Breaking down a few numbers
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2009 
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Couple of interesting stats I took notice of:
• The starters since the All-Star break: 8-2 with a 2.73 ERA. That’s over 13 games and Jorge Posada started 11 of them. Reports of Jorge’s demise were greatly exaggerated, it seems.
• Brian Bruney had a 3.00 ERA before his unprovoked attack on Francisco Rodriguez. He has a 9.00 ERA since. Next time just keep it to yourself, Brian.
• The Yankees have won 10 of their last 14 road games.
• The Yankees are 49-24 since A-Rod came off the disabled list. They were two games under .500 without him and 25 games over with him. The funny part is he probably won’t get one MVP vote. But the record tells you how valuable he is to that lineup.
• Had the Yankees merely split those eight games with the Red Sox, they’d be 11.5 games up.
• The Yankees arrive in Chicago with a 19-5 record against AL Central teams.
Back later with the lineups. Remember, the game is an hour later tonight.
Any idea on which OF will be called for tomorrow’s game?
It’s hard to say Al isn’t the MVP. It really is but the record and the effect to this lineup has been ridiculous.
Look at ORtiz numbers look eerily similar to the days when he was in Minnesota now that he is off the juice…
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....yerId=3748
Wouldn’t a split with the Sox mean they’re 7.5 games up?
if they split those 8 games with the red sox wouldn’t they be up only 7.5 games not 11.5
Voodoo math? Wouldn’t they be 7.5 GMs up if the split with the Sox?
“Wouldn’t a split with the Sox mean they’re 7.5 games up?”
Nope, you’d have to add 4 for Yanks and subtract 4 for Sox so it would be 11.5 games.
lol…3 questions in a row about the same thing
With a split, the records would be:
66-35 Yanks
54-46 Sox
I knew the yanks should have won the 2004 ALCS just think if they didn’t have Manny and Papi roiding it up. We would have won that series easily and the World Series. As far as I am concerned its 91 years and counting for the red sox.
“Hmmm… I wonder if Pedro’s on the list… Could him pushing Zimmer have been ‘roid rage?”
By the looks of that altercation, I would suspect Zimmer of having the roid rage…Ha!
Russell NY, on your comments from the last thread…doing it once will bring as much shame to you and NY fans as it will the Red Sox organization. We don’t need to drag ourselves through the mud to help them get dragged through it too.
I vote Mo for MVP!
Arod or Jeter will be the AL MVP.
With the split they’d only be 7.5 up…on the rays
Tex = MVP
or
Hughes
BDave 2.0
you picked a good day to shorten your screen name
CB, thank you! I appreciate your patience…..Hey, if anyone wants to skip my posts, feel free – it’s easy to do. I’m not going to apologize for worrying if the Sox get Halladay – I think it’s a big deal. If George were running the team, he wouldn’t think twice, but Hal is more of a businessman and concerned with the bottom line (I’m not criticizing him because he spent a ton of $$$, but a few million $$ – Rios’ contract – won’t kill him. The Yankees will earn that back and then some if they get Halladay and keep him from the Sox. I’m not saying Roy guarantees anything, but he gives them a better shot than not at winning in the post-season)
Tex must be MVP as well as gold glove…oh and it’s time Robbie got some glory as well.
Actually they would also be up 11.5 on the rays
Let’s Go ‘Roid Sox!!
From Shermans twitter:
If Ortiz used same fertility drugs as Manny does he become Big Mami?
LOL
“The Yankees are 49-24 since A-Rod came off the disabled list. They were two games under .500 without him and 25 games over with him. The funny part is he probably won’t get one MVP vote. But the record tells you how valuable he is to that lineup.”
Or, it tells you the Yankees simply got off to a bad start. And Tex did too, as he almost always does anyway. Has zilch to do with A-Rod. Tex always gets it going big time starting in May… also Arod is hitting what, .240? MVP? Are you serious? Uh, no.
I want Ortiz to give a public apology to Alex Rodriguez for ripping him and other players for doing steroids.
Redsox last two championships have a big fat *
jason bay has fallen off a cliff. Wonder if Boston will cut ties after the year, and pursue Matt Holliday instead ?
Both Teixeira and Jeter should be considered for mvp.
Just think how far ahead they’d be if they won ALL the games Alex missed…
The one thing this discussion does is teach a lesson to those who insist that “every game counts the same”. While it’s technically true in reality games against your division rivals matter more because you are not only getting a win like you do in other games you also inflict a loss on a rival.
