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Is Hughes being readied to start again?

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

Are the Yankees trying to stretch out Phil Hughes?

July 23: 2.0 innings, 28 pitches
July 24: off
July 25: off
July 26: 1.1 innings, 39 pitches
July 27: off
July 28: off
July 29: off
July 30: 2.0 innings, 35 pitches

Probably not. But he’s certainly throwing more pitches per appearance than the average set-up man would. It’s probably just circumstance, but bears watching. If he throws 45 pitches on Tuesday, something is up.

Regardless, Hughes is at 62.1 innings in the majors after throwing 19.1 at Scranton. He has lot left in the tank.

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563 Responses to “Is Hughes being readied to start again?”

  1. carl July 31st, 2009 at 9:51 am

    Doubt it

  2. aado July 31st, 2009 at 9:51 am

    That was the exact thought that I had when they brought him out to start the ninth.

  3. Tom B July 31st, 2009 at 9:51 am

    this is the only chance we have to keeping joba under innings, just need to stretch hughes enough to make 5 starts.

  4. JRVJ July 31st, 2009 at 9:52 am

    I agree that a lot of this is coincidence driven, but we will have a better idea of what will become of Phil after the trade deadline today (i.e., if the Yankees don’t get anyone or if they get a good releiver, the likelihood of Phil starting goes up. If they get a starter, then it probably goes down).

  5. Bill July 31st, 2009 at 9:52 am

    If they are not it is a pretty odd way to use your EIG. The NYY are very guarded in their plans for Joba/ PH. I think a lot depends upon what happens today. It depends upon whether or not they get pitching help and what kind, SP or RP.

  6. Joba and Hughes swap July 31st, 2009 at 9:54 am

    Of course he is, like I said here yesterday, this is the only scenario that makes sense, assuming management wants to keep Joba’s innings in check and wants to build Hughes up for starting next year. Those two will be switching roles within a month, unless of course they acquire a dependable starter in the next few weeks.

  7. @HSILVERM11375 July 31st, 2009 at 9:54 am

    I think it is more like 1996 MO

  8. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 9:54 am

    The problem though is who, then, fills the void in the bullpen if he goes back to the rotation? The answer is not Joba since it doesn’t seem like his arm reacted well to yo-yoing between bullpen & rotation last year, and it seems like his innings limit will be dealt with by skipping starts.

    Unless they are getting Heath Bell (seems like the price is too high for him) or some other late-inning reliever, I don’t think this is happening, especially since Aceves has come up lame lately. I think they just view Hughes as someone capable of throwing more pitches than your average set-up man because he had been a starter. But they should also notice how this affected Aceves this year: starter his whole career, leaned on to fluctuate between short outings and sometimes 2-3 innings out of the bullpen, now his shoulder hurts.

  9. austinmac July 31st, 2009 at 9:55 am

    I simply think he has been throwing a lot of pitches for an inning or two. Thirty-five or forty pitches for 1.1-2 innings doesn’t translate too well into a starter. Perhaps, he is being more caustious becasue of the game situations he has come into.

  10. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 9:55 am

    quick question…last night I noticed Pettitte talking to himself ALOT out there on the mound. I feel like I’ve watched him pitch before and never noticed this, but I’m not the most astute observer. Does he normally do this? And if so, does anyone know what he’s saying out there?

  11. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 9:57 am

    “The problem though is who, then, fills the void in the bullpen if he goes back to the rotation? The answer is not Joba since it doesn’t seem like his arm reacted well to yo-yoing between bullpen & rotation last year, and it seems like his innings limit will be dealt with by skipping starts.”

    If he gets close to his limit he will go to the pen…he’s not going to just sit on the bench or at home for the rest of the season (at least I would hope not).

  12. S.A.--Serenity Now: Is it 4pm yet? July 31st, 2009 at 9:58 am

    I don’t think so, Mo would cry.
    But I do find it a bit curious the way they have been using him

  13. Joey's Poodle July 31st, 2009 at 9:58 am

    Pretty odd way to use your closer, actually.

    Mo should not have been in a 4-run game and he should have been in last night.

    Where has Girardi stored his brain? Somebody find the receipt so he can check it back out …

  14. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 9:59 am

    I very much doubt it, infact if they were which I very much doubt they are finding out how past 30 pitches Yussssse becomes very hittable b/c his command just isn’t the same.

  15. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:00 am

    (from previous thread)

    mel, if there is a good day to keep SportsCenter on in the background, this certainly is it! (Or MLB tv if that’s your thing, thought I must admit I haven’t gotten as used to that as I thought I would.)

  16. Bill from NJ July 31st, 2009 at 10:00 am

    If Joba’s inning limit is 160, he can essentially only make 3 more starts to get to 130 IP. Then the last 30 IP, he moves to the pen for the stretch run/playoffs.

    So, what are the Yankees going to do without Joba, and with a suspect Mitre? They need to get another SP today.

  17. Harry G July 31st, 2009 at 10:01 am

    I really hope this is the case. Hughes needs to get up there in his innings. If he stays in the pen, he’ll only get to around 90-100 inn max. Then next year, without Wang (at least to start the season) & probably without Pettitte, what do we do? Whereas if he starts now, he can get up to his cap, which I have no idea what exactly is, but i would assume at least 130 IP, no?

    So to me, the solution to Joba’s inn limit is simple. Transition him into the pen in September, & get Hughes to take his spot in the rotation. People, let’s be real, we can’t count on Sergio Mitre.

    And we’re one injury away from the rotation situation being a total disaster. I mean, could U imagine if AJ goes down for any length of time? Given hjis history, U have to have a backup plan just in case it happens.

    On the other hand, a rotation of CC, AJ, Hughes, Andy heading into the playoffs is very good….

  18. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 10:01 am

    Re: Joba, he wouldn’t have to sit on the bench if they start skipping him intermittently when they have a chance starting like, now. He would pitch on longer rest than usual, but I just don’t think the idea of him going back to being a short reliever in late August/Sept.,then back to being a starter for the playoffs is a smart idea.

  19. carl July 31st, 2009 at 10:01 am

    Joba and Phil in the BP for August/September yuuuuum

  20. Coach6423 July 31st, 2009 at 10:02 am

    IF you switch Joba and Hughes roles you are setting them both up for injury.

  21. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:02 am

    5 hours and 59 minutes until the trade deadline passes!!!

  22. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:02 am

    “Mo should not have been in a 4-run game and he should have been in last night.”

    they used Mo the night before. We can’t use him everyday. IDK what oart of that ppl don’t understand.

  23. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 10:03 am

    “Re: Joba, he wouldn’t have to sit on the bench if they start skipping him intermittently when they have a chance starting like, now. He would pitch on longer rest than usual, but I just don’t think the idea of him going back to being a short reliever in late August/Sept.,then back to being a starter for the playoffs is a smart idea.”

    Even if you skip him every other start he only has 3 or so left…that might get you to the postseason but I doubt it. and if it does, he still would be done for the playoffs.

  24. m July 31st, 2009 at 10:03 am

    repost:

    upstate kate,

    The extended outing for Phil was surprising to me. What they do with him will probably depend on:

    1. The state of Ace’s shoulder
    2. What they do about Joba’s IP limits
    3. If they can acquire a set-up/closer type today
    4. How Sergio Mitre does
    5. If they acquire a starter

    Cases for keeping him in the pen:

    1. Andy’s back on track
    2. Joba’s in the driver’s seat
    3. Bruney-fail
    4. Marte-milk carton?
    5. He’s a really, really good reliever

    I would love for him to lose his Panamanian accent and go back to being SoCal Phil, though! But I can wait until the spring.

  25. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 10:04 am

    “and if it does, he still would be done for the playoffs.”

    No, innings limits are thrown out the window for the playoffs, so has said Brian Cashman in the past. So Joba and Hughes’ limits are only meaningful from now until the end of September, then we start all over.

  26. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:04 am

    “IF you switch Joba and Hughes roles you are setting them both up for injury.”

    That’s another thing ppl don’t understand. Changing thier routines drastically will be the recipe that can hurt them again.

  27. m July 31st, 2009 at 10:05 am

    trisha,

    Don’t have mlb network, are you talking mlb.tv on the computer?

    But I got tired of “married with children”, so I had already switched it to espnews because you guys were making it sound so interesting!

  28. Vince July 31st, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Peter “Mr. Objective” Gammons most certainly had to lump any team as tarnished World Champions for the past 10 years as long as he could get the Yankees in the mix.
    The ultimate hoot cannot resist spinning a negative report on “his” Red Socks.

  29. ArodMVP217 July 31st, 2009 at 10:08 am

    don’t want him to become too tight is all, most likely

  30. Coach6423 July 31st, 2009 at 10:09 am

    Brandon,

    Absolutely. I am a huge believer that the back and forth is what messed with Joba’s shoulder.

  31. m July 31st, 2009 at 10:10 am

    I can totally see why they would stretch Phil out. If they truly were concerned about taking on salary (doubt it), or unable to get someone better than Sergio then the logical thing to do would be to start him again.

    I think they would do it with Aceves if his shoulder wasn’t barking.

    The only problem is they don’t have anyone (besides Joba) to replace his role as the EIG (who gets used every 3 days. lol.

  32. Dr Teeth July 31st, 2009 at 10:10 am

    the only thing more tarnished than Peter Gammons yellow snaggleteeth are his beloved Red Sox championships

  33. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 31st, 2009 at 10:11 am

    From last thread;

    “Gotta be honest. I really like it. Also, if you ditch it how will we know its you?”

    Prior to the news that Halladay is available I was known as simply Patrick.

    I guess I AM the other guy you’re referring to that argues with everyone.

    “trust me, with patrick, we’ll know it’s him :)

    Thanks randy, that’s nice of you to say.

  34. Doink Da Clown July 31st, 2009 at 10:12 am

    Enough with this inning limits garbage. It’s as stupid as the “pitch count”. You never heard this garbage 10 years ago. Joba is 23 years old!! 23!! I think he could handle 170-180 innings.

    What’s the point of an innings limit if it’s thrown out the window in the postseason? So he goes 30 innings over what the Yankees wanted him out. Big deal. What if half those innings are stress free and he only throws 10 pitches per? Joba is just starting to showcase how nasty he could be as a starter. Maybe he gets stronger as the season goes on.

    Shutting him down for any period of time is beyond stupid.

    An extra 30 innnings isn’t going to make his arm fall off. Stop babying these guys and lets see what they got.

    Innings limit was fine 2 years ago but enough is enough!

  35. upstate kate July 31st, 2009 at 10:12 am

    I don’t think Joba will go to the pen- too much of a risk of injury. I don’t think Phil is going into the rotation this year either, maybe just getting extra work to prepare for next year.

  36. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 31st, 2009 at 10:14 am

    I have to agree, Mo should have been in the game last night.

    Yes Brandon we know he can’t pitch every night but he can pitch 2 nights in a row. That argument is goofy.

    The bottom of the 9th was the most important part of the game. A run scores and the Yankees lose. You have to use your best guy in that situation to keep the game going. Can’t preserve Mo for a save situation that might never happen.

  37. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Patrick the Prospect Hugger
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:11 am
    From last thread;

    “Gotta be honest. I really like it. Also, if you ditch it how will we know its you?”

    Prior to the news that Halladay is available I was known as simply Patrick.

    I guess I AM the other guy you’re referring to that argues with everyone.

    ***

    Oh. Oops. :oops:
    Well, I guess you eluded me with the name change. I thought you were a new person. LOL. PTPH made you seem all warm and fuzzy!

