Game 102: Yankees at White Sox
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YANKEES (62-39)
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Matsui DH
Swisher RF
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Molina C
Pitching: LHP Andy Pettitte (8-6, 4.67).
WHITE SOX (51-51)
Kotsay CF
Beckham 3B
Dye RF
Thome DH
Konerko 1B
Pierzynski C
Quentin LF
Getz 2B
Nix SS
Pitching: RHP Gavin Floyd (8-6, 4.24).
TIME/TV: 8:11 p.m., YES, MLB Network.
STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees took two of three from Tampa and have won 11 of their last 13. They lead Boston by 3.2 games in the American League East. The Yankees have won 24 of their last 31. They have matched the Dodgers for the best record in baseball.
DARN THOSE SOX: The Men of Oz are in third place in the Central, trailing Detroit by three games. They have lost three straight and six of their last seven. They return home after a brutal 1-6 road trip. The White Sox are 12-13 this month.
ANDY CANDY: Pettitte is 11-9, 4.48 in 22 careeer starts against the White Sox.
IT’S BEEN A LONG TIME: The Yankees have not played Chicago since last Sept. 18. They last played at U.S. Cellular Field April 22-24 of 2008. That’s 15 months ago. They were 5-2 against Chicago last season.
WINNING THE CLOSE ONES: The Yankees are 11-2 in their last 13 games despite outscoring the opposition by only 24 runs.
ALL HAIL MARIANO: The Sandman’s last 17 games: 16.2 innings, 4 hits, 0 runs, 5 walks, 27 strikeouts.
PITCHING POWER: The Yankees have a 3.03 ERA in the 13 games since the All-Star break.
GOOD TIMING: Melky Cabrera is 6 of 15 with five runs scored since Brett Gardner went on the disabled list and he became the everyday center fielder. The Melkman is 9 of 19 overall with seven runs scored and three extra-base hits. The surge has taken him from .274 to .290.
THEY’RE HOT: Jorge Posada has seven RBI, seven extra-base hits and six runs scored in his last 12 games. … Mark Teixeira has an eight-game hitting streak. He is 18 of 52 (.346) since the break with five homers, 11 RBI and seven runs scored. … Nick Swisher is 6 of 18 with three runs scored, three RBI, four extra-base hits and two walks.
OBLIGATORY REMINDER OF HOW GREAT PHIL HUGHES IS: He has allowed two runs in 25.2 innings of relief. His last 16 appearances: 21 innings, 11 hits, 0 runs, 4 walks, 25 strikeouts. Perhaps his greatest accomplishment came yesterday when George Steinbrenner failed to notice how long his hair is.
Back with more later.
UPDATE, 6:58 p.m.: Joe Girardi essentially said they will add a right-handed bat from the minors tomorrow. My money is on Shelley Duncan. … Phil Coke has been dealing with a sinus infection, which explains his recent absence. … It could be a year before Chien-Ming Wang is ready to pitch in the majors again.
A-Rod passed on answering questions about David Ortiz, saying only that the Boston slugger was his friend. … Johnny Damon said he was disappointed to hear the news and maintained his own innocence.
UPDATE, 7:59 p.m.: Bad news, they’re putting the tarp down. Or at least they’re starting to.
UPDATE, 8:04 p.m.: Yep, tarp is going down. We will not be starting on time.
UPDATE, 8:15 p.m.: Here’s the deal. Rain is expected in the next 10 minutes. That rain will last 30 minutes. Then there will be baseball. So we’re talking 9, 9:15, something like that.
UPDATE, 8:54 p.m.: Tarp is coming up.
UPDATE, 9:00 p.m.: 9:15 (ET) first pitch.
UPDATE, 9:15 p.m..: We’re underway in Chicago.
UPDATE, 9:48 p.m.: Melky stays hot with a double. He is 10 of his last 20 with four extra-base hits. Yankees have a chance to score the first run.
UPDATE, 10:26 p.m.: Maybe it’s because I’m sleep, but this has been a snoozer of a game. 1-0 White Sox in the fifth and there have been four hits in the game. Floyd has set down nine Yankees in a row since Melky’s double.
UPDATE, 10:40 p.m.: Yankees tie it as Molina doubles and scores on a Damon single. But Johnny was stranded when Tex and A-Rod whiffed. They are 0 for 6 with four strikeouts against Floyd.
UPDATE, 10:52 p.m.: Swisher is swinging from his heels trying to smack out out against his old team.
Pettitte had a 6.83 ERA at this park in his previous 11 starts here, by the way. He has been brilliant so far tonight: 6 4 1 1 0 7.
UPDATE, 11:02 p.m.: Good call by Girardi pulling Pettitte. Last time he went with him too long.
The scorer, clearly under pressure from the White Sox, changed that A-Rod error to a hit. What a joke. Not that it matters, but that’s a routine play.
Tough spot here for Hughes. He needs a strikeout.
UPDATE, 11:06 p.m.: Brutal. Hughes keeps throwing strikes and gets a DP grounder and Cano throws it away. 2-1 White Sox. Awful inning for the Yankees.
UPDATE, 11:12 p.m.: That would be a heck of a way to lose, on what amounts to three errors.
UPDATE, 11:34 p.m.: Swishalicious! He is loving that, given that he hates Ozzie Guillen. Brand new game 2-2 in the ninth. Coke warming up.
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Looking forward to a good game tonight.
I wonder if Hinske will start tonight.
I wonder how YES will discuss Ortiz?
Fenway gave Ortiz a standing ovation.
What a bunch of drunken cheaters.
Now they’re singing that drivel ‘Sweet Caroline’ – Ugh!
Our craziest “Guess the Line Up” ever today. 7 minutes left. MUST be posted by 4:40. No exceptions.
Here’s who is in:
Bill, Largo, Hokiehill, Matt, Andrew33, Nick (same)
Ramey
Uncle E
YanksFan, NYY626
CM
RayVT
L to the 2nd
Upstate Kate, Eric
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
Dan
Andrew, The Artist Formerly Known as Dan (same)
Fran
Brandon
William Buckner
Rebecca
Robbykid
JeffNJ, I farted (same)
Hensley Muellens Best Pal
It seems weird to me that Tex is hitting so well since the break. Seems like he can’t get that average above .280 no matter how well he is hitting.
Wait, they really gave him a standing ovation? Come on….
I know it’s hypocritical to mock him simply for using steroids, considering the Yankee connections; it’s his firm stance on steroids and punishment that makes him seem like a giant hypocrite right now.
Although, not as giant as 2002.
The meat of the bullpen is completely rested this series which is good with Pettitte Mitre back to back. If it weren’t for Bruney being the worst janitor in the world Mo, Hughes, and Coke would be fully rested.
lineup
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
A Rod 3B
Posada C
Cano DH
Cabrera CF
Hinske RF
Ransom 2B
Cano’s swollen ankle/calf.
Giving it a shot. Gotta be original. I have no interest submitting the same lineup as 10 other people.
miggs- got it.
Someone else actually put Ransom at 2b, but it was still different
Also, 3.2 games is quite the lead. Hope the sox don’t make back that .8 tonight.
“STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees took two of three from Tampa and have won 11 of their last 13. They lead Boston by 3.2 games in the American League East. The Yankees have won 24 of their last 31. They have matched the Dodgers for the best record in baseball.”
Hard to find a good reason to complain after that.
Perhaps his greatest accomplishment came yesterday when George Steinbrenner failed to notice how long his hair is.
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im really annoyed watching this sox game…i couldnt imagine what this place would be like if it was swisher who dropped that ball that lead to a ortiz homerun…
now its 7-5 still threatening…and it was lookin like the yanks might have a chance to pick up a game
Well, Oakland has the record they have for a reason.
they stole sweet caroline from the NY Rangers
probably
Lineup:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
A-Roids 3B
Matsui DH
Posada C
Hinske RF
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Who cares if the Sox give Ortiz a standing o? Don’t we give A-Rod a standing O’?
No team is clean.
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
A Rod 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Cabrera CF
Hinske RF
Ransom DH
beautiful job, beautiful job, perfect job by the switch hitting shortstop. Excellent, beautiful, future hall of famer
says Pervboy Bob Montpervy of NESN
Golden Coins-
got it. and its not cool to knock A-Rod during guess the line up
Ortiz hits a 3 run homer.
Good for him. Now that the self righteous among us (you know who you are) have exhausted their last yelp and are drowned by the reality that “They all (except Jeter and Mo) took PED’s,let’s drop the subject and forget it.
Why is Cust playing the field? Thought he was a full time DH?
Everybody makes mistakes, and this team has played well against the Sox and Cust missed the ball which isnt a big deal.
The big deal IMO is how he nonchalantly kicked it further away from him like the play didnt matter.
Different situation, but when Castillo dropped the ball, he tried to throw it to 2nd, trying desperately. Cust didnt care.
Thats the nonchalance against the Sox that kills me.
bmgyanksfan, bill#2 got it
RS got this gift wrapped – they’ll need the help
Any predictions on the 4 game series? I am betting 3/4 in Oakland with Mitre taking the loss.
Can’t wait till Boston is done playing so the media can attack Ortiz.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 30th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
“STATE OF THE ‘STRIPES: The Yankees took two of three from Tampa and have won 11 of their last 13. They lead Boston by 3.2 games in the American League East. The Yankees have won 24 of their last 31. They have matched the Dodgers for the best record in baseball.”
Hard to find a good reason to complain after that.
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Fear not, Fair Rebecca. Verily, I say, somebody will find find fault after Jeter looks at his first strike.
BIG GAME FOR ANDY HERE…no??
i have a feeling now the yankees will not making any deals if none are made by the end of this night
on that thought i thinkk they should go out and get washburn but not give upp to muchh maybe a mark.m and another minor leaguer ..or two thats it and then when joba’s innings get to high send him to the pen
What a shock that a big fat guy who suddenly starting hitting many HR’s was on the juice. Don’t care anymore. The only person that would actually, legitimately shock me would be Jeter. And no way he’s dirty. No way.
Guess the Line Up is now closed. No more entries
Somehow you people came up with 22 different line ups:
Bill, Largo, Hokiehill, Matt, Andrew33, Nick (same)
Ramey
Uncle E
YanksFan, NYY626
CM
RayVT
L to the 2nd
Upstate Kate, Eric
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
Dan
Andrew, The Artist Formerly Known as Dan (same)
Fran
Brandon
William Buckner
Rebecca
Robbykid
JeffNJ, I farted (same)
Hensley Muellens Best Pal
Miggs
Golden Coins
Bmgyanksfan
Bill #2
August 6th in the Bronx is going to be VERY interesting.
How come paps always has a 3 run safe to “protect”
Any predictions on the 4 game series? I am betting 3/4 in Oakland with Mitre taking the loss.
Oakland = Chicago
This Boston game is messing me up.
Erica you are spending way too much time on this
It’s fun though, so thanks
“The Sandman’s last 17 games: 16.2 innings, 4 hits, 0 runs, 5 walks, 27 strikeouts.”
the hits and K’s are freaking SICK
The Blogger Formerly Known as Dan July 30th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Any predictions on the 4 game series? I am betting 3/4 in Chicago with Mitre taking the loss.
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I was always guessing 3/4. My whole road trip was guessing 2/3 from Tampa, 3/4 from Chicago, and 2 game sweep of Toronto.
Papelbon hitting 98, 99 on the gun. Yikes.
The Sox have a NASTY bullpen.
I’m a lot more upset that the names are getting leaked – at all. It’s names clerks and lawyers in nameless lawfirms and court offices. The reporter for the NY Times said it’s not a matter of him getting calls; he’s apparently digging for the information. He said the information that he’s put out is the information he’s comfortable with. I don’t know whether that means he has no more information, or not enough corroboration on information he’s researching.
The whole situation makes me crazy. It doesn’t seem right that the information gets out like this when it was supposed to be sealed or anonymous or whatever.
I also dislike immensely the fact that ARod had to go through a circus (albeit of his own making), while apparently subsequent players are allowed to get by with a “no comment,” or “I only want to talk about baseball.”
Stinks.
Also stinks that the Red Sox are winning.
The baseball package has the feed from both home teams tonight. Or you can watch it in HD on the MLB Network (if you’re out of market).
Mo has 5 walks for the SEASON (1 intentional).
That’s just nuts.
Rebecca-
Would we give ARod a standing ovation the very day he was revealed to have been on ‘Roids? I don’t think so.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 30th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Erica you are spending way too much time on this
It’s fun though, so thanks
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I am well aware. As long as it doesn’t interfere too much with my actual job, I am cool with it
It’s tough to say that everyone except Mo and Jeter Juiced. I know it’s just crazy Yankee fan talk, but there are plenty of great players that most likely haven’t juiced.
Ledger_YankeesJeter 6, Damon 7, Teixeira 3, ARod 5, Matsui DH, Swisher 9, Cano 4, Cabrera 8, Molina 2, Pettitte 1 –Carig
Hey, I got Molina right!
Wow, I wasn’t even close.
Does MLB Network take the YES feed or do they have their own guys in the booth?
@patrick
no, NESN has the worst gun in the majors.
i get mlb extra innings, and their gun is 4mph over whenever their pitchers are on the mound. i check it against the opposing teams broadcast almost every day.
“Does MLB Network take the YES feed or do they have their own guys in the booth?”
Costas and Kaat tonight.
I was totally kidding about A-Rod. He’s my favorite player.
Papelbon was hitting 98-99 on gameday.
Sometimes they have their own guys (an awful Harold Reynolds being one of them) and sometime they take a feed.
Looks like Girardi is riding his outfielders pretty hard right now. Just another way Gardner’s injury hurts.
What about ‘what’s on the iPod’?
Does Hinske ever play?
“Would we give ARod a standing ovation the very day he was revealed to have been on ‘Roids? I don’t think so.”
Maybe they aren’t letting his personal life ruin their day at the field. Your favorite team is filled with a bunch of people you know nothing about. People get up in arms about what players do in their life and start to really get attached to these players. But really they could be holding a racket in their basement or letting teenage women drink by their pool in hopes to take advantage of them later. Maybe they do drugs. Maybe they sell drugs. Who knows.
Gameday gets it’s radar readings from TV. So it depends on what channel they’re watching.
if you want to renew your NESPN magazine subscription for 1$,
http://www.espn.com/thanks
this includes insider access..
Tom B,
I’m not going off of the NESN gun, I’m looking at gameday. Papelbon IS hitting 98, 99 consistently.
Pete,
Wasn’t that you talking about trading Phil Hughes yesterday and saying it was a good idea?
People have short memories about CC. He just pitched a gem against Detroit.
“Does Hinske ever play?”
Who cares? The Yankees are winning and Swisher is a better player.
>Gameday gets it’s radar readings from TV.
>So it depends on what channel they’re watching.
I don’t know if you’re making a joke or not.
But in case you’re not, that’s not how it works.
Rebecca- Where did you get that line up from?
Countryclub: The problem is that CC seems to be alternating good start, bad start.
Erica @star_ledger twitter.
Does anybody else notice how Tropicana Field is nothing like Yankee Stadium? There’s no energy in the stadium at all.
Also, the Red Sox just won…
i think the guns in fenway have been juiced this week…including gameday..
mazzaro was sitting 99 in the first inning in fenway the other day on gameday
bucholz was hitting 98…every single pitcher ive watched today has hit 97…i think its a tad juiced…like ortiz!
Gammons is distraught and stunned. Almost at a loss for words or at least those that can be understood.
Gameday does NOT get it’s readings from the TV
I need to leave work- so I am going to go with Rebecca’s source-
We have a “Guess the Line Up” first. 22 different line up combinations. Not one of them is correct.
There is no winner today.
Please tune in tomorrow again at 3pm (8pm game start time) for another thrilling round of Guess the Line Up
Annoying loss for the As… THEY HAD IT! Damn Ortiz.
I am holding on to everyone’s submissions in case the line up Pete posts is differemt. If it is, I will award a winner later. But right now there seems to be none
Doreen
Very sad indeed.
The reporter from the Times said he is calling anyone, everywhere who may have seen the list to get his info, it didn’t just fall into his lap.
While reporters are protected and feel justigfied in protecting sources, I’m not sure how asking someone to break a law intentionally with sealed info is right.
This isn’t national security issues at stake, it’s baseball. Hardly the same thing.
Alex was the guinea pig for how to or how not to respond.
cust did not kick the ball because he was nonchalant… he kicked it because he lost the ball in the sun and then the ball hit his knee, what are you smoking?
only the yanks take 5 days to call up an additional outfielder…..joke….
sounds like the sux want adrian gonzalez, shows how much not getting tex hurts… they still need help out ss,catcher, and outfield.. they have about 4 1B if they get gonzalez. san diego better get at least 4 guys(good guys) if not 5….gonzalez has a good contract and is only 28………..
Pel,
That’s what I’ve been told. And I matched Gameday to the Yes gun pitch for pitch earlier in the season.
I’m not saying I’m definitely right, but that’s what someone loosely connected to MLB told me. They could be wrong though.
Maybe Papelbon exchanged bodily fluid with Artificially Big Papi.
I still can’t believe Joe Girardi has evidently eluded about 30 LoHud Bloggers
Rebecca,
I know he’s been hot and cold. But someone posted earlier that they want to see 1 good game from him. We’ve seen plenty.
Lamar Odom to sign 4 yr deal with lakers via JA Adonde
Joba offers teaching moments
July 30, 2009 3:35 PM
After tossing eight shutout innings Wednesday night, young Joba Chamberlain now sports the second-lowest ERA among Yankee starters and the 13th lowest in the American League.
Chamberlain
Not bad for a guy who obviously should be a relief pitcher.
Or so we’ve been told by so many experts. As recently as two weeks ago, Goose Gossage said that putting Chamberlain back in the bullpen is a “no-brainer” (for just a few of many other examples, check here, here, here and here).
Granted, it’s still early in Chamberlain’s time with the Yankees. But nobody ever said Joba should start forever. What we said was that he should start until he proves that he can’t; that the Yankees should continue conducting their little experiment.
I don’t mean to gloat. For one thing, I’m not exactly pulling for the Yankees. And for another, I’ve been wrong about many dozens of things over the years. One thing I’ve tried to do, though, is admit my mistakes and try to learn from them. There are literally dozens of professional writers and other media types who were adamant about Chamberlain belonging in the bullpen.
I won’t ask them to admit their mistakes, because that’s not my place. I do hope that guys like Mike Francesa will discover a teaching moment at some point. Maybe during Joba’s next start.
Hey, The A’s did more than I could have hoped for against the Sox ……..no complaints here.
“Does anybody else notice how Tropicana Field is nothing like Yankee Stadium? There’s no energy in the stadium at all”
know am in the minority, but for dome stadiums i like the Trop. It looks cozy/intimate and fun.
besides, an open-air stadium in Tampa is unneccessary. As it doesn’t cool off until October.
If the rotation holds up as is, is Sergio Mitre on target to open up against Boston next Thursday? There is an offday on Tuesday, any chance they reshuffle?
Papi’s got a point
July 30, 2009 1:15 PM
My favorite part — and it comes at the very end — of the New York Times’ story about Red Sox sluggers David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003:
In 2007, Ortiz said that he used to buy a protein shake in the Dominican Republic when he was younger and did not know if it contained a performance-enhancing drug.
“I don’t do that anymore because they don’t have the approval for that here, so I know that, so I’m off buying things at the GNC back in the Dominican Republic,” Ortiz told The Boston Herald. He added: “I don’t know if I drank something in my youth, not knowing it.”
In February, he said that players who tested positive for steroids should be suspended for an entire season – about 100 games more than the current policy requires for a first offense.
Now, finally, we can translate.
When Ortiz said he used to buy a protein shake, he meant, “I used to use steroids, and if anyone ever finds out I failed a drug test, I’m going to blame it on tainted shakes. Because real men don’t drink fruit smoothies.”
When Ortiz said players who fail drug tests should be suspended for a whole season, he actually meant, “Anybody who gets caught now should be severely punished not for using drugs, but for being stupid enough to get caught.”
Come to think of it, Papi might have a point there.
‘Roid Sox just closed the clubhose to the media.
Yeah, that’ll work.
Joe I
July 30th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
“Does MLB Network take the YES feed or do they have their own guys in the booth?”
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The MLB Network does in fact have a YES feed but not for all games. At times the opposing team’s broadcasters will do a Yankee game, some of them good and others not so good.
if you can’t tell – i’m in a training break
I also just learned that a partner of my firm left to help Don Mattingly start his bat company – where was I when that project came along!
betsy
July 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Hey, The A’s did more than I could have hoped for against the Sox ……..no complaints here
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Hard to complain about the A’s against Boston. They’ve done better against the Red Sox than the Yankees have.
The Sox pen has struggled for awhile….not sure how NASTY they are
Jack Cust cost the A’s this game…terrible outfield defense…Nick Swisher anybody??…dont blame the sun either…The Sox had no problems
I was comparing the NESN gun to Gameday and every reading was identical. Penny was throwing 98 last night. I dont think he throws that hard.
LOL GB -true..and in the end the Sox are a better team than the As. Hopefully the Yanks take care of business tonight, but if they don’t, so be it.
Oakland turned back into Oakland three-and-a-half innings before they should have. Oh well, a split works. If New York takes care of business, it doesn’t matter what Boston does.
Joe going to wear these guys down. Hinske will be worthless when he finally plays. Why have any bench players we might as well stick with the nine starters, Molina and 15 pitchers. When we fade in September we’ll know why.
Rishi
July 30th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
if you can’t tell – i’m in a training break
I also just learned that a partner of my firm left to help Don Mattingly start his bat company – where was I when that project came along!
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What does Mattingly know about hitting and bats, anyway?
Really sucks that it’s usually the biggest bum in the company gets all the choice jobs, doesn’t it?
Rishi
But, if he goes the protein shake route and if it comes out what he tested for and it’s not possible to take in powder form, he’s bait.
pat – I was just copy/pasting from ESPN.com
GB – no joke! too many non-baseball fans end up on that work/…met someone who got to go do some amazing work for mlb.com and had zero idea about baseball…I’ve started blatently asking anyone in the know for that type of work!
Good stuff from SI:
“New York Yankees
As should be expected from a franchise that has more Hall of Famers than any other, the Yankees were well-represented in Cooperstown on Sunday. Joe Gordon, the 1942 AL MVP with the Bronx Bombers, was inducted, as was Rickey Henderson, who spent four and a half seasons with the Yankees. The broadcaster’s inductee was Tony Kubek, a former AL Rookie of the Year with the Yankees who spent 10 years with the club and then served as their broadcaster before quitting in the wake of the 1994 players strike (and who would have been played off the stage if this had been an awards show for his rambling, unscripted and occasionally cringe-worthy speech). When Kubek left the booth, he essentially divorced himself from the game he had been intimately involved with for his entire life. How much so? He admitted in a 2008 interview with the New York Times that “I’ve never seen Derek Jeter play.” That is simply astonishing to me, and could make things awkward around the Otesaga Hotel in Cooperstown when Jeter is enshrined about 10 years from now when the Hall of Famers commiserate. Kubek has missed out on quite a bit of Jeter’s brilliance, and that’s just this season. The Yankee captain is batting .322/.400/.455 with his usual power/speed combo and showing improved defense as part of his best year since 2006, when he finished second in the MVP voting. Just as the Yankees have quietly moved up the standings to grab a season-high 3 1/2-game lead in the AL East, so has Jeter very unobtrusively moved into serious MVP territory.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....index.html
sorry, i amend my previous statement…the offday is monday, not tuesday… so does mitre pitch wednesday in Toronto then?
betsy
July 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
LOL GB -true..and in the end the Sox are a better team than the As. Hopefully the Yanks take care of business tonight, but if they don’t, so be it.
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The White Sox are a dangerous team, especially for left handers against those bats. That’s also a solid rotation to face. NYY caught one break in not facing Ramirez. He looks like he really hurt himself on a slide into 2nd base last night
Anywhere that you can watch the Game 7 of the ALCS 2003 online?
FYI…Peter Gammons coming up on ESPN for his take on the latest Ortiz/Manny news. I expect we should be hearing the usual from Gammons…like how Jed Lowrie projects to be a perennial all-star.
minus Posada, i am again surprised by this line-up. i have to assume beginning tomorrow, some guys will get days off.
i thought hinske would start today because the white sox are throwing a right hander tonight, and none scheduled to start this weekend.
if duncan is called up in time to play tomorrow, he’ll be somewhere in the outfield, giving either damon or melky a blow.
