Breaking news: Surgery for Wang
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Chien-Ming Wang needs season-ending shoulder surgery It’ll be tomorrow morning
More to come.
UPDATE, 10:49 p.m.: Wang needs a tear in his capsule repaired, apparently. The capsule is the soft-tissue membrane. Typically, the capsule is tightened in surgery.
The Yankees either don’t know or aren’t saying how long Wang will be out. But it will be for the rest of this season and quite likely some of next season as well. This will be Wang’s second shoulder surgery in eight years.
The surgery will be performed by Dr. James Andrews tomorrow morning.
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damn…whatta year for CMW. My heart goes out to him.
Best of luck to CMW. Tough 15 months for the young man. Hopefully he bounces back.
another wasted year for the Wanger
shame
damn
you have to feel sorry for wang 
Surgery tomorrow. Not wasting any time. Poor Wanger.
Good luck, Wang.
I feel for Wang. I’m really hoping he can get healthy eventually and turn his career around whether its with the Yankees or another team. Hate to see this happen to a guy like him.
This will be on the front page newspapers this afternoon in Taiwan. BIG blow for this proud country.
You gotta feel for the guy. And the entire nation of Taiwan.
Good by Wang…good luck buddy
What a horrible year for the Wanger.
Good luck Wang
Not to sound cold, but who else is glad we extended Cano and not Wang?
Shame. GL Wang
pat
July 28th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Surgery tomorrow. Not wasting any time. Poor Wanger.
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Depending on how invasive the surgery is, he could start rehab within a week or two and be ready for spring. If it’s a labrum or rotator cuff tear, that’s going really push back the rehab.
RIP Wang’s career. Brief but stellar.
We knew he wouldn’t make it past Dr. Korvorkian
I’m sad about this but at least it helps explain why The Wanger has been so unlike himself this year. Good luck & hopefully he’ll get a chance to return to the Yankees and pitch like his old self.
That could mark the end on Wang’s Yankee career.
Serious shoulder surgery puts 2010 in jeopardy and has “non-tender” written all over it.
Not shocking given the lot of bad luck the guy has faced.
I wonder what his time frame is.
I also wonder if his Yankee career is over.
Too bad – I feel sorry for Wang. I didn’t expect him back this year at all……..hopefully he will be able to pitch next year, but that’s in doubt. Yanks need to start looking right now for pitching.
Terrible last two seasons for Wang. Who knows how he’ll bounce back from shoulder surgery?
I guess the offseason list just added on “starting pitcher”
question now is – do the yanks non-tender him this winter…
no word on what type of surgery this is…?
im sure people are jumping to the conclusion that it is career threatening but lets not assume that…
Need a starter for this year AND next year
Scorpio
July 28th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
I’m sad about this but at least it helps explain why The Wanger has been so unlike himself this year. Good luck & hopefully he’ll get a chance to return to the Yankees and pitch like his old self.
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I’m curious if they can pinpoint when the tear occurred, though. Was it after he came back and was trying to ramp up his speed on weak legs?
More info as soon as you know anything more, please Pete!! Good guy — please pass along our best wishes.
I am not surprised to hear that Wang needs surgery. I feel sorry for him.Hope he has a full recovery.
Its the same as Posadas
That’s crushing. Really sad. Elbows are one thing. Shoulders are a another.
Just terrible. He made it through one shoulder surgery. Let’s hope he can do it again.
Really awful news.
All I can say is I hope the surgery goes well, and that I feel so awful for CMW.
It makes you wonder if the team knew this before the game?
what does non-tender mean? I know it means they don’t have to pay him but does that mean he can go to another team?
“Serious shoulder surgery puts 2010 in jeopardy and has “non-tender” written all over it.”
If they non-tender him, can they sign him to a minor league deal if no one else offers a major league one?
this is brian cashman of the new york yankees if any one wants any trade rumors or any thing just comment bck and i will tell you the scoop
None of this would have happened if the NL had a DH, atleast for lnterleauge games.
CB
July 28th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
That’s crushing. Really sad. Elbows are one thing. Shoulders are a another.
Just terrible. He made it through one shoulder surgery. Let’s hope he can do it again.
Really awful news.
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Best news would be just cutting the adhesions loose and cleaning up scar tissue. I’m not ready to bury the corpse, yet.
Wang already had one shoulder surgery, does anyone know how long that rehab was for him.
BTW, Al from Burger King, you are officially an idiot.
I don’t see the Yankees non-tendering Wang. I really don’t. They’ve never operated that way. And i don’t they’ll start now.
Great…
I guess that means Seattle is now upping the price for Washburn.
Brian-
How short are you?
Scorpio
July 28th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
what does non-tender mean? I know it means they don’t have to pay him but does that mean he can go to another team?
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He becomes a free agent.
brian cashman
July 28th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
this is brian cashman of the new york yankees if any one wants any trade rumors or any thing just comment bck and i will tell you the scoop
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Buzzed, huh?
It IS the same surgery as Posada had — Suzyn just reported. The pitch he hurt his shoulder on was the hr ON July 4. (Postgame report)
Bad but yet not very surprising news…..As GB mentioned that the down time may not be too bad….Frankly I thnk there’s a serious proceedure that awaits him……All I can think about is all the arm slot, velocity debates back in early April……Randy I, will be all over Cashman as this will be viewed as a blunder in his rehabbibg over the winter….
Poor Wang. Too bad the Yanks couldn’t keep this quiet until after the trade deadline. Now teams will probably ask for even more..I highly doubt the Yanks will non tender him. A pitcher of his quality and the Yanks have money they aren’t the Pirates.
“RIP Wang’s career. Brief but stellar.”
Trevor – are you kidding me???? Stellar???
Wang was great in 2 regular seasons. 2. Not 10. In his career his postseason ERA is far from stellar. It is actually quite bad.
Wang was a 1 pitch pitcher who stunk when his sinker was not working. He has no guts and killed us in the 2007 ALDS vs. Cleveland. Our so called “Ace” had an ERA of 19 in that series.
Wang – good luck in all your future endeavors.
That’s horrible. Thoughts go out to Wang, you feel for him.
I’m not as familiar with injuries as some of you are–is this a career-threatening thing?
GB7,
I hope he’s able to come back.. He’s been a fantastic pitcher for them and I fully expected him to get better.
Plus he was clearly a good teammate and valuable member of the club.
Let’s see what the exact problem is. Shoulders are just never good.
It’s only lesser degrees of bad.
Hey Pel — if you’re still around, would you mind posting the YES postgame snippets?
From Pete’s twitter: “She probably thinks, “I wonder how long I have to keep doing this before my manager says I have enough publicity?”
Man, does he HATE ARod, or what? I’ve never seen a beat writer despise a single player in such a blatant way.
If Wang has surgery tomorrow, will insurnace pay his salary for the rest of the year?
The reason I am asking is if insurnace pays, then Yanks can spend that money in trading for a decent player.
Also if he is non-tendered (I hope not), then next year’s payroll will be less by about 5 mil.
“Depending on how invasive the surgery is, he could start rehab within a week or two and be ready for spring. If it’s a labrum or rotator cuff tear, that’s going really push back the rehab”
Rehab really starts right away. It begins in the hospital.
From MLB-rumors-R-US -
9:11pm: Gordon Edes at Yahoo has a pretty big update on the discussions. It appears the Red Sox have amped up their efforts to obtain the Doc, and they’re willing to include Buchholz, one of Lars Anderson, Justin Masterson or Michael Bowden, and lesser prospects to fill out the rest of the offer.
Edes also reneges on his earlier report that Westmoreland had been part of a Red Sox proposal, and thinks that any reports about the Red Sox involving a third team to get a shortstop to Toronto are untrue.
poor wang
Thx GB7…hmm, how many teams would take a chance on Wang as a FA recovering from shoulder surgery?? Arrgh! I can’t believe that stupid Astros game has come down to this.