It shouldn’t be that confusing to understand but some here struggle with it, just as they struggled with the math when changing particular results.
Nice to see Big Papi come up with his own versions of “I’m not here to talk about the pasat” wasn’t it?
I can’t see Boston taking on both of Halladay’s and Wells’ or Rios’ contracts. Right now they’ve got 6 full time players that would be affected by that and they’re already grumbling about losing playing time because of LaRoche. This would affect Bay, LaRoche, Drew, Youkilis, Ortiz and Lowell. That could be explosive, so, short of releasing some players, they’re playing with dynamite. Nobody is taking those contracts.
Maybe Papi mis-remembers?
What would it take to just get Rios?
“Both Teixeira and Jeter should be considered for mvp.”
No offense to them but Al has been the MVP of this team. Pull him off this lineup for 2 weeks and then talk to me about Teix and Jetes.
“The Yankees are 49-24 since A-Rod came off the disabled list. They were two games under .500 without him and 25 games over with him. The funny part is he probably won’t get one MVP vote. But the record tells you how valuable he is to that lineup.”
Actually it doesn’t. Pete is committing the classic fallacy of beliving that just because the Yankee started playing well when Arod returned, the team’s improvement must have been CAUSED by Arod. That’s not necessarily true. A rooster crows every morning just before the sun comes up. Does that mean the rooster caused the sun to come up?
Here’s the financial context in which the Yanks would get Halladay. This is kind of a long post, and I apologize for that, but it takes a few words to set up the context of a Halladay deal.
According to Cot’s, right now the Yanks’ 2010 payroll is $166.3MM for ten players:
http://spreadsheets.google.com.....ZJ1RnkNnUw
That $166.3MM buys the Yanks ARod, Tex, Cano, Jeter, Posada, Swisher, CC, AJ, Mo and Marte (and assorted minor leaguers like Brackman and Miranda)
If the Yanks were to get Halladay, that would be about $181MM committed for 2010, assuming Halladay is willing not to renegotiate his contract and doesn’t exercise his trade demand rights.
Let’s assume we got Halladay without giving up Joba or Hughes. Joba and Hughes would make the team, probably making around $1MM between them, increasing the payroll to $182MM. Our rotation would presumably be set: Doc, CC, AJ, Joba and Hughes. Pretty decent. Note this assumes Wang is non-tendered.
The pen would need work. We’d have Mo and (maybe) Marte, but we’d need to fill it out. Aceves and Coke are pretty sure, about $.9MM. total. Melancon, about $.4MM. We’d need 2 or 3 more guys, among Bruney, Robertson, Albaladejo, Bruney, what have you. Let’s say one is Bruney – assume $1.5MM for 2 guys (Bruney makes $1MM+ this year). That gets the payroll up to a shade under $185MM. Note this assumes Marte is healthy and effective.
Offensively, we need 4 outfielders (or 3 OF and a utility), 1 back-up infielder, a DH and a back-up catcher.
Melky would get an arbitration increase – I’ll guess to $2.5MM. Gardner plays for the minimum, so approximately $3MM between them. Payroll – $188MM.
Pena and Cervelli give us the back-up infielder and the back-up catcher for .8MM – 188.8MM.
OK – now we need to replace Damon, Matsui and Hinske. That’s a lot of offense.
You have several choices.
Option 1: Replace Damon and Matsui with only one good player, roughly equivalent to either Damon or Matsui, and count on the better pitching with Halladay to make up for the lost offense. Cost, approximately $8MM to $15MM.
Option 2: Replace Damon and Matsui with only one good player, and call up Montero as your DH and hope he’s ready and give up thoughts of him being a catcher. Cost, approximately $8MM to $15MM.
Option 3: Trade for or sign another good OF, a good DH and another guy. Cost, $15MM and up.
If you choose Option 1, you are at approximately today’s payroll and the Yanks aren’t as good as they are today.
If you choose Option 2, you are at approximately today’s payroll and you are counting on Montero to be your DH.
If you choose Option 3, you are over today’s payroll, probably significantly higher.
And don’t forget we are counting on Marte to bounce back and replace Hughes in the pen. If he doesn’t, you will need another few million to sign a reliever to replace him.
Now, if Joba or Hughes were to go in the trade, you also need to sign a #4 pitcher (think another $5MM to $10MM, meaning the base payroll before you add your last three guys is $193MM to $198MM). Good luck keeping your payroll under $210MM.
