Greetings from Gate F-80
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Good morning from the Gary Sheffield International Airport here in Tampa.
Sheff, as you may know, grew up in Tampa. He once told the beat writers that Tampa was such a tough town that he knew guys who would kill you for a ham sandwich. This, presumably, was before they put in all the chain restaurants. Now they would kill you for a table at the Cheesecake Factory and the factory chop salad.
Kudos to the people who run this airport. There is free wireless and I’m writing this from a desk just a few steps from the gate that includes plenty of power outlets. You would think such places would be standard in airports but they are not. Nearly every little cubicle is already in use at this early hour.
It was interesting seeing the reaction the Yankees had to George Steinbrenner last night. For Derek, Jorge, Andy and Mo, it was like old times. They have vivid memories of Steinbrenner being in the clubhouse all the time. But for the newcomers, seeing Steinbrenner was like spotting J.D. Salinger.
“It was pretty cool,” CC Sabathia said. “He was very friendly.”
Friendly? Hope Ed Whitson didn’t read that.
Some of the younger players, including Phil Hughes, met The Boss for the first time and were surprised to see him in a wheelchair. But Steinbrenner has a bad knee that he refuses to get operated on and has trouble walking. But he is doing better these days and there is a chance he will be in New York for the upcoming Boston series. Maybe he’ll gather some of his old New York City cronies.
But gone are the days when part of a beat writer’s job was staking out the hallway outside his office in Tampa in pursuit of an inflammatory quote. I still remember one spring training day a few years ago when Big Stein barked a comment out to Jim Baumbach of Newsday then ran over Sweeny Murti’s foot in his golf cart. We literally chased him down the hall shouting questions about A-Rod.
Now we give Steinbrenner his space, even the tabloids. Hal Steinbrenner runs the team and when the voice of ownership needs to be heard, he steps forward. That’s how it should be, I think. Let the old guy have his dignity.
As for the Yankees, they treated Steinbrenner to a 6-2 victory then flew off to Chicago. As they were in the air, the Dodgers were beaten and now the Yankees are tied for the best record in baseball at 62-39. It has been an impressive last month or so.
The Yankees left the Rays reeling and the stumblin’ Red Sox have dropped seven of their last 10. But the Yankees want to be the champions of October, not July.
“There is still a lot of work to do,” Joe Girardi said.
That there is, starting tonight at U.S. Cellular Field. Check back on the blog later on.
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I wonder how lucid “The Boss” is? I expect he has his good days and bad ones.
“They want Youk, Bard, Clay”
in the same trade? JP must think he is a pimp
Play today win today ! Lets go yanks !
Pete is a lot more clever and a lot less cranky when he can enjoy the comfort of a free-wireless, well-powered airport cubicle.
Greetings from Korea. I am working for the US Army here and am an avid Yankee fan. Watch the games on MLB.com and read your posts every day. Have a great trip – on to a sweep in Chicago!
Thanks Pete! Tied for 1st! Long way to go, but padding the lead before the Boston series is good.. Garza admits to plunking Tex on purpose..We knew that!.. Now what happens to Halladay? I want both Joba and Phil to stay the course with NY.
Any guess as to the next announced new Yankee (post Judd Hirsch)? My guess is the Duchscherer.
Great post, Pete. I really appreciate the details on Big Stein’s visit as I was wondering how he interacted with the players. It would be great if they get him that 27th championship he has wanted so badly. I wonder how it is for George not to be in charge of the team now.
Safe travels, Pete.
Enjoy Chicago. It’s been almost 10 years since we lived in the area. I still miss it. What was interesting to us, regarding baseball in Chicago, is that we actually enjoyed going to White Sox games a ton more than our sole experience at Wrigley. It was a very family friendly park. And my daughter, who was 8 at the time, got a real kick out of hearing the ballpark announcer roll out the names “MAG-li-o Or-DON-yez” and “Paul Kon-ER-ko”.
Nice, Pete. (Don’t tell Sweeney I laughed when I about his poor foot!)
I don’t miss the days when The Boss when turn the screws on the team and Torre. This is a much nicer work environment for all concerned. But I am grateful that he always cared a great deal about winning. Can’t beat that in an owner.
I wish him all the best. Have a great trip.
“read” missing above.
BTW, picked up two evening papers tonight (it’s Thursday night here) which show detailed drawings of the shoulder and where injuries occur, along with Wang’s story and photos. Wanted to see what “inside stuff” those intrepid Taiwanese reporters had managed to get their hands on. If I see anything interesting, I’ll write. Wouldn’t be surprised to learn that a large group were staking out his parents’ home — it’s happened before; it will happen again.
doreen:
that is interesting. What made White Sox/Cellular Field a more enjoyable experience for you?
“I don’t miss the days when The Boss when turn the screws on the team and Torre. This is a much nicer work environment for all concerned”
ditto. And we actually have a farm system now.
that said, he cared about winning
It’s funny how tough guys are always from the toughest places.
Tampa? Come on Shef.
Darryl Strawberry. Now that guy grew up in a tough place.
Pete, thanks for the story about George…..I’m glad he’s doing well. I’m also glad the media has left him alone to enjoy his privacy. How neat for the new players to finally meet him (though I think CC and AJ met him the day of their press conference) and the vets to see him again. I think we all miss George – though not his old ways (though, of course, he’d mellowed).
Remember Bobby Bonilla telling Bob Klapisch he was going to “show him the Bronx”? lol
vinny-b
At the White Sox ballpark, you could walk around a concourse and still see the game. It was a lot less crowded and it was clean. The parking was convenient. Since we had no team allegiance, we just went where it was most comfortable for our family. When we went to Wrigley, we found it rude, dirty, and since the ivy hadn’t yet grown in, it lacked “charm.” Parking was next to impossible and very expensive.
(Being able to walk around was a very, very nice thing at the time, since said 8-year-old daughter could not sit through a game, and this allowed us to accommodate her needs and still enjoy a ballgame.)
Watching an old Yankees-Mets game.
Kay quoting Robin Ventura: “I’m just keeping 3rd base warm for Drew Henson”
Not exactly.
I’ll get to watch these next games on regular TV, but I’ll also be subjected to Hawk and that other loser. Those guys are the pure definition of homers.
Freakn Panic in Red Sox Nation!
http://multimedia.heraldintera.....302009.jpg
Great to hear the BOSS made an appearance!
Other than the Angels series (Will we ever figure those guys out?) It has been an AMAZING MONTH!! GO YANKS!!! Lets do some damage in AUGUST!!!
“At the White Sox ballpark, you could walk around a concourse and still see the game. It was a lot less crowded and it was clean. The parking was convenient. Since we had no team allegiance, we just went where it was most comfortable for our family. When we went to Wrigley, we found it rude, dirty, and since the ivy hadn’t yet grown in, it lacked “charm.” Parking was next to impossible and very expensive.
(Being able to walk around was a very, very nice thing at the time, since said 8-year-old daughter could not sit through a game, and this allowed us to accommodate her needs and still enjoy a ballgame.)”
kewl.
Oh, I miss Robin Ventura. Cool guy.
“It’s funny how tough guys are always from the toughest places.
Tampa? Come on Shef”
Tampa wasn’t really a joke. Not Compton. But prolly comparable to a place like Dallas.
lol on the Drew Henson sound byte
Betsey George was not at the CC and AJ press conferences it was Hal who was there. The ONLY thing I am bummed about for the upcoming Chicago series is that Bartolo Colon has been put on the DL so he wont be able to make his schediled start against he Yanks on Friday. I am sure Arod was devestated when he heard this news as well. HIs numbers against Colon are off the chart.
The weird thing about Wang is last night I was listening to the WCBS broadcast stuck intraffic on the way home and Suzyn said about Wang that there was no news from the Yankees but that she said “The discovered there was a tear in there when they did the surgery” now eithr I am misundertsanding what the surgery was for or she is reporting something that no one else has said.
“Freakn Panic in Red Sox Nation!”
for any classic movie lovers:
Red Sox Nation = The Mouse that Roared
Freakn Panic in Red Sox Nation!
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I don’t envy Theo one little bit. It’s not like JP is acting rationally re Halliday.
How quickly things change. All ESPN’s talking heads could shout at us earlier in the season was how AMAZING Boston’s pitching was.
….And then there were two…(Beckette and Lester) Can they really rely on Bucholz? Not so much.
Plus, they seriously need a bat and a shortstop.
Our upcoming face-off should be quite interesting.
