More trouble for the Red Sox
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 30, 2009 
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It’s a tough day for the sanctimonious in Boston. According to the New York Times, David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez were on the infamous list of 103 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003. They were pillars of the 2004 and 2007 championship team.
Only a fool would be surprised. Ortiz went from non-tendered in Minnesota to superstar in Boston. Then his power somehow vanished.
Ramirez, meanwhile, is obviously a serial cheater. How dumb is he? He tested positive in 2003 and then got caught again in 2008.
The players have to be furious with the MLB Players Association that this “anonymous survey test” has come back to cause so much trouble. Why were the names recorded? Why were the results never destroyed? Why do anonymous lawyers have the ability to leak the information? Dozens of players are terrified they will be next.
Yankee fans should not be smug about this. Virtually every organization is tainted. But at least this latest report balances out the comical slant of the Mitchell Report.
The immediate question is to what degree this news will affect the Red Sox. Boston has lost eight of its last 11 and Ortiz is already struggling, hitting .224 with only 13 home runs. Might Boston deal for a bat to try and change its fortunes?
Just think of what Mo’s post season numbers would be like minus the spanking he took from Ortiz in 04 ALCS.
2004*
2007*
1918 LIVES!!!!!!!!!!
the Red Sox game is about the start on MLB network to anyone that can get to a T.V….curious to see the Fenway reaction..Ortiz is in the lineup unless he’s pulled at the last minute
Dozens of players are terrified that their names will come out?
Heartbreaking.
Can we at least be as smug as most sox fans were? For a while?
TAINTED world series championships.
Papi Gets standing Ovation – bank on it!
In my world, this isnt even news……..its old news at best.
“““Why the heck are we not in on this? Take Rios, and offer a sufficient package however no Hughes/Jobber”
This is the reason from Sherman: Hal Steinbrenner has ruled that the team cannot take on significant money the rest of the season. That is a huge reason why the Yanks are not players on Roy Halladay”
If Halladay goes to the sox for a weak package and the only reason we didn’t get him is money I will be incredibly disappointed with ownership.”
Reposting this from the last thread. I will go nuts if they get him for next to nothing.
“Uncle Ellsworth (turn off your mind relax and float downstream) July 30th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Can we at least be as smug as most sox fans were? For a while?”
exactly Ortiz is such a hypocrite w/ his comments during spring training after the AROD mess
Will Bruney get traded / DFA if his struggles continue?
A nice slice of HUMBLE PIE chowdah heads?? What comes around…
Who cares? Feel the paaaiiinnn!
And sanctimonious is the perfect word to describe Red Sox fans.
Lest there be any doubt that the Sox ’04 and ’07 titles are near worthless, here are some key stats:
Manny in ’04 playoffs: .350, 2HR, 11RBI.
In ’07: .347, 4HR, 16RBI.
Ortiz in ’04 playoffs: .400, 5HR, 19RBI.
In ’07: .370, 3HR, 10RBI.
Justice is blind…
As much as we hammer ESPN for their Red Sox bias, I have to give some props to ESPN radio for running wild with this story today. Listening to the Herd at lunch it was the main topic being discussed at length…the Sportscenter report every 20 minutes focused on the story as well. Each made the same comment about the 04 WS win. Pete’s right though, it’s not possible to look at this news and say, “they beat us because they cheated!” because chances are, just as many Yankees and players on other teams were cheating then as well. I think Manny is an idiot and Big Papi has been so vocal about how he never used, so I get some bit of satisfaction out of this, but not much…
absolutely shocking…
P.S. That is in no way meant to be smug. It is not trying to say any team or Series victories are tainted. It is simply a pondering of how one player’s incredible ability to dominate when it counts most might been compromised in 2004.
Gammons is trying soooooooooooo hard on ESPN right now to flack for Ortiz
Why did he speak out so adamantly against it?? He’s such a joke! It wouldn’t be as bad if he didn’t insist that they “test everyone” and call for a year suspension. He should be suspended for a year.
Im not smug!!!!!! Of course our team had users!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My belief was this was never going to come out. This weight on my chest for the past 7 years is as Chris Red Sox Berman would say,
BACK BACK BACK BACK GOOOOOOONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just get the whole list out already.
Interested to see how the mediots spin this news or burry it in the next few days. *
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The RedSox have to be affected by this nonsense and it only seems fair given their attitudes when the A-Rod was named.
Listen to what HOF Cardinal pitcher Bob Gibson said about performance-enhancing drugs. It makes some sense.
Providing asterisks makes no sense and ignoring some of the suspected superstars is simply wrong.
The only difference between Ramirez and Ortiz on this is that Ramirez was already a well-known good player who probably did not need the help, while Ortiz wasn’t even a regular starting-lineup guy until after he started juicing.
Don’t applaud ESPN for doing their job, they should have been on this when the other names came out. Applaud the times and ….gulp…Selena “the stalker” Roberts for getting this information out.
and who cares if Im smug, this blog doesnt disallow smugness!!!!
I wish someone could hack into the Fenway scoreboard and announce the Ortiz news to the fans during the day game. You know maybe in the 7th inning stretch while they sing their stupid song.
Oh, and Gammons will take all the blame for Ortiz. A-Rod is a man and took interviews and had a conference. Ortiz is a piece of crap with no guts.
“Can we at least be as smug as most sox fans were? For a while?”
exactly Ortiz is such a hypocrite w/ his comments during spring training after the AROD mess”
So your reaction is to be like Sox fans…the Yankees have always been a team about holding themselves to another standard with the uniform, the rules on appearance, etc…take a page from that book and be better than Sox fans. Nothing about this helps the Yankees of the past or the future. Ortiz, Manny and the Sox don’t need help from Yankees fans to look bad on this one.
I can officially rest easy as far as PED lists are concerned.
This was the only name I wanted to hear verified. We all knew he was a user, this finally proves it correct.
@ this point, nothing more can generate a reaction out of myself regarding PED’s, unless, somehow Mo….
I won’t even go there, the man is 150 lbs.
Two quotes from Jerry Seinfeld come to mind:
1. “Papi is a little sloppy.”
2. “That’s a shame.”
I would think they would try to acquire a bat regardless of this news
Actually, I meant to say that Cash is doing a very poor job thus far of obtaining the help we need. So far the Yankees have expressed serious interest in two players and they have let other teams acquire them. Is he not willing to trade any of his prospects? What does he think the farm system is there for?
yeah I want to know if they’ll make Ortiz do a press conference similar to a court hearing like AROD? I think AROD was the sacrificial lamb for the steroid era, not fair for him
No surprise especially Ortiz.
Is there a bigger Sox apologist than gammons? Watching him on ESPN is almost comical
MICHAEL SCHMIDT MY NEW HERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Yankee fans should not be smug about this. Virtually every organization is tainted. But at least this latest report balances out the comical slant of the Mitchell Report.”
That’s all you need to know. The Yankees are easy to hate and Mitchell tried to hang the steroids problem mainly on them and that plan backfired.
islesfan, you’re right, 1918 lives.
I’m not suggesting that was Pete’s interpretation fyi
It’s just a relief those hypocritical red sox fans can’t
boo arod anymore. Although there’s no guarantee they won’t do it anyway.
Look at Ortiz’ career numbers in July!!!!!
They’re incroidable. He must get ‘em over the Allstar Break
With all those beans in Boston it is hard to smell anything even if it is under your nose.
The Patriots cheated and won!
The Roid Sox cheated and won!
It is disgusting! Chumptown USA.
Joe D, I think it’s, “That’s such a shame.”
joeya,
pedro is 150 lbs as well
Release the names! I’m going to keep saying that until someone of importance hears me.
As a diehard Yankees fan, I can see why people feel the glee in the outing of Papi and manny… however, you can’t be a yankees fan without being a baseball fan, and as such, I find no joy in the outing of anyone. The steroids plague just keeps drowning the entire sport and lessens the achievements of others. At this point, I would be in favor of one of two things… a) burning the report and moving forward or b) releasing all the names, let it burn itself out and then move on. This slow leak is just dampening the flame of my passion for this game and if it continues, I’m afraid it’s going to blow it out altogether.
Am I still crazy for thinking the Sox could get Adrian Gonzalez? You gotta be smug in this situation! The Sox fans really thought they were all clean!
