Game 100: Yankees at Rays
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 28, 2009 
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YANKEES (61-38)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Pitching: LHP CC Sabathia (10-6, 3.67).
RAYS (54-46)
Upton CF
Crawford LF
Longoria 3B
Zobrist 2B
Burrell DH
Pena 1B
Kapler RF
Navarro C
Bartlett SS
Pitching: LHP Scott Kazmir (4-6, 6.69).
TIME/TV: 7:10, MY9.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees have won 10 of 11 and 23 of their last 29. At 61-38, they are one game behind the Dodgers for the best record in baseball. They lead the Red Sox by 2.5 games and the Rays by 7.5.
RAZING THE RAYS: The Yankees are 16-11 against the Rays the last two seasons.
SERIES STEAK: A win tonight would give the Yankees victories in nine of their last 10 series.
CC STATS: Casten Charles is 3-1, 2.92 in his last four starts. He is 2-0 since the break, allowing three earned runs over 14 innings. The big lefty is 7-1, 2.63 in 12 career starts against the Rays. He took a no-decision (can you take a no-decision?) against them on June 6, allowing five runs in eight innings in what turned out to be a 9-7 loss at the Stadium.
THEIR CC IS PRETTY GOOD, TOO: Carl Crawford leads the majors with 48 steals. His theft last night was No. 350 for his career. Whether you’re a Yankee fan or not, that guy is fun to watch play.
GOOD TIMING: Now that he’s the center fielder for a while, Melky Cabrera is heating up. He is 7 of 12 with five walks in his last four games.
ROWDY ON THE ROAD: The Yankees have won nine of their last 12 away from the Stadium.
TAMPA’S TERROR: Robinson Cano is a career .324 hitter against the Rays.
CAPTAIN’S CORNER: Derek Jeter has hit safely in seven straight. He is 9 of 18 in his last four games with six RBI and five runs scored. Jeter is fifth in the AL at .325. He is fifth in OPB at .402.
GRAND NIGHT FOR TEX: Tonight will be the 1,000th career game for Mark Teixeira.
THEY’RE HOT: Teixeira is 8 of 22 … Jorge Posada is 8 of 22 with five extra-base hits and six RBI.
MINOR MATTERS: Low Single-A Charleston was no-hit by West Virginia’s Hunter Strickland and Diego Moreno, Strickland is one of the prospects the Pirates got back from Boston for Adam LaRoche.
ON THE iPOD RIGHT NOW: Lucky Man by The Verve.
Back later with much more.
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Chien-Ming Wang is still waiting to see Dr. Andrews. No update yet.
Also no roster move today it seems.
UPDATE, 5:41 p.m.: Alfredo Aceves is down again today. It was decided to give him three days off because he was “tired” according to Girardi. The manager claimed nothing was physically wrong with Aceves. But it’s certainly something that bears watching.
Until the bullpen is up to speed, which could be tomorrow, they don’t want to make a move for an outfielder. Brian Cashman is also keeping his eyes open for a CF via trade.
Damaso Marte will throw two innings tonight for Scranton. Then he could get two days off before going back-to-back days. In other words, you won’t be seeing him back in the big leagues any time soon.
UPDATE, 6:41 p.m.: Per Chad Jennings and his must-read blog, here is the Scranton lineup tonight:
Kevin Russo, 2B
Ramiro Pena, SS
Austin Jackson, CF
Shelley Duncan, RF
Juan Miranda, 1B
Yurendell de Caster, 3B
John Rodriguez, DH
Colin Curtis, LF
Chris Stewart, C
Josh Towers, RHP
That’s two days in a row not in CF for Pena. All the usual suspects are playing, so no clues there.
UPDATE, 7:09 p.m.: We’re underway here at The Trop. CC vs. Kazmir. Good matchup.
UPDATE, 7:13 p.m.: Great pitch by Kazmir to get Jeter looking. But Jeter saw 10 pitches.
UPDATE, 7:23 p.m.: That is some very nice baseball right there. Cano tracks down a ball behind the bag, flips it to Jeter and he makes the pivot fast enough to get Crawford with Tex making a sprawling grab at first. How much better is this team in the field this season?
UPDATE, 7:36 p.m.: OK, so I take that back.
UPDATE, 7:41 p.m.: More good stuff from Chad on his blog regarding assorted injured prospects.
UPDATE, 8:07 p.m.: Like I said, an outstanding defensive team.
What a mess this is so far. Two errors, CC getting rocked, Rays lead 3-0.
Meanwhile the Rays just had their cleanup hitter bunt with a 3-0 lead.
UPDATE, 8:13 p.m.: And the Rays get what they deserve for bunting their cleanup hitter — no run. That could come back to bite them.
UPDATE, 8:17 p.m.: Tex is a heck of a base-runner. Almost always makes the right decision.
UPDATE, 8:48 p.m.: CC seemed to have his act together before that home run. As for Evan Longoria, he had his girlfriend at the All-Star Game press conference last year and she was a younger, hotter version of Jennifer Love Hewitt. So the home run is just a bonus.
UPDATE, 8:58 p.m.: Damaso Marte just allowed two homers for Scranton. Seems to be in mid-season form.
UPDATE, 9:11 p.m.: Yet another defensive misplay. They need to get an outfielder here now. It’s bad enough that the Yankees need to leave either Swisher of Damon in the outfield late in games. Leaving both of them in invites disaster.
It’s 6-1 Rays as the Yankees are experiencing a rare train-wreck game. Cue the “the season is over” commenters on the blog.
UPDATE, 9:55 p.m.: That’s it for a sloppy game. Back later with reaction and an update on Chien-Ming Wang
July 28th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Final Call for Guess the Line Up-
(Must be in by 3:40)
Andrew, Henner, CT23, Patrick from CT
Dan
WTTCTOHA, L to the 2nd, Hokiehill
Miggs
Andrew33
Largo
IDCWYT, YanksFan
NYY626, Ramey
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
Good luck to all that played today!!!
Nice music choice, pete
Montero was 2-4 with a double and rbi (and a K) for Trenton.
who is Derel Jeter? Did they get a new captain or something. lol
Halladay doesnt help the Sox offense. It’s been putrid and there’s no reason to think it will change. They’re either old, overrated or playing to their norm. It’s not like the Yanks last year, where they had guys hurt and underperforming. Youk and Pedroia are doing what they do. Jacoby is overrated. Bay and Drew are hitting the norm. Lowell and Ortiz are old.
The Sox would be very dangerous in the playoffs with that rotation. But i wouldnt be scared of them in the regular season unless they upgrade the bats.
Who is this Derel Jeter guy?
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
ARod 3B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Sabathia P
No, it doesn’t help the Sox offense. But the Sox willl play better than they have so far. They always go through a midsummer swoon. And you don’t need to score 10 runs if you give up 2. Halladay, Beckett, Lester, along with their still very good bullpen (ours is debatably better now, but still), is a sick, sick pitching staff.
so who’s coming up Austin Jackson or Shelley Duncan?
Yanks except for Tex, Jorge and Melky have UUUUGLY BAA Kazmir with Alex being the worst and Derel not far behind.
Go CC!
Scutaro/Halladay/Overbay for Lowrie/Bucholtz/Bowden/Bard/Anderson and some other minor prospects.
Ah HA!
Scut and Doc in an 8 player trade with Sox?
Where have I heard that before……??
“As much as I’d hate to see the Red Sox get Halladay, I’d equally hate to see them get Scutaro who beats our brains in usually and can hit Mo.”
Scutaro doesn’t beat our brains in. He’s a career .237 hitter against the Yankees and is only hitting .222 us. He also can’t hit Mo. He’s a career 1 for 8 against him, it just so happened that 1 had to be a walk-off home run. Let’s not annoint Scutaro as a Yankee killer.
The Kazmir pitching tonight is (theoretically) not the Kazmir of years past.
Trust me, my fantasy team is well aware.
“Montero was 2-4 with a double and rbi (and a K) for Trenton.”
He’s been a one man gang for the Thunder of late.
Beckett and Lester have had their ups and downs this year. they’ve been downright dominant at times…and downright bad at others.
Anyway, I dont see that package being nearly enough. So I’ll worry about it when/if it actually happens.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
•Heyman gives his take on the Roy Halladay situation, explaining where suitors such as the Phillies, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Rangers, and Dodgers sit. Heyman still sees the Phils as the favorite. He says the Dodgers “are more focused on Lee than Halladay” but don’t want to break up their Major League roster. Good luck with that. One Heyman source suggested the Red Sox would need to give up Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, and Jed Lowrie (Gordon Edes says Bard is off-limits).
•Heyman also talks a bit about Boston’s interest in major bats Victor Martinez and Adrian Gonzalez.
“Teddy Ballgame was a weird dude. Joe D’s tongue in cheek nickname of Teddy Tantrum was an apt one. The fans loved him and cheered him all the time-but because once in a blue moon they booed him he refused to tip his cap to them, even when he homered in his final at bat. At home.
He also hated sportswriters, who in turn hated him and refused to vote him MVP.
But he was also very cordial to any fans he met in person and was supposedly a good guy if you ever met him.
Weird”
it depends on one’s perspective. He also served his country in 2 wars. I believe both voluntarily. When reflecting on Ted Williams, i think of an immensely talented and c*ocky kid, who became a real man. An all-american
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
It would take 5 players just to get Halladay, not seeing where they are getting Scutaro and Overbay unless Casey Kelly and Junuichi Tanazawa are going back as well.
Yankees counter with Kenny, Zmac, Romine, Pena, A-jax, Miranda!
Same line up as last night.
Wait,
You kill me. You think that Boston with Halladay, Beckett, Lester is better than us with Halladay, CC, Burnett?
From the last thread:
Beaver
This isn’t fake, things are moving very fast and it is a serious discussion. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Halladay in a Sox jersey tommorow.
I doubt it, because even if the they could pull off such a complex deal in the next 8 hours, you’ve got 8 guys who gotta take physicals.
If Doc is moved it’ll be an 11th hour deal. The Yanks got a chance if the Jays want to move big salaries.
Beckett’s up and down is an ERA below 3.3. I’ll take that up and down season any day.
I’m not saying give up, the season’s over, just that if the Sox get Halladay it’s difficult to imagine a scenario where we win the division.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 28th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
“Patrick, let me know when you grow up, maybe then we can have an intelligent conversation.”
Wow that was uncalled for.
We had a perfectly intelligent conversation last night.
It’s just silly to me that the only thing that matters to you is what a player does in the majors. Everyone else looks forward to players based on what they do in the minors.
Why do you think teams trade for prospects? Scouting reports, what those players have done in the minors etc. By your logic all prospects are worthless. Might as well trade Montero, Jackson, Melancon for Kevin Millar.
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so by your analysis every top minor league prospect will be a star in the majors, which as ridiculous as anything else I’ve read on this blog. I’m a huge fan of the Yankees home grown talent and want to see the Yankees develop another dynasty the same way they did in the ’90s. Cano, Joba, Hughes, Cabrera, Pena, Cervelli, and others have contributed to this year’s team in a very positive way. But to annoint a AA player at age 19 as the next great one is just putting way too much pressure and way too high an expectation on him when he reaches the big club. Why do so many posters trash Robbie Cano all the time? He’s one of the top 2nd baseman in the majors, hits for a high average, plays great defense, plays every day and never gets hurt, and is a product of the Yankees farm system? When Montero reaches the Yankees in 2011 (it most likely won’t be next year, he needs a year in AAA) if he doesn’t hit .320 with 30 HRs I wonder how many posters on this blog will be trashing him as being overrated. One of them won’t be me because I have the patience to watch a player develop and will appreciate the contributions he makes even when he isn’t quite the player he will be in the future. I’ve been a big supporter of Hughes and Joba all year because I think they will be top of the rotation starters for the Yankees for many years if given the opportunity and if they don’t get hurt, how many posts on this blog were ready to give up on both of them earlier this year (with Joba it was as recently as the Angels start before the ASB).
No Hype- you are late, but I will allow the submission this last time
Chris- You are good. Just in time
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 28th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Same line up as last night.
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I can’t remember last night’s line up. You have to play by the rules and actually post one silly Rebecca!!
OMG enough with the Halladay to the Sox. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN A MILLION YEARS and you can quote me.
Thanks Erica
Erica: Wasn’t guessing, was saying that of the actual line up!
Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, and Jed Lowrie for Halladay. That seems like a more legitimate trade to get Halladay. No way Theo would do that.
LOL @ Bucholtz and Bowden for Halladay that sounds like something Gammons would make up.
Hey Pete – any news on Wanger’s visit to Dr. James Andrews?
Jose will catch, I was actually working on one when I saw Ramey’s. It looked the same so I’ll play another day.
Congratulations to today’s winners of “Guess the Line Up”
IDCWYT at 2:52
YanksFan at 3:02
No Hype at 3:44
Thank you all for playing. Please tune in tomorrow at 2pm for another thrilling round of “Guess the Line Up”
NO HYPE-I don’t know if it’ll happen but just for fun I’m going to copy that quote and save it, just in case.
my fave Ted Williams quote (when told teammates were complaining he only focused on hitting) in his rookie season:
“Tell them, when i’m done playing , i will have made more money hitting, then the rest of them put together”
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 28th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Erica: Wasn’t guessing, was saying that of the actual line up!
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OH! LOL. Sorry, I get very into this game
“Halladay doesnt help the Sox offense. It’s been putrid and there’s no reason to think it will change. They’re either old, overrated or playing to their norm. It’s not like the Yanks last year, where they had guys hurt and underperforming. Youk and Pedroia are doing what they do. Jacoby is overrated. Bay and Drew are hitting the norm. Lowell and Ortiz are old.
The Sox would be very dangerous in the playoffs with that rotation. But i wouldnt be scared of them in the regular season unless they upgrade the bats.”
You’re dreaming. If the Sox get Halladay, him, Beckett, and Lester makes a top 3 better than any in baseball. Their offense played over their heads early in the season, but they aren’t this bad either.
Their rotation would definitely be good enough to carry their offense to at least the wild card. A playoff series against a Halladay, Beckett, and Lester would be difficult to say the least.
Please do because if that happens I will eat crow till the cows come home
Heard Jimmy Rollins on Cowherd show today talking about Phils chances of getting Halladay. While he was somewhat reluctant to trade a teammate (JA Happ) he had no problem trading prospects (Drabek etc.)no matter how highly touted they are. He said (paraphrasing) that’s all they are is prospects, you never know if they’ll ever make it in MLB. He acknowledged that even though the Phils won WS without RH last year, it would be hard to pass up a guy who would give them 2 more chances at it. We as fans cling to prospects. I just thought it was interesting to hear what a player had to say about it.
Sorry — but that is what I am told by my source with the Blue Jays.
I think Overbay is being pushed by the Blue Jays as salary relief. He would be an upgrade over LaRoche. The Jays want Lind to play everyday at first now.
The hold up is Bard. Jeff Blair from the Globe and Mail just tweeted, “No Bard, no deal”.
This isn’t fake, things are moving very fast and it is a serious discussion.
I don’t know who is for who, but those are the names being discussed. I know for sure (110%) that Overbay/Scutaro/Halladay are being discussed with the Red Sox. If they trade them (or even just one) it remains to be seen. I have an idea of the return, but not 100% sure but I know the Blue Jays are after Bard, Lowrie, Bucholtz, Anderson among others.
no roster move after jon a pathetic outing last night
Well, if aint broke don’t fix it.
But CC’s going to have to keep guys off the bases.
(did you guys see that Varitek is only nabbing 15% of base stealers? we need to run like the wind when we play them)
YAY I WON (along with two others) lol
I noticed, looking back, that a lot of people are just messing up Matsui/Posada and would have won if they did that correct. Girardi likes Matsui in the 5 hole for some reason so I always assume him there.
I just got in from a very, very, very screwy day. BUT I did get to listen to radio and just heard Kevin Kennedy and his partner talk about Dice-K blaming the Red Sox for his condition, saying that they did not allow him to train in the manner to which he was accustomed in Japan and that players of different ethnicities may need different training regimens. He said the way the Red Sox train hurt his effectiveness. He said the only reason he was able to win games the first two years is he was able to use what had been saved in his arm from his work in Japan and now that is spent.
Randy l – did you hear about this???? (If you’re here)
“Beckett and Lester have had their ups and downs this year. they’ve been downright dominant at times…and downright bad at others.”
FWIW, neither of them have been “down” for awhile.
Lester 7-3 with a 2.21 over his last 12
Beckett 10-2 with a 2.43 over his last 15
Even Penny has posted a sub 4 ERA since the end of April.
Their bullpen hasn’t allowed an earned run since before the all star game.
Their biggest problem, plain and simple, is bats.
Sorry — but that is what I am told by my source with the Blue Jays.
I think Overbay is being pushed by the Blue Jays as salary relief. He would be an upgrade over LaRoche. The Jays want Lind to play everyday at first now.
The hold up is Bard. Jeff Blair from the Globe and Mail just tweeted, “No Bard, no deal”.
This isn’t fake, things are moving very fast and it is a serious discussion.
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Shouldn’t you be posting this on the Phillies blog? They’re the ones that are going to have to match/exceed the Sox’ offer.
“(did you guys see that Varitek is only nabbing 15% of base stealers? we need to run like the wind when we play them)”
I can’t imagine anyway they keep Varitek after this season
Unless Cabrera gets hurt, the Yankees aren’t going to make a move just because they can.
They’re going to give every option due consideration for the time being and go from there.
beaver = bobcat
?
Also heard it was Kotsay for Anderson straight up (Red & White Sox)
NO HYPE
July 28th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
YAY I WON (along with two others) lol
I noticed, looking back, that a lot of people are just messing up Matsui/Posada and would have won if they did that correct. Girardi likes Matsui in the 5 hole for some reason so I always assume him there.
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Flipping Posada and Matsui is usually why people lose. (Assuming they don’t decide to rest players). That is the most common line up fluctuation I have
i guess is all about the 40 man roster
“(did you guys see that Varitek is only nabbing 15% of base stealers? we need to run like the wind when we play them)”
I can’t imagine anyway they keep Varitek after this season
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That is why I think they need Victor Martinez a whole lot more than they need Halladay.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
We can agree to disagree. The Sox wouldhave a better rotation. the Yanks would have a much better lineup. And the pens would be close to equal.
I just dont see how the Sox suddenly become the clear cut favorite to win the division.
The Yanks do have a tougher schedule though.
The important bullpen guys are rested from with last night off and the everyday players got their days off at the end of the homestand. You don’t want to expect too much from an 8 game road trip, but it would be great to have a strong trip heading into the series against Boston.
July 28th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
“(did you guys see that Varitek is only nabbing 15% of base stealers? we need to run like the wind when we play them)”
I can’t imagine anyway they keep Varitek after this season
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That is why I think they need Victor Martinez a whole lot more than they need Halladay.
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Are there any major FA catchers after this season?
Why would Riccardi trade to the BoSox… a division rival when he has said he will not trade within the division. I could see the Yanks roadblocking a RS deal if one was imminent though.
of course, the yankees have a 2 game trip to toronto and halladay is lined up to pitch in one of those games, if he’s still on the team.
The only way the Red Sox are getting Halladay is for them to give up a LOT. Are they going to give up that kind of bounty? We shall see.
They aren’t getting Halladay for Buchholz, Bowden and Westmorland.
All of these 20 player trades sound nice on MLB Trade Rumors. But, that’s why they are on a “rumors” website. Those deal rarely happen because there are too many moving parts.
The Jays also aren’t going to give Halladay to the Red Sox.
They are leveraging the Phillies to try and extract what they want from the Phillies. Once they do that, they will trade him to the Phillies unless they get blown away by another team.
CountryClub-Fair enough.
Erica-My only win was with Posada in the five hole and Matsui in the six hole. So no gurantees anyway.
no.27,
You said I was dreaming and then you pretty much agreed with what I wrote. haha, no worries. I dont think the deal will be done anyway.
“Sorry — but that is what I am told by my source with the Blue Jays. ”
A blogger with “sources”.
I’m calling bullsh-t!
“Are there any major FA catchers after this season?”
Joe Mauer?
I believe..
Mauer will get resigned by the Twins… it would be disasterous if they didnt!
“so by your analysis every top minor league prospect will be a star in the majors, which as ridiculous as anything else I’ve read on this blog.”
Nope, I never said that and I don’t believe that.
Nobody is hyping Montero, we are just excited at how good he is at such a young age.
He will be in the major leagues next year, no doubt about it. That’s not hype, that’s a legitimate projection based on what he’s done in the minors.
Are there any major FA catchers after this season?
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Erica,
Here’s the list of free agents available at the end of this year. I’m not impressed by any of the catchers, but maybe you are a better judge than I am.
Catchers
Brad Ausmus (41)
Paul Bako (38)
Rod Barajas (34)
Josh Bard (32)
Michael Barrett (33) – club option
Henry Blanco (38)
Ramon Castro (34)
Sal Fasano (38)
Toby Hall (34)
Ramon Hernandez (34) – $8.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jason Kendall (36)
Jason LaRue (36)
Victor Martinez (31) – $7MM club option with a $250K buyout
Bengie Molina (35)
Jose Molina (35)
Miguel Olivo (31) – $3.25MM mutual option
Mike Redmond (39)
Ivan Rodriguez (38)
Brian Schneider (33)
Yorvit Torrealba (31) – $4MM mutual option with a $500K buyout
Javier Valentin (34)
Jason Varitek (38) – $5MM club/$3MM player option plus incentives
Vance Wilson (37)
Gregg Zaun (39) – $2MM club option with a $500K buyout
“They aren’t getting Halladay for Buchholz, Bowden and Westmorland.”
You got that right, Bowden is nothing but a back of rotation pitcher in the ML while Westmoreland is playing in the New York Penn League with Buchholz fast appoaching his 25th birthday and questions about his fastball command.
That is why I think they need Victor Martinez a whole lot more than they need Halladay.
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Are there any major FA catchers after this season?
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I have tons of respect for Victor Martinez but his strength isn’t behind the plate, I doubt whether he’s more than a slight upgrade, defensively, if at all, over Varitek. Plus, Varitek knows the pitching staff inside and out and always seemed to me a catcher who knew how to call a game and handle pitchers as well.
““Sorry — but that is what I am told by my source with the Blue Jays. ”
A blogger with “sources”.
I’m calling bullsh-t!”
You’re calling it correct with this troll.
This just in: my “sources” which include Mickey Mouse and Scooby Doo see Halladay going to the NYY for Angel Berroa memorabilia and a used gold thong which may or may not have belonged to Jason Giambi.
More coming…
“beaver = bobcat
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Or Peter Gammons?
The “calls a good game” thing is a load of crap.
Sorry MG. Not directed at you directly, just a general comment.
Cash is King-Is there proven troll history then with Beaver?
“You said I was dreaming and then you pretty much agreed with what I wrote. haha, no worries. I dont think the deal will be done anyway.”
Well, I also said that the Red Sox offense isn’t as bad as it has looked recently. If they get Halladay, they will definitely make the playoffs and then they would be favored to win the World Series with that rotation.
no. 27.-I agree.
We’re all being fooled too much by their annual midsummer swoon.
This just in: my “sources” which include Mickey Mouse and Scooby Doo see Halladay going to the NYY for Angel Berroa memorabilia and a used gold thong which may or may not have belonged to Jason Giambi.
More coming…
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Aw c’mon, lets not be pikers…lets hire Tony Bernazzard as player devlopment director and include him in the deal too.
Hey Pete,
Any news on CMW, or should we just expect the next step from the team’s wonderfully transparent press office to be a press release in mid 2010 stating that he’s completed his rehab from surgery and will be making a couple starts in Scranton?????
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 28th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
“so by your analysis every top minor league prospect will be a star in the majors, which as ridiculous as anything else I’ve read on this blog.”
Nope, I never said that and I don’t believe that.
Nobody is hyping Montero, we are just excited at how good he is at such a young age.
He will be in the major leagues next year, no doubt about it. That’s not hype, that’s a legitimate projection based on what he’s done in the minors
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of course you are hyping him, there is nothing wrong with that until you accuse anyone who disagrees with your analysis as being stupid or a ‘prospect hater’
Here is what the Yankees think, it doesn’t sound to me like he will be with the big club next year unless he can catch at a major league level (if they change his position they will give him time at AAA to develop those skills, it is not a good idea to take a 19 year old and make him a DH):
hey said it: “The things that were impressive about him were the fact that he’s 18 years old and put up exceptional numbers in a full-season environment. That’s pretty good. How fast he moves will be more a function of his defensive development.” — Mark Newman, Yankees Senior Vice President of Baseball Operations
Midsummer swoon this year is not being negated by a poor 1st half from the Yankees. If anything, down the stretch the Yankees will only improve with Sabathia tradionally being a beast going into the playoffs, AJ being AJ, Pettitte being healthy for once and Joba getting his act together.
I agree that they’d make the playoffs. But i was having a discussion with ‘Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN’ about the Sox’s chances of winning the division. He thinks they’d be the clear cut favorite and I disagree.
The Yankees had an EXCELLENT first half, the Red Sox just had an even better one.
I’m not saying there’s no chance, of course it’s baseball and I’m not giving up on ym team, but the Red Sox are good and are not just going away.
If Boston or NYY are involved in a trade with Toronto, I believe 2 of the following 3 – Wells, Rios, Rolen would ahve to be involved with Halladay. I suspect Toronto would consider taking up to ½ of Wells contract back as well.
If the Yankees were to go this route, it would be expensive but they could trade Wells to SF Giants (@ ½ Price) for a Pitching Prospect, & keep Rios & Halladay. Still it would be expensive for the Yankees on the order of Montero, Pena, AJax & 2 quality pitchers (McAllister/Coke) types.
I have tons of respect for Victor Martinez but his strength isn’t behind the plate, I doubt whether he’s more than a slight upgrade, defensively, if at all, over Varitek. Plus, Varitek knows the pitching staff inside and out and always seemed to me a catcher who knew how to call a game and handle pitchers as well.
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Yeah, thats all well and good but is Varitek going to be back next year??? If not, the Red Sox are totally different team without him…thats a big hole to fill.
Sorry, can’t remember who said it, but Montero is not a candidate to ever play LF for us.
I’ve seen this kid live – he has zero ability to try and cover LF in Yankee Stadium. He’s a stud, but he’s not becoming an OF for us, much less a LF.
Jobber on with Kay right now
ym is my.
“of course you are hyping him, there is nothing wrong with that until you accuse anyone who disagrees with your analysis as being stupid or a ‘prospect hater’”
Never called you stupid.
That quote by Newman is a year old, nobody ever expected him to dominate AA which is what he’s doing. Nowadays people are saying he COULD BE the next Mike Piazza.
His bat is too good to be stuck in the minors for too long.
