Notes and quotes from another win
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 20, 2009 
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How about those smiles? Here are a few random stats and notes for you:
• The Yankees have won three straight games by a 2-1 score. That last happened July 11-13, 1991 at Anaheim. The Yankees provided us bad information there. It was the first time the Yankees won three in a row scoring two runs or less since 1991.
• That’s nine walk-off wins, as many as they had all of last season. “It never gets old,” Mark Teixeira said. “If that happens to me 100 more times in my career, I’ll go crazy every time.”
• Chien-Ming Wang said the pain is in the front of his shoulder and that he did not cut his workout short, he threw 30 times as planned. He’s worried, but not overly so. Still, he will do nothing until Friday when he tries to play catch again.
• Andy Pettitte’s eight strikeouts were a season high. He threw his cutter more than he has all season, which was part of the reason. Baltimore didn’t expect it.
• Yankees pitching the last four days: 36 innings, 6 earned runs, 32 strikeouts. The team ERA is down to 4.40.
• Hideki Matsui had a lot of fun throwing his helmet and getting the pie-in-the-face treatment from A.J. Burnett. “That would be unusual for Japan,” Godzilla said with a smile.
Finally, watch the Mike Mussina Yankeeography on YES tonight. Radio legend Sweeny Murti, the pride of the Upper East Side Mark Feinsand and I are among those who were interviewed along with George King, who covered Mike in Little League.
Thanks to everybody for reading. We’ve had just over 2,000 comments today and it’s only going to get better on the blog as the pennant race heats up.
dag!
Gammons looks like he could puke on the set of baseball tonight as they talk up the Yankees. He doesnt even bother hiding his bias anymore, ridiculous.
Posada does not make both of those plays at the plate.
I doubt that Gammon’s even knew where he was.
The thought of Mussina in the 5 spot sounds pretty good right now. Would love to get him the ring he came for but I know he is dead set on staying retired and he wouldn’t even be able to get back until mid August even if he wanted to.
Wishful thinking.
I don’t get why people get so up in arms about Gammons.
It’s not that big of a deal.
Great job as always Pete.
Just saw Gammons saying that San Diego is not going to trade Gonzalez, even though he has been shamelessly picketing for it on Baseball Tonight. Said the Red Sox would give up four players for him (including Buchholz).
Still, Gammons basically said they would wait until the end of the season. He intimated though that they should trade him because they draw no crowds.
Gonzalez is young, ridiculously affordable, and is huge with the Latin fan base in San Diego. There’s no reason to trade him.
You won’t find one rumor about the Padres shopping Gonzalez. Gammons basically invented a trade proposal for the Sox. Shameless.
Peter Gammons: Carrying Theo Epstein’s water since 2003.
and here come the Rays in the 9th.
It is very likely that the Jays put out the “trade offer” to get the Phillies nervous and see if they will offer a better package. It would make sense since Philly is the team you hear has the best shot. Maybe Heyman is a JP buddy just like he is a Boras one. I am sure the Jays are hoping to get Drabek put on the table.
What did the guys on Baseball Tonight say?
Glad to hear that Matsui enjoyed the pie in the face routine – it’s just such a happy thing and I get a huge kick out of seeing the guys act like little boys.
Mama Moose wearing the Yankees shirt.
Depending as I do on Gameday, I rarely actually see the players………..whi is that really, really tall guy on the left of Pete’s picture?
Gammons looked sick on BBT. What happened ?
Jenks just walked the bases loaded against Tampa after getting the first 2 outs.
Texas wins
George King covered Andy Pettitte in Little League? Weird……
If JP’s pride is preventing him from listening to the Sox or Yanks, then he’s a fool. Trading Halladay is an indication that the Jays are folding their tents for the next two or three years; so what if Doc pitches for your rivals? The most important thing is getting the best haul possible because the Jays will NEVER have another chance such as this.
If it’s true, the Mets are dumb and the Jays are dumber. I’m sick to my stomach at how close the Mets were to getting Santana and Halladay…….not that it might not still happen
Tampa Bay battling…bases loaded, 2 outs, down by 1 in the 9th…
SOX LOSE BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FIRST PLACE!
Yankees in 1st again!
White Sox Win
RAYS LOSE BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He gone! White Sox win.
Best case scenario night for the Yanks.
Jenks K’s Bartlett for the win. Another game up on the Rays.
Boy, Mussina has been basically a bridesmade his entire career. He was just a couple of lucky breaks from becoming a baseball immortal. Contrast his career with David Cone who seemed to always be in the right place. Makes you wonder how much of it is just luck.
SportsCenter just said this is the first time ever that Yanks have won 3 in a row by a 2-1 score.
let’s keep 1st place for a while this time
This is one time I don’t mind listening to the White Sox’ homer announcers! LOL……..You can put it on the board!!
Pete — thanks for making the race this season even more fun with your witty comments, photos and observations.
Life without Pete’s blog…I don’t even want to think about it.
Gammons may as well wear a Red Sox jersey while on BBT. I hate travelling…hotels don’t get the MLB network.
“moving on up, to the deluxe apartment in the sky!”
So did we decide? Is this the 2nd or the 3rd time we’ve caught Boston this season? I think it’s the 3rd.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=290720110
Pie-zilla
Boston Dave, just thought I’d mention that I always said the Yanks had nothing to fear from the Sux!!!
Thank you, thank you!
Does anyone know how much it would cost to get Extra Innings for the rest of the season
With the Yankees offensive offense, I don’t think the odds are that good. Now Boston away from home raises the odds quite a bit. 4 hits tonight – 2 of them HRs, six innings of brutal at bats. Oh yeah, the Yanks are smoking.
