Game 90: Tigers at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 18, 2009 
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YANKEES (52-37)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Pitching: LHP CC Sabathia (8-6, 3.86).
TIGERS (48-40)
Granderson CF
Polanco 2B
Cabrera 1B
Thames DH
Ordonez RF
Raburn LF
Inge 3B
Laird C
Everett SS
Pitching: RHP Justin Verlander (10-4, 3.38).
TIME/TV: 1:05 p.m., YES.
STATE OF THE STRIPES: The Yankees returned from the All-Streak beat by beating the Tigers last night. They trail Boston by three games in the East. They are 14-5 in their last 19 games. It should be a fun pitching matchup today as the teams will throw their respective aces.
COMEBACK KIDS: The Yankees have 12 wins when trailing after six innings. They had 12 all last season.
HOME COOKING: The Yankees have won 21 of their last 30 games at home.
TIGERS DL ZUMAYA Detroit placed righthanded pitcher Joel Zumaya on the 15-day disabled list with right shoulder soreness. The club has recalled the contract of righthanded pitcher Ryan Perry from Triple A Toledo. Perry was 1-0 with a 2.63 ERA and three saves in eight outings for the Mud Hens.
HUGHES THE MAN: You won’t see Phil Hughes today after the two innings he threw last night. But consider these numbers. He has not allowed a run in his last 12 outings, tossing 15.2 shutout innings over the stretch while striking out 19. It is the longest longest single-season scoreless stretch for a Yankees pitcher since Mariano Rivera went 16 scoreless innings in 2006. Hughes has a 0.89 ERA in 14 relief appearances this season.
MO-MENTUM: Mariano Rivera has converted his last 36 save opportunities at home since August 2007. He has saved seven of the Yankees’ last 10 wins.
Josh Thomson is covering the game today. He’ll have updates for you later on.
UPDATE, 12:40 p.m.: Hey folks, this is Josh here. A couple quick notes from the clubhouse…
Joe Girardi said Wang will play catch on Monday. The club will see how he comes out of it before setting any future plans for his rehab. Girardi did say this isn’t the type of situation where Wang will return in two weeks; it’s going to take some time.
Also, Marte is scheduled to pitch today in the GCL. As you can see here, the game was scheduled for 10 a.m. but the box hasn’t been updated yet. Expect word on Marte’s outing soon.
I’ll have more during the game.
UPDATE, 1:08 p.m.: In case you missed it, Cone did throw his ceremonial first pitch to Girardi, who caught that perfect game 10 years ago today. Girardi told us before the game he didn’t know whether or not they’d ask him, but he was eager and willing. Good job by the Yanks putting Girardi behind the plate there.
UPDATE, 1:18 p.m.: The big man escaped a two-on, one-out jam sparked by Placido Polanco’s “double” that avoided Johnny Damon’s glove in left. Not sure if Damon just misplayed the ball or if he lost it in the sun. I’ll have to find out later.
Anyway, we all expect a good pitching matchup today, but both starters have poor career numbers against the opponent. CC enters 13-10 with a 4.69 ERA in 27 career starts. Verlander is 3-1 with a 4.85 ERA in five starts vs. the Yankees, although he did beat them with seven shutout innings on Apr. 27, essentially turning his season around.
Side note: Sabathia beat the Tigers on Apr. 13, 2001 to earn his first big league victory.
UPDATE, 1:40 p.m.: CC doesn’t look particularly sharp — he has already thrown 52 pitches, just 26 for strikes — but give him credit for escaping another two-on situation. He really beared down against Granderson to strand runners at second and third. … That said, CC has now allowed 33 runners in his last 21.1 innings.
UPDATE, 2:12 p.m.: CC continues to skate by. He has put on seven runners and thrown 76 (39 strikes) pitches in four innings, but two double plays have helped soften the blow.
Also, this is one of those days the Yankees look old on defense. Posada has had a tough day behind the plate, Damon misplayed a liner to left and A-Rod could’ve gotten some leather on Gerald Laird’s second-inning single.
That said, no reason to be negative. It’s 0-0. All it takes is a swing or two.
UPDATE, 2:22 p.m.: Forgot to mention this before, but Jeter now has an eight-game hit streak. Including today’s 2 for 2, he is 15 for 34 (.441).
UPDATE, 2:39 p.m.: Topic for discussion — will the Red Sox really continue to pitch Brad Penny and send Clay Buchholz back to the minors? Penny has been worse than league average all season and is being hit hard today by the Blue Jays. Wouldn’t you as Yankee fans prefer the Sox just kept sending Penny out there every fifth day?
Anyway, CC just hit 100 pitches here with one out in the sixth and there is activity in the bullpen for the first time all game.
UPDATE, 2:45 p.m.: CC, David Copperfield himself, gets out of another jam with a couple popups into the outfield. The second out led to applause by the folks here at the stadium. They were pleasantly surprised the noodle-armed Damon kept Marcus Thames from tagging up with the go-ahead run. Knowing Damon, he probably got a kick out of it.
UPDATE, 2:55 p.m.: Verlander just hit 100 on that strikeout pitch to Tex. He now has six K’s and one walk through six.
CC will come back out for the seventh. Between Sabathia and Verlander, there’s been a lot of peas thrown today. CC has topped out at 98, Verlander at 100.
UPDATE, 3:07 p.m.: The second clutch late-game homer by the Yanks in as many days. This one was nothing like Tex’s majestic blast last night, as evident by the sadistic smile across the face of Verlander. I’d imagine Verlander thought A-Rod’s solo shot was a cheapie, but, of course, they all count the same.
UPDATE, 3:48 p.m.: Jeter turned back the clock there, going in the hole and catching Brandon Inge at first with his patented jump-throw.
Yanks win 2-1 and will go for the sweep tomorrow. Great start to the second half.
UPDATE, 4:45 p.m.: Here’s some quick postgame news…
— Damaso Marte threw one scoreless inning today for the GCL Yankees. He struck out two and didn’t allow a hit or a walk, needing just 10 pitches to do so.
— Alfredo Aceves told me he had trouble with a hole in the mound when he came out to pitch the eighth. He didn’t want it to distract him, and it led to the delay. As for the ball called on him that Girardi later argued, Aceves said the ump called him for going to his mouth on the rubber. He said he actually wiped sweat off his face and that the ump mistook it for something else.
— Here’s what A-Rod had to say about his homer: “He’s throwing 98. I think he supplied a lot of the power.”
Apparently, Verlander won not pleased. Here’s what Jim Leyland had to say: “I wasn’t sure Marcus’ was going to go out, but I knew that Alex’s would. He’s just so strong and gets a good spin on the ball. Once he got it in the air, especially in this ballpark, I thought that it would go.”
— Mark Teixeira said of Verlander: “You have to put him on the short list” of the game’s best pitchers. “You knew we weren’t going to get many runs off of Verlander,” he added. “For CC to pitch like he did was huge.”
— Sabathia attributed his tough first two innings to feeling too strong. It led to him speeding up his delivery. As the game wore on, he said, he got his mechanics under control.
— Johnny Damon was unavailable after the game. Girardi said Damon almost didn’t start today because he wrenched his back sliding on Friday night. Damon had to undergo treatment before the game in order to play. His back was stiff.
— Nick Swisher didn’t believe his sidestepping had much of an impact on Adam Everett’s ability to field Melky Cabrera’s grounder in the eighth. It was instinctual, and he just wanted to avoid getting struck by the ball to end the inning. “It’s very smart baseball,” Girardi said.
This should be a good one. Battle of Aces.
its funny, doesnt hughes-rivera remind you of the rivera-wetteland combo from the 90s? Its great to see hughes doing well and getting an opportunity to help this team
didn’t joba pitched 24 scoreless inning before lowell took him deep
“wang is at least 2-4 weeks away if no setbacks.
…getting him back will be huge.”
i think this is the wrong way to think about wang. he’s been injured and messed up because of the foot injury since last year.
i think the smart thing to do is not count on him at all and assume he’s not coming back.
this means if one more yankee pitcher goes down the yankees need a starter.
so that’s what they should be doing- looking for a replacement starter rather than basing their plans on the best of all scenarios with wang.
the most likley scenario is that wang will shows signs of progress at times , but never really get back to a sub 5.00 era guy this year.
he’s so messed up he probably should be shut down and started up from scratch again in the minors with 2010 as the goal.
if by some miracle he can contribute this year, it should be a welcome bonus and not a part of a plan.
if yankee management is planning on getting even a solid 5th starter out of wang when he comes back they are making a plan based on wishful thinking.
i would stretch hughes twenty more pitches by giving him longer and longer relief roles to get him up to 60 pitches. he’s close enough to that to be there in a few weeks.
once at 60 pitches hughes could step in fairly quickly if the unfortunate circumstance happens that another starter goes down.
this is a plan that has a much higher probability of success than counting on wang coming back.
Joba has an ok second half
Petite has an ok second half
bruney has an ok second half
Wang comes back and pitches ok
Marte comes back and pitches ok
Is that too much to ask?
frankie yankee-It reminds me more of the Joba-Mo combination.
Is it me or didn’t Leyland leave Zumaya out there way too long last night?
lineup
jeter
damon
tex
arod
matsui
posada
cano
swisher
gardner
does damon get the day off after a rough slide?
posada off after a late game last night & a day game today?
hinske over swish or damon?
i would think girardi want’s posada’s lefty bat in.
predict the lineup.
Rebecca-Zumaya is their Kyle Farnsworth.
Electric fastball, no movement, but they can’t quite give up on him because of the velocity.
Rebecca
I agree. Leland had a look, like there was purpose to it.
Jeter
Damon
Tex
Arod
Matsui
Cano
Hinske
Gardner
Molina
bru:
Jeter
Damon
Tex
A-Rod
Matsui
Swisher
Cano
Molina
Gardner
Zumaya went on the DL after last night’s outing.
Must feel like home sweet home for him since that’s pretty much where he’s resided the last 2-1/2 years.
i can see melky in lf to give damon a rest.
hinske or swish in rf??
both lefties.comes down to matchup.
posada over molina posada is a lefty.i don’t see girardi putting molina in who is a righty even though posada played a long late game last night with a day game today.
look for posada to get a day off tomorrow or very soon.
Leyland was obviously mad at Zumaya and decided to let him suffer through the inning. He’s done that for years. Zumaya with his typical macho exterior and testosterone depleted interior announces he’s hurt afterwards.
I bet there are a lot of guys who with they could throw 95+ with a bum shoulder.
I think it would be a huge mistake to change anything with Hughes. His dominance in the pen is needed at this point in time as much or more than a # 5 starter. The debate about his role in 2010 is inevitable but trying to get him back in the rotation we be bad baseball planning an inexcusable player development.
Three hitters was too many for Zumaya last night. The damage had already been done before he even recorded an out.
molina over posada??
with molina being a righty??
“Is it me or didn’t Leyland leave Zumaya out there way too long last night?”
2 weeks ago, Leyland left Zumaya to throw 53 pitches. That’d be like the Yankees extending Bruney to throw 53 pitches.
bru-Girardi has always shown that he think giving the players rest is more important than playing matchups with pitchers (which says a lot, he loves playing matchups).
Verlander vs Yankee batters:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/bvsp?playerId=6341
Jeter
Damon
Tex
Arod
Matsui
Hinske
Cano
Gardner
Molina
With lots of late inning subs.
Randy I. posted:
“wang is at least 2-4 weeks away if no setbacks.
…getting him back will be huge.”
i think this is the wrong way to think about wang. he’s been injured and messed up because of the foot injury since last year.
i think the smart thing to do is not count on him at all and assume he’s not coming back…
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I agree Randy, lets take the time to make sure Wang is really healthy this time. I, too, would be willing to wait until September or even next season if it ensures getting Wang back to what he was before the foot injury.
bru
Jackson is a righty as well. Posada has to rest one of these games.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 18th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Is it me or didn’t Leyland leave Zumaya out there way too long last night?
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I was thinking the same thing….if that’s a Yankee pitcher, they’re hanging Girardi at noon
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....ankee.html
For the love of the game, please no Swisher today. Hinske can’t be any worse than Nick has been.
Greg D-LOL look at bodhi’s post on the prev. thread and you’ll realize that Detroit fans aren’t much more forgiving than NY fans.
Swisher hasn’t been that bad.
“I was thinking the same thing….if that’s a Yankee pitcher, they’re hanging Girardi at noon”
Everyone’s oohing and ah-ing about Hughes being left out last night to throw 40 pitches, which normally would be okay, but it was monsooning out there.
No one was worried that Phil could get hurt?
Nobody needs a rest one game into the post All Star break in the schedule. this is a game where you check the track records against Verlander to help decide who plays and who’s on the bench. I know this, Ransom is not starting, despite Alex having five putrid AB last night.
Damon is 4-13 against Verlander and Matui is 4-9 so they should be in there. Melky just 1-8. Swisher has faced him the most of any Yankee… 35X with only six hits (.171) but three of them were HR.
The Yanks are 17-5 against the AL Central this season and the Tigers are 4-11 against the AL East, including 1-6 against the Red Sox and Yanks. They have yet to play the Rays this season.
Hey!!!! They can’t possibly make the playoffs!!!! They haven’t beaten good teams either!!!!!
I’m going to be absolutely unambiguous with this assertion: Phil Hughes DOES NOT belong in the bullpen. Firstly, while this is not the crux of my point, forget the ‘he hasn’t been good as a starter junk,’ because, in six of his seven starts, his total ERA was 3.55 with a 1.27 WHIP and a 31/13 K/BB ratio in 33 IP (3.5 BB per 9 IP).
He was FINE as a starter. He was developing, improving, had a couple of gems, and one blip on the radar screen. Now, I’m worried that this back and forth junk could have the same effect on Hughes as it has on Joba and screw him up.
But he has the makeup, the stuff, and the stamina to start, and, as Pete always correctly said with Chamberlain, 200 innings is better than 80 NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT.
If Wang suffers a setback that ends his season, Hughes belongs in the rotation.
Rebecca-Well, they weren’t actually playing during the monsoon.
i can see swisher,melky & posada being off based on those matchups.
jeter
damon
tex
arod
matsui
cano
hinske
gardner
molina
my final lineup.
Tarheelyank
July 18th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Jeter
Damon
Tex
Arod
Matsui
Hinske
Cano
Gardner
Molina
With lots of late inning subs.
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nice
bru-They like batting Gardner ninth for the double leadoff man effect.
Actually when Damon is playing it’s really the triple leadoff man effect.
the matchup stats really help.
posada,melky & swish have not done well against verlander.
matsui has done well.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 18th, 2009 at 10:28 am
bru-They like batting Gardner ninth for the double leadoff man effect.
Actually when Damon is playing it’s really the triple leadoff man effect.
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makes sense.
i’m learning.
Tarheelyank July 18th, 2009 at 10:22 am
bru
Jackson is a righty as well. Posada has to rest one of these games.
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It probably has more to do with Molina catching Sabathia than giving Posada a rest.
Posada got a half day off last Sunday and four full days off during the break.
I wouldn’t think he’d need a rest already after playing one game, especially a guy as tough as Verlander.
“I was thinking the same thing….if that’s a Yankee pitcher, they’re hanging Girardi at noon”
Everyone’s oohing and ah-ing about Hughes being left out last night to throw 40 pitches, which normally would be okay, but it was monsooning out there.
No one was worried that Phil could get hurt?
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the difference for me was that Phil wasnt struggling like Zumaya, he was hitting his spots….he did seem to lose a little velocity in the last batter or two but still hit his spots
This is what I love about these Yankee hitters, they never give up. No matter how far behind they are or how many runners are left on base, they keep going. A sign of a good team.
Pitching needs to step up (Joba and Andy.)
bru-We have three very good leadoff men, and two who are outstanding. That’s a really nice luxury.
Is it me, or has it been awhile since Jeet and Damon knocked one out? I’m really pulling for Jeet to get to 20 HR’s, so he needs to get back into the swing of things a bit. Damon I’m hoping reaches 35.
GF
I agree, but I didn’t want to go there. If you know what I mean
I put Molina 9th because I don’t want him slowing down Gardner.
Zumaya “He said he felt a “slight little pop” in his pitching shoulder on his fourth-to-last pitch, fouled off by Nick Swisher. Swisher then walked, and Melky Cabrera grounded out.”
Ummm. Why on earth was he allowed to continue throwing after that?
randy l -
I agree with you about Wang. He is non-existent until he is really better. That’s the best thing for Wang and the best thing for the Yankees. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. While hurting his shoulder in and of itself is not a good thing, it does allow for a better rehab experience – a better chance at the rehab he should have gotten the first time around.
Rebecca -
I always worry about all the players when they play in the rain. But for some reason, the umpires seem to allow play far longer than I would. Heck, I’d probably halt play at the first raindrop! (That’s one of the reasons my husband says God knew what he was doing when he gave us girls and not boys
).
jeter
damon
tex
arod
matsui
hinske
cano
molina
gardner
swish does not have good numbers against verlander,melky either,molina has better numbers against verlander than posada & posada played late last night with a day game today.
lineup guess:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Gardner CF
Molina C
Posada gets the day off, not because he needs rest, but because CC doesn’t like throwing to him
Gardner gets the start because Melky isn’t necessarily the starting CF
“Zumaya “He said he felt a “slight little pop” in his pitching shoulder on his fourth-to-last pitch, fouled off by Nick Swisher. Swisher then walked, and Melky Cabrera grounded out.”
Ummm. Why on earth was he allowed to continue throwing after that?”
Because he didn’t tell anybody he was hurt until after the game. Even Leyland didn’t find out until after his news conference.
Steve —
I’m going to be equally unambiguous. You are wrong.
Long term, yes I think Hughes is a starter, but abuse such a talent young arm by taking him out of the rotation and then sticking him back in makes no sense whatsoever. Taing the time you need to straetch him out you would end up with maybe eight starts.
It’s just not worth the risk for the improvement he gives you for that amount of activity, especially when you add in how much he can help in his current role.
Ideally the Yanks wouldn’t have botched Wang’s re-hab but we can’t un-ring that bell. Hughes simply must stay in the pen for the rest of the season.
Patrick-Gardner is getting the start because Girardi likes playing him vs. righties.
Giuseppe Franco
July 18th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Tarheelyank July 18th, 2009 at 10:22 am
bru
Jackson is a righty as well. Posada has to rest one of these games.
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It probably has more to do with Molina catching Sabathia than giving Posada a rest.
Posada got a half day off last Sunday and four full days off during the break.
I wouldn’t think he’d need a rest already after playing one game, especially a guy as tough as Verlander.
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good points but posada played late last night with a day game today.
tough call.
molina has better numbers against verlander compared to posada.
i don’t know how small of a sample & molina isn’t close to batting 300 against him i think but posada is a lefty.
Tarheelyank July 18th, 2009 at 10:32 am
GF
I agree, but I didn’t want to go there. If you know what I mean
I put Molina 9th because I don’t want him slowing down Gardner.
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Yeah, I gotcha. We don’t need to go there.
However, if you’ve noticed, Girardi has made it a point to have Posada catch Burnett his last several starts and that’s essentially where this fallacy started with some offhanded postgame remarks by Burnett several weeks back.
It’s nice the Yankees have two capable CF when coming into the year it was questionable if they had one.
If Austin Jackson is ready one of them could be a valuable trade chip. Melky’s play on Cabrera last night was superb and the DP on the line drive wasn’t bad either.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
swish over hinske?
swish does not have good numbers against verlander.don’t know about hinske.both are lefties.
molina batting 9th? not gardner with jeter up next???
bru-Swisher has better numbers vs. Verlander than Hinske. Hinske is batting ZERO vs. Verlander. In 0 AB’s. And he wasn’t able to work a single walk.
Hinske clearly cannot hit this guy. At least Swisher has a BATTING AVERAGE against him…
molina has better numbers against verlander compared to posada.
i don’t know how small of a sample & molina isn’t close to batting 300 against him i think but posada is a lefty.
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Posada is 1-for-7 against Verlander and Molina is 1-for-4 against him.
I don’t think this was a matchup decision.
Speaking of line-ups, I really like Putting Jeter first.
Nothing against Damon, but with Jeter it’s like punching the opposing pitcher in the face from pitch one.