  38. m July 31st, 2009 at 10:14 am

    I can’t believe they panicked and brought back Wang early. In addition to probably exacerbating his shoulder condition, it took the 6th starter out of the equation when the 7th starter was already out of commission, and the 7th starter was already in the pen.

    I will look at it as a blessin in disguise, though, as I think that Phil learned a lot since he went to the pen.

  39. henner July 31st, 2009 at 10:16 am

    do you guys think theyre preparing to make hughes a starter again?

  40. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:16 am

    “Me and David, we’re like two mountains,” Ramirez said. “We’re going to keep doing good no matter what … . Only God is going to be able to move those two mountains.”

    The Manny version of the mountain has hit a tremendous .215 in the last week, a mountainous .174 in the last week. I’m sure it’s his pregnancy hormones that are messing with his ability to hit. After all he is a mountain. Oh wait, only God is going to be able to move those two mountains? Hmmmm.

    Is that the same thing as karma?

    :)

  41. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:17 am

    My dad is crediting himself with ruining the career of Jason Bay. He put him on his fantasy team and its been a sharp decline ever since

  42. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:17 am

    After what happened with Joba last year, I can’t see them making the same mistake twice and moving Phil into the rotation.

    He has bolstered the once depleted pen and they can scoop up one or two 4th/5th starters anytime they want if they’re willing to take on the extra salary.

  43. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:18 am

    When Manny failed his drug test in May- didn’t he claim he never failed one before? FAIL

  44. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:19 am

    mel, I’m talking MLB on the television. You don’t have mlbtv?

  45. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:19 am

    “Me and David, we’re like two mountains,” Ramirez said. “We’re going to keep doing good no matter what … . Only God is going to be able to move those two mountains.”

    ——-

    when is the last time you heard any news on Manny and said “he seems like a nice guy” ?

    I can’t remember reading news about this guy that didnt make him sound obnoxious and selfish.

    Manny is a grade-A scumbag

    IMO

  46. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 31st, 2009 at 10:20 am

    haha Erica no worries.

    Don’t let the prospect hugging fool you. I might hug the prospects but I kick stupid blog posters!

  47. BlueshirtBrawler July 31st, 2009 at 10:20 am

    “Joba and Phil in the BP for August/September yuuuuum”

    Yeah great and you have Aceves and Mitre starting 2 out of every 5 days. Not so yummmm.

  48. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:21 am

    “Brandon,

    Absolutely. I am a huge believer that the back and forth is what messed with Joba’s shoulder.”

    When you go from popping blood vessels every other day a max effort to every 5-6 days at an ironman like effort, think this if your body gets into a technique or routine the muscle memory becomes that much more important. Hughes as a SP as much as I want him there he can’t this yr. b/c his body is already into a routine, to drastically change it to a point where his muscle memory goes from I got to throw 30 pitches to I have to throw 60 to 90 to 100, your messing w/ his set routine that’s going to hurt him quicker than anything, also as a SP Yussse is yet to have 1 healthy season.

    Joba going from his routine to the BP same thing. They are in a set routine to drastically change it your playing w/ fire.

  49. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 10:21 am

    I doubt Hughes is being stretched out to start, I think it’s more of an attempt to get him innings.

  50. Stateman52 July 31st, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Washburn and or Bannister will join the Yankees today so the pitching staff will be well stocked.

  51. Stateman52 July 31st, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Washburn and or Bannister will join the Yankees today so the pitching staff will be well stocked.

  52. CB July 31st, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Joel Sherman with an interesting note from his blog:

    “For example, I heard that Cashman told Seattle executives that he might be able to put a trade for Jarrod Washburn in place and not be given approval to add the approximately $3.7 million remaining on the lefty’s contract.”

    Up to the past 2 days we’ve heard very little about the yankees actually being involved with trades.

    Most of what we’ve heard is about their general position to be hesitant to take on more money after this past winter.

    Now over the last 24 hours we’ve heard 3 rumors about the yankees actually involved with deals – one on Bannister and two on Washburn.

    That leak to Sherman sounds like it came from the Yankees.

    Yankees don’t lay their business out in public anymore.

    When they leak a rumor they want that information out there. They want it to be known.

    And to me, when I hear other people in a negotiation keep talking about not wanting to spend money it’s usually a tactic to build leverage.

    It’s the kind of tactic that parties with money will hold over the head of those that don’t. The kind of tactic you use when you’re the last game in town.

    It makes the guys without the money somewhat more desperate. It makes them chase a little more.

    It’ll be interesting to see what if anything the team does today.

    Sherman’s concluded that the Sox will definitely make a splash today (for a bat) and the yankees will sit tight because they did their spending in the off season.

    We’ll see. I think the yankees are trying to pull off a big move. Might not happen. But I think they are trying.

  53. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:22 am

    I thank God for many things. One is for making me a Yankee fan (a la DiMag…), another is the Ortiz story hitting right now. Thanks NY Times!!! Hey how funny is this? The Times sells its share of the Boston Globe and right after that the Ortiz story drops out of the sky. That’s not a little fishy. Anyway, I wasn’t real happy with the Times being associated with Boston so it’s all good. But I digress. This story helps me not focus on trade talk. I always like diversion!

    :)

  54. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Patrick the Prospect Hugger
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:20 am
    haha Erica no worries.

    Don’t let the prospect hugging fool you. I might hug the prospects but I kick stupid blog posters!

    **

    Well said!

  55. Chambliss July 31st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Hughes seemed to tire quickly last night during the second inning of his appearance. He left several pitches up in the zone to Dye.

    He has been great, and his role is well established with the team. I sure hope that they are not screwing around with him at this point.

    I would rather take what’s left from Pittsburgh’s staff (if they have anyone left) than try to move Hughes from the pen. Hughes needs to be stretched out in the offseason, not now.

  56. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:23 am

    If Joba is going to pitch like he’s pitching, it’s a no-brainer that you find a way for him to remain in the rotation for the rest of the season.

    The Yankees surely have their sights on the playoffs, rightfully so, and Joba would be a deadly #3 starter (the kind that helps win titles).

    If they have to rest him, they’ll rest him. The bullpen should be an absolute last resort.

  57. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:24 am

    “Joel Sherman with an interesting note from his blog:”

    How funny is this? As soon as I see Joel Sherman I totally discredit the rest so don’t bother reading on. But I always do that with any poop Sherman drops. I find him at the bottom of the believability barrel.

  58. Patrick the Stupid Blog Poster Kicker July 31st, 2009 at 10:25 am

    Don’t mess with me.

  59. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:26 am

    I also don’t think they’ll shut Joba down b/c it’s prbly not even the innings cap it’s an IP/P count. Joba is averaging 16 pitches per inning, I doubt that’s enough to drop him off the rotation w/ the thought of hurting him. Remember one can finish an inning w/ 3-9 pitches just as well as 16, they’ll chart it down and find out he should be okay to continue, they’ll prbly skip 2 starts max.

  60. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:26 am

    I also find it interesting that all of the information in the news regarding the Yankees at the trade deadline says “there has been no approval to increase the payroll”

    Is this the same line we are supposed to believe like during the offseason when the Yankees were supposedly trying to cut payroll and then signed 3 pricey free agents?

  61. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:27 am

    the fact that Carl Pavano projects to fall just short of being a type-B free agent status is laughable

    that system needs to be revamped

  62. Robbykid July 31st, 2009 at 10:27 am

    Now Bronson Arroyo…

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4368436

  63. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:27 am

    I wonder if there are going to be any lohud posters who are inconsolable if the Yankees don’t make any moves. It appears at least a few are convinced something has to be afoot!

    :)

    Hey Brandon, I’m your counterpart of AWESOME in that I am totally chill and can deal with any Yankee eventuality even before it happens! I just don’t expend any energy wondering and worrying.

    :D

  64. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:29 am

    Robbykid, we were on that in the previous thread. Pete unfortunately threw out a new subject and chilled the more interesting conversation (IMHO of course).

    :)

  65. William Buckner July 31st, 2009 at 10:29 am

    “Sherman’s concluded that the Sox will definitely make a splash today (for a bat) and the yankees will sit tight because they did their spending in the off season.

    We’ll see. I think the yankees are trying to pull off a big move. Might not happen. But I think they are trying.”

    Totally agree. I do think the Sox will move for a bat. They have the money, the prospects, and a need.

    And with the Joba limits, Wang injury, and lack of AAA pitching depth, I’d be totally shocked if the Yankees did not make a pitching move.

    What level, IDK? My guess, Bannister type. My hope, Zack Duke from Pitt.

  66. ArodMVP217 July 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am

    I wonder what the price for Betancourt was.. he always pitches well when he plays us. You know Cashman asked

  67. Robbykid July 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Sorry Trish—I am still just in disbelief of all this!! You do not understand how many sleepless nights i spent after the yanks lost in 2004, then when the red sox won again in 2007…..

  68. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am

    trisha, you should read that post. It’s very interesting. If it’s a post by CB, it’s worth the read.

  69. Jerkface July 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am

    The yankees almost assuredly have something more sophisticated than a generic IP count.

    Joba will start to the end of the season.

  70. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Patrick, I had really gotten used to your “prospect hugger” moniker. In fact, I love it. Why can’t you continue to use it? Once a prospect hugger, always a prospect hugger right? The Yanks will always have prospects that need protection!

  71. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am

    “Is this the same line we are supposed to believe like during the offseason when the Yankees were supposedly trying to cut payroll and then signed 3 pricey free agents?”

    I think that was pretty legit until the opportunity to get Teixeira manifested itself. For a player of that ilk, you make budget adjustments. Unless we’re talking about Halladay, there’s nobody out there who’d compel you to do it again. Remember any money they take on is taxed at 40%.

  72. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    trisha – OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:27 am
    I wonder if there are going to be any lohud posters who are inconsolable if the Yankees don’t make any moves. It appears at least a few are convinced something has to be afoot!

    ***

    Trisha-

    I believe something is coming. If I am wrong, I will be much more annoyed that I was wrong (I hate being wrong!!). At the end of the day whether the Yanks make moves or not makes no difference in how I sleep tonight

  73. Swing Batter Batter July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Well, if they don’t make a trade for another starter, what choice will they have? Kei Igawa? F that noise.

  74. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Padres wanted both Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Heath Bell.

    are they out of their minds?

    in a way, that’s like trading Miguel Cabrera for Heath Bell

  75. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 10:33 am

    “Sherman’s concluded that the Sox will definitely make a splash today (for a bat) and the yankees will sit tight because they did their spending in the off season.”

    If he’s right he’ll be applauded, but if he’s wrong, no one will care.

    I’m going to go ahead and make a BOLD prediction regarding the trade deadline…The Red Sox will make a big move, unless the number of prospects that have to give up is too much to part with. Also, the Yankees will make a move for pitching help unless they decide to wait to see what comes down the waiver wire after the deadline…this seems easy, maybe I should be a sports analyst too.

  76. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:33 am

    LOL Trisha.

    I wonder if the Yankees are going after Zach Duke :? I mean PIT is in fire sale mode, they are our AAAA affiliate. Who knows, it’s great to have today off of work. I’ll be updated to the minute today :D

  77. William Buckner July 31st, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Swing Batter Batter,

    Don’t forget Josh Towers.

  78. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Josh Towers isn’t welcome!

  79. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Rebecca, there are just some things I can’t bring myself to do, honestly. One is to read Sherman. I just won’t do it. Also, and I admit to this, I don’t have any avid interest in hearing anyone’s version of what trades may or may not occur. I’m with Hokiehill in pretty much waiting til I hear the real deal, and that is only when and if it is announced by the organization. Too many balloons floated for my happiness!

