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Grats Phil!!!
At least it was a shorter than average game. Great pitching by Hughes. Great game for Tex. CC battled…. This is great baseball.
Did the Yanks just win their seventh straight game? Are you sure?
I thought they were losing this game 10-0 and had no chance of coming back?
Here’s a compilation of the whiners, complainers, and bridge jumpers – some of course are the usual suspects.
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PJH July 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
This guy has a 6 ERA in his last 5 starts? He will probably shut us out for 7 innings.
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Al from BK July 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Now who DIDN’T see the Yanks getting owned by this kid. Better hope we get to that bullpen.
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sunny615 July 23rd, 2009 at 10:41 pm
A’s seem to be spankin’ CC pretty good too…
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Al from BK July 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
CC is pedestrian, and the Yanks pull the usual act against a 22 yr old pitcher. Pretty much ballgame.
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PJH July 23rd, 2009 at 10:43 pm
We did not even show up for this one.
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G-C July 23rd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
This is a pretty piss poor performance from CC.
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Al from BK July 23rd, 2009 at 10:52 pm
I just think the Yanks bail when they face a rookie, a championship team should take care of 20 yr old kids.
Giuseppe Franco
hahahaha
think what I liked most is no crazy fist pumping or chest beating after the save either – unlike Joba, Papelbum, and K-Rod.
hopefully we don’t get the same stupid debate with Hughes that we have with Joba.
al from BK is not looking good…why al why…your a regular but you say this stuff all the time
The difference is that Clemente was an ambassador of baseball, a model citizen who always hustled and played the right way. He also was a great clutch hitter and was patient, a grinder.
Cano just doesn’t have the winning mindset that Clemente had
Lol @ Franco bringing up emotional posts while the Yankees were getting dominated and before they broke out. I hope it makes you feel important
apparently the Yankees are 18-7 (best or 2nd best) this year against rookie pitchers.
who knew?
Here’s a proposal. If the Yanks win 9 games in a row, during the 10th game, no matter what happens, no bitching…
C’mon, just one game.
Who’s game?
Al from BK: can you do something with your handle so we know when you’re posting emotionally vs. rationally?
did cc have a good start i didnt see the game do any one u think the yanks will sing someone befor the deadline like in the pen or another starter and if so who
Al from BK with multiple appearances. Is he the official blog chicken little?
Youuuuuuuuuuse is just amazing. I don’t know if he can keep this up but he does have the temperament to close in New York. No chest bumping, no fist pumping, no having imaginary conversations with God, like the other closer in town. Just a handshake and going about his business.
Congrats Phil and the Yankees! They are playing some great baseball, heres to 7 in a row!
Whether it was Hughes or Joba solidifying the 8th inning role – that has been the key to the turn-around this season.
People don’t realize how valuable it is to have him there.
In the future Hughes will be a #2 starter and Joba will have the setup/closer role.
Woah…are people actually comparing Robinson Cano and Roberto Clemente?
Woah…are people actually comparing Robinson Cano and Roberto Clemente?
cano has been fielding great this year.he deserves the gold glove..
sabathia is a horse.. 7 innings for the 13th time..
the key was no walks, walks kill..
hughes is out of his mind. longest streak of no runs since Mo did it a few years ago…
CC 10-6 with 3.67 era
Probably what Joba would be doing in the pen. More inspiration in the pen I think. Hughes must stay there for now.
Give Al from Burger King a break… he is a great fan.
Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Not all of them are positive, optimistic, and think the team can do no wrong.
Hughes looks real good coming out of the pen. I actually need to chill with my posting in game threads, I should just stick to throwing my remote or pacing
who’s the better reliever? Joba 07? Or phil 09?