Did George King cover Andy or moose?
We’re in first, eh?
Let’s keep it that way.
I hate the O’s announcer. He says,”And the Yankee continue to take advantage of this ballpark that yields more home runs than any other.”
I mean come on Matsui crushed that!
AJ IS using whipped cream and NOT shaving cream, right? Big difference in taste.
Both homers tonight were crushed. Nothing cheap about them.
Matsui’s face – lol……
Wang,
I’ve read that the clubhouse keeps cans of Redi-whip in the frig for AJ.
I don’t think they’d use shaving cream because it would sting the eyes.
Where’s all the baker jokes now that AJ’s pitching well?
what were the players in the mets halladay trade rumor? I heard Parnell, martinez, niese, and who else?
thanks…
Lovin Moose on yankeeography, quite the tractor and car collector.
Start throwin Mike and start your ring collection.
m,
I keep waiting for one of the guys to lick the stuff off his face.
dave
July 20th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Posada does not make both of those plays at the plate.
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And you know that to be a fact? Who are you? Trisha’s identical twin?
“I keep waiting for one of the guys to lick the stuff off his face.”
They need to save something like that for the post-season.
Watching the Moose Yankeeography really highlights how he has been overlooked/overshadowed/wrongplacewrongtime’d in his career. Hope the HOF recognizes his great career and celebrates his tremendous achievements. That’s one thing Moose absolutely deserves.
M, some people will always be sticks in the mud (Francesca comes to mind, lol)……..I don’t even see what’s wrong with AJ pieing anyone if he’s not pitching well. As Jeter has said, if there’s a pieing going on, it means the team has won -that’s all that counts. I swear, people want these guys to go into depressive funks over a few bad starts or games.
If that Jays-Mets trade was offered, I doubt that it was the Mets that turned it down.
I assume everyone saw the Mets turning down Halladay for Niese, F Martinez, Tejada and Parnell.
This year may be done for them. Next year Santana and Halladay combo would be pretty devistating in the NL
pat,
I was going to make an innappriate remark about Jeter getting a pie, but I didn’t want to make someone mad.
Here, Betsy just for you.
Watch all the way until the end…
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=290720110
There would be no reason for the Jays trading for Martinez. He’s on the DL and can’t be traded unless the receiving team takes him as is? Where would he play? The Jays are overloaded in the outfield as is.
Watching Moose, the moment he yells at Torre to stay in the dugout had to be one of the funniest moments I have seen in years.
The Mets-Jays rumor, according to K Law, has been refuted.
M, thanks! YES also did a great job…….they kept the camera on AJ has he snuck up on Matsui, lol.
I’ll have to catch the Moose-ography later – still will never forget his 3 innings of relief against the Sox in 2003
Watching Yankeeography. . I miss Moose! }=(
Jays are overloaded in the OF but apparently are fed up with Rios and Wells is terrible, they may need to move him and eat some salary. Once they move Halladay it’s rebuild mode anyway. Snider is a nice young player, build a few pieces for the future. Except I would have thought they would have wanted Flores at SS instead of Martinez. Martinez reminds me of another talented Lasting Milledge type guy that will never put his skills together consistently.
By the way big ups to Andy for his fine performance today. Exactly what the team needed. Kept them in the game and gave them a chance to win. Less pressure on mitre tomorrow, too.
And Eric Hinske! Wowza.
~~~The Yankees have won three straight games by a 2-1 score. That last happened July 11-13, 1991 at Anaheim.~~~
Pete, FYI, those games in 1991 were 2-0, 2-1, 2-0
http://tinyurl.com/mfnxgd
“I was going to make an innappriate remark about Jeter getting a pie, but I didn’t want to make someone mad.”
m
You don’t seem someone who has let other people’s reaction rule your comments. Don’t start now. People can agree to disagree. As long as they do it politely, of course.
That’s what I don’t get – if the Jays are in rebuild mode, why do they care if Doc ends up pitching for an AL East team? Stupid…….
These Yankeeographies are really slanted. They leave out his playoff chokes in 2005-2007. If he had come up big in just one of those postseasons he would be a Yankee legend.
Nah, pat, we were specifically told not to talk about the person who I could see testing the cream.
BTW, from that espn recap, they said all three of today’s HR would’ve been out of OYS. Hideki’s was 423 ft. (!)
The terrible part of that recap is that NYS is projected for 268 HR in 2009.
Oh, well, might as well take advantage.
Montero HR #7 tonight
Sorry Catcher are not, this kid can flat out hit and seems to have the temperment and work ethic to fit as well. He may very well end up being one of those natural Miguel Cabrera, Manny type hitters with just unreal ability. Given the Yankees don’t have too many position guys with that type of ability no way you trade him in any package unless it’s getting a Josh Beckett type deal like the Sox landed.
He will be a catcher!
It really is a rare treat when the Yankees win on a night that both the Red Sox and Rays lose.
I am off to bed. Good night Yankee people!
Justin Morneau has 7 RBI…and his game’s in the fourth inning.
Betsy,
I’m telling you. Teams are not lining up for Doc because of the perceived cost. If JP were smart, he’d unload Doc & Rios together.
Kay made a very good point. He said to look at all the big pitcher’s that got traded. You had one big chip and the rest were fillers. Unfortunately, we’re in the same division and last in line.
Another great, great win for the Yanks tonight. If they keep playing anything like this, they’ll be back in the playoffs easily and ready to do some damage. Aside from a little uncertainty in the very back end of the rotation, this team doesn’t have many holes. Just everyone stay healthy, keep getting solid starting pitching, this team is looking solid.