PLEASE DO NOT SUBMIT LINE UPS FOR “GUESS THE LINE UP” UNTIL I ACTUALLY ASK FOR THEM!!!!
I am trying to stick to the actual rules I set for this game to avoid line up chaos. The window for “Guess the Line Up” for games are as follows (weekdays only):
7pm starts= 2pm-3:40
8pm starts= 3pm-4:40
10pm starts- 5pm- 6:40
1pm starts- 9-10am
I can’t allow early line ups I have a paying job that has absolutely nothing to do with the Yankees. I need to do work sometimes. I am afraid if I start making exceptions everyone will do it and I will miss line ups and people will get angry with me.
RayVT- please resubmit later!
CB, do you agree that the Yankees can not just let the Sox walk away with Halladay? It looks like that is going to happen………
The only good that comes of this is that the Sox fans will shut up.
And by the way it does not taint the championships thats just ridiculous.
Ortiz will be cheered today. No doubt about it.
“Yankee fans should not be smug about this. Virtually every organization is tainted. ”
I don’t agree. Enjoy it everyone. We’ve been given crap for years about this. It’s time to fling it right back at those people.
Laura
July 30th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Release the names! I’m going to keep saying that until someone of importance hears me.
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I agree Laura. Just release them all and end this nonsense and speculation. They will all leak soon anyway
It’s gonna be a Subaru SUMMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cnat stop singing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU NO BIG PAPI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! from that commercial
Bad day for Manny, Ortiz, Boston and George Mitchell.
1918!
“Brandon, I believed Ortiz was on the juice all along as well.
I won’t celebrate it, but at the same time it is true that he has put himself in a unique light with his past comments on the issue.”
Wolf I certainly ain’t celebrating it either, but hey it is what it is.
“Actually, I meant to say that Cash is doing a very poor job thus far of obtaining the help we need. So far the Yankees have expressed serious interest in two players and they have let other teams acquire them. Is he not willing to trade any of his prospects? What does he think the farm system is there for?”
To eventually move from the old guard to the new guard. Again Doc isn’t going anywhere, certainly not Boston unless they are parting w/ Lester + Bard + laptop..Rios or no Rios.
Good for Ortiz. He deserves this x1000 even though he’s going to get off scot-free. He’s not relevant like Alex.
Now that I’ve got that out of my system, I’ll just cheer for 4.5.
4.5! 4.5!
Ugh. Gio Gonzalez. Let’s hope he pitches well.
Pulling off The Hallady trade would go along way in taking Ortiz of the front pages…….It does really suck that names are being released….I felt this when Alex was leaked…..
This is bad news, regardless of whether or not you root for the Yankees. I hate the Red Sox as much as anybody, but to spring yet another steroids story in the midst of a Yankee resurgence puts a real damper on the game. And it’s equally disappointing to hear that Ortiz, who was so vocal about steroid use earlier in the season, was on that list of 103 players. He’s a cheater like A-Rod, but will come off much worse than A-Rod did when everyone found out that he was using.
And if there’s one more bit of good news as a result of this story. Since the 2004 and 2007 Red Sox titles have been definitively stained for eternity, Yankees fans should have the leeway to chant 1918 at the stadium again.
This is orgasmic, i cant wait to hear the press conference today.I better hear a “YOU TOOK STEROIDS” chant on Aug 6th.
the Jays aren’t going to ‘give away’ Halladay to the Sox, what’s the point? If they are going to do that, they might as well wait for next year, see if they are competitive and then trade him at the deadline or get the compensation picks. Do you really think Ricciardi want Doc facing the Jays 3 times between now and the end of the season and another 6 times next year? Can you imagine how bad it will look to his fan base?
The city of CHEATING CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
INCROIDABLE, OUTROIDGEOUS, ORTIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ YA
Ortiz…. what a phony
How dare he rip players who used PEDs (this past February) as cheaters who should be banned at least a year?
Next time the issue of whether Mussina should make the Hall of Fame come up people should consider this question:
What would his numbers have looked like if he were pitching to a non-juiced Papi and Manny for all of those years?
tampayank – the difference between ortiz, manny and everyone else besides Arod is that Arod is the best. Hes the best player in the game and could have been the white knight baseball needed.
Im glad this info is out, and i’m also annoyed that these other players wont have to deal with the circus Arod did and will every step of the way. But there is a difference when youre in conversations for the best that ever played the game vs. conversations for the best DH the game has seen.
I can’t see a single bat in that dead weight laden lineup making a 4 game difference this late in the season.
You know what? I think Pedro was on steroids too.
“That’s all you need to know. The Yankees are easy to hate and Mitchell tried to hang the steroids problem mainly on them and that plan backfired.”
Herd made a good point about the Mitchell report. the majority of that report was based on interviews with trainers from the Yankees and Mets locker room = most likely why a lot of east coast guys were named. those touting Pujols, Vlad, etc… be careful. Ortiz trumpeting about never using and how punishment should be more strict certainly sounds a lot like the words coming out of Pujols’ mouth…
“It’s just a relief those hypocritical red sox fans can’t
boo arod anymore. Although there’s no guarantee they won’t do it anyway.”
You plan to boo PED Papi, right?
“Is there a bigger Sox apologist than gammons? Watching him on ESPN is almost comical”
My favorite line so far was “They tested positive in 03 but won in 04″
Gawd!
What a day!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!
Red Sox Nation has just experienced a NUCLEAR detonation!
WELL, HALLELUJAH THE TRUTH IS FINALLY OUT
Roid Sox….LOL
“This is bad news, regardless of whether or not you root for the Yankees.”
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it’s good news as far as I’m concerned.
I was getting sick of the Red Sox getting by without their fair share of the blame.
It was ARod, Clemens, Pettitte, Sosa, McGwire…
but the Red Sox did it the right way.
yeah… right
Ortiz is going to start his season ban tomorrow.
“Next time the issue of whether Mussina should make the Hall of Fame come up people should consider this question:
What would his numbers have looked like if he were pitching to a non-juiced Papi and Manny for all of those years?”
CB, that’s a great point. What about all the other batter he had to face that took steroids and we don’t know about, yet?
Peter Gammons = Propaganidst
He should wear a Boston Uniform when he appears on ESPN.
Wow. Nice 1-2-3.
10 pitches K:B of 9-1.
Hoping they’re still in shock over the leak.
poor Mitchell! Even with his biased report the sox are as tainted as the rest of baseball! Now let’s wait for the big brewers name to come out in spite of bud selig!
It’s time to fling it right back at those people.
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I couldnt agree more here. The picture thats been painted by the “We’re better than you” Boston fans, the Mitchell Report, Boston Media, and N-ESPN that it was always 70 degrees and Sunny everyday in good ol Boston, USA.
They deserve every second of this.
“If Halladay goes to the sox for a weak package and the only reason we didn’t get him is money I will be incredibly disappointed with ownership”
I agree. It doesn’t hurt for Cash to find out if they take Rios if the asking price for Doc goes down alittle bit. Also the Yanks have $50m+ coming off the team next season and they will need 2 outfielders anyway.
“What would his numbers have looked like if he were pitching to a non-juiced Papi and Manny for all of those years?”
Very good question! Unfortunately, we’ll never know.
Who really cares? Every era has some blemish that is deemed “cheating”. Everyone laughed off the “Spitter” days although that was out and out “in-game” cheating under BB’s rules but most considered it humorous. Gaylord even wrote a book to bask in the after-glow of his “cheating days”…”Me and the Spitter”. Perhaps someone will write the contemporary sequel “Me and Roids”.
The List of 100 + will ultimately be disclosed and it will be appalling to many to find the inclusion of a large number of so-called “Good Guys”. At least now A-Rod does not have to fly solo anymore and bear the animus of the press and the fans for his 100 plus “co-cheaters”.
“do you agree that the Yankees can not just let the Sox walk away with Halladay? It looks like that is going to happen………”
betsy,
that’s not going to happen. relax. the sox might get him (as might the yankees…) but they’ll have to pay to get him.
Either they’ll pay in talent or pay in taking on a bad contract that will hurt them for a while.
More bad news for Boston: Belichick’s Secret Cameraman was also on the list!
David Ortiz says players who test positive for steroids should be suspended.
