Halladay to the Mets? Oh, come on
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 21, 2009 
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I listened to WFAN for about two minutes on my way to the ballpark before putting in a CD (Trust by Elvis Costello). It was either that or look for a bridge to drive off.
According to Mike Francesa, it makes perfect sense for the Mets to trade the farm (or what’s left of it) for Roy Halladay.
Let’s see …
• Why would Halladay waive his no-trade clause to go to the Mets? He has been telling anybody who will listen for a week now that if he leaves Toronto, he wants to go someplace where he can win. That ain’t Queens. The Mets have an injury-riddled, top-heavy roster, no prospects, an inefficient GM and a manager better suited for open-mic night at The Improv. Gosh, what’s not for Roy to love? I’m sure Johan Santana would give his New York experience high marks.
• Haven’t the Mets learned that getting rid of all their prospects and building a team based around a few stars isn’t a sound plan? Their organization is so bereft of talent that they signed Angel Berroa and rushed him to the majors.
• There is no truth to the report that the Mets refused to trade Fernando Martinez, Bobby Parnell, Jon Niese and Ruben Tejada for Halladay. Minaya would have driven those four players to Toronto himself. J.P. Ricciardi should be fired if he accepts that package. The Mets don’t have the players to make this trade.
It makes sense in every way for Halladay to go to the Phillies. They have the need, the prospects and Toronto gets him out of the AL. Bet it happens by Sunday.
It makes sense in every way for Halladay to go to the Phillies. They have the need, the prospects and Toronto gets him out of the AL. Bet it happens by Sunday.
Agree. It is an inevitable marriage with PHI and Doc.
Mets season is over… who cares if they get Roy or not.
It’s nice that being the Yankees we’re so rich we could buy stars AND build a team around them.
I have come to the conclusion that the MSM is filled with a collection of pillocks.
What’s even worse is the fact that supposedly intelligent people took this rumour seriously.
Looks like my generation is gonna have to save the sports media from itself.
Philly is going to be tough. If they pull that trade off they easily are the favorites to come out of the NL.
Another reason to hate the Phillies.
If he has to go somewhere (other than here, of course), I’d rather it be to PHI. Get him out of the AL. The Yankees have seen enough of him. The next time I want the Yankees to hit against RH is during the 2009 World Series.
Even without Drebeck, Philly has enough to get it done.
Boogie Down Bob, LA’s too good for the Phils to be easy favorites to come out of the AL, even with Doc.
Elvis’ “Trust” rules! a very underrated album. “New Lace Sleeves” and “From A WHisper To A Scream” (featuring members of Squeeze!) are Costello classics.
I would be thrilled if while at the Phils game on SUnday (get to see Albert for the first time very excited) they announce that deal. The place would go wild. More than it already does go wild.
Speaking of wild the wild card in the deal as far as I am concerned is Pat Gillick.
“Another reason to hate the Phillies.”
Why? They are not our rivals.
Kevin,
I strongly disagree. LA doesn’t have the pitching to match up with a 1-2 of Halladay and Hamels.
Another reason for the Phillies to get him is Halladay’s AL East experience, and there’s a good chance if they get to the WS, their opponent could be from the AL East.
As if they need another reason, I know.
**Repost
Brandon,
I’m not saying that Heyman lied. But a lot of us thought it was bogus the second we heard it.
Heyman has been contradicting himself ever since JP said he was open to trading Doc.
But, a story this huge is going to get a lot of follow-up. Every journalist on JP’s “okay, put them through” list is going to call to verify. So that’s all we have to go on.
So, even if JP is covering his you know what, it doesn’t make sense at all. The mets have nothing to offer. Nothing. They’re going nowhere. Nowhere. There are 8 teams ahead of them in the WC race. They’re in 4th place in the division, 9 games back.
I don’t think that we will trade for Halladay but why is it wrong for Halladay to go to the yanks? If we have the talent that we drafted and developed to trade for him, and the financials to support the trade, then so be it.