Mussina on 2008: “this season had been so much fun”. I wonder if Derek Jeter felt the same way about that season. The more I watch, the more I’m happy Mussina is no longer on the Yankees.
m
I thought you were working the Jorge or Alex angle but since it was the KJ route, I see the dilemma.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 20th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Justin Morneau has 7 RBI…and his game’s in the fourth inning.
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Wow. I would hate to be on the opposing end of that.
Okay, now I am really going to bed. Night night!!
Shouldn’t they put Montero in Scranton by now and get him some serious time in right field?
The Ghost
July 20th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Mussina on 2008: “this season had been so much fun”. I wonder if Derek Jeter felt the same way about that season. The more I watch, the more I’m happy Mussina is no longer on the Yankees.
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There was nothing more Mussina could have done to help the 2008 Yankees. Except for maybe walking Manny in April. But that is a debate for another night
Say what you wanna say about John Sterling, but I love him doing Yankeeographies.
Congratulations GB !! Sydney Lynn and Anthony Michael, Two little Yankee good luck charms!
“And you know that to be a fact? Who are you? Trisha’s identical twin?”
At least my identical twin is still alive!
Angel Berroa
July 20th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Say what you wanna say about John Sterling, but I love him doing Yankeeographies.
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Quit sucking up to get your own Yankeography!
m
I tried to use just her initials in my reply to you and the filter ate it.
Let’s see if this flies:
I thought you were working the Jorge or Alex angle and not someone else.
Mussina was a great pitcher I think he is hall of fame worthy.
Yankees tied in first Gammons is getting nervous
Chamberlain >>>>>>>>>> Bucholtz
Hughes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bard
Tarheelyank
July 20th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Congratulations GB !! Sydney Lynn and Anthony Michael, Two little Yankee good luck charms!
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Thanks, Tar. Sidney came into the world screaming “Sox suck”. She’s already my favorite.
The thing is wouldn’t you actually want Rios. He has 5 tools but doesn’t quite live up to them. But I just don’t think he is a #3 or #4 hitter. Plug him in RF with that cannon and bat him fifth. He has his contract, but the Yankees would be chasing Bay or Holliday or someone else I don’t particularily like for bug money anyway. He’s signed to 2015, which brings him to age 33 or 34 with a $1 mill buyout. I believe his NTC was only for the first two season.
If you could get DOc and Rios and need to part with AJax Romine or some others but hold onto Montero, Hughes, Joba, McAllister would you do it?
Tough call, but CC, Burnett and Halladay in any playoff rotation with Joba and Hughes in the pen. That is pretty devistating.
Mussina on 2008: “this season had been so much fun”. I wonder if Derek Jeter felt the same way about that season. The more I watch, the more I’m happy Mussina is no longer on the Yankees.
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What is that supposed to mean? Moose had a great year, capping off a very good career. What does Jeter ahve to do with it? Some folks are so bitter.
how many other teams in the major leagues have #3 and #4 starters with a combined team win-loss record of .667+. The Yankees are 25-12 when Joba and Andy start games, that’s good enough for me. This team clearly knows how to win games. For those of you who aren’t familiar with other Yankees teams, can any of you name the Yankees #3 and #4 starters from 1961, the year the M&M boys went crazy? I can guarantee you they aren’t household names.
The Yanks are 30-16 @home.
Let the rest of the baseball world gripe and moan about the digs. All that matters is the Yanks are winning, the rest is just noise.
Btw- Angel Berroa sits, the Mets win. Are these events related?
Three straight 2-1 wins…I think the Yankees are just saving up all their runs for Mitre’s start tomorrow.
Eh, I’m sorry Erica, my lasting memory of Mussina will be the 3-1 lead he gave up in Detroit in 2006. I know it’s unfair considering how clutch he was in 2003 and 2004 but unfortunately for him, the rest of the Yankees choked in those series. He really has had rotten luck during his career and for that illogical reason, I’m happy he’s no longer on the team.
pat,
lol. I was thinking that IF Jeter got pied, someone on the field might be tempted to taste test it. You know for journalistic purposes.
But anyway, I saw there was a big discussion of markakis. mmm…
Haven’t seen Montero so can’t assume he can just be plugged into the OF. We have all seen Miguel Cabrera at first where they try to hide his defense. He is a butch out there, but offense is off the charts. Montero seems to want to catch but needs a lot of work. He’s putting in the time and is still really young. See him starting in AA next year and maybe in AAA. If he continues to develop as a catcher, we might not see him for another year after that. He needs as many game behind the plate as they can get him. Patience will be a key with him.
You guys complain about BBT, Kruk is terrible, tonight his quote was “with the addition of Tex, the yankees might have enough to catch the sox”. John, they caught them. Also did anyone catcg Reynolds on MLB, “All the Sox need is Smoltz to pitch 5, and with that bullpen and Paps closing, they can win alot of games.”
“Shouldn’t they put Montero in Scranton by now and get him some serious time in right field?”
No, he needs the full year in AA. He’s only 19 years old–he is going to be given every chance to catch.
i think it was bill stafford and rollie sheldon, but not sure…. a long time ago….
MG
July 20th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
how many other teams in the major leagues have #3 and #4 starters with a combined team win-loss record of .667+. The Yankees are 25-12 when Joba and Andy start games, that’s good enough for me. This team clearly knows how to win games. For those of you who aren’t familiar with other Yankees teams, can any of you name the Yankees #3 and #4 starters from 1961, the year the M&M boys went crazy? I can guarantee you they aren’t household names.