All of this Halladay to the Sox stuff gets lost in the facts.
Where is the “30% increase” in cost for the Sox in these rumors deals? Its Red Sox favored media folks hyping up marginal Red Sox prospects to try and make them seem appealing.
The Red Sox best prospects that aren’t on the major league roster are: Casey Kelly, Lars Anderson, Japanese pitcher, and Bowden, in that order.
The Blue Jays aren’t going to take a propsects only deal for Halladay. If they did that, they could make the deal with the Phillies right now and not have the heat from their fan base over trading him to the Red Sox.
Also, if the Sox back up the truck for Halladay, they have no other options to not only pick up a bat but, to make any other deals now or in the off-season to improve their team.
Its not how they operate up there.
If the Yankees can win more than half the remaining BoSox games then they stand poised to take the division. And remember, A-Rod can only get better.
Again, this isnt a swoon for the Sox bats. Nobody is underperforming. This is the 2nd bad year in a row for Varitek, Ortiz and Ellsbury. Lowell is old and coming off an injury. Bay and Drew are hitting the backs of their cards. Pedroia and Youk are performing well for the year.
This is who they are.
don’t take this as a slight of Montero but Jorge Vasquez is actually dominating the Eastern League at a higher level than Montero right now, why is no one talking about him?
SJ44,
Lars Anderson has taken a big step back this year. Maybe just a bump in the road, maybe not.
Boston is cheering for the Yankees this series. There’s already some separation between the Rays and them.
The task for the Red Sox is to figure out the best way to beat the Yankees (I know, guffaw, haha).
The last position player prospect the Yankees had as highly rated as Jesus Montero was Derek Jeter in 1995.
In fact, power-wise, there isn’t a prospect in the game at his level right now and he’s 19 years old. Its ridiculous how good he is at this stage of his career.
There is no guarantee of future success. However, if he was a stock, people would buying as many shares as they can.
He’s that good.
He’s going to be in the majors next year. Heck, if the Yankees weren’t a contending team right now, he would probably be in the majors now or in September.
He’s that rare a talent for that age.
ICountryClub-That’s where we disagree.
I DON’T think they’ll remain this bad. They’re no offensive juggernaut by any stretch of the imagination, but I fully expect them to produce at first half efficiency.
They go through this midsummer swoon every year. It’s not gonna last IMO and they’re not gonna fall out of it.
Perhaps the reason AJax is not up with the MLB NYY is because he is about to be traded and the receiving team may not want to start his MLB clock yet.
Jorge Vasquez is 27 years old. He should be hitting in AA at that age.
Jesus Montero is 19 and a catcher. Big, big difference.
Anderson is a young guy struggling in AA. That’s not unusual.
He is still a highly rated guy by other teams and a player the Red Sox could deal for someone good.
“The Red Sox best prospects that aren’t on the major league roster are: Casey Kelly, Lars Anderson, Japanese pitcher, and Bowden, in that order.”
And none of those players were considered top 50 prospects by baseball america.
Tough to pull of a trade for Halladay with only prospects who aren’t broadly considered to be in the top 50.
Anyone one know of a campground in the DC MD area close or sorta close to Fed Ex Field??
If the Sox got Halladay, I don’t think it would affect the Yankees winning the division that much.
You figure, the Yankees have to play the Red Sox 10 more times, so they’d probably face Halladay twice more on the Red Sox, but avoid having to play him when they face the Blue Jays.
Obviously the Red Sox would win more games with Halladay, but the Yankees have been playing .670 baseball against teams that aren’t from Boston. That wouldn’t change by the Red Sox getting Halladay.
“Lars Anderson has taken a big step back this year. Maybe just a bump in the road, maybe not.”
He’s still well thought of around baseball.
SJ44,
Do you put any stock into the worries that Jesus’ catching skills will be deficient if he’s brought up too quickly? I figure, who better to learn catching from than Tony Pena?
Do you think he has the skills right now to catch a major league pitcher? If so I could definitely see him on the team next year. My only worry is, the Yanks would probably need to carry 3 catchers if he makes the team.
My sources on the beach don’t really know who Roy Halladay is.
I need better sources.
Their first half efficiency was built on completely unsustainable production from Youkilis and Bay. Thats like saying Nick Swisher is suddenly gonna be batting .300/.420/.600 for the rest of the year.
I think the Red Sox are what they are. A team that has some power, plus patience, strikes out a lot, and have a bunch of players with tons of holes/offensive defficiencies.
Bay is completely dominated by good breaking stuff and fastballs down and in. Drew loves to roll over to the right side. Ellsbury doesnt get on base. Ortiz can guess right for a HR but can be gotten out. Lowell can’t run. Laroche sucks. Varitek sucks.
They are pretty much Pedroia & Youkilis + whoever shows up that night. (usually no one)
S.A.–Relax, Relate, Release
July 28th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Jobber on with Kay right now
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Can you provide some details when it’s over? ESPN Radio does not come in where I am.
I can only get Kay’s show if I drive around in the car, and only in certain spots. Weird, since I’m in the metro area, but there you have it.
Thanks in advance – just the gist of it would be great.
SJ44-
Your argument is why I don’t think Montero’s future is as an everyday catcher. I don’t see the Yanks leaving him in the minors long enough to let him develop his catching skills to an everyday major league catcher level (assuming he could even get there eventually – a big assumption).
Starting sometime next year, every day he isn’t called up will be a day we didn’t get his production at DH. They’ll call him up.
IMO, best reasonably predictable outcome is that he can be the back-up catcher and regular DH.
IMO, the best to hope
“Jorge Vasquez is 27 years old. He should be hitting in AA at that age.
Jesus Montero is 19 and a catcher. Big, big difference.
Anderson is a young guy struggling in AA. That’s not unusual.
He is still a highly rated guy by other teams and a player the Red Sox could deal for someone good.”
Anderson will be 22 years old in less than two months and he already played a number of games in AA last season. He’s definitely has taken a step back.
Kay asking the audience would you trade Hughes Jackson Montero for Halladay. Said scouts say that’s would it would take to get Halladay with the Yankees.
People said the same thing last year when the Yankees made their nice second half run. And it didn’t happen.
Red Sox are slumping, they won’t stay that way all year.
Sox offer Buchholz, Bowden, and Westmore?
Fine. Offer McAllister, Nova, and Colin Curtis.
“He’s going to be in the majors next year. Heck, if the Yankees weren’t a contending team right now, he would probably be in the majors now or in September.
He’s that rare a talent for that age.”
There’s definitely lots of examples of prospects skipping AAA, but the Yankees say they are still committed to him playing catcher. Him going to the big leagues next year would almost definitely mean he was going to DH.
The Yankees don’t need him in the majors now, and he would be MUCH more valuable to them as Jorge’s replacement. Why would they rush him up next year? He’ll only be 20.
Trevor
July 28th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Kay asking the audience would you trade Hughes Jackson Montero for Halladay. Said scouts say that’s would it would take to get Halladay with the Yankees.
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For the record, I would tell Ricciardi to take a hike and wait for Doc to be a FA in 2011. Of course, by then, he may not be needed if they Yankees young starters develop to their potential.
This whole Halladay saga is not only about prospects, it’s about money……What I find most interesting is all talks revolve just around sending players back to Toronto…..I really thought that at this stage some club would be making headway by offering salary relief….Boston could get things rolling by taking on Scutero or Overbay, as we all understand it reduces the level of quality in return…..Cashman has to be sitting back ready to trump all with a Alex Rios offer…..If the Yankee Front Office really wants to make a serious push for Roy Vernon Wells name will come up in the discussions……We’ve spoken about this scenero for the past 2 weeks……I still see this as the deal maker……
CB: Interesting about the Sox top prospects.
Someone earlier here quoted someone quoting a scout that said the Sox are falling into a trap of overvaluing their prospects.
Not that the Yankees have never done that, but can you say holy hubris, batman?
bodhisattva – Destiny Wears Pinstripes – Melancon Watch: Seventeen Days
paraphrasing here:
It was pretty much Kay asking Jobber about how does he feel about his name popping up in trade rumors. Jobber saying that it doesn’t bother him, Youuse has been going through it a bit longer than he has. Means teams want you. Love this organization. The break was good for him. yada yada yada
Nothing really major though I also zoned out a bit
I thought it was pretty safe to assume that after the Yankees put up 11 runs yesterday that there is no reason to change the line up today. I am looking for Molina and Hinske in the line up tomorrow though especially if we win today.
Scutaro is not a salary dump. He makes 1 million dollars. Overbay is not a salary dump, he only makes 7 million dollars.
Those are legit players the red sox would be trading for and would need to pony up players.
Dr. Andrews must be a busy, busy man.
2010 free agent list per Cots :
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....gents.html
“Starting sometime next year, every day he isn’t called up will be a day we didn’t get his production at DH. They’ll call him up.”
The Yankees can afford to wait and give him every chance to develop into a catcher. There will be plenty DH types that they can sign. Having a cost controlled catcher that can hit like Montero projects to hit is worth way more than what he can provide as a DH at 20 years old.
Kay is lost. I mean sure the Yankees love Cervelli but he’s not an everyday catcher. He’s talking as if Montero and Cervelli are on the same level. Would it hurt to do some research?
Kay asking the audience would you trade Hughes Jackson Montero for Halladay. Said scouts say that’s would it would take to get Halladay with the Yankees.
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Kay saying he would do that deal
He is no prospect hugger
Wait, is someone calling for montero to be a full-time DH at the age of 20?
if the Jays want to dump Rios’ salary why wouldn’t they take a couple of mid level prospects for him? If they dump Overbay Vazquez would be a good pickup, he could be a Carlos Pena type of player down the road and he has no chance to play for the Yankees at 1B. Add an Eduardo Nunez and a decent AAA pitching prospect and I would see that as a great trade for the Yankees.
Calling him up the majors means he can benefit from learning the position from Posada, Girardi, and Pena (assuming he is here still). The downside is less playing time @ catcher. He would be the 3rd catcher most likely behind cervelli and would probably spend a lot of time @ DH , and maybe catching at the beginning of a game and being replaced by Posada/Cervelli half way.
Or just learning until we see what he can do.
A bat that good you find a way to play. Happened with Cabrera, Jones, etc.
You can make all the offers you want. Its getting an offer accepted is what matters.
Patrick,
He can’t catch at the ML level right now.
Can he catch 30-40 games next year? Yes.
Its going to be interesting to see what they do with him in the off-season. Do they try him in LF to add some versatility to his game? I don’t think so. I think he’s going to spend the winter catching because I think they think he can be decent back there.
The people who talk about his catching have never seen him catch everyday. The improvement he made in a year is substantial.
If he is on the same improvement track, by the time he’s 22 years old, he can be an acceptable everyday ML catcher.
In the meantime, if you have him backing up in NY for a couple of years and have him working with Tony Pena everyday, he can’t help but get better.
Mike Piazza was not a very good defensive catcher and he’s going into the HOF because of his bat.
No reason why Montero can’t be the same kind of catcher.
He’s never going to be a Jose Molina defensively. He is though, a special, special hitter.
FWIW, Kay is saying he’s hearing the Yankees are on the fringes of the Halladay talks. I heard the same thing today in a lunch meeting.
Doesn’t mean they are going to get him but, they are talking to Toronto. Be interesting to see what happens.
Trevor: Kay’s never struck me as very much in love with the farm system.
Montero is so superior to Cervelli as a prospect it’s ridiculous to even mention them in the same sentence except as I’m doing right now to point out the obvious differences.
“Scutaro is not a salary dump. He makes 1 million dollars. Overbay is not a salary dump, he only makes 7 million dollars.
Those are legit players the red sox would be trading for and would need to pony up players.”
I agree with you about Scutaro, but Overbay is owed almost 10M for the remainder of this season and next year.
Rebecca did you ever see the profile on Dr Andrews that 60 minutes did? it was unreal the amount of patients he sees in a day, how many surgery’s he does in a day and during football season what his schedule is as he is dr for both Alabama and Auburn
Rebecca,
We all know there’s only one love in Kay’s life.
Trevor,
My answer would be HELL NO.
I like Frank (this caller on Kay’s show)
Whats all this about Melky being center fielder “for now”…..Melky has started far, far more games then anyone else this year.
He moves to left or right in late innings not because he is not a good fielder….but because Gardner can ONLY play center and not the corners.
By the way…..Melky has the third highest batting average on the team right now………
Pat M….
July 28th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I agree!
Not only is Jorge Vasquez 27, he’s not nearly the hitter Montero is – OBP hasn’t been good and Ks a lot.
Montero hits for average, gets on base, and the power, of course.
SJ, I would agree that the goal should be for Montero to be a full time catcher at age 22 or 23 but not at age 20, he has more developing to do to be able to handle the pressure and stress of a full time job behind the plate. All the natural talent in the world doesn’t guarantee success as a catcher, Johnny Bench’s don’t come around more than once every couple of generations. I saw Bench catch against the Mets as a 19 year old in 1967, you could see he had all the tools but wasn’t ready. It didn’t matter to the Reds to throw him in full time because they weren’t contenders anyway but it isn’t fair to do that to a kid with a perennial contender.
gayle: I never did. Dr for both Alabama AND Auburn? I hope they pay him.
CB,
As far as Casey Kelly, I know teams that like him more than Buchholz. He’s really come on this season and will probably be a Top 15-20 prospect next year.
Here is the thing about Buchholz. You can make an argument the Sox held onto him too long. He really hasn’t impressed at the major league level yet.
Folks are too caught up in his no hitter. For the last month, both in the majors and minors, he hasn’t pitched that well.
I think his value isn’t as high to some teams as those in the Pro-Red Sox media think it is.
Is he valuable to the Jays? I don’t have contacts with the Jays so, I can’t answer that.
I do know though Hughes and Chamberlain are more highly thought of by more teams than Clay Buchholz at this time.
“Trevor: Kay’s never struck me as very much in love with the farm system.”
You’re right because I don’t think Kay realizes how good some of these prospects are and he’s generally lumping them all together by dismissing them as unproven. He’s right they are unproven ML players, but there are some that are just special like Jeter was in 95/96 and Montero is today.
SA: What is caller Frank saying?
Michael Kay-not a fan of young prospects
SJ44,
Interesting.
That’s one of the reasons I never really comment on Montero’s defense, I’ve read all the scouting reports but never seen it for myself.
If Montero can catch 30-40 games next year and DH a lot of games wont the Yanks need a third catcher?
I imagine Wang in the waiting room, reading Highlights magazine, listening to the muzak version of “Scarborough Fair”.
Trevor
July 28th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Kay is lost. I mean sure the Yankees love Cervelli but he’s not an everyday catcher. He’s talking as if Montero and Cervelli are on the same level. Would it hurt to do some research?
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Kay is lost, Cervelli is basically a very good backup catcher he will have Molina’s job next year. Montero could be a 40 homerun type player. Both Montero and Romine will be better than Cervelli. But Kay is the same person who last year killed Hughes and said he is not a major league pitcher and this year is saying how Hughes is an untouchable. This guy is the yankees play by play guy it is amazing how clueless he is about the farm system.
Quidam03
July 28th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Whats all this about Melky being center fielder “for now”…..Melky has started far, far more games then anyone else this year.
He moves to left or right in late innings not because he is not a good fielder….but because Gardner can ONLY play center and not the corners.
By the way…..Melky has the third highest batting average on the team right now………
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We agree on this.
Melky is the center fielder, and this stuff about him getting “exposed” if he plays too much is unfounded. The more he plays, the better he can continue to develop as a genuine switch-hitting threat. His “weak” side this year has been hitting lefty – but that’s a very respectable .283. He’s now hitting .303 as a RHB.
His numbers are also much better when he plays CF then left or right.
Rebecca-Frank was saying he would not do the deal. Cashman didn’t make the trade for 28 year old Santana, why will he now do this deal for 32 year old Halladay.
rebecca,
The sox system is relatively down right now. We keep hearing about how much talent they have and how they can execute any deal they want.
They could – but it will hurt. The pieces they have of value are Buchholz and Bard. And they don’t want to give them up. They’re rotation will have major holes next year.
Otherwise their best prospects are largely in the low minors. And guys in the low minors have limited value.
Right now they don’t have that one guy in the minors who could be the anchor for a big deal. They don’t. Lars Anderson could have been that guy but the reports on him out of AA are not good at all and neither is his production.
They’ll need to borrow from the big league roster to make a deal. And that is a real complicating factor (as it is for the yanks).
From my perspective, more than only overvaluing their prospects, the issue the Sox have is that they can’t decide on whether or not they want to start acting more like a big market team.
Montero would develop a lot faster as the backup in NY than in Scranton tearing the cover off the ball next year.
Being able to work with Pena, Girardi and Posada everyday will make him better.
In fact, if you handle the roster creatively, perhaps you have Cervelli, Montero and Posada on it in 2010.
I’m going to be interested to see what happens in the next few days.
The Yankees have too many catchers. Somebody can get dealt to pick up someone good. Who that is, I don’t know.
However, something is up. They know they need a little more to have a great chance to win the WS. Personally, I think they are going to make a couple of deals this week.
I’d be shocked if they don’t.
Just the fact he mentions Cervelli and Montero in the same breath tells me he doesn’t know much about these prospects. And for the most part neither does the audience.
SJ…all I have to say is that hopefully what you heard is correct and that they are at least talking.
IMO…since Cash has had full control, not to mention Hal running the team instead of Hank…the Yankees have put a lock down of talks outside of the Yankees.
Gone are the days of the media having access to George and getting little tid bits here and there.
I think when the dust settles the Yankees will have made a move before Friday…I just can’t wait.
All winter long all I heard was CC wanted the west coast and that Tex was going to the Sawx…well how did that turnout???
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 28th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
SJ44,
Interesting.
That’s one of the reasons I never really comment on Montero’s defense, I’ve read all the scouting reports but never seen it for myself.
If Montero can catch 30-40 games next year and DH a lot of games wont the Yanks need a third catcher?
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Patrick, no offense, but if you’ve never seen Montero play in person or even on television how do you feel qualified to make blanket statements that he will definitely be ready for the major leagues next year? Highlights are just that, highlights. You learn so much more watching a whole game and if you did, you would come away with a real opinion about his defensive potential. For one thing, in order to catch he has to have a throwing arm and a quick enough release to throw out some runners, what is the scouting report on that?
If Lars Anderson was having the year Jesus Montero is having, the Red Sox would have more options.
If I’m a GM, the two guys I want are Bard and Casey Kelly.
They are better prospects than anybody in their system right now.
Quidam03
July 28th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Whats all this about Melky being center fielder “for now”…..Melky has started far, far more games then anyone else this year.
Totally Agree! Melkman Delivers!
Am I missing something about Casey Kelly? On MILB.com they have him as playing in ten games this entire season.
How is he regarded as an untouchable prospect if that is true? I’m confused.
Rebecca that was the whole start of the piece about how only guy in the world could be both an Alabama guy as well as an Auburn guy.
There was discussion on XM radio about Halladay situation, too (of course!). They talked about having had to “eat” BJ Ryan’s contract. They talked about going down the list of players, who was really marketable and of course that was Halladay in that he could bring the biggest return. But what they want in terms of players is someone(s) that are major league ready – that they could put right on the field and be productive.
The problem they are facing is no team wants to part with those type players because it would possibly be a net negative – yeah, you get Halladay, but look what you LOSE, adn that’s not a small consideration.
They talked about the fact that the best possible deal they could make may in fact involve A and AA players, but that they don’t want to do that – they don’t want to wait 2 years for a return on the trade.
What struck me, though, was that I kept thinking, because they did mention at least twice the money, that they could sell a deal where maybe they don’t get the ML ready players they’re seeking but get a lot of salary relief.
So, it will definitely, in my mind, come down to which team can take on Wells or Rios.
“New York Jets
It was pretty predictable we in the media were going to love the Jets in the Rex Ryan era, given the ex-Ravens defensive coordinator never met a question he didn’t like — which leaves him in somewhat stark contrast to his taciturn predecessor. But it’s not just hype. New York has a chance to be a surprise playoff team this year, and if its rookie QB gets hot, things could really get fun.”
I’m as much of a Jets fan as a casual football fan can be, but this really made me laugh.
I want to add to my prior post that they said, I think I remember correctly, that the money owed BJ Ryan is almost equal to their entire 1998 payroll.
“He moves to left or right in late innings not because he is not a good fielder….but because Gardner can ONLY play center and not the corners.”
Gardner can play left field too. He played left field last year. Girardi puts him in center because he has more range than Melky.
Melky is having a very good year though.
“From my perspective, more than only overvaluing their prospects, the issue the Sox have is that they can’t decide on whether or not they want to start acting more like a big market team.”
Isn’t Boston usually considered a big market team, anyway? I know they like to pretend they’re small market, but don’t they already have the second highest payroll?
I see where Kay is coming from with some of his points. I just don’t agree with all of them.
One thing he says is true. The Yankees haven’t traded any prospect in the last 10+ years for veteran help that has turned out to be an all star.
The one thing the Yankees do VERY well, and get ZERO credit for it around baseball is, they know THEIR system better than anybody.
They self-scout at the minor league level brilliantly.
They know the guys to hype, to trade, and to keep and their track record for this is virtually unmatched in the game the last 10+ years.
To me, that’s as important as anything you can do with your farm system.
The Giants have some serious issues with the WR position, but even if their young receivers don’t pan out they’ll still be well within the playoff hunt because of their number 2 ranked defense.
And I love Eli.
“The Yankees have too many catchers. Somebody can get dealt to pick up someone good. Who that is, I don’t know.
However, something is up. They know they need a little more to have a great chance to win the WS. Personally, I think they are going to make a couple of deals this week.”
The key, IMO, to this prediction is Austin Romine. He must be very attractive, along with a couple of the Yankee pitchers.
“Am I missing something about Casey Kelly? On MILB.com they have him as playing in ten games this entire season.
How is he regarded as an untouchable prospect if that is true? I’m confused.”
They only have Kelly as a hitter in those ten games. He pitched in the Carolina League in the fist half of the season and was dominant.
I dont know what to say… just i love how the yankees are playing, if they go 39-24 the rest of the way they will finish 100-62. GO YANKEES!!!
Doreen,
I agree, it’ll come down to the 11th hour. The Jays front office will say we tried to get a deal done, but couldn’t. But moving Doc & Rios gave us some financial flexibility to start rebuilding, blah, blah, blah.
The path of progress for Jesus Montero should see him in his 3rd year of spring training under the tutorage of Tony Pena then spending most of the 2010 season at AAA with a big league callup in September.
If Cashman declines to sign Jose Molina to another contract, Frankie Cervelli will be Jorge’s backup next year.
2011 will be Jorge’s last year and primarily as a DH with Montero and Cervelli sharing the catching duties. Montero will still be only 21.
“I see where Kay is coming from with some of his points. I just don’t agree with all of them.
One thing he says is true. The Yankees haven’t traded any prospect in the last 10+ years for veteran help that has turned out to be an all star.
The one thing the Yankees do VERY well, and get ZERO credit for it around baseball is, they know THEIR system better than anybody.
They self-scout at the minor league level brilliantly.
They know the guys to hype, to trade, and to keep and their track record for this is virtually unmatched in the game the last 10+ years.
To me, that’s as important as anything you can do with your farm system.”
Which is why the Yankees get accused of overhyping their prospects.:)
“Patrick, no offense, but if you’ve never seen Montero play in person or even on television how do you feel qualified to make blanket statements that he will definitely be ready for the major leagues next year?”
Scouting reports, stats, and I talk to people that have seen him. I’ve seen him a bit but not enough to make a qualified opinion. I was talking about his defense anyways, not his offense. Offensively he’s ready for the majors right now.
Ignore what I say all you want, go listen to SJ44, one of the most knowledgeable and respected members of this blog. He’s saying right now that Montero will be in the majors next year.
RT @SI_JonHeyman #yankees talking to #pirates about ian snell. but yank pitch list is long: halladay, lee, washburn, arroyo, garland, etc.
Big difference between Halladay and Lee and Bronson Arroyo and Garland
When Casey Kelly signed he got the Sox to agree to let him play in the field half the year. They OK’d it because they knew he’d be on innings limits his first couple of years anyway. They see him as a pitcher for the long term.
I wouldn’t mind Garland if it’s not going to take a ton.
If they go say 34-29…5 games over .500, they will be 96-66. If 96 wins is not enough to make it to the dance I would be amazed.
M-
Right – a last ditch effort that will end up making them look good to their fans. WE tried our best, we asked for the biggest, etc. etc. Because at this point, they almost have to move Halladay. I mean, they don’t HAVE to – nobody has to do anything, but it sure seems the team has had a mindset change since they put Halladay on the market.
There is complete information lockdown with the Yankees. Its always like that at the deadline.
The only time you get any real info is when they refute a report. Like they did last night with Arroyo because they don’t want it to mess up conversations about other deals.
Frankly, that’s the way it should be.
I’ve said it for weeks and I’m not wavering now.
I don’t think the Yankees have ANY problems dealing for Halladay.
I think they have and will engaged Toronto in talks and I don’t think they will be afraid from doing the deal.
What they WON’T do is get fleeced. Pain? Yeah, they realize it would hurt to part with some of the players.
However, it won’t be a fleecing.
Isn’t ther a difference between overhyping & overvaluing?
Cash made the comment the other day that he doesn’t overvalue his prospects and gave the example that all the players wanted for Santana are all contributing at the major league level.
I would think that overvaluing is holding on to your prospects when you can get something very valuable in retun, and those prospects don’t pan out.
Overhyping your prospects is what Gammons does for the Sox!
Ian Snell had a 5.36 era in the nl central this year. I rather use Aceves as a starter than Snell.
The White Sox picked up Mark Kotsay from BOS for Brian Anderson.
FYI – Don’t know “beaver”, but I know bobcat. Beaver is not bobcat.
Great debate on WFAN right now for the sexiest World Series.
Options:
Cubs vs anyone
Yankees vs Dodgers
Yankees vs Phillies
Boston vs Dodgers (Manny)
Boston vs Phillies
What do you think?
“One thing he says is true. The Yankees haven’t traded any prospect in the last 10+ years for veteran help that has turned out to be an all star.”
Dioner Navarro was an all star last season.
Not so much this season.
Mark Kotsay is better than Brian Anderson IMO.
The Rays need to install some AC while waiting to enter
UPDATE, 4:18 p.m.: Chien-Ming Wang is still waiting to see Dr. Andrews. No update yet.
Also no roster move today it seems.
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Oh good…we get to watch Jonathan Albaldejo pitch again.
Truth is, I’d like to see what Ian Snell would do pitching for a good team…..I’ve always liked his arm, he just seems to be a guy who for whatever reason has not played up to his potential……
Rebecca-Yankees/Dodgers or Yankees/Cubs, definitely.