And if Rios comes back, add another $6MM, plus you still need another good OF because Rios is only an average hitter.
Plus, what if Halladay uses the trade demand possiblilty to renegotiate his deal in the off-season?
If you think the Yanks’ pocketbook is unlimited, you don’t care.
If, like me, you think it took some hard arguing by Cashman to get the Yanks to the current $200MM payroll, what option do you choose? Or do you decide not to get Halladay at all?
My conclusion is, if Joba or Hughes has to go in the deal, it won’t work.
“No offense to them but Al has been the MVP of this team. Pull him off this lineup for 2 weeks and then talk to me about Teix and Jetes.”
Dumb argument. Pull them out of the lineup how does A-Rod effect team then?
arod is hitting 250 but his obp and sluggin are huge.. he is like 3rd on the team in rbi’s..
i do not lovearod either, but he is a hell of a ballplayer.
manram will never make the HOF. he cheated in 2009, with testing111
Nomar definitely was a roid boy big time, bret boone, brady anderson, palmiero, huge huge cheats…there #’s went thru the roof….
CC Bigs no one likes tooting a horn but check everyone’s offensive numbers before and after “A-rod” returned to this lineup, the Yankees went from mediocore to the tied for best record in baseball, and Hughes deserves some credit too, but srsly pull A-Rod off this lineup are we in first?
Rough week for Gammons. Yanks in first, Ortiz doing steroids, Bucholz is a 5 inning pitcher and Joba is a young roger clemens.
“It’s the best performance we’ve ever seen from him,” Yankees outfielder Johnny Damon said. “The pace of game was great, and that’s what we like to see. If we can see that all the time, you’ve got another guy like Roger Clemens out there.”
CC Bigs, come on, you have to admit the impact ARod has made on the team and his value. Take ARod out of the lineup and there is no way the Yanks have the best record in baseball. Without him, they’re in the wild card chase.
“The Yankees are 49-24 since A-Rod came off the disabled list. They were two games under .500 without him and 25 games over with him. The funny part is he probably won’t get one MVP vote. But the record tells you how valuable he is to that lineup.”
Is that a joke? Tex started slowly and so did the rest of the team. Has a-rod helped with some big homers? sure……is he the reason why were playing better…doubt it, the guy is batting 200
I wonder if ol’ Scott Brosius was using steroids? Hope not. I liked him as a Yankee.
Jim Leyritz – Probably.
“Dumb argument. Pull them out of the lineup how does A-Rod effect team then?”
It’s funny you said them out. Them alone weren’t in first, he returned then them together combine to first place. This isn’t some coincidence.
wave your hat, great post………….
It’s NOW time to play today’s thrilling round of “Guess the Line Up”!!!!
Please post your line ups to me here (or any new threads that pop up) to be entered in today’s game. The game ends today at 4:40 (or immediately if Pete posts the line up sooner).
It you posted a line up early, it has been disregarded. The game starts NOW!
what does it tell you last night garza hit tex and pitched to arod….nobody is scared of arod anymore
“Is that a joke? Tex started slowly and so did the rest of the team. Has a-rod helped with some big homers? sure……is he the reason why were playing better…doubt it, the guy is batting 200″
Around .250 and I’m pretty sure above .300 since the FLA series.
Thanks, stuart. That was what I did for lunch.
“Joba is a young roger clemens”
he does look like him the past 3 outings (and in last year’s starts too). And i don’t mean the overrated NYY Roger Clemens either
if he stays healthy….
Erica, here is my lineup for today:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Melky CF
“what does it tell you last night garza hit tex and pitched to arod….nobody is scared of arod anymore”
That’s why they were IBB’ing him to pitch to Robi right? that’s why Teix started seeing more fastballs right? Dude stop hating, he’s that good.
this just in,
arguing about who is the team MVP, is a good thing…
Erica-
Jeter – SS
Damon – LF
Teixeira – 1B
A-Rod – 3b
Matsui – DH
Cano – 2b
Hinske – RF
Cabrera – CF
Molina – C
Once again, for the fourth day in a row:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
One of these days…..
Assuming no move for OF help…
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
Wave,
Great post. As usual you present the hard trade offs that need to be made very well.
I’d guess the yankees are going through a similar calculus.
that lineup seems popular today…if we don’t go with Hinske today, when will we?
Garza is full of it, he didn’t hit Tex on purpose in that spot. He only said that after the fact to look tough.
