Official trade deadline post
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2009 
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BREAKING NEWS: Via Chad Jennings: Shelley Duncan on his way to Chicago for tonight’s game.
Jarrod Washburn is a Tiger, alas. But here is the official LHYB trade deadline post. Unless the Yankees make a deal, we’ll leave this post up until the game post goes up at 4:30 p.m. or so.
A few particulars:
The actual deadline: 4 p.m. ET today.
Waiver deals: Players who pass through waivers can be traded in August. Many general managers, including Brian Cashman, believe waiver deals will be plentiful as economically mindful teams will be cautious about claiming players simply to block them from a rival.
What the Yankees need: A reliable starter, a backup center fielder and maybe a reliever.
Candidates: Kansas City RHP Brian Bannister, Arizona RHP Jon Garland, San Diego RHP Heath Bell,
Avast, ye hearties: The Pirates are out of players.
Nobody asked me, but …: I think Brian Cashman will come away with a pitcher of some sort before the day is over. His name will not be Roy Halladay, however.
UPDATE, 2:06 p.m.: All quiet in Yankeeland. But the Red Sox are about to get Victor Martinez from Cleveland. Where he plays isn’t certain. But he can play 1B, DH and catch. So they can sit Lowell and Varitek more often. Makes them better offensively but still not better than the Yankees are.
UPDATE, 2:56 p.m.: I didn’t realize until reading some comments that Brian Cashman had an obligation to make a move.
In case you missed it, the Yankees added CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett, Mark Teixeira and Nick Swisher during the winter. Cashman also didn’t put a player development program into motion with the idea of trading players the first chance he had.
Baseball is changing. Prospects are valuable commodities in the new baseball economy and the Yankees are holding onto the best ones they have.
The Yankees could use another starter. But they have need that all season and they’re still in first place. Plus, deals can and will be made in August. Just calm down.
UPDATE, 3:42 p.m.: Post is reporting the Yankees have traded for Reds utilityman Jerry Hairston Jr.
UPDATE, 4:08 p.m.: They sent Low A ball catcher Chase Weems to the Reds. That appears to be the only deal made by the Yankees.
Scott Rolen to the Reds and Nick Johnson to the Marlins. Toronto had said they would deal Rolen unless they first traded Halladay. Don’t forget, the Manny deal went down late last year.
UPDATE, 4:23 p.m.: The press release from the Yankees:
The New York Yankees today acquired infielder/outfielder Jerry Hairston, Jr. from the Cincinnati Reds in exchange for minor league catcher Chase Weems.
Hairston, 33, batted .254 (78-for-307) with 18 doubles, 1 triple, 8 home runs, 27 RBI and 7 stolen bases in 86 games with the Reds in 2009, appearing at third base (33G), shortstop (31G), second base (9G), left field (9G), right field (5G) and center field (3G). He has hit .271 (71-for-262) with 7 homers in 70 games since May 5 after opening the season with a .156 (7-for-45) average and 1 home run through his first 16 games.
Originally selected by the Baltimore Orioles in the 11th round of the 1997 First-Year Player Draft, Hairston is a career .259 hitter with 174 doubles, 47 home runs, 279 RBI and 134 stolen bases in 984 games over parts of 12 seasons with Baltimore (1998-2004), Chicago-NL (2005-06), Texas (2006-07) and Cincinnati (2008-09).
A native of Naperville, Ill., Hairston is a third-generation Major Leaguer with his grandfather Sam playing for the Chicago White Sox (1956), uncle John with the Cubs (1969), and father Jerry with the White Sox and Pirates (1973-89). He and his brother Scott, who is currently an outfielder with the Oakland Athletics, are one of three three-generation families in Baseball history, joining the Boones and the Bells.
Weems, 20, was selected by the Yankees in the sixth round of the 2007 First-Year Player Draft. He batted .260 (45-for-173) with 10 doubles, 1 HR and 14 RBI in 55 games with Single-A Charleston this season. Weems made his professional debut in 2008, combining to bat .220 (18-for-82) with 8 runs, 5 doubles, 1 home run and 10 RBI in 33 games with the GCL Yankees and Charleston.
UPDATE, 4:26 p.m.: Jake Peavy (yes, off the DL) to the White Sox. Apparently he will approve it. Halladay has not been traded.
i wanted washburn
“Avast, ye hearties: The Pirates are out of players.”
Classic Pete
Just curious Pete – who do you think it will be then if not Halladay? Starter or Reliever?
I think Cashman will surprise us all and pull something out of nothing.
I got nothing in the fire right now.. hush hush. Maybe something in the works.. but if it something happens, I would truly be surprised.
“Avast, ye hearties: The Pirates are out of players.”
LOL
Bannister for Melancon. You heard it here first.
Rebecca:
Or maybe nothing out of something.
Garland makes a lot of sense. Innings eater, may give up some homers but the House that Trost built but who doesnt. Starter should be our #1 priority
“According to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Pirates are “probably, but not necessarily,” done dealing. The writers suggest the Bucs will listen on pitchers Paul Maholm, Zach Duke, and Matt Capps, but are not shopping them.”
Brian I say it’s time to call up Zach Duke from AAAA
Mike Mussina is in George’s box!
^That’d be my dream. I miss him.
Doesn’t sound like Detroit gave up a king’s ransom for Washburn, so I’m surprised that the Yanks didn’t make a push to get him. I assume that the idea is to build long term strength by hanging on to a lot of prospects, which is an approach I like after suffering thru many years where the Yanks traded every prospect they developed.
I think cashmoney does nothing.
“Bannister for Melancon. You heard it here first.”
Sure genius.
“I think Cashman will surprise us all and pull something out of nothing.”
I think more will be surprised if he doesn’t.
Duke/Garland/Lannan ?? I don’t think these guys are worth the price of admission… but then, anything is better than Mitre at this point…
The Pirates are out of players? I thought they still had Zach Duke?
we DO NOT want bannister. please don’t talk about it lest someone in the yankees actually reads it and goes hey… lets go get him!
I don’t like the Sox right now still grinding over Doc. So far we haven’t been able to beat them this year.. and well, if they add Doc, I won’t be very happy.
IF ONLY, Wang was his usual self, we’d be 100% A.OK. Ugh.. so frustrating about CMW.
I’ll count my blessings that Joba has been pitching very well of late. If he wasn’t.. who knows what would’ve happened.
I’m feeling Albert Pujols to play RF and Chris Carpenter for all of Scranton and Half of Trenton. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Pirates can still gut the system… I really do not see Maholm or Duke being moved, but they still have a viable reliever/Closer in Capps
You’re wrong Pete. Pirates have Zach Duke and Matt Capps.
sunny, Duke is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally underrated
“Doesn’t sound like Detroit gave up a king’s ransom for Washburn, so I’m surprised that the Yanks didn’t make a push to get him. I assume that the idea is to build long term strength by hanging on to a lot of prospects, which is an approach I like after suffering thru many years where the Yanks traded every prospect they developed.”
Paco:
.. Or just maybe, he needed the pieces for something else! We shall see soon.
Brandon… are you considering the NL to AL translation affect? (if there is one).
“Pirates can still gut the system… I really do not see Maholm or Duke being moved”
Why not?
I guess that also depends on what the Pirates want in return for Duke
heyman says yanks pessimistic about a move. that probably means they’ll make a move
“Brandon… are you considering the NL to AL translation affect? (if there is one).”
He’s a #2-4 type in the NL, why can’t he be #4 – 5 type in the AL.
Am I allowed to do this even though Rebecca is the go-to Twitter person?
“mlbtraderumorsRT @JonathanMayoB3 I’m hearing odds of Padres dealing AGonzalez are very low at this point. #mlbtrades”
I assume this means it’s VMart or Halladay or bust for the Sawks, most likely.
Oh, my goodness gracious.
Thanks Pete! I was hoping you would say no way to Halladay! Now he is a lock to NYY!! LOL! I bet it happens around 3:30 pm. Rios will be with him.
Mike Mussina is in George’s box!
Now that is some funny stuff right there.
(from previous thread)
“If Boston is close to getting Halladay (which doesnt sound like they ar) Yankees have to step in, make a mindblowing offer, and put him in pinstripes”
Anthony, I absolutely respect your opinion and on this one we can just agree to disagree.
I’m confident in the Yankees no matter where Doc is. If I had to guess though my guess would be the same as yours in terms of Doc being moved.
GO YANKEES!!!
GO ORIOLES!!!
Trisha, I’m sorry, that’s a silly response – asking if the world will end? What does that have to do with anything? IMO, if the Sox get Doc, the division title is theirs for the next few years and they will be heavy favorites to win the WS. That’s how I see it. It has nothing to do with not having faith in the Yankees, who are a very good team. I do not normally advocate for the Yankees making moves out of fear of the Sox or any team – but they did it Tex (which I agreed with) and I think they need to make every effort to keep Roy out of Beantown. I do think the Sox will be more willing to give up what the Jays want, especially if they are being thwarted in their efforts to land a bat.
I do like Duke. With a decent lineup behind him, it could be interesting.
Josh Willingham anyone?
just checking out my new tagline.
“oh lordy, Oh goodness, Oh gracious, my, — it’s Mike Mussina and he’s in Mr. Steinbrenner’s box and he’s BACK to save the Yankees!!”
They didn’t get Tex to keep him from the Sox. They got Tex because he was an absolutely perfect fit for our club. It just happened to work out that we blocked the Sox. Not to mention he was a FA, this was a trade.
No, if the Sox really want Halladay they’ll have to gut their farm. Remember we’re in first, we’re the richest, and we have one of the best farm systems in MLB. Sox don’t have the leverage, we do.
“Josh Willingham anyone?”
I have him on my fantasy team!
Willingham is having a heck of a year, but if we were to get an OF, I think we’d need someone more defensive oriented. Willingham’s more of a bat.
Usually, the translation affect is a little worse than a 3-5… more like a 3 to bullpen…?
“Willingham is having a heck of a year, but if we were to get an OF, I think we’d need someone more defensive oriented. Willingham’s more of a bat.”
NO, his defense have always been under appreciated.
I think the whole transition from Al to NL thing is kind of overrated…if Duke pitches to a 4 ERA and if he’s any better than Mitre he will fit perfectly.
The wonderful thing, and I think trisha will agree, is that even if we don’t or can’t make a move it’s all good.
The Yankees are a good team, very good.
And on the eve of the stretch run, we control our own destiny.
So, no matter who we get or don’t get, go control your destiny, guys.
Shelly Duncan called up
Does anyone have the latest on the possible Buchholz-VMart trade?
I hope the Sux do it because then there rotation would be Beckett, Lester, Smoltz, Penny,_________. Pretty weak rotation
Sounds like all the seller GM’s are asking for the moon – I’m beginning to wonder whether anything else will happen or if it will all happen at 3:59 pm today.
“Shelly Duncan called up”
Brandon response, in ..3..2..1…
RT @BloggingBombers: Chad Jennings reports Shelley Duncan on his way to Chicago to join the Yankees for tonight’s game.
http://community.thetimes-trib.....s/yankees/
here is the link about shelly duncan being called up if ya missed it
“BloggingBombersChad Jennings reports Shelley Duncan on his way to Chicago to join the Yankees for tonight’s game.”
Ah yes, Shelley Duncan, the great defensive center fielder. Makes a lot of sense.
Mussina says to George, “I’d be pitching this year except Joey G took the ice cream and candy away.”
George replies, “I like candy!”
Moose says he does too.
George says, what if we rename the Reggie Bar, a Moose Bar & add an ice cream dessert bar to the locker room.
Moose says, do I have to pitch to Posada?
George says yes.
Moose says, on one condition, that Posada doesn’t get to call the pitches. George says fine he will call them.
Moose comes back & wins his 2009 WS ring as a Yankee.
“Shelly Duncan called up”
ofcourse a crappy batter who can’t play D on the field, it makes sense.
Idiotic move by the Yanks
Duncan doesn’t help at all
bannister for melancon another bad idea.
bannister stinks, melancon has a chance to be real real good, why would anyone with a brain do that? bannister for clagget and something like that is OK.
Melancon is premium prospect… not a B level prospect……..
Cue 30 “breaking posts” about Shelley…
You are hilarious Pete
“According to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Pirates are “probably, but not necessarily,” done dealing. The writers suggest the Bucs will listen on pitchers Paul Maholm, Zach Duke, and Matt Capps, but are not shopping them.”
C’mon Cash, bring Duke to NY.
“Trisha, I’m sorry, that’s a silly response – asking if the world will end?”
Yeah Bets, sorry about that. I guess that’s why I went on to explain what I was thinking about the situation. And that’s also why I said it was possible that I was in the minority in my way of thinking.
I don’t care if the Sox get Halladay. (Would I prefer they didn’t? Of course. But is it to the extent that I think the Yankees should make any move necessary to stop it? Not a chance.) I trust the Yankees won’t be willing to give up the future to prevent the Sox from getting Halladay. I also don’t think that if the Sox get Halladay that makes them the favorites for anything. It makes them a better opponent certainly. But Halladay would likely make anyone a better opponent.
Again, we just think differently on this one. No biggie.
11:49am: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo (via Twitter) finds a 50% chance of a Martinez trade.
7:44am: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports describe the Indians as “pessimistic” about their chances of trading Martinez.
Betsy
You don’t want the Sox to get Doc. If you are the Yankees who are you prepared to give up so the Sox won’t get him? Maybe start with Joba/Hughes and Montero. Give up a bunch of young players. I wouldn’t.
SI reporting Yankees likely won’t make big deal.
What will happen at the deadline
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Hal: Brian, i think it’s smart if we stay right where we are
Brian: Very well Hal, i will look, but will not offer
Hal: Good
*Hank Enters*
Hank: Hey guys..who we getting?
Brian: No One
Hank: THE **** U MEAN NO ONE, WERE THE ****ING STEINBRENNERS WE GET ANYONE WE WANT, WERE THE ****ING YANKEES GOD ****IT
Hal: Calm Down Hank
*George Enters*
George: Hey Guys..who we getting?
Hal: No one Dad..we’re good as we are
George: THE **** U MEAN BOY! WERE THE ****ING YANKEES IF WE WANT SOMEONE WE GET THEM.
Hank: THANK YOU!
George: Go And Get Halladay
Brian: Hunh?
George: NOW!
*5 minutes later*
ESPN REPORTS: The Yankees have acquired Roy Halladay for Jesus Montero, Ian Kennedy and Austin Jackson
Joe I-Haha you clled it. Brandon responded.
Shelly duncan fits right in, he cannot move, strikes out a ton, and is a bad fielder. he may be swishers cousin.
they should bring up Ajax for defensive replacement, pinch running, and a game or 2 in the lineup.. this will not slow down his development 1 bit..
stupid stupid move….
IMO, AJax is headed to Toronto later today along with Coke, McAlister, Pena and Romine for Halladay & Rios.
Duncan puts a hole in the lineup and a hole in the outfield. Is someone else making the decisions while Cash is out trying to get RP’s?
Good for Shelley, for a guy doing so well in AAA, it’s nice for him to get a little playing time on the MLB level.
Cue all the people saying he can’t hit a breaking ball…
“SI reporting Yankees likely won’t make big deal.”
Wow a truly groundbreaking report from SI. Brilliant job guys, I could have told you that a month ago.
Shelly Duncan? The hell….
SI is reporting at The Yankees will most likely take a bathroom break sometime today..
Rayvt July 31st, 2009 at 12:53 pm
IMO, AJax is headed to Toronto later today along with Coke, McAlister, Pena and Romine for Halladay & Rios.
More like this deal would be passed on and he would be headed to Boston.
rayvt that would be a good trade but it will not happen.
rios is a good player, way more athletic the nswisher and even with his present production he ain’t bad…
rt @amyknelson RT: @susanslusser Cabrera deal “very close,” A’s source says. http://bit.ly/azEYf
Bannister doesn’t stink and he’s a starter, which as many of us learned when talking about Joba is more valuable than a reliever.
Melancon for Bannister is a move I’d make in a heartbeat.
Not thrilled with the Duncan move, but we don’t have much choice.
Cabrera can play everyday in CF. We just need someone to cover RF. Swish can play LF to spell Damon once in a while.
stuart a, I got a feeling they have it bad for Bam Bam like they do Ransom. It’s literally a joke, moves like those can cause you games in the standings.
So, Shelley Duncan gets called up from minors because they face 3 lefties, and he’ll presumably play. Why else call him up? He can’t play CF or isn’t a good defensive replacement in the corner OF spot. Yet Eric Hinske who has been productive since the Yankees acquired him has been on the bench and will most likely not start until Tuesday at the earliest. I don’t rip the lineups, but I have to scratch my head at all of this.