“The White Sox are a dangerous team, especially for left handers against those bats. That’s also a solid rotation to face. NYY caught one break in not facing Ramirez. He looks like he really hurt himself on a slide into 2nd base last night”
That slide was ugly.
Gammons on ESPN News.
Rishi
July 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
pat – I was just copy/pasting from ESPN.com
GB – no joke! too many non-baseball fans end up on that work/…met someone who got to go do some amazing work for mlb.com and had zero idea about baseball…I’ve started blatently asking anyone in the know for that type of work!
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You’re going about it all wrong, Rishi. Tell them that you don’t know squat about baseball, but, you’re willing to give up your personal time to learn, and that traveling to games and talking to players might help speed your knowledge along.
Don’t forget to ask for an expense account….you know, to take the clients to dinner and such.
I am surprised Molina is catching Andy, it seems Andy and Posada are a good combination. I thought Posada would have had a day off against the Rays and their running game.
what’s gammons saying on espnnews?
“When we fade in September we’ll know why.”
Hey there, Debbie Downer.
strange, i thought Gammons would be wearing all black today.
he’s not saying much, basically saying how he’s surprised because Ortiz is such a good guy, etc etc etc.
“I am surprised Molina is catching Andy”
This will make it 3 starts in a row that Molina has caught Andy.
Gammons is pathetic. Is anybody else watching this?
Gammons is pathetic. Is anybody else watching this?
Guess who is back….
Canseco tells Pedro Gomez today, he knows there’s a player currently in the HOF that has used.
I hope someone gets the list and releases all the names on it.
Red Sox fans will support Ortiz.
Dogers fans will support Manny.
Yankee fans will support Alex.
It all depends on what team you root for. Support your player and rip other teams players.
ePic- thanks, I didn’t realize that
“It all depends on what team you root for. Support your player and rip other teams players.”
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right
but Ortiz criticized other players who used PEDs back in February.
if you cheated yourself, dont rip people who cheated. just keep your mouth shut.
what a phony
Joe I
July 30th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
“The White Sox are a dangerous team, especially for left handers against those bats. That’s also a solid rotation to face. NYY caught one break in not facing Ramirez. He looks like he really hurt himself on a slide into 2nd base last night”
That slide was ugly.
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Yeah, it was. I was sure that it was a blown knee or broken leg, considering the way it was twisted. It hurt just watching it.
“The Sox pen has struggled for awhile….not sure how NASTY they are”
Look at their ERA’s and their stuff and tell me they don’t have the best pen in the majors.
There’s more than one player in the HoF who used.
what did Gammons say that was pathetic?
I just tuned in late.
GreenBeret7
July 30th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Rishi
July 30th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
pat – I was just copy/pasting from ESPN.com
GB – no joke! too many non-baseball fans end up on that work/…met someone who got to go do some amazing work for mlb.com and had zero idea about baseball…I’ve started blatently asking anyone in the know for that type of work!
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You’re going about it all wrong, Rishi. Tell them that you don’t know squat about baseball, but, you’re willing to give up your personal time to learn, and that traveling to games and talking to players might help speed your knowledge along.
Don’t forget to ask for an expense account….you know, to take the clients to dinner and such.
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GREAT idea – I’ll be sure to invite you the first time I get the Yankee box seats
my friend had her corporate seats but I was in wilmington that day – so annoying
“Red Sox fans will support Ortiz.
Dogers fans will support Manny.
Yankee fans will support Alex.”
But the media supports Manny not Alex, where do they go with Ortiz? The Manny route where, well we love him anyway, or the Alex route, he’s evil and should have his private parts cut off.
If Gammoms were a player, he’d flunk breathalyzer tests routinely along with suspicion of heavy Boston delusionalism.
The Sox pen is excellent… but they aren’t as good as they played over the first half.
Also, they have had to work harder since their rotation has worn down and the innings might catch up to them.
Still, the bullpen is the least of the Sox worries.
Bingo Boston Dave,
No one has been more sanctimonious than this thing than the Red Sox fans. Dirt Dogs had a nice post on how Fenway calls out steroids cheats. Didn’t call the cheats out today.
Gammons was ready to cry, it was sad. I guarantee you he never had these kinds of emotions during the other steroid revealations.
I think Nomars interview on NESN in the clubhouse confirms hes on the list….he said its a stupid list that doesnt even matter anymore, “the list is a joke” lol
From the last thread, It does not make sense to bring up Shelly Duncan unless they plan to keep him. To send him back down he will have to clear waivers again
Personally, I dont care that ORtiz used steroids. I cared that the media, ESPN, every newspaper hid this until now.
And now that it has come out, nothing out of Boston Olney’s mouth, and every ESPN personality including Tim Kurk jian just made excuses and were angry about the releasing of names. All hypocritical when compared to Arod’s situation.
has john henry tweeted yet about his boy being named? somehow i’m sure that chowderhead will turn this story into another ANTI-Yankees rant-what a fool!!
i have zero sympathy for ortiz because in ST(only a few months ago), he made some strong comments about players who get caught using. a true phony if there ever was one!!
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
Jul 30, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Papelbon hitting 98, 99 on the gun. Yikes.
The Sox have a NASTY bullpen.
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bard & pap are nasty but paps is giving up a ton of walks.
their pen is real good though.
their starting pitching is a mess.
outside of becket & lester they have nobody.
wake is out,penny & smoltz stink & buchholz hasn’t proven a thing yet.
so in reality they could be 3 pitchers short.
if wake comes back ok & or buchholz steps up they will have their 4 or 5 pitchers but right now they are hurting big time.
they are also not the feared offensive team they once were.
ells & pedroia no power,drew,lowell,ortiz look old,varitek is varitek,bay hit a brick wall.
i know i have him on my fantasy team & he is killing me.
the only players that worry me are youk,pedroia & ellsbury’s speed.
they need a lot of pitching & a bat or two.
my how things have changed quickly.
ahhh David Roidtiz gets a pass like Manny Roidmirez?
At the end of the day, I think we all realize that steroids and PEDs were a problem that was spread across all teams.
I still blame MLB management as much or more than the players. They let it happen.
I also blame the media for singling out individual players as if they didn’t know that tons of players were using.
The media has turned into a cesspool of headline grabbers who couldn’t care less about anybody but themselves and their story.
Corey -
Way for another Bostonian who got booted out the door with with pickles and ketchup to defend the team that treated him like garbage.
I just heard ESPN say Big Papi is a Hall of Fame player before this story.
Im at work still so I’m not watching but in all seriousness how is Gammons crying? Did the thoughts of Ortiz and steriods never cross his mind? I mean especially after manny was suspended…. It seems ridiculous IMO.
Im at work still so I’m not watching but in all seriousness how is Gammons crying? Did the thoughts of Ortiz and steriods never cross his mind? I mean especially after manny was suspended…. It seems ridiculous IMO.
Rishi
July 30th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
You’re going about it all wrong, Rishi. Tell them that you don’t know squat about baseball, but, you’re willing to give up your personal time to learn, and that traveling to games and talking to players might help speed your knowledge along.
Don’t forget to ask for an expense account….you know, to take the clients to dinner and such.
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GREAT idea – I’ll be sure to invite you the first time I get the Yankee box seats
my friend had her corporate seats but I was in wilmington that day – so annoying
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Hey, not a problem. I love giving useful information. I’m best at advising others.
I called the Ortiz HR.
But I’m not proud of it.
I wonder if Ortiz or Manny will have to come out and do interviews and press conferences the same way ARod had to.
If ARod didn’t do it, he would have been hammered even worse by the media.
But with Ortiz, at least so far, it’s “I’m not surprised Ortiz used but he is such a good guy”
ARod = hatred from the media
Ortiz = mild disappointment
Ortiz revealed as a myth.
http://www.boston.com/sports/c.....tment.html
Big Papi was a HOF’er just like Jim Rice was. So naturally, he would have gotten in.
Mariano has too many walks in that 17 game span. What is wrong with him??
the media is just as corrupt as the players that have been named via the list.
gammons should be ashamed of himself. the guy is biased towards beantown. he should be reporting this story with the same intensity as he did when the A-Rod story this spring.
Why isn’t Hinske playing tonight? He is going to have a sore behind sitting on the bench. He can hit, give him some playing time.
John Henry has taken the day off from tweeting so far…
Bill James: “pretty soon we will all be using PEDs and these guys will be thought of as visionaries.”
NYY626 – Andy is my homeboy
He’s not crying persay, he’s making excuse after excuse and he looks as if he’s going to commit suicide.
But skip Bayless looked worse and was making sicker excuses.
Mike Wilbon just said “standing ovation to matt garza to go after Tex, that’s great, he’s a man.” and why, because jon albalaloser hit a guy b/c he has no control. Sick Sick ESPN
What a crock of junk this is. This is Francona after the game today. Yeah Ortiz has no idea what is going on and will be honest as always. Give me a break.
http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....talks.html
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
we were struggling, I called the Arod HR v Baltimore.
and i am proud of it!!!!!
Poopi will be poopi, it cant change its stink.
the union & players dropped the ball when they agreed to be tested & did not destroy the results wich they were told they could have if i am not mistaken.
the feds who are above everybody confiscated the results & here we are.
Jim Pir-one-Did you call it on the first pitch?
I can match that. I called the comeback vs. the Angels down by five in the eighth.
Ortiz just strikes me as too much of a one-dimensional player to be a Hall of Famer. He used to have a flair for the dramatic and everything, but besides the power, what is there?
He is someone who wouldn’t be able to hold up playing the field every day, someone whose career was only extended because he could be a DH.
You might say a more powerful version of Harold Baines, even though Baines was a better hitter for average.
There’s so much more to the game than being able to hit home runs.
Skip Bayless might as well just admit that the Hobbit (Pedroia) has threatened his family or something.
“Bill James: “pretty soon we will all be using PEDs and these guys will be thought of as visionaries.””
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I agree 100% except that it’s still sort of cheating right now.
I’d like to try HGH myself. If it were easier to get I would.
Years from now these players won’t be thought of as visionaries. They’ll be thought of as cheaters. And then if they are made legal the people who spearheaded that campaign will be heroes.
Jim-Pir, I figured he wasn’t literally crying lol. But I just can’t believe that he is actually shocked about this.
There is only one player I’d be shocked took steroids, and that is Jeter. And even then I could believe it.
If Ortiz used same fertility drugs as Manny does he become Big Mami?
lol
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....to-change/
Please please please let this be true, lol……
Also, Michael Kay came on with Don La Greca and said the Marlins are hot and heavy for Heath Bell…..I know the Yanks had inquired about him, but boy – it would be nice if they could pull one of these deals off. I admit, I’m impatient, lol. I do think other teams are asking for way more from the Yankees than from other teams and that makes it difficult
jim-why is ESPN sick. that is how the game is played.
whether you are a Yankee fanatic or not, it was easy to imagine garza would hit someone to retaliate for the ball Joba threw to the rays 3b.
i had no problem with what Sutcliffe said during the ESPN telecast last night. he was right on the money. being a former pitcher, his insight was coming from a good source.
i’m just glad Tex was not injured and that he did not go after Jeter with the baseball
Say what you want about Ortiz, but Francona has always been a model of class.
No one knows what we’ll think in 20 years.
The Ortiz story didn’t break until 12:15 when many of the naive Boston fans were in the Green Sardine Can already unaware of the news ….. hence the ovations he got.
Most Boston fans will still be in denial but most interesting will be how the ownership group led by John Henry handle the aftershock. Ortiz will most certainly have to hold a press conference or look even more hypocritical.
“If Ortiz used same fertility drugs as Manny does he become Big Mami?”
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nice
Bill James probably caught wind Ortiz, and Manny were on the 2003 list
“The Ortiz story didn’t break until 12:15 when many of the naive Boston fans were in the Green Sardine Can already unaware of the news ….. hence the ovations he got.”
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I had plenty of friends at the game and they all were well aware.
I think the people who didn’t know, found out as soon as they got to the park.
Jim Rice is an avid adult movie collector.
it’s of no significance, just thought I would mention it since it’s ok to bash the Red Sox today…
Hey, guys, some shameless self promotion–I’m gonna have a live chat on my blog in ten minutes. Come on by–I’d love for it to not be a disaster!
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I would imagine most in Boston knew pretty soon after the news broke. With Twitter, it spreads like wild fire.
I found out while I was walking to the subway…
Gammons is a Red Sox hack. It’s embarrassing to see how different his reaction to Ortiz being outed as opposed to A-Rod.
Boston Dave: So is Matsui.
Rebecca-True.
But if you want to talk opinion, I don’t think we’ll be seeing anybody as visionaries. What if it were illegal to take out the SS/2b on a DP ball (just an example) and then 10 years from now they change the rules and make it within the rules to do so? Will the people who did it be considered visionaries?
I don’t think so.
And you’re right, I have great respect for Terry Francona. I lost a lot of respect for Big Papi.
Ortiz, struggling through a slump that sent him to the bench earlier this season, declined to comment to the newspaper. But as reporters entered the Red Sox clubhouse after the game, they were handed a statement – on plain, white paper without the team logo – in which Ortiz said he was “blindsided” by the news.
“Based on the way I lived my life I’m surprised to learn I tested positive,” the statement said. “I will find out what I tested positive for. … Based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with the club and the public. You know me – I will not hide and I will not make excuses.”
There’s nothing wrong with the fans supporting Ortiz. We still support A-Rod, right (or a good amount of us)?
Link to the Ortiz quote:
http://boston.stats.com/mlb/recap.asp?g=290730102
much like S.F. fans supported bonds until he left the team, i am not surprised if the beantowners support ortiz. if anybody is shocked, then you must have a problem.
It looks like the Pirates are trying to trade away their entire team. Poor Ross Ohlendorf probably won’t know anybody else in the clubhouse as soon as tomorrow ends.
Earlier, Jon Heyman said that the Mariners had asked for Hughes or Chamberlain as part of the deal for Washburn. An hour later, Buster Olney, pretty much calls Heyman a liar, or at least got the “word” from Seattle that Heyman was wrong and that wasn’t correct.
I say that after comparing their paper cuts, they meet under the Serena Roberts Banner to have it out. Loser has to admit to lying and then has to date Roberts, OUT IN PUBLIC.
Rebecca
how do you know that?
don’t smoke me on this,but do the 104 players who failed the test in 2003 know that they did & if so why not come out and say you did before it all leaks out because in time it all will.After the Sox game in the managers press statement he made it seem that Ortiz was surprised & wanted to get answers to questions before he talked to the press
Who cares? Do we expect Boston fans not to cheer? He is on their team. Just like Yankees fans with Arod. I don’t care. I just don’t have to hear my Sox friends try to claim Yankees titles are tainted, but the Mitchell report didn’t find anything on current Sox players. I mean Mo Vaughn, Nomar, Clemens, etc were all supposed “Sox” players on the list, but were found guilty after leaving the team shockingly. Let’s see Manny surprised me a bit, Ortiz was obvious, VTek?, Mueller and guys like Millar suddenly came from no where too, I mean let’s get real, every team was tainted. But at least the Sox fans can’t fool themselves into thinking they were clean, the same way they think the Yankees are the team that has an unlimited payroll and they are somehow part of the rest of the pack that can’t spend and are at a huge disadvantage.
No shot Ortiz is reupped and once he’s gone they will throw him under the bus as they did with Nomar, as they did with Clemens, as they did with Manny, as they did with Mo Vaughn, as they do with almost every star that leaves to go elsewhere. Amazing all those face of the team franchise players most Sox fans now dislike. How many Yankees can you name that get kicked along like that and hated afterwards??
I know I’m being pedantic here (if I’m using the word correctly) but isn’t it Selena Roberts? With an l?
All is quiet on the Halladay front.
No titles are tainted. You can start tainting WS rings and pennants and things. Punish the individuals involved, not the team as a whole.
I think it’s really hysterical how so many of you hang on every word uttered by Peter Gammons or any other reporter. All of these guys are there to sell newspapers or attract more readers. They don’t control what you think or the results on the field, so why give a crap at all? Do you really care if anyone except yourself and other Yankees fans enjoy it when they win? There are certainly enough Yankees fans around the world, it isn’t exactly like the media turns everyone against them.
Te Sox fans gave Nomar a standing ovation I believe.
Ortiz was blindsided??? Really???? The dumb Nation faithful will eat up the purchases he made at GNC I am sure. They always eat anything up like a cult.
Ortiz is not a hall of famer and after this no friggin way. he stunk then was great and found to take rouids but there is no cause and affect just a huge coincedence.
really who is suprised the guy hit about 10 jacks a yr. in the metrodome….he is breaking down in his ealry 30’s….wonder why? look at nomar’s career, look at the SI cover, look at his medical records, nah… just bad luck not a roid taker………………………………………….
Jose Canseco: “And I’ll tell you this, Major League Baseball is going to have a big, big problem on their hands when they find out they have a Hall of Famer who’s used.”
Very curious to who that HOF is. As much as Canseco has been bashed throughout this, he has pretty much been dead on with everything he has said. Things can get really interesting after that comment he just made
Te is the.
And Ortiz is no where close to HOF numbers. He can’t even sniff the HOF even without the roids. His numbers are no more impressive than Giambi’s were. Is Giambi a HOFer?
HOF’er is probably Rickey…would make sense (and a teammate)
Adam-It’ll be Piazza. That’s my guess.
Most people don’t know that he has been linked to steroids before.
Adam July 30th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Jose Canseco: “And I’ll tell you this, Major League Baseball is going to have a big, big problem on their hands when they find out they have a Hall of Famer who’s used.”
Very curious to who that HOF is. As much as Canseco has been bashed throughout this, he has pretty much been dead on with everything he has said. Things can get really interesting after that comment he just made
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AROD
michael kay is way off base the yanks are not getting halladay under almost any circumstance and the yare not taking on vernon wells contract no chance….
last i looked hughes and joba are not prospects but are just studs producing in the major leagues. also trade ajax then who are the yanks outfielders next year?
montero from everything I read is the best hitting prospect in baseball those guys almost never flop.. he is not a huge swing and miss guy, according to steve goldman he is a can’t miss superstar the best yankee hitting prospect in 40 years……………
Said that before, Canseco’s comment is Rickey Henderson if I had to guess. Anyone know if Canseco was on that Toronto team when Rickey was there? I am sure their paths crossed at least once.
At the end of the day, whether RIGHT OR WRONG, fans of a team usually don’t care about the citizenship of its players, the fans only care about whether the players can still perform or not.
If a player’s performance is good enough, all is forgiven.
I’m not saying that this viewpoint is necessarily right, it’s just the way things are.
I think Canseco meant someone CURRENTLY IN the HOF
L to the 2nd-But wouldn’t Jose have outed him if Rickey used?
Yeah the HOF Canseco mention would have to be someone recent I would think. Would be absolutely shocked if it was someone like Ripken or Gwynn
Canseco was talking about someone already in the HOF who used
Adam,
Thats very interesting. If that statement Canseco made is true,then there will be BIG trouble. Very interesting. I would also like to know that name.
Wait:
Maybe, but why mention this point NOW? After he just gets elected?
I don’t think he meant someone already in.
He was just making a blanket comment meaning someone who is in or someone who is going to get in will have used.
That idiot on Loud Mouths Carlin thinks that the yankees should trade Chamberlain despite his great pitching of late. Some of these guys are just a bunch of know-nothing hacks. Halladay is going no where and especially not to the yankees or red sox so why try to trade him.
L to the 2nd-I don’t think he meant anybody in particular. He just mentioned it because it was HOF week. Why couldn’t it be Rice? Or even Aaron?
Wait:
I don’t think that at all. I think he definitely meant someone currently in the Hall.
Why not just say ARod then? He has HOF numbers already.
My money’s on Rickey
I just wonder why he didn’t make a point of saying that when he first made accusations. That’s what makes me think it’s someone pretty recent. Since Rickey (I’m almost sure) was a teammate, Canseco would know.
L to the 2nd-He didn’t say A-Rod because A-Rod won’t get in. He’s talking about someone who they don’t know has juiced yet, like Piazza. It’s not widely known about Piazza, so he’ll get in, evidence will get out, and boom.
If Canseco knows of someone though it would be someone he played with or when he was playing. And Rickey makes some sense. He was huge, but always was. Not sure he would point to someone in there a while, how could he claim to have proof of that or knowledge of it?
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 30th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
L to the 2nd-He didn’t say A-Rod because A-Rod won’t get in. He’s talking about someone who they don’t know has juiced yet, like Piazza. It’s not widely known about Piazza, so he’ll get in, evidence will get out, and boom.
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You’re dreaming if you think A-Rod won’t get in. He’s not eligible for a vote for what? 15ish years from now. He’s most likely going to make it in easily. The voters and the views will be different in 15 years
Ellsbury already has 46 SB’s and hasn’t always batted lead off this year. Saw him make a beatiful diving forward catch. Now there’s CF I would like to have.
I would be shocked if Rickey took steroids. I wonder how the Hall of Fame would react to that?
I don’t think he knows. He was just making a blanket comment like, “Somebody we don’t think has juiced probably has”. Not to mention, why wouldn’t he just use Henderson’s name?
Don’t get me wrong Rickey could have juiced but I doubt Canseco was referring to that.
Shdw-Maybe he’ll get in but the point is the majority of the fans don’t think so right now. And you’re dreaming if you think otherwise.
Not exactly sure who Canseco is talking about. I’m trying to think of a few other current Hall of Famers that he was a teammate of.
Jose was teammates with Eckersley and Nolan Ryan, but I definitely couldn’t imagine it being either one of them.
We’ll see.
Another book deal?
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 30th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Shdw-Maybe he’ll get in but the point is the majority of the fans don’t think so right now. And you’re dreaming if you think otherwise.
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Well said “fans” should take a look at the current HOF voters. There are more than a handful that have already came forward and said they will vote in known steroid users and in 15 years, I’m sure there will be a lot more.
Why couldn’t it be Ryan? His fastball had abnormally high velocity for an abnormally long period of time, and he seemed to have a knack for avoiding injuries.
Adam: No way for Cal Ripken, Jr. His dad would have taken him out by the barn for a big whupping. Cal is a cherished legend in MD.
This is one big reason why I dislike these leaks about who was on “the list” – it gives that hack Canseco a stage to jump up on and try to tapdance for tips. Whether or not he has been right or wrong means nothing to me. It’s his shameless one-trick pony acts of creating spotlights of opportunity for himself that are just disgusting.
Apparently this unspoken unified front of brotherhood between players only lasts until one of them is down and out. All bets are off after that, eh Jose?
Shdw-Maybe there will, but right now A-Rod isn’t getting in and most people don’t think he will.
I think fans (& writers) will have a short memory when it comes to this in 10-15 years.
Don’t get me wrong, they’ll label the ’90s/early 2000s the “Steroid Era” just as easy as the “Dead Ball” Era has been mentioned
Wait til they come to OUR house AGAIN,
I thought Ryan only took Advil.
get ready for the MILKSHAKE EXCUSE FROM ORTIZ It is coming big time. he will be a cross between sammy sosa and manny on his press conference play dumb denial..
how could anyone go for this folly. just admit you cheated like 100’s of others for a simple reason $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
really is that shocking………
It definitely could have been Cal. Who says anybody knew but him and whoever supplied him?
Clearly since so many names are being outed we don’t know about some of these users are smarter than we think to avoid detection for such a long time.
And of course the situation is there. Cal was abnormally durable, obviously. Why couldn’t it be steroids that caused it?
I think Ryan was just one of those freaks of nature, but who knows.
Can’t wait for Ortiz to revert into Chico Escuela mode.
if ortiz pulls a sosa and claims to not have command of the english language, i.e. giving statements via a sheet of paper vs taking the mic and speaking, then even more reason to throw the book at him
Loving watching these postgame interviews. Go into your holes “Perfect Ones”!!! What goes around!!!
his excuse is he drank or ate items that he did not know the substance was in..
he will exasterbate the situation by continuing the lie.. this should be funny….
arod for all his foibles was somewhat honest after he was backed into the corner…………..
Deadline < 22 hrs. away.
Is that all there is?
I hope we won’t get swept by these Sox, too.
The trade deadline is less than 24 hours away.
I am surprised that C-Money has done next to nothing to address either the bullpen or the back end of the rotation.
Here’s to placing inordinate amounts of faith in Andy Pettitte and Sergio Mitre.
What will the Yanks players say?
Alex?
Jeter?
Tex?
The Mad Prince in Pinstripes -
You can probably calm down a little bit. With 22 hours left before the deadline and then waivers still available for the rest of the season, you can probably feel pretty safe. If you want to freak out, you can at least wait till 4 pm tomorrow. I think Cashman knows what he needs to do.