“Do you know how many times I’ve been drug-tested since 2004? About 20,” Ortiz said. “You’ve got the biggest guys in the game getting caught with this stuff, and that’s why they don’t think you can have mechanical problems or you cannot have your mind in the wrong place or have injuries. It’s all steroids. That’s why I don’t talk about it. When I get turned around, people are going to say, ‘Oh, he’s back on it.’
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4163281
Remember when Ortiz said that when asked about A-Rod? I hope he gets his wish.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3911153
“the Jays aren’t going to ‘give away’ Halladay to the Sox, what’s the point? If they are going to do that, they might as well wait for next year, see if they are competitive and then trade him at the deadline or get the compensation picks. Do you really think Ricciardi want Doc facing the Jays 3 times between now and the end of the season and another 6 times next year? Can you imagine how bad it will look to his fan base?”
There wouldn’t be a BJays fan left. He ain’t going nowhere this yr.
I’m not surprised at all by the Ortiz steroid revelation, a good friend of mine (a lifelong Sox fan who loves him) both decided that was the case last year. MLB should just release all the names on the list already, pardon them all, make each of them do PSA’s about the dangers of taking steroids and how each of them regrets doing it, and MOVE ON. There is nothing that can be changed about how this all happened and the only thing that can be done from this point forward is to put even more strict penalties on 1st time offenders (how about a full season suspension plus a fine equal to 1 years salary?). The problem, of course, is that the player’s union will never agree to it.
“Herd made a good point about the Mitchell report. the majority of that report was based on interviews with trainers from the Yankees and Mets locker room = most likely why a lot of east coast guys were named”
True, my friend reminded me of this as well. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think that could only explain why there were a ton on NY area ppl – not why there were essentially zero red sox names. That reliever who stunk and got traded, I can’t remember his name right now almost seemed like a gimme now…
Shocked, just SHOCKED I tells ya…..
George Mitchell, what a pompous, pious, obviously biased buffoon….yeah, no RS on this list….Sure George
I disagree with you Pete on not being “smug” about this against Red Sox fans. They have always been vocal about all the Yankee players that took steroids and saying “the Yankees are built on roids”, I just can’t wait till all those people go into hiding. I think we deserve our day of smugness against Red Sox fans, but once today is over we should stop.
Everyone virtually knew that Ortiz was on the juice anyway, so it was really only a matter of time. This is bad in terms of publicity for all the wrong reasons, but great because it violently dropkicks the sanctimonious and arrogant Red Sox bandwagoners off their lofty perches. I’ll sleep easy tonight knowing that three generations of Red Sox fans have yet to see an untainted title.
This just strengthens Mike Mussina’s case for the HoF.
Pitching to those ****ing cheaters, and still put up the #s he did.
You’re in, Mike.
shows just how biased mitchell was
The Dodgers are the clubhouse leader right now.
But if either the Yankees or Sox take on an OF contract, too, that won’t matter.
It is not smugness to hear truth and recognize that it was obvious to start with, but biasly ignored by the media. This is not a great day for baseball or even the Yankees, but it is a day needed by the Sportsworld Media to correct some obvious biases.
Gammons was more than fair to ARod when he interviewed him. I have no dog in the fight with him. Ortiz said he didn’t know what was in those Dominican shakes, but everyone knew.
This stinks to me from the Commissioner on down! Mitchell especially!
The Red Sox stole their two championships since 1918. If I were a Cub fan I’d relly be disgusted even more!
Patriots & Red Sox Nation! Cheats! Cheaters! Liars! Farts!
David Ortiz says players who test positive for steroids should be suspended.
“Do you know how many times I’ve been drug-tested since 2004? About 20,” Ortiz said. “You’ve got the biggest guys in the game getting caught with this stuff, and that’s why they don’t think you can have mechanical problems or you cannot have your mind in the wrong place or have injuries. It’s all steroids. That’s why I don’t talk about it. When I get turned around, people are going to say, ‘Oh, he’s back on it.’
Remember when Ortiz said that when asked about A-Rod? I hope he gets his wish.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3911153
“Pulling off The Hallady trade would go along way in taking Ortiz of the front pages…….”
Pat M,
What advice do you think the PR firm the Sox use is giving John Henry right now?
Ortiz about to bat.. watching on mlb.com…willing to bet anything he gets a standing o from the sam-adams-guzlers on yawkey way
“Ortiz is going to start his season ban tomorrow.”
Lol.
“Ortiz is going to start his season ban tomorrow.”
The way he’s hitting this year I think he started it april !!
Leaked list:
http://www.sportsrumormill.com.....eaked.html
I don’t plan to boo him, no. Because I’m not a clown.
Ortiz, 7 years of chest pains later. This has got me acting like a kid again. it’s naptime for me!! or not..
I hope umpires dont start Ortizing us more often.
Buster Olney, where are ya???
Anybody heard from Buster???
It has been 91 years since the Red Sox won a World Series.
But seriously can we as Yankee fans not call the two sox titles tainted now?
Sox are getting Halladay, I can feel it. They get him for Buchholz and a few other scrubs, take back Rios. I have a bad feeling about them responding to this Ortiz thing by bringing in Doc. Shame on teh Steinbrenners for not even getting involved for Halladay.
“This just strengthens Mike Mussina’s case for the HoF.
Pitching to those ****ing cheaters, and still put up the #s he did.
You’re in, Mike.”
Unless his name is on the list…I don’t personally think it is, but you can’t be sure about anyone until the list is out. Just like the clean players should have spoken up years ago, they need to speak up now and get that list released so that their names can be cleared (to an extent anyway).
Reposting from the last thread (my timing sucks…lol):
Hey everybody – long time, no chat. Been every busy getting my business off the ground the last several months, but I’m going to try to get back into the swing of posting here.
Couple of quick hits in trying to get caught up -
Brandon, I believed Ortiz was on the juice all along as well.
I won’t celebrate it, but at the same time it is true that he has put himself in a unique light with his past comments on the issue.
Betsy – I read the comments yesterday. You are a fine contributor to these discussions and I agree with others that you should just ignore the idiots. Oh, and put me down for 107 wins.
I’ll jump in on the trade talk as I post more. Hope people even remotely remember me at this point. lol
It just makes us sound dumb.
Colin Cowherd (sp?) is a moron. He thinks 75% of couples cheat on each other and 75% of baseball players are on steroids. He thinks its funny. HA. ESPN is a joke. Francessa was right about that. Of course, when it’s A-rod they crucify him, but when it’s the red sox it’s “but everyone else was doing it!!!” RIGHT cuase that makes it right. Last i checked my mom said two wrongs do not.
Someone post the crowd reaction to ortiz. Good? Bad? Neutral?
” it’s not possible to look at this news and say, “they beat us because they cheated!” because chances are, just as many Yankees and players on other teams were cheating then as well.”
Absolutely. Yes Manny and Papi were on the sauce in 2003 but then so were Clemens, Pettitte, Giambi and some have said Aaron Boone, Soriano, Contreras as well. It’s a lose/lose situation as far as steroids. It appears the big market teams not only were able to afford the more expensive players but those players were cheating as well. Not good for baseball.
Oh I don’t think there’s anything to feel smug about. I will say what I have been saying, they all did it. I’m not suprised at anyone anymore. There’s plenty of blame to go around for this mess. Now with that said I do get some joy out of all the Sox fans who chirped about how they did it the right way, they did it clean. Also how they chanted at Arod? Will they still do the same now? What will John Henry tweet tonight? What I feel angry about until this time was why was it only Yankees being outed as cheaters? That’s what pssed me off.
Laura
Aside from the idea that the players were assured confidentiality, the problem with saying put all the names out is there is no real way to do that.
The only names they could put out are the ones still playing and using in 2003 that tested positive. There could be guys who cleaned up for the test, cleaned up beofre the test or retired prior to 2003.
Bonds tested negative in 2003 but the sample was retested in 2008 and it came back positive.
Releasing the list doesn’t clear anything up and violates peoples rights.
cheering him loudly.. nothing wrong with that.
I want a public execution like they did for ARod.
Get Selena Roberts to stalk their pasts and entourage!
“I don’t plan to boo him, no. Because I’m not a clown.”
Maybe not you, but tune in to the game…he will be booed by plenty of Yankee fans.
Al,
Doesn’t work. They need a pitcher. Next year’s rotation is: Beckett, Lester, …, …, ….
‘Roid Sox Nation just Cheered Ortiz as he came to the plate to bat in the bottom of the 2nd at Fenway.
