
The Giants will inevitably fail.
Now, if THEY trade for Halladay, it might be another story
I highly doubt that SF will do much in the playoffs with that offense. Now, if they trade for a real bat, they could do some damage if they get that Wild Card which is possible.
But think about Halladay and Billingsly atop that rotation with THAT offense.
“Just beause the Giants Dodgers Phillies or Yankees have the pieces .. really means nothing . It comes down to whether Doc wants to pitch for them.”
Oh please, the Giants might make the playoffs, the Dodgers are sure in position so is Philly. Doc doesn’t have much to do w/ this decision unless he’s blocking a trade to the Pirates or D-Backs.
I highly doubt the Yankees would take on Wells’s contract with all the OFs we have on top of Halladay’s salary.
If the Jays eat some of Wells’s contract and lower their prospect demands, then maybe something can happen.
Jennifer-
Football will be played in the off season thus not impacting the grass during the season
“#2 Cashman–is anyone else tired of all the double speak this guy pushes–”we want to get younger” then sends two young, energetic guys like Pena and Cervelli to AAA and keeps a weak hitting Molina and a weaker hitting Ransom–Passes on Santana in favor of Hughes, then when Hughes starts to pitch well relagates him to the pen–don’t forget the Kei Igawa and Pavano deals–the team of the 90’s that won it all were not built by Cashman–so far on his watch what are the results!”
Ed seems a little bitter. Does Cashman owe you money or something? He sent Pena down so he could learn another position and sent Cervelli down because Molina is a proven commodity and Cervelli has only seen success for 2 months.
Igawa was a poor decisions, but dont’ kill him for signing Pavano. The Red Sox offered Pavano more money, but he chose to sign with us instead. It’s not like the Yankees were the ONLY team after him
Brandon
Oh please, the Giants might make the playoffs, the Dodgers are sure in position so is Philly. Doc doesn’t have much to do w/ this decision unless he’s blocking a trade to the Pirates or D-Backs.
Just making the point that the decision is in Docs hands. We have no clue what team he may or may not want to play for.
“But think about Halladay and Billingsly atop that rotation with THAT offense.”
It means Joe Torre gets another ring this year and probably another one next year, barring injuries
1. Alex Rodriguez: Whether you love him or hate him, you pay attention to what he does TO YOUR BLOG. He has a staggering 8.5 THOSAND BLOG HITS PER DAY AND THE Yankees LOHUD BLOG seem to rise and fall as he does. Look at this way, THIS BLOG WAS WAY BEHIND FEINSAND AND KEPNER without him, and 14 THOUSAND HITS over with him this season. I LOVE AROD!
I find it hard to believe that JP would be that rude and not even make a courtesy return call…….that’s ridiculous.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....179777.htm
Joel Sherman trying to knock down Roy’s price?
I think the Mets are in real trouble. I would not be surprised one bit if they start breaking up the core of the team by start of next season.
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Mike Francesa’s dream would come true if they did that.
That is, Heyman is ridiculous. GMs need to deal with each other all the time – unless JP hates Brian personally, there’s no way he didn’t return the call. Heyman is bipolar with his daily Halladay updates.
I agree with the premise that Doc has the hammer with his NTC, but we have no idea whether his list of acceptable contending destinations is large (thus encompassing multiple teams in the NL West) or narrow (Phillies, AL East contenders).
We also have no idea whether Mr. Halladay has a very strong preference to go someplace that he knows can and likely will sign him to an extension or whether he would be willing/happy to go someplace and “go for it” while playing out his current deal.
We know the Doc is willing to leave Toronto; beyond that there is just speculation.
DT – OPPC member
July 17th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
“Luis Arroyo and Marshall Bridges in the early ’60s. It was just a collection of junk until Sparky Lyle came along.”
Jack Aker, Lindy McDaniel and Steve Hamilton were ok.
Careful GB – Don’t mess with the folly floater.
