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Wrapping it up from Tampa

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 27, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

A few notes for you:

Alfredo Aceves, Brian Bruney, Phil Coke and Phil Hughes were not available tonight, which is why they didn’t make a move and why Jon Albaladejo and Dave Robertson finished the game. Now that the bullpen is rested up, the move could come tomorrow.

A.J. Burnett left the Yankees needing to get only two innings out of the bullpen. He is 6-1, 1.67 in his last eight starts.

Johnny Damon was asked whether Burnett looks like the pitcher the Yankees faced last season when he was with Toronto.

“Absolutely,” he said. “He’s one of those guys you dream about at night, you know? Not in a good way, in a bad way.”

That drew big laughs from a crowd of reporters — and Nick Swisher a locker away.

“I don’t dream about A.J.,” he said. “Trust me.”

Burnett got nine of his last 12 outs on the ground. After throwing 60 pitches in the first three innings, he worked in a two-seam fastball to conserve pitches. It worked as he needed only 54 pitches over the last four innings. On a night when he didn’t have a good curveball, he was still dominating.

Offensively, every starter had at least one hit. There were eight extra-base hits and four home runs. The Yankees have won 10 of 11 and 23 of 29. As each day passes, they look better and better.

“If we keep playing like this, it’s going to be a really, really fun season,” Swisher said.

UPDATE, 11:54 p.m.: I’m getting a lot of e-mails about Mark Melancon’s inactivity. He hasn’t pitched since July 10. It’s circumstance, not some dark plot by Joe Girardi. There have been a lot of close games and/or a need to get other guys going. Melancon is the last guy in the bullpen and that’s how it goes sometimes.

They still think very highly of him.

Look at this way: The Yankees have won 10 of 11 and 23 of 29. If they’re biggest problem is not getting a rookie reliever enough work, that’s a good problem to have.

The Yankees are 61-38, try and enjoy it. Plenty of real problems will crop up eventually.

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208 Responses to “Wrapping it up from Tampa”

  1. tjrover July 27th, 2009 at 11:38 pm

    Super.

  2. teddy July 27th, 2009 at 11:39 pm

    good job pete

  3. m July 27th, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Thanks for your tireless work today, Pete.

    Please keep us informed about any trade rumors you hear, not all of us follow via Twitter. :)

  4. m July 27th, 2009 at 11:43 pm

    BTW, from the last thread someone mentioned really enjoying the defensive side of the innings?

    I have to confess, when I miss a game live (often), I watch only the half-innings when we’re pitching. I can see all the offensive highlights via mlb.com or espn.com.

    Can’t wait to see the replay of AJ. And Albie & D-rob, too. :?

  5. J-Dawg--Veintisiete en... let's try '09! July 27th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    The debacle at Fenway was undoubtedly a watershed moment for A.J. He said that when he got his stuff together, that it would be something to see. Burnett=Prophet.

    His progression during these last eight starts has been remarkable. Burnett can either be brilliant or bumbling. Lately we have seen a lot more brilliance and a lot less bumbling.

    The adjustment with the two-seamer was a nice rabbit out of the hat as well.

    It’s turnarounds like the one of A.J.’s that has catapulted the Yankees into first place.

  6. islesfan July 27th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Everything is great around the Yankees right now, unless you’re from Taiwan, the team is winning lots of games and having a lot of fun doing it. Even the Yankees beat writers are having a good time, laughing with the players and enjoying dinner with the Yankees biggest star and I assume his new lady friend.

    And then there’s the Mets…and the Mets beat writers.

    Pete, earlier when you wrote that you were “promoted” to the Yankees beat, I doubt that you’ve ever written truer words.

  7. blueblood July 27th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Wonder if they will send melancon down tomorrow? If they aren’t goin to pitch him, they might as well let him get some work in, keep alby and bring up an outfielder……or they could try pitching him. Just seems wasteful to me.

  8. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Pete-

    Which is the last Yankee team you’ve covered, that has this combination of fun,caring for each other,good guys?

    With the additions of Swisher, CC, AJ, Teixeira, Cashman and the Steinbrenners deserve a lot of praise.

    Jeter has had an MVP season and potentially we could have an
    entire Gold Glove infield!!

    Always enjoy your reporting and quips!

  9. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 27th, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    “Johnny Damon was asked whether Burnett looks like the pitcher the Yankees faced last season when he was with Toronto.

    “Absolutely,” he said. “He’s one of those guys you dream about at night, you know? Not in a good way, in a bad way.”

    That drew big laughs from a crowd of reporters — and Nick Swisher a locker away.

    “I don’t dream about A.J.,” he said. “Trust me.””

    ****

    This team is something special. It really is.

    I don’t know the last time I had a feeling about a team like this.

    Everything seems to work.

    Even when the Yankees have problems, solutions seem to present themselves by pure happenstance.

    Last season, if something could go wrong it did go wrong, but this season, if something can go right it does go right.

    You can tell that the players are having fun with it, and every day you tune in or go to the ballpark and have a reasonable expectation of winning.

    We have something special this year. It’s a blessing we get to watch it.

  10. m July 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    islesfan,

    I think Pete was joking about taking A-rod out.

    I’m sure he’d really like going out with them, beats the alternative of gettin thrashed in the papers. :)

    But he’s in Florida, surely he’ll spend time with his family and loved one(s).

  11. Groundhoggator July 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Pete,

    did you ask about Melancon – certainly he was well rested – he should’ve had every opportunity in a blow out.

    Certainly if it got tight – Rivera – who loosened up would’ve came in.

  12. 77513 July 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm

    Burnett is pitching like one of the best pitchers in baseball. And not the knock on him was he wasn’t going battle through a game he is proving all those people wrong. Also this is like the 3rd time in the last couple of weeks that a guy who struck out scores a run because Posada couldn’t block the ball.

    Nice job by Robertson cleaning up Albaladejo mess in the 8th.

  13. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm

    “Brandon Kay said he would’ve charged the podium LOL

    I probably would’ve ripped my shirt off….”

    Me too. And go Austin 3:16 infront of the cameras :lol:

  14. S.A.--Serenity Now July 27th, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    AJ has been pitching great for the Yankees. Good to see.
    I hope they send down MM. He’s not being used up here, what’s the point?

    This team is just fun to watch right now.

    In case anyone is bored: Wallace Matthews is no favorite of mine, but his take on the whole Mets fiasco made me laugh.

    http://www.newsday.com/columni.....-1.1330844

  15. RS July 27th, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Here’s a few numbers to ponder:

    For the Yankees to win 96 games this year (I’m thinking that locks up a playoff spot), they need to go 35-28 the rest of the way.

    For 97 wins: 36-27

  16. Betsy July 27th, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    LOL Nick…….

    I love AJ’s post-game comments:

    Kim asked him if this is what he signed up for when he signed with the Yankees, and he said “no, wait till we get to October”…..or something like that.

    I know he also said something about crying “uncle” at the beginning when he threw a lot of pitches, lol……

    AJ is so much fun to watch and he’s just been fantastic in every respect. He’s always saying how this is the best decision he’s ever made, so so far so good for both AJ and the Yanks.

  17. Yankee Trader July 27th, 2009 at 11:57 pm

    S.A.-

    Terrific writing by Matthews. Enjoyed it and am still laughing!

  18. OG yanks July 27th, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    Yanks are on fire and pavano gave up back to back to backs blasts tonight… Lifes good

  19. Joe I July 28th, 2009 at 12:01 am

    Brandon, to answer your question from the last post. I’m a radio news reporter, and I don’t know what I would’ve done in that situation. I’ve never been called out in any situation at a press conference like that. I probably would’ve acted like Rubin did, but after the press conference, I would’ve asked the Mets for a one to one conversation with Omar to talk it out. It was weird to say the least, especially since Rubin is the beat reporter.

  20. CB July 28th, 2009 at 12:01 am

    AJ has just been tremendous.

    Tonight was one of the most impressive games he’s thrown all season given the context.

    Not only is it against a division rival. But it comes on a night when half the pen – and all of the top arms besides Mo – where unavailable.

    After 3 innings tonight AJ had thrown 61 pitches.

    He was dominant but he was running one deep count after another.

    Then he completely switches approaches and starts boaring in that two seam fastball, inducing one ground ball after another.

    And he goes 7 strong on a night where it was imperative that he do so.

    I really wish he’d use that two seamer more. I think he’s using it less this year than he did last year. It’s a great pitch.

    But that just speaks to how much talent AJ has. He can dominate with his B game approach.

    That strike out of Longoria in the first inning set the tone for the whole game. Just overwhelmed him.

    His simply toying with hitters right now.

  21. Richie July 28th, 2009 at 12:03 am

    Since most of the trade rumors I have heard involving the Yankees are awful, I hope they don’t make any.

  22. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 12:04 am

    AJ Burnett is just fun to watch.

    If he stays healthy, he could be well worth the contract.

  23. RS July 28th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    Burnett has impressed me so much this season. Even when he was struggling early in the year, it seemed like he always had the right attitude and handled the media perfectly.

    In Toronto he had a reputation for being extremely inconsistent because he either had his curveball and was dominant, or he couldn’t find that pitch and would get lit up with his fastball.

