Game 97: Athletics at Yankees
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 25, 2009 
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YANKEES (59-37)
Jeter DH
Gardner CF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Cabrera LF
Ransom SS
Molina C
Pitching: LHP Andy Pettitte (8-5, 4.62).
ATHLETICS (40-55)
Kennedy 3B
Cabrera SS
Hairston LF
Garciaparra DH
Cust RF
Davis CF
Crosby 1B
Ellis 2B
Powell C
Pitching: LHP Gio Gonzalez (1-2, 9.33).
TIME/TV: 1:05, YES.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees have won eight straight and 21 of their last 26. Only the Dodgers (61-35) have a better record and that gap is closing. The Yankees are also tied with Boston for the second-best run differential in the game at +77. The Dodgers lead at +111. Tampa Bay is fourth at +76.
STREAKS: The Yankees are looking to match their season-long streak of nine wins in a row from May 13-21.
NICE BREAK: The Yankees are undefeated since the All-Star break, outscoring the opposition 37-20.
IT’S ALL ABOUT PITCHING: The Yankees have a 2.25 ERA since the All-Star break and their starters are 6-0 with a 2.35 ERA.
ANOTHER LOST SEASON: The Athletics have lost 17 of their last 25 games and 24 of the last 39. Hollywood is said to be making a movie about Billy Beane based on the book Moneyball. Maybe they already did. It was called Titanic.
PUNCHING BAGS: The Yankees are 4-0 against Oakland this season and 9-1 going back to last year. They have won eight straight in the series.
SLUGGING SHELLEY: Shelley Duncan was 4 for 7 with two homers and three RBI in a doubleheader last night for Tripe-A Scranton. He is hitting 25 homers and 75 RBI in 84 games this season. His OPS is .943.
THE GREATEST HUGHES SINCE HOWARD: Phil Hughes has thrown 19.2 scoreless innings in his last 15 appearance, striking out 22. He has a microscopic 0.74 ERA as a reliever.
THE MELKMAN DELIVERS: Melky Cabrera broke out of a slump with three hits last night. He has three three-hit games, all coming at Yankee Stadium.
COKE IS IT: The Yankees are 13-1 in the last 14 games Phil Coke has appeared in. Lefties are hitting .188 against him. But they do have five home runs.
MOVING UP: Today will be Jeter’s 2,076 game, matching Bernie Williams for fifth on the franchise’s all-time list.
PETTITTE POWER: Andy Pettitte is 11-5 with a 3.24 ERA against Oakland in his career.
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Your Hand In Mine by Explosions In The Sky. Instrumental stuff from the band that does the Friday Night Lights soundtrack. Good and soothing on a Saturday morning. Now it’s time to grab a Red Bull and go to the clubhouse.
Back with more later. It’s a beautiful day, stop reading the internet and go outside.
UPDATE, 11:48 a.m.: I’m sure there is the usual irrational panic about the lineup. But it’s a game after a night game and the Yankees don’t have a day off coming until Aug. 3. The Yankees are in the middle of a stretch that will see them play 17 straight days and 33 out of 34 days. Would you rather give guys a rest against Oakland at home or in Tampa? Or against Boston?
Meanwhile, Girardi said that A-Rod would get a day off tomorrow or at best be the DH.
UPDATE, 1:24 p.m.: We’re in the first inning at the Stadium on a beautiful day with a big crowd. Even the Legends seats are mostly full for once. Enjoy the game wherever you are.
UPDATE, 1:42 p.m.: Nine up and nine down for Andy. Three strikeouts, four groundouts and a pop-up. Only Mark Ellis (line drive to short) hit the ball well. He’s working that cutter again.
UPDATE, 1:47 p.m.: Gio Gonzalez is a walk away from perfection. Nice tidy game so far. Three innings in 38 minutes.
UPDATE, 2:17 p.m.: Meky breaks up the Gonzalez no-hitter in the fifth inning (yes, the fifth inning) with a bunt single. Gonzalez twisted his left foot trying to make a play but he will stay in the game. Something to keep an eye on.
UPDATE, 2:20 p.m.: Five innings in 68 minutes. How about that?
UPDATE, 2:25 p.m.: Andy Pettitte’s last 13.1 innings: 8 hits, 1 run, 15 K’s.
UPDATE, 2:34 p.m.: Gritty! Gutty! Brett Gardner with an RBI triple to right. Yankees lead 1-0.
Watching him run the bases is fun. He had that standing up easy.
UPDATE, 2:39 p.m.: Bad job by Tex and A-Rod, leaving Gardner stranded at third. 2-0 would look huge in this game. But Pettitte will take the lead. One more inning than Hughes and Mo?
Alex looks like he needs a day off. He’s 1 for 9 with five strikeouts in the last three games.
UPDATE, 2:52 p.m. Tampa Bay has pulled primo SS prospect Reid Brignac out of his AAA game. A trade could be close.
Meanwhile, Girardi just visited the mound here in the seventh inning and left Pettitte in the game to have Rajai Davis with runners on first and second and one out.
UPDATE, 2:54 p.m.: Mistake. Davis rifles a single up the middle to tie it. With three right-handed hitters in a row, why not bring in Aceves?
UPDATE, 3:00 p.m.: Now Oakland leads 3-1. Instead of facing three righties in a row, Aceves got to switch hitter Landon Powell and he went oppo to left field for a two-run RBI single.
Girardi should not have let Pettitte talk him out of it.
UPDATE, 3:08 p.m.: The game has gotten out of hand as Aceves got ripped. Some people actually booed when Oakland went up 6-1. Never mind that the Yankees have won eight straight, 21 of 26 and 44 of 64. They booed. Classy. What great fans in New York, right?
UPDATE, 3:14 p.m.: Turns out Reid Brignac was pulled for not hustling according to Rays scribes. Everybody is working on mysteries without any clues as the trade deadline gets closer, I guess.
Yankees trail 6-1 and have three innings to catch up. Let’s see if they can do it.
UPDATE, 3:31 p.m.: That inning right there is why Gardner should be playing CF every day. He covers acres more ground than Melky.
UPDATE, 3:27 p.m.: Jeter with a Pony League home run over the aux scoreboard in right field. That doesn’t even get to the warning track across the street. But the Captain knows where to hit them here.
What a joke right field is. That’s 159 homers this season, one fewer than all of last season. And it’s July 25.
UPDATE, 3:41 p.m.: That’s didn’t take long. Tex with a legit bomb to right. Yankees back in it, down 6-4.
UPDATE, 3:44 p.m.: Jeter has 11 homers, nine at Yankee Stadium and eight to right field.
Swishalicious with a bloop double and the Yankees will bring the tying run to the plate. Cano against All-Star Andrew Bailey.
UPDATE, 3:51 p.m.: Cano with a runner in scoring position? No chance. Pop to right, inning over. Yanks need two in the ninth to tie.
UPDATE, 3:57 p.m.: Bruney does his job. We go to the ninth with the Yankees down 6-4. Back later with clubhouse reaction.
UPDATE, 4:04 p.m.: Is A.J. baking a pie? Melky and Johnny walk, Posada to the plate with a chance to win it.
Lets go Yankees! Make it 9 in a row!
Coke gave up most of those homers back in the May timeframe when his velocity and command wasn’t as good as it’s been in July.
Explosions in the Sky is great!!!! If you like them you’ll probably like band “This Will Destroy You” … Make sure you get the album with the bear on the cover. It’s solid stuff…. Also are trade rumors this quiet with about a week left before the deadline?
I agree with SJ’s post about HOPE week……..actually, has ESPN or any other sports outlet mentioned it? Not that it matters – the Yankees didn’t do this for national attention. I’ve always cared about the players as people not just as robots in uniforms, but I understand that not everyone does. I’m sure the Yankees players (for the most part – there are some who I don’t have to mention that likely can’t be included in this group, but only a few) are all good guys and now they actually had a chance to give back. It’s good for them and it’s good for the community – and it’s surely good for all these kids. I read that AJ was out until 3:45 am throwing whiffle ball batting practice to the kids and some of the Yankees brass slept at the stadium overnight…… Of course the vets are invested in the team, but the newcomers have made their mark. It’s like pinstripes are tattooed on them – they really are Yankees in more than just name.
The Moneyball movie has been scrapped.
im laughing at the lineup
im laughing at the lineup
Some thoughts on potential trade target lefty Scott Downs, after watching replay of his 10th inning loss to the Rays last night:
2 strikes on Hernandez, the catcher and walks him.
Next batter lines out.
Upton grounds slowly to short, runner out at 2nd.
4 pitch walk to lefty Crawford.
Full count to Longoria, who dumps one into short left field and scores both runners. Blows Halladays well pitched game.
Works excrutiatingly slow, constantly going to the rosin bag, then putting dirt on his hand.
Curve at 75, throws nothing greater than 88-89mph.
Look at his situational stats. Worse away from home, worse on grass, as well as with RISP. Blew game to Cleveland before this one.
Has a 3.75M contract this year and is signed thru next year.
Would he help us. Probably. But no to giving up a top-notch prospect and taking on his salary to boot!!!
That lineup looks pretty weak with Damon, Posada, and Matsui getting days off. Hopefully we can get another strong start out of Andy and slap around this rookie pitcher.
The only thing that I think the Yankees desperately need is an upgrade in RF. That first run yesterday, Oy. My take on that is Rios, available, reasonable, scuffling a bit – needs a change of scenery.
Boy, Rios. If the Yankees could work something on getting Rios, even if they overpaid. That is a top quality OF who needs a change of scenery. He can even play CF if needed. Just think, a corner OF with speed and an arm. Woah. Then next year – an OF of Jackson, Rios, Melky, Gardner isn’t that shabby and a great upgrade on defense.
They should call it the Titanic? HI YOOOOOOOOOO.
To be honest, Damon and Matsui looked terrible against the lefty yesterday. I understand why they are getting a rest today.
Speaking of the Dodgers, Jon Kruk has a segment on how Torre is burning through their bullpen and leaving their pitching staff completely vulnerable in post-season play.
Yeesh talk about the B lineup…
Yanks will still win, doesn’t matter who plays.
You don’t burn out the team before a big road trip.
Not every game is must win. It ain’t football.
The key is to keep guys fresh. Especially with an older team.
As far as Downs is concerned, don’t look at one game and make an evaluation. People who do that look foolish.
Its like some on here that want to nominate Yankee players for the HOF if they have a big game against the Red Sox. Single game performances in a baseball season mean nothing. Its about looking at the big picture.
Scott Downs is one of the best relief pitchers in the AL. He has pitched, and pitched well, in the AL East for the last several years.
Can the Yankees get him? I don’t know why Toronto would trade him unless they feel like they can’t sign him long term.
If that’s the case, I’d make a move on him and not get caught up in whatever vaunted “prospect” goes back to the Jays.
Its not going to be Hughes, Joba or Montero. Absent that, if you add Downs to the pen, it makes a good bullpen better.
Nothing wrong with that.
The same Rios that cursed out that guy in front of the kid because he was 0-5? Yeah that’s what he needs, the NY media.
If you listen to the YES field mikes, you will hear as many F-Bombs as Rios can possibly utter.
He’s not a bad guy. In this YouTube world, everybody’s bad days can be video taped.
Think about what it would be like if someone made an overall evaluation of you based on your bad day.
It probably won’t happen but, if the Yankees ever got Alex Rios, they would be getting themselves a very good young player who needs a change of scenery.
I’d give Kevin Long 3 weeks with him and he would have him back to form.
If the Blue Jays trade Halladay, Downs and Rios, they might as well tell everybody they aren’t going to be competitive for the next 4 years.
That’s going to be pretty tough to sell to its fan base.
funny sox fans win one game after losing 5 in a row and they run to a Yankee blog to laugh at the lineup. I think that is hysterical.
All I’m interested in is an OF that can play defense with an arm, a little speed and bat reasonably well. In other words Damon and Swisher as corner OFs are below grade. Bruce in Cincinnati is having a tough time making the transition to the Majors. Kick the tires on him.
pete,
you’re posting duncan’s numbers but what about de Caster:
avg:306
oba:403
slg:548
ops:951
although I would like to see another Vet SP who eats innings or another LH RP this year, I would really like to see John Lackey in the rotation in 2010 & Pettitte out.
On my way to the stadium!! Traffic is pretty bad already so if you’re going I’d leave now lol
In response to SJ44 from last post,
The Red Sox would have made those poor kids the other night wait until midday and they’d gotten their rest before they played the carnival. Our guys stayed until 3, 4 in the morning probably, after 6 hour game to give these kids a dream come true…
And they still would have been propped up on ESPN, FOX, etc.
Is there anywhere online that today’s Yankees A’s game can be watched?
Perhaps the Yankees thinking is…..
Downs may be less costly to acquire than a starting pitcher.
If that’s the case, you can put Ace in the rotation, Downs joins Marte (when he’s back soon) in the bullpen, and they are covered when Joba hits his innings limits and/or Mitre doesn’t work out.
Not saying that’s their thinking, just trying to read the tea leaves.
Rios that Youtube video,was rank watching him throw F-bombs in front of the kid,and not giving a measely autograph.It won’t work with the NY media!!
There is definitely a different vibe around this team this year. Starting in spring training when Joe called off practice and took the players to play billiards. I think that is where we can point to the turning point of our season as far as relationships go. The team as a great mix of players, from the stoic vets, to the kids, to the wild and crazy guys. They all seem to click together. They don’t let losing streaks get to long, they fight in every single game down to the last out. We are seeing something with this group that we haven’t seen in years, I am feeling very good about this team!
Too bad Hope week is over, it would be nice to see it continue. Kudos to Jason Zillo for dreaming it up and getting everyone involved. As SJ said too bad they aren’t getting more national play for the great things they did this week. But what is most important, we know, the players know and more importantly the people personally touched by it know.
Is there anywhere online that today’s Yankees A’s game can be watched?
SJ- did you go to youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkGhKjXa8GI
Listen SJ44-
Downs has done exceptionally well since 2007, was very mediocre before that.
Despite his last two outings he’d be an upgrade over Robertson, Marte, Melancon, Bruney, Albaladejo,Ramirez, and if the Blue Jays want two years of salary relief, I am not giving up Hughes, Joba, Montero, or even Jackson[who you did not include], for a 33 year old relief pitcher who tops out on the radar gun at 88, 89, unless last night was an aberration, and he’s going thru the “dead arm” phase.
JAP July 25th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Is there anywhere online that today’s Yankees A’s game can be watched?
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Why don’t you buy the mlb.com package. If you watch all the Yankee games, it averages $0.50 per game. Then you can watch any other out-of-market game, replays, etc. It’s a good deal. I’ve had it the past 3 years.
Hope that the Yanks make it 9 in a row today!
I am heading out to Coney Island and going to see the SI Yankees at the Brooklyn Cyclones later today. This is my first time going to a minor league game and I am looking forward to see the Yankees of the future.
SJ44
I have to disagree , our biggest need is a Starting Pitcher , not anoher reliever.
With Jobas innings nearing its cap , Wang out for this season and maybe next , and Pettite and Mitre rounding out the back end of our rotation. The clear problem is starting pitching.
The Yanks need a clear number 3 or 4. Our bullpen is pitching lights out. I wouldn’t mess with it. If you want to add another insuarnce policy in there .. fine… but not at the expense to land a starting pitcher.
A relief pitcher who has had 3 good years in the AL East is an upgrade to your team.
Nobody is saying giving up A List prospects for him.
However, you have to give up something to get something and a guy like Downs makes it easier to transition Hughes back to the rotation next year, as well as having him to help you win this year.
Sweet_Lou_in_Vermont
I would get mlb.com like I have the past several years along with Directv, but Directv’s prices are so outrageous with every sports package and the economy is so terrible, I cant afford to waste the 150 on MLB.com for the 10-15 Saturday 1pm games a year.
Fran (the original) and OPPC member
July 25th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Hope that the Yanks make it 9 in a row today!
I am heading out to Coney Island and going to see the SI Yankees at the Brooklyn Cyclones later today. This is my first time going to a minor league game and I am looking forward to see the Yankees of the future.
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Have a blast, Fran! And bring back a report on how Higgie looks behind the plate! Also, feedback on Medchill
The starting pitcher coming into the rotation would be Aceves, if they acquire Downs.
The question is, what starting pitcher is out there that would be an upgrade to Aceves and cost you less in prospects than getting Downs?
That’s the way you have to look at it.
If the starters available to you for the price of Downs aren’t an upgrade from Aceves, perhaps they are better off with an Aceves/Downs situation instead of a lesser starter/Aceves stays in the pen situation.
SJ44-
Since all but about 8-9 teams are still in the playoff hunt, a starting pitcher, with a club who falls out in August, shouldn’t be hard to claim off waivers for a team looking for salary relief, like a Washburn, Harden, Harang, etc.[Not that I'd want any of them].
Earlier this week almost everyone felt we needed a #3 starter. If a Scott Downs falls into our lap, we should go for it, because we have too many ifs-[Bruney, Marte, Robertson, Melancon] in the bullpen now,
If they wanted to throw in Scutaro for good measure, I wouldn’t be too upset either!!!!
Looking forward to next year, if Hughes can transition smoothly to starting you have four horsemen and Wang coming back hopefully. I really don’t see the need for someone like Lackey. Then as backup starters, you have Nova, McAllister, Kennedy in the minors.
In regards to national attention to Hope Week, having a 4+ minute segment on the Today Show…as well as appearances by Arod/CC/Tex on the Today Show and Regis and Kelly earlier in the week…I would say is pretty good exposure.
I would bet that more people watch those two shows than ESPN.
If anything it just goes to show that since Torre was here, ESPN has a grudge with the Yankees.
How crazy would it be if Cash was able to make a trade with the Jays…not for Doc, but for Rios and Downs. I would say that would be a pretty good get for Cash.
JAP
Did you try justin.tv?
I have no problem with guys getting rest. However, Alex has played in all of the games since the ASB. Shouldn’t he have been one of the ones to get the rest?
Sorry but Aceves isn’t the answer.. no way.
# Laura – I’m ready for the 2nd half. Are the Yankees?? Why, yes they are!! July 25th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I have no problem with guys getting rest. However, Alex has played in all of the games since the ASB. Shouldn’t he have been one of the ones to get the rest?
Probably tomorrow.
Shelley Duncan for DH next year?
Hey Pete,
Why don’t you show the run differential from May 1st or Arod’s return May 8th as well? In April the Yankees were -8 and the Sox +19.
Tank July 25th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Shelley Duncan for DH next year?
Posada/Montero
“How crazy would it be if Cash was able to make a trade with the Jays…not for Doc, but for Rios and Downs. I would say that would be a pretty good get for Cash.”
I haven’t seen anything that indicates that the Jays want to deal Rios. I thought I had read somewhere that they want to build the new team around him (and Wells since they can’t get rid of him). Rios wouldn’t come cheap either. I don’t think we have to give up Joba or Hughes, but we ain’t sending them Igawa either.
Shelley Duncan for DH next year?
Yeah, at Scranton
a bacon sandwich,
leave Pete alone. I always like knowing other songs that people listen to, so maybe I’ll find a new one
Jim,
Justin.tv I do not see it on. Justintv has really gotten bad recently.
The Moneyball movie has been scrapped.
………..
It’s back on again, albeit with a different director and revised script.
“I have no problem with guys getting rest. However, Alex has played in all of the games since the ASB. Shouldn’t he have been one of the ones to get the rest?
“Probably tomorrow.”
Do you promise, carl?
The question is, what starting pitcher is out there that would be an upgrade to Aceves and cost you less in prospects than getting Downs?
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Can’t think of many-certainly do not want Garland.
Would consider Duscherer if his workout in front of scouts goes well tomorrow, but Oakland would probably want more.
Would not be opposed to picking up two in the bullpen, to give us the flexibility, if Pettitte starts to tire, if Joba starts need to be skipped, etc.
Would have liked Betancourt, who was given away for nothing and is lights out against righties.
Laura
I promise probably
I’m still having a hard time seeing the Yanks in Sept with Mitre and Aceves as their 4-5.
bodhisattva – Thanks. I will provide a full report tonight when I get back.
Does anyone else just despise Fox Saturday Baseball?
Aceves pitched very well in the rotation last year and was better than his numbers in his one start in Minnesota, despite being on a pitch count.
I’d take a stretched out Aceves over a flyball pitcher like Washburn anytime.
There aren’t a lot of starters on the market and won’t require a lot to give up in return.
You can possibly find a bullpen guy, making it easier to transition Ace back into the rotation.
As far as Wang is concerned, if he needs shoulder surgery, he will be out for most, if not all of 2010.
I wouldn’t count on Wang helping the Yankees at all next year if surgery becomes the only way to fix his shoulder.
Laura…I doubt that Rios would cost the Yankees any of the top 4, but it may cost some young talent that could turn into good prospects.
Also, I don’t think it is going to happen, just throwing things against the wall.
“Back with more later. It’s a beautiful day, stop reading the internet and go outside.”
I can’t. The bar exam starts on Tuesday.
Gonna be 100 degrees and humid in Las Vegas. I’ll stay inside.
If Wang requires surgery…he may go down as one of the guys who had a great two year run and then…..
That would be a sad day.
I’ve said it before, Washburn is a guy that pitches well against the Yankees, makes you want him and then when you get him…your left wondering what happened to the guy who kills the Yankees.
No thanks
Vader,
Rios is still very young, got a little much on his contract, but I would love to have him as an upgrade over Melky. BG can be our stolen base guy, spot start guy. I’m sure Rios can play CF and like is said about underachievers or decent ballplayers joining the Pats or Red Sox, I’m sure being wth a winning team can make him prioritize baseball, have a better attitude and succeed.
Carla, a lot of my friends are studying for the bar. That is my future soon as well. Good luck!
I’m not sure why there’s such concern over Aceves starting.
He’s a quality pitcher with four working pitches, which he commands well and gets people to flail on, he changes speeds beautifully, gets DPs and groundouts, and is intense and cool at the same time.
What do you want?
What a coincidence, I’m listening to Explosions in the sky right now too.
If any of you still want Halladay can you top the deal Philly might be giving Toronto in Drabek, Happ, Brown/Taylor, and maybe a 4th player-Carrasco?
Remember Toronto would prefer to trade him to Philly unless our offer is better, plus there will be no extension granted, nor does Halladay want one.
He’s not a “name” and people love names.
Me? I like production more than names. I’d put Ace in the rotation and look to acquire a guy like Downs for the pen. It will cost less in prospects. He has a track record of success in the AL East, takes some of the load off Coke and Hughes, and it balances out the team better, IMO.
I think Downs is also a FA at the end of the year. He has great incentive to pitch well in a pennant race if that’s the case. That can’t hurt either.
Downs is not a FA until after the 2010 season.
If Toronto is looking for a “premium” from the Yankees and Red Sox, there won’t be negotiations with those two teams because neither will pay a premium for him.
They will happily let him go to Philly.
If Toronto wants to talk about getting him with such a foolish premium, that’s a different story.
That’s what happens when you let ownership get involved in trades. That’s never a good mix.
“without” not “with” such a foolish premium. Sorry for the typo.
If Downs isn’t a FA at the end of this season, then the Yankees are definitely thinking about making sure Hughes to the bullpen is a one year thing.
Downs can set up Mo next year, Hughes is back in the rotation and all is well.
Assuming of course they get Downs.
Aceves is the logical choice for now, because he doesn’t need to make some major adjustment to go into the rotation. He’s been using all his pitches in relief, anyway.
Whether they deal for Downs or not, moving Aceves into the rotation could be fairly painless.
For if they could somehow get Melancon started, there’s your replacement for Aceves as the long man: Melancon has 3 quality pitches and can also induce groundouts.
Or if they give Melancon a chance to win the job. Hughes will be back in the rotation next year regardless of what happens at the non-waiver and waiver deadlines.
“I can’t. The bar exam starts on Tuesday.”