Hall of Famers Jose Canseco played with:
Don Sutton
Reggie Jackson
Dennis Eckersley
Rickey Henderson
Goose Gossage
Nolan Ryan
Wade Boggs
A-Rod: Well I made my mistakes too so I wis David only the best and hope he can get through this.
Tex: It’s sad, but I know he’s remorseful about it and he admits his mistake, so we’ll have to see what happens.
Jeter: Well that’s too bad. I’m sure he’lll admit his mistake and I guess the best thing we could do right now is accept his apology and move him. It’s sad though.
Mo doesn’t have 5 walks in the last 17 games.
wis is wish.
Boston Olney says Halladay talks are “dead”
So is his credibility
Cash will fill some roles, but that’s about it. No big names unless the price drops substantially
I’m stickin’ with Rickey (for what it’s worth)
If Halladay IS moved (don’t know anymore) Riccardi will say “Well we weren’t in active discussions, just waiting for the right deal, and we got one.”
Don’t think it’s a 100% certainty he’s not moved.
1918 is back with a vengeance.
91 years and counting.
so the way it looks is that all of the 1200 MLB in 2003 that took the drug test 104 failed & none of players knew who failed until the leaks started
Canseco is definitely referring to Rickey.
At least that’s what makes sense.
He says this a few days after the guy gets inducted.
Classy.
In proper perspective, Manny Ramirez was always a good hitter going back to his days with the Cleveland Indians.
Not the case with Ortiz. He didn’t become what he [was] until he suddenly started putting up big power numbers in 2003. That’s when they were the centerpieces of the Boston lineup and since August of last year ….. pffffft ! The tandum was broken up and now the lineup features Pedroia and Youkilis who now must be feeling that the team is getting heavy riding on their backs. A slumping Jason Bay will never offer the lineup protection that Manny did.
2004 *
2007 *
Ladies and gentlemen, presenting your 2004* and 2007* world series champions, the Boston Fraud Sox. Led by Manny “I’m still trying to get pregnant so I need these hormones bad” Ramirez, David “geeze now that my dealer in the Mets clubhouse been caught I gotta wonder if there was something bad in my milkshakes” Ortiz, Jason “yeah I did so what” Varitek, Trott “did you think I was a Yankee killer without any help?” Nixon, and a bottle of Jack Daniels in the clubhouse before every game, this group of heroes was responsible for what before now had been known as the greatest collapse in the history of sports. Now we all know it as “the Sux were using PEDS and it apparently really helped their game.”
On numerous Sux fan-oriented baseball forums across the country, the name “trisha” is hopefully being thrown around by the high-fiving RSN gangs who always told her she was crazy when she talked about fatso’s rise to glory and how it was virtually impossible for someone to go from being a mediocre player in Minnesota to a superstar in beantown without some “outside help.”
The funniest line of all – fatso saying he would have to check to see if what he was hearing was true before he would address it. That’s code for “I’ll deny it if I find out it’s just an unsubstantiated rumor.” Alas, we now know the reporter had good information.
Special thanks to that self-interested “reporter” who first leaked the information about Arod. Without that, perhaps we wouldn’t be hearing about this.
There is no such thing as a tainted championship. Punsish the individuals involved, not the team. I’m 99.9% sure that every championship from 96′ on we had a juicer on our team, be it Bernie, Tino, Knoblauch, Brosius, or even Jeter. Not to mention Clemens.
With Halladay, it really depends on management – if they force him to do something & not wait for later, he’ll have to take whatever’s out there – b/c the price is dropping with each passing minute, and will really drop after 4 p.m. tomorrow.
If not, then they hold him & move on.
Trumpetman
July 30th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
That idiot on Loud Mouths Carlin thinks that the yankees should trade Chamberlain despite his great pitching of late. Some of these guys are just a bunch of know-nothing hacks. Halladay is going no where and especially not to the yankees or red sox so why try to trade him.
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Yeah I saw that too. His reasoning was because of the innings limit. The yankees are the ones who set Joba innings limit in spring training, now they should trade him because he is reaching his innings limit is silly.
Red sox are not getting Halladay that is media driven. According to Gammons who is basically Theo’s spokesperson he said JP doesn’t like Bucholz and the sox dont want to trade Bard and Kelly.
A package of Bucholz, Bowden and Lars anderson is not getting them Roy Halladay.
trisha…you get the list of teams in the Cape Cod list
Why couldn’t he be referring to Rice? He was inducted too you know.
That would be some major league stones on Rice after his discussions on the subject…don’t think it’s him
Yeah Rice juiced back in 1975.
Moron.
Shdw,
Definitely not freaking out, just a bit surprised that nothing’s been done yet.
But alas, yes, waivers.
I suppose Boston is the major threat in the East, so depending on what they do we can assess what needs we’ll address if any.
I think the bullpen is doing great but Aceves’s soreness could blow up at any time.
Why are Yankees fans worried about the deadline? Many of the guys they are looking at will clear waivers after the deadline. The prices will come down to. Cashman already has said as much that that was the plan. He won’t give up much. The Yankees are laying well. They have areas of concern, but would be different if they were 5 games back in second place. Relax. A ton of overpriced relievers and fifth starters to be had post deadline time. Just means no Halladay or others who weren’t coming anyway. Huston Street if colorado takes a dive. Linebrink in Chicago. Washburn. Guys like Arroyo and others who I don’t like will be around but usable. The only guy I do like is Duscherer, but he has to prove to be healthy and Beane will always rip your face off.
miggs-Why not? Mantle used greenies, moron.
Your posts are always insulting whenever you make a point. Just because they weren’t used as widely tdoesn’t mean there weren’t performace enhancing drugs back then. MORON.
Sox fans should be the ones concerned with the deadline. Adrian Gonzales, Halladay, Victor Martinez will never clear waivers.
I doubt seriously that Rickey Henderson ever used steroids. He doesn’t fit the pattern. He has never been hurt in his life. No leg injuries or muscle tears. He does like 500 situps & 500 pushups a day. I would be shocked if he did.
The steroid users all have seemingly had breakdowns and injuries & Rickey doesn’t fit that mold. He could still play today. He is just a freak of nature.
miggs,
Everyone on those late 80s early 90s A’s team were probably juicing.
If Ricky was too, would you really be surprised?
Wouldn’t be surprised if the HOF that used steroids is Ricky Henderson
Trenton’s De La Rosa is getting hit. Two solo homers in the first inning. The Yanks mistake was moving him up so fast. He has a ton of talent, but, last year was his first full year as a pitcher.
Montero’s RBI single to score Corona (double) cut the lead to 2-1 after 1 innings.
Someone is going to swoop in and snag Halladay, count on it.
They’re making Ricciardi sweat so that he has to “settle” for less than he thought he’d get for Halladay in the first place.
The Jays have a lot of young pitching, injured or not. They can afford to cut Roy loose without getting the greatest package in the world for him. They’re sure as heck not winning it all any time soon with or without Doc.
Rickey never had to worry about the testing and he could very well be on that list.
Wait:
I think when Canseco is talking, he’s talking about steroids, HGH, etc. – the “new wave” of PEDs. I think that rules out just about anyone who finished their career in the ’70s or ’80s.
Plus it probably was someone he knew fairly well – most likely a teammate.
Someone posted a list of his HOF teammates earlier. From that list, and the fact Canseco just makes a point of mentioing the HOF angle NOW, leadss me to think it’s Rickey.
Of course, I could be wrong….
joeman – thanks!
miggs
July 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Yeah Rice juiced back in 1975.
Moron.
Rice retired in 1989. There were no roids in the 80’s?
Kids in my HS were juicing in the early 80s.
Caught my College roommate shooting roids in 1986. Anything was possible in that loosey goosey time.
just sayin’
I still don’t think he meant someone he knew, and I’ve explained why already so I’d rather not reitierate my stance again. It was a pretty cryptic comment.
It was mentioned after the induction speeches. Amphetamines are a PED. Maybe he was accusing Rice. Why not?
Wait….your posts are usually garbage.
Canseco was refering to steroids. If that’s not obvious to you I don’t know what to tell you.
You think he’s talking about Rice taking greenies in the 70s that’s your issue.
No one is going to take you seriously spouting nonsense like that.
I’m pretty sure Cal Ripken Jr. was using in the `90’s.
‘Roids did not start with McGuire and Sosa.
Why would JP sweat? Worst thing he could do is trade Halladay to the Sox for a weak package and not compete in the AL East for years. He can cut payroll by dumping some other guys. As the economy improves by next year and teams have more needs Halladay can still be traded. What if the Sox miss the playoffs or Yankees, etc? The Rays fail?
IF (think the chances are getting slimmer) someone swoops in for Doc, my money’s on Cashman.
Cue Theme from Jaws….
Thank you Uncle Ellsworth.
I did not realize his career was that long but if so he ABSOLUTELY could have been referring to Rice as well. And with regular steroids too.
Has anyone heard of the list of ‘03 positive tests released by something called RotoInfo in June. In a blog on the Boston Globe’s website someone put up a numbered list of all 103 names.
Current or former Yankees: A Rod, Pettitte, Clemens, Giambi,Sheffield, Aaron Boone,Jose Contreras,Raul Mondesi,Bobby Abreu,Alfonso Soriano.
Current or former Red Sox: Ortiz, Manny, Nomar, Pedro, Damon, Derek Lowe,Trot Nixon,Shea Hillebrand,Keith Foulke,Eric Gagne,Carl Everett,Matt Clement.
Who is RotoInfo and is it legit?
“miggs,
Everyone on those late 80s early 90s A’s team were probably juicing.
If Ricky was too, would you really be surprised?”
No I wouldn’t be surprised at all.
You look at how ripped he was and it makes sense.
I forgot he was on those A’s teams.
Its too bad.
Drive 4-5: No, it was total crap and not true.
The rotoinfo list I believe was found to be completely fabricated.
My guess for the HOF’er on Roids = Babe Ruth.
But only during his red sox years.
Drive 4-5,
It was said to be a rumor and was shot down.
Steroids in the 70s? Nah!
“Pitcher Tom House who played from 1971 to 1978 admitted to using steroids during his career”
Thanks everyone.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 30th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Thank you Uncle Ellsworth.
I did not realize his career was that long but if so he ABSOLUTELY could have been referring to Rice as well. And with regular steroids too.
just sayin’ roids were prevelent in High schools in the 80’s among body buiders and football players.
Any baseball player could have gotten them.
Probably what Canseco was referring too was the number of people that will make it into the HOF that are/were steroid users. I wouldn’t doubt if he was referring to coaches or players who introduced him to the juice as well.
One of the worst things that happened to the Sox as well was Bucholz mediocre starts since he came back to the big leagues. We have seen Homer Bailey dominate the minors for years and then be given multiple chances in the bigs to just repeat what went wrong. Bucholz demeanor and what I have seen shows nothing to suggest he will be a feared #1 starter at any point. Very good, maybe, but not better than a Matt Garza
Thank you Tom.
Yeah, I’M the moron.
How about you STOP INSULTING PEOPLE. It doesn’t make you look any smarter. In fact it makes you look dumber when you’re wrong, miggs.
RayVT-I agree.
miggs
July 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Yeah Rice juiced back in 1975.
Moron.
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steroids were around long before that.
ask the governor of california.
Bucholz is too young for me to judge. For all I know he could end up as a great starter.
miggs,
Well, we don’t have anything concrete on Rickey, so let’s just hope he wasn’t. I grew up watching him play in Oakland he was an incredible player.
Phranchise,
I just agree with the baseball minds about Halladay’s trade value being higher now than its every going to be due to the argument that a competitive team would theoretically have him for two playoff runs.
I think the Dodgers would be the ideal fit for him and I think they have the pieces to get it done.
Alzado recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated. He said:
“ I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I’m sick, and I’m scared. Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We’re not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair’s gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way.”
Steroids have been around baseball for years:
1889, pitcher Pud Galvin drank monkey testosterone. Mickey Mantle was forced out of part of the ‘61 pennant race by an infection he got from the needle of a quack doctor who shot him up with a concoction of steroids and amphetamine. Sandy Koufax took so many nonanabolic steroids for his sore arm that he was sometimes “half high” on the field. Even Hank Aaron admitted to taking amphetamines once during a game.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4192628
Bucholz isn’t that young, he will be 25 in August.
How old are our guys?
That kid Anderson on Oakland?
Bucholz has similar hype to the great Jacoby Ellsbury.
How many pitchers 25 and under can you name who already are having success?
I am not saying he stinks, but he is no where close to the phenom they try to make him out to be.
are we tradin fo any1 ??
the day we all come to grips that everyone in baseball was doing roids, is the day we can move on. by everyone i mean from jeter and mo all the way down the list to canseco and big papi.
Ruth played in the era where only white athletes played
Aaron played in the era where everyone was on greenies
We are in the era that everyone was on roids
This is baseball. If you want to watch something funny, watch Ken Burn’s baseball inning 1. When the curveball was introduced in the 1880’s some people were outraged and thought it was cheating….lets move on
I always foound it fascinating that there were so many Italians on the Yanks.
MPP, I agree Dodgers should get him, but like a lot of these teams they won’t stick their necks out and take the money on. I mean the Rays the last two years we hear about these big trades they will make and it doesn’t happen. I think the Dodgers and Angels could use him big time. The Angels even more knowing Lackey is a FA and may be gone. The Angels are another team that’s always close to doing something big and doesn’t except for I would say the Tex trade. I just think the Yankees and Sox would still be in on Halladay in the offseason and might be more inclined depending how the season finishes.
I grew up in the 60’s & 70’s and trust me if you wanted steroids you could get them at any gym. Guys were getting big quickly and some of these guys & gals muscles were incredible. I saw people get huge using this stuff in the late 60’s. As I quoted from Lyle Alzado in SI he used them from 1969 onward. So stop with this greenies crap. Sure they were prevalent, but so were steroids. The 60’s were crazy with drugs of all types.
Greenies, steroids, that’s not the point. The point istha they could have used PED’s.
how about a vote for what we want to happen with Halladay?
a) Yanks give up one of Hughes, Joba, Montero and get Roy
b) Sox give up a ton (Buchholz, Bard, etc) to get Roy
c) Halladay traded to NL team (Dodgers?)
d) Toronto keeps Halladay
I realize most want Halladay without giving up one of the big 3 but let’s assume that’s not possible… because that would get almost 100% of the vote.
Love the inside info too. Guys saying Jays have zero going on and no talks right now and then another guy saying they are extensively talking with the Dodgers all day. Great info from someone
Did anyone catch the Sox postgame today? Did the POG David Ortiz speak? He had a heck of a game today from what I heard on the sports updates.
d) Toronto keeps Halladay
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 30th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I always foound it fascinating that there were so many Italians on the Yanks.
Tony Lazzeri?
Choice a. Give up Hughes. The reason I say Hughes over Joba is because I consider them equal or nearly equal prospects. Getting Halladay is a win now move, and if you want to win now it hurts less to give up Hughes, who’s in the pen, then Joba, who’s starting.
And my favorite. Cashman has done an excellent job keeping info. tight within the Yankees and stealthy. No one seems to really have much info so he controls it really well. That is a big complement and a ton different than it used to be.
Uncle-Tony Lazzeri, Joe Dimmaggio, Phil Rizzuto, and Yogi Berra were all Italian. That’s a pretty good amount with all things considered.
“Did anyone catch the Sox postgame today? Did the POG David Ortiz speak? He had a heck of a game today from what I heard on the sports updates.”
It’s on ESPNews right now.
I think the more time goes by, the more we know, the more we see that players have been trying to get an edge since time began. Whether Pud Galvin drinking monkey nut juice, or Mays, Aaron, Stargell and everyone else taking greenies, to modern pharmacology’s steroids, HGH, and other PEDs, players have been looking to improve their performance. The HOF may have a special steroid exhibit, as they should since they chronicle the history of the game.
But it’s clear that PEDs, in whatever the flavor of the era, are a part of baseball since baseball became organized.
Does that qualify as cheating? Because some players chose to not go that route, does that make them “good”?
I’m thinking more and more that cheaters are the ones who put nails in their bats, or deface the ball (what about Gaylord Perry, who, after going into the HOF, wrote a piece about how he cheated on the mound. Should he be booted out, or his plaque changed? How about Whitey Ford?) Guys who used drugs? While they may have taken chances with their health (Lyle Alzado, Ken Caminiti), did they really break rules and “cheat”?
I feel bad for Coke. Sinus infections are the worst.
Hughes, Montero and Jackson is the type of deal the bluejays are looking for from the yanks. I wouldn’t make that trade.
c) Halladay to the Dodgers so he stays in the NL and out there. No going thru the trade things again. Sox don’t get him. He will hit free agency when the Yankees can get him if they want or Sox could get him, but he would be replacing Beckett more than likely on his way out.
I just don’t like the idea of somebody using drugs to make themselves capable of doing things that would normally be impossible, like hitting 70 HR’s in 1 season.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 30th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Uncle-Tony Lazzeri, Joe Dimmaggio, Phil Rizzuto, and Yogi Berra were all Italian. That’s a pretty good amount with all things considered.
I know
GB and I and and some guy that used to post here had a long discuusion about the Merits af Lazzeri v Cano.
You kind of remind me of that guy.
Ortiz apparently is an idiot. He won’t make comment until he gets more information.
You should have heard the guys on WEEI. One of them kept coming back to Ortiz vehemently denying using PEDS when he was questioned during ST and said he would never disrespect his teammates or the game that way.
You need to update your poll. Rangers involved in talks, too.
I think that’s the best of the choices. Halladay to the Sox has no traction. Halladay to the Dodgers is scary.
Halladay to the Rangers might give them the wild card if the Red Sox stumble.
Sad as it is, the farm system faltered a bit this year due to injuries. Kennedy was off to a good start, Horne hurt again, Betcances, Brackman awful, Humberto Sanchez, Cox, etc. All of these pieces if they were playing well would provide some decent alternative talent for moves away from the guys we are trying to keep. I mean with CC, Burnett, Hughes and Joba, how many starting pitchers will the Yankees need over the next few years if mnay of these guys will pitch at the MLB level? Not all will pan out, but a few should and a few should give the Yankees a few nice trades.
Uncle-I don’t recall ever doing that, so it wasn’t me.
But yeah I’m into Yankee history and stuff. I’m still surprised that the Yanks had so many Italians. You have to understand, the Italians were rally dislike during that time. It’s surprising the Yanks had so many.
Will ESPN now send Pedro Gomez to follow Ortiz and the red sox around every game?
*really disliked*
“Ortiz apparently is an idiot. He won’t make comment until he gets more information.”
In fairness, Arod waited to meet with his propaganda team and was several days before he spoke on the matter.
I hope it’s Austin Jackson tomorrow
Bostn Dave:
I’ll take D.
You have to understand, the Italians were rally dislike during that time. It’s surprising the Yanks had so many.
New York had a lot of Italian fans.
Yes, but the difference is Arod supposedly came clean. Ortiz is still claiming to not know what happened. Apparently Manny was going to play this card until he found out that MLB had the actually drug prescription of what he was taking. Ortiz will not say a word because he only wants to admit to what they actually have on him ignoring the “other stuff”. Arod is always painted as the bad guy even before this. Big Papi and all that stuff how great a guy he is and the smug Sox fans, this clean image thing and the great guy is out the door. And he is still claiming that he will be open and honest as always ?!?!?!? What?
Reminds me of the old baseball joke:
A young Italian-American guy decided to take his father to see a baseball game. His father was from the Old Country and didn’t know anything about baseball. The son tried explaining the game, but pops wasn’t getting it. “What I wanna see this game for”?
“Pops, trust me. You’ll like it. You’ll get to see Joe DiMaggio”.
“He Italian boy”?
“Yeah Pop. He’s the best player too”.
“OK. I go”.
So, they are at the game and the son tries to explain the game some more. But all the old man cares about is Joe DiMaggio. “Where Joe DiMaggio”? “It’s not his turn yet, Poppa”. “Oh…”
Finally, it’s Joe DiMaggio’s turn at bat. “There he is, Pops. Let’s see if he gets to base”.
The pitcher sends one. “SWING Joe DiMaggio. SWING!…….. Why he not swing”?
“The pitch was too low Pops. They’ll try again”
Second pitch. “SWING Joe DiMaggio!!….. What wrong this time”?
“That one was too high”.
Third pitch was in the dirt.
“What happen now”?
“The pitcher still gets another try Pops”.
“Some kinda game….”
The pitcher winds up and delivers a pitch outside. Dimaggio begins to walk towards first base.
“RUN Joe DiMaggio!! RUNN!!!!………”
“Son. The other man he run. Why Joe no run”?
“He doesn’t have to run, Poppa”.
“Why not”?
“Because he’s got 4 balls”.
The father appears a bit shocked, then yells:
“Walk PROUD, Joe DiMaggio! Walk PROUD”!!
NY had a lot of Italians. That doesn’t mean they were well liked.
They did have the mafia.
“But yeah I’m into Yankee history and stuff. I’m still surprised that the Yanks had so many Italians. You have to understand, the Italians were rally dislike during that that time”
Who was really liked during that time would you say? The fact that so many Italians, my family included, came in through Ellis Island and settled in the NY area would make it very understandable, to me anyway, that there would be a lot of Italians on the Yankees.
Perhaps I am looking at it too simplistically.
I don’t see what you wouldn’t give AJax a shot. He is the closest thing to Gardner they have. Duncan is a power bat, but doesn’t help defensively. The way they are hitting they want a guy who can get on and cause some havok, pinch run and play some defense.
Wanzies-Actually that’s pretty funny.
The Rangers have the prospects to entice Toronto from what everyone says. I could easily see that happening if Nolan Ryan has any kind of say in it.
Ryan supports higher pitch counts for the Rangers, if they get Halladay, he might request that Roy throws 130 per start if need be.
Following Ortiz around could be the next assignment for Rachel Nichols, now that Favre has supposedly retired for good.
Alex makes a good play before the game begins-
When asked about Ramirez and Ortiz’s positive tests, Rodriguez would only reply with, “no comment”.
There are a couple of versions of the joke; one where the elder Italian is enticed to see a baseball game because of all the Italians on the NYY (Lazzeri, DiMaggio, Rizzuto, etc.).
Forgot about the Rangers…
I think I’d rather he just stay with Toronto (d)
“I hope it’s Austin Jackson tomorrow”
So do I. Could be used late in games for defense and has speed,plus he RH.
trisha-Well, yeah. But NY was not just a big market team, they were the biggest market team of all. And even after WWII, when a lot of anti-Italian sentiment was going around, the Yankees still had three HOF Italian players on their team in Dimmaggio, Rizzuto, and Berra. That’s surprising to me that they were accepted so easily into the baseball world, considering how widely exposed they were to the country.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 30th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
NY had a lot of Italians. That doesn’t mean they were well liked.
They did have the mafia.
That means they had jobs and went to baseball games.
Bronx = very Italian
Brooklyn = very Italian
“In fairness, Arod waited to meet with his propaganda team and was several days before he spoke on the matter.”
That’s true. And I actually did think about that. The whole of his statement just struck me as stupid, that’s all. Incidentally, every person who tested positive was given that information at the time, according to the Players Union. So that means fatso has known this the whole time.
Coverage still on ESNews right now.
“Yes, but the difference is Arod supposedly came clean. Ortiz is still claiming to not know what happened.”
Came clean? That’s so cute.
He admitted use and offered a ludicrous story created by his advisors and he didn’t do so until several days after it was brought to the attention of the media. If Ortiz needs to meet with his people and take a week or so to admit it and come up with a cousin to pin it on, I’ll give it to him.
Listen Guys, Here is what they need to do :
Just release the list. Please, give us ALL of the names. After we get the names, we put an asterisk and a sentence on the guy’s HOF plaque if he gets there.
Then, if you test for steroids, peace. You are gone. Done with baseball. Pete Rose type ban.
That is THE ONLY way to stop this. Or the other way is to get Bud Selig out.
All these reasons both Uncle and trisha are posting are true. But after WWII especially Italians were downright hated. It surprises me that they were accepted as members of a ball club w/o much trouble.
The Rangers have perhaps the best farm system in baseball.
The question is – will they empty it for Halladay?
(not empty it, of course, but perhaps fall out of the top 10 best farm systems)
Ortiz: “People who use PEDs are disrespecting their fans, their families, everybody…” (paraphrase)
Ortiz also was sighting personal issues and eyesight to start the season as reason for his struggles? Anything related to the stress of fearing he would get outed after Arod was found out? And then Manny? His two best friends. But now he’s claiming not to know why he would test positive? Maybe the needle sticking out of your fat butt had something to do with it. Or the Dominican milkshakes he was talking about. Or any of the stuff Manny gave him or told him to take. I mean come on with the big honest Big Papi. Big Phoney more like it.