Shelley is going to lead the team in high-fives. He will make a big difference in Brett Gardner’s absence.
So I see Schilling checked in on Ortiz. Best summed up as, “disappointment” but he’s a friend so he won’t rip him.
“The wonderful thing, and I think trisha will agree, is that even if we don’t or can’t make a move it’s all good.
The Yankees are a good team, very good.
And on the eve of the stretch run, we control our own destiny.
So, no matter who we get or don’t get, go control your destiny, guys.”
YAY MEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every single word from your lips to God’s ears.
You rock girl. Etch those thoughts in stone. Perfect perfect perfect.
(I guess that means I agree with Mel)
Gotta go grab lunch, enjoy the rumors everyone. Hopefully by the time I get back Cashman has pulled the trigger on a Bannister deal.
What’s the over/under on Shelley and Swish giving each other a black eye and sustaining injury in a celebration?
Unless he’s throwing a perfect game, we’ve seen Joba’s highest inning total for a game on Wednesday night vs. the Rays.
His inninga limits will have to kick in soon and it means the bullpen gets more work for his starts and the need for a No. 5 starter to throw some quality starts.
Any thoughts of getting Halladay now would be an absolute shock
I would rather have Hinske play RF/DH against lefties. They should of gave him a chance to hit lefties, at least he is a major leaguer. Duncan’s defense is worse than Swisher’s is and like we have all seen he swing at every breaking pitch in the dirt. Stupid move..
I like Shelly here for the LHP the CWS are throwing at us. Good chance for Shelly to shine.
Matt K.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:52 pm
What will happen at the deadline
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I like that!!! LOL! More truth than we probably know!
“Melancon for Bannister is a move I’d make in a heartbeat.”
Nah Melancon is too much to give up. I’d give them Pena or something maybe a young pitcher
The Yankees have reacquired pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre from the Mariners for pitching coach Dave Eiland
^^^^ What i want to see today ^^^^
Duchscherer & Sweeney for McAllister & Whelan
Ok, lovely, a big bat in Duncan that can’t play CF, great idea.
Lots of players’ defense is worse than Siwsher’s.
Swishy is not a terrible defender.
Justin Duchscherer is in the process of pitching rehab games.. I think he would be a steal in our situation.
Solid arm, relatively cheap to both acquire and potentially resign. Although the new park’s longball tendency makes that scary. Duch retains a low BAPIP by producing those ‘soft’ fly balls. If they started leaving the park, it’s a different story.
LOL Shelley Duncan. He’s a AAAA at best – he ‘s not a good hitter and he can’t field. Other than that, he’s a great call up. Dumb move.
Duncan is here because the White Sox have 3 lhp starting the next 3 days.
He’ll be gone come Monday.
“According to Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports, the Pirates are “probably, but not necessarily,” done dealing. The writers suggest the Bucs will listen on pitchers Paul Maholm, Zach Duke, and Matt Capps, but are not shopping them.”
So they’re done unless they’re not…some one got paid for this?
Also, I just wanted to update everyone that Albaladejo was brought up from the injured Gardner.
Relief pitcher for starter just seems like a steal to me.
I can’t stand Duncan. CAN’T STAND HIM!!
from = for
Wait,
Shelley’s not known for his defensive skillset, but I’d rather see him out there than Swisher. I think…
Please tell me Shelly Duncan has options that if he needs to be sent down they can do it, instead of being afraid to DFA like they did with Vares, Ransom, and Berroa?
3 more hours
Duncan may just be up for a few days.
I wouldn’t stress out over it.
So who has the better Duncan, Yanks or Sox?
Brian Cashman:
“We don’t need no stinkin’ trades…we’ve got Shelley Duncan.”
“Duncan is here because the White Sox have 3 lhp starting the next 3 days.
He’ll be gone come Monday.”
Tell this to Angel Berroa, Cody Ransom…mostly unhelpful bench players have a tendency of sticking around on the Yankees’ roster for quite some time once they get there.
I know I’m going to see lots of opinions on the Shelley move over the next few minutes.
I really don’t know what to think so I’ll trust the Yankees on this one.
MO SHOULD’VE BEEN IN THE GAME YESTERDAY (Just saying).
who is being taken off of the 40-man for Bam Bam?
carl July 31st, 2009 at 1:00 pm
So who has the better Duncan, Yanks or Sox?
Neither
Cardinals have the best one
Dave (The Dad) the pitching coach haha
In all reality
The Sox..Chris is younger and better
A Poor Man’s Nick Swisher
m-Believe me, you wouldn’t.
Swisher is not a terrible defender, he just has some memorable miscues that make people hate him.
Matt K.
Sox 1up us again
Wait,
That’s fine. But you can’t sell that Swish is a good RF. You’re going to have to take your wares elsewhere.
CaptainsCorner
July 31st, 2009 at 12:56 pm
LOL! Shelly isn’t going to be swinging at breaking balls in the dirt from a LHP! LOL! A RHP whose curve ball breaks away and down he will as that is his weakness albeit a lot of hitters. That is why guys are platooned with a RH hitter vs a LHP & vice versa.
Shelly destroys LH pitching. Basically a hitter sees a pitch breaking towards him much better. This is a good move. Shelly is crushing the ball in AAA. He earned this shot. Sure I’d like AJax here as well, but perhaps he is being traded as we speak!
Minor deal here
RT @danport RT: @Brewercom: Brewers get RHP Claudio Vargas from Dodgers for AA C Vinny Rottino. Vargas will join team tomorrow in SD #mlbtrades
As Tom says, Duncan is here because of:
Friday: RHP Sergio Mitre (1-0, 5.91) vs. LHP Clayton Richard (4-3, 4.65), 8:11, YES
Saturday: RHP A.J. Burnett (10-4, 3.53) vs. LHP John Danks (8-7, 3.89), 4:05, FOX
Sunday: LHP CC Sabathia (10-7, 3.83) vs. LHP Mark Buehrle (11-4, 3.45), 1:05, YES
“Duncan may just be up for a few days.
I wouldn’t stress out over it.”
I’m big on roster flexibility. The Yankees are one Melky HBP in the wrong spot or muscle strain away from having an OF of Swish, Damon and Shelley/Hinske. That’s scary!
Shelly Duncan-Looks like Sloth from the Goonies
Where do these writers come up with odds of a move occuring?
60% of the time, a trade happens everytime.
relief pitcher for a starter is a steal except when the starter stinks, is 5 years older, and the relief pitcher has closing potential down the line.
way to give up on melancon after all of 9 innings at the major league level.
fans here have the patience of my dog…..bannister stinks period the end, look at his #’s he is a bad bad pitcher…..
Rosenthal reporting that the Rangers talks with the Jays are dead.
Hold ups included Derek Hollang – but also Doc’s salary and no trade clause.
The game’s up for JP.
He needs to make a decision on whether or not he wants to be pragmatic or to be Bill Smith this winter.
i would make a move for Duke and Capps….Romine Z-mac and D-Rob should get it done….do it Cash
Swisher plays RF like a kid alone in his backyard throwing the ball up in the air to themselves and pretending it’s the game saving catch in the world series.
calling up shelly is so inconsequntial…stressing over it is silly…it doenst make sense for the yanks to call up ajax who is struggling at the moment…he said himself he wants to play everyday and has his eyes set on making the team next spring
Everyone relax about Shelley, you act like he’s gonna be the RF for the next 10 years.
He’s here for a few games, and anything more than that will not be on a regular basis.
Get me zack duke g money.
Hokie-
I imagine they move Nady to 60 day DL or DFA Cash to make room on the 40
RT @bigleaguestew: Tim Brown: Twins acquire Orlando Cabrera from Oakland in exchange for SS Tyler Ladendorf.
m-I’m not selling that Swish is good. He’s not. But while I formerly disliked UZR looking into it I realize that while it has falws I could use it’s measurements to make the broad stement that Swishy while not good is not a terrible RF’er.
I would rather see a blindfolded donkey with a glove taped to his head roaming right field for the Yankees if my only other choice was Dancing Bear Jr., Nick Swisher.
Don’t get too worked-up over Duncan, it’s not like Girardi is ever going to play him. He takes his cue from Joe Torre: I’ve got “my guys”, and that’s that.
Duncan will be sitting right next to Hinske on the pine.
Joe G. is thoroughly infatuated with Swisher, end of story.
Timmy K speaking the truth. He heard Yankees weren’t willing to give up any prospect of worth. Of course, Olney’s not on the set anymore. Would’ve loved to see his face, as the two stories are completely different.
Bannister and Bloomquist from the Royals. Bloomquist has speed to burn and has played every position except P & C. Good super utility and defensive replacement and has team friendly contract through 2010.
If not Bannister then take Mahay’s contract to lower the price of Bloomquist.
SoCalYankeeFan
oops. Give up any prospect of worth for Bannister.
chris duncan is so good he is playing in pawtucket.
all the duncan boys are K machines and not very good….
“I’m big on roster flexibility. The Yankees are one Melky HBP in the wrong spot or muscle strain away from having an OF of Swish, Damon and Shelley/Hinske. That’s scary!”
Hinske can field other than that STAY HEALTHY MELK MAN!
I wonder what the Giants want for Cain..theyll never part with Tiny Tim
“Swisher plays RF like a kid alone in his backyard throwing the ball up in the air to themselves and pretending it’s the game saving catch in the world series.”
Now I feel highly insulted.
SI’s Jon Heyman (via Twitter) hears the Red Sox are still in talks for Gonzalez. Buchholz, Lowrie, and Masterson are “in the mix” with the Padres asking for Westmoreland and Anderson.
Hinske can’t field. He’s worse than Swishy.
William Buckner, which one are you gonna go with…Blackbeard’s Delight? No, I know, London Gentleman…
Shelly “the enforcer” Duncan will be in Chicago to keep A. J. Pierzynski in check.
If Pierzynski tries any funny business, The Yanks will pull Damon off his Ice Capades duty in LF and insert Shelly.
I’m big on personal flexibility. I can do a full split!
M, for who? If the Yankees don’t want to give up ANY of their decent prospects, then they can’t make a deal. I understand holding onto Joba or Hughes and Montero, but Romine? I wonder if Cash is getting a little too hung up on his youngsters…….
The only team involved with the Jays is the Sox and I think the likelihood is great of a deal being done because so far they have not been able to get a bat………
12:04pm: SI’s Jon Heyman hears the Red Sox are still in talks for Gonzalez. Buchholz, Lowrie, and Masterson are “in the mix” with the Padres asking for Westmoreland and Anderson. Heyman adds, “However, the sides are still pretty far apart, and Boston is still in the mix for Martinez.”
I want Matt Cain..but the Giants probably want the farm..
“bannister stinks period the end, look at his #’s he is a bad bad pitcher”
Stuart you need to look at his numbers again, he is not a “bad bad” pitcher. He is a good back of the rotation guy, is young and cheaper than the other alternatives out available on the trade market right now. I would not trade Melancon for him straight up, but I would trade for him somehow, if do-able. If KC wanted David Robertson and another minor league prospect of some type (not Jackson, Montero, Romine or McAllister), I would do it.
I’m calling BS on that Gonzalez offer. The Sox would never give up that much.
Betsy
Romine is going to be a very solid catcher. If Montero doesn’t stick at catcher, Romine will.
Matt Cain is untouchable the same way Joba or Phil are.
why do people say bannister stinks..hes got a 3.8 era and less hits than innings pitched…ill take that as my number 5 every year..plus hes cheap as dirt
True, Hinske is pretty damn bad out there. No easy solution, unfortunately.
I’ll give Swish this: he’s 100x better w/the glove than Jack Cust.
Worst
Fielder
Ever.
Yahoo’s Tim Brown says it’s a done deal, with the Twins sending Tyler Ladenorf to Oakland for Cabrera.
I think I will give the Yankees the edge in the next three games!
GO YANKEES!!!
The Sox are worried about Masterson.
He doesn’t have the same value he had at the end of last year.
It’s obvious they’re trying to find a team who still values him as much as the Sox did back in April.
“I’m big on personal flexibility. I can do a full split!”
I coudn’t even touch the board when we used to do sit-and-reach in middle school…I only imagine my flexibility has gotten worse.
3.8 ERA, cheap as dirt, less hits than innings pitched…on many teams that’s a number two or three starter.
Yea i relly dont understand calling up Shelly. We already havea good bat who cant play defense who is just sitting on the bench in eric hinske…how in the world does shelly fit in on this team? Not a fan of this move, hopefully it doesnt last more than a few days…I just cant understand how this move makes any sense
Congrats to Shelley, who has worked his tail off in AAA to be back on the team. It’s silly to complain about this as he is probably only going to be here for a few days anyhow. I hope he proves you all wrong.
I see SI’s Jon Heyman is using the predictable approach of guessing as many things as possible so that when 1 happens he can say he was right on.
“I’m calling BS on that Gonzalez offer. The Sox would never give up that much.”
this is the truth. the Sox probably wouldn’t offer that package for Halladay, much less Gonzalez.
“I’m calling BS on that Gonzalez offer. The Sox would never give up that much.”
The Sox offer is way too light for Gonzalez.
They’ll need to give up Buchholz and Kelly to get Gonzalez from San Diego.
Padres have no reason to trade Gonzalez unless it’s on their terms.
They can trade him any time for the package they want.
Unlike Doc, Gonzalez doesn’t lose value this winter.
Lowerie and Masterson might be nice players but they are hardly guys you can count on as franchise cornerstones.
betsy,
Tim K said the Bannister deal never materialized because the Yankees were unwilling to give up prospects, and he followed by saying that even the big market teams want to hold on to their best prospects.
RT: @susanslusser: Duchscherer’;s rehab start at Sacramento tonight has been scrapped. No reason stated, will try to find out more.
The Sox don’t need Doc the way they need Gonzo.
Agreed with CB, the Padres are the ones who need to be “blown away” by an offer.
ESPN’s Amy K. Nelson, via Twitter, says the Dodgers acquired catcher Vinny Rottino from the Brewers for pitcher Claudio Vargas.
M, thanks. Again, I understand holding onto the best, but the Yankees should be going for the kill…. now, I have no idea what the Royals asked for, but I really hope the Yankees are not killing deals because they don’t want to give up anyone.
LOL Evan Roberts thinks Victor Martinez would practially put the Sox over the top…………
It depends on who the Royals asked for…Montero is a NO. Joba/Hughes (for Bannister) HAHAHA are you kidding me? Romine probably a no too.
if JP was smart he’d approach both the Sox and Yanks and say… I’m talking to both of you – give me your best deals, the winner gets Halladay. It would at least give him a decent return I would think.
“Congrats to Shelley, who has worked his tail off in AAA to be back on the team. It’s silly to complain about this as he is probably only going to be here for a few days anyhow. I hope he proves you all wrong.”
Although I think he’s a poor match for what we need to replace in speed and defense from losing Gardner, I agree with you here Christina. Having an extra righty makes sense with the matchups we have for the rest of the ChiSox series and I hope he plays well.
Is there any chance the Yankees make a deal with Philly for Pedro Martinez? Now that the Phils have Cliff Lee they don’t need Pedro. If Pedro were dealt to the Yankees he could pitch the first 3 or 4 innings of each of Joba’s starts with Joba pitching the next 3 or 4 innings…a chance to extend Joba.
2 hours and 44 minutes until the trade deadline!!!!!
Btw- did you hear Washburn is going to the Tigers? LOL (sorry, I could not resist)
Rebecca, you are doing a fine job as AOTN
betsy,
9 times out of 10, the Yankees get their man. They’ve fielded very good teams over the last how many years. They know what they’re doing.
“if JP was smart he’d approach both the Sox and Yanks and say… I’m talking to both of you – give me your best deals, the winner gets Halladay. It would at least give him a decent return I would think.”
The thing with this approach is that he would be talking to intelligent people not the kind of idiots that would fall for this kind of ploy…
I really hope that Cash gets a starting pitcher. They are already one starter short right now and when Joba hits his innings limit in about a month he will be out of the rotation also. So they will only have 3 starters..Cash is probably thinking that he will just take Aceves out of the rotation but the bullpen is not deep enough to do that.
“LOL Evan Roberts thinks Victor Martinez would practially put the Sox over the top”
I guess Wakefield being on the DL Penny sucking it up and Smoltz being 42 is that important.
Ive said this the whole time,
The red sox should be held over a barrel or anybody they want because they have ZERO LEVERAGE
adrian gonzalez is young, cheap, and really really good.
he is worth 4 or 5 prospects he is worth more then halladay or cliff lee who both are older and have less years on there contract.
adrian gonzalez is almost as good as Texiera….
THe prob with Roy is that he is very expensive…YOu can all thank AROD for his horrendous contract!
