Andrews to examine Wang on Tuesday
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Chien-Ming Wang said this afternoon that he will travel to Alabama tomorrow to be examined by Dr. James Andrews on Tuesday.
Andrews, it seems, will have the final say as to whether Wang needs more rest or surgery. It was Andrews who performed shoulder surgery on Wang in 2001 when he was in the minor leagues. So if he needs it again, it would seem to make sense that he would stay there and get it done.
Obviously any sort of shoulder surgery would end his season. But don’t assume surgery. Brian Bruney and Damaso Marte both visited Andrews earlier this season and did not do under the knife.
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Let’s hope and pray that it is just more rest! Surgery might make us do something stupid.
I’m crossing my fingers. Wang needs to return next year as the anchor of the middle of the rotation with Joba and Hughes in the 4-5. Then we can save money from having to pay Halladay or sign Bedard or Washburn. I want to the Yanks to have enough payroll space to sign Aroldis Chapman, Brandon Inge, Chone Figgins and Rafael Soriano as free agents.
I don’t think Wang is gonna make it, the laws of average are not good in this one. How many teams can send more than 1 pitcher to the Dr. Korvorkian of arms and come out smiling.
Any kind of major shoulder surgery would probably force Wang to miss some time next season, too.
It will be interesting to see if they acquire another pitcher this week who has at least another year on his contract.
If not, they’ll probably have to find another arm over the offseason.
Shut him down regardless imo. Let him rehab his shoulder, and his legs/feet.
Evidence that Gammons is not a Yankee basher:
From an ESPN column by P. Gammons:
“Yankees GM Brian Cashman argues that he doesn’t overvalue prospects, which is why he has Phil Hughes pitching like the American League’s best eighth-inning reliever, Melky Cabrera in center, Nick Swisher (obtained for Jeffrey Marquez, another pitcher in the package the Twins would’ve required for Johan Santana) in right and CC Sabathia on the mound, all in lieu of Santana. “
07/26/09 Joe Girardi Show segment #1:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/6319813575625ff4/
He’s gettin’ surgery.
interesting trivia question on a HOF Sunday:
what three HOF players have played for NINE different teams.
hint: two of them played for the Yanks
Goose & Rickey
at least 9 or just 9?
Vrsce, he must be drunk today.
07/26/09 Joe Girardi Show segment #2:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/63198320fd5f40d2/
“Goose & Rickey”
you got the two Yanks, Pat M.
the other guy was a pitcher.
Here’s hoping for the best with the Wanger.
hahahahahah, “Andrews to Examine Wang on Tuesday”. Wang-related headlines always make me laugh.
“carl
July 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
at least 9 or just 9?”
ummm… not sure Carl. It was the Aflac question on the D’Backs Extra Innings broadcast.
Vrsce, so true what Cashman says.
If we had traded for Santana it would have cost Hughes, Melky, Marquez and probably another prospect. The Yanks also would not have signed Sabathia.
Looking back, I’m glad the Yanks laid off Santana, there’s no doubt in my mind they made the right call.
Honestly, I don’t think it matters much. Sure, surgery would make him gone for this season (& still a big question mark regarding next yr). More rest just means we will be able to try him out sooner. OK, Bruney & Marte did not get surgery. From what I remember, Bruney came back prematurely after rest & rehab, & it was determined he still wasn’t ready then. Marte has been resting & rehabbing this whole season so far … since the 1st month (& when he WAS deemed OK last season, he really didn’t help the team).
Basically, if he didn’t need surgery, we’d just have him back sooner, meaning 1 less starter needed then, whenever. I don’t see his presence as HELPING the team this season.
It’s not that Gammons bashes the Yankees, it’s that he constantly pimps the Red Sox and puts their prospects in the HOF.
He can’t even have a conversation on tv without bringing the Red Sox into it.
07/26/09 Joe Girardi Show segment #3:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/631985783dbc199c/
Thanks Pel
re: trivia question
all three guys played for nine different teams. (checked out baseball reference)
Goose and Ricky and ?
the last guy didn’t make the majors until he was 29 – pitched until he was 49.
I’ve been catching up on the game – did Joe leave Phl in too long? Should we be concerned that he’s overusing Phil…….and worse, letting him pitch when he’s tired? Phil is not a reliever – hasn’t been trained as one -and the Yankees need to be careful. Odd that there doesn’t appear to be the same rules with Phil that there were with Joba.