Not that I advocate violence of course.
Hinske is batting ZERO vs. Verlander. In 0 AB’s. And he wasn’t able to work a single walk
how can he work a walk if he has 0 ab’s ??
If Gardner gets on Jeter might swing at the next pitch. At least we know that Molina will give him a chance to run so it makes sense to me.
Not worried about the lineup. Just want to see a really strong 7+ from CC.
gardner plays today for sure and maybe hinske. sit swisher for sure……
posada plays also screw CC if he does not like throwing to posada….to friggin bad….
bru-I was joking.
Hinske has never faced Verlander.
You can laugh now.
lol
lmfao
feel much better.
you got my personality down pat.
Oh, good grief.
Hinske has two career at-bats against Verlander. Two. That’s about as small of a sample size as it gets.
Franco-Oh, I was wrong?
I thought he’d never faced him.
My bad.
I should work on improving my sarcasm.
same lineup as last night
jeter
damon
tex
arod
matsui
hinske
cano
molina
gardner
molina batting 8th puts a righty inbetween cano & gardy.
don’t know if it is a big deal.
its same lineup as last night
Jeter
Damon
tex
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Melky
its same lineup as last night
Jeter
Damon
tex
Arod
Matsui
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Melky
Same lineup as last night?
Well, if it worked last night I ain’t complaining.
everyone’s guesses are off, same lineup from yesterday.
Same lineup as yesterday?
Way to be boring, Girardi.
Then what was all this talk about the lineup?
I thought somebody posted a different lineup from another source?
GF
Bru put up a line-up and we followed like lambs to the slaughter.
we have been trying to predict the lineup.
started it yesterday.
lol
i asked everybody yesterday to try to predict the lineup
patrick the prospect hugger i believe got it right.
somebody then said try to do it again on saturday.
called predict the lineup
Tarheelyank July 18th, 2009 at 10:56 am
GF
Bru put up a line-up and we followed like lambs to the slaughter.
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We sure did. I thought the lineup with Gardner and Molina was the official lineup today.
Shame on bru. Sigh.
Hey Pete, not all of us worship Premier Obama like you do. Please keep him off of this blog. Socialism is not American. Thank you.
“called predict the lineup”
That name is up there in creativity with the toaster (used to make toast) and Candyland (a land of candy).
Giuseppe Franco
July 18th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Tarheelyank July 18th, 2009 at 10:56 am
GF
Bru put up a line-up and we followed like lambs to the slaughter.
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We sure did. I thought the lineup with Gardner and Molina was the official lineup today.
Shame on bru. Sigh.
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lol
no no no.
started having fun yesterday with “predict the lineup”
somebody said play it again on saturday.
Tarantala Morganton-Pete did not worship the Prez, he said he thought he did a great interview with MLB netwrok and a good job at the ASG. Politics were not brought up by Pete.
Can we please leave politics off this forum?
Nobody cares about your ideology.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am
“called predict the lineup”
That name is up there in creativity with the toaster (used to make toast) and Candyland (a land of candy).
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thank you i think.
“Hey Pete, not all of us worship Premier Obama like you do. Please keep him off of this blog. Socialism is not American. Thank you.”
Keep your politics to yourself and if you can’t then go away.
Rumor has it that the yankees had 3 scouts at the A’s Tampa game ??
Mike
July 18th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Rumor has it that the yankees had 3 scouts at the A’s Tampa game ??
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who we scouting?
a reliever?
bailey i think his name is???
Tarantala Morganton
I recognize you. slither back under your rock Tantron.
oh. . i was kinda hoping Holliday . LOL LOL .. just kidding.
I think our bullpen is fine.
Socialism is not American. Thank you.”
stop giving political views then.
“Rumor has it that the yankees had 3 scouts at the A’s Tampa game ??”
I wouldn’t assume it’s about a potential trade when they play both teams in the next ten days.
holliday is a waste.
i think we are fine with swish,hinske,melky,gardner,damon,ajax hopefully soon.
i would like to see him for a few ab.
i still think the pen could use some help but not the end of the world.
if bruney gets better then we don’t need a thing.
the starting rotation scares me.
zero debth with nobody after mitre.
what happens if he gets bombed?
igawa,igawa,igawa.
don’t hurt me.
bru-Ivan Nova after Mitre.
Pete introduced politics onto this blog by putting that divisive anti-American on here. I’m sure all of you lefty windbags would have had a cow if it were a GW Bush interview. He shouldn’t put political figures on the blog. That’s all I’m saying.
Cash is King
any thoughts on who??
“Tarantala Morganton
July 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Pete introduced politics onto this blog by putting that divisive anti-American on here. I’m sure all of you lefty windbags would have had a cow if it were a GW Bush interview. He shouldn’t put political figures on the blog. That’s all I’m saying.”
GO AWAY!
Tarheel, you sound like you need help. Who is Tantron?
“Cash is King
any thoughts on who??”
What do you mean?
Tarantala Morganton-
A) Don’t assume political views. I am NOT revealing mine (I could care less whether you think I’m left or right wing) but my comments had zero to do with my politics and would have been the same if it were Bush.
B) He did NOT bring politics onto the blog but when the President of our country goes to the ASG and appears on the MLB network, you don’t think it should be mentioned on a baseball blog, even if politics weren’t mentioned?
Cash is King
July 18th, 2009 at 11:13 am
“Tarantala Morganton
GO AWAY!
Sorry Cash, I can’t obey your commands.
Pete, shouldn’t it be “Game 90: Tigers at Yankees”?
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am
bru-Ivan Nova after Mitre.
ok but doesn’t he walk a ton???
Tarantala Morganton
you just talked more about politics & your views more than anybody i have seen so far.
he threw out the first pitch in an asg.
i think it might be a tad different.jmo
“Tarheel, you sound like you need help. Who is Tantron?”
Tarantala Morganton = Tantron Willoughby
Go away or I will link your previous posts.
you said:
I wouldn’t assume it’s about a potential trade when they play both teams in the next ten days.
i said:
“any thoughts on who?”
I wouldn’t assume it’s about a potential trade when they play both teams in the next ten days.
my bad i read it wrong
i thought it said i would assume
Tarantala Morganton July 18th, 2009 at 11:12 am
He shouldn’t put political figures on the blog. That’s all I’m saying.
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I do agree with that notion 100%.
It’s never a good idea to mention a politician’s name here because it inevitably leads to bad things.
Just like the mere mention of a business network yesterday got the other side of the political spectrum in an uproar.
I don’t care what side you reside. None of that stuff has a place here and Pete should know better than that.
“you said:
I wouldn’t assume it’s about a potential trade when they play both teams in the next ten days.
i said:
“any thoughts on who?””
It’s what I stated, I think presence of the Yankee scouts is because the Yankees are playing the A’s and Rays in the next two weeks.
In regard to Wang
http://orthopedics.about.com/c.....sfranc.htm
“Healing is complicated in patients who sustain a Lisfranc injury. The most common complication of the Lisfranc injury is post-traumatic arthritis of the joint. Post-traumatic arthritis mimics degenerative arthritis, but its course is accelerated because of severe injury to a joint. This can lead to chronic pain in the injured joint, and may necessitate fusion of the joint in order to prevent chronic debilitating pain.”
“I wanted to go at ‘em. I can’t stand the Yankees, man.”
Karma is a biatch, isn’t it?
Dude it’s the PRESIDENT talking about baseball
He’s the president, you can’t just ignore him because you don’t like him.
Give me a break…
Nobody has been to the plate more as a Yankee than Derek Sanderson Jeter. Jeter just topped Mantle’s 9871 Total Plate Appearances.
Giuseppe Franco…
Amen brother. How’s the hair care business? lol
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
Yanks prospect throws six hitless innings
Fourth-round pick Warren fans five in fourth pro start
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 18th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Dude it’s the PRESIDENT talking about baseball
He’s the president, you can’t just ignore him because you don’t like him.
Give me a break…
Maybe when you pay taxes someday, you will understand.
Watching Zumaya getting lit up last evening reminded me of his comments in early spring thinking then that those comments would come back to haunt him.
I guess he just didn’t hate the Yankees enough last night.
Tigers’ Joel Zumaya: ‘I can’t stand the Yankees’
http://www.mlive.com/tigers/in.....ya_pu.html
Tarantala Morganton,
Okay, okay. We get your point. Now stop with the BS and move on to baseball or leave.
Tarantala Morganton-How does paying taxes stop him from being the President?
Zumaya is done. He is a sacraficial lamb for Leyland and his pitch count is not managed well. It’s a pleasure to see him fall apart at the hands of the NYY’s offense
“Maybe when you pay taxes someday, you will understand.”
I do pay taxes and I voted
Perhaps you are the one that needs to grow up.
You might dislike Obama but this is a baseball blog and Obama was talking about baseball. Pete can talk about anything he wants, this is his blog.
So why don’t you go cry to mommy about big bad Obama.
Game 89? Wasn’t yesterday game 89?
Actually, come to think, if the Yanks are 52-37, then they’ve already played 89 games. So this should be game 90, no?
“Tarantala Morganton-How does paying taxes stop him from being the President?”
If you keep engaging this person, he won’t leave nor change his agenda.
Cash is King-True.
Tarantala Morganton = Tantron Willoughby
This Guy will use any excuse to discuss politics.
To help you remember he’s the one who said “Rush is a god” or something to that effect. Pete probably banned him once already.
What’s the matter Tantron can’t admit who you really are?
Hey cash, apparently you dont read my posts d0pe
It’s people like Tarantala Morganton that give conservatives a bad name. He should probably just kill himself and rid us of his stupidity.
Hey Tarheel, you are a tough guy but I’m not “Tantron”. You looking to start trouble?
Tarantala Morganton
your gonna get banned for talking politics after telling everybody not to.
i have heard more about politics & political views from you than anybody else in years on here.
Tarantala Morganton-I just don’t think politics should be debated here.
It’s a baseball blog. The Prez was brought up for discussing baseball.
Notice Pete doesn’t post ANYTHING else remotely referring to the President except the parts about baseball.
So my point is not so much against you as to STOP TALKING POLITICS, this is not the place.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 18th, 2009 at 11:34 am
It’s people like Tarantala Morganton that give conservatives a bad name. He should probably just kill himself and rid us of his stupidity
Pete should ban you from this blog. That is way over the line.
Man you are transparent, buddy.
You light on something utterly innocuous, so you can advance your own agenda.
Try working on your subtlety. LOL.
Ignore this person!
“Pete should ban you from this blog. That is way over the line.”
Sorry the truth hurts boss
Usually I’m not a fan of eugenics but in your case I’ll make an exception.
How’s the weather looking for today’s game?
Transparent Tantron Tarantala
LOL. Hey sounds like a new name for you.
Is CC going to win 20 games for us or not? How much does 20 wins cost? He might end up with a record of 16 and 12. Is he worth the money?
Patrick-Okay kill himself does seem a bit out there, don’t you think?
And I don’t even like this poster.
Really, Rivera and Posada chemistry is hilarious.
They need to forget about Yankees on Deck and just let these two let ‘er rip.
Wins are a terrible stat, ERA is far better. Wins are irrelevant.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am
“Pete should ban you from this blog. That is way over the line.”
Sorry the truth hurts boss
Usually I’m not a fan of eugenics but in your case I’ll make an exception.
Pete, ban this neanderthal. Talk about a throwback to the caveman!
“Okay kill himself does seem a bit out there, don’t you think?
And I don’t even like this poster.”
It’s a joke…
Wins are relevant when we talk about Pettite, why not for CC? If NY doesnt win the WS, then I see CC opting out at three years.
Cash is King, the weather in NY is supposed to be beautiful for the next few days. No mention of thunderstorms again until Tuesday.
People come here to talk baseball, not politics.
Stick to the subject, please.
Jeter needs 74 hits in the last 73 remaining games to tie the Iron Horse for the most hits by a New York Yankee.
“Cash is King, the weather in NY is supposed to be beautiful for the next few days. No mention of thunderstorms again until Tuesday.”
Thanks!
Cut the crap and keep politics outta here. If you really need to, go to the mets blog and yap about it. No one is there
Somewhere up top someone wanted to put Wang back in the minor leagues until next season. If I’m not mistaken I believe he would have to pass through waivers if they wanted to send him down. I don’t think he has any options left.
The only Left/Right discussion I want to have right now is CC vs Verlander.
The reason wins are irrelevant for CC is that you could pitch seven innings of 1 run ball and lose.
It’s ERA.
Patrick-Still seemed pretty harsh. All I’m saying, that conversation is over.
Cash is King-IMO the highlight of the year last year (along w/Moose’s 20th win) was Jeet tying Lou Gehrig’s record for hits at the Stadium and then breaking the record in exactly 1 more at bat. That was cool.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
i think whip is the best stat to determine how good a pitcher is along with BAA
“Still seemed pretty harsh. All I’m saying, that conversation is over.”
He deserved it.
I just don’t get Girardi’s hard-on for Nick Whiffer.
bru-WHIP, BAA, ERA, and how many unearned runs you have (anything too far above average being a problem).
Wins are irrelevant.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 18th, 2009 at 11:52 am
bru-WHIP, BAA, ERA, and how many unearned runs you have (anything too far above average being a problem).
Wins are irrelevant.
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i agree.
if a pitcher has a whip of one that is great.
one batter reaching base is almost as good as it gets.
usually era falls in line with that.
you can have a decent era but the league can bat 290 or 300 against you & your whip might not be that good either.
“Wins are irrelevant.”
Want proof?
Bronson Arroyo has 10 wins.
Apart from Mike Francesa, would anyone else like to see Arroyo in the Yanks’ rotation?
paranoid android-But Arroyo is a winner! He is the type of guy we need in the Bronx! I know because Mike Francessa says so!
This is really cool. Check it out…
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....t-yankees/
Anyone else think the Yankees should split up AJ and CC in the rotation. Going CC every fifth day AJ Joba Andy Mitre is rough a rough stretch of three games for the pen.
“Bronson Arroyo has 10 wins.
Apart from Mike Francesa, would anyone else like to see Arroyo in the Yanks’ rotation?”
He’s gone 16 innings without allowing a run.
Steve B-That last bit I didn’t know.
sit swisher and play gardner…
our 7th and 8th hitters are both under 200 with RISP, they suck…
why not play gardner against the righty. use his speed….
Sean-I just saw the coolest post…”Hinske just took Burnett deep! Talk about lighning in a bottle!”
Today I read that and I get this weird sense of deja vu.
bodhi –
Loved the “cap on the toothpaste” part.
I watch that show just to see those two.
“Wins are irrelevant.”
This is almost as nonsensical as saying wins are the best way to measure a pitchers performance.
One of the major ways statistics are now abused in baseball is by making absolutists arguments in the opposite direction of the way the game has traditionally been understood.
We see this all of the time now. And it’s silly.
Wins are a great example. No wins are not the be all and end all of assessing a pitchers performance. But you know what? No single statistic is.
Why is WHIP so great? WHIP is highly dependent on the defense playing behind the pitcher.
So rather than making the accurate argument that says that wins are limited ways of assessing pitching performance people make absolutist statements like wins are “irrelevant.”
Do you think Joba’s win total this season is “irrelevant?” No, it provides some insight into his inability to go deep in games.
There is more to assessment of the game than rate statistics. That’s why context independent cumulative stats like weighted runs saved are useful rather than only looking at things like FIP.
Batting average has become the same thing. How often do you see now the notion that batting average is more or less “useless” because the only thing that matters is OBP or OPS?
It’s not useless at all. It’s limited. All single statistics are limited.
CB-Okay, you’re right. My bad. Wins are not TOTALLY irrelevant.
However, they are a remarkably limited statistic and should be taken with a grain of salt. Didn’t Randy Johnson with 17 games with an ERA over 5 one year?
Lol, Doreen. They are so “married.” Hilarious.
With is win.
It is the longest longest single-season scoreless stretch for a Yankees pitcher since Mariano Rivera went 16 scoreless innings in 2006.
Joba pitched 16 consecutive scoreless innings in 2007 when he was first called up.
“its funny, doesnt hughes-rivera remind you of the rivera-wetteland combo from the 90s? Its great to see hughes doing well and getting an opportunity to help this team.”
I thought that was Joba’s place in Yankeeland? I think that neither reminds me of Mo-Wetteland because Hughes and Chamberlain will be starters.
Rob NY-I think both should be starters BUT…Mo always thought he’d go back to the rotation eventually.
Which makes them similar.
YES Subway Innerview with Kim Jones and Curtis Granderson:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/62837643c77abd24/
I like this Curtis Granderson. Nice guy.
Good point OUR House. I guess I shouldn’t make such declaratory statements as who is going to be where because I’m not in charge. In my limited opinion though Hughes and Joba both have the goods to make it as starters, and not mediocre starters but good to very good starters. Sure Hughes could stay in the ‘pen the rest of his career, but it’s highly doubtful IMO.
Did Mariano the great have a preference starting or relieving?
Rob NY-Hughes and Joba I’m sure will both start. IMO they will have very sucessful careers.
Mo-Well, he doesn’t seem to have an issue with the pen, does he?
True, wins aren’t irrelevant but they are more limited than other stats.
I agree all single statistics are limited but some are much more useful than others. The ‘win’ stat is one of the less useful ones.
“I like this Curtis Granderson. Nice guy.”- Pel
Agreed. I don’t follow the Tigers, nor their players, so I didn’t really know much about him. I knew who he was, and have heard his name on occasion, but didn’t ever see his personality.
From that interview, he seemed like a really good guy.
NY Post has a piece about how last year’s 12th round draftee Luke Greinke has been doing since the Yankees cut him: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....179991.htm
So far this thread has no mention of Roy Halladay. What gives ?
YES Clubhouse Report with Kim Jones and special guest David Cone:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/62838284a6c3e5c2/
I don’t understand why swisher is playing so much? A .240 lifetime player.
“NY Post has a piece about how last year’s 12th round draftee Luke Greinke has been doing since the Yankees cut him: http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....179991.htm”
that Hughes picture, not Luke. shame on the Post getting it wrong.
Is the lineup correct?
The game thread title says it’s game 89, but it’s really game 90. The lineup is also the same as it was yesterday.
“I like this Curtis Granderson. Nice guy.”
Very likable. He’ll go from the playing field to a broadcast booth or studio analayst job the next day.
“The ‘win’ stat is one of the less useful ones.”
That is true. And that was my point.
But one of the reasons why there is a persistent gulf between people who want to assess the game through more traditional means and those who want it to be changed and make it more statistically oriented is because the people who want it changed too often make cartoonish arguments that simply are not accurate.
And these arguments are often 180 degrees opposite the traditionalist arguments and just as extreme.
Wins don’t matter. Batting average doesn’t matter. Strike outs are just another way of making an out, etc. etc.
And then we get the usual, “What are you talking about – wins don’t matter!” etc., etc. The people making those rebuttals are often correct. But they are correct because absolutists arguments are being made on the opposite side.
And it’s a slippery slope from there.
One of the most telling aspects of this has been OPS. The use of OPS now is unbelievably ironic.
For years the whole argument was that batting average was “irrelevant.” The really smart people know that the only things that matter are power and on base percentage – therefore get rid of batting average. OPS is the be all end all.
But OPS make no sense as a single constructed statistic. On base percentage. Slugging percentage. Let’s combine them and poof?
It’s value right now is largely ad hoc – we’ve seen it enough to know generally what a good OPS is. But on a conceptual level as a statistic it is poor. Far worse than batting average from a methodological stand point.
OPS has value – but it’s largely not the value it was intended to have.
And it’s use was driven by the notion that we have to have one statistic that is the gold standard. Not even two separate statistics are good enough (OBP and Slg %). It has to be one. So let’s combine apples and organges into one big conceptual smoothy.
Is Coney going to throw out the first pitch to Girardi today?
Girardi should use Jorge’s mitt and see if they could recreate a little magic for CC today.
YES just did a great piece on Coney’s perfect game………..I can’t believe it was 10 years ago. That moment when he collapsed on the mount is still burned in my memory…..
Gotta love Coney. I am bummed I missed the segment they did on him today. Betsy, was it just clips of the perfect game?