THe prob with Roy is that he is very expensive…YOu can all thank AROD for his horrendous contract!
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
RT: @susanslusser: Duchscherer’;s rehab start at Sacramento tonight has been scrapped. No reason stated, will try to find out more.
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Just curious, he’s on the DL, right? Aren’t you not allowed to trade players on the DL?
Or am I wrong?
“It’s obvious they’re trying to find a team who still values him as much as the Sox did back in April.”
Not going to be the Padres. Towers knows how to build a bull pen.
And Masterson’s been exposed against lefty pitching. He’s a bull pen guy and they’ll want front line starting pitching for Gonzalez. And a lot of it.
Even taking Buchholz and kelley is a risk for them as kelly is only in A ball and has hardly thrown any innings this year before getting shut down. Buchholz himself is a risk given his uneven mlb performance.
Gonzalez has one of the 10 best contracts in the majors given his talent.
There’s nothing more important for a team like the padres than that kind of value.
I don’t even know why they’d trade him for prospects. I’d try to get young pitchers with some kind of mlb track record of success.
It just started pouring outside my window. Nice.
you cannot trade a guy on the DL..
Thank you Arod
“William Buckner, which one are you gonna go with…Blackbeard’s Delight? No, I know, London Gentleman…”
Hokiehill,
These trade rumors have a pungent odor. Stings the nostrils. I’m not going to lie, Heyman rumors smell like pour gasoline.
It wouldn’t be a ploy, more like – get the best deal you can now that all other avenues have been expended and I know you both need starters. Worst case? He keeps Doc. Just like he’s going to do now.
Does everybody really think that when Joba hits the innings limit they would seriously take him out of the rotation? I just dont see how they could do this in their right minds.
Buster’s rumors are illegal in nine countries… Yep, they’re made with bits of real panther, so you know they’re good.
“Just curious, he’s on the DL, right? Aren’t you not allowed to trade players on the DL?”
The deals can get executed as trading for a “player to be named later.”
So technically you can’t trade for a guy on the DL but effectively you can.
you can trade a guy on the dl as long as the commish agrees to it
We have a saying in my country – “the coyote of the desert likes to eat the heart of the young and the blood drips down to his children for breakfast, lunch and dinner and only the ribs will be broken.”
If you can understand this, you will know what trade Cashman will make.
“you can trade a guy on the dl as long as the commish agrees to it”
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much like the last 20 years, when players could also use PEDs if the commish agrees to it
RalphieD (OPPC) YES Radar Gun=Terrible
July 31st, 2009 at 1:24 pm
you can trade a guy on the dl as long as the commish agrees to it
You are correct!
I haven’t found any info on this – but what is the scouting consensus on Joba’s delivery/mechanics? Is his body type really prone to injury?
Girardi said in the beginning of the season that Joba was slated for 30 starts.
But he said something a week or two ago that got the writers all frothed up about Joba’s IP limit.
I think they’ll let him make his starts. That’s what they planned all along.
Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention. I’ve just been handed an urgent and horrifying news story. I need all of you, to stop what you’re doing and listen…
Cannonball!
CANNONBALL
“I haven’t found any info on this – but what is the scouting consensus on Joba’s delivery/mechanics? Is his body type really prone to injury?”
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for my non-expert opinion, no it’s not prone to injury.
if anything, he has a free and easy delivery given the velocity he derives.
I still think Garland would be a great pickup.
Nobody asked me, but …: I think Brian Cashman will come away with a pitcher of some sort before the day is over. His name will not be Roy Halladay, however.
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I happen to agree with Pete on this. But wouldn’t it be hilarious if Cashman pulls out some sort of rabbit and we all eat crow
“I haven’t found any info on this – but what is the scouting consensus on Joba’s delivery/mechanics? Is his body type really prone to injury?”
The scouting consensus is that he’s been the best pitcher in all of baseball since the break…
Tigers stole Washburn. The guy they gave up, French, projects as a back end starter (minor league whip around 1.40)… so, what does this tell us? Well, the Mariners did not ask for Joba or Phil Hughes. It also tells us the Yanks aren’t going to do much.
“Does everybody really think that when Joba hits the innings limit they would seriously take him out of the rotation?”
Absolutely. They aren’t going to risk an arm injury to him and let him throw 60-80 innings over what he did last season. That is how you become Mark Prior and the Blue Jays pitchers who have been over worked.
” A Jayson Stark source says the asking price for Gonzalez is “astronomical, three times the asking price on Halladay.”
Are the Pads really asking for 3x the price for Halladay? Does any team even HAVE 3 times the asking price for Hallday? I would think that request means the Rays would have to trade their entire starting 25 for Agon…?
Ducscherer has pretty good numbers over his career.
“” A Jayson Stark source says the asking price for Gonzalez is “astronomical, three times the asking price on Halladay.””
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a Red Sox leak?
to make SD seem silly to hope they lower their asking price?
Sweet Lincoln’s mullet I wish 4pm could just get here already!
“THe prob with Roy is that he is very expensive…YOu can all thank AROD for his horrendous contract!”
Yeah, and when Arod (and that “horrible contract”) returned to the Yankees in early May, the Yankees became a different team and ARE now on one of the best in baseball. So thank you Arod (and your horrible contract) … thank you very much!!!
SD has very, very little incentive to deal Gonzalez. The asking price SHOULD be astronomical.
Especially when one considers they’re asking for the more obtainable Heath Bell.
I agree about A-Rod disco stu.
i would absolutely love to see Justin D as a Yankee..in the back end of our rotation he could be killer
I hope Cabrera helps the Twins beat out the Tigers for the NL Central division.
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 31st, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Ducscherer has pretty good numbers over his career.
++++++++
As a starter? His career as a starter began in 2008…
Hokiehill
July 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Sweet Lincoln’s mullet I wish 4pm could just get here already!
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2 hours and 29 minutes until the trade deadline passes!!!!
Btw- “Guess the Line Up” at 3 today during the heat of trademania. Please do not try to suck as badly as you all did yesterday
“a Red Sox leak?
to make SD seem silly to hope they lower their asking price?”
To let the Red Sox Nation know that the little engine that could tried but the other party just wasn’t reasonable and that’s why we couldn’t get Gonzalez.
“a Red Sox leak?
to make SD seem silly to hope they lower their asking price?”
Nah! Pads are in something of a win-win. They either end the day with Gonzalez or score a sh*tload of higher end prospects.
so… technically yes, Ducscherer has pretty good numbers over his career…
“SD has very, very little incentive to deal Gonzalez. The asking price SHOULD be astronomical.
Especially when one considers they’re asking for the more obtainable Heath Bell.”
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Rebecca,
exactly.
think about what they want for Heath Bell. They must want the moon and the stars for Gonzo (and like you said, why not?)
What’s the name of this network? Espen? That’s a terrible name. This place is run by a bunch of children.
““a Red Sox leak?
to make SD seem silly to hope they lower their asking price?”
Nah! Pads are in something of a win-win. ”
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I’m not saying they will fall for it.
but that was almost certainly leaked by the Red Sox
Captains Corner…
Im fine with not overworking Joba because you want him to be a mainstay in the rotation for years to come. But its all about winning championships, and this team is built to win right now, and with the way Joba’s been pitching, he can lead us there. I just feel like if he keeps pitching like this there’s no way we wont see him starting in big games down the stretch and into October.
http://www.yesnetwork.com/medi.....id=5835747
Great video on Yankee prospects
Cashman to JP.
I miss your sent. I miss your must. When this is all over, we should make a trade together.
“Btw- “Guess the Line Up” at 3 today during the heat of trademania. Please do not try to suck as badly as you all did yesterday”
You sure you’re OPPC????
Arroyo admits he may be on the list, further tainting the 2004 WS Sux.
“so… technically yes, Ducscherer has pretty good numbers over his career…”
out from the bullpen.
With Billy Beane driving the Ducscherer bus, you know the asking price would probably start with Hughes…
Duncan earned some PT at the big league level. Everyone relax.
Dumb move to bring up Shelley – unless he becomes trade bait now. Isn’t he out of options?
How far away is Ian Kennedy from pitching any menaingful (if you can call Scranton that) games?
Steve B
July 31st, 2009 at 1:34 pm
“Btw- “Guess the Line Up” at 3 today during the heat of trademania. Please do not try to suck as badly as you all did yesterday”
You sure you’re OPPC????
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Haha, yes. I am only teasing everyone. I was completely flabbergasted when 31 people participated sending me 22 different line up combos and not one of them was the one chosen by Joe Girardi.
Joe Girardi eluded everyone!
He had decent numbers last year too.
I don’t know what KC was asking for Bannister, I imagine it would be somewhat expensive in prospects. Bannister is entering his prime years (he’s 28), he’s pitching to a good ERA this year, he’s under team control for several more years. So I don’t think KC would give him up for a bag of balls because he’s a nice starter and cheap.
BTW, I would give up Melancon for Bannister in a heartbeat, relief-only pitchers are volatile, I wouldn’t go and project him to be the closer of the future just yet…
adrian gonzalez again is a very good player..
he is young, really good, and cheap.
halladay is great, old, and his contract is expensive and over in 16 months……….
“Arroyo admits he may be on the list, further tainting the 2004 WS Sux.”
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from everything we’ve heard, if you were on the list, you were told you were on the list.
all of this “i may be on the list” or “im shocked i was on the list” is ridiculous.
these players either need to fess up or keep their mouths shut. they’re just making things worse by continuing to lie.
As a starter too… in 08 Ducscherer had an ERA of 2.54, 6.04 K9, 2.79 K/BB, and a WHIP of 1.00. Not too shabby.
A few days ago I heard that the A’s were just looking for a midlevel prospect for Ducscherer. If that’s the case, why shouldn’t the Yankees go hard after him?
I did not annoint Melancon as the future closer but my eyes and melanconc results do not lie.
he has excelled in the Pac 10, in the minors, and is young and has + stuff.
again banniseter has been mediocore at best over 4 years in and out of the bigs… abeledajo or robertson for bannister maybe on robertson yes on abeledajo and others..
a pitcher that cannot go more then 5 innings basically ever and has a high ERA does not give you much…..
Melancon has value…………
“With Billy Beane driving the Ducscherer bus, you know the asking price would probably start with Hughes…”
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Beane has already said he only wants a “moderate” prospect back.
yes, that’s vague… but it’s certainly not Hughes, Montero, or Joba.
Twins got Orlando Cabrera…
Duchscherer is a quality but fragile arm. He’s a FA next year I think, if his salary requirements are cheap enough he’s a great value when he’s healthy.
It shouldnt matter. The REd Sox are the ones that need A.G. They have an aging team with an Outed Big Mami. They
They need to be held at gunpoint to get anybody of value at this point. They better be or once again, the Red Sox machine known as Bud Selig and other GMs will be to blame.
Oh, William Buckner, you are my little gentleman. I’ll take you to foggy London town ’cause you are my little gentleman. Wow, this burrito is delicious, but it is filling.
Haggling Break:
Canseco says he has no knowledge of Rickey using so those speculations from yesterday were off.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/game.....doper.html
no commentary on the steroid announcement is more laughable from nomar/ramon garciappara.. this guy should just admit he was a pharmacy and move on with his life.
it appears the outrage of the leak is much greater when the person leaked was just arod, I wonder why???????????????????????
big poopie was avg. before he started taking the juice…….
pat -
Yes!!! Wooo!
Then I know who it is. Its Eckersley. The guy is the biggest scumbag and RS licker on the face of the planet.
It’s Eck.
Uh oh, from ESPN:
Status Alert
Duchscherer (elbow) has been scratched from his rehab start for Triple-A Sacramento on Friday, the San Francisco Chronicle reports. (Jul 31)
Jim:
The signs do point to Eck
Melky + 1 or 2 Low Prospects for Bannister and Mahay..
Make it happen. Bring up Austin Jackson. We have Pena as a 2nd option and Gardner only 10 days away from returning.
We get a solid #5 starter and another good lefty for our pen.
We lose a bench player (who I like a lot) but also whose trade value will never be higher.
Get em Ca$hman
Kennedy won’t pitch this year except in the Winter leagues.
A Rod needs to get fixed. 13 K’s in last 10 games, 0 HR. I just want him to hit the ball somewhere when he gets up. I don’t know, but he is no threat if I were the opposition. Too bad Washburn landed w/the Tigers, he would have been a good pick up.
“Canseco says he has no knowledge of Rickey using so those speculations from yesterday were off.”
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as far as I know, I was the only one making that speculation and I was just making a wild guess.
I hope nobody took what I said about Rickey to be anything meaningful.
Of course, you could put a list of all the all-stars from 1998-2005 on a dartboard and hit PED users left and right.
pat…
who could it be then? Ripken? Baines? Murray? Hopefully not tony gwynn
the MLB Trade Rumors site must be getting hammered right now
people may not be aware that Melky is 24 years old and a decent major league CF.
trading him for a scrub pitcher and a old scrub lefty specialist is stupid…
CF have way more value then scrub pitchers………..
RT @NYBD Tampa Source: Yanks Appear To Be Done | http://tinyurl.com/ma9pg3
I thought it could be Rickey as well…for what it’s worth.
Just release all the freakin’ names already
Ducsherer isn’t exactly a scrub pitcher if that’s who you’re referring to.
“BTW, I would give up Melancon for Bannister in a heartbeat, relief-only pitchers are volatile, I wouldn’t go and project him to be the closer of the future just yet…”
Besides, if Melancon ever did become a good closer, that would just give the Royals more incentive to let go of Soria, who would be a perfect replacement for Mo
FYI from espn
When the Yankees called on Jarrod Washburn, Seattle asked for either of the Yankees’ top two position-player prospects — catcher Miguel Montero or outfielder Austin Jackson, ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reports. The Yankees then made a counterproposal of lesser prospects and never heard back, as Seattle plowed ahead and dealt Washburn to Detroit.
Rebecca-Yeah, like that means anything at all.
BD 2.0 they were saying it on the radio and TV as well.
Jose said last night that he was speaking theoretically, that based on the number of people who were trying PEDs that it stands to reason someone will get in.
stuart a
July 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Thanks Stuart! You took the words right out of my mouth! Melky has a high upside too as a CF and/or a potential corner OF as well.
ESPN is SOOOO stpuid.
I’d give up Miguel Montero, it’s JESUS I want to keep.
Idiots.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
July 31st, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RT @NYBD Tampa Source: Yanks Appear To Be Done | http://tinyurl.com/ma9pg3
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Interesting. But I still won’t fully believe it until 4:01
2 hours and 13 minutes until the trade deadline!!!
Not sure if this was posted buy Buster Olney reported the following on his twitter: Reports: Hall of Famer that used PEDs is Dennis Eckersley. Canseco has said Rickey Henderson not the Hall of Famer
Wait till they come to OUR house AGAIN
July 31st, 2009 at 1:45 pm
It was Bannister & Mahay!
So I was totally right yesterday about Canseco. That’s exactly what I thought he meant.
If the Sox do trade Buchholz for VMart- whp is going to pitch for them? Do they have a stockpile of pitchers I am unaware of?
Ah okay. Thanks RayVT.
More of a chance that Babe Ruth will play in right? We have Shelly Duncan so my sources say Roy will be a Yankee
Evan Roberts = clueless. I guess he is not aware that the number of games V-Mart will catch from here on out are fewer and fewer each year.
Semi-interesting Arod stats:
Last 14 games:
.193 avg, .246 OBP, .333 Slg, .577 OPS. 18 K’s, 4 BB, 2 homers, 7 Rbi. The Yankees record in those games? 10-4
Previous 14 games:
.391 avg, .540 OBP, .870 slg, 1.410 OBP, 8 K’s, 15 BB, 7 homers, 16 RBI. The Yankees record in those games? 10-4
“Not sure if this was posted buy Buster Olney reported the following on his twitter: ”
Buster Olney is not on Twitter. That’s a fake account.
ESPN made it clear that anything from Twitter from “Buster Olney” is fake.
wow huge megaton if Eck used roids
“Gonzalez has one of the 10 best contracts in the majors given his talent. ”
Man you aren’t kidding. He is CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and he has an impact bat. He makes 3 mill this year, 4.75 mill next year and has a 5.5 mill option in 2011. This is a guy with a .929 OPS and 28 HR playing half his games in Petco.
The Padres aren’t trading him unless the Sox really blow them away with an offer. He’s young, one of the best hitting 1B in the league, a fan favorite and EXTREMELY cheap.
Thanks CB.
its too quiet, i have a feeling cashman will get halladay for hughes, melky +prospects. he will do something.
