Wrapping it up from The Trop
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 29, 2009 
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A few postgame updates for you:
• Derek Jeter on George Steinbrenner’s visit: “It’s always good to see him and to spent time around him. We had a chance to talk about a few things. His attitude will never change. … A few of us are used to him coming through the clubhouse quite often throughout the years. But some of these guys haven’t had a chance to spend time with him and I’m sure it was very special.”
Steinbrenner, Jeter said, is “very proud” of the team.
• The eight innings matched a career best by Joba Chamberlain. His performance since the break should put to rest the silly bullpen/rotation debate. He’s 23 and when he has himself together, he’s one of the best starting pitchers in the game. You want more innings from a guy like that, not fewer.
“That is probably the best I have seen Joba,” Rays manager Joe Maddon said. “You have to give him credit.”
• The Yankees (62-39) now lead Boston (58-42) by 3.5 games and Tampa (55-47) by 7.5 games.
• Mark Teixeira is now tied with Justin Morneau for the AL home run lead with 26. He hit 33 last year. His most were 43 in 2005.
• Nothing new to report on Chien-Ming Wang. The Yankees will only say that he had surgery and there is no timetable for his return. I reached out to his agents, who said basically the same thing. It really doesn’t matter much to the Yankees at this point when he could return. But the Yankees should show more respect to the people in Taiwan and be more forthcoming. They want to know how their guy is doing.
• Eric Hinske got his AL Championship ring from the Rays before the game. Remember when Girardi said before the break that he was going to play more? What happened to that?
Off to Chicago in the morning. Check back then.
Hinske needs to play more. Swish is ugly in right.
3 1/2
So far in July
Yanks 18-7
Sux 11-12
Don’t look back Boston, cuz the Rangers are just one game behind in the wild card race, after going went 15-8 in July.
And all quiet on the trade front?
Peter would you still trade Joba in a package for Halladay?
I wouldn’t.
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VT Yankeefan =
He didnot have a problem with the money. He thought it was a slap in the face to have to be given incentives for each playoff round as well, like he manages to win and doesnt need incentives.
Also, he had already had enough. He knew he was going to spurn us at the press conf. While I understand needing some peace of mind, he didnt have to set us up too look like fools.
Going into the press conf, it was thought he was going to resign with us. He played us.
By the way, because some media outlets are so pathetic, it’s often said that Torre got fired
Rebecca, there’s this:
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1336375
It does look like the Sox are very interested in Doc, while the Yanks are not. I still don’t think we can afford to let the Sox get him……..I also still think we definitely need a SP, though I have no clue as to who that might be.
I don’t get the idea about Doc as a rental – if they acquired him, they would extend him.
Rebecca you gotta believe the Yankees are going to take a run at Washy, Dukey or Lowey
Yanks need 1 more pitcher in order to obtain number 27.
Jarrod Washburn and Brandon Morrow (great young arm put him in triple a for insurance) for Austin Jackson
Peter:
Don’t worry, a group of TW reporters are down there,
According to them today is also the day that Mrs. Andrews give birth to their child…
but you might need to confirm it….
Sox are not getting Halladay. JP does not love Bucholz he wants Bard which is a deal breaker for the red sox.
Joba’s best career start was vs. the RS at Fenway against Beckett, in which his velocity was dynamite, but this was a very good start. I think his velo will go up next year like Verlander’s has this season.
Brandon: Of those guys, I’ll take the AL-pitching Washburn, assuming the price isn’t too exorbitant.
Hopefully the Yankees just finally let Chamberlain rear back and pitch and put an end to these ridiculous innings caps and Joba rules. Just use common sense, if he looks tired – take him out and be cognizant of pitching counts so Girardi doesn’t do to Joba what Dusty Baker did to Prior and ruin his arm by hanging him out to throw 120 pitches per start. I’m all for being responsible and careful with young pitchers but these innings caps and rules are beginning to border on neurotic.
I don’t recall Pettitte having these silly and OCD innings caps when he came up in 1995 and was 23. Pettitte threw 175 innings and 3 complete games in 1995 and tossed 221 innings in 1996 (not including 5 playoff starts in 96 and 1 in 1995!)
So please, riddle me that!
“I don’t get the idea about Doc as a rental – if they acquired him, they would extend him.”
Doc doesn’t want an extension, he loses leverage in a big pay day, no one would reject that in these times. And he’d only make 12 starts, this could very well turn into Randy Johnson to Houston scenerio, didn’t end pretty. I’d rather go after a middle of the rotation guy and go after a solid middle relief guy.
Betsy
July 29th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
I don’t get the idea about Doc as a rental – if they acquired him, they would extend him.
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Halladay is on record for wanting to test the free agent market at the end of his contract, which is why he’s on the trading block in the first place and why Toronto won’t grant a negotiating window.
He wants to go to the highest bidder after 2010.
The Yankees would almost certainly make a strong attempt to sign Hallady if he ever reaches free agency without any health issues popping up before that happens.
Betsy. Tou’re alright in my book….Just shake off the chumps that invade the place….Sooner or later they’ll get run off…..
Joba’s been really frustrating this season, but when he throws a gem like this it makes having gone through all the tough games so rewarding. I love watching a future ace develop before my eyes.
Now if he’d just stop shaking off Posada! He was still doing it tonight. I love the confidence, but do you think Jorge and his four rings might just know how to pitch a little better than you do, Joba?
Are the M’s really selling now after making that trade?
I don’t see it with Washburn in any event. Flyball pitcher and the Yankee outfield is their weakest defensive area.
Unfortunately, Grace, if the Yankees aren’t talking, the TW reporters won’t have any more info on Wang’s surgery than the US reporters. Unless of course, there’s a spy among those reporters who can sneak in and take a look at the medical records…
Are the TW reporters talking to Wang’s family here (I’m in Taiwan, too)? They might get info THAT way.
Hey the Yanks are facing Bartolo Colon tomorrow.
That’s usually fun.
Bronx Jeers
July 29th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Hey the Yanks are facing Bartolo Colon tomorrow.
That’s usually fun.
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Nope. he is on the DL again for inflammation
I don’t know that an innings limit is very accurate in the first place. It doesn’t REALLY show the true story.
Having someone on a pitch count would be the way to go if you wanted to save an arm. Joba went about 8 starts where he threw 100 pitches in 5-6 innings.
Which wore his arm out as much as 8 innings. So if he throws 150-160 he’s really thrown about 180-190
Betsy!!!
You’ll be blushing soon, but I admire the way you just blow those people off. I like your posts too. I may not always agree with you, but at least you speak in an informed and intelligent manner and not name call.
I don’t understand why people have so much trouble just scrolling past posts they don’t like.
Pat M, thanks for the support. I just got frustrated for a moment. Normally, I don’t let anything that comes from the mouths of people I don’t respect bother me….
“Jarrod Washburn and Brandon Morrow (great young arm put him in triple a for insurance) for Austin Jackson”
Can I just give them Delarosa and Brandon Laird instead?
I don’t want to give Jackson up.
“Sox are not getting Halladay. JP does not love Bucholz he wants Bard which is a deal breaker for the red sox.”
Gammons thinks this is not going to get done. I mean the mouthpiece of RS nation even said it’s not enough.Rumors are JP want Lester Bucholz and Bard or Bard, Kelly, Westmoreland and Youk or PEdroia… he’s staying in Toronto unless another team over pays for him.
Erica, thanks. I don’t mind people disagreeing with me – that’s what this board is for – but to be rude like that? I will bet you anything these clods don’t have the guts to say things like that to people in front of their faces – they are internet bullies. I always scroll past posts I don’t like – it’s easy to do. Then again, some people have the hardest time with the simplest things, lol
Betsy talk all you want about Hughes and whatever else it is that you talk about. Free speech was created for a reason.