What a bunch of phonys.
“But seriously can we as Yankee fans not call the two sox titles tainted now?”
Does it make sense calling thier’s tainted and ours clean? I think not. So I’d srsly have to say no, it is what it is.
They are talking about it now on the Sox broadcast. As Ortiz hits a double….
and now ortiz just doubled on first pitch to try to put to rest any concern about his career is over.
12:21pm: Joe McDonald of the Providence Journal sees the Dodgers in the lead for Halladay, with the Rangers in the mix and talks with Boston calming down.
Pete, where is the moral outrage and vitriol for Ortiz? I think one of the things that frustrated me most about your coverage of the A-Rod situation was how you singled him out as a target uniquely deserving of our indignation.
Is A-Rod a cheater? Yes. His admission necessitates this belief. Did A-Rod lie to us and disrepect the game? Yes. Would I want my child to behave in a similar manner? Of course not.
But, as many of us were saying at the time, he was not alone. You did not use the same words to describe Giambi, or Pettite. It doesn’t seem like you will for Ortiz. They have done the same things.
A-Rod is not an innocent in all of this. But he is but one of many who cheated and lied and no more of a “clown” or “cancer”, or “cheater” etc., than all of these others.
All that said, you do tremendous work. Thanks for all that you do.
I continue to believe the whole era should get a giant asterisk, and if clean players get tainted too, it’s too bad. They knew what was going on around them and didn’t speak up.
ortiz gets big cheer, doubles and the crowd goes nuts!!!
2nd & 3rd no outs on Ortiz’s double.
They gave him a mild applause. Nothing like a standing O. or booes.
“Someone post the crowd reaction to ortiz. Good? Bad? Neutral?”
The just said on the B Team that there was little reaction to Ortiz as he came to the plate. Probably because this news broke at 12:24PM EST. Most of the fans were either on their way to the park or already there. And does anyone really think the Sox would boo Ortiz because of this? A-Rod wasn’t booed here and he hasn’t won anything here. A guy like Ortiz isn’t going to be booed at home if that’s what you are looking for to happen.
The people sitting at a game in Boston probably don’t know the news yet!
“‘Roid Sox Nation just Cheered Ortiz as he came to the plate to bat in the bottom of the 2nd at Fenway.
What a bunch of phonys.”
Either that or they have a heart. No offense but if Jeter were on that list you think he gets boo’d? I’d think not and no don’t give that he’s not on the list mumbo jumbo, we don’t know. That’s what MLB created.
God, Betsy, you wonder why people complain about your posts.
Can you stop whining and fretting for a minute over every trade rumor you read on the web?
The Sox aren’t just going to “get him for nothing” while every other team stands by and lets it happen. Have some faith in the front office.
The team isn’t going to jump to make a bad deal just to block the Sox. You sound like a Sox fan pre 2004.
1918!
1918!
1918!
1918!
Half-hearted cheers for Ortiz. No one stood, within camera view.
“I want a public execution like they did for ARod.
Get Selena Roberts to stalk their pasts and entourage!”
Unfortunately Selena doesn’t have a book to promote about Papi. What a effin joke! Glad that book did horribly and the publisher lost millions printing all of those books. I wouldn’t buy and read that piece of garbage even if it was selling for $0.99.
“Al,
Doesn’t work. They need a pitcher. Next year’s rotation is: Beckett, Lester, …, …, ….”
So because they need a pitcher we should just let Doc go to them? Jeez at least put up a good front Cash, the sawks are alone with Ricciardi and will probably get a sweet deal!
and now ortiz just doubled on first pitch to try to put to rest any concern about his career is over.
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His Career is DONE !
this should close the book on Washburn:
“I am not giving this guy away. He is a valuable piece to us. He shouldn’t come cheap if he is moved. No one in the league is pitching better than (Washburn). So if we move him, we need to get good pieces. Because if we keep him he is a very, very good piece for us.”
- seattle GM
Time to add another wing to the hall of fame the * wing
Red Sox announcers ” It taints A PART of that 2003 season A LITTLE BIT”
LOL! Yeah SURE!
1918
I personally like the Herd. I don’t agree with everything Cowherd says, but I don’t agree with everything anyone says. He won me over a year or two ago with some rant he went on about how terrible UVA football was. Anyway, most of what he said about guys likely on steriods I agree with. The cheating thing I do not, but he comes from a broken marriage so I imagine that plays a part in his thoughts about that. Plus he lives (or lived) in LA…I imagine that kind of thing is much more prevalent in a town like that.
“the sawks are alone with Ricciardi and will probably get a sweet deal!”
And won’t land him. You guys are too sensitive to trade talks.
i exaggerated a bit. mild applause is right. not too loudly.
1918, once again relevant?
Doesn’t (didn’t?) the New York Times own part of the Red Sox?
The dumbest part of this all is that HGH is still undetectable…in 5-10 years we will have a list of HGH users…guaranteed
The supposed list was on the net few weeks ago, both of these were there
I’ve watched the entire NESN feed of the game today…not one word about Ortiz and the positive test. It’s comical how bias they are up there
““the sawks are alone with Ricciardi and will probably get a sweet deal!”
And won’t land him. You guys are too sensitive to trade talks.”
Everyone in baseball says Ricciardi HAS to move Doc and that he is just putting up a clever front. The Sox are the ONLY team involved right now, you do the math.
“12:21pm: Joe McDonald of the Providence Journal sees the Dodgers in the lead for Halladay, with the Rangers in the mix and talks with Boston calming down.”
12:21 Wednesday, everyone saw Phila in the lead. These clowns are clueless.
1918!!1918!! Yes it may be smug, but at least this evens the score a bit.
Worry about the Red Sox getting Halladay when he’s wearing a Red Sock uniform.
Until then, it makes zero sense to get riled up over a bunch of trade rumors that usually turn out to be 99% gibberish.
Don’t people ever learn?
Eckersley is a horrible announcer…Boston has scored a run, they have the bases loaded with HOF Nick Green up.
“The people sitting at a game in Boston probably don’t know the news yet!”
Blackberries and I-Phones work in Boston I presume.
Al from BK
July 30th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Sox are getting Halladay, I can feel it. They get him for Buchholz and a few other scrubs, take back Rios. I have a bad feeling about them responding to this Ortiz thing by bringing in Doc. Shame on teh Steinbrenners for not even getting involved for Halladay.
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Al, are you hiding in the George Costanza desk inside Yankee Stadium? How do you know what the Yankees are either doing or not doing regarding Halladay? Did Hal send you a text message saying, ‘complain away, we r not doing anything about Doc’?
Maybe Ricciardi is a double secret agent for the Sox and is not only going to trade Halladay but also Marcus Scutaro, Adam Lind, Rickey Romero and a top prospect for Bucholz and a bowl of chowder from Legal Seafood.
release the whole list…this is becoming ridiculous
You guys can chant 1918 all you want, but the sad truth is this does nothing to change the actual history books. Yankee fans got cheated.
“And does anyone really think the Sox would boo Ortiz because of this? A-Rod wasn’t booed here and he hasn’t won anything here. A guy like Ortiz isn’t going to be booed at home if that’s what you are looking for to happen.”
Exactly…it’s called supporting your players. Bonds was the first example…they LOVED that guy in SF but he got killed everywhere else. Same thing with Manny, ARod and now Papi…
Tom in N.J…they do own a percentage but are reportedly trying to sell it. This according to the reporter who broke the story and was on the radio a bit ago (can’t remember if it was on the Herd ot Rome’s show as I was flipping between the two)
“The supposed list was on the net few weeks ago, both of thes were there”
List is suppose to be fake. but I don’t think it’s all that fake.
Can’t wait to attend the yanks/sox game on 8/7.
Just bought tickets earlier this morning.
“I personally like the Herd. I don’t agree with everything Cowherd says, but I don’t agree with everything anyone says. He won me over a year or two ago with some rant he went on about how terrible UVA football was. Anyway, most of what he said about guys likely on steriods I agree with. The cheating thing I do not, but he comes from a broken marriage so I imagine that plays a part in his thoughts about that. Plus he lives (or lived) in LA…I imagine that kind of thing is much more prevalent in a town like that”
the content of the show is ok, but he comes across as self-rightous and overbearing. That said, next to Francessa he is a God
Just want to find out Schilling did roids now
Curious, why would the NY Times put out this story when they are selling their ownership stake in the Red Sox? Won’t that devalue their selling price? No wonder the NY Times are going under!
pat
July 30th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
“The people sitting at a game in Boston probably don’t know the news yet!”
