Aceves admits to sore shoulder
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Remember before the game when Joe Girardi said that Alfredo Aceves was being rested because he was tired? As expected, there is more to it than that.
Aceves said his shoulder has been bothering him for several days. “It’s fatigued,” he said.
Aceves will play catch tomorrow to try and gauge his readiness to return to the bullpen. He does not think he is injured, only worn down a little.
“I know what kind of pain lets you pitch and what kind of pain don’t let’s you pitch,” Aceves said. “This one will let me pitch.”
Will the news that Chien-Ming Wang is done for the season (and beyond) and that Aceves has a sore shoulder spur Brian Cashman into action on the trade market? Stay tuned.
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well fatigue is the same thing as tired….girardi didnt really say anything deceiving in my opinion
Here comes Boston… ready to take back the game. Unreal. I think the racist fenway crowd has an effect on teams in the late innings.
Sore as in Chien Ming Wang sore
prbly fatigue, Ace knows himself. Doubt it forces Cash.
Ah man, didn’t Wang have a “tired” shoulder as well?
It’s probably sore due to that spot start he made. That’s why I know there’s no way they are going to risk Hughes’ arm by putting him in the rotation.
Looks like Cash will have to dig up another starter from somewhere.
Annnnd here come the Sox.
Off to bed.
Erp. Hope Ace is okay, Yanks need him.
FWIW, Sabathia’s next scheduled start would be against Mark Buerhle, barring rain outs or injuries.
Oh geez………
I dont think there is a chance Pedroia gets out here.
Isn’t tired and fatigued the same thing?
Ace is feeling pain? Unbelievable……..should he be DL’d?
Sawks with the predictable comeback.
wow good job bailey…phew
close one.
“Sawks with the predictable comeback.”
Yeah, they came all the way back and lost.
Finally, Sawks lose.
Red Sox lose. That makes this loss by us not so bad.
We played about as bad as possible and got the worst possible luck and still could have won. Red Sox played about as good as they can play and lost. All in all, good night.
Well Cash will certainly make a trade now – Melancon is going to get more time now!
Oakland holds on, yay.
LOL that loss makes me feel a bit better – terrible loss by the Sox and their pen is shot.
and the idiot Eck complained about bad luck for Pap blowing the save, when Pap is by far the luckiest 100 save pitcher in the history of the game.
Great work As! We should be up 3.5 tonight, but meh…
Anyway, why are pitchers afraid to report pain? It’s really a problem.
I guess this is what happens when you get used 1 million different ways. His appearances are any where from 12 pitches or 30 or 50. A lot of people said he probably shouldn’t of made that start he wasn’t stretched out and it definitely didn’t help. Hopefully he is ok. The Yanks have definitely protected the young guys better. Hopefully Hughes isn’t the next one he has been used a lot also.
At least the bullpen should be well rested for tomorrow – mainly Hughes, Coke, and Mo.
Red Sox lose and the usual crybabies on here after a Yankee loss can now relax.
There isn’t a pitcher anywhere at this time a year who isn’t sore. It’s the nature of the job.
If there is no structural damage, he doesn’t have to be DL’ed.
Rest will do the trick.
great to see the Sox lose, now Joba please give the Yanks 7 solid tomorrow night and lets get a series win:)
“I know what kind of pain lets you pitch and what kind of pain don’t let’s you pitch,”
And of course there’s also the kind of pain that your GM feels when he realizes that he needs another pitcher.
Is all this pain in our pitchers shoulders just a precursor to the “hurt” Riccardi was talking about?
(Posted on the last thread…..)
One interesting note that has not been discussed…. I emailed this to Pete and did not get a response yet:
Re: Skipping a Joba start to avoid using Mitre in first game vs. Boston….
Pete,
Has Girardi discussed the rotation going into next week?
The Yanks have an off day on Aug 3 – a day that Joba would have been scheduled to pitch. I would skip his turn in the rotation (save some innings) and use Pettitte and Mitre against Toronto. This way, when the Boston series starts – I keep AJ and CC on regular rest – games 1 and 2 – and then use Joba in game 3 before going back to Pettitte on his regular rest for the Sunday night game. Joba would get a nice 9 day rest and we would not have to see Mitre against Boston in that first game which to me is a very big game.