“When the Yankees called on Jarrod Washburn, Seattle asked for either of the Yankees’ top two position-player prospects — catcher Miguel Montero or outfielder Austin Jackson, ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reports. The Yankees then made a counterproposal of lesser prospects and never heard back, as Seattle plowed ahead and dealt Washburn to Detroit”
how can this be true…how do you ask for montero, 3rd best prospect in baseball, or ajax, top 50 prospect, and then settle for luke french??!!??!?
rayvt, I think Melky is a very solid player, and he’s more than people were saying he was the last couple of years, but I think saying he has a high upside is getting a little carried away.
“stuart a
July 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Thanks Stuart! You took the words right out of my mouth! Melky has a high upside too as a CF and/or a potential corner OF as well.
“
CB
Where did ESPN make that mention?
“If the Sox do trade Buchholz for VMart- whp is going to pitch for them? Do they have a stockpile of pitchers I am unaware of?”
With Bard assuming a bigger role, they could probably use Masterson as a starter. Maybe Bowden.
“If the Sox do trade Buchholz for VMart- whp is going to pitch for them? Do they have a stockpile of pitchers I am unaware of?”
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I was thinking the same thing.
I’m guessing that’s one reason why they want to involve a 3rd team (Kansas City?).
Sox get VMart and a guy like Bannister and give up Buchholz and a lower level prospect
highest value positions are ss,cf,catcher, then 3b, and on and on……….
scrub 5th starters and lefty specialist are a dime a dozen
steve phillips is a total moron. just stated trade hughes and joba for hallady give both. now I know why he is no longer a GM
what a friggin moron..
Getting closer to 4pm
– Shaughnessy says that the Red Sox have to be upset that two Red Sox names came out and not the whole ’03 list. The timing of these revelations make Boston look really bad.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/
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Ugh! Really Shaugnessy? You go onto the Dan Patrick show to shovel that crap? How about being the first and only person named from the list?
Everything else he says there is fine, but don’t do the “woe is Boston” crap. We’ve been there, done that.
Also, on that link is mccarver saying that Halladay’s headed to Texas. His only source? His gut telling him because Nolan Ryan is involved.
S. Phillips on ESPN radio: “NYY should trade Joba & Hughes to get Halladay.” No wonder he’s in the media now.
“With Bard assuming a bigger role, they could probably use Masterson as a starter. Maybe Bowden.”
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that almost defeats the purpose of trading for VMart.
they can’t possibly count on Smoltz or Penny.
they need pitching even if they keep Buchholz.
if they move Clay, they should absolutely be getting a starter today to replace him.
The busterolney account is a fake, confirmed by many people.
“Where did ESPN make that mention?”
It was two days ago after all of those Buster Olney twitter rumors were coming out about Halladay. There was some fake report from that account that said the Jays asked for Lester and Buchhholz from the sox, etc.
Espn then said that buster is not on twitter.
Makes sense – buster’s stuff on rumors is in their “insiders” section. Why give it away for free if you are going to try to charge for it on the insider section.
stuart a July 31st, 2009 at 1:44 pm
people may not be aware that Melky is 24 years old and a decent major league CF.
trading him for a scrub pitcher and a old scrub lefty specialist is stupid…
CF have way more value then scrub pitchers………..
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I think we can all agree Melky isnt an everyday center fielder. He hits in streaks. We have a CF waiting in the wings.
Bannister is not a scrub pitcher. What are you watching?
And Mahay is a solid lefty out of the pen, which last time I checked, we needed.. Just because they pitch for the Royals, doesn’t make them scrubs.. Bannister has an ERA below 4 on a bad, bad team. How is he a scrub?
I think Austin Jackson and Brett Gardner, when he returns in 2 weeks, would more than fill the void left by Melky.
“how can this be true…how do you ask for montero, 3rd best prospect in baseball, or ajax, top 50 prospect, and then settle for luke french??!!??!?”
I know the yankees were reluctant to take on salary, maybe detroit took on the salary in exchange for lesser prospects. But from what I remember French was a pretty highly touted prospect from their system.
S.A.–Serenity Now: Is it 4pm yet?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Getting closer to 4pm
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2 hours and 6 minutes until the trade deadline!!! (But who is counting
)
Melky is a adequate CF upside is another story but he is still way more valuable then bannister. not even close…
if the sux are going to put bowden a rookie into the rotation or masterson now I say bring them on..good luck…have fun, it will blow up in your face……….
Sox get VMart
!!!
Right now I value Melky higher than Austin Jackson.
There is no reason to trade Melk
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.
well, supposedly they get him
“When the Yankees called on Jarrod Washburn, Seattle asked for either of the Yankees’ top two position-player prospects — catcher Miguel Montero or outfielder Austin Jackson, ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reports. The Yankees then made a counterproposal of lesser prospects and never heard back, as Seattle plowed ahead and dealt Washburn to Detroit”
how can this be true…how do you ask for montero, 3rd best prospect in baseball, or ajax, top 50 prospect, and then settle for luke french??!!??!?
How can it be true? It’s not. It makes no sense. It’s just a rumor. Otherwise, why would you settle for a potential #5 starter (he’s a good sized lefty, French, but he’s not dominant against AA and AAA pitchers) when you could get a yankee counter of a guy like Romine or a couple of low-level A, A+ guys with much liver arms… Doesn’t make sense. Seattle has no hatred/love of the Tigers or Yanks. This means it’s a smoke screen.
S. Phillips on ESPN radio: “NYY should trade Joba & Hughes to get Halladay.” No wonder he’s in the media now.
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Shut up Steve Phillips
This is ridiculous…are we really going to trust Sergio Mitre for the next month or so? I can’t believe they let Washburn go for that piss-poor package from Detroit
Shut up Shaughnessy and Red Sox Nation, go have a beer w/Obama
I’m happy that account is fake
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.
That ESPN report makes me sick. The Yankees did the right thing by not trading Montero (obviously) or Jackson……see, teams just really don’t want to help the Yankees out, even if it means taking a lesser package from elsewhere.
That Mike Silva blog is depressing me. If Hal has put the kibbosh on things…..well, again, penny wise, pound foolish. He’ll have to realize that if the team misses the playoffs or doesn’t go deep into them, that his budget was part of the reason. Yes, I’m well aware he spent a ton of $$$ this offseason, but no one predicted the Wang and Nady injuries. Situations crop up and they have to be dealt with…The Yanks are not being flexible and it will cost them.
Now of course, if teams just are asking for the sun and the moon from the Yankees, there’s really nothing to be done. You don’t give up AJax for Washburn………
“USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.”
oh well…
Agree Paul T 100%
Looks like the Sox will get Vmart after all… hmmm
“USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.
RT: @BNightengale The Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from Indians
No idea who this guy is…USA Today, I think?
My wildly inaccurate guess for the lineup…
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
ARod DH
Posada C
Duncan LF
Cano 2B
Melky CF
Ransom 3B
If the Sox get Martinez, then does that mean they don’t get Halladay? That would make me happy……sort of, lol
Keep politics off this blog. No one cares about your political opinion on anything.
we’ll see if this has any merit… (RE: Vmart)
I knew the Buster Olney twitter was a fake.
It sounded like an impartial Buster Olney who wasnt in the Red Sox back pocket.
“steve phillips is a total moron. just stated trade hughes and joba for hallady give both. now I know why he is no longer a GM
what a friggin moron..”
He’s prbly still upset we didn’t deal Yussse for Jared Burton (REMEMBER HIM STEVIE!)
Guess the package!
I say that Buchholz is NOT included.
Glad we don’t have to see Big Poopie next week since he is imposing the year ban on himself for being a roid user….what a jerk
look at bannisters era for his career not for 15 starts, again a scrub who does not throw hard, and strikes out no one.. guys who cannot strike out anyone better be real real lucky and have unbeleivable control…..
bannister is 28 years old, career era is 4.58, 281 k’s in 501 innings
these are nothing #’s is he better then Mitre? maybe……
sounds like the red sox are getting victor martinez
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from the Indians.
things are heating up
m,
unfortunately, I think you might be right.
I have a gut feeling the Sox pulled this off for 4-5 lesser prospects.
hope I’m wrong.
I wonder what they have to give up. Anybody want to bet it’s not Buchholz or Bard.
inside of 2 hours…the truth will rain down!
Masterson’s not very good. He has a quirky delivery and decent stuff, which probably fooled hitters in his rookie season, but he has been hit around this year. He also never put up great numbers in the minors.
If the Sox get VMart, their offense will be better but their rotation would then be Beckett, Lester, Penny, Smoltz, and Masterson/Wakefield. Not very scary to say the least.
Rebecca yes he is USA Today, remember he was the guy that Giambi spoke to which got him in trouble and a visit to the commissioner’s office.
Sox about to get V-Mart (MLBTR)
Cool so now they have 6 starters for 3 positions. Should be good times in Boston!
my wild prediction:
VMart for -
Bowden, Masterson, Anderson, A-level guy
lol, CB. The “beer” reference isn’t political. It’s current events. The POTUS made an unfortunate remark about the cops who were just doing their jobs, and to kiss and make up they all met for a beer.
The whole story was ridiculous from every angle. Just goes to show that race relations in this country have a long way to go.
Hokiehill- too early!!!!
Resubmit line ups at 3pm when I officially start the game!
oh, and Adam LaRoche too
Steve Philips once said on the air turned down Manny for Edgardo Alfonzo.
Kruk laughed at him.
French must have been a better counter than the Yanks offered
Buchholz better be in that deal…Indians cant possibly get fleeced on two trades can they? Lee was bad enough
S. Phillips on ESPN radio: “NYY should trade Joba & Hughes to get Halladay.” No wonder he’s in the media now.
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No wonder he’s on TV now and not behind the steering wheel of some poor club.
“Shaughnessy says that the Red Sox have to be upset that two Red Sox names came out and not the whole ‘03 list. ”
I don’t understand why ANYONE wants the whole list out there. As a Yankee fan, don’t you fear who else might be on there? Red Sox fans want more names? maybe pedro is there. Met fans shouldn’t gloat – maybe Piazza is there.
I’d hope no more names come out. And if the whole list does come out, you still won’t have everyone because Clemens and the smarter cheaters knew testing was inevitable and had switched to HGH BEFORE the survey testing.
Great Odin’s raven!! my B Erica…
Who is Bob Nightengale? Does this guy have any credibility? USA Today? I can’t remember ever a time when the USA Today newspaper scooped anyone…
I’ll believe it when I see confirmation from other sources….
Martinez to the Sox bothers me none, that means they now have 3 guys to play 1st base unless Lowell is out-he’s not a particularly good catcher and has only been behind the plate about half time anyway.
This seems more of a Yankees post-2002 move-add a big stick, don’t be concerned about the little stuff, than anything else. And, if they trade away a starting pitcher like Bucholz and Dice K and/or Wakefield isn’t effective later in the season, they have a very, very thin starting rotation.
m,
I know what the reference was to.
It was a political comment whether directly, tangentially or sarcastically and has no place on a baseball blog.
Bob nightengale is a very well respected baseball reporter has been around a long long time has plenty of sources
Look at what Cliff Lee was traded for?
I guess it’s not possible for any other GM to treat us fairly and take losers from us like Jon Albalawild for just a decent 5th starter
If the Yanks make no move to get another starting pitcher, put me in the “disappointed” camp.
I never thought the Yanks would get Halladay, and I never wanted them to.
But I did think they needed someone of the Washburn/Doug Davis mold to give them much needed depth in the rotation.
We can make the playoffs even with Mitre as our fifth starter, IF we avoid any more injuries to the starting rotation. But there’s no one in the wings to step in if Andy gets hurt, or heaven forbid CC or AJ.
Maybe there’s enough available post-deadline that’s not an issue. But I would have traded any kid (or more than one) not named Hughes, Joba, Montero, Jackson or Romine for a solid #4 or #5 rotation guy.
Ed Price now saying it looks good for Martinez to Boston and Price has been spot on all week.
*shrugs* I wonder who the Sox gave up.
Steve Philips wasn’t a good enough GM to stay a GM, yet he has advice to give to guys like Cashmand and Theo? Silly, just silly. Of course, I didn’t even fail as a GM and I have advice for Cashman, but I’m protected behind this username and no accountability needed!
vmartinez will help the sux in the short term but not in the long term..they will be a old slow lineup like what I want the yanks to no longer be…
the sux have about 4 1B’s….
CB: Blog police.
Call me crazy, I don’t believe this really a difference maker for Bawston.
Yah, CB.
No place at all, but it made me laugh.
I hope they gave up Mr. I Love Laptops.
Red sox acquire Victor Martinez according to nightengale of USA today
OK, stop with the Victor Martinez “breaking news”. Really, it’s been like 15 mins of the same posts.
Get ready to laugh when you see the “haul” the Indians got from the Sox for V-Mart.
Let’s face it, there are 29 other teams in the majors who are in deep doo doo if one of their front end starters gets hurt, it doesn’t put the Yankees at a disadvantage at all. If CC or AJ gets hurt they will have a tough time winning the WS no matter who they would pick up at the deadline.
So much for Rebecca as AOTN
Jeez-
“Call me crazy, I don’t believe this really a difference maker for Bawston.”
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it’s a very nice addition and could be the difference between hanging on to make the playoffs or not.
LaRoche will be dealt if he wasnt in the VMart deal to begin with.
Buchholz, Masterson, LaRoche for VMart. I hope thats the deal personally as Boston needs a good fleecing
The Red Sox have all sorts of players to trade that you’ve seen their highlights on sportscenter
according to John Bostonbuccigross
I’m going to say this now so it will be on the record when/if it happens:
Yankees are going to get Roy Halladay!
They will have to give up on of the big three Montero, Hughes, Chamberlain, but not two. Toronto says they want two, but Cashman will call their bluff, and, eventually, they will give in. It will be one of the big three, plus three or four of our upper level prospects.
Hate giving up prospects, but, when it comes to a talent like Doc, it’s worth it, but only if you have to give up just ONE of the top 3.
So, there you have it. All speculation of course, but let’s see if I’m right.
I’m guessing the Red Sox got VMart…
anyone else want re-report the same “Breaking News”?
Let the Sox get VMart. He fits right in with them as a guy who’s got a cold bat. He’s been batting .211 for the past 10 weeks. Fits right into the mold of the other ice cold bats like Drew, Bay, Tek and Papi
“Buchholz, Masterson, LaRoche for VMart. I hope thats the deal personally as Boston needs a good fleecing”
That’s be a great deal for Boston.
Boston had absolutely no leverage. They should have been raked over the barrels.
Bucholz or Bard to start with. If not, they just got handed another good player.
“Who Bob is Nightengale”
Isn’t that who they made Catch Me If You Can about?…wait, that was Frank Abagnale, never mind.
I guarantee you Boston gave no one painful up for Martinez. Think Bowden, Anderson, no Buchholtz, Kelly or Bard.
The Red Sox aren’t getting V-Mart to play first base. Ol’ Heart and Soul will see significant pine time.
I almost guarantee Shapiro got taken to the cleaners yet again. Hes not the brightest GM out there. Just a guess. Hope its not true.
“I guarantee you Boston gave no one painful up for Martinez. Think Bowden, Anderson, no Buchholtz, Kelly or Bard.”
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I happen to agree but I hope I’m wrong.
I was thinking Bowden, Anderson, Masterson, LaRoche, $4M (to cover LaRoche)
Victor Martinez means that they’re out of the running for Joe Mauer this off season..
is anyone getting satisfaction out of ortiz, manny and now bronson arroyo positive for roids? sox fans can shove it!
“Boston had absolutely no leverage. They should have been raked over the barrels.”
Not true. It’s Cleveland that was dealing from a position of weakness.
They are losing a ton of money.
I sincerely hope Cleveland took Boston out to the cleaners.
“They will have to give up on of the big three Montero, Hughes, Chamberlain, but not two.”
I’ll go w/ no.
This would have NOTHING to do with Shapiro being stupid.
Quit CONFUSING it.
IT would be another GM HANDING THE RED SOX what they need.
when Cleveland traded Cliff Lee, they had to trade VMart.
Even though the Sox are desperate, it’s a buyers market and Cleveland HAD to sell.
With the clock ticking, the Indians may just take what they can get…
luckily for the Sox
“The Red Sox aren’t getting V-Mart to play first base. Ol’ Heart and Soul will see significant pine time.”
I’d guess he’ll take AB’s from Varitek and Lowell for the most part. Sometimes Ortiz.
Two more hours til the BS stops.
Wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t take much. Didn’t they gift wrap Cliff Lee to the Phillies?
Didn’t Vmart spend some time on the DL this season or last?
It hasn’t happened yet. I’m waiting for confirmation from one of the teams.
Brandon: Stop being a nitwit with the all caps and telling people to shut up. Enough, please. Act like an adult.