Some like to think this is a no BS blog as if they were hired by the Yankees to talk about the Yankees intelligently….. it’s not working out.
Brandon, I’m a bit unclear on that – why wouldn’t Doc want an extension?
Pete — excellent point on Girardi’s comment about Hinske. Swisher had had such a series of extremes up to first pitch tonight — it would have been a fine opportunity to have Hinske get a start, especially back in Tampa. Granted Swish is a mixed bag and you never know which #33 will show up, but I see no issue in giving him the start. Especially when later in the game the manager pulls Joba after 101 pitches and the strongest start of his career in favor of Brian Bruney. Building confidence? I hear they do that in Scranton quite nicely. A shame Mariano had to pitch tonight on what was supposed to be an off day — hang that one on the manager, yet again.
Overall, can’t really complain…3.5 heading to Chicago. keep up the good work, Pete.
BJK, thanks……but of course, I’m sure the Yanks would be involved in the bidding if Doc became a FA. I think AJ could convince him to re-sign here, lol
21 2/3 IP, 0.83 ERA, 19 K & 8 hits
Chamberlain has been amazing his last 3 starts.
Sounds like Joba was untouchable. That’s good to hear. 8 innings!
Too bad Bruney’s still not reliable.
And Damaso is cooked.
Looks like Melancon has a chance to take on higher leverage work.
“He’s 23 and when he has himself together, he’s one of the best starting pitchers in the game. ”
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best “in the game”
for a 23yr old, not too shabby
Let the Red Sox take a huge chunk out of their farm system for Halladay. That team has so many problems that Halladay can’t fix taking the ball every 5th day. Their offense needs more help than their staff does and their staff is a mess right now.
The only thing Yankees need is a good solid #4. Doc is too pricy and the Yankees can pay for him in 1 1/2 years anyway if he is still as effective.
Depending on how this Joba innings cap goes they should be ok with what they’re working with.
When it comes down to it, I don’t see Steinbrenner allowing anyone to take Joba out of the rotation for the playoffs.
Betsy,
I also wanted to say that I enjoy your posts and feel that it’s really unfortunate that a small group of posters become so irrationally nasty to you. It’s particularly disappointing when people who post here regularly do so.
Keep posting! Lohud wouldn’t be the same without you!!
(though try worrying a bit less… if only for your own piece of mind!!!)
“I don’t see it with Washburn in any event. Flyball pitcher and the Yankee outfield is their weakest defensive area.”
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flyball, groundball, strikeout… who cares?
the guy has a flippin 2.60 ERA in the AL and it’s almost August!
even if that goes up a full run with the Yankees, it’s a big help
Dan, thanks – I appreciate it. LOL -it’s not working is right, esp. during game threads.
I don’t get what the M’s are doing trading for Snell…….are they buyers or sellers? I think maybe they would be willing to spin Snell……..but it sounds they intend to keep him.
Bombers win yet another series…..Significant that after winning 8 of 9 at home, they go on the road and promptly take 2 of 3 from Tampa Bay….On to Chi-Town…..
According to Gammons this morning, JP didn’t want Joba much either. JP’s preference was for both but esp. Phil first and then Joba, but the Yanks said “NO” to Phil. I wonder if JP’s eyes were opened after today’s game. Joba’s just gotta keep it going. Consistency will be key for him.
Bucholz just doesn’t seem to be the highly touted #1 we keep hearing about, but Bard looks pretty amazing so far. Not surprised Bard is a deal-breaker for the Sox/Jays. Gammons mentioned the Sox being a little worried about Pabelbum and wanting to keep Bard for a future closer’s role.
“Brandon, I’m a bit unclear on that – why wouldn’t Doc want an extension?”
B/c he makes more money as a FA on high demand. Why would he reject a big pay day? just look a Alex and CC and AJ and Teix. Nady missed a big pay day b/c of injury, Doc is 32 about to be 33 he’s not leaving money on the table.
“This morning” for me is of course is late afternoon for you guys in the States. He was interviewed by MKay.
tj.
Pettitte’s innings were built up without interruption in the minors. Joba missed part of last year and that’s why he still has a cap this year. Same with Hughes. Injuries.
Meanwhile, the price for Halladay keeps going down.
Pat M,
it wasn’t just winning 2 of 3 on the road against a division contender (who is excellent at home)…
it was the Yanks top 3 starters against the Rays top 3.
this was our best vs your best…. and the Yanks shut the Rays down in their 2 wins.
>But the Yankees should show more respect to the people in
>Taiwan and be more forthcoming.
Taiwan could wait. It’s not gonna kill them.
The Rays are third in all of baseball in OPS, second in wOBA, 4th in run scored, 4th in Slg %, 4th in OBP, and 4th in HR.
They have an outstanding offense. Second in baseball this season overall only to the yankees.
And Joba absolutely toyed with them tonight.
And he did so with his fastball sitting between 92-94.
The pitching performance we saw tonight against an elite offense is the kind of shut down pitching that wins World Series.
“Gammons mentioned the Sox being a little worried about Pabelbum and wanting to keep Bard for a future closer’s role.”
Papelbon will either get traded or go FA for big money by next yrs. deadline. That’s why Bard is untouchable now.
“Looks like Melancon has a chance to take on higher leverage work.”
He could become the long reliever.
God if we can land a Lowey/Washy or Washy/Morry combo it could get really fun in October.
Betsy, FWIW, I enjoy your posts.
Even if sometimes I think you love Hughes just a little too much
JP is just an idiot it seems. “Um yeah I’ll take everything you have and give a non negotiable deal with Halladay.”
Hello JP you realize that after the deadline you won’t get close to what you wanted to wow you in the winter and the team will still be bad with Halladay next year.
It seems he just doesn’t want anything for Halladay which is ultimately what he will probably end up getting.
CB, thanks – I appreciate it. I know I worry and I can be somewhat obsessive, but I really try not to make mean-spirited comments to anyone (though I admit I lose my patience with some trolls). The only thing that makes me feel better is knowing how miserable those folks must be in real life.
My whole life revolves around worrying, but I’m going to try not to be like that (I’m a work in progress), lol. The game thread helps center me in that regard because with all my worrying, I realize that there are plenty of people in there who worry more than I do (and actually seem to dislike the team), lol
You can never have too much pitching…or too much love for Hughes!
“Meanwhile, the price for Halladay keeps going down.”
Absolutely. These three pitching performances by Joba speak volumes about how he slots in as the #3 guy in the rotation.
His performance makes them a much less desperate team than they otherwise would be.
They can go into negotiations from a position of relative strength.
I don’t understand everyone’s fascination with Washburn. It doesn’t matter the type of season he’s having because the type of pitcher he is, is just not conducive to do well in Yankee stadium.
Pel
July 29th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
>But the Yankees should show more respect to the people in
>Taiwan and be more forthcoming.
Taiwan could wait. It’s not gonna kill them.
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Seriously, Pel — it could kill them. WANG is IT here in Taiwan. He is the biggest thing to emerge from Taiwan EVER and is truly a national hero. They really appreciate his humble character as much as any success he’s had. They feel well-represented.
People have the games on as they’re going to work and then in their offices, I see them watching the TV as they go about their work. Games start here at 7am (7pm in NY). They are rebroadcast at night, as well. Lots of Yankee coverage for me.
Grace – correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s my impression from my friends here and the media reports/newspapers.
“It seems he just doesn’t want anything for Halladay which is ultimately what he will probably end up getting.”
Well tbqh he doesn’t have to deal him. He can keep him and compete next yr. w/ a strong rotation in the AL East.