Wow. That explains a lot. Wang is a hero in Taiwan. What a shame. Washburn just earned a few extra bucks.
Suzyn just said depending on how bad his arm is damaged he could be ready for spring training or be out part of next season. He is going to a mess when he comes back. Not only with his arm but they also need to once again get his mechanics and foot right.
It has been reported that the RS offer for Halladay is not enough.
“The pitch he hurt his shoulder on was the hr ON July 4. (Postgame report)”
I knew it. I remember that pitch. His front shoulder flew open wildly on that pitch and his right shoulder dragged really badly as he threw the pitch.
His mechanics were so inconsistent and such a mess this season – even after he came off the DL and was throwing at normal velocity. He just wasn’t repeating his delivery in a consistent fashion.
Really tough news.
Schilling barely has Cone in ERa+, leads only by 22 wins. Cone has better winning percentage barely. Schillings better WHIP is by .119. Cone gave up less HR/9 innings barely.
Schilling only has significantly more SO’s, but barely leads in K/9 innings.
Cone pitches 60% of innings in AL, Schilling pitched 77% in National League.
the slight differences that Schilling holds are insignificant due to the much weaker league, and Schill pitched 3 more years than Cone.
Cone was 5 time ALL star, top 6 in cy young 5 times. Schilling 6 time All star, top 6 in cy young 4 times.
COne has Cy young and perfect game. Cone has 5 rings to Schill’s 3 rings.
BBFan – Are you joking? The Yankees have money coming out the wazoo, like they need to save the $5M that is Wang’s salary…that’s like CC’s lunch money.
“RIP Wang’s career. Brief but stellar.”
Trevor – are you kidding me???? Stellar???
Wang was great in 2 regular seasons. 2. Not 10. In his career his postseason ERA is far from stellar. It is actually quite bad.
Wang was a 1 pitch pitcher who stunk when his sinker was not working. He has no guts and killed us in the 2007 ALDS vs. Cleveland. Our so called “Ace” had an ERA of 19 in that series.
Wang – good luck in all your future endeavors
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/brief
Really bad news for CMW and the Yankees.
I’m sure Seattle recognizes that the Yanks need a starter pretty badly.
I hope they don’t overpay… but I think we’ll see Washburn in pinstripes soon.
Suzyn is really going out on a limb with that (no pun intended).
“From Pete’s twitter: “She probably thinks, “I wonder how long I have to keep doing this before my manager says I have enough publicity?”
Man, does he HATE ARod, or what? I’ve never seen a beat writer despise a single player in such a blatant way.”
Yeah I never got Pete’s despise for A-Rod. I’m more concerned about our rotation however. I think Wang has pitched his last game as a Yankee. Now do we trade now or sign a name in the off-season?
You have to think that Cashman already knew that surgery was likely more than a week ago when Wang had his first MRI so puts no more pressure on him
Washburn is a flyball pitcher. He would be awful at NYS. Pass.
“9:11pm: Gordon Edes at Yahoo has a pretty big update on the discussions. It appears the Red Sox have amped up their efforts to obtain the Doc, and they’re willing to include Buchholz, one of Lars Anderson, Justin Masterson or Michael Bowden, and lesser prospects to fill out the rest of the offer.”
LOL he’s so going Philly or nowhere.
The Yankees, I’m sure, were operating under the assumption that Wang wasn’t coming back. They are not trading really good prospects for Washburn…..I absolutely do not smell a panic here, that’s not how Cash operates. They need a pitcher for this year, whether or not Wang may have come back late in the year. They also need one for next year…….
Man, the green monster giveth, and the green monster taketh away. A’s hit a BOMB that’s a homerun ANYWHERE but Fenway.
Papelbon allows a run to score… man on 2nd… tying run at the plate
Do we have any Aaron Small’s lying around in the tool shed?
“Man, the green monster giveth, and the green monster taketh away. A’s hit a BOMB that’s a homerun ANYWHERE but Fenway.”
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at least this time it didnt matter. they need the man at the plate to score (Ellis)
“Washburn is a flyball pitcher. He would be awful at NYS. Pass.”
as I recalled he pitched pretty well in YS this season.
Gayle, I think you’re right.
This is bad…shoulder…ugh
I think this prompts us to get one of the top starters (Halladay or Lee) as this will keep him out indefinitely.
Poor Chien Ming.
Best of luck and a quick recovery.
A’s score again off Pap
tying run at 2nd
Gordon Edes at Yahoo has a pretty big update on the discussions. It appears the Red Sox have amped up their efforts to obtain the Doc, and they’re willing to include Buchholz, one of Lars Anderson, Justin Masterson or Michael Bowden, and lesser prospects to fill out the rest of the offer.
Edes also reneges on his earlier report that Westmoreland had been part of a Red Sox proposal, and thinks that any reports about the Red Sox involving a third team to get a shortstop to Toronto are untrue.
If the Sox give up that, then Doc is theirs……the Yanks have to make a good offer. Oy, what a terrible night – I’m going to wake up in the morning to news that the Sox got Doc.
Brewers need a starter too. Washburn is from Wisconsin. Seattle’s GM used to work for the Brewers.
He’s going there.
Not sure if it’s a fluke but Washburn has good numbers. However we CANNOT overpay. If we are gonna overpay just get Halladay.
the A’s chances ride on Rajai Davis…
cmon Rajai
“Wang was a 1 pitch pitcher who stunk when his sinker was not working. He has no guts and killed us in the 2007 ALDS vs. Cleveland. Our so called “Ace” had an ERA of 19 in that series.
Wang – good luck in all your future endeavors”
Isn’t it amazing how a guy who “stunk” when his “1″ pitch wasn’t working managed to be one of the best pitchers in the league when he was healthy?
You have NO idea what you are talking about when it comes to Wang.
He blows the save lol
I’m really glad I don’t have a Twitter account. My observation is that between John Henry and that latest post above all it seems to be good for is “tweeting” snark.
Anthony Murillo, you ain’t stupid enough to think that would get it done so please stop.
I don’t think the Sox value Buchholz nearly as much as some people think they do.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
as I recalled he pitched pretty well in YS this season.
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4 ER in 7 IP
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=290701110
Not good enough.
pugpuke blows da save !
LOL…
CB
July 28th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
GB7,
I hope he’s able to come back.. He’s been a fantastic pitcher for them and I fully expected him to get better.
Plus he was clearly a good teammate and valuable member of the club.
Let’s see what the exact problem is. Shoulders are just never good.
It’s only lesser degrees of bad.
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I’m thinking that as hard as he was throwing, that it might only be old adhesions. He was still hitting 93 in that game, and even on his last pitch, he didn’t grab his arm. It was Posada that spotted it. That’s what gives me hope.
The great Papelbum just blew the save..Now hopefully the A’s can win this one.
Forget Halladay, Boston needs Scutaro more.
Papelbon blows the save!!!
A’s score 3 and still have a man on
Rajai Davis reaches on Nick Green’s error!
Papelbon blew it!
Tie game!
I will skip Randy’s posts on that matter, Pat, because I think that’s ridiculous. Wang has had an injury history before- sometimes stuff happens. It’s happened to plenty of talented pitchers – pitching is an unnatural motion. Randy wants to blame Cash for everything and anything.
rather, Davis singles and advances to 3rd on Green’s error
gracias oaklando
Papelbon has been teetering on the brink almost every outing this year and his luck has finally run out. That steal of 3rd base was huge there by Ellis with a speedy guy at the plate who could beat out an infield hit. Smart, fundamental plays win you ball games.
let me say it again, the Yankee OF defense is one of the worse in the ML & in big games it will bite them in the ?
Brandon,
I don’t know what to believe anymore buddy.
E-6’s abound. Game is tied in Fenway with lead run on third.
Man how big was that run that Ziegler gave up in the bottom 8th…
Wang has no guts?