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Whitey Ford, Ralph Terry, bill Stafford, Roland Sheldon and Jim Coates was the spot starter and long relief. All 5 won 11 or more games. Bud Daily was another spot start/long reliever. Luis arroyo was the closer with 29 saves and 15 wins.
gammons on sc said the yankees were 3 years behind the rs in the draft,something along those lines.
he then said they closed the gap quickly.
very nice comment
Let the masses sing the Red Sox praises, it’s always better to be the underdog. Kruk, Gammons, Lupica, et al should continue to chime away…
John,
See, here’s the thing. The contract is not ideal. But it wouldn’t hurt to have a real outfielder who could, you know, play everyday.
Rios would do well with a change of scenery, imo.
But yes, Rios allows you to keep Hughes, Joba, and Jesus
I think it is hysterical how much we hear about the Sox pitching depth. That’s why I wish they would make a trade a be short. They made that mistake when they moved Arroyo for Willy Mo. Do it again. Penny is not very good but has been usable. Smoltz is old and off shoulder surgery, the same issues the Yankees had bringing in old guys. Wakefield continues to impress but every year his back gives out. They gush over Bucholz but he was terrible last year. Masterson’s era has been thru the ringer lately and isn’t going to be a full time starter for anyone. Dice K may not be back this year. Where’s all the great depth. Lots of names, but is that depth????
m July 20th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
pat,
lol. I was thinking that IF Jeter got pied, someone on the field might be tempted to taste test it. You know for journalistic purposes.
But anyway, I saw there was a big discussion of markakis. mmm…
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This is among one of the many reasons I envy Kim’s job
and we aren’t allowed to talk about markakis anymore!
God, I love Mark Teixeira. Right Giuseppe?
First place Yankees. Sounds good.
GB, You beat me to it…..Great Yankee pitching staff….They also had former Cy Young winner Bob ”Bullit Bob”Turley, as wellas a young Al Downing….I still say that was the best team in history….Such depth…Mantle hardly played in the 61 Series, and the Yanks blew out Cinn 4-1….The best player in baseball daoesn’t play and they wipe out the NL Champs…..
Wow, Ted Williams was an a-hole, huh.
NYY626,
Trust me, I think miggs would rather us talk about markakis than Halladay!
M,
Agree completely. If it comes down to money, I don’t see how getting Rios now and having him plugged out there with his skill at age 28 is a bad thing especially when the Yankees have Tex and Arod 3rd and 4th. Yankees have been trying to find the right 5th place guy which is Matsui when healthy. But after this year Matsui, Damon both are gone. Swisher isn’t a full time guy. Gardner/Melky. You need at least one and probably two OF, one a decent bat for sure. So why not just get him now in a contract that may be over market but that only lasts thru his prime years? He certainly is decent defensively, is capable of hitting .300. Has speed to get you 15 steals. It’s all there. It’s like when I wanted the Yankees to grab Bay early last year. People were so down on the guy but these guys are pretty good. A change of scenery and putting them in good lineups changes a lot.
“Thanks, Tar. Sidney came into the world screaming “Sox suck”. She’s already my favorite.”
You probably didn’t hear Anthony he yelled Pete sucks. He’s closing ground fast.
No e-mail it was joke.
“The Yankees are 25-12 when Joba and Andy start games, that’s good enough for me.”
Exactly. And I laugh when people dismiss that record and say Andy and Joba are lucky because they get run support.
Well, that was kinda the plan going into the season. Pettitte wasn’t supposed to put up a 3.50 ERA and neither was Joba. The belief was that they were still much better than most other teams’ backend starters, which would allow the Yankees to give them the run support they might need.
And then, of course, you get some games like the last two, where they both pitch great and the team wins low scoring games.
Just saw you on Yankeeography, Pete. I’m depressed now, though. Mussina HAD that perfect game. Everett is a POS.
It’s been said here for the past 2 weeks, who ever is willing to take Wells or Rios gets Halliday….And you don’t surrender the top bule colored chips…..
How many games has Tex almost won based on his defense this year. There must be at least 5 games he made some sick play in a key spot that was a game changer only to see the Yankees win. He is so much better than I ever thought he was and I thought he was pretty darn good. He also is far more competitive and emotional out there than I thought. I always thought of him as being kind of bland. Imagine what we got and then imagine if he was on the Sox instead. What a big signing.
Pat M….
July 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
GB, You beat me to it…..Great Yankee pitching staff….They also had former Cy Young winner Bob ”Bullit Bob”Turley, as wellas a young Al Downing….I still say that was the best team in history….Such depth…Mantle hardly played in the 61 Series, and the Yanks blew out Cinn 4-1….The best player in baseball daoesn’t play and they wipe out the NL Champs…..
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That was a great staff. All ground ball pitchers. Only Ford and Stafford struck out over 100. batters. Stafford with 101 and Ford’s only 200 strikeout season. They did lead the league in turning double plays.
Mel you’re right.
But I don’t think Halladay is coming anywhere near here, so that kind of talk is much more tolerable for me.
You girls keep lovin’ on Markakis.
Look at CC’s face in that picture. He’s looking at AJ. Thought bubble contest?
If Cashman told JP that he would not trade Hughes or Joba… then there is no conversation to be had.
If he wanted a B-package, he could get one from an NL team or non-AL East team. The only way he would have traded him in the division is if he was getting a Joba or Hughes plus other top guys (Jackson, Romine).
As good/great as Teixeira has been defensively at 1st base, Cano has been the equal at 2nd base. If he doesn’t win a GG this year, there should be an investigation. He has been dazzling from the first game until now.