I really hope the Dodgers get Cliff Lee and VMart. I will be happy for Torre and even happier that Toronto’s market for Halladay shrinks even if only by 1 team.
DT, I’m struggling on the other player…..
Gaylord Perry?
Paige ??? or Wilhelm
nope not Gaylord. I thought of him too so I looked him up.
He pitched for 8 teams.
I think it’s Wilhelm
Pat M got it.
Hoyt Wilhelm.
07/26/09 Joe Girardi Show segment #4:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/63198755c623a555/
>Thanks Pel
Hideki Matsui on Yankees on Deck:
“I love fastballs”
(yes, I need a life)
Did I miss something about a blockbuster trade? What is it?
Aging has certain benefits ……GB would have nailed the 3 much faster than I did…..DT, your clue saved use many brain cells and much time….
Torre was the reason for the Joba Rules. I think the Yankees trust Girardi a bit more in not over using someone. So no Phil Hughes Rules. but I just would have went with Bruney in the 8th. Who has looked good lately.
The only thing I dont get about the Hughes/Joba Starter vs. Reliever Debate is that we do NEED capable pitchers to actually pitch out of the bullpen. Like, it HAS to happen.
Who are we going to go with if Hughes is taken out of the Bullpen?? We simple don’t have anyone else and the market is slim pickens.
If this year, and baseball in general, has shown anything its that a solid bullpen can be the keys to success or the pitchfork of a downfall.
Its a great, great debate…but just remember that bullpen arms don’t just grow on trees,
Hughes issued his first walk as a reliever today, and gave up a hit to a guy who battled the whole at-bat. No big deal.
AH! stupid knucleballer!
Rebecca. I just read your daily column…..And I agree with you, they’ll call up Jackson to spell Gardner and his role on the club….
Betsy,
he didn’t leave in to long and there is nothing to worry about. Phil is fine.
Hrs in the bullpen for a reason. It’s to get outs and pitch. Both of which he has done very well.
He’s not being overused.
July 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
If NYY is serious about bringing in a center fielder not named Austin Jackson, then, right now Pena is the best option, unless they wait for Kotsay to clear the Boston books about 6 days. If that or a trade doesn’t happen, then the only option left is Colin Curtis. Kevin Russo is what they are hoping that Pena will become. He has a few games in the corner, so, right now, his bat is a plus, but his defense lags.
Now is when they could have used Todd Linden to play center field.
Brandon, do you remember my telling you that KC needs to think about moving Tony Pena, Jr. to the mound?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4357116
Lets try this again. To all that complain about the roster and who the 23rd, 24th and 25th men are and who is out in the bullpen, take a look at ESPN Classic right now. There’s a Yanks-A’s game from May of 1991 on, the one where Rickey breaks Lou Brock’s career record for SB’s. The roster back then was real, real bad. Just wow. And imagine I used to watch as many of these games on MSG back then as I could. Matt Nokes, Kevin Maas, Alvaro Espinosa, Randy Velarde, Tim Leary, Mel Hall, Roberto Kelly, Rich Monteleone, etc. Could you imagine a Lohud blog back then? Congrats to all of us who survived this period!
Pat M: I’m going to have something cool within the next couple of days…maybe tonight depending on how un-lazy I feel. Keep an eye out!
I don’t think Kotsay can play CF any longer. At least not effectively.
If an outfielder is pulled from the SWB tonight then that might indicate which player will be in Tampa tomorrow.
Hughes is in the bullpen for the rest of the year.
They aren’t messing with success.
“Aging has certain benefits ……GB would have nailed the 3 much faster than I did…..DT, your clue saved use many brain cells and much time….”
LOL…. I think GB is on great grandkid diaper duty today.
I looked up Satchel Paige since he was before my time.
Amazing – he pitched in the Majors from 1948-1953. (ages 41-46)
BUT
he came back and started a game in 1965 at the age of 58!!!
Pitched 3 innings of shutout one-hit ball against the Red Sox. (only hit was a double by Yaz)
Bedard back on the dl….
Trevor, thanks….but I wonder if Girardi can be trusted not to overuse Phil. I don’t like pitching anyone who’s tired – pitching while tired can increase the likelihood of injury. Now I didn’t watch the game obviously, so I’m going by comments made in the game thread. I wouldn’t pitch Phil tomorrow or Tuesday……Hopefully AJ can give us 7 strong, but either way, Joe will have to find someone else to trust besides Phil.