The paper edition of this morning’s NY Post has a picture of Luke Greinke, the on-line version of the same article accompanied by an erroneous picture of Phil Hughes.
Also, Marte is scheduled to pitch today in the GCL. As you can see here, the game was scheduled for 10 a.m. but the box hasn’t been updated yet.
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Marte overslept and the GCL Yankees have delayed the start.
Christina, clips interspersed with an interview…..Coney’s so great.
CB
I enjoy your posts, however the last one, on wins,OPS etc., was as clear as mud. Thereby making your point, I suppose.
Lets go Yankees!
LOL Coney threw a slider to Joe
Go Yanks!
1 away
What the hell was that?
Uhh Johnny lol
at least the fourth weird dive by johnny in left this year????
eeeek Damon ( sorry erica!)
one can only laugh at damon these days…
hahah, what the hell was that. That was actually kinda funny
Polanco is a pest.
he didnt want anything to do with miguel there
Let’s not forget though that CC gave up a SHOT – and now he’s 3-1 on Cabrera. Ok, now he’s walked him…………this is not exactly the start CC wanted. Sheesh.
It would be nice if CC could put people away……
betsy…relax geez
So Sabathia throws 96 mph changeups now?
Sure, Ralphie…..whatever.
RalphieD (OPPC) YES Radar Gun=Terrible July 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
betsy…relax geez
seriously
this radar gun keeps getting worse and worse
good job CC
Too many pitches, but zero runs, I’ll take it.
Let’s hope this is one of those “if you don’t get to an ace early he’ll settle down” type starts from CC.
Come on CC! Gives us a great outing. Hopefully the all star break gave him some good rest.
Something is wrong with Damon. He either isn’t seeing the ball in the outfield anymore or he’s having some problem judging the flight path of the ball.
He’s making mistakes that are bizarre.
Regardless of how well hit that ball was Damon took the entirely wrong route to the ball. He didn’t slightly misjudge the ball. He wasn’t even close.
Good morning, everyone.
Looks like our starters are a little rusty, huh?
Nice to see CC work out of trouble.
Let’s hope that we can get to Verlander.
Anyone have a webcast link to this game so us out of market guys can watch today’s game? I have MLB extra innings but Fox blacks that out too!
Good start captian
why?????? Derek
ooops or not
wow..laird has a cannon
CB….Post concussion syndrome…..Johnny Damon
CB
weird how you say that.
i have been thinking the same thing.
i don’t know how he talked before & am not making fun of him but he does not seem right.
nothing to compare it too though.
if he wasn’t hitting as well as he is i would think so a lot more.
he just totally lost it as a defender.
Why is Jeter trying to steal a base with 3 guys coming up who have hit a ton of HR at this stadium? I understand that a tough pitcher is on the mound, but Damon doesn’t ten dto hit into DP’s and has the hole open on the right side. If you run and get thrown out, you bail the pitcher out from what could have been a really tough inning for him. It’s just a poor decision to run there, especially with no outs.
yankees have been caught stealing a lot lately
Matt July 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Why is Jeter trying to steal a base with 3 guys coming up who have hit a ton of HR at this stadium? I understand that a tough pitcher is on the mound, but Damon doesn’t ten dto hit into DP’s and has the hole open on the right side. If you run and get thrown out, you bail the pitcher out from what could have been a really tough inning for him. It’s just a poor decision to run there, especially with no outs.
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Jeter loves to run. Remember the caught stealing at 3rd a few games ago in the 1st inning after a leadoff double?
CB, believe me – I think Damon is a horror show out there. It’s hard to even pencil him in LF because even on the catches he makes, it’s an adventure. Unfortunately, there’s nothing to be done. You can DH him occasionally, but that means sitting Matsui (which you don’t want to do if he’s hot)…. I was all for re-signing Johnny for a year because he’s still an excellent hitter and a great guy, but it’s impossible now.
Pat M….
July 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
CB….Post concussion syndrome…..Johnny Damon
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When he was with the RS they kept him out of games in Minn. and they said that had something to do with it.
yes gun shows 97 mph changeup…
“Post concussion syndrome…..Johnny Damon”
Good thought. There’s something going on. His legs are fine. He’s hitting the ball fine so how bad could his eyes and/or hand-eye coordination be.
Watching him flail around out there it almost looks like he can’t judge depth or something.
It’s very odd. If it was his range that was falling apart and he just wasn’t reaching the ball that would be one thing.
But it’s not that. He really doesn’t look right out there.
Jim Kaat is broadcasting the Red Sox / Blue Jay’s game right now on NESN.
Verlander is a good model for Joba to try and see if he can emulate. He’s learned that being cute and throwing the ball through the catcher’s glove doesn’t work.
seriously…how do the yankees, with all the money in the world…not have a decent radar gun….i feel like just putting a piece of tape over that section on my tv…early in the year, it was fairly useless, now its just down right horrific…80% of off speed pitches have fb velocity now…
That play at third base was just a terrible decision by Jeter, regardless of whether he was safe or out. You don’t make the 1st out at 3rd, and especially not with 2, 3, and 4 coming up in the first inning against a tough pitcher.
Jeter is a good player, but sometimes he is over aggressive on the bases and at the plate. It’s almost like he tries to force things to happen out there sometimes.
Maybe Johnny should see a doctor…….forget how he is on the field; if he’s still having issues after a few years (when was his concussion?), then that doesn’t sound like anything to fool around with
does anyone have a link to watch the game for us blacked out?
“Why is Jeter trying to steal a base with 3 guys coming up who have hit a ton of HR at this stadium?”
Being a straight moneyball team is the last thing the Yankees need; it’s too predictable.
Personally, I have no problem with Jeter stealing there. Verlander is very tough early on so there’s less of a chance in hitting a Homerun…slugging percentage in the early innings is less than .600. Jumps above .700 later.
Not that it matters now, but Jeter was safe (again). The tag never touched him.
Pat M
Do you know anything about the Area Code Games? A kid from the local HS is going to play in them.
“does anyone have a link to watch the game for us blacked out?”
You have to pay MLB for it.
I’m watching the game here:
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-mlb.php?w=1
darn it
Well it’s not good to just stand around and wait for the long ball either, but you can’t also take unnecessary risks out there. Damon doesn’t hit into many DP’s and had the hole open on the right side. You should give your guy a chance to get one through the hole before you go and try to steal the base.
Laird has the best CS % in the league and Verlander throws hard and has a quick delivery. The chances of you stealing that base are low even if you get a good jump.
if everett does anything here there is a problem with CC
Laura – I’m ready for the second half. Are the Yankees??
July 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I’m watching the game here:
http://www.channelsurfing.net/watch-mlb.php?w=1
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thanks
First pitch of each AB is always up and away for CC.
need a dp
Matt said: “It’s just a poor decision to run there, especially with no outs.”
It’s a perfectly reasonable decision in that situation.
If he gets to 2nd with no outs, Damon can get him to 3rd with less than 2 outs. Damon, with the short porch loves to pull the ball but considering that Verlander likes to throw that change-up to lefties, there’s a good chance that Damon will turn the ball over. If he does though, Jeter still advances to 3rd with 1 out.
It was a calculated gamble that didn’t work; end of story.
A ton of these pitches are up and away.
yes
lets go cc
Matt
July 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
That play at third base was just a terrible decision by Jeter, regardless of whether he was safe or out. You don’t make the 1st out at 3rd, and especially not with 2, 3, and 4 coming up in the first inning against a tough pitcher.
Jeter is a good player, but sometimes he is over aggressive on the bases and at the plate. It’s almost like he tries to force things to happen out there sometimes.
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If you’re going to start whining about everything in the first inning, at least know what you’re whining about. He was caught stealing 2nd base, not 3rd base.
hey guys – I’m about to buy tickets to the old timers game tomorrow. Just making sure the game tickets also allow entry early to the game. Also, what time should I plan on being at the stadium? Thanks a lot
the pesky granderson
You really have to wonder if CC is still feeling something from the arm injury. His control has been very bad his last couple of starts. Even the starts that he was good he still didn’t throw enough strikes and is always 1-0, 3-1.
not Posadas fault for once
Do the Yankees lead the league in WP’s?
He’s laboring mightily out there right now. He doesn’t look good at all.
Getting behind all hitters. Might have to play the Aceves card early today.
Horrible “block” by Posada there. Gotta keep that 2nd run from getting into scoring position with 2 outs.
There’s nothing wrong with a guy who has an oustanding stolen base percentage to try and swipe one early. Personally I’d to see this team hit and run a little more, but aggressiveness is usually a good thing. It was dumb last week at 3B even through the tag was missed, but criticizing this one is just taking advantage of hindsight.
CC is having the same problem as AJ.
Um, no Green. How about you read what was actually being discussed.
That is a discussion of his game against TORONTO. How about you don’t criticize if YOU don’t know what you’re talking about?
50 pitches in the 2nd inning. Nice.
this is really a struggle for CC….good thing we got ace in reserve…
how often do you throw 51 pitches in 2 innings and not give up a run
cc on pace to throw 3025 pitches by the 6th inning…
CC is battling, but it’s not a good sign that we might see Aceves early today with Joba pitching tomorrow.
We need to win the games started by CC and AJ, cause we’re praying for rain the next three days…
bases loaded no outs for the jays
Matt said: “Laird has the best CS % in the league and Verlander throws hard and has a quick delivery.”
Unless Jeter is anticipating that off-speed pitch to Damon. Or they are complacent in their confidence to catch baserunners; sometimes players and pitchers are a little sleepy early in the game and you can catch them unawares before they settle into their game.
Again, just a risk that didn’t work; the Yankees aren’t going to lose the game because of it.
Well it shouldn’t be a straight steal, it should be a hit and run. Laird is a good throwing catcher and Verlander is quick to the plate. You don’t want to give away an out, you want to try to make something happen. Even with Jeter getting a great jump, they still gunned him down, but that’s not bad luck, that’s a good catcher and a quick delivery. You have to know who the battery is.
a lot of angst and negativity on the board over CC so far,
yet he has not given up a run.
24 pitches in the first 27 second total of 51 ,and they keep getting on base.Only a matter of time before they score.I hope CC can make it to the 6th inning.
let’s get a few runs now
vb03 said: “We need to win the games started by CC and AJ, cause we’re praying for rain the next three days…”
CC Sabathia against a pitcher like Verlander isn’t a guaranteed win for the Yankees. Granted the Yankees have an offensive advantage in their left-heavy lineup but Verlander strikes out alot of batters so many there aren’t as many flyballs in play.
Hoestly, the Tigers had the advantage coming into this game.
A win would be nice but a loss wouldn’t exactly be a shame.
is the radar gun on YES accurate? seems high
great play by robbie there…his defense is sooo underrated
Verlander 1st inning 17 pitches,2nd inning 19 total 36,15 less than CC,and HE’S NOT giving up bases.
“is the radar gun on YES accurate? seems high”
yes..its high on many drugs
Okay since when does Gabe Dumas aka “Justin Verlander” throw 97 mph breaking balls??
Am I to question the integrity of gun at YES?
nice job CC…
Very fortunate there. Maybe a chance now to massage C.C. through six innings.
CC will go six inings easily and maybe more if he can have a couple of 8-10 pitch innings like that last one.
“24 pitches in the first 27 second total of 51 ,and they keep getting on base.Only a matter of time before they score.I hope CC can make it to the 6th inning.”
Your not that smart if you think power hitters and slap hitters are going to keep a 24-27 P/IP pace.
really cano the first pitch?
Where’s Micheal kay? and whats the name of the 2 other broadcasters in today’s game? thank you.
just what they need.
verlander to have an efficient inning.
Cano up hacking.
Oh Robbie. Wow.
Brilliant at bat by Cano.
So we are facing an ace, we have worked his pitch count up thus far with the hope of knocking him out of the game, and what does Cano do?
Swings at the first pitch, grounds out weakly.
Duh.
Yankee fan July 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Where’s Micheal kay? and whats the name of the 2 other broadcasters in today’s game? thank you.
Ken singleton, Al Leiter, and there talkin to David Cone
MIchael Kay is on vacation also
you guys are clueless…cano is who he is..he is a great first pitch hitter….hes not gonna change…stop whining and complaining about it…
ty PL
Thanks to Cano for probably buying Verlander another inning in this game and sending him into a groove.
You just can’t make this stuff up. How can someone be so dumb, especially leading off the inning?
9 pitches?
The YES guns are a joke and something should be done about it. Last night was no different. Zumaya came in and threa a few 98 mph heaters and then he threw some sliders and the gun was still popping 98. When Hughes threw some curveballs, it read in the 90′s. It is embarassing. What is going on?
Does Swish ever take a small swing? Like yesterday with guys on base and he swings out of his shoes. Hinske please return soon…
Who cares what Cano hits on the first pitch?
He has to understand the pitcher and the game situation. Verlander is not a guy you are going to hit harder by swinging at the first pitch, he has good stuff and you aren’t going to hit him much either way. What you need to do is build up his pitch count and knock him out early.
Swinging at the first pitch shows a total lack of awareness of game situations. That’s why Cano will always be a good player, but never a great one. He just doesn’t have the baseball smarts.
“Thanks to Cano for probably buying Verlander another inning in this game and sending him into a groove.
You just can’t make this stuff up. How can someone be so dumb, especially leading off the inning?”
seriously…stop acting like a fool, you know cano is not a patient hitter, but he is a good hitter…you are one of the most annoying and whiny people on here…you never have anything positive to say
Why is Swisher playing every day over Hinske? All Hinske does is everything you could ask for, and he’s hit the cover off the ball while he’s been here, while Nick Swisher has hit the cover off his own bat from swinging out of his shoes and missing everything.
When does 2nd half CC show up?
Another team being patient and simply taking pitches against Yankee pitchers.
And why wouldn’t you when you know the starters can’t consistently throw strikes.
Another ball that Posada should have easily kept in front of him. When you’re facing a tough pitcher in Verlander, you can’t miss those kinds of balls. And you people wonder why people criticize Posada’s defense?
Why is Swisher playing every day over Hinske? All Hinske does is everything you could ask for, and he’s hit the cover off the ball while he’s been here, while Nick Swisher has hit the cover off his own bat from swinging out of his shoes and missing everything.
i have no idea but Girardi is a loyal guy and I think he’s playing him because of his tear in April. I cant think of any other reason except he has a high OBP.
Posada really needs to stop getting so lazy behind the plate. It’s almost like he forgets that he has to move his body to block the balls from getting past him. Sometimes he looks like a 40 year old who can’t move back there.
Usually when a pitcher is only throwing strikes you swing at them, this is Justin Verlander, 45 pitches 31 have been strikes I bet he’s also started off w/ strike 1 on all of our batters, so Robi was trying to get an XBH his first time up, nothing wrong there, if he does it in his 2nd AB than rip him a bit.
MaineYankee……Area code games is one of the best showcase for players there is…..The top players are invited to display there skills in front of College recruits and of course mlb scouts………CB, Post concussion syndrome will manifest itself when he runs after a ball….I think that’s his problem, it effects his depth perception……
Sabbathia all over the place. He has no idea where it’s going today.
Am wondering when some folks on here will just sit back and enjoy the game instead of nitpicking criticizing everything. No player is perfect. Would love to see some of you out in the field and see how you do.. or perhaps I should just come to your workplace and criticize every move you make. Some of you folks just suck the fun out of baseball with all your B.S. It’s baseball. It’s a game. It’s supposed to be fun.
That pitch was almost over home plate, and Inge clearly leaned right into it. They need to start enforcing that rule that you have to try to avoid a hit by pitch to be granted first base, guys shouldn’t be allowed to lean over the plate and steal a base like that.
This is going to get ugly soon…You can’t put this many guys on base without it coming back to hurt you…
Another body armour HBP
CC’s treading a thin line…..
Yet another big DP…
Michael Kay’s huge head YES!!!! imiss that guy
somebody is actually willing to be seen w/ Micheal Kaye
Obviously that woman with Kay is not his girlfriend…
HAH!!!
That prostitute with Michael Kay is pretty hot!!
Well done Kay Mouth!!
Can Jeter just hit for everyone in the lineup?
;It’s funny to think of Fox’s “big game” later today the METS v. the Braves. I think maybe Fox should take the Mets off their list. Mets out, umm…..Pirates in? Sounds good to me, they’ve been pretty hot lately.
There is Jetes showing that patience that Matt loves, 2 pitches.
Jeter is an absolute hit machine right now.
What was Swisher against Verlander coming into today’s game? 8 for 35 with 13 strikeouts? How could it hurt to give Hinske a start?
CC’s doesn’t look right. This is a guy who is an extreme control pitcher who has put the ball exactly where he wants it for years.
His arm does not look right. His velocity is fine but his location is terrible and just like last game he keeps missing up. That’s a telltale sign for a pitcher with a tired arm.
And at times he’s overthrowing – which is very strange for a veteran pitcher who’s had a ton of success like CC.
I wonder if he’s having problems with that biceps soreness again and trying to pitch through it.
wow Kay has a gf. That’s great for him!
ok someone else needs to get on base today besides jetes
Wow way to go MK, you do well my man
“somebody is actually willing to be seen w/ Micheal Kaye”
For great free seats wouldn’t you?? lol
I think it’s more likely that CC is just a bit rusty after the long break.
michael kay’s fake twitter cracks me up
yesmichaelkay: Hey fans! That’s right! I’m on vacation AT MY PLACE OF WORK! I have NOTHING else to do! WHO BUT me would you rather punch in the face?!?!
A BOMB!!!!
Come on Alex keep the line moving!
Jeter is just five hits away from tying Ted Williams on the all-time hits list at #68.
I think that was Jodi Applegate (former Fox5 morning show host) with Kay in the stands (if you listen to his regular radio show regularly, he basically asked her out once live a few months back)
Jetes couldn’t tag up, force something ?
it looked deep enough.
can we at least stop swinging at the first pitch? How about a first pitch strike by a Yankee pitcher for a change?
Arod really needed to take some pitches there..He just walked Tex and Arod is hacking away. Makes absolutely no sense.
“Jetes couldn’t tag up, force something ?
it looked deep enough.”
There are two outs; too little advantage in getting to 3rd for the risk of getting thrown out.
“I think it’s more likely that CC is just a bit rusty after the long break.”
Normally I’d agree – and that still could be possible – but he looked similar against the Angels but was even worse.
And he last pitched 6 days ago – so he’s not that off routine.
His arm looked bad in that Angels game as well.
Definitely deep enough to try, but maybe not worth the risk. If that was the first out he goes.
Everyone up there still trying to hit HR’s and pulling off of pitches. These guys need to stop trying to do so much and just hit the ball hard somewhere.
They hit almost 10 points lower at home than on the road, for a reason. They see the short porch and all try to go deep, and even the statistics back it up.
Four innings, about 140 pitches and no runs. Strange game indeed. But Toronto’s up 4-1 !!
There goes the rally, thanks Alex for swinging at the first pitch, and for Chop Suei for coming through with the pop up, at least it wasn’t a grounder to second.
Well that was coming into the last few games before they went crazy with the hits. As recently as the middle of that Toronto series the splits were like .265/.275 home/road.
Maybe you’re right CB, his mechanics definitely look a bit off.
That was a sick change-up right there though
Yesterday during the Yankees Pre-Game I posted this!:
“Mike Lupica has an article about Brian Cashman. It was definitely another negative shot at Cash. I find it funny how this is Cash first year under his new contract that he has complete autonomy and he has stated he wants to make the farm a big priority. Well compared to Omar he has done just that. And here you have Lupica ripping the man once again. I’ve never seen Lupica ever rip Omar. There were 6 articles covering Omar’s reign of terribleness but not one by Lupica. Maybe Lupica should stick to politics. Maybe with the Yankees it is all about Politics. It is apparent that Lupica leans towards the left with his political views which is fine. The fact that he cares so much about how much the Yankees and there owner who happens to be a republican spends is another story. Baseball is capitalism. One day there will be a salary cap fitting the socialist brand of baseball that Lupica desires. But until than he should be a bit more partial and rip the other GM who has completely dropped the ball and has shown nothing to deserve not being fired after this season. Perhaps he won’t to that because that ownership and GM lean towards the left as well. Maybe he is not fair and balanced!”