    Now, he’s gone through at least 3 or 4 starts recently where he hasn’t had his curveball and didn’t even have great command of his fastball, but he still managed to battle through and put together great outings.

  24. tampayank July 28th, 2009 at 12:05 am

    I really think AJ is one of the pitchers that will come up huge in October….now CC worries me more in October(he’s a horse all season)…good win

  25. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2009 at 12:10 am

    “Look at this way: The Yankees have won 10 of 11 and 23 of 29. If they’re biggest problem is not getting a rookie reliever enough work, that’s a good problem to have.”

    That works for me.

    These guys are lookin as good as they’ve been in a loooong time .

    Do Not Touch!

  26. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 12:12 am

    Boston Dave 2.0
    July 27th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
    “NYY tried to trade for him and Trader Frank Lane refused to deal with NYY.”

    ———

    any idea why he refused to trade with the Yanks? were they despised as much back in those days?

    ————————————————————

    Mainly because Lane thought that Yankee GM, George Weiss was a bigotted jerk, which he was. The other reason was that the Yankees had money and Cleveland worked on a shoestring budget. Sound familiar?

  27. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 12:13 am

    L to the 2nd
    July 27th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
    GB7:

    I’ve been following NYY since Mantle’s last year (’68) – suffered thru the Horace Clarke/Jerry Kenney era…

    As the wise old man on the board – which do you think was the better run = mid ’50s thru ‘64 or ‘96 – forward?

    ————————————————————

    Can’t really seperate the two runs. The Yanks won the AL title from 1949 thu 1958 in every year except 1954 and yhe WS titles in every year except ‘54, ‘55 and ‘57. They won with the same team from ‘60 thru ‘64 and 2 WS. The main teams were together throughout that run. Berra, Ford, Mantle, the added Howard in ‘55. Just an amazing string that no team will ever top. Hockey had the Canadians and basketball had the Celts, but for most of those runs, the leagues only had 6 teams.

  28. Betsy July 28th, 2009 at 12:17 am

    I think AJ has a cool motion, even though I suppose it can lead to mechanical difficulties. I love the he just flings his arm down after a pitch – it’s hard to describe. AJ has been good from the get go with the media – whether he’s pitched well or he’s pitched poorly. He really loves wearing the pinstripes and it shows….

  29. Richie July 28th, 2009 at 12:19 am

    Melancon > Albaladejo

    He has more upside than Aceves. But he needs to pitch. A smart manager would find innings for him.

  30. tishbi July 28th, 2009 at 12:19 am

    Watching the Giants-Pittsburgh game. Why would we want a guy like Grabow. He dont throw hard, iffy control, and havent we learned the lesson about lefty relievers from Pitt? Getting it done for a team that is out of the playoff hunt as soon as theey leave spring training, doesnt translate well to success in N.Y.

  31. tishbi July 28th, 2009 at 12:20 am

    The 2 worst looking guys in baseball play for the same team. Sandoval and Bengie Molina.

  32. Pat M.... July 28th, 2009 at 12:21 am

    I agree with GB, However the dynasty run of the late 90′s is noteworthy because of the 3 tier playoff system…..Make no mistake those Yankee teams of The Mantle era were monsters…….Rebecca, nice piece tonight……CB, What AJ is doing is what we hoped for back in December….The Schilling factor….Your description was perfect, as we are witnessing it right now…..

  33. pat July 28th, 2009 at 12:21 am

    Girardi said that Ramiro Pena, a converted infielder, needed more games in center field for Class AAA Scranton/Wilkes-Barre before he could be promoted for outfield depth. Brett Gardner is on the disabled list because of a broken left thumb and the Yankees will not know the extent of his absence for about two weeks, putting them in the market for outfield help. “We’re going to do everything we can to address it,” said Girardi, who often used Gardner as a late-inning defensive replacement for Johnny Damon or Nick Swisher. Girardi is also concerned about overusing Damon, especially with five of nine games on artificial turf on this trip.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07.....nkees.html

  34. Richie July 28th, 2009 at 12:21 am

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus

    AJ Burnett is just fun to watch.
    If he stays healthy, he could be well worth the contract.
    ___

    Maybe, maybe not. Who knows what kind of stuff he will have at 37, 38, and/or 39?

    So it’s about more than health. The five year contract is a huge risk.

  35. m July 28th, 2009 at 12:23 am

    Am I missing something? We won’t see A.J. at 38 or 39.

  36. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 12:26 am

    Richie: He’s what, 32 now? He’ll be 37 at the end of his contract, and non-Latino pitchers tend to age well. Better than hitters, at least.

    (Latino pitchers, as a group, tend to peak earlier…or at least it seems that way. But as with every generalization, there are of course many exceptions).

  37. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 28th, 2009 at 12:26 am

    Jackson or Curtis it better not be BAM BAM Duncan.

  38. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 12:27 am

    NYY needs to go out and get Justin Christian back from Baltimore. He’s the perfect spare outfielder for the Yankees needs. He has a good glove at three spots in the outfield, hits pretty well and runs like a deer.

  39. tishbi July 28th, 2009 at 12:28 am

    Lincicum gets 15 K’s. Remember, “Hughes is not a pimple on Tim’s fanny”- From the beloved Doggy.

  40. Richie July 28th, 2009 at 12:29 am

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus

    Richie: He’s what, 32 now? He’ll be 37 at the end of his contract, and non-Latino pitchers tend to age well. Better than hitters, at least.
    (Latino pitchers, as a group, tend to peak earlier…or at least it seems that way. But as with every generalization, there are of course many exceptions).
    __

    My bad. Then 35, 36, and 37. My point remains that there will still be issues other than health that could well determine the arc of his remaining career.

  41. Bronx Jeers July 28th, 2009 at 12:29 am

    it’s funny but CC & AJ have been sort of overlooked and were shut out of the ASG.

    But they’ve quietly become the benchmark for a 1-2 tandem this season.

    Sort of ” Don’t mind us, but we’re leading one of the best teams in baseball “

  42. m July 28th, 2009 at 12:31 am

    Okay, just saw the highlight of Alex’s near HR. They showed K-Hud and I can’t believe what I saw. She was missing an article of clothing, and that’s a big pet peeve of mine. I know, I’m a prude. :)

  43. CB July 28th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    Kepner asked Burnett about what why he started pitching better after that Boston melt down.

    AJ’s answer – sticking to the game plan and staying on the same page with Posada.

    “The difference, Burnett said, has been adhering to his game plan and staying in sync with catcher Jorge Posada. In Minnesota on July 8 and again on Monday, Burnett lacked his sharp curveball but Posada guided him through.

    “Jorge and I have come a long way,” Burnett said. “Our relationship is great, and that’s what’s huge right now, the relationship that we have. We joke around at the right time, but when it’s serious time, it’s serious.””

    And evidently it was Posada’s decision to have AJ start throwing more two seam fastballs during the game in order to conserve pitches and get him through the game.

    “With a high pitch count early, he said Posada called more two-seam fastballs to induce ground balls. It worked. Burnett conserved pitches as he got nine outs on grounders in his last four innings.

    A stubborn pitcher early in his career, Burnett, at 32, has learned to adjust. A young Burnett who was missing his curveball would have countered, he said, by overthrowing his fastball.

    “People throw mad balls when things don’t go right,” Burnett said. “You learn a lot. I’m older now, and I know how to put the ball on both sides of the plate with movement.””

    That Posada just doesn’t know how to call a game. How did AJ ever overcome that barrier without the help of Cervelli?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07.....nkees.html

  44. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 12:32 am

    I’m thinking, that one thing that might get lost…

    If you saw the postgame, you saw Swisher saying that he went to Kevin Long and asked for some extra BP because “something didn’t feel right”.

    So for thirty minutes today, he was out there on the field.

    How does it pay off?

    Two home runs tonight.

    When things go well, they really go well.

  45. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 12:33 am

    m
    July 28th, 2009 at 12:31 am
    Okay, just saw the highlight of Alex’s near HR. They showed K-Hud and I can’t believe what I saw. She was missing an article of clothing, and that’s a big pet peeve of mine. I know, I’m a prude.

    ————————————————————

    It was disgusting. How can anyone go to a family setting without wearing socks?

  46. Pat M.... July 28th, 2009 at 12:34 am

    I’m in the minority on this, but for a 2 week stint, i think bring up Jackson for a mid-season cup of coffee would not only be a close cover for Gardner, but would be a good experience for Jackson as well…..Even a form of reward for him…..Certainly would increase his appetite…..

  47. m July 28th, 2009 at 12:34 am

    GB7,

    Ha! Is that what they wore in the old days? :P

  48. m July 28th, 2009 at 12:35 am

    Pat M,

    Great minds. ;)

  49. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 12:37 am

    m
    July 28th, 2009 at 12:34 am
    GB7,

    Ha! Is that what they wore in the old days?

    ————————————————————

    It’s amazing what a good pair of rolled up argyle socks can do for ones appearance.

  50. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 12:37 am

    Pat M: You’re the former player (right?).

    Your voice carries weight.