Rebecca, thanks, lol. I got attached to Phil early and that was that……..but I’m an emotional person and that’s how I am. Of course, I may or may not be his mother, so you can understand that. AJ and Phil are my guys (but Mo is my favorite)………but I really love this team. I root for the players as people, not just as uniforms. That’s why I don’t get some of the resentment and hate people seem to have when this team goes into a slump……or a player struggles (or just has a bad at bat, lol)
The Mariners are simply preparing for the future. Jack Wilson has his contract off the book this year, and the Pirates are paying for it. They are cutting payroll, and by getting Snell, they get younger and they can trade Washburn.
Now, they get more prospects for Washburn, cut salary, and look towards the future.
They might have something good in a few years if they can extend King Felix.
Go Yanks!!
PS- Does anyone know who could be on the list of PTBNL’s that we can trade for Hirsh??
Halladay is not coming here, so why don’t we discuss deals that actually could be made?
Pel, I agree that Pete went a little far in playing the sad song for Taiwan. But the Yankees are childish in the way they handle injuries. No other teams are going to get a competitive advantage from knowing that Wang is out for the year. Everyone already assumes that. We want to know if surgery was successful and how long rehab is estimated to take. They should just announce the results.
sorry… I’m getting ahead of myself but i just wanted to see it
if the Yanks somehow get Halladay without giving up the big 3:
2010:
Halladay
CC
AJ
Joba
Hughes
unrealistic but not impossible…. and yikes!
I can understand Taiwan wanting to know how Wang is following the surgery, but there really isn’t much to tell this shortly after the surgery.
I am sure more information will be coming out in the next or so about it.
“Well tbqh he doesn’t have to deal him. He can keep him and compete next yr. w/ a strong rotation in the AL East.”
Halladay or not, they won’t compete in the AL East next year. They haven’t the money to a get any more help through FA and with the team they have now they aren’t going to do it. He should make a trade now and start building the team.
SI.com – Unless the Blue Jays receive an incredible offer, they intend to bring back Roy Halladay for 2010 rather than shop him again in the offseason.
“I think that’s pretty fair to say,” general manager J.P. Ricciardi said. “At that point we would be getting [injured] players coming back to the club.”
Pitchers Shaun Marcum, Dustin McGowan and Casey Janssen are all rehabilitating from elbow or shoulder surgeries.
Joe,
I’m sure that anyone even remotely valuable as a future prospect for the big league club will not be on the list.
This was about one club sending a scrub to another looking to fill out a minor league rotation. They’re going to get a scrub in return.
Betsy ignore the haters(and try not to worry about Phil too much).
Are you really gonna see Youuse at that signing? You gotta tell Youuse how his name is now uh Youuse to many Yankee fans(esp the Lohud group).
Winning sure is fun, let’s keep on doing it
“SI.com – Unless the Blue Jays receive an incredible offer, they intend to bring back Roy Halladay for 2010 rather than shop him again in the offseason.
“I think that’s pretty fair to say,” general manager J.P. Ricciardi said.”
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this could just be posturing by JP
surely he knows when he can get the most value for Halladay.
right now.
they may not want to swallow their pride and just keep him… but they messed this up.
The yankees are keeping their mouth closed about Wang because they dont want the price to go up for Halladay. See if the Jays knew that the Yankees are desperate they will ask for even more players.
“The yankees are keeping their mouth closed about Wang because they dont want the price to go up for Halladay. See if the Jays knew that the Yankees are desperate they will ask for even more players.”
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its common knowledge that Wang is out for the season
I don’t think his status affects much in that regard.
The Yanks are far from desperate but could certainly use another arm to get them through the next 2 months.
Dan your looking at this as a Yankees fan, if your JP w/ a TOR fanbase unless your wowed you don’t have to make the deal. You don’t.
If McGowan & Marcum returns the Jays could be the 2nd best pitching team or first in the AL East. Pair them w/ Romero and that guy w/ the difficult name. Hey… you don’t have to sell Doc, heck you could even take the draft picks if you want or convince him to stay in Toronto.
Betsy
July 29th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Pat M, thanks for the support. I just got frustrated for a moment. Normally, I don’t let anything that comes from the mouths of people I don’t respect bother me….
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Betsy, I think PAT M will agree with me. Your problem is that you post like a girl. You gotta post like a man….be rude, crude and loud. Show ‘em what you’re made of.
j/k. You’re doing just fine. Don’t let the jerks get to you. If they think they can run you off, they’ll try. Hell. most of you ladies know more about this team and players than some of the so-called male “experts”. Excluding me, of course.
I think you should give Christina25 a break tonight. Her boys are taking the pipe daily and she might have even been in fenway tonight cheering her brains out for her beloved suxers!
Christina25, if you’re a Yankee fan, I’m Moses.
M, lol…….
What a top 3 we have in the rotation (even if Joba doesn’t continue to pitch like this). I wonder if AJ’s advice to Joba to not try and throw the ball through the wall all the time has finally taken. Joba will stay a lot healthier if he can learn (which he’s doing) to get guys out at 92-94 than 96-98. Phil doesn’t throw 98, but he’s dominating. AJ doesn’t throw more than 95-96 generally (on purpose, of course – he could if he wanted to) and he’s been a new pitcher (since 2nd half of last year). It just goes to show that there is way more to pitching than just throwing the ball – it really is an art.
I can’t praise the Yanks enough. AJ started it -now, if we could get CC back on track (he’s not that far off it, just a little)……and if Andy can continue to provide solid efforts every 5th day, we’ll continue to be in good shape. I’m not giving up on Marte yet -he had a bump in his rehab, it happens- but assuming he won’t be back for awhile, they could use help in the pen. Bruney is still finding himself…..unfortunately.
“they may not want to swallow their pride and just keep him… but they messed this up.”
Agreed. This is a huge mistake IMO. He will get nothing out of Halladay and I can guarantee that he will not get a ring with him. I will go as far as saying he will not get into the playoffs with him. This is the AL East.
If they don’t deal him for something useful they lose any chance at getting something useful.
Betsy –
the regular posters have your back. Sorry to read you had to put up with some bad eggs tonight. Next time we’ll get Joba to take care of them. Ooops… that fastball just slipped…
Better duck Betsy haters!
ps: wait to worry. 50% of the stuff we worry about, takes care of itself.
ML,
Good to hear. After I saw Tim Alderson being traded for Freddy Sanchez today as well as the PTBNL list that the Indians get to choose from the Cardinals in the DeRosa trade, I just become weary.
The Indians are going to get Jess Todd, possibly the cardinals best prospect. PTBNL’s can be anyone…that is why I am a little hesitant.
Also, how about Zach Kroenke for the bullpen in august and september? I know he is just like Melancon and Robertson, but he has sooo much potential. 0.93 ERA in AAA I believe.
Christina25
July 29th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
The yankees are keeping their mouth closed about Wang because they dont want the price to go up for Halladay. See if the Jays knew that the Yankees are desperate they will ask for even more players.
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Man, nothing gets past you….except for the facts.
The Yanks have already released the preliminary reports on Wang. Maybe you should go whine on a Red sox board. That team and their fans have enough issues of their own.
GB, thanks! I’ve always thought of myself as something of a tomboy (I hate traditional girly stuff), so I’m rather disappointed that I post like I throw a ball (like a girl, in other words). When I watch a game, I do watch like a man – I say the players suck all the time (even though I don’t mean it). I will try to be more vulgar on this board…might take some practice, lol
“Dan your looking at this as a Yankees fan, if your JP w/ a TOR fanbase unless your wowed you don’t have to make the deal. You don’t.”
I’m looking at this with no bias to any team. He has to get something for Halladay now. The Jays will not compete in the AL East next year. They just wont.