A reply by Ray VT sought of went against my point:
“Ah, Salary Caps are more Capitalism which is for big corporations and not the employee which is more in line with the R’s.
Lupica is trying to find a base. He appeals to the anti-Yankees (Mets) and he riles enough Yankees that they rip him. In his line of work both cases are good business.”
Now I must completely disagree with your comment. Without getting into politics, please understand the real message about capitalism and socialism and do not be blinded by the big money hungry corporations and the radical leftist thinking folk that love to spend everyone else money. Capitalism is all about companies big and small making a profit. The Dolan’s whom happen to be far left attempted to monopolize cable TV by pushing out Verizon. That does not make them Republican’s or Conservatives. Cablevision attempted to get the government to block Verizon from competing with them. This is a form of fascism. When talking about baseball we are talking about millionaires on both ends, players and owners. Socialism is about parity. Keeping everyone equal and having big government determine how much they can make while big government profits. A salary cap is exactly that as the players would be capped and the big owners would be like the government. That is not Capitalism. Capitalism has no caps. It’s about no caps and a free market to determine what and how much you want to spend. You will have cheap owners refusing to spend under capitalism but those owners will not compete with the Yankees. Capitalism is also not about monopolizing. Capitalism is not about capping what employers make. Its about free market and that employer, (AKA Mark Texiera) can go to a team that is willing pay him more (AKA the Yankees)! Lupica is wrong anyway you spin it!
“He just walked Tex and Arod is hacking away.”
or odds are good he was going to see a FB he thought he could drive.
Sometimes first pitch swinging has bad results without being a bad idea.
Damon just looks shaky to me..maybe its cuz hes lefty idk
Much better approach from CC/Posada this inning. You gotta go right after these hitters with your hard fastball instead of trying to strike everyone out so you can go deeper into the game.
Detroit in each of the last 2 games has shown an inability to catch up to the hard fastball. Just go after them with that pitch.
RUNS RUNS RUNS
“can we at least stop swinging at the first pitch? How about a first pitch strike by a Yankee pitcher for a change?”
The first pitch they are usually seeing that good fastball, Al was trying to advance the runners or gap one in RCF…(thank god he’s aiming to the right)
CC is trying to go after hitters. You Think he and AJ yesterday are trying to walk guys on purpose?
Matt
Please say something positive about anything Yankees.
Good defensive play by Cano?
Nice hitting by Jeter?
Nice DPs to get out of the inning?
Good 1-2-3 for CC?
Something. Anything.
Closest so far you’ve come today is Damon doesn’t hit into many DPs.
“or odds are good he was going to see a FB he thought he could drive.
Sometimes first pitch swinging has bad results without being a bad idea.”
You my friend have played baseball.
Patt like 97 – 98 % of Matt’s post have been incredibly negative, he’ll prbly rip Georgy now for that little line out to SS on a fastball.
come on bats
we have the best offense in baseball.
we have shown to come back every single time.we might not win them all but we are a very tough team to handle.
more so than any other team in baseball.
the rs are the only team that really scares me.
we have been down a gazillion times & always scratch back.
enjoy the game.
we are the yankees.
It’s actually good when Alex swings at the first pitch. He must lead MLB in taking nothing first pitch fastballs right down the middle. It gets him behind on the count a lot.
Verlander is terrific when he’s on and after a walk you expect him to come with a hittable fastball which he did. The strategy was fine, he just missed it.
damn Verlander is on, waits for Matt to rip Robi again
Swisher is just awful right now. Again, just get him out of there and let Hinske or Gardner get a start once in a while. He clearly is swinging from his shoe tops, he needs a “mental day off” as they say.
Verlander is only at 74 pitches. That will get him threw 7 innings, maybe 8. Especially if Swish came up to bat every inning.
Now it’s Swisher
Dude stop being a Yankee fan already.
You got that right Bru!
Matt I do believe you need a “mental day off” as you say. Enough with the complaining about everything.
When Verlander was a rookie he was one of the hardest throwers in the game. His average fastball was 95.
On top of that he had a fantastic curveball.
Despite that he wasn’t particularly a strike out pitcher. He averaged only 6k/9.
He had a terrible year last year – his velocity dropped – his ERA went up to 4.84.
He got off to a terrible start this year. But then something clicked and he’s been lights out since that first game he threw against the yankees. He’s arguably been the best pitcher in the AL since then.
He’s throwing 95 again – but now he is generating 11K/9 – the highest in the league.
Verlander was a very accomplished pitcher coming out of college. His arm might be better than AJ Burnett’s.
And even with him it looks like he’s needed 3 full seasons under his belt to put it all together.
Pitches by inning for CC:
24
27
10
15
13
Struggled in the first two but since then he’s looked good.
So we missed on King Felix (well not really he went Seattle b/c his icon was there)
Miggy Cabrera (someone ought to be shot for that one)
Oh com’on give that out !
CB,
Are you trying to say that we should have patience with our own young pitchers?
Nonsense, Joba sucks and is a bust! I don’t want to hear your logic any longer!
get the bullpen stirring
CC a matter of time,when you give up bases,with 98 plus pitches on that arm.
That was really a bad pitch. 0-2 fastball right down the middle…I would bring the infield in..
Uh Oh
After they score this run what are the odds we lose?
CC can def K this guy here
Holy crap CC just hit 98 then 97 on his 99th and 100th pitch.
Wah wah he criticized a Yankee, he must be a Red Sox fan!
Sorry that you are so biased you can’t see reality. Nick Swisher has absolutely no fundamentals and is incredibly inconsistent at the plate. It’s up to the manager to sit him once in a while if he’s slumping and there are more capable guys on the bench. And not only that, but Swisher has made some incredibly dumb plays on the bases and dropped some routine fly balls.
Sorry that he’s your “boy” because he’s got a cool haircut and has a lot of energy. He still needs to go out there and get the job done or he is just as accountable as everyone else on the roster.
So Verlander is a prime example of why we need to have patience with youngsters………it’s so hard to do when you’re trying to win, though. If Wang wasn’t a problem and Andy wasn’t a problem, we could live with Joba’s growing pains……..but that’s not reality, unfortunately.
As to CC, I hope nothing is wrong. This weather should be perfect for him as he apparently loves it very warm and humid. He’s done a good job battling through 5 – gotta give him that. If the Yankees have any concerns about him, they should get him checked out…….Isn’t it odd that he’s not striking many batters out anymore?
Yea Damon! u see that gun to the cut off man
Marcus Thames – afraid of Damon’s arm.
Wow, I actually thought he would tag on Damon’s arm.
“Are you trying to say that we should have patience with our own young pitchers?”
I’m wondering how many yankee fans would have thrown Verlander under the bus last year and looked to trade him as soon as possible.
I can’t even imagine the comments given how Verlander’s talent wasn’t translating into the kind of performance you’d expect and the significant step back he took last year.
On the flip side I’m sure yankee fans everywhere would welcome Verlander 2009 – though I’m sure they would have wanted him traded to start this year as well.
he’s overthrowing..
Very nicely done
What run!!
Well done Carsten!!
nevermind.
Way to go CC!!!
That’s right, nobody runs on Damon’s arm…lol
Very Dice K of CC there!
CC!!!!! Excellent.
Incredible job by Sabathia today keeping Detroit off the board despite allowing 9 baserunners in 6 innings and having 2nd and 3rd with 1 out there.
CC gets the job done. Wasn’t pretty early, but he’s been solid since.
CC bends, doesn’t break at all.
ACE comes in for the 7th.
Joba better be taking notes. Yesterday Burnett had his worst stuff and still managed a quality start.
Today CC battled in almost every inning but hasn’t given up a run.
wow, great job, CC!
Should we push him for one more inning? I’m not sure how much he has left – he’s worked very hard today.
How are people complaining about CC today? He might have gotten into some jams, but he’s doing his job.
Ok guys go look at gameday for proof that nothing is wrong with CC’s arm.
His mechanics might be off but he is definitely healthy. He was sitting 96-98 on his fastball, that’s insane.
“After they score this run what are the odds we lose?”
After CC shuts the door what are the odds of you going away.
“Marcus Thames – afraid of Damon’s arm.”
I would have so went.
gotta give CC a lot of credit…6 ip of shut out ball when you had no control…hopefully its just one of those random things and there are not ill effects from his biceps problem
When is the Angel Berroa Yankeeography?
CC : 6 IP, 0 runs, 3 hits. Quality start,but, he has labored……..gritty
Okay top 6 in Toronto Bay walks nobody out…
What’s sad is we all pretty much know that the Jays will crumble eventually and I believe it’s just begun.
I HATE F ING BOSTON
Very exciting game! And yet Matt is insufferable.
melky caught the itis
CC dug deep to get out of that mess.RS losing 6-1
Matt
Thank you.
you can’t ask for more than that from sabathia..
no runs.
boston is getting smacked.
they are very beatable.
it would be nice to pick up a game.
CB, fans that throw youngsters under the bus are foolish, but if Joba keeps up his performances, he’s got to go to AAA. I don’t see how that is giving up on him……. How much rope do you give him in the majors when this team needs to win?
When is the Angel Berroa Yankeeography?
lol right after the Brett Tomko episode
Posada catching CC? I thought such a thing was not allowed to occur. Is this the final ‘Pitcher X will not throw to Posada’ myth to fall, or do we still need to hear from Sergio Mitre?
One more inning for CC or Aceves?
“When is the Angel Berroa Yankeeography?”
When we re-sign him then he retires as a Yankee legend that lives in immortality.
“Ok guys go look at gameday for proof that nothing is wrong with CC’s arm.
His mechanics might be off but he is definitely healthy. He was sitting 96-98 on his fastball, that’s insane.”
Patrick,
Question – when you look at the hitters reactions to CC’s fastball – the kinds of swings they are getting – does it look like they are facing a 96-98 mph fastball?
If he’s throwing so hard – which he has been for most of the game – why is he not missing more bats?
The Tigers hitters looked much, much worse against Hughes’ fastball last night then they do against CC’s.
His fastball is hard but it doesn’t have a ton of life on it.
Again, that’s the kind of thing that can happen when your arm isn’t right.
Who was pitching for the Sox today?
Very good job by CC battling without his best stuff/control/whathave you. It’s rough having two guys you can count on to give quality innings – but most of the pen is available for the next couple of games, so regardless of how efficient AJ and CC have been these last couple of games, good job.
“One more inning for CC or Aceves?”
Go to go CC until an XBH is hit off him or a run.
Where’s the jetstream when we need it?
as long as joba is remotely serviceable he isn’t going down.
we have no other pitchers.
zero.
pitching around Tex to get to Arod
Yankees most likely will go to the pen,heaven help us if it’s Bruney,in a 0-0 games,Tigers will score. CC has 104 pitches on his arm thru 6.
Wouldn’t it be funny if that bat landed in Michael Kay’s lap?
penney
Verlander just hit triple digits.
ohhh…Teix wanted to swing at that, he eats fastballs
Sweet_Lou_in_Vermont July 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
pitching around Tex to get to Arod
===========
—NOT
wow verlander is some kinda beat…his last 2 pitches were 99..
“If he’s throwing so hard – which he has been for most of the game – why is he not missing more bats?”
Bad control for the most part.
Of his 4 K’s, two were on fastballs, two were on change-ups. Look at the Granderson at-bat, when he spotted the fastball out on the corner it was unhittable.
He really hasn’t been able to control his pitches that well today. His velocity is fine. Nobody can throw 98 if there is something physically wrong.
CB, I really do think you are jumping to a conclusion too quickly. CC’s mechanics aren’t right so his control is off but I highly doubt there is something physical wrong with him.
“pitching around Tex to get to Arod”
Not so much.
typical tex swings at ball 4, k’s looking. always does that
an Angel Berroa Yankeeography? A showing of his whole life, that’d take weeks to finish
“So Verlander is a prime example of why we need to have patience with youngsters………it’s so hard to do when you’re trying to win, though.”
You’re not appreciating what was going on in Detroit last year.
They were trying to win desperately. In ways that the yankees never have to win in.
Detroit’s ownership and FO went all in to win last year – all in.
They traded away all of their top prospects and laid out millions in contracts for aging players.
The opportunity cost of a bad season last year was monumental for them. In ways it isn’t for the yankees because of their resources.
Detroit needed to win desperately last year.
Wow, CC’s back out there. I have to believe they’ll go batter to batter with him.
WOW Girardi is a moron. Why in the hell is CC still out there?
Bru, thanks……unfortunately, Verlander looks like he can go a few more innings. If the Yankees lose this game, it’s hard to get upset at them – the kid is awfully tough.
CC still in?
cc should be done at 106 pitches.
Sabathia isn’t hitting triple digits is he ? what does gameday say.
prolly waitin for a lefty matchup so he can bring in Coke
Brandon, gameday says he’s sitting 96-97
6 days rest has something to do with it i suppose
“CC still in? ”
No one has hit an XBH off him right now. And he can go up to 130 if he feels good.
Is Joe crazy sending a pitcher out with 104 pitches,and the other team keeps getting on base?
Not sure I would call Girardi a moron, but I would not have sent CC out there. It’s hot and he’s worked very hard today…….
CB, ok – I probably didn’t have enough info re: the Detroit situation. That said, the Yankees situation is what it is and the SP is simply not good enough as is. CC and AJ can’t do it on their own – and the pen will get killed in 3/5 starts. That’s impossible to maintain – the pen looks good now, but keep asking it to do the impossible and they will collapse.
CB is right, Sabathia’s fastball seems to lacks pop….That’s why guys are getting wood on him….Maybe it’s just one of those days and he pitching around it…..No explosion 10 feet in front of the plate….He’s pitching a very good game without his very good fastball
why is girardi stupid for having CC in?…he hasnt given up a run and has gotten better as the game has gone
CC can still get outs but I’d rather Girardi not overuse him.
We can get to Verlander. Patience.
I wonder what pepitone will say about this performance.
Girardi still wants to see if CC can get a win. He deserves it. Eiland must have talked to him before sedning him back there.
Nothing wrong with that.
CC can pitch up to 120 pitches.
YES gun sucks, please get a real one.
“why is girardi stupid for having CC in?…he hasnt given up a run and has gotten better as the game has gone”
Because there’s no point in overusing him.
CC
gutty game by CC, never thought he’d make it through 7 innings
i know the Red Sox are getting pounded but we cant gain a game unless we score
wow cc
i’ll take the lack of pop on cc’s fastball giving up no runs against a good offensive team over joba anyday.
I’m not understanding how the Sox’s rotation is so much greater than the Yankees.
Beckett- great (him and CC will finish with similar stats)
Lester- very good (Burnett)
Wakefield- same ERA as Joba
Penny- 5.02 ERA (slightly worse than Pettitte; both get good run support)
Smoltz- 5.00 ERA/not much better than Mitre/healthy Wang
Seriously, am I missing something? Because to me, it looks like Boston has 2 great starters, a #3 that’s sometimes dominant and sometimes gets lit up, and two questionable guys at the backend. Sounds exactly like the Yankees rotation.
I think we’ll be okay after they take Verlander out…IN THE 10TH INNING??
Very frustrating when you get a gem out of your ACE only to be met with a gem from the soon to be 09 AL Cy Young winner.
Whew 114 pitches and no runs scored,thank You CC.
>i know the Red Sox are getting pounded but we cant gain a game unless we score
If they can chase Verlander out of the game, they might be able to put some runs up.
“Because there’s no point in overusing him.”
he’s had 6 days of rest, it’s safe to say he wouldn’t be out there if he felt wrong. Dude CC isn’t AJ or Wang, or Pettitte or Joba, he’s a legit horse. This is what he does.
this is my fav CC start all year…this was just remarkable considering his pitch count early and his struggles
Verlander lost 17 games last year, FYI.
Now look at him. Even better than he was in 06-07.
I’d still bring Sabathia out for the 8th inning. Aceves against Polonco, Cabrera and Thames is not a good matchup as far as I’m concerned. He may not have the smoking fastball, but, he’s getting big outs.
Great job by CC..Every inning was hard but he hung in there. Hopefully the Yanks can string together a hit or 2. Verlander at 89 pitches. So he is good for the 7th, hopefully if he isn’t a strike machine they can get him out after this inning.
The YES gun has been showing 97 on breaking pitches.
for those of you who wonder why CC pitched the 7th, it’s an old baseball adage of trying to reward a well pitched game with a win. And since he went 1,2,3 in the 7th it was the right decision. Maybe some of you should stop looking at pitch counts and start looking at the way the guy is throwing, you might learn something about baseball.
I disagree Brandon. On a day that he struggled and had some big pitch count innings I feel like that 7th inning was overuse.
Arod!!
A-ROD WITH A CHEAPIE!
BAHAhAAHAHA
That’s a yankee stadium special
Finally!!!! GO ALEX
So un-clutch!
I knew it be AN A bomb!!!!!!
AROD!! Let’s get CC a win!
RF I love you !
LOL at Verlander’s face after the HR.
Damon’s Deck!!!
Finally!!!! GO ALEX!
nice arod!!!
Wipe that smile off your face Verlander. Your team is losing.
And, of course, the only run in this game is a cheapie to right.
For some reason, I feel for Verlander; what a way to be down in this game.
Patrick,
I hope I’m wrong and just being overly concerned. But that’s what I’m seeing.
His fastball velocity numbers might be fine but his fastball doesn’t have a lot of life to it. It really doesn’t.
To me this looks like a very talented guy digging deep into the tank to reach back and make things happen.
The flip side to my argument would be that he’s gotten stronger and that the tigers haven’t hit many balls hard at all.
But compared to the way his fastball looked say against Minnesota – just doesn’t look like it’s got nearly as much life.
Just remember, the cheapies hurt the opponents more.
Wakefield is a much better pitcher than Andy or Joba at this stage…….and more often than not, he can give innings. Andy struggles and battles (bless him) to get through 5/6…..he just hasn’t been good this year except for the first few games.
Penny’s been “eh” and Smoltz, it’s too soon to say. The backend of the Sox’ rotation is much better than the Yankees, no question about it.
**HUGE props to CC for a fantastically gutty performance on a day that he really struggled. I love to see that out of him…..as I said for AJ, it’s easy to pitch with your best stuff. It’s how you do when you don’t have it, or actually when you’ve got nothing, that defines you as a pitcher.
For someone not having a lot of “stuff” C.C. has pitched an incredible game. That last inning was magnificent though.
ARod rocks one!
Go Alex!!! Thanks, short wall + wind tunnel…I would of screamed if Maggs caught it at the wall. Too bad Hughes isn’t available today.
a yankee stadium cheapie! wooooooooo
Wow.
In a kinda arrogant way I feel almost sorry for Verlander HA!!
WELL DONE STADIUM-Errr Alex!!
GJ Alex
Of course now Matsui and Posada try for HRs and pop up.
ABOMB!
See now CC has a shot at winning the game with A-Rod’s homerun. CC threw 114 pitches which is not excessive.
So who is a moron? Girardi or the people calling him so? I guess the answer is pretty evident. There are too many clueless whiners here.
Arod hasn’t really taken advantage of that short porch in right yet, if he does then watch out!
CB, I think you are overreacting a bit but anything is possible. I just feel that with the kind of velocity he’s tossing out there, it is very very unlikely anything is wrong with him.
Maybe after those first two innings CC changed his approach. It’s possible that he tried to pitch to contact in an attempt to get through more innings since his pitchcount was so high after 2 ip.
He had 3 K’s through 2 innings then only 1 through the last 5. I think it’s somewhat likely that he made an effort to pitch more to contact.
NOYCE!
One more hit here would be huge.
That pitch by Verlander was down the middle, no offense but it didn’t just poke over the wall in RF.
How useless was Swisher again?
Swisher knew we were doubting him
I dont feel sorry for him.
If Joba smiled after giving up the lead in the 8th would you feel sorry for him? Cheapie or not.
“CC can pitch up to 120 pitches.”
CC’s made it pretty clear that he doesn’t want to throw that many pitches in the game.
The whole thing with him and Girardi got blown out of proportion when he had the biceps soreness but he did make it clear that 120 pitches is not something he wanted to do. And he did say he thought the number of 120 pitch or so games he had were part of why his biceps was sore.
Big spot for Melky.