  80. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 10:35 am

    “The yankees almost assuredly have something more sophisticated than a generic IP count.”

    Hopefully it’s more sophisticated then the seat pricing system they used…

  81. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:35 am

    “SI’s Jon Heyman says the Ms asked for catcher Jesus Montero from the Yankees for Washburn and were rebuffed. ”

    -MLBTR

  82. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 10:35 am

    BD: Will Carroll via twitter was reporting similar. Padres want 1-2 top prospects. They’re really overreaching.

  83. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:36 am

    “Padres wanted both Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Heath Bell.”

    Can’t expect any less. This is what they should be aiming for.

  84. carl July 31st, 2009 at 10:36 am

    Gammons and Buster are about to speak on Arroyo espn

  85. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:36 am

    “Trisha-

    I believe something is coming. If I am wrong, I will be much more annoyed that I was wrong (I hate being wrong!!). At the end of the day whether the Yanks make moves or not makes no difference in how I sleep tonight”

    Erica, I didn’t mean to mix those two metaphors. I am just referring to the posters who feel something has to happen in order for the Yankees to continue to exist as an organization! :) It may well be that something is coming. No matter what, it’s all good. I’ll sleep well also.

  86. carl July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    # BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:35 am

    “SI’s Jon Heyman says the Ms asked for catcher Jesus Montero from the Yankees for Washburn and were rebuffed. ”

    -MLBTR

    Yankees have the best prospects :)

  87. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    “Gammons and Buster are about to speak on Arroyo espn”

    Cool.

  88. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    ““SI’s Jon Heyman says the Ms asked for catcher Jesus Montero from the Yankees for Washburn and were rebuffed. ”

    -MLBTR”

    Heyman said last night Yanks’ untouchables for Washburn were Hughes, Joba, Montero, Romine and Jackson but other than that Seattle could take their pick.

    Then again, this is Heyman, so tread carefully.

  89. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    “SI’s Jon Heyman says the Ms asked for catcher Jesus Montero from the Yankees for Washburn and were rebuffed.”

    waits for Rebecca’s response in 3….2…1…

  90. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    “I wonder if the Yankees are going after Zach Duke I mean PIT is in fire sale mode, they are our AAAA affiliate.”

    Brandon the problem is that Pittsburgh has indicated that they are now done dealing after the Grabow/Gorzelanny trade. It seems like they are content to hold on to Duke for now, and I don’t really want Cashman to “blow them away” by offering too much for him when there might be other guys still attainable at a better price.

  91. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am

    If Jim Thome isn’t on that list, I will eat my hat. Or in the least say publicly I was sooo wrong to suspect him.

  92. Trevor July 31st, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Montero for Washburn? :lol:

  93. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:38 am

    ““Padres wanted both Cameron Maybin and Andrew Miller for Heath Bell.”

    Can’t expect any less. This is what they should be aiming for.”

    —————

    Then they don’t want to trade Heath Bell.

    Bell is a good reliever but it’s not like he’s a premium arm or a top 10 reliever… not even close.

    Asking for that much for an above avg reliever is going to tick of opposing GMs.

  94. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Brandon: Bell is a reliever. Unless you’re out dealing Joakim Soria, you should NEVER pay that much for a reliever.

  95. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Check out Nomar the liar!!!

  96. SJ44 July 31st, 2009 at 10:39 am

    CB,

    that was the same conclusion of the scouts I sat with last night.

    The Yankees have no problem taking on money for the right player.

    They won’t take it on for a “JAG”, Just Another Guy.

    FWIW, we did find out the REAL untouchable list:

    Joba, Phil, Austin, Jesus and Romine. Those are the guys the Yankees have told everybody are completely off limits.

    Let’s hope the D is better tonight for Mitre since he pitches to contact.

  97. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:39 am

    Rebecca,

    I’m counting on you to relay any important Tweets!

  98. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:39 am

    “Brandon the problem is that Pittsburgh has indicated that they are now done dealing after the Grabow/Gorzelanny trade. It seems like they are content to hold on to Duke for now, and I don’t really want Cashman to “blow them away” by offering too much for him when there might be other guys still attainable at a better price.”

    Why? so they can make him suffer some more? Duke is gonna want to hang himself.

  99. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Gammons and Buster on ESPN right now

  100. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 10:40 am

    BD: No problem, but I’m going to hop in the shower, so you’re on your own for a little bit.

    I’ll ReTweet everything when I get back =)

  101. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Now Bronson Arroyo is defending them. This is unbelievable. If David took something, it didnt make them who they were?? It certainly made Ortiz who he was. He was a bum preRedSox.

    And Nomar is making up a bogus story about players who said they would take the positive without actually taking the test.

    Where was anybody defending Alex, when he was actually truthful.

  102. Robbykid July 31st, 2009 at 10:41 am

    Jim Thome has the “steroid type numbers”

    2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004 were arguably his best years…smack in the middle of the steriod years….

  103. S.A.--Serenity Now: Is it 4pm yet? July 31st, 2009 at 10:41 am

    I can’t even imagine what it’s like to be a Pittsburgh Pirates fan(if there are any left). They really are a AAAA now

  104. m July 31st, 2009 at 10:41 am

    CB,

    Totally agree with your stance there.

    As one AL GM said, “That means they’re all in”.

    I think it’s an all or nothing thing. Halladay or bust. Like Cashman said, we have players in-house. And they’re probably as good as what you’re going to get on the trade market.

    But Halladays aren’t made available very often. And for whatever reason (I’m a conspiracy theorist on this one), JP has priced himself out of the market on this one. No one is willing to give up a top prospect for Doc. So, does he give him up for a second rate package from the Dodgers, Angels? Or deal with the Rangers who shouldn’t even be shopping with their payroll issues. Or does he take a value-added package?

    The Yankees have been quiet, too quiet. Could it be double or nothing?

  105. Robbykid July 31st, 2009 at 10:42 am

    I Hate Arroyo…

  106. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:43 am

    As far as I can ascertain, Manny and Ortiz both KNEW they were on the list.

    This “I’m shocked” bs that they are spewing is disgraceful.

  107. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 10:43 am

    “Duke is gonna want to hang himself.”

    They will end up dealing him eventually if they are still terrible and he starts to either get too expensive or is approaching free agency. So, all hope is not lost. It just seems like he’s going nowhere this year.

  108. Coach6423 July 31st, 2009 at 10:43 am

    Heymen reporting that Mariners asked for Montero for Washburn…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  109. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:44 am

    “Brandon: Bell is a reliever. Unless you’re out dealing Joakim Soria, you should NEVER pay that much for a reliever.”

    Rebecca he wouldnt be a GM unless he aims for that. Maybin isn’t killing the ball FLA is desperate for a CL or SU man, Towers is just trying to get what he can it’s not like he’s just trading some MRP…Heath Bell is one of the top CL is the game. In the top 5 range. Mo, Krod, Nathan, Bell, Papelscum.

  110. randy l. July 31st, 2009 at 10:44 am

    “Thanks randy, that’s nice of you to say.”

    patrick-

    can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but the blog wouldn’t be as good if people didn’t have strong opposing opinions.

  111. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Look at the smirk on Buster’s face saying the Yankees would not pick up 650k on Bannister’s contract.

    That is just so made up. If we could get Bannister for nothing, then 650k would not stop us.

    He made it up to make us look like fools. Boston Olney is so transparent.

  112. Swing Batter Batter July 31st, 2009 at 10:46 am

    Per Heyman, Seattle had the cajones to ask for Jesus Montero for Washburn?

    Bwahahahahahaha! There most be some pretty good drugs up there in Seattle.

  113. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:46 am

    “Sorry Trish—I am still just in disbelief of all this!! You do not understand how many sleepless nights i spent after the yanks lost in 2004, then when the red sox won again in 2007…..”

    Robbykid, of all things the season that killed my soul was 2006. I could understand 2004* (even more now!) what with the Yankee injuries, and weird stuff happened in 2007*, but I absolutely couldn’t tolerate the stupidity that brought about the 2006 demise. I think that’s I first filed for divorce from Joe Torre!

    :lol:

  114. jennifer July 31st, 2009 at 10:46 am

    God I hope the Yankees aren’t going after Bronson, boy that 5.17 era would look like 7.17 in the AL East. He is NOT the answer! I’d rather have Jared Washburn!

    Also Richard Neer was really ticking me off this morning. Why do they all feel the need to bring the Yankees and their championships into it? Did they do that when Alex was outed? I don’t think so! Yet they all feel the need to go, well Mike Stanton was on the list did he get big outs when he was juicing? Give me a break! Manny and Ortiz killed us the last 4 games! HMMM I think they had a much bigger effect.

  115. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:47 am

    If I were Cash I’d tell thim sure you can have Jesus when you trade me King Felix.

  116. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 10:47 am

    “Heath Bell is one of the top CL is the game. In the top 5 range. Mo, Krod, Nathan, Bell, Papelscum.”

    ———–

    gotta disagree with you on that one.

    Soria?

    Broxton?

    at best, he may be at the cusp of making top-10 but I’m not sure that many GM’s see it that way.

  117. Doink Da Clown July 31st, 2009 at 10:48 am

    Melky + 1 or 2 Lower Level Prospects for Brian Bannister & Ron Mahay.

    We can bring A Jackson up to patrol center until Gardner comes back, then they could split.

    Bannister gives us a decent #5 starter.
    And Ron Mahay could be that 2nd lefty in the pen since Marte can’t be counted on.

    Melky’s trade value will never be higher. I like Melky a lot but with Jackson here soon, Gardner showing he can hit a little this season, Melky is expendable.

    Tell me this isn’t a good deal…

  118. m July 31st, 2009 at 10:49 am

    SJ,

    Perhaps we’re seeing an effect of the economy here? Teams hugging their prospects, so to speak, because they’re cheaper?

    Sellers could be taking a tougher stance, too, because they should. Bell, Gonzo are good cost-controlled players.

  119. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 10:49 am

    Boston Dave 2.0

    Exactly. Nobody is calling Ortiz out for this.

    The reason why Ortiz struggled in first half this year was because he saw Alex get outed, so he thought he try it ‘clean’ this year. Then when he went back to David Arias performance, he had a visit from his father with his ‘fix’

  120. BellaSakura July 31st, 2009 at 10:49 am

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07.....hoden.html

    I love Rhoden’s article, especially when he talks about the clean players. I have no issue with guys not speaking up but you can’t get all ticked off because you’re labeled as the steroids era after the fact.

    And on another note, I love Marvin Miller. There was an event at my law school in the spring and a labor lawyer was giving me the spiel. I thought of Miller. He just makes me smile.

  121. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:49 am

    For anyone here who believes that you actually know at this point what one GM has said to another, I have a nice bridge for you in NY. But I will need the money, up front, all cash. Don’t be put off by a PO Box number. That’s how it’s done these days.

    ;)

  122. William Buckner July 31st, 2009 at 10:50 am

    “Tell me this isn’t a good deal…”

    this isn’t a good deal. Go to one WB/S game and you’ll see, AJax isn’t ready.

  123. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 10:50 am

    I doubt it. Also, he’s getting gassed after 30 or so pitches, not something you want to see in a starter. He should be getting stronger, not weaker. Maybe this has to do with the fact that his body is not used to the workload of a reliever and he’s experiencing some fatigue….

  124. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 10:51 am

    “Soria?

    Broxton?”

    Soria’s been hurt most of the season, Broxton is new to it but yeh you can make an arguement for him.