Blackberries and I-Phones work in Boston I presume.
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I may be in the minority, but I usually ignore my cell phone at games. In fact, the last time I was at a game I have 4 missed calls from people I knew who were also at the game and wanted to try to meet up
If Halladay goes to LA the prospects of a Philly-LA NLCS is looking good. That will be some series to watch.
“Everyone in baseball says Ricciardi HAS to move Doc and that he is just putting up a clever front. The Sox are the ONLY team involved right now, you do the math.”
Everyone in baseball called Hughes a bust, EVERYONE in baseball said Joba wasn’t a SP. My math tells me if this deal sucks that JP will hold onto him and deal him in 2010 when he finds a team just as desperate in a race.
We keep hearing and seeing reports that the Yanks arent going to take on more money this year and I tend to believe them. And to be honest, I cant blame Hal after what he dished out over the summer.
spygate.. ortizgate….
I guess maybe I might start believing in karma. I didnt believe ever that this would come out.
Steroids have been around for years. I saw players bulk up in football in the early 70′s from steroid use. It has been a hard pill to swallow with current or relatively current Yankees being tagged with steroids while the RSox Nation being squeaky clean. Now everyone knows that in both Football & Baseball they cheated to get their titles.
Al from BK July 30th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Everyone in baseball says Ricciardi HAS to move Doc and that he is just putting up a clever front. The Sox are the ONLY team involved right now, you do the math.
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You have no idea what you’re talking about.
The Yanks weren’t in on Teixeira either until we were told later that Cashman was in on him all along.
Most of these trade rumors turn out to be crap. This happens every year.
Well said, Erica.
Get over the 2004 bs about the Sox winning because of steroids, do you really think any team in baseball was clean (including the Yankees) from the late ’90s through at least the end of the 2005 season?
“Maybe Ricciardi is a double secret agent for the Sox and is not only going to trade Halladay but also Marcus Scutaro”
then the nose is a disguise ?
“Betsy, you wonder why people complain about your posts.”
miggs,
Betsy’s only reference to Halladay in this thread was a question specifically addressed to me.
I was happy to answer her question.
Not all people complain about her posts as was evidenced by the thread last night.
Just move on and don’t bother reading her posts.
Otherwise she’s more than free to address any question she wants to me or to post what she wants.
funny that the same week the times sell their share of the sox this comes out! how long have they known this!?
The only thing we still need is francona to write a book called ” the red sox years” in which he blasts “big pa-fraud” and says that ortiz always had a “single white female” crush on varitek!!
William Buckner-
Yea, you have to take the rumors with a grain of salt. Some reports may be true, others may just be rumors floating around to catch people’s attention (as seen on this blog). You have to believe it right when it happens. Thats just my two cents,though.
Erica, what time do we start the lineup guessing?
The list should be released in entirety.
Bud Selig should be banned from baseball.
So Should Donald Fehr.
Bud & Don presided over the Juiced Era and did nothing to stop it till the Feds came in and forced their hands.
George Mitchell should also be banned for his slip shod report and also for just being George Mitchell.
Amen Peter..
the only thing that bothers me about the roid stuff is guys like brett boone, brady anderson, juan rincon, and tons of other players get away with acting like they are clean…
MG -
You get over it ! .. Sox kept throwing this BS in our faces . Now its time for them to get it right back !
ManRoid, Milk Shake Ortiz, Nomar, Mo Vaughn, Rodney HGHarrison, Bill Belicheat… the list goes on
Boston has earned its new name
Cheat Town, USA!!!!!!!!
How does the NY Times keep getting all this juicy information all the time?
Sean Serritella, check out Seinfeld this week, he’ll say it. That’s a shame. No “such” in it man.
Lotsa big names on the rumored list, including some of our guys. you can bet that “that” list will be “published” (true or not) to take the heat off Big Papi.
MLB can’t release the entire list even if they want to because it’s sealed under the agreement with the players association. The players association would have to agree to releasing the list and based on their history I would not hold my breath. Unless the clean players (if there really are any) start making a stink about wanting the list out it will continue to be leaked bit by bit…
Why can’t the Yankees just use the money earmarked for Wang, let him become a free agent (after 2010?) and use that money towards Roy Halladay.
Were they not planning on retaining Wang long term when they signed CC and AJ?
“So Should Donald Fehr”
if anyone wonders what should be done with Donald Fehr, may i suggest the mini-series “John Adams” scene 1
In my opinion all those years in which a player was tested positive for taking PED’s should have his statistics eliminated from the record books. Only those years where there is no evidence they used PED’s should be allowed to stand. No asterics, no banning from the HOF, just remove those years and judge them on the merits of their clean years.
If baseball is serious, I mean really serious, about ridding the sport we all love of the taint of drugs, then eliminating their tainted years will be a powerful deterrent.
“Everyone in baseball called Hughes a bust, EVERYONE in baseball said Joba wasn’t a SP. My math tells me if this deal sucks that JP will hold onto him and deal him in 2010 when he finds a team just as desperate in a race.”
I believe the reports this time. The Yankees aren’t going to spend money, even if it means automatic World Series and the Red Sox are poised to make a move, following this Ortiz fiasco. Also the Jays are VERY high on Buchholz, something not to be under-estimated. If We offer nothing and the Sox offer Buchholz and 3 other guys then they will basically get Doc by default.
“MG -
You get over it ! .. Sox kept throwing this BS in our faces . Now its time for them to get it right back !”
So we can’t be the bigger person? we have to become just as obnoxious as them? I choose not to.
CB its been going on for the last 3 hours spread over the last couple of threads.
You have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine.
I’ve pretty much lost all respect for Gammons. I have nothing for him. I wouldn’t even shake his hand and I used to be a fan.
To go on National TV and allude that Manny and Ortiz used in 2003, but we have no proof for 2004 and 2007 so they may not have used then is a disgrace.
How about you show a little backbone you weasel and just admit the guys who carried you to the WS were PED users like everyone else.
I know Clemens used. I’m sure he was on it 2000. Same goes for Chad Curtis and Knobby and some of the other guys on the team.
As Yankee fans we don’t like that it happened here but at least we admit it.
Gammons is joke and whoever said he should go on ESPN in a Red Sox Uniform from now on is right.
What a disgrace.
Makes me glad for the millionth time that I’m a Yankee fan. Our organization runs circles around the other one’s including the Mets and Red Sox.
The Yankees know how to deal with news like this and handle it the best they can. They don’t get puppets to go on the air and try to spin. They ask their players to act like men and admit they did something wrong so the issue can be moved past.
What’s going on in Boston is the media are going to make the issue go away and Ortiz will suddenly lose his command of English like Sosa did in DC and they’ll put the blanket over the fire.
There is part of me that is glad that those 2 idiots were using because never in my life had I seen two players who were that otherworldly all the time. They were beyond dominant. They changed the game…and they used drugs to do it just like everyone else. Frauds.
“Also the Jays are VERY high on Buchholz, something not to be under-estimated. If We offer nothing and the Sox offer Buchholz and 3 other guys then they will basically get Doc by default.”
i read a report and a sox friend of mine told me too that the jays said they were not that high on laptop dude
Pete, can’t help but be smug somewhat. I recall Papi months ago asking for strict action be taken on any player caught using PEDs. Looks like it came around…
Irish Johnny..’Roid Sox Nation’? Brilliant…
“I believe the reports this time. The Yankees aren’t going to spend money, even if it means automatic World Series and the Red Sox are poised to make a move, following this Ortiz fiasco. Also the Jays are VERY high on Buchholz, something not to be under-estimated. If We offer nothing and the Sox offer Buchholz and 3 other guys then they will basically get Doc by default.”
Uhuh sure still not happening.
“You get over it ! .. Sox kept throwing this BS in our faces . Now its time for them to get it right back !”
Yeah, let’s act like stupid Sux fans! Woohoo! After all, them being idiots justifies us being idiots, right?!
I remember how much of a joke I thought it was that Baltimore fans were chanting steroids to ARod with Brian Roberts out in the field…not to mention Brady Anderson, Palmero, etc… don’t be that ignorant joke of a sports fan…hold yourself to a higher standard.