Garza hit Teixeira as payback:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4365353
Short article:
Tampa Bay’s Matt Garza hit New York Yankees slugger Mark Teixeira with a fifth-inning pitch Wednesday night, then said he did it because he’s tired of opposing pitchers throwing at Rays All-Star Evan Longoria.
Teixeira, who homered and drove in two runs in the Yankees’ 6-2 victory over Garza, was plunked after one of Joba Chamberlain’s pitches sailed over Longoria’s head in the previous inning.
“They can take whatever they want from it from it, but I just kind of got tired of people brushing him back. It’s about time someone made a statement,” Garza said, noting that Longoria was hit by a pitch in the opener of the three-game series on Monday night.
“I hate to be that guy, but someone had to take a stand and say we’re tired of it,” the right-hander added. “You can go after our best guy. Well, we’ll make some noise, too, and that’s what happened.”
Longoria, who was hit by Yankees reliever Jonathan Albaladejo on Monday, did not take issue with Chamberlain.
“That’s just the way the game goes. I don’t know if it was intentional, unintentional or if it was a way to kind of stir up our dugout,” Longoria said. “I don’t have any hatred or negative feelings. It’s just part of the game.”
“Oh, I miss Robin Ventura. Cool guy”
and has to be the best defensive 3b for the Yankees since Nettles (who i never saw play)
Garza should be seeing some sort of fine/suspension coming his way from the MLB offices.
That’s weird Gayle because I believe they reported he had a tear BEFORE they even did the surgery. The report came after the second opinion with Altchek and the subsequent conference between the two docs.
“They can take whatever they want from it from it, but I just kind of got tired of people brushing him back. It’s about time someone made a statement,” Garza said, noting that Longoria was hit by a pitch in the opener of the three-game series on Monday night”
they ran over/killed Cervelli in a spring training game. I really don’t care to hear it
Good thing for Bruney the Boss left before he gave up the two jacks !!!!
vinny-b (keep Montero)
July 30th, 2009 at 8:29 am
“Oh, I miss Robin Ventura. Cool guy”
and has to be the best defensive 3b for the Yankees since Nettles (who i never saw play)
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Yep, smooth as molasses and so v. funny. Can’t beat that combo.
When the roadtrip started, I said we will have the best record in baseball by the end of the roadtrip. Never thought it would happen by the end of the first series.
By the end of the roadtrip, we should be easily 5 games up on Sox and own the best record in baseball alone, relegating Dodgers to second place.
Who would have imagined this when A-Rod was on DL and we were struggling. Also, for all practical purposes, we can ignore the threat from Rays. They could still make it as WC at the cost of Sox.
Bruney’s mechanics are out of whack as easily seen. He’s overthrowing and the ball is not coming out of his hand freely. It’s like he’s aiming the ball.
A good sit down with Girardi and Eiland and watching video of when he threw good might help.
“Who would have imagined this when A-Rod was on DL and we were struggling. Also, for all practical purposes, we can ignore the threat from Rays. They could still make it as WC at the cost of Sox”
unless Theo pulls a rabbit out the hat (which he could), if i’m a betting man, i put my money on Tampa in the playoffs and not Boston.
“Bruney’s mechanics are out of whack as easily seen. He’s overthrowing and the ball is not coming out of his hand freely. It’s like he’s aiming the ball.
A good sit down with Girardi and Eiland and watching video of when he threw good might help”
he needs to be working on this everyday in Scranton, not the Bronx.
right now, Robertson and Melancon are the better pitchers
I still say it’s gonna be Yankees-Boston in the playoffs.
If we go into that series three and a half games up vs. Boston, we only need to win ONE game to remain in first.
One game guys…come on. Just ONE game. I know you can do it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....tml?page=0
“unless Theo pulls a rabbit out the hat (which he could), if i’m a betting man, i put my money on Tampa in the playoffs and not Boston.”
Actully, I think it will be Rangers. Both Sox and Rays will miss the playoffs unless Sox make a couple of major trades, one for offense and one for pitching.
Joba’s fastball was NOT 92 MPH…I don’t care what the YES guns said. Sterling was saying it was at like 95.
“he needs to be working on this everyday in Scranton, not the Bronx.”
Bruney can not be sent to Scranton without losing him in waivers. He does not have any options left.
It could also be Texas as the wild card.
I don’t see Halladay going to either Yankees or RS. I like out team the way it is. Joba and Phil are the future.
Jerry Crasnick did a column about the 9 biggest-hyped prospects of recent times that included Drew Henson
In 2001 he and Nick Johnson were manning the corners for Columbus and I was certain they would both hold down the corners in the Bronx for a lot of years thereafter. Nick contributed to the Yanks in his time there, but man Henson was a real disappointment. One thing that Crasnick’s blurb brought up that I never thought about at the time, was that Henson (Michigan QB) played all his AAA home games in crazy Ohio State territory, and got heckled all the time by Buckeyes fans. Probably not easy for a guy trying to figure out how to hit at the near-major league level.
Link, for those interested:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....ng9/090729
Don’t forget Texas
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07.....182097.htm
Per MLBTR…..
Yankees Eyeing Corey Patterson, Josh Anderson
By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 7:41am CST]
We already knew of the Yankees’ interest in recently-designated outfielder Josh Anderson; Joel Sherman of the New York Post says to add the newly-released Corey Patterson to the list. Sherman says the goal is to find a fill-in for Brett Gardner, who broke his thumb on Saturday. Anderson and Patterson both have speed, at least.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
I’m not impressed with Texas at all. I doubt they go anywhere.
If they could get either of Patterson or Anderson it makes sense, given the fact that they miss Gardner’s speed and defense and you can’t be 100% certain that he’ll be back in 2 weeks. However, in the interim I am definitely in the camp of calling up Austin Jackson and playing him at least in the Chicago series against all their lefties, and using him as a pinch runner/defensive replacement until you find another answer.
You reward him for a strong first 3/4 of a season in AAA and give him a taste of playing for a great Yankees team, and if he contributes his confidence goes up higher and higher. As a temporary solution I think he makes more sense than Duncan/Rodriguez, and I think Ramiro Pena needs more AAA time in the OF before he is called up and asked to play the outfield in the majors.
Yanks are in an enviable position to not have to do anything. That’s the joy of being the hunted. However it’s hard to see Joba starting n the post-season unless they scrap the “limit” thing or give him August off. Either way his situation makes Hughes untradeable and that probably makes Halladay unattainable.
As much as I love the boss, I don’t miss some of his meddling at all – Hughes Joba Montero and Ajax would all be shipped out to Toronto by now.
Based on the MLB track record with Joba and the Yankees, if Garza gets suspended, I wouldn’t be surprised if Joba got the same or more. The explanation will be that he started it. I am not saying that it’s right, but likely to happen. At least it may save Joba a few innings.
I think they will scrap Joba’s innings limit in the playoffs. Then winning becomes the most important thing.
However, they will control his innings in the regular season starting after the BoSox series. They may skip some starts around off-days in September.
what about when Padilla intentionally hit Tex and got nothing, but AJ got suspended?
Larry
Are you in Service or a civilian? If you are a GI, Thanks
Here’s the biggest problem Toronto has with Halladay: in order to get reasonable value for him, they need to get back at least one young Major League player. Also, only contending teams will be in the mix. No contending team wants to remove a valuable young player from a successful mix. If they were looking for prospects only, IMO, he would have already been dealt.
I was thining the same thing, Mark. Garza will get fined 750 bucks, a la Bobby Jenks. Meanwhile, Joba will get 6 days because he ‘went for the head’.
I’d call up Austin Jackson AND Shelley Duncan to balance the club offensively, defensively and on the bench. I would send out Albaladejo and place Aceves on the 15-day to make sure his arm was strong. Carrying eight relievers is not necessary as good as the starting pitching has been. To make room on the 40-man I release/trade Claggett and Cash.
Any objections?
Did Joba get a warning when he airmailed one near Longoria? If Joba never got a warning he should not be fined or suspended because then there was no recognition by the umpires of him “starting” anything. However, Garza hitting Teixeira and then saying in the press that he was “sending a message” is definitely grounds for punishment from Bullet Bob Watson. No way can a guy get by with openly admitting intent to the media, and the Commissioner’s Office is usually acutely aware of those kinds of things.
Boston will clearly mortgage their future by going after Halladay for top prospects.
This still doesn’t address their biggest need – a proven bat.
Mark-You’re right. The reason the deal hasn’t been done is that they want a young MLB ready player. But they’re at the point where Toronto’s hand is forced. We might be able to work out a prospects deal.
86w183-Yes, don’t put Aceves on the DL. We don’t even know if he’s hurt.
Trust Joe G for once and see what he says.