Anyways I think either Tex or Arod will be mvp, well at least they have the best chances out of all the Yankees. Jeter might get a mention also.
“It’s funny you said them out. Them alone weren’t in first, he returned then them together combine to first place. This isn’t some coincidence.”
Or the pitching is much better now. You should be smart enough to figure that out. If Joba and AJ were pitching like they are now when Alex was out, and Mo was pitching then like he is now, while having an 8th inning guy like Hughes they would’ve been in first place. You’re better than that Brandon. This is a team effort, not one guy.
For you guys having trouble with the Sox / Yanks math. Pretend they only played each other for 8 games.
Sox: 8-0
Yanks: 0-8
That’s 8 games back.
Now, a split:
Sox: 4-4
Yanks: 4-4
That’s zero games back.
Difference of 8!
“what does it tell you last night garza hit tex and pitched to arod….nobody is scared of arod anymore”
I wouldn’t say that, but with the amount of walks Alex is taking, maybe he should hit 3rd and Tex 4th. Either way I can’t really complain. Our lineup is raking, the pitchers are throwing smoke, and we’re winning games. This has been a great baseball summer!
Jeter – SS
Damon – LF
Teixeira – 1B
A-Rod – 3b
Matsui – DH
Posada – C
Hinske – RF
Cabrera – CF
Ransom – 2b
Thanks Erica
11.5 games….Damn. We need to sweep them to show boston that yankees mean business this time around.
Jeter – SS
Damon – LF
Teixeira – 1B
A-Rod – 3b
Matsui – DH
Cano – 2b
Cabrera – CF
Hinske – RF
Molina – C
Going out on a limb today.
Obviously the whole team has been playing well, but you have to be blind not to give A-Rod ANY credit what so ever. The guy was a big boost for us as soon as he came back…sure Tex started playing better but those things are not unrelated. ARod is not solely responsible for the improved success, but he is a factor and I’d say a large one. Besides, how many of you would kill Pete for his anti-ARod bias if he took the same stance many of you have regarding ARod’s importance to the team?
Brandon,
Tex and Jeter have performed at this level their entire careers. A-Rod is absolutely a huge part of this team, but this year is pretty standard stuff for Jeter and Tex.
Jeter has performed offensively like this and above this level, while hitting in front of Paul O’ Neill, David Justice, Bernie Williams., etc. He’s a brilliant offensive player.
Same for Tex, he’s a notoriously slow starter, and while A-Rod’s return certainly helps hom to see better pitches, he’s a 30 plus home run, 100 plus RBI guy – all the time. That’s what he does. That’s why he was far and away the safest bet on the free agent market.
Tex hitting in front of A-Rod is not like Kent in front of Bonds or Oritz hitting in front of Manny.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Melky CF
Perhaps some 2004 Yankees were users too: LOL!
Gary Sheffield, Kenny Lofton, Alex Rodriguez (?), Jason Giambi, & Kevin Brown. (Note there was no Pettite or Clemens on that team.)
In fairness I listed these as suspects. I am not smug about Boston, but they were rammed down my throat as lilly white for years. The Sox cheated & got their 1st Title since 1918. The Patriots cheated as well.
It must be painful to be so self-rigteous and be so guilty too.
“Or the pitching is much better now. You should be smart enough to figure that out. If Joba and AJ were pitching like they are now when Alex was out, and Mo was pitching then like he is now, while having an 8th inning guy like Hughes they would’ve been in first place. You’re better than that Brandon. This is a team effort, not one guy.”
Ofcourse it’s a team effort who’s saying it isn’t. But MVP talks how can it not be Alex, CC and AJ weren’t lights out all yr. neither was Joba or Andy… fact is offensively the team improved when they got back Alex.
Wave –
Thanks for the analysis. My only comment is that it looks like Cots includes $5,000,000 to Giambi in that 166.3 million. While it might count against the Yankees for luxury tax purposes next year (I don’t know one way or the other) I would assume that for practical purposes the Yankees would treat that as a sunk cost and not part of their internal calculations of 2010 payroll.
With the way salaries are predicted to drop – that $5,000,000 might get you something.
righteous
Where’s the outrage? Where are all the questions? Where are the Dominican cousins/suppliers? I tune in to ESPN Radio and their talking NCAA Football!!
Erica-
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Texeira 1B
A-Rod 3B
Posada DH
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Wave Your Hat – another tremendous post. Thanks for breaking it down for people to understand.