The person who said that is a joke.
“BBFan – Are you joking? The Yankees have money coming out the wazoo, like they need to save the $5M that is Wang’s salary…that’s like CC’s lunch money.”
My friend, you are living in la la land.
Yanks have been caring about their money this year since they signed those big contracts in the off-season.
Also, note that they have major debt servicing for the new stadium which they do not have to last year.
I’ll bet Cashman lets him go.
A loss for the Sox here could propel them to DEFCON 5 – Acquire Halladay
THE SEASON IS OVER! I CANT BELIEVE THIS LOSS!!!!
OMG!!!!!!
Oh goodie, nothing like a Papelbum blown save to make me feel better after bad news. LOL.
Terrible news for Wang. I hope he makes a full recovery.
A’s will most likely still lose if they don’t score again. Nice to see pap blow one though ha
Ouch — Nick Green made two quick throwing errors to help out his buddy Pabelbum.
where’s that poster who said, despite giving up 8 hits and 2 walks over 5 2/3, that Buchholz was getting the win and was better than CC ?
Gordon Edes was the same guy who 2 years ago said that Boston and the Twins had a deal for Santana. I remember the words “they are working into the night to make sure they get this done” and then said they had a deal. All of it was BS, so I wouldn’t believe anything that he says. Even though he works or used to work for their newspaper. It sounds like crap from Toronto to get the Yanks Or Phillies more involved to give up big prospects.
LMFAO
7-7 in the 9th
Where are the trolls?
“I’m thinking that as hard as he was throwing, that it might only be old adhesions.”
The posts here indicated that Waldman said Wang is having the same procedure that Posada had.
That means it’s a labrum tear repair.
That’s a tough injury for a pitcher to deal with.
Richie it was 3 XBH
Damon, a hot Melky and A-Rod took him deep. Yeh I’d say he pitched good enough.
We’re talking middle of the rotation guy here.
“If the Sox give up that, then Doc is theirs……the Yanks have to make a good offer. Oy, what a terrible night – I’m going to wake up in the morning to news that the Sox got Doc.”
No you won’t.
That’s not a great offer.
The drama you bring is entirely unneccessary. Between you and Al from BK I don’t know who’s worse.
Edes wasn’t the only one that reported that Santana was about to head to Boston… Olney, Heyman, Rosenthal etc. all said the same thing.
“A’s will most likely still lose if they don’t score again.”
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considering the game is tied.. uh… then yes. they need to score again to win.
you can take a mulligan
Consider this with Washburn: fly ball pitcher- not a good fit at new YS, plays behind a very good outfield D- besides CF ours suck, pitches in a spacious ball park.
He’s not a good fit here.
Anthony M,
JP ain’t Bill Smith.
Best of luck to CMW! Always your fan!
considering Wang nearly needed surgery in 2005, how much of a surprise is this really?
it was only a matter of time
Hope the As bullpen can hold off the top of the Sox order.
If they can they’d have to face the back of the Boston bullpen, Delcarmen, Masterson etc.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
With injuries to IPK, Horne, Kontos, and Garcia, and Cox retiring, the mL system is thin.
I think the biggest need right now is to upgrade the OF.
Don’t just look at ERA when evaluating a pitcher.
Remember, whoever we get is coming to the AL East, playing home games in a bandbox, and has shaky outfield defense behind him.
A guy like Washburn won’t translate well here. He’ll probably be slightly better than Andy, at best.
People blaming Cash for Wang’s physical problems are just out of thier mind. It was so irritating to read that non-sense again and again and hopefully it will stop in the next day or so. Players do get injured and it happens all the time.
Big news coming in a few hours.
“Ouch — Nick Green made two quick throwing errors to help out his buddy Pabelbum.”
Little surprised they haven’t looked at a O. Cabrera or something like that. Their left side of the infield defense is brutal.
Good for the A’s making it interesting.
LOL Bobcat
BBFan,
Agreed. Wang’s had a troublesome shoulder for a long time.
Were there the “CC’s a Bust” comments during the game thread?
I really, really hope not.
The outfield defense is good when Gardner and Melky are playing at the same time. Obviously any combination of Swisher/Damon/Hinske is not very good playing the corners. I would think in the postseason when the yanks are winning a close game Girardi would have both Gardner and Melky in the field.
“Big news coming in a few hours.”
Bobcat types what he wants us to read.
Bobcat, it’s been a while.
Do you still hear what they want you to hear?
Bobcats *meow alert* saids expect some big news.
Can the Red Sox possibly not trade for another starter??
Buchholz was ok at best tonight against a below avg offense.
That leaves them with just 2 dependable, albeit excellent, starters.
“Were there the “CC’s a Bust” comments during the game thread?
Wasn’t around for most of the game, but CB, a pretty astute poster, seemed to be suggesting that Sabathia wasn’t all together right. Wondered whether his arm was botheri,ng him.
Last year in SI there was an article that said the Yanks made a mistake giving Cano and not Wang a long-term contract – well – I like Wang but in this case Cash made the right call
Nice grab by Adam K. – Robbing the hobbit of a double.
That’s not something you see everyday – Boston fans cussing out a Kennedy.
Never give pitchers long term deals
There really are no nice bats to pick up for the OF. I would rather go for a starter.
According to Gammons on baseball tonight Sox are a little concerned with Papplebon. That is why Bard is untouchable.
So if they are not trading Bard they got no shot at Halladay. JP wants both Bucholz and Bard.
CB
July 28th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
“I’m thinking that as hard as he was throwing, that it might only be old adhesions.”
The posts here indicated that Waldman said Wang is having the same procedure that Posada had.
That means it’s a labrum tear repair.
That’s a tough injury for a pitcher to deal with.
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The labrum tear is a tough break, but, certainly better than a full rotator cuff tear. That’s what ended Stottlemyre’s career. He did come back and make 3 starts in August of ‘74 but wasn’t the same. They’ve made a lot of headway in surgery since then. Look at Posada’s recovery. He’s throwing just as well as ever.
“Wasn’t around for most of the game, but CB, a pretty astute poster, seemed to be suggesting that Sabathia wasn’t all together right. Wondered whether his arm was botheri,ng him.”
It seemed as if his velocity was there, he just had some control issues.
I am not worried. These games happen.
I really dont understand the appeal of Washburn. If we’re gonna give up decent prospects, might as well give them up for halladay, not a guy with a 4.5 ERA whos having a fluke year and is 34 years old
Miggs, Al’s posts regarding the team are pretty sad. I’m not even close to that……… Sorry if you see it differently, but Doc on the Sox scares me. That offer is pretty darn good – it’s better than the Phillies. I guess I’m being dramatic, but heck yes – I admit I’m worried.
It could be CC feeling the effects of being overworked the past two years.
If the Yankees had enough depth in their system and a comfortable lead I’d consider whether the team should skip a few of CC’s starts, but unfortunatley they don’t have that luxury.
Rangers are hot
Sox will get Halladay for Tawaza, Saito, and Jeff Baily.
Gotta give the A’s credit… They’re not very good, but they played us pretty tough and they’re doing the same thing against the Red Sox
“So if they are not trading Bard they got no shot at Halladay. JP wants both Bucholz and Bard.”
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JP should want Buchholz, Bard, Kelly, and Anderson
assuming he wants a little more from the Sox or Yanks than anyone else.
Look at Papelbon and appreciate evn more how great Rivera is. Papelbon was dominant for a few years but has come back to earth. He’s still a very good closer but he makes you sweat. But he’s lost effectiveness.
Mo is still going strong 12 years after first taking the role of closer.
Boston Dave 2.0
July 28th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Can the Red Sox possibly not trade for another starter??
Buchholz was ok at best tonight against a below avg offense.
That leaves them with just 2 dependable, albeit excellent, starters.
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If Joba went 5.2 ip and gave up 2 runs to oakland he would be getting killed and everybody would want him in the bullpen.