In a trade for Halladay – who to trade Hughes or Joba?
One piece I found in an article was interesting:
And scouts who have seen a lot of Chamberlain say they understand the Yankees’ thinking, partly because they believe Joba is prone to further injury.
“Bad body, violent delivery, stiff front leg,” one scout said. “He’s got great stuff, but I’d try to protect him too because he’s had leg and arm injuries in the past, and he’s bound to get hurt again.”
86w183, I think calling up Jackson and Shelley is okay but I don’t think they will do it. They seem set with just trimming one of the relievers to add a bat, and Girardi makes it seem like Aceves is not that far away from being ready to pitch again.
That said, I also think they can avoid DFA’ing the two guys (Cash and Claggett) you mentioned. If I remember correctly Nady and Wang are still on the 15-day DL, which means hypothetically they could open up 2 40-man spots by transferring them to the 60-day DL. If Nady has already been moved to the 60, though, then out of the two I would DFA Cash, since Cervelli has leapfrogged him as Catcher #3.
I do like your idea, though, because it seems like Aceves could use the extra rest, and if Cashman can’t land a starter Ace is the next best candidate should Mitre get tattooed or one of the SP’s gets hurt. DL’ing him lets them stretch him out during his rehab assignment, plus they could backdate it to speed up the process somewhat.
Joba was not warned at all, and he pitched grrrreeeeattttt !
sunny-Yes, I’ve heard the stuff from the scouts. I’m thinking bull.
At this point, if you want to go for the kill this year, you trade Hughes. He has had a less sucessful ML career overall (so far, of course, but that’s what we have to go on) and he’s in the bullpen, which would not disrupt our team as much as taking out a starting pitcher.
Nice to read about George’s visit and the player reactions.
Safe travels Pete. I was delayed for 4 hours last night trying to get home from Ft. Lauderdale.
Kevin Cash is out for the year, so getting rid of him wouldn’t really matter much anyway
Personally, I think that the only way Halladay gets dealt now is in a panic move. I don’t think the Yanks will pay what Tor is asking. If nobody does, I don’t think the price comes down, rather, Toronto says OK we’ll wait for the Hot Stove. The only contender in panic mode right now is Boston, Tampa has no history of any kind of potentially big money deal like this. A loss for Boston tonight might just push them over the edge. If they do get Halladay, hopefully they are made to pay very dearly, and truly do mortgage the future. If they get him for the current version of Casey Fossum, however, I will be apoplectic!
Yankess are going to get Halladay and not have to give up Joba ( Hughes will be the centerpiece )….then think of this : @ Toronto, pitching for the Yankees will be Halladay then Andy. Keeping Joba’s innings limit in mind, he gets pushed to the 1st game of the Boston series and this is how we “roll” against them: Joba, AJ, CC & Doc !!!….so SWEET….and we SWEEP to put a major hurtin’ on them AND get back to an almost palatable 4-8 against them this year…..BOOK IT, DAN-O !!!
“One piece I found in an article was interesting:
And scouts who have seen a lot of Chamberlain say they understand the Yankees’ thinking, partly because they believe Joba is prone to further injury”
i agree. If you have to trade one, it is definitely Joba
Definitely one of your best “airport” pieces, Pete. Thanks for always working so hard for us!!
When is the NY press going to start the drum beat for Derek Jeter’s MVP candidacy. Anyone who watches this team every day clearly sees that he is what drives the team that currently has the best record in baseball. Anyone who follows traditional stats can see what he has done as the preeminent leadoff hitter in the game today. And anyone who follows more modern advanced offensive metrics (and defensive metrics) can see that he is the most valuable player on the best team.
Pedroia won an MVP because RSN trumpeted his candidacy even though the merits of his case were debatable. Jeter, on the other hand, is standing head and shoulders above all other candidates right now and it is never too early to start making this point to the people who vote (the writers) and the people with influence the vote (their readers).
i wouldnt be so sure that the socks wont upgrade thier offense in a halladay trade. rolen, wells and rios are there and surely available in a halladay trade and all make over $10M next year. rolen makes the most sense b/c he only has next year on his contract although the teams will fight over who pays his $4M bonus. if boston goes for halladay, just like the phils did, they will ask for or take a bat off toronto’s hands.
I don’t get why the Yanks just sit on the bench after Teix is intentionally hit? Remember the bench clearing brawl after Tino got plunked?
wow. great news on the big stein. i hope he makes it to new york.
“Friendly? Hope Ed Whitson didn’t read that.” LOL!
Jeter is not head and shoulders above other candidates. What about Morneau? Mauer? Tex?
It’s great we’re having this discussion but I doubt Jeter wins MVP. It should be Morneau.
iv heard gold glove and mvp mentioned regarding jeter on YES broadcasts and on wfan in the past few days, so id say the drumbeat has already begun.
Aceves has a “tired arm” so why not rest it for two weeks. He’s already missed four games so it would only be a week and a half.
Three guys in the pen haven’t pitched in three games and the other five have made one appearance each.
If Aceves is now good to go after three days off then you could send Melancon back down for more regular work and still be in good shape with a six man bullpen.
Either way they need an OF, ideally one who excels defensively and his RH.
Jeter is having a terrific season, no doubt, but I think Mauer would still win the MVP award
“I don’t get why the Yanks just sit on the bench after Teix is intentionally hit? Remember the bench clearing brawl after Tino got plunked?”
Different emotional situation, though. Bernie had just destroyed a Benitez pitch into the upper deck in RF to give the Yankees the lead in that game, and on top of that it was the 2nd time that season that Benitez had intentionally plunked Tino. Benitez also hurt Tino with that bean ball because it was about 97 and it hit a nerve up in his back that slowed him down a bit afterwards.
Garza “sending a message” wasn’t as blatant and actually looks worse now after the fact because he talked about it to the press. If he just kept his mouth shut and said the ball slipped out, it would be much less of an issue. It will be interesting the next time the Yankees/Rays meet, but no need for a brawl last night.
Why do people think Joba’s injury prone? He had a brief bout of shoulder tendinits and got back to pitching in a month. That’s it.
Our SP is on a nice run, but Mitre is still in our starting satff, and Pettite is still gonna throw a couple of clunkers. If you don’t need to put Ace on the DL, don’t.
AGAIN,
I agree… shoulder tendinitis is not a big deal at all
I know a lot of people are clamouring for Jackson to be called up, but I don’t expect to see him until the roster expands to 40 men.
Also, Duncan is deserving of a call up, IMO. He’s had a strong season in Scranton and has been a real pleasure to watch down here. I know Jackson is the future, not Duncan, but let Jackson continue to develop if that’s the case.
I do hope Jeter wins a gold glove.
Potentially we could have three gold gloves in our infield with Tex (who will win), Cano (maybe, doubt it), and Jeter (maybe, doubt it).
phillip the third
July 30th, 2009 at 9:13 am
i wouldnt be so sure that the socks wont upgrade thier offense in a halladay trade. rolen, wells and rios are there and surely available in a halladay trade and all make over $10M next year. rolen makes the most sense b/c he only has next year on his contract although the teams will fight over who pays his $4M bonus. if boston goes for halladay, just like the phils did, they will ask for or take a bat off toronto’s hands.
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For any move the RS make to add a bat they will have to make a counter move to make room in the line up.
If they get Rolen what to do with Lowell. If you DH him then what to do with Ortiz.
It isn’t as simple as adding a bat.
Lowell becomes a bench player if the Sox add a bat. Simple.
Nice to see that the boss saw the players. Even if you hated some of the methods he used to win, he still cared about winning. Everyone just hates it when the Yankees spends millions of dollars on players, but honestly, it’s his money and he can used it anyway he wants to.
As for the upcoming series against Boston, the Yankees have to at least win one game. I don’t know what it is with all these teams like the Angels and Red Sox and why they can’t beat them,but as long as they beat all the others teams, thats all that matters.
“Why do people think Joba’s injury prone? He had a brief bout of shoulder tendinits and got back to pitching in a month. That’s it”
his injury history dates back to college. It is why teams passed on him in the draft, and he fell to NYY in the supplemental round.
personally, am in favor of keeping all our players. However similar to Wang in the past, Joba concerns me physically
ajax makes the most sense until gardner gets back. right now our b/u CF is nick swisher. melky can back up either corner but you need another CF.
also, this clubhouse is together and focused and the team is humming, for ajax to come up and be in that atmosphere for a week and a half can only help him.
“Lowell becomes a bench player if the Sox add a bat. Simple.”