Awesome joke.
In fairness to A-Rod, as ludicrous as the story admittedly was he says he did steroids and apologized, which are the only points most fans, including me, care about.
Steve B,
You’re not quite being fair. He never said it was his cousin’s fault. He said repeatedly that the only person he had to blame was the man in the mirror. Repeatedly.
Yeah, we have no idea that the facts he presented are true. Likely, he fudged a lot of stuff.
BUT:
1. He admitted to multiple use of steroid use.
2. Said it was no one’s fault but his own.
No one else has come close to that. No one.
Or you could play Ajax in center, melky in right, swish on the bench.
Rangers have quite a few pieces. Question is Perez is the main piece and their top pitching prospect. Do they trade a Volquez again for Halladay for this year and next? How do they fill out a pitching rotation around Hallday without spending big money. Remember Halladay has to approve the trade too. Millwood is hurt I believe. He would also go to a hitters ballpark.
“Just release the list. Please, give us ALL of the names. After we get the names, we put an asterisk and a sentence on the guy’s HOF plaque if he gets there”
Agreed. People were calling for it when Arod got named. They were right then, and you’re right now.
“That is THE ONLY way to stop this. Or the other way is to get Bud Selig out.”
Fehr was a far bigger problem than Selig, but you’re right, he’s got to go to. MLBPA and MLB minus Fehr and Selig is a good thing.
“Sad as it is, the farm system faltered a bit this year due to injuries.”
It’s true there have been injuries in the minors, but I think you’re taking too narrow a view of the minors.
In many ways the yankees minor league system as had a great year.
The purpose of the minors is to develop major league caliber talent. That’s it.
And a system’s ultimate evaluation goes into how many major leaguers it directly or indirectly produces and the quality of those players.
This year Hughes, Coke, Gardner, Melky, Pena, and Cervelli all showed – over a significant sample of games – that they are major league quality players.
That is an enormous success for the system give that all of those players were in the minors last year at some point and all had significant question marks coming into this year.
That is huge achievement for the system. And in many ways that is much more important than Jairo Heredia throwing a full season in high A.
The ultimate criteria for a successful minor league system is major league success.
The yankee’s minor league system has been instrumental in helping the major league club to the best record in baseball.
That’s a huge success.
Pujols is next
“But after WWII especially Italians were downright hated. It surprises me that they were accepted as members of a ball club w/o much trouble.”
????
Seriously?
Since members of my family served in the military in WWII, they were thought of as heroes and not pariahs after WWII. They were considered American and they considered themselves American. In fact since they were born in America, they were indeed American. Americans of Italian descent. I don’t remember hearing any stories about how hated Italians were because of the war. I did hear stories about how Italians were discriminated against when they came to America, but the same is true of the Irish, Polish, and members of every other nation who immigrated to America. It’s the way it waas.
“But after WWII especially Italians were downright hated.”
does this go for the thousands of Italian American Men who fought in the WWII.
You know at the END of the WWII Italy was on Our side?
In 1979 both Fred Lynn and Jim Rice got huge. I always thought, even back then, that they had started screwing around with steroids.
“Pujols is next”
Can’t wait.
Excellent points about the minor league clubs, CB.
Steve B,
Definitely. They don’t realize the times are changing. We are getting more athletic players and they are stuck in 1990.
The issues regarding trading draft picks, steroid testing, salaries…Selig doesn’t know what he is talking about.
The NFL was like this too. Paul Tagliabue was the commish until 3 years ago. During his time, the NFL was getting old, it was not until the Patriots and their superbowl stories started to save the NFL fan base. Roger Godell came in, and he was the law.
If he thinks a player should be fined/suspended/kicked out, he gets facts and makes a decision.
Bud just turns the other way.
“Pujols is next”
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If Pujols used PEDs, then I definitely hope he gets caught.
But I hope he didn’t.
Great post,CB.
CB guess I meant from development standpoint going into the year I assumed many of these high end pitchers in low minor league levels would have developed a bit quicker and guys like Kennedy could be relied on for a situation like the Yankees have now, a need for a solid fifth starter. Right now the guys you mentioned already have come up except you are right Coke continues to pitch well, Cervelli and Pena were great. I guess I was hoping enough of the underlying talent would have developed closer to being major league ready to use as trade chips as well. The guys mentioned now are very important pieces to the Yankees future and their ability to control payroll and creat flexability. So you can’t move the pieces they are talking about. The Betcances, Brackman, Kennedy, Bleich, Cox, Horne type guys may or may not fit in here. Those type guys are how the Yankees landed Marte and Nady last year without touching the core. But the system is light years better.
Ortiz: “I am surprised to hear I tested positive for steroids.”
See that’s nothing but disingenuous. That’s what bothers me.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis
July 30th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
“But yeah I’m into Yankee history and stuff. I’m still surprised that the Yanks had so many Italians. You have to understand, the Italians were rally dislike during that that time”
Who was really liked during that time would you say? The fact that so many Italians, my family included, came in through Ellis Island and settled in the NY area would make it very understandable, to me anyway, that there would be a lot of Italians on the Yankees.
Perhaps I am looking at it too simplistically.
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The vast majority of the Itallian players on the ’30s and ’40s with the Yanks came out of the SF Bay area, including DiMaggio, Crosetti and Lazzeri. Others like Pepitone and Rizzuto out of NY.
trisha-Well I know more or less for a fact that before Dimmaggio enlisted people were calling in to radio shows and writing to the newspapers things along the lines of, “Who does that wop think he is…”
Of course he enlisted and they forgot all about it, but that’s besides the point.
The Italians were thought of sort of as laughingstocks. Kind of like bumbling idiots at the time. People alwys made fun of their broken English and things of that nature. The Italins were not well liked.
The NFL is IMO going through a second golden age.
my god, let it go people, this is what we have come down to, how players react when caught cheating….wake up, everyone did it. can we please move on???
Big Papi’s blood tested positive for bacon grease…
If you’re interested in the history of baseball and the various ethnic groups that have contributed to that history, go to the library and pick up:
The American Game: Baseball and Ethnicity,
edited by Lawrence Baldassaro & Richard Johnson
trisha,
manny was just as bad if not worse.
first, he tried to cover his tracks with the fertility drugs so he wouldn’t get caught. then he realized he was caught red-handed and just gave some bs answer.
now we see that manny had and probably has been using for a long time but he still has nothing to say.
ARod isn’t much better, but he did apologize after he got caught and admit he used steroids.
Manny and Ortiz should follow suit.
You betcha that Italians have been made fun of for a long time. It worked great for us when Bullwinkle became a football star at Whatsamatta University, we got so many laughs…
“The Italians were thought of sort of as laughingstocks. Kind of like bumbling idiots at the time. People alwys made fun of their broken English and things of that nature. The Italins were not well liked.”
And you heard this where? At home? Maybe because my grandmother’s father was a pharmacist in Italy, her uncle was a famous sculptor who was a contemporary of both Verdi and King Juan Carlos, and my mother was the first female accepted into MIT – in aeronautical engineering to boot – it never occurred to me that Italians were considered bumbling idiots and were not well liked. I guess I’ve been pretty sheltered.
from bostondirtdogs.com (my new favorite Sox site):
“This Just In: Ortiz Expected to Star in ‘Wanna Get Away?’ Commercial for Southwest Airlines Before Sox Fly Down to Baltimore today”
“Big Papi’s blood tested positive for bacon grease…”
trisha-I read a very good Pulitzer Prize wining Biography on Joe Dimmaggio that when through these details (Joe Dimmaggio: A Hero’s Life).
I hope (REALLY hope) you understand that I’m not saying any of it’s true. It’s not, of course. But that’s what the book said people thought of Italians at the time. The Mafia formed for a reason; they were being discriminated against.
Christina25 where are you!
I hope Pujols never took steroids. He’s my favorite player and the only player I have a jersey for who’s not on the Yankees.
Perhaps It’s a good time for me to mention that, loosely related, I am part Italian. But I never see my few Italian relatives except on Christmas and Easter.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 30th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
trisha-I read a very good Pulitzer Prize wining Biography on Joe Dimmaggio that when through these details (Joe Dimmaggio: A Hero’s Life).
I hope (REALLY hope) you understand that I’m not saying any of it’s true. It’s not, of course. But that’s what the book said people thought of Italians at the time. The Mafia formed for a reason; they were being discriminated against.
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Not any more, we took care of it.
Surprisingly for a people not renowned for athletic prowess, us Jews are fairly well represented in baseball–even have two hall of famers, Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax.
Both wouldn’t pitch on Yom Kippur. Both are among my (admittedly many) heroes.
YES Clubhouse Report with Bob Lorenz and Kim Jones:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/63397561c30fc3cf/
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Surprisingly for a people not renowned for athletic prowess, us Jews are fairly well represented in baseball–even have two hall of famers, Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax.
Both wouldn’t pitch on Yom Kippur. Both are among my (admittedly many) heroes.
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Rebecca, you are aware that Kevin Youkilis is one of the tribe also, right?
From our Dynasty years, who are sure HOFs?
My guess is Mo and Jeter.
Porbably no one else gets in.
Roger is trainted, Moose came later (may get in) and Bernie does not have the numbers.
From RedSOX’ WS achievements, with today’s revelations no one will make it.
What do you think?
Todd July 30th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Big Papi’s blood tested positive for bacon grease…
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lol funny
Wait, I certainly cannot contest anything you’ve read in a book. And I can’t say that certain people may have not felt that way toward Italians. But since everyone who came to America from another country – other than England – spoke some sort of broken English and were made fun of, it doesn’t strike me that Italians had it any better or worse than any other immigrant ethnicity. I guess that’s all I’m saying. I’ve certainly never felt any discrimination personally, but then again I live in a community where there are a lot of people of Italian descent.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 30th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
trisha-I read a very good Pulitzer Prize wining Biography on Joe Dimmaggio that when through these details (Joe Dimmaggio: A Hero’s Life).
I hope (REALLY hope) you understand that I’m not saying any of it’s true. It’s not, of course. But that’s what the book said people thought of Italians at the time. The Mafia formed for a reason; they were being discriminated against.
One more comment and I’m done. Your original question was “Why did the Yanks have so many Italians?”
Large part of their fanbase was Italian or Catholic
These Guys could Play!
Hank Greenberg wouldn’t pitch on any day.
Mo and Jeter are the only sure HOF’ers.
If you count Moose as a member of the dynasty team, he’s a maybe. Posada is a myabe. Andy if he reaches 300 wins (highly improbable but possible) may get in after a few years since he wasn’t a heavy juicer, and anyway I think there’s a chance the sportswriters might just forgive the juicers.
trisha and Uncle, all good points.
I was just sayin I was surprised at the amount of Italians on the team. As Uncle said, the best answer probably is that those guys could play!
“Rebecca, you are aware that Kevin Youkilis is one of the tribe also, right?”
Shawn Green too.
“Surprisingly for a people not renowned for athletic prowess, us Jews are fairly well represented in baseball–even have two hall of famers, Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax.
Both wouldn’t pitch on Yom Kippur. Both are among my (admittedly many) heroes.”
Check out the documentary “The Life and Times of Hank Greenberg” it’s amazing.
Lots of good Jewish players these days. Ryan Braun, Youk, Ben Zobrist, Ian Kinsler.
I just found that Ian Kinsler is also, add Ryan Braun and we have the makings of a good team…
MB: Youk, Kinsler and Ryan Braun presently.
FWIW, Jason Hirsch, too.
If you go to baseball almanac, they’ve got a nice page on it.
Who played Center for those teams
Gerald something?
You know the quiet one?
What was his name?
Played Guitar…. come on you kno… Bennie… something
God what was his name?
““Rebecca, you are aware that Kevin Youkilis is one of the tribe also, right?”
Shawn Green too.”
and Juan Epsiten, from TV’s Welcome Back Kotter
We need a pitching staff, maybe Phil, Joba and Mo can be converted…
Ugh, Shelley Duncan? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry – the guy is awful. He’s a AAAA player at best……..he’s also not exactly what I call a defensive wizard. What exactly are the Yankees doing here?
Where are these rumors coming from that the Rangers are involved? I wonder if Roy would even want to pitch there – and don’t the economics complicate things? I mean, didn’t they have to borrow money from MLB?
Boston Dave, under no circumstances do I want Halladay going to the Sox – but there’s a very good chance of that happening, I fear. I dread tomorrow…….
Hell, I’m full-blooded Italian and proud of it. We gave the world Michelangelo and Leonardo DaVinci and Giuseppe Verdi and Vincenzo Gemito (my great great uncle, the sculptor)
. The Renaissance started in Italy. And Hail Caesar and all that stuff!!!
Now of course, I would be wildly proud of my heritage no matter what it was. It just so happens that I am Italian.
And I don’t care how shameful the next statement appears, but I still will make it. My family hails from the central and northern parts of Italy. As far as I know, the mafia hails from the south of Italy. I know nobody in the mafia, my family has no mafia ties, and I think they are a sick bunch of losers.
Thank you. And now I’ll hide.
how could ortiz tell the media he was always honest with them when he constantly denied steroid use and was so vehement about strict testing and punishment for it? he clearly lied right there so his credibility just defeated itself
“From RedSOX’ WS achievements, with today’s revelations no one will make it.”
Martinez probably will. Schilling is 50/50.
Ortiz was never going, but Ramirez may have. A lot will depend on how the voters look at other PED guys. They should be consistent. If Bonds and Clemens get in, Ramirez should. If they don’t, Ramirez shouldn’t.
Ortiz says he doesn’t have enough information to say anything.
It’s a simple question; a yes or no question – Did you use performance enhancing drugs?
What information does he need to answer that?
Yes well I have Italina relatives (looesly termed) who I see once or twice a year.
“As Uncle said, the best answer probably is that those guys could play!”
Sure. It was a business, just as it is now. If they can play, they have value.
Gavin Floyd…Isn’t this the guy who has had 2-3 near no-hitters already this season?
Oh, boy.
oh man, how did I forget to order my papa johns? the game is about to start and I might not my papa johns that is necessary to watch a yankee game on YES. whew, thank god for the reminder
“What information does he need to answer that?”
That’s kind of what I was getting at.
papa johns
Do you live in the Mid West?
Is it possible to get this web site fixed?
“The Italians were thought of sort of as laughingstocks. Kind of like bumbling idiots at the time. People alwys made fun of their broken English and things of that nature. The Italins were not well liked.”
what a bunch of complete crap
anyone else have a problem loading up the main page..and it opens in like a new format and doesnt load right?!??
“Teams are inquiring on righty Brian Bannister, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney. The Royals weren’t close to dealing him as of this evening, but we still have 20 hours before the deadline. Bannister, 28, makes $1.7MM this year and isn’t scheduled to become a free agent until after the 2012 season. ”
do Cashman make a move? hmm….
i have gavin floyd on my fantasy team.
he is benched tonight.
who plays cf if melky rests?
who plays lf if damon rests?
i know we can use swish or hinske or duncan in lf but it would be a bad idea to play any of them in cf.
call ajax up.
vinny-You’re right, it’s not true.
This I got the gist of from a book called Joe Dimmaggio: The Hero’s Life. If you read it it does talk more about the Bay Area Italians so maybe that’s why you andtrisha don’t get it.
Whoa, is this game delayed?
“Martinez probably will. Schilling is 50/50. ”
I think Martinez will get in HOF, I forgot about him. Unless he is linked to Steroids. Players in general from Dominican Republic have high chance of getting linked to Steroids.
I do not consider Mussina part of Dynasty years. He was not on team that won Ws.
Posada may have a chance if he continues to be a full time catcher for the rest of his contract and continues to put up the offensive numbers.
OT – I do need to clarify one thing I said. My mother WAS the first female admitted to MIT. However, they didn’t know she was female when she applied because she used her first two initials and her last name. She was admitted into aeronautial engineering. When they found out she was female (through a letter from her guidance counselor, who apparently used the feminine pronoun when talking about her), they withdrew her acceptance and told her she could go their as a nonmatriculating student if she wanted to. She decided to go to Brown (Pembroke was the female division) instead and then the University of Maine. She was the only female in her engineering class and was number one in her class. She ended up getting her graduate degree in English literature. A true renaissance woman!
Why does Pete have Posada in the “heating up” part of his game post when Posada’s not playing?
pop quiz!
does jeter swing at the first pitch?
Yes for a double is my guess.
there’s not a papa johns near me but I have to hear their ridiculous commercials and on air advertisements during every YES broadcast. not as bad as having to listen to sterling and waldman along with every swing and pitch being sponsored on the radio. how do they even work in any discussion of the game when they have to read off another advertisement after every pitch?
Lets go Yankees!
I’m so scared.
Justin Monroe is apparently a GREAT HITTER, anyone know who he plays for? Someone wanna text leiter and find out?
I say no Jeet takes the first pitch because it’s a ball.
call duncan up for gardner,send a pitcher down & call ajax up.
we have 4 of,5 when gardner comes back or duncan comes up.
we need a cf not another corner of.
if duncan comes up he takes at bats away from damon,swish,hinske.
someone has a link for viewing game online for free?
I’m out. See ya.
“Players in general from Dominican Republic have high chance of getting linked to Steroids.”
Really? Is that a known risk factor?
Paint with a broad brush, do you?
Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite are both from Texas.
Therefore I’ll conclude that Texans have a high chance of getting linked to Steroids.
Ball inside!
rain delay?
One of my family’s prized hand-me-downs is a sign from a turn of the 20th c. store front. It reads “No dogs or Irish allowed”. My Great-Grandfather, who was born in county Clare, Ireland, stole the sign way back when.
“I’m so scared.”
Understandable. Your Suxers aren’t doing well and the players are getting outed for PEDs. Just do the best you can with it.
You want marketing?
The White Sox start their games at 7:11 CT, as a certain convenience store pays for the privilege of naming the time. Gee, I wonder who that is….
“One of my family’s prized hand-me-downs is a sign from a turn of the 20th c. store front. It reads “No dogs or Irish allowed”. My Great-Grandfather, who was born in county Clare, Ireland, stole the sign way back when.”
People can be total PsOS.
Someone posted this on deadspin:
Everyone please enjoy this delicious comment from the Boston Globe website:
“Maybe for it was another condition and not used to improve his batting average”
“Players in general from Dominican Republic have high chance of getting linked to Steroids”
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whether or not that is remotely true, I imagine today’s news is crushing for many kids back in DR who idolize Ortiz and Manny.
if there is anyone who lives there currently, I’d be interested in hearing what hte general reaction is there.
Great a rain delay for rain that hasn’t even started? Dumbest thing ever.
Rain,rain go away!
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/s.....7s-edition
While a major-league source described a Los Angeles Times report that the Dodgers spent the afternoon negotiating extensively with the Jays as “not accurate,” the Rangers still appear to be alive in the Halladay sweepstakes.
**again, I wonder if the Rangers are even on Doc’s list. I guess they are, or the Jays wouldn’t bother talking to them. I’m surprised – I wouldn’t think he’d want to pitch in Texas.
Hmm, absolutely nothing on the Yankees…….
“whether or not that is remotely true, I imagine today’s news is crushing for many kids back in DR who idolize Ortiz and Manny.”
It’s not even remotely true. It’s just nonsense.
Go back and look at the sum total of all players named in the mitchell report, the balco investigation and the MLB tesing policy and then tell explain how being Dominican is “linked” steroids.
It’s just ignorance.
“The White Sox start their games at 7:11 CT, as a certain convenience store pays for the privilege of naming the time”
Do they get paid if the game has a rain delay?
Looking at players available on the market, KC has Brian Bannister and Willie Bloomquist. That would be help at more than one position. Bloomquist plays everywhere on the infield and in the outfield. Bannister has been a good pitcher this year. The talent needed wouldn’t be great.
It’s not a dumb thing, it’s actually quite prudent to have the tarp down.
It means that the starters don’t have to warm and then sit for an hour or two, and bullpens don’t have to thus be burned.
“Paint with a broad brush, do you?”
Thank you CB. God, i hate how they target latin players as lazy, steriod users and whatever else they want to think off. Its kinda sad in this day and age
Remember, Boston is only 3 games back from the best record in baseball.
What is with the weather out there on the East Coast?
Come on, this is freakin August already!
Enough with the tarps and rainouts, it’s baseball time.
Are we rain delayed?
What is with the weather out there on the East Coast?
Sorry, I meant the Midwest, forgot they were in Chicago.
I absolutely did not think the names on that list should be publicized, despite Alex’s name being released. It is a violation of a court order, and I respect the orders handed down from the judiciary. It’s my profession, and I honor its rules. That said, this is going to become a very painful process is someone is going to jerk around with the names this way. Obviously there are people out there who are privvy to the names on the list.
Maybe it would be a lot kinder to the entire profession if they just released the list and got it over with. Unless the players union really forces the issue, nobody is going to be held accountable for dropping the names.
Anyone?
Betsy, that’s how Cash operates. Quietly. Don’t know if anything will come of it, but I have to think he’s checking out a variety of things, this among them.
Guys, as you all know, I live in Chicago. And I have to tell you – it’s not raining!
Now, in all fairness, I live a good 20 miles from The Cell, but still. That’s some localized rain.
“Really? Is that a known risk factor?
Paint with a broad brush, do you?”
Read the statemnet again.
I said higher chance (given the history so far)
I did not say they will be linked.
With due respect, do you know what paint with a brodd brush means?
the Yankees must have more rain delays than every other team in baseball…
“It’s not a dumb thing, it’s actually quite prudent to have the tarp down.
It means that the starters don’t have to warm and then sit for an hour or two, and bullpens don’t have to thus be burned.”
Really not a bad way to do business. We’ve all seen it done the other way. Is that better? I don’t think so.
delay especially not good for an old, old dude like andy.
carl
July 30th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Great a rain delay for rain that hasn’t even started? Dumbest thing ever.
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Right. I’d love to see Pettitte pitch two innings and then have the game stopped for an hour. That would really help the rotation.
“I said higher chance (given the history so far)”
based on what? Are you telling me that Mark Mcgwire hails from san pedro de macoris….that Barry Bonds is from Santo Domingo, hell just because Palmeiro and Canseco have latin names, it doesnt mean they are dominican
Ortiz had no information on the current situation? You have got to be kidding me!
this is pretty funny:
“Matt Cerrone of MetsBlog hears that the Mets are buyers, but may have to get creative in order to add to their current team because they don’t want to give up top prospects like Fernando Martinez and Brad Holt. Cerrone hears that the Mets and Indians have been talking, but the Mets’ level of interest in Victor Martinez is unclear. ”
- the Mets have virtually no quality prospects
- the couple they have are “off-limits”
- they think they can trade for premium players without giving up anything
poor, poor Mutts
The a guy who runs a blog called Domican Baseball Universe who often decries the fact that buscons give the kids roids at a youg age. I don’t think this makes kids from one group or another more likely, hello American HS football!, but maybe that’s where the crazy idea is coming from.
Sitting in Chicago waiting for the rain.
They just announced the rain is supposed to arrive in 10 minutes. It’s supposed to last 30-40 minutes and the game will begin “shortly afterward”.
As I type this, it’s starting to rain.
Boston Dave
but that’s exactly how they got Santana.
“I said higher chance (given the history so far)”
You are empirically wrong.
And how would you even be able to tell.
Have you calculated the proportion of dominicans players associated with steroids vs. total dominican players in MLB, compared them to say all “white” players testing positive vs. total white players in mlb and then done a statistical test for inference comparing the two proportions?
If not you can’t draw that conclusion.
And if you want to do an ethnicity based take on steroids as I said – go back and look at all players from the mitchell report, balco, and the leaked testing list and tell me which ethnic group you want to paint with the steroid label.
It’s not going to be domincans.
not sure if this was mentioned already but –
” J.D. Drew suffered an apparent leg injury on Thursday and will “likely miss Friday’s game,” according to the Providence Journal.
Drew was removed from Thursday’s contest after an eighth-inning double. It may have been a hamstring injury.”
-rotoworld
this could make the Sox trading for Halladay plus Rios more of a necessity (though adding 5/60M is hardly a necessity)
SJ can’t you do something to stop the rain?
Now, it’s not raining but dark clouds are forming behind home plate.
“Boston Dave
but that’s exactly how they got Santana.”
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i dont even think they have comparable talent to pull off another trade like that.
Who’ll stop the rain?
I’m hoping SJ will. If he is there he can. I allowed for all three games in the Trop to be played without delay.