Carla:
Good luck to you. I took the bar exam 26 years ago (YIKES!) at the passenger ship terminal on the West Side of Manhattan. If I can pass the darned thing you can too. Remember to celebrate afterward; just getting through it is an accomplishment.
Well, what a shock, Damon can’t play a whole week, which is weak. Ranson, Gardner, and Molina…Yikes…good luck today scoring runs. I don’t know, but another disturbing trend is A Rod again. Last night bases loaded and 1 out, hits into a DP. Night before runners on second and third and 0 outs and he K’s. This is what he is lke in the playoffs last couple of years…..not a threat and past two nights aren’t against pitching aces neither….
RDM, two at-bats is not a trend. You could do the same for every player so just go ahead and say its a team trend.
So far, Melancon hasn’t shown the ability to throw consistent strikes. Could be the transition to the majors is tougher than they thought with him or its a problem. No way of knowing either way.
Even if they get Downs, there will be innings for Melancon in next year’s bullpen if he pitches well.
I don’t think they are going to give him the 8th inning role unless he shows a lot more than he has shown so far.
Given a pennant race and the limited role he has already, I have a feeling they will look to go the “known” rather than the “unknown” route to fill that slot in 2010.
Phil
July 25th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Or if they give Melancon a chance to win the job. Hughes will be back in the rotation next year regardless of what happens at the non-waiver and waiver deadlines.
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RIght now, he just needs to get a chance to pitch. This guy needs more than a cameo to entrench himself; he pitches to contact, yet gets swinging strikes on his CB, FB and change. Yet he’s a great long option because he throws a good deal of 2-out pitches.
He isn’t going to just blow the ball by people, and the more he pitches, the more it will become apparent that all the so-called “hype” is warranted. But more importantly, the more he pitches, the more he can help us.
IMO…once Marte comes back Melancon will be back in Scranton.
He needs work and he is not getting it with the big club.
This is not saying he is not good or anything like that, it is just that he has not proven to get major league hitters out at this time and that happens with a lot of young/green players.
There is no question he needs to pitch.
If not in NY, then he has to go to Scranton and pitch.
Just sitting around and pitching in blowouts isn’t helping him at all.
Some thoughts on potential trade target lefty Scott Downs, after watching replay of his 10th inning loss to the Rays last night:
2 strikes on Hernandez, the catcher and walks him.
Next batter lines out.
Upton grounds slowly to short, runner out at 2nd.
4 pitch walk to lefty Crawford.
Full count to Longoria, who dumps one into short left field and scores both runners. Blows Halladays well pitched game.
Works excrutiatingly slow, constantly going to the rosin bag, then putting dirt on his hand.
Curve at 75, throws nothing greater than 88-89mph.
Look at his situational stats. Worse away from home, worse on grass, as well as with RISP. Blew game to Cleveland before this one.
Has a 3.75M contract this year and is signed thru next year.
Would he help us. Probably. But no to giving up a top-notch prospect and taking on his salary to boot!!!
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Injuries to BJ Ryan forced Scott Downs to be moved into the closer slot in Toronto…he’s not a closer. Nonetheless, he could help us in the setup role. His ERA over the last 3 years is ~ 2.20. Downs’ salary will be $4 million in 2010…thats chickenfeed. If the Yankees can get him without giving up too much than they should do so.
SJ44
July 25th, 2009 at 11:31 am
So far, Melancon hasn’t shown the ability to throw consistent strikes. Could be the transition to the majors is tougher than they thought with him or its a problem. No way of knowing either way.
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It’s an anomaly. He’s a location guy, if ever there was one. We’re in the thick of a pennant race, so those “low leverage” situations people keep talking about aren’t really presenting themselves.
Our SP to BP has also been so effective, there’s no way they are going to prioritize getting Melancon into a rhythm. But the thing is, Melancon in a rhythm is dead effective. I don’t see the 8th inning for him this season, but if we could just get that engine started, we’d have a very reliable long guy who could evolve into Mo’s setup man next year.
The pitching is just too good across baseball, so despite our offense,
“It’s a beautiful day, stop reading the internet and go outside. ”
good idea, think i’ll go mow the lawn before the game!
Don’t get either why anyone is down on Aceves. He’s a very competent pitcher who stays low in the zone and mixes pitches well. This year, he’s really pounded the zone and kept the free passes to a win.
Pete you are the man. Explosions In The Sky is a great band. Your Hand In Mine is my favorite song from them.
Let’s keep it goin today YANKEES!
Pitching too good across baseball, despite our offense, so the old-fashioned blow-out or “low leverage” opportunity is few and far between.
RDM:
Are we going to ignore the 3 late inning HRs in close games that A-Rod pounded in recent weeks?
SI_JonHeyman: yankee clubhouse count: 38 reporters, 1 player (damon)
john_halfz
July 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Don’t get either why anyone is down on Aceves. He’s a very competent pitcher who stays low in the zone and mixes pitches well. This year, he’s really pounded the zone and kept the free passes to a win.
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Apparently, if you don’t throw 99 mph, people relegate you to “mediocrity”.
Fourth starters:
LAD: Hiroki Kiroda
StL: Kyle Lohse
BOS: Brad Penny
Alfredo looks to be at least as credible an option as any of those guys.
john_halfz July 25th, 2009 at 11:44 am
RDM:
Are we going to ignore the 3 late inning HRs in close games that A-Rod pounded in recent weeks?
If he would have hit a grand slam, he would be getting hate because the score was 8-1.
Agreed on Aceves. Can’t remember if it was Eiland or someone else, but there was a quote from someone on our staff about how Aceves is the best pitcher we’ve got at reading the hitter’s bat in-game and making adjustments.
The first time I saw him at Trenton, I and my companion were struck not only by his arsenal and polish, but by his apparent intelligence on the mound.
He’s best suited to be a back of the rotation starter rather than a guy in the bullpen.
He’s bulldog enough to eat innings and smart enough to work his way through batting orders 2-3 times a game.
Those guys have more value in the back end of the rotation than the bullpen, IMO.
Lefty’s have a .536 BA vs. Gonzalez. No need to rest Damon and Matsui today just because it is a lefty. If you were going to do that, they should have done it yesterday against a nasty lefty. Oh well we will probably still win.
Don’t overthink the lineup. Geez, ya’ think some of you would chill out by now given how successful the team has been.
Day game after a night game is the best time to rest older players.
The pitching matchups don’t play into it.
ESPN is reporting that the Phillies aren’t willing to match the price for Halladay.
“Medical staff made the decisions on Wang’s re-hab, not Cashman. Stop being so dense.”
86w183rd-
it’s probably best to disagree with the opinion of other posters and stick to the argument rather say they are”being so dense”.
…especially when it’s possible your own baseball experience and knowledge could be placed in a thimble and there’d be room left over .
if you notice sj44 and cb who are probably the two best posters on the blog totally disagree with my position that cashman ruined wang and make no bones about telling me that, but they don’t make it personal .
the blog works a lot better sticking to the issue whether the other person’s opinion seems dumb or not. and yes , i have to remind myself of that as well.
… so i take it back, there’d be no room left over in that thimble
Match what price for Halladay?
Just reading some news articles on last nights games and looks like everyone likes to poke fun at Joba’s enthusiasm…
“The A’s managed just two hits in seven innings against Joba Chamberlain (6-2). After he struck out Patterson to end the fifth with men on second and third, Chamberlain celebrated as if he’d clinched a World Series victory.”
http://www.contracostatimes.co.....i_12911831
My only issue with today’s lineup is the SS.
It remains a mystery to me why we can’t upgrade the backup infielder position. Please don’t come back and tell me Pena needs ABs in the minors – that is obvious.
But it seems to me we can find another perennial MiL type who isn’t a breath-holding adventure whenever the ball is hit to him.
And I have to admit, when I read Cody Ransom’s story – the car pileup that somehow spared his life but killed several teammates – I was very moved. He also is clearly a standup, nice guy. But this is the Yankees – we need peace of mind when we give DJ or Alex the day off. We need a more competent backup INF than Cody Ransom.
“Match what price for Halladay?”
Probably, J.A. Happ, Kyle Drabek and one of two outfield prospects: Michael Taylor or Dominic Brown
Jeter
Cabrera
Teix
A-Rod
Swisher
Cano
Molina
Ransom
Gardner
Saying pitching match ups don’t play into the lineup is fairly naive, considering the lineups Girardi puts together day to day. I know they will probably win today anyway against a weak Oakland team, and I guess if you are going to rest them do it now against Oakland, and not in our tough road trip. Doesn’t really matter, and we don’t really know exactly what Girardi’s reasoning is behind who rests and when. We don’t know who is feeling good or not each day.
Mark Shapiro is going nuts over the Red Sox clinging to every propsect as if they are going to be Hall of Famers.
A couple of other GM’s have told me there is almost an irrational mindset with other GM’s when it comes to prospects.
This is the new economics of baseball.
In the last 6 months, revenues across the board have gone down. Ticket sales, sponsorships, available credit lines with teams, all have taken a hit.
Aside from the Yankees, Red Sox and Angels, most teams have really felt the pinch.
When that happens, ownership tells their GM’s, guys with 0-3 years service time in the majors are the new “gold standard”. Don’t give many of them up for anybody…even guys like Roy Halladay and Victor Martinez.
That’s why the price Toronto and/or Cleveland will get for dealing those guys won’t be as much as people think.
In the case of Halladay, JP is really up against it. He doesn’t deal him now, he gets even less in the off-season.
In Martinez’s case, Mark can just say “no”, keep him, and rebuild the team around Victor and Cliff Lee.
Either way, the new economics in the game is making bigger deals much more complicated to pull off.
Its not naive at all. The schedule dictates certain days off.
You have a day game after a night game, as well as an older team, its pretty easy to figure out who will get days off.
Tomorrow, they will probably give Arod a day or DH him, despite a lefty being on the mound.
They want to have a rested and ready team heading to Tampa. To do so, the schedule, and not the pitching matchups, take priority.
My only issue with today’s lineup is the SS.
It remains a mystery to me why we can’t upgrade the backup infielder position. Please don’t come back and tell me Pena needs ABs in the minors – that is obvious.
But it seems to me we can find another perennial MiL type who isn’t a breath-holding adventure whenever the ball is hit to him.
And I have to admit, when I read Cody Ransom’s story – the car pileup that somehow spared his life but killed several teammates – I was very moved. He also is clearly a standup, nice guy. But this is the Yankees – we need peace of mind when we give DJ or Alex the day off. We need a more competent backup INF than Cody Ransom.
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We will upgrade the utility infielder position on September 1st when the roster is expanded to 40…Ramiro Pena will come up and he’s gonna bring Cervelli with him. We simply need to be patient until September 1st.
Ok I guess your right, we need to rest everyone up for the road trip. I just want to keep the winning streak alive (especially when Boston is playing the Orioles).
“This is the new economics of baseball.”
Deduction for 2 new stadiums in NY = less money being paid into revenue sharing.
Teams are making less money on their own and for this year will receive less from the revenue pool. Cheap options are more important than ever and to more teams than ever most likely.
That’s a really good point Pat. I hadn’t thought of that but the Yanks had certainly subsidized many teams. I think the way it works now with the new stadium, they will not be paying out so much. Is that how it works?
Don’t be fooled into beleiving MLB EI is the answer to everything. EI is also subject to the blackout imposed by FOX exclusive Saturday afternoon.
I usually am forced to check Gameday or occasionally find Sterling on WCBS or an affiliate. Yankee Saturday day games are NOT available unless they happen to be on FOX.
I probably am in the minority, but I do not think Cash “needs” to make any trades for this team to be a very dangerous post-season opponent.
I haven’t felt that way in many years.
Great point Pat. It all adds up for the other teams in the game. That’s why you see teams treating prospects, many of whom will never achieve star status, like gold.
They are all finding ways to cut corners and try to stay competitive. With varying results of success.
As far as the winning streak is concerned, its about winnings series. They aren’t going to win every game. Sometimes, you sacrifice one game in order to be fresh for a bigger series coming up.
Baseball is a long term thinking sport. If you don’t think long term, you won’t have a team fresh for the stretch run.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4355464
Oops, I forgot to type the headline.
Sources: Jays want too much, Phils say:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4355464
At any rate, it appears that JP Ricciardi wants too much for Halladay. Maybe Doc stays in Toronto.
The one day that there IS a legit lineup complaint (Gardner, Ransom, Molina in the same lineup), Jake is nowhere to be found LOL
“a bacon sandwich
July 25th, 2009 at 10:57 am
no one cares what you listen to pete, just report the yankees pease”
a brand new user-name. Interesting.
people like yourself, should have to pay for a subscription. Ungrateful
Scott Downs would be a nice pick up – then they can stretch Hughes back into the rotation
If they are asking for Drebek, Happ, and Brown, what would be our equal? Hughes, McAllister, Jackson?
More Camp Sundown video from HOPE Week:
http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....p_sun.html
Awesome…just awesome.
YES Analyst Report with Michael Kay and Al Leiter:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/63145146c633e2d3/
sunny615 July 25th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Scott Downs would be a nice pick up – then they can stretch Hughes back into the rotation
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I’m with you, I’d love to see them stretch Hughes back out and move him back to the rotation.
The problem with that is it’s never going to happen. He’s in the pen for the rest of the season no matter what happens.
Good morning, everyone!
It was oh so nice of the Blue Jays to accomodate the Yankees scouts by making sure that Scott Downs would get into the game yesterday.
And Philly is balking.
Tea leaves don’t look any different this morning. All signs point to NYS.
Hoping Andy can keep them off-balance. Looks like he’s got some good defense behind him. Keep passing the baton to the next starter.
Also, thanks for all the impressions of Joba’s outing overnight. The mechanical tweak, restful respite, renewed attitude, and Damon’s text message all seem to have done the trick.
Speaking of tempo. Pierzynski credited Buerhle’s success, and especially during the perfecto, to his pace. He works very quickly, and the players behind him love it. Another thing he does well is keep the hitters off balance.
I understand Girardi’s policy about giving his players days off every once in a while, but….he gave Matsui days off when his bat got hot, and gave another day off after he hit a walk-off HR. He’s almost like waiting, wishing, and hoping his bat to get cold.
“Tomorrow, they will probably give Arod a day or DH him, despite a lefty being on the mound.”
The operative word being “probably”. They are falling back into the same trap that blew up in their faces in the first half. You can’t go against Phillipon’s orders and then wonder why Alex struggles. You have to rest him on a regular basis.
Tarheelyank
July 25th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
I probably am in the minority, but I do not think Cash “needs” to make any trades for this team to be a very dangerous post-season opponent.
I haven’t felt that way in many years.
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I am also within that minority. COF is a concern, though, especially when Melky isn’t in the lineup. It concerns me more for postseason than the RS.
“I understand Girardi’s policy about giving his players days off every once in a while, but….he gave Matsui days off when his bat got hot, and gave another day off after he hit a walk-off HR. He’s almost like waiting, wishing, and hoping his bat to get cold.”
If you look closely at how Matsui runs, it’s easy to see why he needs days off, regardless of how hot his bat is. Those knees look like they could go out at any minute.
“UPDATE, 11:48 a.m.: I’m sure there is the usual irrational panic about the lineup.”
Pete, are you calling Yankee fans irrational? Why, I resemble that remark.
Today would have been the perfect day to rest A-Rod… Gio Gonzalez has a 9 ERA
Dallas Braden, tomorrow’s starter, is one of the best pitchers in the league this year– has a 3.40 ERA. Plus we have Mitre on the mound.
Have a feeling that Molina will play 2 games vs. Tampa. Last 2 series we played them, he did to control their running game.
YES Clubhouse Report with Bob Lorenz and Kim Jones:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6314547867df74a1/
I think Yanks should forfeit this game to give everyone a rest.
I wouldn’t be so sure about the financial footing of the Red Sox.
The NY Times is going to sell their stake (a bit under 20%) in the team.
Sevrx
July 25th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Today would have been the perfect day to rest A-Rod… Gio Gonzalez has a 9 ERA
Dallas Braden, tomorrow’s starter, is one of the best pitchers in the league this year– has a 3.40 ERA. Plus we have Mitre on the mound.
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I think that is probably why everyone else is getting the day off/half day off today
Burnett playing the guitar…cool
AJ was one of the players who stayed until 4 a.m., and he apparently was going full throttle with the kids, running around and playing with them, until the last minute.
Some radio jock was talking about it on ESPN as I drove home from the Bronx. AJ is easy to root for.
The Red Sox financial footing is just fine. The Times is selling their stake to a buyer that will pay top dollar for the investment.
Buyers don’t do that unless the investment they are purchasing is top grade. Which is the Red Sox is at the present time.
They are a very profitable franchise.
Damn you, Pete.
I just finished watching the Today Show recap of Hope Week, and I am just so emotional right now.
The XP kids on the bus got the waterworks going right away.
Once again, awesome job by Jason Zillo, the Yankees, and the players. Who needs espn to spread the word? Can’t do much better than the Today Show.
(cynical NB here, look forward to Oprah, the White Sox, and POTUS to collaborate for Hope Week next season
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From MLB.com They didn’t have any Yankee rumors, though:
Red Sox: A’s shortstop Orlando Cabrera could land in Boston for a second go-round according to a report on FOXSports.com. Cabrera, who helped lead the Red Sox to the 2004 World Series, is also reportedly being looked at by the Twins.
Angels: The club is reportedly interested in Rays left-hander Scott Kazmir based on the advice of pitching coach Mike Butcher, who also held the same position with the Rays, according to FOXSports.com.
Many of the players also got out of routine with earlier days and later nights in addition to playing games because of HOPE Week.
Giving some of them a break before the road trip is a good thing.
Lara & Murphydog,
Thank you! I can’t wait to watch a game again! I haven’t since July 4th… with the exception of going to the game last week with Matsui’s walkoff and watching Hughes pitch the last 2 innings of the rain-delayed game a couple nights ago…
Lots of beer, baseball, and naps soon!!!
Thanks again… Go Yankees!
If the Blue Jays dump the contracts of Rios (12 million in 2010), Downs (4 million in 2010) and Rolen (11 million in 2010), isn’t that enough money for them to lock up Halladay, especially since Overbay (7 million in 2010) and BJ Ryan (10 million) will come off the books?
“David Price goes for the Rays, who trail the Red Sox by 4 games in the wild card race”
Caption on the front page of mlb.com
Just goes to show how quickly things can change in just a week or two.
That’s 44 million dollars coming off the books for the Jays. They could possibly keep Halladay if they dump Rios, Rolen and Downs. They can reload with prospects if they trade those guys along with smaller contracts like Scutaro who is a classic sell-high case right now.
Bret,
The whole reason why Doc even went on the market was because he wasn’t going to extend in the first place.
He wants to win, and he’s realized that he can’t do it with the Blue Jays in the near future.
If you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.
Rachel Nichols and an ESPN camera crew was at the little league HOPE Week event with Andy, Alex and Joba to do a story for the ESPN show E:60 to be aired in August.
Didn’t say if were filming just that day or the whole week though.
Halladay has already said he’s testing free agency after next year. That’s why they are looking to trade him.
He’s not re-signing with the Jays because he wants to go to a team closer to winning.
Selig isn’t saying so but he’s deeply concerned about the lagging attendance figures seen around much of baseball.
This would also translate into lower concession sales and other revenue streams. Many empty seats are seen at venues of teams on the brink of being out of races.
It’s now the time of year when many fans with tight budgets need to decide where their already stretched sports dollar will go, baseball or football.
Even the Yankees will see the 20% of road gate receipts take a dip from previous years.
While Halladay doesn’t have a lot of desire to leave the Blue Jays, at least according to what he has said, it is also getting to a point in his career that he wants to be part of the post season.
Being a champion means a lot.
“isn’t that enough money for them to lock up Halladay, especially since Overbay (7 million in 2010) and BJ Ryan (10 million) will come off the books?”
It may be enough money, but if Halladay is determined to test FA, it won’t matter. Further, the fact that word has been the last few days that he wants to test the FA waters, and the Jays won’t let teams talk extension with him before a trade; makes any trade for Halladay all the more risky and the player price of the trade is not coming down.
Regarding Halladay. That makes sense. Basically, he is saying that he wants out and now the Blue Jays are in fire sale mode. I still think the Jays will engage the Sox and Yanks in a bidding war but in the event that he goes to the NL for an inferior package of talent, I’d like the Yankees to swoop in their and take the Rios + Downs contracts for lesser prospects as well.
When you go on rival boards and realize how much everyone hates us, it makes you less than sympathetic.
But even so, I feel for Jays fans. The imminent loss of Halladay must be very depressing. Twins fans can probably relate.
With the trade talk around Orlando Cabrera, it will be interesting to see if he is in the lineup today and/or tomorrow. That A’s locker room has to be a real depressing place right now.
SWOOP Cashman… SWOOP!
The rest of MLB kicked us when we were down. I have no sympathy whatsoever.
How about a trade for someone like Harang?
SWOOP THERE IT IS
SWOOP THERE IT IS
anyone know where i can find a link to watch/listen to the game online? I’m out in the yard with my laptop….
I ain’t giving up Jesus, Hughes, or Joba for Doc.
If the Jays want, they can have McAllister, Jackson, Melancon, and Betances.
Can’t have Jackson. I am firm, as King Lear would say.
Where are the Jays going to get the package they want?
Theo isin’t giving up Buchholz
We’re not giving up Hughes/Joba
Philly doesn’t want to give up Drebak
Dodgers don’t want to give up Kershaw
The only team who could budge from this is the Phillies. But they won’t give up Drebek AND Happ.
JP has to re-adjust his expectations. Young players have more value than they have ever had.
Supposedly the Mariners are now open to trading Washburn or Bedard. I prefer Bedard.
pat,
Thanks for that. ESPN needs some good stories right about now. They got thoroughly thrashed on their handle of the Big Ben story, and Erin Andrews is holed up in her home in Georgia.
Lets go Yankees!!!
You hold onto ELITE talents like Montero, Joba, Hughes.
Everyone else should be fair game. Again, if you want to be a prospect hugger, then you can never acquire anyone useful except the Eric Hinske’s of the world.
PeteAbe Yankees watching old school American Gladiators in the clubhouse. Trouble for Oakland.
about 3 hours ago from TwitterFon
“JP has to re-adjust his expectations. Young players have more value than they have ever had.”
On the other hand, St Louis just gave up a 3rd baseman who was maybe the eqivalent of somewhere between Ajax and Montero. And they did it to get Holliday, who is nowhere near as valuable as Halladay, and a FA at the end of this year. The difficulty of getting even close to equal value is what makes me think that Doc is going nowhere until at least the offseason.
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Rachel may have been scheduled to tape the whole week but Favre may have breathed in Mississippi and she was on a plane before she knew what hit her.
My wish list this trade deadline is:
Halladay
or
Bedard
Rios
Downs
Mike RI
July 25th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Sorry but Aceves isn’t the answer.. no way.
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it is so funny to read crap like this and know that Aceves made 3 quality starts last year (including a 7 inning blanking of the hated Angels) and is a better pitcher than virtually anyone available from an also ran team. If the Yankees picked up Aceves in a trade and said they were putting him in the rotation everyone would look at his numbers and say he was the answer. Instead, the ‘fans’ who are afraid every time the Yankees fall behind can’t see how he is a perfect addition to the rotation because he knows how to pitch, throws strikes, has been a starter most of his minor league career, and would most likely have an ERA between 3.50-4.00 has a starter, good enough to win at a high percentage. As he’s already on the team and a known quantity.
MG,
But Aceves is not an ACE!
GRRR @ this ump.
andy looks sharp…these starters are feeding off each other!
anyone got a link to the game?
I would rather hug a prospect than a non-prospect.
Erin Andrews? Holed up?
Too sleepy to process that.
I’d go with McAllister, A-Jax or Gardner, Melancon, and Eduardo Nunez for Rios, Downs, and Scutaro. Throw in Cody Ransom for good measure.