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Two games that I remember most about Lindy McDaniel was coming in to pitch in relief of Stottlemyre trailing 1-0, the score gets tied, and hitting a 9th inning homer off of Mickey Lolich for the lead and then an unearned run ties the score. The other was him coming into a game in the first inning and pitching 13 innings. Allowd one run and got the win on a 14th inning homer by Horace Clarke…again, against Detroit.
Doc will go to the Phillies or nobody.
Rebecca, I think your focus should be on HOF’ers or even high end draft picks. Your results will be skewed with people who had to prove themselves in the minors before getting a call up. To me, that would be the only reason a guy doesn’t have a lot of innings in MiLB. Joba was blowing through the competition at every level and was brought up because of it. They broke him in as a reliever because that was the need at the time. Since Day 1, he was projected as a starter.
“Mike RI
July 17th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Cashman called on Halliday . But the Jays haven’t called back in 10 days. take it for what its worth”
Can’t imagine Ricciardi blows off the Yankee GM. Not big league GM Protocol at all. Even if it’s to tell Cash that he’s not ready to talk or that he’s looking at a different kind of deal or whatever, GMs return each others’ phone calls.
Nick,
None of us really know anything. But that doesn’t stop us from speculating.
According to MLBtraderumors, Doc is on the record saying he wouldn’t mind pitching for the Yanks
Murphy, we discussed this earlier. Hal is more of a businessman than thank his father, who would do anything to win, (not that Hal hasn’t spent money, but there’s obviously a limit). I would rather have the Yankees not get Halladay because of the cost in prospects, not $$$ – sort of frustrating.
That said, how does Joel Sherman know that Cash didn’t tell JP to get back to him when he’s nearing a final decision? Cash and co. could be deliberating on Doc at this very moment and Sherman would have no clue. A lot of that article is speculation based on the fact that Cash did have to wheedle Hal to spend the $$$ on Tex.
Nick in SF in Apple Valley, CA-
Apple Valley sounds like a beautiful place. What’s it like there???
Great list Pete.
But I think it’s going to take a lot more than just reaching playoffs for Joe G. to keep his job. If they put a bagel up in the first series, he’s gone. If they lose to Boston in the ALCS, he’s gone. If he brings in Jeff Weaver in the 7th inning of a tied game 4 of the World Series, he’s done.
I can’t get the link, but apparently there are quotes in George King’s column today where a Yankee exec said their chances of landing Doc are zilch because the Jays are asking way too much. Per an AL scout, they are asking for the Yankees’ “untouchables”. No surprise – they’ll end up taking less from the Phillies very likely (still think Sox are serious – why else would Bucholz be starting against them tonight?). Word has it that Doc doesn’t want to hit – so that would throw the NL out, but it’s not like he’s told the Jays to forget looking into NL teams…..
Why is that little tidbit about Ricciardi even news?
Unless someone got a hold of Ricciardi’s calls from the phone company, nobody knows what really happens.
It’s not surprising in the least if he hasn’t called, but he might be if he wants to sweeten the pot.
“According to MLBtraderumors, Doc is on the record saying he wouldn’t mind pitching for the Yanks”
Welcome to last week, you’ll like it here. Also news flash, the Yankees got swept by the Angels and Michael Jackson died.
I could have just written “what Mike RI said”.
1. The Yankee Fans: We pay the bills and foot the money to put such a great team on the field and grand stadium to play the games.
2. Mo: A majority of the games would not be won without #42.
3. (Tie) C.C. / A.J./ Wang/Andy/#5 Hughes
4. Alex: He plays D & hits the bombs. I believe this post season will be his for the taking.
5. Jetes: Leadership Nuff said.
6. Bullpen: Bruney, Coke, Joba etc.
7. Hank or Hal Steins. Thanks for using our money to build the team.
8. Girardi
9. Cashman
10. The minor league system director and talent evaluators. Yankees can’t live on money alone.
This was fun!!!!!!
“Welcome to last week, you’ll like it here. Also news flash, the Yankees got swept by the Angels and Michael Jackson died.”