I could see Mike saying it’s wrong if we just keep signing every top free agent but if we develop talent to trade back then it’s a win win.
Look on the brightside- we do not face Toronto again until after the trade deadline. Hopefully by then he will be safely shipped to the NL and no longer terrorizing those nice boys in Pinstripes
“Speaking of wild the wild card in the deal as far as I am concerned is Pat Gillick.”
Yep. Just another reason why him going to Philly is inevitable. Gillick has connections, he knows how to pull a deal like this off.
The arguement against Halladay going to the Phils: Marlins, Braves, Mets.
They are doing bad, the Phillies are rolling, so the Phils are probably winning the division whatever happens. They don’t NEED Halladay.
The Mets farm system is atrocious. Kind of reminds me of the Yankees system like 7/8 years ago.
When the likes of John Ford Griffen, Brandon Claussen, Brad Halsey where the top prospects.
BTW where is Randy Keissler at nowadays?
Brandon,
ARGH!!!
The source turned out to be Heyman.
based on halladay’s candid comments about wanting to win, a halladay acquaintance says this: “he’s emotionally gone.”about 3 hours ago from web
Boogie Down Bob, Hamels is good, not great. Billingsley is an excellent pitcher, though not at Doc levels, while Kershaw is pretty damn good himself, even with the walk totals. Besides, the NLCS will require four starting pitchers from each team. Wolf and Kuroda are, IMO, a clear advantage over Happ and Blanton, and the only thing stopping LA’s pen from being a solid win is if Joe blows them out in mid-August.
Uncle Ellsworth
July 21st, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I had a dream/premonition that the Yanks will get a back rotation guy in a 3 team trade.
As far as I remember No Sanchez no Snell
maybe a red uniform
It was not a blockbuster but was a big surprise
most here would be happy
Thats all I got… if anything close happens I’m going to hone my “spooky skills”
Ahhh, Trust. That album’s an odd one. Some great tunes, some horrible tunes (From A Whisper To A Scream??), hard to define the genre unless you go generic with pop/rock.
a halladay acquaintance says this: “he’s emotionally gone.”about 3 hours ago from web
Was the acquaintance AJ Burnett? haha
from previous thread:
The Yankees also have an ally in the Rays. Boston doesn’t match up well with them for over 3 years now. Bad blood between them and the Rays team speed drives the Boston pitchers bananas.
“They are doing bad, the Phillies are rolling, so the Phils are probably winning the division whatever happens. They don’t NEED Halladay.”
They don’t need him to win the NL East, but they can sure use him to win the NL Division and the World Series.
Dodgers face within the division the Rockies, Giants, Diamonbacks, Padres, not exactly offensive juggernaughts so I wouldn’t get too carried away how great some of their pitching is.
Sometimes I wonder about Mike Francesa’s baseball acumen.
I see Halladay going NL. The Phillies are the obvious choice, but somehow I can see him standing next to Bobby Cox in the Atlanta dugout.
Just watched a clip on TV of the Castillo dropped ball.
I love how the umpire shows absolutely no surprise, just calmly gives the “safe” sign.
Gotta love it.
Next year, Halladay could be apart of a team that has
Santana, Beltran, Wright, Reyes, and K-Rod
Santana and Halladay on top of the rotation. K-Rod closing games. A healthy Beltran and Reyes. Mets will probably get an Adam Dunn type to replace Delgado.
That would be a scary team. Why wouldn’t he want to be apart of that? Yeah, this is a lost season but next year they’ll be a legit WS contender.
That’s what you get for not popping in Elvis Costello immediately.
“a halladay acquaintance says this: “he’s emotionally gone.”about 3 hours ago from web”
I’m not one to believe everything I read, but I could see how these last couple of weeks might have taken a toll on Halladay. He’s not used to this kind of media attention. He’s been the number 1 pitcher in baseball and up to know, has been able to do it while hiding under the radar. Now, he can’t pick up a newspaper w/o seeing his name. At this point, he probably can’t wait to be traded just so that he can get this nonsense over with.