The Jays would love the salary relief with cost controlled players for years.
As long as he calls the pitches the same way for both teams, Andy should be able to handle it better than the A’s kid.
Andy has good velocity so far today, 4 seamer is at 90-91 on Gameday and the zip is definitely evident on TV. Encouraging sign.
Any of those live feeds working today? Us usual, my Extra Innings package is blacked out.
Sevrx
July 25th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
You hold onto ELITE talents like Montero, Joba, Hughes.
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My that ELITE talent is certainly a fluid concept. As I recall, there were perhaps FOUR of us on here saying Joba is an elite arm you don’t give up on, but the drowning chorus couldn’t shove him out the door fast enough.
Hughes, last year’s “bust”, is this year’s ELITE talent. Montero, whom nobody knew/knows jack about, was a “no=brainer for Halladay” until the blogger reported he hit a GS against Portland.
Ah, Nick.
I realized after I posted, that it was an unfortunate choice of words there.
She is, understandably, quite devastated. That it’s probably a member of her own production crew makes the stalking even worse imo.
http://www.p2p4u.net/watch-liv.....038;link=1 link for game
Why Scutaro? utility guy?
lefties are batting .500 off of him so we rest Damon and Matsui?
Saturday afternoon with John Sterling –
Andy’s pitch to Hairston – he strikes him out swinging.
(dead silence – 5 seconds)
My mistake, that won’t happen again. I looked at the wrong scoreboard. The count is 2-2.
And the 3-2 pitch. Strike three. Andy strikes him out for the second time. (chuckle chuckle)
Listening to the Yankees on the radio should come with a warning like a pack of Marlboro.
You can’t take all of Toronto’s players, we don’t want to gut our team.
But we do need a starter and a good corner OF.
nice ab gardy
It’s funny that people who don’t follow the minor leagues feel comfortable discussing trades involving minor leaguers.
DT,
That’s not Sterling’s fault. There was a big roar on strike 2 because the scoreboard said it was 2-2.
run, Brett, run
Andy looked pretty good that inning. I wonder how he’d look in the bullpen?
Let’s ask Mike Francesa what he thinks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrZSM–5T4o
I think Girardi should hold a seance with the LoHud Yankees blog before filling out the lineup card each game, maybe he would get it right at least once…
Oh, the Yankees record is 58-37 with an 8 game winning streak.
To quote the great, late Emily Litella, ‘Never Mind’
Gardner looking like a fullback taking out a blitzing linebacker.
GG breaks up the DP
Thx Azaz, but that link is not working for me.
Bronx Jeers,
I guess chop blocks aren’t illegal in baseball.
Let’s go, Andy!
Back to work Andy
oh my god, the Yankees can’t hit another young pitcher, they will lose today for sure.
link is working now
Check that: now link working but constantly rebuffing.
lol @ Cust.
DT – OPPC member (blood type – Positive) July 25th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Saturday afternoon with John Sterling –
Andy’s pitch to Hairston – he strikes him out swinging.
(dead silence – 5 seconds)
My mistake, that won’t happen again. I looked at the wrong scoreboard. The count is 2-2.
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Sterling sucks, but same thing happened on the OAK feed.
New York Yankees Fan Club commercial.
Is this separate from the “universe” stuff?
dat wuz niiice.
Quick look at the OOT scoreboard. Toronto up 2-0 on David Price, top of the 2nd.
Andy looks really good. He’s throwing strikes and hitting Molina’s target on just about every pitch.
Wow a 10 pitch inning from Andy!
rogerk99
July 25th, 2009 at 10:10 am
The Moneyball movie has been scrapped.
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Actually, it’s back on.
Pettitte is hitting the target because he doesn’t like pitching to Posada.
nah, Andy is finished and washed up, just take a poll on the blog…
“New York Yankees Fan Club commercial.
Is this separate from the “universe” stuff?”
Yes.
Our bench today is more expensive than the Marlins and Padres.
The bench that our bench is sitting on is more expensive than the Marlins and the Padres.
Posada can’t catch any of the pitchers, they all hate his guts. I heard Mo told Girardi that he would have had 800 saves by now if Posada wasn’t behind the plate.
Is Gene M. losing some of his gut? He’s looking good!
the poll question:
4. Diving Catch vs BOS (2004) ftw
Price having a rough game
Toronto having their way with Price 3-0 and it’s only the bottom of the 2nd.
Tampa will just have to live with his ups and downs as he learns in the majors like Joba.
There’s no link for a radio feed?
if Price was a prized Yankees prospect he’d already be a bust in the eyes of most…
Ransom looks more comfortable playing SS, than 3B.
“BJK
July 25th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
rogerk99
July 25th, 2009 at 10:10 am
The Moneyball movie has been scrapped.
Actually, it’s back on”
it should be scrapped. If Moneyball worked for Billy Beane Hudson/Mulder/Zito (they were a beast in Oak) would have made at least 1 world series appearance. From then they have been less then mediocre. And now they are in last place.
are the A’s really this bad?…jk gj andy!
Ransom getting a lot of action today
I’m noticing that Andy is throwing the cutter effectively once again today. That is really the key to his pitching well and was missing for awhile. I think his back issue kept him from pulling on that pitch and he got away from it and it had a lot to do with his ineffectiveness in June and early July. He’s been throwing 88-90 all year, still good enough to get out major league hitter consistently if he can keep them guessing with the possibility of the cutter.
another 10 pitch inning,Andy’s worked out his foibles with the new stadium for sure!!
ooh. 4-0.
Ralphie, Andy’s been that good!
Anyone who is complaining about Joba’s struggles should really get some perspective.
David Price today- 2 IP 6 H 4 ER
ERA so far this year- 5.37
I guess he should go back to the bullpen too? He’s only topping out at 91-93 this year after throwing 97-98 in the pen last year.
Its just about impossible to learn how to be a successful starting pitcher AND compete in a pennant race, at the major league level.
Perhaps you can do it with one guy in your rotation. Two? No chance.
Niemann has pitched well for the Rays. Price? Not so much.
Add to it Kazmir’s problems and you can see why they are in on Cliff Lee.
Everybody loves young players and prospects. Until of course, they get in the way of making the playoffs.
When Tampa was just the “little engine that could”, everyone went ga ga over all their young talent.
Now that they are in third place and are looking to make the playoffs again, its not so cute. Their management is trying very aggressively to upgrade the team because they know their pitching may not be enough to overtake NY and/or Boston.
The A’s must have 4 pm Circle Line tickets. They are swinging like they are in a big hurry.
4 pitch inning?
lot of gooseggs in the box score.
it might be kind of funny if they slipped this choice in there for Derek Jeter’s signature play:
5. GIDP vs BAL (2008)
uh – 4 pitch inning? yuck
man this is a fasst game…
Don’t mind me, I’m apparently just casually watching a Cy Pettitte Vs. Gio Clemens duel.
carl,
It wasn’t really an inning. They just let Gio warm up during Andy’s inning because Andy’s last one was too short.
“carl
July 25th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
4 pitch inning?”
not a good job by Jeter there. 2 outs on three pitches and he swings at the first pitch.
A 4 pitch inning for the A’s geeesh!
this is the speed at which major league games used to be played, it was unusual to see Whitey Ford pitch a game that went more than 2:15
there goes the perfect game. nuts.
I remember when there used to be intelligent discourse in the comment section. Alas…. those were the good ol’ days
Anyone else having any luck with the game link provided earlier?
Andy is pounding the strike zone with fastballs today, he must have confidence in his stuff because there is no nibbling.
Yanks are laying in weeds. Soon they pounce on Gio. Like a Tiger.
Is that a haiku?
I’ve been waiting for the Cy Gonzalez reference.
It’s always inevitable if the Yanks don’t score 10 runs in the first four innings on a guy who has previously struggled.
Funny, the YES booth talking about all the good young pitching that Oakland let go.
Larry Beal from the Bay Area was on the radio last night. And he rattled off all the names, and mentioned that none of them are doing particularly well.
He also said that Zito’s SF contract could be the all time worst in mlb history. lol.
http://www.p2p4u.net/watch-liv.....038;link=1 its working no lag
m
July 25th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
DT,
That’s not Sterling’s fault. There was a big roar on strike 2 because the scoreboard said it was 2-2.
m – I’ll take the blame. I should have waited for the PC Richards whistle.
Its a shame what has happened to Nomar in his career.
You gotta feel for the guy.
Andy
12 pitches NOT bad either.
lol. Garciaparra whiffing on Andy’s “heater”. Looked like an old-timer’s game there. The only one missing was Jorge behind the plate.
It’s so nice to see the core still playing together. And playing well, too.
2 strikeouts that inning and only 2 cutters, the rest were fastballs. This means he can switch off the 3rd time through the order effetively.
ANYWHERE TO WATCH IT??? atdhe.net isnt showing it
Yanks lie in the weeds
They will pounce
Just like a tiger
Is that a haiku?
the Yankees rotation has an ERA under 2.50 since the ASB, Joba and Andy are pitching great, I just don’t see the need to pick up another starter and if Downs gets to NY it gives them far and away the strongest ‘pen in baseball. This could be a really special year.
Feel for Andy today, piching good w/our B line up in there….might get a tough loss
Nomar…..”The needle and the damage done” Neil Young
well offense is looking dead good thing A’s offense is looking just as bad
I’d say they adjust to Gio soon, he’s not gonna keep locating that fastball.
man – toronto going to town out there
RDM, the Yankees lineup against Gonzalez, a rookie, is still stronger than the A’s lineup against Andy, a veteran pitching a shutout. Why would you think this could be a loss? Look at the bench strength they have for this game, you can be sure that they are all available late today.
maybe get a hit soon?
Alrighty then.
6 runs over 2.2 IP for Price.
Let’s go Andy. You’re going great.
MG, have we even sniffed a hit yet today…you have Molina, Ransom, and Gardner. And as I type, A Rod whiffs again. WoW
Sorry Brett. No Haiku for you.
Haikus have
5 syllables
7 syllables
5 syllables
This game is looking like the Jays vs. Rays game yesterday, with both starters going 9 innings.
he’s got a good curveball but soon that fastball is going to hang.
Everyone out in front of Gonzalez’s off speed stuff.
Bret the Hitman
July 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
how about this:
Yanks lie in the weeds
They will pounce like a tiger
They will maul the As
5 syllables
7 syllables
5 syllables
What the hell 9 ERA guys are not suppose to be pitchers that have good stuff that are strike throwing machines
This guy has like a 9 ERA…are you kidding
Bret the Hitman July 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Yanks lie in the weeds
They will pounce
Just like a tiger
Is that a haiku?
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No
5 syllables
7 syllables
5 syllables
David Price cant cut it as a starter. SEND HIM TO THE BULLPEN!!
RDM, it’s just a matter of time, remember how effective Mazzaro was on Thursday with 6 K’s in 3 innings? Rookies can lose it suddenly, he’s earned his 8.00+ ERA.
Meanwhile, how many runs do you think the A’s will score against Andy?
Ok, little rusty on my Haiku poetry. lol
lol. Molina giving Andy a breather.
Are the baseball gods punishing Andy for all the wins he got early in the season when he didn’t really pitch well?
He has been magnificent in his last two starts and gotten a total of 1 run of support.
Andy nice play but dont break a hip
PFP!!!
If Andy makes another webgem I might just walk out.
cat like?
Mo like it!
Who is that dude wearing Pettitte’s uniform?
These A’s deserve to DIE!
But Andy’s making them look silly.
Pete has not posted the A’s line-up.
And by the way Pete. Pettitte is one hit away from perfection.
Not perfect is not perfect.
Andy’s really looked like an entirely refreshed pitcher his past two starts.
Andy’s average cut fastball velocity this season has been 84.
Today – 87.
He’s also throwing his 4 seamer a little harder than he has.
But it’s been the cutter that has really been the difference.
First Yankees hit today will come from the bat of (?) Any guesses?
Big boppers next inning. Swisher, Cano, and Cabrera…
Both the A’s hits have come off good pitches taken the other way. Yankees need to do the same.
Make that two hits now.
He’s getting further and further away from perfection…
First hit Melky Cabrera
off the bat of GGBG…
CB, exactly right, I said it earlier in this thread and the cutter was MIA for at least a month until his last start and today.
That’s why folks trying to predict results in games based on the pitching matchups is fools gold.
David Price is getting hammered by a Toronto team that has been slumping for weeks and Gio Gonzalez, fresh off giving up 11 runs in his last start, is pitching a perfect game.
Its a crazy, crazy game.
Make that a no-no.
He did walk Gardner.
CB, The break was exactly what Andy needed…His back must feeling better….
I predict first hit from Cano. He’s a hit machine.
Well it shouldn’t be hard to predict that a guy w/a 9 ERA a team going intot he 5th hasn’t got a hit, is bad.
Good job so far by Andy keeping us in the game…..
SJ,
You give Gio too much credit. No really, just a no-hitter.
We need to do something about that.
Change my mind. Forgot that GGBG is near the top of the order, will go with Cano.
Ransom gets first hit in the 6th.
Pinstriped tigers stalk
the exposed necks of Oakland
Like Siegfried, or Roy?
Andy hasn’t had the cutter all year.
Molina said in their final bullpen session before the ASB, he pushed Andy to throw the cutter more, even though it had little bite.
When they came back from the break, he told Andy that he was going to force him to throw more cutters early in the game to establish the pitch. Even if the cutter wasn’t working, he didn’t want hitters leaning out over the plate covering the outer half.
That’s what was happening in Andy’s starts before the break. Especially the start in Anaheim.
Andy can’t pitch like Tom Glavine and just stay away, away, away.
By making the adjustment, Andy is now using both halves of the plate again and his confidence is beginning to grow.
Andy has always been an emotional guy on the mound. When he feels right, he feels invincible. Molina is working hard to get him back to that mindset.
Since Gonzalez has a .536 BAA lefties, maybe some of the switch hitters should try batting lefty.
I understand the need to give days off to our vets, but we really do need each game. The Red Sox are currently playing the terrible Baltimore Orioles and then the Oakland A’s. The Yankees, however, have to go play Tampa and the Chicago White Sox. This 2.5 game lead can even out real quick. We must beat up on these terrible teams fully.
>Andy’s really looked like an entirely refreshed pitcher his past two starts.
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>Andy’s average cut fastball velocity this season has been 84.
Today – 87.
>
>He’s also throwing his 4 seamer a little harder than he has.
>
>But it’s been the cutter that has really been the difference.
He clearly spent a little time with HuGHes during the break, if you know what I mean.
Umm, can we get a hit orrrrr…
“The break was exactly what Andy needed…His back must feeling better….”
I was thinking the same. He was throwing the ball well to start the season.
And when he hurt his back his stuff really took a dive.
Hopefully that’s it. Hard to throw with a bad back.
But right now he’s able to bury that cutter in on the hands of right handed batters.
And that was a pitch he was unwilling to throw for much of the year. Seemed like he would not go in on hitters at all.
Melky do I win something?
there’s ya hit, now stop whining RDM
Melky it is.
Wow.
That’s soo F’d up.
Melky and your dangerous bunting wiles!
I love it.
Nicest bunt I’ve seen!
melky!! and he hurt the pitcher…
Gio Gonzalez is from Miami. I’ve been watching him pitch since HS.
He was once the Phillies and White Sox top pitching prospect.
He’s bounced around, mainly because of two high profile trades, and a reputation for being difficult.
The talent has always been there. That’s why teams have traded good players for him over the years.
Nice way to break up the no-hitter.
BEAUTIFUL BUNT
THe Melkman Delivers the Melk to the Porch of the House and Then gets into his Melk Truck and Delivers the Melk Again!!!!
if you had Melky in the pool, YOU WIN
Mark, not whining, trying to win a game here w/the B line up…
The Milkman delivers. Gonzalez can’t handle the Leche!
Uh oh, bunting during a no-hitter = TABOO!!!!
Another part of baseball you can’t predict. Who would have thought the Yankees would break up the no-hitter with a drag bunt? Do the Yankees even have a bunt hit like that all year?
I should’ve never bet against the Melkman. Tis foolhardy.
What’s going on? Did the pitcher injure himself? I retract my earlier comment.
Quick, turn on ESPN to see if Gammons is on condemning the Yankees for breaking up a no-no with a bunt single.
Will be interesting to see who called the bunt.
injury delay?
that’s what you do, 3B was playing back you lay one down…doesn’t matter Cofy pops up…WHY IS HE HERE?
If I am Gonzalez, I am a bit pissed off at Melky.
Nope, pitcher fine. Gets might Cody to fly out.
You aren’t trying more than the “B line up”
Pitiful….well, guess can’t win them all….good day for rest
Somebody tell Jeter to watch his HANDS
I have a feeling that kid is going to be pissed and hit somebody.
Poll:
Who is a worst hitter?
A. Kevin Cash
B. Cody Randsom
Stop with the “We need every game” nonsense.
You don’t burn out your team prior to a big roadtrip.
Look at the schedule. No off days for awhile and you have Tampa and Chicago, two teams better than Oakland, coming up.
Would you rather sit guys out against the A’s or against the Rays or White Sox?
Girardi is not going to run guys into the ground by treating every game as if its Game 7.
He must be doing something right. They are the second best team in baseball right now.
Ransom never fails to make the best of his fortunate opportunity.
He’s not alone this game, though. But damn.
This lefty matchup is good.
Why did Melky change his number to #53?
RDM July 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Pitiful….well, guess can’t win them all….good day for rest
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Have you learned anything at all watching this team all season?
I guess not.
“Why did Melky change his number to #53?”
To honor Bobby Abreu.
It’s the 5th inning it’s ok to bunt.
Seeeing him twist his ankle fielding that bunt brings back bad memories. Why Joe why.
“He must be doing something right. They are the second best team in baseball right now.”
Technically, they are the best team in baseball. LAD plays in the extremely weak NL West so that discounts some of their wins.
it’s not the bottom of the 9th down by a lot – totally fine to bunt for a base hit
The Yankees record without Arod is also related to the Yankees record with Ransom, no? Not to take away from Arod but Ransom is an automatic out.
CB, Watch Pettite’s shoulder drive as he follows thru, he wasn’t doing that in Anaheim……And you & SJ are right, he’s just burying the cutter to the righthanded hitters….Looks good….
Toronto scores 2 runs an inning for the last 4 innings…i’d bet Halladay wishes he had that run support yesterday
Ranson < Berroa
this is the best ive seen andy in a long long time
Get this man runs, damn it!
Technically, they are the best team in baseball. LAD plays in the extremely weak NL West so that discounts some of their wins.
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“Technically” would point to L.A. being the best team in baseball.
Was Molina tagging out OC or consoling him?
Let’s go, bats!
Ransom < Berroa
I don’t want Andy throwing to Posada again.
The A’s bunted on Andy in the top of the 5th, maybe that’s where Melky got the idea.
ok, enough Yankee rope a dope – the bats will break out this inning.
Girardi was asked this question in reference to another game on the Fan, no?
He said that if a team’s still in the game, and trying to win, then it’s fine.
some Molina magic? he manages to get hits at the most random times…
give poor andy some run support!
I’ll tell you what. It’s frustrating to watch Gio dominate, but watching Andy today is a thing of beauty. This a veteran with excellent stuff and command carving up a lineup.
Ransom reminds me of Andy Phillips.
You DFA him, send him down, kick him to the curb over and over yet he finds his way back onto the field at Yankees stadium.
He keeps coming back.
““Technically” would point to L.A. being the best team in baseball.”
Oh, SM – let’s not argue over semantics. I think that NYY has the best team because our competition is much tougher.
so when do you break out the rest of varsity to pinch hit and actually get some runs on the board? Or is “day off” a full day off
“He keeps coming back.”
Difference is that Phillips was once a fringe prospect in this organization ripping up AAA pitching. Ransom was a utilty prospect out of the Giants system. Girardi has even less reason to believe in him.
Why would Molina argue
3-2 and NASTY!!
Lol at Leiter and O’Neill arguing balls and strikes.
Can someone hit a homerun already??
A pitch nowhere close for strike 3. Perhaps its the HP umpire who has early dinner reservations tonight.
Horrid
MG,
You’re right on the mark with Andy and his cutter. That’s been the big difference.
Without that pitch he was really predictable against right handed hitters, in particular. Like SJ said before everything was about painting the outside black. And he was getting killed otu there.
Good to see Andy being able to get back to bread and butter.
And one other thing – it’s very good to see him do this at Yankee Stadium. The stadium playing small has clearly been spooking Andy so for him to pitch this aggressively at the Stadium is a very good thing.
I know a lot of people don’t like Al Leiter in the booth but I love the guy. Always entertaining.
Any combination of Singleton with Leiter, Cone, and O’neill is the best broadcast trio for YES.
Never liked Michael Kay at all.
Guy averages 5 walks per 9, and over a hit an inning, has an ERA over 9 coming in…and we have one hit in 5.1 innings.
This team confounds me. I still say we win this game, but geez. We shouldn’t have to get to the bullpen against a guy with those numbers.
Come on guys…gees…this isn’t the Red Sox we are playing….
Time for a hit and run
Agree w/you Donnie
Leiter’s the best analyst on the team, bar none. I still remember his explanation of Aaron Small’s changeup in a game in Boston. Best stuff I’ve ever heard on the physics of throwing pitches.
Guys with high ERAs always find themselves when they play the Yankees. I think they get themselves pumped up for it and dig down deep for something extra.
Oh, SM – let’s not argue over semantics. I think that NYY has the best team because our competition is much tougher.
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So, you are saying one could make an argument that the Yankees are the best team in baseball.
Not “technically speaking and according the their records, the Yanks have the best record in baseball.”
Got it.
NICE!!!!!!!
CB July 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
MG,
You’re right on the mark with Andy and his cutter. That’s been the big difference.
Without that pitch he was really predictable against right handed hitters, in particular. Like SJ said before everything was about painting the outside black. And he was getting killed otu there.
Good to see Andy being able to get back to bread and butter.
And one other thing – it’s very good to see him do this at Yankee Stadium. The stadium playing small has clearly been spooking Andy so for him to pitch this aggressively at the Stadium is a very good thing.
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Just as important as anything else is that Pettitte isn’t walking anybody.
Solo home runs won’t kill you. It’s the 3-run home runs that kill you.
I also enjoying listening to Leiter – such a local guy…he just needs to stop talking a mile a minute!!
GARDY!!!! YEA
GARDNER!!! Thank god!!
BG!
GARDENHOSER !
BOOM
Now STOP whining RDM
GGBG
OH MY EFFING GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JETES AND GARDNER COMBINED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See? GGBG got the first real hit.
The minute the ball left Gardner’s bat you knew it was a triple.
You look at numbers way too much.
In any game anybody, even those who are struggling, can put together a good game.
That’s what makes baseball so great. It doesn’t matter what someone did before, or how a team fared against another team in a series, every game is a new day.
You will have guys who are great pitchers/hitters struggle in a game and unheralded guys look great.
Its why taking a daily temperature of a daily is a wasted exercise. Too many crazy things happen on a day to day basis.
Thank you, Brett Gardner.
Guy shuts down Alex, Tex, Jeter, and Cano…and gets beat down by BRETT GARDNER.
It’s 100%…You really CAN’T figure baseball.
GRITTY GUTTY.
another run, please!!!!
Nice.
Please no A Rod up w/RISP….nice hitting Brett….
the name is Brett Gardner
3rd round selection, College of Charleston
Brett Gardner
thank you
what has to happen for gardner to NOT get a triple on a ball in the gap?..angels bring the ball to the outfielder?
Nice job BG.
G A R D N E R,you da man,and a triple too!
a sac fly is better than a walk
Nice GGBG
This is where Gio can lose it. He’s always had a bad temper.
He once got thrown out of a HS playoff game because he hit a kid (my nephew! lol) after giving up a HR.
“Please no A Rod up w/RISP”
right cause arod hasnt had any clutch hits right?
whats wrong with this guy?