And I’m still Awesome !
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 17th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
“Welcome to last week, you’ll like it here. Also news flash, the Yankees got swept by the Angels and Michael Jackson died.”
And I’m still Awesome !
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:Gags:
“Can’t imagine Ricciardi blows off the Yankee GM. Not big league GM Protocol at all.”
Heyman’s piece doesn’t say he does. Ricciardi spoke with Cashman, heard his interest and that was that. If he’s not compelled to deal him within the division, we can assume that’s why the parties have not spoken since.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 17th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
“Welcome to last week, you’ll like it here. Also news flash, the Yankees got swept by the Angels and Michael Jackson died.”
And I’m still Awesome !
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And then, you woke up.
4 hours and 10 minutes until Yankee Baseball!!!!!
(Because Erica lives in a world without rain delays)
betsy:
I’d go so far as to say all of that Sherman article is speculation. But it’s interesting. The “too expensive” tune was played when Teix was still on the market and they coughed up the money anyway. Still, Teix only cost money, not current prospects.
It could very well be that Cash asked Ricciardi to call him last so he could try to beat the best other deal JP gets. The pressure’s on JP to get the most he can for Roy. If he doesn’t want Yankee prospects, that’s on JP. Nothing Cash can do to force him, and Cash is not going to bid against himself.
In all fairness to Sherman’s article, the Yankees do have a history of bidding against themselves.
Not to name names, but umm.. A-Rod anyone?
Not as awesome as Dan Haren.
“4 hours and 10 minutes until Yankee Baseball!!!!!
(Because Erica lives in a world without rain delays)”
At least you took my suggestion
Dr. Cox
July 17th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
“According to MLBtraderumors, Doc is on the record saying he wouldn’t mind pitching for the Yanks”
Welcome to last week, you’ll like it here. Also news flash, the Yankees got swept by the Angels and Michael Jackson died.
It was in response to Nick who said that no one knew where he would ok. Maybe you should read the posts above you before posting.
Erica: Apple Valley does not look as it sounds. It’s dry and hot here (101 at the moment) and I have yet to see an apple anywhere (the Applebees doesn’t count).
This place has more of a New Mexico/southwestern feel to it than anyplace I’ve ever been in California. I think Roy Rogers/Dale Evans made movies/tv shows here, one of the big roads is called the Happy Trails Highway.
All things being equal, I’d rather be swimming with the pigs in the Bahamas.
“And then, you woke up.”
And she told me I was Awesome
“Not as awesome as Dan Haren.”
Yes more awesome than him.
“In all fairness to Sherman’s article, the Yankees do have a history of bidding against themselves.
Not to name names, but umm.. A-Rod anyone?”
Obviously it’s all speculation and rumor on my part since I don’t get to go to Yankee top brass meetings
but a lot was written about the A-Rod deal being Hank’s masterpiece. To me that’s not really The Yankees bidding against themselves, that’s Hank being Hank.
no team in baseball will pick up vernon wells contract, none including the yanks you people are dreaming. he is untradeable ask theo epstein how that lugo signing is working out.
he gets $9 mill a yr and will be waived today. again clowns the economy is terrible if you think baseball clubs don’t feel it you are clueless.
IF is the paramount word for all prospects, that has not changed in 100 years if they are yankee prospects or other teams prospects … ajax may be a superstar or he may be henly meulens no one knows…………………….
murphydog-
Hank being Hank is a bigger headache than Manny being Manny. LOL
Did you ever wish you could be a fly on the wall during these intense baseball meetings? Nothing fascinates me more than the annual winter meetings. I wish I was a GM
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 17th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
“And then, you woke up.”
And she told me I was Awesome
“Not as awesome as Dan Haren.”
Yes more awesome than him.
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ray’s (sox fan) attack poodle, Princess is more awesome than you are.
