How does this all impact the Yankees?
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2009 
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So the Mariners are now inexplicably buyers and as J.P. Ricciardi dithered, the Phillies pounced on Cliff Lee.
What does this mean for the Yankees?
• Now that the Indians are selling, Boston could make a move on Victor Martinez. I don’t see where they would prod the Yankees into doing anything.
• But if Boston decides it must have Roy Halladay, the Yankees will have to at least get in the mix somehow. I personally would do Joba and Jesus Montero for him, but that’s just me.
• Apparently Jarrod Wasburn isn’t going anywhere. Seattle does know it has a -44 run differential, right? Or did the Mariners just decide they needed a shortstop?
“I personally would do Joba and Jesus Montero for him, but that’s just me.”
Agreed, but do you think that would be enough to get the job done?
It makes me feel a whole lot better knowing Gammons isnt a HOF
Pete, I can’t think of an available player for whom I would give up Joba and Montero.
Do not let the Red Sox get Halladay…the Yankees must trade for him if the Red Sox are planning on it, its the only way we stay on top in the division.
If anything, it drives the price for Halladay down. The Phils gave up a good amount for Lee but not what they offered the Jays for Halladay. If the Yanks can put together a package that doesn’t include Joba or Hughes to get Doc, they need to do it. It wouldn’t suprise me if Cashman is working on something big. He tends to be pretty quiet about potential trades.
1:43pm: Ricciardi tells Sherman he expects to keep Halladay through 2010 and try to win next year.
Joba AND Montero? Why stop there?… maybe they’ll bite if we throw in McAllister, Jackson, Romine, Melancon and Robertson too?.. we can’t take any chances.
And wouldn’t it be fun to watch Montero tear up the AL for the next two decades, doing his best Albert Pujols impersonation, and getting to hear Michael Kay say “..and now here’s the great Jesus Montero hitting…as everyone knows, the Yankees had this guy in their farm system and somehow traded him…”
just reposting but ATTENTION! ATTENTION! Peter Gammons is NOT, I repeat NOT, a hall of famer! He won the Spink Award! Hall of Famers don’t win the hall of fame award, they voted INTO the hall of fame!
thank you
You dont put two of Hughes, Joba & Jesus in any one deal.
Hey Pete, you suggested the other day that the Yankees were interested in Scott Downs, has there been any chatter about a deal possibly involving Downs and Halladay?
Is it possible Snell was brought into to replace Washburn in the rotation post trade deadline, pete?
remember Wash is a FA and Snell is not
Montero has to be an untouchable. One of Joba or Hughes is not, both is, Montero is.
Toronto wants a shortstop also, Pete, would you add Pena to the deal?
the jays are under 0 pressure to trade halladay, and the deadline for their deal was yesterday, so it’s time to stop talking about it.
Winners are not considered to be members of the Hall. They are not “inducted” or “enshrined”, but are permanently recognized in an exhibit at the Hall’s library. For several years in the early 2000s, Spink Award honorees became life members of the Veterans Committee, which elects players whose eligibility for BBWAA consideration has ended, and is also the sole body that elects non-players for induction into the Hall. Starting with elections for induction in 2008, voting on the main Veterans Committee, which now selects only players whose careers began in 1943 or later, was restricted to Hall of Fame members. Spink Award honorees are eligible for selection to the Veterans Committee panels that elect non-players and players whose careers began before 1943.
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Die Peter Gammons Die >:(
Here’s who is in “Guess the Line Up” so far:
Ho Hype, WTTCTOHA, Andrew, Hokiehill, IDCWYT, Andrew33, NYY626 (same)
Ramey
Bronx Jeers
86w183
Update Kate
Keep posting your line ups until 3:40 to get in on today’s round!!!!
*** Bru your submission was missing positions. Please repost
I agree Rich – Snell is there to replace Washburn.
“And wouldn’t it be fun to watch Montero tear up the AL for the next two decades, doing his best Albert Pujols impersonation, and getting to hear Michael Kay say “..and now here’s the great Jesus Montero hitting…as everyone knows, the Yankees had this guy in their farm system and somehow traded him…”
Kenny H:
Tell me you did not just compare Montero to Pujols!! The guy has never even seen a major league pitch. Now I’ve heard it all.
I think giving up Joba and Jesus is crazy. If you were not giving Joba up for Johan, why give him up for Halladay? Think about it. We will be facing Joba and Montero for the next 15 years when Halladay is off in retirement somewhere. Too much long term loss for a short term gain. Plus the fact that he is not signed and they wont give us a negotiation window. Yeah, we need to pass on this.
Brandon… I’M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY
July 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
1:43pm: Ricciardi tells Sherman he expects to keep Halladay through 2010 and try to win next year.
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Oh crap. Does this mean next year we get a repeat of this episode?
“the jays are under 0 pressure to trade halladay, and the deadline for their deal was yesterday, so it’s time to stop talking about it.”
That deadline was a farce…JP himself is still talking about it, which is why all the media talking heads are still buzzing about it.
Montero has the type of bat that he could potentially be a Mike Piazza. DO NOT TRADE HIM.
Tell me you did not just compare Montero to Pujols!! The guy has never even seen a major league pitch. Now I’ve heard it all.
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he said Pujols IMPERSONATION. Maybe it was a bad one.
Erica:
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Canó 2B
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
Molina C
“Die Peter Gammons Die”
I agree that Gammons is an overrated blowhard but … he did our boy A-Rod a gift/pass in the “interview” with the steroids admission. he is a shill for all of baseball, not just the Red Sox.
“It wouldn’t suprise me if Cashman is working on something big. He tends to be pretty quiet about potential trades.”
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Jay T, I agree. I expect him to come up with something really nice that’s not on anybody’s radar. That’s Cashman’s M.O.
The biggest reason I don’t expect him to get Holliday is because it would cause him to beg Hal to increase payroll. He played that card with Tex and in return for Hal’s OK, Cash promised not to come back with another request to add payroll during the season. Cash has to keep his word to Hal, otherwise he loses long term trust and credibility with the team’s owner. I am certain that Cash will not do that.
This just in: Jesus Montero’s bat possibly Mike Piazza, Yankees investigating turning Yogi Berra into glove and chest protector.
The Pirates are paying all but 400K on both Wilson and Snell’s salaries for the remainder of the year.
Just remember folks, your untouchables and teams untouchables are two entirely different lists.
Pete,
I agree completely. That’s a tough deal to make but I do it.
We’re all in the “Jesus Montero is the greatest prospect in Yankee History” mode, but if the Yankees trade him they would be dealing from a great position of depth in the farm system.
With Romine, Cervelli, Higi, and Sanchez, waiting in the wings, it just makes sense to deal from a loaded deck if it can get you the best pitcher in baseball.
If you’re picking between Joba and Hughes, you pick the one that has the best chance of staying healthy long term.
With his mechanics and build, I say that is Hughes.
Throw in a lesser third prospect and do the deal.
1:43pm: Ricciardi tells Sherman he expects to keep Halladay through 2010 and try to win next year.
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports.....hinks.html
“I think giving up Joba and Jesus is crazy. If you were not giving Joba up for Johan, why give him up for Halladay? Think about it. We will be facing Joba and Montero for the next 15 years when Halladay is off in retirement somewhere. Too much long term loss for a short term gain. Plus the fact that he is not signed and they wont give us a negotiation window. Yeah, we need to pass on this.”