I like Yankees vs Dodgers. This would have a lot of drama.
Great debate on WFAN right now for the sexiest World Series.
Options:
Cubs vs anyone
Yankees vs Dodgers
Yankees vs Phillies
Boston vs Dodgers (Manny)
Boston vs Phillies
What do you think?
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Definitely Yankees vs. Dodgers
Baseball really needs to have a good WS. The last few have been quite boring since 01′.
Meanwhile, the last few Super Bowls have been outstanding.
Nice to see Damon and A Rod in there…go get them guys!!!! Hopefully Yanks will get a pitcher by Friday of some sort…..
Isn’t Garland the best option as a # 5 starter?It doesn’t take much to get him and he’s a groundball pitcher
Yeah, Yankees vs. Dodgers would really be something.
I’d love to see the Cubs get to the WS in a year the Yankees aren’t in it so then I can root for the Cubs without feeling like the big bad villain.
First choice is Yankees v. Dodgers, though personally, I don’t want an emotion-charged WS, since it’s likely the ALCS will also be emotion-charged for the Yankees if they get there.
Second would be Cubs v. Yankees, and that would be my choice of the WS I’d want to see, but Cubs v. ANYONE is an historic event.
Hmmm, Jim Kaat agrees with CountryClub on the Sox offense:
http://kaatskorner.mlblogs.com/
“The percentages say that they’re probably going to win at least half of these upcoming games, especially when you consider the fact that right now the Red Sox are in a little bit of disarray. There’s only two weeks to go before the big Yankees-Red Sox series and things can change a lot until then, but the Red Sox have not hit well consistently. That’s the difference between the 2008 and 2009 Red Sox. Guys like Dustin Pedroia and Kevin Youkilis had many big hits last season. This season a major problem has been not hitting in the clutch and they readily admit that themselves.”
I had this year in the AL… AL East Boston Central Chicago….West LA and Wild Card Tampa….LA vs Boston for AL Crown and Boston winning it all….I had Yanks 2 games out of wild card….let’s hope I am wrong…
In the West I had Philly and LA and Philly going back to the WS and playing Boston…
Rebecca-I’d love playing villain and trying to spoil the Cubs’ WS hopes!
I’d go Yankees Dodgers. Great story lines. LA vs NY the whole thing.
>The Yankees haven’t traded any prospect in the last 10+ years
>for veteran help that has turned out to be an all star.
They didn’t trade Mike Lowell for veteran help, but what the hell did they trade him for anyway?
Todd Noel
Mark J. Johnson
Ed Yarnall
Holy Toledo! These guys didn’t pan out at all. AT ALL!
I said it before, if the Red Sox are going to make any kind of big splash before Friday they are going to have to empty their vaults to do it.
There’s more competition for the players this year than ever and Theo isn’t going to turn Penny and Smoltz into Halladay and Victor Martinez.
He’s going to have to pay for it and I think what they are probably deciding in Boston as we speak is are they going for it for the next 2 seasons and becoming an old high salaried team or are they keeping their flexibility.
Flexibility is great and all, but it doesn’t win titles.
Knowing when to strike for the right kind of player is key.
Halladay is the right kind of player in my eyes.
I think if it’s between the Sox & Yankees at the end, we’ll get him because Theo will only go so far and Cashman has more depth to replace what he’s trading.
roger(live from amsterdam)
July 28th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Isn’t Garland the best option as a # 5 starter?It doesn’t take much to get him and he’s a groundball pitcher
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Yeah that might be a good move you could get him for nothing. He is an experienced pitcher. Than you move Mitre to the bullpen and have be the longman and send Melancon back down because he shouldn’t be up if they are not going use him and let him rot on the bench.
It will be Yankees-Cubs in WS. Rays showed they are finished. Red Sox are fading. They should be rooting for the Yankees to beat the Rays since they will be in a wild card fight. If Ricciardi ends up giving Halladay to the Yanks without making them take Wells, he is a worse GM than Minaya.
I am in the belief that the Sox will make a major deal come Friday….
“He can’t catch at the ML level right now.
Can he catch 30-40 games next year? Yes.”
I would think it makes more sense for him to catch everyday in AAA. Catching 30-40 games a year isn’t very much. I mean, sure he could still sit with Girardi, Pena, and Posada and learn from them. I just think a prospect’s best chance at learning a new position would be to play it as often as possible.
The Yankees don’t need him next year, why rush him?
Boston or Yankees vs. Dodgers
Torre and Manny going back to Boston
or Torre going back to NY.
Back later…going to a softball game…go Yanks!!!!
Yankees vs. Dodgers would be some series. Think of all the drama.
Yankees vs. Dodgers not only gets the Joe Torre/Manny drama, (Do you recall how sad Torre looked watching Mo during the ASG?), but you also get two coasts and large markets involved
Yankees vs. Dodgers not only gets the Joe Torre/Manny drama, (Do you recall how sad Torre looked watching Mo during the ASG?), but you also get two coasts and large markets involved
Also the Dodgers and the Yanks are traditionally rivals anyway. The Yankees used to play the Dodgers in the Fall Classic all the time. Then the great rivalry was revived in the 70′s.
Not to mention Torre and Manny vs. NY? The country would go bananas.
It will be Yankees-Cubs in WS. Rays showed they are finished. Red Sox are fading. They should be rooting for the Yankees to beat the Rays since they will be in a wild card fight. If Ricciardi ends up giving Halladay to the Yanks without making them take Wells, he is a worse GM than Minaya.
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Don’t rule the Texas Rangers out of the wildcard race. They are ahead of the Rays and only 3 games behind the Red Sox.
Snell is a safety net or backup plan for more depth of possible major-league ready players. I look for Snell to come to NYY tomorrow. (Snell is not the only SP/RP the Yanks will make IMO before trade deadline.)
The Yankees have been devastated in SP injuries in the AAA & AA this year which caused a real deep pitching pool to be light! Nova is an arm that may go in a trade or be brought up to NYY, but a 1st time rookie is risky.
i hope you have the entire urban hymns album because, it is one of the best
I think Yanks Dodgers is what everyone wants to see but how about Cards and Yanks
Yankees/Dodgers would be quite the thing. And for me it’s not just about Torre or Manny, but it’s all the history, too. In the fifties, seventies and eighties didn’t these teams play each other all the time?
Unless he gets dealt as part of a package, catcher Austin Romine’s quickest ticket to the big leagues is to make himself a corner outfielder. Nice to have good catching in the organization.
Girardi better not let Mitre start the first game vs. Boston next week
Yankees v. anyone would make a nosebleed world series (snicker)
The Yankees had Scott Brosius at the time they traded Mike Lowell. There was no room for Lowell in NY.
That’s not something that killed the Yankees.
They got Randy Johnson for Navarro. The Rays are looking to trade Navarro after one, fluke season. They hasn’t hurt the Yankees, especially since Posada and Molina are in place.
They do a great job self-scouting which I why I don’t go into panic mode at the deadline when it comes to their dealing prospects.
Does anyone else find it curious that Aceves wasn’t available last night? Since last Tuesday he appeared only Saturday, when he threw 13 pitches. Seems to me that he normally would have been available.
Perhaps there is something minor wrong here? And maybe that explains why they still are keeping the extra pitcher around.
Arroyo? Garland? Snell?
Way to reach for the stars, Cashman. Why not just bring up Josh Towers?
Dan -
I like Cards and Yanks. Because it would really ONLY be about this particular WS – no real emotion, no back stories, no nostalgia, no MANNY or Torre, no goat.
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I would like the Yankees, if we are lucky enough to see them get there, to face the Cardinals in the WS. The least sexy of all the choices!!!!
Yanks/Cards would be an even bigger mismatch than Boston/Cards in 04
“I think Yanks Dodgers is what everyone wants to see but how about Cards and Yanks”
I’d enjoy that. A-Rod vs Pujols. Who will perform better when it counts?
“A-Rod vs Pujols. Who will perform better when it counts?”
LMAO. Is that a serious question?
Largo: Girardi said that yesterday Hughes, Coke, aceves and Bruney were not available.
I don’t think this is anything to do with aceves himself as it was trying to get those four a break.
Montero’s bat is major league quality already. If he is on the roster, its because his bat would be deemed ready for 250-350 AB’s.
“Developing a catcher is different than other positions.
The Yankees had Joe Girardi caddy Posada when they were developing Jorge. Jorge was on the roster because of his bat. Same as it would be for Montero.
A bat like Montero comes along once every 6-10 years. When it does, those guys find their way onto major league rosters very, very quickly.
At this point, I just want us to get to the World Series. I don’t really care who we play as long as we are there to play them. We could play San Diego or PIT and I’d still be thrilled. I’d also be in shock that those teams made it. LOL!
Yanks Dodgers gets my vote!
Rebecca –
I understand that – but what I find curious is that Aceves only appeared once since last Tuesday, and threw 13 pitches. In the past he has gone back to back days with a heavier workload than that.
As I said, it was just odd to me.
SJ44
July 28th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
The Yankees had Scott Brosius at the time they traded Mike Lowell. There was no room for Lowell in NY.
Plus Lowell was recovering from Cancer if I remember correctly.
Anybody else hear the Halladay to Sawks rumors? I nearly cried, please let this not happen. Bribe Ricciardi if we have to
Laura
July 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
The White Sox picked up Mark Kotsay from BOS for Brian Anderson.
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So in effect, Mark Kotsay went from the Socks to the Sox and Brian Anderson went from the Sox to the Socks.
It’s a good thing we had a blowout yesterday.
“Chien-Ming Wang is still waiting to see Dr. Andrews. No update yet.”
Doesn’t it make you feel good to know that it’s not just us regular joes who are forced to waste away our days sitting in doctor waiting rooms?
imo cashman does not wan’t to increase payroll or lose montero,joba,hughes & maybe ajax but he knows we are right there on the edge of winning a ws.
i have no problem trading ajax or motero but if we trade joba for halladay i don’t thing we get much better & we trade pitcher for pitcher & add no debth plus we would still need a pitcher.
the jays wan’t joba & or hughes who are doing very well in the majors & the red sox offer all minor leaguers who have not established themselves in the majors at all.
we are much better getting a bannister/washburn while keeping hughes,joba,montero.
wfan saying the rs have the best farm system in the world.
not.
AAArgh! I forgot about the ARod/Pujols angle!!! No, I don’t want Yanks vs. Cards, either!!!
How about Yankees vs. Phillies?
Or vs. the Giants?
Man I don’t want to give Buck and McCarver or the ESPN guys either the opportunity to overtalk ARod/Pujols, I realy could NOT stand it!!!!!!!
Anybody else hear the Halladay to Sawks rumors? I nearly cried, please let this not happen. Bribe Ricciardi if we have to
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Have you been reading this blog?
Arroyo? Garland? Snell?
Way to reach for the stars, Cashman. Why not just bring up Josh Towers?
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Can’t bring up Josh Towers…he and Igawa are the only two starting pitchers available there. They are shorthanded in scranton. In Milwaulkee they used to say, “Spahn and Sain nad pray for rain”…In Scranton its, “Igawa and Towers and pray for showers”.
Al,
Rumors are meaningless. Only completed deals matter.
Everything else is just BS to pass the time unitl the deadline.
Pujols 2004 postseason – .414 avg., 6 HRs, 14 RBIs (58 ABs)
Pujols 2005 postseason – .375, 2 HRs, 8 RBIs (32 ABs)
Pujols 2006 postseason – .288, 3 HRs, 8 RBIs (52 ABs)
He has been to 2 WS, won one. Has more walks than strikeouts in his postseason career.
If A-Rod has a good playoffs up to the WS the A-Rod vs. Pujols angle will be softened a bit.
“If A-Rod has a good playoffs up to the WS the A-Rod vs. Pujols angle will be softened a bit.”
No it won’t. The world will never let up on Alex in regards to the postseason. I don’t think him winning a ring will stop the critics from pounding on him.
Yahoo’s Gordon Edes says Daniel Bard and Casey Kelly “have been declared off-limits by the Red Sox.”
Wait till -
No, the angle won’t be about playoff numbers. it will be the “clean” Pujols versus the “dirty” ARod. It will be unbearable.
Laura-I didn’t say it would end, I said softened. I’ve read comments from Sox fans who think Mo’s postseason stats are “overrated” because of 01′ and 04′.
Seriously? Now come on.
Doreen-Good point.
I’m not even satisfied that Pujols is pure right now.
I think the various clubs put out a lot of the rumors in order to see the reaction and to try and get others to over bid.
I can’t see sweating any of it, its not like we have any say in the deals that happen anyway.
It’s pretty easy to scout your own when Linn Garrett has been doing the picking. The Yanks finally have elite prospects again and that’s why Cash is protecting them like he has.
Jerkface- I haven’t been on all day. Just panicked when I read that on MLBTR. The Sawks with Halladay pretty much have punched their ticket to the WS, same with us. This deadline needs to pass or Doc needs to go to the NL I can’t stand the idea of Halladay on the Sawks.
Come on guys, we’re all smarter than to say “they’ve punched their tickets to the WS” no matter what the trade. Anything can happen in the playoffs.
“I’m not even satisfied that Pujols is pure right now.”
Unfortunately, that is the world we live in. No one is clean until they can prove it.
“Yahoo’s Gordon Edes says Daniel Bard and Casey Kelly “have been declared off-limits by the Red Sox.”
I dont see how the red sox could get an impact player like Victor Martinez or Adrian Gonzalez without giving up Bard. I hope these GM’s are not that dumb.
Al from BK: I wouldn’t sweat Halladay to the Sox. They still need an offense. They might not even catch us for the division even with Halladay. The Rays knock him around and we can beat him at yankee stadium.
I wouldnt go saying stuff like ‘they punched their ticket’. Beckett and Lester could have disappointing postseasons ala 08.
Also there is no way the Sox get Halladay.
Laura-I’m not accusing him or saying he’s not pure, just that I can’t be convinced either way at this point.
If you’d like to remind yourself of the insanity of the rumor mill from a year ago, read MLB Trade Rumors, July 2008. Here is the link:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/index.html
LOL! I love this off limits crap. The truth is these teams will do whatever it takes to win if the other guy is in on the deal. Santana went to the Mets because the RSox & Yanks didn’t blink. Halladay will go to Phillies/LAD/SFG unless the Yanks or RSox blink or decide it is in their best long-term interest. Yanks need a OF & SP. RSox need a corner C, INF & a SP. Toronto has both needs & so does Cleveland. If Yanks blink so will RSox & Cleveland & Toronto will be happy. If not, then IMO Cleveland doesn’t make a trade & Toronto does to NL. Indians could be very good next year with Carmona vastly improving in AAA and looking like the SP of a couple years ago.
Don’t you just love trading deadlline week?
SJ44- I thought prospects were suspect? Why are you so high on Montero?
Are you really discussing the WS with a 2.5 game lead in July?
Are any of you the same people who freak out when Kay talks about no hitters in the 7th inning and jinxes?
3:59pm: Dan Roche, an anchor for WBZTV, hears that the Red Sox did not offer Buchholz, Bowden and Westmoreland for Halladay.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
pat -
It was a poll – sexiest WS matchup.
I, for one, am not jumping the gun. There’s a lot of season left to play. But I do want the Yankees there in the end, of course!
But not taking anything for granted at all.
i can’t sift thru these rumors.
work is over. my car is going isn’t fixed yet. i hope it isn’t raining during my bike ride home.
go yankeees!!!
Let’s get into the playoffs first, please.
SJ – every 6-10 years? Is Montero that special? Tried to catch him in the Futures Game but missed it.
Halladay, Beckett, Lester. That 1-2-3 is pretty much call the season. Beckett in October is automatic, Halladay is God-like all the time and Lester won game 7 a few years ago.
I don’t want Halladay if the cost is Chamberlain or Hughes.
I’m not particularly worried about it, because I’m pretty confident the Yanks wouldn’t do that deal either, for many reasons.
I’m not worried about Halladay going to the Sox either, despite the rumors. I haven’t seen one that makes sense to me, and I don’t see the Sox trading all their prospects to get Halladay. That’s not the way the have done things.
just remove ‘is going’ from the above post, and have a nice day
Until about two weeks ago it was rumored that the Braves would be willing to trade Javier Vasquez. I haven’t heard much since, and the Braves have gotten on little hot streak which now puts them 3 games out of the wild card. However the issue is that they have excess pitching. Hudson could be back in a couple weeks, Jurrjens keeps getting better, Hanson has been amazing, and they have other electric arms just waiting. I’m not sure what it would take to get Vasquez, who has pitched well this year (in the NL), but I do believe he can be had at a decent price.
The Braves do need/want a reliever, but a decent bat and a nice prospect would have to be included.
Vasquez is a better pitcher now than he was when we had him and he is signed through 2010.
Okay, new idea: LEAST sexiest WS involving contending teams (let’s say within 6 games of a playoff spot).
I say Milwaukee-Minnesota. Or maybe Colorado-Minnesota.
Repeat after me:
The Red Sox are not getting Halladay – NFW
He goes to the Phillies – or stays put.
Next.
Al from BK:
People thought Maddox, Smoltz and Glavine were unbeatable, too.
They won a grand total of one WS and never beat the Yankees.
“They got Randy Johnson for Navarro. The Rays are looking to trade Navarro after one, fluke season. They hasn’t hurt the Yankees, especially since Posada and Molina are in place.”
More to your point, they didn’t trade Wang or Cano at that time.
I’ve read comments from Sox fans who think Mo’s postseason stats are “overrated” because of 01? and 04?.
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Sounds more like Mussina quoted in Torre’s book…
Al from BK-Come on you’re smarter than that. This is baseball, anything can happen, nobody is guranteed anything. What if Halladay and Lester lay eggs? They can lose in the first round. Anything can happen in the playoffs. Or what if there are injuries?
RT @KenDavidoff Jeff Wilpon is apologizing to Adam Rubin on behalf of the Mets.
RT @ed_price #Mets COO Jeff Wilpon: “Omar’s our general manager. Omar’s going to be our general manager. … He didn’t do the right thing.”
Omar is really, really screwed here.
Uncle Ellsworth
Still around? We rented a cabin in a campground years ago north of DC that was called Cherry Hill Campgrounds. It was in the Laurel/College Park MD area.
I would guess about 10 miles from Fed Ex but that’s just a guess.
Stultus Magnus-No it doesn’t. Moose never said that. He said that if Mo had been as lights out as in the 90′s they might have several more WS titles. The word “overrated was never used or implied.
I have an issue with what Moose said because it’s a team game, but let’s be fair. He never said Mo’s postseason stats were overrated.
If Omar isn’t tossed after this you can say with certainty:
“Now playing the role of Jim Dolan — Jeff Wilpon”
The 90s Braves didn’t have a killer lineup and bullpen like Boston had
Didn’t Chipper say (or someone tell Chipper) that if his Braves teams had MO, they would have won 3 or 4 more WS?
“Halladay, Beckett, Lester. That 1-2-3 is pretty much call the season. Beckett in October is automatic, Halladay is God-like all the time and Lester won game 7 a few years ago.”
go take a couple xanax and have a drink…wait dont have the drink that wouldnt work well…do one of the 2 things separately and relax…your sounding too much like a sox fan even though you hate them
Becca- Great point, maybe that was my age showing I was a kid when the Yanks won those titles. But yes they did get to the holy trinity that was Maddux/Smoltz/Glavine.
Guys, stop trying to impose your will on the conversation. We understand many of you don’t think a trade for Halladay is going on within the division. We get it. But a lot of us do think it’s possile and ant to discuss. So top with the comments like “This is ridiculous” or “it’s never going to happen”. You think that, we get it, but we don’t have to.
Wilpon appologizing FOR Minaya is like Torre appologizing after A-Rod had the “HA” incident.
Dave-The Red Sox lineup is not good.
“RT @ed_price #Mets COO Jeff Wilpon: “Omar’s our general manager. Omar’s going to be our general manager. … He didn’t do the right thing.””
Is this the same man that told Willie Randolph that he was going to be the Mets manager and then fired him 3 o’clock in the morning?
Ahhh, screw all these trade rumors…
It’s time to play “Plaque, Monument, or Neither”
Your candidates are:
Mo, Jeter, Posada , Petitte, Bernie, O’Neil, Torre
write-ins? Montero? (kidding)
Doreen
I just skimmed comments instead of reading them and saw all this WS talk. Guess that will teach me.
I’d love them to be there too but I’m taking it one day at a time.
Laura: Minaya was the one that fired Willie.
Even so, Minaya is cooked.
Killer lineup? Boston?
Um, no.
In fact, it’s only the third best lineup in the AL East.
Boston can save all their Gammons prized prospects by signing Barry Bonds.
Pat,
In regards to your questions towards SJ44 about prospects. I think a couple of us have cleared this up.
Prospects are just that, prospects. We do not know what they will do. But every once and a while you have that prospect where you just KNOW that they are going to do a certain thing.
You KNEW Josh Beckett would be a star. You KNEW Joe Mauer would hit. Just like you KNOW that Jesus Montero will hit. There are just some “prospects” who are only “prospects” in the sense of the word that, they have not played in the Major Leagues yet. Those guys aren’t prospects because they need to develop but because they havent played MLB ball yet.
Or so I think. That may be what SJ was trying to say.
This is such an interesting article and issue suprising it came out but I guess Dice K is proud and felt necessary to share with his Japanese media friends
http://www.weei.com/sports/bos.....ind-middle
pat
July 28th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Uncle Ellsworth
Still around? We rented a cabin in a campground years ago north of DC that was called Cherry Hill Campgrounds. It was in the Laurel/College Park MD area.
I would guess about 10 miles from Fed Ex but that’s just a guess.
Thanks Pat! I’ll check it out.
How about statues of all of them in the plaza in front of the Stadium?
“Mo, Jeter, Posada , Petitte, Bernie, O’Neil, Torre”
Mo and Jeter for Plaques, Jeter for a monument. Not sure about any of the others.
People forget how good Beckett is in October. He is NOT the mediocre pitcher he is in the regular season
Lester, though its a SSS, has been great in the postseason as well.
The story with the Sox is this… in a 162 game season, they can be exposed. Shaky back end of the rotation, inconsistent lineup. However, in a short series, they are positioned very well.
“July 28th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
This is such an interesting article and issue suprising it came out but I guess Dice K is proud and felt necessary to share with his Japanese media friends
http://www.weei.com/sports/bos.....ind-middle”
Terry Francona was quoted after that came out and was noticeably upset Dice K went public.
Mo-Deserves monument, will get plaque.
Jeter-Also deserves Monument (slightly less than Mo), will get plaque.
Posada-I say plaque
Pettite-Neither, unless he manages to play long enough to reach 300 wins. Possible but doubtful. Then plaque.
Bernie-Neither.
Paulie-Neither.
Torre-Plaque. They have to, after all he’s given the franchise.
If the Red Sox are so dominant in the postseason why didn’t they win four WS titles in five years?
Every time the Mets hold a press conference – they should have the ‘Benny Hill’ theme music playing in background.
Sox lineup didn’t look so bad when they faced us.
In 8 games, none of our starters recorded a quality start (Andy gave up 4 runs, not sure if one of them was unearned, but the point still stands).
Doc Halladay, Is a difference maker….Plain & simple….
gayle -
I heard about Dice-K blaming the Red Sox for his travails earlier today on the radio. Very interesting, no?
Joe,
Exactly. There are some guys you know will play, and play well, in the majors.
There are others you THINK have a shot but aren’t sure.
Jesus Montero, if he stays healthy, will be an above average ML power hitter.
Can he catch? Will he hit for average? Those are questions.
However, as a power bat, he’s going to be a power hitter in the majors.
If you trade him, you have to make sure you get somebody back who is great. Not a good player, a great player.
If you don’t, you short yourself.
Yank 82-What’s your point? That doesn’t change the facts.
Pat M-Not true. Nothing is plain and simple in baseball. In the playoffs, anything can happen.
We know Montero can hit.
We don’t know if Montero can catch.
The question is, will the Yanks be willing to lose his hitting waiting to see if Montero can catch. He isn’t going to learn to be an everyday catcher catching occasionally in NY. Posada was ahead of Montero catching-wise in ’96.
My guess is, the Yanks won’t be willing to lose his hitting, and Montero ends up an occasional catcher and a full time DH or corner OF.
Wait… I agree Pettitte has to do more.
Bernie I put on a par w/Mattingly (who has a plaque)
Paulie is interesting – a lot of setimental value (along with results). Interesting how #21 hasn’t been worn since he retired.
Joba is expendable for Doc.
Montero isin’t.
Hughes MIGHT be.
“UPDATE, 5:41 p.m.: Alfredo Aceves is down again today. It was decided to give him three days off because he was “tired” according to Girardi. The manager claimed nothing was physically wrong with Aceves. But it’s certainly something that bears watching.”
That IS concerning.
Aardvark
July 28th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
People forget how good Beckett is in October. He is NOT the mediocre pitcher he is in the regular season
Lester, though its a SSS, has been great in the postseason as well.
The story with the Sox is this… in a 162 game season, they can be exposed. Shaky back end of the rotation, inconsistent lineup. However, in a short series, they are positioned very well.
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Beckett was very good in ’03, off the charts in ’07 and sucked last year. Apparently he had a back injury but he could do the same thing again this year, injury or not. Lester sucked against the Rays last year, got knocked around a little by the Indians in ’07 as well and his big win in ’07 was 5 1/3 in the 4th game against a Rockies team that had already packed their suitcases and were ready to go home so I don’t see how he is a sure thing in the playoffs.
Montero as a DH significantly lessens his value
Do we really want our version of Adam Lind?
Are you kidding me?????? After all the Yankees have done for him, Kei Igawa goes and complains to the media after having a secret meeting with Girardi???? And Girardi actually had Igawa write down everything he was frustrated about so that they could understand because there’s the possibility of a cultural difference??? What is up with that! Here I was thinking that all was copasetic with the Yankees and I hear this. Then add to it the Yankees go out and trade for a career .225 hitter? This is all very upsetting. I don’t understand this cultural crap stuff since there have been a lot of players from Japan and I never remember hearing that sorry-butted excuse! You’d never hear someone like Dice-K pull that stuff. Why didn’t Cashman bid higher for the guy?
What? It wasn’t Igawa? And we didn’t trade for someone named Anderson?
Wow, I have to check my sources better. Sorry about that.
Its a 162 game season. The Yankees are a better team than the last time they played the Red Sox.
If you are going to hang your hat on those 8 games and thos e 8 games alone, why bother watching the games? Just watch the 18 they play the Red Sox.
Bottom line is, the Yankees are in first place right now. Its not a fluke. They have had the best record in the majors since ARod came back. They have to be doing something right.
Unless the Red Sox get pitching help, they aren’t well positioned for the post-season.