So we can’t be the bigger person? we have to become just as obnoxious as them? I choose not to.
Brandon thats your choice . . god bless you .
Hokiehill
July 30th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Erica, what time do we start the lineup guessing?
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“Guess the Line up” start times will be as follows (weekdays only):
7pm game start- 2-3:40pm
8pm game start- 3-4:40pm
10pm game start- 5-6:40pm
1pm game start- 9-10am
No early submissions!!
1pm
GMAN
July 30th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
The list should be released in entirety.
Bud Selig should be banned from baseball.
So Should Donald Fehr.
Bud & Don presided over the Juiced Era and did nothing to stop it till the Feds came in and forced their hands.
George Mitchell should also be banned for his slip shod report and also for just being George Mitchell.
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HEAR! HEAR!
The punishment should fit the crime, and these men are just as guilty as the players for letting it go this long.
I want the whole list out but trickling it out is even better.
It makes Bud Selig look worse and worse when it comes out one by one.
I want this man’s head for being such a joke.
FIRE SELIG… cha cha chachacha
“To go on National TV and allude that Manny and Ortiz used in 2003, but we have no proof for 2004 and 2007 so they may not have used then is a disgrace.”
Wasn’t there a huge problem when A-Rod was exposed because he was getting warned about future tests? That was the allegation anyway. I find it just as plausible that whoever warned A-Rod was warning Ortiz and Manny and whoever else.
“You guys can chant 1918 all you want, but the sad truth is this does nothing to change the actual history books. Yankee fans got cheated.”
The thing is this. For about 6 years, Sox fans have given Yankees players hell over the steriod issue. First Big G, then Arod.
And not a finger was ever pointed their way. Now they will get it as they gave it as a fan base.
Does it change anything? No. But it should end their sanctimonious BS.
They sure got rid of that caller real fast on 1050 ESPN radio. Guess you can’t refer to Colin Cowherd as Colin Cowtu**
Hokiehill-
I forgot to answer the question directly. LOL
Today starts at 3pm!!!!!!
If that list ends up being released, it may be comprised of more yawners than shockers, but keep in mind we could learn that nmore of our players were on it too.
Personally, I think we’ll find out some more big names that really disappoint us over time, because we thought they were clean. While I’m certainly not rooting for a name like Pujols to be on that list, nothing would surprise me now. I was convinced that ARod was a once-in-a-lifetime natural talent that the game needed to move past the steroids era mess, but look how that turned out.
I wonder if the likes of Mike Lupica will still talk with reverence about the sainted George Mitchell … no offense, I’m sure hes a stand up person … but when you work for the Redsox how can you be fair … nice job by Bud Selig putting him in charge of the investigation … what a joke
Oh my goodness gracious. I was all excited about my brother and I completely dominating our annual mini golf competition vs. our cousins and now I get the shocking, disappointing news that Manny and Papi were on the 2003 list. Who could have guessed???
I look forward to some excellent twittering from Mr. Henry.
Oh my goodness gracious. I was all excited about my brother and I completely dominating our annual mini golf competition vs. our cousins and now I get the shocking, disappointing news that Manny and Papi were on the 2003 list. Who could have guessed???
I look forward to some excellent twittering from Mr. Henry.
Just to be clear, I hate the Red Sox, I’m a life long Yankee fan. But let’s not get self-righteous. Who knows how many of our beloved Yankees were doing drugs during all their championship years too. Just sayin.
I think the list should just come out so everyone shuts up about it ( unless Jeter and Mo are on it, in which case, I would be distraught)
“Why can’t the Yankees just use the money earmarked for Wang, let him become a free agent (after 2010?) and use that money towards Roy Halladay.
Were they not planning on retaining Wang long term when they signed CC and AJ?”
That is the annoying part. They lose Damon, Matsui, Pettitte, Molina after this season, that is nearly 35 million bucks off the payroll. Taking on Doc at 15 for a guaranteed World Series is off-limits? pftt!
That’s how shocked I feel…. double post shocked.
There are none so blind…
I KNEW Manny Ortez was on roids. I just knew he was a cheater…and he was John Kerrys favorite player, what a shame.
I remember ARod’s first game in Boston after the leak of his name on this list. “Cheater” was the ongoing chant.
I’m looking forward to hearing the “Big Juici” chants in the Bronx.
Papelbon will be next..
Yahoo’s Tim Brown sees the Dodgers and Red Sox as the frontrunners for Doc in what is shaping up as a two-team race. Brown says the only Major Leaguer in the Dodgers’ offer is James McDonald, while the Sox will part with Clay Buchholz, one of Justin Masterson, Michael Bowden, and Lars Anderson, and some lesser prospects.
OC kills the Yankees, but comes up lame against the Sox.
Re: Ortiz, the Sox knew this was coming out today. The Times reporter asked Ortiz last night, and got a shrug and a “I’m not gonna talk about that”
DOes anyone remember when roido varitek attacked AROD and the fight ensued.
There were 3 guys over by the dugout kicking on Tanyon Sturtze. Ortiz, Nixon and someone esle. Im wondering the 3rd guy was a roido considering the 1st 2 are.
Oh well, it doesnt matter, the whole team was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
City of Cheats!!!
CB- you are a gentleman!!!
vinny-
We should do that to Gammons! Even better, we can do it in Boston.
The ‘Good-Old-Days’ may never had existed:
“Mickey Mantle was forced out of part of the ’61 pennant race by an infection he got from the needle of a quack doctor who shot him up with a concoction of steroids and amphetamine. Sandy Koufax took so many nonanabolic steroids for his sore arm that he was sometimes “half high” on the field.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4192628
Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD
July 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Oh my goodness gracious. I was all excited about my brother and I completely dominating our annual mini golf competition vs. our cousins and now I get the shocking, disappointing news that Manny and Papi were on the 2003 list. Who could have guessed???
How much did you win?
Gotta love mini golf. Was it a new Bohemouth place or small old school place?
Did they notify all 103 players that their tests came back dirty? If they release the list, there could be some players that are shocked that they are on it.
LOL at the caller saying “Colin Cowtu**”.
Perhaps a little juvenile, but I am laughing nonetheless.
http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/
bold headline
Now we worry about confidentiality when it’s the Red Sox getting hosed?
We could care less when it was ARod?
Sanctimonious BS from the press, period.
Thank goodness for the internet, where 3 months ago all the braying about the “public’s right to know is there for everyone to see–when it was a Yankee in trouble.
How about a big “we’re sorry, fans, we really weren’t doing our jobs right during this whole steroid mess” ad in a major newspaper, signed by the baseball beat writers from major media markers?
steve phillips just admitted that there are a lot of red sox fans @ espn and they are devastated
That rumored list that was linked…
… is the same one from rotoworld that was debunked as just a rumor a couple months ago.
Personally, I don’t really care that their names came out. I mean, I like the fact that it will shut up some of their pompous fans, but at the same time, I personally feel that the whole steroids issue in modern baseball is a bit overblown. People do what they can to win.
I’m not saying it’s right, but most people are against it as a moral issue; I don’t really feel that Mantle being an alcoholic was any better or worse, just different. Steroids or not, it still takes talent to hit a baseball well. I’m personally pretty indifferent to it.
Tigers inquired about Halladay and were told Rick Porcello, Ryan Perry and Casey Crosby to get a seat at the table.
No surprises with the Ortiz/Ramirez positive ’03 tests. But as it was when others (including A-Rod) were outed, it’s wrong that these court-sealed results have been leaked to the public.
To me that’s a far bigger moral issue than some jocks putting chemicals into their bodies so they can play a game better. I don’t care if they were playing for the enemy at the time when I say that.
Sure … it taints their championships. But that’s really not as important as the bigger picture of being able to trust the legal system.
“Sandy Koufax took so many nonanabolic steroids for his sore arm that he was sometimes “half high” on the field”
in fairness to Sandy, is why he chose to walk away from the game.
bad comparison
It’ll be interesting to see what Curt Schilling has to say about this.
Al from BK July 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
That is the annoying part. They lose Damon, Matsui, Pettitte, Molina after this season, that is nearly 35 million bucks off the payroll. Taking on Doc at 15 for a guaranteed World Series is off-limits? pftt!
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There is no such thing as a guaranteed World Series. pfffffttt!!!!
Other teams are trying, too.
If Jeter and Mo were on a “list”…..