  51. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 28th, 2009 at 12:39 am

    LOL nomaaas pic :lol:

  52. m July 28th, 2009 at 12:39 am

    GB7,

    Isn’t wool itchy? Never mind. TMI, TMI.

    Pat M,

    I’d love to get a look-see at Jackson before ’10.

  53. Phil July 28th, 2009 at 12:40 am

    Swish almost had three homers tonight. He just missed one that he ended up popping up and anguishing over.

    And let me add my voice to the chorus of AJ praise. That was some kind of performance tonight and it just keeps getting easier for him.

  54. danamis July 28th, 2009 at 12:42 am

    Pete — thank you for the late updates. Great work on the blog as always and I am enjoying reading your recaps more than ever. Thanks again and keep up the good work…I look forward to your insight as the pennant race heats up…

    that being said…I will shut down the naysayers and say that my mancrush on AJ has hit official limits. The guy is in the groove and throwing so well, let’s not a little 21st century pessism get in the way.

  55. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 12:42 am

    m
    July 28th, 2009 at 12:39 am
    GB7,

    Isn’t wool itchy? Never mind. TMI, TMI.

    ————————————————————

    Yes, but, it prepares you for sitting in your easy chair and watching TV in your old age.

  56. m July 28th, 2009 at 12:44 am

    No, Brandon. That one wasn’t funny at all.

    Scroll down to the 7/20 entry of Hideki celebrating his walkoff hit.

    I still have tears in my eyes.

  57. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 12:47 am

    The trades are starting. Indians have traded Ryan Garko to SF for a Class A pitcher, Scott Barnes.

  58. Joe I July 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am

    “The trades are starting. Indians have traded Ryan Garko to SF for a Class A pitcher, Scott Barnes.”

    And the Mariners are getting crushed again, so they’re about to enter the sellers side of the market.

  59. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 28th, 2009 at 12:49 am

    Richie
    July 28th, 2009 at 12:19 am
    Melancon > Albaladejo
    He has more upside than Aceves. But he needs to pitch. A smart manager would find innings for him.
    ===================

    Here, here.

  60. Pat M.... July 28th, 2009 at 12:51 am

    Yes m, my cup of coffee was a 3 stint to AAA Syracuse, as I was reunited with my old Florida State Mgr. Bobby Cox…..Jim Bean Bobby…..

  61. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 12:52 am

    Old friend, Alfonso Soriano had a rough night in Chicago tonight. He was 0-5 with 3 strikeouts and a GIDP through 12 innings. In the 13th inning, he hit a walkoff grand slam.

  62. m July 28th, 2009 at 12:56 am

    Pat M,

    (psst…that was Rebecca who asked)

  63. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 12:58 am

    Pat M: If you played for Syracuse any time between 2005-2008 I couldda seen you play!

  64. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 1:00 am

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
    July 28th, 2009 at 12:58 am
    Pat M: If you played for Syracuse any time between 2005-2008 I couldda seen you play!

    ————————————————————

    His years were 1905-1908.

  65. Bones July 28th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    I don’t even care that we’re winning

    Why isin’t Melancon getting into games? That needs to take prescedent. This isa young stud reliever who is the favorite to replace Mo when he retires and he hasn’t pitched in 4 weeks.

    And guys like Bruney, Albaladeao, and Robertson get to pitch 10 times a week

    It may work in the short tern, but we’re not going to continue our winning ways in the future if Melancon does not get to pitch… you think Bruney/Robertson etc. are getting big outs vs. Boston? No way.

  66. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 28th, 2009 at 1:01 am

    Melky Cabrera now hitting as RHB vs LHP:

    .303/.386/.505

  67. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 1:02 am

    Fuentes just gave up back to backs to Martinez (3 run) and Peralta. 8-6 Indians in the 9th.

  68. Backbench July 28th, 2009 at 1:03 am

    AJ is the reason the NYYs should go out and get Halladay. The Blue Jays pitching coach, who was really sad to see AJ leave, said that Doc took AJ under his wing and taught him to be a better pitcher. We are reaping the rewards.

    Doc would do the same thing for the whole NYY SP staff, including CC (Yes, there is room for improvement there). If it costs one of Joba or Hughes to get him, we should make that deal.

    The young pitcher that stays will be dramatically better by being tutored by DOC, and the one that is traded will come back to NY when Toronto can’t sign him as a FA.

  69. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 1:04 am

    GB, that’s just mean!

  70. pat July 28th, 2009 at 1:04 am

    Shields, Garza and Kazmir, were a combined 37-25 a year ago; this year they are 17-20.

  71. tishbi July 28th, 2009 at 1:05 am

    Victor Martinez is crazy good. We cant let the Red Sox get him !!!!

  72. m July 28th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Bones,

    Wow. Just wow. Their job is to develop a rookie pitcher to take over when Rivera leaves? Never mind that Mo and the gang want to win now?

    Wow. Just wow.

    I suggest you write a letter to the Yankees if you feel that strongly about Melancon.

  73. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
    July 28th, 2009 at 1:04 am
    GB, that’s just mean!

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. I may have been off by a couple of years….but, not by much.

  74. Richie July 28th, 2009 at 1:08 am

    Yeah, we should get Halladay, when he’s free agent in a year and a half.

    The idea of watching Montero and Hughes kick butt for Toronto for 15 years is sickening.

  75. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    tishbi
    July 28th, 2009 at 1:05 am
    Victor Martinez is crazy good. We cant let the Red Sox get him !!!!

    ————————————————————

    Indians just traded Garko. Martinez is going nowhere except first base for Cleveland.

  76. RS July 28th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    “Fuentes just gave up back to backs to Martinez (3 run) and Peralta. 8-6 Indians in the 9th.”

    I love watching the Angels suffer. I hate them almost as much as I hate the Red Sox.

  77. Richie July 28th, 2009 at 1:10 am

    m

    Wow. Just wow. Their job is to develop a rookie pitcher to take over when Rivera leaves? Never mind that Mo and the gang want to win now?
    Wow. Just wow.
    I suggest you write a letter to the Yankees if you feel that strongly about Melancon.
    __

    Bones overstated his case, by a lot, but there is no reason why the Yankees can’t give Melancon some innings while continuing to win. The benefit far outweighs the cost. /Wow. /Just wow.

  78. m July 28th, 2009 at 1:10 am

    lol, Richie. Even if Hughes & Jesus are playing in 15 years, it won’t be in Toronto.

    If anything, Hughes will play for the Red Sox. His dad is saving all his Red Sox stuff for that day.

  79. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 1:11 am

    Strangely, the Angels remind me a lot of the NJ Devils. I love the Devils as much as I love the Yankees, but were the Angels to suddenly be disbanded I would not care.

    Funny how that works, huh?

  80. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 28th, 2009 at 1:12 am

    Nice story on Posada/AJ dynamic.

    Really, AJ inducing groundouts just makes him completely ridiculous.

    LOL.

  81. m July 28th, 2009 at 1:13 am

    Oh, Richie. Did I fall for an easy one? I’m usually not that gullible. If that was sarcasm, well done!

    Side note, how many prospects traded away by the Yankees actually came back and signed a contract in their prime years?

  82. m July 28th, 2009 at 1:14 am

    *If that was sarcasm by Bones.

  83. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 1:15 am

    Kerry Wood comes into the bottom of the 9th inning and gives up a leadoff double to Matthews on a full count pitch. Man, 5 years ago, nobody hit his 97 MPH fastball because it moved. Now, it’s Farnsworth straight.

  84. Dan July 28th, 2009 at 1:18 am

    Rebecca I’m sorry for the Devils .2 second misfortunes. Go Pens!

  85. Richie July 28th, 2009 at 1:19 am

    m,

    OK, let’s say it’s ten years (six years of roster control under the CBA aided by buying out some arbitration years), I still don’t want to see that. I have followed Hughes since he was drafted and Montero since he was an IFA signing. Both are now starting to blossom. I enjoy that baseball gestation process far more than rooting for a hired gun beginning in his 30s. As Cash has said, the Yankees will not pay for a player both in terms of prospects and a big contract. It’s a sound philosophy.

    As for Bones, I thought he was a bit out there in his comment, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

  86. tishbi July 28th, 2009 at 1:20 am

    GB7, Heard that the Indians involved Victor with Lee in a trade to the Dodgers.

  87. Pat M.... July 28th, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Sorry m, I was overwhelmed that someone agreed with me on the call up A. Jackson…….Rebecca, although GB was close, my playing days were from 1971-1974……I did see GB at one of the old timer’s day games……GB, who was the great clown of baseball ?? his name escapes me right now…..But he really was a very good ballplayer in his day…..Man I can see his face, died within the past 7 years or so …..

  88. tishbi July 28th, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Yes, the Indians win!!!!! Man, I hate them Angeles.

  89. RS July 28th, 2009 at 1:22 am

    What a crazy night in Anaheim. Pavano gives up back-to-back-to-back jacks, Angels blow the lead in the 9th inning, and Jose Veras ends up with the win.

  90. Jay July 28th, 2009 at 1:23 am

    Girardi caught Melancon eating ice cream and will not let him pitch for another week

  91. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 1:25 am

    RS: Only in baseball.