Has anyone else noticed that a Boxer has died in each of the last 5 weeks. Bad year too be a Boxer.
I should write a book about that!
I allowed for all three games in the Trop to be played without delay.
Thanks Dan – good job
David Ortiz should never be allowed to cross the bridge that connects Brooklyn to Staten Island.
Rain Rain Go AWAY!!!
Yankees Magazine is running a segment on the HOPE week activities……..wow, the Yankees made so many people happy. You can’t put a price on that.
If radar is correct, this delay will quite short and it won’t even rain hard.
So what will ortiz’s excuse be? He had a his big toenail fall off so he needed something to help it grow back faster?
SJ blogging live from Chicago, lol ……
I’m glad they didn’t start the game – there’s nothing worse than starting a game, having it rain and then losing the starters. Last time the Yankees were in Chicago, they had lousy weather and Bruney and Phil got hurt…….
All the heavy weather hitting Wrigley
Via Metstweets Via Metsblog via Will Carroll, Beltran may miss all of 2010–Yes, 2010–as well
http://www.metsblog.com/2009/0.....l-of-2010/
“It’s just ignorance.”
Hate to say this, but before you call others ignorant (you called someone else not me), you need to check your arrogance level. You somehow, manipulate the statistics to suit your points (your strength agreed) and belittle others using words like, ridiculous, ignorant etc., Why are you so high handed here? What makes you think you can get away with such words without getting called out?
It was reported frequently and even debated here frequently, how easy it is to get steroids over the counter in DR, unlike in the US. When that is the case, the chances are high the players from DR are tempted to use them given how easy it is to get them. When you see so many great players with DR heritage like A-Rod, Sosa, Manny, Ortiz, Palmeiro, are linked to Steroids, it is only fair to assume there is a cause and effect. It does not mean every one from DR does steroids. When some one makes an observation like that, you can disagree, but do not call them ignorant or ridiculous.
May be you can use your statistical knowledge and see what percentage of DR players were linked to Steroids relative to the percentage in all of baseball.
Joe, I agree and I love that Cash is stealth……I’m sort of eager to see what he’ll pull off (though 2 of the guys he was looking at have already been traded). I dread and love these few days – it’s certainly exciting and nervewracking, lol.
is it fair to say, 1918* ?
Was it Chicago where they had that loooooong rain delay last year, and they didn’t start til around 11? Kay spent all game complaining about it.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Surprisingly for a people not renowned for athletic prowess, us Jews are fairly well represented in baseball–even have two hall of famers, Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax.
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Don’t forget Bar Refaeli!
http://www.nypost.com/photos/g.....hoto01.htm
She’s a HOFer!
They are now playIng Buddy Guy’s Feels Like Rain over the PA System.
They play mostly Chicago musicians music here, which is great.
It is now officially raining.
This site looks good on iPhone but comments take so long to scroll through.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4366974
Ortiz called up Bryant and sold him a big pile of steaming BS.
And Ortiz is lying about being blindsided before the game. The NYT writer said he asked him about last night, and he shrugged before saying he wasn’t going to talk about it.
http://www.newsday.com/columni.....-1.1338749
Interesting quotes from AJ and Tex……so, I don’t think Doc is getting an earful from AJ, lol.
Ladies and Gentleman… David Ortiz:
“”I know what it is for my son to have Big Papi as a father,” he told me that day. “There are a lot of people who do great things for him because he’s my son. His life is going to be easier because he’s the son of Big Papi.
“And that is the biggest reason why I have never used steroids. Because then he would have to go to school and have to listen to all the kids say that his dad is dirty, a cheater, and everything for him would be taken away from him and he would be ruined. I make sure I don’t do those things, for him.”
sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=4366974
Clare: That was 2007 in Detroit.
Nineteen Eighteen,
Here are the two chants: 19-18! No Roids No Rings!
Uncle Ellsworth (turn off your mind relax and float downstream)
July 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Who’ll stop the rain?
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John Fogerty can do anything. Get him on the job, now.
“And if you want to do an ethnicity based take on steroids as I said – go back and look at all players from the mitchell report, balco, and the leaked testing list and tell me which ethnic group you want to paint with the steroid label.”
This is another twisting you are doing.
The point was about easy over the counter availability of Sterodis in DR. It has nothing to do with ethinicity.
John Fogerty can do anything. Get him on the job, now.
AND he can play “Centerfield”
Uncle,
No problem. I do what I can when I can where I can for the Yanks and the blogger population on LoHud.
They also play other games on the video screens.
The Rangers game is on one screen and the Marlins game on the other.
Now playing some Stevie Ray Vaughn over the PA.
The temperature also dropped about 10 degrees in the last 15 minutes.
Good times.
I hope Rickey wasn’t the one.
only because i view him as the greatest position player of my lifetime. Even Stick named him as 1 of the 2 best players he’s ever seen. In addition, it may mean the steroid era goes back further then we originally perceived
if he only used steroids at the end of his career, it wouldn’t really bother me. At least we would know his body of work was legit
Ortiz recently opened a new restaurant in Framingham, Mass. and features some milkshakes and various “juice” drinks on the menu.
SJ44-
Where are you sitting?
Thanks Rebecca. I was just slightly off.
BTW: Nice chat today. That was a good way to spend some time before the game.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 30th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Clare: That was 2007 in Detroit.
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The delay was so long that it warped the time and space continuem. Clare was teleported foreward a year and to Chicago.
Waiting for the finish of that game warped me, too.
I think its ok. I was yelling out 1918 at a game and the whole section started to yell out 1918. The Sox fans were going Crazy. It was so much fun…
Clare: Thanks! I thought it went pretty well, too. For a first time and not promoting it well at all, I got lot more people than I thought I would, so yay!
“When you see so many great players with DR heritage like A-Rod, Sosa, Manny, Ortiz, Palmeiro, are linked to Steroids, it is only fair to assume there is a cause and effect.”
First, Rafael Palmeiro is from Cuba not the DR. I know… it’s all the same, but still. If you’re going to make assertions about Domincans they should at least be Dominican don’t you think?
Second, I’m not trying to make some ethinicity based assertion about who is and isn’t a steroid user. You are. So maybe you should be the one who actually does some research.
Again – go look at the lists. Just go look at them.
And as far as arrogance goes, I find it remarkable to haphazardly paint players from an entire country and just dismiss them as having a higher chance of being steroid users without any analysis what so ever. There’s some real arrogance there.
Because I guess Mark McGuire, Clemens, Pettite, Brian Roberts, Rick Ankiel, Troy Glauss, Paul Byrd, Jason Grimsely, etc. etc don’t count when it comes to PED’s?
I guess when it’s that set of name we should infer no cause and effect along ethnic lines at all?
Again, you made the assertion so the honus is on you to back it up.
Uncle Ellsworth (turn off your mind relax and float downstream)
July 30th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
John Fogerty can do anything. Get him on the job, now.
AND he can play “Centerfield”
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Not only that, but when he hits the ball into the gap, you’ll see him “Chooglin’” around the bases. Don’t forget, “You Heard It On The Grapevine” right here.
Rain seems to be stopping even though it’s pretty dark around the stadium.
Boston Dave – just wow.
I have to hope that he is questioned as widely as Arod about statements he made in the past, such as what you just quoted. On ESPNews the female sportswriter for the Herald (?) was being interviewed and she said that even though the fans in beantown will embrace him, this will obviously be a huge black mark on his name and career.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN=
I did not call it on the first pitch
NYY626-
Gammons and ESPn were shocked that it came out. They all knew that he was a user. Just shocked that he got outed. did you see TJ Quinn accepting that he did not know. How does he not know what he put in his body?? Same question asked of AROd.
The Fair Pole -
ESPN is sick because they’re hypocrites. Bottom Line. Calling Joba a head hunter. LMK when he actually hit someone. The Red Sox and Rays got into fights over the years because of the Red Sox Roid violence (David Ortiz throwing bats at an umpire) and it makes no difference. Pedro=headhunter but never mentioned.
And I am in no way racist, I love diversity, but Mike Wilbon is a disgrace to African Americans. Ill never understand how a Chicago guy or a guy like Mike WIlbon who “hates the yanks-sox rivalry” can bash us and slobber the sox. Pervert is the only explanation.
The hypocrisy runs up and down ESPN, from the Gammons to the losers like Wilbon. The whole organization is corrupt.
They held this info about Ortiz for years. They knew it. They protected him.
I guess I can feel grateful that Peter went easy on Alex. Unfortunately, the rest of the classless media did not. “how does he not know what he put in his body” *sob, sob* But let’s believe Poopi.
Johnny D.
Just below Pete’s updates hit the “Add a Comment” and it will take you to the end.
true fact: John Fogerty was once sued by his old record label for sounding too much like himself (CCR signed a terrible contract that basically forfeited all ownership rights to their material, and his solo material had too much of a ‘CCR sound’).
He lost the lawsuit.
“When you see so many great players with DR heritage like A-Rod, Sosa, Manny, Ortiz, Palmeiro, are linked to Steroids
you just proved the point that you are ignorant…Rafael Palmerio is of Cuban heritage, he came to the United States and a very young age and grew up here in the states….
Ground crew coming out to remove the tarp.
Max Power
July 30th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
true fact: John Fogerty was once sued by his old record label for sounding too much like himself (CCR signed a terrible contract that basically forfeited all ownership rights to their material, and his solo material had too much of a ‘CCR sound’).
He lost the lawsuit.
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Wrong. The lawsuit was between brothers John and Tommy Fogerty over ownership of the music.
The song that Fogerty was sued for may have been “The Old Man Down the Road.” I can’t quite remember.
There was a fairly long delay in that game that the Yankees had in Chicago last year. They had an early lead and Hughes was in good form.
Then the rains came and they ended his night after two innings. Ohlendorf came in and lost the lead and the Yankees ended up with a loss.
can I add something more to this debate about dominican steroid users…can it also be that some of the best baseball players in the game are also dominican and can it also be that everyone was using PEDs and the fact that they catch these guy is not because of their name, but because everyone was using them and there wasn’t a “race” that wasnt. For god’s sake, Andy Pettitte was painted as a christian and he took them.
GB – 1 Max Power – 0
This DR vs everyone else steroids issue is just nonsense. Move on please, whoever said it is completely ignorant.
Ortiz should leave the game for the rest of the year since he came out and said that anyone using performance enhancing drugs should be removed from the game for a year. Will he hold true to his word and leave the game for the rest of the year? LOL I think not.
Hey all, back from my trip to Cape Cod. I loved it, didn’t want to leave and am ready to go back. Everyone was so friendly, yes even those Sox fans. And I did venture out wearing my Yankee hat.
I didn’t miss much did I?
I think not:
http://cip.law.ucla.edu/cases/.....gerty.html
Saul Zantz of Fantasy Records most certainly did take John Fogerty to court for sounding too much like John Fogerty. Then Fogerty played his guitar on the stand and ended up winning that one. Though Zantz did get him to change the lyrics of his song “Zantz Can’t Dance, but he’ll steal your money.”
tons of players, if not the majority, used PEDs.
lets leave race out of it.
some players used it so they could just get a major league contract. some used it to make them all-stars. some used it to make them elite players.
and MLB laughed all the way to the bank.
Max Power – 1
Grumpy Old Man – 0
“whoever said it is completely ignorant.”
and i bet they also have MLB Extra Innings and could tell you when Madden is coming out
9:15 first pitch, per Pete
Hey Jen……..welcome back! Glad you had a great time……no, you didn’t miss much (other than lots of hand wringing over Halladay). I’ve never been to Cape Cod, but I’m sure it’s beautiful……
Welcome back Wolf in Pinstripes & Jennifer.
Hey, enough of the muzak. Did you guys know it’s the 25th anniversary of the release of the movie “Purple Rain”?
Cape Cod is a great place to be in the summer.
glad you had a good time jennifer.
not all Sox fans are bad people
flawed… but not necessarily bad.
Copied from V.O. on RAB:
“7:58pm: Jayson Stark and Buster Olney of ESPN.com report that the Yankees inquired about Bannister, but talks didn’t develop because the Yankees asked the Royals to pay the $650k that remains on Bannister’s 2009 contract. Since when does $650k stop the Yanks from making a deal? As Stark and Olney say, welcome to the wacky world of baseball 2009.”
Umm, is anyone else a little eye-opened about this? Because the Yankees already have Pittsburgh paying Hinske’s salary…
I’d keep my eyes open. See if any pattern develops…
Is bib Poopie sticking to his word, “anybody testing positive should be banned for a year”…lets see if he is in the line up nex time. Boston media, fans are all hypocrites. I can’t stand them more today than I ever have. Big Poopie’s rings are tainted…
Jennifer, were you able to get any of the games on the radio out there?
Rebecca,
I can’t believe that’s true unless the Yanks were already giving up more than they wanted to (i.e. a pretty good prospect)
still, 650k is pocket change for a decent pitcher who is under control fairly cheap through 2012
Max Power – 10 GB – -3
Must be in the water in Boston. What was it, a year or two ago, John Henry said, “There should be salary cap in baseball” and Boston had the 2nd highest payroll? I guess if you have a higher payroll than Boston, then there should be a cap. What crap! How is anyone a Sox fan, seriously?
BD: The Yankees already have Pit paying the rest of Hinske’s contract.
If it becomes a trend, it’s a worrisome thing.
Betsy it is! I went to Sandwich today, walked on a boardwalk that goes over salt marshes, so nice. Took tons of pictures! I will eventually upload them and post a link! Also went whale watching which was truly an amazing experience. We had a pod following our boat at one point.
RDM,
not all, but many Sox fans are clinging to:
“well, everyone cheated so our cheaters beat your cheaters”
of course that’s a different tune than the one they were singing 4 months ago when ARod was outed.
Vader, I was able to get 880 in pretty well especially in the car, and my pocket radio it came in but with static.
Rebecca, Hal will not be taking on any $$$ – and that’s become abundantly clear. I suspect now the Yanks are going to sink or swim with what they have…….which is a mistake, but it’s not my $$$
Folks, I am not sure anyone has mentioned this, but the bigger picture of what this all means with Ortiz and Manny is quite unsettling.
Senator George Mitchell was expected to put together an accurate impartial report. Clearly, that was a joke. Now this man is our envoy to the Middle East? This man needs to be forced into retirement, pronto. Any peace process he presides over will be a disaster.
RDM,
John Henry is making a fool of himself.
When Hank did it, the media ate it up… but somehow Henry gets away with it.
If he keeps running his mouth… err… tweet, he’ll start to be seen as the boob that he is.
I heard Cape Cod is nice in the winter too. They said they are famous for their grass snowstorms, said snow doesn’t really stick to the streets. Well except in noreasters. I would actually consider moving there loved it that much!
But the difference is Big Poopie saying crap like “I would ban anybody in baseball for a year”. Look who’s talking? What a jerk. And Big Poopie knew he was on the list…..
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this today…but does anyone else think its quite a coincidence that a few days after the Times sells its shares in the Sux…they release the Manny-Big Crapi story??
You have to love listening to ballgames through static.
#23 Hitman,
that’s pretty funny
and logical
I agree. Of course I wore my “What Rivalry” shirt to my daughters softball game tonight which lists the WS and AL Pennants Boston vs Yanks….isn’t even close….and made a Sox fan mad….
Rebecca, I completely agree. Penny wise, pound foolish – Hal is not his father’s son (and I know he spent a ton of $$$ in the off season, but the Yankees need some help now. If the Yankees don’t make the post-season or they don’t go deep into same because of their unwillingness to shore up their team, then Hal really shouldn’t complain)
I think the upside to all of these big name juicers is the fact that more spots will be open in the Hall for the Mike Mussinas of this generation.
Go Yanks….got to go for the night….hope you all have a good night!!!!
meh, quibbling about a relatively insignificant amount leads me to believe they weren’t very keen on Bannister. move on to the next name on the list.
Jen, sounds fantastic! I went whale watching when I was in Boston a few years ago – we were lucky and saw an mother and baby (I think it was a gray whale, not sure). I’d love to go again…….
The Red Sox and the organization are a joke. They never hold true there word. I am loving this day, and now the tables are turning on Red Sox nation as I predicted to my friends months ago. When the Red Sox come to the stadium on Aug. 6 they need to send a message, teach them a lesson, and beat them down.
Rebecca/Betsy,
I’m skeptical of the Bannister report. I at least would want to know the full terms first.
It’s possible the two teams were going back and forth and at one point the Yanks asked for salary relief… and that was leaked. It may not have been a serious holdup or even an integral part of the dealings.
or, it was completely made up.
who knows…
jen, had I known you were going to the Cape I would have recommended a place you could have gone for lunch in Mashpee. I went there yesterday. The lobster roll they serve is phenomenal.
Clueless.
They have the best record in baseball.
Sorry you think Hal is being cheap. Welcome to reality.
“#23 Hitman,
that’s pretty funny
and logical”
But scary
I got Jim Kaat calling the game on MLB NET. Good to see Jim.
BRAVES announcers just called Red Sox not even making the postseason.
Thats the first ive heard of that prediction all season.
Not saying I believe it, but its very interesting,
hardwired,
very interesting idea…
if a pitcher who isnt supsected of using PEDs did well during the “Juiced Era”, shouldn’t their #s be considered even greater?
of course, we’ll never know who used and who didn’t.
Looks like we can put the nightmare scenario of Halladay to the Red Sox to bed:
http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/.....to-change/
Thanks, m -
I should actually be working non-stop tonight, but I really need a LoHud discussion fix.
Jeter swings at first pitch!
Not sure why?
BD: It’s probably not significant but it doesn’t hurt to keep eyes open anyway.
They have the highest payroll in baseball by over 60 million.
They spent almost half a BILLION over the winter.
Yet you think the owners aren’t “doing what it takes”.
I’d be embarassed to type a post like that.
Um, can we maybe look at a few more pitches, guys?
Trisha
I was in Mashpee as well, Can’t recall what I saw there though. Went to so many places in so few days!
damon saw 5 out of those 10 pitches.
i got my screw face going.
oh no..the yankees only saw 10 pitches that inning…they are destined to fail!!!!!
Rebecca,
you’re right… its certainly worth noting.
It’s only been half an inning and already, Harrelson is making my ears bleed.
Yanks are clearly lying in the weeds and just doing discovery now. They may or may not strike at the deadline, or they may wait till someone goes through waivers.
If the Rangers do plan to trade for Halladay, they may look to move some of their guys for salary relief…
Marlon Byrd?
Well, who cares if you’d be embarrassed or not, Miggs? I sure don’t. Hey, the guy spent a ton of $$$ of the winter and he gets all the credit in the world. However, the team needs some reinforcements – if Hal prevents them from getting it because of $$ and they don’t go deep into the playoffs (or possibly miss it), then I hope he understands that that was the cost of not going over his budget. Of course, if you don’t think the Yankees need any reinforcements, if you think their SP depth is just dandy….well, there’s nothing I can say to that.
I find it extrenmely hard to believe that 650k held up that deal.
What prospects were they asking for? What else was involved in the scope of the deal?
Until we know those details its hard to criticize the FO for anything.
Just look at the body of work and the dedication to putting the best team on the field. Common sense says something isn’t adding up or the report is completely false.
Hey, Kay….”In Crowd” was by Dobie Gray.
Can Andy do it in less than 10 pitches?
Swish will be looking for payback.
“BRAVES announcers just called Red Sox not even making the postseason.
Thats the first ive heard of that prediction all season.”
Guess you missed my post at the beginning of the season…
Calling up Duncan makes zero sense.
The Yankees need a CF not a poor fielding corner OF
Nice start Andy!
Nice Andy!
Nice inning for Pettitte.
Betsy they have the best record in the league. The BEST.
According to you, the “reinforcements” should be 2 top notch starters, a reliever, and a corner OF.
I’m just not sure how I can reason with someone who thinks that.
Maybe you just don’t get it. I don’t know, only you can answer that.
Patrick,
I’m guessing Duncan would be a short term addition.
but who knows…
Did Joe forget that Eric Hinske is on the team?
I don’t get JP and the Jays’ organization.
JP goes out of his way to announce that he’s taking offers on Halladay. Despite his protestations that he’s not looking to drop payroll, Paul Beeston, the Pres. of the team, admits they’re looking to do so. JP fans on a deal with the Phillies. Now he says he’ll keep Doc, and calls him to tell him as much.
So what was the purpose of this exercise? Did JP think anyone was going to make their teams devoid of any young players? For a high cost, 32-year old pitcher?
I know JP may just be grandstanding, hoping to drive up the offers in the next 20 hours or so. But it is curious.
barring any trades, the Yanks are set to face Buerhle on Sunday, then Halladay on Tuesday.
It should be like October in early-August.
Pepitone,
I agree.
Hinske has done well enough to earn a few starts here and there.
With 3 lefties coming up, use him tonight!
“Yanks are clearly lying in the weeds and just doing discovery now. They may or may not strike at the deadline, or they may wait till someone goes through waivers.”
Agreed. It’s hard to know what to make of all this because the rhetoric is exactly what it was like before they signed Tex.
They may be trying to extract maximum leverage in any negotiation by emphasizing financial issues.
It would be very interesting to know who leaked that rumor to the Stark – the royals or yankees?
Brian Bannister is nothing special, we shouldn’t feel deprived by not getting him. I don’t care how much money the Yankees have, it’s unwise to piss it away. If they inquired about him and couldn’t get fair value I’m glad they didn’t trade for him.
This stuff about Hal being penny wise and pound foolish is absurdly stupid. The Yankees have the best record in baseball, the highest payroll in baseball and how much did they just spend in the offseason?
Even before signing Tex the Yanks had the highest payroll. Hal still approved of that signing so how exactly is he cheap?
Anyone that thinks Hal Steinbrenner is cheap can’t count.
I would call up Jackson. Cervalli was batting 190 in AA. Yankees needed a catcher and they had to make the move. Let jackson run around in the outfield and steal bases.
It would be very interesting to know who leaked that rumor to the Stark – the royals or yankees?
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I was thinking the same thing. That’s a peculiar rumor. I was initially thinking the Royals leaked it to make hte Yanks look cheap. I dunno.
“It would be very interesting to know who leaked that rumor to the Stark – the royals or yankees?”
Clearly the Royals. They are trying to embarrass the big bad Yankees into eating Bannister’s contract.
Shelly Duncan is Pete’s guest. They didn’t say who was coming up yet. My guess is Ajax. He makes the most sense.
“I would call up Jackson. Cervalli was batting 190 in AA. Yankees needed a catcher and they had to make the move. Let jackson run around in the outfield and steal bases.”
Exactly, and right now they need a CF.
Calling up Duncan would be like if you break your arm and the doctor puts a cast on your leg. It doesn’t make sense.
Call up Jackson or acquire a CF.
Laura there are no bigger “homer” announcers than those White Sox broadcasters.
That’s gotta be tough to listen to.
But you’re from Chicago, right? Aren’t you used to it by now?
Or maybe Cash deliberately took that stance with KC on Bannister – whom he really wasn’t interested in – to make a point to JP?
We may never know all the machinations.
23 pitches for Floyd
If they call Shelley up, they have to put him through waivers to send him back down. If they call AJack up, they get a better defender, who gives them energy and much better D, and just might outhit Shelley.
I thought they got Hinske to platoon that corner outfield spot with Swisher. Heaven knows he can’t be any worse defensively than Swisher.
At least DH him and give Matui a rest now and then.
The only other reason I can think of is trade bait.
6 up and 6 down, This offense just can’t hack it without Shelley Duncan.. CALL HIM UP!!
Costas and Kaat on MLB Network seem to think that the Yankees no longer have Shelly D…And I quote
“If the Yankees need another bat, they can call up former Cardinal Chris Duncan”
How are they even announcers? Do your work if you are going to talk to people over the air.
“But you’re from Chicago, right? Aren’t you used to it by now?”
I’m New York born and raised, but I’ve been in Chicago for a long time. I only listen to these fools when the Yankees play them so no, I’m not used to them.
I’m all for a Jackson callup.
When you look at the roster, it makes more sense than any other option.
But Cash and Joe G know the roster better than any of us, so maybe there’s something we don’t see.
Or maybe they ARE calling up Jackson.
Shelley Duncan makes zero sense. Another slow OF who plays bad defense and hits for power. Isn’t that what we have Hinske, Swisher, and Damon for?
Man Hawk Harrelson is the worst – and we even had him for a couple of years in the late 80s
Hey I’ve got a thought! Just maybe the Yankee organization feels okay about the players they already have!!! Wouldn’t that be a hoot?