Sox has more holes than the yanks do both teams probably need another starter but the yanks offense is much better than the red sox. Bullpens are about equal.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
It could be CC feeling the effects of being overworked the past two years.
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CC was 2nd in Abuse Points last season. So I agree that could be a problem.
http://www.baseballprospectus......cid=204015
Delcarmen in to face the mighty 2-3-4 hitters for Oakland
Orlando Cabrera
Nomar
Jack Cust
BTW, Kurt Suzuki’s hit tonight extends his hitting streak against the Red Sox. Not including tonight his streak was 19 games. He’s hitting .361 in 72 at-bats against the Sox.
CC has turned into a “one good, one bad” start guy ever since the end of May.
Extras in Beantown
“Last year in SI there was an article that said the Yanks made a mistake giving Cano and not Wang a long-term contract – well – I like Wang but in this case Cash made the right call”
Wang has been inury prone ever since he played on the Garbage Island Yankees. If you ask me, this was inevitable.
CC stated in his postgame interview that he’s not finishing off his pitches and that he’s been having this problem since pitching in Minnesota before the ASB. He says it’s messing with his control. Girardi said CC’s trying to “direct” his pitches, as well.
Control issues often suggest fatigue.
Could CC use a DL stint? Because he has been bad for his past few starts.
GB7,
Agreed – labrum is much better than the rotator cuff itself. Much better.
What happenned to Stotelmeyer was really a shame. Whenever people start with the whole notion that it was better in the old days when pitchers were men and weren’t babied with pitch counts, etc. I think of stotelmeyer. Never saw him play as he was before my time but from what I’ve read it’s just a bad story. Sounds like he had good reason for being bitter towards the team.
Not enough yankees fans know how good he was before he was injured. Bad era for the club all around.
Washburn would basically be another Pettitte and would cost you like he is a good pitcher.
“If Joba went 5.2 ip and gave up 2 runs to oakland he would be getting killed and everybody would want him in the bullpen.”
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Buchholz wasn’t horrible but his fastball – EVEN at 97mph – was hittable.
When he got ahead in the count, his changeup played well.
He also located his curveball very well tonight.
When your WHIP is around 2.00, you’re going to give up runs over time.
I won’t be surprised if Yanks look at acquiring Rios and Halladay together. It will solve both the problems. Rios contract is not that bad this year and next year. By third year, the total payroll will come down when Rios salary goes to 12 Mil.
nomah with a double
This game has Red Sox walk off written all over it.
God, I hope not. Yankee losses make me SOO much better if its coupled with a Red Sox loss.
Can Nomar still run?
Nomah!
doubles
1 out
The Bobcat has returned to the den……No one singular pitch / throw causes this injusy…It’s something that happens over a peroid of time…..However it was not an issue prior to the foot injury, so it should be interesting what they find when they get into the joint / socket…..One thing is for certain, he never looked right during March / April……
CC’s Ks are down, BBs are up.. usually a sign of fatigue. It has been this way all season though.
He is not blowing the ball buy anyone and having these 2 hit, 10 strikeout performances. He has been anything but an “ace”. He has been inconsistent.
Raymagnetic – I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Go look up Wang’s numbers in his postseason starts. You tell me how good he was. To what do you attribute the garbage he gave us this year?
Keep blaming injuries. Keep telling yourself its 2006 or 2007. Next year Wang will be 3 years removed from when he was good and coming off surgery. We are looking at 2011 or 2012 when Wang will have a chance to be good again. The league simply caught up to him.
….also if they have Rios they will most likely trade Swisher in he off-season.
A Sox loss might perpetuate an all-out farm dump for a big name free agent.
I just hope it’s Cliff Lee and not Doc.
“Buchholz wasn’t horrible but his fastball – EVEN at 97mph – was hittable.”
since when does laptop hit 97?
“JP should want Buchholz, Bard, Kelly, and Anderson ”
Agreed. JP’s not trading him to Toronto unless he gets at least Buchholz and Kelly and likely Bard. And they aren’t trading Kelly and probably won’t trade Bard.
They are going to trade Papelbon this off season.
Cust strikes out. shocker. scab.
that was a big out.
“A Sox loss might perpetuate an all-out farm dump for a big name free agent.”
That is my fear as well.
“Buchholz wasn’t horrible but his fastball – EVEN at 97mph – was hittable.”
Isn’t that what he’s known for? Having a fastball that’s straighter than 6 oclock?
Ok, so CC’s problems are mechanical – they can be worked out (as long as his arm is ok). I hope they get worked out soon, lol
The highlight of my night is,Papelbon blowing a save!
“CC stated in his postgame interview that he’s not finishing off his pitches and that he’s been having this problem since pitching in Minnesota before the ASB.”
Don’t pitchers not finish their pitches when they are having some arm problems? The Yanks HAVE to be more careful with him than they have been. No more 110+ pitches every start. Especially in games like today where he has to work very hard almost every inning.
““Buchholz wasn’t horrible but his fastball – EVEN at 97mph – was hittable.”
since when does laptop hit 97?”
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well, both the NESN gun and MLB GameDay had him touching 97 and sitting 95-97 all night.
radar guns aren’t always 100% of course
Why do all these moneyball players strikeout like 3 times a game?
Dont they know how to play fundamentals? single to the right side?
damnit.
BBFan…we can only dream.
Rios…Halladay…
““Buchholz wasn’t horrible but his fastball – EVEN at 97mph – was hittable.”
Isn’t that what he’s known for? Having a fastball that’s straighter than 6 oclock?”
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pretty much.
his changeup and curveball were really good tonight and he still gave up 8 hits over 5 2/3.
In order to succeed, he’s got to get ahead in counts.
If CC’s inconsistencies are fatigue-related as some of you are suggesting, do you think that the Yankees might benefit from giving him a couple of starts off down the stretch?
I realize for this to be remotely possible they’d have to get another decent starter or build a sizeable lead in the division…
But here’s the rub: it’s more important right now to get to October, but what happens if you ruin your chances for a decent performance in October because of it?
Ofcourse Bay makes that play because the wall at the Fenway dump is 250 feet so he is playing in..Damn..
CC is just feeling the effects from the 500 innings over the past 2 years.
He really could use a nice rest.
Jason Bay just saved the tie game to end the 10th.
Im calling Adam LaRoche home run.
They will say its his seminal hit as a Red Sox.
If anyone is in need of a good laugh they should read through the game thread to see all the hilarious overreactions from the genius “fans” posting there during the game. Love that according to them, CC is now a huge bust and the team is in “must win” mode tomorrow because they lost tonight. Absolutely comical.
“Raymagnetic – I know exactly what I’m talking about.
Go look up Wang’s numbers in his postseason starts. You tell me how good he was. To what do you attribute the garbage he gave us this year?
Keep blaming injuries. Keep telling yourself its 2006 or 2007. Next year Wang will be 3 years removed from when he was good and coming off surgery. We are looking at 2011 or 2012 when Wang will have a chance to be good again. The league simply caught up to him.”
No you don’t know what you’re talking about. You said Wang had no heart and was a one pitch pitcher.
Yet somehow, someway he managed to win 19 games back to back years and was on his way to another 19 win year last year before his injury.
If you’re going to judge a guy based off of only his playoff starts then you sir are an idiot.
By the way in 2005 Wang tossed 6.2 innings and gave up 1ER against the Angels in the playoffs, was that showing heart?
He also had the lone win against Detroit in 2006, did he show heart then?
As I said, you have NO idea what you are talking about.
“No one singular pitch / throw causes this injusy…It’s something that happens over a peroid of time…..However it was not an issue prior to the foot injury, so it should be interesting what they find when they get into the joint / socket…..”
Pat M.,
Have to disagree with you a bit here. Labrum tears are generally injuries due to wear. But often there is an exacerbating event that actually causes the tear itself. It’s an acute event that happens in the setting of wear.