I am not saying “Yeah Halladay to Yankees!” I’m saying get something out of him while you can or by winter his value will be drastically smaller. I’m saying deal him someone anywhere.
If the Dodgers lose tonight the Yankees are tied for the best record in baseball. When was the last time you could say that…September of ’06?
Betsy
July 30th, 2009 at 12:01 am
GB, thanks! I’ve always thought of myself as something of a tomboy (I hate traditional girly stuff), so I’m rather disappointed that I post like I throw a ball (like a girl, in other words). When I watch a game, I do watch like a man – I say the players suck all the time (even though I don’t mean it). I will try to be more vulgar on this board…might take some practice, lol
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See? My expert advice is working already.
The Dodgers and Cardinals continue to battle.
I hope Cash sits tight. I like the team as it is.
It would be smart, however, to start skipping Joba’s starts when there are off days.
His next start is a perfect example…. just let Andy start on regular rest and skip Joba.
Then Joba can pitch in the Sox series well rested. More importantly, that keeps Mitre from starting against the Sox.
Betsy,
Please read the Terms of Service section while working on your new post style. KEEP IT WITHING THE GUIDE LINES SISTA!
SA………. I will make a list of everything you guys want me to say to Phil at the signing (do you really love the pen? Do you still want to be a starter? What do you think of Michael Kay hating on you? Do you like your new name of Yuuuuuuuuse?) and promise to mention ALL of it to Phil. I wish I still watched The Office – he loves that show. Oh well – I think he likes the Food Network too, so we can talk about that, lol.
DT, thanks! I really appreciate everyone’s support…..
Have a good night!
“It would be smart, however, to start skipping Joba’s starts when there are off days.”
I understand the innings limit issue, but if Joba is on a roll you let him continue to pitch on his scheduled day. The innings limit will work out in the Yankees favor. I am sure.
Betsy-
I am the same way as you. In fact, I wonder a lot of the time if the reason I can’t find a decent guy is because I am not girly enough. I am not sure guys actually like girls that can talk baseball better than them.
Brandon, thanks! I can’t blame Doc for wanting to cash in…..
“I am not saying “Yeah Halladay to Yankees!” I’m saying get something out of him while you can or by winter his value will be drastically smaller. I’m saying deal him someone anywhere.”
Dan, but the thing is they don’t have to. They really don’t. They can take the draft picks, or try to extend him. Next yr. ppl will be desperate for him too, we can say they won’t but they will.
Betsy,
You’re cool by me. I don’t post much, I’m more of a lurker here, but your posts don’t bother me. The haters could just ignore you if they want. More importantly, how was your trip to Philly?
“Brandon, thanks! I can’t blame Doc for wanting to cash in…..”
No problem. I just don’t see a SP in his mid 30′s who could lose his career the next day leaving $$$ on the table.
Erica, I am under the impression that guys DO like girls who enjoy sports…..they certainly don’t want to talk shopping and makeup, lol. Don’t worry about trying to find a guy….though maybe you’ll meet one at the Phil signing, lol.
Did the preliminary reports say anything about not being able to pitch at all? That his baseball career maybe over?
Dan if you want him starting meaningful games in September and October you skip him when you can.
This isn’t brain surgery.
He came off the ASB with 9 days rest and has been great the last 3 games. When you have off days you can use them to your advantage.
This particular instance makes even more sense because Joba will then slot in against Boston. More importantly, Mitre misses the Sox.
Joe I, thanks! I had a fantastic time in Philly – it’s a terrific city. I hated to leave, but on the other hand, I’m glad to be home (except that I miss the food…..yum!)
Brandon,
We will agree to disagree then. I believe getting 1 MLB ready pitcher or top prospect pitcher now and 2-3 other prospects, not counting the best the team can offer, would be a good trade.
I really don’t see his value being higher ever. Teams want him now to help with the playoff run. They’re willing to give up a lot but not a ton. Take a lot now, maybe dump Rios or Wells, and build the team. The Jays won’t compete for a while and they are a young team that could surprise in a few years.
toronto is not winning next year even if they get back all there arms. who is playing SS, 1B, catcher, and what are they doing with CF???
who is closing also? that team is a mess…and they have no moolah.
I am not sure what the heck seattle is doing, why are they not selling? That team is not winning anything…they cannot score. Washburn is FA at the end of the year….
yanks need a starter, they should not give up the farm for halladay. If Bruney does not get it together in the next few outings he will be bye bye…………
call up a damn OF thursday. GIve Ajax a week trial…….
we need gardner back ………….
CB
The reason Halladay’s price keeps going down is that everyone said “NO” to the first round of ideas from Toronto. Then the Phillies, who Toronto were playing hardball with over the weekend, went and picked up Lee for lesser prospects, and of course Halladay lost his 3rd out of his last 4 today. They are stumbling and bumbling into this trade and they are not gonna get anyone’s elite prospects when the deal is finally made.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....=290729130
Teixeira was plunked after one of Chamberlain’s pitches sailed over the head of Longoria, who was hit by a pitch by Yankees reliever Jonathan Albaladejo. Garza said he was standing up for the Rays’ All-Star third baseman.
“They can take whatever they want from it, but I just kind of got tired of people brushing him back. It’s about time someone made a statement,” Garza said.
“I hate to be that guy, but someone had to take a stand and say we’re tired of it. You go after our best guy. Well, we’ll make some noise, too, and that’s what happened.”
# Boston Dave 2.0 July 29th,
flyball, groundball, strikeout… who cares?
the guy has a flippin 2.60 ERA in the AL and it’s almost August!
even if that goes up a full run with the Yankees, it’s a big help
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The reason you care is the issue of sustainability. Washburn’s flyball tendencies indicate that a correction is likely and that he will probably revert to his career mean.
“Dan if you want him starting meaningful games in September and October you skip him when you can.
This isn’t brain surgery.”
I’m sorry I am missing something so obvious!!! Stupid of me.
Yet still I don’t believe you take him off his schedule. If he continues to pitch this well Steinbrenner wont allow him to be shut down. Remember this is a man who demands to win and will do anything to win. Also, not winning since 2000 if a problem. The innings wont be.
““They can take whatever they want from it, but I just kind of got tired of people brushing him back. It’s about time someone made a statement,” Garza said.”
Aren’t you supposed to not admit it when you intentionally throw at other guys?
Miggs do you in fact know that brain surgery is complicated? Are you a brain surgeon?
“Remember when Girardi said before the break that he was going to play more? What happened to that? ”
They won lots and lots of games and stopped caring. That’s what happened.
Your argument is extremely short-sighted but there’s really nothing I can say to change your mind.
Just watch what the team does and you’ll understand.
Again, do you want him pitching August 5th against the Jays or October 10th against the Angels?
““They can take whatever they want from it, but I just kind of got tired of people brushing him back. It’s about time someone made a statement,” Garza said.”
So we can expect a 6 game suspension correct?
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 30th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Aren’t you supposed to not admit it when you intentionally throw at other guys?
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Exactly what I was thinking.
Christine25
I’ll defend your right to post here even though you have different allegiance BUT you seem to be taking a little too much delight in the possibility of a guys career being over and that’s not acceptable no matter who you root for.
Garza should be suspended for making that statement. Its one thing to do it, admitting it is another all together.
Joba should not get so close to the head area when he does that, retaliation is understandable, but talking about it should buy you a suspension.
Betsy,
I live in South Jersey and I used to be in good shape until I went to Temple University. Oh my. I love Philly. I met my wife in Philly, and I love the restaurants there! Between the bars, restaurants, and sporting venues I’ve spent a good part of my adult life there. I’m glad you enjoyed the city.
halladay gave up 3 runs today and he pitched poorly.
the guy is so good when he pitches poorly he goes 7 innings…
he loses because his team stinks, record often is misleading…..
they will not abuse Joba unless you want him to be out of baseball in 2 years, being shortsighted is not a strategy…
“When it comes down to it, I don’t see Steinbrenner allowing anyone to take Joba out of the rotation for the playoffs”
then he better get him out of the rotation (and rested) before the playoffs.