You can talk about Hughes being a starter all you want….Yea starters are important and all that jazz…how Cashman said Phil is a starter and all that crap..but you have to notice since he been in the pen the team has been on a roll. I have not seen this kind of dominance since Mo was setting up for Wettland in 1996…Please, the pen is important and if Hughes future is there so be it…you can always trade for a starter but to find a late innings guy that can pitch in the pressure that is NY…well Phil your future might be in the pen….by the way ask yourself this…If Hughes is in the minors now starting and getting ready for next year or in the bigs making that Mitre start the other night, do the yankees win 7 straight after the break and win those 2-1 games…To all on here the bullpen is important
Although as projected Phil Hughes is playing a major role this year as Peter said, although we would assume the major role was as a starter. Obviously I am a huge Hughes fan and still see him as a starter, but his dominance in the pen even comes as a shock to me. His stuff shouldn’t surprise though, minus a few mph on the fastball this is the dominance he showed in the minors after brief periods of adjustment at each level he moved up. Maybe the cutter, the tighter curve and the increased velocity were the adjustments that took a while and he has arrived permanently
4 different relievers have recorded a save this season
MO
Hughes
Coke
Aceves
For now Joba ’07. Joba would come into pressure spots with runners on and dominate. Last test for Hughes is coming in to shut some doors. Done it a few times, but he has mostly started his own innings.
Great job, Giuseppe Franco. That kind of post needs to be made after every victory.
Joba vs. Brett Anderson
Talk about a heavy hitting matchup of young phenoms. Anderson has yet to allow a run this month and threw a complete game shutout in Fenway a couple weeks ago. He is the real deal.
“think what I liked most is no crazy fist pumping or chest beating after the save either – unlike Joba, Papelbum, and K-Rod.”
other thing the players love Hughes’s attitude and pose…Mo talks glowing about him….it make me nuts that people who say joba should be in the pen and hughes a starter…People if its not broken don’t try to fix it!!!!! period
Earlier in the year I argued that Joba would be more valuable in the 8th inning instead of starting mostly because I thought he could positively affect multiple games per week as opposed to just one.
As the Yankees continue winning this month Hughes has played an MVP type role (along with Mo) as they Yankees have won many 1, 2 and 3 run games. Pete has said multiple times it was a “waste” of talent and “anyone” could be found to do that.
Care to take that back? Anybody does not include Edwar, Veras, Marte, Robertson, Melancon, Albaladejo, or even Bruney! Not as easy as it seems.
This is why in the future if Joba is not an ace (or a #2 starter) he is more valuable in the pen setting up Rivera or closing if he could be that special reliever he was in 2007. SiInce the Yanks already have CC, AJ and Hughes – Joba is likely to be our #4 starter. He is simply more valuable in the 8th/9th than he is as a #4 or #5. Why? Because you can always go out and find (or buy if you are the Yankees) a back of the rotation starter. You cannot find or buy lock down relievers like Mariano – or even what Hughes is doing. It’s just too valuable and too rare – especially when you have the ability to come back and win outright most of the time.
Why even have a postgame? It’s 1 in the morning!!!
let the guys get some sleep and do the postgame tomorrow.
As Joba and Hughes have shown, it’s a lot easier to be a reliever than a starter, but both will be aces for the Yankees if they remain healthy.
Don’t tell Yousse,that hanging around MO,doesn’t rub off!!
This win makes the RSh have to win,I’m lovin it.
Just busting your chops, Al from BK, keep posting as much as you like, emotional or not…
RMEL
July 24th, 2009 at 1:00 am
…you can always trade for a starter but to find a late innings guy that can pitch in the pressure that is NY…
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You can always trade for a starter that can handle the pressure in NY, but can’t trade for a reliever?
Care to cite a few examples of these trades you speak of that brought us starters that handled said pressure?
Are saves like drugs? Don’t want Hughes to get addicted.
Holy Canoli = classic
clicking on all cylinders in the Bronx
“CC 10-6 with 3.67 era”
Which isn’t very good for a number one starter.
Best thing about that game was CC rebounding from two pretty bad innings to absolutely dominate the last 5. The first two innings, he was just about as bad as I’ve seen him pitch since coming here. But those last 5 were a completely different pitcher. He shut them down for the most part, and if they DID get on, he worked his way out of jams.
Also not to be lost in all this is the infield defense. Robbie was GREAT in the field tonight.
While the first two innings were pretty forgettable, the last 7 were the same great baseball we’ve been watching the last two weeks. This is a special team.
Sabathia is on pace for close to 250 innnings pitched for the 4th straight season…
does anybody think this is an issue (come playoff time) ?