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Wakefield is a much better pitcher than Andy or Joba at this stage…….and more often than not, he can give innings. Andy struggles and battles (bless him) to get through 5/6…..he just hasn’t been good this year except for the first few games.
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if you asked 100 baseball execs who would they rather have pitch game 3 of a playoff series between Andy and Wakefield, over 90 of them would pick Andy, even at this late stage of his career. That’s all that really matters when you compare the back of the two rotations. I’m sure the Sox want Smoltz to be the #3 in the playoff if he can pitch decently and Andy-Smoltz now is as good a matchup as it was in 1996.
2,3, and 4 up in the 8th inning. I love Aceves but I hate having to use him in the 8th. In the late innings you need someone who throws harder, but they have no one else.
It’s more important to get the Yankees a win than CC…….It’s not how many pitches he threw (114 is a lot), but how hard he had to work for them. I hope he gets the win – but I still would not have brought him out for the 7th.
I also winning on cheapie HRs or bad calls, but it is what it is and it’s better than a loss, so……..let’s go, lol
It’s more important to get the Yankees a win than CC…….It’s not how many pitches he threw (114 is a lot), but how hard he had to work for them. I hope he gets the win – but I still would not have brought him out for the 7th.
I also winning on cheapie HRs or bad calls, but it is what it is and it’s better than a loss, so……..let’s go, lol
Don’t overreact to a lack of command or anything like that after excessive rest. He got every out he had to get and pitched seven scoreless against a good lineup.
CC absolutely earned the right to pitch the seventh. The totalpitches not a big deal with the extra rest. His last five innings included a LOT of excellent pitches and few poor ones.
Some of you people are just impossible to please.
No such thing as a cheap HR… the fence is where it is and clearing it is a HR. If Verlander doesn’t like it he can pucker up. If it’s such a HR haven why did it take over 200 pitches for someone to hit it out? shut up already
a base hit by Melky would be sweet
Let’s get some more runs!! Arod’s homer was a cheapie but Verlander should know his offense has every chance for a cheapie as well. (now they will get one to spite this comment haha)
How come Verlander never did anymore TV after Six Feet Under?
Don’t feel bad for Verlander, hey his team can take advantage that short porch just like the Yankees.
nice AB for Melky
Hey I read its El Nino’s birthday. Happy birthday kid.
i’m impressed. Gameday says verlander’s throwing high 90′s after 107 pitches.
“No explosion 10 feet in front of the plate….He’s pitching a very good game without his very good fastball”
The difference between CC’s fastball today and Hughes’ last night has been stark.
CC’s been throwing around as hard if not harder than Phil – but Tiger hitters were completely overpowered last night by the life on Phil’s pitches.
very classy hit
Melkman with the speed!!!
Melkman! Money in the seventh inning!!
Good hustle Melky!
The Melkman delivers!
Verlander is cracking, nice job Swish.
I just got in, is Bruney avaailable for the 8th??? Thanks
way to hustle
swisher is the hero with his tricky footwork
Leche!
Nice move by Swish threw a screen on Everett haha
Ha!
An assist from Swisher who distracted the SS.
The back end of the Sux rotation is “eh”
The back end of our rotation is awful. Atleast they get innings from their back end.
Wakefield, Smoltz, Penny (and eventually Buchholz) > Andy, Joba, Mitre.
lol @ Swisher.
Very close call, but I think melky beat it out.
No Hughes, who are they going to trust? Coke?
Gardenhoser ! vamos defense.
1st pitch
MG, Andy in a big game? No way do I feel confident in him anymore. I WOULD if he was pitching decently, but IMO, he’s pretty much done. In any case, we’re talking comparing two pitchers over the course of the remaining 2 and half months and, IMO, Wake is a much better bet to do a good job than Andy.
Good job by Melky running hard. It is nice to actually get one of those bang, bang calls go their way.
The 8th is Ace’s inning now.
Tigers must be PO’d. The Yankees scored 2 runs on a cheap HR, 10-hopper single (Cano), bloop double, and slow infield hit.
“1st pitch
”
Line drive.
Just got caught.
What’s the problem?
Good teams find ways to scratch out runs against the tough pitchers. That’s what you have to do against a Verlander, you can’t try to hit HR’s, you hit the ball hard somewhere and hustle each one out and hope for the best.
I thought Bruney was the 8th inning set up man….any info???
For as much as I have killed Swisher for his baserunning, that was a GREAT job of shielding Everett and not allowing him to charge that ball.
Wakefield made the All-Star team and is tied with Beckett with the league lead in wins.
He is much better than Andy at this stage.
He is a knuckleballer… that alone makes him more valuable.
Too bad the bottom of the lineup isn’t up. I don’t like Aceves against the middle guys.
I love Ace, wish hughes was pitching tho. I was at the game last night, he was filthy.
how many of you who criticize practically everything about the Yankees daily have actually played baseball or even watched baseball for more than a few years?
While this team isn’t the strongest of all time they consistently battle back and have won so many games late it’s almost amazing. Before you criticize anyone on this team again maybe you should think about this game facing one of the top pitchers in the league who had his best stuff and recognize that CC, by battling through 7 innings without his best stuff, showed why he is an ace and the rest of the team showed they have heart. If you are going to be a fan show some pride and confidence and stop effing whining all the time, Yankees fans have never been like this.
Guess who’s not the starting pitcher Tuesday for the Yankees?
“I thought Bruney was the 8th inning set up man….any info???”
We’re fans of strikes from our 8th inning guys and less HRs.
The past two games are interesting examples of why comparing Gardner’s statistics to Melky’s is tough.
Melky’s weaker side of the plate is as a righty. A lefty goes last night and Gardner doesn’t have to face him (Gardner’s faced very few lefties this year…).
In turn Melky gets at bats from his weaker side while Gardner doesn’t have to.
Today Verlander goes – and Melky gets the call as well.
I’m not making any comment about who should play, etc. All I’m referring to is how it is problematic to simply compare statistics for Melky vs. Gardner because of the way each player is used and the pitching competition they’ve faced.
MG, I hope you’re not directing that to me……..
with the soxs losing and the rays facing Greinke this game is important!
CB
do you think hughes will take that too the starting rotation next year & does phil have enough seconday pitches to succeed?
if he is that good as a starter look out.
Thanks Brandon, I thought Bruney was injured or something….thanks for info!
Sadly, Bruney went on the DL twice in a short span. He came back and was ineffective. He gave up some runs against Seattle and I think Girardi lost confidence in him. I hope Joe can find some innings for Brian because I think he can really help this team.
first pitch swinging is sometimes the best way to approach a tough pitcher
it may be the best pitch you see the entire AB
just a liner that got caught, you can’t get mad at that
Sox down 6-2 top 8th……
“I thought Bruney was the 8th inning set up man”
Not with the way he has been pitching recently. Maybe when he starts to get guys out he will be an option.
Betsy, you’re not a whiner, no. We can agree to disagree about pitching, of course…
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Wakefield is a much better pitcher than Andy or Joba at this stage…….and more often than not, he can give innings. Andy struggles and battles (bless him) to get through 5/6…..he just hasn’t been good this year except for the first few games.
Penny’s been “eh” and Smoltz, it’s too soon to say. The backend of the Sox’ rotation is much better than the Yankees, no question about it.
**HUGE props to CC for a fantastically gutty performance on a day that he really struggled. I love to see that out of him…..as I said for AJ, it’s easy to pitch with your best stuff. It’s how you do when you don’t have it, or actually when you’ve got nothing, that defines you as a pitcher.
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For Wakefield being such an innings eater, he’s only getting one more out per game than Pettitte.
who catches pop ups high fiving the sky…Swish
“Good teams find ways to scratch out runs against the tough pitchers. That’s what you have to do against a Verlander, ”
Oh please give your sanctimonious platitudes a rest.
You have dozens of irrational posts excoriating minutiae about the team and second guessing one thing after another in the most ridiculous manner possible.
And now when the team has a lead you come out with cliched pap?
Give it a rest.
Another bogus call from these umps.
Davidson NEVER misses anything…lol
Anyone else find it funny that three of our most important pitchers wear Spring Training numbers? Aceves (91), Hughes (65), and Joba (62).
>What’s the problem?
Verlander’s on the ropes. What’s the rush?
Take that.
93 mph on a change up, YES GET A NEW GUN !!!
Ace strikes him out anyway.
2-0 on Miguel Cabrera and Aceves strikes him out on the next three pitches.
This guy is fearless. Some other relievers would have just given up and walked him.
Haha to whoever said the Tigers could get a cheapie HR of his own.
There it is.
Marcus Thames with a barely over the wall special.
Terrible pitch…Hung right over the plate…
What a weird at-bat. What was Leland discussing with the ump?
If we win this game, it’s going to be chippy tomorrow.
CB, great point about comparing Gardner and Cabrera. I don’t really look at their stats in that way. They have both exceeded expectations at the plate and they are both good fielders. Melky has the stronger arm, Gardner steals more bases.
They are both good players and I’m happy with the situation we have at CF.
Dang I was just about to post about how good Ace looks but he just gave up a HR
cheapie HR of *their own
Man, Damon looks bad…
“fans don’t want to see home runs from Bruney”….thanks ACE!
come on Ace
Phil is a stud in relief or starting, He’ll be good next year starting + how ever many starts he gets for the remainder of 09. people compare Phil’s starting stats to Wang’s once he returned off of the DL, but fail to realize the trend in which phil was pitching to. He was really coming on towards the end
cant mess with Ordonez he can still hit one FAR
In a real stadium the score is 1-0….Come on Aceves!!
anyone else hearing the theme to Cheap Seats in their head with all these “Cheapie” home runs?
Johnny looks as lost as Abreu going to the wall these days. Melky would have been sitting in the first row on that one.
or he can walk to the dugout..either way
Aceves = fearless.
RS
July 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Haha to whoever said the Tigers could get a cheapie HR of his own.
There it is.
***
That was me! I knew I should have kept my mouth shut. At least we are still up by 1.
Wakefield can give you innings…and 5 or 6 runs depending on the whim of his one pitch
Like I said, Aceves is fearless.
alright…ace made a mistake but hes still extremely reliable and valuable…hopefully we can get a couple tack on’s…then mo
Melky on pace for another late game winning rbi
Enter Sandman.
Hey – I’m watching this on gameday, which means all I see is ball, strike, etc. What was the “on field delay” at the start of the inning? and what was the “automatic ball” they called? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that show up?
Mo only threw 12 pitches last night. Could be available for the 9th inning.
Johnny could have caught that, IDK what’s up w/ him.
the only NY pro athlete who might have caught that is Nate Robinson but only if he could wear his stupid Krypton-ate uniform, that ball was clearly in the seats.
CB July 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
“Good teams find ways to scratch out runs against the tough pitchers. That’s what you have to do against a Verlander, ”
Oh please give your sanctimonious platitudes a rest.
You have dozens of irrational posts excoriating minutiae about the team and second guessing one thing after another in the most ridiculous manner possible.
And now when the team has a lead you come out with cliched pap?
Give it a rest.”
HAHAHHAAHHHHAHA
CB just slapped the $hit out of that dude =)
get that run back please
As a Yankee fan, I find it hard to hear people say they would rather have Wake then Andy. No loyalty or memory.
“do you think hughes will take that too the starting rotation next year & does phil have enough seconday pitches to succeed?”
bru,
Hughes’ true plus physical gift has always been the late life on his fastball. It’s always been there.
He had it this year even as a starter. He has a plus fastball and it’s not the velocity – even now – that’s the primary reason.
I’ve always thought he’d be an outstanding starting pitcher and I think he will be next year.
Exactly how good is going to depend now on his secondary pitches and how they develop.
He really needs a change up. That’s the critical pitch for him, IMO. I think he needs another pitch to play off his fastball that gives another look. I don’t know if his cutter is going to be good enough or be enough of a different look – his fastball already has so much movement on it. To me his cutter looks like it would be better suited as a 4th pitch.
But on the whole, this year we’ve seen him throw a fastball with tremendous late life and to be able to throw that pitch to every quadrant with command.
Any pitcher who can do that is going to be successful.
Lori
July 18th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Hey – I’m watching this on gameday, which means all I see is ball, strike, etc. What was the “on field delay” at the start of the inning? and what was the “automatic ball” they called? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that show up?
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Aceves went to his mouth while on the mound (not allowed – automatic ball). Girardi went out to argue.
Aceves is NOT an 8th inning guy. You can’t put him in a game where he has no margin for error. His stuff isin’t good enough to do it.
there is a reward for anyone who can correctly pronounce the name of the Jays starter today, Marc Rzepczynski
Thanks you GB7
Right On! MG! You are oh so right.
“Aceves is NOT an 8th inning guy. You can’t put him in a game where he has no margin for error. His stuff isin’t good enough to do it.”
Someone put Ace’s stats for this individual.
ace gave up a cheap homer, he pitched fine
this new stadium is such a joke…
they need to do something about the walls this winter…
dude relax it was a good pitch.
Particularly since their stats aren’t that much different and we know Andy has a much larger upside if he starts throwing better in the second half:
Pettitte 8 5 18 107.2 44 70 0 4.85
Wakefield 11 3 17 108.2 37 61 0 4.31
Washburn in this stadium would be a disaster (not like he’d waive his NTC to pitch in this stadium anyway, but even if he did, we would regret it).
“Aceves is NOT an 8th inning guy. You can’t put him in a game where he has no margin for error. His stuff isin’t good enough to do it”
I said that earlier, but unfortunately with Hughes not available they didn’t have any other options. With the way Bruney has been pitching you can’t use him late in games. They need another option in the bullpen or someone else to step up.
Kenny
July 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Aceves is NOT an 8th inning guy. You can’t put him in a game where he has no margin for error. His stuff isin’t good enough to do it.
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his ERA is 2.49, who would you rather have in there, Jose Veras with a 95+ fastball and an ERA about 6? How about Kyle Farnsworth or Joel Zumaya or Brad Lidge or any other reliever who throws harders but is much more likely to give up a run(s).
CB July 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
“do you think hughes will take that too the starting rotation next year & does phil have enough seconday pitches to succeed?”
bru,
Hughes’ true plus physical gift has always been the late life on his fastball. It’s always been there.
He had it this year even as a starter. He has a plus fastball and it’s not the velocity – even now – that’s the primary reason.
I’ve always thought he’d be an outstanding starting pitcher and I think he will be next year.
Exactly how good is going to depend now on his secondary pitches and how they develop.
He really needs a change up. That’s the critical pitch for him, IMO. I think he needs another pitch to play off his fastball that gives another look. I don’t know if his cutter is going to be good enough or be enough of a different look – his fastball already has so much movement on it. To me his cutter looks like it would be better suited as a 4th pitch.
But on the whole, this year we’ve seen him throw a fastball with tremendous late life and to be able to throw that pitch to every quadrant with command.
Any pitcher who can do that is going to be successful.”
CB,
If what you say is true then why was the big knock on Hughes last year that his fastball was “As Straight as a String” Keith Law etc??
Come one Mo!!!
Lori
July 18th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Thanks you GB7
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You’re most welcome, Lori. Happy to have an explaination for you.
Aceves has more than proven himself…. he doesn’t need electric stuff to get people out are you blind fool…. I trust him in almost any situation right now he hasn’t done anything to change that… the guy has been terrific for us this year… check Thames’ stats in July…. LETS GO MO
People are grumbling about Aceves? What if he didn’t give up the homerun are you okay with him in that spot? Who else do you trust there? Phil Coke? He gives up the long ball, too. Surely not Brian Bruney?
Wakefield’s ERA is 1\2 a run lower than Andy’s.
Wakefield’s WHIP is 1.38, Andy’s is 1.51.
Andy has also allowed almost twice as many HRs as Wake (8 to 15)
“As a Yankee fan, I find it hard to hear people say they would rather have Wake then Andy. No loyalty or memory.”
Me too, Tarheelyank, me too.
Ok, thanks MG. I really respect your opinions…….and even if I don’t always agree, you always make interesting points. I don’t understand anyone who doesn’t like this team…….or complains on an hourly basis, either. Sure I get frustrated at times and they have flaws, but first and most importantly, I love my team. Some fans – I just have to wonder if they even LIKE the Yankees? Sometimes it seems they have such a dislike or resentment against them. I will always love the Yankees even in years they stink. Now this particular team has so much fight to it – even when they got swept in Anaheim, they kept coming back. They lost 3 games and all of a sudden the team sucked – amazing. I love the fight on this team and I love their personalities. I’m not one of those who just root for the uniform – I like the players I’m rooting for, so I have an emotional attachment to them. I have a feeling that the jealousy fans feel over the $$ players make has a lot to do with the sense of entitlement fans feel. They feel entitled to perfection from people making more than they are……..I’ve never understood this myself.
some of the people who post here want Mo taken out of the game if he goes 2-0 on a hitter…
Where was that pitch??
HE STILL GOT IT!
haven’t seen that in awhile.
Holy…
Jeter has a GREAT arm
and Jeter is the worst shortstop in the league also…
Nice play by Jeter…Come on Mo, 1 more out!!!
SICK!!!
Vintage JETER
Jeter!
After watching Jeet make that play, I am so tired of anyone dissing him. That was superb.
“If what you say is true then why was the big knock on Hughes last year that his fastball was “As Straight as a String” Keith Law etc??”
I think you have to throw the beginning of the year out the window. He was pitching with a fractured rib.
By the end of the year his fastball was terrific. Remember that game he threw against the blue jays last september when he was going up against AJ? He threw 8 innings that game and struck out 6. He looked very good.
His fastball has a lot of late movement on it. That’s his natural gift.
I guess Mo has to throw 4 strikes to this guy?
I missed it its blacked out where I am…. did he go to his left or right….
Mo’s cutter has a TON of life on it and he has pinpoint control
Phil Coke gives me more peace of mind than Aceves. Not for long, but during that split second after the batter hits the ball and Coke points up like it’s a pop-up, I have peace of mind and think “well done, Phil.”
After the ball goes over the fence, not so much.
Betsy, we are both loyal Yankees fans and it’s OK to disagree about the pitching staff, I’ll eventually convince you lol
Mo.
So let’s recap:
CC is not an ace.
Posada can’t catch CC effectively.
Arod is unclutch, especially in the 7th inning or later.
Mo is old and declining…
and Jeter plays terrible defense.
Did I miss anything?
Mo is pitching as good as I’ve ever seen him pitch
Yankees win!
Yes!!! Good job Mo…He has looked great recently.
Great pitchers duel. Great game. Great result.
jeter still has it. it is so much fun to see quality like that on the field.
autoMOtic
GI Joe pushed Joba again.
here comes the cutter
fantastic game!
Did I miss anything?
ya u missed
“Justin Verlander is untouchable”
RS, don’t forget that they have no heart and Melky isn’t a major league outfielder…
CB,
Not only the late movement but the fact that he has absolutely amazing control for such a young guy. As Hughes came up through the minors the point that every expert kept saying is how well he could spot his fastball. That control plus the movement really makes him a good pitcher.
Throw in an a legit strikeout pitch in his hook and he has ace potential. I think you are right though, he definitely needs to develop that change-up. His cutter is more of a show-me pitch vs lefties.
Good re-cap, RS. You left out WHY CC is not an ace. It’s because he can’t win a pitchers’ duel vs. the other team’s ace.
I hope all the moaners andgroaners can appreciate a terrific win. CC battled through seven scoreless, Aceves made one mistake and Mo was Mo.
This is a damn good team, folks and it’s one starter from being the best team in baseball. Buy yourself a drink and enjoy the next 22 hours.
Nick that’s hilarious. Phil Coke does tend to do that huh?
Dare I say Hughes is even better right now than Joba was out of the bullpen????
Whatever is posted here the rest of the day won’t be as good as CB’s post directed at Matt. LOL
Required reading:)
One of my favorite games. I love this team. Too bad some of you suffered through it – if you saw it for what it was, you would’ve enjoyed your Saturday a bit more.
MG – Schepshinksi?
CB, does Phil have to have a really good change or just a usable one? He’s got a real aptitiude for pitching – it’s odd that the change is hard for him to get down. The NJ.com article from yesterday was a good one – and the Yankees also realize Phil needs a change. It looks like he could be going to winter ball – which I like, esp., if he doesn’t get his innings in during the season.