Even with his bad hip Lowell is having just as good a year as Rolen and a better year than Wells and Rios. He wouldn’t be a bench player
vinny-I’ve ehard that mentioned. But Joba has had virtually no injury trouble in the majors. Wang had a lot. I don’t see what we have to be concerned with yet. There have been no problems to this point.
Then you split time with Lowell and Ortiz at DH.
hate to sound like a broken record, but how freaking big was the Tex signing? to know if we hadn’t gotten him the sox would have takes it to a whole other level. the dude is a beast.
ehard is heard.
Tex is the best FA singing of the decade IMO.
Not to be a thorn in the side – but Tampa’s upcoming schedule has not changed, nor has the Yankees’ upcoming schedule changed.
It is wonderful that the Yankees took 2 of 3. But going forward, everything that was discussed about Tampa having all those home games and the Yankees going to the west coast, and the teams that each has to play in September -none of that has changed.
I don’t think Tampa is out of the mix at all. Yes, there’s a cushion there now for the Yankees, but with 2 months and 61 games left, it’s not that huge a cushion.
I just don’t like counting chickens before they’re hatched.
Not trying to be a spoil sport.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 30th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Lowell becomes a bench player if the Sox add a bat. Simple.
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Are they going to put their most productive bat on the bench?
Not sure that would be the best move.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN-
I will be shocked if Tex doesn’t win a Gold Glove.
yanks will sweep boston out of the pennant race next series.
Doreen-You’re right. Absolutely.
Tampa is not done yet. Not at all.
innocent question:
does NYY need Halladay to get past the Angels in the playoffs ?
WAIT A MINUTE!!! I am in Chicago for training this week – can I still get tickets to tonight’s game – that would be nuts!
First place and tied for the best record in MLB is impressive. Even more so when you consider the NYY have done it without 3 key components of their staff. CMW, Marte and Bruney were all supposed to be important contibutors. Wang as the #2 SP and Bruney & Marte as co-8th inning guys. They’ve done virtually nothing to help the team, although it’s not their fault they’ve been injured, that kind of thing happens. It is a credit to Joe and his crew for navigating the team through these rough waters. It is also a credit to Coke, Hughes and Aceves, all of whom have stepped up. Ace has done just about everything. Hughes helped out in the rotation and now is lights out in the pen, and Coke, who was supposed to be the secondary lefty is now the only LHP in the pen. It is also worth nothing all this help has come from within. Congrats to the team and even though there is a long way to go I think this will be a year all Yankee fans will be proud of.
Jeter’s WAR is 4.4 to Morneau’s 3.6 and he plays a more demanding position. There’s a better argument for Mauer, but the Twins are also likely to finish 3rd, which, for better or worse, the voters always take into consideration.
Tex is almost definitely going to win a gold glove. He’s the best defensive first baseman I’ve ever seen and I’ve seen Donnie and Tino just like the rest of us.
If we keep this 3.5 game lead we just need to win ONE game from Boston to stay in first. One.
Is that too much to ask?
“Tampa will trade Crawford at the end of the season”
per Peter Gammons on Mike & Mike
I’m surprised Jeet’s WAR is that much higher than Morneau’s. But he won’t wn MVP. He doesn’t have the impressive stats like HR’s and RBI’s.
If it’s going to be a Yankee, I’m thinking Tex. But I still say either Mauer or Morneau.
Glad Joba dominated last night and now has reclaimed ‘untouchable’status.
He would’ve become nothing more than an ‘F’ prospect had he bombed in that game.
Well, according to Yankees fans anyways.
lotsa baseball to be played before mvp voting.
Typo on 9:31 post: “nothing” should be noting as in worth noting that all this help has come from within.
looks like my predicted headline from yesterday was right on…”Joba Making His Case to Stay with Yankees!”
Clearly the Yankees are not counting on Hirsh to pitch for the major league club. That was a move strictly for SWB so they could stop pitching a reliever every 5th day. This, and Joe’s consistent comments about being worried about pitching depth lead me to believe more dealings for a pitcher (starting or relieving) are in the works.
I like the idea of filling in for Gardner with Patterson or Anderson. We can win without Gardner or a Gardner-like substitute but it causes headaches for opposing teams having a guy that is almost guaranteed to steal on first base and just adds another element to our team. Plus the defensive sub situation is a big plus. On top of that, either of these guys should be really cheap and AJax can continue with his development in AAA.
The only deal the Sox could make that worries me is picking up Halladay. If they pick up a bat like Martinez or Gonzalez, whenever those guys play they’ll be replacing Youk, Lowell, Tek or Ortiz, and while they would be an improvement in most situations, it’s only a marginal improvement. Plus adding one of those bats will limit what they can do as far as pitching, and they really need to do something.
Finally, great job on another series win! Winning series is the name of the game!
“He would’ve become nothing more than an ‘F’ prospect had he bombed in that game.
Well, according to Yankees fans anyways”
his bags would have been packed and shipped off to Toronto for Halladay, before midnight last night
There is nothing simple about Theo having to go to RS ownership to explain why a $15M man is riding the bench when the player replacing him may not even be as good. Not only that, sitting one of your most productive bats is not the way to add a bat.
Boston is weak offensively b/c a very expensive player(Drew) is under-performing, two of their better hitters(Bay and Youkilis) are in extended slumps, and Ortiz is a shadow of his former self. If they didn’t send him packing before, I don’t think they will do it now.
Tampa certainily will want to keep Crawford, but they’ll have to jettison some talent in order to keep him because of their budget. Certainly they’ll pick up the option, but they may try to trade him afterwards.
Rishi-
Check ticketmaster or stubhub. I am sure there are tickets out there
Jeter’s WAR is higher than Morneau’s because of positional adjustment.
Per Confessions of She-Fan: Creepy lookalike time. Tex looks EXACTLY like MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.
http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/
Mark next Tuesday and Wednesday on the calendar. Boston goes to Tropicana Field for 2 critical games with bad blood between both teams. The Rays have a good chance to put 2 nails in Boston’s coffin and help themselves in the process.
Wait Till -
I saw that! Isn’t that the strangest thing? They could be brother and sister.
It will be interesting the next time the Yankees/Rays meet, but no need for a brawl last night.
Imagine that. The drunk threw over Longoria’s head and you think that your pitchers have a right to hit somebody because Garza wanted to protect his teamate? Some nerve I tell you.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/
Good waiters get good tips.
By the way, the Sux are 3-7 in their last 10 games. That is pretty dismal. It’s probably also known as a basic slump. I think we all know the Sux aren’t that bad of a team. That said, what a delight to watch them lose the way they did the last two games! Thank you Suxers!!!
Also, last night I found the Predictions list we made in April and posted it. I will post it again in a few minutes and if you aren’t part of it and want to be I will add you on. In fairness though, you will have to be asterisked since it is so late in the season.
Finally, elated to see that the Dodgers lost their game last night. As someone who stopped paying dues to the St. Joe fan club a while ago and definitely decided his saint status was entirely misplaced once his tell-all book came out, I am thrilled to see his team struggle. I really tired of hearing his devotees talk about how the Yankees “would be in first place right now” if he were still the manager and how Girardi clouldn’t hold a candle to Torre. Well give me a manager who gets his team into first with one of his top pitchers down (and now definitely out), one of his best hitters out (Arod when he was), and both of his catchers out for an extended period of time, I’ll take that guy every day of the week and twice of Sundays.
WAR, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!
how is tampa not “done”?
The yankees are at 62-39 with 61 games to play. If we play .500 baseball for the rest of the year, that puts us at 92 wins. 38-23 puts us at 100 wins. We are 49-24 since the return of A-Rod. That’s 10 games BETTER than a 100 win pace.
Spin it however you want, schedule matters not. Tampa’s season is now the Wildcard or nothing.
Garza better get suspended, he is a punk……
oh, and who else thinks the yankees came out flat on tuesday because they were all hungover from a-rod’s birthday. this guy does.
Tex and Maddow could be the same person.
Meanwhile, I just learned something. The Pittsburgh Pirates had Punsxutawney Phil throw the first pitch at a baseball game…on September 19 of 2004.
I kid you not.
I would rather see shelly called up instead of Patterson!
“Glad Joba dominated last night and now has reclaimed ‘untouchable’status. ”
God I hope so – I just don’t see how it helps the yanks much if we trade one dominant starter for another dominant starter with a resume. Joba really has no ceiling. Hughes is flashing his brilliance too and is an integral part of this team now. I don’t trade him either.
Anyone in the minors is fair game though – Montero included.
Garza did nothing wrong.
But what up with calling Joba the drunk?