Not necessarily, the Sox could always trade off VMart to acquire Mauer or move VM to 1st and spin off LaRoche (if he’s still there)… there are ways…
BREAKING NEWS: Boston gets VMart from CLEV!!!
CB
The Red Sox need someone. Ortiz report came out yesterday. They need someone and need it now.
If they’re losing money, then make them take some contracts along with VMart.
They wont do that or get any prospects.
But……Brandon is awesome?
Brandon got in trouble Brandon got it trouble
stuart a July 31st, 2009 at 1:59 pm
look at bannisters era for his career not for 15 starts, again a scrub who does not throw hard, and strikes out no one.. guys who cannot strike out anyone better be real real lucky and have unbeleivable control…..
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I didnt realize that 72Ks in 116IP was bad for what would be our #5..
The Posada Truthers around here must be rooting hard for the Sox to get Martinez.
After all, the Posada Truthers must think that replacing Varitek with V-Mart is bound to cause a huge decline in the effectiveness of Beckett, Lester and company, right?
Oooooh.
Brandon’s busted.
I can’t wait for this to be over so we can put to rest the Halladay rumors. I don’t want to give up Hughes, Joba, or Montero. Halladay is great and the best pitcher in baseball but it seems pointless to throw away our future for a player that may get us to the world series but not definitely. I hope the Sox are forced to give away a lot for either Martinez or Gonzalez. I am just curious who is going to pitch for them if they give up Buckholz and their pen will be much worse without Bard.
“The Red Sox need someone. Ortiz report came out yesterday. They need someone and need it now.”
No connection between a possible trade and the Ortiz revelations.
hey Pete, since you’re paying attention…can you ask Pettitte what he’s saying to himself when he’s rambling like he was on the mound last night? It was interesting to watch, but he basically had an on-going conversation on the mound literally the entire time he was out there.
VMart going to Boston makes Varitek rather obsolete, huh?
I’m not really frightened if they really did make the move. V-Mart is good, not great.
Steve B-
If Martinez takes ABs from Lowell and Ortiz who cares? It’s got to impact Varitek the most.
Steve B
Regardless of Ortiz, they need someone and need it now. Ortiz is only an addition to the original problem.
Boston tried to acguire felix hernandez, but they turned it down….
UPDATE, 2:06 p.m.: All quiet in Yankeeland. But the Red Sox are about to get Victor Martinez from Cleveland. Where he plays isn’t certain. But he can play 1B, DH and catch. So they can sit Lowell and Varitek more often. Makes them better offensively but still not better than the Yankees are.
Good for them. So long as they don’t get Halladay…
Come on Cash, get us a pitcher…
So laptop to CLE, RS are out.
Pete, go to the movies.
Stuff always happens when Pete’s at the movies.
“After all, the Posada Truthers must think that replacing Varitek with V-Mart is bound to cause a huge decline in the effectiveness of Beckett, Lester and company, right?”
So true.
But being truther’s they’ll say that VMart has suddenly found religion and magically transformed his catching skills by stepping on the hallowed dirt behind home plate at fenway.
He’ll suddenly have become a “better” catcher.
Acquire*
Steve B
July 31st, 2009 at 2:14 pm
“The Red Sox need someone. Ortiz report came out yesterday. They need someone and need it now.”
No connection between a possible trade and the Ortiz revelations.
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I would think Theo Epstein was rather anxious to change the Boston back pages quickly.
Not saying this was the cause of them making a trade, just an added bonus
I honestly don’t care what the Red Sox do.
The boston roid sox have roid rage.
“I’m not really frightened if they really did make the move. V-Mart is good, not great.”
And for the last 2 months, even saying he’s “good” is starting to become a stretch. He’s been below average and has had a slow bat since Mid-May with no sign of that changing any time soon.
If they get VMart…meh
Let’s see who they give up.
Of VMart, Gonzalez & Doc I’m least worried about RS getting VMart
I don’t think they’re even CLOSE to the Yankees offensively, even with V-Mart.
Tell you whhat, their pitching is as shaky as ours.
Hopefully the Sox gave up the labtop. But knowing the steals that they get I wouldn’t be surprised if they got him for 2nd or even 3rd tier guys.
Nightengale on Michael Kay’s show right now and just said that Buchholz is part of the deal.
Not sure about that. I’d be surprised if that was the case.
“Boston tried to acquire felix hernandez, but they turned it down….”
I couldn’t even imagine what my reaction to this would have been.
Martinez is a good player. He’s not very good and he’s not great. He helps them, no doubt. But they have more holes.
Yeah, I know, Brandon, I’m not sure I would like it either, but that’s my prediction:
Yankees get Halladay by trading one of the three (Montero, Chamberlain, Hughes), plus 3 or 4 prospects.
We shall see if it happens.
I think people need to brace themselves for the fact that the Sox prob got a really good deal for VMart
Anybody get the feeling that this V-Mart deal is a precursor to something bigger?
What would be even sicker if the Sox get Mart for catcher and Gonz for 1st because they had to give nothing up for Mart.
Not likely, but with the Sox, always possible.
“VMart going to Boston makes Variek rather obsolete, huh?”
No they will probably play him at first a lot.
You’re right, CB. I didn’t think of that. That mental agility is a distinguishing mark of Truthers.
Giuseppe,
at least it’s something
Buchholz and someone else for VMart and a 4th starter
Sox can’t move Clay without getting a starter of some sort back
Pepitone…
I’ll go one further & say NONE of the big 3 go…plus they eat Rios’ contract
Budget? We don’t need no stinking budgets!
VMart is a perfect fit in Boston. His bat was on fire in April and has declined every month since, just like the rest of their offense.
He can play catcher but he doesn’t throw runners out, and can he call a better game than Varitek? I think not.
He can DH and play 1B but that puts Ortiz or Youk/Lowell on the bench.
J-Boogie
Yes
If the Red Sox get Mart for toilet scraps, then they have enough to go all the way and tremendously improve.
Citizens of Cleveland, guard those laptops?
One thing though: their Ace IS outpitching our Ace.
“Nightengale on Michael Kay’s show right now and just said that Buchholz is part of the deal.”
If true – and I’m not sure what it is given what cleveland got for Lee – that would be very telling of where the Sox are as a franchise.
We’ll see.
# BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Giuseppe,
at least it’s something
Buchholz and someone else for VMart and a 4th starter
Sox can’t move Clay without getting a starter of some sort back
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Agreed. The Red Sox are pretty thin in the rotation as it is.
Cashman,
You need to get a SP. It’s science. And you can’t argue with science.
Martinez still doesn’t help the fact that they have Smoltz and his 7 era pitching for them tonight. I think their pitching is worse than their hitting.
I’m still not sold that this trade has happened yet.
great line Pete about the Pirates but they are not out of players Zach Duke is still out there
great line Pete about the Pirates but they are not out of players Zach Duke is still out there
Hey Pete: Note for future reference, jack up the ads prices in July and October/November.
“If true – and I’m not sure what it is given what cleveland got for Lee – that would be very telling of where the Sox are as a franchise.”
CB:
Wouldn’t it just mean that they think Bucholz is a dud?
Reports: Hall of Famer that used PEDs is Dennis Eckersley. Canseco has said Rickey Henderson not the Hall of Famer
http://twitter.com/busterolney
I don’t see it anywhere else but holy crap if this is true…
Jim Pir-one
That’s what I’m afraid of. I think Theo is up to something that’s going to surprise us.
1:40 to go….
Duke AND Capps are out there.
L to the 2nd
July 31st, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Pepitone…
I’ll go one further & say NONE of the big 3 go…plus they eat Rios’ contract
Budget? We don’t need no stinking budgets!
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I could live with that, no problem. But, my gut is telling me one of those three will be in the trade. Steinbrenner’s cannot let this go by without making a big splash.
Imagine if Boston got Pavano too.
Wonder if they spun Laroche off to the Tribe along with Prospects?
Andrew,
thats pretty funny
but it’s not entirely impossible either
“Wouldn’t it just mean that they think Bucholz is a dud?”
No. Not this time.
It would mean that Boston is desperate.
We’ll see. I don’t think Buchholz will be in that deal given how little Shapiro got for Lee.
J-Boogie.
Dont give Theo the credit. If he’s up to something, it’s only because other GMs are willing to hand things to them.
1918,
They have to spin LaRoche if they get VMart.
they’ll also have to pay for his contract.
Is V-Mart being leaked before finalized a warning shot to San Diego?
Andrew:
His MRI machine would have to be part of the deal.
The busterolney twitter page is a fake.
RT @injuryexpert Buchholz to Indians, but there’s more … Ah, we need Billy Mays for the deadline …
As stated above, Buster Olney is not on twitter. You’re being bamboozled.
still no details for the vmart trade?? that’s questionable. mlbtr posted the announcement that it eas a done deal and then buried it with dud rumors swirling around the angels and the padres.
Please let Pavano be on the way to the Red Sox. I would love the Yankees facing him in any number of the next 10 games the two teams play with 1st place in the division at stake.
rebecca,
Is that will carroll’s twitter?
Red sox were going to get somebody. I am very happy they got Victor Martinez and not Roy Halladay.
in this day and age, it’s not about getting all the details, (or even getting it right), it’s about getting it first.
Pavano always pitches well vs. the Yankees.
Not sure why you’d want to face him.
Poor Shelley. I’m sure he took the United from Scranton to Chicago. Been there.
Awful flight.
Bill Shaikin of the L.A. Times says the Angels and Dodgers are battling for Bell
CRAP
No Buchholtz or Bard in deal per Fox.
“1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.”
Don Legreca needs to stop talking baseball. He’s a dolt when it comes to that.
The excitement is boiling inside. You know cashman has something up his sleeve.
RT @nyp_joelsherman I trust Ken Rosenthal and he is saying that Buchholz is not in the deal.
I would walk to Chicago from Scranton if I had the chance to play Major League Baseball!!!!!
By the way,
RIP Sir Bobby Robson
Whoops copied and pasted the wrong thing lol.
Fox says Bucholz or Bard arent in the deal!
Whoops copied and pasted the wrong thing lol.
Fox says Bucholz or Bard arent in the deal!
“Pavano always pitches well vs. the Yankees.
Not sure why you’d want to face him.”
In what, 4 career starts? I would want the team to face him for the poetic irony of him getting beat by the Yankees in a pennant race after stealing $40 million dollars of their money.
No Bard or Buchholz?? WOW. Shapiro at his best.
Per FOXSPORTS news:
“The Indians’ exact return is not known, but the Red Sox did not include either right-hander Clay Buchholz nor right-hander Daniel Bard in the deal, according to a source.”
Not surprising. This is appalling, another giveaway to the Roid Sox.
Masterson, Bowden, and Anderson better all be in this deal…
As expected, if Bard or Buchholz not in deal
Then they can make another deal with them to put them over the top possible.
Never a surprise with RSN
If Bucholz and Bard are not in the deal Boston just got a steal.
CB:
Will Carroll’s twitter is @injuryexpert
Ofcourse MLBTR says labtops is not in the deal. I would guess Bowden and some lower level guys. If this is true you got to hand it to Theo he usually gets his guy.
1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.
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CB–
Yes @injuryexpert is Will’s twitter
Im reading they didn’t have to trade Clay
Heyman confirms the VMart deal… as does Rosenthal…
Please dont say Shapiro is stupid.
Just another GM handing pieces of the puzzle to the Red Sox.
Fox says Bard and Buccholz are not in the deal! How is that possible!
THATS BS!!!! EVERYONE WANTED TO BLUE CHIP PROSPECTS FROM THE YANKS…BUT FOR EVERYONE ELSE, THEY PRATICALLY GIVE THEM THEIR BEST PLAYERS!!!!!
NO MATTER, WE WILL TAKE NUMBER 27 THIS YEAR!
Andrew-2 times this year and on the biggest stage of all, the WS.
He pitches well vs. us and I’d rather not face him if I don’t have to.
Shapiro gets fleeced again. Can’t say I’m surprised.
Heyman said Washburn wanted to come to the yankees. Too bad TIgers now have a very good starting staff with Verlander, Jackson and Washburn they should win there division.
90 more minutes of madness…
So funny. Shapiro doesn’t get the best prospects from the Phils or the Sox, for two of his franchise’s best guys. Good job getting Chris Perez for DeRosa, not so good on these last two moves, brother.
“1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.”
Well that sucks. And if your a Mets fan why didn’t you get in on this.
Does this mean that the Red Sox are going with v-mart as their catcher for next year since varitek will be gone next year? I think long term this does not make the Red Sox better.
even with a possible spike in Victor Martinez’s fantasy value, I want him OFF my team!!!
I was expecting at least Bucholz to be in the victor martinez deal. Wow Shapiro is a terrible gm.
Doink, stop acting like a clown!
Melky is batting .290 and I love him
Shapiro is an idiot if he couldn’t even get one of Bard or Buchholz.
Terrible. Another gift for the Roid Sox. Why is that not surprising.
For those who want a countdown, turn to espnews. They have one right on the screen.
Please dont say Shapiro is stupid.
Just another GM handing pieces of the puzzle to the Red Sox.
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Its both then. They guy has made ONE good trade in his tenure. He is a BAFOON.
I give this little cookie an hour and a half before the Yankees are doing the no-pants-dance. Time to musk up.
They better have gotten Bowdens, Anderson, Westmoreland and Kelly if they didn’t give up Bard or Bucholz
RT @JonathanMayoB3 Hearing Nick Hagadone is big part of package Red Sox are sending to Tribe for V-Mart. 2007 sandwich pick for Boston
Hadagone is recovering from TJS
Masterson and Hagadone
PLEASE STOP REPEATING THE SAME THING 50 TIMES
Take 5 extra seconds and hit refresh to see if 15 people before you have said the same thing already!
MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.
maybe Theo has naked pics of Shapiro, but that is ridiculous how they gave away Victor Martinez.
Martinez is hitting .175 in July and hit .240 in June, those numbers don’t scare me unless he finds the magic potion in Boston-maybe “Soon to Be Smaller” Papi gives him some.
“Shapiro gets fleeced again. Can’t say I’m surprised.”
He’s amongst the most sabermetrically inclined GM’s in the game. Hired keith woolner. Started a organizational division for “research and analysis.” They systematically try to measure everything. And they’ve adopted many modern day “management methods” and had them permeate that organization.
The Indians have become a disaster of ideas.
PLEASE STOP REPEATING THE SAME THING 50 TIMES
Take 5 extra seconds and hit refresh to see if 15 people before you have said the same thing already!
LOL look at the guys included.
Toilet scraps LOLOLOL
CB,
I told you the Indians would be in good shape if they just got Buchholz for VMart
If Buccholtz or Bard isn’t in the deal then that would mean Bowden Anderson possibly Masterson or Kelly is in the deal. Shapiro ain’t that stupid.
I wonder if Cash has ever called about a player whether it is a back up catcher or a 4th outfielder and the GM DIDN’T say it will take Joba or Hughes??? It seems that is all people ask for no matter how bad the player is. Boston probably got this guy for nothing…
1:35pm: MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal.
its a joke that the Sox get V-Mart and give up nothing in return.
CB – how much would Victor Martinez actually help Boston anyway? His OPS is only about 50 points higher than Varitek’s, and his numbers have been declining every month since his ridiculously hot start.
There is still hope that it’s
Bowden, Anderson, Masterson, Hagadone, LaRoche, $4M
for
VMart, starting pitcher
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamy!
Via Mayo and Carroll, it’s Hadagone and Masterson.
Shapiro should be fired. LOL
Masterson and some guy who came off TJ for a starting MLB switch hitting catcher? You’ve gotta be kidding me, Shapiro.
Well I guess I was wrong. Shapiro is very stupid.
I always knew why I was a negative person, this is why. Boston with no leverage and get rewarded.
So apparently the Yankees are now cheap and can’t afford Brian Banisters 650K salary.
Apparently the Mariners requested with Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, or Jesus Montero for Jarrod Washburn.
Got’cha.
Wow. Tigers get Washburn.
(only kidding Erica)
The Indians can’t trade V-Mart today.
Tomorrow is Victor Martinez Bobblehead Night in Cleveland.
Well, at least they gave up masterson, who is a major league ready guy. Really hoping they could get Buckholtz in the trade though, that would make the Sox rotation pretty thin until DiceK decides he wants to pitch again.
ESPN will spin it – the great VMart traded for KMart quality.
After Boston prospects leave – they were so-so. Good players but not in their plans.
Before Boston prospects leave – they are the second coming of Cy Y. and Ted W.
Im not one to wish harm on people, but I hope that Sergio Mitre drills Youkilis and Martinez in the head and takes em out.