Joba wasnt in the Santana deal…….twins wanted Hughes, Kennedy and Melky
“I personally would do Joba and Jesus Montero for him, but that’s just me.”
That’s actually surprising.
I don’t know why The M’s coveted Jack Wilson. But I heard they wanted him a couple of weeks ago.
I still think they sell Washburn.
Pete: Given what the Phillies gave up for Lee, and that Ricciardi has lost a ton of leverage, Joba and Montero is, in my mind, too much.
If the Yankees are getting in on it just because the Sox are, then it’s all for the wrong reasons.
Stars are aligning for the Yanks to jump in at the last minute and scoop up Halladay. I agree with Pete, but would go with Joba, Romine, Pena and another good pitching prospect. I will not give up Montero.
“Oh crap. Does this mean next year we get a repeat of this episode?”
I think it means we will have this long, grueling episode continue into the winter and through the first half of next season. The Jays still won’t compete in 2010 so yeah, if he doesn’t go now, “Roy Halladay rumors” could become the baseball equivalent of “Brett Favre retirement watch”.
I agree with Joba and Montero for Halladay. When Joba reaches his innings limit and only pitches 2 or 3 games in September and NO starts in the playoffs you’ll be wishing you had a horse like Halladay instead. All you Joba huggers need to remember his innings limit. If Cashman sticks to that limit who pitches for us then?
The cost to acquire Halladay just went down today. I totally can see JP taking his toys off the table and stomping away.
Theo and Cash smell blood but neither will overpay. The market just set by Philly w/the Lee trade is a buyers market. Young in control Cy Young winner for 4 decent, not top, prospects.
I don’t think JP can back to his fanbase and owners with a similar deal.
The only thing I see is if Milwaukee offers Gamel or Alcides Escobar, they will get Halladay provided he doesn’t block a trade there. Also, the Dodgers still have the prospects to do it.
Hell, the Phillies still have the prospects to get Halladay since they apparently didn’t give any of the one’s up for Lee Toronto wanted for Halladay, lol.
As for the Blue Jays contending next year, I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.
What did the Phils give up for Lee, and just curious, what would it have taken for NY to match it?
lol @ Ricciardi. He’s going to try win next year? How can he not accomodate Doc? I’d be pissed.
Either he’s crazy, or he has a gentlemen’s agreement already in place.
Next thing you know you’re going to hear a lot about the Dodgers and Doc.
SJ is right that the Phillies are the favorite in the NL, the Dodgers may feel the need to make a counter-move.
Now all the Japanese sports papers are talking about Matsuzaka being bashed by Boston media. He is misunderstood, but leaking what he and his boss discussed about was a huge mistake.
I do agree with Pete. If Yanks can get Joba and Jesus Montero for Mr. Roy Halladay, they should definitely in the mix; they can’t let the BoSox have him, or at least help raise the price up.
I said it before, I’ll say it again..
Jon Garland or Doug Davis would be more than serviceable as a #4 or #5 starter.. How much could it possibly take to get either of them?
You only need 4 starters in the Playoffs anyway. I’ll go to battle with AJ, CC, Andy, Joba.. Or put Joba in the bullpen during the Playoffs and throw Garland in there. Are you telling me Jon Garland, who has won a ring, can’t give us 5 or 6 innings?
Just for fun, I’m reposting with a minor change:
Fun with lineups, we can debate then:
Earle Combs RF
Derek Jeter SS
Babe Ruth DH
Lou Gehrig 1b
Joe Dimmagio CF
Mickey Mantle LF
A-Rod 3b
Yogi Berra C
Joe Gordon 2b
Starter: Whitey Ford
Bench: Don Mattingly, Tony Lazerri
Make it Joba and Austin Jackson instead of Jesus, throw in a lower-level prospect or two and I do it. and the Jays would probably take it.
My thoughts:
1) I do not trust a quiet Brian Cashman. Quiet Brian Cashman means something is cooking
2) I think Toronto is wisely playing the Yanks and Sox against each other
3) The Sox are being too vocal. I think they are bluffing
I’m out here in So Cal and I’m hearing Heath Bell is a lock to be a Yankee before the day is over.
If the Dodgers offer Clayton Kershaw they would probably get Halladay.
Ricciardi’s never going to get that “wow” offer he’s looking for…
I expect JP to walk away, Doc loves Toronto btw, loves it, his ownership another story. He’s likely staying in Toronto.
i am not trading joba or jesus for anybody
Roger Maris-I would not trade both Hughes and Joba, and wouldn’t come close to Montero. I would however trade one of the 2 and anybody else about.
Jon Garland or Doug Davis would be more than serviceable as a #4 or #5 starter.. How much could it possibly take to get either of them?
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Doug Davis sucks. More hits than IP, 4.5 walks per 9, and a 1.49 WHIP.
Garland sucks harder. WAY more hits than IP. 3.5 walks per 9, and a 1.45 WHIP, and way less strike outs
Sergio mitre walks no one, but has given up hits, but that is also a product of luck, as he has a really good GB rate.
Sergio Mitre is roughly equivalent to Doug davis or Garland
Brandon,
Peter Gammons and JP are very, very close. Personal friends, as well as business associates.
Of course JP is going to say that. What else can he say now that his best leverage for doing the deal just went out the window?
I heard Paul Beeston, the owner of the Jays, say the other day that “Doc wants to win and we will look to help him”.
Quick story about Beeston and how he treats players…..
When the Yankees were in on David Cone, the GM’s got into a battle over the players involved in the deal…..
Gene Michael wanted to do the deal….
Yankee minor league people did not want to give up “can’t miss” prospect Marty Janzsen. It got UGLY between departments in the Yankee front office.
George flew to Toronto to meet with Beeston and nobody in the Yankee organization had any idea he was in Toronto….
David Cone then made a personal appeal to Beeston to trade him to the Yankees. Beeston LOVED Cone the way he loves Halladay.
Beeston tells George, if Janzsen is included in the deal its a go. George said, “done” and then told his people to do the deal.
32 year old David Cone when to the Yankees for “can’t miss” prospects. How did that turn out for the Yankees?
PRPaulyMike
July 29th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
I’m out here in So Cal and I’m hearing Heath Bell is a lock to be a Yankee before the day is over.
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IF that’s true that sounds much more liek the skelth Brian Cashman we all know
Hey any good bars in Toronto? What are the speed limits?
Sox bowing out of the Halladay sweepstakes. Good day, even if he doesn’t come here.
I’m one that wants Halladay on this team but giving up that much on a year and half rental is rough. I don’t know about that. I’d only be for that if they could get a contract extention.
Not that I trust Sherman but I don’t mind Doc staying in Canada to try and make a run in 2010.
Go for it you crazy Jays!
Also, I thought Halladay was “emotionally shut off” or something.
A-Rod 3b
I’d take Graig Nettles or Clete Boyer at third over A-Roid. Chokes in clutch and stats are inflated. nettles the better glove by far.
“I’m out here in So Cal and I’m hearing Heath Bell is a lock to be a Yankee before the day is over.”
To all you posting all the Olney tweets:
mlbtraderumors ESPN’s Buster Olney is not on Twitter. If you see a Tweet from him, it’s fake. 4 minutes ago from web
“Pete, I can’t think of an available player for whom I would give up Joba and Montero.”