Laura-Maybe, but we all know that the postseason is a fickle beast that is extremely difficult to predict. Regualr season stats can be thrown out the window in the playoffs.
He doesn’t want to go to the national league and have to bat let alone pitch in the philliues park. I see him going to the Angels at the deadline.
Halladay mania going on
Why is that Mets game a classic? That was an awful game except for the ending.
Jay Hirsch-He says he has no issue with the National League.
So when you told ‘em bout their part of the bargain the Jays were not amused, the Mets won’t get any better ’cause Roy wants to wear red shoes (philly)
Why would Halladay give up a season to be part of next years Mets collapse? Mets always look good on paper don’t they? They never have depth or a backup plan. So some big money players and then garbage around them. Signing a guy like Castillo, Tatis, etc is just a waste of cash. No reason Abreu shouldn’t have been on that team this year.
K-Zone July 21st, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Why is that Mets game a classic? That was an awful game except for the ending.
Kinda liked game 7 of the 2003 ALCS…Terrible game until the rally and the walk-off
enough about this story. all the speculation and “pre-trade” discussion is useless.
Yanks v. Phils WS
“As far as I remember No Sanchez no Snell
maybe a red uniform
It was not a blockbuster but was a big surprise
most here would be happy”
The red sounds like Arroyo, but the second part of your statement doesn’t support that, unless I’m in the minority in not wanting Arroyo…
K-Zone: You kidding me? One of my favorite regular season games EVER because of the ending!
People forget the dramtic Matsui birthday blast as well. That whole game was very entertaining.
If Keith Law is so great, why hasn’t he been hired by another team to be a GM?
any chance this game gets in tonight?
Laura,
JP and Halladay had serious discussions before JP casually dropped that he’d be open to trading Doc.
This is not happenstance. This is like the Timberwolves rewarding Kevin Garnett for years of toiling tiredlessly on a losing team. Of course, Doc has a NTC, but you know what I mean.
I read somewhere that JP almost has to trade Doc as a courtesy. He’ll be traded somewhere.
What’s really intriguing is what that person LaGreca said? That every conversation starts with Wells/Rios?
I think, if Cash gets a word in he’ll offer a package for Rios/Halladay. No one else can do that imo.
Yes, that Melky walkoff sucked until Melky got that hit…and the next day, that sucked until Tex got that hit…and the next day, that sucked until Melky got that sac fly.
Still, for the majority of it those games sucked.
maybe someone from the D-backs…they wear some red and should be selling.
REPOST***
“Uncle, please tell me you premonition did not include names like John Sanchez or Ian Snell…”
Hope it does.
m, here’s the thing why would he make up such a lie like that
According to Weather.com, chance of Precip drops by 6pm , but then expected to start rainign agian after 9pm. So maybe a window to get it going, but who knows.
Brandon,
Really? Like you’ve never seen false rumors floated to get the market moving?
Happened with Alex’s opt-out. Happened with Tex in FA.
“a halladay acquaintance says this: ‘he’s emotionally gone.’”
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Going to the Mets would worsen his present state of mind…
“Why would Halladay waive his no-trade clause to go to the Mets? He has been telling anybody who will listen for a week now that if he leaves Toronto, he wants to go someplace where he can win. That ain’t Queens. The Mets have an injury-riddled, top-heavy roster, no prospects, an inefficient GM and a manager better suited for open-mic night at The Improv. Gosh, what’s not for Roy to love?”
this is what i’ve been saying. The topic is moot
m, you know who first broke Al’s opt out right ? Heyman also was the first to break Teix to the Yankees.
brandon…who exactly would AAA Snell or Sanchez be an improvement over?
Bradford Alexander Halsey (born February 14, 1981 in Houston, Texas) has recently been cut by the Long Island Ducks organization. Prior to this, he was released by Arecibo, a team in the Puerto Rican baseball winter league.
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what happened to Brad Halsey !?
And, yes. Heyman himself has given wrong info before.