Since we cracked so many myths these last few days, here’s one more:
The Sox have a more clutch and resiliant offense than the Yankees do.
Yes, the Red Sox have some nice comeback wins this season (a few against the Yankees), but overall this season, they have scored their highest percentage of runs in the first 3 innings and their lowest percentage of runs in the last 3 innings (I forget the exact numbers but I say this on a Sox board).
Also, they have a tendancy to score early, especially on the road, and then shut down for the rest of the game.
Keith Law is the staple of credibility now?
Heyman is an MLB insider for Sports Illustrated, SNY, WFAN, and MLB Network…. he has more credibility than some of you are giving him credit for.
Heyman went on SNY and backed up his story, FYI.
81 Yankee,
JP’s not getting the other team’s top prospects either.
So, if he’s not going to get a good haul outside the division, why not get a decent haul AND a salary dump.
As JP said, Halladay’s a free agent in 2011 and can end up with a division rival anyway.
We’ll see.
Is Jon Heyman going to meet Keith Law under the Oneill banner ?
James
July 21st, 2009 at 12:03 am
Keith Law is the staple of credibility now?
Heyman is an MLB insider for Sports Illustrated, SNY, WFAN, and MLB Network…. he has more credibility than some of you are giving him credit for.
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The only time that clown is right is when Scott Boras tells him that he’s right.
Notice that Gammons didn’t bring up the fact that Eric Gange was traded for David Murphy. If the yankees made that trade, we would hear about it every night. I bet Red Sox with they had him now over the .240 JD Drew?
I love how we haven’t heard anything from Lars Anderson for a while. 8 homers in 313 at bats, 84 ks, .265 BA in the same league as Montero 123 at bats 7 homers, .293 BA, 15ks. Pro scouts worried about AJax power with 4 homers even if that’s not what his stregth is, but the power hitting first baseman having the big 8 homers.
Alex, CC and Tex spreading the HOPE
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Why would Halladay even waive his NTC to go to the Mets? They don’t have a legit chance to win this year. He’s going from one losing team to another.
By the rules set down in the CBA, if Halladay is traded this year, he has the option of demanding a trade after the season or, if it’s denied, he can demand free agency. If no team gets a 72 hour window, why would they trade all of that talent for him and have him walk in 2 months?
I turned on loudmouths on sny for a couple of minutes and they still were talking about putting joba in the bullpen this year. That is so dumb with Wang going down you need Joba in the rotation. The bullpen has been very good and as a dominant setup man in Hughes now. I guess now the argument for Joba in the pen will be we need a lock down 7th inning guy. If you look at the numbers Joba has been the much better starter than Hughes.
BX 44 July 21st, 2009 at 12:06 am
Why would Halladay even waive his NTC to go to the Mets? They don’t have a legit chance to win this year. He’s going from one losing team to another.
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That’s the most overlooked part of that trade rumor.
Halladay wants to win. The Mets don’t exactly give him any better chance to win than he would staying in Toronto.
I doubt he would even accept a deal to that mess of a franchise.
m,
But isin’t that the point? Why would he trade him in division if he isin’t going to get a top prospect back regardless? From his standpoint, the only way he should trade in the division is if he gets back that top guy. If nobody is offering that guy, then he should look out of division.
A B package from the NL > A B package from the AL East
If the packages are comparable, of course he will trade him out of the division. Our package needs to be considerably better for him to trade him in the division… not equal, better.
“By the rules set down in the CBA, if Halladay is traded this year, he has the option of demanding a trade after the season or, if it’s denied, he can demand free agency. If no team gets a 72 hour window, why would they trade all of that talent for him and have him walk in 2 months?”
GB I’ve never heard of this before can you explain it more?
I can’t remember one circumstance where a player was traded and then demanded ANOTHER trade or free agency after the year.
GB
I’m guessing from what I skimmed from earlier today, congratulations are in order. Double the pleasure, double the fun?
Please spare me reading through hundreds of comments and re-state the particulars. I hope mom, babies and you are all resting comfortably.
Keith Law used to work for Toronto and you can probably count on him to protect their interests.
Man I would hate to play catch with CC
The thing you guys are looking over is that prospects don’t all fall into some generic bin when they are traded. You can quantify packages as ‘B package’, ‘A package’, but the players themselves are all different.
If Toronto likes the players in a second tier yankee package better, then JP would be stupid to take him.
If they are going to impose an arbitrary tax on AL east teams then they are just killing their chances for a good trade.
“By the rules set down in the CBA, if Halladay is traded this year, he has the option of demanding a trade after the season or, if it’s denied, he can demand free agency. If no team gets a 72 hour window, why would they trade all of that talent for him and have him walk in 2 months?”
But Halladay has a no trade clause so he could just use it now and save all that hassle.
Miggs, that is the rule, its rarely used. I think there was one player who did that a few years ago.
This was probably just put out there by TOR as a way to scare the Phillies… make them think that the Mets are in this thing and a package is on the table. Maybe even a tactic by Omar to get PHI to overpay.
Just like if the Dodgers get seriously involved, I’m sure they’ll be some leaks from the Giants standpoint.
This is sportsmanship… nothing new.
You trade him within the division if you free up loads of cash in the process that no NL team will do for you. The Jays are struggling financially and now have Wells and Rios under bad contracts for them. They also cannot run the risk of a Halladay extension for big money past his prime years. So either way he will be gone. If you can save a boat load of money, add a couple usable pieces you are better off. If it was AJAx, McAllister, Romine and a few other pieces and save what $20 mill to Halladay and over $50 to Rios. That is a very big incentive.