  125. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Patrick and Randy-

    Can you guys please just admit you are really in a bromance and go out for beers twice a week to laugh about the arguments you have on this blog? :-)

  126. Patrick from CT July 31st, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Not Likely.
    Phil will be in the Pen for the rest of the year. They will bring up another AAA guy before messing/risking Phil…
    Joba will be a starter untill he reaches his limit then he’ll go to the Pen with renewed Joba Rules…
    The Yankees need to aquire another starter in the next 2-3 weeks…

  127. Trevor July 31st, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Cashman hasn’t made a move or likely isn’t because teams are asking a lot even for back of the rotation pitchers. Montero for Washburn? Come on! I think money has little to do with why he hasn’t done anything yet.

  128. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 10:52 am

    SJ44,

    Things get done in boston because GMs get fleeced by the Red Sox.

    Ive said all along, just because they need a hitter, shouldnt mean they will get one. They have no leverage. With the Ortiz situation, they have even less leverage. It should be Buchholz and Bard or Buccholz + 2 more for Victor martinez.

    But we’ll see how they get handed V-Mart for nada.

  129. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 10:52 am

    Yankees can not in any way afford to trade Melky right now. Jackson can not be playing full-time in the majors. I would understand if he is up for 2 weeks until Gardner is ready again but no way is he replacing Melky on the roster this year. I would love to get Bannister and Mahay but I would only want to pay for them in prospects not on the untouchable list.

  130. CB July 31st, 2009 at 10:53 am

    “FWIW, we did find out the REAL untouchable list:

    Joba, Phil, Austin, Jesus and Romine. Those are the guys the Yankees have told everybody are completely off limits.”

    SJ,

    The whole point of that leak to Heyman last night was to do two things:

    1. Let everyone know that the yanks are in fact looking to make a deal. That they will not be sitting this out.

    2. Get that list of names out there.

    The yankees almost, never talk about specific names in any shape. They don’t implicate specific players.

    They wanted those names put out there publicly. They wanted those names known.

    Why? Mark Melancon is on the team. He’s not on the list. That can’t help him. Same thing for Brett Garner, Pena, or even Ivan Nova or Brackman, etc.

    They put those names out there through a leak so they could send a message and still maintain plausible deniability.

    Why would Cash ever sit down at the negotiating table with Zduriencik without before hand knowing that he could pay for Washburn if they agreed on talent?

    That is completely implausible. Sure we can work out a deal but I still gotta go check with Hal to see if the money will fly?

    No way.

    So that leak to Sherman was also planted for a reason.

    They want someone to know that they are ready to deal. They want someone to know these 5 guys are at the top of our list.

    And I don’t think the M’s and Jack Zduriencik are the primary audience for that message.

  131. Stultus Magnus July 31st, 2009 at 10:53 am

    If the Yanks get a top-quality reliever and not a starter, then I can see them stretching out Hughes.

  132. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:53 am

    Swing Batter Batter
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:46 am
    Per Heyman, Seattle had the cajones to ask for Jesus Montero for Washburn?

    Bwahahahahahaha! There most be some pretty good drugs up there in Seattle.

    ***
    Starbucks in Seattle is test marketing stores selling alcohol under a new store name. Must be the explanation

  133. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 10:54 am

    See, the Yankees are just going to find it impossible to do business; NO ONE wants to help them, even if it means at the expense of their own ballclub. Interestingly, they don’t mind helping the Sox.

    First it was Hughes and Joba, now it’s Montero. The Ms are not interested in doing business with the Yankees, that much is clear.

    I thought the problem was going to be Hal not loosening up the purse strings, but now I see that’s not the real problem. The real problem is that no one is interested in helping them even if it might help their own team. I think the Yankees are going to have to look within, find pitching on the scrap heap. There’s just no dealing with teams like the Mariners.

  134. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 10:54 am

    5 hours and 7 minutes until the trade deadline passes!!!

    So far, its been pretty quiet out there today

  135. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    “Soria’s been hurt most of the season, Broxton is new to it but yeh you can make an arguement for him.”

    Brandon Soria is healthy now, and Heath Bell is just as new to closing as Broxton. The asking price for Bell is just as crazy because he has just been closing from April-now, thus he is not in the same class as guys like Mo, Nathan, Papelbon who have been doing it for periods ranging from a few years to over a decade. So, Bell should not be costing Maybin and Andrew Miller. He made his name as a set up guy and this is his first taste of closing, no guarantee you are trading for the next Joe Nathan in getting him.

  136. Richie July 31st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Obviously, Hughes should be readied to start.

  137. Swing Batter Batter July 31st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    Of course, Peter Gammons’ response is, “Maybe the Sox titles are tainted a little, but so are the Yankees’.”

    I wonder how much of his reporting over the years is tainted by Performance Enhancing Tanqueray?

  138. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 10:55 am

    betsy
    July 31st, 2009 at 10:54 am
    See, the Yankees are just going to find it impossible to do business; NO ONE wants to help them, even if it means at the expense of their own ballclub. Interestingly, they don’t mind helping the Sox.

    —————————–

    AMEN Betsy

  139. E-gawa July 31st, 2009 at 10:56 am

    I think it’s just more of the case of him using the pen right.

  140. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Guess I’ll do something really important – like deciding who to sit today on my fantasy team! The rest will take care of itself.

    Later y’all.

  141. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Peter Gammons is a fool.

    The heart of our team, Derek and Mo, players like Cone didnt use. Not that I care. We won, thats all that matters.

    The heart of their offense and team were users. Without David Arias turned Ortiz and Manny, they dont win. Wait until Pedro comes out. He is a definite.

    Schilling and Varitek are questionable, Varitek is more likely, would love it if one of the 2 were on the list.

  142. Chambliss July 31st, 2009 at 10:58 am

    The Yankees are on the verge of a championship season. They know it. They are not going to stand pat if a few minor additions (4th or 5th starter, solid middle relief, backup outfielder) will help put them over the top. They might wait until the deadline passes because certain players will pass through waivers due to their hefty contracts (Wells and Rios for example).

  143. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 10:59 am

    5 more hours of he said, she said, then…truth

  144. CB July 31st, 2009 at 10:59 am

    “Look at the smirk on Buster’s face saying the Yankees would not pick up 650k on Bannister’s contract.

    That is just so made up. If we could get Bannister for nothing, then 650k would not stop us.

    He made it up to make us look like fools. Boston Olney is so transparent.”

    Here’s the thing that people don’t seem to understand.

    Olney didn’t make that up. Reporters don’t just fabricate.

    At the trade deadline they don’t need to – there’s no shortage of leaks being fed to them.

    But just because he isn’t making it up doesn’t mean he’s not being spun.

    That smirk you saw – someone wanted that. Someone fully knew and expected that Olney would write up and then talk about the Bannister issue, and smirk in that way.

    And I don’t think it was the Royals.

    The media guys don’t lie. But they do get spun.

    And the heart of the message isn’t what they’ve said – it’s why they are being spun.

  145. CB July 31st, 2009 at 11:02 am

    “can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but the blog wouldn’t be as good if people didn’t have strong opposing opinions.”

    So what you’re saying is that the blog wouldn’t be as good if it were a monoculture!

  146. jennifer July 31st, 2009 at 11:03 am

    Jim Pir-one

    I would bet my life savings that Jason is on the list. Okay maybe not my life savings, but I strongly believe he is also on the list.

  147. m July 31st, 2009 at 11:05 am

    “can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, but the blog wouldn’t be as good if people didn’t have strong opposing opinions.”

    So what you’re saying is that the blog wouldn’t be as good if it were a monoculture!

    _________________________________

    But I could do without the outsiders trying to implicate Hideki as a steroid guy. :mad:

  148. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 11:05 am

    It’s frustrating, Jim. I’m not looking for the Yankees to fleece another team……just to get some business done that will help both teams (obviously esp. the Yankees)……

    I wonder why Romine is considered an untouchable; the Yanks have a ton of catching prospects. He could bring back a decent player.

  149. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:06 am

    CB -

    I understand all that.

    But sometimes, these guys will make up stories just to make the Yankees look like fools. And if it’s not made up, like in the case of Hinske, they pounced all over it.

  150. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 11:06 am

    Chambliss, the Yanks are trying, but they get rebuffed everywhere. They can’t make any moves if other GMs refuse to do business……..

  151. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 11:07 am

    “Joba will be a starter untill he reaches his limit then he’ll go to the Pen with renewed Joba Rules…”

    Doubt it. Would they shut down thier best SP option for gm. 3 or 4? Doubt it.

    And I forgot who I was talking to about the Bell/Soria/Broxton thing, you realize that’s the same type of deal the Dodgers would ask for w/ Broxton ? Soria is damn good I wouldn’t put him elite yet, he was inj. most of this season but he’s a top CL who also would be expensive ala Bell if he were put on the market.

  152. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2009 at 11:07 am

    It’s hard to believe the Yanks wouldn’t spend $3MM+ for a guy like Washburn. The notion of the Yanks as free spenders when they need to be is entrenched too deeply to think otherwise.

    However, I firmly believe they won’t spend really big bucks for anyone.

    5 hours and we’ll see, I guess.

  153. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am

    “I wonder why Romine is considered an untouchable; the Yanks have a ton of catching prospects. He could bring back a decent player.”

    it would make sense for the Yankees to put “touchable” players on the untouchable list…think about it…as soon as someone tells you that you can not have something, don’t you want it even more. Hey Cashman, put Igawa on the untouchable list too!

  154. Doink Da Clown July 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am

    I’m hearing it’s between us and the Marlins for Bannister..
    I’d bet anything Ca$h would try and get Mahay thrown into the deal as well.

    I wouldn’t give up Melky for just Bannister. But if we can get another solid lefty in the pen, then yeah I would..

  155. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Also, counting on getting help after the deadline passes is not a good idea – there are plenty of teams that would block the Yankees, the same teams that are asking for their best prospects for salary dumps, etc..

  156. carl July 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am

    Joba will pitch 300 innings this year. He will pitch in the Arizona fall league on 3 days rest.

  157. Chris V. July 31st, 2009 at 11:09 am

    I think the Yankees should pitch Joba and Hughes together every five days, giving each of them a 50-60 pitch count, 3/4 innings. This keeps their innings down and allows the yankees to let them start (together) all the way through the playoffs. CC game 1, Burnett game 2, Joba and Phil game 3, and Petitte game 4.

    The only problem is that they would lose a bullpen arm. However, the yankees have gone with a short bench multiple times this year and kept 13 pitchers, so they could do it.

    Its unorthodox and the yankees would never try it in a pennant race, but it seems like a great solution.

  158. 1918 is ALIVE and WELL July 31st, 2009 at 11:09 am

    As much as these teams are trying to fleece us…..I say save our prospects/money and go with what we have, then go all out for Chapman this offseason!!!

  159. Stultus Magnus July 31st, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:06 am

    CB -

    I understand all that.

    But sometimes, these guys will make up stories just to make the Yankees look like fools. And if it’s not made up, like in the case of Hinske, they pounced all over it.

    ===============

    Exactly, Olney could have ignored an obviously absurd claim. But instead chose to report it.

  160. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:10 am

    betsy -

    In the past, we could have taken salaries off teams hands, and they still wouldnt do it.

    Now, obviously, the Yanks dont want to take on too much salary.

    But the Red Sox need a hitter, and they’ll get V-Mart or A-Gonz. These teams dont have to get rid of them without holding the RS over a barrel for Bard. The Red Sox have ZERO leverage.

  161. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:10 am

    Manny:

    “I’m not going to talk about what happened six years ago. If you want more information, call the union.”

  162. m July 31st, 2009 at 11:10 am

    betsy,

    Cash himself said that there won’t be as many blocking moves because teams don’t want to risk getting stuck with the bill. That was the reason, he said, that the trading deadline is a soft one.