Or maybe they’re thinking that if anything, at most they will need a serviceable 5th starter. I think I’ll vote for one of those two possibilities. You will be able to push me over with a feather if it is any more “dire” than that.
In fairness to the CWS announcers, so far, they have been very complimentary to the players. They said that Cano is one of the best talents in the game. Of course, they had to go and ruin it by remarking that we had a lot of HRs because of the new park. I knew it was too good to last.
Andy is throwing very well tonight, 3 starts in a row. If he doesn’t get hurt, he will be fine down the stretch…
miggs,
Did you hear Hawk Harrelson’s call of the perfect game? He will be yelling “Alexeeeeeei… Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!” down through history. What a terrible announcer.
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOOOOOOAAAARRRDDD YESS!
When Harrelson was GM of the Chisox he fired manager Tony LaRussa and and assistant general manager Dave Dombrowski.
Maybe if they actually WENT to the park before running their mouths….these guys DID hit a lot of HRs across the street, too.
Dopes.
AJ Pierzinski has to be one of my least favorite players in all of baseball. Apparently, most of the people who play the game feel the same way.
“Hey I’ve got a thought! Just maybe the Yankee organization feels okay about the players they already have!!! Wouldn’t that be a hoot?”
Trisha how dare you post something so logical?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Shelley Duncan makes zero sense. Another slow OF who plays bad defense and hits for power. Isn’t that what we have Hinske, Swisher, and Damon for?
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I agree with you, Miggs. The only reason I can think of for not bringing up Jackson is they honestly feel he isn’t ready for ML caliber pitching.
My God will Michael Kay stop talking about steroids. I could care less.
Just assume that everyone did steroids, you will have a lot happier life.
One of the players that will give the Yankees problems this series is AJ Pierznyski. A very good defensive catcher and a solid .290-.300 hitter 15 15-18 homer power.
I personally prefer Harrelsons HR call over Kays
I’m all for getting a preview of Ajax, but we’d need to temper our expectations of him in his first appearance in the bigs. He still needs to cut back on those strikeout numbers.
“Maybe if they actually WENT to the park before running their mouths….these guys DID hit a lot of HRs across the street, too.”
They heard someone on ESPN say it so they take it as fact. All of the opposing team announcers mention it at least once.
Did Michael Kay call A-Rod stupid?
Pettitte’s stuff has looked sharper since the ASB.
I love Hawk Harrelson as a baseball announcer. Basically, he has a good baseball voice, and I think everything he says is cheesy and funny. I think I just so enjoyed listening to him as the Sox announcer during the `78 meltdown when I was spending the summer in NE, that I’ve alway gotten a kick out of him, regardless of what a dummy he is.
I don’t see the need for another starting pitcher right now unless they want to move Mitre out of the rotation and don’t want to put Aceves in the spot. There isn’t anyone still out there (other than Halladay, of course) who is an upgrade over the current starters. I’m sure they have a plan for Joba and there is no reason to share it with the public.
The Blogger Formerly Known as Dan
July 30th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
I personally prefer Harrelsons HR call over Kays
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Ahmen to that!!!!
Pettitte is pitching well, they just don’t know when to take him out.
Kay’s call is OK
It’s Sterling’s schtick that makes me want to drive into a bridge abutment
It is high, it is far, it….
Bounces over the wall for a ground rule double…
MG if they want to rest Joba to prevent him from hitting his inning limit they will need a starter to fill in for him.
how bout a hit?
A lot of pitches so far, considering Pettitte only has 2 strikeouts and no walks with one base runner. Gotta cut that back.
Vintage Andy thus far.
Miggs, I don’t think they need to rework the whole team. I think the Yankees are a very good team and I have thoroughly enjoyed watching them this year. I do think they could use another starter for sure….the pitching depth is not what I think they would like. I do think they could use another outfielder also – that’s not that much to ask for.
My comments about Hal are not meant to imply that he’s cheap – by no means; you’d have to be clueless to think that. He’s written checks for hundreds of millions of dollars this year. I guess I shouldn’t say that he’s not like his father because Hal DID listen to Cash and he went the extra mile to get Tex. THAT comment was unfair……and I’m sorry I said it. I just think that Hal may need to be a little flexible with his budget, that’s all.
Patrick, that is true, but I’m not giving up prospects and taking in a big salary like Washburn just to fill in 4 or 5 starts when it’s not going to make much of a difference in the final standings anyway. In September, when the rosters expand, they can use someone from Scranton to make a few starts without giving up anything.
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEE YAA
“I love Hawk Harrelson as a baseball announcer. Basically, he has a good baseball voice, and I think everything he says is cheesy and funny.”
I have a different opinion of what an announcer is supposed to do. In my mind, the announcer should be an impartial observer of the game, relaying it to the viewer with little to no interest in who wins. Harrelson is the exact opposite of that. In fact, at times, he sounds like a 10 year old watching the game. He is a fan first and an announcer later. He refers to the players like they are his friends. In my opinion, he’s not doing his job the right way. But that’s just me.
Andy looks very good – he looks like he did the season before last.
He pitches like this and the team is very dangerous. It’ll be very difficult for other teams to make up a lot of games on the yanks.
I do think they need another arm. A Bannister type would be fine.
Yeah, Sterling makes me think of DJ Fabulous Dan from Waynes World – is he really paying attention to what’s going on? lol
listening to Costas and Kaat do the game is a real pleasure, two consumate professionals.
“I’m all for getting a preview of Ajax, but we’d need to temper our expectations of him in his first appearance in the bigs. He still needs to cut back on those strikeout numbers”
If he is called up I’m sure he’ll be told not to worry about the offense. Just play D run the bases well and steal some bases.
He K’s alot because his swing is long. Their trying to cut it down. He’s been striking out less over the last couple of weeks. And I’m sure working with Kevin Long would really help.
“It’s Sterling’s schtick that makes me want to drive into a bridge abutment
It is high, it is far, it….
Bounces over the wall for a ground rule double…”
What just happened there, Suzyn?
Melky baby!
melky!
Melky smoked that.
The Melk man!
GJ Molina
Y not but Molina?
Horrible at bat by Molina. Bring up Cervelli.
i definitly would of bunted with molina there…oh well
Cervelli would have moved Melky over.
Molina should be bunting there, every single time.
My take on Hal is that he will do whatever he has to in order to help the Yankees win but he won’t be sold a bill of goods by a skitterish fanbase. I don’t think he panics easily, and I am definitely thankful for that.
Watching CC, Burnett, and Tex make their way to the Bronx tells you that you can’t, with a straight face, question Hal’s willingness to spend money.
DMO
Harrelson just said that Derek is one of the greatest players he has seen in 50 years.
Maybe he’s not so bad. LOL!
Why didn’t they just have Molina bunt?
Game Poll –
What is more annoying:
1)Kay’s HR call
2)Harrelson’s HR call
3)Sterling’s Yankees win call
4)John Henry’s Tweets (Choose 1-3 please I will assume 4 as a given.)
“Guess you missed my post at the beginning of the season…”
Nope, I saw it Trish.
But this was the first professional opinion ive heard this far into the season about the Sox not being there in Oct.
I just found it very interesting for some reason. I know it doesnt mean anything.
Betsy that’s fair enough. But I could swear just a few days ago you were clamoring for 2 starters, a reliever, and a corner OF. That’s just not realistic.
You said Andy and Joba “couldn’t be trusted” and CC was a “disappointment”. You wanted to immediately replace Mitre.
No franchise is run that way. Have a little faith in what we have. Its brought us the best record in the league through 101 games.
Why are we swinging so early? GRIND!
CB, Andy takes so much bashing on this blog it’s really bothersome to me. He hurt his back early in the season and pitched through it like the pro he is; it took away his cutter because he couldn’t get through the ball to throw that pitch. Since the ASB he has rediscovered it, his velocity is back around 90 (exactly where it was in 2007) and he’s pitching better. We all know he can win key games, what else is there?
Jesus, I know he’s a good enough BUC but for the love of god can’t he even pretend to try to take the ball the other way?
Jose Molina is good at something. The problem is, it’s just not baseball-related.
“Game Poll –
What is more annoying:
1)Kay’s HR call
2)Harrelson’s HR call
3)Sterling’s Yankees win call
4)John Henry’s Tweets (Choose 1-3 please I will assume 4 as a given.)”
Can I choose 5)Stranding a leadoff double on base?
Horrendous series of AB’s after Melky’s double.
I know its only the 3rd inning ( not saying this game is over at all), but our offense has been kinda blah in these last few Andy starts. Pick it up boys!
I’m with Laura. I choose 5.
Has Henry tweeted today?
Patrick,
That rumor about the $650K was leaked for a reason. Up to now the royals have been saying that they aren’t going to move bannister.
Given that I’m not sure why they’d want to leak anything about bannister at all.
Why leak his name in an unsuccessful trade after you’ve said that you aren’t motivated to trade him?
And why do that in particular if it was only money that prevented the move? Would you really want Bannister to know that the only reason he’s still on your team was because the yankees valued him so little?
This trade season the only information the yankees have touched on or leaked themselves has been related to their hesitance to take on more money.
That’s been the dominant theme of info on the yankees.
It’s as if they want it known that they don’t want to take on money.
And there’s a reason why they want that message out there.
Not sure exactly what that reason is. But they want it known and there’s only a few reasons what it would be.
One of those is that they are trying to build leverage in a negotiation they know will eventually come down to money.
So I’m not certain who leaked that rumor.
Miggs going after Betsy, yet again.
Are you two married by any chance?
Molina is just about an automatic out. And that last at bat was a bad one at that….Sometimes I just want the Yankees to go with Cervelli through thick or thin. Cervelli has dynamic energy and tries 100 percent all the time.
Yeah #5 is now the correct choice
“But this was the first professional opinion ive heard this far into the season about the Sox not being there in Oct.
I just found it very interesting for some reason. I know it doesnt mean anything.”
Oh Pshaw. They don’t know what they hell they’re talking about ever. You want to be safe, stick with me.
Hal went to the best college in the US and he and Cash make a really good team when it comes to waiting out a market.
after reading all the complaints on this blog I’m amazed the Yankees ever score a run in any game.
Vince Scully has come out and idicates that he’ll retire and the end of next season…….There’s a piece in today’s NY Times about this story….Also you can click on and listen to his call of the 9th inning of Sandy Koufax’s 4th no hitter ( which was a perfect game )….It’s historic and is there in the Hall Of Fame…..It takes all of 6 minutes…….Patrick the hugger dude,,,,I’ve seen Brain Bannister pitch at least 5-6 times over the years, trust me, he knows how to pitch….He may not has his daddy’s fastball, but he os a pitcher……Put him in Pinstripes and he’ll win 17 games a season….
The primary reason I hate Kay’s call is that he does the same call when the opponent hits one out.
It is terribly annoying to hear your announcer say, with considerable enthusiasm, “Seeee Yaaaaaa,” when the enemy hits it out. I don’t want enthusiasm for homers except Yankee homers.
Hal did not attend WVU?
Lets go Mountaineers.
Just trying to have a discussion “studly”.
Not “going after” anyone.
there is Andy’s ‘out’ pitch, the biggest difference in his pitching the second half. Jim Kaat just says the same thing.
“He hurt his back early in the season and pitched through it like the pro he is; it took away his cutter because he couldn’t get through the ball to throw that pitch.”
MG,
Let’s hope that’s it. Because to be honest he was throwing the ball poorly – as you know – he’s just not the same without the cutter.
After the second half of last year there was reason to be concerned about the resilience of his arm.
But on the whole he reminds me of Jeter. Both play with injuries that they don’t talk about so it’s hard to interpret fall offs in performance because it’s impossible to know how health effects things.
But now – look at how many bad swings the White Sox have had this game.
We didn’t see that much at all earlier in the season.
Lot’s of comparison’s between Pettitte and Wakefield in terms of how the Sox and Yankees rotations lined up.
Wakefield gets hurt. If Andy is recovered and getting better that differential in the two rotations is huge.
Mark Kotsay is not such a great ballplayer, but he has a smoking hot wife.
So he’s got that going for him.
“The primary reason I hate Kay’s call is that he does the same call when the opponent hits one out.
It is terribly annoying to hear your announcer say, with considerable enthusiasm, “Seeee Yaaaaaa,” when the enemy hits it out. I don’t want enthusiasm for homers except Yankee homers.”
I’d rather he just stay quite when the ball leaves the yard. Or most of the time.
Hal did not attend WVU?
Lets go Mountaineers.”
Nah, he went to Ohio U.
BOBCATS!
Kotsay looks like a young Foster Brooks.
CB, both Kaat and Costas remarked how Andy’s cutter seems back to what is used to be, I’ll take that as confirmation of what I’ve seen recently even though they just scored, of course.
“I’d rather he just stay quite when the ball leaves the yard. Or most of the time.”
LOL! My biggest complaint where Kay is concerned is that he will imply that a fly ball has a chance to go out when in fact, it is extremely catchable. He does that “DEEP TO RIGHT” with that extra something that makes you think it’s gone when in fact, someone is under it, getting ready to make the catch.
It doesn’t seem like the Yankees want to play today.
Kay also gets overly excited with some pretty routine plays.
“It doesn’t seem like the Yankees want to play today.”
carl, you did not just write that.
Carl,
you comparing this to Tuesday night?
So is anyone else out there annoyed that after you all sent me 22 different line ups, there was no winner today? LOL
Joe Girardi> Guess The Line Up
“It doesn’t seem like the Yankees want to play today.”
what do you base that on?
Please tell me there is no chance that Jose Molina is on this team next year.
I’m not bridge jumping, or piling on…just saying HE SUCKS.
Gordon Bechkam is going to be a star.
He was probably the second best player in the college ranks last year. Taken 8th in the draft.
Reminded me a bit of Tim Lincecum – though not as dramatic.
Lincecum fell to #10 in the draft because of his size and his unorthodox delivery.
Bechkam fell some because of his swing was unorthodox.
He’s going to be very good. And if they move him to 2b he has the chance to be an elite bat for that position.
yeah, the Yankees are quitters, they suck, DFA all of them!!!!!!!!!
“I’m not bridge jumping, or piling on…just saying HE SUCKS.”
At hitting. On the flip side, he’s a pretty good catcher.
# Phil July 30th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Carl,
you comparing this to Tuesday night?
I don’t think it will be that bad. So far they aren’t putting together at bats that made us the best team in baseball. Damons at bat, Molinas, Jeters, A-Rods. Hopefully it will change.
My Prediction:
Ajax will get the call and jarrod washburn will be a yankee.
Hey, Hey What Can I Do?
July 30th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Please tell me there is no chance that Jose Molina is on this team next year.
I’m not bridge jumping, or piling on…just saying HE SUCKS.
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How exactly do you want your back-up catcher to perform???
He is a BACK-UP catcher. If the guy hit .300 he would not be a BACK-UP catcher
Oh yeah, because stating the obvious makes me a bad fan.
CB,
You mention all the reasons why the Royals wouldn’t want to leak anything about the Bannister deal and you’re right, it wouldn’t make any sense for them to do so.
You forget one thing – the team is run by Dayton Moore. The man doesn’t know what he’s doing.
Henry has not
“So is anyone else out there annoyed that after you all sent me 22 different line ups, there was no winner today? LOL
Joe Girardi> Guess The Line Up”
Girardi was reading the blog during guess the line up and wanted to be the sole winner.
Andy’s getting squeezed by this umpire.
“Girardi was reading the blog during guess the line up and wanted to be the sole winner.”
Seriously. Does that mean I should give him the win?
ouch bad call
Hey Pete,
Love the blog!! keep up the great work!
Erica, try and refrain from using logic. It confuses the people on this board
“Seriously. Does that mean I should give him the win?”
Not the way they are playing
“Oh yeah, because stating the obvious makes me a bad fan.”
No. Your comment caught attention because you only stated the negative aspect about Molina. Yeah, he can’t hit worth a damn, but he’s a good catcher and he should get credit for that.
two different strike zones!
apparently the ump is doing justice to Manny w/ that K zone.
gavin doin a real nice job…but its still early
Maybe we can trade Jose Molina in on the “Cash for Clunkers” program.
j/k
Floyd is 6-2 with an ERA under 2.50 since early June, he’s showing why tonight. There was a graphic that said the WS have blown 4 leads during that streak, he could be 12-6 instead of 8-6 with the way he’s pitching.
Floyd is on his game tonight, this is going to be a tough one to win.
Here lately, the Yankees have struggled to provide Andy with some run support. But it’s still early. The guys don’t really get cooking until the 7th inning anyway.
“You forget one thing – the team is run by Dayton Moore. The man doesn’t know what he’s doing.”
Well there’s that. But if you’re just going to assume other people are stupid then anything is possible and most attempts at analysis are impossible.
Moore has gotten so much criticism from Royals fans I can’t see why he’d want more information about personnel moves out there.
Especially about failed personnel moves.
MG -
Didn’t ya know there is a grouping of highly esteemed Yankee fans here who really deserve only the following:
.perfect pitches to be thrown every time
.balls to be caught in the outfield every time they go out there
.errorless baseball each and every game
.a clean hit every time a Yankee player is at the plate
.a bunt whenever the group feels it is a bunting situation
.perfectly executed double plays whenever there is a possibility of a DP
.a Yankee win every time
.an astronomical lead in every game
.perfect relief pitching
.the relief pitcher they want in the game, when they want him in
.the starter pulled the minute they feel he should be pulled
.Mariano in games only when they feel he should be
You have to understand that a Yankee win is hardly enough; a loss is both unacceptable and unforgiveable; a Yankee player who is less than perfect in everything he does must be widely criticized. If a player has a shaky game, the Yankees should immediately be looking for someone to take his place. It should either be their favorite player from AAA or someone on another team. It must be their call.
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If all of the above contingencies are not in play all of the time, the group becomes highly insulted AND insulting. The worst part is that some of them threaten to take away their allegiance from the Yankees.
We give them total deference because after all it is an honor that they would even be rooting for the Yankees, right? When you’re special, you’re special.
Maybe Molina is an Enrique Wilson type player. Is there anyone in the division he hits particularly well against like Wilson did Pedro>
Nobody likes this umps zone.
It’s too bad that I’m in Chicago. I could be watching this game on MLB Network, which is Hawk free.
ARE YOU THERE GOD? IT’S ME JI
JIM THOME
Andy just needs to keep it going and grinding it out. Floyd is really looking sharp.
It’s not entirely the issue of the Yankee bats being dead, Floyd is no slouch at all.
Most LoHud bloggers live their lives vicariously through Joe G, Cash, Hal, George, Every Player, and some players wives/girlfriends.
Young Derek Holland puttin’ on a show for the Jays scouts this evening.
I’ve always thought Dick Allen should be in the hall of fame. Hard to believe he’s not. His production at the plate was fantastic.
But I know people who saw him play often disagree.
By his production Jim Thome is a lock to be a hall of famer.
And he’s the kind of player who after having seen him play he just doesn’t seem like a hall of famer, IMO.
Don’t know why. Maybe it’s irrational on my part. But Jim Thome and hall of fame still strikes me as odd.
Stupid Jack Cust.
See, this is what annoys me. Hawk keeps calling Paul Konerko “Paulie”, like he’s his friend. Do you think we would ever hear someone in the booth call Alex “Al”?
“Only two players that I have ever covered invited me to their wedding”
Micheal Kay
Well what a surprise.
Damn Thome is old.
Swisher almost misplayed that ball.
Andy is looking great tonight, and so is Floyd.
We got a great pitching duel tonight folks.
“But Jim Thome and hall of fame still strikes me as odd.”
Probably because Thome is a very unassuming guy. He does his thing very quietly. He’s almost unnoticeable. I don’t think Hall of Fame when I think of him either, but I think it’s because he’s not splashy. He’s not reeking of talent. He’s just good.
These Bannister rumors are very encouraging… one can only hope. I think he’d be a great fit and better than Washburn, especially since he’s only 28 and under control for a few more years. I’d give up Romine and a few other solid prospects for him.
Cal Ripken is as revered in the Baltimore area as Jeter is in NY. No way was he taking Steriods. Bite your tongue many times for even suggesting it. I became an Oriole fan the year that Cal came up and have watched him in person and on TV until he retire. Special man and special player.
He exhibited no symptoms as the others have. He was always the same size. This was one terric, steady ball player and could have played in a bigger market city but became one player who played with the same team his entire career.
To make the assertion of his taking steroids is akin to saying Jeter did. And I love them both and will never believe it of either. Cal is an idol to me and many other Oriole fans who watched him play in Baltimore
Not me, I live my life in cyberspace.
At least the weather is always nice.
Trisha, what a great summary, thank you. But you did forget a couple of things:
-Highly rated prospects should always pitch in games if there is a pitching change
-If a player is hitting less than .400 with RISP he is a failure
-any player at Scranton hitting higher than the Mendoza line should be with the Yankees as soon as he hits his 10th Home run.
But you got the most important ones, thanks again.
CB, I don’t now if you ever read this article on Dick Allen. It’s called “The Best Player Eligible for the Hall of Fame”
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....97879.html
Cal Ripken Jr. is one of my favorite players of all time but you can’t assume he never did steroids.
I’m not saying he did but if he did I wouldn’t be surprised. I can honestly say that about every player at this point.
Jim Thome is a HoF lock.
I hate Swisher. His attitude is so annoying. Plus he cant even back it up. Dude should point to the sky when he catches a flyball.
atrocious ump
The Yankees have to stop looking at strike 3. This ump clearly has a strike zone that extends 6 inches beyond the outside corner.
Swisha not in love with the strike zone. Can’t say that I blame him.
“And as you can see it caught plenty of the outside corner”
Uhhhh… I don’t know what you’re looking at but it definitely didn’t
CB
July 30th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I’ve always thought Dick Allen should be in the hall of fame. Hard to believe he’s not. His production at the plate was fantastic.
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His problem is that half his stats were put up as Richie Allen and the other half as Dick Allen. Maybe the Veteran’s Committee will figure it out someday because he could sure hit.
Al Leiter is kind of annoying. Get over it, every ump has a different strike zone!
I remember him more as Richie Allen. He was a major reason for the Phillie success in 1964, and he was just a rookie!
Tom,
Thanks. I have read that article. It’s very good. And also sad in a sort of way.
He’s never even come close to getting elected. It’s strange.
Why is the lead story on Yahoo the lack of activity by the Red Sox and Dodgers on Roy Halladay? The Big Papi and Manny revelation should be plastered everywhere, as far as I’m concerned. Or is John Henry opening up the checkbook to bury the news?
We are making it waaaaaay too easy on this guy. Need to get something going.
Kay speaks for all real fans saying most would want a 1-0 1-2 game?
When did he become the spokesman for “real baseball fans”.
I consider myself a “real baseball fan” that understands the game, but I enjoy a few 10-11 games here and there.
CB. I just read the piece about Bannister and the Yanks wanting relief from the 650 grand left in Brian’s 2009 contract…..I see this as posturing by the Yanks as they are clearly sending a message about money…..Bannister is good, and would excell with the Yanks….No matter how you cut it, the Bombers need another starter not only for 09, but for 2010….He’s young, he’s very cost effective, and he’s good….Joba, Hughes, & Bannister will get paid in total what CC recieves on the 5 th of April……Aceves, Miltre are certainly not the answer now, and most certainly not in 2010…..
This game is annoying me
Screw 1-0 and 1-2 games. I only want that if the Yankees are winning it the whole way
Damn, what’s it been, like an hour and the game is already half over?
Good pitching will do that.
This game is flying. Yankees always have that potential to break out at any time though. Hopefully we aren’t waiting forever for it to happen.
They need to start making Floyd throw some more pitches.
Dick Allen should be in the Hall of Fame. So should Charlie Keller. His rates were off the charts and it wasn’t his fault that WWII happened.
“This ump clearly has a strike zone that extends 6 inches beyond the outside corner.”
If you can’t reach it, you might as well admire it.
With regards to Thome going to the HoF, I always look at the players best 10+ year period of his career.
If you look at Thome from 1996 to 2007 (leave out 2005 when he was hurt) he hit 35+ HRs in every season. He also had an OPS over .900 every year. The guy should be a lead pipe lock for the HoF.
S.A.–Serenity Now July 30th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
This game is annoying me
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careful, the humorless board police are in full stasi form tonight.
Dealin
LAURA,
Where in Chicago are you?
I love that city, Im thinking about moving there after I graduate grad school.
“I see this as posturing by the Yanks as they are clearly sending a message about money…..”
Pat M.,
I agree. There’s a reason why that information was leaked – and I’m not sure why.
Unless Moore is just really incompetent then I can’t see why the Royals would want that known.