I think the best thing about the game was Teix’s offense and defense.
Joba – ’07 vs. Hughes – ’09
http://www.baseball-reference......;t=p#sprel
vs.
Pitchers who had great NY makeup
Starters – Weaver, Irabu, Vasquez, Brown, Randy Johnson, Pavano
Relievers – Farnsworth, Hawkins, Karsay, Vizcaino
Boston Dave 2.0
does anybody think this is an issue (come playoff time) ?
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It could be. If they have the ability to truncate his outings in Sept., they should.
Evan, I don’t think the point is for Joba to pitch as a #4. If he settles in as a #4, he is probably destined for the bullpen.
The point is to see if he can develop into a #1 or #2. The idea is to have a rotation that looks like this: #1, #1A, #2, #2A, #3.
# Boston Dave 2.0 July 24th, 2009 at 1:09 am
Sabathia is on pace for close to 250 innnings pitched for the 4th straight season…
does anybody think this is an issue (come playoff time) ?
As long as hes not pitching on 3 days rest down the stretch he will be good.
http://www.baseball-reference......9&t=p
Anyone else expect Joba and Hughes to flip-flop spots at some point down the line if Cash doesn’t get another starter? Hughes can use more innings, and Joba may need less eventually…
CC tossed a fine game tonight, but I’m still concerned about his strikeout rate. Its the reason why Anaheim has given him trouble this year and the reason why he seems to just be all too hittable…he’s not missing any bats. Right now he’s striking out 6.58 batters per nine innings- he’s far from being a “power” pitcher. To put it in perspective, Moose struck out 6.75 batters per nine last year.
Can CC be a dominant pitcher with this kind of strikeout rate? Maybe. He’d have to refine himself into a finesse guy. And given that his fastball velocity is as good as its been his entire career, I don’t see why he has to take that path. Find out why you aren’t missing as many bats and start doing it, preferably before October begins.
There were two very good regular season pitching FA signings over the last decade until this season:
Starter: Moose
Reliever: Gordon
BD,
Absolutely. It’s no secret that the last 2 years he has been overworked and had nothing left in the playoffs.
Considering we have no idea what we’re getting from our #3-5, we kind of need CC to give us length and save the pen. But it could cost us down the line.
Great job Hughes!
CC got the win,but man is he scary.He gets smacked with a few runs,then wakes up.
This month and next month are important. If we have a healthy lead in september we can rest CC and Joba
Their numbers are very similar – Phil only needs to throw 1.2 more innings to equal what Joba threw in ’07. Phil has allowed 2 ER vs. Joba’s 1 ER. Phil has allowed a slightly lower OPS. They’ve both been money in the pen. Further proving that talented starters can make for good relievers (so long as they have the mindset for it).
Well put, as usual BJK. Joe with the talent of a #1/2 pitching as the #4 in our rotation creates favorable matchups… advantage, Yankees.
I find Rickey Henderson stories and quotes endlessly amusing…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....18S521.DTL
Joba is going to be rested with or without a “healthy lead.”
BD,
Hopefully in September, when we have the expanded roster, we can start to monitor his innings better and keep him fresh.
The problem with CC is that even when he does badly, he still goes long. He had a struggling outing vs. LA, yet pitched into the 7th inning. He gave up 5 runs against Tampa, yet pitched 8 innings etc. He isin’t the type of guy who is going to give up 8 runs in 2 innings. That’s a good thing, but it also hurts when it comes to keeping his innings down.
From the KJ YES blog –
“We’ve been in a blogging funk. We admit it. We spend hours online and none blogging. So we asked the master, PA, how he blogs so darn much. Even on days off, he blogs. When he sleeps, he blogs. No response. He just shrugs. We figure it’s devotion to his readers and the hundreds of thousands who post comments. Whatever it is, he is really, really dedicated. It’s almost annoying.”
The aloof Yankee Blogfather, with the nifty shrug. I like it. Don’t give out secrets for free. Cool Hand Pete.
“You can always trade for a starter that can handle the pressure in NY, but can’t trade for a reliever?