What do you think?
Kudos to Ace for having enough foresight to let the team know that his shoulder was fatigued.
The last thing that any team needs is a guy injuring himself farther while trying to gut it out and be a hero.
Maybe a little more R and R will heal the problem for him, because his arm is a vital cog in the Yankee machine.
“Jim Pir-one July 28th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
and the idiot Eck complained about bad luck for Pap blowing the save, when Pap is by far the luckiest 100 save pitcher in the history of the game.”
the media that has anointed him the next great closer may want to eat their words, he may be another Gagne…I think Papelbum classless so I love to see him fail
Washburn’s ERA down to 2.59
and he’s looking like he could throw a complete game shutout tonight.
flyball pitcher or not… he’s doing something right this year
Evan,
I looked at the schedule and totally agree with you. I would guess they looked at that as well. All of that will depend on what happens by the deadline.
SJ44, I admit I go into panic mode pretty easily,lol. It’s my nature to need things to go in a perfectly straight line, with no deviations. I hope you’re right – I just saw “pain” and got nervous. To be fair, the comment Ace made about knowing what pain you can pitch with and what you can’t is something I’ve heard from other pitchers.
I like post-game threads, lol. I hate to lose, too, but tonight was a joke, with all the posts about shutting the tvs off or just overall giving up. Maybe they are all practicing reverse psychology, hoping the Yankees would turn things around based on their blog posts…….Nah.
in fairness, the word sore seems to be coming from the media end. Ace and Girardi are talking fatigue.
J-Dawg, good point. I understand athletes’ competitive natures, but not when it comes to pitching hurt. They don’t have enough foresight to realize that they could only hurt themselves even worse……..and really hurt the team.
“And somewhere…..well, you know the rest…”
…but there ain’t no joy in beantown, the mighty elfkin just flied out!!!!!
YOU ARE DA BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST, BOD!
“Red Sox played about as good as they can play and lost.”
Hey, I don’t blame you guys for being happy about the Sox loss, but to say they played as good as they can????
That is a comical statement considering the Sox gave up 3 runs in the ninth after two outs. That is not playing as good as they can.
No joy in MunchkinLand
At least it takes some of the bad taste away from tonight’s mess.
Was CC crying?
So Ray how’s that Bowden for Halladay deal working out?
“So Ray how’s that Bowden for Halladay deal working out?”
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be nice to ray.
he’s one of the (few
) good ones
Sending Nick Green a thank you note….
Still helping the Yanks long after he’s gone.
sj44
Bod, I am still laughing. This one is for you!
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in beantown — the little elfkin just flied out.
Texas only 1 1/2 games behind Boston for the WC.
Not sure if that should make me happy or not.
I guess it depends on if you believe the Yanks can take the division.
I do, so therefore I am happy Texas keeps winning.
Boston Dave,
Any predictions on where Halliday ends up or does he stay in Toronto?
Anybody else concerned about a panic move from the sux? With CC and Ace all showing fatigue, I would be.
(Being nicer to Ray)
Philly or nowhere
“That is a comical statement considering the Sox gave up 3 runs in the ninth after two outs. That is not playing as good as they can.”
True, but it is about as good as we’d like them to play…
ray,
perhaps it’s wishful thinking but I think he stays in Toronto.
I think the Phillies are going to pick up Cliff Lee leaving Toronto without a realistic suitor since they won’t give him to Boston or Toronto without getting “the untouchables”
Boston or NY, that is
of course what do i know?
L to the 2nd
July 28th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
(Being nicer to Ray)
“Philly or nowhere”
You are too kind.
I also wonder if Cleveland trades both Cliff Lee and Martinez as a package deal.
Not that I have to reiterate SJ’s point…..
you can never have enough pitching.
oh man, this isnt good…we’re gonna have to trade for halladay,cliff lee and washburn so we can put joba and pettite in the bullpen so they can cover aceves right? lol!