“The minute the ball left Gardner’s bat you knew it was a triple.”
I thought he was going to beat Jetes to home.
“what has to happen for gardner to NOT get a triple on a ball in the gap?..angels bring the ball to the outfielder?”
IT COULD HAPPEN!
Steal home!!
oh geez – c’mon Alex
damn it comes down to Ar od..2 Miami prospects
SJ, TO further illustrate your point …..Don Larsen
So wait, Pete, let me get this straight.
Except for 2 hits, 2 walks, and one run, Gio is pitching a perfect game???
Cool.
“IT COULD HAPPEN!”
haha i was hoping somebody would go there
“Just as important as anything else is that Pettitte isn’t walking anybody.”
It’s true. You know it’s the whole package. Andy has been terrible with walking guys this year.
He’s been walking 3.6/9 – which is by far the worst he’s been with his control over the past 10 years.
And he’s been walking guys because he’s pitched scared. Constantly nibbling. Constantly trying to stay away.
Andy can’t walk 3.6/9 and survive.
right down the pipe
A Rod up, automatic out w/Runner on third…bad hitting Tex…could come back to haunt us….
Hey all -
Got this going on MLB tv. Bad allergy day for me so I just tuned in – just in time to see the Yanks score. I don’t need to tell you all how much our guys rock.
Have a great day.
GO YANKEES!
GO ORIOLES!
Maybe, if the ball hits the wall and bounces right back to a guy with a Vlad-type arm…MAYBE Gardner has to hold at 2nd.
It’s great having a guy with that speed and decent on-base skills.
ok, andy – no runs no runs no runs
A Rod in playoff mode….runner on 3rd, one out…no runs…bad
Don’t know what a “membera” is
Pat M,
Exactly. A journeyman pitcher throws a perfect game in the World Series and his life changes forever.
Funny thing is, he wasn’t that good before the perfect game or after. However, he’s never had to work a real job after baseball because of what he was able to make off the field for throwing a perfect game in the WS.
What is A Rod batting w/RISP this year?
“A Rod up, automatic out w/Runner on third…bad hitting Tex…could come back to haunt us….”
Are you trying to say he hasn’t been clutch this yr.?
Top of the order batting,1 out 1 run scored ,man on third,why not sac/fly?
There is one thing that bothers me more than anything in baseball…and that is man on third less that two outs and you can’t score the run.
It has really bothered me since the 2004 ALCS.
well Gonzalez has a good curve today but he got done in the the Leche and GGBG.
RDM,
10 of A-Rod’s 19 home runs this year have either tied the game or given us the lead, you have NO idea what you are talking about
Arod and Tex are “automatic outs” with RISP? Are you for real or a Red Sox troll?
I’m hoping its the latter. If its the former, you may be the dumbest person to visit this blog this season and that’s saying something.
Great. We really needed that second run!
warm up the BP
“A Rod in playoff mode….runner on 3rd, one out…no runs…bad”
Teixeira was the key at bat in that sequence. Interesting how you don’t bother with that.
Man on third one out and the infield is pulled in.
And Tex couldn’t get the ball out of the infield.
But you’re right – that was Arod’s fault as well.
Yes, he isn’t clutch. Batting clean up hitting like .250? Isn’t clutch….
Gio Gonzalez has terrific stuff and better command than I’ve ever seen today. Give the kid some credit.
The Yankees beat two rookies in a row to start the series; this isn’t the old “we haven’t seen him before” garbage. This a pitcher pitching one of the best games of his life. And Andy’s right beside him.
Here we go LOL
Come on Andy!!
RDM July 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
A Rod up, automatic out w/Runner on third…bad hitting Tex…could come back to haunt us….
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A-Rod’s career .310 BA with RISP would strongly disagree with your nonsense.
This is exactly where a runner on 3rd not scoring hurts you. Yanks need to get better at those things. Also Arod better have the day off tomorrow. His bat looks very slow…
RDM why does it matter what Alex does with RISP? You only care when he doesn’t come through.
When you look for someone to get an RBI or a HR every time they come up to bat I guess they do look like a failure.
Uh oh for Andy.
I’ve never seen this kid throw before, but from what I’ve seen so far today, I’m confused as to why he hasn’t been more of a success…..
He plans to walk nomar and then get a triple play I see you andy lol
Oi! Andy, there’s only one run on the scoreboard!
I say Tex needed to get that run in…not on alex
Limit it to 1 run Andy.
two on, 0 outs…let’s see the A’s score runs. Agree, Tex should have got the runner home, no doubt, but watching A Rod bad is painful….
Get a DP here.
RDM
July 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Yes, he isn’t clutch. Batting clean up hitting like .250? Isn’t clutch….
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You’re a clown.
Phil
Hughes
Limit the damage to one run please…..
Bad job by Andy. To walk Nomar who hasn’t played a lot or hit in 5 years.
He’s looking for attention posting gibberish.
Yes, he’s not “clutch”. If you say so, it must be true.
This is what happens when the Red Sox have a night game.
We get their trolls for afternoon fun.
just no HR please
UGH
Pettitte needs to remember that game in Cleveland (the midges) where he allowed a lead-off triple but didn’t allow him to score…
K DP let’s see it!
Alex’s numbers w/RISP is overrated anyway. Any runner that’s on base IS in scoring position for him. If he gets a 2-run HR with a man on first base, does it matter that the guy wasn’t technically “in scoring position”?
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# RDM July 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
UGH
Go away Sam
Stultus Magnus July 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Pettitte needs to remember that game in Cleveland (the midges) where he allowed a lead-off triple but didn’t allow him to score…
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Andy was AMAZING in that game.
How can you knock ARod for hitting .250 when he gets on base at .400?
You cant.
If Andy throws that same pitch hes swinging
Come on Andy!! You don’t want to get beat by Crusty the strike out artist..
RDM you are officially the biggest idiot on this thread for using the .250 AVG reference to diss A-Rod, he has been one of the most clutch batters on this team. 1.105 OPS in high lvg situations, yeh diss that guy.
What should andy throw?
Mark-Cant Touch This
July 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
What should andy throw?
A Strike
Mark-Cant Touch This
July 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
What should andy throw?
a strike would be nice
He should throw a change
Pettitte 95 pitches….rough inning
HUGEEEEE OUT
Mark-Cant Touch This
July 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
What should andy throw?
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Whatever pitch ends up as a triple play
1 down. That was a huge one.
A double player here, and it’s all good.
Lets go for the DP Andy!
double play
DP
Nice job Andy. 1 down.
In the words of Chet ‘Rocket’ Steadman…ONE MOOORE!
Seems pretty likely Pettitte will give up a run or two.
I hope I’m wrong.
I agree Pete….at least a day off for A Rod…
Please just get a quick DP.
no worse than a single here Andy. I’d hope for a GIDP here.
Strikes…please
no pitching change?
Ay ay… take Pet out now.
I knew it.
Girardi fouls up once again.
PL
July 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
In the words of Chet ‘Rocket’ Steadman…ONE MOOORE!
You DID NOT just quote THAT movie
damn that would of been a great play right there…
Damn..Ofcourse 1 of the worse hitters with a hit..
shut up patrick
Damn…just keep it tied here.
uhhh. take him out please!
and total meltdown
Hard to complain when the Yanks have won 8 in a row, but it is annoying when a pitcher gives up a run in the half inning after the offense has taken the lead.
Now the sac/fly comes into play from last inning,the score would be 2-1 Yankees.
That stunk. I hate the stupid A’s.
Freaking terrible job by Joe G. Pettitte should have been gone after Cust
Tough spot for Ace
Things just aren’t really breaking the Yankees’ way today. That ball is inches from being a double-play ball. And now a bunt single.
Time to be a hero, Alfredo.
Got to pull Andy, he’s done. This could be the ball game with the A’s pen.
Time for more magic form Ace
tim boat
I did. Should of won an Oscar for that movie. Gary Busey’s best performance
Victor Martinez to the Rays perhaps? Let’s hope not!
baseball is so weird..andy couldnt pitch a better 6 innings then he did…then in the 7th this…well go get em ace!
“Girardi fouls up once again.”
not really it just found a hole, that ball could have easily been a GIDP, here’s hoping ACE saves us.
Open the flood gates…..If Lee goes to Tampa, WOW….
bunting karma.
Well, we knew it’d be tough to get a win with only 1 run on the board.
Let’s get out of this inning without any more damage, and see what happens after that.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 25th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Freaking terrible job by Joe G. Pettitte should have been gone after Cust
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
“shut up patrick”
Well that’s constructive, thanks tim.
I hate that I was right but I knew once Girardi decided to leave Pettitte in that runs would score. Joe constantly lets his pitchers convince him to leave them in the game. He should know better by now. Grow some balls joe
“Freaking terrible job by Joe G. Pettitte should have been gone after Cust.”
Yeah, because it is standard baseball practice to pull a veteran pitcher below 100 pitches when he isn’t getting lit-up.
There’s a reason Pettitte is a starter, and Aceves is a reliever.
The comments on this board are hilarious. If I were Pete, I would just be slapping my head over and over again. Pettitte pitched really well for 6.1 innings today and the Yanks are tied 1-1 and are on an 8 game winning streak. Give them a chance to win the game, they just might do it.
Bridge jumpers are out and about
3/4 hitters up with a runner at 3rd, less than 2 outs, and what happens? They don’t drive him in.
2 hits and they couldn’t get in the gimme run from 3rd with less than 2 outs. This guy has a .350 BAA and a 9.00 ERA coming into today, the offense has totally crapped out today.
word from Durham is Reid Brignac was pulled from the game for not hustling to first base.”
The at bat that hurt was Nomar. You have to make him hit the ball. Now you need a strikeout guy or someone throwing hard in this spot. Not a good time to bring in Aceves. But I guess there is no one else.
It’s amazing how Aceves keeps wriggling out of these difficult jams, isn’t it?
I think no matter how well Andy is doing, we should take him out in the 6th. If he goes long, then by the 7th inning he always gets into trouble…it never fails.
He’s getting too old and doesnt have the stuff and stamina to go through a line-up that many times.
“not really it just found a hole, that ball could have easily been a GIDP, here’s hoping ACE saves us.”
The results speak for themselves. Joe should have trusted his instincts and taken Pettitte out.
This isn’t the first time it’s happened either. There have been several instances where Joe goes out to take a pitcher out and the pitcher convinces him to stay in. Of course he then gives up runs.
Sweet popup!
Still, it stinks that Pettitte won’t get a win AGAIN.
The bat that hurt was Tex and A Rod…more Tex….
“2 hits and they couldn’t get in the gimme run from 3rd with less than 2 outs. This guy has a .350 BAA and a 9.00 ERA coming into today, the offense has totally crapped out today.”
The game is not played by robots. Have you been watching? The Gio Gonzalez dealing today is not the one who was clobbered by Morneau and Cuddyer his last start.
lets not put him in the hall of fame just yet
When was the last time the bullpen didn’t come through? It stinks that it came against a scrub lineup like the A’s though. Oh well, comeback time.
Looks like another late-inning comeback is in the works.
ouch..i was hoping ace would throw something in the dirt
0-2 2 out hit??
Why not a changeup down? That’s Aceves’ best pitch!!
that was a bad pitch call..
Like I just said..Ofcourse the old 2 out hit..0-2 and then a pitch up over the plate. Terrible job by Aceves…
“Yeah, because it is standard baseball practice to pull a veteran pitcher below 100 pitches when he isn’t getting lit-up.
There’s a reason Pettitte is a starter, and Aceves is a reliever.”
There is so much wrong with this post I’m not sure where to start.
First of all, “standard baseball practice” is in general very stupid. Girardi is a hugely traditional manager and it hurts the team.
Second of all, Ace is a better pitcher than Pettitte at this point in their careers.
Finally, Pettitte struggled through the entire 7th, that was very clear to anyone with half a brain. He should have been gone after Cust.
Now it’s 3-1, good job Joe.
that’s textbook MOLINA right there… calling the same pitch 3 times in a row.
all the pundits can eat it
Would have went change up.
I thought he was gonna drop the curve.
That is what happens when you go to the well too many times! bad pitch selection and bad location, well suck it up never say die and lets go Offense!
How was he “right”? Aceves just gave up the big hit in the inning on an 0-2 pitch.
You can’t even throw that pitch close to home plate. You have to go higher than high, not in the same spot.
But again, it’s not Aceves’ fault. The offense has not shown up whatsoever today, and Pettitte walked the extra runs on base that scored on that play.
If Pettitte just went after Nomar, this never would have blown up like this because the extra runners would not have been on base to score.
Patrick, Aceves gave up the 2 run single to Powell, not Pettitte. Please step off the ledge and take the noose off your neck.
Have a good day all….8 game streak to an end….wish the B line up wasn’t in today. ACE had him 0-2 and gives it up ARG…
That last hit REALLY hurt. After getting the popup and getting ahead 0-2, you CANNOT give up a hit in that spot. You just can’t.
O’Neill was right. Throwing three straight fastballs high was bad pitch selection. Aceves has such good offspeed stuff, why not throw something out of the zone?
Just my opinion but every manager fouls up at some point. Never quite sure when that is all the time since the difference between good managing and bad managing usually comes down to whether or not the move (or lack thereof) in question works.
That said, it is Joe Girardi that got the Yankees to the point they are at now. A manager does a lot more with a team than making decisions from the bench. He has to interact with his guys and find a balance between keeping them motivated and giving them confidence when they need it. In Girardi’s particular case, I personally think he has done a great job with a critical element of the team – the bullpen.
I’d give Girardi an A in managing, given that all managers may screw up from time to time. I think he has done a great job in the face of injuries to some of his top players and filling in with AAA guys, etc.
WRONG PSYLUK!
ITS PETTITES fault those 2 runs scored. You cant expect aceves to be brought in 1 out and bases loaded and stop the damage.
Liek i said, Pettite always blows the game in the end. He walked 2 guys and gave up a base hit or 2. YOU CANT WALK GUYS. But, he does walk a ton of guys, has horrible control.
holy cow
A rare off day for Aceves. It was bound to happen sometime.
guess its not ace’s day…hes been soo good
Pettitte’s line is going to look ugly, and he certainly doesn’t deserve it.
The A’s aren’t even hitting the ball hard at all, which is the most frustrating thing.
Psyluk, kindly go f yourself.
I’m just ticked that once again Girardi left a pitcher in for too long. He does it constantly.
You can’t expect Aceves to give up 0 runs when he’s given bases loaded with 1 out. THis is all on Pettitte and Girardi for leaving Pettitte in too long.
Dang…clutch
Wow, meltdown by Aceves. Petite sure didn’t help. Oh well, can’t win ‘em all (though with this team, I’m not giving up).
gross
Girardi really cost them this game today. He never takes Andy out when the time calls for it.
cant win them all but i still have faith.
“8 game winning streak and people still whine about the manager. it’s never enough to shut up you whiners.”
I think Girardi has been great.
How is Girardi “hurting the team” Patrick? They are in first place.
He decided to stay with Pettitte.
It turns out, he was probably right since Aceves is getting belted around now.
Least Tampa hasn’t gained ground…but they gained in the trade market….go O’s…..4-1 now….
damn… we might lose this one. Rare I know.
The way some of you whiners post you’d think the Yanks had lost 8 in a row.
I was all ready to type “ACE-SAVES-US!”, and then he goes and poops the bed. BIG TIME.
there again…4th run, pettite’s fault for putting a guy in a horrible situation. If he just throws strikes he doesnt have a problem. He just unravels SO QUICKLY
It’s not Aceves fault, it’s Pettitte’s fault.
When you walk a bunch of extra guys on base in a tight game, what do you expect to happen?
If he goes after these guys and makes them put it in play, it’s a 2-3 run inning rather than a 4-run inning most likely.
But again, when you score 1 run on 2 hits and can’t even hit a weak fly ball to get in Brett Gardner from 3rd, whose fault is that?
Ace was due for a stinker.
Funny how baseball works…have good day all and lets hope for another comeback.
Pettitte 6.1 IP,,,4 ER…not a quality start….
So Jake, it was Pettitte’s fault that Landon Powell hit an 0-2 fastball into left field?
Why don’t you stop playing the blame game and accept the fact that the Yankees may actually lose a game between now and the end of the season. And who’s to say that the Yankees are going to lose this game? There’s a reason the Yanks lead the league in comeback wins. Stop your crying.
How many times has Andy gotten out of jams in late innings over his career? How can you not give him the benefit of the doubt. He made one bad pitch to Hairston, and then walked Nomar on a 3-2 pitch. Then Crosby had a bunt single.
An couple of inches difference, and Andy induces a pop-up and GIDP.
Obviously, you haven’t been a Yankees fan long enough to appreciate how good Andy has been and still can be.
TRAGIC turn of events…How are the fans booing? lol
are we still blaming andy?
I’m only going to say this once and then you’ll be banned.
Just because the Yankees are losing DOES NOT mean you can use curse words, crude sexual terms and insult each other.
That’s enough. Grow up or get out.
what does the oakland bullpen look like?
well my faith has been shattered
cant win them all 
. Go MITRE!!
Patrick,
You CAN expect him not to give up 5 runs though.
Aceves, not Girardi or Pettitte, put them out of this one.
It happens. That’s baseball.
This is what happens when you pitch someone like Aceves in the late innings. Yes he has been great this season, but he is NOT a late inning reliever. Girardi tried it against Boston also and we know what happened in that game. He doesn’t have the stuff to be brought into a bases loaded spot.
Too bad.
Will come back later when everyone calms down.
Ace was due for a stinker.
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That’s what I was thinking.
Oh well.
They’re not Booooooing, they’re Cooooing.
sorry but aceves is getting tatooed, all you whiners trying to pin it on the manger now and shut it. and im not even a big girardi fan….
Alright, this game is over now. This is looking like one of those games back in April.
At least Aceves is pitching poorly on a day the offense decided to wet the bed.
yeh IDK about a comeback today…. can’t win them all but it sucks when it’s after Pettitte pitches a gem.
Least Tampa hasn’t gained ground…but they gained in the trade market….go O’s…..4-1 now….6-1….WOW….WOW…
that’s a lot of 2-out damage
Pete, unfortunately the level of conversation isn’t up to yours or any other rational Yankee fans’ standards. It’s as though these fools expect the Yanks to go 65-0 for the rest of the season.
Okay whoever says Girardi has done a great job is totally insane. All he has done is what anyone that some-what knows the team would do…PUT THE STARTERS in EVERY day…well look at that, if you dont mess with the line-up you win? wow!
And i mean all he has had to do is put phil in the 8th and MO in the 9th and the guys have hit and pitched…girardi has done jack squat. Thank god his contract is over next year. I want Bobby Valentine when he comes back to Japan!! Or bring Donnie back!!
Also you really have to wonder why Girardi is allowing Aceves to continue to put this game out of reach. 2 runs ok, but a 5 spot against a horrible hitting team. Get him out of there…
Can we all go back to the incorrect pronunciation of his name please? I guess the guy gets some outs, he decides to tell the announcers how to pronounce his name and then he gets rocked!
Obviously kidding, to provide some levity.
Anyone think Joe will use the bench or just take this one?
Robertson after ACE,kill me NOW!
great performance from andy, but of course, great turns into sour. he fought his way to stay in the game to give up more hits and then potentially cost us the game.
just angry and venting.
The Rays “Primo” prospect was pulled for not running to first base.
We can still win this one.
After 8 wins in a row – the complainers and whiners have had very little to talk about.
So…. have your fun Bridge Jumpers. Knock yourself out.
Fire Girardi. Fire Cashman. Fire Aceves.
Blame the Saturday jinx. Blame the hitters. If this team can’t beat the Oakland A’s, they are going nowhere….
blah blah blah
yeah, what a horrible manager joe g is….
right! because pulling andy for ace worked out real well today. get over yourselves.
I guess those Tex and A-Rod at bats still seem like the difference in this game huh? Or maybe if Girardi pulled Andy sooner it would be 8-1 by now?
This is baseball. We should all be used to this by now. And I thought its why most of us love it – because anything can happen.
Sometimes you’re on the bad side of “anything.”
its basically a moot point now about having ace come in earlier…he didnt shut them down after giving up the lead..so whos to say he would of came in earlier and do it then…
but of course the yankees are now destined to be a third place team because the rays and sox are gonna zoom by them with their uber-clutch and fundamentally sound baseball…
can we not all go jump off bridges….this is a first place team and one who just ran off 8 straight wins…
Micheal Kaye just locked this game for Oakland.
Everytime I think I’ve read it all here at the lohud, I’m quickly proven wrong…..Some of those here need to be sent down to A Ball…….
Sorry here is the link http://twitter.com/tborays/status/2841075634
What do you mean Tampa has gained in the trade market?
“but they gained in the trade market”
Who did they get?
it’s not like the As have a lock-down bullpen…three innings still to go here!
“You CAN expect him not to give up 5 runs though.
Aceves, not Girardi or Pettitte, put them out of this one.
It happens. That’s baseball.”
Not sure if you saw the box score but 4 of those runs are Pettitte’s.
Are you telling me Pettitte looked good that inning? Double, walk and he struggeld with Cust who traditionally is terrible against lefties.
Are you seriously telling me it was smart to leave Pettitte in for the next two hitters?
You either need your glasses changed or a lesson in pitching basics. Pettitte was clearly done.
Ace pitched poorly, yes, but that doesn’t change THE FACT that Pettite should have been pulled after Cust.
In the future it could be good if you didn’t let your biases trump logic and reason. Good luck with that chief.
Calm down peeps yankees lost it happens sometimes, win 8 and lose 1, ill take that winning percentage for the rest of the season. Maybe the A’s bullpen chokes you never know.
Teams lose games. Just the reality of it. The team will be fine.
good old andy. great performance turns sour. he fought his way into staying in the game after getting a huge out, only to give up more hits. great unnecessary walk to Ramon Garciaparra.
just angry and venting.
Petitte pitched as good a game as he has over the last year and a half. His ome mistake was the walk to Garciaparra. Lost in all of this is the fact that Gonzales has pitched the game of his young career, so far.
Let’s just leave it at the Yankees were due for a clunker.
That being said, Pettitte can’t walk Nomar Garciaparra, a guy who doesn’t walk. All quality starts aren’t equal.
Aceves had nothing though so there you go. Game over and hope Mitre can give him 6 decent innings and go from there.
I like this blog and read it every single day, but some of these fair-weathered fans that overreact to every single thing make me want to just puke. The Yanks are 22 games over .500 and are in the midst of wrapping up one of the best weeks I can remember in recent memory, both on and off the field. And all we can do is whine? Get over it.
You don’t bring in guys who finesse with the bases loaded in a tie game or in similar spots to that, and Girardi doesn’t seem to get that about Aceves.
He throws low 90′s, but he’s not overpowering. This wouldn’t be the first game Girardi brought in Aceves in a spot you knew he wouldn’t succeed in. In that game in Fenway Park with CC Sabathia he brought in Aceves to face Youkilis with 1st and 2nd, no outs. He’s not overpowering, no way he’s going to preserve that lead in a 1-run game.
Hughes is not available, so show some faith in someone else for once. Oh wait, you haven’t used half the bullpen in 2 weeks, guess you can’t trust them to throw strikes!
Pat they didn’t get anyone their prospect was pulled for lack of hustle.
Patrick,
You aren’t very bright if you think Girardi hasn’t done a good job this year.
Aceves came in and got smoked. It happens. Its baseball. Get over it.
Jake wants Bobby Valentine. Yeah, right up until his antics drive you nuts.
Maybe the Yankees shouldn’t have hugged Andy & Aceves so tightly.
Okay, I’m really out now. Just wanted to stay for GBA.
Go, Yankees.
I hope Melancon pitches the 8th inning. They need to get one of Melancon, Robertson or Bruney going. You need someone who throws hard for these late innings situations. Aceves is not one of those guys.