That is ridiculous if thats the deal. Hagadone is recovering from TJS and Masterson is no more than a 4-5 starter or a 7th inning guy.
Shapiro has running that franchise into the ground since that ALCS appearance a couple years ago. What a terrible return.
So much for Mark Shapiro being a good GM…….
VMart will help the Sox – but I’d rather they get thim than Halladay. Still, this has been a very disappointing trade deadline. It appears the Yankees tried to make moves, but giving up Jackson for Washburn would have been asinine – and who knows what the Royals were asking for. By standing still, though, the Yankees hurt themselves. CC, AJ, Joba, Andy, Mitre? Please…..and if any one of those guys go down, we’re in serious trouble.
Tim Dierkes believes the Indians got “quite a haul”… everyone here thinks otherwise… who’s right?
Erica-
You seem to be getting rather frustrated at the same thing being repeated ad nauseum haha
I’m starting to hate baseball.
Jim Pir-one, if I would give you some money out of my wallet, would that ease the pain?
w-t-f is magadone?? I think boston got the better of this deal eventhough V-mart is not a great catcher and is in a bad slump.. Masterson is not a great prospect..
Before trashing Shapiro, maybe he knows something about Martinez and his declining performance that we can only guess at this point in time…
Can you imagine if the WS is Phillies vs. Red Sox with Cliff Lee facing Victor Martinez? Lol.
“I told you the Indians would be in good shape if they just got Buchholz for VMart ”
Not 1 for 1 as that deal was proposed. You don’t trade VMart and put all of your eggs in one bucket.
That’s terrible risk stratification. No way I’d do that.
Buchholz has almost no major league experience. The idea of him alone being enough to get an all star caliber player is off the mark.
How many comparable deals could you point to?
That’s just completely buying into the idea that boston prospects are magic.
No way that’s a good deal one for one.
We couldnt improve our team in any way because the other GMs try to fleece us.
But with Boston, it’s Christmas every day with other GMs
Forgive the phrasing, but Victor Martinez could be a shot in the arm for the Red Sox offense. Just like Jason Bay was last season. No one thought Bay was a great “get” either, but until his recent slumping, he’s been very productive for them. Almost Manny-like, in fact. I never make the mistake of underestimating what some player will do for the Red Sox.
It will be interesting if they didn’t have to give up any “A” prospects for him, though. It makes me wonder if there is any way for Cashman to make a fair market value trade with anyone out there. No wonder he’s waiting for the waiver deals.
It’s basically Martinez straight up for Masterson. A nice haul? Don’t make me laugh. The mediots are at it again.
The Yanks didn’t need to make a big move but at least get someone to replace Mitre.
Masterson is garbage. Soxs got a steal.
Hokiehill,
I have more moey than I know what to do with. Money never buys happiness. Only championships do!
it cant possibly be just Hagadone and Masterson…..that would be worse than the Lee deal
I don’t think those are the only two guys leaving Boston in that deal, that would be impossible. Until it is finalized I think there have to be more names in there. Remember, Phil Coke had been traded to the Pirates last year for Marte + Nady, until he wasn’t.
Are we gonna really sit here and complain the Sawks gave up nothing for Victor when we were practically handed Nady, Marte and Abreu over the last 2 years..
People have real short term memories.
Wow no Bard or Buchholz. Indian fans must be pissed.
MG July 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Before trashing Shapiro, maybe he knows something about Martinez and his declining performance that we can only guess at this point in time…
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all Martinez needs to do is go to Papi’s locker. He’ll get his power back. Than again maybe it was those mysterious shakes from the dr.
May be more to it than Hagadone and Masterson. Lets wait for the announcement
Ramey – Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL
July 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Erica-
You seem to be getting rather frustrated at the same thing being repeated ad nauseum haha
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Haha. Aren’t I transparent???
Btw- Did you hear Washburn to the Tigers?
Hagadone and Masteron are in the deal, or Hagadone and Masterson are the deal? There’s a difference.
Just amazing. How do you trade your best hitter for that package?? Shapiro should of demanded labtops or Bard or held onto him.
The Curious Case of Joba Chamberlain
July 31st, 2009 at 2:40 pm
I’m starting to hate baseball.
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Join the club. I hate all sports. Every Boston team has every commissioner and every GM in their pockets.
I only wish I was Bud Selig, so I could decline deals the RS try to make.
Masterson is a back of the rotation guy at best.
It’s just a bad trade for Cleaveland.
“Not 1 for 1 as that deal was proposed. You don’t trade VMart and put all of your eggs in one bucket.”
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well, we’ll see what the final package is.
If Hagadone and Masterson are the key pieces, I think I’d rather have Buchholz.
“Via Mayo and Carroll, it’s Hadagone and Masterson.”
Nick Hagadone has a great arm. And he’s left handed. His upside is much, much higher than Bowden’s.
A package of Hagadone and masterson isn’t a bad one for the indians depending on who else is in it.
Amazing that teams have zero problem helping the Sox out and ask for the sun and the moon from the Yankees. I can’t decide if I’m annoyed at the Yankees or annoyed for them.
They just got an All-Star catcher for an average, sub par relief pitcher? WTF?
Maria July 31st, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Wow no Bard or Buchholz. Indian fans must be pissed.
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If there are still any.
CB,
sounds like the teams are still in discussion of more pieces going to Cleveland (clearly not premium guys though)
Erica – you stole my joke, that I tried to use on you. I’m hurt.
MLBTR just updated…..Indians are looking at more players to pick from…so its not just Hagadone and Masterson……Cleveland might make out okay here then
Wow horrible trade by the indians. They give up there face of there franchise for Masterson. LOL I would not want to be a cleveland fan.
betsy
July 31st, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Amazing that teams have zero problem helping the Sox out and ask for the sun and the moon from the Yankees. I can’t decide if I’m annoyed at the Yankees or annoyed for them.
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This is what my non-Yankee fan friends can never seem to understand when I say its difficult to be a Yankee fan
and down the stretch we go. An hour and 15 minutes left
That’s BS if they don’t have to give up Bucholz or Bard!!
Everyone demands Joba/Hughes and Montero from the Yankees but all the Red Sox have to give up are secondary prospects??
It looks as if ESPNs touting of prospects helps again.
Ive heard Pete Gammons mention Hagadone. It looks as if Shapiro listened.
I’m expressing my inner anguish THROUGH THE MAJESTY OF SONG!
The Yankees did their deals in the off season; good deals.
C.C. Burnett, then the completely unexpected Tex deal. All while not giving up the next gen.
They have a plan and are sticking to it. Very professional.
Good on ya Cash.
I will lol if the Yankees make a great trade now.
Pretty pissed we aren’t getting a SP. This could bite us in the ass.
TJ Hagadone and #5 starter Masterson, plus a Big Papi D.R. Shake and old Manny dreads for V-Mart.
LOL Shapiro. Unreal.
Mayo reports additional names are going to be added for Cleveland so it’s not JUST Hagadone and Masterson, but I’m willing to wager the other names are just fringe prospects …
Is Masterson any better than Melancon? He has a 4.70 ERA in the majors and had pedestrian numbers in the minors.
I still think the Yanks pick up Halladay at 3:59:59
betsy -
dont ever blame the yankees. for anything.
for failure on the field either. umpires cheat us, same stuff different day.
This is to be expected, and yet I get surprised every time. Randy Moss, KG, Curt Schilling, the list goes on and on.
He doesn’t scare me…this is not the Ramirez/Ortiz duo. Nonetheless, a good bat. I mean, I’d like to see Cash do something….at least, something. We need a back-end of the rotation guy and possibly an outfielder.
Wow the Indians got fleeced.
Why does every trade talk with us start with Hughes/Joba/Montero while the Sox get away with garbage like Masterson. Must be some sort of “Yankees trade luxury tax.”
BA had Hagadone as the Sox #3 prospect ahead of Bard entering the season
What moaning and crying…a bunch of wimps. Chill out.
The Yankees are just about the best team in baseball, and my eyeballs are watering from all of this gnashing of teeth.
Sox still have not corrected their biggest weakness–numbers 3-5 in their rotation.
Victor Martinez? Shapiro may know something we do not, given the .175 average in July.
Let this play out–still 90 minutes to go (thankfully).
It feels a lot better to read a lot of your comments realizing what is going on.
I used to be crazy by everybody for saying that the Yanks got treated differently.
I’d rather worry more about getting another pitcher than the Sawx picking another batter.
“Nick Hagadone has a great arm. And he’s left handed. His upside is much, much higher than Bowden’s.”
Is his situation much different than Brackman’s? 23 year old in the Sallie League trying to rebuild from TJS. 32 K’s in 25 innings for Greenville. 14 walks though.
We’re not getting an outfielder…at least not today. Cashman wouldn’t waste a roster move for Bam Bam if he planned on getting another outfielder…
If the Yankees don’t make a move it’s not the end of the world (hard to believe, probably, for some). If they have an increased need in another week or two, they probably can find someone that can get through waivers. Teams aren’t going to be blocking people on the chance that they get stuck with a guy/contract they don’t want especially this year considering how many teams are pinching pennies (Yankees included probably to a degree, but a much lesser degree compared with other franchises).
LOL Indians – they demanded Bucholz initially and caved for a terrible package.
Just unbelievable, and the Yankees can’t do a darn thing.
Does Theo have Luchino and Henry muzzled somewhere until the deal is done?
I have to say, of all 3 scenarios (Halladay, Gonzalez or VMart), this is probably the least panic-inducing for Yankee fans.
As long as it’s not Roy Halladay, it’s not catastrophic.
“5. LHP Nick Hagadone: The Sox top selection in the 2007 draft as a first round supplemental pick (55th overall), he allowed five runs in his professional debut… and NONE since. He blew out his elbow in his third start of 2008 and required Tommy John surgery, so he will need time to rehab before he returns to the mound. His fastball was a mid-to-high-90s offering on the day he was hurt; he also had potential ‘plus’ pitches in his slider and changeup. It remains to be seen where those pitches are at after his injury rehab, but he has the potential to be a mid-rotation starter within the next couple of years if he is healthy.”
http://www.sox1fan.com/?p=4786
I know this is impossible and what a real gm wouldnt say,
but take Halladay, Wells, Rios and give one of the 3 prospects along with lesser ones.
Like CB said, they have money issues and would jump at the chance to dump those guys on the RS
ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.
“BA had Hagadone as the Sox #3 prospect ahead of Bard entering the season”
Hagadone has a very good arm, especially for a left hander.
He’s much better than bowden.
He’s doing very well in his comeback from TJ.
He’s a legit guy.
Wow ! Theo makes off like a bandit. Hagadone & Masterson ? Seriously ? There has to be more going to Cleveland otherwise that’s highway robbery.
1:47pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.
1:47pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.
via TR
“I still think the Yanks pick up Halladay at 3:59:59″
doubt it.
NYYanksFan
They are twittering each other.
THEO didnt STEAL anything. He was GIFTED.
if we take wells or rios and give up one of Joba, Hughes or Montero then I quit…that’s just ridiculous. taking wells or rios, 1. isn’t going to happen and 2. if it did, taking on either of those contracts would warrant only sending 2nd tier prospects.
CB,
does Hagadone have a comparable player in the Yanks system to put it in better perspective?
(i know it’s tough with the TJ surgery)
The Yankees are not going to get a good pitcher through waivers…..perhaps a servicable OFer, but not a good pitcher. IMO, standing still while other teams improve themselves is a bad thing. Ok, it’s great that they are in first place…….right now. The Dodgers are in first, the Phillies are in first (by a lot) and they made moves. Since when does leading your division with two months left guarantee you anything? You still have to try and get better…
never mind all the trade talk…its almost time for guess the line-up
Obviously Tim Dierkes is a Red Sox fan.
for those 2 bums, he said “good haul”
steve phillips is so stupid it is scary…
someone should tell him zumaya is out for the year.. maybe phillips should do some research…..
It’s not just the money with Wells & Rios for the Yankees, though. It’s what do you do with them once you have them? You’ll be stuck with them. Rios may not be horrible, but Wells? Their contracts are montrosities that will impact the Yankees’ roster flexibility for years. At the very least, they’ll end up eating the contract money themselves, when the money could be better spent ANYWHERE else in their organization.
That would not be a good deal at all. The best deal is Halladay staying with the Blue Jays.
“Is his situation much different than Brackman’s? 23 year old in the Sallie League trying to rebuild from TJS. 32 K’s in 25 innings for Greenville. 14 walks though.”
Sure. The difference is that Brackman has been horrible and Hagadone has been much better.
He’s still early in his TJ come back so who knows – command is always hard to predict but it usually gets better.
He’s got a lot of risk but he’s got a lot of upside. The Sox liked him a lot and for good reason.
The only yankee starters that are big league ready are inthe bigs right now, except for… KEI IGAWA!!!!! Get it done Cash!
Just remember….the Yankees are 0-8 versus Boston and in FIRST PLACE. This season has been very special to me and I really believe it will culminate in late October. One trade for a catcher does not do it all. REMEMBER HOW EXCITED WE WERE WHEN WE GOT PUDGE???
” ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.”
That is nuts. Forget him.
I didnt mean Hughes Joba or Montero.
I know it will never happen. I meant loser prospects.
“big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside”
Nova?
“Haha. Aren’t I transparent???
Btw- Did you hear Washburn to the Tigers?”
Really?? No way!!!! Next thing you’ll tell me is that Cliff Lee got traded to the Phillies for next to nothing!
you know, the fact that there are rumors that financial constraints are the reason why the yankees aren’t adding a player to shore up the back end of the rotation is a startling and unbelievable thing.
Haha- Thank you Upstate Kate. I am actually looking forward to it today. The trade talk is stating to make me want to poke my eyes out
Btw- where upstate are you?
They needed a bat, got it.
We need a pitcher, aint gonna get it, through no fault of our own.
yawn
http://www.soxprospects.com/pl.....e-nick.htm
1:47pm: ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.
via TR
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p.....009/367942
Looking at Martinez’s stats against Boston, The Red Sox pitchers have to be happy they won’t face him.
What happens to Adam LaRoche? Mike Lowell? Martinez clearly more valuable at 1st base than catcher.
Will be dissapointed if Yankees don’t pick up reliable pitcher/pitchers, especially after watching Bruney lately.
Cashman could be waiting till players get put on waivers, but that could mean another 2 weeks of scrimping with the current bullpen.
Some of you (and I stress some) are acting like clowns. The Yankees added 3 terrific players in the summer. You act like that never happened. Despite what some people might have you believe, every team has a budget.
“REMEMBER HOW EXCITED WE WERE WHEN WE GOT PUDGE???”
I think people were more excited that Farnsworth was gone.
Eric
July 31st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Just remember….the Yankees are 0-8 versus Boston and in FIRST PLACE. This season has been very special to me and I really believe it will culminate in late October. One trade for a catcher does not do it all. REMEMBER HOW EXCITED WE WERE WHEN WE GOT PUDGE???
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I still maintain my position that trade actually caused up to miss the 2008 playoffs. The bullpen was never the same without Krazy Kyle and Pudge was a dud
rios is not a horrible player not even close. he can steal bases, has a great arm, good power ,and is still young.
alex rios is not a horrible player, he is better then swisher by far…………..
Has it been confirmed yet that the deal is just Masterson and Hagadone?
If so, then that’s a terrible job by the Indians settling for so much less than their initial demands.
That would be like a team requesting Montero and then eventually taking Romine and Nunez.
““REMEMBER HOW EXCITED WE WERE WHEN WE GOT PUDGE???”
I think people were more excited that Farnsworth was gone.”
Ding Ding Ding!
“does Hagadone have a comparable player in the Yanks system to put it in better perspective?”
A better, more consistent, healthier version of Betances?
Lower ceiling than Brackman, but left handed and much better control?
Something like that? He had an explosive left handed arm.
The only issue on him is the TJ surgery. Other than that he’d be an elite level prospect. Better than Kelly.
Shapiro still got fleeced imo, how you don’t get laptop or Ryan Westmoreland or Bard for Victor Martinez is beyond me.
Erica-
way upstate in Potsdam, which is beyond the Adirondaks, almost in Canada
Why do people still think Halladay will be traded in-division? Toronto does not have to trade him, and with some young arms coming back next year (McGowan, Marcum) and with Romero, Halladay…they’ll have a shot, if they can hit.
I beg of you all-
Please STOP copying the same “tweets” in this blog repeatedly. It is no longer news the 17th time a person posts it.
Take an extra second to scroll up and see if its already there 16 times. If you aren’t paying attention to the discussion, you should not be posting here anyway
Brian Bannister 09 stats
(ERA) 3.80, (RECORD) 6-7, (SO) 72, (WHIP) 1.32, (BAA) .255, (K/9) 5.04, (K/BB) 1.72
0-3 vs Boston (8.22 ERA)
hmmm… no thanks.