I wouldn’t give up Montero for any player not named Pujols. I know Montero is only 19 and unproven but he’s putting up unprecedented numbers for a Yankee prospect. Let’s see what a homegrown position player does here for a change instead of watching them at Yankee Stadium in another city’s road greys.
i would not do joba and jesus for halladay nor do they need to…
cliff lee and ben franciso got 2nd tier prospects. how on earth is joba of less value then kyle drabek, they are 1 year apart in age…………..
joba and the best minor league pure hitter for halladay is to much…montero is a pujols type player…..albert friggin pujols……………….
joba is not just a prospect, did you all see his last 2 starts????
no trading of any stud pitcher for halladay especially hughes or joba else you still are short pitching….
no trading any of the big 4; hughes, joba, ajax, or montero anyone else is availabel.BTW yanks need to add a outfielder before todays game, man did they look old and slow last night..we miss gardner already…………..
i think that Joba at 23 represents a far better deal for Toronto than does Bucholtz who may have been a flash 2 yrs ago. My thought is that yanks should trade Joba and Cabrera and possible Austin for Halliday and Welles. Welles is grossly overpaid, but assuming he can continue at .280 with 25 hrs and 90 rbi, he’s an excellent defensive cf.
Jerkface,
Exactly. Mitre is better than both of them for much less money. Not a name but the same kind of arm. You never pay big money for nothing special arms.
I don’t mind Doc staying in Toronto either……..I don’t blame Doc if he is pissed off at this point, but there’s unfortunately nothing he can do about it.
Stealth Cash – get a pitcher and an OF
“To all you posting all the Olney tweets:
mlbtraderumors ESPN’s Buster Olney is not on Twitter. If you see a Tweet from him, it’s fake. 4 minutes ago from web”
Hahaha, his tweets have been posted here all day!
Ed Price of AOL FanHouse reports that the Reds acquired Wladimir Balentien from the Mariners for righty Robert Manuel
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i guess the M’s are selling
“I’m one that wants Halladay on this team but giving up that much on a year and half rental is rough. I don’t know about that. I’d only be for that if they could get a contract extention.”
When haven’t the Yankees re-signed someone that they wanted back? This rental excuse is BS. I do not want the Yankees to trade guys like Hughes or Montero for Halladay but I don’t think the rental excuse is a good reason. If he comes here and pitches well, he would be a Yankee for the rest of his career.
SJ, I would say Janzen is nowhere near what Joba or Hughes could be.
Graig Nettles is the better glove, though not by far. A-Rod’s stats are not inflated at all and he is by VERY far the better bat. He’s also been ultra clutch this year. A-Rod please.
Again, Yanks are likely favorites to get Halliday as a free agent on 2011.
Why give up Joba and Montero now for 18 months? Let the Sox trade away Lester, Bucholtz plus Anderson etc to get him.
Cash Money is looking at Rick Downs, is my guess…
That’s the second reporter who got scammed by fake Twitter posts.
The dangers of the new information age.
“All you Joba huggers need to remember his innings limit. If Cashman sticks to that limit who pitches for us then?”
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Roger Maris, it’s not about this year. My opposition to trading Joba & Montero is about what I project that they are likely to do in the future. If we have to deal with Joba’s innings limitations this year, we deal with it.
The Yankees may not NEED Roy Halladay in 2011.
This is why Twitter is just adding to the psychosis around the trading deadline. People are just legitimately making all kinds of mischief on there as it pertains to trades and trade rumors and all that. I expect it will get worse tomorrow and Friday as the deadline actually approaches. I would take a two-source confirmation approach to any rumor or piece of news that floats out there between now and Friday.
So the Philles get Lee and Francisco for a package that has no top 25 type prospects, and you want to give up 2 to get Halladay? There has never been a deal that required two top guys like that. Never.
Dear Brian Cashman,
Hi, I’m a Yankee Fan. You and Stick built the teams that spoiled me in my younger years, from about 1996-2003 to be exact. We haven’t been to a world series in 6 years. All of my friends think that I’m a loser, because the last time we won the WS was in 2000, and their favorite team, the Red Sox, have destroyed us recently.
If possible, I would like for you to want to win. Do whatever it takes Brian(I hope that we are on a first name basis now, after all, I have watched you and your teams for 15 years now). Just whatever you do, don’t trade Montero…he makes us fans happy!!
Sincerely,
Joe
PittsburghYankeeFan, Cash Money has already fired Rick Downs once in his tenure. He is definitely not looking at him again. Now, Scott Downs? That’s another story
“Cash Money is looking at Rick Downs, is my guess…”
Isn’t he a hitting coach. I think you meant Scott Downs.
Jim Callis said that if the Sox wanted Doc, they could put together a better package than the Yankees……………I’d like to know how, lol.
Brandon,
He was to people in the Yankees organization at that time.
Just as Brandon Claussen was a few years later.
My point is, not every prospect is the next big thing.
The Yankees need a pitcher and if the deal works out that they can get Doc, they are going to pull the trigger. regardless of how fans feel about the kids.
At this point trading either Joba or Hughes for Doc is two steps forward and one step back.
Joba and Hughes aren’t “prospects” anymore for the Yanks.
They are integral parts to the team right now.
Trading say Joba for Doc would still mean that the yankees are a starter short.
How does that help?
Doc’s value to the yankees is only truly unlocked if they don’t trade Joba or Hughes.
Making a trade in which another hole is exposed isn’t creating large marginal value.
That’s the same reason why the dodgers won’t even think about trading Kershaw. Or why the phillies wouldn’t trade Happ.
No Pete! Don’t suggest jeopardizing the future! Joba & Montero? No, no, 1000 times no!
I’m hearing some wild rumors of a 3 team deal involving Doc Halladay. Trying to confirm now but my source works in baseball and is usually on the money.
Pete says no indication the Yanks are doing anything major but I might be hearing otherwise.
Garland had a rough 1st 2 months, that’s why the #s look so bad. He has bounced back and looked more than serviceable in June and July.
You people are missing the point.. The Yankees don’t need another Ace. We need a 4th or 5th starter. You tell me what better 4th or 5th starter we can get from a bad team for cheap?
You’d rather have Bronson Arroyo than Jon Garland?
Montero as someone pointed out before is putting the best power numbers for a Yankees prospect since Mantle. You don’t trade a bat like that.
So, here’s a new one. Nothing to do with NYY, but I guess it’s a trade so:
@nyp_joelsherman Giants definitely getting Freddy Sanchez, a source tells me. 3 minutes ago from web
I knew those Olney tweets were not real. In order for it to be Olney, it cant be fair and it has to be in favor of the Red Sox.
Jim Callis=Red Sox fan.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Also, I thought Halladay was “emotionally shut off” or something.
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What’s another year and change of being emotionally shut-off?
You definitely trade Montero. The future catcher of the Yankees now resides in Minnesota.
His name is Joe Mauer, he is one of the best players in the league and he is going to command a Teixera-esq contract that the Twins won’t be willing to pay.
Montero is expendable.
I personally would not do Joba and Jesus (PLUS more) for Halladay. It would have made way more sense to do a A-Jax + Z-Mac/Bleich + More deal for Lee (The equivalent of what teh Phillies did).