Great win for the Yanks – CC was unbelievably gritty today, a real horse and a real ace.
Sox lose. Just need the Royals to take care of business.
Air Jeter!
GREAT JOB with the updates today, Josh! Just as great as Pete.
& a GREAT game by the Yanks, too.
Al’s YES on-field post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/62845259cd558ca2/
People are still questioning Phil Hughes’ talent?
WooHoo! 2 GB. Thanks, Toronto.
CB,
I don’t mean to quibble, in fact it’s very comforting to hear such an appraisal from someone whom I believe really knows what they’re talking about rather than the seemingly Yankee hate machine that is most of the scouts who talk about “USE”
6ks last night and the Vintage Jeter glamour play in the 9th…
Two most exhilirating wins this year!!
If i had to guess what it will feel like to beat the Redsox I think it would kinda feel like today HAH
it’s pretty cool to see Jeter and Rivera playing some of the best baseball in their careers for the past couple of months.
“Dare I say Hughes is even better right now than Joba was out of the bullpen????”
Your right.
When Phil pitches to his spots and paints the corners, it honestly is like watching an artist at work. I now appreciate why people raved for so long about Greg Maddux (I’m NOT comparing the too – so relax, lol) – in addition to him just being a great pitcher. It’s honestly beautiful to see a kid actually know how to pitch instead of just throw……..
it sucks that the yankees cant beat division leaders
did he get him out with the “coder”
so is CC an Ace again yet?….imo he has always been though..
What an absolutely fantastic win today.
Verlander really has been arguably the best pitcher in the AL for the past two months or so. He’s been absolutely dominant start after start.
Today he can out just throwing BB’s. His average fastball today was 96 and he topped out at 99.4.
I was worried about CC today. To me his arm didn’t look right. But he somehow got through 7 without allowing a run.
This is why starting pitching is so huge and more important than the pen. If CC gives up anything today they lose.
And what can you say about Mariano. It’s like he’s not even human.
His strike out to walk ratio this year is 13. That’s just mind boggling.
Coming into this series facing Verlander and Jackson and a lefty they’d never seen they could have lost 2 out of 3.
Two big wins and they’ve won the series going into the game against Jackson.
“Dare I say Hughes is even better right now than Joba was out of the bullpen????”
I’ll say he has the better fastball. Joba’s fastball was effective because he had the velocity and hitters had the slider to look out for as well.
Hughes is throwing his fastball about 80-85% of the time and he’s painting the corners with it with crazy movement.
Joba was like the ’08 Brad Lidge (with fewer walks) and Hughes is like the ’07 Papelbon.
CC gets respect from Yankee fans because he ALWAYS battles even when his stuff isn’t working. This is something he needs to teach Joba.
GB, I wasn’t aware that Wake wasn’t eating all that many innings……..you always have such pertinent info at your fingertips, lol
KO,
Joba had such a small sample size, so its hard to compare, cause basically both of them have nearly perfect numbers.
But what we know for sure is, Hughes continues to listen and improve, while Joba does his own thing and its failing horribly at the moment.
Tons of pitchers have great arms, but the willingness to listen and improve is what makes you an ace for many years instead of an one year wonder.
Nice job CB picking selective parts of the posts to try to look like a big shot criticizing another poster.
But of course in doing that, you miss the fact that the entire rest of that post was the point. Way to go, twisting peoples’ words. I’m sure that makes you feel good about yourself to go out there and show total and utter disrespect for your fellow posters.
If you actually read the post, it was pointing out the fact that this team has to stop swinging for the fences and do more of the little things to beat tough pitchers. But of course selective reading is what someone who is too immature to actually debate a point has to do to come back.
RS, I’d say Hughes is looking better right now than Joba two years ago mostly because Hughes has been around for a while now and the league has a book on his pitches – and he’s still baffling guys. When Joba first came up he was an unknown so hitters didn’t know what pitches he could throw consistently for strikes. He’s still hasn’t figured out that he has to adjust as the league adjusts – that’s what makes a major league pitcher.
Joba in 08 in the pen was not as dominant as Hughes is now
07 is a different story but there is no way he was going to keep that up.
“…you can’t try to hit HR’s, you hit the ball hard somewhere and hustle each one out and hope for the best.”
But funny, by cutting out the entire rest of the post to act like the blog police, you miss the entire point. Great job.
If Arod had stopped swinging for the fences they might still be playing.
VW,
No problem. Was’t a quibble at all. I was very encouraged by what we saw from Hughes to end last year. He was phenomenal in AAA and looked great in his call up.
And he was outstanding in the Arizona Fall League. The reports on him were great.
I think it’s hard to really assess what kind of impact missing that much time has on a pitcher between the ages of 20 to 22.
But he’s made an outstanding comeback. The foundation is there for him to be a top flight starting pitcher.
The Yankees try to hit HR’s all the time at this ballpark. It’s not a hypocritical cliche dribble, it’s pointing out that they have to do MORE of what they just did, RATHER than what they were doing. But that’s what people who don’t like to read or listen to any opinions but their own do.
“He’s still hasn’t figured out that he has to adjust as the league adjusts – that’s what makes a major league pitcher.”
Bingo. That deadly slider that fooled everyone 2 years ago is no longer fooling hitters because they are not expanding their zone. He can’t throw it for strikes and seems to always go to it on 3-2 and nobody chases it anymore.
Joba has to prove he can re-adjust to the league after they adjusted to him.
Who cares who was more dominant in the pen. It’s irrelevant.
Neither are going to stay there for the long run so it really doesn’t matter.
All I care about is Hughes pitching well and getting hitters out. I don’t care whether he strikes out the side every time he takes the ball or not.
Mo from another planet – he’s ridiculous. Hoffman holds the saves record, but when I see all-stars look at him in awe – well, that’s just priceless. Mo has the most repeatable mechanics, the most fluid motion, I’ve ever seen. In combination with his temperment – well, that’s just an unbeatable combination. He has always been my favorite Yankee – I’m in awe of him.
Is it me or have the Yanks scored the most runs in baseball and also hit the most homers?
They are obviously doing something right so quit complaining.
Betsy-
Maddux was a great pitcher, because of his memory of what he needed to get a certain batter out, based on what he threw that batter a year ago, plus being able to spot the ball, like MO, where-ever he wanted to.
He was honored at a luncheon and at the Braves game last night by retiring his number on the outfield wall with the likes of Niekro, Matthews, Aaron , Spahn, and Dale Murphy. The Ghosts must have come out last night in the pasting the Braves gave the Mets.
Why wouldn’t the team try to hit HRs? We play in a pinball machine where pop ups are in the 3rd row.
Play to your strengths. We are a HR hitting team that now plays in a small ballpark. What’s wrong with swinging for the fences?
YES post-game Booth Report with Bob Lorenz, Ken Singleton, and Al Leiter:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6284586113ba4dec/
No Matt – you have it wrong. You are tough to take and people pick up on that more than your ‘opinions’. You are not endearing…but have a lovely afternoon.
“”does Phil have to have a really good change or just a usable one? He’s got a real aptitiude for pitching – it’s odd that the change is hard for him to get down.”
Betsy,
Phil really doesn’t have a good change. It’s “usable” at best. On the whole from what I saw of him this year it was still a below average pitch – he left it up in the zone way too often.
He did completely change the grip he throws his change with this past off season so it’s still a work in progress.
The thing that concerns me with his change though is that it’s a feel pitch. Some guys just don’t have a feel for throwing it.
Phil’s always had an uncanny feel for pitching at a very young age.
It does concern me that he just might never have the feel for that pitch.
And, IMO, it’s that pitch which is going to define his ceiling as a starter.
If he develops a good change – then he’s got a shot to be a #1 level starter.
Mo should stay on with the Yankees after his magnificent run, as a coach. Then maybe Joe Nathan will join the Yankees to finish his career here!!!
But A-Rod wasn’t up there trying to hit the HR, which is my point.
He got a pitch over the plate, put a good swing on it, and hit it hard the other way on a line. He didn’t put a huge swing on it and try to pull it, he just hit it hard and something good happened.
The game of baseball is a funny game, in that the harder you try, the worse you do. If you go up there trying to pull HR into the seats, you tend to make a lot of weak fly ball outs rather than hitting the HR. You have to hit it hard and give yourself a chance, and whatever happens after that is what happens.
Obviously Matt hasn’t been spanked like that in quite awhile, best if he just quietly departed with his tail between his legs.
They need to renegotiate Arod’s contract if they don’t want him swinging for the fences. Maybe insert a sac fly clause?
Awesome win
Gotta love the wins when your pitching is dominant. CC had two bad starts out of his first three in July but he came back nicely today.
I hope CB and Pat M are wrong when questioning his health (not because I enjoy it when you are wrong, I just want CC to be healthy and pitch well for us!)
AJ and CC gutted out two wins for us, that’s why they are the top two starters on the staff. Now it’s Joba and Andy’s turn!
CB – Agree 100%. The development of that change is going to be very important for him.
Girardi’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/628460799aa29738/
Oh no, I’m not endearing, that’s just so horrible! You don’t like what I say? That’s just a shame, because that doesn’t change the fact that I’m entitled to my own opinion. That doesn’t mean you can just twist my words either and flat out lie about what I’m saying.
You don’t like what I say? Then post something about the game, rather than about the fact that you don’t like me as a person. Doing the latter makes you look just as bad if not worse than you think I look.
Just because I say negative things sometimes, that doesn’t make me a Red Sox fan or a Mets fan. Grow up, and stop trying to take everything you don’t like and making up wild accusations to attempt to discredit it. I’m sure it makes you just as much of a fan to sit there and go “rah rah” as a guy drops routine fly balls. There are different degrees of fans, and whether you like it or not, they are fans of the same team as you. You don’t like it? Well too bad, that’s life.
This is the difference having an ace makes. Most teams throw out their aces and expect to win that game………it’s obviously a lot harder to do that matched up against a CC than it is against most of the other pitchers in baseball
matt,
I haven’t read through the thread, so I don’t really know what’s going on.
But you don’t need to explain yourself.
As long as you’re following the rules of the blog, you have as much right to post as the next person.
RS
I agree
It’s been like Mythbusters around here.
CC is not an ace.– BUSTED
Posada can’t catch CC effectively.–BUSTED
Arod is unclutch,especially in the 7th or later– BUSTED
Mo is old and declining…–BUSTED
and Jeter plays terrible defense.–BUSTED
Next, Joba is washed up–soon to be BUSTED
Why did FOX choose to televise the Orioles/White Sox?
Verlander has probably been the best starter in the AL since May.
CB, thanks………I know Phil can do it because we’ve seen it (even if it was just once, in Texas). He might just have to work some more at it – focus strictly on the change. Maybe CC can help him. I believe that hard work always pays off and Phil’s a hard worker – he’ll get that change down (I hope, lol)
CC’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/62846269ca779523/
Most of A-Rod’s HR this year have come in some huge spots. It’s really amazing how much people hate the guy. In his 5 years here, all he has done is produce. Sure, he hasn’t always been at his greatest in the postseason, but Jeter’s numbers in that same stretch have been WORSE, and I don’t see him catching as much slack.
A-Rod single handedly carried the team through game 4 of the 2004 ALCS, but people have selective memories when they want to prove a point, even if it’s not entirely true. Even if you want to cite his numbers in the postseason, which aren’t spectacular, you still can’t discount his regular season numbers either.
Do you think they have any chance to make it in 2007 without A-Rod’s 50-something HR and 150+ RBI, and all his clutch HR? No way!
Mets/Braves must be the worst Fox Saturday matchup of all time, haha. No sympathy from me though, I can’t stand Fox MLB coverage.
“You don’t like what I say? Then post something about the game, rather than about the fact that you don’t like me as a person. Doing the latter makes you look just as bad if not worse than you think I look.”
Oh Matt, you’re fun. If I could ignore you, I would. I realize it’s a bigger reflection on me than it is on you, and yet I still must have my say. I hope you are not as critical of your family members as you are your team — self-esteem is important.
Patrick the Prospect hugger….I’m not saying CC is injured, what was being discussed was that the running late movement on his fastball seemed to be absent today….He was brillant today as he gave a clinic on how to pitch with less than his best stuff…..CC is a horse….And you ride horses into October
I’ve got Angles/A’s
CC did well against Boston before the 8th inning
CC threw 8 innings of 3 run ball against Philly
He threw 7 scoreless against Detroit today
The Angels beat him twice, but they beat all of our pitchers, so that’s nothing new.
“He was brillant today as he gave a clinic on how to pitch with less than his best stuff…..CC is a horse”
I look at this as a bonus win. If they can win against one of the very best pitchers on a day that CC’s fastball was missing, that is a bonus. Because a game won without his best stuff means a game later on that we need, he should have it. You can only have your best stuff so many times during the year.
Baltimore/White Sox?
Angels/As?
Mets/Braves?
what a terrible FOX slate
No Yanks, Sox, Phillies, Dodgers, Cubs, Cardinals,
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
GB, I wasn’t aware that Wake wasn’t eating all that many innings……..you always have such pertinent info at your fingertips, lol
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That’s me, Betsy…”Pertinent GreenBeret7″. It’s been a while since I was called that. Basically, Pettitte and Wakefield are the same pitcher. close in every department except for allowing unearned runs to score. Wakefield has allowed zero and Pettitte has allowed 8.
I get a kick out of people saying that Wakefield can throw for years because he’s a knuckleball pitcher. Most knuckleballers quit because of knee injuries and slow reflexes. They can’t cover first, can’t flag down the shots up the middle and can’t field bunts.
“I hope CB and Pat M are wrong when questioning his health (not because I enjoy it when you are wrong, I just want CC to be healthy and pitch well for us!)”
Believe me I hope I’m completely wrong and CC and Girarid’s post game comments are very reassuring.
CC in the post game said that he was just too strong, particularly early on. Also said he was fighting his mechanics.
And that very well would explain why his fastball was flat and lacked life even though he was sitting in the high 90′s.
Matt, no one here dislikes you as a person; no one here knows you as as person. They only know you through the nature of your comments.
Pat M: I don’t know if you saw my post a couple days ago, but I was down in your neck of the woods. Went to a few establishments in the Newport Beach/CDM area: Crow Bar, Javiers, and Mastro’s, are you familiar with these places? It was an interesting night.
Jeter’s YES post-game reaction:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6284663470f59caf/
GB, I’ve never been called pertinent in my life……just IMpertinent.
AJ and CC have both been overly strong – not a surprise. With AJ, it was the long layoff. With CC, he was probably overly pumped because his last start was so bad and he may have been trying to make up for it.
Off-topic, but I REALLY want Tom Watson to win tomorrow. I’ve always loved the guy – reminds me of Huckleberry Finn.
Back to our regularly scheduled Yankees talk……..
I don’t take pleasure in criticizing Andy – I love the guy.
Matt,
What people fail to grasp is that ARod’s coming over here coincided with a sort of mini-era of mediocre Yankee pitching. That, IMO, is the key to his so-called “unclutch” postseason reputation.
Better pitching will yield more opportunities for the entire team to “come through.”
I remember how we used to moan about “not hitting” in the dynasty years; eventually, we would, because the pitching would allow us to hang in.
People don’t understand that aquiring a slugger isn’t like adding a point guard or a rushing defenseman.
And when we succeed, it won’t change the perception on ARod: the narrative will be “he had to LEARN how to be a winner.”
Yadayadayada.
Thanks for the links Pel
Nick in SF, No I didn’t know that you were in town…..You selected good places….Mastro’s is a Jeter hangout when he’s in town…..Hell Nick in SF I wished I had known, next time the first couple of rounds are on me…….Lot’s of beautiful local talent that’s easy on the eyes around here….
Matt
July 18th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
The Yankees try to hit HR’s all the time at this ballpark. It’s not a hypocritical cliche dribble, it’s pointing out that they have to do MORE of what they just did, RATHER than what they were doing. But that’s what people who don’t like to read or listen to any opinions but their own do.
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Just because the middle of the orders hitters swing the bat hard does not mean they are trying to hit home runs. Their job is to try and hit the ball hard and drive it….not flip it into the outfield. Swisher is the only one that “bails and whales”.
“I remember how we used to moan about “not hitting” in the dynasty years”
Tino, as I recall, was awful in the PS from ’96 until the grand slam in ’98. From then on, he was one of the Yanks best clutch hitters in the playoffs. I think one big hit in the playoffs could do the same thing for Arod.
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
GB, I’ve never been called pertinent in my life……just IMpertinent.
AJ and CC have both been overly strong – not a surprise. With AJ, it was the long layoff. With CC, he was probably overly pumped because his last start was so bad and he may have been trying to make up for it.
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Just so you don’t feel as tough you’re missing anything, Betsy….YOU’RE PERTINENT.
***though*** you’re missing anything
Pat M,
Sorry, I mixed up you and CB’s posts. Both of you said that he was lacking the late life on his fastball which was obviously true. CB went a bit further saying it could be due to injury.
CB,
Hopefully that’s it – his mechanics / being too strong. The Yanks really need CC to make a run at the playoffs.
Now that I think about it, CC’s strikeout rate has been way down this year. Only 6.66 K/9 this year, his lowest since 2004. For comparison from 2005-2008 his K/9 was 7.37, 8.03, 7.80, 8.93.
Any ideas on what is causing this? Is it just due to it being the first half of the year (he tends to turn it on in the second half)? Or maybe just an effect of pitching in the AL east? Hopefully it’s not what you fear – an injury.
CC takes Verlander to school.
CB takes Matt to school.
Take it like a man.
Pat M: I didn’t pick those places, I was out with a buddy of mine who lives in Irvine. I was staying up in Santa Ana for some quick busines down there. I noticed as I drove down 55 that the farther I got from Santa Ana and the closer to Newport, the nicer the cars got, as well as the nicer the talent. It was pretty ridiculous in Javiers.
I actually thought I was just meeting my buddy for a couple drinks and an early evening, but he is a father of three and apparently my presence in town provided him with a hall pass for the entire evening, so it turned into a late night.
I’ll try to let you know if I make a return trip down there and have more advance notice.
Thanks, GB – that makes me feel better, lol. I do have info at my finger tips, but it’s info that no one ever wants…..oh well. It comes in handy when I’m watching Jeopardy, lol
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Off-topic, but I REALLY want Tom Watson to win tomorrow. I’ve always loved the guy – reminds me of ***Huckleberry Finn***.
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You have guts, Betsy.
The way I type, I’d get booted for trying to type that name.
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Thanks, GB – that makes me feel better, lol. I do have info at my finger tips, but it’s info that no one ever wants…..oh well. It comes in handy when I’m watching Jeopardy, lol
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Me, too. I’m full of useless information. Although, a lot of people think that I’m just full of it.
happy to see the time off paid off
WINS = critical!!
This site is a godsend.
Greetings.
My first post: I am still not convinced that anything has changed. The problem is our ability to compete with LA Angels – forever it seems, and of course the Red Sox.
Should we just hope that the post-season will shake out in a way that we won’t have to face these teams?
What can the NYY do to solve these problems?
However, $6 for a can of Tecate at Javiers is not my usual speed. Or maybe it was $4 for the beer and $2 for the lime wedge? Either way, I guess it was priced to keep the riff raff like me out…
Addendum on ARod “unclutchness”:
I should add that their is a retrospective misconception that the boys of the mid-90s “always” came up with clutch hits; they did not. Thus our complaining, until they wer able to cash in…courtesy of our pitching keeping us in the thing.
Doesn’t take guts, GB, it takes an obsessive-compulsive nature and a desire to avoid embarrassing spelling mistakes, LOL. I try to review all most posts before I post….obviously I don’t always succeed. I think my post would have been blocked had I messed that one up, lol. Actully, it would be funnier if I had meant to type Huck and not Huckleberry and then reversed the H and the F. Try saying Huck Finn the other way, lol
“Now that I think about it, CC’s strikeout rate has been way down this year. Only 6.66 K/9 this year, his lowest since 2004. For comparison from 2005-2008 his K/9 was 7.37, 8.03, 7.80, 8.93.”
Patrick,
There are at least two concerning trends with CC this year and i think they’re related. First, as you point out he’s striking out way fewer hitters than in years past.