Well how quickly things change,I’m speechless.
man – one of the things I hate most about when the Yankees are losing is the number of people posting on here you have to ignore…
Pete,
My name Jim Pir one with “Pir” and “one” together is getting caught by filters. Can you help? Thanks
“great unnecessary walk to Ramon Garciaparra.”
Huh? What game are you watching? There’s no Ramon Garciaparra on OAK.
we were only 5 outs away from mariano, why not coke and hughes at that point? oh well, we still have 3 ups left. GO YANKS !!!
Clearly, Robertson should have been used.
Scranton
Thanks.
LOL you guys act like the Yankees cant score runs there are 9 outs left.
nyydj2 July 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
we were only 5 outs away from mariano, why not coke and hughes at that point? oh well, we still have 3 ups left. GO YANKS !!!
Hughes was unavailable…Coke pitched last night.
Laura – I’m ready for the 2nd half. Are the Yankees?? Why, yes they are!! July 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
“great unnecessary walk to Ramon Garciaparra.”
Huh? What game are you watching? There’s no Ramon Garciaparra on OAK.
Ramon is Nomar backwards..
Teams lose. Yankees would be 8-1 in their last 9. That’s not bad at all.
Michael Kay fan club lmao
Micheal Kay Fan Club? FAIL!!!
Hey!
Was it over when the Nazis bombed Pearl Harbor!?!
It ain’t over, yet!
Their pitcher was sitting on the bench for awhile. Maybe he got rusty.
we have 3 innings to rally. lets go yanks!
If the Yanks are gonna have a clunker, a rested Jeter, Damon, Matsui and Posada sounds like a recipe to rebound from it.
Seen too many comebacks to write them off though with 9ABs to go.
Biases? Are you serious? LOL
You are acting like a 12 year old baby because the Yankees had a bad inning and whining about Girardi not pulling Pettitte earlier for Aceves.
It was ACEVES NOT PETTITTE who gave up the runs.
Now, you play to play the “stat game” to try and sell Pettitte didn’t pitch well?
Its called “inherited runs allowed to score”. You are a stathead, look it up and learn what it means.
Aceves is one strike away from doing the job, and keeping the game 1-1 and gave up 5 runs.
That’s on him, not Pettitte.
He had a bad day.
Grow up, get over it, or come up with more stathead nonsense to tell me what a bad manager Joe Girardi is since that’s your forte.
so Gio is still out there?
UPDATE, 3:08 p.m.: The game has gotten out of hand as Aceves got ripped. Some people actually booed when Oakland went up 6-1. Never mind that the Yankees have won eight straight, 21 of 26 and 44 of 64. They booed. Classy. What great fans in New York, right?
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The problem with winning baseball is that it will bring out the “fans” who won’t be able to stand losing a single game and will boo regardless of all the good things that have happened. Mix in the fact that a good chunk of the fans at Yankee Stadium are there to see the stadium at this point and you’re going to get the boobirds for a guy that’s been one of their best pitchers all season.
“You aren’t very bright if you think Girardi hasn’t done a good job this year.”
Reading comprehension please.
I never said Girardi hasn’t done a good job this year. Thanks for twisting my words YET AGAIN. You tend to do that when you know you are wrong.
I said that Girardi has let pitchers convince him to let them stay in games. He has done this several times this year and it usually ends up hurting the team.
I also said that Girardi is a very traditional manager and some of that traditional decision making hurts the team.
NOWHERE did I say that Girardi has done a poor job managing the team. They are in first place for a reason, mainly because of the talent on the team, but also because Girardi has done an okay job.
Not great, not terrible, OKAY.
If you seriously think leaving Pettitte in was a good call I am done talking with you because you are either too biased to realize a bad call when you see one, or simply too dumb.
its soo stupid…yankee fans are way too quick to turn…the only boos that should of been heard in yankee stadium today is if they ran out of hot dogs
DTV are you joking or do you really not know who bombed Pearl Harbor.
Blaming Girardi for Aceves pitching poorly is skewed.
It’s not like the rund scoring single Pettitte gave up was smoked.
Aceves pitched poorly. Hasn’t happened often this season. Today was one of those days.
But you can’t have it both ways. You can’t blame Girardi for not going earlier with Aceves rather than Pettitte. And then blame Girardi for Aceves pitching poorly due to the context he entered the game in.
That’s a fabricated argument that artificially allows you to claim you’re right regardless of what happens on the field.
Aceves pitched badly. That’s the bottom line. That’s not on Girardi.
SJ – just ignore…they stop posting when you stop responding
“we were only 5 outs away from mariano, why not coke and hughes at that point? oh well, we still have 3 ups left. GO YANKS !!!”
Yusssse was N/A today.
SJ44,
You are doing an admirable job of twisting my words but it’s still just fluff, like usual.
Cano forgot which dugout was his
Got to tip your hat off to Gonzalez today, he’s pitching the best game of his season.
I wish there was a way to read/hear the griping that went on in 1998. You know people complained. LOL
Aceves wet the bed. It doesn’t happen very often.
Gio Gonzalez has pitched the game of his life. These things happen.
As much as fans hate losing even a single game, it has been known to happen, and it will happen many more times this season.
Yankees lead the east have a big lead when it comes to the wild card. Have won 8 in a row. that is not enough!!!
Ill go nuts if Gio Gonzalez gets lit up by the Soxs! grrrrr
Get Scott Downs please. This pen outside of Hughes/Coke is a joke.
“But you can’t have it both ways. You can’t blame Girardi for not going earlier with Aceves rather than Pettitte. And then blame Girardi for Aceves pitching poorly due to the context he entered the game in.”
Ahh I’m not arguing that at all actually.
Girardi should have taken Pettitte out, he was clearly done. The fact that Ace pitched poorly has nothing to do with the decision. Who knows how Ace would have pitched had he faced Davis and Crosby?
Cano just gave up.
That 7th inning was tough to watch.
I know you can’t win them all, but we went from a near perfect game to being down 6-1.
Felt like a kick in the nads.
Does anyone really think Mitre is going to pitch well tomorrow?
Going to be miserable to split the series with Oakland after winning the 1st 2.
Watch them lost all 4 in Boston.
It was my fault. I got up from the chair I was sittting in all game.
You are second guessing a move for a guy who when he came in was perfectly capable of keeping the game tied at 1 and I’m stupid?
Ok, whatever you say.
A guy managing a team that is 20 games over .500 is just doing an “okay” job?
That’s not even logical.
The center field duo are the only players touching Gio today.
Cano just gave up.
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A mind reader is amongst us
Sevrx July 25th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Get Scott Downs please. This pen outside of Hughes/Coke is a joke.
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Clearly you’ve only watched Aceves for one game. Do us all a favor and go back a few appearances.
We will win this game!
Geren is scared Ransom might take Gio out of the yard…
Hmmm. I wonder why Ramon’s career was disaster after leading the Sox. It might have been the PEDs that made him so incroidible and outroidgeious with the Sox
“Get Scott Downs please. This pen outside of Hughes/Coke is a joke.”
Dude thst’s the first time Aceves didn’t come through, srsly calm the hell down. That’s not the reason we should want Downs.
a ph here?
“Does anyone really think Mitre is going to pitch well tomorrow?”
My guess: 5.1 innings, 3 runs, Yanks win 7-4.
Oakland has a terrific pen with Ziegler and Baily
We ain’t scoring 5 runs. This one is over.
SEVRX…
Think we should dump Aceves?
Can we hang onto that Rivera guy??
MATT…
Already conceding tomorrow’s game?
SJ44, who’s to say that any of these arguments were ever logical in the first place?
I would have guessed that this was the Yankees last year when they were 7 out of first at this point of the year.
Every sea of fans has their fair share of useless voices and the Yankees have more fans than most. I wouldn’t worry about it.
Aceves blew that Boston game too, remember? He allowed CC’s inherited runs to score.
Well Phil is due for a zinger soon too.This LHP 9.33 ERA coming into the game pitcher,handled the Yankees,TODAY.
If the Yankees get to the pen there’s hope,as long as Bruney stays out.
Matt July 25th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Does anyone really think Mitre is going to pitch well tomorrow?
Going to be miserable to split the series with Oakland after winning the 1st 2.
Watch them lost all 4 in Boston.
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Mitre is going to be serviceable, and you have Hughes or Ace waiting to caddy him if necessary.
It’s one loss. Calm the heck down.
“Does anyone really think Mitre is going to pitch well tomorrow?”
They didn’t think he was going to pitch well his first game and as I recall, he did fine. Stop being so negative.
“outroidgeious”
Okay, I chuckled at that.
“Okay whoever says Girardi has done a great job is totally insane.”
I say Girardi has done a great job. Girardi is the guy who sets the lineup day after day. And there is more to managing than in-game calls. To be in first place after he has had to deal with DL time for Wang, Arod, Jorge, Molina, Marte, Bruney twice, and Ransom; and to juggle all of the balls and to accomplish what he has with Berroa, Ransom, Pena, Cervelli, and a bunch of other players who came through the revolving door to me is nothing short of miraculous. And don’t forget the huge team slump he had to help them get through. And he is there for his players all the way and is one of the most optimistic guys I’ve seen in the game.
I love the guy.
*leaving the Sox
if you could not tell, i really cannot stand Ramon.
Matsui going to play SS?
SJ44,
It has nothing to do with Ace. Pettitte was clearly gassed.
Yes he’s doing just an okay job because in-game decisions by managers don’t really effect the team that much.
Perhaps their personality and demeanor with the media, etc helps a team’s morale or whatever but that’s unquantifiable. Maybe Girardi is doing a great job at that and it’s helping the team tremendously.
However, if you just look at the decisions he makes during games, he is doing just okay. He’s a very traditional guy when it comes to those decisions and in general, the “Tony La Russa managing” is not very smart.
When you have a legitimate point, let me know, I haven’t seen one yet.
I can’t wait until Hughes has a bad outing and the panic it will cause among the bridgejumpers.
If you can’t handle a bad day from someone out of the bullpen, you are going to have a hard time holding up over the course of the season.
Everybody, even Mariano, has bad days out of the pen.
the only move that the Yankees could make rather painlessly would be to acquire someone to take Ransom’s spot on the roster. There have got to be better options out there in the market than him.
WHAT KINDA OF VOODOO SLIDER IS THAT!
SCRANTON-
How old are you?
U’ve never seen “Animal House”?
A HR would be nice!
Dallas Braden has been one of the better pitchers in baseball this year. Tomorrow is a complete mismatch.
It’s like Joba’s but upside down?
wow – can you imagine how much better the Yankees would be doing if Patrick was GM or Manager?
“It has nothing to do with Ace. Pettitte was clearly gassed.”
I still don’t have *any* idea how you came the that conclusion. He was dominating until he left a pitch up to Hairston and was under 100 pitches. Unless he’s hurt, there’s no reason to believe he’d be gassed at that point.
Just take the walk…
Matsui walks like he’s in pain.
Look on the bright side— Melancon, Bruney, Robertson will get plenty of work today.
Ross,
I detailed why I feel that way several times, scroll up.
“Going to be miserable to split the series with Oakland after winning the 1st 2.”
the Yankees didn’t win the first two games of the series.
If you can change the future (today and tomorrow) – I can change the past.
Getting swept by the A’s – unbeleiveable.
Matsui trying to hit a home run despite the tying run being 3 batters behind him. Why not just take the walk and give yourself a chance to chip away with Posada probably pinch hitting next?
SJ, Once again, you’re pissing into the wind……You should know better by now !!!!
“Dallas Braden has been one of the better pitchers in baseball this year. Tomorrow is a complete mismatch.”
He’s a rookie lefty. Today’s game notwithstanding, the odds are heavily stacked against him against this lineup. They’ve ripped lefties and rookies all year.
So, do they lose the DH and play Jeter or move Rodriguez to short and put Hinske at third?
Pettitte wasn’t gassed under 100 pitches. That’s a ridiculous statement. He had a bad inning. Aceves had a worse inning. It happens. Deal with it.
Gio Gonzalez has a 10 ERA. No excuses for the offense today.
Anyone notice this is almost the same type of game as last night only opposite..Joba gave up 2 hits through seven.
OK. No DH.
of course, this is a 3 game series where the Thursday game is the last game of a previous, rained-out, series…
so, should the Yankees lose today, tomorrow would actually be the rubber game
“I detailed why I feel that way several times, scroll up.”
None of your logic made any sense. He hadn’t given up back-to-back home runs, for pete’s sake!
“Oakland has a terrific pen with Ziegler and Baily
We ain’t scoring 5 runs. This one is over.”
Yup. Tomorrow we come out swinging.
Andy is kind of like what Pedro was last year… can give you a good 4-5 innings, but collapses after that and doesn’t have the stamina to pitch deep into games.
The Radar Gun Mafioso July 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
It’s like Joba’s but upside down?
You beat me too it.
Patrick,
Why is it that so many of the really nasty fights on this blog wind up involving you?
I mean the really nasty ones where swearing and very personal, derogatory insults wind up getting hurled back and forth?
Like that nasty fight that went on and on between you and Pepitone?
“wow – can you imagine how much better the Yankees would be doing if Patrick was GM or Manager?”
Not really and I would never make that claim. I would have no credibility as a manager and I think Cashman already does a fine job at GM.
The fact is, there are several people that would do a better job making in-game decisions than Girardi.
What he does as the head of the team is unknown to us on the outside but the team has great chemistry so we have to assume he does a good job in that respect.
However, if you look simply at his decisions as manager during a game, they aren’t really that great.
Everything is fine, one game is one game. We can still come back in this game anyhow, maybe pick up Ace and Dandy Andy.
Good to see Robertson getting some work. Melancon for the 9th? Get whatever you can out of this mess.
Aside from snide remarks, you haven’t said anyting substantial.
In fact, the posts get dumber and dumber.
Aceves comes into a 1-1 game, and is one strike away from getting out of the inning, gives up 5 runs and its Girardi’s fault?
That leads you to state he’s only done an “okay” job managing a team that is 20+ games over .500 because you don’t like some of his moves.
The way Girardi has managed the pen this year is a big reason why they are 20+ games over .500. However, NOBODY’s bullpen is perfect every game.
The move you wanted him to make today ended up blowing up because Ace had an off day.
At some point, logic has to take over at some point. Ace had a bad day, not Girardi.
It happens, its baseball.
I actually think Andy was excellent today…
Patrick getting schooled by SJ44 and CB… what else is new?
Well Patrick, you certainly have no problem managing the team from this blog’s message board, that’s for sure. Why not give it a shot? Your decision making is clearly superior to Joe Girardi’s, isn’t it?
I have one you might want to try on for size. In the course of a season games will be lost in many different ways. There really isn’t any great need for potential game-loss analysis when you are dealing with a team in first place that has just won 8 games in a row.
IT HAPPENS.
It really is not any big Bucholz’n deal. Get over it if they lose this game. Life will go on. Statistically Yanks probably weren’t going to win the rest of their games. Girardi got the team to first place, not any one of you. He knows how to manage, you know how to criticize. Nobody here has the goods to be a major league manager. Try being grateful for all you’ve been given this season.
Nice. GG with the diving grab.
nice play gardy
If Ace throws a better 0-2 pitch the last 50 posts are never here.
One bad pitch…Control yourself!!
Unless you think today’s offensive performance means the Yanks are mire in an awful slump.
“Why is it that so many of the really nasty fights on this blog wind up involving you?”
Most likely because I’m the type of person that thinks he’s always right. When I disagree with other people that feel the same way about themselves bad things happen.
In this case, SJ44 is the type of person that thinks he’s always right. We disagree on this issue so it deteriorates into insults.
After this game, Cashman will be even more motivated to get Downs and move Aceves to the rotation LOL
Bucholz’n. I like it!
The turning point of the game was when Teixeira and A-Rod could not get Gardner in from 3rd with less than 2 outs. It swung all the momentum back to Oakland, who still had a very good chance to scratch out a run.
The leadoff double is a completely different scenario with a 2-0 lead than a 1-0 lead. Having the smaller lead made Pettitte nibble on Garciaparra, which set up the bigger rally.
When you have a bad team like Oakland down, you have to step on their throat and put the additional runs on to make them get ready to go back to the hotel. When you let them stay close in the game, you are making them believe, and that’s going to come back to bite you a lot of times as it did today.
“I actually think Andy was excellent today…”
Six stellar innings, a mistake to Hairston, a walk to Nomar, a bunt single, and a grounder up the middle.
I feel quite good with him going into his next start. He’s found himself. Aceves ruined his line.
nice to see Mo talking pitching w/ the kiddies.
Gardner ties a record held by many!!!
the gardner show…
run scoring triple and 2 nice plays…one man show…
He should have did that last inning lol
In all fairness Andy needed run support and he din’t get it.
Deja Vu.
I know this is not Cody Randsoms fault but im still blaming him I blame him for everything that has gone wrong with this team. (Hyperbole, Yes I know but I don’t care)
oh no…Matt is here….geeeeez
“It swung all the momentum back to Oakland, who still had a very good chance to scratch out a run.”
Oh don’t get started on momentum. It might seem attractive to look to one moment in a game, but we’re down five runs because Aceves had his worst outing of the season.
pat,
Hopefully we won’t have a good stuff list today, but GGBG will be on it.
Psyluk July 25th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Pettitte wasn’t gassed under 100 pitches. That’s a ridiculous statement.
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How do you know he wasn’t gassed?
Yes he was under 100 pitches, but it’s 90 degrees out there.
David Robertson getting 4 outs in a row…now some offense (like runs, not offensive statements), pleast
4 in the 8th…
2 in the 9th.
pie
SJ44,
You are completely missing my point. I’ve noticed you tend to do this when you disagree with someone.
My issue with Girardi has nothing to do with the way Aceves pitched. Pettitte was clearly finished after pitching to Cust. He didn’t look good that entire inning. Girardi should have pulled him after Cust. Even if Aceves pitched a good game you can’t expect him to give up less than a run in that situation.
Turns out, Ace pitched a bad game and I don’t blame the manager for that. I blame the manager for putting the relief pitcher in a bases loaded 1 out, tie game situation rather than a 1st and 2nd, 1 out, 1 run lead situation.
Has nothing to do with Ace pitching poorly.
The yankees may lose this game but the big story was Andy pitching great again.
Whether it’s his back, rest, whatever… if Andy pitches this way for the rest of the season then this team is well positioned to absorb the loss of Wang and to compete (big if… but at least we see that he’s still capable of it).
No sense overanalyizing it. One strike away from getting out of the inning and it got away from them.
The Yankees have pulled the same number on teams this season.
If they lose, you turn the page and move on.
Rested Mo and Hughes tomorrow and you go back to work.
Its not a cause for panic.
“4 in the 8th…
2 in the 9th.”
No way.. not off this pen. This isin’t Baltimore’s pen. Oakland has one of the best in baseball. If it was 1-2 runs, yeah, not 5.
well, that “bad manager” Girardi hasn’t given up…
So let’s say Pettitte actually WAS gassed in the 6th inning. Does that change the fact that Aceves got lit up? What happened happened, it’s not worth it for me to rip my hair out over this decision. And seeing as how Pettitte’s a Houston native who’s pitched in plenty of sweltering games before, I made the guess that he was indeed, not gassed. But maybe, who knows?
If Melancon has no command, like to be expected, I hope he isn’t sent back to the minors for that..
SJ44, Im not defending Patrick, and like I already said, w can still come back and win this game but, a few things should not have happened.
Tex should have tried to lift a fly ball at all costs.
Andy walking that bum Ramon.
Andy, although he got the next out, should have been taken out after walking Ramon, and definitely get him out of there on a positive note getting the next guy out.
Ace on 0-2 could have made a different pitch.
Maybe because of the 2 out hit, because they tend to be deflating, made Ace give up the next runs which really put distance between us.
But, oh well, it’s just one game, some games aren’t meant to be. It’s not a big deal. There are ups and downs and 1 game is by no means down, it’s how you react if we lose this game.
Even if we don’t comeback the good thing is the under belly of the BP gets some work in. They need it. (D-Rob, Melancon)
Aceves let CC’s inherited runs score in Boston and was changed with a blown save.
He is just not good with men on base. That’s where Downs would be helpful. He has legit swing and miss stuff.
Hey NOW!!!!!
Jeter!!! we will win!!
No quit in these guys. Hang onto your hats.
dont phone it in yet!
the old guard strikes back
3 more! I blame Cody Randsom
Nice, Derek.
And that’s two back.
and that’s where the extra runs given up make a difference. Down 2 runs, the game is very possible of a comeback. down 5 runs, less likely, but still possible.
Let’s go Yankees.
wait a minute…how did that just happen
Lets not Dissect the game like we lost theres still 6 outs left
Sometimes being on this blog is like going to the Stadium on a bad day and sitting next to a bunch of drunks. You want to watch the game but the drunks suck the air out of the ballpark. You look around and hope to find relief, change your seats or find another soul who loves baseball more than beer. Thankfully there are a couple like GB, SJ, Pat M, Betsy, Rebecca, Laura and some whose name you can’t remember but appreciate their being there.
Good job by Jeter..Too bad those extra runs were given up..
“That’s where Downs would be helpful. He has legit swing and miss stuff.”
Um, no, he doesn’t. Downs rarely escapes the 80 mph range with his fastball. Coke has legitimate swing-and-miss stuff.
I expected a final gasp, but this A’s BP is too good to erase a 5 run defecit.
How was Pettitte “gassed” though? He wasn’t even at 95 pitches and was breezing along. Cust is always a tough AB because he works counts. He’s their “Swisher”.
Rajai Davis barely got wood on a ball and he got a hit.
The next hit is a bunt single. Those hits offer no proof of Pettitte being “gassed”.
With all of that, 1-1, 0-2 on Landon Powell, and Aceves spit the bit.
You mean to tell me asking Aceves to get one more strike is too much to ask? If that’s the case, what’s he doing in bullpen?
He had a bad day. I don’t fault Girardi for pushing Pettitte because he wasn’t gassed based on the results in that inning.
Ace just didn’t do the job. Rare but, it happens.
There’s a reason the Yankees lead the league in come from behind wins. People are counting them out when, based on this season’s evidence, they shouldn’t be.
“Does that change the fact that Aceves got lit up? What happened happened, it’s not worth it for me to rip my hair out over this decision.”
No it doesn’t change that fact and it isn’t worth it to rip my hair out over it.
I made the post about Girardi’s managing prior to Ace getting blown up. People tore into me for making my comments so I feel the need to defend myself.
It’s funny that the instant I criticize Girardi all the crazies come out and rip me apart. I don’t mind Girardi’s managing but don’t make him out to be some genius. He does make mistakes, I was simply stating the obvious.
Aceves gave up 5 runs with 2 strikes.
He gets full blame. Not Girardi. Not Andy. Not the offense.
If that were Bruney or someone who did that, he would be slaughtered. Why does Aceves get a free pass and everyone else get blamed?
GGBG bat at bat
I blame Randsom!
Lets add it up
Giradi’s fault
Petite’s fault
Aceves’s fault
Molina’s fault
Tex and Arod’s fault
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=spoiled, whiney, baseball fans.
TEX!!!
O BOY TEX
TEX!!
Alright!!!
Bang.
The biggest problem with the A’s big inning was that it gave Gonzalez a chance to pitch another inning instead of bringing Wuertz in before.
But hey, this game was over, right?
Too bad GGBG wasn’t on base.
C’mon, guys. Just 2 more.
did someone ask for runs this inning
And those extra runs loom large. We can’t come back from 5 runs. Score 3 against Andrew Baily who has been one of the best closers in the AL? No chance.
Ross, Downs is Mike Stanton in his prime, he’d help us.
They aren’t going to erase a 5 run defecit vs this BP..are they?
CC needs to hit in Robertson’s spot. Get him warmed up.
Wow, TAM ran themselves out of a good chance. 9-7 TOR in the bottom of the 8th after a 9-1 lead.