“Did you ever wish you could be a fly on the wall during these intense baseball meetings? Nothing fascinates me more than the annual winter meetings. I wish I was a GM”
An ex-girlfriend of mine works for a major league baseball team and she got to attend the winter meetings last year and she said that Brian Cashman and Doug Melvin were the two nicest and most approachable people she ever met in her life when they weren’t doing business
Like clockwork. Stuart gets his 2:45 medication, gets on the blog and calls everyone a clown. You da man, Stu!
anybody wan’t to take a crack at the lineup
jeter
damon
tex
arod
posada
matsui
cano
hinske
gardner
“Like clockwork. Stuart gets his 2:45 medication, gets on the blog and calls everyone a clown. You da man, Stu!”
Don’t forget clueless too!
I’m guessing but, do teams release these guys with humungous contracts to claim a loss? Is it considered a loss? If it is, that is huge tax break. If you aren’t getting value out of a player you might as well recoup some of it with releasing them.
Erica, I wrote a response about Apple Valley but it’s stuck in the filters (?). Hopefully it’ll show up later. It’s 101 degrees outside and dry. That’s what it’s like right now.
DB: understood. I know the Yanks are on Doc’s ok list, what I meant was, we don’t know if his list also includes fringier teams like the Giants.
“ray’s (sox fan) attack poodle, Princess is more awesome than you are.”
The saliva I spit from time to time is more awesome than that little …..
Sure bru, here is my guess:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
FYI, they are facing a lefty, it’s highly doubtful they will bat 4 lefties in a row like you have there.
Ramey
July 17th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
“Like clockwork. Stuart gets his 2:45 medication, gets on the blog and calls everyone a clown. You da man, Stu!”
Don’t forget clueless too!
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He waits until it’s night time to bring out the heavy stuff, like “moron”, “jerk”, “genius” and “Einstein”. The day time shift on the blog isn’t worth these pearls.
Sources tell me that Brandon is NOT, in fact, awesome.
Ramey
July 17th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
“4 hours and 10 minutes until Yankee Baseball!!!!!
(Because Erica lives in a world without rain delays)”
At least you took my suggestion
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Yes, I think I had to. Because I would rather attach that disclaimer than have people thinking I believe that Yankee Stadium suddenly magically sprouted a retractable roof.
steve b nice post. btw do you read any of them? the one’s that think the yanks are going to get wells for about 5 more years just so they can get halladay for 1 to 3 years…
there are many posts that think the yanks are going to blow
$90 mill on wells for years so they can get anywhere from 15 to 75 starts from halladay. they think the yanks print money and have endless resources. you know the 18 to 25 year old spoiled yankee fan, the people just like you steve……………
“He waits until it’s night time to bring out the heavy stuff, like “moron”, “jerk”, “genius” and “Einstein”. The day time shift on the blog isn’t worth these pearls.”
Should we all spring for a thesaurus so he can get newer material?
DB:
In the case of Lugo, they weren’t getting value out of the player while he was there. I don’t think releasing him gets them out of that. Some contracts have insurance that partially covers a team in case of injury.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME !
July 17th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
“ray’s (sox fan) attack poodle, Princess is more awesome than you are.”
The saliva I spit from time to time is more awesome than that little …..
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LMAO. afternoon, Ray. Do you think that Theo would take Hughes, Chamberlain and Montero for Lugo? Or, will the Yanks need to toss in a little cash to sweeten the pot?
Ramey, No money owed here although I wouldn’t mind a refund on the new ticket prices–seems like you to have fallen for the Cashman spin–Since Pena went to AAA all but 1 game played at SS–as for Molina let me know what you think after he bats his usual .200 and can’t score from 2nd base
in a close game!
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
nice
Nick in SF in Apple Valley-
Does that meam there are no apples in Apple Valley??? What an unfortunate misnomer. I was picturing wonderful green fields and apples everywhere. But some to think of it, California is not known for its apple production
did not know a lefty was going
“Yes, I think I had to. Because I would rather attach that disclaimer than have people thinking I believe that Yankee Stadium suddenly magically sprouted a retractable roof.”