  92. Victor July 28th, 2009 at 1:26 am

    Why is the media only talking about Rodriguez taking steroids or how the NYS is a bandbox???

    Why don’t they talk about something intelligent, like how Ben Zobrist has 18 HRs already when he only had 12 all of last year…. yet nobody says anything about that.

  93. Matt K July 28th, 2009 at 1:29 am

    Hughes grew up a Sox fan. The Hughes family are a bunch of Sox fans. If Hughes gets traded to Toronto and becomes a free agent..does he

    A – Resign
    B – Come back to us
    or
    C – Sign with the Sox… hmmm

    I know his daddy wants him to pick C

  94. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes July 28th, 2009 at 1:31 am

    Dan
    July 28th, 2009 at 1:18 am
    Rebecca I’m sorry for the Devils .2 second misfortunes. Go Pens!
    ====
    Guins win!

  95. Pat M.... July 28th, 2009 at 1:33 am

    Yes GB, I played during the dead ball era…..That was a 3 week stint with the Chiefs….

  96. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 1:42 am

    In his second year as Yankees’ manager, and only third year managing over all, Joe Girardi has his team only one game behind the Dodger for the best record in all of baseball.

  97. Boston Dave 2.0 July 28th, 2009 at 1:42 am

    Pete,

    remember that post about run differential a week back?

    well…. now it’s –

    Yankees – +84

    Red Sox – +83

    Rays – +66

    Yanks take the lead!

  98. Boston Dave 2.0 July 28th, 2009 at 1:46 am

    “In his second year as Yankees’ manager, and only third year managing over all, Joe Girardi has his team only one game behind the Dodger for the best record in all of baseball.”

    ———

    Rebecca

    but Girardi is…. well… but… you know… he’s…

    ok, he must be doing something right :)

    If it’s Girardi’s fault if/when they lose, you have to give him some credit when they win.

    #27 is the goal, but I’d say Joe G deserves some slack and a lil’ credit for now.

  99. RBI Man July 28th, 2009 at 1:47 am

    “In his second year as Yankees’ manager, and only third year managing over all, Joe Girardi has his team only one game behind the Dodger for the best record in all of baseball.”

    Who cares? He didn’t pitch Melancon today, he sucks!!!!! Worst manager ever!!!!

  100. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 28th, 2009 at 1:48 am

    Boston Dave and RBI Man: Makes you think, dunnit?

  101. Swish Bats July 28th, 2009 at 1:48 am

    So which superstar will the Sux get for Masterson, Bowden, and Tawaza at the deadline?

    I’ll say V-Mart.

  102. Richie July 28th, 2009 at 1:52 am

    If the Sox want a “superstar,” Bucholz and Kelly have to be in the deal. The other prospects listed are just OK.

  103. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD July 28th, 2009 at 1:53 am

    I’ve been a little out of the loop… did we get Halladay? We seem to be winning a lot.

  104. Boston Dave 2.0 July 28th, 2009 at 1:57 am

    “So which superstar will the Sux get for Masterson, Bowden, and Tawaza at the deadline?

    I’ll say V-Mart.”

    ———–

    not likely. It’s possible but they already rebuffed those offers from the Sox and there’s been no talk of them even shopping him.

    if it’s V-Mart then it’s probably for something closer to Buchholz plus one of of the three you listed.

    If I were the Indians I’d be moving both Lee (unless miraculously they could somehow extend him by this offseason) and Martinez for a bunch of MLB-ready prospects but it seems like they’re keeping both guys.

  105. haiku-man July 28th, 2009 at 1:58 am

    Angels and Indians played tonight Indians won,Jose Veras was the winning pitcher,he’s 4-1, Can you believe?

    Pavano went 6 and got a no decision,ouch!

  106. Boston Dave 2.0 July 28th, 2009 at 2:01 am

    prior to tonight, the Rays were tied for the fewest home losses in all of MLB.

    if the Yanks can win this series in Tampa, it’s no small feat.

  107. haiku-man July 28th, 2009 at 2:03 am

    Talk about an ACE Lincecum pitched 9 inning for a win against the Pirates 4-2,He pitches a lot of 9innings.

  108. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 2:09 am

    Pat M….
    July 28th, 2009 at 1:21 am
    Sorry m, I was overwhelmed that someone agreed with me on the call up A. Jackson…….Rebecca, although GB was close, my playing days were from 1971-1974……I did see GB at one of the old timer’s day games……GB, who was the great clown of baseball ?? his name escapes me right now…..But he really was a very good ballplayer in his day…..Man I can see his face, died within the past 7 years or so …..

    ————————————————————

    LMAO. Sorry, PAT, but, it was just too easy.

    I think the name you’re looking for is Max Patkin.

  109. Pat M.... July 28th, 2009 at 2:19 am

    Max Patkin…Thanks GB…..

  110. bardos July 28th, 2009 at 2:21 am

    buckle up. seatbelts on. a pitcher is coming. many names, but one is coming. only hours away.

    just got off the phone with Brien, my second cousin’s sister-in-law who lives in tierra del fuego, who is very in the loop.

  111. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 2:22 am

    Any time PAT. He used to make some of the parks around the South Bend, Indiana and lower Michigan area, usually with Fast Eddie Feigner…The King And His Court. That guy was absolutely amazing.

  112. Boston Dave 2.0 July 28th, 2009 at 2:33 am

    “Talk about an ACE Lincecum pitched 9 inning for a win against the Pirates 4-2″

    ————-

    except if a Yankee pitcher did that, there’d be posters here saying:

    - “who cares? it was against a crap team like the Pirates”

    - “2 runs. pathetic.”

    - “Girardi sucks. How dare he let him throw 115 pitches. now he’s going to be worn out come playoff time”

    - “who cares about the regular season? he hasn’t done it in the playoffs so he’s useless”

  113. Boston Dave 2.0 July 28th, 2009 at 2:36 am

    “buckle up. seatbelts on. a pitcher is coming. many names, but one is coming. only hours away.

    just got off the phone with Brien, my second cousin’s sister-in-law who lives in tierra del fuego, who is very in the loop.”

    ——-

    not to be confused with Elmo, my third cousin’s landlord’s granddaughters doll that talks when you tickle him.

    he laughed when I asked him if the Yanks should sign Igawa but the Yanks wouldn’t listen.

    now who is laughing?

  114. Garrius July 28th, 2009 at 2:37 am

    except if a Yankee pitcher did that, there’d be posters here saying:

    - “who cares? it was against a crap team like the Pirates”

    - “2 runs. pathetic.”

    - “Girardi sucks. How dare he let him throw 115 pitches. now he’s going to be worn out come playoff time”

    - “who cares about the regular season? he hasn’t done it in the playoffs so he’s useless”

    He didn’t do it against Boston.

  115. Boston Dave 2.0 July 28th, 2009 at 2:38 am

    thanks Garrius… forgot that one

  116. Pat M.... July 28th, 2009 at 3:42 am

    Just bring up Jackson to spell Gardner….Their skill set is similar, and a few weeks in the Bigs will only help both he & the club……

  117. Mike C. July 28th, 2009 at 7:38 am

    Why dont they trade for a guy like Corey Patterson or Ryan Freel?
    I cant imagine these guys costing much other then some money. They seem like perfect stop gap fillers. All they they need is somebody who can pich run or be a late inning defensive replacement. This way you can allow GGBG to take his time coming back.

  118. BBFan July 28th, 2009 at 8:04 am

    “That Posada just doesn’t know how to call a game. How did AJ ever overcome that barrier without the help of Cervelli?”

    CB, your love for Posada is justified.
    But there is no need for snide remarks about Cervelli.

  119. Cash is King July 28th, 2009 at 8:09 am

    “CB, your love for Posada is justified.
    But there is no need for snide remarks about Cervelli.”

    How about all those snide remarks that were made here against Posada?

  120. john_halfz July 28th, 2009 at 8:11 am

    Patterson hit .205/.238/.344 last year. It’s hard to get too enthusiastic about a guy the Nationals can’t find a use for.

  121. BBFan July 28th, 2009 at 8:18 am

    “How about all those snide remarks that were made here against Posada?”

    You argue with the folks making those remarks.
    Cervalli did very well during his stay here, especially when Posada was out injured.

  122. haiku-man July 28th, 2009 at 8:28 am

    Leave Cerevelli alone,he’s the Yankees future,as well as filling in solidly for Posada and Molina.

    Don’t be surprised if the Yankees ~after this season~ let him walk,and bring up Cerevelli to work as back up for Posada.

  123. Mike C. July 28th, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Patterson hit .205/.238/.344 last year. It’s hard to get too enthusiastic about a guy the Nationals can’t find a use for.

    They dont need somebody to be an offensive star. They just need a speed guy who can run down a fly ball.

  124. 86w183 July 28th, 2009 at 8:37 am

    If they aren’t going to promote Jackson they should look into an Anderson — Josh from Detroit or Brian from the White Sox. Niether can hit, but both are excellent defensively.