Wakefield’s back is still hurting, Smoltz and Penny aren’t good, Buchholz is more hype that production and their lineup hasn’t been good for awhile now.
Theo knows he needs more and that’s why he is trying to make deals.
vtred-Joba is certainly more valuable right now than Montero. He is as valuable, if not more so, than Hughes.
The news on Ace is concerning. He shouldn’t need this much rest.
L to the 2nd July 28th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
If Omar isn’t tossed after this you can say with certainty:
“Now playing the role of Jim Dolan — Jeff Wilpon”
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I doubt Omar will be fired. But I’d love it if he were, and I think he’d deserve it. He’s made bone-headed moves before this fiasco in Flushing, enough to warrant his dismissal. Then this comes along. Rubin might have crossed a line at one point but the way Omar handled it made the Mets look pathetic.
He’s under contract until 2012 though and losing the GM now would be too much.
If Omar is going out, he needs to go out in style…by breaking up the core.
I predict that Melancon gets into tonight’s game unless it is too dangerously close for that to happen. And no jokes necessary. I mean close, as in a run or three.
Jeff Wilpon looks like some famous cartoon character. I can’t pin who exactly though
Posada was what, 24 or 25 when he first came up? And was a converted 2B? So there stands a decent chance Montero will be ahead of him by ’10 or ’11 (defensively)
Interesting how #21 hasn’t been worn since he retired.
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Hawkins had it for a bit before he was vilified by insane, rabid fans.
Paulie is interesting – a lot of setimental value (along with results). Interesting how #21 hasn’t been worn since he retired.
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Hawkins wore it and got ripped a new one for wearing it
Now you know why they are carrying 13 pitchers right now.
You have to have a deep bullpen because these kind of things come up at this time of the season.
Being able to have the luxury of giving Ace 3 days off is a positive.
“The story with the Sox is this… in a 162 game season, they can be exposed. Shaky back end of the rotation, inconsistent lineup. However, in a short series, they are positioned very well.”
Uh, nah.
The point is that the Boston lineup kills our pitching
Ortiz hit a moonshot off Burnett. Bay looks like Babe Ruth. Lowell looks like he did 3 years ago. Ellsbury looks like Ricky Henderson. Pedroia/Youkallis hit like .400 against us. Even Varitek hit a grand slam off Burnett.
seriously, guys, what do you make of the Aceves news?
I mean, it’s a good thing that everyone else besides Robertson and Albaladejo should be available tonight and with CC going the Yanks shouldn’t need too many, but Aceves is a huge part of the bullpen.
Girardi burned out Aceves? Shocking!
Looks like Cash needs to whip out the “Hughes” rules for him now.
SJ,
Ok good. I wasn’t sure if I was totally catching your drift. But I’m glad that I did haha.
Can’t wait for the game tonight, this team has made me more excited that I have been with baseball in a while.
Mo, Plaque then Mon
Jeter, Plaque then Mon (Monuments are for after they go to “Iowa in the sky”)
Posada , Plaque esp if they win another
Petitte, Neither
Bernie, Plaque
O’Neil, Neither
Torre Neither (now)
Aceves missing time hurts, we NEED him. The pen is clicking on all cylinders!
“Paulie is interesting – a lot of setimental value (along with results). Interesting how #21 hasn’t been worn since he retired.
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Hawkins wore it and got ripped a new one for wearing it”
I wrote a blog post about how fans that did that were idiots, and I got an email from Hawkin’s PR person.
It was pretty awesome
it’s not surprising that Aceves needs some time off, he’s been a starting pitcher his entire career and never had to pitch on a inconsistent basis before. There is lots of wear and tear in the bullpen because of all the times you get to warm up and not get into games and he is still making the transition. I’m sure he’ll be OK and it’s good that Girardi is mindful of the need to keep him strong down the stretch. The same thing may also happen with Hughes between now and the end of the season, I guess it’s the relief pitcher’s equivalent of the ‘dead arm’ they get during the spring.
Everyone is expendable for Halladay in my opinion. Look at the Santana ordeal…they didn’t want to do it because they didnt want to part with Hughes AND Kennedy…..wheres Ian now?
Trisha – funny, but you gotta admit Cashman flushed $40m down the bowl with Igawa.
Not one of his better moments – “we’ll just get our OWN Japanese dude”
Aceves has only pitched 3.1 innings since the All Star break.
Something is not right.
This is why people shouldn’t have jumped the gun and called Aceves “Mendoza”
Mendoza never got “tired”. He was a bulldog who could throw 100 innings a year, 6 days in a row, start, relieve etc.
Aceves has yet to prove he can be that durable. He just had 12 days off for the ASB and he’s still tired.
Yank 82-And…?
8 games. We’ll play more. And who knows? If we both make the playoff we may not have to face them anyway.
I think we need another BP arm; we really don’t have as much depth as it seems.
Bruney has been bad, save one big strikeout on a badly located fastball. Robertson has been in a bad slump lately and has done bad in tight spots. Albie has been bad. Melancon has been bad.
Leaving us w/Mo, Coke Ace, and Hughes. That’s very good, but I’d like more dpth.
And no, I’m not giving up on Robertson and Melancon, just pointing out that they haven’t performed well lately.
It killed Yankee pitching two months ago when they were hitting. A LOT of things have changed in the last two months, in case you haven’t been watching.
Rebecca,
I take it for what it is, he’s got a tired arm. It happens during the course of the season and once he gets rest he should be fine as long as he isn’t injured.
All pitchers, even Mo, go through tired arm stages during the year. Its a lot of wear and tear on all pitchers during the course of the year.
Its why Cash is trying to add more pitching because you can never have enough of it.
Just promote Austin Jackson and let him play 3 or 4 games a week. Damon is no spring chicken so we that extra CF / LF right now.
Corey-Where’s Hughes now?
I’m going to be sick – I just heard that the Sox made an offer to the Jays for Halladay (Bucholz, Bowden and someone else). If the Jays take that, then wow – because JP demanded Hughes and Joba from the Yankees. Unbelievable – the Yankees can not let the Sox get Doc. They have got to make an offer that is comparable to that package – if tihe Sox get Doc, that’s a killer for several years.
Ugh on Aceves – Not that I wanted him there, but forget him for the rotation. He’s tired? Sounds like we can’t expect him to be that good for the rest of the season……I’m concerned.
“Ortiz hit a moonshot off Burnett. Bay looks like Babe Ruth. Lowell looks like he did 3 years ago. Ellsbury looks like Ricky Henderson. Pedroia/Youkallis hit like .400 against us. Even Varitek hit a grand slam off Burnett.”
That was then, this is now.
Rebecca, he has only pitched in relief 5 times in the minors before joining the Yankees, if he is hurting it doesn’t have to be career threatening…
>Girardi burned out Aceves? Shocking!
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>Looks like Cash needs to whip out the “Hughes” rules for him now.
Corey
July 28th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Everyone is expendable for Halladay in my opinion. Look at the Santana ordeal…they didn’t want to do it because they didnt want to part with Hughes AND Kennedy…..wheres Ian now?
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The other question is where is Santana now? If the Yankees trade away all their organizational depth, they may have the same problem that the Mets have…..injuries and no one to replace them……this is one of the reasons the Yanks didn’t make the playoffs last year……..
can we not overreact about aceves…as far as we know hes a tad tired and they are just playing it safe…hes not heading to dr james andrews yet
Mendoza wasn’t a “bulldog”. Torre gave him time off all the time because of his shoulder. Eventually, the shoulder blew out.
Remember, Aceves started prior to the ASB and then worked games right out of the break.
Giving him a few days off, as long as he isn’t hurt, isn’t a big deal.
When you are in first place, and have depth in the bullpen, its a luxury you can afford at this time.
Betsy, you were perhaps thinking of this?:
3:59pm: Dan Roche, an anchor for WBZTV, hears that the Red Sox did not offer Buchholz, Bowden and Westmoreland for Halladay.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
SJ: I hope you’re right. You probably are right. I’ve been known to overreact.
“pjgillam DNL is reporting that Jim Johnson has passed away.”
Thoughts and prayers with members of the Eagles family.
Where’s Hughes now? In the 8th inning doing his thing, but will never be stretched out enough this year to be a starter and has yet to prove he can run in the rotation for a full season yet. If they did that trade you’d have Santana in the rotation and Joba in hughes spot….
How is Aceves tired look at his game long he hasn’t thrown much recently?
JUL 09 @MIN 65 pitches
JUL 18 DET 14 pitches
JUL 20 BAL 11 pitches
JUL 21 BAL 12 pitches
JUL 25 OAK 13 pitches
Boston’s “package” is better than the Phillies package without Drebek
If JP wants the best offer, he will take Boston’s.
C’mon, why would you take JA Happ over Buchholz?
Betsy,
Why get sick over rumors? Anybody can make any offer they want for a player. If its not accepted, which that wasn’t, what’s the big deal.
Worry when deals are done and not when you read rumors.
Maybe Aceves is better suited to start… less of a physical toll.
“C’mon, why would you take JA Happ over Buchholz?”
Because Happ has had far more sucess at the ML level, perhaps?
“Damaso Marte will throw two innings tonight for Scranton. Then he could get two days off before going back-to-back days. In other words, you won’t be seeing him back in the big leagues any time soon.”
Doesn’t he only have a couple of weeks left in his rehab window?
Philadelphia’s also not an AL East team. Their package doesn’t have to be as good as Boston’s.
another possibility, of course, is that the Yankees are working on a trade for a top starter and Aceves will be part of the package in exchange…
I was just bringing up the fact that a Santana deal would have been a steal for NY considering Ian Kennedy is never going to be a big league pitcher.
If you can get Halladay for only one of Joba & Hughes you do it in my opinion. I wouldnt move both though obviously. Halladay has atleast another good 5 years in him pending no injuries
The Phillies will give up Drabek by Friday. They can’t expect to get one of the top 3 starting pitchers in baseball for roster filler.
They’re playing a cat and mouse game right now and the Jays are using these Red Sox offers that keep leaking to get the Phillies to pony up and be done with it.
If the Red Sox are in it, then I guarantee you we are in it and we’ll get him unless Theo trades everyone on his top prospect sheet for one player which he won’t do.
“Largo July 28th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Does anyone else find it curious that Aceves wasn’t available last night? Since last Tuesday he appeared only Saturday, when he threw 13 pitches. Seems to me that he normally would have been available.
Perhaps there is something minor wrong here? And maybe that explains why they still are keeping the extra pitcher around.”
Hey, I got one right.
Wish I hadn’t, though.
Let’s hope for the few days/tired arm thing and no more.
Hi Bets. I might be in the minority here but for the record I don’t particularly care what the Sox do. I don’t the Yankees do anything just to prevent the Sox from getting Halladay – not that I think they are getting him, but I of course couldn’t know that for sure.
My opinion is just that but I felt the Yankees had the goods from day one. Even though we are without CM that opinion hasn’t changed. I am dead set against panic moves and I can only hope the Yankees are also. I love our team as configured and I love our farm system. But then again, I didn’t want Doc – not that I don’t think he’s great because I do. I just didn’t think we needed a short-term rental at the price it would take.
I’m betting Doc goes to the Phils if anywhere. But again, no matter where he goes, I still believe the Yankees have what it takes to prevail.
JMO
I don’t even think the Sox offer is that great, but if they like Bucholz, that would cinch it as the Yankees are not going to trade Hughes or Joba. Ugh……..
Corey-For one of Joba/Hughes, yes. But they want both.
Anyway, I’m gald they didn’t make the Santana deal because we have Hughes. Not to mention it’s no sure thing that Kennedy will never be a big league pitcher.
The Phillies don’t need Halladay.
They have a huge division lead and they are going to be in the playoffs. The rotation they have now is basically the same one they had last year. Happ is pitching better than Myers did. Blanton is pitching better this year than last.
They don’t need to panic. JP has no other options. Let him come to them.
“Worry when deals are done and not when you read rumors.”
SJ I totally bow to you.
Betsy-If you read my post where I use mlbtradrumors, you’d notice that it says it was just a rumor. The Sox never made that offer.
G Love, the Yankees aren’t willing to give up Joba or Hughes – that’s the difference between them and the Sox.
relax about aceves…
tired arms happen all the time..
happ is 7 and 1 this year, bucholtz is potential…
also starting is obviously much harder on you then starting.. cc sabathia at 230 innings is obviously more difficult on your body then Mo at 80 innings, is that hard to comprehend?
man people on this site are chicken little… for todays game they have avaialble, hughes, coke, bruney, and others that is not exactly a depleted staff.
let it rest…..
We don’t need to give up Hughes/Joba/Montero
McAllister, Jackson, Romine, Melancon is good enough
McAllister is maybe slightly below Drebek/Buchholtz. Jackson is better than any secondary player that is being offered. Romine is better than Westmore and as good as Marson. Melancon is probably better than any 4th player offered.
Betsy July 28th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
G Love, the Yankees aren’t willing to give up Joba or Hughes – that’s the difference between them and the Sox.
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The Sox have no interest in trading Buchholz, either. They’ve refused to deal him time and time again.
I’m not a fan of buying into all of the “trade week hype” (it essentially is like being a weather forecaster – there is an inherant error factor that is acceptable). However, just know that it’s almost as important for the Yankees and Red Sox to make sure that “the other guy” doesn’t get Halladay as it is to try to get him themselves.
Two or three complimentary pieces will be just as valuable.
I’m still predicting a Pirates’ purge and 1B bats (Miranda/Duncan) and middlin’ arms going to Pittsburgh in exchange for arms (Snell/Grabow/Capps combo).
I still think we can beat the Sawks if they get Doc. It is just going to be VERY, VERY hard.
Why can’t Happ be like Mark Burhlee?
You don’t need to throw 100 MPH to be effective.
“McAllister, Jackson, Romine, Melancon is good enough”
I’d do it. Ajax hurts but we get to keep Montero/Joba/Hughes, especially if it keeps Doc off the Sawks.
Maybe Girardi will start using Melancon since Aceves is tired.
Wait, Gorden Edes is a respectable source – he used to cover the Sox for the Boston Globe. I believe it 100%……also, I didn’t read your post as I’ve just gotten home and I’m catching up
Wait, Gorden Edes is a respectable source – he used to cover the Sox for the Boston Globe. I believe it 100%……also, I didn’t read your post as I’ve just gotten home and I’m catching up
Starting a petition to bring up Shelly. One Vote.
Halladay is probably going to be cheaper than V-Mart or Gonzo.
From the Sox standpoint, if you can’t get a bat, fortify your strength. Go for a Beckett-Halladay-Lester rotation in October. How many runs do you need when you have those 3?
Betsy-I don’t believe it. It’s a bad deal. And now it’s been shot down too?
It didn’t happen.
“Sources from both the Red Sox and Blue Jays tonight denied to the Globe that Boston had offered pitchers Clay Buchholz and Michael Bowden and outfielder Ryan Westmoreland to Toronto for ace Roy Halladay, which had been reported this afternoon by Yahoo! Sports’s Gordon Edes.”
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....sox_2.html
Francona expresses disappointment.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....tra_bases/
no doubt Montero can hit but can be good enough defensively to be a catcher in the big leagues, it will take time & the only place where he can learn to catch is in the minors,as of right now he’s not even close.
Maybe Theo used Edes to scare Cashman into giving up Hughes or Joba.
Rumors should not be taken at face value.
This is a nosebleed line-up.
4:33pm: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports hear that the Rays may be shying away from a blockbuster deal. They’re 5.0 games behind Boston in the Wild Card race, so their next two games against the Yankees could determine the team’s direction.
If the Rays are discouraged after the Yankees series, they could make Dan Wheeler, Chad Bradford, Grant Balfour, Joe Nelson and Lance Cormier available, according to the FOX Sports source.
“Halladay is probably going to be cheaper than V-Mart or Gonzo.
From the Sox standpoint, if you can’t get a bat, fortify your strength. Go for a Beckett-Halladay-Lester rotation in October. How many runs do you need when you have those 3?”
Yeah but the deal proposed supposedly sounds like highway robbery for the sux. Buchholz as the centerpiece?! They wanted Hughes AND Joba as the starting point from the Yankees. No way they take a weak deal from a division rival.
Shelley Duncan, much as I lke the guy, adds nothing to the team. He can’t run and he can’t play defense. It’s not Gardner’s bat so much as it is the other things he does that need to be replaced.
Corey, Had Ian not been stricken with his unusual illness, he’d be pitching in the Bronz right now…In fact He would have had about 3-4 starts already……Get a clue
Thank you Gary.
The deal was never offered. It was bull.
Is MLBtraderumors the best website ever created?
7 UP:
Eh, Baseball Reference for me.
wow, big surprise Kay would trade Hughes…
“I still think we can beat the Sawks if they get Doc”
Me too.
Cashman really needs to make some friends in the media, that way they can do our bidding for us and overrate and hype our prospects for potential deals like the media does with Boston.
“Trisha – funny, but you gotta admit Cashman flushed $40m down the bowl with Igawa.”
Well I guess I look at that two ways. One, thankfully the Yankees have the cash to flush – not that they wanted to of course. And two, Igawa has been very good for Scranton. So all is not lost.
Forget the Sox
Worry about what our rotation is going to look like down the stretch and in the postseason. After CC/AJ, we have nothing. Andy isin’t a #3 starter. Mitre cannot start a postseason game.
Let’s fix our own problems before worrying about the Sox. Get a starter in here.
Al from BK
July 28th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
“McAllister, Jackson, Romine, Melancon is good enough”
Not enough. Yanks would have to take Rios or Wells too & add Pena & someone like Coke who has a high upside as a RP or SP.
Manson, there are a lot of teams that would pay dear to have our back end of the rotation.
We are one game behind for the best record in all of baseball.
Pettitte, Joba and Mitre are doing something right.
Bad news on Aceves. Too much of the bull pen load is falling on a small subset of the pen.
You can say that Girardi has no option but that doesn’t change the fact that there’s only so much wear a human arm can take.
Remember – Coke, Aceves, and Hughes were all primarily starters up to this year.
Now they’re being asked to do something entirely different and how to pace yourself isn’t something they have experience doing.
This is why I wasn’t happy with Hughes’s last appearance where he thre 40 pitches. Yes the yankees won the game. But Hughes was visibly gassed out on the mound once he hit pitch 30 or so. Despite that he was still in the game and throwing 95+.
But it wasn’t the kind of easy velocity he’d been throwing with earlier in the game. He was throwing with much more effort to produce the same velocity.
The fact is that Hughes, like Aceves and Coke, don’t have experience working in this way. How much does he keep trying to throw max effort while his arm is tiring? How much discomfort is too much? How much do you try to throw through?
These aren’t questions they have experience answering.
Our offense is going to decide how far we go in October.
If Beckett performs his usual October mastery and one-hits us, it doesn’t matter how AJ pitches.
Buchholz as the centerpiece for a blockbuster deal for any high impact player is a joke. These journalists are sniffing glue if they ever imply that there is an actual conversation surrounding such a proposal.
The Sox, whether they’re willing to part with him or not, can’t possibly add a marquee player by making him the centerpiece of the deal, especially if they’re trying to acquire a player the Yankees also value.
Essentially, what I’m saying is, if we really want a player as much as they do or if we bid for the same player, our offer will blow their’s out of the water because we have 3 different centerpieces worth more than Clay Buchholz.
Rebecca – Soon, it’s not going to be Joba anymore when he reaches his innings. That’s where the problem arises.
This is rhetorical but why oh why do people continually fall into the trap of flipping out over trade rumors?
The Yankees are in control of the Yankees. If a trade happens elsewhere, it does. The world doesn’t end, your best friend is still your best friend, and the Yankees are still the team you root for. So why oh why can’t people just chill and let life happen without going crazy over things they can’t control anyway?
One of life’s great mysteries. To me anyway.
Mitre stinks
Jake, you’ve got it exactly backwards. Pitching wins postseason series. End of story.
CB: Very good points. And you’d think that the Yankees would want to be careful with Hughes, too. He’s never had an arm injury…but at times I think the Yanks are doing the best they can to give him one…
wow…..reading all these posts, you would never know that we are 23-6 in our last 29 games
CB,
The wear and tear on the bullpen names you mentioned along with Joba’s fast approaching innings cap is exactly why I think the Yankees will deal for a starter soon.
Jake-Yes it does. What if A.J. does the same?
4 x 4: This is true, but to say that the Yankees have “nothing” or have had “nothing” is still a lie.
““I still think we can beat the Sawks if they get Doc”
Me too.”
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of course the Yankees can still beat them.
but if the Sox add Halladay without losing any major pieces on their current roster, it makes them a much much tougher team to beat.
The Yanks would have the superior offense, comparable bullpen, and when AJ and Joba are on their game, their rotation would still be comparable.
More ESPN propaganda
Gammons was raving about how great Dice-K looks and who he will take over the league when he returns in sometime in september.
hahahahahahahhaah
if the Sox add Halladay without losing any major pieces on their current roster,
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not happening
Instead of trading a ton for a mediocre starter, how about we acquire a reliever and move either Aceves or Hughes back to the rotation over a few weeks worth of stretching out?
“can we not overreact about aceves…as far as we know hes a tad tired and they are just playing it safe…hes not heading to dr james andrews yet”
I am so down with that Ralphie!
06 – Scored 3 runs against Verlander in the 2nd inning and nothing else
Shut down by Kenny Rogers
Shut down by Bonderman
07 -
Shut down by Carmona
Shut down by Byrd
For all the talk of our pitching woes, the offense has failed to show up in October several times over the past few years.
The rotation would not be comparable. Beckett/Lester/Halladay is superior to CC/A.J./Joba. I love Joba but at this point in his career he’s no Halladay.
GUESS THE LINE UP STANDINGS!!!!
By popular demand here are the current standings for “Guess the Line Up”. After 7 rounds, there have been 15 different winners as follows
Patrick the Prospect Hugger 2 Wins 7/27,7/17
Ramey 2 Wins 7/22, 7/21
IDCWYT 7/28
Yanksfan 7/28
HoNype 7/28
Andrew 7/27
Bill 7/27
BBfan 7/27
Henner 7/27
Eights 7/27
RS 7/24
WTTCTOH 7/24
86w183 7/23
Miggs 7/23
Hokiehill 7/22
Since “Guess the Line Up” seems to be turning into an official sport, this seems like a good time to post ground rules
1) “Guess the Line Up” will only be played during weekdays when I am at work. I never said I was a model employee
2) For 7pm starts, the submission window is from 2-3:40. Any line ups posted after 3:40 will NOT be counted. I will start enforcing this. For 1pm starts, the submission window is from 9am-10am.
3) Once Pete posts a new thread DO NOT post your line up on an old one. I may miss it. It is your responsibility to check to see if your name is on the list of line ups submitted
4) When you submit your line up you should include players and positions
That’s all the rules I can think of for now. But I reserve the right to add more or change the rules as I go along. It is my made up game
Matt,
The Yankees are looking at relievers. Numerous media reported it as did Pete.
My question is, would they move Aceves or Hughes to the rotation or trade Hughes for a top of the line starter once they replace him with a late inning reliever via trade.
The offense has been silent in October since game 3 of the ALCS in 04.
Really, the offense AND pitching have been missing. Usually when we hit, we didn’t pitch and vice versa.
This Aceves stuff is slightly worrying me. *Serenity now*
Is this old news around here?
http://www.rotoworld.com/conte.....&sn=t
According to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney, the Phillies and Indians are exploring a trade involving Cliff Lee.
As Olney reports, “The Phillies are intent on getting a frontline starting pitcher, whether they get Roy Halladay or not, and with the Indians’ Cliff Lee seemingly lined up as the clear No. 2 choice for Philadelphia, officials with both teams are doing extensive background work on some minor leaguers.” The Indians are seeking a major league-ready arm, and Kyle Drabek fits the description.
Jeter continues to move up the all time hits list.
59. Omar Vizquel 2680
60. Luis Aparicio+ 2677
61. Ivan Rodriguez 2676
62. Gary Sheffield 2675
63. Fred Clarke+ 2672
64. Max Carey+ 2665
65. Nellie Fox+ 2663
66. Derek Jeter 2661
Joe-True. But that’s October baseball. To beat the best pitching you need to counter with your best pitching.
Gammons really said that? After Dice-K told everyone that his “reserves” from his Japan training is used up???? And that Boston won’t let him train his way????
Sigh.
SJ, you’re right – I was in the car on the way home and I heard it and it was like a punch to the stomach. I don’t know what to make of the denials, to be honest. Don’t teams deny things all the time, only to have deals done?
I’m sure I overreacted to Aceves as I was still sort of depressed about Boston/Doc – SJ/CB, you really see this as nothing to be concerned about? Ace is such a valuable member of the pen that it would be a real issue if this were to drag on for the rest of the season.
Trish, I normally would never propose that the Yankees act out of fear of what any other team would do – in this case, it’s a bit different because you can’t, you just can’t, let Doc go to the Sox. That said, it’s a difficult situation because I also would not rape the farm system.
GF, if the rumors about Bucholz being offered are false, then you are right again. I don’t understand how all these runors get started, and by reputable baseball people like Heyman or Edes. It’s not that hard to check on the facts – why tweet or blog this stuff if the info can be shot down so easily?
If the Sox added Halladay they could put us away and I mean bury us for the next 3-4 seasons with Halladay-Beckett-Lester.
You think the Yankees don’t see that coming? You think we don’t have the ability to block them?
C’mon now.
I have no fear at this year’s deadline.
We are holding the more valuable trade chips.
Joba isin’t even going to be in the rotation in October.
Pettitte will be the #3 starter. And at the moment, we would have no #4 starter.
YEAH I’M TIED FOR SECOND!!!
ONE BACK BABY!!!
Looks like the Sox are getting Cliff Lee for nothing. Bowden as centerpiece.
the sox are nearing a deal for cliff lee according to mlbtraderumors.com…this spells trouble. beckett, lee, and lester at the top of a rotation is nightmare-inducing
Bowden as centerpiece.
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Not a chance.
about a half hour ago the Sox were getting Halladay – so what’s the truth?
“the sox are nearing a deal for cliff lee according to mlbtraderumors.com…this spells trouble. beckett, lee, and lester at the top of a rotation is nightmare-inducing”
big whoop….
the red sox are getting cliff lee!
http://zellspinstripeblog.com/.....-halladay/
sox rumored to be very close to a deal for cliff lee. no buckholz in the deal
FWIW
RT @RDSoxProspectus Rob Bradford of WEEI says the Sox are close to a deal with the Indians to land Cliff Lee
Rebecca, isn’t that an ovrreaction based on one outing? The Yankees are trying to get Phil injured? I mentioned my concerns that very night, but everyone poo poohed it and said Phil would be fine. I wonder why there are no Phil rules like with Joba – I’m really not sure if I trust Joe Girardi to do the right thing with Phil because he needs to win right NOW and Phil helps him do that. Cash needs to step in and insist that Joe treat Phil carefully.