Care to cite a few examples of these trades you speak of that brought us starters that handled said pressure?”
the point is that you can always find quality starts…if the Yankees wanted Doc or Lee they have enough to get them…they needed 2 starter in the off season and got AJ and CC…you want good starers you have to pay for them…and please i don’t want to hear that we are trying to save money here and there…if the yankee really want a player they will get them….Also how do think the rest of the team would feel if hughes was taken out of his role and put in the rotation…yea send burney out for the 8th…do you think they want to see that
Hughes is the real deal. I’ve seen the Chairman Posada give him props, not one, but twice!
Raved about his stuff in his first spring training.
Posada also said that Hughes is a large part of why the Yankees are where they are.
And I love the fact that Phil does his thing and doesn’t need to be pimped up by the 4-letter network.
Our September schedule is BRUTAL – 7 with Tampa, 4 with Angels, 3 with Boston.
And in late September during the home stretch, we play Boston at home then embark on a Seattle-Angels trip.
Don’t know how much we can truncate CC’s innings when we’re playing such big games. Hopefully we can clinch early, but in this division, I wouldn’t bet on it.
There has been twice as many perfect games in the last 45 years (1964) as ther was in the first 90 years of Major League baseball (12-6).
Yeah, the Yankees could trade for Lee or Halladay, but if some of their aging position players break down next season, they won’t have the pieces to replace them.
That’s why it makes more sense to marshal your assets so that you can be in a position to win every single year.
Plus trading Montero would be insane.
Is Hughes getting a little chunky?
I think he put on 8-10 pounds of muscle in the off season.
Fattening up on AL hitters.
LOVED Hughes postgame comments….
Same thing, nothing different.
Same guys, not turning into “superheroes” in the 9th
“I guess they give out belts for 2 innings” in response to comment that he got the championship belt, followed by a laugh.
Great interview for Hughes. Maintained a sense of humor when asked the same question 3 times. Made it clear he wasn’t going to give the writers the quote they wanted about the save. And then a classic line about getting the belt.
“Hughes is the real deal. I’ve seen the Chairman Posada give him props, not one, but twice!
Raved about his stuff in his first spring training.
Posada also said that Hughes is a large part of why the Yankees are where they are.”
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tell Posada that hughes is going to be taken out of his role..how do you think he will feel about that….Like Joe G said i have to look the other 24 guys in the eye and say its the best for him and not the team…please some people need to wake up on here
Getting fat off innings.
They gave the belt to Hughes for his first save?
Very cool, but it was just another day in the park.
I think mo’s scoreless record is 23 innings.
If Posada makes the same mistake with Hughes that he did with Joba, he will suffer the same consequences. So far he has not crossed that line.
LOL @ Hughes post game. Ever since he went to the bullpen they have asked the difference in pitching the 7th inning, 8th inning and now the 9th inning this year.
Every time Hughes wins the belt he should share it with Johnny Damon.
lol. If Phil pitches in the 10th, you think they’ll ask the same questions?
Hughes is taking the same route as Joba he is just 1 year behind though. Next year after he has a couple of rough starts like any young pitcher there is going to be a ton of talk that he belongs in the bullpen.
RMEL
July 24th, 2009 at 1:16 am
the point is that you can always find quality starts…if the Yankees wanted Doc or Lee they have enough to get them…they needed 2 starter in the off season and got AJ and CC…you want good starers you have to pay for them…and please i don’t want to hear that we are trying to save money here and there…if the yankee really want a player they will get them….Also how do think the rest of the team would feel if hughes was taken out of his role and put in the rotation…yea send burney out for the 8th…do you think they want to see that
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1) Again, I’m curious as to some examples of those easy to find quality starts. If we were to trade for a Livan Hernandez or a Bronson Arroyo and bring their 5+ National League ERAs to the AL, how long do you think the fans will put up with that?
2) Hughes will go where he is needed the most. The plan for him is to stay in the bullpen until next season because it would be too hard to stretch him back out again. The only way they move him back to the rotation is if there is an injury they need to replace. I think Aceves goes first. But next year, all bets are off. Phil Franchise is a starter until he proves he’s not.
Okay, did I miss something? When Wang went down we didn’t need to get another starter.
But as soon as Girardi mentions some concern about Joba’s innings, the story is we gotta get one because of that?