The yankees have been so quiet so far.
All we’ve heard is that they are at their financial limits.
And they’ve made it a point to make sure that story is out there.
C’mon on guys. Andy deserves a W after his last 3 starts. SCORE PLEASE
the good news whether they win or lose is that Andy continues to pitch so well, they will score enough runs to win these kinds of games at least 80% of time whether Floyd shuts them out tonight or not.
This is the sox, but they are white. Someone tell them its OK, we can win the game if they want.
Cal Ripken also stayed in different hotels on the road and had chicks all over the country. He got very muscular and had a revival during his 30’s and I’m pretty sure he roided.
Hey carl,
Believe or not I have a life and I dont sit in the computer all day like your self. What do you want me to say? I’m not surprised about anybody these days. Cansesco said today that MLB is going to have a big problem in their hands because one of the steroid users is on the HOF. I’m guessing is Ricky. If you look at his size he looked kind of big when he was playing for the Oakland A’s. We just have to wait and see who was on this list. Dont be surprised if any of your heros is on it. You can smirk all you want now but you better be ready when players from your team are going to be exposed. Trust me they will.
MG – thanks for filling in what I left out. It’s really important that we get it right for “them”.
I quiver when they speak and thrill to be in their presence. They are the knowledgeable, the perfect – they are The Entitled.
We call them TE. When TE speaks, the organization listens. Or dammit, it should.
Thome certainly deserves a long hard look at the HoF. The problem that players run into at times is out welcoming their stay in the MLB and getting their best years overlooked when the voting comes around.
Dear Yankees-
Please score some runs now.
Sincerely Yours,
Erica
Christina25
They already did. In the Mitchell Report, and in spring training.
MOLINA!!
way to pick up your pitcher molina!
Please bring Molina in!
PLEASE!!!!!!!!!
The Joke Molina
Time for some hits… put on your rally caps.
Christina25 is back. Hmmm…. I figured the news out of Boston today was karma for her Joba remarks.
Joke in others mind not mine
“He’s never even come close to getting elected. It’s strange.”
Only 18 guys have a better adjusted OPS than Allen’s 156 (which ties him with Mays and is higher than DiMaggio’s). Of those 18, 12 are in the HOF. Those who aren’t include 2 guys who played in the 1800’s, Joe Jackson, Barry Bonds & Mark McGwire, who aren’t in for obvious reasons, and Albert Pujols.
For those of you who might be new to the game and think Molina can’t hit, some of us remember him hitting up a storm for the Yankees at one point – mostly doubles.
You’re welcome.
Good thing it bounced in the seats they might have a play at second. j/k
What was that about Molina not hitting?
Hey guys, what’s the probability we make a move before the deadline?
Bannister? Washburn?
Thanks Trisha for the enlightenment, I will make sure to bow from now on before reading any of those posts.
I guess Cervelli would have made that ground rule double bounce off the top of the railing, hang in mid air for 10 seconds, and let him circle the bases and tie the game. Shame on Molina for not having those skills.
Kay only Gardner might have a chance there.
Leave it to Jose Molina to provide a bit of a spark and inject some life into this sleepy game.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis
July 30th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
For those of you who might be new to the game and think Molina can’t hit, some of us remember him hitting up a storm for the Yankees at one point – mostly doubles.
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Let’s not forget he also hot the last home run at Yankee Stadium. LOL (Still can’t get over that randomness)
“Christina25 is back. Hmmm…. I figured the news out of Boston today was karma for her Joba remarks. ”
God I cant stand her.
Pat M.,
BTW – by far the most perplexing rumor of the trade season:
The Angels reportedly turning down Saunders, Aybar and Wood for Halladay.
If true – what the heck are the angels thinking? That is a steal. By far the cheapest price put out there for Doc.
Have angels fans been up in arms about this?
Damon is so clutch
nice piece of hitting!!!!
Who the heck could tag on that? It’s a line drive to somewhat shallow RF. Kay is lost.
MPB Johnny Damon = Awesome and clutch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now get Damon in!
Molina has the speed of a turtle, wow is he slow lol
Pettitte perseveres…
Molina making his mark…
Damon gets it done…
Christina,
Yankee fans are aware that players on the team have done steroids. I for one will not be surprised at anyone’s name. I’ve read into the steroid era and realize that it was OK to do steroids. The fact that finally some of the Sox are getting their exposed is great.
JOHNNY ON THE SPOT
Thome has 558 non-juiced HRs, and counting.
Cooperstown awaits, imo.
Way to go Erica’s PFB!
What was that about Damon not having legs anymore?
Dear Derek
You have spoiled me and I get upset when your BA dips below .325. Please get a hit next time.
Thanks
P.S. Thank your friend Damon for getting us on the board.
*PBF.
geez molina is slow lol…nice hitting damon
Molina is a tortoise. A good tortoise but still a tortoise.
come on yanks…3 hard hit balls this inning so far…
LOL my post didn’t make it through filters
Btw- did everyone notice this little rally started when I posted my extremely polite note to the Yankees asking them to score?
Do it, ARod!
Is Tex going to watch strike 3 all night?
WOW how many strike 3’s do you have to look at to realize that this ump has a big zone.
That’s pathetic man..
Christina25 said she lives a few blocks from fenway. That gives her a much better vantage point than ours. Christina, could you give us a synopsis of how the beantown press is reacting to Ortiz’s vehement past denials of ever going near PEDs and all of his rhetoric about never disappointing family or friends by using PEDs, in light of what is now the obvious?
Thanks!
Tex is just completely fooled tonight. Yuck.
Molina has the speed of a turtle, wow is he slow lol
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Cut him some slack, he’s lugging a Frigidaire.
No matter how much Damon gets dinged up at times, it is always good to have him up in a situation like that.
More often than not, Damon is crafty enough to find a way to get the job done. That’s why you can never count him out.
Floyd has a great slider, very impressive…
“Thome has 558 non-juiced HRs, and counting.
Cooperstown awaits, imo”
I definitely think Thome is clean. There is no doubt in my mind about him.
Thome juiced. That whole Cleveland team was one big eugenics experiment.
There is really only 1 name that I would be completely surprised and disheartened if his name is on it.
I think we all know who that is…
“Tex is just completely fooled tonight. Yuck.”
That first pitch he took was a hanger right in the happy zone.
damn Floyd is fooling our big 2
Well, at least the Yanks tied things up
How many breaking balls down and away is Alex going to swing at.
This game is moving along quick
Dr. Cox
July 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
There is really only 1 name that I would be completely surprised and disheartened if his name is on it.
I think we all know who that is…
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Actually there are two that would break my heart. Jeter and Mo
In fact, I am considering naming my new pet froggies after them
Floyd’s pitch count is low enough that he can go all nine tonight.
“WOW how many strike 3’s do you have to look at to realize that this ump has a big zone.”
The Ted Williams conundrum.
ARod’s strike out is why Tex took strike three.
Expand the zone for the pitcher – and he’ll keep expanding it for you.
Funny, the last two guys you would expect from both rosters have scored the only runs so far. That’s baseball in a nutshell right there.
“Cut him some slack, he’s lugging a Frigidaire.”
The way Molina was sweating, I think he left the freezer door open.
I don’t think anyone is seeing the ball that well tonight, pretty boring game.
Good old fashioned pitcher’s duel.
Pettitte: 5 IP, 3 hits, 1 run, 1 earned, 0 walks, 6 K’s
Floyd: 6 IP, 3 hits, 1 run, 1 earned, 1 walk, 7 K’s
Only big difference is, Floyd is at 78 pitches through 6, Pettitte is at 80 through 5.
What’s Floyd’s pitch count? Any chance its somehow a lot higher than I think it is???
The Angels reportedly turning down Saunders, Aybar and Wood for Halladay.
If true – what the heck are the angels thinking? That is a steal. By far the cheapest price put out there for Doc.
Have angels fans been up in arms about this?
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CB -
I live out here near the OC, and I can tell you that the Angels would have had no problem dealing Saunders and Wood, but they think Aybar is just now starting to blossom into a top tier major league player. I’m guessing it was including him that was the deal breaker.
Kay just lost it. Second inning?
Wow – Tex and Alex couldn’t possibly look worse in this game. Every pitch they swing at is a ball and every pitch they take is a strike. Odd.
“Let’s not forget he also hot the last home run at Yankee Stadium. LOL (Still can’t get over that randomness)”
Oh Erica, I was there and I was so happy for him! In fact I was sitting not that far from where he planted the ball.
He is such a good guy, and so unassuming – just like some of the posters here!!!
Nevermind- Patrick the Prospect Hugger answered my question as I was typing it. Good psychic ability there Patrick
Come on Yankees wake up!
“There is really only 1 name that I would be completely surprised and disheartened if his name is on it.
I think we all know who that is…”
I would be completely shocked, in utter disbelief. Nearly every book I have read on the steroid era specifically lists him as the one absolute clean player in the game.
Tex and Arod are just laying in the weeds ready to POUNCE in the 7th and 8th innings.
Andy going 7 tonight?
Trisha-
I will not lie. I would have been so much happier if all the homeruns ended after MPB Johnny Damon’s that night
Pep,
That might be the same – but that is just crazy. Eric Aybar is what keeps you from Halladay?
Toronto moves Halladay they’d also move Scuttaro. Get him included in the deal.
I just don’t get it. It strikes me as the Angels – once again – falling in love with their own players.
“LAURA,
Where in Chicago are you?
I love that city, Im thinking about moving there after I graduate grad school.”
I live in LakeView, which is on the north side of the city. Chicago is a great town; not as good as New York, but good in it’s own way. My biggest complaint is the weather. It’s psychotic. Spring lasts for only one week. The Winters are really cold and the summers (except for this one) are really hot.
Erica-Floyd is at 78 pitches right now
Yet another Beckham for me to dislike. Awesome.
Andy is pitching a great game. When he starts to struggle, I hope Joe has a quick hook.
“I would be completely shocked, in utter disbelief. Nearly every book I have read on the steroid era specifically lists him as the one absolute clean player in the game.”
I think baseball would IMPLODE.
I dont think it would be able to recover from that bombshell.
Why does a-rod always play that far off the line against righties?
Tex and Arod? Come on they all look pretty lost, Yanks have had what 3 hits? It’s just one of those pitcher duels.
“Trisha-
I will not lie. I would have been so much happier if all the homeruns ended after MPB Johnny Damon’s that night”
Of course I understand that Erica.
“Tex and Arod are just laying in the weeds ready to POUNCE in the 7th and 8th innings.”
I think Arod was just stuck in the weeds on that hard grounder down the line. Don’t know that he would have had a play, but slow reaction time on that one.
ANOTHER stike not called.
CMON BLUE>
“The Winters are really cold and the summers (except for this one) are really hot.”
Good luck this winter in the Northeast. All signs point to the worst El Nino winter in the past 20-30 years.
The Pittsburgh Pirates also traded Grabow and Gorzelanny tonight. Is there actually anyone left on that team?!?!
Ben July 30th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Why does a-rod always play that far off the line against righties?
He does it so much I stopped asking. Huge double play.
good for andy!
nice dp, guys!
Dealin’
People actually pay to answer those text polls?
I don’t get it. Let’s see, I can buy a beer, or answer this completely irrelevant text poll.
Hmm…mine might be the deciding vote. I better vote.
Thanks carl, glad I’m not the only one who notices
If Andy keeps pitching at this level for the rest of the season they are going to be very, very difficult to catch.
He looks great.
Remember a couple of weeks ago when there was widespread panic that the yankees only had “two starters?”
Everyone looks so confused at the plate tonight that someone is going to connect with one by accident and it’s going to go a long way.
I hope it’s a Yankee.
Excuse me for being a girl but Gordon Beckham joins my list of Mauer and Sizemore for being one of the semi cute guys in the sport…
“I just don’t get it. It strikes me as the Angels – once again – falling in love with their own players.”
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Yep, but that’s been their MO for the past 9 years. Stoneman was the initiator, and Regins has just continued the policy.
From reading some of the comments in the OC Register, Angels fans are not pleased.
“Expand the zone for the pitcher – and he’ll keep expanding it for you.”
True but you learn from little league and onwards that you have to choke up and foul off those two strike pitches that are close to the plate.
“That might be the same – but that is just crazy. Eric Aybar is what keeps you from Halladay?”
May be their way of saying “we can’t take the money on” without actually saying it. Lot of free agents after this season in Disney. Lackey, Figgins, etc.
did he just call him Kaz Matsui?
WTH was that, why is YES pimpim Kate Hudson in Yankees classics
Erica did you see the picture of your PB tipping his cap in my opening day pictures? We really got a nice shot of him! In fact, there are two really great pictures of him, both on page 3 of my pics. Take a look. I think you might want to print one of them!
“I think baseball would IMPLODE.
I dont think it would be able to recover from that bombshell.”
Agreed it would blow even the biggest RS fans mind.
Espn is reporting the Yanks are interested in Brian Bannister. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
trish,
I dont live close to Fenway but I can tell you that all the local news are reporting this and the media is trashing Ortiz. Mazz already wrote an article and Shaunesse or whatever his name is is trashing him too. Karma on me because of my bad comments about Joba? Like I said I had a suspision that Ortiz may have done steroids a while ago. Let me tell you that Joba is my most hated yankee. I have the most respect for Jeter and Mariano. Joba I cant stand. Something about this guy irks me.Its not because he is a Yankee or he is a good pitcher.
“Why does a-rod always play that far off the line against righties?”
They are positioned by the bench based on spray charts.
Excuse me for being a girl but Gordon Beckham joins my list of Mauer and Sizemore for being one of the semi cute guys in the sport…
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What, Julian Tavarez doesn’t do it for you?
carl
July 30th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Ben July 30th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Why does a-rod always play that far off the line against righties?
He does it so much I stopped asking. Huge double play.
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He’s playing according to the scouting reports . If he had been told that Pettitte was going to throw a big, slow lollypop curve (that should have been hit in the lower stands), he would have played closer to the line.
“Fenway gave Ortiz a standing ovation.
What a bunch of drunken cheaters.”
Kind of like the hundreds of standing ovations in the Bronx for Giambalco and A-Roid. What a bunch of hypocrites. C’mon SJ44 and the others who tell us how steroids don’t really affect stats. Oh, it’s Boston now, everyone is so quite saying they are sick of hearing about steroids.
don’t gloat too much. Yankees have at least two tainted titles – 99 and 00.
Where are all the steroid rationalizations now?
Pathetic hypocrites.
the Yankees starting pitching has really picked it up since the ASB, this is what I expected for most of the season. When they get really hot with the bats again (which they will) they are going be close to unstoppable
“Yep, but that’s been their MO for the past 9 years. Stoneman was the initiator, and Regins has just continued the policy. ”
The irony in that deal was once superman Brandon Wood was the third player in the deal.
Talk about a guy they just couldn’t make a decision on. They literally couldn’t decide if he was a franchise player or a AAAA player.
And all of his value diffused away in their dithering.
Tostito’s, Landshark, Camel Lights and Yankee Baseball.
Im in heaven.
“The Pittsburgh Pirates also traded Grabow and Gorzelanny tonight. Is there actually anyone left on that team?!?!”
Just the manager.
Ummm Ball 4 right nick
“Remember a couple of weeks ago when there was widespread panic that the yankees only had “two starters?””
Yup. I also remember how it was imperative that the Yankees trade for Halladay and that with their current pitching staff they aren’t a playoff team.
Looks like the all-star break is exactly what the doctor ordered for Joba and Pettitte.
Joba’s problem was obviously mental, Pettitte’s is probably physical. Funny how 4 days off can help two guys with completely different problems.
swisher almost spun himself to china
Laura – Release the list!!
July 30th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
“The Pittsburgh Pirates also traded Grabow and Gorzelanny tonight. Is there actually anyone left on that team?!?!”
Just the manager.
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Sounds about right. Maybe they will let me play on that team!!
CB & Pepitone # 25…..Wood is their 3rd baseman security for when Figgins walks in 2010…..Also, I hear that Toronto wants a few more lower end prospects…..Drayton Moore was part of the braintrust that built the great Atlanta Braves teams….Brian Bannister would slot into the Yanks rotation very nicely…..I mentioned this some weeks ago, but only recently has it been frowned upon here at the LoHud……I suspect it’s the fallout from the no Halladay possibility….
This is no contest, the worst I have seen the Yankee hitters ALL YEAR. They are not swinging at strikes at all and willingly swinging at pitches that were not in the strike zone at any point.
Nick Whiffer………Is Hinske realy still on the team?????
“Joba I cant stand. Something about this guy irks me.Its not because he is a Yankee or he is a good pitcher.”
So he’s like a Papelbon over there?
Trisha-
Cute pics!! You have a great camera. I love the one of Johnny on the big scoreboard
“Espn is reporting the Yanks are interested in Brian Bannister. Has anyone else heard anything about this?”
Yeh that’s out there Moore is the hold up. There are also people that think they might rob Dukey or Mahomy from PIT. (Our AAAA affiliate)
Joba’s problem was both mechanical and mental but the mechanics may have been the thing that made him nibble and not want to challenge hitters because he had no confidence in his stuff, that has totally changed in the last 3 starts.
” Something about this guy irks me.Its not because he is a Yankee or he is a good pitcher.”
Is it because he made you out a bag on your head?
Dont feel bad. I heard it’s just “his thing”
Shdw
July 30th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
This is no contest, the worst I have seen the Yankee hitters ALL YEAR. They are not swinging at strikes at all and willingly swinging at pitches that were not in the strike zone at any point.
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Have some perspective. They looked far yuckier during interleague when they were facing all of those pitchers they never faced before
Tonight they are just waiting to hit their stride
“Sounds about right. Maybe they will let me play on that team!!”
I think I can play first.
““There is really only 1 name that I would be completely surprised and disheartened if his name is on it.
I think we all know who that is…”
there is not one person who would shock me. no one is perfect.
everyone falls for temptation in various ways.
Who would have predicted Pettitte?
It’s like trying to predict from a room full of people who would cheat on their spouse. Sometimes you get surprised and shocked.
Steve B.,
That would make sense. But Moreno has been very vocal in saying that finances would not enter into the angels decision making process in any significant way.
Could be part of the an arranged show they’re trying to put on for their fans. But they are relatively under expected budget as they let Tex go and replaced him with Morales.
“What, Julian Tavarez doesn’t do it for you?”
Not in this lifetime…
Considering how much Swisher plays, you would think the Yankees are paying him 20 million dollars a year. What a joke.
seems like the Yankee offense took the later flight to tonights game… hopefully, they’ll arrive shortly.
Haha the RS fans are in complete defense mode it is awesome. I’m pretty sure most of you would agree with me in the fact that you have accepted that most players have done steroids, Yankees or not. But the way they are taking Big Poopi’s news is just great.
CB,
Pettitte is starting to put it together nicely. The cutter is working and he will give it all that he has. He leaves nothing out on the mound.
CC is the only starter who is sputtering a bit now. I agree that the biceps muscle is more of a factor than he is letting on.
Erica,
Our old friend Ross Ohlendorf is one of those few remaining Pirates.
now is it OK to say AROD is in a slump ?
Erica – always OPPC July 30th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Espn is reporting the Yanks are interested in Brian Bannister. Has anyone else heard anything about this?
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Yeah it’s on MLBtraderumors as well
I know Floyd is pitching well but man the yanks are missing the ball by 6 inches or more tonight.
swisher is on fire tonight…..
they are swinging at balls all night long.
nice long AB by cano..
Ouch big E-1
andy botched that all the way
just bend over
Pettitte are you kidding me
Get a DP, Andy.
Wow. Just horrible, horrible luck there.
Andy’s got to bear down and not let that error beat him.
omg… that is one of the worst defensive plays i have ever seen by a major leaguer… seriously just wow… if that guy scores, UGH
I love Pittsburgh’s stadium.
maybe we can trade NYS for it.
Come on Andy! I Did not sign up to watch bad news bears… my dad made me watch that enough as a child.
I realize Gardner is out, but swisher needs to ride the pine & let Hinske play Vs righties..
I guess we aren’t happy unless we are making at least one error a game.
I just looked at Bannister’s game log for 2009, he looks like someone who would be a huge upgrade from Mitre if they can pick him up for something less than top prospects.
“Is it because he made you out a bag on your head?
Dont feel bad. I heard it’s just “his thing””
Ha that is funny
Wow Andy’s stuff is so improved, it’s ridiculous.
Last game his stuff was great but he tired in the 7th inning, he still looks REALLY strong right now.
I would had liked to see Hinske against the righty tonight. But Joe just loves Swisher.
Pettite looking dominant tonight. Haven’t been able to call him “dominant” in quite some time.
“Kind of like the hundreds of standing ovations in the Bronx for Giambalco and A-Roid.”
Awwww, they didn’t get standing ovations an hour after the information was released. Come on now, admit it! So now you have to take back your “pathetic hypocrites” comment. Atta boy.
Erica,
Our old friend Ross Ohlendorf is one of those few remaining Pirates
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He might be pitching daily in a one man rotation.
How much of an ego blow do you think it must be to NOT be traded when you are a Pittsburgh Pirate. Remaining on that team after the trade deadline must feel like not getting picked for a team in dodgeball
Trisha, the Entitled just made an appearance, I guess we forgot the one about players never slipping on wet fields when they might have mud in their cleats.
Nice error Alex!
A-rod needs a day off.
He’s looked very sluggish at third today.
It’s Tuesday night again.
the inning from hell?
OH CMON DEFENSE!!!!
Double play botched by A-Rod… Absolutely disgusting
tough error, but he should have had it.
“That would make sense. But Moreno has been very vocal in saying that finances would not enter into the angels decision making process in any significant way.”
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Yeah, well, Moreno does a lot of talking, but very little action.
He’s another one Angel fans are starting to grumble against.
“omg… that is one of the worst defensive plays i have ever seen by a major leaguer… seriously just wow… if that guy scores, UGH”
Worst play ever? I will bet you have slipped and fallen on loose wet grass 700 times in your life. Let along going all out to try and field a ball.
Joe loves that clown Swisher……Joe must have loved the circus as a kid…
101 pitches, 2 men on, usually implodes in 7th…leave him in Joe.
This would be a really, really tough luck loss for Andy.
Alex has got to come up with that ball.
this gonna be another 7th inning horror show?
Was I watching a different game? Andy slipped.
“I agree that the biceps muscle is more of a factor than he is letting on.”
I think CC’s pulling a Jeter/ Pettitte. I think that arm is bothering him and he’s telling the team that it’s no big deal and that he’ll pitch through it. And he’s not talking about it. Instead he’s just saying vague things like “I’m not finishing my pitches.”
He does not look like he does at baseline.
And the variation in his starts may have to do with how his arm happens to feel that day.
who is this asdfa he/she is a clown
Girardi learns his lesson from the last time he let Andy talk him out of it.
Wow Joe are you out of your mind? You’re taking him out after two errors?
Talk about bad luck…
Great Job taking him out
Phranchise in.
Remember what happened last time?
what is girardi’s problem? Honestly?
aww, poor Andy………great job, though. Even if the Yankees lose, it’s still a big plus to have him back on the beam…….
aww, poor Andy………great job, though. Even if the Yankees lose, it’s still a big plus to have him back on the beam…….
I think you leave Andy in here. His stuff is the sharpest it’s been all season.
Hopefully Hughes can stop the rally.
“Cute pics!! You have a great camera. I love the one of Johnny on the big scoreboard”
That’s the one I figured you’d like. That’s a real nice picture of him.
The silver lining? The Yankees have looked like complete dog crap and are still in the game.
“who is this asdfa he/she is a clown”
I tend to ignore the dumb ones, I’m too Awesome for that.
its a shame…andy pitched a real good game and 2 errors (one his own) screw him out of a possibl win or not even a loss …hopefully hughes gets it done..
What a pity. Pettitte pitched an outstanding game. He’s suddenly found his strikeout pitch over the last three starts. No offense (Floyd has been outstanding) and wet grass and defense killed him.
“Wow Joe are you out of your mind? You’re taking him out after two errors?
Talk about bad luck…”
You have to take him out. Errors or not the game is on the line. Go with your best late man in the pen (excluding Mo). Hughes is very well rested.
He’s going with Hughes, he hasn’t pitched since Sunday and should be very strong. Andy gave the Yankees a solid start, he wanted to stay in and is channeling Paul O’Neill right now.
“Girardi learns his lesson from the last time he let Andy talk him out of it.”
Last time Andy was visibly gassed.
This time it’s he looks good and it’s two mistakes that have caused the trouble.
It’s not the same lesson.
E-5 changed to a basehit.