Nobody is saying Heyman “made it up”… he is a legit journalist. He didn’t get hired by SI, WFAN, SNY, and MLB Network because he isin’t credible.
He might have simply gotten bad information. Or perhaps one of the sides used him as a smokescreen to get the Phils to ante up.
Brandon,
What about all the stuff that was floating around before he broke that news?
What’s wrong with you today, Brandon?
Why are you hugging Heyman so much today? Do you want that rumor to be true?
“Sometimes I wonder about Mike Francesa’s baseball acumen”
someone needs to call into WFAN on a serious note, and ask Francessa if he would trade Arroyo for Roy Halladay
“brandon…who exactly would AAA Snell or Sanchez be an improvement over?”
Jonathan Sanchez as a #5 SP would be an improvement, everyone knows that. Snell would be buying on the cheap.
Perhaps JP and Omar are denying this because they didn’t want it to go public because it is a PR nightmare on both sides? (Omar for turning down such a good offer, JP for PROPOSING such a bad offer). Or maybe both floated this out there to scare the Phillies and it wasn’t seriously discussed as a package, but discussed as a smoke screen?
Maybe Heyman isin’t the one who is making this up.
“And, yes. Heyman himself has given wrong info before.”
Then like we said he has some explaining to do.
what happened to Brad Halsey !?
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I think he had surgery, either elbow or shoulder, when with the A’s and hasn’t been able to make it back.
Too bad for him.
Al,
I acknowledged that JP may be covering his butt. But if that’s the case, Heyman was left dangling, no? Heyman shouldn’t push so hard on the veracity of the rumor, lest he get shut out on the real info.
“I think, if Cash gets a word in he’ll offer a package for Rios/Halladay. No one else can do that imo.”
I agree, but I thought TOR said that they didn’t want to move Rios. Clearly, they can’t move Wells; that contract is horrendous. Perhaps they’ve decided that they have no choice but to move Rios. I wouldn’t mind him patrolling CF for us. I’m just not comfortable giving them Joba or Hughes.
Why is it so hard to believe that this could be a scare tactic to get the Phillies to ante up?
By all counts, Philly is the team that Toronto is zeroing in on.
Rios’ contract isin’t that terrible and he’s still a good player.
I’d have no problem taking his contract back. Wells is a different story. .301 OBP and $90 million left? Ouch.
Forgive me if I’m dense, but how does the Mets turning down that deal offered to them by JP get a fire lit under the Phillies?
Is it to suggest to the Phillies that the price wouldn’t be as high as they might think?
Hinske > Rios
Never knew this about Thurmans crash on Mikes show. Very sad.
Washburn is not available, folks
Halladay or bust
Doreen,
If it’s a ruse, it didn’t work. Philly is not budging on Drybeck (sp?).
The Phillies are running away with the division. They don’t have to make a move per se. They have the upper hand if the Jays insist on zeroing on the Phillies. Which may just show you how soft the market for Doc is.
Heyman’s correct scoops almost always have to do with Boras clients. Halladay doesnt fit that bill…so my guess is he got bad info.
Let’s be honest, there’s no way the Jays asked for those 4 players. They would get shredded by the baseball world for making that trade.
lol @ Carl Crawford jogging to first base thinking he hit a homer then turning on the jets for a stand up inside the park homer.
“Washburn is not available”
as if Seattle has a chance of finishing ahead of the Angels and Texas
So, there may not be a market for Halladay?
Hmmm.
“Washburn is not available, folks
Halladay or bust”
then it’s bust.
I’ll believe Alfred E. Neuman before believing Jon Heyman.
Heyman’s correct scoops almost always have to do with Boras clients. Halladay doesnt fit that bill…so my guess is he got bad info.
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That’s true, Heyman and Boras have some sort of deal going on. He’s usually the first for Boras news. I’d like to know if Heyman generally gives Boras’s clients good press.
Was he hyping Ollie Perez during the off-season???