2 more runs! If it wasn’t for Ransom and his karma yankees would be winning!
How much does it hurt now that the A’s scored 5 runs with 2 outs in the seventh inning?
One less hit given up by Aceves and the game would be tied.
Come on guys, the trolls haven’t had much to do around her for so many games. Clearly, they’ve got cabin fever.
It’s just too bad they didn’t jump off their bridges, instead of just hiding under them during winning streaks with their goats and chicken littles.
“No way.. not off this pen. This isin’t Baltimore’s pen. Oakland has one of the best in baseball. If it was 1-2 runs, yeah, not 5.”
The Yanks are coming back.
Come on brother, let’s go back in our hole.
BOOING Arod..terrible
A Rod…LOL…
Does Tex have any dingers from the right side?
Psyluk-
Andy is 37, not 17.
This is the ultimate tease.
Either Melancon/Bruney will give up tack on runs in the 9th to put the game out of reach again, or we will go down 1-2-3 in the 9th.
PL July 25th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
BOOING Arod..terrible
I didn’t hear any boos
A Rod, …..K K ground out, ground out….mr clutch
Whether or not we come back, our team is oe again fighting and not quitting.
Al needs a day off, but really Wertz isn’t as bad as he’s looked this inning, it’s not this easy vs him.
“A Rod…LOL…”
Weren’t you leaving for the day because the game was over?
A-Rod kills a rally, just like he did in Boston when Ramon Ramirez gave up back to back HRs.
carl July 25th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
PL July 25th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
BOOING Arod..terrible
I didn’t hear any boos
Check Again
Did people actually boo Arod? Wow talk about inbred people.
Arod definitely gets the day off tomorrow. He can’t hit anything square…
crap Robi w/ RISP
Alright! tying run up!
Swisher with the hustle!
Rally baby rally!!!
“UPDATE, 3:27 p.m.: Jeter with a Pony League home run over the aux scoreboard in right field. That doesn’t even get to the warning track across the street. But the Captain knows where to hit them here.
What a joke right field is. That’s 159 homers this season, one fewer than all of last season. And it’s July 25.”
Agree 100%
SJ44,
It was very obvious that Pettitte was finished.
He gave up a double, first extra base hit of the game.
Then a walk, first walk of the game.
Then he struggles with Cust, it took him 9 pitches to get him. It took him 7 pitches total in his last two at-bats. Cust stinks against lefties .212/.314/.288. Pettitte clearly struggled to get him out.
At that point, Pettitte was done. He’s an older guy was at 95 pitches and had clearly struggled in the inning. Joe should have pulled him.
Ace pitched very poorly but that isn’t what I’m talking about here. I’m simply commenting on Girardi leaving Pettitte in, which to most unbiased observers was a bad move.
There’s the bloop, now for the blast!
If there is a karma god to all of these neigh saying posters, Cano will hit one into the 2nd deck.
c’mon Cano
lol. You just knew that was going to happen.
They all converged and they had to slow up a bit.
Dazz, I agree with your last post.
It isn’t over yet folks!
He has no puppy so he’s on here looking for attention. I bet he’s STILL not over booing that walk off Alex had in the 11th inning. LOL
What is the over/under Cano swings at first pitch?
We are not hitting 3 HRs off this guy lol
Ziegler/Baily don’t give up any HRs either.
They need Cano to get on then someone to hit a gapper.
they booed Alex as he turned away from first
“A-Rod kills a rally, just like he did in Boston when Ramon Ramirez gave up back to back HRs.”
He hit a double off him that game
This is why we focus so much on those runners they don’t drive in from third.
When you know this team is going to have their comeback every time, every run you tack on early in the game is key.
Think of how different a spot this is if they could have gotten that done. The tying run is in scoring position rather than at the plate.
Yeah, its all Arod’s fault. LOL
What’s funny is, its the same people on here who come up with this stuff.
I think its definitely LOL with Arod. Its so…LOL, the Yankees have the best record in baseball since he has come back.
This has got to be a tease.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 25th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
“A-Rod kills a rally, just like he did in Boston when Ramon Ramirez gave up back to back HRs.”
He hit a double off him that game
That was off Delcarmen. 2 run double
Someone mentioned a few days ago maybe in pressure situations a man on 2nd can steal 1st for Cano..
I’m not a Cano hater, BTW. He’s awesome.
Let’s go Yanks!
well, i guess Cano is due for a big hit…
a lot of those people that go to gamesdont follow the Yankees every day or dont have time. They are sometimes there for a few games a season and when Arod plays bad, they’ll boo. I dont agree with it and get angry at them, but why call them ingrates or inbreds. They are just there to see the team play well and if Arod doesnt succeed they boo. They dont realize that Arod is one of the main reasons we are where we are.
Swish needs to crouch down real low behind the mound so cano doesn’t see him standing there!
CB, Good call on Andy’s outing today….Had Andy be able to pick that ball back thru the box, we wouldn’t be having this nonsense right now…..Yanks climbing back into the game……Patrick the hugger guy, Giradi didn’t make a bone headed move as you suggest…He would have gone to Aceves at anyway…..He’s perform his duties very wel this season as the Skipper of the Yanks…..With all that has gone wrong for his club this season, he has them playing hard everyday……Back up a little and absorb what’s being written it response to your opinions about Giradi….
I find it laughable that the it’s only made a big deal when the Yankees hit “weak homers”. We get it, the new stadium has some “flaws”. However, the visiting teams are still playing with the same dimensions.
Downs is a 33-year old journeyman who has found a niche as a good lefty set-up man. The Yankees have no need to pay what Toronto will want for trading him in the division.
“If there is a karma god to all of these neigh saying posters, Cano will hit one into the 2nd deck.”
I’d run to WFAN studios naked if he were to do that.
This is why booing generally is so stupid. Its not even done legitimately. They boo the guy that is out there playing as often as he can not fully 100% and doing what he can to help the team, for one bad AB out of LOTS of times the guy has come through. How are players supposed to look at it as anything but stupid when its so apparently arbitrary? When they actually boo a player thats not hustling or pitching badly or whatever, it means nothing because the idiots booed another guy for no apparent reason other than “its our right to”.
Insane.
Here comes Mr. 200 with RISP…
The A’s did this on purpose. They wanted to face Robbie as the tying run w/ a RISP instead of having him leadoff the next inning, where he invariably would have gotten a hit.
Let’s hope Cano proves the doubters wrong and FINALLY gets a clutch hit with a man on second.
““UPDATE, 3:27 p.m.: Jeter with a Pony League home run over the aux scoreboard in right field. That doesn’t even get to the warning track across the street. But the Captain knows where to hit them here.”
Pete, give it a rest. Nobody cares anymore. The park is what it is. And if it helps us win, that’s all that matters.
People act like the Yankees are the only ones benefiting from the new park. It’s not like they hit in YS and their opponents have to hit in CitiField. Geez!
Jim, that is a weak defense but you tried.
You know it’s funny. Pete is probably the least biased among us and he agrees Girardi made a mistake leaving Pettitte in.
Why don’t you all rip him? He calls it like he sees it, I try to do the same.
So close……yet so far!
So close!
i thought cano had that for a second
“Whether or not we come back, our team is once again fighting and not quitting.”
Yep.
Psyluk – we don’t need the karma god for anything. He’s already done a beautiful job for those of us who have kept the faith. The others are so on their own.
almost ;(
Laura, if I can remember correctly, the Yanks hit quite a few homers at Citi Field too
Wait, Cano saw 2 pitches…amazing….
I have voice but no picture! Darn MIchael Kay yelling!!
Does anyone know who is up next inning and who is available off the bench?
Melky
Pinch Hitter (hinske?)
Posada
in the 9th
“However, the visiting teams are still playing with the same dimensions.”
Exactly. They have as much chance of hitting HRs out as we do. It’s a level playing field.
Laura: I’m going to write what I feel like writing, sorry. I’m not here to pretend everything is OK. The park is a joke in RF. A joke.
Damon or Hinske to PH in the 9th?
lol. Like Jeter was aiming for that particular section? I’ve never played baseball, but I know enough to know that you can’t park a homerun wherever you want.
Damn, Cano missed a fastball right down the middle…Maybe if there wasn’t anyone on base he would of hit it…
It’s a tease people. tease…
“Laura, if I can remember correctly, the Yanks hit quite a few homers at Citi Field too ”
Very true. I guess it’s just the Mets who can’t hit them out at CitiField.
Randy Choate sighting in Toronto. Remember when he was the LOOGY of the future?
The whole point of “staying too long” with Pettitte is moot when Ace gives up 5 runs.
Even if he “stayed too long” with Pettitte, Ace is ONE strike away from walking off the mound in a 1-1 game.
Instead, Ace, not Andy and not Girardi, put them in a 6-1 hole. That’s not on the manager for staying too long with Pettitte. That’s on Ace for not getting the job done today.
Psyluk July 25th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
If there is a karma god to all of these neigh saying posters, Cano will hit one into the 2nd deck.
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you said it.
I hope you werent referring to me Lara08, like I said, i wasnt defending Patrick. I was giving my opinions and Im not sure what was wrong with any of them. Th extra runs given up are huge. The lack of Tex to get the run home is huge…
Yeah, the joke may be a park, but I stand by my statement.
Cano just missed that one. Just got under the ball.
That the frustration that a good cutter induces. That last bit of movement on the late cut makes it difficult to square the ball up properly.
Either way – terrific rally. This team does not stop.
They pull the walls back when the Yankees go to bat
Nice to see Bobby Crosby finally remembered he is one of the worst players in the Ameruican League.
Nice to see Bobby Crosby finally remembered he is one of the worst players in the Ameruican League.
Psyluk and dtv, it’s almost as if you’re happy that it didnt go out, stay classy.
Anybody know what the upcoming batters are and whos off the bench. Damon?
Yecch…just missed it there.
In the past, I’d be ready to give up on them. But the 2009 Yankees never cease to amaze me. I’m calling a walkoff.
They pull the walls back when the A’s go to bat ***
Why does Cano exhibit zerp patience when he comes up with men on base? Why can’t anoone get it into his head that unless the pitch is right down the moddle, he needs to at least look at a pitch? Girardi, Long or Pena can’t get through to him? Wow.
“4 in the 8th…
2 in the 9th.”
No way.. not off this pen. This isin’t Baltimore’s pen. Oakland has one of the best in baseball. If it was 1-2 runs, yeah, not 5.
Gettin’ nervous Dragon??
“Laura: I’m going to write what I feel like writing, sorry. I’m not here to pretend everything is OK. The park is a joke in RF. A joke.”
Fine, Pete. Knock yourself out, but like I said before, nobody cares. You think if we win the WS, fans will be discounting it because we got a handful of cheapy HRs? I doubt it. It’s a dead issue.
Pat M,
I’ve read every response to my criticisms of Girardi.
Half of them are insults, the other half ignore WHY I criticized him.
I’ve only criticized Girardi’s in-game decisions. Some other very smart posters in here have done the same (CB for one). I think Girardi is too traditional and sometimes it hurts the team. I also think he leaves pitchers in for too long.
Scroll up for why I think Pettitte was done and should have been pulled. Girardi knew it too but Pettitte convinced him to stay in the game.
By the way, people think I blame this loss on Girardi. I don’t. I’m simply defending my initial reaction that Girardi made a bad decision.
If the Yankees end up losing there are many people at fault.
This is stupid just let Melancon pitch. He was already warming up. Melancon gives you the same chance out there as Bruney to pitch a 1,2,3 or give it up.
Despite the comeback, it’s the little stuff that comes back to bite you.
The walk to Garciaparra where you know he would give himself away to move the runner up, and Gardner at 3rd for Teixeira and A-Rod that they couldn’t drive in.
Despite everything else that happens, these were spots that you had to do a better job in. You don’t put the go ahead run on base in a 1-run game, and you have to hit even a weak fly ball to get Gardner, the fastest guy on the team, in from 3rd.
uh oh…last time bruney struck out the 1st 2 in the ninth…lol
sorry Rishi, i see it. Thanks.
No question, RF is a joke. But, so is LF at Fenway Park and most of Citizens Bank.
The way I see it, its like a grounds rule. You learn to take advantage of it until they fix it in the off-season.
They had 3 straight 2-1 games during this homestand.
The place has played short and long during the year.
At some point though, its not going to change so, you just deal with it and move on.
Watch out for Hinske…
Is Melancon the coffee boy for the bullpen? He hasn’t pitched in ages.
If anyone has a chance of learning that cutter it’s Yusssse
Down 2, how will it end
A) close but no cigar
B) w/o a wimper
C) a tease
D) tie it then heartbreaker
IDK why but I’d go w/ B
Jim Pir one July 25th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Psyluk and dtv, it’s almost as if you’re happy that it didnt go out, stay classy.
Anybody know what the upcoming batters are and whos off the bench. Damon?
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What?? I wanted Cano to hit one out and tie the game so that these crybabies would be quiet. He got under it. Please read into the comments.
Yes I was Jim but I was talking about your valiant attempt to defend people who boo and why they do it. Nice, but their booing is just stupid because it generally doesn’t make (baseball) who and when they boo.
“The whole point of “staying too long” with Pettitte is moot when Ace gives up 5 runs.”
You know you’re absolutely right. I made my points about Girardi prior to Ace giving up the runs. From that point onwards I’ve only been defending myself from people like you that jump on after the fact.
Too bad Cano didn’t hit that ball to right field, it would have been out of the park.
oh wait..
It’s not a question of whether it’s a level playing field. Obviously it is. It’s a question of why there are ridiculous dimensions at a new stadium. If Dustin Pedroia hit one into the first row to win a game, you’d all be crying like babies. A MLB field should not be so conducive to HRs, it cheapens the game.
Patrick my responses concerning Girardi have been in an overall sense. IF he didn’t make a good call with Pettitte (I’m not saying he did or didn’t) to that I say BBD. The only perfect person who walked this earth was crucified. If on balance his moves have gotten us to first place despite a spate of injuries and having to play chess with AAA players, then the guy deserves a gold star and nothing else.
This is not to you specifically but IMO people who need to flip out in games because they don’t like the way things are going really need to get a big big grip.
Yankees are in first place. They have won 8 games in a row. No matter what happens today I feel like one of the luckiest people on earth to be a fan of this team. (I will note, however, that I would feel blessed to be a Yankee fan even if they were in last place. They’re my team no matter what. I am blessed to be a fan of this franchise, every second of every day. Not per game, but always.)
*Nice, but their booing is just stupid because it generally doesn’t make (baseball) SENSE who and when they boo.
Was Cano’s really close or look like a HR off the bat.
It might be a joke, Peter – most of us would agree with that. The point being made though, is that BOTH teams out there are playing with the same dimensions, joke or not. All HR’s hit there are *cheap*, regardless of the team.
The right field dimensions have as much potential to work against the Yankees pitching, as they do to work for the Yankees offense.
“If there is a karma god to all of these neigh saying posters, Cano will hit one into the 2nd deck.”
I think your Karma just ran over Lohud’s Cano dogma
This was, by far, the best Bruney has looked since coming back.
This was similar to the way he looked earlier in the year. In the zone. Not overthrowing. Overpowering hitters.
Another good sign from the day.
Who bats for Bruney? Hinske?
Melk dud, Hinske, and Posada…
I don’t have a problem with that AB from Cano. He just missed that pitch.
Although the results weren’t there, that was a better AB for him with a runner in scoring position.
Its just not a strength of his game. You just have to take for what it is and hope for marginal improvement as the season goes on.
Much better outing for Bruney in a close game. That’s a positive.
Okay, Bruney did the job there.
BLOOP
BLAST
TIE
PIE
What the heck, when they showed coming up batters they had Bruney up second. lol
okay Lara08. I completely understand. But the people that go dont always know about the team and there to see their team win one of the few times they go. They are not right for booing, but not ingrates. To be honest, they may not even be Yankees fans.
Is there a quota? 15 more articles about the dimensions and they will magically fix themselves overnight?
No one said the park hasn’t been HR friendly but people will complain just like you will write about it as you like Pete. Goes both ways.
Brandon – I’m going to go with C. They’ll get one guy on, and he will be stranded.
RF is a joke, but I have been surprised that the Yankees have not been more hurt by it. They have strike out pitchers and HR hitters so at least they have the right type of team. Pettitte is the only one who’s having an issue with the park.
“Watch out for Hinske…”
Mall Cop has a big hit left in him but not against this OAK BP. He’ll get one this season, just like he should have vs TOR but it’ll prbly end the same way.
Well, I dont really agree with any booing, Lara.
I would never do it myself – even after a bad performance. I think silence speaks volumes, and sometimes speaks louder even than boos.
But it would at least make somewhat a little sense, if they ONLY did it when someone had a really bad pitching performance or when someone didn’t hustle.
There is no rhyme or reason to it currently, other than an “it’s our right to” mentality.
Be great if they pinch hit CC…can anybody say Micah Owings?
Brandon,
B. They’ll go down 1-2-3.
YankeesLuv
July 25th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
What the heck, when they showed coming up batters they had Bruney up second. lol
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Lost the DH when Matsui PH for Ransom
Pete – you sound like those unclassy NY fans booing!
“What a joke right field is. That’s 159 homers this season, one fewer than all of last season. And it’s July 25.”
I wonder – how many of the 159 homers are ones that have been made simply because right field is a joke?
Pesky’s Pole is one of the biggest jokes in baseball. It’s absurd.
Nick Green hit a pop up that would have would have been a foul ball in other park and wrapped it around the pole and won a game for the Sox.
The Astros, Phillies and Rockies have launching pads among others.
It’s part of the game.
Rally caps – ON!
Who wants pie? I’ve been calling for Jeter all year….
Go O’s later…
“A MLB field should not be so conducive to HRs, it cheapens the game.”
Absolutely agree.
You just don’t comeback vs these type of arms. Wert+Bailey have been lights out.
“A MLB field should not be so conducive to HRs, it cheapens the game.”
True, but there’s nothing we can do about it now. Why do we have to complain about something we can’t fix? That would be like Pedroia complaining that he’s not 6′ tall. There’s nothing he can do about it so why waste the energy?
alright!! tying run to the plate
JJ July 25th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Brandon,
B. They’ll go down 1-2-3.
OR NOT
Let’s go Yankees
Tampa just made it 9-8 off a Carlos Pena solo homer in the 9th. Its awfully quiet in Toronto. It was once 9-1.
Funny how much smaller the strike zone has gotten as the game has progressed.
I’m glad teh Yanks are reaping the benefits, but come on blue, a little consistence please.
Lead-off walk. Melky’s got the batting eye “on” today.
Tampa down by 1….
Lets go Johnny!! Hit a Cheapie!! Hit a Pony league shot!! Tie it up!
Laura – I’m ready for the 2nd half. Are the Yankees?? Why, yes they are!!
July 25th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
“A MLB field should not be so conducive to HRs, it cheapens the game.”
True, but there’s nothing we can do about it now. Why do we have to complain about something we can’t fix? That would be like Pedroia complaining that he’s not 6? tall. There’s nothing he can do about it so why waste the energy?
it can be fixed and it never should have been an issue. it’s called PISS POOR PLANNING
Hopefully we’ll be able to rename the RF pole “Hinske’s Pole”.
Just not today. Let’s go, Johnny.
I would pinch hit Hinske not Damon. Damon hasn’t been swinging the bat well at all. It seems like ever since the injuries started about 2 weeks ago..
“You just don’t comeback vs these type of arms. Wert+Bailey have been lights out”
your better than that brandon….if thats the case then papelbon, krod and nathan would never blow games
Pete, while I generally agree with that comment, who’s to say that the Stadium will play this way after the old stadium is knocked down later on? The park’s dimensions are nearly identical to the old one, save 5 feet in right field. Did they anticipate it to be a homer haven? It’s safe to say that they didn’t. But it doesn’t mean that it necessarily cheapens the game because it plays a certain way. One of the reasons why I love baseball is because of the individual quirks in the stadiums. Do Petco Park and Citi Field cheapen the game because they’re gigantic caverns? Does Houston cheapen the game with the hill in center field? If this was the case, then it would be just as well to alter the dimensions of every stadium so that they all played the same. Obviously this is impossible, so we might as well learn to appreciate the stadium that’s currently here until the team makes the appropriate changes, which based on many complaints, they probably will in the near future. But for now, I’d have to take Laura’s side on this argument.
“Brandon – I’m going to go with C. They’ll get one guy on, and he will be stranded.”
Your looking to be the correct guy so far.
Pete,
That’s true. However, nobody with the Yankees thought the place would play this short in right.
Since they can’t change it in season, you deal with the good and the bad of the place.
That’s all you can do.
Personally, I find Fenway a joke of a ballpark in left and along the Pesky Pole. It shortens that ballpark and allows for some cheap HR’s.
They will fix it in the off-season. For now though, you have to take the good with the bad.
Makes for fun games though!
Come on Johnny!
good late-inning things start with Melky
Now the A team coming to bad…amazing….DP here?
Tampa just tied it with an Aybar solo!
Both teams are playing on the same field. It’s just the Yankees take more advantage of the demensions because they have the lineup to do so.
And their pitching is usually better then the opposition.
Gees Toronto..thanks
“If Dustin Pedroia hit one into the first row to win a game, you’d all be crying like babies.”
The fact is, the joke that is the “Green Monster” in Fenway is the rteason Dustin Pedroia has almost twice as many career doubles at home than on the road.
But right field in the new Stadium is indeed a fiasco. It wasn’t in the old Stadium. There was no need to create something so embarrasing after spending $1.5 billion. Chalk it up to the same poor planning that gave you obstructed view Bleacher seats. Just becasue Fenway has a laughable dimension doesnt mean we want one too.
o snap
Rays were losing 8-0….I think the fix is in
oh snap!
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!
YES!!! Come on Yanks!
Yes!!!! Winning run at the plate.
We need to win. 9-9 in Tampa.
joerge be patient
Bunt
Jetes, this *might* be the time for a bunt.
double steal?
C) a tease ?
The stadium is the way it is..There is no reaosn to cry about it everytime a homerun is hit. It won’t help to change the dimensions…
whatever happens, please for the love of all that is holy just no DPs
Ah, nevermind. Posada’s up.
Not only does this team not quit, they are upping Bailey’s pitchcount and may make him unavailable for tomorrow.
bunt posada…bunt
Bunt with Jorge?
Bailey doesn’t have great control for a reliever. And he’s tightening up right now.
All of the yankee come backs this season are context right now that bailey is dealing with.
Why didn’t anybody ever complain about the Kingdom, Tropicana, Fenway, Philly, Cinncy, Texas and Chicago? They’re every bitthe so called band box that The stadium is. My guess is that it doesn’t make enough of a story. Check the ball. It says Titleist.
I never get the game on saturday!
gameday makes me feel like a crackhead.
Sorry didn’t realize Jorge was up
This is so going to come down to Alex. You can just feel it.
Wooo hoo! We got forks… knives.. garlic & cheese.
Bring on 2 baserunners.
Bring on the spaghetti.
Now all we need is the meatball!
Don’t try to do too much here. Just swing at strikes and make the kid work.
Please no DP!!!
I wish they do a DP. Posada is a DP waiting…
Everyone mentions how the Green Monster is a joke, but no one mentions how it’s a scant 302 feet to Pesky’s pole in right
Patrick the hugger guy, Giradi goes with his gut and stays with the Veteran Pettite….Gives him a chance to work out of the jam as it’s a reward for pitching such a very uplifting rebound game….Confidence is very important in sports, especially a struggling pitcher…..I have no problem with that decision…Then Aceves grooves a 0-2 pitch and here we are…..Giradi is paid to make these calls, his job is based on such decisions…..We sit back and critque them…..
“that run that Tex and A Rod didn’t bring home could hurt us”…good call RDM
looks like it will be a tease.
* double steal
pain..
A double play is inexcusable there!
Darn. Killer DP.