To give up Joba is to create a hole in the 2009 Yankees. I understand that he will hit his innings limit, but the 2009 regular season rotation will still have Sergio Mitre and Andy Petttite at the back end even with that deal.
Again, this trade would make the Yankees 2009 playoff rotation better, but its impact on the regular season rotation would not be large enough to justify what the Yankees give up (years of cost controlled Joba + Jesus Montero’s entire career + whatever solid Romine/Bleich esque prospect that).
And, its way to early to say that Montero is the next Pujols. I mean just impossible to make that statement. A-Rod in his prime wasn’t even the next Pujols. BUT it is equally short-sighted to ignore Jesus’ potential.
Simply put, he is an absolutely special prospect. Unequivocally, hands down, without debate, the best position player prospect the Yankees have had since Jeter.
And, he is mashing at AA now, meaning he is THISCLOSE. This is not like having success in Short-Season SI or Low A Charleston. He is a 19 year old dominating AA and showing marked signs of defensive improvement AS A CATCHER. There is a chance he could be a complete bust. BUT his performance at this high a level at this age means the chances of his being a GREAT major leaguer are higher than his chances of being a bust.
He really is not “just potential” at this point.
And to give him up AND a stud prospect who is your #3 starter right now AND other minor leaguers who could contribute at the major league level soon for a pitcher who will be a 34 year old free agent? Nope. No sale.
And also: How in the hell is Clay Buchholz (He is over a year older than Joba and will turn 25 this this season), Bard, and Anderson comprable to Joba, Montero, Plus? Why wouldn’t the Jays insistent on Bowden or Kelly in addition?
After careful thought
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
33 Minutes until the end of “Guess the Line Up”.
Here’s who is in so far:
Ho Hype, WTTCTOHA, Andrew, Hokiehill, IDCWYT, Andrew33, NYY626 (same)
Ramey, Rebecca (same)
Bronx Jeers
86w183
Update Kate
Keep posting your line ups until 3:40 to get in on today’s round!!!!
*** Bru your submission was missing positions. Please repost
SJ, what a story……the one time George knew better than this own people. It’s hard not to love Doc – he’s given his heart and soul to that franchise and now he’s being put through the wringer (and not of his own doing).
“I’m hearing some wild rumors of a 3 team deal involving Doc Halladay. Trying to confirm now but my source works in baseball and is usually on the money.
Pete says no indication the Yanks are doing anything major but I might be hearing otherwise.”
Why bother posting this without giving details?
Either don’t say anything or post it when you confirm it. This is nothing but hot air.
Evan=Bobcat?
“And wouldn’t it be fun to watch Montero tear up the AL for the next two decades, doing his best Albert Pujols impersonation, and getting to hear Michael Kay say “..and now here’s the great Jesus Montero hitting…as everyone knows, the Yankees had this guy in their farm system and somehow traded him…””
Haha. There are going to be a lot of dissapointed fans if Jesus can’t actually perform miracles like the original.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Yankees want to widen the gap between them and the Rays today. You have to put out the best line up to do it.
Joba and Jesus for Halladay? That’s pure flipping insanity
Even Joba for Halladay straight up is a no go
You people are missing the point.. The Yankees don’t need another Ace. We need a 4th or 5th starter. You tell me what better 4th or 5th starter we can get from a bad team for cheap?
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We have a 5th starter, his name is Sergio Mitre. Who are you looking to replace in the rotation right now? If its Mitre you need someone better than Garland or Doug Davis. If its Joba when he hits his limit… thats stupid because you’re going to get less than 5 starts out of the guy. We could bring up Nova or someone like that for September starts.
what is your plan here?
Montero is not expendable. He is an incredible, homegrown, and very young bat. There is a very good chance he moves from catcher. And IMO the Twinkies keep Joe Mauer.
trading jobe or hughes for halladay solves nothing…yes for game 1 of the WS you have a mega stud on the mound but you have 1 less future stud.
joba nad hughes are not brandon claussen they are here now and contributing well. will joba ever win 17 games? have no idea but he has the potential to, real potential not andrew brackman good stuff potential…
philly got a #2 starter and gave up no major league players and got back a good #4 outfielder also…..they did quite well for the indians they need so much they just need more of everything and hope some will stick……….
if the yanks get mauer then all bets are off… total dominance in the AL East
OK, so is it just me or is there a brand new blog design going on around here??
Didn’t Bobcat say something big was going to happen last night? Still waiting on that one.
Largo-
After careful thought you came up with the same line up as 7 other people. LOL. Only teasing!!!!
Where is the originality tonight? Where is the love for Swisher? Come on people- send them over. 30 minutes left!
Mauer is going to be a lifetime Twin.
Even if he leaves, the Yankees have so much catching depth its silly to think they’ll break the bank for him.
Phils totally did the right thing. Giving up minor leaguers for a MLB star is a steal.
Montero has zero chance of sticking at catcher and with Teix at 1B for the foreseeable future where is he going to play? I’d be willing to part with him in the right package, for sure, but not Joba or Hughes. Those guys are no longer prospects. They’re young, MLB proven pitchers. Exactly the type of players we need to keep in order to avoid giving out risky $100 million contracts to 30+ year old guys.
My guess:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
Swisher is hitting .750 with 2 HR, 1 2B, and 1 BB this year against Matt Garza. He’s just about the only Yankee to figure out Garza this year.
Swisher gets no love today… he went full retard on us last night
Swisher gets no love today… he went full retard on us last night
ePic-Good point on Swishy.
I’ll tell you though, if you are a fan of the Indians and Pirates, the last two years have been hell for you.
If the Indians trade Victor Martinez, you take a team that was ONE game from the WS in 2007 and reduce it to ashes in less than 2 years.
The Pirates? Traded their entire OF last year and is in the process of trading their entire infield this year. Wow.
We as Yankee fans get excited about the prospects of acquiring players that will improve a team trying to make the playoffs.
However, if you are a fan of the Indians and Pirates, its gut wrenching to see how your franchises are being run.
Trade for Haren
they will rest posada today, watch…..
call up another OF and send down abeledajo…
Is Pete being sarcastic about a Joba/Montero deal? I honestly can’t tell.
JP quotes from Sherman article doesn’t sound like he is getting traded.
“I would have to talk to ownership, but I personally would be less inclined to trade him in the offseason,” Ricciardi said when reached by phone by the Post. “I would think let’s put our best foot forward in 2010. We expect to get our injured pitchers back (such as Shaun Marcum and Jesse Litsch) and let’s try to win.”
“It doesn’t hurt us,” Ricciardi said. “We said the whole way that we would have to be wowed (by a proposal) and we haven’t been wowed. I don’t think this is going to get done (before Friday’s deadline). I have told everyone we would have to be moved, and no one has moved us with an offer. And that is fine. This is not something we have to do.”
Dan Haren is an absolute monster, butthere will not be a trade made for him. I haven’t even heard rumors.
get sidney ponson…gotta love a dutch drunk
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
A Rod 3B
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Hinske RF
Molina C
Is there any mediot not a Red Sox lover? Did all media types grow up in New England? Sheesh…..
I agree that trading Phil or Joba doesn’t make any sense in that it opens a hole that still needs to be filled. Doc or not, they need another pitcher. Actually, they really could use more than one as they have zero depth.