We’ve needed a starter for two weeks, that’s not news.
I missed Phil’s post-game – what’d he say? He’s very good with the media…so whatever he said, it’s bound to be smart.
Tomorrow ,I expect to read more dopey Phil to the pen articles. Oh well, too bad for them the Yankees understand how good Phil can be as a starter.
He threw some nasty, nasty pitches ……..wow.
I was perusing LoHud the night Hughes got bombed in Baltimore back in May and it’s really funny to reflect a bit and read the boards that night.
There sure are a lot of believers on Hughes now that wanted Hughes in Scranton or gone altogether back then.
Mel, CB, and a handful of others never doubted this kid was eventually going to turn it around.
Kudos to them.
Just a little perspective when people whine and complain about Joba after a rough start.
http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....for-start/
Hughes has a lot of composure, a much more relaxed personality and is seems unfazed out there, a true poker face. I think Posada porbably has good respect for him because he is a professional and Hughes I would assume defers to his catcher on pitch selection etc. And Hughes works fairly rapidly as well. He gets right back up there ready to pitch with good mound presnse
“tell Posada that hughes is going to be taken out of his role..how do you think he will feel about that….”
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Who cares?
One of the ways that Phil is a lot like mo is that he’s even-keeled out there.
That’s key, imo.
Lol at CC playing Nintendo during the whole 3 hour rain delay
Phil got the belt? Cool, I thought CC would have gotten it…or Tex. Nice to see the guys rewarding Phil for a job well done and the first (and maybe only) save he will have in his career.
1) Again, I’m curious as to some examples of those easy to find quality starts. If we were to trade for a Livan Hernandez or a Bronson Arroyo and bring their 5+ National League ERAs to the AL, how long do you think the fans will put up with that?
2) Hughes will go where he is needed the most. The plan for him is to stay in the bullpen until next season because it would be too hard to stretch him back out again. The only way they move him back to the rotation is if there is an injury they need to replace. I think Aceves goes first. But next year, all bets are off. Phil Franchise is a starter until he proves he’s not.
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i never mentioned to trade for those bums….if they want a top tier starter you have to pay for it….what you want every player to come from our minor leagues?…please you have to trade or as in last off season you sign 2 top starts…this off season sign Lackey, i don’t care, you can find starters…and like i said before who is in the 8th inning next year… Mark “deer in headlights” Melancon…give me a break tell that to the team…
GF: thanks for the love in that thread, now I’m just part of the “handful of others”???
Guiseppe,
Ooh. I bet you irritate your wife all the time by throwing her words back in her face. You have the memory of an elephant.
I don’t want to be reminded of all the negative stuff, but I do remember it was pretty thick.
Speaking of elephants, was is that patch on the left sleeve of the Oakland unis? Looked like an elephant balancing on a baseball.
“tell Posada that hughes is going to be taken out of his role..how do you think he will feel about that….”
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Who cares?
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right, thats what you want a team that question the organization…the players development is more important then the team winning…what would you say back in 1996…Mo should be a stater he is far to dominate in the pen…wow
Hughes will be a starter unless he wants to stay a reliever.
RMEL
July 24th, 2009 at 1:39 am
i never mentioned to trade for those bums….if they want a top tier starter you have to pay for it….what you want every player to come from our minor leagues?…please you have to trade or as in last off season you sign 2 top starts…this off season sign Lackey, i don’t care, you can find starters…and like i said before who is in the 8th inning next year… Mark “deer in headlights” Melancon…give me a break tell that to the team…
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My point is you said it’s easy to trade for a starter. You’ve yet to provide even one example of when they traded for a successful starter. I cited Livan and Arroyo as examples because those are the type of pitchers available via trades.
As for free agent signings, it’s getting harder and harder to find good free agent starters because teams are locking up their pitchers more than ever. Other than Lackey, there isn’t much out there. And my guess is Lackey (who is having a down year BTW) stays with the Angels.
Mel,
Not married, yet. But I will be next summer. LOL. Fair point, however.
Nick,
I forgot about you. My bad. Consider yourself one of the “handful of others.”
I thought this was an interesting quote. Wanna know who said it?