JK if noone caught the sarcasm…
This really isnt a big deal unless its more than a “sore sholder”…this is like his real first whole season in the big leagues, so he’s gonna get sore throughout the season and he has been an innings eater…so not surprised. If i were the yanks i would go after lee or washburn over halladay or any other RIGHTY.
B/c…you want a lefty in the playoffs…and during the playoffs you face the best lineups and they are even in a better mind-set..so putting pettite on that mound = loss and 5-6 runs over 3-4 innings. He’s better off in the bullpen. joba would be better off in the playoff rotation than pettite…cliff Lee would be IDEAL!
YOU ARE DA BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST, BOD!
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picture emoticon blowing kisses
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It gets better: Brett Anderson is pitching against Little Dusty and the Boys tomorrow.
Boston losing tonight isn’t going to change trade thoughts anymore than NYY’s loss or Tampa’s win will change things for them. If they weren’t willing to trade the farm before, tonight changed nothing.
Phillies (if they don’t get Doc)
Dodgers
Brewers (dark horse)
…or bust
SJ44 July 28th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Red Sox lose and the usual crybabies on here after a Yankee loss can now relax.
Sir, can’t you just let people express themselves here without commenting negatively about it???
It really doesn’t matter what anybody says. This is a blog, its about having fun. Let people say their thing.
Oh, Oh!!! Ray’s in the house, tonight. Hide the silverware.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who truly isn’t worried about where Doc ends up
July 28th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Bod, I am still laughing. This one is for you!
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in beantown — the little elfkin just flied out.
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LMFAO! Picture mucho clappy emoticon!
And that is a very well-structured poem, I might add!
Just get the feeling TOR, CLE & SEA will price themselves out of the market…unless they start dropping their demands, and fast.
Boston Dave 2.0
July 28th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
“So Ray how’s that Bowden for Halladay deal working out?”
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be nice to ray.
he’s one of the (few ) good ones
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Just don’t get real close to Ray. Before he leaves, check your wallet, watch and fillings.
Ugh. Aceves said when he first came up to the Bronx to be a reliever that he didn’t know if his arm could handle the unusual schedule.
Let’s hope rest relieves it. But that’s what they said about Edwar, Damaso, and Wang.
The main thing is that the rotatation stay healthy.
I don’t want to here CC or anyone here say “120 pitch game”. If there’s a problem you say “3 days rest for 12 straight days”.
If it’s mechanical, it can be fixed. CC had issues early in the season, diagnosed the issue, and fixed it. If he’s getting fatigued, then keep him on the 100 pitch count diet plan.
I didn’t watch the game live, but sounds like the defense was putrid. Giving the Rays extra outs didn’t help CC at all.
GreenBeret7
July 28th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
“Boston losing tonight isn’t going to change trade thoughts anymore than NYY’s loss or Tampa’s win will change things for them. If they weren’t willing to trade the farm before, tonight changed nothing.”
Something is very wrong here because I am agreeing with GB!!
I hope you are well GB.
ray (sox fan)
You’re right. I was just feeling good when I made the statement as good as they can play. That’s obviously not the case.
Some bad luck went against them in the 9th, and because that’s so rare, I was high on excitement.
GreenBeret7
July 28th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
“Oh, Oh!!! Ray’s in the house, tonight. Hide the silverware.”
I am overcome with your thoughtfulness!!
ray I got to ask do you still love Papelbom?
Not a problem at all Jim!
“Red Sox played about as good as they can play and lost.”
They made 3 errors and Papelbon blew a save. Unfortunately, I think I’ve seen them play much better than that this year.
ray (sox fan)
July 28th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
L to the 2nd
July 28th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
(Being nicer to Ray)
“Philly or nowhere”
You are too kind.
I also wonder if Cleveland trades both Cliff Lee and Martinez as a package deal.
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Evening, Ray. How’s the (sox fan) family? all’s well, I hope.
That would take just about every top tier prospect in the system to get both, plus a Pedroia from the 25 man roster, I’d think.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 28th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
“ray I got to ask do you still love Papelbom?”
Hey Brandon, to be honest I have never been a big fan of Papelbon.