Joba has a shoulder problem history. If he is not monitored it will be Wang Part II. And with that, a majority of people on this board complaining we didn’t trade him for Roy Halladay.
i can only assume the yanks offered the indians’ a package of jackson and some others, but none with hughes, joba, or montero, so they rejected it, and took the phillies deal instead…
…so now joba’s inning limit is becoming an issue and andy isnt a number 2 or 3 starter anymore…
we need a real starter. a guy that can start the third game of a playoff series. joba might be able to do that, but he cant because of his innings limit…that guy was cliff lee.
i doubt we can get halladay for anything realistic. and washburn will get killed in the al east and in that stadium…plus the mariners will want too much anyway.
if washburn comes cheap, get him, but he wont.
with aceves having a sore shoulder, bruney still not pitching well, and marte being ineffective and unhealthy, the yanks also need a big time reliever, or at least a lefty for the pen.
The way he’s been pitching recently I want Joba starting games in the playoffs.
There’s your 3rd starter right there if he keeps pitching this way.
Again, skip him a few times now and have him for later.
Cashman isn’t going to let him throw 200 innings just because he’s pitching well. I also doubt they’re going to throw him in the pen.
Its pointless to argue this, just watch what the team does. I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t get skipped at least once in the next few weeks.
they better
where is aardvark and the other trols hanging out???
where is red sux ray???
not that fun posting when your team is playing like bleep……………
victor martinez is the guy the sux are going to get. he will be ther catcher next year, varitek is done, they have no catching prospects in the minors. BTW Martinez is 30 a very good hitter but a avg catcher at best….
the sux are looking a little old lately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“I really don’t see his value being higher ever. Teams want him now to help with the playoff run.”
What’s really changing next yr. about it, NESPN will hype him even more, even the same, mass hysteria restarts, all you have to look at is what was being offered Johan or CC, again the Johan deal became a dud b/c Bill Smith was a moron, JP even ripped what CLE got for Lee. Next season the same crap restarts they can wind up w/ something next yr. too, I don’t believe this BS how well his value is peak level this yr. what are they waiting for, really it’ll be the same thing next yr., you mean to tell me a team who is 2.5 behind on a division opponent next season won’t sell thier farm to get Doc ? If you believe that then fine. I don’t.
Pete,
you like to ban just about anybody from here, mostly Yankees fans.
Why will you not ban Christina the Red Sox fan. Her idiocy at hoping Wang’s career is over is a sign of how angry she is at today’s events. She didnt say it, but she clearly implied it along with other antagonistic comments.
Christina, try to grow up. Your Boston teams have been handed every single thing this decade. It’s by luck alone that the Bruins did not join the win parade.
The Pats cheated to victory to start the decade, gaining an infinite number of fans, because they never had any fans pre-2000.
“Garza should be suspended for making that statement.”
Could they wait until the end of next week to do it in case he lines up against the Sox?
“Again, do you want him pitching August 5th against the Jays or October 10th against the Angels?”
How about October 10th against Texas? Wishful thinking there, but to your point, I’m with you.
I just saw Jeff Weaver strike out Pujols and Holliday back to back. There must be a full moon out tonight.
by the way…i agree with not trading hughes or joba in a deal for lee…i also wouldnt have traded montero with jackson and other top prospects for lee.
i was just saying the yanks starting rotation seems to be in question come october.
Dan
July 30th, 2009 at 12:19 am
So we can expect a 6 game suspension correct?
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I don’t think so. From what I’ve seen you only get suspended when you DON’T hit the batter.
Whoops. My bad. That would be only Yankees that get suspended for not actually hitting the batter.
Abusing an arm is throwing 120+ pitches in a game. The innings limit is the wrong way to look at it anyway as i said before. If you want to limit Joba’s use you limit it to pitch count not innings. Innings really has no true accuracy on use when you he’s thrown anywhere from 10-35+ pitches in an inning.
“victor martinez is the guy the sux are going to get. he will be ther catcher next year, varitek is done, they have no catching prospects in the minors. BTW Martinez is 30 a very good hitter but a avg catcher at best….”
That’s if the Mets don’t swoop in. There are rumors they could be out for something big for thier fanbase.
Why will you not ban Christina the Red Sox fan. Her idiocy at hoping Wang’s career
Pete wrote about that in his previous posts. I’m not making this up.
pat -
if any Yankee fan said similar comments, they would be banned. I bet if a Yankee fan thought that Jon Lester never had cancer and that the whole thing was a ruse to put Lester in brighter light, they’d be banned.
Honestly, with all the fuss about the trade deadline, it’s very possible Garza’s comment slides under the radar.
He picked a good night to make it.
They have nothing to offer for something big for their fanbase.
why ban anyone for speaking their mind, unless they are trying to interfere others from communicating? you can easily ignore stupid posts…
…if someone is flooding the board or really becoming a problem due to personally attacking others, that’s one thing on a private blog, but i don’t see why someone saying wang is useless is such a big issue.
just ignore them…and then maybe one day they will have something intelligent to say.
lol. That’s a logical explanation, but not necessarily the right one, Christina25.
The fact is they were more worried about Wang than about raising the stakes.
They could’ve postponed it, or not said anything at all.
This is just SOP for the Yankees.
Pujols and Manny have both played 13 innings and neither has an RBI?
Phil,
The Mets have some very good prospects in their farm system.
pat July 30th, 2009 at 12:22 am
Could they wait until the end of next week to do it in case he lines up against the Sox?
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Not a problem. Garza would almost certainly appeal any suspension thereby pushing it back past the RS series.
By the way, the Lester thing was just hypothetical.
“Pujols and Manny have both played 13 innings and neither has an RBI?”
has to be some type of record
Joe I,
I just saw weaver do that. What are the odds…where was that when he was with us?
Weaver, Pavano, Wright…the 3 friggin stooges.
“Abusing an arm is throwing 120+ pitches in a game. The innings limit is the wrong way to look at it anyway as i said before. If you want to limit Joba’s use you limit it to pitch count not innings. Innings really has no true accuracy on use when you he’s thrown anywhere from 10-35+ pitches in an inning.”
I think that’s really what they will take in account. I don’t think it will be a innings count, it’s more like an innings count/pitch count thing.
prior to tonight’s start he’s thrown 1,867 pitches, that’s 1,867 strides from the mound I wonder if the limit will be more to do w/ the strides per IP than IP.
If the Indians traded Martinez to the Mets they should insist on Reyes being included. They could always move him for prospects which would be worth more than anything the Mets have in their system.
Brandon,
The mets? How the heck are they going to get V-mart? Half their stars are on the DL, and their farm system is barren.
“The Mets have some very good prospects in their farm system”
in this farm you speak of, do they have unicorns too ?
Dan
July 30th, 2009 at 12:27 am
Phil,
The Mets have some very good prospects in their farm system.
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I doubt that very many teams are interested in trading for Mr. Met.
vinny-b (keep Montero)
July 30th, 2009 at 12:30 am
“The Mets have some very good prospects in their farm system”
in this farm you speak of, do they have unicorns too ?
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LOL!!!!
Dan,
That’s not my impression of their farm at all.
“prior to tonight’s start he’s thrown 1,867 pitches, that’s 1,867 strides from the mound I wonder if the limit will be more to do w/ the strides per IP than IP.”
That is really the only way to truly limit a pitchers workload. Having an innings count really shows little about how much the pitcher was actually used.