Regarding the splits if we had taken half of the games from Boston earlier in the year – that’s all it is, an “IF”. It has no bearing on the reality of now. That said, I’m pretty confident we’re going to see a much different result in our remaining games against Boston in the second half.
“ARod is not solely responsible for the improved success, but he is a factor and I’d say a large one. Besides, how many of you would kill Pete for his anti-ARod bias if he took the same stance many of you have regarding ARod’s importance to the team?”
I know right.
“Gary Sheffield, Kenny Lofton, Alex Rodriguez (?), Jason Giambi, & Kevin Brown. (Note there was no Pettite or Clemens on that team.)”
Definitely Kevin Brown. Roid rage is the only way to explain punching a wall, even though he used his non-throwing hand.
Erica- for you:
Jeter SS
Swisher LF
Tex 1B
A Rod DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
Ramson 3B
Apparently George Sherill traded to Dodgers. No confirmation, yet.
The ‘Roid Sox come to New Yawk in just 7 days.
Oh, what timing.
If the Dodgers have acquired Sherrill than JP’s diminishing leverage decreases even further.
Lo Greca
Joe and Evan are ALL jazzed up about the Mets!
Here is who I have so far for “Guess the Line Up”:
Bill, Largo, Hokiehill, Matt (same)
)
Ramey
Uncle E (you are welcome!
YanksFan
CM
RayVT
“Apparently George Sherill traded to Dodgers”
good. Angels wanted him
erica todays lineup
1. jeter ss
2. damon lf
3. tex 1b
4. arod 3b
5. matsui dh
6. posada c
7. cano 2b
8. hinske rf (eventually he’ll play)
9. melky cf
Erica, here goes:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
A Rod 3B
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Posada C
Hinske RF
Cabrera CF
….Alby to Scranton, Ajax here (unless we get help from outside)
Jeter – SS
Damon – LF
Tex- 1B
Rodriguez – 3B
Matsui – DH
Posada – C
Cano – 2B
Hinske- RF
Cabrera – CF
Wave,
Great post above and good job breaking down the numbers and potential costs.
My only comment is I think the Yankees are comfy keeping a $210-215 million dollar payroll.
I don’t think Cash got a mandate to keep it under $200, but who knows.
The Yankees are pouring more money into the team and it is in the teams best interest to bring in whatever it takes to put them over the top since so many of their high priced assets right now are older players who will surely decline and be off the books in the coming season.
You trade for Halladay because you’ve spent so much on Jeter, Mo, Posada etc. and you want to make that investment pay off with a long post season run.
Is there a better chance for a long run in the playoffs with Halladay? I think so.
Is there a better chance of not missing the playoffs with Halladay? I definitely think so.
Still, I agree with you now more than ever that if the Yankees were to bring him in or another expensive SP they have to retain Joba and Phil to keep the costs somewhat controllable in the future.
Largo-
The front page of the Cot’s Yankee page could produce the impression that Giambi’s $5MM is in the $166MM, but based on the spreadsheet it isn’t in the $166. So that’s another $5MM on top of the $166MM. Ouch!
All the regulars played at Scranton this afternoon so I guess they wait another day.
A’s – RS 1-1 top 6th
Apparently we’re not the only ones fooled by Gonzales
It wouldn’t surprise me if reliever James McDonald is one of the players who go to the O’s in exchange in that rumored deal.
He has a very good arm, just some control problems. Basic troubles that many youngsters go through.
a’s take a 2-1 lead over lester and the sox
Oakland up 2-1.
2-1 Oak over Boston (6th inning)
Can Rajai Davis do it again?
I’m not trading Hughes or Joba for Doc.
GGGGGG Gio!
Please excuse this interruption. F John Henry, F Theo Epstein, F Larry Lucchino, F Curt Schilling, F Pedro, F Manny, A BIG FU TO PAPI. FU Boston , FU BOston fans. Go screw the pooch. You hypocrites.
Here you go:
Jetes SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
Alex 3B
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Melky CF
Hinske RF
Molina C
Captain my captain SS
Erica’s PBF LF
Tex 1B
A-rod 3B
Godzilla DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swishalicious RF
Melky CF
giving up on Hinske ever getting to play
Whoops – 2-1 A’s
D’oh!
Not much good news in FenwayLand so far today
You’d think the RS are smart enough to know they need HITTING more than Doc – if anything, they’re hard after VMart (but what, have 4 1Bs)??