Maybe an architect handed randy levine three magic beans and it happened? I mean you never know. i didn’t take 5 years to graduate from college for nothing, i’m putting my degree to use with wonderful notions such as that
“Sources tell me that Brandon is NOT, in fact, awesome.”
Heyman twitters that Brandon’s decidedly ordinary.
insurance only can be used to pay a players salary when there is a injury.
the lugo money is called an expense on the sux books, and there is no special writeoff for a waived players salary. they eat all 13 mill and get noting in return..
steve b and ramey took the same accounting clas together in 3rd grade last year….
I am so excited that there will be game thread in about 30 minutes. Maybe Pete will take pity on us and put it up early.
Pete….
Ed,
While it is painful to watch Molina run (i swear he’s actually gained another 10 – 15lbs since he got injured), he is a proven backup catcher. Cervelli, while he played terrific and was an absolute joy to watch, is still a young player, he’d go through a learning curve and have some ups and downs. If he’s only playing once a week, it could make his downs last longer. Just my opinion on the matter
wfan saying it has been a full year that andy pettitte has not been andy pettitte.
lol
imposter.
“steve b and ramey took the same accounting clas together in 3rd grade last year….”
I am a CPA. And I have suffered through more accounting classes than you folks care to hear about. I don’t remember baseball economics being covered. Maybe that was a class I would have paid attention in rather than scribbling.
Although, Stuart- not to nitpick but judging my the typos in your post, you may have benefitted from a few more english classes
“insurance only can be used to pay a players salary when there is a injury.
the lugo money is called an expense on the sux books, and there is no special writeoff for a waived players salary. they eat all 13 mill and get noting in return..
steve b and ramey took the same accounting clas together in 3rd grade last year….”
I never said that the Yankees WERE going to trade for Wells or anything. I simply don’t think it’s necessary to call those who are discussing it clowns.
And I’ll have you know i was an accounting major for 4 years and worked in the field for 5…i’m at least a 6th grade level in accounting
If Pete posts the line up at 3:45, how long until someone complains about it??
I say 3:47
Stuart:
I read your post again. Once I added a couple verbs, it really made sense. I agree Wells will never come to the Yankees. Doesn’t make sense and Hal won’t hang the expense.
FWIW, most people were talking about taking on the more palatable contract of Rios, as part of a Halladay deal, moreso than Wells’.
“If Pete posts the line up at 3:45, how long until someone complains about it??
I say 3:47″
I’m taking the over and saying 3:49
getting very cloudy in ct.
looks like a double header tomorrow
Steve B
July 17th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
DB:
In the case of Lugo, they weren’t getting value out of the player while he was there. I don’t think releasing him gets them out of that. Some contracts have insurance that partially covers a team in case of injury.
Boston is on the hook for his whole salary unless he signs with another team. Then, Boston will be on the hook for all but the pro-rated league minimum.
My question is, why would a team do that? If they got to pay it anyway, wouldn’t they just keep him and try to build his value back up? The only reason I can think of would be if it’s claimed as an operating loss with the normal tax break involved.
Pete, do you know the answer to this? It seams like a current trend with MLB teams and exorbanant contracts with players not living up to them.
breezy also
rain is a coming
I believe it is a two team race between the Giants & Yankees as they are the only two who might take Wells. Rumors of Dodgers will up SF ante and likewise Boston the Yankees. SF could use Wells & Rios and Halladay is kind of a welcome extra. LOL! The Yankees could use Halladay of course and who couldn’t, and we know the Yanks need another HR hitting OF for next year which might cost even more than Wells. Bay/Manny/???
Five more players from the DSL get 50 game suspensions. Somebody down there needs to let these kids know that they are now checking.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....;fext=.jsp
bru,
where in ct do you live? i live on the western side on the ny border and its pouring here already
Which will happen first
Tomko DFA
Ransom DFA
Brandon’s Awesomeness DFA
bru
July 17th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
breezy also
rain is a coming
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Does your hip hurt or something?