Dan they probably are counting by pitch count.
These guys aren’t idiots, they have jobs running a major league team for a reason.
You just keep thinking he’s going to start every 5 days until the end of the playoffs.
There’s no chance of that happening. I’m hopeful the front office is visionary enough to skip him now so they have him later.
Shoot, maybe they weren’t planning on having him in the playoff rotation before the ASB. Maybe Wang’s injury changed their view.
AllI know is that he’s definitely one of the team’s 4 best starters. He needs playoff starts.
Which makes clinching the division early all the more important.
Omg, I’ve never heard that stinky name Jacoby before Ellsbury came along. Im watching a tv show and a characters name is Mrs. Jacoby.
Well Brad Holt and the Mejia kid are looked at highly…there’s always Jose Reyes or F-Mart.
Robinson Cano is the most underrated player in baseball.
“The Mets have some very good prospects in their farm system.”
So good that Tony Bernazard was willing to give them the shirt off of his back.
Mr Met goes “postal”
http://www.hulu.com/watch/8601.....ger-issues
Good one Joe.
Witty.
Jim Pir-one
Not a big fan of banning. Differences of opinion usually promote good discussion and people who get annoying are usually just ignored.
vinny-b (keep Montero) July 30th, 2009 at 12:30 am
“The Mets have some very good prospects in their farm system”
in this farm you speak of, do they have unicorns too ?
ROFLMAO!
“I doubt that very many teams are interested in trading for Mr. Met”
lmao
Well I’m not saying they are loaded but they do have 3-4 guys that they could trade. There is F-Mart and Flores along with maybe 1-2 others worth having.
Mr Met pulls a “monica”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuNQOFePQeM
I agree Jim. Any Yankee fan makes questionable comments and it is adios.
“Weaver, Pavano, Wright…the 3 friggin stooges.”
What better proof that Igawa should have some value to someone.
The one prospect the Mets have that teams want is Brad Holt.
Mr Met has been hit in the face with more balls than Erin Andrews.
I thought FMart was up with the big team but injured or something.
if the Dodgers lose tonight, NYY is tied for the best record in MLB
“Mr Met has been hit in the face with more balls than Erin Andrews.”
LMAO why did I laugh.
pat -
i agree. but too many times people get banned for nothing.
While Red Sox fans sit on here and their only goal is to be antagonistic. That’s not right.
I dont care what they have to say. 26 will never be touched!! But sweet 17 with 8 teams in a league is being neared!! I care about fairness.
Dan
July 30th, 2009 at 12:35 am
Well I’m not saying they are loaded but they do have 3-4 guys that they could trade. There is F-Mart and Flores along with maybe 1-2 others worth having.
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I’m sorry, but, if you believe that the Mets have a good farm system, it’s you that’s loaded.
Jim Pir-one July 29th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
He didnot have a problem with the money. He thought it was a slap in the face to have to be given incentives for each playoff round as well, like he manages to win and doesnt need incentives.
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You can believe what you want but what Torre actually said was that he was OK with the incentives. He didn’t think they were necessary but he didn’t have any objections to them.
pat
July 30th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Jim Pir-one
Not a big fan of banning. Differences of opinion usually promote good discussion and people who get annoying are usually just ignored.
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But people should be banned if they’re going to hope harm on people.
Richie,
I’m sure there are a few others that teams would be willing to trade for. Flores and Marte would be interesting acquisitions.
VT Yankeefan, Ill take your word for it. I guess I just remembered it differently.
Rebecca, Tonight’s column is one of the better pieces you’ve written as to date…..I knew the Yanks have been scoring a high volumn of runs late in the game, I just did’t know that it’s more than a 1/3 of their total scoring output…….You may want to send a copy of the Garza topic to Former Yankee Bob ”The Sheriff” Watson…..Great stuff Rebecca, as always
Now that I think about it,
I hope that we can give away Igawa for Hirsh lol. How sweet would that be? The Yankees unload his contract.
That would free up so much money!!
The Mets can’t afford to trade anybody from their “farm”. Their farm is more of a small garden. They can’t stay healthy enough to trade anybody that’s still breathing. They could try resigning Seaver, Gooden, Strawberry, Koosman, and Hernandez, though. Couldn’t get any worse.
When did I ever say that the Mets were loaded in the farm system? They have young trade pieces 3-4 being the key to what I said.
Some of you jump to your own conclusion based on your thought of being God’s gift to baseball knowledge. Get over yourself and read into something before trying to be more awesome than Brandon.
Pete, Good stuff tonight on Mr. Steinbrenner. I wonder if he still has the same desire to win, or is he too out of it to understand.
BTW, someone listed the catcher FA list and I saw that Benji & Jose were both the same age.
Is that right? Irish twins? Fraternal twins?
Dan
July 30th, 2009 at 12:43 am
***based on your thought of being God’s gift to baseball knowledge***
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But, I am.
“BTW, someone listed the catcher FA list and I saw that Benji & Jose were both the same age.
Is that right? Irish twins? Fraternal twins?”
They aren’t. Jose was born in June of ’74 and Bengie was July of ’75
Jose 6/3/75, Bengi 7/20/74
Dan,
I was responding to Brandon. And what I said is common knowledge.
The mets stars & position players are either injured or untouchable. They have zero pitching that anyone would want at the major league level.
Now, they may have a few good pieces to deal for V-mart but they have many holes to plug.
If they deal the remaining few pieces they have, they’ll have no foundation for the future.
Their best bet is to wait for free agency and spend money to plug up the leaks, and trade away some major league pieces for prospects to restock the farm.
Dan,
Probably Niese, Parnell, and maybe Flores, but I think Holt has the highest ceiling. Keep in mind, the Indians are looking for Bucholz, Joba, Hughes type of young players. The Mets don’t have that. That’s why I think Reyes is their most tradebale chip. In some ways, he’s worth more than Bucholz, Joba, or Hughes.
if any Yankee fan said similar comments, they would be banned. I bet if a Yankee fan thought that Jon Lester never had cancer and that the whole thing was a ruse to put Lester in brighter light, they’d be banned.
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As a yankee fan can I wish Jon Lester had MORE cancer instead of no cancer?
Thanks for the clarification, guys.
accoring to a Red Sox fan on SOSH:
“trade bay, ortiz maybe paps for prospects because the REDSOX ARE DONE”
GreenBeret7 July 30th, 2009 at 12:46 am
Dan
July 30th, 2009 at 12:43 am
***based on your thought of being God’s gift to baseball knowledge***
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But, I am.
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ROLFLMAOWMDIMHOMGTIF
m
July 30th, 2009 at 12:44 am
BTW, someone listed the catcher FA list and I saw that Benji & Jose were both the same age.
Is that right? Irish twins? Fraternal twins?
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Benji is 35
Jose is 34
Yadier is 27
m
11 months apart.
“The Mets can’t afford to trade anybody from their “farm”. Their farm is more of a small garden.”
Actually it’s more like a potted plant, but yeh it’s very weak, I can’t even bring myself to tell my friend the truth about it b/c he’s a die-hard Mets fan.
m
BTW, someone listed the catcher FA list and I saw that Benji & Jose were both the same age.
Is that right? Irish twins? Fraternal twins?
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Misinformation:
Jose: June 3, 1975
Bengie: July 20, 1974
M,
m,
O.K. but some saying that there is 0 talent in the Mets farm is not true.
m
July 30th, 2009 at 12:48 am
The mets stars & position players are either injured or untouchable. ***They have zero pitching that anyone would want at the major league level***
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You’d better hope that Randy doesn’t see that you’re dissing Livan. He’ll go into seizures.
There is next to 0 talent but not 0
According to espn gamecast, the Cards chances of winning this game just shot up to 91% from 51% after the leadoff triple.