And Wang already has had surgery on his labrum I believe. The context for that wear was already there.
He just didn’t throw that many innings in March and april to cause additional wear past what he already had.
His mechanics were very inconsistent and often bad when he was coming back. And by that I don’t simply mean an arm slot that was more over the top. That’s the kind of thing that will take time to cause injury.
He was putting a lot of stress on his throwing shoulder when he came back off the DL through poor mechanics that went past his arm slot being more over the top.
Evan – you keep posting Wang’s postseason stats, yeah they stunk but how the heck does a team get to the postseason???
You really think the Yanks would’ve gotten to the postseason with out Wang’s contribution of 19 wins in 06 & 07?? Do some math.
Hate him but don’t cherry pick his postseason stats and label it as standard, take a look around the team…lots of sub-par postseason efforts all around.
“well, both the NESN gun and MLB GameDay had him touching 97 and sitting 95-97 all night.”
Laptop can’t hit 97 if he threw it from 20 feet. The highest I’ve seen is 95 but he lives 92-94
I wonder what the “big news” thats coming tomorrow
If there even is any.
CB, do you think the Yanks should step in at this point and make an offer (granted, it wouldn’t include Hughes or Joba- I assume, anyway)? It looks like the Sox are being pretty aggressive…..The thing is, even if Seattle wasn’t going to ask for the moon, I really don’t want Washburn. Wang was likely not coming back this year anyway, so I’m thinking of his replacement next year. With Joba and Hughes in the rotation, those are two kids; we really need someone solid (if not better) behind CC/AJ (or ahead of them, if you know what I mean). If it was just for this year, we could go for a servicable starter (though I think we need better). However, now I think we really need a good SP….
The package the Indians asked for for Lee tells me that they really don’t think they need to get rid of him. They’ll do it if they get studs, but if not, they’ll hold onto him and try to contend next year.
If the Yanks get Rios AND Halladay it takes care of 2 glaring holes. Corner OF and Starter. If we can do it without Joba/Hughes/Montero I do it. Gotta get creative. Send them Ramiro Pena, a young SS prospect something they are seeking and offer to eat Rios deal.
Clearly, something isin’t right with CC. He is not going to be what he was in the NL, but he can’t be THIS inconsistent. He doesn’t look like one of the top pitchers in baseball. He looks like a middle rotation guy who gives you innings, but mixes it in with one good start followed by one mediocre start etc. He has not had that stretch where he dominates start after start.
Al from BK, stop foreal man, just stop.
“He also had the lone win against Detroit in 2006, did he show heart then? ”
raymagnetic – everyone always “conveniently” forgets that fact.
“Don’t pitchers not finish their pitches when they are having some arm problems? ”
Yes. Fatigue or a tired arm is a very common cause of that.
CC is a pitcher who has had impeccable, robot like mechanics over his career. He repeats his delivery as well as any pitcher in baseball.
Something is going on with his arm. There’s a reason why he’s not finishing off his pitches.
Not finishing off a pitch isn’t a primary cause. There’s a reason why it’s happenning.
Eh, if the Sox win, so be it. This race is going to be very close all year long – I don’t expect either team to pull away. T
“Al from BK
July 28th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Could CC use a DL stint? Because he has been bad for his past few starts.”
“Bad” is putting it mildly.
Last start – 7 innings – 3 earned runs
start before that – 7 innings – 0 earned runs
Both wins.
CC has been horrific, Al in BK.
I used to think you were a troll – than I thought you were an idiot savant. Somewhere this week, you lost the savant.
Rebecca – They would be great if we had enough cushion where we could rest CC. I suspect that won’t be the case though. We’re probably going to be fighting for a playoff spot till the end and will need CC– especially since Joba is going to be out of the rotation as well.
They are in a tough spot. He could use the rest, but we need him to win games.
Red Sox don’t score in the tenth. A’s probably have to score in the top of the 11th to have a chance.
CB, it doesn’t sound like the Yankees are recognizing that he’s fatigued – this has been going on since Minnesota. Does that concern you?
“If the Yanks get Rios AND Halladay it takes care of 2 glaring holes. Corner OF and Starter. If we can do it without Joba/Hughes/Montero I do it. Gotta get creative. Send them Ramiro Pena, a young SS prospect something they are seeking and offer to eat Rios deal.”
im laughing over here…how in the world could you do that without joba hughes or montero?
CB
July 28th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
GB7,
Agreed – labrum is much better than the rotator cuff itself. Much better.
What happenned to Stotelmeyer was really a shame. Whenever people start with the whole notion that it was better in the old days when pitchers were men and weren’t babied with pitch counts, etc. I think of stotelmeyer. Never saw him play as he was before my time but from what I’ve read it’s just a bad story. Sounds like he had good reason for being bitter towards the team.
Not enough yankees fans know how good he was before he was injured. Bad era for the club all around.
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It really was sad. In ‘74, the Yankees were just starting to get good, again and Stottlemyre was a big reason. He was an outstanding pitcher for some historically bad teams. The rift between him and George Steinbrenner came about because of this injury.
Steinbrenner told him to get well, and, he’d have a spot on the yeam whenever he wanted it. He had the surgery and during spring training, he wasn’t quite ready and Steinbrenner told him there was no room for him in the organization, so he retired and went home. Martin and Fowler didn’t want him there because that’s who the young pitchers went to for mechanical adjustments. Stottlemyre felt like he was lied to and he was. He didn’t show up for about 14 years or so. He was a damned fine pitching coach, too, as it turned out.
“BBFan…we can only dream.
Rios…Halladay…”
It is not out of the realm of possibility.
If Yanks are willing to take Rios, Jays will be interested as they will be interested in cuting the salary commitments.
Rios makes 5.9 mil this year and 9.7 mil next year. So, for Yanks this year commitment will be around 2.5 mil + luxury tax which is manageable. Next year lot of money comes off the books so it is not an issue.
The question is what prospects Yanks are prepared to give up for Halladay and Rios.
“Eh, if the Sox win, so be it. This race is going to be very close all year long – I don’t expect either team to pull away. ”
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yes, but in a perfect world the Yanks would wrap up the division early so they could rest their pitchers (specifically CC and Joba)
They should let Carsten skip a bullpen
DT,
CC’s ERA is just under 4. Are you happy with him?
Nothing like the sounds of RSN when they think a ball has gone out – and they end up being wrong.
I envy those of you who watched the 9th. I deserve what I got for figuring Papsmear would close it out. HOWEVER – I will be able to take second best tonight and will watch the rewind just so I can watch the 9th. Oh yeah.
If Oakland pulls this out it might take some of the sting out of tonight’s loss for those who felt stung by it.
CC has been OK, not great. Not what we paid for.
AJ on the other hand, has surpassed expectations and has gotten on that “roll” that we thought CC would get on – just quality start after quality start.
CB, Wang’s mechanics were beyond bad this spring….His leg lift was about 6 inches below his waist…He had terrible balance, no leg drive at all…..So essentially he was throwing with his shoulder and arm without any real assiatance from his core down…..If there were some hidden shoulder concerns this would certainly accelerate that process to the point as too where we are today…..
“It is not out of the realm of possibility.
If Yanks are willing to take Rios, Jays will be interested as they will be interested in cuting the salary commitments.”
Not only is it out of the realm, it’s out of the galaxy. Sometimes…man do ppl get crazy during trade deadline. Sometimes even down right ridiculous.
Dude, people, stop panicking.
What’s the absolute worst that happens at the end of tonight?
The Yankees are 1.5 games out of first.
Many of us, I think, already thought Wang was done for the year. Now that it’s actually a fact makes us feel bad for Wang but doesn’t outright change what the team needed as of 10 AM this morning.