If the Sox get Lee we’re in seriously huge trouble. Just like w/Halladay.
Blogtraderumors.com has “Awesome” Brandon and Boston Dave 2.0 going to RAB for Rick in Boston and Joe Pop.
do you make the deal?
WTTCTOHA-
Congratulations!!!! LOL
Can’t believe no one topped that offer for Lee if it’s true. Shapiro really has a “you know what” for Theo, eh?
Ugh……unbelievable. Wow, the Sox are about to really help themselves.
Brandon/Dave just kidding and BORED.
Erica-I’m going to make my move tomorrow to start spearheading my way to the top of the standings.
Uncle E-
YES!!!! Just please don’t include me in the deal. I am very cute and loveable
Looks like our lead in the AL East won’t be for long…
RT @LangoschMLB: Pirates post lineups… no Freddy Sanchez, no Jack Wilson…
VT I see Jeter with > 3,500 hits before he’s done. Easy.
the Sox will get one of the two Lee or Doc in the next day or two. They know that the Yankees as of right now are the better team & they will look to shift the balance
Edes and Heyman might not be making anything up.
99% of what you hear involve smoke screens. There is no way for the writers to verify what is being said because the GMs are not going to tell them directly. They get their info from the lower-ranking execs. Sometimes they are instructed just to provide some screens.
Maybe a Toronto exec put out this Boston rumor to scare us and scare Philly. Maybe a Mets exec did the same to scare Philly.
You can’t blame the writers. They are getting info, but it may not be accurate and purposely might not be accurate.
The Dodgers will get Lee. They have more to offer than Boston and they need a frontline starter more than Boston. Their front offices are very comfortable with one another as it is. They did the Casey Blake deal last season.
So if Ian Kennedy was healthy would the Yankees be able to get Lee for a package centered around him? I mean Bowden is Kennedy esque.
“FWIW, Kay is saying he’s hearing the Yankees are on the fringes of the Halladay talks. I heard the same thing today in a lunch meeting”
NYY is “in it” for only 2 reasons:
1) to block any Halladay trade to Boston
2) in case the Phillies drop out and the price drops
in my view, at least
Betsy,
I learned a long time ago that you never believe trade rumors until they become fact.
It doesn’t make any sense to worry about these rumors because 99% turn out to be nothing but gibberish.
Are the Indians kidding? Taking that garbage for Cliff Lee when they insisted on Hughes or Joba from the Yankees? Disgusting……..and again, teams just will accept far less from the Sox than they will from the Yankees. Shapiro is supposed to be such a good GM and he accepts this package? Wow
Let the Sox get Halladay, Lee, and Pujols, we’ll still beat ‘em!
If they get Lee we should really try for Halladay.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Erica-I’m going to make my move tomorrow to start spearheading my way to the top of the standings.
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I am sure you can do it. Just please, when you are bragging that you are the winner for the season- please remember the little people when my employer realizes I am playing with Yankee line ups and fires me
The guy who denied the Buchholz rumor was some anchor from a Boston TV station.
Why should we believe him and not Edes who has as good Sox connects as anyone? Just because the TV guy is reporting what we want to here?
Betsy-You’ve said that several times, yet so far tnone of these rumored trades have happened yet.
The news on Ace is concerning. He shouldn’t need this much rest.
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Any chance they are holding him out pending a trade?
don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if the red sox wanted to retire rice’s number, shouldn’t they have done it a long time ago? why did they have to wait until he was elected to the hall?
The worst possible thing the Yankees could do is make a move just because Boston did.
I think the red sox are gonna try and trade for Santa Claus
Bowden, Reddick and another prospect is what’s rumored. That other prospect better be Bard, Buchholtz, Kelley or Anderson otherwise that trade is a joke.
Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD July 28th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Let the Sox get Halladay, Lee, and Pujols, we’ll still beat ‘em!
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if that happens that won’t happen
Lee for Bowden and JJ Reddick?
LMAO.
Yanks are in on Halladay regardless of what the Sox do with Lee or any of the other rumored names they’re not getting.
Thanks for the support Erica. I have a complicated mathematical system I develop to use in making my lineup guess, full of charts and graphs.
So if you’ll excuse me [takes out chart]…eenie, meenie, minie, mo…
Cliff Lee for Michael Bowden, Josh Reddick? Sounds like a steal for the red sox. Heyman said the yanks ask about Lee but the cleveland wants Hughes or Chamberlain. Bowden and Reddick are not even close to Hughes or Chamberlain. Bucholtz or Bard is more compariable.
But I never been a big Cliff Lee fan I thought he is a little overrated.
Gotta agree with SJ
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Lee rumor sounds totally bogus anyway.
Erica – always OPPC
July 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Uncle E-
YES!!!! Just please don’t include me in the deal. I am very cute and loveable
They said “RAB has been asking for accounting help and positive vibes” What I’m hearing though is Erica is “untouchable”
“RAB is also looking for some curmudgeon help so Lohud was the first place they looked” no names mentioned as yet.
What does Boston need Cliff Lee for?
Is he going to hit clean up?
Gammons: Westmoreland can’t be traded, ergo the floating Halladay deal is false (though still interested in Halladay) and Sox more involved with A. Gonzalez.
Vinny,
More #2 than #1.
Cliff Lee is a good, not great pitcher. If the Sox get him, its not going to be some balance tipping moment.
He’s not Roy Halladay.
Don’t freak out until trades are finalized.
ESPN reporting Tex to the Sox sent the blog into panic and you see how that worked out.
Sox don’t really need Cliff Lee as badly as they need a bat, but if they could get him for that cheap a price, why wouldn’t they get him?
Bowden is nothing special and Lee won 22 games last year and is on the books for next year as well.
Hughes or Chamberlain can help the Yankees fetch a better pitcher than Lee. It’s pointless to talk to the Indians about them. I don’t care if they give him to the Red Sox (which they wont’). The Dodgers need Lee the most and hold more valuable prospects than the Red Sox.
Everyone relax with this Red Sox stuff. Just because some TV guy in Boston is reporting the deal doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
The Red Sox are going to make a deal. By now they can see that their team has significant holes and that the Yankees are very good.
They need a bat in a big way. But they also need a starter as their “low cost high rational moves” haven’t panned out.
Think of it this way – two weeks ago everyone was lauding them for having so much pitching they didn’t know what to do with. What a problem.
Now they are actively trying to find a starter.
Just wait and see. Too many rumors right now.
And in general the only reason those rumors are leaked is for a specific purpose.
I don’t see the Indians leaking to some Boston TV reporter so the leak is clearly coming from the Sox.
Why would the sox want the world to know that they are pursuing Cliff Lee?
That’s the real question to ask right now.
Lee is really good. Not Roy Halladay. But not far from him either.
I think he’s young too, though I’m not sure.
Why would boston trade for Lee when they have Smoltz!!1!1!
Yet again…Cliff Lee is pitching better than CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett. I wouldn’t exactly shrug that off.
“Why would the sox want the world to know that they are pursuing Cliff Lee?
That’s the real question to ask right now.”
Excellent point CB.
I’ll say it again: Don’t you just love deadline week?
hahaha, this from mlbtraderumors.com:
5:40pm: Well isn’t this ridiculous. Rob Bradford at WEEI tweets: “I have not reported anything. Somebody is hacking into my account.”
Boston tee vee is reporting the Red Sox are close to ordering Italian food, tonight!
Cashman needs to make a trade now!!!!
WTTCTOHA-
LOL. I now have a very official looking Excel spreadsheet to track the standings.
RDSoxProspectus @HackswithHaggs Hold up on that Cliff Lee report from WEEI.com RT @bradfo: I have not reported anything. Somebody is hacking into my account
Halladay, Lee, VMart, Adrian Gonzalez…
Other teams interested are holding better prospects than the Sox. The Red Sox can talk and show interest all day long. Doesn’t matter.
In the last few days, I’ve heard the Red Sox were on the verge of getting Victor Martinez, Adrian Gonzalez, and now Cliff Lee.
Wake me up when any of these guys are wearing a Red Sox uniform on August 1st.
5:40pm: Well isn’t this ridiculous. Rob Bradford at WEEI tweets: “I have not reported anything. Somebody is hacking into my account.”
Things just got weird. Cliff Lee deal flase,and I’m cracking up over here.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
5:40pm: Well isn’t this ridiculous. Rob Bradford at WEEI tweets: “I have not reported anything. Somebody is hacking into my account.”
I swear to you I’m not making this up.
“Cliff Lee is a good, not great pitcher. If the Sox get him, its not going to be some balance tipping moment.”
Completely agree. He’s good. But he’s not that good.
Anthony Murillo
July 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Looks like our lead in the AL East won’t be for long…
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Yeah sure …. and there’s a lot of people in hell looking for ice water.
Lee to the red sox is false
5:40pm: Well isn’t this ridiculous. Rob Bradford at WEEI tweets: “I have not reported anything. Somebody is hacking into my account.”
He’s not close to Roy Halladay.
He had a great year last year. Roy Halladay pitches like that every year. Big difference.
Until deals are done, worry about them at that time.
You plant a rumor in order to get other teams to move off certain players. Its all one, big game.
That’s why for every 20 rumors, there is 1 deal.
That won’t stop the Red Sox paranoia from some on here though.
flase is false.
Hahaha. That is too funny.
“Lee is really good. Not Roy Halladay. But not far from him either.
I think he’s young too, though I’m not sure.”
Lee is 30. Perfect age for a pitcher.
“I’ll say it again: Don’t you just love deadline week?”
Personally, I liked it better when the biggest problem of the day was Melancon’s lack of playing time. Are there any hypothetical Halladay trades left that could possibily be made???
The guy just said his account got hacked from weei. LOL
SJ-Yes, he is. He is having a good year this year, better than our top two pitchers. He won a Cy Young last year. And he’s young.
He’s close.
I think the red sox are gonna try and trade for Santa Claus
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If they get him we are in trouble…a staff of Smoltz, Matsuzaka, Wakefield and Claus would mean they’ll win the WS for the next twenty five years.
Cashman better go out and get the Easter Bunny…today.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 28th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Things just got weird. Cliff Lee deal flase,and I’m cracking up over here.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
5:40pm: Well isn’t this ridiculous. Rob Bradford at WEEI tweets: “I have not reported anything. Somebody is hacking into my account.”
I swear to you I’m not making this up.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It’s okay. None of you were fooled at all.
You were just playing along right?
Cashman isin’t going to step in and tell Girardi how to manage his pen. We are 23 games over .500 and soaring.
Total hoax, way to overreact to every rumor in the world, lemmings.
The Sox are most interested in VMart I believe. They simply don’t have the chips for Adrian Gonzalez and they already added LaRoche. VMart can play catcher now so he makes the most sense for them. They can move him to 1b when Lowell is finished. That time is fast approaching.
The Indians should really make the Sox overpay for VMart.
He is the face of their franchise with CC gone.
“5:40pm: Well isn’t this ridiculous. Rob Bradford at WEEI tweets: “I have not reported anything. Somebody is hacking into my account.””
Well we know definitively know why the “Red Sox” were leaking this rumor.
Someone hacked into Bradford’s account so that it would get picked up my mlb trade rumors and yankee fans all over the country would have become cataleptic.
And it worked.
why would the red sox not make a major trade of some kind?
they aren’t as good as the yankees right now.
they could try to sneak into the playoffs with what they have and run the table, but i think they risk falling behind the rays if they stay with the hand they have.
SJ-Yes, he is. He is having a good year this year, better than our top two pitchers. He won a Cy Young last year. And he’s young.
He’s close.
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Overall he’s a better value than Halladay, in my opinion. Halladay is better, but Lee is cheaper and younger.
You can find worse #5 starters than Mitre
Just look at John Smoltz.
Hey now,
for the record I’m just reporting what I see on Twitter. I leave it to your better judgment to decide if the reports are true or not
Cliff Lee is not a better pitcher than CC Sabathia and frankly isn’t as good as AJ has been this year.
He’s 30 years old. So what? Roy Halladay is 32 and is a better pitcher.
He’s a good but not great, pitcher. Certainly worth more than B Level prospects but is not going to be garnering the bounty it would take to get Halladay.
“And it worked.”
Yes, for all of FIVE MINUTES they had their laugh.
I doubt Shapiro trades Lee for that junk package.
jpb1973 July 28th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I think the red sox are gonna try and trade for Santa Claus
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If they get him we are in trouble…a staff of Smoltz, Matsuzaka, Wakefield and Claus would mean they’ll win the WS for the next twenty five years.
Cashman better go out and get the Easter Bunny…today.
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LOL Save us Easter Bunny
Twitter is turning out to be a not-so-good thing in many cases. Doesn’t sound like there’s a lot of security there.
http://www.soxrumors.com/sox_a.....een.072809
Bret the Hitman
July 28th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
The Sox are most interested in VMart I believe. They simply don’t have the chips for Adrian Gonzalez and they already added LaRoche. VMart can play catcher now so he makes the most sense for them. They can move him to 1b when Lowell is finished. That time is fast approaching.
The Indians should really make the Sox overpay for VMart.
He is the face of their franchise with CC gone.
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I agree the Indians better get Bard and Bucholtz if they trade Martinez to the red sox.
GF, that’s a good philosophy. I will say that while I seem to be panicking, I am not like some others who are already proclaiming the season over or the division title lost if the Sox acquire, say, Cliff Lee. I think that’s ridiculous. What would bother me the most would be the Indians taking a joke package when they demanded far, far, far better players from the Yankees.
“The Sox are most interested in VMart I believe. They simply don’t have the chips for Adrian Gonzalez and they already added LaRoche. VMart can play catcher now so he makes the most sense for them. They can move him to 1b when Lowell is finished. That time is fast approaching.
The Indians should really make the Sox overpay for VMart.
He is the face of their franchise with CC gone.”
What happens to their captain Varitek ya genius? Don’t people think these trades through before they say them? Oh wait, no they don’t.
Given Girardi’s relationship with the media I don’t think there is anything wrong with ace. If Ace turns out hurt after Girardi said there was nothing physically wrong with him then he will be back to step 1.
While we are waiting for the game to start and the crazy trade rumour is false, I would like opinions-
I met a guy who I think looks like Johnny Damon. How do I tell him we are getting married and having lots of babies without scaring him???
The Sox are NOT going to get anyone.
GMs don’t value their prospects the way that Olney and Gammons do. Other teams will make the Red Sox overpay and deplete their farm. They know Boston is desperate.
Boston will end up with no one. Theo hates to part with prospects.
All these fueled rumors yet nobody has heard a word out of Brian Cashman. Anybody surprised ? Anybody thinking he won’t be a player by Friday ?
KP
July 28th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but if the red sox wanted to retire rice’s number, shouldn’t they have done it a long time ago? why did they have to wait until he was elected to the hall?
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The RS only retire # of players that are in the HOF and finish their career in Boston.
SJ44
July 28th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Cliff Lee is not a better pitcher than CC Sabathia and frankly isn’t as good as AJ has been this year.
He’s 30 years old. So what? Roy Halladay is 32 and is a better pitcher.
He’s a good but not great, pitcher. Certainly worth more than B Level prospects but is not going to be garnering the bounty it would take to get Halladay.
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CC and AJ have had better careers, yes. But Lee is currently pitching better, and last year is certainly a better career year than any of theirs.
I don’t know, I’d sign up with what AJ has given the Yankees since that last Boston start before I signed up with Lee.
Uncle Ellsworth
you’ll never get me to waive my no-trade clause. I want to finish my career with LoHud!
Varitek can play backup and VMart can play some 1b. Small minds.
I remember when the Sox traded for Gagne and people freaked out. We all know how that one turned out.
Relax people.
It’s civil war in Boston
ESPN’s Keith Law says no way Sox trade general westmoreland and Gammons says no way Sox trade Buchholtz.
Globe’s Gordon Edes says both of them oof them have been offered.
Will Theo’s real go-to guy please stand-up
Season isin’t over if Boston acquires someone because they are likely going to the playoffs anyway. I doubt Tampa catches either team (though they are still very dangerous).
All getting Lee, Halladay etc. does it possibly help them wrestle the division from us and gives them a pitching edge in October.
The Rays making a big move like Lee/Halladay would hurt more than Boston doing it. Because then Tampa suddenly becomes a legit threat again and could keep one of us or Boston from October. Assuming they don’t get swept by us and fall 10 back.
GW,
Did you get that?
Their .230 catcher can become the backup when VMart arrives and VMart can play limited 1b so the Captain can save face.
As long as Melky is healthy the yanks are fine in center. Gardner is out only a couple of weeks. I hope they dont call up Austin Jackson just for a couple weeks. Just call up Shelly Duncan.
Hinske can play left field for Damon if Johnny needs a day off.
this place is insane…imagine if the yanks dare go out tonight and lose a baseball game..they wouldnt have the audacity would they?
“CC and AJ have had better careers, yes. But Lee is currently pitching better, and last year is certainly a better career year than any of theirs.”
Oh please. CC’s combined AL/NL year last year was significantly better than Lee’s.
A fake internet rumor about the Sox interest in Lee suddenly turns him into Bob Feller?
Some of you people belong in a mental institution.
The Sox are geting Halladay.
The Sox are getting Lee.
Aceves is going on the DL.
Why not just hand the Sox the trophy? Laughable.
“Theo hates to part with prospects.”
:cough, HANLEY RAMIREZ. cough:
what better way for the Yankees to remove a Rays trade from consideration than to win the next 2 games, at which time the Rays become sellers instead of buyers.
I’m highly suspect of this Aceves thing.
“Tired” ? Riiiiight.
Something’s brewing, thanks for the warning Pete.
Gammons has the best Sox sources of them all, but I doubt he uses them legitimately. For his own personal use he can probably find out what is going on for real, but he isin’t going to divulge it.
Will someone please explain to me what Shelley Duncan would do to help this team? He can’t play defense. They need someone who can come into a game to spell Damon or for a defensive replacement for Damon or Swisher/Hinske. They need someone who might be able to pinch run. Duncan cannot do these things. He’s a great guy and can hit some monster HRs if he gets the right pitch, but that’s not enough.
““Theo hates to part with prospects.”
:cough, HANLEY RAMIREZ. cough:”
Theo wasn’t with the Red Sox when that trade was made, remember the gorilla suit getaway.
The Rays girls are hot. They are the second best thing about that stadium after the air conditioning.
Dr. Cox July 28th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
“Theo hates to part with prospects.”
:cough, HANLEY RAMIREZ. cough:
he wasn’t GM at the time.
Theo didn’t make the Josh Beckett trade. That trade was made when he was on his sabbatical.
That trade was made by Mike Port.
Red Sox Not Close To Deal For Cliff Lee
“By Eddie Schmid [July 28 at 5:40pm CST]
5:40pm: Well isn’t this ridiculous. Rob Bradford at WEEI tweets: “I have not reported anything. Somebody is hacking into my account.”
5:26pm: Rob Bradford at WEEI reports that the Red Sox are close to a deal that would net Cliff Lee from the Indians for Michael Bowden, Josh Reddick and another prospect. Stay tuned.”
Now that makes sense.
Back away from the ledge you sociopaths.
Lets Go Yankees!
CC ended last year in the NL, which is easier than the AL.
CC had an excellent season but he started out pitching badly in the AL then was dominant in the NL. Lee was dominant in the AL.
Lee had a better year last year than Sabathia. And no I’m not saying this because of fake trade rumors involving him.
:why would the red sox not make a major trade of some kind?
they aren’t as good as the yankees right now.
they could try to sneak into the playoffs with what they have and run the table, but i think they risk falling behind the rays if they stay with the hand they have.”
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forget the Rays.
Texas looks really good right now with an excellent offense and a suddenly forimdable rotation of Millwood, Hunter, and Feldman. Their bullpen, when Francisco gets back, is decent.
not to mention they are 2.5 games ahead of the Rays and only 2.5 games behind the Sawx.
plus they have a ton of games with seattle and oakland still remaining.
miggs,
The Aceves panic is hilarious. The guy needs a couple days off just to get a breather and people think he is out for the rest of the season.
Boston Dave 2.0
July 28th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Uncle Ellsworth
you’ll never get me to waive my no-trade clause. I want to finish my career with LoHud!
i would never – just posting the hot rumor
“I’m highly suspect of this Aceves thing.
“Tired” ? Riiiiight.
Something’s brewing, thanks for the warning Pete.”
Not necessarily, but he’s not use to relieving so the Yankees need to be careful with him.
Shelley Duncan has great range, I heard he can cover the entire post-game buffet in under 3.3 seconds and has volunteered to handle the AJ pie dispensing on nights he is unavailable…
Dr. Cox July 28th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
“Theo hates to part with prospects.”
:cough, HANLEY RAMIREZ. cough:
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cough:, Theo didn’t make that deal.
ESPN reports Boston has moved to Defcon 2
Come Friday’s deadline, the web is gonna be swamped and frozen by rumor and propaganda.
Gotta split. Trade talks have been fun.
Dr. Cox
July 28th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
“Theo hates to part with prospects.”
:cough, HANLEY RAMIREZ. cough:
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Theo didn’t trade Hanley Luchianno did. He also said he would of never traded Ramriez for Beckett and Lowell.
Lee had a better year LAST YEAR than CC, but last year Lee had a better year than any other pitcher in baseball.
Over the long haul CC is the better bet.
Texas is the team to watch out for in the WC, not Tampa.
Texas doesn’t play in the AL East. They get to beat up on Oakland/Seattle, and they have had the Angels number this year.
Miggs,
Don’t you realize, the Sox are going to acquire everybody, do a bunch of 3 way deals, not give up anybody on their roster and go undefeated the rest of the year.
If MLB Trade Rumors says so, it has to be fact.
I’ve never seen so much panic for deals that have not been made. Its hsyterical! lol
“ESPN’s Keith Law says no way Sox trade general westmoreland”
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Isn’t Westmoreland a lesser version of AJax?
This is how much Cliff Lee scares me. I dropped the dude off my fantasy team.
Uh, maybe using my fantasy team as an example isn’t the most persuasive thing here.
“Cliff Lee is a good, not great pitcher. If the Sox get him, its not going to be some balance tipping moment”
I agree, SJ
Ken Rosenthal says the Yanks might be involved in a lesser trade but not rumored in on any of the major ones.
No one will know until Friday if that’s true or it’s stealth Cashman.
“Theo didn’t make the Josh Beckett trade. That trade was made when he was on his sabbatical.
That trade was made by Mike Port.”
hmm, I did not know that. interesting.
in the meantime,
the Yanks are moments away from attempting to move 24 games over .500 with a chance to have the best record in ALL of baseball by the end of the night
Is it me or does the volume of MY9 commercials almost double of the baseball broadcast. Very annoying.
Isn’t Westmoreland a lesser version of AJax?
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I thought he’s the lesser version of Custer
How did Lee have a better year than CC last year? More wins doesn’t necessarily equate a better season. CC pitched on 3 days rest for about 3 weeks, threw nearly 30 more innings, had 6 more cgs, 3 more shutouts, almost 100 more ks, had nearly an equal whip as well.
Just because Lee had 5 more wins and did it all in the American League doesn’t mean he had a better season.
Anytime Cashman makes a deadline trade, no one catches wind of it until its official
No one had any clue when he:
1) Traded Farnworth for Pudge
2) Got Abreu & Lidle
there is nothing worse than watching Yankees baseball and having to listen to Dewayne Staats and whoever the lousy color guy of the game is. Unless the Yankees are ahead, at which time the whining is very pleasant…
Merman: It’s not you.
for those who collected baseball cards in the 80′s, doesn’t my9 seem like o’pee chee to topps YES?
Same graphic, same folks, but just a little bit cheaper?
“I thought he’s the lesser version of Custer”
Buh Duh CHING!
LETS GO YANKS!
Lets get to Kaz early!
“Lee had a better year last year than Sabathia. And no I’m not saying this because of fake trade rumors involving him.”
No he didn’t. And it wasn’t that close.
This blanket statement about pitching in the AL vs. the NL is kind of ridiculous.
What division did Lee pitch in? Was it the AL East? No.
It was the AL Central. That division last year was putrid. And because the Tigers were so awful the offenses in that division were a joke.
CC was better than Lee. That’s all there is to it.
And CC didn’t only start pitching better when he got to the NL. He was lights out in the AL after that slow start before he got traded.
And CC pitched in the thick of a playoff race of the likes Lee never sniffed.
CC put an entire franchise on his back and willed them into the playoff even though he was a rental player for them.
He was better than Lee in overall performance and performed in much higher leverage situations.
WOW!!!
MLB Trade Rumors says AROD is trading Kate Hudson to ABC for Barbara Walters and Joy Behar!!
Erica stick with you pretend relationship with the real Johnny as opposed to a real relationship with a pretend Johnny
Rumor has it the Yankees are going to trade Shelly to the RS so he can join his brother at AAA.
“Isn’t Westmoreland a lesser version of AJax?”
No one can really say what Westmoreland is because he’s hardly played.
He had shoulder surgery very soon after he signed.
When was the last time Jeter had a leadoff homer?
>Lee had a better year LAST YEAR than CC, but last year Lee
>had a better year than any other pitcher in baseball.
Last year, Lee pitched like 39yo 20 game winning retiree.
Tex has over an .800 BAA Kazmir. Go Tex!
The silence coming from the Yankees front office reminds me of Cashman’s stealth pursuit of Teixeira.
I hope they start to attack Kazmir for the pitcher he is now, not who he was last year.
MLBTR: “6:06pm: Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal are now reporting that Washburn is “officially available” and have informed the Yankees, who plan to make an offer soon. The Brewers also could be interested in Washburn.”
Omar Minaya will make a fine analyst at ESPN alongside Peter Gammons.
“When was the last time Jeter had a leadoff homer?”
July 12 2008, Yankees v Blue Jays
Melky giving the Captain some ‘tude.
I like it.
Michael Kay is so stupid lol
They didn’t score that first inning. But Kazmir threw 20 pitches to get through 3 batters.
The rays bull pen is gassed and Kazmir doesn’t give them much length.
I really like the idea of Washburn in the rotation without giving up alot of prospects on the high end. He can be a good 5th starter for the team. having a good year with a 2.72 ERA.
Wooo defense baby
our infield is so good
Way to go boys! Tex must have saved countless errors this year with his defense.
things that go thump in the dead of the night July 28th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
“When was the last time Jeter had a leadoff homer?”
July 12 2008, Yankees v Blue Jays
Thanks
haha 2nd time the broadcast kept getting smaller before commercials
that DP was as good as it gets anywhere…
Nice stretch Tex! Seriously how many errors has he saved Jeter? Well that wouldn’t have been a error cause of dp but still very nice job Tex.