Brandon, Yanks interested in Josh Anderson.
jerkface, that’s mean. i dont hope harm on anyone.
Dan,
I know you’re not nitpicking with me, because I said it was barren. Not dead.
The Dodgers aren’t making it easy to go to sleep with the best record in the MLB
“You’d better hope that Randy doesn’t see that you’re dissing Livan. He’ll go into seizures.”
A cost next to nothing in a trade late season innings eater could be valuable.
M,
No you were never really my issue haha the subject is over though.
BTW, what was the Sanchez deal?
San Diego is taking bids on starter Kevin Correia. He was a converted reliever.
“Brandon, Yanks interested in Josh Anderson.”
I know I said that like 8 times today. I hope they attempt to get Mark Lowe or Brandon Morrow w/ Washy from Seattle too. It could be something interesting if it happens.
“BTW, what was the Sanchez deal?”
Freddy Sanchez for Tim Alderson (SFG)
90 – 94 mph SP
“BTW, what was the Sanchez deal?”
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horrible trade for San Fran
they gave up Tim Alderson, a pitcher ranked as high as top 25 in baseball
Wow what a game. Dodgers and STL this is a classic.
Jerkface July 30th, 2009 at 12:49 am
if any Yankee fan said similar comments, they would be banned. I bet if a Yankee fan thought that Jon Lester never had cancer and that the whole thing was a ruse to put Lester in brighter light, they’d be banned.
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As a yankee fan can I wish Jon Lester had MORE cancer instead of no cancer?
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Can’t believe people actually would think like this. So sad.
“San Diego is taking bids on starter Kevin Correia. He was a converted reliever.”
He doesn’t seem like anything special. Bad at home, terrible on the road. A team would have to be pretty desperate to go after him, no?
Hm.. San Fran for sure needed the bat though. They are probably looking to contend this year with that staff the way it is. Cain had some kind of start today it looked like.
pat
July 30th, 2009 at 12:56 am
“You’d better hope that Randy doesn’t see that you’re dissing Livan. He’ll go into seizures.”
A cost next to nothing in a trade late season innings eater could be valuable.
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It could have to be a fallback position. I mentioned Kevin Correia, who has actually pitched quite well in interleague games. He beat Oakland and Texas in Texas as a starter this year. He’s only 28.
“As a yankee fan can I wish Jon Lester had MORE cancer instead of no cancer?”
That is flat out awful to say. This is a game/business. You are a fan. That is a mans life. Realize the big picture.
MVPujols ends it
Yankees have the best record in the majors!!!
PUJOLS!!!
Good Job Torre. Having the outfielders play shallow with 2 outs. We have the best record in the league now!
Pujols beats Weaver.
Yanks now tied with LA Dodgers for majors best record.
Cool.
Pujols hit a frozen rope to win it.
dodgers lose!!!
best record in baseball now that la lost???
Finally. Pujols gets St. Louis the win and the Yankees move into the tie for best record in the MLB
It took 15 but Albert got an RBI
Best Record In Baseball
Think about that next time you want to complain about the line up…
“As a yankee fan can I wish Jon Lester had MORE cancer instead of no cancer?”
That is flat out awful to say. This is a game/business. You are a fan. That is a mans life. Realize the big picture.
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But we REALLY need this pennant.
Joe Girardi was the #1 manager candidate on my list.
very thankful to have him.
Correia’s numbers aren’t as bad if you remove three games against Philly, ‘Zona and Houston. 14 innings and 20 runs.
I’m still shaking my head that The SF Giants traded front of the rotation type pitcher Tim Alderson…..Sanchez is a key component for the Giants, but man waht a talent Alderson is…..He would have slotted into the Randy Johnson spot in 2010……..Bad taste Jerkface on the Lester comment….
“Correia’s numbers aren’t as bad if you remove three games against Philly, ‘Zona and Houston. 14 innings and 20 runs.”
That’s true, but he seems to be either hit or miss with his stuff a lot of the time. He’s gone 5 innings or less in 9 starts and 6 innings or more in 12….Is that the kind of guy a GM like Cashman or even Epstein would target? Wouldn’t they go after someone of the Garland, Davis, Harang route? (not saying I would want any of those guys since Mitre hasn’t done a poor job yet)
Pat M it really doesn’t make sense. I mean batting champion Freddy maybe but post batting champ… I mean for Tim Alderson really? I was shocked.
Alderson may have been rated high but the kid is still in AA. At least wait till he gets to AAA before you start saying he’s going to be a #1 front of the rotation starter.
Jerkface July 30th, 2009 at 1:11 am
“As a yankee fan can I wish Jon Lester had MORE cancer instead of no cancer?”
That is flat out awful to say. This is a game/business. You are a fan. That is a mans life. Realize the big picture.
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“But we REALLY need this pennant.”
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We? Do you play for the Yankees?
Jerkface: I’ve been hit too close by cancer in my life to be able to appreciate that comment, ever. Awful and tasteless.
ESPN has it in headlines now:
Garza hit Teixeira on purpose
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4365353
Pat M….
July 30th, 2009 at 1:12 am
I’m still shaking my head that The SF Giants traded front of the rotation type pitcher Tim Alderson…..Sanchez is a key component for the Giants, but man waht a talent Alderson is…..He would have slotted into the Randy Johnson spot in 2010……..Bad taste Jerkface on the Lester comment….
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The way that SF is constructed reminds me of the way the ’60s Dodgers were and the current Dodgers look more like those Giants teams. What a switch.
# Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus July 30th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Jerkface: I’ve been hit too close by cancer in my life to be able to appreciate that comment, ever. Awful and tasteless.
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Hopefully Pete sees the comments
Jerkface is really living up to his name
He’s a Jerkface. Can’t expect too much.
Pray that no one close to you gets cancer, for your own sake.
Ramey – Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL
July 30th, 2009 at 1:13 am
“Correia’s numbers aren’t as bad if you remove three games against Philly, ‘Zona and Houston. 14 innings and 20 runs.”
That’s true, but he seems to be either hit or miss with his stuff a lot of the time. He’s gone 5 innings or less in 9 starts and 6 innings or more in 12….Is that the kind of guy a GM like Cashman or even Epstein would target? Wouldn’t they go after someone of the Garland, Davis, Harang route? (not saying I would want any of those guys since Mitre hasn’t done a poor job yet)
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Innings wise, he’d be third on the Yanks, and during his career, he’s got an ERA of 3.38 over 45 innings. Just makes little sense to strip the farm for a quick fix.
That ERA is for interleague play
Garza is an idiot to admit hitting a batter in the media. He virtually guaranteed himself a long suspension in the middle of a pennant race. Good call.
cancer + comedy = fail.
You might as well try out a 9/11 joke while you’re at it.
If the Nationals released Scott Olsen after his recent shoulder surgery, does anybody think that’s a guy the Yankees may sign to a minor league contract for next season?
prbly, couldn’t hurt.
Good time to be a Yankee fan! Halladay can help us out plenty right where he is. We’re picking up steam like a runaway freight train. 103 here we come!
Big mini golf showdown tomorrow mornight, goodnight.
Wang
RSN in full on panic mode. I can’t say that I blame them.
Anyone who’s paid attention lately can see WAY too much dead weight for a serious playoff contender. At this stage, even if they acquire VMart, he alone will not make a 4-game difference in the standings.
Their offensive ails are systemic.
LOL Nick no betting lines Pete Rose Jr.
I just checked the Sox forum, never been there before.
They were actually rooting for us today. They think the division is lost and are hoping for the wildcard.
So many issues with that team right now.
Meanwhile, the Phillies picked up a Cy Young Award winner without sacrificing a single player from their 25-man roster.