I would never listen to another sporting event, ever…
I would throw-up the very minute someone mentioned the name Derek or Mariano…including when refering to Derek Lee or Mariano Duncan
I would buy tickets for the upperdeck and see if I could fly…
“DOes anyone remember when roido varitek attacked AROD and the fight ensued.
There were 3 guys over by the dugout kicking on Tanyon Sturtze. Ortiz, Nixon and someone esle. Im wondering the 3rd guy was a roido considering the 1st 2 are.
Oh well, it doesnt matter, the whole team was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
City of Cheats!!!”
Kapler I believe
By the way …
“… the comical slant of the Mitchell Report”
BINGO, Pete!
Has anyone thought of the 3rd player
Nick In SF how is it down in OC? I love it there, I am thinking about heading down in a couple of weeks.
eric-
Where did Phillips say that?
Guys – doesn’t anyone else think it’s a big deal that A-Rod was allegedly getting warned about imminent tests by a player’s union guy. That was the biggest hole in his so-called “admission” at the start of this season. Peter Gammons can try to say that failed tests in 03, but passed tests in 04 and on means something but in all likelihood (at this point “allegedly” is good enough for me) it means nothing.
Cape Cod Holy Cow
July 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
It’ll be interesting to see what Curt Schilling has to say about this.
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I keep updating 38pitches, but nothing.
Cape Cod Holy Cow
July 30th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
It’ll be interesting to see what Curt Schilling has to say about this.
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I keep updating 38pitches, but nothing.
I’d like to get Doc. I’d like to see the Sox pay a metric ton to get him. I’d also be fine if we see Doc wind up on the Dodgers or Brewers.
I think the Phillies trading for Lee really undercut Riccardi and that makes me happy too.
Old school Old Pro course. Polynesian course, Safari course, Pirate course. 54 holes, brothers vs brothers. Two Yankee fans (my brother and I) vs. a Red Sox fan and a Cubs fan (my cousins). My brother and I won by 22 strokes and 18 skins. Total domination. Monetary stakes were low. The bragging rights are priceless.
I’ll be honest, i try not to be a conspiracy theorist, but i wonder if part of the deal with this coming out is actually red sox spin. If they’re planning on getting rid of ortiz (understandable based on how he’s playing) this gives them the perfect opportunity to drop him without a big reaction from the fanbase (just look at how they handled the manny thing). it also gives them grounds to say that when they found out about him juicing, they cut him, and point fingers at the yankees for keeping arod, pettitte
“Yahoo’s Tim Brown sees the Dodgers and Red Sox as the frontrunners for Doc in what is shaping up as a two-team race. Brown says the only Major Leaguer in the Dodgers’ offer is James McDonald, while the Sox will part with Clay Buchholz, one of Justin Masterson, Michael Bowden, and Lars Anderson, and some lesser prospects.”
Another words Doc is staying in Toronto.LOL
“steve phillips just admitted that there are a lot of red sox fans @ espn and they are devastated”
yes like 85% of their personel. I expect it is Happy Hour this afternoon in Bristol, for the balance of the work day
I just dont believe that Yahoo guy when every other baseball insider is saying that the Sox havent made a formal offer to the Jays. Someone else would have heard something.
But what makes me happiest of all is that the steroid truth is coming out. The idea that the Yankees and a select few others bear the brunt of the steroid scandal is disgusting. It was a league wide issue. The list should be released so we can just get past it already.
But what makes me happiest of all is that the steroid truth is coming out. The idea that the Yankees and a select few others bear the brunt of the steroid scandal is disgusting. It was a league wide issue. The list should be released so we can just get past it already.
Steroid Nation!!
Red sox fans need to stop chanting you did steroids when A-Rod is at bat. Ortiz is the biggest fraud in sports he ripped players for using steroids.
“steve phillips just admitted that there are a lot of red sox fans @ espn and they are devastated”
They are also deaf, dumb and blind if they didn’t know that Ortiz was a user.
wsr,
good idea, but there is no way they wanted the “face of baseball” to be outed.
Rosenthal and Morosi have a source saying things are “very quiet” on the Halladay front. Still, the Dodgers, Angels, Rangers, Rays, and Red Sox remain interested.
Scranton: According to a cabbie on the way back from Seacrets a couple nights ago, it’s a very slow season Monday-Thursday but the weekends have been about normal. It seems slightly less crowded than usual on the beach today, but by no means empty.
wsr,
I thought the same exact thing. I wonder if the Red Sox are trading for a big bat and are going to bench Ortiz and wanted the fans and media to turn on him and not question his demotion?
That’s the typical Red Sox playbook.
When they are done with you, they turn the dogs on you.
“It’ll be interesting to see what Curt Schilling has to say about this.”
Okay, okay….the blood was fake too.
For the record, I will be very happy when the trade deadline has come and gone. This Halladay stuff is so tired and old.
Big Boy-
If Jeter, or Mo are ever on that list, I….I…..I…. would be stunned. I may never watch the Yankees again if that happened. But if players like Mussina, Jeter, Mo, Ripken,etc. come out of this whole mess clean, then they will be looked up as god’s probably.
this ortiz thing should give other teams more leverage in trade negotiations.
Hank Steinbrenner was right about the Mitchell Report. Mitchell who is a red sox employee did not investigate red sox players. It was an attack on the new york yankees. Good job by the new york times exposing big sloopy.
Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD
July 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Old school Old Pro course. Polynesian course, Safari course, Pirate course. 54 holes, brothers vs brothers. Two Yankee fans (my brother and I) vs. a Red Sox fan and a Cubs fan (my cousins). My brother and I won by 22 strokes and 18 skins. Total domination. Monetary stakes were low. The bragging rights are priceless.
sounds like fun. They buyin the crabcakes?
yellow teeth on ESPN radio
Boston Roid Sox… I LOVE IT
he just compared ortiz being outed to “chinese water torture”
I mean, really.
Gammons this is.
Seriously. Just release the list.
So much time/breath/typing gets wasted everytime another “shocking” name gets leaked. Someone dropped the ball and didn’t destroy the “anonymous” results. You can’t have a list of 104 players and only leak 4 of them. The other 100 will all come out. Leaking them one at a time is a ridiculous waste of energy
Pete!
You are a real classy guy! I respect you even more every day I read your columns. A mixture of opinions and humor based on the truth.
Keep up the good work!!!
“I thought the same exact thing. I wonder if the Red Sox are trading for a big bat and are going to bench Ortiz and wanted the fans and media to turn on him and not question his demotion?
That’s the typical Red Sox playbook”
off hand, i can’t think of a Boston player this hasn’t happend to.
i’m still thinking…
gammons just said we havent heard any utility infielders or players of that skill level outed.
Yes we have Gammons, Ortiz.
Does anybody know if that fossil John Henry has tweeted yet today and what he said?
Sadly, I don’t even cringe when I hear of preformance enhancers in any sport. I haven’t been around long enough to witness anything clean and that’s all I’ve ever known.
maybe Pete ‘king’ Kelley, circa late 1800′s dead ball era ???
Laura – Release the list!!!
July 30th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
For the record, I will be very happy when the trade deadline has come and gone. This Halladay stuff is so tired and old.
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Laura, I am 100% with you. Wake me at 4:01 tomorrow
now we just need pujols’ name to be exposed and we can finally move on.
I just have to ask, all of you going to see the Yankees v Red Sox when they come to town, please leave the foam syringes and the “Roid Sox Nation” and “PED Papi” signs at home. How many times have we sat hear and said, “I can’t believe those stupid hypocritical Boston fans hold those things up, when we know that Manny and Papi have been using!” It won’t make you look good, cool or funny, just stupid.
Gammons talking about how great Ortiz is and all his contributions to the community. He needs to stick it.
Didn’t NY times just give up their share of the Red Sox or something like that?
“Does anybody know if that fossil John Henry has tweeted yet today and what he said?”
He will tweet about Yankees or yankee fans, per usual
Sorry Pete, we’ve earned every right to be smug. After going through this ordeal in 2004 about the “biggest collapse in sports history” and “the first world championship in 86 years” and how this was such a “feel good story,” it’s good to see the truth come out. Our team was dragged through the mud with the whole Pettite, Giambi, Clemens, and A-Rod business in the last couple of years while the Red Sox have skated away from similar scrutiny. What goes around comes around. We all knew that David Ortiz’ sudden emergence was a little suspicious. This doesn’t invalidate their ’04 and ’07 titles because I’m sure that other teams in those playoffs had juicers. But let’s not make the ‘roid problem a Yankee problem. It’s an MLB problem and it also raises conflict of interest issues regarding the Mitchell Report.