GB
And you add Jeter playing well “above the complaints” and you have a very good infield.
But you have to admit, that throw Molina made tonight while in the air sideways was pretty fantastic. Hard to duplicate for anyone.
If I’m Riccardi, why would I trade my ace to the Yankees if I’m not getting back Hughes, Joba, or Montero?
I could get a McAllister, Jackson, Robertson, Pena equivalent package from some NL team.
The Red Sox are good but they aren’t great. There back end of the rotation is a question mark. Penny, and Smoltz have been bad, and dice-k has been horrible and injured. The yankees can beat the red sox, and if they get another starter or reliever then I have no doubt that they can beat the Red Sox.
Matsui is a rule follower.
“I was just going to step on home plate just normally,” he said through interpreter Roger Kahlon. “But they told me to throw my helmet. So I threw my helmet. I’ve never done it before, so in that sense, yes, it’s a little uncomfortable. But I’d like to follow whatever the team’s rules are.”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....1817.story
John,
I couldn’t agree more. I always knew Tex was a great player but what strikes me is his fiery attitude on the field. That Texas game where he got pissed at Padilla for hitting him, and then he made that crucial hard slide at 2B and was on the top step of the dugout screaming when Matsui hit the big HR…that showed me that he truly cared about winning. And hustling to score all the way from first on Castillo’s dropup- I had Mets fans telling me they had no doubt that any of their guys would have just jogged and only made it to third base.
Also, you can see it in his interviews that he’s truly happy to be here. He’s like a little kid who can’t stop smiling whenever he talks about the Yankees.
I am SO glad he’s here and not in Boston. He has gotten so many big hits for us and IMO, his power bat is exactly what the Red Sox are missing right now. Plus, we would have been royally screwed if Swisher was the starting first baseman when Nady went down.
If I’m Riccardi, why would I trade my ace to the Yankees if I’m not getting back Hughes, Joba, or Montero?
I could get a McAllister, Jackson, Robertson, Pena equivalent package from some NL team.
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Prospects don’t work like that. Its up to Torontos scouting department to determine if guys like McAllister Jackson etc are worth it, and then to determine if guys on a NL team will be as good or better.
They are all unique people, they aren’t video game players.
If the jays want to be stupid, they are more than welcome to handicap their ability to trade by limiting it to the NL or other AL divisions. They may want to do that.
And Wakefield has been lucky because the offense has been bailing him out. The only sure starters the Red Sox have are Lester and Beckett.
“GB I’ve never heard of this before can you explain it more?
I can’t remember one circumstance where a player was traded and then demanded ANOTHER trade or free agency after the year.”
miggs,
Javier Vazquez did this when the Yanks traded him to Arizona. After the 2005 season, his first and only season in Arizona, he demanded a trade. He was traded to the White Sox for El Duque plus others. What the rule is, if a player is traded during a long term deal, he can demand a trade the following offseason. If that team doesn’t grant the trade, he can become a free agent.
You can’t get that package from an NL team and one willing to eat his salary. The Dodgers already won’t do it because of the money apparently. The Mets talent is worse. The Phillies if they trade Drabek or Happ which they won’t do with their lead the same way the Yankees won’t deal Hughes or Joba. Cards won’t deal Rasmus or their top pitcher. Plus none of those teams would take on a bad contract as well.
End of the day I think Halladay stays where he is.
AZ Dan, Your not going to get that from anyone else, because you’re moving a big contract to go along with Doc Halliday…That’s the point…If someone offers to take Rios and or Wells ( lower package of players for Wells )you do not have to trade away blue chips…..
Okay, the one single leverage that the Yankees have over any other team is the ability to take on a Rios-type contract.
That has certain value to a team that may be struggling financially.
But if JP wants to cut off his significant feature to spite his face, that’s fine.
Just that a Halladay/Rios deal would kill a lot of birds with one stone.
Giuseppe, remember when you said we didn’t need Mark Teixeira? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Can you guys imagine if Hal didn’t approve the $$? Swisher would be our 1B. I mean, he’d be an upgrade over the Big G. But, I can’t even imagine a season of Swisher there. And he’d be in the lineup everyday. Ayaya!
A lot of great plays in that inning by the Yanks. Cano deked out itzturis. Tex, the 2 plays by Molina and even Coke.
Rewinding my DVR Coke actually had the glove down in front of the plate, before Roberts was sliding into the batters box. I didn’t know Molina could move that fast. What a play.
The Throwing of the batting helmet is funny. Arod and Melky have made a game of it.
“I love how we haven’t heard anything from Lars Anderson for a while. 8 homers in 313 at bats, 84 ks, .265 BA”
This is actually a serious worry for the Red Sox if Anderson can’t be the 30 HR guy they were looking for.
A lot of their current power hitters are getting old and/or ineffective (Ortiz, Lowell, Varitek, Drew). This puts extra pressure on them to resign Bay (though you know the Yanks and Mets will be lurking) because they have no one in the minors to replace his production.
Also, from what I’ve heard, Anderson isn’t good defensively, so if he doesn’t get his bat going, he’s going to be tough to either fit on the team or sell to a team in a trade offer. No one wants bad defense at 1B unless the dude is a monster hitter.
”Cut off his significant feature”…m, the line of the night…..
GreenBeret7
July 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
MG
July 20th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
how many other teams in the major leagues have #3 and #4 starters with a combined team win-loss record of .667+. The Yankees are 25-12 when Joba and Andy start games, that’s good enough for me. This team clearly knows how to win games. For those of you who aren’t familiar with other Yankees teams, can any of you name the Yankees #3 and #4 starters from 1961, the year the M&M boys went crazy? I can guarantee you they aren’t household names.