How good is this infield defense? Unbelievable.
That was an extremely difficult double play to turn – especially on turf and with Crawford on base.
Yet another fantastic play by the “lazy” robinson cano and great bag work by jeter.
And what can you say about Tex? They guy is a vacuum cleaner out there. Lays completely out to make the play.
Kazmir threw 20 pitches in the top of the first.
Thanks to that great defense cc gets out of the inning throwing 9 pitches.
Curious what the Mariners would ask for Washburn…?
Teixeira is so solid.
Cashman gained a great deal more – credibility, leeway, can’t think of right word – with his bosses by pushing for that signing. Look what Tex has given them. Offensively, he’s really good, but defensively he has helped to transform that infield.
If I’m the Steinbrenners, and Cashman wants a player like that again, I don’t even think twice.
Buchholz auditioning tonight
he did hit 97mph on a fastball but it’s still straight. he might be overthrowing tonight to make a statement.
2 on, 1 out in the 1st
A’s need to score some runs here
I know the Mariners were rumored to demand both Melky and Gardner for Washburn but what is a realistic compromise price if the teams do reach a settlement?
I just knew that was a double. Carl is fast.
Wait…how can the RS think about a deal for Halladay? What would that do to their supposed image as a small market team, who values their farm and would never “buy a championship”. Wont that complete their transformation to “Yankees Light”?
Over/under on the runs that Teixeira has saved the Yanks with his defense?
I put it at 36.
Nice job Alex!
Nice steal Alex
Dewayne Staats just said how encouraging Kazmir’s 1st inning was, then Arod gets the hit. A couple more of those and he’ll be complaining about the umpires
arod with some wheeles
Washburn is a bit of a risk if they give up too much. He is having a great year but his ERA is nearly two full runs below the average of the last three seasons.
Dennis Eckersley just said Clay Buchholz reminds him of Tim Linecum
(in his defense, he was mostly referring to the way he throws the ball – delivery)
If I’m the Steinbrenners, and Cashman wants a player like that again, I don’t even think twice.
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Alex Rios plays Tex-like defense in RF and Carl Crawford will become a free agent LF’r after 2010. Those 2 names pop into my head when I think about Cashman’s emphasis on run prevention.
What would people here give up for Washburn? Betances and Kroenke? Would that get it done?
“If I’m the Steinbrenners, and Cashman wants a player like that again, I don’t even think twice.”
It’s a great point. It was Cash who really had to push the argument for signing Tex.
Hal had to be convinced.
You do that as an executive and you are putting yourself on the line.
And Tex will generate more value for this team than he’ll be paid.
It was the critical move of the winter. The Sox sign Tex and the yankees have no shot at the division.
Anthony, Washburn has an ERA under 3.00. It’ll take a lot more than that.
Bret the Hitman July 28th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Alex Rios plays Tex-like defense in RF and Carl Crawford will become a free agent LF’r after 2010.
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Crawford will be trade bait at this time next year if the Rays are out of it.
I nominate Mark Teixeira for Yankee First baseman FOREVER!
Kazmir is actually throwing very well, a bunch of swings and misses already, they’ll probably wear him down but it’s hard to imagine his ERA is so high…
“Got Abreu & Lidle”
Erica: that one was reported and in the works a while. Not the Lidle part tho
“Anthony, Washburn has an ERA under 3.00. It’ll take a lot more than that.”
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I agree… but I believe Seattle is very thin at catcher.
If the Yanks throw one of their prospects in, it could be a major piece in a deal.
“Over/under on the runs that Teixeira has saved the Yanks with his defense?
I put it at 36.”
According to UZR: -0.6 runs.
He’s a below average fielding first baseman by UZR.
Miguel Cabrera has been a much better defensive first baseman according to UZR.
Time to retool the “metric” when it’s coming up with results like that…
Yanks not handling Kaz, but he’ll be out soon enough
35 pitches for Kazmir
“Some of you people belong in a mental institution.
The Sox are geting Halladay.
The Sox are getting Lee.
Aceves is going on the DL.
Why not just hand the Sox the trophy? Laughable. ”
That’s what happens when 4 years pass when the Red Sox do better than the Yankees.
Yankee fans are slowly becoming more like Boston fans used to be. Some of these people are just way too concerned with what Boston does – it’s the underdog mentality.
CB -
The improved defense saves the pitchers. If you can improve the defense in the outfield, it makes the pitching that much more better.
As much as I love Damon, I can’t see him back on this team next season unless it’s a real sweetheart deal for the Yankees, but even so, he can’t have a prominent role on the team. Job 1 is getting an outfielder who can really field.
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Go to Navy PIer!!!
Kazmir is dominating right now and all Michael Kay and Ken Singleton can talk about it how bad he is this year.
Has anyone elses broadcast of this game been sketchy, in terms of technical problems, or is it just me?
Tex couldn’t save that one.
Even Tex couldn’t save that one, oh Jetes.
lol…i think we jinx the defense
Well, it figures. All our accolades to this defense, and Jete overthrows.
Need another DP now.
Any metric that has Miguel Cabrera higher rated defensively at first than Mark Teixeira needs to be discarded.
That’s laughable.
Damn Jete
“Yankee fans are slowly becoming more like Boston fans used to be.”
Not all.
Jeter really airmailed that one.
is the camera angle really bad? it looks so far over to the right
throw strikes please
kay is acting like joan rivers right now. not cool…
“Not all.
”
No, not all. Most of the fans that are becoming whiney like that are new fans or just immature kids.
Can someone check out the Sox-A’s Gameday and look at Mazzaro’s velocity readings for the first inning? That can’t possibly be right…he was flat out SITTING at 99.
Big strikeout…
even if Pena strikes out all the time
G-C,
I’m watching the game and Eckersley is doubting it…
of course they didn’t doubt it when Buchholz hit 97.
again, throw strikes please
G-C,
the NESN guns had him at 97-98
Buchholz was at 95-97
anyone know what gabe kapler’s entrance music was,from 2nd inning?
This is boring
come on CC – focus…
if you don’t throw strikes, you are going to get beat
Well Washburn does have an under 3 ERA, but he’s still the same guy he was last year and he’s only got a few months left on his deal. You can’t convince anybody he’s worth giving up a Sabathia-like package. Betances is not doing well this year, but he’s still only 21 and has the chance to be very good. I think that’s a pretty reasonable centerpiece. Throw in Kroenke or some other guy who could be a serviceable reliever and a good position player not named Montero, Austin Jackson, or Austin Romine, and I think you could have yourself a deal.
double play coming up
Rays are playing their theme song for this year’s season and their attendance.
Hey, just turned on the game and the bases are loaded. Does CC not have his good stuff?
lets get out of this inning with just one run
CC is leaving the ball up way too often so far
A’s score 1-0 off Buchholz
# Laura July 28th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Hey, just turned on the game and the bases are loaded. Does CC not have his good stuff?
Can’t find the zone. Jeter’s error didn’t help either.
“Any metric that has Miguel Cabrera higher rated defensively at first than Mark Teixeira needs to be discarded.”
SJ,
There’s a lot of stuff that needs to be worked out on UZR.
One of the real disconnect it poses with first baseman is that it doesn’t explicitly “measure” their primary fielding responsibility – receiving throws on put outs.
As such there’s a lot of variability in the data because there is a wide discrepancy between the measured chances and the actual chances fielded by the first baseman.
There’s also going to be a lot of noise due to relatively small samples fielded to this point in the season.
They’re showcasing Buchholz – hence the juiced up radar gun speeds.
Throw the ball over the frickin plate fatso.
I refuse to believe any Boston trade rumors until I read the snarky, giggling, in your Yankee face, Tweet from John Henry.
CC has been a horse so far this year, but he hasn’t been the lock down ace that I thought he was going to be. Burnett has been the real ace so far. CC is constantly in trouble early in games.
CC not looking sharp.
His higher walk rate continues to trouble me…
Laura
he has lost the strike zone
Could have been a lot worse
34 pitches for CC
Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 28th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
CC not looking sharp.
His higher walk rate continues to trouble me…
You are a troubled person.
Walks kill you everytime.
Can’t keep walking .220 and .240 hitters. Especially in the same inning.
That’s been the one change in CC from the last few years. More walks, especially to bad hitters, and more 3 ball counts than usual.
He did a good job limiting the damage to one run.
CC is not as good as advertise =/
“Any metric that has Miguel Cabrera higher rated defensively at first than Mark Teixeira needs to be discarded”
discarded and burned
SJ44, it does not need to be discarded, just tweaked. That being said, it is widely accepted that UZR is not a great tool for measuring 1st basemen.
Okaland up 1-zip in the 2nd inningn.
2 hits, 2 walks, 1 error through 2 innings and CC still has thrown less pitches than Kazmir who has allowed just a hit
There may be something wrong with CC. Remember that game he left early in? Hmmm….
According to Gameday, Bucholz is throwing in 96-97 range. Since he was never really reported to be throwing that hard, I don’t believe it.
“A’s score 1-0 off Buchholz”
Not Bucholz! Bucholz? Really? Someone scored a run off Bucholz? Seriously? Are you pulling our chains here? Not THE Bucholz. Nah.
This is awesome. And telling. From Jennings’ post Pete linked to:
” Jesus Montero
* I assume you’ve heard of the guy.
* Montero is crushing Double-A pitching, and Newman did not rule out Montero opening next season in Triple-A.
* “Possible,” Newman said. “It really depends on what he’s doing defensively. He could hit here now. He needs to keep going defensively, which he’s doing.”
“
PJH,
Don’t you have a Red Sox game to watch.
You probably weigh more than CC only with less talent.
geez can you people stop with the CC bashing…the guy is a great pitcher…everytime he gives up a run you dont have to say hes been a let down
“CC is not as good as advertise =/”
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obviously you didn’t see the advertisement that showed the Yanks with the best record in the league
I think CC was a part of that one…
Buchholz laboring
37 pitches through 1 2/3
CC is not perfect, no one is. What he does game in and game out is give the Yankees a good chance to win. Sometimes he is also dominant and alway pitches deep into the game, that’s what aces do.
2-0 A’s
Buchholz not making Gammons proud so far
Gameday for that game has everyone throwing 96-97. In the first inning nearly every pitch from Mazzaro to Ortiz was 98 or 99, it’s clearly off.
“This is boring”
The game or the boards?
Does anyone else think that CC’s walks/bad command is up because he is over worked his season? In every start he basically throws 110+ pitches. Girardi always pushes him threw the 7th or 8th no matter how he or his pitch count looks..Before he had that arm tightness his words were it might of happened because of the 120 pitches thrown every start. I think Girardi should back off of him a little bit…
Vintage Kazmir
Was Jeter’s error that bad that Tex couldn’t save the play?
Nephew watch….
Tony is DH’ing tonight. He is 2-2 with a single, HR and 2 RBI and West Virginia is ahead of Charleston 4-0 in the third.
The nephew is now hitting .380 with 18 RBI and a 1.25 OPS in 17 games.
Dr. Cox July 28th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
“This is boring”
The game or the boards?
CC’s walk fest
The Buchholz hype is a pump and dump scam.
“geez can you people stop with the CC bashing…the guy is a great pitcher…everytime he gives up a run you dont have to say hes been a let down”
Ditto
“Gameday for that game has everyone throwing 96-97.”
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fortunately, the A’s dont care how fast it is. It’s straight and they are hitting it.
2 runs in, 2 on, 2 out.. Buchholz over 40 pitches through 1 2/3
“Was Jeter’s error that bad that Tex couldn’t save the play?”
Oh yeah
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who truly isn’t worried about where Doc ends up
July 28th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
“geez can you people stop with the CC bashing…the guy is a great pitcher…everytime he gives up a run you dont have to say hes been a let down”
Ditto
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they would rather have Melancon in early tonight…
How about we let CC pitch 5 or 6 innings before analyzing what’s wrong with him.
He got out of trouble and only gave up 1 run. The sky is not falling, relax.
Boston 1.5 games back
Yanks not getting to Kaz
Can’t lose this game 1-0 or 2-1.
“PJH,
Don’t you have a Red Sox game to watch.
You probably weigh more than CC only with less talent.”
Your a funny guy. The guy is getting paid a record salary for a starter.
He could give us a performance where he is not ready to implode for once. Every game is the same story with him.
His numbers are good, but if you watch the game you know that he really has not been great. He constantly has men on.
I thought we were getting the guy who dominated last year. I guess average performance for record pay is OK with you.
CC even on a bad day is better than most pitchers
“You are a troubled person.”
Uhh okay, is that an insult?
I think I’m a fairly well adjusted individual.
crap…
SJ: Seriously, you and the guys have got to get together and consider bringing him up a level.
He’s absolutley raking.
“Vintage Kazmir”
Cool. We should score runs by the 5th or 6th innings.
“Yanks not getting to Kaz Can’t lose this game 1-0 or 2-1.”
oh boy…oh boy….
Are you paying him? One run is “imploding” LoL
Exaggerate much?
“His numbers are good, but if you watch the game you know that he really has not been great. He constantly has men on. ”
As long as they don’t score, it really doesn’t matter.
You can never please most Yankee fans. So sad.
Yet another 6 era pitcher shutting us down. I think I’d rather face a guy with a low 3 era…we seem to hit good and average pitchers but get owned by terrible ones. And I don’t want to hear about how Kazmir has good stuff….the rest of the league is killing him
it would be nice to see Melancon pitch, but if they have to be way behind for that to happen, I hope he doesn’t pitch the rest of the year
So we’re giving up this game already? Wow……..
“they would rather have Melancon in early tonight…”
Oh no, not the M word!
“CC is leaving the ball up way too often so far”
In a nut shell this is the difference in CC between this year and last.
It’s why he’s been very good this year but not truly great.
He isn’t striking out as many hitters and is walking more because his fastball command hasn’t been as good as it was the past two years.
And it’s usually the same problem – he’s missing up, ususally up and out.
It’s something with his mechanics this year.
“Are you paying him? One run is “imploding” LoL
Exaggerate much?”
Directly? No. In a way yes.
Learn how to read anyway. I did not say he did implode. He is near imploding. Every start.
What do you know? guy on already
well CC’s 10-6 3.63 era with yankee winning only 11 out of his 21 starts isn’t the $23 million ace they advertise
We should make CC throw 190 pitches…teach him a lesson
“Yet another 6 era pitcher shutting us down.”
Um, it’s only the 3rd inning. There’s still a lot of baseball left.
Don’t forget that Kazmir always has one bad inning, and that usually comes in the 4th or 5th inning. I wouldn’t give up hope yet as the Yankees still have a chance to get to him the second and third time through the order.
CC needs to hold it here though.
One run really? One run given up by one of the best pitchers in the game scares you that much? Yankees not scoring by the 3rd inning scares you? Yankees down by one run inb the third scares you?
If that is really upsetting to you there’s always the Disney channel.
Laura
July 28th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Was Jeter’s error that bad that Tex couldn’t save the play?
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It wasn’t that high….assuming Teixeira was 7 foot 7 inches tall and could jump.
eeeek cmon CC!
CRAP!!!
Game over, if Kaz settles in. Looking like 3-0.
Ball hit a long way but not a thing of beauty on Swishers part.
ick…
“I think Girardi should back off of him a little bit…”
I think this is an issue. He ran up a lot of high pitch counts very early in the season of around 120 pitches or so.
Then he came up with that sore arm.
Leaving the ball up and having trouble with mechanics are often signs of a tired arm.
It could also be problems he’s having after having thrown all of those innings last year.
But he’s on pace this year also to throw over 250 innings.
“It wasn’t that high….assuming Teixeira was 7 foot 7 inches tall and could jump.”
I didn’t see the play, but your description makes it very clear for me. Thanks, GB!
Terrible pitching with an 0-2 count. Why not bury a slider in the dirt? That pitching sequence made no sense
cmon CC settle down
This is an alarming start by Sabbathia.
He just seems to labor through almost every inning now.
Just can’t put hitters away right now.
CC looks like Do do.
This is a joke
Just wanted to pop in to welcome the “Nick Swisher is an above-average right-fielder” folks to the blog. I hope you are getting ready to jump off that ship. I don’t know how many more lousy plays it is going to take. Hope that last one didn’t mess up his UZR.
crawford did a good job throwing arod off…
CRAP CRAP
Is first base in a valley tonight?
Ok i laughed at that one. 2x in one game? maybe its not our night
we are falling apart
night and day
what the heck happened to our defense?
wow…we REALLY jinxed the defense
This is the game we were meant to lose. 2 errors ick, I’m turning the game off.
Come On ZZ!
Can we get yesterday’s team back?
Were are all the CC apologists now? Can fatso beat a division rival for once? He can’t beat Boston and now is pitching his team out of the game in a huge divisional game in the heat of a pennant race. 11-10 in his starts (likely 11-11) is NOT good enough. Earn you money, fatso.
Okay that’s the last time I bring up our good defense haha. Come on CC end this inning!
Bawston is losing, we need to win this game damn it!
Wow. Just wow.
Yeah, it’s early and this team can always come back, but some nights it’s just not your night.
Yankees defense just gave away 2, maybe 3 runs in this inning. Just terrible.
Swisher’s play was atrocious. If he fields that off the wall, Upton stops at 3B and Crawford at 2B. In that case you could have held Crawford at 2B with a grounder to the left side and limited the damage, but instead there is nearly a guaranteed 3rd run.
And now A-Rod’s horrible throw probably sets up a 4th run that had no right to even be on base.
Another great job. Allowing speed to mess with your head. Yanks need to learn to not allow speed to get into their heads. It obviously kills them against the Angels also.
I seriously can’t believe people are calling this game already. This team has shown it has fight. Have some freaking faith for a change, instead of taking the bloody easy way out and giving up.
What, the Rays 4th place hitter laid down a bunt to get the runner over?? Unheard of if your SJ44….good fundemental baseball Rays…
It would be hilarious if the Holliday-less A’s beat Buccholz the ‘crown jewel’ of the Sox farm.
At least Boston is also down.
Pete jinxed the defense with this post:
UPDATE, 7:23 p.m.: That is some very nice baseball right there. Cano tracks down a ball behind the bag, flips it to Jeter and he makes the pivot fast enough to get Crawford with Tex making a sprawling grab at first. How much better is this team in the field this season?
Don’t call him that, loser
A Rod might need a day off…
Geez, it’s 3-0 – because the team has never come back from a deficit. Some fans…………
“This is the game we were meant to lose. 2 errors ick, I’m turning the game off.”
smart move.
The Yankees haven’t come from behind all year – it’s not going to start tonight.
And to think we signed this CC guy and passed on HOF John Smoltz!
How about a strikeout, Mr. “ACE”???
“This is the game we were meant to lose. 2 errors ick, I’m turning the game off.”
Most pathetic post of the evening – so far. But cool if you mean it. Hopefully you’ll take a few of your “it’s over!” pals with you.
Swish doesn’t know how to play a ball off the wall. Jeter can’t throw to first. Alex can’t throw to first.
Pat Burrell looks soooo much like Mike Mussina. Wow!
I see Matt has arrived. He was no where to be found during yesterday’s game, when we were winning. We are struggling early tonight and voila – Matt shows up. I’m so shocked.
strike this joker out
55 pitches so far for CC
Actually I find it hard to believe that a Yankee fan would turn a Yankee game off, period.
“Meanwhile the Rays just had their cleanup hitter bunt with a 3-0 lead.”
The issue was bunting over a runner already in scoring position with 0 outs. Bunting with a 3-0 lead is not a mistake.
C.C. will settle down and Kazmir’s wildness will show up. Yankee bats will do damage.
first place and its just not good enough…2nd best record in baseball and its just not good enough…
Is CC’s command due to a tired arm? Two years ago he had just 36 walks in 220 innings, and he’s way above that pace now.
Meh, I’m also turning the game off to play UFC 2009 Undisputed, lol. 23 of their last 30 is still awesome. And as long as Boston loses, we’re all okay.
This whole mess started because CC was so worried about Upton at 1st base that he left a pitch up to Crawford. I really wish that Molina would catch most of the games against the Angels and especially Tampa. The pitchers are so worried about the base runners because they know Posada very rarely throws out a fast runner.
When you compare the highest paid hitter and pitcher, Arod vs CC. Arod was at least in the mix of top 5 hitter every year, if not the best. So far this year with CC, he’s not even in the top 10 starting pitcher mix. We know what he did last year but in term of this year he’s been putting up #2 starter number not the ace we all hope for.
Really Gardner….Posada had runners on 1st and 2nd w/0 outs and didn’t bunt….what is your point?
Whether it was Madden’s call or Zobrists decision bunting there was amazing shortsighted.
CC is visibly struggling. Has poor command. Isn’t finishing pitches.
And they just give away an out.
Burrell strikes out and the bunt translates into no value other than a potential past ball scoring the run.
Just ridiculous baseball by the rays.
And the yankees are very lucky they gave away that out.
How many times have we seen the offense wake up in the 6th/ 7th inning, it’s way too early to give up on this game. That said, CC is far from Ace-like today.
“Sabathia does not have great command tonight” In other analysis, the Detroit Lions will probably not win the 2009-2010 Super Bowl.
Oy… not a good inning for the CC man.
CC looks like he might be headed for an early night – I wish now that they had a long man because I hate having to patch together a game with 4/5 pitchers.
CC is not an Ace,he’s not a stopper,AND DIGS THE TEAM IN A HOLE.He’s awful.Aj is less scary
CC at 58 pitches.
No, it’s not good enough when your “ace” can’t win a big game. It’s not good when your $20 million a year pitcher has a mediocre era and mediocre record (for the money he is making). The team is 11-10 in his starts and on the way to .500 in those starts. I’m sorry but that’s just not good enough from the guy that was supposed to put you over the top.
Fans online remind me of my co-workers. If they’re having a bad day they want everyone else to be down there with them. The people who are negative and weak in the face of adversity are entirely dependent on other people having to witness them sulk and whine. It’s the number 1 reason why I hate work. Why can’t negative people just shut up?
olan July 28th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
When you compare the highest paid hitter and pitcher, Arod vs CC. Arod was at least in the mix of top 5 hitter every year, if not the best. So far this year with CC, he’s not even in the top 10 starting pitcher mix. We know what he did last year but in term of this year he’s been putting up #2 starter number not the ace we all hope for.
what
Ahh, you noticed that, Laura.
Good thing the pen is rested …
The Yanks will be lucky to get 6 from CC
“Whether it was Madden’s call or Zobrist’s decision, bunting there was amazing shortsighted.”
I thought it was a little early in the game for that play.
Yeah Laura, because all I do is sit here and post on an internet blog every day and night.
Doesn’t matter what you are doing or where you are, if you aren’t posting on the LoHud Yankees Blog for even 1 night you are a troll and Red Sox fan. You are obsessed, get over it.
game ain’t over yet…
Yep, regardless of the bad D, CC is not the same CC that he has been……..and I’m not sure what can be done. It’s up to Eiland to figure it out……..he needs to do that.
Bleeding has stopped, now let’s get some of these runs right back!
Game Over.
Work Fast, Throw Strikes, you are ….. stupid….
More errors than hits
I guess we forget that Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez made some pretty bonehead erros, right?
K, forgotten. CC SUCKS!
risha – OPPC lifetime member who truly isn’t worried about where Doc ends up
July 28th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
“This is the game we were meant to lose. 2 errors ick, I’m turning the game off.”
Most pathetic post of the evening – so far. But cool if you mean it. Hopefully you’ll take a few of your “it’s over!” pals with you.
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Hi Trish,.
I stopped by but can’t stay in here. I’m hardly the moral police, but I think people calling CC “fatso” should be banned. How is it any different than judging Kim Jones by her looks…
I’m out of here.
Bring home a win
Angel – A tale told by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing
July 28th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
I seriously can’t believe people are calling this game already. This team has shown it has fight. Have some freaking faith for a change, instead of taking the bloody easy way out and giving up.
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Are you kidding? I’m surprised that it took this long for that to be posted. It’s usually by the 2nd pitch.
trivia answer: Mike Fetters
RDM
“Really Gardner….Posada had runners on 1st and 2nd w/0 outs and didn’t bunt….what is your point?”
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I think the real question is, what’s your point?
My point was Kay/Singleton and Pete saying the mistake was bunting your cleanup hitter with a lead, when really it should have been bunting with a RISP and 0 outs.
Wow 24 pitches and still gave up 2 more runs!
tex is such a hustler…
Tex with the hustle. Got to love that.
hehe way to bust a move Tex
Look at Tex run, young kids just need to model themselves after Tex.
You don’t need speed to hustle and steal an extra base. Good baserunning trumps good tools any day of the week.
Love those free “small ball” outs. Now the Yanks are going to come back.
Nice hustle by Teixeira. We need to get the run in this time.
Did anyone else notice that fatso is 1-8 in his career against the Yankees?
“There may be something wrong with CC. Remember that game he left early in? Hmmm….”
Id rather be part of “the bash CC club” than “the come up with excuses for his poor performance club”.
“As long as they don’t score, it really doesn’t matter.”
Maybe against the Oakland A’s it does not matter, but when you play teams that are actually good like the Red Sox and Angels is does matter. They will hurt you if they get guys on.
Boo hoo Kazmir. You’ve been getting pitches up and away off the plate for strikes that CC hasn’t even come close to having called and you’re complaining about the zone?
Patrick, go hug some prospects dork. Make sure to bring your pom-poms. Do you even know anything about baseball? Or the prospects that you love to hug? Did you know who Joba was before he was called up? I bet you mis-pronounced his name.
slurp him some more, kay
FWIW, I was at CC’s last start.
The Yankees were in a 3-0 hole by the fourth inning. In fact they may have been down 3-0 before they had a single hit.
The Yankees won the game.
(and in other news I hate Carl Crawford)
Robbed
damn crawford..
I hate you Crawford!
Tex is a player.
was i wrong on him.
no complacency. Plays all facets of the game hard. Not a stat padder.
That ARod sure is clutch!
“Doesn’t matter what you are doing or where you are, if you aren’t posting on the LoHud Yankees Blog for even 1 night you are a troll and Red Sox fan. You are obsessed, get over it.”
Matt, I’m going to say this and then I’m done with you. We’ve had this conversation before. I didn’t call you a troll because I’m not 100% convinced that you are a troll. What I do know is that you only come around when times are tough and things are bad. That is very strange to me. I’ve said this to you before. I just find your expression of your Yankee fanness (yes, I know that’s not a real word) to be quite different from most fans that I know. That’s all I have to say on the matter.
i dont particularly enjoy the other CC.
I am so sick and tired of Crawford. Tampa, trade him to the Nationals ASAP. Trade him to a non-contending NL team!