If Bard is not dealt in some trade I think the Sox are grooming him to be the closer before Papelbon’s contract is up.
Papelbon has a decent number of saves but he has not been near as dominant or effective as before.
You guys making Bard untradeable?
ray (sox fan)
July 28th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
GreenBeret7
July 28th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
“Boston losing tonight isn’t going to change trade thoughts anymore than NYY’s loss or Tampa’s win will change things for them. If they weren’t willing to trade the farm before, tonight changed nothing.”
Something is very wrong here because I am agreeing with GB!!
I hope you are well GB.
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You just caught me on a bad night, Ray. (I guess the name “Ray Knight” is as welcome as “Bucky Dent”, huh?
I’m doing great, tonight, Ray Thanks for asking. Hope all is well your way.
stop calling people names
“I didn’t watch the game live, but sounds like the defense was putrid.”
Tex got 5 inches shorter overnight, 1B in the Trop was in a sink hole or Derek and Alex’s aim was off. I haven’t decided which it was.
pat -
read my previous comment.
From the Snark Tweeter himself (aka John W. Henry)
“How did we lose that game? Let me count the ways. Tough loss.” 11:41 pm
Gammons said earlier the RS are “worried” about Papelbon. Any truth to that? Would make sense if Bard is “untouchable” as the current posturing suggests.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 29th, 2009 at 12:00 am
“You guys making Bard untradeable?”
I think the Sox are quite high on Bard, but I don’t think he is untouchable.
Yahoo sports was reporting that the Sox offered Bucholtz, Bard, and a top prospect not named for Halliday.
what a child John Henry is!
Mr. Steinbrenner gets insulted and now his sons get insulted for everything. But this 70 year old child sits on twitter making comments about the NYY when they were riding high, and nobody in the media bashes him.
Snark Twitter… a lot of that going around, lol.
pat
July 29th, 2009 at 12:00 am
“I didn’t watch the game live, but sounds like the defense was putrid.”
Tex got 5 inches shorter overnight, 1B in the Trop was in a sink hole or Derek and Alex’s aim was off. I haven’t decided which it was.
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Defense in right field and on the left side of the infield was terrible, but, at most, it cost just two runs. Sabathia was just off, tonight and Kazmir found his Kazmirian fastball, tonight. He was outstanding.
OMG you’re so cool Henry, sitting with Kid Rock.
Has Kid Rock joined the Red Sox bandwagon as many celebrities before him have?
“I think the Sox are quite high on Bard, but I don’t think he is untouchable.
Yahoo sports was reporting that the Sox offered Bucholtz, Bard, and a top prospect not named for Halliday.”
It’s prbly Lars but I heard they (TOR) also want the greek god of walks too.
I still see Philly or nothing for Doc.
The clock has struck midnight and JP’s deadline is past. Where’s Roy?
That “line in the sand” got washed away
“It’s prbly Lars but I heard they (TOR) also want the greek god of walks too. I still see Philly or nothing for Doc.”
If theyre going to take a major leaguer from them, aside from Bard, it should be PEDroia, not the 30 year old. Obviously they’re not getting rid of PED, but that’s what should be demanded.
“I still see Philly or nothing for Doc.”
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I think Cliff Lee is going to the Phillies.
well seeing that there is no sand in Toronto.
where are all the sux trolls after that winning performance by the best pen in baseball tonight?
nick friggin green doing it up..
the yanks played terrbile tonight did not catch the postgame for comments. swisher is a bricklayer in the outfield just shows that stats do not always show the true picture. swisher got zero errors tonight..
laughable…..
sux did not want to trade delcarmon a few weeks ago for a pretty decent player. another team in love with a har thrower who is just avg…….Gm’s are in love with radar guns….
Heh – maybe carted some from Lake Ontario?
MLB.com’s Jordan Bastian has the word from Ricciardi, who dismisses the “soft” deadline he laid out. Still, Bastian reports that they’re no closer to making a decision, and that it appears more and more likely Doc remains a Blue Jay. And so it goes.