The second – which is even more concerning – are his walks,
Now CC is only walking 2.67/ 9 coming into this game. As an absolute rate that’s fine.
But it’s considerably higher than in years past. For comparison – in 2007 when he won the Cy Young for Cleveland his BB/ 9 was an absurd 1.38. Now it’s not reasonable to expect him to ever do that again. That’s Maddux territory.
But in 2006 was was 2.1/9. In 2008 he was 2.1/9.
Last year he walked 59 guys in 253 innings. This year he’s already walked 41 in 135.
CC is not simply a pitcher with good control. He is an extreme control pitcher – amongst the best in the entire game. Plus on top of that he throws in the mid 90′s and has a plus change and plus plus slider.
To me the difference in him this year is that his fastball command has been curiously inconsistent from start to start. He’s missing up in the zone often with both his fastball and change. That’s very strange for him.
That’s partly why I was concerned about his start today after that start in Anaheim.
To me, watching him pitch this year, I get the sense that his arm has been fatigued and that’s causing his command to be off and his fastball to lack some life.
I might be wrong and hope I am – but the whole picture – decreased K’s / increased BB’s/ inconsistent fastball command and life just look like fatigue to me.
It’s either that or his mechanics are inconsistent. But that would be so strange as well – He repeats his mechanics like a machine usually. Amongst the best in the game at that.
He’s been good this year – but not quite what he’s been the past 3 years.
After throwing 250 innings + the past two year and having this bought of biceps soreness – it’s a concern to me.
Nick in SF….Javiers is a little $$$ for me as well….Yeah, once you hit Costa Mesa the difference is quite noticable…..
Where’s Brandon?
Two smallest ones are cleaning out one of the closets. And there was some mild yapping. So I tell them, “Be nice, work together!”
The boy says, “But she was denying my awesomeness!”
lol. Just had to share that with you.
“He’ll tell you the same thing — he didn’t hit that ball good at all,” Laird said of Rodriguez’s home run. “As soon as he hit it, I thought it was an out. At our place, that’s not even at the warning track. I don’t think at most parks that thing is out.”
More whining from the opponents. A-Rod is not a normal hitter he doesn’t have to get all of it to get out. He hit a ball almost in the dirt out out in dead center off Saunders in LA.
“He’ll tell you the same thing — he didn’t hit that ball good at all,” Laird said of Rodriguez’s home run. “As soon as he hit it, I thought it was an out. At our place, that’s not even at the warning track. I don’t think at most parks that thing is out.”
More whining from the opponents. A-Rod is not a normal hitter he doesn’t have to get all of it to get out. He hit a ball almost in the dirt out out in dead center off Saunders in LA.
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This is why I believe that the New Yankee Stadium is going to be an asset to us as team come in to play us the second time around. I believe that pitchers are “shocked” by some of the home runs in our stadium. Our pitchers went through that shock in April & May and I think have grown to accept the stadium as it is. Andy Petitte may not be able to survive in the new stadium but the rest of the Yankee pitchers will find a way. Meanwhile, as teams come into the stadium for the second time this season (and maybe for a few years) it will play havoc with their minds. Opposing pitchers will walk more batters and struggle to avoid giving up what they think are cheap homer runs. Additionally, I believe that opposing hitters may fall into the bad habit of trying to uppercut the ball when they come in, thus making them suscepticle to good fastballs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07.....notes.html
Cashman, Staying Tamper-Proof, Talks Up Farm
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Off-topic, but I REALLY want Tom Watson to win tomorrow. I’ve always loved the guy – reminds me of Huckleberry Finn.
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If Watson plays well tomorrow he has a great chance to win and, if he does, it will be the single greatest accomplishment in the history of golf and possibly the greatest one in all sports history. Imagine an athlete in another sport approaching 60 and still being able to be competitive with athletes in their prime, the thought just boggles my mind because I’m both older (62) and a decent player (7 handicap). I just can’t imagine hanging in there for 4 rounds of championship golf against the best in the world on a very difficult course in windy conditions.
I mostly agree with you, MG, although I personally think the single greatest accomplishment in the history of golf was when I recorded my first (and only) eagle before I had ever recorded a birdie.
I will be rooting for Mr. Watson tomorrow, even if it means hearing the word “spiritual” a few more times.
Pertinent GB
Now that’s too easy. What a straight line.
It’s the Impertinent GB that the world has problems with
“He’ll tell you the same thing — he didn’t hit that ball good at all,” Laird said of Rodriguez’s home run. “As soon as he hit it, I thought it was an out. At our place, that’s not even at the warning track. I don’t think at most parks that thing is out.”
oh please, somebody call the waaahmbulence!
how about next time dont give him a pitch to hit, you baby.
Matt
Don’t let them Grind You Down.
Most of your comments have been good to excellent. What did Teix and A Rod do in California? Zip. Why? Swung from the heels.
A Rod hits a pop fly and suddenly he’s in control? The only good thing he did was go to the opposite field. Normally he pulls those or pops up.
Ooh. A little late, but thanks Josh for those post-game notes. And for the in-game updates, too.
Why did Johnny even play if his back is bothering him? Jeez.
“What did Teix and A Rod do in California? Zip. Why? Swung from the heels.”
clueless comment…
series in LA
Arod- 5 for 13 with 3 homeruns
great job…you really know your baseball!
Bottom line…
Brian Cashman has lowered the bar so much, that we`re happy to be a few games behind the Red Sox and might make the wild card.
No, A-Rod did nothing in California last weekend. Nothing at all.
He was only 5-for-13 (.385) with 3 HR and 5 RBI in the series.
Take your nonsense and spread it on your front lawn. Soon you’ll have the greenest grass on the block.
“Bottom line…
Brian Cashman has lowered the bar so much, that we`re happy to be a few games behind the Red Sox and might make the wild card.”
says who?…but honestly…you can win the wild card then win the WS so it really doesnt matter…winning the wild card is not cheating…
if you win the WS by getting there via the wild card, there is no asterik on your trophy and rings
I wish there was a way to watch the minor league Scranton game for free.
so who’s the guy that’s slackin and bot posting anything on the blog tonight? lol
i mean mid-summer, right before the trade deadline and the middle of a pennant and race and nothing? not even a real postgame post?
Come back pete!
Ralphie
Why don’t you park it. Your Rahs Rahs are getting a little weak. Your Poms Poms are calling.
It’s called situational hitting.
Last game of the Series, bases loaded. Pop up by Teix and a DP, It was overswinging. A Rod pulled an outside pitch.
With A Rod it’s simple, when he goes opposite field he’s hitting well. I hate to belabor the obvious but I guess it’s necessary to enlighten the dim.
“But that’s what people who don’t like to read or listen to any opinions but their own do.”
Pot meet kettle.
You can whine, moan, and complain all you like but the “bottom line” is you made the remark that A-Rod did zilch in California.
Well, you’d be wrong. He hit .385 in the series with 3 HR and 5 RBI.
Period. End of story.
Tex does get a little overanxious at times, doesn’t he? haha.
As long as we win, it’s all good.
All good. Can’t nitpick at-bat to at-bat, and game-to-game.
Got to look at the whole body of work. That’s why early season grumblings about certain players were ridiculous. Baseball players, by nature, are streaky. And baseball is a game of failure, or something like that. So, focus on the positives rather than the negatives.
Just take a chill pill and enjoy.
Maybe I’m imagining things, but everytime Damon has a problem in the field, he comes up with some physical excuse. This season alone, he’s complained about his shoulder, calf, back and eyes.
Except the early season grumblings about AJ and Hughes. Those were spot on and helpful.
Pete,
Josh Thomson did an excellent job updating the blog today. Great Job!
RalphieD,
you just proved my point – you’ll be happy with the wild card.
Cashman has NO CLUE how to build a TEAM.
Damon did slide awkwardly into home plate last night. He didn’t make that up.
You could see that he was shaken up in the dugout a bit after it happened.
Teams aren’t — oops, sorry, TEAMS aren’t happy with wild cards?
Giuseppe Franco
I’m not going to spend time discussing stats. The first two games in California were blowouts. Everyone was hitting. The crucial game was the third one – a sweep or a lost series. Twice the #3 and 4 hitters were up and diddled the pooch, trying to hit eleventeen HRs. Now we can quote stats and call it bad luck. Oh Boy, A Rod hit 385. How did the Yankees make out?
Nah, Cash. I don’t think so.
Although, I suspect at times Girardi does shield Johnny from scrutiny by bringing up stuff.
If Johnny’s going to be a problem in the field, don’t use him so much. Especially if he’s nicked up.
I value offense, as the next person, but I think defense matters, too. (ahem-Brett Gardner).
Tom S
July 18th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Bottom line…
Brian Cashman has lowered the bar so much, that we`re happy to be a few games behind the Red Sox and might make the wild card.
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Maybe that’s because the bar needed to be lowered. It’s tough rooting for a team that needs to win the World Series every year or be called a failure. Hence the number of miserable posters on this site that complain over every loss.
By the way, I don’t think too many people here are “happy” to be behind the Red Sox. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.
40-22 since Rodriguez came off the disabled list May 8 the best record in the majors.
Its funny reading all the complaints about the backend of the rotation not being good enough to get into the postseason. The yanks are playing great baseball since May. Brad Penny got lit up for 6 runs in 5 innings today he has an over 5 era and according to baseball tonight the red sox have a great backend rotation and have too much quality starting pitching.
I’m happy with a postseason berth. Don’t really care if it’s a division title or the wildcard.
Four teams have won the wildcard and gone on to win the World Series (Marlins (twice), Red Sox, and Angels).
“Nah, Cash. I don’t think so.
Although, I suspect at times Girardi does shield Johnny from scrutiny by bringing up stuff.
If Johnny’s going to be a problem in the field, don’t use him so much. Especially if he’s nicked up.”
I’m not saying his making up his injuries, but somehow his minor injuries keep coming up after he has trouble in the field such as missing catches which he’s done more than a few times this season.
I don’t like getting stuck with wild card either – 20 points in Uno.
Tom S
July 18th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
RalphieD,
you just proved my point – you’ll be happy with the wild card.
Cashman has NO CLUE how to build a TEAM.
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cashman never had to build a team.
they just threw money around.
we have a great farm system with a lot of kids helping & many more on the way.
he focused of the farm system & turned it around quickly.
maybe you should be a mets fan because their system is empty.
if i were them i would trade wright,reyes,beltran for 10-12 prospects.
with fernando martinez & the prospects you get from wright,reyes,beltran combined with one good draft they can build a nice cheap team that will be nore more painfull to vwatch than this bunch.
they are in trouble.
Kazmir v. Greinke right now.
Greinke trying to get his ERA under 2. Kazmir trying to keep his ERA under 7.
Bo Knows,
All I know is you discount facts you don’t like because they run contrary to your twisted views.
I’ve got news for you, A-Rod isn’t going to hit .750 the rest of the season and .950 with RISP.
I do know that the Yanks ave the best record in baseball since he returned from the DL and that’s not good enough for you.
Well, that’s your prerogative but it’s easier to satisfy an alcoholic with an O’Douls than a whining Yankee “fan” with facts about A-Rod’s production this season.
So I’m not going to bother with it.
Hey was that Michael Kay sitting among fans today?
There are a very large number of knowledgeable posters on this site along with the “ahem” notsos. Part of baseball are discussions and points of view, it’s supposed to be all in fun. All this calling out people and piling on is simply bad manners. If I can’t cheap shot someone without resorting to “moron”, I’ll hand in my snark badge. Give this site a little class people.
BJK
Maybe that’s because the bar needed to be lowered. It’s tough rooting for a team that needs to win the World Series every year or be called a failure. Hence the number of miserable posters on this site that complain over every loss.
The bar needs to be lowered? Any one of us could do that no problem. Cashman’s job is to raise it.
Jackson vs. Joba.
Oh geeez, I wonder who will win the game tomorrow.
Oh Boy,
Guisseppe tells me I’m whiney and twisted and something about Irish alchoholics, Oh the Shame of it, I have been rebuked on a blog. However will I live this down? Why would facts bother him so much?
Joba does.
Hi ER. Do you think Joba will be injured tomorrow?
Watching Giants/Pirates game… score crawl indicates that we have lost to the Angels 14-8… very odd.
I thought the Yankees won today????
Sheesh.
“I thought the Yankees won today????
Sheesh.”
It doesn’t matter, some people just like to argue.
My last post was not in response to Nick’s post about the scrawl. It was a general reaction to the sniping that is going on here because the Yankees for some reason can’t seem to find it in themselves to win every game, and the players, particularly ARod can’t see to get a hit with RISP 100% of the time, and that they seem to be human and not robots, and oh, Cashman stinks and has made us too willing to accept the wild card spot in the playoffs.
Is that it?
Like I said, I thought the Yankees won a great game today against a really tough pitcher. And gained a game on the Red Sox. But I guess it doesn’t really matter.
The Yankees went up against the top pitcher in the Majors and more due to luck than good management stole a win. Two runs on a pop fly and then a bouncer up the middle, a bloop double and an IF single. All good. Now let’s quietly sneak over to tomorrow before Detroit gets upset. No need to get defensive.
2 games back.
here we come.
i think girardi is finally managing great.
Perhaps the two runs were “more due to luck than good management”, bo knows, but the other half of the equation is the single run that was allowed.
Can we the fans be happy about that and can we go a little farther and credit those who signed CC and found Aceves?
Doreen,
and oh, Cashman stinks and has made us too willing to accept the wild card spot in the playoffs.
if you had the resources and budget that Cashman has, who would have won more WS in the past 9 yrs, you or Cash?
lol, don’t take the bait, Doreen.
Tom S, you need to hook up with randy l. Are you near the Cape?
Tom S -
I don’t play that game.
Pete,
Where are you?
m -
I didn’t.
What a whiner Gerald Lair is – I hope his brother (who is in the Yanks’ system) is a bit more grown up. What a bunch of little boys – they can’t deal with losing a game, then they shouldn’t be playing in the first place.
Doreen, I just had a marathon UNO match with some friends from work last night……..I hadn’t played it since I was a kid. I’m mean, but I LOVED making people draw 2 and 4. I won 3 times!
Doreen,
I rest my case…
Doreen,
Saw that. More anglers here than in a bass tourney. Gotta watch out.
Tom S
July 18th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
The bar needs to be lowered? Any one of us could do that no problem. Cashman’s job is to raise it.
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Let me clarify. Your original statement was “Brian Cashman has lowered the bar so much, that we`re happy to be a few games behind the Red Sox and might make the wild card.”
That led me to believe you were talking about what fans’ expectations should be.
Cashman’s job is to win a world series. That is the bar he has set for himself, as it should be. How can he raise that bar? 173-0 season?
I was referring to fan’s expectations, where the fans set the bar. If the bar is the ’98 season 125-50 record, you are in for some more disappointments.
My bar is to compete, make the playoffs (preferably as division champs), play well, get back to the world series and then win it. Right now, we are on the “compete” stage, and so far so good.
We can’t win the World Series in July, which is where the bar feels sometimes.
Betsy -
It’s been a while since we played UNO with all the rules! My younger daughter loves UNO, but she loves it her way. And she likes playing so often, we just do the quickie version – no scorekeeping, no special cards and no wild cards.
We used to play all the time with my husband’s parents – 6 or 8 handed games. It was great. And my husband’s dad was very cutthroat! (They taught me pinochle when we first got married, too.)
Don’t bother responding to folks who just want to wallow in their own misery………..that’s my advice.
I’d prefer to win the division, but if we make it as a wild card, so be it – who really cares? Weren’t the Sox the wild card in 2004? The Rays made it to the WS as a wild card…..and these are just two examples.
GF is defending Alex just fine, so I won’t say anything else about his critics – in one ear and out the other. These same people boo the living daylights out of him and then cheer him like a conquering hero -all in the same game. Either they’re hypocritical or bipolar……….can’t figure out which one.
Today was a great win…nuff said.
Doreen, we didn’t keep score last night either. When I was a kid, I went to a bungalow colony for the summer. All the kids used to get big blankets and we would make a giant tent out of same. Inside the tent, we would play UNO until it became dark – fond memories.
I don’t like to lose or do badly at anything (don’t get me started when I play Jeopardy with my parents). I remember being annoyed at my mother when she was helping my grandmother with Scrabble, lol
Betsy,
Actually, the Rays won the division last year, but you point is still valid, obviously. Also, since May 8th, the day he came back, no player in the AL has more HRs, RBIs, or BBs than Arod.
For Staten Island, they lead 2-0 after 7 innings. Neil Medchill continues to tear it up. 2-3 with his 8th homer and 20th RBI w/.355 average 10 doubles in 93 at bats.
I couldn’t believe when I saw ARod has 18 HRs. I thought someone made a mistake. Guy missed an entire month of the season. And most of them have been “important” HRs (as some people define that). Amazing. He may not be the easiest player for fans to deal with off the field, but on the field, it’s inbelievable the standard he’s held to.
Also, since May 8th, the day he came back, no player in the AL has more HRs, RBIs, or BBs than Arod.
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Which is a pretty remarkable accomplishment when you consider A-Rod didn’t even have a Spring Training and was still recovering from the hip surgery on top of it.
Doreen – I forget who said/wrote it, but a cynic is someone who knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing.
Some people are very cynical, either through life experiences or immaturity. Don’t get caught up in it.
Oops, Mark – thanks for the correction. I gave the Sox a division title they didn’t earn, lol.
Throwing stats to Alex haters won’t do anything because they don’t want to know from facts; Alex became persona non grata to them from the moment that Esquire article came out. It IS amazing how many big hits and esp. HRs Alex has had…….I like the guy, so I’m happy for him.
Giuseppe Franco
July 18th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Also, since May 8th, the day he came back, no player in the AL has more HRs, RBIs, or BBs than Arod.
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Which is a pretty remarkable accomplishment when you consider A-Rod didn’t even have a Spring Training and was still recovering from the hip surgery on top of it.
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He’s played in 60 of 90 games. To put it in perspective, at his pace this season he might be at 26ish HRs, 70ish RBIS by now.
Joe From LI -
thanks. I’m good. Just shakin’ my head a bit.
Doreen
July 18th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I couldn’t believe when I saw ARod has 18 HRs. I thought someone made a mistake. Guy missed an entire month of the season. And most of them have been “important” HRs (as some people define that). Amazing. He may not be the easiest player for fans to deal with off the field, but on the field, it’s inbelievable the standard he’s held to.
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14 of the 18 homers have come when the difference in the score was 2 runs or less.
For those who follow the Staten Island Yankees, this season’s 4th draft pick got a big write-up at yankees.com. Seems he’s off to a quick start:
http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com.....8;c_id=nyy
“It IS amazing how many big hits and esp. HRs Alex has had…….I like the guy, so I’m happy for him.”
Speaking of stats and big hits, I remember seeing some stats last year showing close and late, walk-off hits and Hrs, etc, and Arod was ahead of or very close to Manny in all of the categories. Yet, Manny is the clutch hero, and Arod evidently gets all those big hits when fans go to the refrigerator or the restroom.
Yikes. Make that “this year’s fourth round pick”
SJ’s nephew, Tony Sanchez, is 1-4 with an RBI single tonight. Only bad point was his catcher’s interference error. At the bottom of this link is a brief bio on him.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=506997
In the completion on last night’s Scranton game, Jackson ended with 1-4 and an RBI. In today’s game, he’s 0-2 with a walk and stolen base.
Montero is 0-1 and 2 walks.
I was listening to the Giants/Pirates game while driving up highway 99 last night and the announcer said something like “the Giants don’t want to face the Pirates’ best hitter, Sanchez…” and I thought “wait a second, how long have I been away????”
Nice to see others realize what we already know…
http://www.detroittigertales.c.....oving.html
Montero ties the score at 4-4 with a grand slam.
A Rod and Pujols are the top two players in baseball, bar none. At this time A Rod is sacrificing average for power, ie stats. He will frequently come to bat where a nice smooth single will drive in a run or two but instead will go for the fences. Now making that point is not whining, is not dissing A Rod, it’s stating a fact. When A Rod hits to all fields he is a great hitter, when he’s pulling the outside pitch to SS, not.