And no Tampa Bay is not done. They get on a run, Yanks get into a slump, and anything can happen. I doubt anything happens. But it’s possible.
it would be foolish to count out Tampa or Boston at this point in the season and fortunately Joe and the rest of the Yankees knows this, whether the fans feel that way or not. But you can’t worry about the rear-view mirror, only what you can controll which is winning series. Thankfully, the Yankees understand this as well.
I’m continuously please with the ability we have had to brush off losses after the all star break and keep them from turning into losing streaks…
If I had to gripe about one thing yesterday it would be pitching Joba in the 8th while we have an innings limit staring us in the face…but after seeing Bruney’s outing, I understand the motivation there.
Montero shouldn’t be fair game. Like Joba, he has an incredibly high ceiling.
“WAR, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!”
Very funny but honestly some people put stock in it. The only problem I have is that the most accessible version of WAR is from fangraphs and it’s partly based on UZR which I’m quickly losing faith in.
Yeah Christina25, classy as always–it’s one thing to “protect your teammate” and another thing to openly call out the Yankees’ pitching staff in the papers. I guess name-calling is all you have left now as the Yankees continue to pull away from your poor Sawks. I’m sure “the drunk” will have plenty of pleasentries to exchange with your beloved boys when he faces them next week, and likewise I’m sure the Sox’s pitchers are so classy and above hitting players-after all they are America’s Team, aren’t they?
The more you think about this the more it has to be that by September Joba and Hughes are going to swap out. I know it sounds crazy because of how well they are both doing in their current roles, but unless they don’t care about building/maintaining their innings this is the only move. Joba’s going to hit his max at this pace in a month and Hughes won’t be at 130 meaning he will be in worse shape next year than Joba is this year.
The good news is we know what we have with Joba in the 8th and now Hughes’s confidence is sky high, so he should be able to transition back to a starter.
Unless they make a move for a solid starter this will happen, write it down!
hokiehill, an innings limit is not nearly as important as tracking his pitch counts. he can throw 100 pitches in 5 innings or 8 innings and it puts the same wear on his arm.
In fact, I’d trade one of Joba or Hughes. I would not trade Montero.
I used to dislike UZR, but I’ve become more convinced. So Patrick, is there a direct reason to dislike it?
In fact, I’d trade one of Joba or Hughes. I would not trade Montero.
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This is why you are not in charge of anything.
But what up with calling Joba the drunk?
He is a drunk. He doesnt seem to care if somebody gets hurt by his actions. He is a headhunter and a piece of crap. I wish nothing but misery to him.
First let me start off w/ saying if Bam Bam Duncan is called up then there is some serious ass kissing going on. Corey Patterson and Josh Anderson would be better options, heck if we have to trade a player to pick up Anderson it sould be Bam Bam.
Ajax needs to stay down until September.
“hokiehill, an innings limit is not nearly as important as tracking his pitch counts. he can throw 100 pitches in 5 innings or 8 innings and it puts the same wear on his arm.”
So is potentially losing Joba as a starter down the road coming from an innings limit, a pitch count limit, or some combination of both? If the Yankees are counting pitches for their determination I get the move but everything they’ve said has been about “innings limits.” It makes more sense to go by pitches as Joba clearly works harder in those 4-1/2 inning stinkers than he does in the 7-8 inning games he’s been having since the break. Anyway, my gripe was “if i had to complain about something,” and I completely understand the motivation was winning the game.
“Spin it however you want, schedule matters not. Tampa’s season is now the Wildcard or nothing.”
You are playing a dangerous game my friend. Tampa, Boston and New York are all still in the division race. Any of those teams could still win it.
Also if you want to talk about who has the hardest schedule for the second half, check out the post on Replacment Level – http://www.replacementlevel.com/index.php/P7/ about half way down the page.
As of July 20 the Yanks and Boston have essentially the same schedule while Tampa’s schedule is one game harder. Basically he concludes that the head to head matchups going forward will decide the division.
Keep in mind that this is from July 20 and forward.
If the Yankees trade for Halladay, I’m not sure at this point if I’d prefer Joba or Phil staying. I feel like we can nab Halladay if we center a deal on either. Joba + Jackson or Hughes + Jackson is far more than Boston or the LAD can offer.
Guess what Andrew? The current Red Sox pitchers never threw over the Yankee players heads did they?
“Steinbrenner has a bad knee that he refuses to get operated on”
that’s actually pretty smart: going under the knife at his age could very well be the end for him.
Another team bites the dust in the Halladay sweepstakes:
“SI_JonHeyman#dodgers decline jays’ request for halladay and are said to be “moving on.” next up: o’s closer sherrill”
I assume this is because Ricciardi wanted either Billingsley or Kershaw for Halladay.
“In fact, I’d trade one of Joba or Hughes. I would not trade Montero.”
I wouldn’t trade either.
Annd Doc isn’t ending up in Boston unless Theo puts Youk, Pedroia or Lester in that Bucholz package w/ Casey Kelly, Ryan Westmoreland and Daniel Bard.
Tom B-Which is why I’m not GM?
You’re right, you are. I’m sorry I questioned you. Obviously, what you say has to be more valuable than wht I do because you know exactly how the Yankees value their prospects and players.
Christina25-Well, I’m sure Joba offers the same to you then. Nothing I could answer to that. Go in peace. Shalom.
Someone must have wizzed in Christina’s wheaties this morning.
Christina25
Hey looks its Jon Henry’s 29 year old wife
It’s fun talking to a a rude Red Sox troll when we’re in first. It’s like whatever she says doesn’t mean anything!
“First let me start off w/ saying if Bam Bam Duncan is called up then there is some serious ass kissing going on. Corey Patterson and Josh Anderson would be better options, heck if we have to trade a player to pick up Anderson it sould be Bam Bam. ”
Bam Bam may be a better bat, although history and a curveball would suggest differently. Plus, Joe’s biggest concern with losing Gardner was his abilities as a defensive replacement and the loss of the speed element from the roster. Duncan fixes neither of these things.
“The good news is we know what we have with Joba in the 8th and now Hughes’s confidence is sky high, so he should be able to transition back to a starter.
Unless they make a move for a solid starter this will happen, write it down!”
That won’t happen this week, this month, next month, or 2 months from now. The next time you see the name “Phil Hughes” and “starting rotation” will be in March 2010. You can write that down
Right Christina25 Josh Beckett is the model pitcher full of class and dignity, he has never intentionally hit any member of the Yankees or any other team for any reason. Also you know, it’s not like Brad Penny threw at anyone in his one start against the Yankees this year, after all he was such a smart acquisition by your boy genius GM–not like he would get called out by Joe G. as the punk that he is after his appearance against the Yankees.
During last night’s game Kay reiterated that Joe told him, regardless of how Joba is pitching, when his IP limit is up it’s up. You have to figure that is probably sometime around the beginning of Sept. I’d like to see PH in the rotation as much as anyone but no way that happens unless the NYY get a proven lights out 8th inning guy to replace him. Bruney can’t be counted on and Ace and Coke, although good are not the dominating swing and miss type that PH is. Even if the NYY get someone and PH goes back to SP, it’s only for about a month. Is it really worth doing for one month ? May be easier to just acquire a SP.
just finished reading about the renewed potential red sox yankee battle over halladay.
i don’t like roy halladay.
nothing to do with his pitching.
on first look i just don’t like the guy.
he looks like he’s the kind of guy who kicks dogs and slams doors in kids faces waiting for autographs( of course none of this is probably true because i know nothing about the guy)
but on arrogant looks alone he’d be a perfect guy to hate on the other side .
so the red sox would have a big bad hired gun on the other side.
it will give the yankees something to rally the team around.
i hope the red sox get him to light a fire under the yankees.
as good as they are this year, they can be better.
plus if cashman stands any chance of ever getting my respect he needs to put his money where his mouth is and develop the young players he’s been pushing. he already burned a young player in wang. let’s see if he can do any better with joba, hughes, montero, etc
buying a get out of jail free card all the time is getting old with cashman.
The reason I’s trade one of Joba pr Hughes is because I look at them as comparable prospects; you could trade one and keep the other.
Montero however is the type of bat GM’s dream of getting in their systems. We don’t have another Montero.
I just want Slam Duncan up because my son just got a baseball signed by him in Columbus last week. By the way Jackson was in LF that game, and Curtis in CF, anyone know why?
“Guess what Andrew? The current Red Sox pitchers never threw over the Yankee players heads did they?”
No, but they’ve only been hitting the Yankees for the past 12 years with no retaliation. This is the first year the Yankees actually pitched inside to really anybody in about 20 years.