Posada
CaptainsCorner July 25th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
I wish they do a DP. Posada is a DP waiting…
WHY
A double steal would’ve gone a long way there…
Wow that stinks.
Oh Jorge.
i said double steal
Tease people.
Posada swings at a ball in the dirt…..
“it can be fixed and it never should have been an issue.”
It can’t be fixed NOW so whining about it now is a waste of energy.
seriously?
Terribe job by Posada.
Why didn’t the Yankees try a double steal wth Damon and Melky to stay out of the DP?
Terribe job by Posada.
Why didn’t the Yankees try a double steal wth Damon and Melky to stay out of the DP?
If Ace didn’t give up 5 runs the game would be over with a Yankee win by now. -Even better call
Exactly what I just said. Posada is one of the last people you want up in that spot because of the zero speed.
“bunt Posada, bunt” good call RDM
he walks 2 guys and posadas up there hacking at the first 3 pitches he sees…terrible baseball
oh well
It’s okay. Nice fight. Get em tomorrow.
Tough loss. Oakland had the hits and made the pitches when they had to, the Yankees didn’t. Better luck tomorrow with Mitre.
can jeter do it again?
tying runs aboard and people want melky freaking cabrera to steal 3rd???
stop being results-oriented. it happens.
Maybe Jeter should go to Fenway and hit 278 homer/popups to right like those clowns do!
Fenway where journeyman righthanded hitters get traded and become RedSox legends.
LIKE I SAID….SHOULD HAVE HAD POSADA BUNT!! He’s a great DP candidate and bunting would have been safe with jeter comin up next…this is where people say…
BAD COACHING BY GIRARDI!! HE DOES NOTHING!
I feel like Posada always hits into a double play in that spot.
even if they can’t tie it, just once can we have a legit 9th inning threat not killed by DPs?
they fought…its the pitching the hurt today but thats gonna happen…
yet people will whine and complain for no good reason…
get’em tommorrow.
Runners on 1st and 2nd, 0 outs…0 runs…typical
Toronto blows an 8-0 lead to Tampa. Scott Downs pretty much flunking his tests the last two nights.
Gives up 2 HR’s in the 9th and can’t close the deal.
Sigh. This team always makes it exciting, you have to say that.
The bats will come out for Mitre tomorrow. 3 of 4 against a hot lineup isn’t bad.
Dont appreciate the double play and the fact he was not up there taking pitches against a rattled Bailey throwing balls.
Bummer, tough loss.
Oh well, can’t win them all. Win tomorrow and take the series.
The Yankees need to try and MAKE things happen for once.
A double steal with Melky and Damon, Melky scores on Posada’s grounder (Damon moves to third) and Damon scores on Jeter’s flyball. Game tied.
Instead we wait for a very good pitcher to give up a HR. That’s not always going to happen.
Ace came in to a 1-1 game and left 6-1 that is where the Yankees lost this one.
Downs is giving it up to TB in TOR. You people sure you want him on the Yankees?
That inning reminded me of the Indians playoff game where nobody could get a hit or ball out of the infield with the bases loaded.
I guess a current 8-1 homestand isn’t good enough for some.
“Why didn’t the Yankees try a double steal wth Damon and Melky to stay out of the DP?”
Because Bailey is a huge swing and miss guy. He’s striking out 10.5/9. He’s got very good stuff.
The risk of a swing and miss/ throw out there was very big if they tried to run.
so are losses like wins? up to the official scorer’s discretion?
“even if they can’t tie it, just once can we have a legit 9th inning threat not killed by DPs?”
these comments make me much mader than the loses…
If Posada bunted, it would have surprsed the defense…never know, could have gotten a hit if you bunted to 3rd baseman….
“LIKE I SAID….SHOULD HAVE HAD POSADA BUNT!! He’s a great DP candidate and bunting would have been safe with jeter comin up next…this is where people say…
BAD COACHING BY GIRARDI!! HE DOES NOTHING!”
LMAO
“I feel like Posada always hits into a double play in that spot.”
If that had been A-Rod, he would have been booed out of the park.
The following people are complete morons: RDM, RS, Jake
Feel free to add your name to the list.
What did Jorge work the count to?
so much for that… aceves the heel of this game…
oh well.
Guess I’m one of the few who is fine with this. They tried to come back and just fell short. Since I know the Yankees won’t win every game I still feel pride in all they do game in and game out. They are one heck of a good ball club.
GO ORIOLES!
jake July 25th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
LIKE I SAID….SHOULD HAVE HAD POSADA BUNT!! He’s a great DP candidate and bunting would have been safe with jeter comin up next…this is where people say…
BAD COACHING BY GIRARDI!! HE DOES NOTHING!
Do you honestly think Posada is capable of getting a bunt down. He’s a number 5 or 6 hitter he would have not gotten a good bunt down and they may have even gotten the double play on his bunt regardless
Meh, oh well, can’t win them all.
I still like the fight they showed. That and the fact Bruney looked better today. Him getting back on track, would be nothing but good.
Good things:
-Andy had terrific stuff today
-GGBG with the big knock and two great saves in the field
-Yankees never gave up
Back at ‘em tomorrow.
Aceves will probably be collecting his payoff now that Girardi won’t have to get a Swish-hawk.
New winning streak starts tomorrow. Take it easy…on each other. Laters.
That is an absolutely putrid job by the Jays bullpen to give up 8 runs in the last 3 innings.
Come on Jays……and O’s……..
Losses always bring out the tards
Posada was way too over agressive. Swinging at anything thrown up there. It stinks you get 2 walks and then a bad at bat to erase anything you had going and the game..
What a disgraceful job there by Posada.
Terrible loss for the Yankees, especially considering they had more than enough chances to get it done and just flat out fell apart.
The guy just walked the first hitters, so what does he do? HE SWINGS AT THE FIRST PITCH.
But luckily for him, he only fouled it out of play. So what does he do then?
HE SWINGS AT A PITCH IN THE DIRT.
So now he’s 0-2, no outs, tying runs on base. So what does he do? He continues to try to hit a 3-run HR, chasing another ball up and in and hitting into the game losing double play.
Everyone had a tough at bat in the 9th, except for Posada. But that’s what happens when you have 1 or 2 guys who deviate from the game plan and try to be the hero. That’s why people get so mad at Cano’s first pitch swinging when they are working a guy’s pitch count and other similar plays.
If you aren’t a team player, you can undo everything that everyone else just worked so hard for. Baseball is a team game, and some of these guys need to have that drilled into their heads.
So Jorge kills the rally and the Jays blow a HUGE lead. Bad start to the afternoon
Every MLB player should know how to bunt….that is fundementals people, period….
Hey RS. I think that is even worse than what they did, because Melky would have been out at 3rd, he’s not a base stealer, and def not gonna be successful with stealing third. They should have BUNTED! Guys pitch differently in that pressure.
But a double steal wouldnt have been good, maybe having the runners going so there wouldnt be a double play, sure but a double steal would have been depressing if they didnt make it and would have been criticized for a long time.
Tampa’s offense is just devestating. It’s why what Buehrle did was so impressive.
Still, a horrific choke by Toronto. They’ve pretty much mailed it in at this point.
Aceves gets a pass.
Really? Who are these useful idiots railing on him? Is this the first game they’ve watched all year?
That would be the only excuse for comments like that.
“The Yankees need to try and MAKE things happen for once.
A double steal with Melky and Damon, Melky scores on Posada’s grounder (Damon moves to third) and Damon scores on Jeter’s flyball. Game tied.”
how do you know melky steals 3rd…whats the last time he even tried to do that…hes not a base stealler
Matt
we watched the game…we don’t need a recap
“I guess a current 8-1 homestand isn’t good enough for some.”
Now THOSE are the ones karma will continue to haunt. The rest of us will just go on enjoying the hell out of this season!
“Andy had terrific stuff today”….Maybe for the first 5 innings…gave up 4ER in 6.1 IP…not great stuff
Posada bunt? LOL, sure that makes sense.
The guy who with one swing can win the game for you, take the bat out of hands and have him bunt, even though he can’t bunt.
Ah, second guessing, nothing like it.
I see another terrific performance by Scott Downs
Alright.. i’ll channel the sheeple for a second. See if makes me feel smart.
Terrible loss! Worst loss of the season! Posada is today’s goat!
/end channeling
Nope. I feel pretty stupid, actually.
“If you aren’t a team player, you can undo everything that everyone else just worked so hard for. Baseball is a team game, and some of these guys need to have that drilled into their heads.”
YOU tell them brother. When was the last time Posada EVER moved a runner over?
Mama said I got the good looks, but YOU got the brains.
Oh well, tough game……need some help from Toronto and O’s tonight….
can we get a vote out to ban matt? hes so useless its not funny…he does nothing but complain complain complain…
Ya but the chances that he’s gonna win the game over a double play are slim. You go with the numbers and the safest way in my opinion.
Lets just hope guthrie owns the red sox tonight
People don’t realize that Posada hit the longest HR in the stadium’s brief history yesterday at 448 feet. But sure, bunting a guy who’s probably the 2nd slowest guy on the team makes perfect sense.
Toronto blows a 8-0 lead. Wow.
Matt do you know RDM?
Maybe you too can start IM each other and leave us out of it.
Can’t win ‘em all…
Also, don’t trade for Scott Downs.
I stand by my statement. Andy looked good today.
Man this is a tough crowd here….Even on a 8 game winning streak it’s not enough…No you add a lose and it’s time to hide the women and children……And now Matt’s in the house…..Take cover…..
“YOU tell them brother. When was the last time Posada EVER moved a runner over?
Mama said I got the good looks, but YOU got the brains.”
YESTERDAY YOU FOOL…i know..i was there!
Matt what a disgraceful post. Like you could play the game better? Manage better? What are your credentials for your constant criticism. You just suck the joy out of everything don’t you?
Sure does SJ, you bunt him, maybe a hit becuase the D wouldn’t be expecting it and would give Yanks 2 chances to tie the game….
Psyluk July 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
I guess a current 8-1 homestand isn’t good enough for some.
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nice strawman.
And people were crucifying Aceves and wanted Scott Downs to replace him lmao
i like the way battled to the end, great sign, can’t win them all
if the jays have in fact mailed it in, and halladay gets traded somewhere, good news for the yankees as they have 11 games left with them
It’s not a matter of having Posada bunt or not. It’s a matter of Posada getting himself out, and worse, hitting into a DP in doing so after 2 guys just fought out some really tough at bats off the guy.
Posada went up there trying to hit a 3-R HR and was way overaggressive. That’s what the real problem was.
He walked the first 2 guys for a reason- he’s nibbling on the corners. He’s not going to just throw it down the middle, he’s pitching it out there for a reason in this ballpark. Going up there trying to do so much off a guy who is not easy to hit is just foolish, especially when he’s more than content to give away free passes and do the job for you.
Andy was great for 6 innings today. But Girardi and Eiland have to make the decision on when he is finished on there own. It should of been after the walk to non hitting Nomar. If not than definitely after the hit up the middle. Like Leiter said the pitcher is NEVER going to to tell the manager that he is finished. So Girardi going out there to ask him really was really useless.
Having Posada bunt runners over is like asking Shaquille O’Neal to play point guard. The reason you don’t have them do it is because they don’t have the experience or the skill set necessary to do so. If it was a guy like Gardner or even Jeter up there, you could think about it, but not Posada.
Good thing to add to m’s:
Jeter, Damon, Posada, Matsui, Coke, Hughes and Mo rested for tomorrow.
Nice to see Matt springs up out of nowhere with his typical garbage.
Andy did a good job though.
Braden is one of the best pitchers in the league and we have our #5 against him.
This ain’t Rich Hill we’re matched up against.
Very good chance we lost the final 2 after taking the first 2.
I’ll add Bruney looking a lot better to the good things.
Lester v. Guthrie?
not good
Psluk….a MLB player should have the skills to bunt..it is fundemental…you don’t see it used as much today as in the past. Bunting is one of the first things you learn playing baseball…he didn’t do and that is that…I would have called for it…chances of bunting moving runner over are a better pct. than hitting a walk off 3 run homer or a DP ball like he did…
Yanks loss control of this game when Texeria didn’t get Gardner in with a drawn in infield…..Sorry for the mispellinh from the previous comment, didn’t have the now needed reading glasses…..Matt are you staying for dinner ????
“Braden is one of the best pitchers in the league and we have our #5 against him.”
……..ummmmm…….yea…….
Mitre looks to pass the baton to AJ
These are freebee games on the schedule and we’re giving them away. Their team is demoralized after trading away their best player and they send their worst pitcher to the mound and we lose.
And they have their ace against an AAA pitcher tomorrow. Talk about a missed opportunity.
it is fine to rest players but imho girardi should not rest 2 regulars at the same time.
melky & gardner or hinske & swish don’t count because they have not sepparated themselves from one another.
so if you have posada & damon off or arod & cano it is a bad idea.
this can be done.
posada,damon,arod,jeter,matsui,cano,tex can be given time off without having to rest two of them.
Lester pitching for Sox…win for them…1.5 games up heading into tomorrow…..
The Yankees have a chance to win every game they play. That’s a good thing but it also makes the losses doubly frustrating.
Today, there were a couple instances that could have changed the game around.
If Tex had gotten Gardner in with a sac fly, Pettitte probably goes after Nomar more aggressively, not caring whether he advances the runner. With just a 1 run lead, I think he walked him to set up the DP.
Aceves had Powell 0-2 with 2 outs and threw a fastball down the middle. That was poor pitch selection AND poor execution. In total, Ace gave up 5 runs with 2 outs, which REALLY hurt.
And then of course the DP in the ninth inning. The Yankees might not have scored 2 runs anyway, but that DP defiitely took a lot of air out of the team.
-Andy had terrific stuff today
-GGBG with the big knock and two great saves in the field
-Yankees never gave up
-Jeter, Damon, Posada, Matsui, Coke, Hughes and Mo rested for tomorrow
-Bruney looked good
-Robertson, too
Can’t believe the Jays have coughed up a 9-1 lead after six, but those Rays are for real. One bad run by either us or the Sox and they’ll be right up there with us. Jays are a million to one to win now.
“Going up there trying to do so much off a guy who is not easy to hit is just foolish, especially when he’s more than content to give away free passes and do the job for you.”
YES! the pitcher was more than content to walk Posada. Why did he swing at all?
It’s not easy having an Einstein for a brother.
Braden has the 8th best ERA in the AL at 3.40.
Have a good night all…how about Mark Calcavecchia (sp)….9 birdies in a row today!!! WOW>>>>
Garbage? Funny.
How can you defend that at bat Posada just had? The guy walked 2 hitters in a row, and he swung at the first pitch, chased a pitch that bounced on home plate, and then hit into a DP to cap off his horrible at bat trying to do too much.
You have to be patient and swing at strikes. You can’t go up there trying to hit a HR on every pitch and help the pitcher out, especially not after he just walked 2 guys. Some of these hitters try to take matters into their own hands, rather than keep the line moving.
There’s a difference between doing that with 2 outs as the tying run, as Jeter tried to do, and with no outs and the tying runs on base. Situational hitting, it’s what’s really hurting the Yankees in these kinds of games. The runner at 3rd with less than 2 outs was huge as well, because the tying run would have been in scoring position each of the last 2 innings and they could have stopped taking such big swings.
“Can’t believe the Jays have coughed up a 9-1 lead after six, but those Rays are for real. One bad run by either us or the Sox and they’ll be right up there with us. Jays are a million to one to win now.”
Bingo. If this turns into a slump, Tampa is going to come storming back. This upcoming series is big.
RDM, try telling that to the hundreds of players in the majors that probably don’t know how to execute a proper bunt down one of the lines to move the runner over. I’m not disagreeing with you that it might not be a bad idea to bunt runners over, but I don’t see the point in complaining about Posada NOT bunting a player over when he clearly doesn’t know how to do it. When has a power hitter ever been used to bunt runners over to 2nd and third? Bunting may have been more prevalent when there were more punch and judy hitters, but not in today’s game. That’s just the way it is and that’s the way they’re going to play it, regardless of our own opinions on it.
eeeek – 2 runs on 2 hits to give up the game in the top of the 9th?
Toronto can keep Downs
Matt, when was the last time you played professional baseball?
Gotta get out of here. The Posada hate is embarrasing to read.
Here’s some facts to leave you with. In ’09 with runners on 1st & 2nd base Posada’s hitting .318 with a .400 obp and 8 rbi. In 134 at bats and the team is within 2 runs he’s a .280 hitter with a .367 obp with 9 doubles,7 home runs and has driven in 31.
The game isnt that easy, especially with an All Star pitcher on the mound. Relax and forgive Jorge for not getting it done this time. Good night.
Now its time for all the moronic game predictions for tomorrow from the people who are wrong 100% of the time on here.
Its so funny to see so much whining from the usual suspects.
Since tomorrows game is already “over”, hopefully you will all play in traffic tomorrow and avoid this place.
Sandman, no game is a “freebie” game. Thats ridiculous. We are 8-1 since the ASB people!. CALM DOWN.
RDM- your right, bunting is the first thing you work on. But as major league players, they all have certain things they do better than others, whether it be playing defense, speed, or having a good eye. Jorge Posada was never blessed with speed or the ability to bunt. If Brett Gardner was up then no doubt he should bunt. Its tough to ask a guy to physically go outside what he is capable of because of the situation. You just hope for the best there and maybe he gets a big hit.
Even if Posada knows how to bunt (I’m sure he could), is it the right call?
A base hit or homerun negates the argument. I didn’t see a single call for a bunt by Posada before the at-bat. So that’s second guessing all the way.
They Yankees were going to go down swinging, not by having Jorge Posada play small ball.
If you watched the Yankees over the years, they ALWAYS have these games where they just don’t show up. Mostly against bad teams and on Saturday’s.
Agreed Psyluk, but sometimes I think the element of surprise would work…if I would have Ortiz and Giambi but a lot more down 3rd base when the shift is on than they do,, they would get on every time….have a good day
Well that’s what I said. A turning point in the game was the Teixeira at bat where they couldn’t elevate a ball and get Gardner in from 3rd base. That’s a spot where you put up a few extra runs and Oakland probably mails it in the last few innings, as they have nothing left to play for.
But the Yankees had plenty of chances still to win the game and didn’t. It’s nice to see them come back, but it’s also incredibly frustrating to see them not take advantage of these situations as well. When you have a spot like Posada or Aceves was in, you can’t fall apart and let it get so out of hand. You have to limit the damage.
Andrew Baily has a 2.06 ERA. He is one of the best closers in the game.
He gets no credit for getting out of the jam?
Hating on Posada from the usual no noting crybabies. Amazing.
Even an 8 game losing streak can’t satisfy them. They are now projecting losses for the next several days.
Funny stuff.
I don’t know, SJ. Last time they all came out to make their sky is falling predictions, Mitre did a pretty decent job. Same with Andy’s last start – he was done.
Just consider them good luck trolls or something, lol.
Hey, if MO can get walked…Posada can bunt LOL
“Matt, when was the last time you played professional baseball?”
My brother was a little league ALL STAR.
He knows more than all of you put together.
He never hit into a DP in his life.
eeeek – 2 runs on 2 hits to give up the game in the top of the 9th?
Toronto can keep Downs”
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Downs has been tremendous again this year, pitching to a 2.08 ERA and a 1.02 WHIP in 30.1 IP. A case could be made that he’s been the most underappreciated reliever in the American League over the last few seasons.
*Foot in mouth time*
MLB – The Show does NOT constitute playing professional baseball.
I still fear the Sox and LA which Yanks have trouble beating….and we got Tampa on Monday which is a big 3 game set….
Well, if they had a toy stuffed goat, it would go to Aceves today. But tish happens. Etch-a-sketch loss.
The only thing “fundamental” is the fundamentally stupid notion Posada should bunt.
He’s a guy who with one swing can hit a HR to win the game.
You don’t have him bunt. That’s the wrong play there.
He hit into a DP. Get over it and move on.
If he hit a GW HR, I doubt you would be posting, “He should have bunted”.
See, this is the problem.
You always tip your cap to the opposing player. How about Posada stops swinging at pitches that bounce on home plate? I’ll give him credit when he makes a great pitch to get out of it, but not when the Yankees get themselves out. You have to take responsibility for your own performance.
When Papelbon keeps loading the bases with no outs and striking out the side, do you give him credit for being a great closer? He walked the bases loaded in a 1 or 2 run game, that’s terrible! He got the outs, but he doesn’t deserve the credit if the team starts pressing and swinging at pitches out of the zone to strike themselves out, because a more patient team would have made him pay.
While Posada did have a terrible at bat, asking him to bunt is stupid. We just won 8 games in a row and now louhud thinks we are the worst team in the league lol
Pete I respect all the work you do and everything, but your pretty annoying with the Cano and Melky bashing.. It’s pathetic, Gardner is horrible at the plate.. He takes to many pitches and tries slapping everything.. and ohh yeah he can’t bunt to use his speed.. His arm is bullcrap, he throws maybe 80 feet… the team is best when melky is in CF and you know that..
“How can you defend that at bat Posada just had?”
No need to defend it. “That’s baseball” explains it though.
Hey Matt, how about not being such an ignorant crybaby?
How has Posada been on this homestand? He’s been crushing the ball. He hit a HR last night and also had another clutch double in another win on the homestand.
Really, give it a rest. They aren’t going to go undefeated the rest of the year.
Aside from Joe Mauer, Posada has been the best offensive C in the league.
Stop with the second guessing nonsense. It makes no sense, even for you.
Today’s loss is fine as long as the Yankees come out and win tomorrow.
Losing two in a row to the A’s heading into a 3 game set with the Rays would not be ideal.
I know Braden is a tough pitcher but I like what I saw from Mitre in his first start, and I have confidence in our offense.
Repko July 25th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
If you watched the Yankees over the years, they ALWAYS have these games where they just don’t show up. Mostly against bad teams and on Saturday’s.
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I read that a couple of time today — a so called Saturday slump.
Does anyone have any stats? What’s the Yankee’s record on Saturday day games and Saturday Night games?
It is baseball, but you can’t go and say it’s “bad luck” or something either. He had a horrible approach and pretty much took himself out of the at bat with the 0-1 chase on the breaking ball that bounced on home plate nearly. Once you saw that approach you knew what the result would most likely be.
Posada did a bad job. It’s not an expectation that he always come through and the like, but that he at least give himself a chance to see a good pitch to hit, which he didn’t. If Posada was in a 2-2 count and he struck him out on a tough cutter down and in, tip your cap to the pitcher, but when he goes up there swinging at everything, that’s more on him.
New York fans are a joke?
Right field is a joke?
Cano “pop to left”…wasn’t it a drive to the warning track?
Grow up a little Pete…don’t just find things to criticize because you don’t have anything else to say.
Just wasn’t a bunting situation imo.
Toronto’s at home, and the batter bunts the leadoff guy to second. In a tie game.
The Yankees were down 2 runs in the last inning. That’s not the time to give away outs.
Pete is right, our fans ARE a joke. Look at this thread after one loss.
And the stadium is an even bigger joke.
Where is “stuart”?
I want to hear his take after this game.
“It is baseball, but you can’t go and say it’s “bad luck” or something either.”
I said nothing about bad luck. Sometimes, “That’s baseball” is the only explanation necessary.
If Posada hacked away and hit it out of the park, there would be no complaining about approach. Approach only comes into question when results aren’t what you are looking for. Just turn the page and look forward to tomorrow.
The same SJ…if Posada bunted, got the runners over or even got a hit out of it, Yanks tie or win it…you would be sitting there saying it was a good play….
So Matt,Your little brother was a 12 year old Little League All-Star, very nice achievemnet…..The question was asked of you, what is your baseball accomplishments ????
Really, give it a rest SJ.
I get it that you are so loyal to these dynasty players that you will give them a pass for anything, but you can’t go and say they did a great job when they didn’t.