“And wouldn’t it be fun to watch Montero tear up the AL for the next two decades, doing his best Albert Pujols impersonation, and getting to hear Michael Kay say “..and now here’s the great Jesus Montero hitting…as everyone knows, the Yankees had this guy in their farm system and somehow traded him”
yup. Moving Montero in a trade that doesn’t have to be made, is assinine
CB -
Your last post is what I’ve been calling a “net negative.” And it’s not a smart trade. And yet, that’s what JP has been asking of every single team that he’s approached or that’s approached him.
Makes no sense.
“Is there any mediot not a Red Sox lover? Did all media types grow up in New England? Sheesh…..”
It doesn’t seem like it.
I find it ridicolous that the Indians wanted Joba or Hughes for Lee, then trade him for several minor league prospects….Even Bosox could have done better Is it because they did not want to trade him in the AL?
Sidney Ponson should get more love. He really wasn’t as bad as he seemed last year. We scored lots of runs during his starts, he was like a lucky charm.
Erica,
My lineup:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
Jay, the D-backs aren’t even listening to offers for Haren.
Erica, My lineup guess:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher DH
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
I know no one wants to hear Pete say send Joba & Jesus. But he’s not a fanboy. Not saying we are, but he can be slightly more objective than us.
over/under on # of people suggesting that Pete would say that because he’s a sox fan?
So JP gives a phone interview to a NY writer and you believe him?
You don’t think he is posturing to try and get the Yankees to the table?
What other motivation would he have to talk to Joel Sherman in the middle of the trade deadline?
Gotta think people. Everybody in baseball manipulates the media at this time of the year.
Robbykid–
Its because everyone hates the Yankees
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
Trading Joba for Halladay doesn’t get the job done from the Yank’s point of view. It advances the ball, but not sufficiently.
Trading prospects are a different story. However, when you talk about Montero, he isn’t just a “prospect”. Forget his catching. Anybody who can hit the way Montero is hitting now, at 19, at Trenton, is going to be an All-Star major league bat. That’s what we’d be trading – a long-term cost-controlled All-Star bat. Maybe its worth it for Halladay, but you have to understand what we are giving up.
AJax, Romine, you name it, I’d do the deal for any or all of them. I just don’t see it getting done because we don’t have the starting pitching quality at AAA or AA that it wiould take to get the deal done without Joba or Hughes.
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Is there any mediot not a Red Sox lover? Did all media types grow up in New England? Sheesh…..
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Lotta good journalism schools up north, and especially at ESPN they are in connecticut so they get a lot of new england interns.
Sucks.
“Didn’t Bobcat say something big was going to happen last night? Still waiting on that one”
that was beaver. No relation
Erica –
But remember, I posted mine first – two days ago!
The Phillies should now make the trade with the Jays. Give them the players they want and rule the NL for the next 2 years with Doc, Lee & Hamels.
If you have a chance to win 2 in a row (never mind 3 in a row) you go for it.
Micheal Kay just called Jesus Montero..”Romero”
something smells up here in Toronto… deals are imminent..
Well, JP can hold onto Doc and then watch him leave in 2011 without getting anything for him…..What a process for Doc, jeez. I don’t know anything about him – whether he’s the kind of guy that will be angry and stay angry about this, whether he just understands this as the price of business or what. Actually, the Jays have very good young pitching so I wouldn’t be all that surprised to see them contend next year.
Swish has to sit! ERROR = SWISH!
here’s my lineup..
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Molina C
Cabrera CF
Nobody can predict a 20 year career for Jesus or ANY prospect.
That’s when folks go a little overboard with prospect love.
He’s a great prospect. Let’s not start comparing him to Pujols though. Put the brakes on that.
This is the absolute max I’d give up for Halladay:
Romine, McAllister, Jackson, Melancon
Those are pretty darn good prospects but no true blue chip guys
I think if George was still running the show Joba or Hughes would be traded in a deal for Halladay. And we’ve seen how well those types of rash decisions have worked in the past. It’s a 50-50 proposition at best you get the return you think you can get from the star player in the deal. I love Roy Halladay, but not at the expense of giving up Joba or Hughes, when both are vastly better than any of the so-called “can’t miss” prospects on other teams that have been discussed over the last few weeks.
No, Cash-money will fly under the radar and make some kind of solid move for a veteran arm (maybe Washburn) who will be the security this rotation needs.
Let’s just hope he doesn’t get Esteban Loaiza.
Bill from NJ
I agree with you……..
“that was beaver. No relation”
I’m really looking forward to the big trade rumor that Platypus has in store for us tonight.
Boston still in talks, Bard, Westmoreland, Kelly untouchables.
My guess? They know nothing and all three could be involved in a trade very soon.
Jeez, so the Olney twitter was BS? I guess Doc to the sawks still on.
Listening to M. Kay. He still thinks the NYY should trade PH + to get Roy. He doesn’t understand how the Lee trade lowers JP’s leverage. No need to trade PH or Joba. I agree with SJ, give JP a list of 8 minor leaguers and tell him to pick 4.
I like him. However, Michael Kay is kinda irritating right now.
How are you in favor of a trade for Joba and Montero for Halladay when you were against Ian Kennedy and Melky Cabrera for Santana who is 4 years younger and a lefty?
Someone should have told Adam Rubin that the media has no place in baseball front office jobs.
SJ
With regard to the Pirates not only are they trading them away but get stuck with PAYING most of the contract for this year. Tell me where that makes any sense if you are a fan.
I’ll tell you how this all impacts the Yankees. It doesn’t.
Can we trade Wang?
Doreen,
That’s why I don’t see either Hughes or Joba getting traded and I don’t think it was seriously considered.
The Phillies drew a hard line at JA Happ because they didn’t want to give up a piece of their current rotation. And Happ doesn’t even have that much talent.
People need to understand that Joba and Hughes are now integral players to the current teams success. They are not “extra parts” in any respect.
They aren’t going to get dealt. Especially with Wang’s injury and the need for pitching next year.
And all of this isn’t even taking the economic impact into consideration.
“However, if you are a fan of the Indians and Pirates, its gut wrenching to see how your franchises are being run.”
Pirates I agree, but lets face it, thats been miss managed since Bonds, Bonilla, Drabek Sr. and Van Slyke.
I will say this, why be mediocre? If you aren’t going to win, why not try to reload. Especially in the Central of AL or NL.
I like what the new Pirates GM has done (I’m a closet Pirate fan). Long ago, trading Colon rebuilt the Tribe. Maybe trading Lee and VMart could do the same?
I think that the fact that we’re hearing nothing at all from Cashman means he’s invlolved in deeper deals than Theo is.
Betsy,
By all accounts, Doc’s a great guy. The best. I mean look what he did with AJ. haha.
I think they Jays will do the right thing and do a sweetheart deal with some team like the Timberwolves did for Garnett.
9 years is a long time to toil without winning.
So JP gives a phone interview to a NY writer and you believe him?
You don’t think he is posturing to try and get the Yankees to the table?
What other motivation would he have to talk to Joel Sherman in the middle of the trade deadline?
Gotta think people. Everybody in baseball manipulates the media at this time of the year.
Not everyone is a know-it-all like the great SJ44. We all apologize for not having anywhere near the knowledge about anything that occurs in baseball as you do. But hey, that is why your here, right? To educate the less knowledgeable. Good work.