  163. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:11 am

    At least Olney is being somewhat fair with Ortiz and Manny

    “I’m not going to call Ortiz a liar, but there are plenty of indications that he did know (he was on the list)”

    uh, yes, he’s a liar.

  164. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:14 am

    Joel Sherman of the New York Post has a slew of comments from Ricciardi about a Halladay trade today being highly unlikely. Ricciardi admitted he’d listen again in the offseason, but says keeping Doc today signifies an attempt to contend in 2010.

    GOOD. Just as long as he doesn’t go to BAWSTON, I’m fine

  165. jennifer July 31st, 2009 at 11:15 am

    Why is was Alex forced to hold these stupid press conferences, and be grilled but Manny and Ortiz get away with going, uh duh I don’t want to talk about it?

  166. CB July 31st, 2009 at 11:16 am

    “Exactly, Olney could have ignored an obviously absurd claim. But instead chose to report it.”

    But don’t you see how that is completely different than Olney just making up the story?

    With rare exceptions reporters don’t fabricate stories.

    Now especially during the trade deadline they don’t verify their sources’ stories.

    But that is completely different than fabricating the story.

    Not verifying is not the same as fabricating.

    In the age of the internet, guys like Olney have to keep up the churn. They are paid to get information and put it out there. Much less of their job is about thorough vetting of the information they get about trades. Trade information for them is about speed.

    That makes them much easier to spin than they were in the past.

    But the stuff they put out is from some kind of source they trust. It’s from a baseball person telling them the information.

    And if it’s from a trusted source, they are going to report it.

    It wouldn’t surprise me at all if it was the Yankees themselves that leaked that rumor to Olney about Bannister.

  167. jennifer July 31st, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Anthony agreed. But best case was him going to us or the Phillies, since the Phillies are out, and we are very unlikely I’d rather him stay in Toronto. Worst case is going to the Sauxs

  168. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:16 am

    The best illustration is

    The New York Giants need a WR, but nobody is going to hand us a Randy Moss like another team got handed him.

    Or in the NBA, a Kevin Garnett like some team did.

    Or Curt Schilling, like some team did.

    :) All have one thing in common. And they’d have another if Spygate wasnt a distraction and if the NYG didnt step up.

  169. sunny615 July 31st, 2009 at 11:16 am

    MLBTR says Bahston is interested in Adrian Gonzalez and ESPN says it’s Victor Martinez… I’m guessing no one really has a clue.

  170. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2009 at 11:17 am

    4 hours and 15 mins untill we start hearing about waiver-wire trade rumors!

  171. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:17 am

    The Yankees need a few things in my mind:

    RF
    SP
    M.R.

  172. m July 31st, 2009 at 11:18 am

    I can’t take anything Ricciardi says seriously until the deadline passes.

    He may get more than what’s being offered right now. Nobody’s out of the race in December.

  173. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:19 am

    Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports say the Brewers made an offer for Bannister but the Royals chose not to counter it. The Royals would have to be bowled over to move the 28 year-old righty.

    That’s right, Royals, might as well keep him. Because you are SO going to be contenders….

  174. G. Love July 31st, 2009 at 11:19 am

    I think the Yanks leaked that untouchable list to raise the price on Austin Jackson and Austin Romine.

    They’re pulling a Gammons except they didn’t use a puppet like him to do it. They put it out there themselves.

    Now, if they agree to trade one or both of the Austin’s, the other GM feels he got untouchables back and did well in the deal.

    It was a smart move.

    I don’t buy this “money” thing for a second. The team is making a lot of money at the park this year. Lines are long at concessions and people are spending. They may not have the money they thought they’d have from the premium seats, but they still have to be doing a heck of a lot better on concessions and parking than they were in the old stadium.

  175. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:20 am

    You’re right CB.

    The Yankees may well have given this story to Olney. I agree with everything you said…

    but Olney will just completely make up info if it suits his Red Sox loving/Yankee hating Propoganda. Im not saying in this instance, but other times.

    The media are much worse than people’s views on lawyers.

  176. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:20 am

    sunny 615,

    the Sox prefer Adrian Gonzalez but I’m guessing VMart is plan B.

    or they could be using VMart to try and get San Diego to cave in and trade Gonzalez for cheaper…

    as long as they don’t get Halladay, it’s ok with me. I’d rather they trade for VMart though.

  177. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 11:22 am

    “Or in the NBA, a Kevin Garnett like some team did.”

    Did the Knicks have an Al Jefferson type player to offer the T-Wolves?

    “Or Curt Schilling, like some team did”

    Bob Abreu says hi.

  178. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:24 am

    Bob Abreu is Curt Schilling!!! Right on ;)

    Al Jefferson is a future star!!!! Right on ;)

    I think Al averaged 25 points a game this season. Wanna know why?? Because the Twolves are a loser team, and somebody has to do the scoring, genius.

    The Knicks didnt have a former player as the GM of another team to hand them KG :)

  179. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 11:24 am

    “That’s right, Royals, might as well keep him. Because you are SO going to be contenders….”

    Bannister’s a decent pitcher under the Royals control for the next three years. If they don’t get a pretty freakin’ good offer, they should keep him. Different story all together with the M’s and Washburn, but I understand the Royals position.

  180. CB July 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am

    “I think the Yanks leaked that untouchable list to raise the price on Austin Jackson and Austin Romine.”

    Yes. That’s why the did it. That list is not accurate. It’s the list they want in the public sphere.

    Is Jarrod Washburn and his enormous contract really the kind of player who you tell the other team – we’re keeping these 5 guys but take your pick of the litter on anyone else?

    Last we heard the M’s wanted Melky and Gardner for Washburn. Melky and Gardner for washburn is ridiculous – but not nearly as ridiculous as take anyone you want but those 5 guys. If that were the case the M’s could take Melky and Gardner.

    Washburn is the same guy they yankees wouldn’t trade Melky for last year when Melky was struggling horribly.

    If any deal goes down with Jackson and Romine being in the center of it the other GM can then go to his fanbase and say look I got 2 of the yankees most untouchable players.

    One point of disagreement – they didn’t use Gammons.

    But they still had their own puppet – Heyman.

    They didn’t directly put that information out there.

  181. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 11:27 am

    “Al Jefferson is a future star!!!! Right on”

    Light years better than any player the Knicks have had under contract the past 5 years or so.

  182. Wanzies (Steve) July 31st, 2009 at 11:27 am

    The Tigers acquired pitcher Jarrod Washburn from the Tigers, according to Mike Salk of ESPN radio Seattle.

  183. Wanzies (Steve) July 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am

    Per MLBTR:

    The Tigers acquired pitcher Jarrod Washburn from the Tigers, according to Mike Salk of ESPN radio Seattle.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

  184. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am

    The Tigers acquired pitcher Jarrod Washburn from the Tigers, according to Mike Salk of ESPN radio in Seattle.

  185. carl July 31st, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Tigers have a nice front 3

  186. Rick July 31st, 2009 at 11:29 am

    I’m still laughing about the new advertisement Ortiz is doing for Southwest Airlines : “Wanna get away” ?

  187. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 11:29 am

    well that sucks.

  188. Eric July 31st, 2009 at 11:29 am

    Damn, I wanted Washy

  189. jpb1973 July 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am

    I could see an arrangement where the Yankees will use Hughes for the first 3-4 innings every 5th day beginning sometime in August and carry over into September…then Joba would come and pitch the next 3-4 innings of each of those starts. In that way the Yanks would be killing two birds with one stone…allow Joba to share innings with someone so that he will be extended to reach his inning limit and allow Hughes to reach a new career high in innings (~120) so that he can become a starter next season without having a small innings limit.

    If I’m right then the Yankees abasolutely must work a deal for a very good reliever sometime between now and the end of August. To do so they are probably holding back on a deal waiting for Colorado to fall from the wildcard race and hope to use players not on the 40 man roster to make a waiver deal for Huston Street. Its a risk to try that hoping that Street becomes available but the Yanks could always settle for someone like Jose Valverde if he doesn’t.

  190. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am

    4 hours and 30 minutes until the trade deadline passes!!!!

    Taking a really long lunch now. Will there be big news when I return?

  191. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am

    10:22am: ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the Red Sox still “have pokers in the fire” on Gonzalez, Martinez, and Roy Halladay. Stark continues to suggest the Sox may try to include a third team to faciliate one of these deals.

    ————————————————–

    They will try to include a third team, like they did in 2004.

    But ya know what, a 3rd team doesnt have to want to help the ALmighty Red Sox. They employ the usage of teams willing to help them, sickening!

  192. carl July 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am

    The deal included Luke French and another prospect.

  193. Coach6423 July 31st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Tigers aquired Washburn per MLBTR

  194. Trevor July 31st, 2009 at 11:31 am

    Washburn wasn’t a fit here anyway. Got to get ground ball or strikeout pitchers.

  195. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am

    sounds like a coup for the Tigers

    they need a 3rd arm and they got it

    they still need another bullpen arm (Zumaya is done for a long time)

  196. baseballfab July 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am

    Jarrod Washburn has been traded to the Tigers

  197. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 11:34 am

    hey guys, has anyone heard that Washburn went to the Tigers?

    (ducking)

  198. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2009 at 11:34 am

    I’m sure the Red Sox are lusting after Adrian Gonzalez. He gives them the guy they missed out on when we got Tex, and for a lot less.

    It’s hard to believe the Padres would really trade him. How are they going to get fans to the park the next two years?

  199. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:34 am

    Well, Cashman better pull something out of his ass.

    Teams are improving but it looks like we’re going to stay as is.

    I don’t think Wasburn was the answer for us but we need another SP

  200. G. Love July 31st, 2009 at 11:34 am

    I’m surprised Theo isn’t using a 3rd and 4th team and trying to turn Penny into Halladay. After all, it’s a privilege just to make a deal with the great Theo.

    Every trade deadline it’s the same story. Theo, the wonder boy, tries to pull off the most complicated trade in history and usually falls short but goes back to his fanbase with I threw it all out there to get you that player.

    How about actually trading your chips for a good player instead of trying to dupe some other team into doing it for you?

  201. Wanzies (Steve) July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Washburn is a great fit for the Tigers’ ballpark. Not so much TNYS. He’s an innings-eater, but only effective in his contract years. Tigers’ farm will be even more bereft. Sounds like a team we once knew from the early 90s.

  202. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am

    I have a sickening feeling that Red Sox’s will get Halladay.

  203. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am

    Makes sense for Detroit. Have to wonder what the price was considering Jack Z.’s demands from the Yankees. We shall find out soon enough, though.

  204. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Umm, Cashman, we still need a pitcher…

  205. carl July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am

    I have a sickening feeling that Red Sox’s will get Halladay.

    Let em empty the farm

  206. Wanzies (Steve) July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Big difference in cleaning out your farm to get a stud (A-gon or V-mart) vs. “simply writing a check” (Tex).

  207. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am

    Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports agree, saying the Mariners will get Luke French and another prospect.

  208. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Can we work out an appointed person to drop trade news on this blog so that we don’t get 20 of the exact same post??

    (Aka- did you hear Washburn is going to Detroit??)

  209. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Carl,

    I find it comical you say “let them empty the farm” as if that actually means anything. If they do trade away most of their prospects for Halladay, none of them gurantee to be great superstars in the MLB. They could all be busts and the Sox end up with the best pitcher in baseball.

  210. Matty C July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am

    so Arroyo was juicing as well… ha

    He comes out with this BS I wouldn’t be surprised if I am on the list cuz I took stuff that might have been laced with steroids.

    Now where have I heard that before… hmmmm…..