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Enjoy Scranton. Give Aveves the next start.
This kid can’t pitch at this level.
He tries but, he’s just not good enough.
Too many implosions.
Find a home for him at the deadline while teams still think he’s a prospect.
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Drumroll……
SJ44
m
July 24th, 2009 at 1:40 am
Guiseppe,
Ooh. I bet you irritate your wife all the time by throwing her words back in her face. You have the memory of an elephant.
I don’t want to be reminded of all the negative stuff, but I do remember it was pretty thick.
Speaking of elephants, was is that patch on the left sleeve of the Oakland unis? Looked like an elephant balancing on a baseball.
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Yes it is, Mel. That logo is from the late ’20s when Connie Mack’s Phialdelphia a’s were derisively called “Mack’s white Elephants” by John McGraw because of his Steinbrenneresk free spending raids on the NL teams, although they didn’t win in the first few years.
GODDAMMIT!
I fell asleep in the chair waiting for this damn game to start!
Unless I become an insomniac, I WILL NEVER WATCH ANOTHER CENTERSTAGE AGAIN!
RMEL
July 24th, 2009 at 1:42 am
what would you say back in 1996…Mo should be a stater he is far to dominate in the pen…wow
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Bad example. Mo wasn’t successful as as starter and only had/has one pitch. Moving him to the pen made sense.
Phil hasn’t really had success as a starter. 3 good starts?
i would leave phil right where he is for this year.
GF,
Ha! Good luck. The secret to a long, happy marriage is to let sleeping dogs lie.
Speaking of sleeping dogs, did Pel not get Phil’s postgame comments?
GB7,
Thanks for that info. Do you remember the good old days when it was a wooly mammoth instead of an elephant?
m
July 24th, 2009 at 1:56 am
GF,
Ha! Good luck. The secret to a long, happy marriage is to let sleeping dogs lie.
Speaking of sleeping dogs, did Pel not get Phil’s postgame comments?
GB7,
Thanks for that info. Do you remember the good old days when it was a wooly mammoth instead of an elephant?
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I was there when they were only one cell, crawling out of te muck.
Bad example. Mo wasn’t successful as as starter and only had/has one pitch. Moving him to the pen made sense.
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right and hughes has been a great starter…he has 2 pitches a curve and fastball…no change….and if you really want to know Mo had a change back then and it was ok at best he did not develop the cutter until 1997 in 1996 he was throwing a mid 90′s fastball a slider and change…those are the facts
IrishCarBomb
July 24th, 2009 at 1:54 am
Phil hasn’t really had success as a starter. 3 good starts?
i would leave phil right where he is for this year.
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He’s had more than 3. And you have to take into account the injuries.
Greetings.
The Yanks have too many middle relievers in the minors and not enough depth (mostly due to injuries) for starters ready to help the big team.
Why not start stretching out some relievers at AAA and AA who have more than two good pitches and make them starting pitchers?
Melancon (now with changeup)? Robertson? Claggett? Sanchez? others???
Regards.
Wow Mel, pounding the strike zone again. On fire on this thread.
All. Do the Yanks ever lose?
Random book recommendation that I just finished and really enjoyed. “City of Thieves”
-dennis
GB7.
So families back then only had one cell phone?
-dennis
dennis-Costanza
July 24th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Wow Mel, pounding the strike zone again. On fire on this thread.
All. Do the Yanks ever lose?
Random book recommendation that I just finished and really enjoyed. “City of Thieves”
-dennis
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Is that the book about the establishment of the city of Boston?
Morning, Dennis. Hope all is well with you and Ms amy, this week.
dennis-Costanza
July 24th, 2009 at 2:05 am
GB7.
So families back then only had one cell phone?
-dennis
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LMAO. Yeah, pretty much, Dennis. We didn’t get bothered by a lot of calls and telemarketers, though.
Thing is Hughes served up those 2 runs in Fenway on a 1-2 pitch to Youklis ( ? ) in his 3rd appearence as a reliever….Since then he’s been lockdown ever since….K’s to BB’s is the storyline…
Pel you can make it up by sharing your audio links.
GF,
Only problem with that…..it wasn’t me. That was an imposter.