“No Pete! Don’t suggest jeopardizing the future! Joba & Montero? No, no, 1000 times no!”
Pete just wants the World Series experience on his resume.
(Or was he covering the Mets in 2000? Don’t think so though)
He’s gunning for Adam Rubin’s beat. Omar wants Pete badly because he sort of looks Hispanic.
Pete’s also tired of the whole blog thing and is looking to get into the Met’s front office. He’s vowed to never take off his shirt but is holding off on the pants for the sake of contract negotiations.
It’s one giant conspiracy.
“I’m really looking forward to the big trade rumor that Platypus has in store for us tonight”
me too. I hear AntEater has sources too
“Jeez, so the Olney twitter was BS? I guess Doc to the sawks still on.”
When was Doc to the Sox ever “on”? The only thing “on” right now is Doc’s scheduled start this afternoon in Seattle. It is looking very unlikely, as of this moment, that he gets traded at all. But, no way does a fake Twitter account = Boston inevitability.
jeter(ss)
damon(lf)
tex(1b)
arod(3b)
posada(c)
matsui(dh)
cano(2b)
hinske(rf)
melky(cf)
How do the sawks plan on getting Halladay for nothing? If they are on the verge of getting Doc for a bucket of balls, then we NEED to intervene.
“QUOTE: This is the absolute max I’d give up for Halladay:
Romine, McAllister, Jackson, Melancon
Those are pretty darn good prospects but no true blue chip guys”
THAT´s THE WAY! DON´T TOUCH JOBA OR JESUS OR PHIL FRANCHISE!
So now that Joba’s had 2 good starts, Kay’s set his sights on sending Hughes?
And though the notion of adding Heath Bell to our ‘pen sounds exciting the only way that happens is if the front office has already decided that Hughes is going back to the rotation and, hence, the Yankees are not going to make any kind of splash at the deadline.
To me, if that is indeed a scenario, it makes sense, though I think at this point we should just leave Hughes alone, trade minimal impact prospects for a Washburn type and still get Bell to replace Bruney, who I am better than right now.
I think SJ is right actually.
What JP says to a NY media reporter means nothing. He just wants to drive up the price as much as possible.
The silence from Cashman should be a sign that deals are getting done, even minor ones. If there is one thing we should learn from the media is that the Red Sox blow a lot of hot air all over the airwaves. It is a major negotiating tactic that they use with all their embedded media agents.
And it usually doesnt amount to squat.
SJ
I have two tickets six rows behind home plate in PNC Park, so I guess I am a Pirates fan.
Yes, I am somewhat pissed about the wholesale trading going on, but:
1. Huntington has to undo 10 years of Littlefield crap with this team, and that begins with restocking the minors.
2. Most people in this town are resigned to the Pirates being bad for at least another 1-2 years. The Steelers and Pens are doing so well (as is Pitt basketball) that the Pirates are getting a free pass.
3. Bad baseball or not, PNC is a great place to see a game (I think in some ways its better than new YS), and the kids love going.
Too bad I’ll now have to get rid of the Ian Snell signed baseball and the Nate McClouth signed jerseys…
Perhaps Cash is involved in San Diego trade talks for Bell? That’s why we aren’t hearing from him possibly.
Got it bru- I was worried you wouldn’t get in on time
Pirates are my B team because I like Honus Wagner and like the name. But I really don’t follow them.
Gayle,
It makes no sense and that’s the sad part.
If you are a fan of the Pirates or Indians, what is the motivation to buy tickets next year? You can go to minor league games and see kids for a fraction of what it cost to see the kids at the major league level. Its sad.
As this trade period has moved forward, Patrick’s trade proposal for Halladay moves closer to actual value.
I would ask this question though….
If JP said, “take out Romine and add Montero and you have a deal”, what do you do Patrick?
You may have to pull that trigger on that one if it means getting Roy Halladay.
CC-Doc-AJ-Andy, with Joba, Hughes, Coke and Mo in the back end of the pen.
That may be tough to pass on for Jesus Montero.
LOL I was going to make a point to listen to Kay, but that’s out the window. I like him personally, but he’s nuts sometimes…….and it sounds like today is one of those times.
15 minutes for “Guess the Line Up”
I think we are approaching record participation today. And we have a chance for 10 winners.
Here’s who is in:
No Hype, WTTCTOHA, Andrew, Hokiehill, IDCWYT, Andrew33, NYY626, Largo, BBFan, El Duque (same)
Ramey, Rebecca (same)
Bronx Jeers
86w183
Update Kate
Yanksfan, ePic (same)
Miggs
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
Bmgyanksfan
BlackACCORD
bru
You could probably sell the Nate McLouth signed jerseys to Mike Francesa for top, top dollar. He is the 2nd coming of Paul O’Neill after all.
Betsy – the Jays are not competing with the Yankees, Sawx, and Rays. Doc or no Doc.
Phillies will get Halladay still! They will rule Baseball the next couple years with Lee, Halladay, Hamels, Happ and Moyer!
i’d do a montero & hughes if using hughes keeps him away from the rs.short of that no hughes.
the jays are losing leverage fast.halladay want’s to be traded imo,can block trades & the best time for toronto to trade him has passed.
if any more time passes & boston decides to get a bat & not a pitcher it will look like the santanna deal where we get him keeping hughes,joba,montero & ajax.
as much as the ESPN love for the Sux is annoying, the world of sports coverage would not be anywhere close to what it is today with out them. Sure you have to take everything you hear from them with a grain of salt, but I still get a lot out of ESPN personally…and it’s not like it’s a secret that they are really all about entertainment, it’s the first word in their name for goodness sake…ENTERTAINMENT Sports Programming Network…
There is a huge difference in success in the minors and success in the majors. Odds are against the minor leaguers. Halliday is proven, Montero? he is possibly a star.
Take out Romine and add Montero you say NOOOOO. Then you counter by keeping in Romine and adding Sanchez or the Japanese catcher.
M, I agree – no, I know Doc is a great guy……but I just wonder how affected he will be by all this. If they Jays get real, they could get a nice package for Doc. If they insist on remaining in fantasy land, it’s not happening
you know if we trade Jesus, he is going to come back to be a yankee killer…..
“Perhaps Cash is involved in San Diego trade talks for Bell? That’s why we aren’t hearing from him possibly.”
Or perhaps the poster is full of it.
Wow its gotten really dark here very quickly.
Looks like there may be some serious weather on the way. I haven’t seen it this dark at 3:30 in a long time.
Looks like a scene from a movie.
PNC Park is one of the best ballparks in baseball.
I like Neal. He’s a good guy and I think he is trying to fix what’s broken there.
However, ownership is another matter. It remains to be seen if ownership will give him the resources to do his job.
Rickey Henderson DH
Derek Jeter SS
Babe Ruth RF
Lou Gehrig 1b
Joe Dimaggio CF
Mickey Mantle LF
A-Rod 3b
Yogi Berra C
Joe Gordon 2b
Starter: Whitey Ford
my sources indicate there is a hill full of delicious ants near Roy Halladays house… more to come later…
Kay is an Idiot. thats why he should stick to having a hotdog eating radio show than a sports talk radio show.