Of course the Rays have a chance to still win the division. But if the Yanks lose an 8 game loss column lead with 61 to play then something went horribly, horribly wrong.
The yanks need to just keep winning series. Put more distance between themselves and the Sox/Rangers.
“I used to dislike UZR, but I’ve become more convinced. So Patrick, is there a direct reason to dislike it?”
CB has made some more informative posts on the subject over the last few days but I’m starting to dislike it simply because of how it measures a few Yankee players.
For example, Teixeira is -0.6 UZR, Cano is only 0.7 UZR and Swisher is -3.2 UZR.
Tex and Cano are playing gold glove defense this year and UZR doesn’t reflect that. CB I think mentioned that UZR doesn’t account for throws to first base. Tex is a master at picking up bad throws and that just doesn’t show in this stat.
Swisher’s UZR has regulated a bit recently but the fact is, he’s played a bad RF this year. He has pretty good range but he makes a lot of dumb mistakes and I don’t think that’s very apparent just by looking at the stat.
ZR, RZR, UZR are all versions of the same thing yet they get different results, I’m not really sure which ones are correct.
I think when the fielding bible comes out after the year we can get a better statistical representation of how our fielders did.
I’m surprised randy l. I thought Cashman did a tremendous job this year.
2007, for both the Yankees and the Mets, reminds me exactly why I will not be opening any champagne until it’s mathematically impossible for the Yankees not to make the playoffs.
Heard last night on ESPN radio that Boston is now offering Lester, Bucholtz, and two prospects for Halladay…anyone else hear this????
“Someone must have wizzed in Christina’s wheaties this morning.”
More likely she’s just angry that her team is 3.5 games out of first
“Guess what Andrew? The current Red Sox pitchers never threw over the Yankee players heads did they?”
HAHAHAHA, EPIC fail! I’m sorry, I usually don’t like being mean or piling on people, but Christina25 is striking out miserably this morning. The funny thing is, Joba threw that ball at Longoria who reacted as if nothing happened, yet Christina who was probably several states away reacts like her first born child was killed by Joba last night.
“Bam Bam may be a better bat, although history and a curveball would suggest differently. Plus, Joe’s biggest concern with losing Gardner was his abilities as a defensive replacement and the loss of the speed element from the roster. Duncan fixes neither of these things.”
Precisely. He should be traded if anything, good kid doesn’t really do much more than Johnny Gomes or Wily Mo at the ML level.
Patrick-UZR is about range, not really all fielding.
I can’t beleive it rates Tex so low. It’s wrong about that. Tex has incredible range. Even Steve Goldman of the pinstripedbible, who is the biggest stathead I’ve ever seen, is convinced of his range. He was forced to admit that UZR is wrong about him. Same with Cano.
You’re right, it’s not perfect come to think of it.
“Heard last night on ESPN radio that Boston is now offering Lester, Bucholtz, and two prospects for Halladay…anyone else hear this????”
Let this be true please.
“Heard last night on ESPN radio that Boston is now offering Lester, Bucholtz, and two prospects for Halladay…anyone else hear this????”
Frankly, I hope they make that trade. That’s not helping their team out at all. They have no pitching outside of their #1 and #2 starter’s anyway. I dont’ care if it’s Beckett/Lester or Beckett/Halladay
Pat M -
From last night, Alfonso was hit to lead off the game, but it was ruled a foul ball. He then got out. Jeter was then hit actually called a HBP.
It was also at Yankee Stadium.
“The reason I’s trade one of Joba pr Hughes is because I look at them as comparable prospects; you could trade one and keep the other.”
Unless we are getting back someone like Tim Lincecum or Felix Hernandez I wouldn’t trade either of them.
I’d pray for Bard and Kelly in that same deal too. If that happens the Yankees should put a red carpet for Doc to Boston.
“Heard last night on ESPN radio that Boston is now offering Lester, Bucholtz, and two prospects for Halladay…anyone else hear this????”
now that is totally fair to the Yanks, if JP asked for Joba and Hughes then they should definitely aske for Lester from the Sox.
hokiehill, if they were really… truely concerned with his innings limit they would have started skipping starts already. he has, by the schedule, roughly 12 starts left, and only 2 easily skippable starts with off days. if you look at just the innings limit (i know i said thats not the determining factor but hear me out) he’s thrown 110 innings this season(at 16.8 pitches/inning), which leaves him 50 innings to spread over 10 starts, and that only gets us tot he end of the regular season! who pitches game3 in the playoffs then? couple in the fact that we dont have a real 5th starter right now and we have a serious problem.
we either get a starter by saturday, or we start pulling joba in the 5th inning regardless of his pitch count. this seems counter-productive, but what are our other options. it’s realistically too late to pull hughes from the pen and put joba in it. only thing i can think of is to keep aceves stretched and have joba go 4-5 innings and then bring aceves in for 3-4.
that or the yankee brass says screw it and just lets joba pitch until the end of the playoffs… and deal with the consequences later.
“Heard last night on ESPN radio that Boston is now offering Lester, Bucholtz, and two prospects for Halladay…anyone else hear this????”
i don’t believe this report
“Patrick-UZR is about range, not really all fielding. ”
I know it’s about range but a lot of people quote it and make a blanket statement on a player’s fielding ability based solely on UZR.
I think it’s useful but I’m starting to question it based on how it rates players I’ve been watching all year.
I tend to trust it for players that have huge zones like SS or CF and before the year I’d say 2B but I just don’t understand how Cano’s UZR can be so low.
Patrick-I know you wouldn’t, and that’s fair. I was just responding to Tom B’s snarky comment.
If the Yankees got Doc wouldn’t you guys be kinda embarrassed. I mean come on. How many big names does it take to win a championship. I think it would mean a lot more to do it with what we have. The whole country would be up in arms if we steal another big name. Would be bad for baseball IMO.
From the Toronto Sun,paper: Halladay FYI
http://torontosun.com/sports/
tampas chances come down to how they do against the yankees in the (7?) games they have left.
was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?
Why on earth would the Red Sox give up Lester in a Halladay deal? Wouldn’t Halladay then simply be taking Lester’s place? Lester is Boston’s most effective starter. That makes little sense.
That ESPN rumor isn’t even on MLBtraderumors yet.
In regards to Yankee pitchers and Red Sox pitchers throwing at the other team, the NYY have been hit significantly more over the past decade. This year happens to be different, not because Yankee pitchers are pitching inside.
It’s because our team has some wildness and lack of control occasionally. My favorite are the 0-2 and 1-2 HBP. Albalaloser hit the Ray because of complete and total wildness/ineptitude, not pitching inside or intent.
I’ve said for a while, with Matt Garza’s scumbag attitude, he belongs on the Red Sox. Now, this just confirms it.
If the Jays had been offered Lester and Buccholz for Halladay the deal would already be done. That report is just pure speculation that probably got brought up after the Sox lost.
I thought Beckett was Boston’s most effective starter?
Jeter is having a great year, but Tex is the MVP. Game after game he makes great plays in the field and he has delivered several key hits.
“If the Yankees got Doc wouldn’t you guys be kinda embarrassed”
I wouldn’t be. He would be replacing Wang
Christina25
July 30th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Guess what Andrew? The current Red Sox pitchers never threw over the Yankee players heads did they?
Christina25
July 30th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Guess what Andrew? The current Red Sox pitchers never threw over the Yankee players heads did they?
Ham Fighters-I appreciate the Animal House quote. Classic movie.
Guys, you can’t trust anything the Yankees say about Joba’s inning limit. They will never make something like that public.
Chances are, they are counting pitches, pitches under stress, etc. Not innings.
We already know that they have their own rankings for well hit balls, good at-bats, good defense, etc. I don’t think it’s a stretch to think that they get down to the nitty gritty of each pitch Joba throws.
The bottom line is, if the Yankees make the playoffs Joba will most likely be the #3 starter. If they can rest him during the season and keep him sharp for that then that’s all I care about.
JCPD
July 30th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Christina25
July 30th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Guess what Andrew? The current Red Sox pitchers never threw over the Yankee players heads did they?
Nope, just at Angels heads!!!!
I could see Toronto demanding that package, but no way does Boston offer that.
It would make no sense for the Sox to trade Lester for Halladay. They would be trading one very good pitcher for a better one. But they would still be short in the pitching department. Trading for Halladay only works if they keep Beckett and Lester.
So like others have said, I doubt the report is accurate.
Jon Lester is not going to be traded.
Congrats on a great series in the Trop. Last night’s game was a statement game IMO.