    Can they really still be carrying 13 pitchers? That’s just too dumb for words. Last night they give four relievers the night off and still don’t use him in a 7-1 game. Send the kid down and let him work for cryin’ out loud.

    I don’t think Pete will be so dismissive of this criticism if Melky gets injured and the Yanks have to go with an Outfield of Swish, Damon and Hinske

  125. Hokiehill July 28th, 2009 at 8:38 am

    This whole Melancon thing just makes me wonder, what kind of sense did it make to DFA Tomko when we could have just sent down Melancon? If they think that highly of him then he should be in the minors getting work like AJax, Pena, Cervelli, etc…I’m sure Tomko could have sat on a bench just as well as Melancon. Was Tomko starting to complain about his inactivity or something?

  126. 86w183 July 28th, 2009 at 8:40 am

    They way I read it, that wasn’t a snide remark about Cervelli, it was a snide remark about Posada’s critics…. and well deserved.

    The more Jorge catches, the better this team is. There really shouldn’t be any debate about that.

  127. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    For all the ridiculous heat Posada took on here from some people, CB is right.

    It was hysterical reading how some folks were convinced EVERYTHING that went wrong in a game was Posada’s fault.

    For every one CB comment about Posada, there were 20 that were Anti-Posada.

    There was no reasoning with these folks. In their minds, Francisco Cervelli should be the everyday catcher based on zero facts. Oh, I take that back. They had Catchers ERA “facts”. A non-stat nobody in baseball uses but, statheads who have no idea how use stats, quote freely.

    Now you have Burnett going public about Posada being the reason he’s pitching better and folks are just supposed to ignore it? I don’t think so.

    I love people who actually believe the Yankees should put developing Mark Melancon, Francisco Cervelli, and any other minor league player they have, over winning.

    If folks truly believe that, its time to go root for the Royals or Marlins and get your developments fixes with those teams.

    Winning takes priority over development. That’s the way it is with the Yankees and any other team that’s interested in winning the World Series.

    Mark Melancon has upside. He also has not pitched well in his brief spurts in NY. No manager is going to risk using a rookie who hasn’t pitched in almost 3 weeks, and didn’t pitch well when given the opportunity, in the first game of an important series, regardless of the score. Its not how managers are wired. Any manager, not just Joe Girardi.

    Some folks spend way too much time worrying about the 24th and 25th men on this roster.

    Its about winning games and moving forward. That’s the priority. Not hugging prospects.

  128. Patrick from CT July 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am

    Things are going great other than the Wanger and little G being hurt.
    I was thinking yesterday that Pena would get the call up but today I’m thinking differently.
    The odds are good for a right hand hitting OF to be up from AAA and starting tonight. Johnnie is looking like he needs a break.
    The Yankees have plenty of power so I’m hoping they bring up a speed guy. Is Jackson ready?

  129. teddy July 28th, 2009 at 8:45 am

    exacly, best way to get mark comfortable, take your time, let him pitch in blows outs, when he pitching well, put in big spots

  130. Rick July 28th, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Next Tuesday and Wednesday the Rays will host Boston for a short 2-game series.
    We’ll all be Rays friendly at that point, the cowbells notwithstanding.

  131. Hokiehill July 28th, 2009 at 8:51 am

    Boston Dave made a case (very early this morning) for the post of the day…

    “not to be confused with Elmo, my third cousin’s landlord’s granddaughters doll that talks when you tickle him.

    he laughed when I asked him if the Yanks should sign Igawa but the Yanks wouldn’t listen.

    now who is laughing?”

  132. zim July 28th, 2009 at 8:54 am

    The home plate umpire last night blew! His strike zone was not consistent. The pitch to ARod was low that Al argued about, and 2 pitches called balls for AJ were strikes for Shields. That umpire sucked and was probably a boston or mets fan.

  133. Russell NY July 28th, 2009 at 8:56 am

    “That umpire sucked and was probably a boston or mets fan.”

    I wouldnt count that out.

  134. Hokiehill July 28th, 2009 at 8:58 am

    people who under-rated what Posada means to the Yankees as a bat as well as a very good game-calling catcher irks me…

    Almost as much as the people who under-value Cervelli’s contribution to the team in filling in for both Molina and Posada…that said, both Posada and Cervelli are where they are supposed to be.

    “I love people who actually believe the Yankees should put developing Mark Melancon, Francisco Cervelli, and any other minor league player they have, over winning.’

    SJ, I agree this is silly, but if he has no hope in getting into a game now, but the Yankees really believe he has a future in the bigs, what’s the point of him sitting on his butt here as opposed to getting some experience in AAA? It obviously doesn’t effect anything as far as wins and losses as he’s not going to get into the game anyway. I’d say send him down when they bring up Gardner’s replacement (assuming it’s not someone we trade for) and let him pitch in AAA a little bit.

  135. vinny-b (keep Montero) July 28th, 2009 at 9:03 am

    SJ:

    any predictions on whether the RedSox will make a big deal? And if so, who it would be?

  136. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 9:05 am

    Hokie,

    Because they don’t have anybody else in AAA at the present time they would rather have up here than Melancon to fill that slot.

    That’s what happens when you are the last guy in the pen. Your work is very, very infrequent. He’s here until they get Marte back and/or acquire another relief pitcher.

    If Edwar was pitching better, he would be in that spot instead of Melancon.

    That’s just the breaks of the game.

    Nobody is running down Cervelli. However, people who were firm in their belief he should have been the everyday catcher over Posada, need to have their heads examined.

    He did a nice job and still has a lot of work ahead of him before he’s a starting catcher in the majors.

    Right now, Posada-Molina is the best possible tandem for the Yankees. In fact, one could argue its the best tandem of catchers on one team in the majors.

    One day, Cervelli MAY be in that mix. Now is not the time.

  137. 86w183 July 28th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    SJ —

    I guess I’m the guy who worries toomuch about the 24th and 25th menon the roster, but you joined me in that chorus earlier when we critcized the makeup of both the 40 and 25-man rosters. What’s changed?

    Do you disagree that carrying 13 pitchers is absurd? They don’t need 12 the way the starters are going let alone 13. A late inning defensive OF who can pinch run would be much more useful than Melancon learing to crochet doilies.

  138. Ramey - Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL July 28th, 2009 at 9:07 am

    SJ;

    Don’t forget all the people that felt we should’ve just released or traded Molina because Cervelli was a far superior bat and had just as many defensive intangibles

  139. Patrick from CT July 28th, 2009 at 9:08 am

    I think they pitched Alby last night because he is going to be sent down.
    Melancon does need to pitch soon are be sent back down to get work.
    How close is Marte? Another lefty could help…

  140. tom tresh 15 July 28th, 2009 at 9:08 am

    SJ,
    Your point was well taken and I agree most of the time.Last night it is a 7-1 lead. Maybe you consider giving Melancon a look? Joe G. knows more baseball than I ever will but maybe give Melancon a little playing time

  141. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 9:10 am

    86,

    The 40 and the 25 are two seperate issues. They carried 13 pitchers the last couple of days because the bullpen was gassed.

    Bruney, Coke, Hughes and Aceves were all unavailable last night. That being the case, its clear why they kept another pitcher on the roster.

    In the next day or so, when they decide which OF will take the spot, they will go back to 12 pitchers.

    They won’t stay at 13 pitchers for the time Gardner is out.

    That’s a temporary situation.

  142. vinny-b (keep Montero) July 28th, 2009 at 9:10 am

    “Don’t forget all the people that felt we should’ve just released or traded Molina because Cervelli was a far superior bat and had just as many defensive intangibles”

    those peoples, i really got a kick out of. Molina was very good last year. Disloyal fans with short memories

  143. Hokiehill July 28th, 2009 at 9:11 am

    “Because they don’t have anybody else in AAA at the present time they would rather have up here than Melancon to fill that slot”

    Joe obviously trusts Alby moreso than Melancon (for some reason) which is why I would say send down Melancon when they bring up someone for the outfield.

  144. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 9:13 am

    That’s not the slot they have Melancon pegged in. They want to use him earlier in games right now.

    If you are Girardi, and you have a 7-1 lead on the road against Tampa, a team that just came back from an 8 run deficit a few days earlier, its not about getting Melancon work. Its about winning the game.

    His choices are, go to Albie and Robertson, both of whom are more experienced and have pitched more (and better) than Melancon at the big league level, or bring in a rookie to face a great offense who hasn’t pitched in 3 weeks.

    Remember, his goal last night was not to use Mo, Bruney, Coke, Hughes and Aceves.

    If you are Girardi, which is the best way to go in that siutation? Managers are always going to take the safe route.

    Its just how they are wired.

  145. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    I think the Yankees are looking to do a couple of things….

    When Marte comes back, Melancon goes back down.

    If they trade for another relief pitcher, Robertson goes back down.

    Once they decide which OF gets the call, Albie goes back down.

    Either way, Melancon will be back in the minors by the end of the week.

  146. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Posted this in the wrong thread…

    As I said last night it’s hard to criticize Joe’s use of Melancon… until last night’s game. It was the first blowout in awhile and the perfect time to use Melancon. Usually I wouldn’t really make a big deal about it but he hasn’t pitched since July 10th and he’s a very highly touted pitcher.