“I’m not trading Hughes or Joba for Doc.”
Right now, no, but I do have to admit, I would have a week to 10 days ago. What was I thinking?
This is how ESPN announces the Ortiz roids:
“Ortiz and Ramirez are now on a list that includes Alex Rodriguez”
B-I-A-S-E-D
“2:19pm: SI’s Jon Heyman says that in their initial conversation, the Mariners requested Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes for Washburn. That pair and other top Yankees prospects figure to be off limits, but Heyman still sees New York as the favorite”
you can count washburn out then
I am hereby changing my moniker to Papi does da juice mang.
“2:19pm: SI’s Jon Heyman says that in their initial conversation, the Mariners requested Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes for Washburn. That pair and other top Yankees prospects figure to be off limits, but Heyman still sees New York as the favorite.”
Does this fool need a smack across his temple? b/c I’ll give him one
4-1
rajai davis is such a beast…4-1 OAK
Done.
4-1 Oakland
Rajai Davis does it again!
G. Love-
If you think the Yanks would go to $215MM then it’s doable all right. My feeling is they won’t go that high, based on how hard they negotiated with Andy in the off-season. That seems to me to indicate a pretty hard ceiling last year of around $200MM, but, you are right, who knows.
“what does it tell you last night garza hit tex and pitched to arod….nobody is scared of arod anymore”
I know. 20 Hr in 3 months is very pedestrian.
“Right now, no, but I do have to admit, I would have a week to 10 days ago. What was I thinking?”
Your brain was on drugs?
Rajai Davis a MAJOR thorn in Boston’s side.
Booyakasha!
Trisha’s new BFF Rajai Davis with a two-run blooper to extend the lead to 4-1.
He is providing some magic.
Wave Your Hat,
My wish list for 2010 is:
Roy Halladay
Aroldis Chapman
Rafael Soriano
Ryan Doumit
Doumit at catcher essentially replaces Matsui in the lineup since Posada moves to DH. He serves as a stopgap to Montero/Romine. He’ll cost prospects but his 2010 salary is equivalent to Wang’s. If you non-tender Wang it’s a wash.
Chapman replaces one of Joba/Chamberlain if they go in a trade for Halladay.
Soriano becomes the setup man in place of Hughes who is moved to the rotation or traded in the Halladay deal.
Austin Jackson can replace Damon.
If the Jays want us to take Rios and were willing to take back Swisher, the difference is 6 mil per season if you take the money difference owed Rios (42 million) spread over his 7 year contract.
The outfield in this scenario is Melky in LF, Gardner/Jackson in CF and Rios in RF.
Halladay + Chapman + Soriano + Rios + Doumit is approximately the same in salary as Damon, Matsui, Pettitte, Nady and Molina.
2 out runs have absolutely killed the Red Sox this series.
“you can count washburn out then”
Not really, Ralphie. Look it’s like buying a house, which I’m trying to do right now. You go for the deal at your price first. If they take it great, if not, you work a deal where both sides are happy. That’s what is happening with Washburn. The M’s thought maybe the Yanks are desperate, I can’t fault them. Now, if they continue that thought then they’re delusional.
4-1 A’s.
Gameday says: “Rajai David flies out softly to center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury. Jack Cust scores. Bobby Crosby scores. Three out.”
How does that happen?
Upstate Kate-
I love your line up listing! Thanks for acknowledging my pretend relationship with Johnny! You are also the first to list Swisher today
NYY626, L to the 2nd, Nick- all good
who the hell is Rajai Davis and why does he continue to swing like Jeter vs the Red Sox?
A’s up 4 to 1
how did the rs score the last 2
Nevermind they fixed it lol
Gameday says: “Rajai David flies out softly to center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury. Jack Cust scores. Bobby Crosby scores. Three out.”
How does that happen?
—
Wishful thinking by John Henry
Bret the Hitman-
That’s a nice wish list, but there’s no way Chapman is in a major league rotation next year. He’s got amazing stuff but he’s not ready
4-1 A’s over the RoidSox now T-6.
On ESPn gamecast it said that Davis flew out to center but two runs scored. How is that possible?
The wheels on the bus go ’round and off, ’round and off, ’round and off.
RAJAI!!!!
“2:19pm: SI’s Jon Heyman says that in their initial conversation, the Mariners requested Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes for Washburn. That pair and other top Yankees prospects figure to be off limits, but Heyman still sees New York as the favorite”
NYY needs to go crazy and sign even more IFA’s in the coming years. P*ss on the rest of the GM’s
“Your brain was on drugs?”