CC is a legitimate concern because so much is invested in him. As far as we know, he’s feeling the effects of fatigue, which stinks and can be troublesome to deal with. But, as far as we know (and knock on wood), he’s not out for the year with a shoulder injury.
Yanks had a bad game tonight, sure, but Melancon pitched, the bullpen wasn’t burned and tomorrow they have just as decent a chance to go out and win again.
Stottlemyre had Dwight Gooden pitch to contact. That makes him a really bad pitching coach.
“it doesn’t sound like the Yankees are recognizing that he’s fatigued – this has been going on since Minnesota. Does that concern you?”
No I’m sure they recognize it if it is a problem (and not something I’m completely off base on – if I can see it believe me they can).
They just want innings from him. I have a feeling CC is telling them he’s fine/ he’s ok it’s just normal soreness,etc. and they are going with that.
I am concerned about it.
Washburn – 4 scoreless innings against the Jays so far
His price is only going up.
CC could either be fatigued, or he could have just have had a bad start tonight.
CC wasn’t very good tonight but the defense behind him, except for that great double play, sure didn’t help. A loss is a loss is a loss, Kazmir pitched very well and the hard hit balls went right at someone for the most part. Tomorrow is another day, if the Sox blow this game it’s just a bonus.
Swisher is really bad in right field, though, that is something that could use an upgrade. I’d like to see Rios on the Yankees if he is available whether they get Halladay or not.
“Al from BK, stop foreal man, just stop.”
What was funny about what I said man?
Austin Jackson, Romine, McAllister, Melancon, Pena. That might get Ricciardi’s attention. Especially if we take back Rios.
BD, the Yanks have a very tough schedule in the 2nd half and now they have all these issues – I don’t see the Yankees pulling away for sure. Also, the two teams are very good – it’s not like the Dodgers who are (a) very good and (b) in a bad division.
Joba, Ajax, Romine, Pena and DJ Mitchell for Halladay and Rios.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 28th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Dude, people, stop panicking.
What’s the absolute worst that happens at the end of tonight?
The Yankees are 1.5 games out of first.
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Rebecca, it’s late, at worst the Yankees are 1.5 games in first place…
CB:
Sounds like prime material for a blog post…
“DT,
CC’s ERA is just under 4. Are you happy with him?”
He had an off night Eric. It happens.
The defense didn’t do him any favors either.
When CC gets on his roll (and he will) – watch out.
“Austin Jackson, Romine, McAllister, Melancon, Pena. That might get Ricciardi’s attention. Especially if we take back Rios.”
*head meet desk*
Oakland has left 13 on base
Soul
Washburn – 4 scoreless innings against the Jays so far
His price is only going up.
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Only for the short-sighted.
“So essentially he was throwing with his shoulder and arm without any real assiatance from his core down…..If there were some hidden shoulder concerns this would certainly accelerate that process to the point as too where we are today…..”
Pat,
I agree. We had that long conversation with Randy about exactly that before he went on the DL.
I just don’t think the threw enough innings in that really dilapidated state to cause this injury.
He just didn’t throw enough for it to be primarily about wear and tear.
I think it was more acute than that.
It wasn’t as if he had shoulder soreness before hand or any such complaints. The onset of the pain was all of a sudden. That’s not consistent with an issue of building wear and tear due to poor mechanics. That’s an acute injury more than wear.
But who knows.
Patrick, I didn’t see all of Melancon’s innings tonight but he was throwing much better tonight than the last time I saw him pitch, maybe his confidence has been restored with his time in the ‘pen listening to Mo.
“BD, the Yanks have a very tough schedule in the 2nd half and now they have all these issues ”
The issues they have are not any different than the issues the teams chasing them have.
Bottom line the Yankees are in excellent shape for making the playoffs.
Said it yesterday and I’ll say it again, the Rays are NOT going to play 8 games better than the Yankees the next two months.
CB, then shouldn’t the Yankees be blamed? I realize they need innings because they have no depth, but they have to protect CC at all costs. If he’s fatigued, eventually he’s going to hurt himself.
Rebecca, I agree completely (though actually the worst that can happen is that we are 1.5 games ahead, not behind). We needed a pitcher anyway…and a good one. Too bad there really isn’t one to be had (not giving up the farm for Washburn).
A’s take the lead!!!!
Oakland takes the lead
Buchholz was 90-93 mph in his last start on the 22nd when he got blasted. He pitched today on 6 days rest. They avoided the Baltimore offense to pitch him vs. Oakland and now he conveniently only gets this 1 start before the deadline.
“BD, the Yanks have a very tough schedule in the 2nd half and now they have all these issues ”
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The Red Sox and Yankees have the same difficulty of schedule.
The rays have a slightly harder one.
“Not only is it out of the realm, it’s out of the galaxy. Sometimes…man do ppl get crazy during trade deadline. Sometimes even down right ridiculous.”
Brandon, can you explain why it is out of the galaxy?
Here the incentive to Jays is dumping the contract of Rios and for Yanks it is not high this year and next year.
A’s take the lead. Hopefully they can hold on. Too bad their closer isn’t still pitching.
wow A’s take the lead!
DAVIS! You DA MANNNN!
Great AB there, pal.
Force Saito into the game – run that BP ragged
Woo 8-7 A’s. More runs please.
8-7 A’s.
LOVE IT
thank you rajai
That’s for the A’s.
That’s for CM. My heart hurts for the guy. I pray that the surgery is successful and that he gets every bit of healing that he needs and comes back to us good as new, whenever he comes back to us.
A’s take the lead! They might actually have a chance to close it out because the Sox have Lowell, Kotteras (or Varitek pinch-hitting) and Green in the bottom of the inning.
“A’s take the lead. Hopefully they can hold on. Too bad their closer isn’t still pitching.”
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whats wrong with Bailey?
Everyone has issues. Hopefully the Yanks can be healthy when October rolls around.
In the meantime, we definitely need another arm – whether it be a reliever or starter. If we get a starter, Mitre could always fill in when needed or help out when the bullpen is taxed. Aceves needs a few days off and I can’t see Hughes not needing some extended rest at some point.
Ray, I agree the Yanks are in very good shape for the playoffs, but still – they are having these issues crop up that are disturbing. Ok, Wang is no surprise – I assumed he wasn’t coming back. CC is a bit worrisome, though. On the other hand, I suppose other teams have issues, too – issues that I am not aware of because I’m not following them on a daily basis.
If I was Cash I would call JP and offer Joba + Ajax and they can have any other 2 prospects they want besides Hughes, Montero and Romine. You have to give up something good for someone like Doc. The Sox gave up a very good player in Ramirez to go for the championship and it worked out for them. The Yanks have to do the same thing. They only have about another at most 2-3 years with the Jeter and Mo group they need to go for it. How often is the best pitcher in baseball available?…
nothing wrong with the A’s closer…
Bailey is warming up
Sadly, Lowell will hit a pinch-hit HR in the bottom of the inning.
“Brandon, can you explain why it is out of the galaxy?
Here the incentive to Jays is dumping the contract of Rios and for Yanks it is not high this year and next year.”
Probably because the deal didn’t involve Jonathan Sanchez
Betsy, the NL West is the 2nd best division in baseball….They & the AL east have 3 teams over .500…The worst division in MLB , NL East, by far……
haha, Sox pitchout and DAvis still steals on a horrible throw from Kottaras
“Brandon, can you explain why it is out of the galaxy?
Here the incentive to Jays is dumping the contract of Rios and for Yanks it is not high this year and next year.”
You act as if they can’t deal Rios in another deal. It’s not like that would lessen a prospect package. Another words JP woul laugh & hang up.