On Crawford’s HR last night – the fielder who didn’t make the play, when he didn’t make the catch, it looked like he didn’t immediately go to follow the ball – looked like he was hanging out on the fence. What was up with that? Or did I misread the play? No way that should have been more than a triple, from the way I saw the replay.
m
July 21st, 2009 at 2:42 pm
I couldn’t be an umpire. I would be devastated if I caused a team a game like last night’s blown call did.
Actually haven been an umpire for College/HS/Semi-pro levels I can tell you the Umps aren’t worried. Their only concern is being in the right position to make the call. The guys at the ML level are tops and even the worst there are really good. Some have differing ideas of the strike zone and preferrences but they are good. Do they make mistakes, obviously. But they are confident. I’m sure they feel bad about some missed calls but they are more like closers as there is always tomorrow.
Doreen,
makes some sense if you try really hard, lol. Two of the biggest suitors that would drive the market are in the same division.
No Yankees, no Red Sox? Not too much action.
Everyone assumes it’ll take your top prospects, so they take themselves out of the race.
Angels are probably going to re-up with Lackey.
Dodgers don’t want to give up their major league pitching, maybe they don’t have the minor league prospects to get a deal done?
What othere contenders are there?
The Brewers? Do they try the same tactic 2 years in a row? Gets might expensive prospect wise.
What is Fatsessa saying about Thurm?
this goes back to something i said 2 years ago…
“what better of a situation could we, as yankee fans, hope for, than the mets trading away the farm for santana and then not being able to win anyway.”
they really had themselves convinced that parnell fmart and niese were actually “good prospects” and not just “the best of whats left laying around”. no one outside of queens even knows who these guys are. crazy, dilusional, god i love me some mets fans…
Doreen-He thought that the ball went over the fence originally. When he realized that it didn’t he went to field the ball.
@Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
it seems you have an issue with well pitched games. you might find an over 25 mens softball league to be a bit more to your tastes…
Tom B-What?
Thanks, Wait . That would explain what I saw.
what makes the news absurd is that the Mets had turned down the offer.. lets look at a few top Mets prospects that have been recently traded..
1) lastings milledge. (already traded to another team )
2) philip humber
3) carlos gomez..
4) heilmann
none of these 4 players have had any decent impact with their respective teams.. If I was another team’s gm, I would stay away from mets prospects as they have shown nothing recently.. except for reyes and wright, whom they have retained no one has lived to expectations.. even kazmir has fallen off the hill.. fernando martinez and niese have already been up in the major league level and both have been overmatched.. Parnell after the initial few games has been really hit hard… These 3 players and some unknown shortshop for arguably the best pitcher in the majors?? if this deal was true, then jays would probably be in the basement for 10 more years to come..
Anyone that can should listen to Francessa. He’s talking to the writer of the Munson book. Real interesting. Brings back alot of memories of that time.
It’s getting really annoying how talk radio and the papers are discussing this rumor non-stop and treating it as gospel. It’s just that: a rumor; a completely untrue one at that according to numerous sources. The *only* guy who’s standing by it is Heyman and he’s a tool. Let’s stop talking about it and talking about things that are *really* happening, such as the Yanks playing really well. I love how Mets fans think that the F-Mart, Parnell, Niese, and Tejada have any snowball’s chance in hell of getting someone like Halladay.
I didn’t know or I misremembered that Thurm actually survived the initial landing but then crashed into a tree paralizing him and then the other 2 on the plane escaped before the plane burst into flames killing the captain.
Good for Tippy Martinez
YankeeRay
July 21st, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Good for Tippy Martinez
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What a great story. Makes you want to read the book.
Francesa is 100% correct. I hate the Mets and I would be very unhappy if they got him.
I understand they stink this year but any team with Santana and Halladay is very very dangerous. The Mets (if healthy) would be very good next year with those 2 at the top of the rotation.