  211. CountryClub July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am

    Cashman cant do anything if Hal wont let him take on salary.

  212. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am

    According to MLB.com’s Noah Coslov, the Tigers have acquired Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners for LHPs Luke French and Mauricio Robles

  213. TheCro July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Joel Sherman said the Tigers gave up 2 LHP’s – one of them that Guy named French who recently pitched against the Yankees

  214. Trevor July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am

    “Umm, Cashman, we still need a pitcher…”

    Teams are asking for an arm and a leg from the Yankees. And this is back of the rotation pitchers.

  215. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Nomar should have just kept his mouth shut.

    He looks like an even bigger idiot now.

  216. Larry Nadel July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Of Course that’s what’s happening. The Yankees have told us from day 1 they have a plan to get Java and Hughes the “appropriate” number of innings. Joba is going to end the season in the pen and Hughes will be a starter. It’s the only way they can execute their plan.

  217. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am

    the Mariners get Luke French and Mauricio Robles.

  218. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am

    Wanzies (Steve)
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am
    Big difference in cleaning out your farm to get a stud (A-gon or V-mart) vs. “simply writing a check” (Tex).

    ——————————

    Right. But the Red Sox wont have to clean their farm. They’ll clean their toilets and give the remains to the Padres for Gonzalez.

    It should happen for nothing less than Bard and Buchholz. The Red Sox have ZERO leverage, and after Ortiz yesterday, have NEGATIVE LEVERAGE. They should be held at gunpoint.

  219. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am

    “Can we work out an appointed person to drop trade news on this blog so that we don’t get 20 of the exact same post??

    (Aka- did you hear Washburn is going to Detroit??)”

    A far easier sollution would be to just read the last 5-6 posts before you post.

  220. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am

    “It’s hard to believe the Padres would really trade him. How are they going to get fans to the park the next two years?”

    Might be one of those “we’ll finish in last with you and we can finish in last without you” scenarios. By the time the Pads stand a chance of being good, Gonzalez is a free agent. If they can turn him into some good young prospects (and make Kyle Blanks a 1B again), they at least have a shot of catching some lightning in a bottle like the Rays got last year when the young guys all got good together at the same time 2-3 years down the road.

  221. CountryClub July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am

    Boy, this board is going to be a mess if the Yanks dont pick up someone today.

  222. Bill July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Funny how every team asks the NYY for Joba or Hughes but then settles for a lot less to make a deal elswhere.

  223. Wanzies (Steve) July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Luke French and Mauricio Robles don’t quite equate to Joba, Hughes or Jesus. What’s that saying? You hear what you’re supposed to hear? “Leaks” aren’t leaks. They’re info-mericials.

  224. G July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am

    i dun tink dat salary thing is true.. joel sherman makes a lt of BS.. he said da yankees can’t sign both cc and tex ..

  225. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Countryclub,

    That’s because the Yankees NEED to make a move.

  226. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am

    “Can we work out an appointed person to drop trade news on this blog so that we don’t get 20 of the exact same post??

    (Aka- did you hear Washburn is going to Detroit??)”

    I’m on Twitter, I could take the honors =P

  227. Joe(Living in Texas) July 31st, 2009 at 11:42 am

    John Heyman said the Mariners wanted Montero for Washburn

    hahahahahahahahah

    http://www.fannation.com/si_bl.....n-washburn

  228. Christina25 July 31st, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Anthony Murillo
    No they are not. My guess is they will get Adrian Gonzalez or Victor Martinez. They have been lusting for Gonzalez since 2006. I really hope they get him.

  229. carl July 31st, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:37 am

    Carl,

    I find it comical you say “let them empty the farm” as if that actually means anything. If they do trade away most of their prospects for Halladay, none of them gurantee to be great superstars in the MLB. They could all be busts and the Sox end up with the best pitcher in baseball.

    Who said they will be great superstars? Like I said, let them empty the farm for Roy. He doesn’t guarantee to be a great playoff pitcher.

  230. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am

    Hey look it’s Christina25.

  231. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

    “Boy, this board is going to be a mess if the Yanks dont pick up someone today.”

    Yeah, I have a feeling it’ll be worse then the last Yankees v Sox gameday thread…remember, we’re in first place with what we have now…we don’t need a savior, we just need some depth. The waiver wire will have that. So I implore all of you…if we don’t make a move in the next 4 hours, there is still a reason to live!

  232. rconn23 July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Whether the Yankees are able to acquire a pitcher depends on the asking price.

    If Seattle insisted on one of Joba, Romine, Montero, Hughes or Jackson for Washburn, who is a flyball pitcher having a career year in a pitcher’s park, can you blame him for balking?

    Personally, I wouldn’t have given up Zach McCallister for him, given the money left on his contract.

    You can’t expect Cashman to acquire a pitcher if the price is exorbitant in terms of prospects – unless that pitcher is named Roy Halladay.

  233. G. Love July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Only on this board do people downgrade Halladay’s potential impact on a team and upgrade what prospects who have proven next to nothing in the majors mean.

  234. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

    I think the Sox will end up getting VMart for Buchholz.

    They’ll then get someone like a Bannister for a low level prospect (to replace Buchholz).

  235. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Christina,

    LOL So they’ve had a 3 year plan on Gonzalez, like they had a 2 year plan on Tex like they’ve had a 5 year plan on Mauer. Not everything Gammons says should be believed :)

    For that matter, they have a 16 year plan on the Federer sisters and then they’ll move into tennis like they did Nascar!!

  236. RS July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

    So the Mariners wanted Jesus Montero but took Luke French instead?

    I wish we knew what Cashman was thinking. I want to know if he balked at Washburn because the price was too high, or because he has another deal in mind…

  237. Erica - always OPPC July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am
    “Can we work out an appointed person to drop trade news on this blog so that we don’t get 20 of the exact same post??

    (Aka- did you hear Washburn is going to Detroit??)”

    I’m on Twitter, I could take the honors =P

    ****

    Rebecca, I trust you implicitly.

    I hereby nominate Rebecca to be our AOTN. (Ambassador of Trade News)

  238. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Hokiehill,

    We’re in first now, yes, but maybe not for long because Bawston is looking to get much better.

  239. carl July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Christina25 July 31st, 2009 at 11:42 am

    Anthony Murillo
    No they are not. My guess is they will get Adrian Gonzalez or Victor Martinez. They have been lusting for Gonzalez since 2006. I really hope they get him.

    Adrian must be on the Juice if they want him!

  240. CountryClub July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    The Yankees dont NEED to do anything. It would be nice to pick up a starter. But other than that, the team is solid from top to bottom.

    Plus, they can always make a trade after today.

  241. CB July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Luke French has been a marginal prospect for the Tigers – a guy who was never one of their better prospects. The limited success he’s had this year has been a significant surprise and he’s a guy who very well could be a one hit wonder.

    So by that report last night, we’re supposed to believe that the yankees told Seattle you can have anyone you want besides Joba, Hughes, Montero, Jackson and Romine – and the M’s decided to pick a package headed up by Luke French instead?

    The yankees leaked that rumor last night to heyman and it wasn’t leaked to try to get Washburn.

    If they wanted Washburn they would have had him.

  242. Chris V. July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    jpb1973 July 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am

    “I could see an arrangement where the Yankees will use Hughes for the first 3-4 innings every 5th day beginning sometime in August and carry over into September…then Joba would come and pitch the next 3-4 innings of each of those starts. In that way the Yanks would be killing two birds with one stone…allow Joba to share innings with someone so that he will be extended to reach his inning limit and allow Hughes to reach a new career high in innings (~120) so that he can become a starter next season without having a small innings limit.”

    Nice try stealing my idea.

  243. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    “Anthony Murillo
    No they are not. My guess is they will get Adrian Gonzalez or Victor Martinez. They have been lusting for Gonzalez since 2006. I really hope they get him.”

    They have a chance at Victor Martinez…NONE whatsoever for Adrian Gonzalez…PIGS FLY BEFORE THIS.

  244. Joe Monte July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Luke French and Mauricio Robles were not in the Tigers Top 10 prospects list courtesy of Baseball America (11/20/08). Obviously, their value could have increased since then, but you get the idea.

  245. stuart July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am

    cashman is not giving up any young studs at the deadline.. what he has been saying for about 3 years is true.

    detroit gave up french who looked pretty good and another young guy for 2 months of washburn

    the sux will make at least 1 move and deplete there famous farm system.. the yanks need a depth starter at a minimum….

    wow the yanks will basically be on the sidelines…..

  246. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Amazing how that works out, French and Robles are not anywhere near Hughes, Joba or Montero from a talent level, all guys that Seattle was rumored to want for Washburn. The Yankees could have definitely offered better than that without moving any of their “untouchables”. Oh well, hopefully something else comes along today.

  247. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Rebecca is fine with me… just stay on your twitter toes

  248. jpb1973 July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Boy, this board is going to be a mess if the Yanks dont pick up someone today.

    —————————————————

    I don’t think the Yankees make a deal today. Wait until after the trade deadline passes to get the best deals.

  249. baseballfab July 31st, 2009 at 11:46 am

    11:14 a.m.: The Globe’s Tony Massarotti just checked in to report that according to well-placed baseball source, the Red Sox and Padres are continuing discussions this morning about Adrian Gonzalez. It is unclear which Red Sox prospects the Padres are pursuing, but considering that San Diego lacks depth in its farm system, there is the possibility that the Red Sox could supply San Diego a collection of players while hanging on to some of their elite prospects.

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....r_cen.html

  250. Justin C July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am

    every team hates the yankees…. thats why they always ask for alot more from us

    example: Philly – drabek , happ , couple other players ( from toronto)
    NYY – JOBA + HUGHES lol ( from toronto)

  251. stuart July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am

    if the sux give up 5 prospects they can get gonzalez…

    in the long run it will hurt the sux but help them this year…….

    cashman will keep to the long term goal, build from within…..

  252. Anthony Murillo July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am

    I love this “WE’LL SHOW THEM, WE’RE GREAT FROM TOP TO BOTTOM!” attitude.

    Makes me lol

    We’ll see if these people who feel we don’t need to add an SP will be singing the same tune in a month or two.

  253. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am

    “Hokiehill,

    We’re in first now, yes, but maybe not for long because Bawston is looking to get much better.”

    I’ve said before, I’ll only be worried if they get halladay and that’s not happening. Gonzalez and Martinez are good to great players, but offense is not the Sox’ problem. If they get either of those guys, whatever move they make for pitching will be of little consequence, even if they get bannister (who everyone fell in love with this morning because of the Yankees alleged interest).

  254. Jim Pir-one July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am

    Adrian must be on the Juice if they want him!

    —————————–

    They get players who arent on the juice and convert them. Then when the players leave a la Mueller, Millar, Bellhorn,

    their careers are over or they become bums.

  255. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:48 am

    CB,

    but why wouldn’t the Yanks take Washburn for that price even if they also wanted Halladay or someone else??

    that’s a pretty good deal for Detroit and makes their club quite a bit better (Porcello is fading a bit and still a youngster).

    Getting Washburn for cheap wouldn’t prevent them from getting Halladay.

    If they don’t get Halladay, won’t they wish they had gotten Washburn?

  256. jpb1973 July 31st, 2009 at 11:48 am

    jpb1973 July 31st, 2009 at 11:30 am

    “I could see an arrangement where the Yankees will use Hughes for the first 3-4 innings every 5th day beginning sometime in August and carry over into September…then Joba would come and pitch the next 3-4 innings of each of those starts. In that way the Yanks would be killing two birds with one stone…allow Joba to share innings with someone so that he will be extended to reach his inning limit and allow Hughes to reach a new career high in innings (~120) so that he can become a starter next season without having a small innings limit.”