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Whitey Ford, Ralph Terry, bill Stafford, Roland Sheldon and Jim Coates was the spot starter and long relief. All 5 won 11 or more games. Bud Daily was another spot start/long reliever. Luis arroyo was the closer with 29 saves and 15 wins.
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GB, good job and congrats on the birth of your great grandchildren.
I can just imagine the comments on this blog if it were 1961 and the Yankees rotation was essentially untested after Whitey and Ralph Terry (who had given up the Bill Mazeroski HR to end the 1960 World Series). Here would be some of them:
-Ford only pitches 6 innings and his ERA is too high and his WHIP is much higher than last year, he is on the decline. Arroyo saves every game for him.
-Terry lost the series for us last year, he can’t be trusted in clutch situations and only throws about 87 mph
-Stafford hasn’t pitched long enough in the majors to be reliable
-Sheldon was pitching in Class D last year
-Bud Daley has a withered right arm, he won’t get anyone out in the World Series
-Coates just gets run support, he is just lucky
In spite of this, the Yankees won the AL by a mile and beat the Reds in the WS in 5 even though the famous Elio Chacon stole home in the 2nd game to key the only Reds win.
Throughout baseball history, championship teams always play better than their stats and roster indicates.
This year’s Yankees have a knack for winning late, it used to be called ’5 O’clock lightning’ in the 20′s (my dad told me that, I’m not that old). Even when they lose they almost always fight back and give themselves a chance to win. This is a reflection on the players and something the teams really haven’t had since 2004. So just enjoy it, the rest of the season is going to be fun.
“Can you guys imagine if Hal didn’t approve the $$? Swisher would be our 1B.”
And Melky and Gardner would be playing everyday, which would force the Yankees to live through their slumps, instead of somewhat hiding it with the platoon situation.
pat
July 21st, 2009 at 12:13 am
GB
I’m guessing from what I skimmed from earlier today, congratulations are in order. Double the pleasure, double the fun?
Please spare me reading through hundreds of comments and re-state the particulars. I hope mom, babies and you are all resting comfortably.
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pat, the twins were born at 4:35 AM on Monday morning (I wish babies could tell time). A girl (Sidney Lynn) weighed in at 3 pounds and 6 ounces. A boy (Anthony Michael) weighed in at 5 pounds and 2 ounces. All are doing fine (except the great grandfather….he’s in critical condition and not sure of survival). They had a little trouble feeding Sidney at first, bit, she’s doing fine. Thank you for asking and the congrats.
“Just that a Halladay/Rios deal would kill a lot of birds with one stone.”
It would also kill a lot of birds with one stone for the Yankees.
1. Rios > Swisher
2. Halladay > everybody
3. The Yankees would officially have the entire triple-headed Yankee-killing monster (aka Halladay, Burnett, and Rios) making games against the Blue Jays much easier to win.
Teix was a great signing, period. He is the complete player and not only works his butt off but plays hard all the time. You can’t ask for more than that from a star player.
And one more thing-the Yankees are a 25 man team. Each player will contribute in different games. Molina made 2 great plays in the 8th inning tonight that Jorge may or may not have made but if Jorge was in there he might have gotten the hit in the 1st inning to clear the bases, it was his spot and he hits well over .300 with the bases loaded. I’m also not going to say whether Cervelli would or would not have made that play but that is the real question. It also doesn’t matter at all.
MG
July 21st, 2009 at 12:33 am
GreenBeret7
July 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
MG
July 20th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
how many other teams in the major leagues have #3 and #4 starters with a combined team win-loss record of .667+. The Yankees are 25-12 when Joba and Andy start games, that’s good enough for me. This team clearly knows how to win games. For those of you who aren’t familiar with other Yankees teams, can any of you name the Yankees #3 and #4 starters from 1961, the year the M&M boys went crazy? I can guarantee you they aren’t household names.
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GB, good job and congrats on the birth of your great grandchildren.
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Thanks for the congrats, MG. That ’61 team was as well balanced a team as any that I ever saw. They had everything. They didn’t steal, but, other than aparicio and Jake Wood of the Tigers, nobody in the AL ran. When they did run, they usually made it. Mantle lead with 12 of 13 bases stolen. Maris doesn’t get credit for it, but, not only was he one of the top three right fielders in baseball, but, he was a great base runner and nearly as fast as Mantle. He could steal if it was necessary, but, when Mantle hit right after that, why run. he was already inscoring position at 1st base. Imagine hitting 61 homers and not being walked intentionally even once in that year, though he walked 90+ times.
RS,
Those are the birds I was thinking of!
And as a bonus for Rebecca, Aceves could stay in the pen.
MG,
I think what really made that play is Coke racing to home plate. The Yankees just wanted this one more I guess.
Regis & Kelly told Tex, “You really like being a Yankee, don’t you.” It’s just so obvious.
m
July 21st, 2009 at 12:47 am
RS,
Those are the birds I was thinking of!
And as a bonus for Rebecca, Aceves could stay in the pen.
MG,
I think what really made that play is Coke racing to home plate. The Yankees just wanted this one more I guess.
Regis & Kelly told Tex, “You really like being a Yankee, don’t you.” It’s just so obvious.
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that’s a great point and really shows how little things can make a huge difference in the standings. I really like Coke, he has a starter’s mentality out in the ‘pen and can be a fixture there for many years.