Slipping on wet grass makes it forgivable? You’ve got to be a little more athletic than that. It’s a horrible defensive play, nothing less and nothing more. He pitched great but it was an awful error
“now is it OK to say AROD is in a slump ?”
Umm, no. Hes having a bad game. He had a bunch of hits, a HR and rbis in the tampa series.
one game does not = a slump, ya bum
sh*t luck. it happens.
Let’s go Phil!
should have just dumped the G cooler Andy.
lol Andy,
he’s angry enough to shake up the cooler but he’s polite enough to put it back together.
Laura – Release the list!!
July 30th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I guess we aren’t happy unless we are making at least one error a game.
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Yep, that streak of errorless games seems like a million years ago.
Has there been any news on Aceves’ shoulder?
“Trisha, the Entitled just made an appearance, I guess we forgot the one about players never slipping on wet fields when they might have mud in their cleats.”
MG – you definitely get it.
“Slipping on wet grass makes it forgivable? You’ve got to be a little more athletic than that. It’s a horrible defensive play, nothing less and nothing more. He pitched great but it was an awful error”
how can you say that? He slipped? That wasn’t a hideous failure to perform a fundamental baseball skill it was physics.
Andy vents, then politely cleans up after himself.
Class always shines through.
nope…
You’re still mediocre Brandon.
in the big picture, Andy’s resurgence is a big positive, he’ll win plenty of games down the stretch pitching like this.
“E-5 changed to a basehit.”
The official scorer is being kind to Alex. I thought he should have had that.
“You have to take him out. Errors or not the game is on the line. Go with your best late man in the pen (excluding Mo). Hughes is very well rested.”
STOP
MAKING
SENSE!!!
I’m not watching YES, but it sounds like Andy showed a rare flash of emotion after being taken out.
“nope…
You’re still mediocre Brandon.”
pffft…I’m too awesome for you.
Kay and Leiter say low scoring games are more interesting than high scoring games. Yet Pete says this low scoring game is boring.
what do you prefer — Pitching duel or slug-out?
asdfa you are an absolute clown. I will now be taking Brandons Awesome advice.
2 different strike zones.
Hahah I love that Andy cleaned up the cooler after slamming it. He pitched a great game tonight and I hope he realizes that once he cools down from the two mistakes.
Trisha, I would say that Andy’s cleats definitely had some mud in them since it was raining and it was really tough to stop on a wet field (been there, done that) but it doesn’t matter to TE…
The Awesome Association Inc.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
nope…
You’re still mediocre Brandon.
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LOL
Dr. Cox July 30th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
“now is it OK to say AROD is in a slump ?”
Umm, no. Hes having a bad game. He had a bunch of hits, a HR and rbis in the tampa series.
one game does not = a slump, ya bum
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he’s got 2 HR’S & 7 RBI’s since 7/12…OK no slump
Andy slipped, I’m not sure how he could get blamed for that. And that play by Alex, sure he should/could have had it but it wasn’t that easy either. Tough luck but Yanks have to figure out a way to win. Good news is Andy had a nice outing.
“Slipping on wet grass makes it forgivable? You’ve got to be a little more athletic than that.”
This comment belongs in the blogosphere hall of fame.
You have to be more athletic than the properties of physics.
Betsy – Miggs was right earlier. You need to relax about the money.
Every team is flawed and can use help. The Yanks need depth but you can add cheap players too. We don’t need Halladay and I want to win without him.
We will get, at some point, another #4 or 5 starter, perhaps a reliever (no Marte sucks and is not the answer) and as long as Gardner is healthy in a few weeks they do not need another OF.
You need to calm down and stop talking about Hal being cheap.
You sound like a spoiled brat. Jeez.
He pushed a cooler with both hands, visibly upset. Then he quickly put the lid back on, and placed the cooler back in its proper place. Al and Michael commented on how Andy is “one of the most polite guys you’ll ever meet.” It was awesome.
are you kidding meagweg asdgdsag ag a
W T F
Did that really just happen
Are you frakin’ hitting me?
Oh no.
Unbelievable………
What was that?
3 errors in 1 inning.
Awesome.
fail
What horsecrap defense. Unbelievable.
wow, that’s probably the 1st bad throw Robby has made all year…
GOD DAMN IT WITH THESE ERRORS
eeek Cano. That wasn’t pretty.
wowwwwwwwww…there’s something you don’t see often.
WOW….You almost never see Cano make a bad throw.
cano picked a bad time to make a bad throw
“STOP
MAKING
SENSE!!!”
Sorry Trish I will do my best. I don’t know what to say about that throw though. Looked like he wanted to hang on to it.
what do they have against poor andy? its like they just dont want him to win
“what do you prefer — Pitching duel or slug-out?”
Give me a slug fest any day.
Errors are the product of losing baseball. Yankees have been too good to be this bad defensively.
great.
Cy Floyd
Phil did his job…….wow.
We better score some runs and win this one.
MPB Johnny Damon just made the best defensive play of the inning
He actually caught his ball!!!!
Bad throw by Cano obviously.
But ARod did not help at all there.
ARod paused before throwing just to make sure he’d get his throw off.
But that let the runner get closer to Cano and you could see the runner being so close affected Cano’s throw.
Just bad defense all the way around.
When it rains it errors
they should call up Duncan tomorrow just to deal with Pierzynski.
Use him as a PR in a sac fly situation. ba da BOOM.
maybe that throw got away because cano throws fundamentally WRONG.
It’s like they never got off the plane. carl may have been right; they didn’t come ready to play.
safe to say this won’t be on Yankees Classics?
I blame Jack Cust.
I don’t mind losing a game, but that was ridiculous
Tuesday night all over again. Horiffic defense is going to cost them this game.
Gotta make the routine plays. If you can’t, you don’t deserve to win.
Cano should have held that ball.
what was AJ thinking on that slide…its like he wanted to push cano with his hands…not making an excuse for cano but anychance that messed with him?
“Last time Andy was visibly gassed.
This time it’s he looks good and it’s two mistakes that have caused the trouble.
It’s not the same lesson.”
I agree.
Andy really got screwed that inning. 3 errors (i dont care what Alex’s play was ruled, that’s an error) and he isn’t even given an opportunity to pitch out of the jam.
I’ve always hated AJ Pierzynski.
errors & none by the OF now that a surprise
Pierzyski barrel rolled into Cano and it at least distracted him, it was a late slide and we should hit him with a pitch.
ugly ugly inning . the pettitte error was pathetic. the arod throw to cano was high and he took to much time but cano yanked the throw big time.
another ugly game 2 in the last 3……………
I remind you guys that “poor” Andy started that whole inning with a terrible play of his own.
“But ARod did not help at all there.”
I think it’s time for A-rod to get another day off. He’s looked really sluggish at third today.
Here’s a hint: life happens.
Nobody did anything on purpose, everyone is trying to win, people sometimes make mistakes, and the Yankees are still in first place.
Unfortunate, but that’s life.
My apologies to TE if I’ve offended you!
Cano throws fundamentally wrong?? Noone makes that pivot and throw on a DP faster than him
Cano ALWAYS makes bad throws. It just usually doesn’t get away from Teixeira. Someone should teach him to throw like a man.
Ok let’s get some runs!
S.A. where are you with your encouraging positive posts?
This would be a pretty horrible way to lose, on that extra run from the throw. I hope we at least tie it up to erase last inning….
Pierzinski will get hit before the series is over.
For the most part, pitchers are a liability with the leather….They’re not good athletes….They can hit a fly buzzing from 60 feet 6 inches, but if a ball his hit back to them and the play is at 2nd, it’s always an adventure…..All the pfp’s in the world will never change this…..
“maybe that throw got away because cano throws fundamentally WRONG.”
Imagine he made the MLB and is probably the best fielder at his respective position with bad fundamentals.
“ugly ugly inning . the pettitte error was pathetic.”
Honestly, I don’t understand how that comment is possible? How was that pathetic? The guy slipped on wet grass?!?!
maybe if he threw overhand the ball wouldn’t end up in right field.
“I’ve always hated AJ Pierzynski.”
Everyone in the league does as well.
When Michael Barret punched him it was amazing.
Oh Melky.
Carl was not right. Up until that inning, they were tied 1-1. The standards this team is being held to is ridiculous; if they don’t score 5 runs a night they didn’t come to play?
I don’t like that this is 2 out of 3 games where there defense has been atrocious. However, I’m not at all concerned about Andy or Cano……..Alex may need a rest.
This umpire is AWFUL.
That was a strike in fantasy land.
Melky has no beef there.
IF YOU DONT LIKE THE UMPS STRIKEZONE
STOP LOOK AT AND START SWINGING AT THE PITCH THAT IS DOWN THE MIDDLE
That 3rd strike to Melky was way off the plate.
This ump is SO bad.
Embarassing.
This ump is awful. that pitch was 5 inches outside. Also the non call on the dirty slide by AJ. Hopefully tomorrow AJ can get one between the numbers!
Still 2 more innings to make up for that error-fueled inning.
Ted Barrett is auditioning for the Little League World Series.
It’s been his lifelong ambition.
No the ball was there in plenty of time but the runner was going into Robbie and that’s what caused the bad throw.
I’m sick of the Yankee offense tonight.
I can deal with them scoring very few runs, Floyd has been great. What I can’t deal with is the number of backwards K’s. After the first few they should realize that the ump is going to call that outside-low pitch.
The ump has a gigantic zone but he’s been consistent. Take the bat off your shoulder and protect the plate, striking out is unacceptable.
“Carl was not right. Up until that inning, they were tied 1-1. The standards this team is being held to is ridiculous; if they don’t score 5 runs a night they didn’t come to play?”
Betsy, I was talking about their God awful fielding. They look totally unprepared out there.
damn is this game really over? Floyd looks like Cy Young out there tonight, we lose b/c of an error?
That was close to a strike
is US Cellular a “Questech” park?
Was that a strike Barrons?
that was a good pitch
Who is this guy calling balls and strikes? Unbelievable!
there it is again
keep lookin at it fools
“When Michael Barret punched him it was amazing.”
That was great, but he did take that like a champ.
Wow terrible stat for K’s looking please.
Cano learned a lesson. He expected Pierzynski to slide.
Next time he’ll get drilled in the head.
Pierzynski has always been that type of player.
The ump is just waiting to toss someone. I think Joe needs to go out there and curse this ump out. It is awful.
6 strikeout lookings tonight atleast… pathetic… that’s a strike Jorge… and it was on the 2 called ones to Tex and Swish… SWING THE BAT
floyd is spotting his curve sooooo well
Come on blue!
Posada can’t tell what a strike is either?
eh… maybe not
Heres an idea..SWING
7 called 3rd strikes lol
Same pitch Cabrera struck out on. Both were strikes. More importantly, they’ve been strikes all night.
“Pierzynski has always been that type of player.”
Like I said early in this thread, I never liked that guy and nobody else does either.
arite Jetes. 2 out rally. Lets go.
I’m sitting behind home plate charting pitches.
The HP umpire has missed 32 pitches for both teams tonight. The latest being Melky’s strike 3.
This may be the worst job a guy has done behind the plate this year.
Neither team has any idea what the strike zone is this evening.
I just had flashbacks of last season when Vernon Wells blatantly trapped a ball on Johnny Damon and cost us the game.
it’s a tight 2-1 ball game and all the so called experts around here are chiming in with wisdom like “THEY DIDNT COME READY TO PLAY”, bunch of amateurs, I bet half the people trying to sound smart are watching on GAMEDAY.
“Betsy, I was talking about their God awful fielding. They look totally unprepared out there.”
Believe it or not we’re the 5th best inf fielding team in the league.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 30th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
I’m sick of the Yankee offense tonight.
I can deal with them scoring very few runs, Floyd has been great. What I can’t deal with is the number of backwards K’s. After the first few they should realize that the ump is going to call that outside-low pitch.
The ump has a gigantic zone but he’s been consistent. Take the bat off your shoulder and protect the plate, striking out is unacceptable
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But all Floyd has to do is throw it even further outside. Like he did with Alex in his last at bat.
Jeters got the right idea..in order to get a hit you have to swing
I agree.
Girardi needs to go flip out on the ump. Get tossed just to make a statement.
Floyd did pitch amazing. It’s not his fault the ump had a wide zone. He hit his spots very well and used it to his advantage.
Laura, I just chalk that up to poor execution instead of reading that much into it. Errors happen – and I really think this team is always prepared to play.
Does that run count against Phil’s scoreless streak? I wouldn’t think so……not that it matters. Bad games happen – I’ll just think positive should they lose. Andy looked great and Phil did his job there……looked good.
Please tell me this wasn’t the ump for Beurhle’s perfect game.
Phil Hughes reminds me of Gavin Floyd…i can see him being that type of starting pitcher
the thing is… whether they are strikes or not… (most of them have been)… the ump has been calling it all night.. to still be taking that backdoor curve in the 8th…. ugh… c’mon guys, Andy deserves a W tonight
Like I said early in this thread, I never liked that guy and nobody else does either.
Im sure if he is on your team you love him. I may be wrong but he seems like that kind of player. Kinda like Sean Avery. No one likes him but Ranger’s fans.
By now the Yanks should realize tonight’s strike zone is wide, adjust accordingly.
Thank god Floyd is out the there.
Jeter stealing 2nd here?
S.A. where are you? Need positive vibes.
I smell a let down from the TB series
THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE ERIC HINSKE FOR
Thornton is NASTY. Nasty, nasty, nasty.
On the plus side, if they bring in Jenks to close, he’s hit-or-miss.
SJ 32 pitches, I hope you know someone to pass it along and get him fined, fired something. This is insane!
“But all Floyd has to do is throw it even further outside. Like he did with Alex in his last at bat.”
That ball was in the dirt 2 feet outside. Quite a bit different than a ball a few inches outside the zone.
SJ44,
That is fascinating, hope you are enjoying the game. Pettitte really got screwed there.
Despite the gigantic strike zone I feel it’s the Yankees’ responsibility to adjust. They know that pitch is going to get called, they MUST protect.
No adjustment = loss
HINSKE=THE MARK MELANCON OF POSITION PLAYERS
DT – OPPC member (blood type – Positive)
July 30th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Cano learned a lesson. He expected Pierzynski to slide.
Next time he’ll get drilled in the head.
Pierzynski has always been that type of player.
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Pierzynski is the same kind of player as Billy Martin was. He has some talent and he gets the most out of it. He pushes the rules to the limit. You hate the guy playing against him, but, would love having him on your team.
Phil Hughes reminds me of Gavin Floyd
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except Floyd is 26 1/2
Phil could be as good as Floyd fairly quickly.
I wonder what fans of other teams say when their teams are losing…….and they don’t have close to the same record as the Yankees. We just came off of taking 2/3 from the Rays and ran into a good pitcher tonight – that’s sickening?
YOU STILL GOT THIS YANKS!!!
WE ARE GONNA WIN THIS GAME!!
WE”RE GONNA WINNNN, WE”RE GONNNNA WINNNNN!!!!!
asdfa July 30th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
the thing is… whether they are strikes or not… (most of them have been)… the ump has been calling it all night.. to still be taking that backdoor curve in the 8th…. ugh… c’mon guys, Andy deserves a W tonight
These hitters should not have to change their strike zone. The strike should not be so vastly different just because one smucko umpire wants it to be that way. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
tj,
if its not a big deal to you, lose the CAPS
No hitter is trained to swing at pitches that far off the plate.
You adjust to that, you go into deep slumps, as Pat M will attest.
Going to close my eyes
This strikezone was established early on….Floyd is hitting on the outside with his breaking ball , Yanks watching and not going with the flow of the umpire……Adjustemnts
Phil’s gonna be much better than Floyd.
“it’s a tight 2-1 ball game and all the so called experts around here are chiming in with wisdom like “THEY DIDNT COME READY TO PLAY”, bunch of amateurs, I bet half the people trying to sound smart are watching on GAMEDAY.”
Yeah, you are right. I’m watching on Gameday. I live in Chicago and have a 56″ TV, but I’m watching on Gameday. Got it.
Ted Barrett is channeling his inner Eric Gregg tonight.
Believe it or not it’s not easy to adjust a trained eye to swing at pitches 6 inches off the plate. It’s not normal.
whatever. why even have a bench if it’s never utilized? that’s why all this talk about trading for bench depth is overrated.
SJ charting pitches LOL.
I wonder if we can see him on TV.
Nice damon!
Come on Tex!
man, how does jete only get to 2nd????
there were 2 outs!!
Tex coming up
I will close my eyes again 
Okay Marky Mark hit one out and get us the lead!
Let’s get a rally going, eh?
i guess he did get to it quickly
Incredible AB by Damon. Good on ya!
C’mon, MVP!
“Despite the gigantic strike zone I feel it’s the Yankees’ responsibility to adjust. They know that pitch is going to get called, they MUST protect.”
Agreed. Zone may be expanded, but it’s been consistent for both teams.
Damn what a great piece of hitting by Damon. Didn’t think he had a chance against Thornton. Let’s go Tex
“and have a 56? TV”
Laura…. a 56″ TV? What are we making up for here?
lol jk
READ MY POST FROM 10:43!!
“Dr. Cox
July 30th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Tex and Arod are just laying in the weeds ready to POUNCE in the 7th and 8th innings.”
THIS IS IT!!!
Jesus. Christ. Almighty.
Tex looks like garbage tonight.
Give us a wave the next time the camera shows HP, SJ, lol.
geez…that was a bad at bat
come on yankssss hold em here then we need a 9th inning rally
pissed it away
:cringe:
Tex could have made the most of his at bat. Just a little more…
Gaving Floyd is really an excellent pitcher. I had him on my fantasy team earlier in the season but got antsy when he had a few bad games and dropped him (shame on me).
hinske hits lefty….
I think we’ll have one last gasp in the 9th.
and Jenks will face ARod who looks lost tonight, Matsui, and Swisher… if a man gets on – Cano
well, they can pull it out
wow that is nasty…this would be a tough loss but it happens…bottom of the 7th hurts but they still cant score..
“man, how does jete only get to 2nd????”
Was thinking the same, but the LF got there fast and you can’t risk making that 3rd out at 3rd with Teixeira coming up.
Jennifer did you get to have dinner at “the Dolphin”?
Have any drinks at “the Skipper”?
Glad your trip was fun.
hasn’t Jenks been iffy lately?
SJ44,
Pat M kind of just agreed with me.
Most of the bad strike calls have been near the zone. Not strikes, true, but not that far out of the zone.
You have to protect the plate in 2 strike situations, don’t let the ump take the bat out of your hands. You learn that at every level of baseball.
The Yankees are playing like they are hungover.
19 strikeouts total.
Disaster of a game so far. Cano must redeem himself!
Tex not having one of his better games…
at least he almost swung at that one…
the yanks have done almost nothing right tonight..
tough loss if they lose.
bad fielding and bad RISP hitting….
Where did phils first pitch miss?
Jenks has been VERY shaky in last six outings. This game isn’t over yet. Hughes needs to keep this to a one run game, we’ll have a chance in the 9th
I may be a little late to the party, but why in the world is Swisher hitting in front of Cano? Its the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Outside of Cano’s throw that is.
Jenks is no longer automatic. We’ve still got a shot.
SJ, The zone reminds me of the Maddox / Glavine / Smoltz strike zones…..2 balls on the outside, 1 ball on the inside….You have to foul those pitches off……Remember 96, the Yanks finally figured that out and smoked those pitches to the opposite field….
why does anyone throw swisher a fastball?
he cannot hit offspeed pitches…
Thornton staying in=game over.
“Jesus. Christ. Almighty.”
Would you keep that and GD to a minimum? I don’t want to offend you by asking that but those things really offend by catholic sensibilities. I apologize if you feel I am out of order by asking that. Seriously.
miggs-
No went to the Firefly in Falmouth and the Irish pub in Falmouth.
I’d stay with Thorton against A-rod
Cano turned his back on Pierzynski and his arm followed, causing his careless throw to get away. Had he thrown like a man that would have been a double play.
Thorton to pitch the btm. of the 9th
whether Jenks has been shaky or not…
these are the Comeback Kids
it’s never over
Psh, u can’t even compare today’s zone to Maddux’s. Maddux would get pitches 6 inches off the plate called for strikes routinely. Tonight, most of Floyd’s pitches on the outside corner were actually strikes. We just couldn’t adjust tonight.
top*
dollars to doughnuts Cano makes the last out. that kind of thing always happens.
possibly the most frustrating game since Damaso Marte gave up that grand slam to Marlon Byrd in Texas last year.
that one still takes the cake, though.
Plus, this one’s not over…
“No hitter is trained to swing at pitches that far off the plate.
You adjust to that, you go into deep slumps, as Pat M will attest.”
That was Ted Williams take on things.
And lots of fans couldn’t stand him for it.
The more things change…
Kay scared me there.
or had he kept his ground and not been a pu$$% that would have been a DP as well
BD 2.0 I hope you’re right. This would be a horrible way to lose a game.
“That one was driven DEEEEP to center field”…… give it a break Kay.
Psh, u can’t even compare today’s zone to Maddux’s. Maddux would get pitches 6 inches off the plate called for strikes routinely. Tonight, most of Floyd’s pitches on the outside corner were actually strikes. We just couldn’t adjust tonight.
If they were strikes, what adjusting would have to be done? Your post makes no sense.
Hughes’ stuff is NASTY.
First time iverealky seen it up close and guys just can’t center his stuff.
He also hides the ball well in his wind up and the ball is on hitters quickly.
Very impressive.
PJH- the adjustment is called swinging the bat. Are you that slow?
Ozzy won’t have Thornton close it out. He won’t want to burn him out for the rest of the series.
SJ44
Nice to know. He just made Beckham look silly.
This ump must be approaching the record for most called 3rd strikes. Mariano would be unhittable with him back there.
Firefly. Heard it had really good food but never went.
Irish Pub…just that name would keep me away. I’m not an “Irish Pub” kind of guy.
asdfa,
You don’t understand baseball.
Nice inning from Phil, and now is the time for the offense to giddy up. A-Rod will start it off in the 9th.
13 pitchers used in the LA-StL game last night and 12 so far tonight. Back to back extra innings is a killer.
the last 8 innings are the past – can’t get them back.
the 9th inning is the future – time to score a run. (or two)
miggs July 30th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Ok let’s get some runs!
S.A. where are you with your encouraging positive posts?
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Oops, I’m here!
Good job Youuse. Let’s score 2 in the 9th and hand it off to Mo.
# PJH July 30th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
This ump must be approaching the record for most called 3rd strikes. Mariano would be unhittable with him back there.
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Jose Veras would be unhittable with him back there
Well, Phil has done his job beautifully……as did Andy. Those are huge positives. Tex had a bad game – he’ll have a few more of those, as everyone does. It happens.
C’mon A-Rod, you have a chance to redeem yourself man…. get on base, be a leadoff hitter
or not.
Tie it up Alex
Pat M,
this is Eric Gregg’s strike zone for Livan in that LCS game against the Marlins. It’s that out of line.
alex please tie this up
““That one was driven DEEEEP to center field”…… give it a break Kay”
Thank you! Kay is getting ridiculous. I think this year in particular. Still like him tho.
asdfa July 30th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
PJH- the adjustment is called swinging the bat. Are you that slow?
So on other nights they don’t have to swing the bat? Do they get all their runs on bases loaded walks? Im a little confused by your logic. If the umpire is calling strikes that are over the plate there is no reason to adjust.
What is the appropriate way to react to a game like this? Offensively, they couldn’t hit their way out of a wet paper bag and defensively they looked loke a bunch of drunken sailors.
But man Andy looked good on the mound.
From Jon Heyman’s Twitter page:
“yankees, #mariners now talking washburn. yanks say no on joba, hughes, jax, romine, montero. otherwise, take your pick.”
Okay.
This is a clutch situation, so don’t expect anything outta ARod.
re-todd
I thought that last pitch was very good – others on another board said it was borderline, but that was a great pitch.
A-Rod looking like 2006 ALDS A-Rod.
Well when you watch the first 2 strikes go down the you know what you’re in for a K.
Sox pitchers have just made our hitters look silly tonight.
damn game over.
PJH, i don’t know what else to say, the ump was calling pitches for strikes all night in teh same location and we were taking them. The Adjustment we needed to make was to START SWINGING AT THOSE PITCHES. if you don’t get htat logic, sorry
Girardi’s man crush to be the last hope?
back up the bus.
Will Hughes come out for the 9th?
“yankees, #mariners now talking washburn. yanks say no on joba, hughes, jax, romine, montero. otherwise, take your pick.”
M’s should take McAllister and run.