I’ll parlay that wager for a 2:1 payout and say the first post.
The Awesomeness that is Brandon can not be contained nor bashed by a mere mortal blog.
DB:
He’s a 35 year old shortstop who can’t move. He’s occupying a spot on the 25 man that could otherwise be occupied by someone who can move. There’s no building up a guy like that. If he’s young, like a Francouer or something, then maybe. But at 35, it ain’t happeing.
He helps them more not being on the team at this point.
No idea how that stuff is handled tax-wise. I stopped cheating off Ramey in accounting class in 5th grade, and it really cost me. I can’t imagine they’d catch some sort of break, but I really don’t know.
Erica – always OPPC
July 17th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
If Pete posts the line up at 3:45, how long until someone complains about it??
I say 3:47
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I’d say around 3:25 PM. Some of these people don’t like waiting in line.
Tarheelyank
July 17th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Which will happen first
Tomko DFA
Ransom DFA
Brandon’s Awesomeness DFA
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Oh, this is easy. Definitely Brandon’s “awesomeness”.
In fact, I DFAed it LONG ago :gags:
DB
The roster spot Lugo is taking up has value. To keep him in the spot makes them not only lose money, but a spot that could be better used.
#2 brian cashman
here’s the problem.
obviously the gm of any team is one of the most important positions of the team.
you have to have a gm.
it’s very much like driving a car. you need a driver. gms to teams are what a drivers are to cars.
a grandma ( or even a great grandpa like gb7) can get the car to the grocery store and bang around the parking lot and make it back home with the groceries.
then you have race car drivers who go 200 mph which almost no one can do.
the importance of being in control of a car or a team is important , but whether the person in control is doing something that very few other people can do is the question.
i do not believe that brian cashman adds any significant talent to the job. i believe lots of people could do what he does. he brings no particular talent to the job.he doesn’t appear to have an IQ over 130. he ’s never played the game, been to law school or business school. he’s not a super sharp ivy league guy. for all we know he couldn’t pass the GMATS to get into an elite business school.
what we know is he rose through the ranks by being a gopher for george. there’s something to be said for that. george was a tough boss and cashman survived him.
that said, he’s been there for too long and is just doing what everyone else in the league does but with more money at his fingertips.
everyone is focusing on their farm systems. this isn’t something cutting edge. cashman ironically is behind the times if anything . he’s been there way too long and the yankees need someone new to “drive” the yankees.
the position of Gm is #2, but cashman is not important to the position.
DB
July 17th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
I’ll parlay that wager for a 2:1 payout and say the first post.
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I would take you up on that, but now that its out there the results could too easily be swayed
Its very cloudy on Long Island (sine we are reporting weather)
Or…
3 hours and 35 minutes until Yankee baseball
(if you don’t believe in the possibility of rain delays)
Brandon
Once you hit the 6th grade get back to us about being awesome! Ok! Because it is a process! DFA Brandon!
Randy L-
The only problem I have with your argument, is that the Yankees seemed to go on an amazing streak after Cashman showed his face in Atlanta
i am in wallingford ct,new haven area.
i better go put my tractor,chain saw & other stuff away then.
getting cloudy & breezy.
ARGGG!!!! I don’t like this lineup.
Ramey
what town??
Poor Brandon-
But I liked it so much better when he imaginary fought John Cena on a weekly basis and then called it a victory when Cena didn’t show up
Whatever it is, I don’t like it.
GreenBeret7
July 17th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
ARGGG!!!! I don’t like this lineup.
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It doesn’t count if it hasn’t been posted yet!!!!
I am just happy we are getting a line up tonight period.
Accuweather says its not going to T-storm in the Bronx until 1 am.
I’m guessing but, do teams release these guys with humungous contracts to claim a loss? Is it considered a loss? If it is, that is huge tax break. If you aren’t getting value out of a player you might as well recoup some of it with releasing them.