JP: Oh you want Rios too! for that?…Joba + Hughe or loose my number
Go A’s!!! Don’t blow it, lol. It is nice to see, even if the Sox come back, that they do have issues of their own. We only (I do, anyway, lol) pay attention to our flaws, but somewhere out there, fans of the Sox and other teams are doing what we are doing on THEIR blogs……
“If I was Cash I would call JP and offer Joba + Ajax and they can have any other 2 prospects they want besides Hughes, Montero and Romine. You have to give up something good for someone like Doc. The Sox gave up a very good player in Ramirez to go for the championship and it worked out for them. The Yanks have to do the same thing. They only have about another at most 2-3 years with the Jeter and Mo group they need to go for it. How often is the best pitcher in baseball available?…”
Just shut up.
Please.
insurance run for Oakland!!!!
2 run lead nice job Oak
Rays may not play 8 games better than us, but they will play well enough to make us sweat till the very end.
And if they don’t, then Texas will.
Basically, we’re going to be playing meaningful games into the last week of the season.
Adam Kennedy with FIVE hits tonight against Boston
If he does, there are two of him. One is already playing third base.
Boston is cussing out Kennedy some more….lol
REPOST**
You act as if they can’t deal Rios in another deal. It’s not like that would lessen a prospect package. Another words JP would laugh & hang up.
JP: Oh you want Rios too! for that?…Joba + Hughes or loose my number
Ha ha 9-7 A’s. A’s have 21 hits. Nice pitching Boston.
“whats wrong with Bailey?”
Oops. For a second I thought the guy who pitched the 9th was their closer. I don’t know any of the A’s young guys. Nice insurance run…
“Ray, I agree the Yanks are in very good shape for the playoffs, but still – they are having these issues crop up that are disturbing. Ok, Wang is no surprise – I assumed he wasn’t coming back. CC is a bit worrisome, though. On the other hand, I suppose other teams have issues, too – issues that I am not aware of because I’m not following them on a daily basis.”
The Sox have 2 dependable starters and the Rays starting pitching isn’t great either.
Not to mention the Sox and Rays haven’t been hitting at all since after the ASB.
For kicks and giggles I decided to see what the playoff projections look like.
Right now the Yankees have at LEAST an 85% chance of making the playoffs.
http://www.baseballprospectus......ddspec.php
this cant happen…the great red sox can lose to the lowly A’s…how is this possible?
We play Boston home for 3, then go to Seattle for 3, and the Angels for 3 in late September. That is going to be a crucial stretch for us. All while our rivals have cupcake games at home against bad teams.
The schedule plays itself out that our rivals are going to have a chance to gain ground on us late in the season IF it is close.
Wow I just read the pitch by pitch for the 9th. Everything happened with two strikes and two outs? What I missed, what I missed.
The look on Papelsmear’s face had to be priceless. Priceless!
21 hits and they only have 9 runs
9-7 A’s.
And the Sox are burning their entire pen.
Papelbon, Okajima, and Delcarmen all easily over 20 pitches tonight and probably unavailable tomorrow.
““whats wrong with Bailey?”
Oops. For a second I thought the guy who pitched the 9th was their closer. I don’t know any of the A’s young guys. Nice insurance run…”
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no prob. The A’s change their closer at least 2-3 times every season
trade them for prospects and plug in another closer.
if Billy Beane does one thing well, that’s it.
Pat M, If that’s the case, I stand corrected..and yes the NL East stinks….Either way, though, no other team in the NL West can really compete with the Dodgers, whereas the Sox and Yankees are very close. This will be a nip and tuck battle all year, I think.
COmpletely agree with getting Halladay if we can.
Not saying we need him to make the playoffs but if you can get him for Joba, AJax and 2 other prospects…you do it in a second.
That being said….can you imagine how bummed out we would all be if we woke up and Halladay was a member of the Red Sox???
If Boston is running out Halladay, Becket and Lester we might as well be focusing on football because that team wins the World Series hands down.
“this cant happen…the great red sox can lose to the lowly A’s…how is this possible?”
Didn’t some dipstick tell us how great Bucholz was because he WON this game and how bad CC was because he lost our game?
They’re really not a bright bunch, the beantown (s)trollers!
“If Boston is running out Halladay, Becket and Lester we might as well be focusing on football because that team wins the World Series hands down.”
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hands down? so you’ll give me 20-1 odds on that?
If the Yankees go 5 games over .500 (34-29) the rest of the way they will win 96 games.
If 96 wins isn’t egood enough for a playoff birth I will be amazed.
“Rays may not play 8 games better than us, but they will play well enough to make us sweat till the very end.
And if they don’t, then Texas will.
Basically, we’re going to be playing meaningful games into the last week of the season.”
Sorry but baseball just doesn’t work that way. Tampa will soon be buried to deep to even think about the playoffs and I’m not worried bout Texas at all.
Maybe I’m just drinking Yankee kool-aid (tastes excellent by the way
) right now but the way I see it they will undoubtedly be playing October baseball this year.
“COmpletely agree with getting Halladay if we can.
Not saying we need him to make the playoffs but if you can get him for Joba, AJax and 2 other prospects…you do it in a second.”
No you don’t.
Thank god you’re not the GM.
You people have absolutely no clue.
“The look on Papelsmear’s face had to be priceless. Priceless!”
He was pouting big time. One of the joys of living in NESN country is post games “highlights” when the Sox lose… lol
Betsy – go to sleep…..
Reading your posts make me want to get off this thread.
Come on Drew Bailey! Do it for the A’s and for my fantasy team!!!! (I have Bailey on my team.)
“Just shut up.”
Someone is allowed to have an opinion besides you..Incase you didn’t realize. I guess you don’t know what a message board is…
If the A’s hang on to win the Sox will be just 1.5 games in front of the Rangers and 2.5 in front of the Yankees.
I know this will never happen, but how much would you love to see Halladay go to the Rangers? They obviously have the prospects to get it done, but I don’t know if they have the money or if Halladay would waive his NTC for Texas.
“Betsy – go to sleep…..
Reading your posts make me want to get off this thread.”
Hahahahahahahaha.
almost a double play, Cabrera loses it and it’s a single
1st and 2nd, nobody out for hte Sox
I will say that the Yankees have always been a good road team – I’m proud of them for that (unlike some teams who are one-trick ponies). Being on the road doesn’t worry me in and of itself…….eh, I guess I’m not going to bother worrying at this point. They are a very good team that needs a few tweaks, like other good teams.
You just know that if the Yankees lose tomorrow, we will hear the drumbeat of how they can’t beat good teams (conveniently, the Tigers, Twins and Rangers are not considered good teams).
CC game log in July
JUL 02 SEA 5.2 ip 107 pitches
JUL 07 @MIN 7.0 ip 100 pitches
JUL 12 @LAA 6.2 ip 114 pitches
JUL 18 DET 7.0 ip 114 pitches
JUL 23 OAK 7.0 ip 109 pitches
JUL 28 TAM 5.2 ip 109 pitches
I cant say he has been overworked lately those are pretty standard pitch counts. He just wasn’t good tonight maybe he was doing something wrong mechanically. I didn’t think he looked very sharp since the allstar break. The games against Oakland and Detroit he struggled during the first couple of innings.
Stop calculating standings….just watch the games. 6.5 games is not an insurmountable lead….lets beat Boston 3/4 next week and then start thinking about October baseball.
“He was pouting big time. One of the joys of living in NESN country is post games “highlights” when the Sox lose… lol”
Forgot about that. As much as I want to see the entire 9th, this rewind won’t get off until late. Maybe I’ll settle for highlights.
NOW – the A’s need to put this away and dash RSN even further because they are too hopeful at this moment, and I don’t like it!
Sox get the first 2 guys on
I’m just going to expect that they pull out a win tonight.
No you don’t.
Thank god you’re not the GM.
You people have absolutely no clue.
Please explain
Joba, why don’t you shut up?
Nick Green (the supposed Mr Clutch) is up
though he’ll prob bunt
2 on no outs for Bailey.
Come on man, finish this one off.
Andrew Bailey was an all star?
Besty – the Twins are a .500 team. The Rangers will be slightly better than that. These teams are not in our league.