“CC-Doc-AJ-Andy, with Joba, Hughes, Coke and Mo in the back end of the pen.”
Doc > CC !
Jeter SS
Swisher LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Hinske RF
Canó 2B
Cabrera CF
M, Kay has never liked Hughes – it’s no surprise. He just started gushing over him in the pen this year, but I expect he still doesn’t think much of Phil as a potential top flight starter.
“Romine, McAllister, Jackson, Melancon”
Still a ton better than the Twins got for Santana.
to clarify:
Montero for Halladay – NO
Montero for Hanley Ramirez – YES
The Yankees haven’t even formally signed Gary Sanchez yet. They couldn’t trade him even if he was signed yet because you can’t trade players you sign this year for one year.
Ed H.-I considered using Henderson but I decided that since he went into the HOF as an A that would be unfair.
“Even Joba for Halladay straight up is a no go”
That’s absurd. The chances of Chamberlain ever having the career or durability that Roy Halladay has had are slim.
You’re trading an unproven starter already nearing his innings limit for this season, for the probable two-time Cy Young Award winner.
The Yankees best players are in the mid-30s. The team is built to win now. This isn’t the Marlins. It’s just not.
It gives the Yankees a rotation of Halladay, Sabbathia, Burnett, and makes them the prohibitive favorite to come out of the American Legue.
Plus, you have Halladay for all of 2010.
Joba for Halladay is a no-brainer for the Yankees, which is why Riccardi would obviously want other prospects as part of the deal.
I said it yesterday, I’ll say it again:
Evan is not Bobcat. I know Bobcat. He has not posted on this blog is a long, long time.
here here on pnc park, its a gem and well worth the roadtrip to pittsburgh!
GAME THREAD UP
NO MORE LINE UPS HERE
SJ-Okay, I didn’t know that.
Still have the Japanese catcher,right?
“to clarify:
Montero for Halladay – NO
Montero for Hanley Ramirez – YES”
Interesting.
I think I agree.
The Japanese catcher? Do you mean Kyle Higashioka, who was born in Huntington Beach, California?
My thoughts:
1) I do not trust a quiet Brian Cashman. Quiet Brian Cashman means something is cooking
2) I think Toronto is wisely playing the Yanks and Sox against each other
3) The Sox are being too vocal. I think they are bluffing
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The Red Sox are in a box!!! They want to give up prospects for Victor Martinez, but they know that if they do the price for Roy Halladay goes down even more (and they wouldn’t be able to block him from the Yanks). Boston runs the risk of getting Martinez then seeing Halladay go to the Yanks for not too many prospects.
In the end I think Martinez stays with the Indians and Halladay stays with the Jays.
Sure SJ, we can’t compare Montero to Pujols yet. But you can’t compare Montero to Marty ‘freakin’ Janzen either.
if Halladay to Boston is imminent,
offer: Joba Chamberlain, Romine, McCallister
that is a damm good offer. Better then the crap Cleveland received for Cliff Lee. And better then what Boston would give up.
no Montero. No Hughes. End of story
Or Boston waits until the last minute to pull the trigger on a deal for Martinez, giving the Yankees no time to finish the Halladay deal.
“As this trade period has moved forward, Patrick’s trade proposal for Halladay moves closer to actual value.”
Agreed. That’s the core of a good deal for the Jays given what the Phils gave up for Lee.
I’d put Banuelos into the deal as a 5th player. If the Jays want a short stop instead I’d put make Pena available.
Jackson, Romine, Melancon, mcCallister and Banuelos.
If the Sox trade for Martinez, I’d like to see JP come up with a better deal that than that one.
That’s the deal for JP. Hughes, Joba and Monter are off the table.
Pick any 5 other players.
JP’s not getting more than that.
Jackson is a top 50 prospect. Banuelos and Romine are top 100. McCallister and Melancon probably top 125 – maybe higher for McCallister.
JAYS GM THINKS HALLADAY WILL BE IN TOR IN 2010, TOO
J.P. Ricciardi said he now not only expects Halladay to be a Blue Jay for the rest of this season, but for the rest of his contract, which runs through next year.
“I would have to talk to ownership, but I personally would be less inclined to trade him in the offseason,” Ricciardi said when reached by phone by the Post. “I would think let’s put our best foot forward in 2010. We expect to get our injured pitchers back (such as Shaun Marcum and Jesse Litsch) and let’s try to win.’
Could be good news from NYPost
ok so what’s up with the ajax thing? it should be a no-brainer, bring the kid up and let him show what he’s got so far. in fact, the day he gets here, start him. its only for 2 weeks and if he’s got nothing, no big deal, he sits for a week and a half and he goes back when gardner gets back. if he doesnt poorly or even if he doesnt play, not only wont it hurt his development, it will help him. he’s worked hard to get to where he is, he is the next best option in the OF and we need another CF’er. its time to bring the kid up.
Avinash-Yes I did.
Sorry then. The American catcher of Japanese descent.
“offer: Joba Chamberlain, Romine, McCallister”
You could even throw Austin Jackson in there. Next year you do the Melky + Gardner platoon again.
No.
Good article on what the Yankees are looking like in terms of Halladay: http://blogs.nypost.com/sports.....chhol.html
When talking trade Halladay’s career is irrelevant. How much of an upgrade over Joba is he for the next 1 1/3 years? That’s all that matters… and the answer better be a HUGE upgrade since the cost in other talent and $$$ is so high.
No, I am not Bobcat….
I am a die hard Yanks fan and season ticket holder for the 6th year. I am a hardcore “Joba belongs in the bullpen” guy and would love to see Melky get traded (for anything) because I think he is one of the most overrated players in recent Yankee memory.
I am also hearing some crazy trade rumors that seem to be going nowhere now (because the 3rd team, Anaheim, is not ready to help the Yanks).
And I believe the Yankees will win the world series this year with or without Doc because CC and AJ will carry the postseason rotation and the back of the pen with Joba, Hughes and Mo is the best bullpen in the league.
it just seems so simple to me, the socks need a 3B and a pitcher and the jays need to drop thier payroll as much as they can, they are losing tons of money. dont even try to sell me any crap about it being for the long-term baseball prospects of the organization, they are salary-dumping just like les expos used to do all the time.
halladay and rolen are due around $30M american dollars next season, to me its just a question of how much the jays can get out of boston.
“The Red Sox are in a box!!! They want to give up prospects for Victor Martinez, but they know that if they do the price for Roy Halladay goes down even more (and they wouldn’t be able to block him from the Yanks). Boston runs the risk of getting Martinez then seeing Halladay go to the Yanks for not too many prospects.
In the end I think Martinez stays with the Indians and Halladay stays with the Jays.”
exactly. very astute.
Sox need the Offense more than the Pitching – But they don’t want to the Yanks to get Doc.
The Yanks and Red Sox are like two kids in a playpen. They don’t want to pick up one toy, because the other kid will pick up another toy.
Mine Mine Mine. They need to learn how to share.
we can trade montero.
we have a ton of catchers that are at leat better defensively than montero.
he can be replaced.
one thing i don’t do is trade joba or hughes creating 1 or 2 holes.
we need to add pitching not subtract or stay the same.
i trade any prospect for halladay but as someone said hughes & joba are a big part of our team.
let the jays keep him for all i care.
we need a pitcher & will get one.