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Toronto just released BJ Ryan with 1-1/2 years left on his contract. They owe him the ~$15 million left on his contract. Just like any salary, its a tax deduction…even though he’s not on the team anymore.
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“Two games that I remember most about Lindy McDaniel was coming in to pitch in relief of Stottlemyre trailing 1-0, the score gets tied, and hitting a 9th inning homer off of Mickey Lolich for the lead and then an unearned run ties the score. The other was him coming into a game in the first inning and pitching 13 innings. Allowd one run and got the win on a 14th inning homer by Horace Clarke…again, against Detroit.”
Here’s the box score – amazing (for nowadays) that Lolich went all 12 innings.
http://www.baseball-reference......9280.shtml
Lindy McDaniel going 13 innings – wow. Was Houk trying to impress the Texas baseball coach? Interesting that Billy Martin was coaching the Tigers that day too.
http://www.baseball-reference......8040.shtml
Rain rain stay away.
We need to see our yankees
Sweeney criticizing the Yankees for not being aggressive with Halladay (like the Dodgers, Phillies, etc….). Ooook, Sweeney – give me a break. He JUST came off saying that maybe Cash is lying in the weeds so he’s not used (like he did with Tex).
Game thread up. No line up yet!
“Two games that I remember most about Lindy McDaniel was coming in to pitch in relief of Stottlemyre trailing 1-0, the score gets tied, and hitting a 9th inning homer off of Mickey Lolich for the lead and then an unearned run ties the score. The other was him coming into a game in the first inning and pitching 13 innings. Allowd one run and got the win on a 14th inning homer by Horace Clarke…again, against Detroit.”
Here’s the box score – amazing (for nowadays) that Lolich went all 12 innings.
http://www.baseball-reference......9280.shtml
Well then, I give teams like Toronto, Detroit, and Boston a lot of credit if they are willing to eat that much money just to free up a roster spot.
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Game thread!
Lindy McDaniel going 13 innings – wow. Was Houk trying to impress the Texas baseball coach? Interesting that Billy Martin was coaching the Tigers that day too.
http://www.baseball-reference......8040.shtml
Wallingford CT Rules ! Go to Rosa’s subs for some great subs ! Go Yanks
Murphy, I said that a few days ago – I think Cash did ask JP to give him the last call. Let the Yankees decide what they are willing to give up – then let JP call with the best offer he has and see if the Yankees want to match it.
bru,
i live in the new fairfield, right on the ny border…it looks like armageddon is about to happen here, its already lightning/thunder/heavy rain….and weather .com says its cloudy. they should come to my house
Doc for Joba straight up!
DT – OPPC member
July 17th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Lindy McDaniel going 13 innings – wow. Was Houk trying to impress the Texas baseball coach? Interesting that Billy Martin was coaching the Tigers that day too.
http://www.baseball-reference......8040.shtml
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McDaniel was quite a good pitcher. He had a brother (Von) who should have been better, though. Age 18 and first two games were 4 inning shutout relief jobs, 2 hits, 0 walks and 9 strikeouts. First start was a complete game shutout. Hurt his arm the next spring and was finished.
Nick in SF,
You going to any A’s vs. Yankees game next month?
I hope to head out to one or two.
If you’re going, let me know, we could toast Yankee domination in the parking lot over some delicious adult libations.
Tarantula,
If money is an issue for Toronto, then that is not necessarily something they would say no to. Oh wait, Joba sucks right now.
Holy cow randy, randy with a cashman bash post! Shock and awe!
Very interesting post, Pete. Maybe next time you could note their ranking from last year.
Joba to the pen, just like Hughes. He BELONGS THERE! 1-2 innings with his being able to let it go!!! Fastball, slider!!! Who else is better suited to replace Mo???
When he was in pen, he had his head on straight, now just full of excuses!!! I do think Hughes will be starter in near future!!! Halliday? Doubt it! 32 and still good, but have to give up too much and has NOT done well against RS and Angels!!! Don’t need more of that!!! Wang, don’t get your hopes up!!!