  147. Alan July 28th, 2009 at 9:16 am

    Jarrod Washburn faces the Jays tonight and Yankee scouts will be there to watch his outing.
    Seattle not gaining in the AL west standings will likely be receptive to a deal somewhere for Washburn.
    J.P. Ricciardi’s deadline of today is not etched in stone.
    All things point to his demands for Halladay are too high.
    Cleveland dealt Ryan Garko to SF Giants which makes Victor Martinez less likely to be dealt.

  148. Erica - always OPPC July 28th, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Did you guys see the back of the Daily News this morning? 4 pages dedicated to bashing Minaya. Just what he wanted

  149. Erica - always OPPC July 28th, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Marte is pitching in triple A today

  150. xyz July 28th, 2009 at 9:17 am

    “Jose Veras was the winning pitcher,he’s 4-1, Can you believe?”

    Ummm, yeah, about that, Veras is 0-0 w/the Tribe. He’s sporting a lovely 9.00 ERA w/6BBs & 4Ks.

    In other words, he’s still Jose Veras.

  151. austinmac July 28th, 2009 at 9:18 am

    Absent a trade for a center fielder it seems to me the Yankees must bring up Jackson. He would play 3 times a week and learn a lot from being in the majors. No one knows when or if Gardner will be back this year. My understanding is after two weeks it will be determined if he needs surgery. Having Jackson miss the last month in the minors will not, in my view, particularly harm his development.

  152. Hokiehill July 28th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    SJ, what is the slot Melancon is pegged in? Is he only going to come into the game when we’ve essentially already given up? If that’s the case then what kind of message does that send? I would think that would be just as damaging to a young pitcher’s confidence as blowing a lead. On top of that, any other pitcher is good enough to fill the, this game is over so eat some innings role

  153. Erica - always OPPC July 28th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    The AccuScore playoff chances for this week have been updated.

    The Yankees now have an 85.8% chance of making the playoffs with a 63.5% chance of winning the division. I like those odds

  154. Erica - always OPPC July 28th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    Here is the link to AccuScore for this interested

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns

  155. Ramey - Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL July 28th, 2009 at 9:20 am

    “It was the first blowout in awhile and the perfect time to use Melancon. Usually I wouldn’t really make a big deal about it but he hasn’t pitched since July 10th and he’s a very highly touted pitcher”

    If it was a blowout against Kansas City or Baltimore, then yes, it’s the perfect time to use Melancon. But, against arguably one of the top offenses in baseball, on the road, a few days after they just staged a monumental comeback, you don’t put in a guy who hasn’t thrown in 3 weeks and can easily walk the bases loaded and let them get back in the game. You stick with the better known commodities such as Alby and Robertson. It worked, we won. That’s all that matters.

  156. 86w183 July 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am

    That’s fine rationalization but pure garbage. The only reason the bullpen was tired for one day was that Girardi pulled Mitre too soon. Otherwise the bullpen has had a very light workload since the All-Star break despite playing in a slew of one-run games.

    Melenacon couldn’t pitch the ninth with the score 11-3? C’mon now, that can’t be justified.

    The bottom line is I am right. It’s bad for Melancon to not pitch for (almost) three weeks and that fact alone is proof that him being on the 25-man is poor roster management and poor player development.

  157. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Ramey,

    I want the Yankees to win too, that is priority #1. However, a secondary priority should be to develop young players.

    It doesn’t matter what team the Yanks are playing. They had a huge lead late in the game with Mo sitting in the bullpen ready to come in should anything go wrong.

    Considering how long Melancon has gone without an appearance and his talent, last night was the perfect time to use him.

    I’m not saying Girardi should risk a win just to develop Melancon but putting him in the game last night would hardly be risking the game. It’s no riskier than using Albaladejo and Robertson.

    I’m glad we won but Melancon should have pitched.

    If they can’t trust him to pitch, trade him or send him to the minors.

  158. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am

    His slot is, “they aren’t going to put him in a game against Tampa, whose offense has recently come from 8 runs down to win a game”. That’s his slot.

    They aren’t going to put the kid in that situation after not having pitched in almost 3 weeks. Frankly, it would have been unfair to the kid to put him in that spot.

    If, for example, Hughes and/or Aceves was available last night to back him up, perhaps you think differently. That not being the case, the last thing you want to do is put the kid in a bad spot and that’s why Girardi didn’t go that route.

    He’s in a tough spot but, he’s a tough kid. He will be fine in the long run.

  159. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 9:28 am

    Its not garbage, its fact, and you don’t like the fact.

    They are just starting a 10 game roadtrip with no days off.

    Its not about who pitched on Sunday, its also about thinking ahead.

    If you have a chance to rest your core guys in the pen, you do it. It helps you for games later in the week when they may have to have heavier workloads.

    To give Mo another day off allows them to use him more during the week. That’s more important than getting Melancon work.

    Especially against a team that has shown as late as Saturday, big deficits aren’t too much for them to overcome.

    They just aren’t going to put the kid or the team in a situation that could mess themselves up for games later in the week.

    As it turns out, they made the proper move. They have CC going tonight and a fully rested core part of the pen for the next 2-3 games.

  160. 86w183 July 28th, 2009 at 9:29 am

    SJ —

    Sometimes you are like a dog with a bone. Let it go. Melancon absolutely should have pitched the ninth inning last night OR he has absolutely no reason to be on the roster. It has to be one or the other.

    He had Mariano to back him up for cryin’ out loud… you’ve heard of him, right?

    I was very critical that they carried Tomko so long without using him and he never sat as long as Melancon has. It never makes sense to have 13 pitchers. It never makes sense to have a prime prospect sitting idle for three weeks.

  161. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 28th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    SJ44,

    You’re right, Hughes and Ace weren’t available to back him up. Mariano Rivera was.

    Honestly I can’t see how you are rationalizing that Melancon shouldn’t be used in an 11-3 game. It’s crazy.

    The game was well in hand, even if Tampa starts to come back Mo can come in and lock it down. You don’t want to use Mo but that’s a risk I take. Chances are VERY VERY high that it doesn’t get to that point.

  162. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes - Melancon Watch: Seventeen Days July 28th, 2009 at 9:30 am

    Giving Melancon some work isn’t a luxury, it’s going to be a necessity soon for other arms to absorb some of the workload.

    I’m relieved to see Girardi here acknowledging the BP is tired. Hughes was gutting it out in closing game vs. Oakland, gasping for air, so I’m hoping we stay away from him again tonight.

    With CC throwing, hopefully we need an abbreviated BP. Knocking Kazmir out early would be great, especially if we can go postal on their BP. Blow outs are hard to count on or come by these days, but that would certainly accomplish BP rest for the regulars and a chance to get Melancon at least started.

    http://www.nj.com/yankees/inde.....rdner.html

    Right now we feel we need the extra pitching,” Girardi said. “We have a tired bullpen.”

    - Yankees reliever Mark Melancon has pitched just once — allowing three runs in 2 1/3 innings at Los Angeles — since being recalled on July 10. The Yankees have been engaged in a string of close games, which has limited Melancon’s chances.

    Girardi doesn’t view the rookie as an option in high-leverage situations.

    “The opportunity hasn’t presented itself recently but we think he can help us,” he said.

  163. vinny-b (keep Montero) July 28th, 2009 at 9:32 am

    “His slot is, “they aren’t going to put him in a game against Tampa, whose offense has recently come from 8 runs down to win a game”. That’s his slot”

    : )

  164. Hokiehill July 28th, 2009 at 9:33 am

    My point isn’t that he should have pitched last night SJ, and I’m not trying to get into a big argument with you…but based on his use it hardly seems justified to have him with the big league club while he could be building some solid experience in AAA. Sending him to AAA in no way negatively affects the Yankees because the guy never pitches anyway. As you said, when Marte comes back and the Yankees figure out who the OF replacement is, he will most likely be sent down anyway but in the mean time he’s just wasting away…

  165. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    Why use Mariano when you don’t have to? That’s my point.

    Tampa just came back from an 8 run deficit against Toronto on Saturday. If you have a chance to avoid using Mariano in a blowout game, Girardi is going to do it.

    There was no logical reason to use Melancon in the 9th inning last night.

    Robertson faced one guy in the 8th. There is no reason why he can’t finish that game.

    When its 11-3 in the 9th, the goal is to NOT use Mariano.

    Girardi wasn’t going to take that risk with Melancon.

  166. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 9:36 am

    He’s on the roster until they get another relief pitcher on the roster. Whether that’s Marte or someone they acquire by trade.

    By this time next week, its almost assured he’s going to be back in Scranton. They aren’t hurting him by keeping him in NY for another week.

  167. vinny-b (keep Montero) July 28th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    does Theo pull a rabbit out the hat, and make a big deadline deal?

  168. Andrew July 28th, 2009 at 9:37 am

    Melancon at least was throwing out in the bullpen, so his arm was being used for something slightly baseball-related. I assume he’s spent most of his free time since July 10 shaving his head and eating sunflower seeds and what not. One part of this discussion I don’t really understand/agree with is the thought that his huge sample size of 5 appearances for the Yankees has caused him to be buried in the bullpen.