Aceves is slumping a bit and so is Coke – besides the HR today, didn’t he give one up against the O’s (or was it the Tigers, I forget)?
8th inning was a tough call.
Hughes in the 7th was absolutely the right move against the meat of the lineup.
But he threw 20 pitches, which makes the 8th a rough call.
Bruney threw a good inning yesterday, but that appearance was not protecting a lead. The two outings before that, he gave up a total of 3 HRs.
The eighth inning was the difference between a series split and a series win. If Bruney starts the 8th and gets into trouble, Girardi really has nowhere to go with Aceves unavail today.
Can’t fault him for trying to get a couple more outs out of Hughes.
“He’s not being overused.”
I’m glad Torre isn’t the coach right now. Part of the reason we had the infamous “Joba rules” was because of Torre’s deserved reputation of abusing relief pitchers. I think Cashman trusts Girardi to use Hughes properly and because of that trust we see Hughes more often.
Girardi has done a good job of not overusing pitchers. I wish he’d use Melancon more often but I can’t complain much about how he’s managed the pen. The results speak for themselves.
GB7
Not sure how much Kotsay would help right now. I think he was having some issues with a calf muscle.
Maybe Washburn is a better bargain anywho
Hopefully, the Yankees can hammer the Mariners the way Cleveland has this weekend. 11 homers and 30 runs in three games…..IN SEATTLE.
Nephew watch…..
He just got a single off Manny Banuelos to cut the River Dogs lead to 2-1 after 1.
He’s now hitting . 356 and has reached base safely in 12 straight games.
As much as we might want to second guess the 8th inning, today it work.
I’d take our good luck and run.
MaineYankee
July 26th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
GB7
Not sure how much Kotsay would help right now. I think he was having some issues with a calf muscle.
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Oh, OK, Maine. Thanks. wasn’t aware of any leg issues with Kotsay. I knew that he had occassional back issues. He could have been a fine ball payer without the injuries. Outstanding defensive player in all of the outfield and first base positions.
From what I heard the other day Baldelli might be the next DFA for the RS if they need a spot.
Trivia time?
I’ve got one. In the last 30 years, who were the only 3 pitchers traded midseason to win a game in the world series the same season?
SJ44
July 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Nephew watch…..
He just got a single off Manny Banuelos to cut the River Dogs lead to 2-1 after 1.
He’s now hitting . 356 and has reached base safely in 12 straight games.
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Not sure whether to half-heartedly boo your nephew or begrudgingly send a congrats. I guess that I’ll just ignore that it happened.
DT….I thought maybe it was a partial trick question….Satchel is in the Hall, and played for many teams in the Negro leagues…..Hoyt was just a guess….By the way, Satchel was decades before my time as well….Although I do remember him pitching vs. Boston when Charles Finley signed him……
Let’s get ready to rumble
Burnett vs Shields
Sabathia vs Kazmir
Chamberlain vs Garza
This should be fun.
Ok, SJ – thanks. I got a bit panicky reading some of the posts in the game thread.
Bedard on the DL? Well, there goes another possible pitching option. For a team as good as the Yankees, they have some serious needs: SP, OFer/CF, possibly a bullpen arm.
Tough schedule coming up …..in fact, I think the rest of the year isn’t so hot, whatwith several West Coast trips.
Girardi manages a pen better than Torre did in his last 5 years at the helm. Nobody is overused.
Hughes is not a piece of fine china. He’s a pitcher and he’s going to pitch.
Right now, he’s one of the most important guys on the team.
Girardi knows what he is doing.
” pm
SJ44
July 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Nephew watch…..
He just got a single off Manny Banuelos to cut the River Dogs lead to 2-1 after 1.
He’s now hitting . 356 and has reached base safely in 12 straight games.”
Heh. That’s kind of awesome.
RSN more like DFA city.
For the Tampa Yankees, Romine has a first inning single and Brandon Laird (who really does have a chance to be awesome) hit a 2 run homer.
GB7
You always have something to say about moose up here. I forgot to tell you earlier I had a bull and cow moose walk through my yard early one morning this spring.
The couple of weeks ago a doe and two fawns.
“Nephew watch…..
He just got a single off Manny Banuelos”
Manny get him back
This us the third time I’m posting this. There’s a game on ESPN Classic from 1991, A’s vs Yanks, Rickey breaking Brock’s career SB’s record. That roster was real bad(Nokes, Maas, Espinosa, Velarde, Hall, Leary, Monteleone, etc.). Most of you wouldn’t have survived those years.