Good thing they don’t have what it takes to make any deals but I would give them the kitchen sink and everything around it to get Doc.
evan,
i kindly disagree.. mets will be cash strapped with the deal and wont have the money to sign a first baseman and address other needs like bullpen and starting rotation.. with halladay and santana, they will have the best 1-2 in the majors but after that its a big question mark… they cannot sign sheffield and expect him to play full time.. delgado will be gone.. they will have to rely again on reyes, beltran and wright for offense… Halladay to the Yankees, redsox or Phillies will put the respective team in a much better position than halladay going to the Mets.. They have a big ballpark and no power to hit homeruns..
Pete,
Didn’t know you were a fan of Mr Declan McManus. I also think trust is an underated album and “From a whisper to a scream” is my favorite song on it.
Someone probably planted that story about the Mets to get them some press. Lord knows they could use it. Their fans are all excited today because they beat the Nats last night.
Meanwhile in the Bronx, Go Sergio! I hope he gives us at least 5-6 tonight.
Wild card in a trade for Halladay is Vernon Wells. If someone is willing to take Wells’ contract off the Jay’s hands, they may be able to get Halladay for less than market. Any Met fan know a team that could use a live (un-injured) bat in the middle of the lineup?
Francesa is knocking down (pompously of course) anyone who calls and thinks the Mets shouldnt make the deal. Now what you have to keep in mind is Halliday will do no good for them this year, other than to placate angry fans. And he will be looking for a big extension after 2010. It may be more prudent to spread the dollars evenly among other places (power hitting outfielder or first base). Delgado and Wagner are off the books for next year keep in mind for some payroll flexibility.
Screw the Mets, Francesa, and Halliday! “Trust” is a great album! As previously posted, “From a Whisper to a Scream” with Glenn Tilbrook of Squeeze is a great tune. So is “Black Sails in the Sunset,” “New Laced Sleeves,” “You’ll Never be a Man,” “Clubland”, “Shot With His Own Gun”…that’s all I can think of off-hand…
NEW COSTELLO BLOWS THOUGH! GO YANKS. HOPEFULLY TOMKO FINISHED HIS PAINTING OF PETE ABE AND ANGEL BERROA TOGETHER!
JP is stuck. He can’t pit the Phillies against the Mets in a bidding war because:
a)Hallady probably would reject a trade to the Mets
b)The Mets don’t have enough talent in the minors
c)The Phillies are winning the division easily and therefore are less likely to give up top prospects with so many teams being so far behind
Olney reported the Dodgers basically told JP he can’t have Kershaw, Billingsly or Kemp. The Dodgers, like the Phillies, will comfortably win their division and therefore are less likely to forfeit top prospects.
This almost leaves JP to let the bidding war between the Yankees and Red Sox ensue. It’s still not clear if the Yankees or Red Sox will overpay but if you look at the AL East race, those 2 teams have the most to gain or lose if the other acquires Halladay and adds him to their rotation. They will fight till the end in the regular season and may meet in the playoffs.
Cashman should be willing to take on Rios and his contract and giving up a top prospect like Montero.
Hallady is the next Curt Schilling, a real difference maker in postseason play. The difference is. He may stay dominant far longer than Schilling did for the Sox.
The Sox or Yankees will fight for Halladay. I’m calling it now. He’s a Sox or Yankee by July 31st, 2009.
Before you shoot down this notion here me out.
Nobody expected the Red Sox to swoop in and bid 50 million for Matsuzaka. Both rivals wanted him so he was a double kill.
Nobody expected the Yankees to grab Tex at the last minute from beneath the Sox nose.
Contreras is another example.
The Sox cannot afford to let the Yankees get Halladay. If they do, mark my words, Big Papi already won his last ring.
Completely agree with Brett the Hitman!
I’m just shocked that Fred Sanford agreed to manage the Mets.
Met fans deserve it all for running Willie out of town….he took them to within an eyelash of a pennant an didn’t have anyone named Santana to do it with and they turned on him.
Now the morons want Bobby Valentine back….I guess they don’t remember when they ran him out of town.
Worst and least knowledgeable fans in all of sports…the last time any of them touched a baseball….it was teeball.
Watch your step!
He’s staying put.