The playoffs for the Yankees goes through Boston and Anaheim. I can’t stand ho wyou consistently bring up the Rangers and Twinkies.
Andrew Baily walked the first 2 guys against us too
He is very shakey
Interesting note as also from Will Carroll of BP via twitter @injuryexpert
Ouch – re: Wang. 3 pitchers with similar injury? Mark Prior, Doc Gooden, Brien Taylor.
The Twins are a .500 team. They are not a good team. They are a .500 team.
“2 on no outs for Bailey.
Come on man, finish this one off.”
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so close to being a double play, it was hit hard at Cabrera and he couldnt handle it
2 outs, man on 3rd, 1 run lead
Pedroia – the MVP – up
It all comes down to Pedroia.
The Yankees need to finish first and play home games in October. We are not going to beat Boston if they have homefield advantage. We haven’t consistently won there in a long time.
This has to end now – with the Sux losing of course.
and just to prove how great Will is he sent this link which is a great read about Gooden and this surgery
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/09.....udged.html
Pedroia is the best in the league at getting runners in from 3rd, 2 outs
He’ll hit a single and drive him in.
Get smurf out please.
Brandon, You’re a tad more thorny tonight than usual……No twinkies for dessert tonight ????
C;mon Bailey…
Joba,
We can’t win in Angels Stadium either.
GAME OVER
A’s Win
Yes!
woohoo!
brutal loss for the Sox
just brutal
now do they sell the farm for Doc?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
RSN – PSYCHE!!!!!
Maybe I’ll stay up for this after all.
SA-WEET!!!!!
By the way, Andrew Bailey is an excellent pitcher.
“The Twins are a .500 team. They are not a good team. They are a .500 team.”
True…but they’re a very good team at home and the Yankees swept them in the Metrodome.
And the Yankees remain 2 1/2 up.
Good stuff! Papelbum blows it and the Yankees maintain 2.5 game lead.
I hope we have that 2.5 game lead going into Aug 6 and then take 3/4 to push it to 4.5. We need a little breathing room.
Its over!
9-8!
Beautiful.
Thanks A’s
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who truly isn’t worried about where Doc ends up
July 28th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
“He was pouting big time. One of the joys of living in NESN country is post games “highlights” when the Sox lose… lol”
Forgot about that. As much as I want to see the entire 9th, this rewind won’t get off until late. Maybe I’ll settle for highlights.
NOW – the A’s need to put this away and dash RSN even further because they are too hopeful at this moment, and I don’t like it!
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Little Dusty fails to come through, drops his head for shame, as the ball disappears into Sweeney’s glove.
And somewhere…..well, you know the rest…
A’s win. Still 2.5 up and now the Sox are fighting just to keep their WC lead.
CC loses. Buchholz wins!! 1.5 games back !!!
Oops. Backspace, Backspace, Backspace, Highlight, Delete.
Back in the sewers you go Sox trolls.
“You act as if they can’t deal Rios in another deal. It’s not like that would lessen a prospect package. Another words JP woul laugh & hang up.
JP: Oh you want Rios too! for that?…Joba + Hughe or loose my number”
Brandon, first of all I am not acting unless your English is bad
How many teams will be prepared to take Rios salary? Did you notice what the outfielders got last off-season? It will be even worse this year. Also, it is important that we give up something to get soemthing back.
“brutal loss for the Sox
just brutal
now do they sell the farm for Doc?”
Why…will they use him in the 8th inning?
Guess you called that one wrong Aardvark.
One interesting note that has not been discussed….I emailed this to Pete and did not get a response:
Re: Skipping a Joba start to avoid using Mitre in first game vs. Boston….
Pete,
Has Girardi discussed the rotation going into next week?
The Yanks have an off day on Aug 3 – a day that Joba would have been scheduled to pitch. I would skip his turn in the rotation (save some innings) and use Pettitte and Mitre against Toronto. This way, when the Boston series starts – I keep AJ and CC on regular rest – games 1 and 2 – and then use Joba in game 3 before going back to Pettitte on his regular rest for the Sunday night game. Joba would get a nice 9 day rest and we would not have to see Mitre against Boston in that first game which to me is a very big game.
What do you think?
Woo hoo
NYY needed a little help tonight….thanks Oakland
RSN goes back on the ledge again…LMAO
“Pedroia is the best in the league at getting runners in from 3rd, 2 outs
He’ll hit a single and drive him in.”
Aardvark, I actually feel pity for you. You are so pathetic with your pronouncements. It has to tear your heart out to see what happens after you make your continual bogus statements. You are unequivocally a SUX fan. No Yankee fan would be quite that stupid. Go to SOSH. They will welcome you with open arms and say equally ridiculous things.
“The Yankees need to finish first and play home games in October. We are not going to beat Boston if they have homefield advantage. We haven’t consistently won there in a long time.”
Really? Last year Yanks 5-4 at Fenway. 2007 Yanks won 2 of the 3 series in Fenway and finished with a 4-5 record there, and in 2006 the 5 game game sweep. Then there’s 2005 the Yanks clinched the division there. So, what’s a long time to you?
They are showing the entire 9th! WHAT A RIOT!!!!! Later on Papelbon looked spooked in the dugout.
“How many teams will be prepared to take Rios salary? Did you notice what the outfielders got last off-season? It will be even worse this year. Also, it is important that we give up something to get soemthing back.”
You still have to give up your big prospects genius. There is no special deal here.
Washburn’s ERA down to 2.59
and he’s looking like he could throw a complete game shutout tonight.
flyball pitcher or not… he’s doing something right this year
“And somewhere…..well, you know the rest…”
…but there ain’t no joy in beantown, the mighty elfkin just flied out!!!!!
YOU ARE DA BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST, BOD!
“You still have to give up your big prospects genius. There is no special deal here.”
Hello genius
What is special about your statement.
To acquire established players you need to give up good package of prospects. That is noting new.
A part of me is afraid the Yankees will get Washburn and he’ll have a terrible August and September to bring his ERA back up to normal heights.
But on the other hand, sometimes veteran pitchers just have those great, magical years. I know Washburn isn’t as old, but think of Mussina last year or even Jamie Moyer, pitching to a 3.70 ERA at CBP of all places.
Bod, I am still laughing. This one is for you!
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
But there is no joy in beantown — the little elfkin just flied out.
Boston losing tonight isn’t going to change trade thoughts anymore than NYY’s loss or Tampa’s win will change things for them. If they weren’t willing to trade the farm before, tonight changed nothing.
“Hello genius
What is special about your statement.
To acquire established players you need to give up good package of prospects. That is noting new.”
It’s the fact that you think we’re getting some sort of 2 for 1 special deal here, meantime that isn’t or hasn’t been the case.
I think the Sox will definitely try and make a big move.
The question is, what do they need more…a starter or a big hitter? I’m assuming they’re not willing to give up the prospects to land both.
Meanwhile, if the Yankees can get a good #3 starter w/o giving up Hughes, Joba, Ajax, or Montero, they’ve got to make that deal.
There is NO WAY Toronto trades Halladay to a division rival under ANY circumstances.
Any GM who likes his job to be smooth in the future (all GMs) refuses to do this because when the prospects don’t pan out, she and Ownership are reminded of the bad deal multiple times a season. Just not going to happen. Period.
Washburn will not be traded. Seattle thinks they have a shot at winning the West outright. They’ll listen to offers but nothing will prompt them to deal.
Wish the best for Wang!
I had a hunch earlier in the year that CMW was pitching in pain? His velocity was down which we now know was due to a torn right shoulder capsule. The Yankess wait too long in my opinion to get to a causative diagnosis with its. Injured players? You may also add the right fielder Nady who had TJS a month ago. I hope CMW comes back to pitch in the majors. Let’s hope Dr. Andrews has the Midas touch for the fifty-thousandth time with this young man?