    His pitching in all of 5 games is not and should not be considered the reason why he’s collecting dust as Pitcher #11/12. It’s because the other 6 guys in the bullpen have established themselves and grabbed all the “roles” in the ‘pen, leaving MM as the odd man out who is just waiting for the stars to align (a bullpen-heavy game against a bad team) to allow him to get into a game.

    His time will come, but it is frustrating because I do believe he has the ability to contribute to the major league team right now. At the same time, I am really happy with how the bullpen has performed without relying on his development. It’s amazing to think that they have enough without trying to build up Melancon, since most people thought he would be a key to the 2009 pen by the middle of the year.

  169. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes - Melancon Watch: Seventeen Days July 28th, 2009 at 9:40 am

    86w183
    July 28th, 2009 at 9:21 am
    That’s fine rationalization but pure garbage. The only reason the bullpen was tired for one day was that Girardi pulled Mitre too soon. Otherwise the bullpen has had a very light workload since the All-Star break despite playing in a slew of one-run games.
    Melenacon couldn’t pitch the ninth with the score 11-3? C’mon now, that can’t be justified.
    The bottom line is I am right. It’s bad for Melancon to not pitch for (almost) three weeks and that fact alone is proof that him being on the 25-man is poor roster management and poor player development.
    =====

    You are right. It’s not really a reach to feel he should have pitched last night. Especially if Girardi believes, like those of us who are familiar with the larger body of work – that he can help us.

    He had him up, and if Robertson hadn’t gotten that long flyout that Damon leaped for, we might have seen him then and there.

    But the logical thing would have been, since he hasn’t worked, to START the inning, so that if he was wobbly to the point that the eight-run lead was in some sort of real jeopardy, you could summon help from someone who has actually pitched recently.

    What that would have done is at least make what is a great young arm more serviceable for duty in the coming days.

  170. 86w183 July 28th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    Moving on…

    What about getting Brian or Josh Anderson for the OF? The main thing they need is defense, followed by speed. Both guys have plenty in that regard. Admittedly neither can hit, but that’s why they’re available. I think it’s the biggest need on the team at the moment.

    Bronson Arroyo is not $ 16 Million better than Sergio Mitre whichis the difference in what they’ll earn in the next year and a half. Washburn would be a better fit, but at what cost?

  171. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes - Melancon Watch: Seventeen Days July 28th, 2009 at 9:44 am

    One part of this discussion I don’t really understand/agree with is the thought that his huge sample size of 5 appearances for the Yankees has caused him to be buried in the bullpen.
    His pitching in all of 5 games is not and should not be considered the reason why he’s collecting dust as Pitcher #11/12. It’s because the other 6 guys in the bullpen have established themselves and grabbed all the “roles” in the ‘pen, leaving MM as the odd man out who is just waiting for the stars to align (a bullpen-heavy game against a bad team) to allow him to get into a game.
    =====

    That is extremely well stated and true.

    It’s absurd that the Yankees would leap to judgment on such a highly prized arm. That’s just the knee jerk Yankee fan’s false conclusion.

    The fact is, we’ve been getting tremendous length from our SP – “middle relief” has barely sniffed a game until recently. That’s good going forward, but now fatigue has set in and the quartet of Coke-Aceves-Hughes-Mo need a blow here and there.

  172. Ramey - Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL July 28th, 2009 at 9:47 am

    “But the logical thing would have been, since he hasn’t worked, to START the inning, so that if he was wobbly to the point that the eight-run lead was in some sort of real jeopardy, you could summon help from someone who has actually pitched recently.”

    So then you would’ve just wasted Robertson on 1 batter in the 8th? That’s leaving Melancon as the last guy to get 3 outs or you have to turn it over to Mariano. That’s too risky a move for Girardi to stomach.

  173. BlueshirtBrawler July 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am

    No question Melancon should have been in this game tonight after Albaladejo imploded, once again! Not sure why we keep giving Albie chances when Melancon hasn’t thrown in nearly three weeks. Why is he even on the roster if he’s not going to pitch? Of course there could be worse things in the world as the Yankees are now 10-1 since the break. Hard to find anything wrong with the way Girardi is handling the team or in the way that the team is playing.

  174. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 28th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    “There was no logical reason to use Melancon in the 9th inning last night.”

    Yes there was, you just are refusing to see it.

    Look, it’s fine you don’t want them to use Melancon ever but if you can’t use him in an 11-3 game he shouldn’t be on the team. End of conversation.

    I DO think he should be on the team, thus I think he should have pitched last night.

    You are trying to rationalize this but it’s really not working. Melancon should have been in the game.

    I’m gone for ahwile, have fun

  175. Andrew July 28th, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Ramey, it wouldn’t necessarily have been wasting D-Rob on the 1 batter in the 8th. In fact you could argue that it might have done him good to leave the game on the super-high note of striking out Pena in a big situation, a rare big situation appearance for him. Plus, then he would be fresh and available for more than 1 inning tonight should CC have a bad game, also allowing Girardi to continue to rest one or two of Hughes/Coke/Aceves so they can get back to 100%.

    I am just playing Devil’s Advocate on that, though–I see both sides of the argument (leave Robertson in for the 9th vs. bring in Melancon for much-needed, “low leverage even though it’s Tampa Bay” work), and personally I was just happy the team won. But this is the fun stuff to argue about the day after.

  176. Cash is King July 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    “You argue with the folks making those remarks.
    Cervalli did very well during his stay here, especially when Posada was out injured.”

    Well, I’m arguing with you now because Cervelli was fine, but he’s not a ML starting catcher yet.

  177. BlueshirtBrawler July 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    By the way, I still don’t understand the rules for earning a save. Robertson came in with two men on and the score was 7-3. So the tying run wasn’t at the plate, he was in the on deck circle. Is that how they award saves? A potential tying run that hasn’t even come to the plate yet? The rules are a bit ridiculous then. No wonder there have not been that many closers to reach the Hall of Fame. The rules are a bit soft.

  178. Ramey - Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL July 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am

    “No question Melancon should have been in this game tonight after Albaladejo imploded, once again! Not sure why we keep giving Albie chances when Melancon hasn’t thrown in nearly three weeks”

    Because Alby hadn’t pitched in 3 weeks either, and guess what???? HE WAS RUSTY! How has he “imploded again”? When he got called back up 3 weeks ago, he was the winning pitcher in 2 games and hadn’t allowed a run in 3 appearances before being inactive for 3 weeks…

  179. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes - Melancon Watch: Seventeen Days July 28th, 2009 at 9:54 am

    Ramey – Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL
    July 28th, 2009 at 9:47 am
    “But the logical thing would have been, since he hasn’t worked, to START the inning, so that if he was wobbly to the point that the eight-run lead was in some sort of real jeopardy, you could summon help from someone who has actually pitched recently.”
    So then you would’ve just wasted Robertson on 1 batter in the 8th? That’s leaving Melancon as the last guy to get 3 outs or you have to turn it over to Mariano. That’s too risky a move for Girardi to stomach.
    ============

    Yes, I would have. Robertson worked the day before.

    I am looking at the long-term health of my core BP guys, and the opportunity to get an arm in that could have a large impact on my BP depth gas I go toward my ultimate goal – one that hasn’t worked in 3 weeks – in the most low leverage situation imaginable – I would not have wasted.

    Hopefully, a similar situation presents itself and Girardi gives him some work. Either that or get him demoted so he remembers how to pitch.

  180. charlestonchew July 28th, 2009 at 9:56 am

    I’m taking Mitre over Arroyo – no doubt in my mind about it.

    Duchscherer seems like a good trade target – since he can slot into the rotation or the bullpen and he’s pretty high reward and medium risk. He would only cost a B level prospect or two. Mitre and Aceves are more than enough to get us into the post season. Plus, Joba can go some over his “innings limit.” We don’t even know what that limit is, anyways.

    And last time I checked, the “innings limit” didn’t apply to the playoffs. But I’m not sure whether that’s me misremembering or not.

  181. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes - Melancon Watch: Seventeen Days July 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    I am going along for the ride because it’s the current discussion.

    But I have to say, the notion that a wobbly Melancon is going to completely unravel to the tune of eight runs – just because it’s Tampa Bay – is a little ridiculous.

    Girardi had options if he got it twisted for too long. It’s a BS argument, really.

  182. Andrew July 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    “So the tying run wasn’t at the plate, he was in the on deck circle. Is that how they award saves? A potential tying run that hasn’t even come to the plate yet? The rules are a bit ridiculous then. ”

    Yup, once the tying run reaches the on-deck circle it is considered a save situation. While that part of the rule is definitely silly, to me it’s also ridiculous that Robertson wouldn’t have gotten a Save had someone else pitched the 9th inning. Even though it was the 8th inning, he was the one responsible for keeping the game 7-3, so he should still get the statistical reward of the Save even if he’s taken out after getting that vital last out. But obviously that’s a moot point considering he stayed in…but still, the Save stat is pretty lame in general.

  183. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes - Melancon Watch: Seventeen Days July 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am

    Me too – unless it’s Luis Arroyo.