Can someone just hit a homerun, because the Rays defense is pretty good…
If I was in the Yanks organization I wouldn’t let CC go over 100 pitches for his next 3-4 starts. Maybe that will help if this arm is some what tired. Something is definitely off with him this season..
How great would Crawford look in pinstripes?
Hate Crawford!
a rod LOL
what a tard
what are you doing you have no knees?????
Matsui so clutch yet so stupid at the same time.
bad baserunning mats…but good hit…
Work Fast, Throw Strikes my name is a joke. I find it funny that “prospect hugger” is thrown around like an insult.
You remain stupid, enjoy.
damn…matsui whatcha thinkin..you a slow man!
Damn, Matsui runs like my Grandpa.
what kind of stupid base running was that??
ok 3 bonehead plays tonight, but yay for a run!
What the hell is Matsui smoking? This is the sloppiest baseball played by the Yankees in a long, long time.
Where are you going Matsui.
The throw was so bad that it made Navarro’s job much easier. Still, poor fundamentals by the Yanks tonight.
Buchholz at 63 pitches. Nice showcasing for scouts.
Uh, Godzilla! Good and bad job.
Stupid play by Matsui. You are still down 2 runs, don’t give away an out on the bases there against a guy who is struggling, especially when you have NO SPEED whatsoever.
Teixeira’s good baserunning steals a run, but Matsui’s horrible one there pretty much ends the rally.
Sloppy night for the Yankees.
Did someone really question ARod because Crawford made a running grab to rob a double and RBI? Best record in baseball since he came back. CC is the problem, not ARod.
So in this inning, the Yanks should have had a double, double, single and single. Let’s hope these runs and hits that are being left off the board don’t come back to haunt the team.
Where in the world is Matsui going?!!! He is soo slow now he never would of made it to 2nd base anyway. Posada, Cano and Matsui are the worst base runners I have ever seen.
Matt July 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Stupid play by Matsui. You are still down 2 runs, don’t give away an out on the bases there against a guy who is struggling, especially when you have NO SPEED whatsoever.
Teixeira’s good baserunning steals a run, but Matsui’s horrible one there pretty much ends the rally.
We are watching the game. We don’t need a recap.
Up in Boston
Cy Buchholtz has coughed up 7 hits, 2 runs, and 63 pitches through 3 innings.
Kazmir is going to break soon. Every hitter has had a good AB since going through the 2nd time in the order.
The guys don’t seem to have their heads on straight tonight. Luckily, they’ve got 5 innings left to get their acts together.
The Yanks need to tighten up their fundamentals and start playing solid baseball.
unfortunate to see NYY not on their A-game tonight.
this series is potentially one of the most important of this year. The opportunity to knock Tampa out, and all but clinch a playoff birth
I think we should take up a collection and buy Matsui a Segway to scoot around the bases.
People who are freaking out not to shutup and calm down and stop behaving like a spoiled Yankee fans, having a seizure because CC gave up a few runs and the Yankees made some errors even though they’ve won 23 or 29. This is exactly why people hate us, this kind of behavior. CALM DOWN, the Yankees are MUCH better than the Rays, they can come back from this you need to be patient.
tonight – i meant.
Carl,
It’s not a recap. If you have nothing productive to say don’t respond.
can you really be sloweer
Here comes BAWSTON…
ugh
wow the rays defense killed us this inning…geez
Yanks should take notes from the Rays on how to play defense.
He wouldn’t have gotten a faster runner.
OK, we can buy Posada a Segway too.
crap… things not rolling the Yankees way tonight…
This game has a bad smell to it. Good plays by the Rays, not so much from the Yanks.
“Cy Buchholtz has coughed up 7 hits, 2 runs, and 63 pitches through 3 innings”
good
boston tied it.
vin mazzaro.
“Cy Buchholtz has coughed up 7 hits, 2 runs, and 63 pitches through 3 innings.”
When people complain about Joba, I wish they’d realize that nearly every young pitcher in the AL East has had the same problems with pitch counts. Buchholz, Price, Kazmir, Jackson, Lester in his rookie season…
Well the good news is the Yanks smacked the ball around that inning. They needed great plays from Bartlett and Crawford as well as a dumb baserunning mistake from Matsui to get out of that inning.
Compare the swings they are getting the second time through the order to the first.
They are on Kazmir’s pitches now. Kazmir was very lucky Crawford is the leagues best LF.
All the more reason why the Rays giving away an out with the bunt was so perplexing.
Kazmir has been terrible this year. Playing for one run is just strange.
Tampa’s defense is bailing out Kazmir. That’s only going to last for so long given how well balls are being hit.
It’s up to CC to hold the Rays and to give the offense a chance.
we got one back, long way to go
Matt July 28th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Carl,
It’s not a recap. If you have nothing productive to say don’t respond.
Shut up. No one wants to read your crying. Hows that for being productive?
Mazzaro just falling apart like he did against the Yankees.
“Are you kidding? I’m surprised that it took this long for that to be posted. It’s usually by the 2nd pitch.”
Its like this place has its share of wusses that can’t handle being fans unless they’re winning 1-0 from the very first pitch and each game is a blowout.
Its gutless.
Kazmir has thrown 72 pitchers after 4 innings and we’re only down by 2 runs, plus we lead the majors in basically every offensive category AND in comeback wins…
RELAX
Bartlett is a tool.
3-2 sux
You can’t sit around and go “at least Boston is losing.” You have to go out there and stop making mental mistakes and win your own ballgame. They are facing the A’s, whatever score there is now is not likely to hold up over the course of the game.
“Yanks should take notes from the Rays on how to play defense.”
Right, because I’m sure the third place Rays never have a bad defensive game or make an error. I’m not going to look, but I guess they’ve made 0 errors this season. Too bad the Yankees can’t be like them.
“I think we should take up a collection and buy Matsui a Segway to scoot around the bases.”
I think sometimes, he’s in denial about how his knees affect his running. He was upset that they didn’t let him play the field in the NL games. He doesn’t see how slow he is. Watching him run makes my knees hurt. That’s how bad he looks.
if i had control of a nuclear weapon id might detonate it just for kicks after reading some of these comments
my comment doesnt even make sense..a trend you might ask?
yes…its like 75% of comments on this blog!
Well now we NEED to win tonight, ugh.
CC cant seem to throw a first pitch strike
Psyluk July 28th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
This game has a bad smell to it. Good plays by the Rays, not so much from the Yanks.
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Maybe you should wash your mustache
Haha Kapler walks up to the plate with Japanese music playing. Something he picked up while playing in Japan?
CC seems to be middling with the fringes of the plate…
Carl,
Again, if you have nothing to say other than to insult another poster repeatedly, then stop wasting both your time and everyone else’s who has to see your post amongst actual baseball conversation.
4-2 sux
Someone should teach Matsui to walk on his hands. He might be faster that way.
imo most of the negativity arise from the contract they signed. When you’re the highest paid player in any sport there’s a certain expectation you must meet. If arod get paid half of what he’s making people will probably boo him a lot less. Just like if CC get paid in the range of AJ he’ll not get criticize as much. The current top 10 starting pitcher in era doesn’t even make AJ money….
CC throw some strikes please….
anyone keeping count?? How many full counts has CC been in tonight?
This game has that feeling of “one of those games” were the ball just doesn’t bounce our way.
But it’s early and that can change quickly.
How many earned runs for CC?
lol..CC was like “damn you suck” in a kidding way to Arod on that popup lol
CC has to go after some of these weaker hitters at the bottom of the order. Even if he throws it down the middle, with his stuff they might not even be able to do anything with it.
“Well now we NEED to win tonight, ugh.”
No we don’t.
“How many earned runs for CC?”
2
Emphasis on EARNED.
ball one again
“The team is 11-10 in his starts and on the way to .500 in those starts.”
Seriously? None of those of course were during that extended drought where the Yankee offense couldn’t score a run. Here’s a little information. In games where CC got a no decision, he allowed the following ER: 1, 6, 3, 4, 1. 3 of those 5 were quality starts. It’s really not good enough to quote his WL without looking deeper.
The Yankees are NEVER out of game, you guys need to stop underrating your own team
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN,
Yes, we do.
so Kazmir suddenly finds him form against the Yanks:(
if the Rays were smart they should put him in a trade package, he is never this consistently good….hopefully they can get him out of the game in 6 at least
Thanks RalphieD.
Angel –
What is wrong with people like you. Gutless??
Cant people have anxiety issues like I do, or place a little too much emphasis on sports as I do, or any number of reasons that would make any Yankees fan a little unsettled at many physical and mental errors committed in this game.
IMHO, We are a great team, we can still come back in this game, but our ace is struggling tonight and if we can sweep this series, we can do a large part to put away the Rays.
oh damn. 5-2 sux
Anthony Murillo-No, we don’t.
Now we need to win every time the Red Sox do? That’s ridiculous and you can’t expect that of them.
Damon was gracefull like berishnakov on that out.
A 1-2-3 inning. Very promising.
Good quick inning! Let’s get right back out their and cut into this lead.
CC: “He’s grinding it tonight” Only in baseball, folks.
good comeback inning CC
STOP scoreboard watching the Sox game, focus on the YANKEES
If you keep watching how many they put up on the A’s it’ll only make you feel more nervous to watch us against the Rays
You can’t think like that
In 9 of his starts he allowed 2 runs or less; in 13 of his starts he allowed 3 runs or less. Those of course are all quality starts. I don’t know what gives you the notion he can’t win the big game. If you pitch 13 games where you allow 3 runs or less and go deep into the majority of those games, you are sure pitching well enough to win the big game.
Gotta win 2 of 3 at least against these Rays and then, well I think we all know what must be done against the sux in a few weeks.
“UPDATE, 8:17 p.m.: Tex is a heck of a base-runner. Almost always makes the right decision.”
He’d be even more dangerous on the base paths if he were faster.
It’s time for CC to take a page out of AJ’s book and start throwing 2-seamers. 71 pitches after 4 innings, he needs some quick outs.
I know I said I wanted Melancon to pitch but not in a close game =/
Much better inning for CC there, but he still looked like he was struggling to attack hitters. Hopefully the last at bat on Bartlett he found his arm slot.
The pharmacuetical industry is reaping the benefits off people today.
Exactly the kind of inning that CC needed, now hopefully the bats can continue to wear down Kazmir.
And Bob Geren gets to watch the rest of Oakland’s game from the showers, I didn’t see what happened.
I have no issue with scoreboard watching, but if the Yankees win than you can’t get all upset that the Sox didn’t lose, we can’t control that.
I have no issue with scoreboard watching, but if the Yankees win than you can’t get all upset that the Sox didn’t lose, we can’t control that.
Sorry double post.
Swisher had a great night last night. Too bad those will be his last 2 homers until September.
uUually when CC has been smacked hard he wakes up,and starts throwing better.We can only hope.
“Seriously? None of those of course were during that extended drought where the Yankee offense couldn’t score a run. Here’s a little information. In games where CC got a no decision, he allowed the following ER: 1, 6, 3, 4, 1. 3 of those 5 were quality starts. It’s really not good enough to quote his WL without looking deeper.”
You don’t pay him 23 mil to give you only quality start. It’s like asking Arod to hit almost .300 and 20 hr 100rbi while paying him 30mil
Sox won.
Wait till they come to OUR house again,
Yes, we do. Period. End of story. A sweep could put Tamapa away, plus we don’t lose ground in the A.L. East.
I say he can’t win a big game because, well, he can’t! Take a look at his postseason numbers. Take a look at his numbers vs. the Yankees. And then take a look at his numbers vs. Boston this year. Game. Set. Match.
“I have no issue with scoreboard watching, but if the Yankees win than you can’t get all upset that the Sox didn’t lose, we can’t control that.”
So I should give up my daily ritual of sticking pins in a voodoo doll fashioned in the likeness of Pukelis?
I don’t know why you’re all surprised Kazmir is pitching well (so far). He has great numbers vs. the Yanks.
Randy Johnson has a torn rotator cuff and is expected to miss at least 3 weeks. He will be spending that time taking classes on how to develop a personality
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
Btw- is Wang still in Dr. Andrews waiting room?
Work Fast, Throw Strikes-Well that’s a stupid way to look at it.
Anthony-No we don’t. Period.
What is wrong with people like you. Gutless??
Cant people have anxiety issues like I do, or place a little too much emphasis on sports as I do, or any number of reasons that would make any Yankees fan a little unsettled at many physical and mental errors committed in this game.
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You can have whatever anxiety issues it is that you have or place however too much importance on baseball, but why does it have to be inflicted on everyone else though?
Honestly, if I game of baseball sets of anxiety to the degree that it seems to with some people, then perhaps following baseball is not for them. My opinion. You don’t have to agree with it or like it.
CC hasn’t been as good as we thought but it’s kind of absurd the insults that get thrown around here. He doesn’t suck. He just hasn’t been quite as good as we expected.
Personally, I do not like the scoreboard watching. If I wanted to know the Sox score, I would look myself
cy kazmir
Melky has no chance in his at bats…
wang is reading goofus and gallant in dr. andrews waiting room…
5 ip, 1 er for Kazmir…still waiting on that “one bad inning” from him. And still waiting on him to “get knocked out early.”
You can’t be losing games in the heat of a pennant race with CC going against a guy with a 6 era.
WTTCTOHA-
Don’t waste your time typing. That guy smells like troll
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
I have no issue with scoreboard watching, but if the Yankees win than you can’t get all upset that the Sox didn’t lose, we can’t control that.
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We can’t really control the Yankees outcome from our computers either. Sorry to break the bad news.
It is weird that so many of the batters have such bad #’s against Kazmir. It is probably because he is wild. His stuff isn’t close to what it used to be but he misses his spots a lot. So they never know what part of the plate to look for the pitch.
So from now on guys big games only take place vs. the Red Sox. All other games are considered petty and unimportant.
bartlett threw it to 1B?
“I don’t know why you’re all surprised Kazmir is pitching well (so far). He has great numbers vs. the Yanks.”
He’s been stinking up the joint this year so one would have hoped that he’d stink against us as well.
djsunyc
July 28th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
wang is reading goofus and gallant in dr. andrews waiting room…
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Ooh- I used to love Goofus & Gallant. (Guess which one I associated with). I also was a big fan of the hidden pictures
Rays defense is just phenomenal. 6th inning down 2, IDK if we get back tonight. The Rays need this game more and so far have wanted it more.
Bartlett looks like the kinda guy that likes to &*$# @!$# for money.
Melky should give up switch hitting. I don’t care what the stat say, he looks like he has no chance up there against any lefty who throws harder than 90 mph. He is a far more complete hitter from the left side.
Wait til the come to OUR House,
Please explain how that is stupid? What other facts would you like to look at to determine if he can or can not win a big game? Those are the most important stats. Until you prove otherwise, YOU are the STUPID one. Child.
GardnerBelongsInCenter-Of course not, but we like discussing it.
The Yankees are our team. The Sox aren’t.
Erica-Battling trolls is fun when we’re losing. It’s a great stress reliever.
GardnerBelongsInCenter-Of course not, but we like discussing it.
The Yankees are our team. The Sox aren’t.
Erica-Battling trolls is fun when we’re losing. It’s a great stress reliever.
The Yankees are extending HOPE week 1 more day for Kazmir.
“Btw- is Wang still in Dr. Andrews waiting room?”
yes, it’s torture too. None of the magazines are in Taiwanese.
kazmir is at 84 pitches…he might get out of next inning…how well did the ray pen hold us down last night…not too good
“Personally, I do not like the scoreboard watching. If I wanted to know the Sox score, I would look myself”
I don’t start my scoreboard watching until after the ASB.
What is Goofus & Gallant?
Work Fast:
A. I’m in my 30′s (I hoped I wouldn’t have to admit that and that’s the last time you’ll see it)
B. So from now on big games are only vs. the Sox. Right.
Not to mention that least year in Milwaukee he was fantastic in big games.
And anyway he pitched well vs. the Sox this year, it was the bullpen that didn’t work out.
“You can’t be losing games in the heat of a pennant race with CC going against a guy with a 6 era.”
Did I fall asleep for 6 weeks again? Last I knew it was July!
good for cc
A thread dominated by idiots
Miggs stays away
Look for a big 6th inning by the Yanks
what song is it that plays when longoria comes to the plate?
Goofus and Gallant is a sort of comic strip thing in the Highlights children’s magazine.
It’s about two kids. One (Goofus) does everything wrong, the other does everything right (Gallant).
No, he didn’t pitch well vs. Boston this year. At the major league level it’s about WINNING games, not “pitching well.” This isn’t Pittsburgh or Milwaukee. Yeah, he pitched great in the NL Central. Welcome to the big leagues, CC.
Did you even follow baseball before 1998? Or was it 1996?
The Yankees have a golden chance to put away the Rays and keep Bawston down in the division.
This is a game we’re supposed to win. Our ace is on the mound, we have a chance to put to sleep a team that is in our division for good, and if we lose, we don’t lose a game in the standings.
You are a smart man miggs.
Go pick up my daughter from soccer, come back, bam, Sox up 5-2. Meanwhile, CC is no Beckett.
Buehrle working on another perfect game
lovely…
ouch
dang, looked like CC was getting his stuff together too…
“what song is it that plays when longoria comes to the plate?”
Lol I actually wondered the same thing, it’s by a band called Tantric, and the song is “down and out”.
GardnerBelongsInCenter
July 28th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
What is Goofus & Gallant?
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Goofus and Gallant is a monthly feature of the magazine “Highlights”. (Its a kids magazine). There was one brother Goofus, would do something totally backwards and made a mess. Then his brother Gallant would do the same thing the proper way. For example:
Goofus made dinner, but got distracted by the TV and burned everything
Gallant made dinner, and it was yummy and nutritious
I was thinking in my head (Well we haven’t let Longoria hurt us.”
Then I quickly thought “Shut up,y ou’ll jinx it.”
Too late.
WTTCTOHA-
Don’t waste your time typing. That guy smells like troll
Just because you don’t like someone’s opinion does not make them a troll. The guy troll or not is right. You dont pay a guy 23 million for quality starts. Remember when CC held us hostage? He held out for so much money to come here? OK, if you want to hold us hostage in contract negotiations, pitch to your contract.
4-1 now…good job Ace…
so much for momentum
“Did I fall asleep for 6 weeks again? Last I knew it was July!”
Last I checked games in July count just the same as games in September. Oh and if you looked at the schedule, you would know that the next 20 games or so will likely decide the rest of the season.
Meanwhile, the ACE gives up another run. But at least he pitched well the first two outs of the inning. Losers….
wow that was foul
that looked foul.
Yeah that was a fair ball, bad play by Swish
Wow every call going against us.
Angel -
I respect your opinion and dont disagree…
But sometimes, the only outlet for any emotion associated with the Yankees and baseball(anger mainly) is to type on here and vent.
Personally, I now despise sports and when my teams aren’t involved, I dont watch. When I get angry watching, I generally dont even come on here because I dont want to be angered any more being called gutless.
Why cant fans be supportive of one another?
Another terrible play by Swisher with a ball that was right in his glove. You can’t say the Yankees didn’t have their chance today, they had a chance for a huge rally in the 4th inning and gave it away with bad baserunning.
maybe fair.
Halladay please.
Josh Beckett >>> CC
What the heck is wrong with CC,AND JOE leaving him in to give up more runs?
ugly ugly game..
swisher should have had that// that is a 3 base error.
matsui running the bases like swisher.
jeter and arod errors.
that is 4 bad bad plays…triple, what a joke….
160 million doesn’t even buy a quality start these days
Game’s not over folks. When was the last time the Yanks were shut down all game long? They always fight back, this game will not end 4-1
Hold on-You come on here only when they’re losing to bash a pitcher who has been victimized by bad defense with a team that’s won 10 of 11 and to argue with everybody who aren’t crying about llosing, and WE’RE the losers.
Your logic is flawless.
Just a disaster from C.C. tonight. It’s up to the offense now.
Laura
July 28th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
“Personally, I do not like the scoreboard watching. If I wanted to know the Sox score, I would look myself”
I don’t start my scoreboard watching until after the ASB.
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I usually check the Sox score right before I turn off the computer. There is nothing wrong with that. I don’t hang on every pitch
Swisher just needs to open his glove in time.
Fair or foul another bad defensive play from Swisher. That’s a tough play but it’s not that tough. Hit him right in the glove. Second miscue tonight out in the field.
He really is a limited defensive player.
yea the zobrist triple(laughable) is CC’s fault..
swisher is a bricklayer….
Only Swish can run all that way get under the ball and still not catch it. What a horrible outfielder. Rios and Doc please Cash…How much longer can the Yanks go with Damon and Swish in the same outfield togther? Definitely not the rest of the season…
Bucholtz > CC
We had our chances?
The game isn’t even NEARLY over!
Swisher easily negates all runs produced at the plate with his defense. We can not have a right fielder make plays like that if we want to win a World Series. Period.
I like how Dwayne Wise got the start in Center in the ChiSox game
This game is one where CC has been victimized by bad defense. Happens.
Ajax!! boy, I wish he was ready…
Wakefield > CC
Ugly outing for CC… still waiting for that dominant game this year… Just not impressed lately with him!
Ugly, Ugly
make that DeWayne
not a great outing so far but we’re still in this game. lol @all the CC hate…some of you don’t deserve to be fans of this team and that’s real talk.
PJH
July 28th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
WTTCTOHA-
Don’t waste your time typing. That guy smells like troll
Just because you don’t like someone’s opinion does not make them a troll. The guy troll or not is right. You dont pay a guy 23 million for quality starts. Remember when CC held us hostage? He held out for so much money to come here? OK, if you want to hold us hostage in contract negotiations, pitch to your contract.
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You are absolutely right. Obviously anything less than 36-0 and an ERA of .000 is an utter failure from CC.
Do me a favor and just scroll past my posts
Just one of those games…
Although it’s far from over. Tampa Bay’s bullpen is not lights out. And the pressure is on them to beat us… They’re the ones in 3rd place.
Moron >>>> Cal
“Just because you don’t like someone’s opinion does not make them a troll. ”
No, but someone who comes to this blog and trashes the team the entire time they are here is (save for Matt). Most fans that come here waffle between praising the team and moaning when they don’t play well. 100% moaning = troll (again, except for Matt, who is a special case).
12 more outs to score 3 runs(hopefully)…definitly possible
How is CC an ACE,with a ERA higher than Joba’s,how?
Is it me? Or does Swisher make 2008 Bobby Abreu look like a good fielder?
PJH-Actually he is about average as a defender, it’s just that he has a few memorable miscues (like that) that make him seem worse.
Time to go watch some quality TV
“You don’t pay him 23 mil to give you only quality start. It’s like asking Arod to hit almost .300 and 20 hr 100rbi while paying him 30mil”
Not quite. See the other part of the equation is offense. That’s how you get the runs on the board. If your pitcher is throwing 0-2 run games (forget the 3 run games) and the team doesn’t win, it is pretty much on the offense.
I reiterate – game ain’t over yet…
Bucholtz > CC
This is a poor attempt at a joke. I hope. What has Buccholz done to make a reputation besides steal a bunch of laptops? He threw a no-hitter. OK. That is one game. Anything else?
wow the red sux troll morons are out.
they have been laying kind of low lately, I wonder why?????????????????
Maybe Swisher gave Matsui baserunning advice…4 bad plays already. bad bad plays…
should be 2 to 1 at the worst…
Is the Swisher contract moveable? I would think so.
You cant have any everyday player that hits .230 and is awful in the field. When a team plays a terrible outfielder everyday it is because he has a great bat..not this time. Too bad Gardner got hurt…
CC hasn’t had the greatest start, but he has kept his team in the game.
Doesn’t matter what he does tonight unless our offense scores more than 1 run against the ghost of Scott Kazmir.
A closer look at CC pitching record THIS year.
Out of the 10 start yankee won, the opponent were National, Met, Indian, Oriole, Blue Jay, A’s, Royal.
The other 11 start that yankee lost, the opponent were Angel, Tiger, Red sox, Oriole, Indian, Ray, Marlin, Phillies.
No, you OPPC’ers are losers because your cheerleading makes real fans want to puke. Guess what? The Yankees are not flawless. No amount of pom-pom waving can change that fact. You are losers because you constantly right off losing by saying stuff like “he’s trying hard” or “he has kept them in the game” or “he’s pitched well in most games.” Again, losers.
By the way, where’s Kazmir’s “one bad inning?” He is mowing down the highest scoring offense like it’s nothing. Again, another 6 era pitcher shutting down the offense.
Why are people jumping into panic mode?
runs runs runs please
“I usually check the Sox score right before I turn off the computer. There is nothing wrong with that. I don’t hang on every pitch”
Neither do I. I also don’t watch their games unless I have to. I don’t know how trisha does it. I can’t even stand to look at BOS when we are playing them.
“How is CC an ACE,with a ERA higher than Joba’s,how?”
its not
Kazmir killing the Yanks, he might go 7 then its pray to get to the pen.
Let’s all yell and scream because we may lose a game! OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING.
WHY DON”T WE WIN EVERY GAME!?!?!?!
don slaught>cal
I can’t take the pressure. I’m biting off all my nails and I can feel an ulcer coming on.
I forget this is a pennant race and every game is critical.
If the Yanks don’t win tonight – it’s curtains.
I’ll go hide under the bed – come get me when the Playoffs start next week and tell me if the Yanks made it in.
Swisher may be hitting 230 but his OBP is 370
c’mon arod – go deep
Yankees have undone about everything they had built up early in the game at the plate.
The guy is nearing the end of his pitch count, so let’s all swing at balls early in the count!
Someone should remind these guys that this is not the 2008 version of Scott Kazmir, this is the one who can barely top 90 and has an ERA over 6.
I don’t even mind that we’re losing this game but it makes me sick that we’re making Kazmir look so good tonight. His stuff is not good any more and he has bad command.
PJH-Actually he is about average as a defender, it’s just that he has a few memorable miscues (like that) that make him seem worse.
Swisher is undoubtedly in the running for being one of the worst outfielders in baseball. I can not imagine how the A’s and White Sox had him in center field.
or whiff…
A Rod how funny….
Will Arod ever get above the .250 range??
I’m scared. What if we lose one? That might be the one game that allows the Sox and Rays to get back into the pennant race! EVERY GAME IS A PLAYOFF GAME!!!!!!
If we ever trail in a game ever, ever again, I might just keel over in a dead faint!!!
“By the way, where’s Kazmir’s “one bad inning?” He is mowing down the highest scoring offense like it’s nothing. Again, another 6 era pitcher shutting down the offense.”