Pete,
This is from si.com’s recap:
NOTES: The Yankees hadn’t won three straight games 2-1 since July 11-13, 1991, at Anaheim, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. …
OUCH!!! Twins had a 8 and a 10 run lead and have blown it. Holliday just hit a slam. 4-5 with 2 doubles, two homers and 6 RBI. And Cust just homered. 14-13 Oakland.
Matt Holliday hits a grand slam 13 13 in oakland wow
that A’s game is insanity
Mr. Goodkat July 21st, 2009 at 12:30 am
Giuseppe, remember when you said we didn’t need Mark Teixeira? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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Huh? I said no such thing.
I didn’t expect them to sign Teixeira but I never said they didn’t need him.
Oakland starter, Gio Gonzalez line: 2.1 innings, 10 hits, 11 runs (all earned), 3 walks, 1 strikeout, 4 homers….no decision.
Correction: 2.2 innings. not quite so bad after all.
The si recap is wrong. Those July ’91 games in Anaheim went 2-0, 2-1, 2-0.
GB
Thanks for the re-play. Little Miss Sidney Lynn will catch up to her brother fast and will probably be a feisty one, just like her great grandad.
“GB I’ve never heard of this before can you explain it more?
I can’t remember one circumstance where a player was traded and then demanded ANOTHER trade or free agency after the year.”
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Javier Vazquez did it after he was traded to AZ.
They were forced to trade him (otherwise he’d have become a free agent)
oops,
Joe I already answered. thanks
pat
July 21st, 2009 at 1:25 am
GB
Thanks for the re-play. Little Miss Sidney Lynn will catch up to her brother fast and will probably be a feisty one, just like her great grandad.
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She’s already a Red Sox hater. She’s my favorite. If she’s like her mother, she’ll be great. A cheerleader, tomboy, loved softball and helped me work on cars. Drove her grandmother crazy. She’d go get her hair done, manicure and come home and help me rebuild an engine.
Twins with runners on 1st and 2nd base, two outs. Wild Pitch, Cuddyer tries scoring from 2nd base, was safe with his leg on the plate up to his knee and the umpire called him out to end the game.
Twins got robbed, tying run was safe.
Um…Is anyone else a little bit irritated by this Mets delusion that JP Riciardi actually extended them an offer for DOC in exchange for:
Buddy Biancalana
July 21st, 2009 at 1:42 am
Twins got robbed, tying run was safe.
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That was a brutal call. Hopefully, something gets done, because like the terrible calls against NYY, it’s costing important games.
GB7-
What happened to Bailey, did he get hurt warming up?
Wow. Just the play-by-play on that blown call makes the molina to coke play that much more impressive.
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1. Fernando (just had knee surgery) Martinez
2. John Niese who in the AL East wouldn’t project better than Kei IGAWA
3. Some random short stop named Tejada
4. Chris Parnell
Does that sound even remotely realistic?
Buddy Biancalana
July 21st, 2009 at 1:47 am
GB7-
What happened to Bailey, did he get hurt warming up?
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I’m not sure. He was warming up, but, they stayed with Wuertz for whatever reason. That was a screwup that ended up working out. Maybe he couldn’t get loose. Blyleven even thought he was coming in the game.
Now every single miserable Mets fan is calling WFAN and calling for Omar’s head as if this was a legitimate possibility.
I have ZERO sympathy for these idiots.
Off topic, but, it’s hard to believe that Neil armstrong walked on the moon 40 years ago tonight. I still remember Walter Cronkite giggling like a kid and rubbing his hands together. He’ll be missed and he should have been doing the news until the end.
HELLO!!
Are any of you people listening??
According to Heyman the Mets turned down an offer for Doc for a package worse than what Omar got for Johan.
The Red Sox just looked at the standings…here is a link to their reaction
http://tinyurl.com/ngzl5u
“1. Fernando (just had knee surgery) Martinez
2. John Niese who in the AL East wouldn’t project better than Kei IGAWA
3. Some random short stop named Tejada
4. Chris Parnell
Does that sound even remotely realistic?”
Nope not realistic at all. That’s why I was shocked last night that Ricciardi offered that. Turns out he didn’t according to my boy KLaw
Just wanted to say that it’s so nice to see a yankees team that can have a fun time and have a great team chemistry. That’s been missing for a few years, especially last year. Even if they don’t go all the way this year, it should be a pleasure to watch them try…
With Pettitte’s quality start, Phil Cole threw only 6 pitches and Alfredo Aceves just 11 pitches.
Need a high scoring game for Bruney to fit in and see what he can withstand. If he falters, at least he knows what to work on.
“Even if they don’t go all the way this year, it should be a pleasure to watch them try…”
This isn’t the Cardinals here. Any season that doesn’t end in World Series is blasphemous. It is our birth right as Yankee fans.
July 27 – August 12,,,,,16 games that will show REALLY what this team is made of at this point….If the Yankees go 10-6 or better in this stretch, regardless of if they are ahead or behind the BoSux after they are done, then they take a major step in showing they can beat good teams when it counts….IMHO…
Kudos to Andy! He is an old war horse and he proved he can still pitch a great game. The ASG break helped him a lot as it seemed to do for all the Yankees who continue to win. Let’s all support Mitre today!
AJ Burnett should put a pie in his own face, and then stop doing this puerile stunt. The stupid “pie in the face” ruins the happiness of a good win.
Mark- really? Seems like they all enjoy it. Why ruin a good thing.
Long as its good quality real whipped cream, I’ll take all the they don’t use to make each pie. Good stuff, hit me everyday with one of those pies, I’m really tough, I could take it.
so true pete those are little-league smiles right there. great to see