    Nice try stealing my idea.

    ——————————————————

    ‘sorry if I stole you’re idea. I’ve been out all morning and just got back…haven’t had a chance to read all of the posts. At any rate, it makes a lot of sense…hopefully Huston Street is available in 3 weeks or the plan has definate risks…who will be the 8th inning guy.

  257. Joe(Living in Texas) July 31st, 2009 at 11:49 am

    RS,

    Of course he balked because the price was too high!!! They wanted THE BEST Prospect in our system. I’m sure they will pull something off. Or hey, maybe we go into the playoffs as is.

    Don’t forget, we still play Boston 11 more times. I think Cash will make his move according to the Sox if he is smart. We are already in 1st place, we just need a little reinforcement.

    Let’s see what happens.

  258. vb03 July 31st, 2009 at 11:49 am

    Arroyo admitted to taking andro now. The Roid Sox are being exposed, love it.

  259. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 11:49 am

    I agree w/ CB the Yankees must have leaked something on purpose, but it’s not for Doc, so who are they targeting?

    I keep thinking Duke for some reason.

  260. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am

    FWIW, if I repost a Tweet here, a few things

    1) It’s always what someone else is saying and I’ll try to make sure the tweet is a legit source

    2) RUMOR ONLY means RUMOR ONLY.

    3) CONFIRMED means CONFIRMED.

  261. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am

    Personally, I would rather the Sox got Doc than Gonzalez. But I think Gonzalez is more likely.

  262. Zooboy July 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am

    MLB Traderumors reporting Washburn to Tigers…

  263. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 11:51 am

    “even if they get bannister (who everyone fell in love with this morning because of the Yankees alleged interest).”

    No Bannister has not been a one-day stand in terms of trade itnerest, posters (myself included) have mentioned trying to get him as the #5 starter for a few weeks now. If the price is right he would make sense. KC could want too much in return or just be content to not move him, though.

  264. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Sigh…….frustrating

  265. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:51 am

    “if the sux give up 5 prospects they can get gonzalez…

    in the long run it will hurt the sux but help them this year…….”

    ————

    if the Sox get Gonzalez without giving up Bard and Kelly, it doesn’t really hurt them.

    The odds of any of their prospects ever matching up to Gonzalez are pretty slim.

    If I had to guess, the Sox final offer is Buchholz, Lars Anderson, Justin Masterson, and a menial low level guy.

    The Padres are trying to pry Bard or Kelly as well.

    just a wild guess.

  266. Carmine July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am

    Washburn’s groundball rate is actually below league average. The guy pitches to flyball contact which works great in Safeco, especially considering he has Ichiro and FraGu out there. This would’ve been a huge problem for us as no one in our outfield has nearly the range of those two and a much higher percentage of those flyballs would’ve turned into homeruns at home. I’m glad we didn’t get him, he was a big sell-high for the Mariners.

  267. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am

    I don’t know who the Ms got for Washburn, but the Yankees couldn’t put together a package to satisfy them without includng Hughes or Montero? This deadline looks like it’s going to be a great big bust.

  268. carl July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

    I don’t understand the logic in trading our top starting prospect, another top starter, The best bat we ever developed in 20 years, and/or our future center fielder. Look what that did to the Rangers when they got rid of Tex.

  269. CB July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

    “but why wouldn’t the Yanks take Washburn for that price even if they also wanted Halladay or someone else??”

    BD,

    I think they probably didn’t like Washburn that much and probably less than they did last year in the old stadium.

    Washburn is a flyball pitcher and he could be trouble in the new stadium, especially with Damon and Swisher in the OF.

    I think it gets back to what SJ said before – they’ll probably take on money but not for “just another guy.”

    And that’s what Washburn has been his entire career.

    He’s fine – but he’s grossly over paid – even on a prorated basis.

    And that’s why all they got was Luke French + A ball pitcher.

    The tigers were one of the very few teams willing to take on any money.

    This is a buyers market.

  270. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

    Washburn to Tigers.

  271. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

    “MLB Traderumors reporting Washburn to Tigers…”

    Thank you so much man! Your the first person to say this on the blog, I would have been lost w/o this. LOST!

  272. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

    “I’m glad we didn’t get him, he was a big sell-high for the Mariners.”

    ———–

    sell high? technically yes but they didn’t get a big return.

    the Tigers barely gave anything for a guy with a 2.60 ERA in the AL.

    If the Yanks could have had him for comparable talent, I wish they would have.

  273. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am

    “Zooboy
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am
    MLB Traderumors reporting Washburn to Tigers…”

    This post is a joke, right? If you don’t have 1 minute to catch up to the conversation, what’s the point in posting?

  274. henner July 31st, 2009 at 11:54 am

    this trade deadline sucks

  275. Chris V. July 31st, 2009 at 11:54 am

    jpb1973,

    No problem, I just posted it a few minutes ahead of you so I figured you would have seen it. The only downside is the yanks would need to carry 13 pitchers because they would be down one bullpen arm. They have done that multiple times this season so it shouldnt be that much of an issue. Other than that it seems like the best, if least likely option.

  276. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Yesterday’s game was not fun, although whatever happened after Swishy hadto love that classic screw you moment.

    I blame Coke more than Hughes. All he had to do was get one more strike in there.

  277. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

    Tweet from Victor Rojas of MLB Network

    #yankees fans…need a starter? Hughes is in ur pen…go pick up an Arthur Rhodes type guy and start pushing joba back a couple days at a time if ur worried about innings…look at tigers w verlander a couple yrs ago and porcello this year…enough w the innings thing for petes sake

  278. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

    One of two conclusions to draw from the Washburn deal.

    1. The Yanks weren’t interested in getting Washburn.

    OR

    2. The M’s didn’t think much of our minor league guys outside of Montero, AJax and Romine.

  279. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

    “Personally, I would rather the Sox got Doc than Gonzalez. But I think Gonzalez is more likely.”

    They won’t land either.

  280. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

    CB,

    I guess you’re right.

    I figured the Yanks have liked Washburn, at least somewhat, for a while.

    Now he’s pitching as well as ever and can be had for almost nothing.

    But $4M is $4M.

  281. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am

    according to ESPN.com, the Yankees are in talks to sign Mark Teixeira and Cliff Lee is going to the Phillies…you heard it hear first folks!

  282. MeachkilledWang July 31st, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Henderson traded to Oakland for Caderet, Plunk and Polonia. Wait am I late on this?

  283. RS July 31st, 2009 at 11:56 am

    “By the time the Pads stand a chance of being good, Gonzalez is a free agent. If they can turn him into some good young prospects (and make Kyle Blanks a 1B again), they at least have a shot of catching some lightning in a bottle like the Rays got last year when the young guys all got good together at the same time 2-3 years down the road.”

    The only problem is, the Padres really don’t have a good minor league system. The Rays were stocked with young talent like Crawford, Upton, Pena, Shields, and Kazmir even before they got good, and they had an excellent farm system to make trades for guys like Garza, Bartlett, and Jackson.

    The Padres’ farm system is ranked almost last in baseball and to my knowledge, they don’t have any prospects of Longoria or Price’s caliber. Getting Buchholz, Bowden, and Lowrie would do nothing for them right now because they don’t have other players to build around them yet.

    And here’s another thing…the Padres were very picky about trading Jake Peavy, and he’s owed WAY more money than Gonzalez. If they weren’t willing to deal Peavy, I doubt they’re going to find the balls to trade Gonzalez away, especially because he loves San Diego.

  284. jpb1973 July 31st, 2009 at 11:57 am

    jpb1973,

    No problem, I just posted it a few minutes ahead of you so I figured you would have seen it. The only downside is the yanks would need to carry 13 pitchers because they would be down one bullpen arm. They have done that multiple times this season so it shouldnt be that much of an issue. Other than that it seems like the best, if least likely option.

    —————————————————-
    Chris,

    Major league rosters are expanded to 40 on September 1st so the Yankees would only be “short” in the bullpen for a couple of weeks.

  285. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 11:57 am

    Why does this trade deadline suck? Sure the Yanks gaven’t done any major trades (yet) but neither have the Red Sox.

  286. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2009 at 11:57 am

    betsy July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am

    I don’t know who the Ms got for Washburn, but the Yankees couldn’t put together a package to satisfy them without includng Hughes or Montero? This deadline looks like it’s going to be a great big bust.

    ———

    Take a deep breath, Betsy.

    When was the last time the Yanks didn’t do something at the trade deadline?

    Patience.

  287. G. Love July 31st, 2009 at 11:57 am

    “MeachkilledWang July 31st, 2009 at 11:56 am

    Henderson traded to Oakland for Caderet, Plunk and Polonia. Wait am I late on this?”

    You had to bring this one up again? I had blacked it out a long time ago. Greg Caderet. Ugh.

  288. CB July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am

    “The M’s didn’t think much of our minor league guys outside of Montero, AJax and Romine.”

    The tigers system is far, far worse than the yankees. It’s still one of the thinner systems in the majors after Dombrowski gutted it and went for broke over the past 2-3 years.

    French was a marginal guy inside of a bad system. He wasn’t ever one of their top 10-15 guys.

    The yankees didn’t want washburn.

  289. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am

    I’m headed to lunch…can’t wait to hear how insane sports radio is this afternoon.

  290. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Who cares if they don’t do anything? Last I checked we’re in first place.

  291. sunny615 July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am

    Isn’t Washy a flyball pitcher? I doubt that would play well in the new “short porch” yankee stadium

  292. rogo July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am

    “Henderson traded to Oakland for Caderet, Plunk and Polonia. Wait am I late on this?”

    worse trade in my lifetime…..worse than Buhner for Phelps

  293. Factoid July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am

    The trading deadline is 1:00 PM Eastern Time and 4:00 PM West Coast Time.
    The Yankees aren’t dealing with a West Coast team.

  294. Tom in N.J. July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am

    I was 9 when Ricey was dealt bac to the A’s. 9 and heart-broken. :sad:

  295. Giuseppe Franco July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    CB July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am

    The yankees didn’t want washburn.

    ——————

    Good. I didn’t want Washburn, either.

  296. Andrew July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Via Heyman’s Twitter:

    SI_JonHeyman: #yankees have acquired Chuck Knoblauch from #twins for Eric Milton, Cristian Guzman, Brian Buchanon and Danny Mota.

    Am I late on this one?

  297. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    Right now I’d be happy to split the White Sox series…that was my prediction before the road trip anyway so I’m not disappointed.

    I also predicted we’d sweep Toronto, so let’s see.

  298. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    CB-

    Your take on French is my take on French. Hard to believe the M’s wouldn’t have explored a package of our second tier prospects instead, but I don’t think you can rule out the theory that the M’s just weren’t that impressed with them.

    It’s possible the Yanks just didn’t want Washburn, but if that’s the answer, it raises a whole lot of uncomfortable questions, to me at least.

  299. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm

    CB, the Yankees should not be counting on getting Halladay (if that’s what they’re doing). If the Ms were being unreasonable, then that’s one thing, but if the Yanks could have had Washburn for a decent package, then you do that. I do not believe for a moment that the Yankees are getting Doc. Given that, they now have few options available to them. I don’t know what they are going to do, but they definitely need another pitcher and an OFers. I’m just not expecting anything at this point and that’s a disappointment to me.

  300. sunny615 July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    Just too funny:
    http://bostondirtdogs.boston.c.....09_bdd.jpg

  301. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    New thread.

  302. Wave Your Hat July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    “The trading deadline is 1:00 PM Eastern Time and 4:00 PM West Coast Time.”