Any pitcher, regardless of how much he may suck on occasion, can muster up a good game. We’ve seen it before. A lot of these guys get themselves worked up to play the Yanks. The adrenaline carries them through. They wouldn’t be in the ML if they were complete bums. Kazmir is far from a bum. He’s a very good pitcher, who happens to be struggling this year. I expected him to suck tonight. So far, it hasn’t happened. That’s baseball.
Angel -
Also, listening to our commentators sometimes not understand an important situation in a game, and when we play Tampa, I have to watch the Tampa network, all you hear is these losers slobbering on the Red Sox.
They have an auction of some kind and they’re best item is a trip to Boston for 2 Rays-Red Sox games which might be understandable, but their other item is a plaque of Jon Lester photos signed by Lester. Not one of their many All Stars. Putred!
Be nice Terry, SJ44 will tell you A Rod has HOF numbers this year….I don’t even think A Rod is batting his weight
PJH-No, he isn’t.
Damon is far worse defensively. Swisher is about average.
Work Fast, Throw Strikes
July 28th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
No, you OPPC’ers are losers because your cheerleading makes real fans want to puke. Guess what? The Yankees are not flawless. No amount of pom-pom waving can change that fact. You are losers because you constantly right off losing by saying stuff like “he’s trying hard” or “he has kept them in the game” or “he’s pitched well in most games.” Again, losers.
By the way, where’s Kazmir’s “one bad inning?” He is mowing down the highest scoring offense like it’s nothing. Again, another 6 era pitcher shutting down the offense.
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Actually, Kazmir is known as one of the premier pitchers in the AL. He had an injury that caused some bad habits in his mechanics but he was working to fix them. He was due for a decent game.
Now, I need to change out of my cheerleading uniform and cry because you called me a loser. Should I throw out my pom-poms too???
Does anyone remember CC outdueling Verlander a couple weeks ago…?
People are in panic mode,because the supposed ACE,is giving up rubs!
IrishCarBomb July 28th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Why are people jumping into panic mode?
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the truth? b/c they don’t know baseball yet think they do. not smart fans and take baseball way too seriously. and probably projecting some issues in their personal lives onto the team and gives them a reason to release all their built up negative energy.
just sayin’
CC wasn’t great but if they lose it wasn’t really his fault. It was the defense and offense. It could very easily be 2-1 right now. All they needed was 2 throws over to 1st base. The errors really hurt them. Also Matsui getting thrown out and Posada the next batter had a hit. They look very sleepy today.
“No, you OPPC’ers are losers because your cheerleading makes real fans want to puke. Guess what? The Yankees are not flawless. No amount of pom-pom waving can change that fact.”
Not real fans since we accept our team no matter what. Good logic.
“You are losers because you constantly right off losing by saying stuff like “he’s trying hard” or “he has kept them in the game” or “he’s pitched well in most games.” Again, losers.”
Right on, write off.
Again losers because we appreciate the fact that the players are giving their best even if the results aren’t always there. Awesome logic!
I keep switching from the game to HBO real sports. The special about Jorge jr. is on. Mind you, I’ve seen this already but I’m still tearing up.
The game is not over yet, but its not a big deal if we lose tonight people!
OH MY GOD A-ROD IS A BUM!!!
HOW DARE HE NOT BE CARRYING US OFFENSIVELY IN EVERY CATEGORY!!!
I THOUGHT THAT THE HIP SURGERY MADE HIM BETTER!!!
What a completely unclutch bum!
The thing with Sabathia is that his command has been terrible lately. Even in his starts against the Tigers and A’s he was behind on every hitter.
WTTCTOHA-
Calm down. Deep breath
That play by Swisher was not an easy catch he ran a long way to try to attempt a catch. Abreu wouldn’t even made it halfway to the ball.
“People are in panic mode,because the supposed ACE,is giving up rubs!”
CC is giving out massages?
“Why cant fans be supportive of one another?”
I guess because some of us come here to get away from places and people that are full of anger and venting. That posting style is exactly what some people come here hoping to avoid.
Damon and Swisher aren’t the best but they’ll run into the wall to make the play.
Joe played favorites tonight.leaving CC in,to give up runs.
Hey we might see Melancon today!
Time to get Melancon up. Or is he not allowed to pitch in a 4-1 game? This should be his last inning, no reason to extend CC much longer. Save his arm a little since he is on the wild side all game.
Erica-HOW CAN YOU CALM DOWN AT A TIME LIKE THIS!!!
We’re LOSING!!!
The world may drift out of orbit!
“Actually, Kazmir is known as one of the premier pitchers in the AL.”
Since when is a guy who can’t get into the 7th inning in over a year considered one of the premier pitchers in the AL? Keep wasting your time ripping on ARod…sure, it’s a mere coincidence that the team has the best record in baseball since he came back. In fact, if it wasn’t for CC and his amazing record and unbelievable ERA, k/9, walk ratio, whip, and obaa then this team would be in last place! He is an ACE…he keeps his team in the game and that’s what ALL aces do!
ARod is such a clutch hitter.
He’s been on fire since he day off.
RDM- I expected Arod to at least creep up in the .280 area. He steals often, but it has been quite some time without a HR. I’m not hating on CC, but I expected more from him this year.. AJ is as advertised lately!
RS
July 28th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
The thing with Sabathia is that his command has been terrible lately. Even in his starts against the Tigers and A’s he was behind on every hitter.
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Agreed he hasn’t look very sharp since the allstar break. But he does seem to always give 7 innings I guess that is a positive.
“WHY DON”T WE WIN EVERY GAME!?!?!?!”
Because in reality we suck? How else do you explain losing a game? Huh, huh?
0-2 double
“Also, listening to our commentators sometimes not understand an important situation in a game, and when we play Tampa, I have to watch the Tampa network, all you hear is these losers slobbering on the Red Sox.”
I’m stuck with the same stupid network. Annoying, aren’t they?
I wish I had HBO. Is it just a special on Jorge Jr.?
Defense has not been good at all today.
HOW CAN CC BE AN ACE!!!
HE’S NOT HAVING A SPECATCULARLY FANTASTIC GAME EVERY TIME!!!
Every inning CC has given up a BOMB.
trisha-I like that attitude. Yes, we do suck.
That’s the way to think. Now everything good they do will pleasantly surprise us (unless it’s all luck anyway).
Work Fast, Throw Strikes
July 28th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
“Actually, Kazmir is known as one of the premier pitchers in the AL.”
Since when is a guy who can’t get into the 7th inning in over a year considered one of the premier pitchers in the AL? Keep wasting your time ripping on ARod…sure, it’s a mere coincidence that the team has the best record in baseball since he came back. In fact, if it wasn’t for CC and his amazing record and unbelievable ERA, k/9, walk ratio, whip, and obaa then this team would be in last place! He is an ACE…he keeps his team in the game and that’s what ALL aces do!
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Sorry, I cannot respond to you. I am very busy trying to change out of my cheerleading uniform and am having difficulty finding new clothes since this OPPC loser, only has cheerleading uniforms
I also might need to go to the store soon to buy tissues since I have been crying my eyes out since you called me a loser
You can also do me a favor and just scroll past my posts from this point on
“HOW CAN CC BE AN ACE!!!
HE’S NOT HAVING A SPECATCULARLY FANTASTIC GAME EVERY TIME!!!”
Halladay has a great game every time, also he never loses a BIG game.
why is arod getting abused for his offense today…
hes 1 for 3…
his defense is what has hurt today but that happens…it did to jeter…=o
Buehrle still perfect for at least 12 inninngs
Angel -
That makes sense.
What doesnt make sense is how Todd Kalas lives with himself. He is the biggest disgrace to his father.
yea al from BK the single from kapler is a bomb!!!
really do you even watch the games.
CC should sue his defense tonight for lack of support. Jeter error, arod error, swisher should have been a n error and damon with the studly throw…costs him runs and pitches.
bottom line the D tonight has stunk but according to AL from BK the Kapler hit was a bomb……..
marky m!
“I guess because some of us come here to get away from places and people that are full of anger and venting. That posting style is exactly what some people come here hoping to avoid.”
I can understand an occasional comment about some of the flaws of this team. I complain every now and then about Swisher, leaving men on base, etc. It’s the non stop, constant negativity that I don’t get. And it’s not always from trolls. That’s what I was trying to get across to Matt. If you love the team, why do you have to moan and groan all of the time? We are in first place. There has got to be something about this team that you love. If not, why are you a fan?
Hey, Melancon is warming up.
Yay Melancon up. but how rusty will he be?
Look Melancon is still on the team…I almost forgot what he looks like….
Al From BK-EXACTLY!!!
AFTER ALL, WE EXPECTED ROY HALLADAY WHEN WE GOT CC!!!
NOT TO MENTION HALLADAY NEVER EVER EVER LOSES BIG GAMES!!! EVER!!! (or plays in them, but that’s a whole other matter.
yeah Al from BK Halladay is great everygame that is why his ERA is 2 + not zero..
AL you are totally clueless, you may be the dumbest poster here and that is saying much….
If Joe allows this over weight joke of a ACE back out in the 7th,expect to lose.
Pete,
Marte allowed 1 HR in 18.1 IP for the Yankees last season. He was hurt all season after the WBC, you can’t judge him on that. When healthy, Marte is a huge addition to the pen.
.206 BAA last year with the Yankees. His ERA was inflated by that one game in which Girardi left him in to throw nearly 50 pitches against Texas and he served up that walk off grand slam in a tie game.
Even Tex is looking mortal today
oh wow, ok if Tex makes an error you really know its not our nite!
wow what tough luck..
Here’s a far out notion. CC is allowed to have down nights.
It looked like Tex had him out to me.
He’s out!
Crappy call.
Even thought it didn’t make the out, that was great by Tex.
Teixeira was stuck in first gear.
5-1
nothing going our way tonight so far…
rats
Another ball hit very hard. When CC isn’t even pitching well why does he still have to throw over 100 pitches?
This is the situation I worried about. Melancon is up and may be pitching in a fairly close game. Would have been nice if he could have worked the rust out yesterday so you’d feel a bit more confident in bringing him in today.
Will be a very tough situation if he gets in the game.
At least Teixeira saved a double.
Solid outing from the Ace. Roy Halladay does this all the time, no worries. Same with Beckett. It’s always good to have your “ace” with a higher era then your 23 year old “5th” starter, right?
These sick losers on Tampa’s network:
Every play made by the defense is a great play. That play by Bartlett was great hustle, when all he did was run to 1st base like he would any other time. The real great effort came from Tex on that play.
Thanks to Damon’s noodle arm another run scores.
“the truth? b/c they don’t know baseball yet think they do. not smart fans and take baseball way too seriously. and probably projecting some issues in their personal lives onto the team and gives them a reason to release all their built up negative energy.
just sayin’ ”
We have a winner!
You don’t even need a score update in any given game when the blog is littered by the consistent stupidity displayed by Matt, CaptainsCorner & numerous others.
It’s rather amusing, you can almost set your watch to it.
Why is Sabathia still in the game? He’s been getting hit hard and is over 100 pitches. We need to save his arm for games in which the Yanks have a close lead, not a 4 run deficit.
I said this last game and people said I was worried too much – but there’s something wrong with CC.
This just doesn’t make sense. He’s been an extreme control pitcher for several years now.
And his fastball command just isn’t there. He turned it around in that Detroit game but he’s just struggling with every hitter up there.
His fastball doesn’t have it’s usual life.
His slider is generally considered one of the best sliders in all of baseball. It just doesn’t have that snap it usually does.
I know his velocity is fine – but his command is poor and his pitches don’t have the life they’ve had in the past.
There’s something wrong with his arm. It may just be persistent soreness but something is going on with his arm.
well, hopefully we get all our bad defensive plays out of the way in this game
There’s a difference between being a fan and being absolutely in love with everything anyone on the team ever does.
Just as there is the extreme of being critical of guys, so is there the extreme of “can do no wrong” as well. Extremism is bad in all cases, so don’t act like one is completely unacceptable while the other makes you a “true fan.”
5-1? wow – not CC’s night. We really need for this guy to get on a roll, but he just hasn’t been able to. Plus, Kazmir’s obviously pitching well. I don’t care about the offense so much – hey, it’s a bad game – but CC does concern me.
“Why is Sabathia still in the game? He’s been getting hit hard and is over 100 pitches. We need to save his arm for games in which the Yanks have a close lead, not a 4 run deficit.”
I’m sure that this is his last inning.
Halladay has never pitched a big game in his life, and CC’s numbers over the last three years are better than Halladay’s. Hate to burst your bubble, Al.
Work Fast, Throw Strikes July 28th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Solid outing from the Ace. Roy Halladay does this all the time, no worries. Same with Beckett. It’s always good to have your “ace” with a higher era then your 23 year old “5th” starter, right?
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wow, you’re sarcasm is so cool. where did you learn to rock the sarcasm like that? was it apex tech? did you call them?
“trisha-I like that attitude. Yes, we do suck.
That’s the way to think. Now everything good they do will pleasantly surprise us (unless it’s all luck anyway).”
I hope bod is here just in case my prophesy about Melancon pitching today or tomorrow comes true!
Can CC have one BIG game this year for the money he is getting paid?
Hello Joe get him out. Too many pitches.
Why is he throwing 110 pitches when hes down 4 runs.
Seriously now, CC doesn’t concern me. He’ll get on a roll.
“Why is Sabathia still in the game? He’s been getting hit hard and is over 100 pitches. We need to save his arm for games in which the Yanks have a close lead, not a 4 run deficit.”
I don’t understand it. Girardi really leaves pitchers out there way too long when they are visibly tired.
It’s really concerning.
Swish is a joke
Who are these people and what did they do with the New York Yankees?
swisher is easily the worst RF in the history of the world
“Halladay has never pitched a big game in his life, and CC’s numbers over the last three years are better than Halladay’s. Hate to burst your bubble, Al.”
Halladay beats the Sox. Swisher needs to get benched. Let’s see Melancon.
Wow, a sloppy game so far.
CC has pitched to some terrible luck today….just horrible horrible defense..come on swish wth is that
Game over.
Terrible play by Swisher and terrible job by Girardi leaving CC in so long.
Can anyone play defense is the outfield besides Melky???
Freakin’ dinks and dunks all over the field. One of “those” games for sure.
Yankees just having a very unpretty game tonight.
It happens.
It happens.
Nick Swisher again with one of the worst plays you will ever see. You have to get down and block it rather than lazily waiting for it to bounce, period, regardless of the “spin” on it and other such excuses.
I don’t know how Girardi plays this guy every day over Hinske right now. Who cares how high his OBP is if he gives away runs both in the field and on the bases?
cc is such a toad/troll.
10-7 record for a #1 can’t be anything to write home about really.. I see it as it is!
He does not field the ball cleanly. No way you start Swisher in the playoffs. Otherwise he’ll cost you in a tight game. I’d go Gardner CF Melky in RF.
I can understand an occasional comment about some of the flaws of this team. I complain every now and then about Swisher, leaving men on base, etc. It’s the non stop, constant negativity that I don’t get. And it’s not always from trolls.
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Yep, Laura thats exactly what I meant. Its just really wearing.
Jim, just so you know, I wasn’t thinking of anything you’ve ever posted when I used the word gutless to describe some comments on here either.
Well, everyone wanted Melancon to get a chance to pitch. Guess the Yankees wanted to make y’all happy.
Hope he has a decent outing.
Every misplay is a run with these speedy Rays.
Bad, sloppy game by CC & defense.
Is this a game Melancon can get in?
All right guys. I’ll play Dr. Phil. Let’s vent.
Is it just me or are guys really bad at handling losses? I just laughed at swish’s misplay ( cause really, its that kind of night) and my brother barked at me and said “ITS NOT FUNNY”. (uh sorry?)
Sabathia has pitched a horrible game.
The Yanks can not play Swish in the outfield everyday anymore. He is absolutely horrible and his light hitting does not make up for all of his bone headed plays.
Again, how is Swisher even considered an “average” outfielder? Does the OPPC hand out rose-colored glasses at its paddle-whacking initiation? You people are losers.
Mark Buehrle no-no through four…
Ack… sloppy game for the most part defensively tonight.
Matt
July 28th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
There’s a difference between being a fan and being absolutely in love with everything anyone on the team ever does.
Just as there is the extreme of being critical of guys, so is there the extreme of “can do no wrong” as well. Extremism is bad in all cases, so don’t act like one is completely unacceptable while the other makes you a “true fan.”
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Matt,
I understand your point of view. And while, I may not always agree with your opinion- you speak in an informed manner.
I know I appear to be “a cheerleader”, but I come from the mindset of “if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything”. I am not just like this in sports. I am like this in my life. There are many times I am watching the game and something bad happens and I will curse or throw something, but I will not ever come on here and bash the team because that is just not productive. I would rather stay quiet than bother everyone with my complaints. Especially when complaining on a blog about a bad play is completely futile
melancon for that a$$
What other pitcher,has Joe allowed to give up 5 runs,and come out for another inning?
it’s Bad Defense Night at the Trop
“Seriously now, CC doesn’t concern me. He’ll get on a roll.”
Absolutely.
Meanwhile, Al from BK, you said you were turning the game off 4 innings ago.
“There’s a difference between being a fan and being absolutely in love with everything anyone on the team ever does. ”
Matt, that’s a load of bull. I don’t do that and neither do many of the other regulars. Just the other day, someone was ragging on me for criticizing Cano’s RISP numbers. I complain every now and then. You, sir complain 100% of the time you are here. There’s a difference and the fact that you can’t see that makes me feel bad for you.
Will be interesting to see how Melancon looks after not pitching for so long….
CC wasn’t great tonight but the defense didn’t help him out much. Bad plays by Jeter, A-Rod and a couple by Swisher. And even Teixeira couldn’t snag the linr.
Well, looks like my fears of Melancon pitching in a close game were unfounded.
Halladay ERA vs. Boston is 4.33. Vs. Angels is 4.32. Keep making stuff up, Al.
This game is critical.
If you want to win the World Series you need to win on July 28. You can look it up.
You need to go way way back to 2006 to find a team that lost on July 28 and then somehow miraculously gone on to win the big one.
You just can’t give games away in the middle of the big July pennant race. They are only 62 more to play. Each one is precious – but July 28 is critical.
If only the Yankee players realized how critical July 28 was maybe they would play with a greater sense of urgency.
This game has been littered by mental and physical mistakes. If we come back to win this game, that woulde the end of the Rays hopes of cathing us…
But, according to the Tampa guys in an attempt to slobber the Sox, the Yankees and Sox lead this division
For that matter, so do the Rays and the Jays lead this division. The only team not leading is the O’s.
Matt July 28th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
There’s a difference between being a fan and being absolutely in love with everything anyone on the team ever does.
Just as there is the extreme of being critical of guys, so is there the extreme of “can do no wrong” as well. Extremism is bad in all cases, so don’t act like one is completely unacceptable while the other makes you a “true fan.”
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sorry but that’s BS. just b/c people don’t type their criticisms, don’t mean they don’t have any. but those that JUST type criticism makes them look like a troll.
this realist vs homer stuff is c r a p. you can’t be perfect every night. they’ve WON ALOT lately, but the minute they play bad, guys pile on simply forgetting all the good they’ve been doing for weeks.
it’s basically ridiculous and idiotic. you can take offense to that if you want but it truly is. expecting perfection is STUPID. expecting championship every single year is STUPID. that’s not how sports works.
“Will Arod ever get above the .250 range??”
If they win 95 games, will you care?
Alex is helping the team win despite his “stats”.
Isn’t that what people have been begging him to do for years?
Thanks for the update on Marte, Pete. Members of this blog seem to think he is one of the answers like they thought Bruney was an answer. We seem to have a lot of good fans here but they don’t know that much about the players. Just optimism.
Marte has not had any success with the Yankees. We desperately need to trade for a reliever as Hughes, Coke and Aceves are getting taxed.
Man Buehrle looks automatic
Game over, Anthony?
I remember against the Angels back before I started posting frequently people said game over when we were down by five in the 8th. Somebody who’s name I can’t recall called a win. They won that game.
I call a win.
Now, that’s efficiency
Good thing Girardi didn’t use Melancon yesterday he is going to have to pitch a couple of innings tonight.
OMG the season is over!!!!!!
I’m sure the usual pack of “fans” has declared one loss a sign of the apocalypse.
I choose not to read.
Only Girardi would let CC throw over 110 pitches in a game like this. It amazes me that they never try to save bullets in his arm. I really do not think he is 100% healthy. Just amazing..
Yanks will come back to win this one…A-Rod leading the way…just watch.
The yankees got serious issues in the outfield. Every time I watch damon and swisher play I’m constantly holding my breath hoping that neither one of them drops the damn ball. This is beginning to get ridiculous.
Who’s fatter, CC or Shaq?
Its hard to watch a game like this, but its baseball. This game is far from over tho.
Yep, Joe’s handling of the pitchers concerns me. The problem is that he feels he has to win – he’s so desperate, that he will put winning ahead of maybe other concerns. Now I’m starting to worry about CC – and who knows about Phil? Aceves is now fagtigued, possibly due to overuse – who else is next?
How does Swisher not get an error on his last play? I mean, that’s how I field a ball, groping after it and not being able to pick it up cleanly. That’s why that 6th run scored. that’s an error.
Angel –
I agree with everything you said
I curse like a sailor when watching the games, I just don’t bring it to the blog.
A manager with guts right now would yank Swisher and put in Hinske. Sometimes you have to make a statement, and Swisher’s botching of routine plays in a nonchalant fashion needs to stop.
If you keep playing the guy every day despite making fundamental mistakes, how do you expect respect from guys who pride themselves on fundamentals and hustle, such as Jeter, A-Rod, and Teixeira?
Girardi is a smart guy, but you wonder if he’s grown too attached to certain guys in a way not unlike…
JOE TORRE
The corner outfield defense is really atrocious. It’s not something you feel comfortable with in the playoffs. Games are tight and it’s going to cost them.
“Meanwhile, Al from BK, you said you were turning the game off 4 innings ago.”
Kinda like a train wreck, I can’t look away. Also I want to see Melancon.
“You people are losers.”
You are spending your time here with us. What does that make you? You are a troll, which in my book is worse than a loser.
Jim Pir-one
July 28th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Angel –
I agree with everything you said
****
This is a beautiful LoHud moment. Fans being supportive of each other!
seriously pete, the whining around here is just EPIC
Why have you forsaken us, Pete?
plenty of game left people
Al,
He shut down the Tigers, a first place team, down in his first game back after the ASB? That game doesn’t count? Only the losses count, right?
Don’t join the crybabies posting nonsensical gibberish.
Nick Swisher is just a very, very bad defensive player. Three more miscues tonight.
He’s a 4th OF forced to play everyday and his flaws show the more and more he plays.
Gotta live with for now but, when the ball finds him in the OF its usually with bad results.
Time for Joba to step up tomorrow and give them a well pitched game.
Bad night all around for the boys. Its an easy one to forget.
Welp.
I’m not saying the game is over but you can’t expect to sweep the Rays. Kazmir looks great and CC had a tough game.
Even if the lose tonight the Yanks go for the series win tomorrow. Not bad
Sabatha threw 109 pitches that is not a ridiculous amount. Girardi was probably hoping he could get out of the 6th inning.
Irish Johnny July 28th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Who’s fatter, CC or Shaq?
your mom
Can’t win them all, but sometimes its the way you lose that pains me. We really can’t shoot ourselves in the foot. We need to always focus on being sound defensively regardless of our offense and our beefy record.
Lohud whining is like music. It means things are as they should be.
If lohud didnt whine when the Yanks trailed, I’d worry.
“If they win 95 games, will you care?”
I will care cause 95 wins doesn’t garantee a playoff spot in this division.
swishers defense proves that all these zone rating programs are BS.
swisher is a total hack in the outfield. that is about 5 horrible plays tonight; just to remind the einsteins like terry and al from bk; jeter and arod error, 2 swisher should have been errors, and the matsui swisher like baserunning faux paux…
so terry from NH has decided tonight is a big game….WOW. How about tommorrow or the day after? How about next weds???
Clown
“This game is critical.
If you want to win the World Series you need to win on July 28. You can look it up. ”
DT, you are making my sides hurt.
Swisher is a player who is not bad but makes every attempt to make it seem like he’s bad.
Some memorable outfield miscues make him seem worse than he is.
horrible defense, Swisher looked lost in RF on several plays tonight
Look on the bright side – Melancon will get work
My cockamamie theory is the Yankees are throwing this game in order to raise Kazmir’s trade value so they never have to face him again.
Hopefully, Kazmir will be a Met again by Friday night.
When a starting pitcher has an outing this bad,it stuns the bats.Back to 1.5 folks.Thanks to the big $161,000,000.joke!
ooo – an outfielder that can catch the ball… wonder what that’s like…
I’m just waiting for Longoria to barehand a liner now.
Tomorrow will be a tough one to win as well.
But Joba’s been pitching well lately. So let’s see.
Every team has a clunker once in a while and tonight is the Yankees turn. Other than the great DP early in the game, the defense stunk. CC labored. Swisher is a terrible outfielder.
One thing the Rays have is an excellent defensive team.
“I will care cause 95 wins doesn’t garantee a playoff spot in this division.”
Bingo. If the Rays win tomorrow, it is only 6 games out for them. Not insurmountable by any stretch.
Sox acuqire Brian Anderson
acquire
LOL Erica. All we need is PB Johnny Damon in the circle and we can all sing Kumbaya.
I really hope the Yankees bring in a speedy outfielder soon.
I thought this was the game to get to win the series….Joba can be a toss up, has been great the last 2 starts…we’ll see
How else is Girardi supposed to manage? Of course he has to manage to win. And in the AL East that means every single game.
He does not have Aceves tonight and he has Joba going tomorrow. He had to keep CC in for as long as he could get away with. the bullpen has to last 2 nights.
Watching Swish in RF tonight is going to make Cash call JP and make the Rios/Halladay deal.
Thank You Swish…I just hope it doesn’t hurt too much.
Brian Anderson went to Boston for Mark Kotsay, just saying
LOL Robi
“I choose not to read.”
Which probably makes you the smartest of us all Pete.
Garza is probably the Rays best pitcher.
“Halladay has never pitched a big game in his life, and CC’s numbers over the last three years are better than Halladay’s. Hate to burst your bubble, Al.”
Halladay last 3 year average 3.23era 230inning pitched overall record 52-23
CC 3.06era 228inning 48-28
Can’t believe people actually wanted Swisher to start over Nady. I mean Nady isn’t great defensively either but he’s GG compared to Swisher.
LOL DT. Your sarcasm is endearing. I mean that in the nicest possible way.
Swisher said that he could play CF if need be.
To that, I say:
GOD PLEASE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
FYI….last time Kazmir pitched 7 IP….July 21, 2008.
Over a year folks…yet the NYY can let him do it against them.
Buhrle 1 out shy of record for perfect innings