-dennis
If the Yankees got Doc wouldn’t you guys be kinda embarrassed. I mean come on. How many big names does it take to win a championship. I think it would mean a lot more to do it with what we have. The whole country would be up in arms if we steal another big name. Would be bad for baseball IMO.
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Nope .. and we DON”T steal anybody ! . Stop crying
Longoria who reacted as if nothing happened
Really? Did you watch the same thing I did? Longoria gave him dirty looks more than once. Never mind what he said. You my friend dont know what you are talking about. Next time pay attention to the body language. You will learn alot about somebody’s feelings if you watch their body language.
If we had Wang I wouldn’t be emarassed. It’s a business and the Yankees make the most revenue so they have the most to burn. Nothing embarassing about it.
Terry from NH -
What part of NH are ya in? Not too many of us around here!
“Why on earth would the Red Sox give up Lester in a Halladay deal? Wouldn’t Halladay then simply be taking Lester’s place? Lester is Boston’s most effective starter. That makes little sense.”
It makes about as much sense as the Yankees giving up Joba or Hughes and that has been talked about nonstop.
The reality is neither will happen. I highly highly doubt Halladay goes to the Yankees OR the Sox
Hahahaha the Red Sox are not in first and Christina25 can’t stand it.
The biggest problem I have with Christina25, unless I misunderstood her intent or she was unclear in her prose, is her claiming to be a Yankee fan in one of her posts last night.
“As a Yanks fan who now lives 3 miles from fenway, The conversations at work have been interesting since the break.”
No Yankee fan refers to Joba as “the drunk”. Plus she has been entirely clear in the past that she is a Sux fan on a Yankee forum and some posters here have welcomed her with open arms despite her rooting interest.
Unless you revise what you said above Christina or tell me I misread it and you meant to say something else, then I am calling you out as a total liar and that makes you definitely puke material, especially because your raggedy butt doesn’t even belong here in the first place with all of your trash talk.
MO
“Jeter is having a great year, but Tex is the MVP. Game after game he makes great plays in the field and he has delivered several key hits.”
You meant that Tex is the MVP of the team, right? No way Tex is MVP of the league
Tom B, I agree pulling him after the 5th in every start seems counter-productive…pulling him after 7 last night and in his last start seems drastically less counter-productive which is where my original questioning comes from. If innings are truly what the team is tracking, then that’s 2 innings he could have back. It’s not a big problem I have with Joe or anything like that, but I just find it curious that the Yankees continue to talk about his innings limit, yet they pitch him into the 8th inning two starts in a row. the statements and actions just don’t jive with one another.
Guess what Andrew? The current Red Sox pitchers never threw over the Yankee players heads did they?
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I’m sure it hurt you deeply when Pedro threw at players all day long. It’s part of the game, deal with it.
FYI I have close contacts with the brother of a Red Sox pitcher. I have it on pretty damn good authority that a certain pitcher on the Sox has been instructed to not only throw at A-Rod but Jeter too on more than one occasion.
“Really? Did you watch the same thing I did? ”
You see what you want to see. And Yankee fans see what THEY want to see. Our biases greatly influence things like this.
JCPD,
There was a different situation with Beckett. Joba does it for fun because he feels like it. See all this drinking he did destroyed his brain cells and he has no empathy.
Vinny…
Wang shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence with Doc.
Christina25, no comment on the Red Sox’s native choir boys Josh Beckett and Brad Penny? Have they been put up for sainthood in Boston yet for how noble they are in never throwing at opposing players?
Great job with that astute “body language” observation. Are you one of those “body language experts” that goes on television to tell me what people are thinking when you, in reality, have no idea and are just wildly speculating? If so, you are doing a bang-up job.
^^^ sorry that’s me, I’m posting from work and fat fingered my own name
This debate about Joba is why an innings limit is stupid. It should just be a season long pitch count.
“If the Yankees got Doc wouldn’t you guys be kinda embarrassed. I mean come on. How many big names does it take to win a championship. I think it would mean a lot more to do it with what we have. The whole country would be up in arms if we steal another big name. Would be bad for baseball IMO”
Would I be embarrassed? Absolutely not. I want to win a championship. The Yankees cant make moves based on whether or not they are going to be liked or disliked. Who cares if the country is up in arms??
If we have the money and utilities to do so, then DO IT. Everyone is going to hate the Yankees no matter what. Thats the beauty of being one of us, an illustrious Yankee Fan.
I couldn’t care less what anything thinks of it. If it get me a championship, I will lie, steal, cheat, maim, kill and pillage.
That being said, I do NOT want to give up Joba or Hughes.
Hey guess what? What Christina25 thinks about Joba deosn’t matter because he won the game and we’re in first place.
Guys just stop responding to Christina, she’s trolling everyone here and doing a great job at it.
“Next time pay attention to the body language. You will learn alot about somebody’s feelings if you watch their body language.”
What’s that say about Papelbon’s feelings then? Between his body language, pursed lips, odd looking scowl and constant screaming, I think he needs a hug or some prozac
You see what you want to see.
Come on. I’m not the only one who thinks that. Even the ESPN announcer said that Longoria was giving him looks while walking away. Let me tell you. A lot of players hate Joba. That is a fact.
“Wang shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence with Doc”
is why i didn’t say injured-wang
: )
“If the Yankees got Doc wouldn’t you guys be kinda embarrassed. I mean come on. How many big names does it take to win a championship.”
No, the only thing I have a problem w/ is trading players who have performed in the playoffs are younger than him by miles and have been the reason why we are where we are. Joba and Hughes. I so do not want this deal, 12 starts is what your dealing for, we don’t need this.
If the Yankees don’t get Halladay, I will support the team.
If the Yankees do get Halladay, I will support the team.
Who is on the team doesn’t matter. Are some players more enjoyable? Sure, it’s easier to root for Nick Swisher than Kevin Brown, but I’m still a Yankee fan.
“A lot of players hate Joba. That is a fact.”
Good, I hope every player in the league (outside of the Yankees) hates Joba with a passion. That means he’s dominating other teams.
lol, you’d all be healthier and probably live 30 minutes longer if you just ignored “christina25″ and her clearly un-biased and intelligent comments.
What Christina25 thinks about Joba deosn’t matter because he won the game
I’m not the only one who thinks bad about Joba.Joba is one the most hated Yankee players out there.
Interesting (if useless) Hypothetical: You know for a 100% fact that if you trade Joba and Hughes you WILL win a WS this year. Will. No ifs ands or buts.You also know that if you keep Joba and Hughes, you will NOT win a WS THIS YEAR ONLY. You have no idea what will happen in the rest of the three players’ respective careers. Would you trade Joba and Hughes for Halladay then, cnsidering Joba and Hughes’ potential in the years to come?
Good for you Christina25. Good thing I don’t care what ANYBODY thinks about Joba. He won the game. And we’re in first.
“This debate about Joba is why an innings limit is stupid. It should just be a season long pitch count”
it’s not that simple, bro.
Joba needs to learn how to go deep into games (past the 4th inning). He is learning this now, and you can’t inerfere with this.
seems like it would be better skipping him in the rotation, every chance they have. But there is no perfect way to deal with this.
“You my friend dont know what you are talking about.”
This from the individual claiming the Sox never throw at Yankees. And you question whether I’m watching the games? Sure Longoria doesn’t appreciate being thrown at. I never said the guy was happy about it, but I find it funny that his reaction post game is calm and professional, yet yours is ridiculously over-the-top and extremely rude. I don’t make it a habbit to get into these kinds of spats with people so I’m going to drop it after this, but I do have to say, if you think you’re comments are sane and rational this morning, you’ve either bought in too much into the crap the red sox fans around you are spewing or you need some help.
if Joba hasn’t put himself in an untouchable position after the last 3 starts then the Yankees front office is much, much dumber than I could ever believe. It’s one thing to project how a prospect may perform in the majors, it’s a completely different thing to see a young major leaguer dominate for 3 consecutive starts because there is absolutely no doubt now that Joba, barring injury, can fill that role.
Jon Lester is not going to be traded.
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Yeah, I don’t see the red sox trading Lester either.
Get ready, the rumors will be flying as we head towards 4pm tomorrow
That means he’s dominating other teams.
Trust me that’s not the reason why they hate him. They hated him because he is a punk, a showoff and a headhunter.
Christina25, how bout them Red Sox! Looking good keep it up.
@our house
trade 1 WS loss for a potential 4-5 WS wins??
i don’t want to win this year because i don’t want mo to retire
Hi Dennis! Two weeks in a row we were heading to Maine and two weeks in a row the weather held us back. We did go to the Cape yesterday, just for the day, and had the most tremendous lobster roll I have ever eaten. It may even top Red’s!