    That’s a truly interesting deadline.

  303. MeachkilledWang July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pm

    I know many of you now think Washburn sucks, fly ball pitcher etc. but he is a lefty with a ring. Our park plays small for lefy batters, but the righties arent doing too much damage and gardner/melky for Sept is more than adequate for the left side of the outfield. These Washburn types dont grow on trees, Bannister? not even the same sentence.

    In my opinion, this was a trade that should have been made judging by the talent Seattle accepted. We could have matched/exceeded this deal without much if any long term risk.

    I still think we can win even if Boston gets Roy and Victor but I would have liked to see our odds increase with the Washburn move. It would have eliminated many a variable with the Joba/Andy old/Hughes/Mitre/Wang situation/worries.

    That said, he ‘aint Cy Young, but we dont have an easy arm to jump in…

  304. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    “It’s possible the Yanks just didn’t want Washburn, but if that’s the answer, it raises a whole lot of uncomfortable questions, to me at least.”

    ———

    Wave Your Hat,

    I’m thinking the same thing. I’m just puzzled right now if that’s the case… though it seems like it is right now (with the limited info we have).

  305. Chambliss July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Knobby-just the kind of guy that the Yankees need.

  306. Matt K. July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Factoid July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am

    The trading deadline is 1:00 PM Eastern Time and 4:00 PM West Coast Time.
    The Yankees aren’t dealing with a West Coast team.

    Actually its the other way around. West Coast is behind East Coast, so 4 o’clock our time is 1 theirs.

    4 o’clock EST = Deadline
    3 Central
    2 Mountain time
    1 on the west coast

  307. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Washburn traded to Detroit.

  308. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    “The yankees didn’t want washburn.”

    Pretty to the point. It’s a smoke screen for someone else.

  309. Nick in SF in Ocean City, MD July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    My source at the all-you-can-eat crab place last night was saying Washburn to the Tigers. But I ate it before I could get confirmation.

  310. Carmine July 31st, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    I fully believe Washburn would’ve reverted to bad Washburn in Yankee Stadium. Flyball pitchers who don’t strike people out are not going to succeed in the new stadium.

  311. pat July 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    “The trading deadline is 1:00 PM Eastern Time and 4:00 PM West Coast Time.”

    That might be more fair if you flip-flop time zones

  312. Matt K. July 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    Can we trade for Knoblauch? The Double Play combo of him and Jeter would be sweet..I mean, we wouldn’t have to worry about him hitting anyone in the stands

  313. CountryClub July 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    I love how people say the Yanks should forget the innings limits on their pitchers and then they point to someone like Verlander as an example.

    Until this year, Verlander had been awful after they overworked him in 2006. People never point out the consequences.

  314. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! I KNOW HE WAS TRADED TO DETROIT SHUT UP ALREADY! July 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm

    so…

  315. baseballfab July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    After seeing the Tigers beat the Yankees for Washburn and what the Tigers gave up, I am inclined to think the Yankees decided to chase Halladay.

  316. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    :)

    When will they ever learn
    When will they e-e-ver learn

    Hokie say it again. Rumors are just that.

    :D

  317. trisha - OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    :)

    When will they ever learn
    When will they e-e-ver learn

    Hokie say it again. Rumors are just that.

    :D

  318. Carmine July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    I was actually wondering if Brian Bannister was available over the past few days and started reading today that the Royals are listening on him. He’s apparently a really smart guy and consults his own stats to see where he can make improvements. One of the results has been a near 10% increase in his groundball rate this year. Great article on Fangraphs about it.

  319. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Seriously, wwe’ll be fine no matter what moves are and aren’t mmade.

    I just hope we win tonight, but it”ll be tough.

  320. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

    RT @mlbtraderumors RT @brianmctaggart Just touched base with Ed Wade and all quiet on trade front before 3pm deadline. Appears Astros will stand pat #mlbtrade

  321. Matt K. July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Bronson Arroyo just admitted he took Andro. One by One they fall…

  322. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Rebecca,

    I’m liking this arrangement. Thanks for the posts!

  323. MeachkilledWang July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    Peter, do a “where are they now” on Polonia (jail?), Plunk and Caderet with Rickey now in the HOF

  324. CB July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    “sell high? technically yes but they didn’t get a big return. ”

    No the M’s got not too much for Washburn.

    The Jays were unable to deal Halladay – the best pitcher in the game – on their own terms.

    Look at the marginal return the Phillies got for Lee.

    The M’s get marginal return for Washburn despite all of their their rhetoric on how valuable Washburn is to them.

    It’s a very strong buyer’s market.

  325. Vince July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    I get the feeling that the Yankees will take Zach Duke and John Grabow from the Pirates.
    It’s long too late to stun Pirate fans about moving players.
    Damaso Marte is too uncertain at this point so Grabow fills the bill as another bullpen left and Duke adds another lefty starter.
    Who cares what Boston does. There too much disarray and controversy to get them on a real roll.

  326. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    “Patrick, I had really gotten used to your “prospect hugger” moniker.”

    I will be taking it off after 4 PM today but it might make a return in the future. Probably in the offseason when everyone and their mothers are lobbying for Joba to get traded for Halladay.

    Erica,

    Funny comment about the bromance but I don’t think randy knows what a bromance is :)

    ——

    About the Washburn trade.

    I’m not convinced the Yankees were ever seriously considering trading for him. There have been rumors but the truth is, Washburn isn’t that good. He’s having an extremely lucky season right now.

    He’d fit in nicely as the fifth starter but Cashman was never going to give up anything of substance for him.

    It also strikes me as funny that the Mariners demand Hughes, Joba or Montero from the Yanks but they accept French and Robles from the Tigers. French is basically a 5th starter and Robles is some kid in A ball. Not very impressive.

    Another classic case of asking the Yankees for the world and accepting crap from another team.

  327. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm

    I don’t get all the people freaking out that we’re not making a trade, as if our team is SO flawed. Sure we have issues, but a good few less than a lot of other teams. We’re in first place. Do we really need much tinkering? Clearly Cashman has a plan in place for Joba, so I’m not worried.

  328. Matt K. July 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    Peter Gammons: “They only ones who were really in the Halladay deal were the Red Sox”

    Everything not Boston related goes right through his head..

  329. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    “the truth is, Washburn isn’t that good. He’s having an extremely lucky season right now.”

    ———

    a) 2.60 ERA in the AL and it’s August… Wins are lucky. an ERA like that isn’t all luck.

    b) he cost almost nothing in terms of prospects – even if he’s a #4 starter to the tune of a 4.00 ERA, that’s good!!

  330. Carmine July 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    One bad thing about the acquisition of Washburn by the Tigers is if we and they both make and face each other in the playoffs. They’ll have Verlander who’s looking like a Cy Young candidate right now and Washburn who always beats us. Edwin Jackson’s no slouch either. Pretty formidable rotation.

  331. Matt K. July 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pm

    You guys still realize that Ben Sheets is a free agent right? He isn’t officially signed with Texas..Maybe if he figures himself out we could jump in and steal Nolan’s guy.

  332. carl July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Red Sox are close to a deal with Roy Halladay

    http://tinyurl.com/ns7dyd

  333. E-gawa July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    We’re in first place now but it’s august and still plenty of baseball to be played. This team is also not set up for a short series. The Wang injury is pretty damaging. Right now we’re looking at CC,AJ,Pettitte,Mitre in the playoffs.. that’s not going to work.

  334. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm

    Carmine-Washburn doesn’t always beat us. He was outdueled by Pettite earleir in the year.

  335. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Matt K,

    Sheets is done for the year.

  336. Matt K. July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Halladay trade rumors have been dead for about 3 days..Red Sox are working on a Victor Martinez trade says Peter Gammons..nice try Carl, but people watch ESPN news haha

  337. Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Oh, I’m shaking in my boots. How will the first place Yankees ever survive w/o making a deal?

  338. MeachkilledWang July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Sheets would get the Carl Pavano MRI re-named. He with Wang in ’09.

  339. Carmine July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    BD:

    I think he’s referring to Washburn’s high flyball/low strikeout rate. In general, it is tough to get by with both of those. ERA tells a lot for how you pitch on your team, but doesn’t always translate to other teams or ballparks. Washburn’s FIP, IIRC, is also nearly an entire run higher than his ERA.

  340. stuart July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pm

    i will be shocked if the yanks pull off any big deal…

    the yanks are in first.

    lose pettitte, matsui, damon, molina, nady, and a few other salaries in the off season or about $45 mill.

    they will have cervellis, pena, and ajax on the roster next year. they will have a rotation of cc, aj, hughes, joba, and ???? the pen will have many young power arms.. they will add a OF from FA or a trade…

    In other words all is good….they are turning over the roster and getting younger. CC and Tex are not 30 yet…………..

  341. sunny615 July 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    I heard Washburn got traded… anyone know where?

  342. sunny615 July 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pm

    end sarcasm…

  343. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    GF, I agree…….the thing that is frustrating me is that other teams don’t seem to want to “play ball”. Asking for Montero, Hughes or Joba tells me these teams have no desire to negotiate in good faith. It’s not the Yankees’ fault………

  344. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    “BD:

    I think he’s referring to Washburn’s high flyball/low strikeout rate. ”

    ———

    probably.

    but I’m tired of everyone discounting a freakin 2.60 ERA as “well he’s not that good”

    you know what? he’s getting the job done.

    perhaps his ERA in NYS would go up, but the a 2.60 ERA is nasty.

    if he had a 3.6 ERA, maybe…. but 2.60, espcially in the AL, is ridiculous.

    the Tigers just stole him (for $4M)

  345. Patrick the Prospect Hugger July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm

    “a) 2.60 ERA in the AL and it’s August… Wins are lucky. an ERA like that isn’t all luck.”

    Yes it is luck.

    Look at his FIP and BABIP.

    Washburn is having an extremely lucky season. Notice that right after saying that the last time I mentioned that he would fit nicely on the yankees as a fifth starter.

    I’m not saying he’s a bad fit, just saying that it’s very likely he will come crashing back to earth very soon.

  346. stuart July 31st, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    now to the sux… vmartinez is a very good hitter. he also is 30, cannot catch well. varitek is done after this year obviously. if the sux get vmart. they will give up at least 3 very good prospects.

    if the sux get gonzalez the yare giving up 4 or 5 prospects, better group of players then vmart.this includes young arms…

    the sux rotation is ; beckett, lester, then wakefield, smoltz, matsuzaka, and laptop. laptop will be in these trades and the sux need some starting arms for the futre…

    the sux have issues long term and no cathcer of the future huge ???at SS and 3B and other areas…

    cash is not mortgaging the future. Also if Montero keeps this up he will be on the big club sometime next year……………

  347. Carmine July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pm

    BD:

    Oh no, there is certainly something done right when you’re giving up fewer than 3 earned runs per 9. It’s not an accident. Washburn knows he pitches in a big park with great outfield defense.

  348. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Patrick,

    I agree with you to an extent.

    But a 2.60 ERA 2/3 of the way through a season – that’s quite a bit of luck….

    you can show me 1,000 stats. the one’s that count, on the field, look pretty good.

    he must be doing something right.

    for $4M and a couple nothing prospects, the Tigers just made themselves much better.

  349. betsy July 31st, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    Carl, are you kidding? I can’t open the link……..

  350. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    I’m not arguing that Washburn is an elite pitcher or someone who will consistently give you a 2.60 ERA…

    but for the price the Tigers paid, I think it’s an absolute steal.

    as CB said, it’s a buyers market.

  351. carl July 31st, 2009 at 12:22 pm

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