I wish, it would better explain my brief bout with stupidity.
“Not really, Ralphie. Look it’s like buying a house, which I’m trying to do right now. You go for the deal at your price first. If they take it great, if not, you work a deal where both sides are happy. That’s what is happening with Washburn. The M’s thought maybe the Yanks are desperate, I can’t fault them. Now, if they continue that thought then they’re delusional”
obviously but i cant assume they will lower their demands until they actually do
After the Times article nothing can ruin my day.
Also, we shouldn’t give up any top ten prospects for Washburn.
“On ESPn gamecast it said that Davis flew out to center but two runs scored. How is that possible?”
Peter Gammons is in charge of the updating.
He’s in serious denial.
People to send “Thank You” cards to after the season ends:
Luis Castillo
The Entire Oakland A’s Team
Guy Who Broke the Ortiz/Manny Story
mariners shooting high!!!!
how about making laughable trade proposals.. washburn for wither hughes or Joba..laughable.. hughes just turned 22, washburn is a FA in 60 days.. that is not a trade proposal it is a joke….
washburn could not hold joba or hughes jock strap, ever………………….
Michael Schmidt broke the story
What about the Twins!!!!
Washburn is NOT worth either Hughes or Joba. We better not give up too much if we do. I see bad things from him in the new YS.
Ramey, Brett’s been kicked in the head one time too many so….
Ramey,
Aceves for 1/2 the year in the rotation, then callup Chapman or promote Chapman from the pen.
“Luis Castillo
The Entire Oakland A’s Team
Guy Who Broke the Ortiz/Manny Story”
and John Henry’s pocketbook ?
what about carl craword for LF and leadoff? hit speed in front of a guy like jeter would be deadly to opposing pitchers. he’s a free agent after this year. would 4/40 get it done? cb?
>People to send “Thank You” cards to after the season ends:
>
>Luis Castillo
No. Send him a pie.
“and John Henry’s pocketbook”
check that: man’s purse
Declarmen replaces Lester. Top of the sixth.
John Lester threw a fit over some legitimate close calls.
Now he got yanked.
MELTDOWN in ‘Roid Sox Nation
“what about carl craword for LF and leadoff? hit speed in front of a guy like jeter would be deadly to opposing pitchers. he’s a free agent after this year. would 4/40 get it done? cb?”
lil’ CC is my idle lf but he has an option for next year that the rays are gonna pick up…talk is they might trade him in the offseason but they wont trade him to us
Mariners are delusional
Tell them we’ll send an autographed picture of Joba, Hughes, Montero, Jackson, Romine, ’cause that’s as close as they’ll be to seeing them in their clubhouse
Lester out after 104 pitches 5 2/3 innings
Brandon-
hahahahhahahahah good reference
Back to the 1918 chants! The Roid Sox of 2004 and 2007, anchored by Poopi and Estrogen Manny are finally exposed.
New Thread
NO NEW LINE UPS HERE!!!!
“The wheels on the bus go ’round and off, ’round and off, ’round and off.”
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LOL!!!! Its a great day today.
bases juiced (no pun)
Luis Castillo is one of our best players.
Delcarmen walks the #9 hitter on 4 pitches.
So, where are the people from Saturday afternoon posting how awful it was for the Yanks to lose one game to Oakland because Boston would sweep 4 games from the A’s? If they come around tell them I said hi.
Willingham is not in the Nationals lineup today. He could be moving??? Or Nats might want a leftie facing the talented Gallardo.
Declarmen walks the 1st batter on 4 pitches to load the bases
Wave –
Thanks. I’m easily confused, especially when it comes to spread sheets.
“Willingham is not in the Nationals lineup today. He could be moving??? Or Nats might want a leftie facing the talented Gallardo.”
Reports were that Willingham had a stiff neck.
kd,
Carl Crawford has a club option after this season. There is no way they are going to let him go. You will have to wait another year to pick him up.
Roid Sox Nation, I love it!
at this point, im thinking anyone who wants to trade Joba or Hughes is N.U.T.S.
we want jarrod washburn and they want phil or joba.
red sox want halladay and lester is not even a consideration for the jays, at least that’s my concern.
does that make any sense.
kd – I think crawford has an option next year.
How hypocritical is Ortiz ?
The same guy that said this last spring training that players found doing performance enhancing drugs should be suspended from the game for one year.