MLBTR
Trisha,
Nick Green was a difference maker tonight
it supposively is bowden, buckholtz, and a OF whom name I forgot but I think he is in AA.
Lars has less homers then austin he is no longer the flavor of the month………..
Heyman on MLB Network- Yanks could get a couple of starters, likely Snell and Washburn.
So the Phils go balls out for Lee then
Ryan Westmoreland’s name was also in a proposed BoSox deal for Halladay earlier on Yahoo!, but that turned out to be false.
It takes one mighty scorecard to keep up with everything that they report. They report rumors of a deal, then thirty minutes later, Yahoo! says that the report was erroneous.
Cliff Lee could give the Phillies a noteworthy collection of lefties in the rotation, with he, Hamels, and the Jamie Moyer Express.
Washburn will cost too much – unless SEA comes to their senses.
I’d take a chance on Snell..on the cheap
I don’t know the prospects as well as I would like, but apparently Casey Kelly who is 19 year old pitcher in single A is considered by many to be an untouchable.
Some teams have asked for him in proposed trades with the Sox.
“Heyman on MLB Network- Yanks could get a couple of starters, likely Snell and Washburn.”
That would be interesting. They are taking too long to get it done.
I think what Theo is doing is really smart.
By making Buchholz and Bard ‘untouchable’, he ups their trade value, in a weird way.
Buchholz is like Hughes (IMO, I like him less, though I could be biased). He has shown flashes of brilliance in the majors, but absolutely no consistency. However, where Hughes has a solid fastball (gets a lot of foul balls), Buchholz’s fastball, well, sucks. His breaking pitches are AWESOME, but pitching backwards isn’t a recipe for success long-term.
Bard’s got a 100 mph fastball, but as we saw with Farnsworth….
Dunno, I think they’re overrated, but I’m also a Yankees’ fan, lol.
Seattle will certainly want a young pitcher and middle infielder. Either Nunez or Pena would go as well as a pitcher like McAllister and maybe a young bullpenner.
If Cashman was to acquire Washburn & Snell, I would think everyone should be pleased with that……Isn’t Washburn in a walk year with an option ???? Neither pitcher will cost much…..Snell has a nice arm, he just needs out of the toxic organization that is the Pittsburg Pirates…..They fill the Bombers needs nicely……..I still think Cashman makes a run at Roy Halladay first….
“Heyman on MLB Network- Yanks could get a couple of starters, likely Snell and Washburn.”
the Pirates are asking for the moon for Snell.
GB7 what do you do to stretch it to Wash and Lowe or Morrow?
Ain’t Pittsburgh our favorite farm team, anyway?
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am
GB7 what do you do to stretch it to Wash and Lowe or Morrow?
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Take their worst contract off of their hands (not Suzuki, though).
Halladay’s scheduled to pitch tomorrow.
Just sayin’….
“Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am
GB7 what do you do to stretch it to Wash and Lowe or Morrow?
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Take their worst contract off of their hands (not Suzuki, though).”
Silva ? pfffft throw him in.
GB, who would that be? the next worse contract is Johjima.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 29th, 2009 at 12:29 am
“Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am
GB7 what do you do to stretch it to Wash and Lowe or Morrow?
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Take their worst contract off of their hands (not Suzuki, though).”
Silva ? pfffft throw him in.
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It won’t be Silva or Beltre. They’re on the DL.
Brandon, Sliva is on the DL i believe….
Ed – almost to my quarter century life
July 29th, 2009 at 12:29 am
GB, who would that be? the next worse contract is Johjima.
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Probably. They’re not happy with him at all. The defense and bat have disappeared.
RT @mlbtraderumors: RT @TNTmariners Jeff Clement has been pulled from the Rainiers game in the third inning…. hmmmm
new thread ——->
Johjima throw him in, if you get back Morrow or Lowe + Washy (GI Joe nickname) I’d do it.
Problem is, Johjima is owed 8 mil a year for 2 more years plus what’s left this year. Maybe the remainder of Bautista’s contract that expires this year.
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oh dear…this is what happens when you overuse pitchers in situations they not necessarily need in. Hate to say I told yo so…..but….