Check and mate to the rest of the NL East.
miggs that’s disturbing
I was just asking a hypothetical question B)
Nick in SF, I’ll take the unders on 103…
“miggs July 30th, 2009 at 1:40 am
I just checked the Sox forum, never been there before.
They were actually rooting for us today. They think the division is lost and are hoping for the wildcard.
So many issues with that team right now.”
LOL! Wow, they must be big fans. 2.5 games isn’t insurmountable and neither is 3.5. What babies.
Wang IS Taiwan
July 29th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Unfortunately, Grace, if the Yankees aren’t talking, the TW reporters won’t have any more info on Wang’s surgery than the US reporters. Unless of course, there’s a spy among those reporters who can sneak in and take a look at the medical records…
Are the TW reporters talking to Wang’s family here (I’m in Taiwan, too)? They might get info THAT way.
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As I know Wang’s agent is with him, and some TW media are there in Alb., so before Wang’s surgery, he showed a note written by Wang, to let people in TW feel a bit relax…
so they even can’t get words for Yanks, still can get it from agent, I think….
But one of the media go ask Wang’s mother-in-law about the surgery, after the news are out, she said she was told by the fans, no words for Wang or his wife, and think Wang didn’t want them to worry, until he now what’s wrong …
I really think all this carzy for Wang, should come to an end at the media side, they go ask everyone in his family, so in 2007, Wang moved his family to other place, leaving the house he lived since 3rd grade, but not his parent-in-laws, media know where they live and work, it’s hard for them to avoid media….
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And I didn’t finish what I want to say in the first post,
that TW media say is that by noon(TW time), Yanks should get the report from Dr. Andrews..
Another great win by the Yanks tonight. After playing downright awful last night, they bounce back and win convincingly tonight, a sign of a great team. You have to love the way Joba is pitching since the all-star break, he identified some things that were really holding him back (working at an extremely slow pace, not going after hitters w/ his fastball) and he was dead set on fixing them when the break was over. The Yanks are lookin’ solid.
xD this post by RedSox Fan cracks me up;-D by BostonCityOfChamps22
Red Sox Need To Learn From Garza
http://boards.espn.go.com/boar.....#038;lid=4
In my opinion as a Red Sox fan, Terry needs to learn a thing or two about protecting your teammates, from Garza. Correct me if I’m wrong but how many times have Yankee pitchers thrown at our players? 20+ How many times have our pitchers thrown at Yankee players this year? 0
It really annoys me as a Red Sox fan to watch the Yankees throw at our players all day when they play us while we just stand pat and do nothing. Now I know we have won all our games against the Yankees which is great but keeping this up is like letting the highschool bully pick on you without saying or doing anything. I think the Red Sox need to stand up for themselves and brush a few of the Yankees hitters off the plate the next time we play them
Peter ..
Please kindly ask Yankees to provide more information about Wang .
I bought your book (Ace in America ) the story about Wang .
I am a Taiwanese , we really need Wang and hope he can play baseball for Taiwan and Yankees .
I know you are the very important person in Yankees .
Please do not give up Wang .He(Wang) is a hard work person
Take care of you and Chien Ming Wang
From Taiwanese
the stranger
July 30th, 2009 at 1:40 am
Meanwhile, the Phillies picked up a Cy Young Award winner without sacrificing a single player from their 25-man roster.
Check and mate to the rest of the NL East.
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They didn’t even give up there best prospect for Lee. According to Heyman yanks talk to cleveland about Lee but they wanted Chamberlain or Hughes. I guess teams expect the yankees to give up more.
Jace123….Better not tell Derek Jeter about not being thrown at by BoSox pitchers…..He’s been a human dart board for years for Boston Pitchers……In fact both he & Soriano were hit on back to back pitchers by Pedro, as they both took the same anbulance to Boston General for mri’s….Being there id no room in Fenway for x-rays
Please Joba teach the (cough)Ace how to pitch,and not give up a ton of runs each outing.This outing of Joba’s should make CC feel shame.He gives up runs!
I’ve noticed a distinct lack of smug tweets from John Henry lately.
I guess he’s not feeling so snarky these days.
The Nats released Corey Patterson. Time for the Yanks to make a minor deal and add some OF depth?
Josh Anderson >> Corey Patterson
Man, Corey Patterson the # 1 draft pick of the Chicago Cubs, had all the skills of Juan Pierre only with power and more speed……He wilted under the weight of expectations in Wrigleyland……I still think he’s worth a look,,,I like to take second looks at all the high 1-2-3 draft picks to see if there’s something missing that can be turned around….Corey woul;d be worth a look at……
then wait after the 10 day period, it’s nothing special either way.
Yankees, are tied with Dodgers for the best record in baseball.
Wait, did I read that wrong? We’ve plunked Sox players 20 times, and they’ve beaned us 0 times? This year alone?
Or was someone actually counting the number of times a player got buzzed? If so, the Yankees learned a lot by watching the replay of Tavares teaching young Grasshopper Matsuzaka of pitching up and in.
Wait, did I read that wrong? We’ve plunked Sox players 20 times, and they’ve beaned us 0 times? This year alone?
Or was someone actually counting the number of times a player got buzzed? If so, the Yankees learned a lot by watching the replay of Tavares teaching young Grasshopper Matsuzaka of pitching up and in.
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An easy trip to Baseball Reference tells me the Red sox have hit 3 of our players, we’ve hit 9 of theirs
Anderson needs to work with Kevin Long. hope C-money gets him.
Jerkface,
Thanks, now I know where to look.
per mlb.com, pitching matchups for the Chicago Series:
Pettitte v. Floyd
Mitre v. Richard
Burnett v. Danks
TBA v. Buehrle
TBA is CC
yeah, espn showing CC on Sunday.
And then Joba v. Halladay!
m July 30th, 2009 at 3:50 am
yeah, espn showing CC on Sunday.
And then Joba v. Halladay!
Wow what a match up if Halladay is still with the Jays. may Joba will out duel him
Maybe***
Pittsburgh has said they would need a bunch of prospect to trade Zach Duke but I think he would be a great lefty starter for the Yanks. He’ll likely go to arbitration this winter and cost the Pirates a pile of dough if he keeps having the kind of year he has had so far.
carl, more biblically:
“May Joba outduel him.”
bardos July 30th, 2009 at 4:31 am
carl, more biblically:
“May Joba outduel him.”
lol
At this point, after three great starts, the Yankees can’t trade Joba.
The Blue Jays overplayed their hand. They lost out with a trade to the Phillies – and are left with whatever the Yankees or Red Sox might give, but the Yankees can only give less.
A few weeks ago, before the All-Star break, Joba was a big question. Trading him would have been painful, but could have been explained away.
Now, I think, it’s much harder to do – and not the right decision.
These next two days will be very interesting…
my newly found opinion is that Joba CAN learn to listen to advice. so i have to change my tune. i was for trading Joba for Halliday… but now it seems that it does not make sense to give up either Hughes or Joba. It would be plus one and then minus one. no real net gain except a short term gain in innings pitched.
i think any other players should not be ruled out, but Joba and Phil — no way. they are the future of the yankees rotation for the next ten years. (barring injuries)
so, what “positive” did Bruney CLAIM that he had last night, when his complete lack of control FORCED Mo to come into the game before it got out of hand — this should have been mop-up time, and Mo should have had a day off, getting ready for the ChiSox series
since Bruney is incapable of REALISTIC self-evaluation, what “positives” did he think he had last night?
Glad to see that fans are acecpting the “starter” Joba. I doubt hes going to throw like he did in the bullpen, and you have to be crazy to expect that from him as a starter. Anyone know the breakdown of the Yankees record according to who was the starting pitcher that day?