We should work on ” heath bell” and get hughes back to starting. Joba can goto the pen later
BNightengaleThe Red Sox deal is done. Done deal.
“Martinez clearly more valuable at 1st base than catcher.”
Not really, I would think Martinez VORP as a C is higher then as a 1B. And defensively he’s a butcher at both.
Bannister’s last start in Fenway he threw something like 7 or 8 innings and gave up 1 run, for what it’s worth. Also, no guarantee all his starts are against Boston if he’s acquired–he would be #5 in the rotation, and as hard as it might be for people to believe he would be an upgrade over Mitre.
“Sure. The difference is that Brackman has been horrible and Hagadone has been much better.”
That much I get. Parallel set of cirumstances is what I meant. Same age, big upside, yet recovering from significant injury. Based on the fact that Hagadone is only going 2-3 innings per start, I assume he’s a bit behind Brackman (who’s going 2-3 innings per start for a different reason) in terms of physical recovery.
upstate kate
July 31st, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Erica-
way upstate in Potsdam, which is beyond the Adirondaks, almost in Canada
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My sister has a friend who goes to school there. I was an Albany girl in my college days
SI_JonHeyman: #redsox now shopping adma laroche to make room for v-mart. #braves are interested.
1 minute ago from web
Pete – like most of us, I also was hopeful that the Yankees would get Washburn. I am curious … what would have been a slightly better offer from the Yankees?
Dodgers might make a blockbuster Loney + anything for Bell + Gonzalez. Stay tuned.
LOL, watching MLB Tonight and they’re discussing a Gonzalez/Loney+ swap. Said it wouldn’t be a big upgrade for the Dodgers because they have about the same amount of RBI. Nevermind the fact that Loney has a 102 OPS+ and Gonzo has a 156 OPS+. How do these people have jobs when they have no idea what they’re talking about?
I would assume that the Indians absolutely needed to cut payroll and Shapiro was told by the front office he HAD to trade Lee and Vmart no matter what he got back. Otherwise he is just a terrible GM because it doesn’t make much sense. They traded their 2 best players and didn’t get back one share thing. With Lee they got quantity not quality. Vmart was obviously even less…
Good point Hokiehill, LOL
thanks CB
if he pans out, we’ll hopefully be looking back at this trade thankful that the Sox got rid of him for (only
) VMart
I’ve been to Potsdam. Played lacrosse their twice. Cold in April let me tell you. Nice ladies and tasty beer to boot!
C’mon Cash. Get us at least a reliever. Coke is scary.
This is ridiculous…WE NEED TWO PITCHERS in a couple of weeks. COME ON BRIAN WAKE UP.
Erica, Here is my lineup:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Posada C
Duncan DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Melky CF
A little philosophy from the existential version of Trisha:
Trust that the Yankees know what they’re doing and you will not be disappointed no matter what happens by 4:00 p.m. Trust your own judgements and you will live with constant disappointment.
Translation: what mel said a while ago. Whether or not moves are made, the Yankees are in first place and control their own destiny. This may not make sense to you at this point in time but honest to God the organizations knows more about what should or shouldn’t be done than every person on this forum put together, times infinity.
Just my opinion of course.
What is that Chinese saying – absence of expectation brings about absence of disappointment.
GO 4:00 P.M.!!!
“SI_JonHeyman: #redsox now shopping adma laroche to make room for v-mart. #braves are interested.”
They are gonna land BP help
“Please STOP copying the same “tweets” in this blog repeatedly.”
so true…we’re all going to the same sites. lol.
this is much better than the Sox getting Adrian Gonzalez or Halladay. Victor will be a broken man in a few years. i’d prefer the Yanks get a 5th starter or a bullpen arm(moving Hughes back into the rotation), but if they sit still i’m fine with that too….
It’s now time to play “Guess the Line Up”
Please post your line ups here (with positions) until 4:40. (post on any new threads that may pop up)
Yesterday we had a record 31 submissions, with 22 different line up combinations and NO winner. Do not let Girardi win again!
I would love to see the RS deal Bucholz and other for A-Gon
Did you say Potsdam? Whoa… I went to Clarkson U… talk about flashback…
Re: Pudge last year. Most players look great in Yankee pinstripes. They never suited him. Just didn’t look right. I know that’s crazy, but that’s how I felt even at that time. I did wish it worked out though. It really was a good risk at the time. Too bad it didn’t help.
Which kind of makes me think that perhaps Cashman does not want to “rob Peter to pay Paul” this season, and also, Farnsworth had settled into a semi-effective groove and the bullpen was gelled. Once Farnsworth was traded, and Pudge added, the “chemistry” of that team changed. In no way was that team the same as this year’s in terms of how the players all seem to fit together – this year’s really clicks. So, it’s may also be that Cashman does not want to mess with this. Just thinking out loud here.
Eric, if you mean the Pudge/Farnsworth thing, I only supported the orginal idea from Steve B…
I agree with those that say the Yankees are making a mistake if they just stand pat.
Sure, they’re playing great baseball and are in first place NOW, but there’s still a ton of baseball left. Also, there’s almost no depth in the minor leagues that could help us if someone gets injured. Isn’t it a gamble to assume the entire team is going to stay healthy the rest of the way?
At least the Sox know they’re likely getting Wakefield and/or Dice-K back this year. We have NOTHING after Mitre, and even he isn’t good to begin with.
Erica-
Jeter – SS
Damon – LF
Tex – 1B
A-Rod – DH
Posada – C
Cano – 2b
Duncan – RF
Cabrera – CF
Ransom – 3B
I dont believe it. Braves are interested iN Laroche. They had that bum.
WHo will they give up for him. Probably more propects that Theo can spin off later on or for Halladay or Gonz.
Question does Paul Maholms make it thru waviers…he is owed around 11 million the next 2 years
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
A-Rod DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Duncan LF
Cabrera CF
Ransom 3B
Erica here is my lineup:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Duncan DH
Cabrera CF
redo!
My wildly inaccurate guess for the lineup…
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
ARod DH
Posada C
Duncan LF
Cano 2B
Melky CF
Ransom 3B
Going for the lineup:
Jeter ss
Damon lf
TEX 1b
Arod dh
Posada c
Swisher rf
Cano 2b
Melky cf
Ransom 3b
What is San Diego thinking of swapping Gonzalez for Loney+, it would have to be one heck of a +… hometown guy, puts up numbers in that park with no lineup help at all, and he’s young and cheap.
Doreen
July 31st, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Re: Pudge last year. Most players look great in Yankee pinstripes. They never suited him. Just didn’t look right. I know that’s crazy, but that’s how I felt even at that time. I did wish it worked out though. It really was a good risk at the time. Too bad it didn’t help.
Which kind of makes me think that perhaps Cashman does not want to “rob Peter to pay Paul” this season, and also, Farnsworth had settled into a semi-effective groove and the bullpen was gelled. Once Farnsworth was traded, and Pudge added, the “chemistry” of that team changed. In no way was that team the same as this year’s in terms of how the players all seem to fit together – this year’s really clicks. So, it’s may also be that Cashman does not want to mess with this. Just thinking out loud here.
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Doreen, I agree with this 100%. And seeing Pudge in Pinstripes never felt “right”
now the RS 100% have no leverage to get rid of Laroche. HE should net them NOTHING
I would actually like to see Bannister in Pinstripes, not saying he’s our savior but he is young and is a good cost control for next few years.
Next Year it would be:
Sabathia
Aj Burnett
Joba
Bannister
Hughes
Looks decent to have Bannister as a 4th of 5th guy and at a very cheap price for the Yanks, since they spent heavy this winter.
Country Club, you’re missing the point. The Yankees still have leaks they need to plug……referring back to the winter signings does not help us. If you’re fine with a rotation of CC, AJ, Andy, Joba and Mitre (with zero, zero depth in the minors) and a not great pen outside of Mo, Hughes, Aceves and maybe Coke (and I’m not sure how reliable he is in big spots either), then ok.. but you just shouldn’t complain when a starter goes down and the Yankees have no one to replace him with (or if the pen implodes – and Ace has yet to come back, by the way). I find it funny that Cash talked about keeping Phil in the pen because he couldn’t look Mo in the eye (when he’s only got a few years left), but he can’t pull any kind of a deal to improve the team?
“The Yankees could use another starter. But they have need that all season and they’re still in first place. Plus, deals can and will be made in August. Just calm down.”
I couldn’t be more calm if I tried.
About Martinez going to the Sux. I see that as a kind of subtraction by addition, an extra piece but nothing more. I’m sure that Lowell and Youke will be thrilled to learn that they won’t be playing every day. Same with the new guy they just got for the same position(s).
JMO. JMO!!!
What is Shelly Duncan doing up here, the guy is awful, shouldn’t even be in the majors. He can’t play the outfield and probably still can’t hit a breaking pitch. Lovely.
I know Duncan is not a big deal but I just don’t think much of the guy as a big leaguer.
reading about Hagadone’s mid-high 90′s fastball, as well as what was regarded as the best slider in the organization…
and the fact he’s lefty -
he kinda sounds like a Francisco Liriano type
I don’t believe Gonzalez is going anywhere. I never thought the Red Sox would get him because I didn’t believe they’d give up the prospects it would require. Gonzo will not lose any trade value this winter if the Padres just hold onto him.
Joe Torre’s lineup for tonight.
1. Fillin
2. Fillin
3. Fillin
4. fillin
5. fillin
6. filling
7. fillin
8. AROD
9. fillin
Erica,
Do you track winners?
Steve B.,
If Brackman had only done what Hagadone has done this year – as modest as it’s been…
Brackman would have been worth something solid in a trade.
That’s why while I see the parallel everything depends on that initial performance after the injury.
Brackman has been so bad that he’s just placed himself into a bizarre prospect evaluation box.
He’s effectively a non entity. The yankee’s investment in him and his upside make him far more valuable to the yanks than to any other potential party.
But the generic comparison is similar.
Mets and Braves want Laroche. Are these teams stupid? They should give up nothing for him
technically the rs still could get gonzolaz instead of martinez, right?
Peavy (he’ll be ready by end of August) + Heath Bell.
I bet you the braves trade Tommy Hanson for Laroche just so the yanks wont win this year
V-Mart is being abused by MLB Network.
the sox needed a bat and got the best bat out there, the phillies needed a good pitcher and got the second best pitcher available, the dodgers needed bullpen help and got a good BP arm, the tigers figured out that going into the playoffs with only 2 pitchers ain’t gonna cut it and got the 3rd best arm available..
cashman – sitting in the corner picking his nose – just like torre did the last 7 years in the yankee dugout…
waiver wire? – you get sidney ponson on the waiver wire..
just a huge huge fail by our resident nerd in charge – yeah brian bannister is the answer to your problems…
and the yankees STILL have 5 catchers in the minors that won’t be able to all play with the big team…
its easy for cashman to spend uncle steineys money when it comes to free agents but get him in a backroom trying to make trades and he is just plain overmatched…
I agree, Pete, hold on to the kids, Washburn would have been good, but I don’t like trading any of the top guys they have coming up. I don’t see where Garland is much better than Mitre, I say give the guy a few more starts and see if he can handle the 5th spot.
Cash has to get someone who’s an upgrade over Sergio Mitre… Jon Garland, Brian Bannister, etc. Although his hands may be tied if all these GMs are asking for a ridiculous amount in return…
“I play the right way” Jeter SS
Erica’s surprised PBF LF
“I’m squeaky clean” Tex 1B
“I made a mistake w/ those Dominican shakes” A-rod 3B
Godzilla DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Bam Bam Duncan RF
Melky CF
Cashman needs to go…should not be allowed to post anymore
Looks like Bryan Price is going in the Vmart deal
If they were willing to get rid of Peavy ,which they were earlier, that would be great. But I don’t know that Peavy would approve a trade to NYY. He’s a country boy.
“MLB Network’s Tom Verducci says pitcher Bryan Price is the third hurler going to Cleveland in the trade.”
The Blogger Formerly Known as Dan
July 31st, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Erica,
Do you track winners?
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Yes- here are the current standings:
Patrick the Prospect Hugger 2 Wins 7/27,7/17
Ramey 2 Wins 7/22, 7/21
Yanksfan 2 Wins 7/28, 7/29
IDCWYT 7/28
HoNype 7/28
Andrew 7/27
Bill 7/27
BBfan 7/27
Henner 7/27
Eights 7/27
RS 7/24
WTTCTOH 7/24
86w183 7/23
Miggs 7/23
Hokiehill 7/22
ePic 7/29
Robbykid July 31st, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I bet you the braves trade Tommy Hanson for Laroche just so the yanks wont win this year
lol
Hagadone, Masterson, Price
for
VMart
??
I just hope that Cash isn’t waiting on Marte to come back as our second reliever, he has been brutal in the minors and should be kept away as hazard material to the Yankees pen.
I hope Cash swings a deal for a #5 starter better than Mitre, Mitre is just not serviceable over a length of time, by start 5 we will be clamoring for him to be rid of.
I wouldn’t mind one more lefty reliever but with options like Mahay, Beimel and our very own Marte, oh well not much there.
Agreed Pete,
That’s why I said Bannister is a nice trade, he’s such a cheap commodity, not the best pitcher but definitely cost controlled.
Erica Here is my guess
Jeter SS
Swisher RF
Tex 1B
ARod DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Duncan LF
Melky CF
Ransom 3B
M Kay just said Vmart to Sox is their way of making up for not getting Tex. Not quite. VMart could wear a glove on each hand and not play 1st the way Tex does. For a 1B, VMart is a good catcher.
Reading some of these posts it is clear that some of you don’t understand that trades are two-way things; that you can work like a dog to try and get a trade done but if the other team does like your offer, a trade doesn’t get done; and you don’t make a move for the sake of making a move.
Yes, they say a good trade has to “hurt” a little. But if when you weigh the “hurt” you come out being hurt more than helped then it is not a good trade.
I’d rather Cashman stand pat than make a bad trade because it’s going to be 4:00 in 49 minutes.
Heyman says everything is quiet for the Yanks.
This is not cashman’s fault. He went out and got 3 pretty good FAs.
This is other GMs who like licking the RS ego and hurting the Yankees
I just hope Hagadone becomes Francisco Liriano (injury free)
Yeaahhhhhhh….the lineup game
** if the other team does NOT like your offer. Brain faster than fingers. Sorry.
“the sox needed a bat and got the best bat out there, ”
No they didn’t. Gonzalez was the best bat that could have been acquired. They failed in their attempts to get gonzalez.
Why is it that players somehow always get better if the red sox get them? Martinez is good – but he’s not even close to gonzalez.
And how well did the sox do over the winter?
Upgrading mid season is far less preferable compared to upgrading in the winter.
You upgrade in the winter and you get the player for the entire season.
hey cashman has to go,
how do you know any of these catcher are going to be any good? Remember when everyone thought Drew Henson was going to be the Second Coming? How bout Eric Duncan? Or were you still in junior high when those guys were drafted?
i guess that means laporta gets called up and plays full time
Erica,
Impressive. Is the winner anyone with the correct line up, or the first one.
HUGE trade to report:
“mlbtraderumorsRT @Dejan_Kovacevic # Pirates trade Class AA pitcher Sean Smith to #Blue Jays for future considerations.”
“Future considerations” are obviously Roy Halladay! Let’s go Pirates!
As nice as it was to believe that the leaks about not taking on more salary were intentional deceit, I’m really starting to believe that ownership is not going to let Cash take on any more salary. Not his fault if he can’t get anything done if he cannot take on more salary- none of the sellers are looking to take back salary.
No matter what happens, I LOVE the way Cashman keeps his cards close to the vest. Because of the Tex & A-Rod deals, people always assume he’s going to do something big. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t. But the fact that nobody knows anything until it’s official is the way I like my organization run.
With everybody having a major freak out over Cashman not pulling the trigger on any deals, you’d think we were in 3rd place out by 11 games. He’s not going to make a deal just for the sake of making a deal. Could the Yankees use another starting pitcher and a reliable reliever? Sure. But EVERY team in baseball has needs, but not everyone is going to make a deal.
Did the Red Sox need a bat? Yes, they did. And they got one, big whoop. They still haven’t addressed their starting rotation outside of Beckett and Lester. And their middle relief has been struggling as of late too. They STILL have needs.
Cashman doesn’t have to make a trade for the Yankees to make the playoffs. We’ve got a great team as it is and if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Right now, it isn’t broke. We’re playing great baseball and are in first place by 2.5 games.