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I wouldn’t trade for Halladay just to win 1 title. I’d rather keep the young guys and see if they blossom into what people expect. That’s one of the best things to see, winning with guys you watched mature before your eyes.
Hokiehill —
Excellent point on the contradictory nature of the Yankees comments about Joba and their handling of him. You exactly right, they are not handling him like a guy with a “limit” no matter how much they say he’s on one.
I don’t think the Yankees need a starter to win the division, but I think their chances in the post-season will be reduced dramatically if Pettite is the third starter and Joba is in the pen or dry dock.
Boo-freakin-hoo. Joba’s the most hated player in the league? Good! That means he’s inside the heads of the other teams.
Christina25
July 30th, 2009 at 10:16 am
What Christina25 thinks about Joba deosn’t matter because he won the game
I’m not the only one who thinks bad about Joba.Joba is one the most hated Yankee players out there.
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so were Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale, Ferguson Jenkins, Nolan Ryan, and many, many other HOF pitchers who intimidated the opponents by throwing inside. I don’t even think Joba meant to do that to Longoria last night (you could see after the pitch he was upset with himself) but it doesn’t matter, the message was sent.
vinny-What do you mean? It’s great he’s learning to go deep into games. Which is why he needs a season long pitch count so they don’t stop him after five innings because he’s amost at his innings limit when he’s only at 80 pitches.
“I’m not the only one who thinks bad about Joba.Joba is one the most hated Yankee players out there.”
WAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And “Christina25 the Yankee fan” knows this because when she is not under cover as a Sux fan she is out polling all of America
“Trust me that’s not the reason why they hate him. They hated him because he is a punk, a showoff and a headhunter.”
Sorry, I haven’t been able to read all of the posts today. Why are we talking about Pedro Martinez?
“Trust me that’s not the reason why they hate him. They hated him because he is a punk, a showoff and a headhunter”
So, your run of the mill josh beckett? Or a starting version of paplebon, minus the “headhunter” moniker?
Am I the only one who believe that we can win a World Series with the 4 pitches we currently have hurling?
Obviously a stable 5th starter is needed, but doesn’t anyone else think that CC, AJ, Andy and Joba are enough to get it done??
Sorry, but I certainly believe so.
@tom in NJ
exactly. if they are worried about hating him, then they aren’t concentrating on his pitching.
look at a guy like Aubry Huff. his ENTIRE SEASON this year revolved around getting a hit off of joba so he could try to show him up with a fist pump. now he’s just a sad, aging player on a crap team falling off into obscurity.
“Would you trade Joba and Hughes for Halladay then, cnsidering Joba and Hughes’ potential in the years to come?”
Absolutely not, Halliday is good but you have 2 young guys who’ve already proven they can handle the major leagues and they’re cost controlled. Having young guys we can rely on gives us the ability to go out and get players like Tex and lock them up long term when they do finally hit free agency and blow every other team out of the water.
Tom B-I want to win this year. He has another year on his contract. He won’t retire yet.
POTENTIAL 4-5 wins. I’m saying, guranteed WS. All other WS wins are no gurantees. Would you make it happen?
Let me tell you. A lot of players hate Joba. That is a fact.
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Thats probably a lot of sox players and Rays players because they can’t hit him… Don’t talk as if Joba is the only pitcher who brushes back hitters.. Every dominant pitcher does it and pedro kept doing it when he was with the sox.. Joba was not trying to take anyone’s head.. Every dominant pitcher like clemens, pedro, Schilling have done it in the past.. Just because you have media covering every pitch and ESPN showing it a million times doesn’t make Joba’s any different from others.. Don’t issue statements like joba the drunk etc because that simply implies that your argument is weak..
hahahah 10 points for trisha
I still doubt that Halladay gets traded. The price at this moment is way too high, and the Blue Jays just lost a lot of leverage with Lee getting traded to the Phillies. RIccardi had his chance and he flogged it.
“I don’t even think Joba meant to do that to Longoria last night (you could see after the pitch he was upset with himself) but it doesn’t matter, the message was sent.”
He was probably upset because he missed…Ha!
I could care less what people think about Joba’s “headhunting”, fire and passion on the mound. He reminds me a lot of one Roger Clemens who every Yankees fan loved (I still do regardless of whether he used steroids). Opposing teams can hate Joba the person all they want, as long as they hate hitting against him even more.
Well you said that he acted like nothing happened. That’s not true. Longoria and the rest of the team didnt like it. That is why Garza threw at Tex.
“Sorry, I haven’t been able to read all of the posts today. Why are we talking about Pedro Martinez?”
BURN…
Montero and AJAX, these 2 should get us a good pitcher not named Halladay from some team.
Nah I hated Clemens when he was off my team, loved him when he was on it. That’s how it owrks with Joba. An mybe it was because of steroids, but Clemens had one of the greatest careers in MLB history. As did Pedro, a headhunter, w/o steroids.
He’s on your team you love him. Off it, you hate him. Means he’s good.
“but I think their chances in the post-season will be reduced dramatically if Pettite is the third starter and Joba is in the pen or dry dock.”
This was said about Andy in 2007 and he completely dominated Cleveland. He let up a lead off triple to Sizemore and worked around it. It was amazing and could have been a seminal moment of that playoffs if those freakin’ midges didn’t attack or Torre wised up and took his team off the field.
I have more faith in Andy in October then I do from April to September.
“Am I the only one who believe that we can win a World Series with the 4 pitches we currently have hurling?
Obviously a stable 5th starter is needed, but doesn’t anyone else think that CC, AJ, Andy and Joba are enough to get it done??”
The most important people of all agree with your take, and that is all that really counts. That would be the Yankees.
Oh yeah, I agree with you also.
Someday somewhere Joba is going to ger his due like Clemens did.
Holy smoke on those Lobster Rolls.
I am in Houston on business right now but leave the hotel in a bit to fly back to Maine via DC. Can’t wait to get out of here. I figured I had to check in as this is high point/low point for our teams.
I bet you are flying high this AM.
-dennis
You better not trade Montero unless it’s for a young, dominant pitcher, like Tim Linececum or King Felix. Or Albert Pujols. Otherwise, he’s untouchable.
“Obviously a stable 5th starter is needed, but doesn’t anyone else think that CC, AJ, Andy and Joba are enough to get it done??
Sorry, but I certainly believe so.”
If the innings limit is a farce then I believe so as well…but if Joba’s really going to be shut down when he reaches the limit, then it becomes CC, AJ, Andy and Mitre…not saying they can’t do it, but I’m not nearly as confident. Of course, few of the names out there *cough* Washburn *cough* would make me feel any better either.
@our house
I’m a sucker for potential, for me it’s about the ride. a guaranteed WS wouldn’t do much for me
“Guys just stop responding to Christina25, she’s trolling everyone here and doing a great job at it.”
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thank you!
“fool me once, shame on christina25. fool me twice… uh… uhm… uh…. she can’t fool me again!”
“I have more faith in Andy in October then I do from April to September.”
It always seems like Andy steps up when the pressure is at his highest. He’s still a big game pitcher even at his age and declining stuff, imo
trisha,
I pretty much live on the Cape right now. I’ll have to try the lobster roll.
if it tastes even half as good as it looks…
New thread!
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Hahahaha the Red Sox are not in first and Christina25 can’t stand it.
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She just needs to vent and let a little steam off. When teams actually try against the Boston teams, their fans get upset and their players whine about pitches and foul calls, etc.
Christina, have you ever seen that stinky movie which has Audrey Raines “24″ character in it? There is a father who tells his son that Derek Jeter’s name cannot be mentioned in the household. I think you’d enjoy it.
@our house
and i’d be careful with statements like these
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As did Pedro, a headhunter, w/o steroids.
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Until his name is NOT on that 103-list, I see an overly dominating starter that reverted to just above average when they started drug testing.
If,Joba is hated among the players,guess what.
Hated=respected, he’s a force to reckon with,so be it!
Dennis, I am very very happy. But I think you know that this optimist never doubted from day one that the Yanks were going to lead the pack. So for me it’s just happy business as usual! The thing that always pleases me the most is that I tend to go through seasons never worrying. That of course turns into its own greatest reward.
Safe trip. I have a brother in Houston and most times of the year it is far too hot for me to travel there!
Boston Dave – seriously, that lobster roll will knock your socks off. One of the people I went with already wants to go back!
…that’s a funny story about George running over Murti’s foot (ouch!)…I hadn’t heard that before.
Just won $5000. in a pool for guessing when Andy would give up one.I said 3rd inning minimum of 1,thank you Andy!!