2004 *
2007 *
http://www.homeruncards.com/im.....-ultra.jpg
The Mariners are smoking crack. Maybe Joba or Hughes for Doc, but not Washedupburn.
“JJ
July 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Sorry Pete, we’ve earned every right to be smug. After going through this ordeal in 2004 about the “biggest collapse in sports history” and “the first world championship in 86 years” and how this was such a “feel good story,” it’s good to see the truth come out. Our team was dragged through the mud with the whole Pettite, Giambi, Clemens, and A-Rod business in the last couple of years while the Red Sox have skated away from similar scrutiny. What goes around comes around. We all knew that David Ortiz’ sudden emergence was a little suspicious. This doesn’t invalidate their ‘04 and ‘07 titles because I’m sure that other teams in those playoffs had juicers. But let’s not make the ‘roid problem a Yankee problem. It’s an MLB problem and it also raises conflict of interest issues regarding the Mitchell Report.”
Couldn’t agree more!
Two questions: 1) Where is John Henry’s twitter post now?
2) Are the SAWX fans gonna stop screaming A-roid now?
“We’ll trade you Phil Hughes’ game-used jockstrap and an autographed Joba Chamberlain baseball for Jarrod Washburn.”
Bret the Hitman-
A few observations-
Wang wasn’t in my numbers. He isn’t signed for next year and I assumed the Yanks non-tendered him. If the Yanks were to sign him, you’d have to add about $4MM to $5MM to the numbers above, I guess.
Why would the Jays be interested in swapping Rios for Swisher?
Doumit wouldn’t replace Matsui’s production, assuming you could get him. Jackson (I like him) won’t come close to reproducing Damon’s numbers next year.
Plus I’m with Ramey when it comes to Chapman.
However, you get points with me for thinking out of the box.
“I’d guess the yankees are going through a similar calculus.”
Yes, good payroll management will be integral to the team’s success next year.
Hopefully Cashman can differentiate between good trades and bad trades so he can limit the team’s expenditure.
Wow Ortiz did roids… what a shocker… he would get over defensive about whenever he was asked, and he went from being an average player for years for the Twins, to being a complete badass almost overnight for the Sox… and now the testing comes and he’s older and he’s terrible now…. I mean no one can be surprised
I have no problem with guys getting a year for a positive PED test, but I have a real problem with retro-active discipline in terms of the Hall of Fame for the gang of 104 and any others that were involved/implicated before testing began.
Washburn is probably worth something like Kontos and Robertson or something like that. I still think the new Stadium is a bad place for him since he throws a lot of fly balls. Still he’s competitive, he’s left handed and he’s better than Sergio Mitre.
“Washburn is probably worth something like Kontos and Robertson or something like that. I still think the new Stadium is a bad place for him since he throws a lot of fly balls. Still he’s competitive, he’s left handed and he’s better than Sergio Mitre.”
In a nutshell.
Wonder if Big Pop-up feels the same way he did in February:
Feb 16, 2009 2:10 pm US/Central Ortiz Wants Season-Long Ban For Steroid Users
David Ortiz says players who test positive for steroids should be suspended from baseball for the whole season.
The Red Sox designated hitter says the way to clean up the game is through testing and not by taking players to court. Houston Astros shortstop Miguel Tejada pleaded guilty last Wednesday to misleading Congress about performance-enhancing drug use in baseball.
Ortiz also says he feels fine after wrist problems last season limited him to 23 homers. He says he took a few months off from swinging and felt a little strange when he started doing it again. But now he says he feels fine.
Ortiz was at Boston’s spring training camp Monday, the reporting day for position players. The first full squad workout is Wednesday.
erica, my lineup..
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Molina C
Cabrera CF
Roid Papi just hit a 3 run bomb to centerfield. Ouch…
MITRE is not the answer Cashman!!
Why is it teams trading with Yankees make incredible demands ? . We did not get Cliff Lee,
Washburn or Jake Peavy. Teams that got them did not give away too much. Yankees could
have matched any of those deals. Not even reliever George Sherrill grabbed which would
have freed Phil Hughes to become a starter again.
Where is GENE MICHAEL in all this nonsense.? Cashman can sign free agents but he is weak
when trading for players.
Also when we let Abreu go I thought Yankees would replace him with a big bopper.
I am tired of Swisher.
When Yankees were interested in Santana the demands were much too high, so the Mets
get Santana for so little. Puzzling?