This is the best team money can buy as in three top players added last year at a large cash outlay. I’m completely impressed by the Aceves signing, CC not so much. By the same token, they had to sign two pitchers because the kids did not develop soon enough. Considering the handicap of George and the expectations, Cashman has done an excellent job since he got control contrary to Randy I statements as witness the reborn Minor League system but again that was self defense. They had to rebuild the system or get blown out of the water by at least Boston.
When they win a series against the Angels,and the RS this season,people will settle down.
The Yankees pulled out a good win today.Go Mo!!
Does anyone know why CC pitched after AJ,instead of before?
Watching this Royals/Rays game.
Great pitching, good defense.
But what’s really standing out is the music at the Kaufman stadium.
Killers, Pressure (not sure who’s version), and now Blondie.
Royals leading 2-1. Juan Cruz in now.
Washburn pitched well again tonight. Are we going to get him if we don’t get Halladay?
HOLY JESUS MONTERO!
After one great pitching duel today in the Bronx, we will see another tomorrow in Toronto. Lester vs Halladay will be exceptional.
They said that Buckholtz was auditioning for the Blue Jays Friday night. Halladay is auditioning for the Yankees tomorrow. I hope he does very well.
Juan Cruz blew it last night, hope he has better luck tonight. I don’t think you can say Arod is sacrificing avg for power based on his .250 so far this year, his struggles from his 2nd to 4th week back would normally have been during ST. Now, if he hits .250 next year and following, like Giambi, then I will agree.
“Does anyone know why CC pitched after AJ,instead of before?”
I think they wanted to get AJ out there as soon as possible, his last time with 7 ? days rest was pretty bad. His control wasn’t great last night, but it may have been even worse with 1 more day.
Shoot, RB/KC tied it 2-2
Mark, not much better.
Leadoff walk, got ahead of Burrell who hit a 1 out double to score the tying run.
Greinke loses bid for 11th win.
Aybar with the go-ahead double.
And, Juan Cruz strikes again. Where are all those people who said we needed him this past offseason? Kazmir left with an injured arm.
Meant TB/KC 3-2,now
To clarify, the leadoff walk was issued by Bale.
Kazmir pitched 6 full innings over 100 pitches, they didn’t say anything until now. Forearm cramping they’re saying.
Like we all didn’t see the Royals blowing yet another one………………….
Man KC is awful.They can’t get out of the inning.
Now I know where the expression ‘Royal Flush’ comes from, as KC flushes another win down the old crapper!!
KC pitcher Roman Colon,any relationship to Bartolo?
Man, Im heading up to the city next weekend for the friday night game against the a’s. I believe Joba is the scheduled starter, hopefully he’ll do well. I also realized it will be against Brett Anderson (guy who threw a complete game shutout at boston a couple weeks ago)
Montero with a 3 run homer. niiice
Or was it a Granny?
Wait.
Montero has already one Grannie, are you telling me he’s just hit another?
No he just hit one my fault lol
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 18th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Wait.
Montero has already one Grannie, are you telling me he’s just hit another?
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Rebecca, he hit a 7th inning 2 out full count curve ball for a slam. In the 8th inning, he had a two out popup with two runners on base. He also had a passed ball to allow the tying run in, but, trenton still won the game.
okay b/c he was just up with the bases juiced a second time.
dam warren the yankees draft pick said:
“Playing against guys who were the best in college, the talent takes a step up here,” he said. “As far as pitching, getting that first strike is huge. You need to hit your spots, you can’t just throw it hard or you’re going to be punished. That’s the biggest thing I’ve learned”
sounds smart.
adam
Very impressive article on how Veritek works with the RS pitchers.
http://www.boston.com/sports/c.....k_the.html
Where can we find more of this?
Heard the quote from Justin. Talk about a sore loser. Hey don’t throw it where he can hit it. Would he whine and cry if his hitters got that? I don’t think so.
Backbench.
My guess is that most catchers make that same effort in planning or close to it.
Thanks for posting it.
The reference to Timlin makes me want to swing a bat again. Looking for some batting gloves as I write this.
-dennis
jennifer
July 18th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Heard the quote from Justin. Talk about a sore loser. Hey don’t throw it where he can hit it. Would he whine and cry if his hitters got that? I don’t think so.
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Here was a quote from Verlander two days ago about the new stadium. LOL what a baby now he is complaining because he lost.
As for homer-friendly Yankee Stadium, Verlander said that he doesn’t concern himself with the longballs.
“It jumps for both sides the same way,” he said. “Just pitch your game. Go right at them.”
77513
Funny how when the ball bounced the yankees way he didn’t like it.
“Rebecca, he hit a 7th inning 2 out full count curve ball for a slam. In the 8th inning, he had a two out popup with two runners on base.”
Just remarkable. It’s hard to get over. 19 year olds just don’t do this.
Bases loaded 3-2 count – it’s the minor leagues – that’s a fastball count. In low A and high A that’s a guaranteed fastball. Even in AA that’s going to be a fastball the vast majority of the time.
Especially when the hitter up at bat is a 19 year old with 110 at bats in AA.
That the pitcher threw a curve ball tells you how much respect he had for Montero. He wouldn’t give in 3-2, bases loaded – to a 19 year old.
But what’s even more impressive is how Montero must have been able to recognize and adjust to the pitch. He had to be thinking fastball.
But instead he gets a curve ball and drills it on a line over the left field fence.
19 years just don’t do this.
dennis-Costanza
July 18th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Backbench.
My guess is that most catchers make that same effort in planning or close to it.
Thanks for posting it.
The reference to Timlin makes me want to swing a bat again. Looking for some batting gloves as I write this.
-dennis
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Evening, Dennis. Hope all is well up in Moose Tongue with you and Ms. Amy.
I’d heard that Jason Giambi has filed collusion charges against baseball for keeping Timlin out of baseball.
Of course, I also heard that Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz had pooled their pocket change to pay for Scott Proctor’s surgery and rehab. They need to pad their stats.
could montero be close to a pujols or hanley???
CB
July 18th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
“Rebecca, he hit a 7th inning 2 out full count curve ball for a slam. In the 8th inning, he had a two out popup with two runners on base.”
Just remarkable. It’s hard to get over. 19 year olds just don’t do this.
Bases loaded 3-2 count – it’s the minor leagues – that’s a fastball count. In low A and high A that’s a guaranteed fastball. Even in AA that’s going to be a fastball the vast majority of the time.
Especially when the hitter up at bat is a 19 year old with 110 at bats in AA.
That the pitcher threw a curve ball tells you how much respect he had for Montero. He wouldn’t give in 3-2, bases loaded – to a 19 year old.
But what’s even more impressive is how Montero must have been able to recognize and adjust to the pitch. He had to be thinking fastball.
But instead he gets a curve ball and drills it on a line over the left field fence.
19 years just don’t do this.
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It only made it better because it was against the Red Sox AA team. He was 0-2 on the count at one time, and, it sounded like he was overanxious because the announcers said he was swinging and just about coming out of his shoes.
bru July 18th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
could montero be close to a pujols or hanley???
Probably more like Miguel Cabrera
GB7.
I believe everything you say except the Manny pooling together money. Sadly I have had too many experiences with drivers and others that have told me he is worse than cheap. The stories are awful. Really sad when you do not take care of others IMO.
In a more positive note, good effort by CC today working out of jams. Congrats.
Penny? Not so much.
-dennis
Let’s let the kid play first before we compare him to great major leaguers…….
I say that because fans are going to start expecting the sun and moon from this kid and when he struggles, as all young players do, it will get ugly. The worst thing a youngster can have in NY are expectations……..they are then expected to be perfect.
Betsy July 18th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Let’s let the kid play first before we compare him to great major leaguers…….
He asked who he could be like. He didn’t say who he was going to be as good as or better than.
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Let’s let the kid play first before we compare him to great major leaguers…….
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i didn’t know ones mind should never be open to such speculation or optimism ever.
why don’t we just talk about only what you wan’t to talk about & have you explain the rules to us all??
Betsy
Its New York. They want every pitcher to be as good as Sandy Koufax. Every hitter to be Babe. Every relief pitcher to be Mo!
dennis-Costanza
July 18th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
GB7.
I believe everything you say except the Manny pooling together money. Sadly I have had too many experiences with drivers and others that have told me he is worse than cheap. The stories are awful. Really sad when you do not take care of others IMO.
In a more positive note, good effort by CC today working out of jams. Congrats.
Penny? Not so much.
-dennis
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yeah, both Sabathia and Burnett have been short on control in their last couple of games, but, except for Boston, they never really seem to get blown out of the games. These two games against Detroit are what pitching is about. Going out to the mound without your best stuff and limiting the damage. Some games like that are almost as good as watching a Clemens or Johnson just blowing everyone away. That was always the fun of watching a Luis Tiant pitch. Just a lot of fun. Almost makes you think that you could do it.
Betsy
i think i am pretty realistic.
i don’t need you telling me what my expectations of a player might be.
but thanks anyways.
GB7.
Poor Charlie Brown. He never went out there with his good stuff and I am pretty sure he never pitched out of a jam.
Is Charlie Brown actually Woody Allen?
Hmmm…
-dennis
dennis-Costanza
July 18th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
GB7.
Poor Charlie Brown. He never went out there with his good stuff and I am pretty sure he never pitched out of a jam.
Is Charlie Brown actually Woody Allen?
Hmmm…
-dennis
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I was thinking Charlie Brown was Julian Tavares or Edwar Ramirez. Two guys with basically less than nothing and still have a job.
Were you here in Savannah when Luis Tiant was the head baseball coach at Savannah College Of Art And Design and Cazzie Russell was the head coach of the basketball team? They took a school with no sports programs and developed winniners. They’ve had 5 baseball players drafted, including two by the Yanks. Two of the nicest guys you’d ever want to meet.
GB, I remember what Clemens always said about actually enjoying when he didn’t have his great stuff because he really had to pitch (or something like that). He said he had his best stuff a certain percentage of the time, bad stuff a certain percentage and the rest of the time he had ok stuff (and it was easy to pitch when he was throwing great, but when he wasn’t, he had to really work – it was more of an effort). CC and AJ have definitely walked the tightrope the past couple of games, but they deserve a lot of credit for not buckling. CC is a finished product – we know what we’re getting from him – but AJ is not, oddly, at 32. I don’t mean in terms of repertoire, but more in terms of learning to pitch – finding a way to get it done when he’s not dominating.
The pitcher Montero hit the granny off of was Dustin Richardson. Sox Prospects has him as one of the Sox Top 30 prospects.
He’s 6’6, lefty and is 25 years old. He played college ball at Texas Tech.
He had a 2.72 ERA. Hitters are batting .189 off of him this year. He’s struck out 65 hitters in 45 innings out of the pen for Portland.
He’s given up 2 HR so far this year.
Pitchers like Richardson are exactly why the transition to AA can be so difficult for hitters – especially young ones. The pitchers are much more experienced, more talented and older than the ones in A ball. It’s a huge step up in terms of pitching between A and AA.
How many 6’6 lefties has Montero ever seen? Richardson’s release point must be very hard to pick up given his size and the fact that he’s a lefty. He obviously has much more experience than Montero.
In his short career Montero has actually had more trouble with lefties than righties.
Baseball America had Montero as the #3 prospect in baseball in their mid season ranking. The kid who was #2 was Mike Stanton.
Stanton is Montero’s age and has tracked Montero in terms of promotions. He is enormously gifted, especially in terms of his physical tools.
Stanton is hitting .220 with a .313 OBP and a .730 OPS. He’s struck out 41 times in 127 plate appearances.
Montero is has 6 home runs now and 15 strike outs in 116 plate appearances.
Betsy, Leiter was talking about Burnett today or yesterday. Other than one being a lefty and the other a righty, they had a lot in common. Both had electric stuff, arm troubles and games with no control.
I can’t remember whay he said exactly, but it had to do with when Burnett swung around to deliver the ball, his right side would lead out front. Basically, they both had bad mechanics.
We have only been in SAV for 3 years. I have heard great stories though.
I really can not imagine that city w/out SCAD.
-dennis
Hey CB.
Hope you are having a great weekend.
Gutsy win today for CC. The guy is a horse.
-dennis
The nice thing to see is since Montero’s promotion, he’s really picked up the walks and cut down on the strikeouts. That’s always impressive. The great thing about his homers, although many are light tower shots, most are just high line drives that just keep carrying. Last year, he hit some absolute monsters here in Savannah. There’s an old guy that I talk to (he’s about 80 with season tickets) and at a game last year, Montero hit two unreal shots. The old man, who said he remembers when Kenny Harrelson (who’s from Savannah) played here hit some that were close, but, only Mantle had cleared the pine trees until Montero did it.
GB, did Leiter really have electric stuff? I don’t recall that being the case – not that he didn’t have a good arm, but an arm like AJ’s? I always thought Leither threw 92-93……of course, I could be thinking of the older Al. I barely remember him when he was young.
David Cone sometimes calls AJ’s delivery a “wheeling and dealing” type – I think he’s referring to the way AJ sort of turns all the way around and then flings his arm during his follow through. That sounds like what you’re talking about – although Coney likes the “wheeling and dealing” style. I know nothing about mechanics, but when I saw AJ in ST, I thought he was very fluid – again, Coney mentioned how free and easy AJ threw (that’s what I saw).
dennis,
The weekend is going well. How about with you?
I was concerned about CC. He looked very off today for a while in ways which made me concerned about his arm being sore. But he really turned it around.
How did Buchholz look yesterday? He was throwing very hard from what I saw on his pitch f/x data.
Oops, Leiter………
CB, those power/K numbers are mind-boggling…….I certainly hope Montero turns out to be all that; he seems like a nice kid and the Yankees are short in top positional prospects
Dennis, what is the word up there? Are the Sox seriously into Halladay? If so, the Yanks can not let them get the good Doc…..If they are willing to trade Bucholz, that gives them a leg up on the Yankees, because I don’t think the Yankees would trade Phil or Joba.
Betsy
July 18th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
GB, did Leiter really have electric stuff? I don’t recall that being the case – not that he didn’t have a good arm, but an arm like AJ’s? I always thought Leither threw 92-93……of course, I could be thinking of the older Al. I barely remember him when he was young.
David Cone sometimes calls AJ’s delivery a “wheeling and dealing” type – I think he’s referring to the way AJ sort of turns all the way around and then flings his arm during his follow through. That sounds like what you’re talking about – although Coney likes the “wheeling and dealing” style. I know nothing about mechanics, but when I saw AJ in ST, I thought he was very fluid – again, Coney mentioned how free and easy AJ threw (that’s what I saw).
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When Leiter was just coming up, his stuff was burnett and Guidry electric. There were two kids that came through the system that may have been better. One was Bill Burbeck in the ’60s and the other was Gil Patterson. Guidry and Leiter both said that Patterson could have been as great as anyone. He hurt his arm in his 3rd start and never recovered. Yeah, to answer your question, Leiter was electric.
He came back later as a minor league instructor. He was parking cars at a fancy restaurant in Tampa, and George Steinbrenner drove in. He remembered Patterson and hired him to instruct.
CB, what do you make of Heyman’s report that the Jays never returned the Yankees’ initial call on Halladay from 10 days ago?
I tend to doubt it. First off, that would be amazingly rude of JP. Secondly, it’s just not how a GM conducts business….and if it is, he should be fired. JP won’t always be with the Jays (or an AL East team) where he can maybe get away with not making trades in the division. IF he should one day land with another team, it won’t help him deal with Cash (or anyone else) if it turns out that he didn’t even show the common courtesy of returning phone calls, etc………
Do teams not respond to other teams’ calls if they are not interested in what that team that made the call had to say? Even if that’s the case, I don’t understand why JP wouldn’t even listen….
Burnett’s problem isn’t fluid delivery. The way he throws makes it difficult to keep throwing the same way from the same position.
CB.
Great so far. Going to swim with Samantha (our dog) in the AM in the Cove and then walk down to the only restaraunt on the island for brunch with Amy. Time hopefully will go lightly on Sunday.
I thought Bucholtz looked great. Perhaps, (as you would say) I have my fan glasses on but he threw hard and his secondary stuff was there as usual. He is a good player to have in AAA IMO.
Life in the AL East is like trying to trade with ExxonMobil.
-dennis
Betsy.
Hope you are well.
No word and really no one knows. Doc would be great but I think the Sox are in dire need of a righthanded hitter.
When is your trip to Philly?
-dennis
“what do you make of Heyman’s report that the Jays never returned the Yankees’ initial call on Halladay from 10 days ago?”
Not much. It’s just a ploy to try to reserve leverage. It’s way too early for the Jays to really get serious with anyone, never mind in the AL east. They’re kicking tires right now.
JP is going to explore every option outside of the AL east first.
There’s not benefit to him going to the Yanks or Sox right now. He needs serious offers from other clubs first.
Then, if he’s willing to deal in the division, he can basically say look you’ll have to do much, much better than this offer if you want Doc.
GB, I guess I don’t remember Leiter coming up all that well as it was a long time ago and I was a lot younger, lol. The only thing I remember about Al back then was that he was from New Jersey and it was going to be a local kid makes good story if he made to the Yanks. When did he lose that “elecricity”? AJ never has, fortunately. In any case, Leiter was all for signing AJ – I guess he saw something in AJ , saw that he was a different pitcher, one who turned the corner in his career. I hope so – so far, so good.
*Leiter certainly ended up having a terrific career. I don’t even remember who the Yankees trade him to and what they got for him, lol
CB.
I truly do not believe JP will deal in the division. I know people point to the the Clemens deal but that is history. This is a career move for JP.
-dennis
dennis,
We’ve talked about buchholz before. I think he’s going to be very good. Beutiful change up (which he really threw a lot yesterday).
The reaction to his struggles last year reminded me a lot of what Hughes went through and what Joba is going through now. The whole notion of him not being “tough enough” seemed very over blown.
Only thing I wonder with him is his fastball. It’a very straight as he comes so radically over the top.
But he was really throwing hard yesterday so maybe the velocity will make that less of an issue.
AL East is just ridiculous.
Joba, Hughes and Bucholtz are great examples of why it is much easier to develop pitchers in Seattle, KC, Cleve, SF, etc.
IMO.
-dennis
“Leiter certainly ended up having a terrific career. I don’t even remember who the Yankees trade him to and what they got for him, lol”
Jesse Barfield. And that was when Barfield was on the down swing.
That’s was painful trade.
GB7 is right. Leiter had an enormous arm – very live, very electric when he was young and with the yankees.
It wasn’t until Leiter picked up the cutter and started throwing softer that he had success.
But he was enormously talented when he was with the yankees. Best arm they’d had in a long time.
Jesse Barfield.
Betsy
July 19th, 2009 at 12:06 am
GB, I guess I don’t remember Leiter coming up all that well as it was a long time ago and I was a lot younger, lol. The only thing I remember about Al back then was that he was from New Jersey and it was going to be a local kid makes good story if he made to the Yanks. When did he lose that “elecricity”? AJ never has, fortunately. In any case, Leiter was all for signing AJ – I guess he saw something in AJ , saw that he was a different pitcher, one who turned the corner in his career. I hope so – so far, so good.
*Leiter certainly ended up having a terrific career. I don’t even remember who the Yankees trade him to and what they got for him, lol
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Years of arm problems and blisters on his fingers, Betsy. It was one of the worst trades NYY made during the 80s, trading him for Jesse Barfield. Leiter had arm problems and NYY needed a right fielder. They got Barfield two years too late and gave up Leiter two years too early.
“Joba, Hughes and Bucholtz are great examples of why it is much easier to develop pitchers in Seattle, KC, Cleve, SF, etc.”
Zach Greinke.
I can’t even imagine what would have happenned to him in NY or Boston when he was going through his issues with anxiety. Can’t even imagine.
I remember in idle trade speculation over this past winter a few people brought up the idea of trading Cano for Greinke or something like that.
Most people on the board thought that was completely absurd because Greinke was a “headcase” and of course would never make it in NY.
He had front line stuff. But no one wanted to see it. Guiseppe Franco was the guy who was the big Greinke supporter in those talks IIRC and people on the board pilloried him for it.
Guiseppe Franco is a great poster. I really like reading his stuff. I always read his posts.
I agree on Greinke. IMO there is no way that turn around happens in NY or Bos.
-dennis