Sorry Pete, we’ve earned every right to be smug. After going through this ordeal in 2004 about the “biggest collapse in sports history” and “the first world championship in 86 years” and how this was such a “feel good story,” it’s good to see the truth come out. Our team was dragged through the mud with the whole Pettite, Giambi, Clemens, and A-Rod business in the last couple of years while the Red Sox have skated away from similar scrutiny. What goes around comes around. We all knew that David Ortiz’ sudden emergence was a little suspicious. This doesn’t invalidate their ’04 and ’07 titles because I’m sure that other teams in those playoffs had juicers. But let’s not make the ‘roid problem a Yankee problem. It’s an MLB problem and it also raises conflict of interest issues regarding the Mitchell Report.
I’m gonna be smug as hell right now. I live in this town, and they were merciless on A-Rod, and they *worship* Big Papi here. The man hasn’t paid for a meal in 5 years. He has been *incredibly* vocal about not taking steroids, and it was all just a lie.
The Sox fans were idiotic to think that they were all clean. It’s a sham. God I hate the Red Sox. God this feels good.
If the Rotoinfo list is fraudulent, someone did an excellent job in compliling the names. It looks quite legitimate to me with very few surprises. It’s probably as reliable as the source that disclosed A-Rod, Manny and Papi.
Hokie – I agree with you partially. But we have to at least once because it will make news and put more shame to their ballclub.
Anybody expect Cashman to make a deal that we haven’t heard any rumors about? Or is he REALLY staying quite this deadline…
Hmmm… I wonder if Pedro’s on the list… Could him pushing Zimmer have been ‘roid rage?
“Does anybody know if John Henry has tweeted yet today and what he said?”
the last thing i read he was paraphrasing some obscure darth vader quote
BDave 2.0
you picked a good day to shorten your screen name
New thread up
If the Boston brass have any influence, the list will be “formally” leaked to take the heat off Beantown and spread it about.
“He just compared ortiz being outed to “chinese water torture”
Looking at Ortiz might be chinese water torture but having him outed?? That’s more like the ancient indian concept of KARMA.
““It’ll be interesting to see what Curt Schilling has to say about this.””
It’ll be something to the effect of what Papi said about ARod…keep your grains of salt handy. NOBODY can be trusted until the legit clean players start demanding the players association release the whole list. guilt by association…
OK….maybe I’ll just call Mitchell a scoundrel. Or a weasel. Or a scumbag.
Oh No!!!! cant be true, not manny and ortiz? who coulda thunk that?
Oh, so maybe Pedro WAS actually ‘roid rage… Missed this story back in February…
http://www.sportsofboston.com/.....tiz-pedro/
“Yankee fans should not be smug about this.”
Easy to say when you havent lived in New England and took unmerciful grief from Red Sox fans. It’s time for Yankee fans in New England to have a good hard laugh at the expense of every pompous blowhard Sox fan that tormented them. Have at it brothers & sisters!
The Stadium needs to start a 1918 chant followed by an ’04 doesn’t count’ one:
1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
Put Mickey Mantle back in his rightful place on the HR list. When they said Ramirez went past him the other night I wanted to chuck.
Let the 1918 chant resume at Yankee Stadium, if only to get under the skin of the Red Sox and their fans. Clearly we are not without guilt, but let’s have some fun with the arrogant and obnoxious Red Sox Nation for a little while. Bill Simmons, you brought this upon yourself, you arrogant chid.
1918! I’m a child too!!!
Every year is a world series year-
Yea, I feel your pain. I wasn’t even able to see the Yankees during the last dynasty. How unfortunate is that? I might be making some people look really old!
Drive 4-5,
Here,here!
earlier this year ortiz said anybody caught using should be suspended for 1 yr. when will ortiz suspend himself? today, tomorrow, over the weekend, LOL!!!
Would love to see what Henry’s tweet has to say about this? Even though we’re as guilty with AROID and ROGER, we should bring back 1918 chant next week.
I don’t believe in punishing guys for what they did years ago, when what they did years ago wasn’t against the rules. But I do believe in making it all public.
I’d always thought that the Mitchell Report was a crock, a biased, incompetent mess of an analysis designed to make it seem as though the Yankees were more tainted than everyone else. Now my suspicions have been confirmed.
We will never know the extent of steroid use in the big leagues. Even if all of the names on that list are published, that wouldn’t constitute a list of all of the steroid users. it probably wouldn’t even be close. When you’ve got guys like Jim Parque, who was far from a star, admitting to having used steroids, who knows how many there really were? No one is surprised to find the big-time sluggers on the list, but I’d bet that most would be surprised to find all the pitchers, and all the lesser-name position players that used the stuff. Steroid use was rampant. I think that there were players on all teams who used the stuff and, now that testing is more sophisticated, we’re starting to see what happens to players who relied on steroids to make ‘em what they were. David Ortiz is now a .225 hitter with some power, an older version of the guy who got dumped by Minnesota.
I say “rub it in to the Red Sox nation.” They deserve all the shame and embarrassment
they heaped on Yankees’ fans, and then some, those smug chowdaheads.
I know I should be above this…but, HaHaHaHaHaHa…Gotta love this new living in the North East.
Pete … I don’t know if we aren’t allowed to feel something about this … probably not smug … but boy oh boy after how the Red Sox fans reacted to A-Rod, Clemens and Pettitte, this sure does help a whole lot!
Manny is just dumb enough to make $50 million dollars. Wish I was that dumb.
There are at any time 750 players in the major leagues, so the fact that 103 tested positive means that about 15% of the players were using something. HOWEVER, I seriously doubt that all players were tested; in fact, it is reasonable that only about 20% were actually used. If that is a reasonable guess, then all of a sudden 65% of the players tested positive! Does anyone know the exact figures?
Not to be smug, but is it possible Congress will have a Mitchell Investigation?
LOL
God Im glad someone with a public forum brought up the absolute mockery that was the Mitchell Report. That was so disgustingly biased, to this day I can not believe Major League Baseball allowed that one way SOB to write what was considered the “beginning and end all” report of all things steroids in baseball. What a joke that was.
It must be hard for Gammons to hold down his gig at ESPN while doing PR for the Sox.
Andy from NJ
July 30th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Just think of what Mo’s post season numbers would be like minus the spanking he took from Ortiz in 04 ALCS.
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What “spanking”? All I remember is one, maybe 2 sac flies Ortiz managed off Rivera.
I ALWAYS KNEW ORTIZ DID SOMETHING. COME ON JUST LOOK AT HIM, ITS KIND OF OBVIOUS! http://askthecollegekid.blogspot.com/
Yankee fans that questioned the Mitchell Report were put down as nothing more then conspiracy nuts. But, it’s pretty obvious that Bud Selig and the Lords of Baseball did not want anyone knowing that Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz, etc. were on the juice.
Which brings the same arguement I have made since the beginning. The players are the ones being scapegoated here. MLB not only knew about steroid use, but openly supported the players doing them. Selig fought to prevent testing and it was only when Congress threatened to remove the anti-trust law, did he relent.
MLB created an atmosphere that told players that if you want to be rich and famous, you need to take steroids.
This is something that also dates back to the sixties. Sen. Henry Waxman reported in 1973 that steroid use was rampant. And, Hank Aaron’s size and home run record increased to career highs.
But, the truth isn’t something everyone is interested in.
Just as we turn a blind eye to professional basketball players that are bigger then pro-wrestlers. The NFL has players that make Hulk Hogan seem small in comparison and we ignore the DEATH RATE the NFL has. Hollywood actors and music artists are all on the juice. And, look at all the professional wrestlers that have died under the age of 45.
Let’s stop pretending that we really care about steroids.
I had a little fun writing on my blog today about David Ortiz, Manny Ramirez, the 2004 ALCS, and Red Sox Nation.
Read it here!
http://balmer.typepad.com/keithsmooth/
Sports, Pop Culture, & Satire
I’ve always hated AJ Pierzynski.
I am so happy that the Sox’s have problems. The list should be exposed and all the name shown. Take that Red Sox nation.