  184. BlueshirtBrawler July 28th, 2009 at 9:59 am

    “Because Alby hadn’t pitched in 3 weeks either, and guess what???? HE WAS RUSTY! How has he “imploded again”?”

    What are you talking about? RUSTY??? Albaladejo pitched last Tuesday and last Friday for Scranton:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=452293

    Melancon hasn’t pitched for anyone since July 10th!

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....erId=29446

  185. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am

    It would have made no sense to use Robertson for one batter and then put Melancon in to start the 9th. That leaves Mo to back him up if he has trouble and that’s something Girardi was looking to avoid, as I pointed out in a previous post.

    Melancon will be back in Scranton by next week so, its a non-issue.

    Other guys have performed well and he’s not going to unseat Bruney, Hughes and Aceves for front end work in the pen.

    They also aren’t going to keep him on the roster for the rest of the season.

    He will get his chance again but not right now because too many bodies are in front of him.

  186. bodhisattva - Destiny Wears Pinstripes - Melancon Watch: Seventeen Days July 28th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    RAMEY,

    If I’m not mistaken, Alby pitched fairly recently for Scranton.

    Alby is fine when his sinker is working, but he’s really a limited reliever. Melancon is a superior arm. I would want to get him going more than the other guy.

    It could be the Yankees are more cavalier about Melancon because they have Joba on his IC, and figure he will be joining the BP at some point. Still, I want as many quality arms coming out of there as possible – and it just makes no sense to have a arm like that up here and let it languish.

    The ASB also has figured into his lack of use, which is an unfortunate quirk of the schedule for him.

  187. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am

    Its not a BS argument. You act as if he would be lights out and that hasn’t been the case in ANY of his outings, let alone now having to pitch for the first time in 3 weeks.

    If anything, it would have been unfair to put the kid in that situation.

    Girardi was looking not to use Mo if at all possible.

    If you use Robertson for one hitter in the 8th and have Melancon pitch the 9th, Mo is backing him up.

    Why go there if you don’t have to?

    No manager, not even Torre, would put a rookie in that spot.

    He’s the 13th guy on a 12 man pitcher roster right now. That means, he’s here until reinforcements arrive.

  188. Christina- New Pictures from Yankes Game! July 28th, 2009 at 10:06 am

    SJ- It was 11-3, not 11-7. The Yankees had plenty of room to work with. If you don’t trust Melancon with a 8 run lead, when do you trust him?

  189. Fan mail from some flounder July 28th, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Melancon? Who’s he? BWAAA HAAA HAAA… Steroid user no doubt. BWAAA HAAA HAAA!!

    Pete should rename this to “Flogging a dead horse blog”.

  190. 86w183 July 28th, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Ramey —

    Albaladejo hadn’t pitched for the Yankees since July 9, but he made five appearances for Scranton in between that date and last night so I don’t think “rust” is a legit excuse.

    Melancon’s ERA is 6.35. I think it’s safe to assume he could limit the Rays to seven in one inning (ERA 63.00). He hasn’t pitched since July 10.

    Can we talk about finding an OF and move off this subject?

  191. SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    This issue isn’t just the score. Its what all of you fail to understand.

    The issue is having Mo as the lone backup in the pen because 4 other guys weren’t available.

    Mariano is 39 years old and you will need him for more important games down the stretch.

    Everytime you can give Mo another day, you do it.

    That’s why Girardi was not going to waste Robertson for one batter, go to Melancon in the 9th, and have Mo as the backup if Melancon struggled.

    That’s a bad spot to put a rookie in who hasn’t pitched in 3 weeks.

    All you have to do is look over to the Tampa dugout last night for reasons why you don’t do it.

    Maddon put Brian Shouse into the game in his first game back from being inactive for a long time. One inning, 4 runs, and he got smoked.

    That’s the kind of thing Girardi was looking to avoid last night with his bullpen short on manpower.

  192. charlestonchew July 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    I almost always agree with you SJ, but there was no reason not to use Melancon last night. I can’t find one.+

  193. Ramey - Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL July 28th, 2009 at 10:12 am

    “Albaladejo hadn’t pitched for the Yankees since July 9, but he made five appearances for Scranton in between that date and last night so I don’t think “rust” is a legit excuse.”

    Yep, you’re right. That was my bad

  194. Andrew July 28th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    ” You act as if he would be lights out and that hasn’t been the case in ANY of his outings, let alone now having to pitch for the first time in 3 weeks.”

    That is 100% wrong. He was “lights out” in his first 2 (out of all of 5) big league outings. So, another grand overstatement. I also think that Albaladejo is the 13th guy on a 12-man pitching staff considering he was the guy most recently added and who has really intesnely been riding the Scranton/NY shuttle this year.

  195. Ramey - Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL July 28th, 2009 at 10:21 am

    “That is 100% wrong. He was “lights out” in his first 2 (out of all of 5) big league outings”

    No, no he wasn’t. In his first appearance against Boston, he pitched a 1,2,3 inning then in his 2nd inning he loaded the bases with nobody out and wiggled his way out of a jam. That’s not exactly “lights out” So he’s only had success in 1 outing of his major league career.

    In the future he will be very good, he has a lot of upside, but using him in an 8 run lead isn’t exactly thinking the door is slammed shut. Tampa just came back from 8 runs down against Accardo, Downs and Camp, guys who are proven major leaguers.

  196. Andrew July 28th, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Ramey 2 shutout innings against Boston is not something many Yankees pitchers were able to accomplish this year. You also forget that he pitched a scoreless frame against Detroit in a game that Hughes started shortly after the Boston series. The bottom line is it is stupid to talk about his performance like he’s been some god-awful, overmatched newbie who belongs back in the minors, whereas the main issues are: 1) he has not pitched at all even though he’s been on the roster for a lot of the season, 2) his results have been a mixed bag, but far from terrible and far from “completely untrustworthy with an 8-run lead”.

  197. MG July 28th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    I think most of you who keep this ridiculous dialog about Melancon going are the ones who can’t wait for Robby Cano to not get a hit with RISP so you can trash him.

    The Yankees are 10-1 since the break, they are not only playing well they are being properly managed. Mitre gave up 9 hits in 5+ innings the other day and he was ‘taken out too early’? He was probably 1 batter away from 10 hits and more runs, Girardi knew exactly what he was doing. He also probably left Pettitte in too long on Saturday but that’s what you do with a veteran pitcher with a long and successful career, not a guy less than 2 years off TJ surgery and pitching in only his second game back.

    Instead of criticizing every move made by Girardi and Cashman, criticizing every error and ‘mental mistake’ made by players like Cano, Swisher, Damon, Posada, Matsui, Arod, etc, etc, etc maybe some of you should actually watch a few games without thinking you know more than the pros, you might actually learn something.

  198. Erica - always OPPC July 28th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    New thread :arrow:

    Everyone can argue all in one spot

  199. GreenBeret7 July 28th, 2009 at 11:04 am

    Andrew
    July 28th, 2009 at 10:15 am
    ” You act as if he would be lights out and that hasn’t been the case in ANY of his outings, let alone now having to pitch for the first time in 3 weeks.”

    That is 100% wrong. He was “lights out” in his first 2 (out of all of 5) big league outings. So, another grand overstatement. I also think that Albaladejo is the 13th guy on a 12-man pitching staff considering he was the guy most recently added and who has really intesnely been riding the Scranton/NY shuttle this year.

    ————————————————————

    He’s had one game in five that he hasn’t put runners on. In the Angels game in May, he gave up one of his own runs but allowed 3 inherited runners. In the July game, he gave up 3 runs. He hasn’t been lights out. Even in one of the two games that he didn’t allow a run, he gave up a walk and a hit.

  200. dominique July 28th, 2009 at 11:28 am

    M–She rarely wears that particular article of clothing–she doesn’t really need to. She’s a fairly unconventional individual so get used to it. (Eschews makeup, has ruled out boob enhancements, etc.) She’s pretty much a tomboy. I mean that in a complimentary way.

  201. Brian July 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    On Yanks Winning & Melancon…Firstly, until they prove they can win the games that count (Red Sox), they haven’t won anything. They are merely doing what a $200 Million team should do.

    Secondly, Melancon’s history, record recovery from TJ Surgery and dominating at every level of the minors last year and almost universal agreement on his outstanding work ethic, character, and make suggests he is a very special prospect.

    The Yanks have every right to take a “win now” approach. It’s their money, after all. However, once Cashman decided that restocking the farm system and player development was a priority, he surely had to understand that short-term success and long-term development are not mutually exclusive. Patience and the ability to compromise are required.

    Melancon’s upside suggests he deserves that patience. He has already proven that career threatening setbacks would only make him stronger. If the Yanks really believe he can’t be trusted even in blow-out games, then they should test his value on the trade market. I think the teams with a keen eye for talent and player development would be lining up for someone like him. In a year or so the Yanks will be looking for that “steely eyed bulldog” who doesn’t shrink under Yankee Stadium lights to replace Rivera. Bruney or Marte are unlikely options. Melancon, if allowed to continue to develop is the likely heir-apparent.

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