“When talking trade Halladay’s career is irrelevant. How much of an upgrade over Joba is he for the next 1 1/3 years? That’s all that matters… and the answer better be a HUGE upgrade since the cost in other talent and $$$ is so high.”
You also forget that Halladay would be a Type A free agent which = first round pick, which could replace some of the package we offer.
no way the red sox sit tight.
here’s to hoping they empty the farm to try to keep up this year.
henry has tweeted his mouth off so much they have to do something.
This gives me a great idea for a commercial with ESPN. They should have a few GMs sitting around playing Monopoly talking trades. “I’ll give you Marvin Gardens, St. James Place and the Electric company for Park Place. If I get a hotel built on Boardwalk and Park Place I throw in the Water Company.”
Copyright 7/29/2009
DH
im with Evan, stand pat on doc and other big name pitchers. pick up arroyo or someone’s #4 to fill out the rotation for the rest of the regular season. this staff will dominate in the postseason.
Sorry then. The American catcher of Japanese descent.
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Not hardly! Kyle Higashoika is caucasian.
http://yankees.scout.com/a.z?s.....60569.html
Montero cannot be replaced. His bat is as close to irreplaceable as you can get.
Maybe he is also of Caucasian descent, but that name is Asian.
The American catcher of Caucasian and Asian descent.
“Montero cannot be replaced. His bat is as close to irreplaceable as you can get.”
How do you know this? He has never taken a MLB swing.
Many of you already suspect this, but big things are in the works. The iron is hot and the current Yankees regime typically know the right time to strike.
Jackson, Romine, Melancon, McCallister and Banuelos for Halliday?
I like that trade CB but with one caveat. I’d ask the Blue Jays have to throw in Frasor or Downs.
Otherwise, CB, I say, Make it Happen.
I’m thinking coup d’etat. Riccardi is far too partial to his hometown Boston, so dispatch K.Law north to plunge the dagger into Little Caesar.
Dispose of Riccardi, Install Beeson, Get Halliday to coax a little.
CB, rally the troops. The bugle is sounding.
The Yanks are not trading Joba. He is a marketing directors dream, even with the DUI. I would assume his jersey sells as well as Jeter’s, if not better. The $ he brings in alone and the fanfare he creates is unparalleled in MLB. He was getting standing ovations for coming in to pitch 1 inning as a late-season call-up. People in general love him. He’s not getting traded.
yea, Doc is too old to give up any of Joba, Hughes or Jesus, let alone two! (did I word that right?)
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 29th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Ed H.-I considered using Henderson but I decided that since he went into the HOF as an A that would be unfair.
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As an A? Sorry, don’t know what you mean.
you guys forgot the box of yankee silverware and and complimentary memberships to the audi club in those trade offers.
seriously, you can throw 50 minor leaguers at the jays and they still aren’t trading halladay this season.
time to find something else to talk about.
“If JP said, “take out Romine and add Montero and you have a deal”, what do you do Patrick?”
Honestly? Hang up.
I can’t justify giving up Montero who possibly could be a big impact back at the major league level, as soon as next year.
Lets talk about how Halliday can come to the Yankees as a FA in 2011. How old will he be then?
Got it – as an Athletic. I’d still use him as he was with us for 4 years. I think it’s kosher.
Looks like Washburn might be on the block..Melancon/Mitre package enough to get it done? Mariners look weak on relief pitching except for a couple of them.
Beware the Stealth Brian Cashman – gotta love how he operates – stays away from public displays of bs & brinksmanship…..
Cue theme from “Jaws”
Joba and Montero for Halladay…you’re crazy…stick to writing, which you are good at, not playing GM
It’s gonna suck in a short series if Boston throws Halliday, Lester and Beckett against us.
Flags fly forever.
Why do sportswriters and sports show geeks (read Kay) always want to trade young players? I love to see young players develop and play for the Yanks. If Pete was running the Yanks in “95 he would have traded that kid Jeter and that pitcher with the funny first name (read Mariano) for David Cone. I hate this time of year.
Pete,
You only said Joba and Montero for Halliday just to drum up posts, right? You have to know that trading both of those guys (especially Montero) for Halliday is sheer lunacy, don’t you?
I really think that the jays would go for a deal that includes Ramiro pena, zach mcallister, romine, Melancon, and melky or mitre
it would be crazy to give up joba, Hughes, montero, and Jackson these guys are the yankees future and they have allstar written all over them
instead of trading away prospects with miles of potentian for aging vets, they really need to hold onto these guys
If Cashman trades Joba and Montero for Halladay, he should be fired, end of story. Have we learned nothing by these foolish “win now at all costs” schemes? It’s set us back for years, and we’re finally starting to see light in the tunnel and then we squander it all away? Just dumb.
The way CC is so irregular,with his pitch days,keep Joba!
Ace – love your comments on Joba’s value to the team. I read earlier in the season that Jeter was #1 t-shirt seller and Joba was #2. My friend added to that Joba total by buying me a Joba Rules t-shirt which I wore during the Yankees/ TB game. Joba is back to the same old Joba who thrilled Yankee fans every where. He is not tradeable. Joba and Montero?? No way.
A lot of fans seemed to fuel a feud between Joba and Hughes. Last year I was in that group fighting for Joba. Every time someone would say Joba to the pen I would counter with — put Hughes in the pen. Ironic.
This year I have become a Hughes fan and have advocated for months how fortunate the Yankees would be to have both Joba and Hughes at the front of the rotation in a few years. And it bothers me very much when fans take personal swipes at Joba. You don’t have to love him but you can appreciate his talents and value to the rotation. Is it too soon to say that he will be an ace??
And since ST, while watching Tex for the first time, I quickly predicted MVP. He is absolutely awesome.
I disagree. If the Yankees got Doc H the expectations would be too high. When the Yankees played the Mets in the World Series, it was almost a lose lose. If the Yankees lost, we lost to the inferior city rival. If the Yankees won, it was expected.
If the Yankees trade for Doc H then it will make every series they win, dull. Wheres the fun in that?
I’m late to the party but: I posted this previously on another blog but thought it might help those willing to do the Joba & Montero for Halladay deal. I wouldn’t trade either for him straight across remembering that it’s not just the prospect but the money as well. Factoring in Halladay’s salary you could have Joba, Montero & one of Rich Harden\Cliff Lee\John Lackey\Brandon Webb next year. This is a no-brainer.
At 19 years of age:
Derek Jeter was OPS’ing .855 in the Class A Sally League
Mark Teixera was two years from his minor league debut.
Don Mattingly was hitting .358 in the Class A Sally League
Bernie Williams was collecting a batting title in the Prince William League
First year second baseman Jorge Posada was hitting .235 & slugging .359 in Class A short season.
Ryan Howard was OPS’ing .840 in Class A SS
Manny Ramirez was tearing Rookie League a new one slugging .694
Youkilis was at University of Cincy 3 years from his minor league debut.
Albert Pujols was at Maple Woods CC a year away from his minor league debut when he tore from Class A to Class A Advanced to AAA in one season. That season Pujols OPS’d .953 at Class A, .822 at Class A Advanced & .552 at AAA.
Montero has out performed, so far, everyone on the list above and the only one comparable appears to be Pujols who was a year older and Montero’s #’s are slightly better. Pretty amazing considering Tampa & Trenton favor pitchers.