Nowhere is anybody going and saying these guys are terrible and making sweeping generalizations. Sorry that you don’t like the comments, but putting words in peoples’ mouths does not make your point any stronger.
He had a horrible at bat there with the game on the line. Tomorrow, he could hit a 3-run HR with the game on the line. It doesn’t change the fact that he had a horrible at bat today with the game on the line. To state such is not to be irrational or to be a crybaby/bridge jumper/red sox or mets fan.
Credit is given where credit is due, and criticism is given where criticism is due. It’s one game, but that doesn’t mean that a guy couldn’t possibly have made a mistake. It happened, so stop being so defensive and getting insulted when somebody points out a mistake made by one of your “boys.”
I just got back from my day out – disappointing to find out the Yanks had lost. However, you can’t win them all. Most importantly, how’d Andy look? Thanks!
Works both ways SJ. In my opinion, I would have bunted him, they didn’t, he hit into a DP…your right, get over it…it is done
Watching this Blue Jays game, I just want to thank the good lord for making me a Yankees fan.
Alex could, should, might get a day off tomorrow. Glad Girardi cleared that up.
Oh, I guess he didn’t pitch well – 6 runs? Too bad he couldn’t build on the Baltimore start…
Today’s loss isin’t a big deal.
if we lose tomorrow, then it will be very disappointing.
That means we would have won the 1st 2 games at home against a last place team, and ended up with only spliting the series.
Hope the offense decides to show up tomorrow.
I don’t think SJ has ever been wrong…maybe he should manage the Yanks LOL
pat,
I wasn’t referring to you necessarily with the “bad luck” comment, but moreso to the general attitude that people take when they outright refuse to ever call out a mistake. People see everything that doesn’t go their way as bad luck, and they miss the overall picture which is that the bad approach sets up the bad result.
He could have just as easily drilled those pitches into the seats and won the game, definitely, but then you think back to the situation and realize that this is a guy with good control who is nibbling just off the corners. He’s not missing in a sense where he will come back over the plate, he’s going to keep throwing it to the corners and has good stuff. So do you think he should then go up there taking such big swings in that spot? He could, but that wouldn’t be giving him the best chance to succeed given the situation most likely, and especially not after he chased the curveball on 0-1.
It was bad luck that he hit it hard right at the 2B, but also not bad luck that he had a bad at bat and was in a spot where he would be likely to do so because he put himself way behind in a count.
Since we lost today’s game, Girardi probably isin’t going to rest A-Rod tomorrow. Atleast I hope not. Braden is tough enough as it is, taking out our best player will be brutal. And Ransom again?
“Oh, I guess he didn’t pitch well – 6 runs? Too bad he couldn’t build on the Baltimore start…”
How bout 3 runs. Just cause the score is 6-1 doesn’t mean it was Pettitte’s fault.
O/T
I refuse to watch any 4pm Fox broadcast.
For a Yankee fan, the MLB package is only good for 6 days a week.
I have been forced to find it for free on the Internet, even though I am a subscriber.
Shame on you Fox and Bud Selig.
Jeter just said it best. Sometimes the other team is going to win.
DUH!
Get over it. You complainers are crazy (IMO).
And Matt, if your brother was a little league all star – I believe that’s what you said – have a nice conversation with him on how even all stars sometimes strike out.
And ANYONE who criticizes Posada’s offense is, IMO, a whackadoo.
Let it go. It’s over. No amount of postmortem on the part of any second guesser will change the outcome!
Oh yeah, the Yanks are 8-1 on this homestand…
“They booed. Classy. What great fans in New York, right?”
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Pete –
I live in Southern California, and have been a fan of Yankee baseball since 1964. I have been to quite a few Dodger and Angels games, and I believe the fans in New York are the best in baseball. They can be rough simply because they are not going to settle for less than the best from the guys who put on the pinstripes. But, no crowd cheers as loudly, or with more enthusiasm, than Yankee fans.
Won’t matter anyway if Philly gets Halladay…they should coast to a WS win
Geez, I see people killing Alex for apparently not coming through with a runner on third. I honestly hope the same clowns don’t cheer him when he does well – ridiculous. Alex may need a whole day off. The question is, can Joe forgo one day of Alex and give him what he needs or will he just continue to think that Alex gives him the best chance to win THAT day and ignore the doctor’s rules?
“And ANYONE who criticizes Posada’s offense is, IMO, a whackadoo. ”
Coming from the person who thinks Cervelli should have been the starting catcher over Posada
Betsy – he did an amazing job – most of those runs scored off Aceves…
Matt, it’s a matter of viewpoint. You choose to vilify the ballplayers while most of us simply enjoy the game and the way it is played. You make it sound that you should either be out there playing or coaching because you are either so talented or so knowledgeable. If that is the case why are you on this blog and not in the big leagues. Your constant carping of players is really rather obsessive and irrational. Baseball is a game. We love playing and watching it. We are not in love with criticizing it. Like I said if you are so special then get a job coaching or go on ESPN (not that you have to be sane to be on ESPN but you know what I mean). It just is ridiculous. I honestly do not know what point you are trying to make. Yes it would have been great if he homered. But he did not and he did hit into a dp okay.. another game tomorrow. This team fights back. You complain. I hope you see the difference.
“Since we lost today’s game, Girardi probably isin’t going to rest A-Rod tomorrow.”
Actually he just said he was leaning that way but wouldn’t make the call until tomorrow.
Gotta like Pettitte. Said that his mistake was not bouncing the curve to Hairston. Taking full responsibility for the loss. Love a “no excuses” player.
Ray, you’re right – shouldn’t have jumped to conclusions. How many innings did Andy pitch and who gave up the runs? Sorry, I’m going quickly through the game thread to find out…….
If the Phils get Doc, they are going to COAST to a WS win? What are they, the 1998 Yankees? Let’s just cancel the WS if the Phils get him – that’s ridiculous.
If Andy is our #3 starter in the playoffs, he’s going to have to be able to hold a 1 run lead.
We’re not going to score 10 runs for him in the playoffs.
He still made the mistake. Whether it’s over and done, it’s doesn’t erase the fact that he made a mistake.
Sitting there stubbornly and acting like these guys can do no wrong is the attitude that lets guys go out there and continue to make the same mistakes in the same spots.
It’s not the end of the world, but you also can’t just completely ignore everything. It’s a general tendency of some of these guys to be overaggressive with 2 strikes. You could pat him on the bat for doing his best, or you could use it as a lesson going forward to be a little more patient with the game on the line.
If you never acknowledge your mistakes, you will keep repeating them. Brushing off anyone who does so as a bridge jumper does not do anything other than incite a flame war. You don’t want to dare insult a Posada, we get it, but that doesn’t mean you have to act like you are better than everyone else and start insulting everyone.
Do people come on here to complain about players and moves because their significant others have told them to shut up already?
Mark
Losing Alex’s bat for one game requires big picture thinking rather than watching it get slower and slower for an extended period of time.
Win the battle or win the war?
Matt SJ is the self appointed know it all,you’re wasting time,answering back,Ignore the beast!
Rish, thanks – disappointing that Aceves gave up runs, but he’s human I guess, lol. Were they hard hit balls or bloopers? I’m just hoping the league isn’t figuring him out…..
Anyway, despite the loss it appears Andy did well and that’s very good news – gotta find the silver lining – and we’ve got AJ tomorrow. I really don’t want a split out of this series after taking the first two….
Matt, please, keep crying. It makes you look so cool.
Hitters ain’t going to hit 1.000, no matter how much you want them to.
Matt
how did you survive all the years the yankees were terrible.
first year as a yankee fan??
the yankees can’t & won’t win every game.
you pick & chose wich ones they should win & lose & how they should do it.
Can’t believe Toronto blew an 8-0 lead against Tampa with 3 innings to go.
Talk about a choke job. Tampa is such a gritty team. Since the ASB, they have 5 wins where they were trailing after the 7th.
Matt,
Again what are you credentials, your accomplishments in baseball? You want to call out the players when they make mistakes, well I would like to call you out to let us know just how come you know more than anyone else on the blog. Perhaps if I know your bona-fide then I would respect what you have to say.
LOL on Andy’s interview.
He’s always a gent, but the nursery school questions get tiresome for these guys.
The ever present “positive step forward” lead question, ticked him off:
“I’m not looking for “positive steps forward” at this point in my career, obviously. I’d rather give up six runs and win.”
On a positive note: we get length again from our starter and don’t waste the BP in a loss.
Meanwhile, Tampa, the team chasing us and the team we play next week on the road, went through 7 pitchers today.
Even if they pull the game out, it’s got pyrrhic victory written all over it.
“Do people come on here to complain about players and moves because their significant others have told them to shut up already?”
No.
For that to be the case the complain ad-nauseam crowd would have to have significant others.
Mitre goes tomorrow… AJ goes in Tampa on Monday.
Betsy, Andy pitched very well for the most part. It really looks like he is coming back.
Wow, the Rays are about to win a game they were losing 8-0. If they do win, I’d say they bounced back nicely from the perfect game debacle.
“Coming from the person who thinks Cervelli should have been the starting catcher over Posada”
Ray, I know you lose all sense of reason when someone challenges one of your closely-held beliefs but wanting Cervelli was about defense, not offense. We only said it twenty thousand times but you had tears in your eyes so couldn’t read the print.
It would be pretty brutal to split the series when we won the first 2.
The offense needs to score runs for Mitre tomorrow.
“Rish, thanks – disappointing that Aceves gave up runs, but he’s human I guess, lol.”
Aceves = 7 earned runs in 12 1/3 July innings, which is a 5.11 ERA. That’s pretty human.
We’re not asking for a home run from Posada. We’re asking for an at bat in which he at least gives himself a chance.
You will take any viewpoint you don’t like, and exaggerate it to the point where it sounds completely ridiculous.
Did I say he should have hit a HR anywhere in any of my posts? No, and you can go back and read them all if you really want to. I just ask for him to be somewhat patient and not get himself out. He could have gone to 3-2 and popped out to the shortstop, and it would have been an acceptable at bat because he gave himself a chance and just didn’t come through. If he went up there and hacked at everything and hit a HR, that’s good, but more often than not that’s not going to give you a good chance, and that’s what happened.
I don’t ask for the result, I ask for the approach. You can say all you want about how you think everyone would have been hypocritical and said the opposite if he got it done if it makes you feel bad, but it’s not the truth and it’s not what’s being said. A good approach and a bad result is a shame, but a bad approach and a bad result is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Stop arguing with my genius brother, Matt.
He said it perfectly in his 4:15 post.
“Going up there trying to do so much off a guy who is not easy to hit is just foolish, especially when he’s more than content to give away free passes and do the job for you.”
The pitcher was more than content to walk Posada. Why didn’t he take that free pass? It would have loaded the bases?
When the pitcher WANTS to walk you – why try to be a hero!
Rays are going to beat bad teams. They swept KC on the road and are about to take the first 2 in Toronto, one against Halladay, and one after rallying from 8 runs down/
1st & 3rd, 2 down, for BJ Upton FTW. Sure hope not…
“Aceves = 7 earned runs in 12 1/3 July innings, which is a 5.11 ERA. That’s pretty human.”
Maybe why Cashman is looking for pen help. Nice to see Bruney step up today though.
CB,
Well, if they don’t have any, we know why!
Correction, Crawford at plate. Upton popped out.
“Ray, I know you lose all sense of reason when someone challenges one of your closely-held beliefs but wanting Cervelli was about defense, not offense. We only said it twenty thousand times but you had tears in your eyes so couldn’t read the print.”
I had tears in my eyes from how hard I was laughing at your ridiculous notion that Cervelli should be starting over Posada.
The GCL Yankees were no hit today by three GCL Braves pitchers. I hope that we aren’t about to go into an organizational hitting slump. If so, Brian Cashman will busy travelling to each minor league team to straighten them out.
BJ pops up with a runner on third and 1 out.
Come on, Jays!!
Betsy
July 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Rish, thanks – disappointing that Aceves gave up runs, but he’s human I guess, lol. Were they hard hit balls or bloopers? I’m just hoping the league isn’t figuring him out…..
Anyway, despite the loss it appears Andy did well and that’s very good news – gotta find the silver lining – and we’ve got AJ tomorrow. I really don’t want a split out of this series after taking the first two….
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Except for the leadoff double to Hairston not really. Davis hit one back through the box that Pettitte didn’t flag down, but, was hit fairly hard. There was a bunt single and the rest were bloopers and loopers.
…I’m actually rooting for five more innings…..3-and-1 count w/Longoria lurking. CC walks. bases juiced for Evan.
Hope RS lose tonigh.
I kinda like the Yankees being in their rightful place 1st place!!
Evan Longoria up with the bases loaded against Toronto. Time to get all the married men off the infield.
Technically, this isn’t a 4 game series. The first game was a win to sweep the April series.
So if we lose tomorrow, it’s worse than a split. It’ll be a series loss.
But we’re not going to lose the next one, so don’t worry.
Oh well the yanks cant win every game. At worst this homestand they will be 8-2. At best they can be 9-1. Both are very impressive.
“Well, if they don’t have any, we know why!”
Of course. They couldn’t find someone who could bunt adequately.
It’s a lost art you know. Not like things were back in the days of fundamentals – courtship, etc.
Gotta win tomorrow.
I can understand some of the criticism of some of the players in todays game, but what I don’t get is the rips on Girardi.
With all the injuries, the constant scrutiny of the New York media, the pressure to win from the fans (and Steinbrenners), and he has the club in first place over two very good ballclubs, I don’t get it?
For me, Joe Girardi is manager of the year material.
Tampa is more dangerous than Boston because Tampa can actually play well on the road. Boston can’t score away from Fenway.
Tampa’s lineup is also much more lethal.
That’s even worse… that means they would have LOST this series at home to the last place A’s after trading their best player (if you count Thursday’s win as part of the first series in April).
…..and the Jays squirm out of it.
More innings, more arms please, for both our road foes in the week ahead
Longoria strikes out!!! That means Toronto & Tampa go to the bottom of the 11th inning. Rays have used 7 pitchers already…I don’t know how many more they have. JP Howell pitching now…I hope he has to throw about 80 pitches…that way he won’t be sharp when we go into Tampa on Monday.
Pepitone,
Hal stuck his well-coiffed head out of the cave for a rare appearance this week, and Feinsand asked about Joe G’s job security. Really out of left field.
“I had tears in my eyes from how hard I was laughing at your ridiculous notion that Cervelli should be starting over Posada.”
Yeah and all of us who believed Cervelli should start decided to enjoy the moment since laughter is something very foreign to you and your posts. It’s more often outrage, anger and frenetic finger pointing.
Over a baseball game. Now THAT’S something to laugh about!
Scream on.
Scor
July 25th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Tampa is more dangerous than Boston because Tampa can actually play well on the road. Boston can’t score away from Fenway.
Tampa’s lineup is also much more lethal.
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Yup. Little Dusty and the boys play in Pinball Park. But you never hear anyone calling their park “a joke.”
Mo and Jorge “how well do you know your teammate” is hilarious
Are any other players on I always wee them and Jeter once.
Scor July 25th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Tampa is more dangerous than Boston because Tampa can actually play well on the road.
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Um, yeah. Never mind the Rays are 23-29 on the road this season coming into today’s action.
Do people even pay attention to what’s going on?
“Tampa is more dangerous than Boston because Tampa can actually play well on the road. Boston can’t score away from Fenway.
Tampa’s lineup is also much more lethal.”
Agree. Boston needs Fenway to score runs. Tampa can score anywhere. Makes what Buerhlee did even more impressive.
I don’t get why AJ is getting an extra day of rest – just so Mitre can pitch? AJ pitched Tuesday …he should be pitching tomorrow…
Just skip Matt’s posts….nothing there to read.
Bunting Posada is about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard..and breaking news, these guys are human.
Boy, the worship for the Rays on this board is beyond belief. I respect them a great deal ,as I do the Sox, but at best they are 5 games behind us in the loss column after today’s game. They are a very good team, but so are the Yankees…..except it’s easier for fans to praise other teams than it is their own. I hate losing today because a loss tomorrow would really suck – splitting the series after taking the first two would be pretty bad. However, were the Yankees never going to lose again? Some fans honestly don’t like this team – their loss.
How does a Giambi/Holliday-less A’s lineup score 6 runs?
m
July 25th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Pepitone,
Hal stuck his well-coiffed head out of the cave for a rare appearance this week, and Feinsand asked about Joe G’s job security. Really out of left field.
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Are you kiddin me?
BryanHoch: Alex Rodriguez is on the field with his arm around Kate Hudson, introducing her to players. Guess they’re official
Andy was doing very well before the 7th inning.
It was Aceves who poured gasoline on the fire. Got 2 outs, and was 1 strike away from getting out of the inning tied at 1…. and then he proceeded to allow 5 runs to score.
Quite a game in Toronto and Howell is a heck of a pitcher.
Wish I could be watching this on television and not over the internet.
Trisha – I don’t think that’s really Matt’s brother posting.
Someone just took a comment at Matt and ran with it, lol.
How does a Giambi/Holliday-less A’s lineup score 6 runs?
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They bunched about five hits together in one inning…it happens sometimes.
“Alex Rodriguez is on the field with his arm around Kate Hudson, introducing her to players. Guess they’re official”
Maybe he should worry about getting a clutch hit once in a while rather than his off-the-field life.
wow, I didn’t know Aceves had given up 7 runs in less than 13 innings in July? It could be, again, that the league is catching up to him…..if he goes into a serious slump, that will hurt the pen a great deal.
GB, thanks!
Pepitone,
Nope. And Hal gave the standard “We have expectations, and Joe knows the deal.”
And the next day, the story was Joe’s job security. This happened at the same time that Omar and Manuel were given assurances that their jobs were safe.
Wacky times.
trisha -
Howell has done a pronominal job as Tampa’s closer. Really stabilized the pen when Percivil went down. Big reason why they have the 2nd best bullpen ERA in the league.
Oh, I thought Matt made reference to his brother being an all star.
Guess i read it too quickly.
Mr. Franco , Have you been reading the display of baseball brillance that has overcome the LoHud this afternoon ??? I’m surprised you’d even show up for the postgame insanity……Sometimes I think I’m watching a different game….
That’s right, Arod hasn’t gotten a clutch hit all year.
Another dolt who doesn’t watch any of the games.
Betsy,
They would rather have AJ pitch against Tampa with an extra days rest than on turn vs. Oakland. That’s the right move to make.
Matt
Pujois just hit into an inning ending DP. I guess he should’ve bunted.
“Do people come on here to complain about players and moves because their significant others have told them to shut up already?”
I come here at times to get away from my SO’s complaining about the game, lol.
“They booed. Classy. What great fans in New York, right?”
Memo to Pete, “NY” Yankee fans are why you have such a popular blog. I would say not only great, but the greatest fans!
PS- People who boo are dumb
Betsy- AJ pitched Wednesday, not Tuesday. Besides, it’s much better for the groundball pitching Mitre to face a team that doesn’t have a lot of power, at Yankee Stadium, and let AJ handle the big boys in TB on Monday.
Also, you give the Rays too much credit. At worse, they’re SIX back in the loss column today!
Hopefully Ray and Jays can go another 15 innings or so tomorrow, too.
m
July 25th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Pepitone,
Nope. And Hal gave the standard “We have expectations, and Joe knows the deal.”
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Thanks, m.
Like I said, Joe deserves some kind of medal for putting up with all the crap.
Yesterday’s game makes me appreciate Joba even more.
Joe did something with Ace he never does.When any reliever gives up 1-2 runs,he pulls him out.Because Ace has been lights out,he left him in,and more runs scored.
The only reason I mention this,is Phil is gonna have one of these days too.Maybe Joe will act faster,and give his team a chance to get back in the game.
People are way too upset that they lost this game. Ripping Posada, A-Rod, Girardi etc etc its tough to take when they just won 8 games in a row and are in 1st place. You are not going to win every game this season.
SJ, I don’t know. I guess I think it’s rather silly to keep giving AJ extra days rest. He’s really not that good with extra rest – hasn’t been this year, anyway, and I’d much prefer that he keep on schedule. This is the same thing that Joe pulled when he kept AJ on ice until Boston – granted, that was more than 1 extra day of rest, but I still don’t get it. It kind of tells me that Joe is putting extra emphasis on these series with Tampa and Boston when that’s the exact opposite of the message he wants to send; he’s putting implicit pressure on the Yankees to win these games. IMO, the games should just be played without fiddling with the rotation..
Rays take the lead. Now the question will be whether Howell can go another inning.
No, I think Matt’s “brother” made reference to Matt being a Little League All-Star as his credentials for his constructive essays, lol.
Hey, I’m impressed. My only credentials for commenting are that I played softball fairly well, I’ve seen Field of Dreams, I own quite a bit of Yankee merchandise and I’ve played MLB – The Show a few times.
Hence, why at times I tend to just read and absorb info and both sides of a debate rather than comment.
Tampa up 10-9 top 12th. Bartlett doubles in Zobrist.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb
This may be old news to you guys but I just saw it for the first time.
About Aceves’ July- just remember that 3 of those runs came in that Minnesota game that he started, where he only went 3 2/3.
So as a reliever, the numbers are 4 ER in 9 innings. And 2 of those 4 runs were given up today in less than a full inning. As a whole, the numbers aren’t as bad as they look. It’s not like Bruney getting hit hard in 4 out of 5 outings. I think Aceves has been more consistent than that.
Where are people getting the idea that Burnett is pitching on an extra day’s rest?
He started Friday against Detroit and Wednesday against the Orioles. He’s in line to start Monday against the Rays, as he should.
The Yankees have played 9 straight straight games since the ASB with no days off or double headers. All 5 pitchers are going on normal rest…
Betsy
July 25th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
wow, I didn’t know Aceves had given up 7 runs in less than 13 innings in July? It could be, again, that the league is catching up to him…..if he goes into a serious slump, that will hurt the pen a great deal.
GB, thanks!
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One of those games was the bad start against the Twins with 4 runs (3 earned) in 3.1 innings. A few of the runs have been unearned, but, he’s been good in 8 of the last 11 games. Today, unfortunately, wasn’t one of the good ones.
Bases loaded for Hill. 1 out. Tampa up 10-9 bottom 12th. Nelson pitching (I believe Tampa’s ninth pitcher of the game).
Again, nowhere did I EVER say he should have bunted.
Read the posts before you insult.
I said Posada should have been more patient, NOWHERE did I say he should have bunted. Bunting Posada would have been incredibly dumb, not only because he probably wouldn’t be able to get one down off the hard thrower but also because there was no point. If you get the base hit you need to score those runs anyway, the 2nd of those runners most likely goes first to third and you are in the same spot as with the bunt, except with more shots at tying the game up with 3 outs rather than 2.
If you are going to attack someone, at least get the comment right. You don’t like what I say, that’s fine, but don’t put words in my mouth.
Toronto down to last out. Lind up.
Tampa wins.
It’s not the result that matters, it’s the approach. If you lay off a bunch of bad pitches and get something to hit and hit into a DP, that’s the so called “bad luck.” Swinging at garbage and putting yourself way behind in the count, where you are very unlikely to get a good pitch to hit, is not “bad luck” but bad job.
How many chances do you need to win a game? The Jays suck. Man, this division is so good it feels as though one loss by the Yanks is like a sword through the heart. Fear it’s going to be like that right up until the end of September…not good for my heart.
Man it’s weird looking at Holliday in a Cards uniform.
Hi everyone im a longtime reader but usually stay clear of the comments section. I would just like to give a big flip of the finger (the middle one that is) to Pete Abe over the derisive comment he made about New York fans. It’s really disappointing to read something like that from a journalist i respect and admire. Pete you make your living off of us. Don’t forget that. There would be no Sports, no Baseball, no Yankees and no freakin lohud Yankees blog if there werent fans. You owe all of us thanks (and an apology) for that paycheck you receive at the end of the month. And for the record we’re classy AND tough.
ready for the Liberty game!!