GB,
I get it both ways. I used own a piece of the River Dogs and Mike Veeck is one of my closest friends. The Dogs are still winning though!
test
SJ44,
Does Veeck still own the Riverdogs?
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
“Nephew watch…..
He just got a single off Manny Banuelos”
Manny get him back
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Go back and read my 5:43 PM post to you.
SJ
How are you following the game?
“Go back and read my 5:43 PM post to you.”
Yeh I know, I answered it in the last thread. Remember ironic.
It really is.
SJ44
July 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
GB,
I get it both ways. I used own a piece of the River Dogs and Mike Veeck is one of my closest friends. The Dogs are still winning though!
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That’s a great place to watch some good baseball. It makes what kids like Montero and Romine did at the plate last year all the more eye opening. That’s a tough place for power hitters, especially right handed. Good luck to your nephew, except when……
GB7 Colin Curtis hit 2 HRs yesterday going 2 for 2, he’s played alot of CF in AAA lately, you think he’s the PT player GI Joe is talking about?
SJ, It’s time for a promotion….
SJ, forgot to ask….How’s Mike Veeck’s daughter doing? Never met him, but, I did meet his father once. What a great guy and one of the last of the true baseball men.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
GB7 Colin Curtis hit 2 HRs yesterday going 2 for 2, he’s played alot of CF in AAA lately, you think he’s the PT player GI Joe is talking about?
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I would think, maybe, short of a trade. They’d still have a roster issue, though. Curtis is still only hitting about .230, though.
GB,
Yes, Mike still owns the team.
His daughter is doing as well as can be expected. Most of her eyesight is gone but she is doing very well making the most out of it.
A very special kid and a very special family.
“I would think, maybe, short of a trade. They’d still have a roster issue, though. Curtis is still only hitting about .230, though.”
Be it a small sample his last 35 ABs .353/.421/.647 for awhile maybe.
” I forgot to tell you earlier I had a bull and cow moose walk through my yard early one morning this spring.”
maine yankee-
i’m not saying my relatives in maine would hunt out of season, but i have a hunch those moose would be on a wall up there if they strolled across the family farm up there.
when you’re sitting in the den there’s an awful lot of eyes looking at you.
If what MaineYankee said/wrote about Baldelli being up for DFA, those “low-risk” acquisitions aren’t turning out so well – Baledelli, Smoltz; Penny is just ok; add to that Lugo being released and the Sox eating his whole contract (what, 12M?), and that’s quite some coin being paid to guys who aren’t contributing.
And before anyone starts about Carl Pavano….I know. Doesn’t change the bottom line, however.
SJ44
July 26th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
GB,
Yes, Mike still owns the team.
His daughter is doing as well as can be expected. Most of her eyesight is gone but she is doing very well making the most out of it.
A very special kid and a very special family.
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Hoping for the best with the little cutie. I’ve only seen pix of her. Met Bill Veeck out in the left field bleachers at the old park. He’s sitting the, talking to the fans, drinking beer, smoking his cigarettes and getting a tan. No shirt on and a pair of tan shorts…..using his artificial leg to hold his cigarette. Had a small hole drilled in it for that reason. What a character.
MaineYankee
July 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
GB7
You always have something to say about moose up here. I forgot to tell you earlier I had a bull and cow moose walk through my yard early one morning this spring.
The couple of weeks ago a doe and two fawns.
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I kid Dennis about living in Moose Tongue, Maine. Your place sounds like my brother’s in the Upper Penninsula of Michigan. Wild game everywhere…and some are even animals. His biggest problem is bears and wolverines coming down from Canada (about 20 miles). They’re being pushed south.
randy l.
July 26th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
” I forgot to tell you earlier I had a bull and cow moose walk through my yard early one morning this spring.”
maine yankee-
i’m not saying my relatives in maine would hunt out of season, but i have a hunch those moose would be on a wall up there if they strolled across the family farm up there.
when you’re sitting in the den there’s an awful lot of eyes looking at you.
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I’m sure that would be true in many places here.
What’s the last name of your family here? I used to be a farmer so wondering if I might know them.
Wang should not be counted on for the rest of this year. Even without surgery he’ll need to slowly bring himself back to rehab starts.
One phrase that isn’t good for any player to hear,You’re seeing Dr Andrews!
Wishing Wang well.
if Wang does need surgery, it could be the beginning of the end
Shut him down regardless imo. Let him rehab his shoulder, and his legs/feet