All the clamoring for an upgrade for a #5 starter because Mitre can’t be trusted. He’s had 2 starts. Give me a break. He did fairly well in the first start and he was bad in his second start. For a 5th starter, he’s doing his job by keeping the team in the game. Climb back off the ledge guys.
Sox can still get Halladay easily…
Betsy, I’m a realistic (and patient) Yankees fan. This team is very good. Perfect? No. But nobody is. As I’ve said before, they could use another starter. there’s no doubt about that. However, trades will be made after today. Just because they didnt get someone today doesnt mean they wont next week.
They have two very good pitchers and an old reliable vet. Plenty of teams have won the title with less recently (St Louis & Philly).
The Blogger Formerly Known as Dan
July 31st, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Erica,
Impressive. Is the winner anyone with the correct line up, or the first one.
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Anyone- its not fair to disqualify people who can’t always sit at a computer all day. That’s why some days there are multiple winners
Jeter – SS
Swisher – RF
Texeira – 1B
Rodriguez – 3B
Matsui – DH
Posada – C
Cano – 2B
Cabrera – CF
Duncan – LF
Let’s see if my beginner’s touch works….
Buster Olney just told Micheal Kay that the Yankees are talking to the Reds about Jerry Hairston
Eric
July 31st, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Just remember….the Yankees are 0-8 versus Boston and in FIRST PLACE. This season has been very special to me and I really believe it will culminate in late October.
It better culminate in early November. Late October means we didn’t win it all!!!
Sox had holes on offense and back of their rotation. They may have improved their offense but at what cost.
Mike Lowell is having a good season and he’s clutch. Anytime he sits so V-Mart can play, it’s not that much of an improvement to me. And if you put V-Mart behind the plate you lose Varitek and all his “intangibles” and defense.
Bottom line the Yanks still have a better offense and both teams still have questions at the back of the rotation. I’m glad the Yanks (so far) haven’t just made a deal just to make a deal or solely as a reaction to what Boston was doing.
If we had Washburn right now but lost Hughes or Joba (or AJax or Montero) to get him it would be bittersweet to say the least.
Does anybody have Duncans AAA numbers handy?
Erica:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Canó 2B
Duncan DH
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the price for Bannister is similar to that of Jarrod Washburn – “big league-ready starter, pitching prospect with upside.” He says the Yanks maintain mild interest.
update: the Tigers got wasburn, drat.
And it looks the like Sox will get V-Mart …….
The guy on MLB Network just said we don’t have the prospects to get Halladay. lol
They just said on NESN
that not giving up Buchholz guarantees they make a bigger trade.
i think it’s very possible, but these guys are arrogant.
Laroche has been traded to the Braves.
laroche traded to braves…unknown for who
I want Duchscherer from Oakland. Beane said he’s trade him for a modest price, since he is a free agent after this year, coming off surgery, and might not fetch arbitration status. He could either be a starter or bullpen arm, both of which we could use some help in.
Jeter – SS
Swisher – RF
Texeira – 1B
Rodriguez – 3B
Matsui – DH
Posada – C
Cano – 2B
Duncan-LF
Cabrera-CF
Yanks got Jerry Hairston Jr from the Reds.
“All the clamoring for an upgrade for a #5 starter because Mitre can’t be trusted. He’s had 2 starts. Give me a break. He did fairly well in the first start and he was bad in his second start. For a 5th starter, he’s doing his job by keeping the team in the game. Climb back off the ledge guys.”
+++++ Dude Mitre blows, good for him is 5+ innings and 4 ER on a given night. Where is the innings, He’ll keep the team in the game alright as long as their hitting shoes are on during his starts. I just think we can do better than Mitre but if teams want a top prospect for Garland or Doug Davis or Bannister or whomever bottom of the rotation starter, then can’t blame Cash for not biting.
Like Seattle wanting Montero for Washburn. I would hang the phone up too.
Yankees got Jerry Hairston Jr
ML –
THATS my point – you have 5 catchers and you don’t trade ANY of them? As far as anyone knows all 5 of their catchers may turn out to suck – cashman needed to trade one or more of them to upgrade the 3 holes they have on the team…even if some good players make it through waivers they still have to trade for one of them and pick up their contracts – so why wait for another month when you could have gotten someone now….
Yankees Acquire Jerry Hairston Jr.
The Yankees acquired Jerry Hairston Jr. from the Reds
The Yankees big trade move is Hairston? Really?
The Yankees acquired Jerry Hairston Jr. from the Reds, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
yanks acquire hairston jr
Jerry Hairston Jr. – our saviour.
ugh.
If the Sox have V-mart & Halladay in the next 40 min., the Yanks might be in a little bit of trouble.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....on-jr.html
bye bye Ransom?
Hairston jr..yeahhhh
BTW, did anyone hear we got Hairysuh Jr? Wait….what’s his name???
Yanks get Jerry Hairston Jr.
Which doesn’t really solve the need for a pitcher.
(via Olney and Sherman)
Hairston? Really……MEH.
Jerry Hairston Jr! Well, it can’t hurt if we didn’t give up anything of significance.
Goodbye Ransom?
Joba for Hairston
There you go.
You guys wanted the Yanks to make a deal?
It doesn’t get much bigger than Jerry Hairston Jr.
Less than 45 minutes left. Whatever happens, happens. If the yankees don’t make any moves(which it looks like they are), not the end of the world.
yankees got jairy hairston jr.
if those prospects got v-mart … we have the prospects to get the pope lol
Hairston = Ransom back to AAA?
what a massive upgrade. If Kei Igawa is sent to the Reds in return, it is official that Cash is the owner of the NL Central.
Yankees Acquire Jerry Hairston Jr.
Bye bye Cody, nice knowing ya.
Woo Jerry Hairston Jr. The missing piece to the championship season.
Is Austin Jackson that green?
although, might this mean the end of the Cody Ransom era?
please say, “Yes.”
how is sox going to arrange their roster to have play time for 3 1stbaseman? (Youk, LaRouche and VM)
what about JV and catching situation?
Lowell and 3rd base situation?
red sox got Casey Kotchman…
What a joke
Ed, I’m getting really tired of you posting similar things as me!
Great Danes in the house….
There……now are you happy
Hopefully this means no more Ransom.
hairston is better rthen ransom. not a big move by any stretch but he is a better contact hitter with more speed.
this is not exactly blockbuster level…
Hey the Yanks got Happy Hairston!!
Yanks need a #4 or #5 starter or at least bullpen help w/ACE having a “fatigued shoulder”. It is a disappointment the Yanks didn’t get someone. And I know Steve Phillips isn’t the smartest one, but the other night, he said the Yanks are going to move Joba to the pen as he has pitched over 100 innings…I don’t know if this is true…if it is….that is 2 starters down…
Any idea on who the Yanks gave up for Mr Jack of all trades Hairston Jr?
Red Sox just acquired Kotchman for LaRoche
Jeter ss
Damon lf
Tex 1b
Rod 3b
Hip Hip C
Hitdeki DH
Cano 2b
Swish RF
Melk Man CF
what a joke
Tons of trades happening lol
Beimel to Rockies, Hairston jr Yanks, LaRoche to Braves
Here’s who is in so far for “Guess the Line Up”
Bill
Ramey
The Blogger Formerly Known as Dan, RayVT (same)
Andrew
Mark H
Hokiehill
Upstate Kate
Anthony5
Rebecca
Roger Maris
Submissions until 4:40. And you folks have Shelly Duncan playing every position but sideways.
No love for Hinske tonight at all
beimel to the Rox…trades are goin down
Tom, me too. lol,
Doreen July 31st, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Reading some of these posts it is clear that some of you don’t understand that trades are two-way things; that you can work like a dog to try and get a trade done but if the other team does like your offer, a trade doesn’t get done; and you don’t make a move for the sake of making a move.
Yes, they say a good trade has to “hurt” a little. But if when you weigh the “hurt” you come out being hurt more than helped then it is not a good trade.
I’d rather Cashman stand pat than make a bad trade because it’s going to be 4:00 in 49 minutes.
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and to use the old saying: sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make.
MLB Network said Yanks made a trade?
yanks got a guy from the reds his name is jerry hairston jr
jerry hairston jr a yankee
I hope this isn’t a Twitter repeat.
RT @EricaLoHud # u peeps r making me crazy. NO more dup tweets plz!!
oh yay, no more ransom. thank the lord
Hairston Jr? Really? Really? Yawn…
I agree with Erica….fans like BETSY are why people hate Yanks fans.
Betsy – calm down.
You don’t have to go crazy for trades now. Just because it helps on paper it doesn’t mean teams are better than the Yanks. Sure Martinez helps Boston but stop throwing a hissy fit.
“the sox needed a bat and got the best bat out there, ”
No they didn’t. Gonzalez was the best bat that could have been acquired. They failed in their attempts to get gonzalez.
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uumm yes they did – gonzalez was NEVER going to be traded – unless epstein gave up the farm for him….just because GM X calls st louis and asks what it would take to get Pujols doesn’t mean pujols is now available…gonzalez was never avalable – as was martinez…
Jerry Hairston Jr.? EPIC FAIL
What is wrong with Casey Kotchman? He has been hot lately, strange that the Braves would take LaRoche back. Unless there is another trade they are working on involving Kotchman to the Fish, but that would be trading with one of their main rivals. Weird.
So if the Sox get V-Mart, who do they sit? Their esteemed captain, Youk, Lowell or “ban everyone that tests positive” Ortiz?
Why would Atlanta trade Kotchman for LaRoche? Seems to make no sense
So we needed a pitcher or an outfielder……and we end up with a 3B??
At least DFA Ransom.
LaRoche to Brave per Heyman
“No they didn’t. Gonzalez was the best bat that could have been acquired. They failed in their attempts to get gonzalez.
Why is it that players somehow always get better if the red sox get them? Martinez is good – but he’s not even close to gonzalez.
And how well did the sox do over the winter?
Upgrading mid season is far less preferable compared to upgrading in the winter.
You upgrade in the winter and you get the player for the entire season.”
Yes to all of it.
Wasn’t Hairston Jr. a ‘roid guy?
Bill from NJ July 31st, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Red Sox just acquired Kotchman for LaRoche
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who did the soxs give up for Laroche?
jeter 6
swisher 7
tex 3
alex 5
matsui x
posada 2
cano 4
hinske 9
cabrera 8
how does laroche get you kotchman..there is no way i refuse to believe that
SS Jeter
LF Damon
1B Tex
3B Arod
DH Matsui
C Posada
2B Cano
RF Hinksie
CF Melky
Hairston can pick it, big time.
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=5381489
“We’ve got a great team as it is and if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Right now, it isn’t broke.”
We’ve got a great team right now because everyone’s healthy.
The Sox have problems with their rotation, but they at least know that Wakefield and/or Dice-K could be back soon.
With the Yankees, Wang and Kennedy are completely, 100% out for the season, and that hurts their depth tremendously. It’s not like Mitre is filling in temporarily for a guy on the 15-day DL. He’s in our rotation, period. That’s not good. If Burnett gets hurt tomorrow, our rotation is CC, Joba, Pettitte, Mitre, and Igawa. And that spells desperation.
At least from my perspective, I think it’s best for Cashman to make a deal now BECAUSE the Yankees are playing so well. If a guy gets hurt or the Yankees fall out of first place, then teams are really going to try to fleece us.
Here is my take on the Yankees rotation for the playoffs (the rest of the season isn’t that important, they are good enough to make the playoffs without any upgrade):
AJ and Joba have been two of the best pitchers in baseball since the ASB, there is no way in hell that the Yankees don’t have Joba starting in the playoffs if he continues to pitch pretty well. Innings counts will go out the window because the Yankees vets want the best chance to win this year and it would send a terrible message out to prospective free agents in the future that the Yankees would waste a year when they could have won the World Series. I’m sure Joba feels the same way.
As much as the Yankees want to develop home grown talent and have it prosper they also want to win the World Series this and every year, there are literally hundreds of millions of dollars in potential added revenue to the team for winning. Plus, there is no guarantee either way that Joba will stay healthy if they have an innings limit or will get hurt if he pitches and additional 30 innings this year (they can always keep him at the same total innings next year).
Just My Opinion, of course…
Hairston this year has started at 2B, SS, 3B and every spot in the outfield. He’s an improvement over Ransom. He hit .326 in 80 games with the Reds last year with 15 SB. Not as good this year but maybe catch some lightning in a bottle.
Evan D.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I agree with Erica….fans like BETSY are why people hate Yanks fans.
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I didn’t mean it that way! Don’t twist my words. I LIKE BETSY!
Hairston Jr was in the Mitchell Report
Are the Roid Sox collecting first basemen and DH types? Wow.
Is Hairston an infielder or outfielder?
Jerry Hairston Jr??????????????? what a joke.
Dan-
It makes perfect sense. Kotchman has 764 OPS and a change of scenery to a winning team might make Kotchman reach his actual potential.
what is ths source that the Sox got Kotchman?
“So we needed a pitcher or an outfielder……and we end up with a 3B??”
He can play the outfield and 3b, ss, 2b…That’s not a bad pickup at all
Kotchman might be going somewhere for something else. Maybe Bannister for them. They could use another pitcher.
Nowhere does it say that Kotchamn was traded FOR LaRoche, Heyman tweeted that Kotchman would be the odd man out–so the question is why are the Braves taking LaRoche, unless they are going to move Kotchman again?
“how does laroche get you kotchman..there is no way i refuse to believe that”
Laroche has been better in his ML career than Kotchman.
Hairston is a good pick up. He’s much better than Cody Ransom.
He’s a guy who can actually spot alex at third.
If they could spin Laroche into Bannister, that would be the sickest most perverted thing Ive ever heard and Bud Selig if he werent a Red Sox fan should disallow it.
I honestly believe the biggest need is a reliever – like Heath Bell. it troubles me that tha Yanks aren’t invovled in those talks (or maybe the slippery Cashman is???)
If Mitre is our 5th starter i can live with it. Obviously the Yanks are in trouble if a starter goes down and I still think they should be skipping Joba once in a while to conserve innings (like August 3)
Back to the reliever….we saw this week that Aceves needed some rest, Hughes cannot go every day – just isn’t fair to his development, and Coke is not that reliable. I like him but I hold my breath when he pitches.
The Yanks should be in on the Heath Bell sweepstakes because he really solidifies the pen.
Why would the Sox move LaRoche to make room for V-Mart but yet they trade for another 1B?
This day makes my head hurt
Jerry Hairston Jr. to Yankees. Cash makin the splash
Let me get this straight, the Braves traded away Salty, Neftali Feliz, and a couple other prospects for like a year of Tex, then Tex gets traded away for Kotchman and a prospect, and now Kotchman gets traded for the LaRoche they had before?
Gonna be alot of odd-men out in Boston.
You’ve got to be kidding me. V-Mart for what essentially amount to spare parts for Boston. They should throw in the obligatory bag of beans while they’re at it.
this makes no sense if there is a Martinez trade, how many first baseman do the Sox need?
And Kotchman doesn’t exactly scare me anyway so who cares.
I don’t see anywhere where it says the Sox got Kotchman. It just says they traded LaRoche to the Braves, thats it.
Someone provide a link?
“Hairston this year has started at 2B, SS, 3B and every spot in the outfield. He’s an improvement over Ransom. He hit .326 in 80 games with the Reds last year with 15 SB. Not as good this year but maybe catch some lightning in a bottle.”
He’s a good bench player that might mean Ransom is cut loose.
Well, at least Cody Ransom will be gone, so today wasn’t a total loss.
but can Hairston Jr. jump 5′ straight up in the air?
I love that it’s probably the same people who whine and moan whenever Cody Ransom is in the lineup who are now posting about how terrible Jerry Hairston Jr. is, meanwhile he is a huge bench upgrade, is extremely versatile and replaces the speed they are missing from Gardner, like right now.
you guys are killing me
dont post that the Sox got Kotchman unless it’s official!!
“Hairston is a good pick up. He’s much better than Cody Ransom.
He’s a guy who can actually spot alex at third.”
Can play a little center as well, which can give the Melkster an occasional blow.
So does the Hairston Jr. move mean we won’t be seeing Pena anytime soon?
This has turned into a complete catastrophe. We’ll only have 2 starting pitchers in a few weeks to lean on, with Andy still being a 50/50 pitcher. So 3 starters. What are they thinking of????
Hairston is a good pickup as all purpose infielder and outfielder. Goodbye Ransom. Hairston had a very good comeback year last year, can steal bases.
Stats included:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/p.....2009/18778
What did we give up? Igawa maybe???? lol
any word yet who the Yanks gave up for Hairston Jr.?
Jeter-SS
Damon-LF
Tex-1B
AROD-DH
Posada-C
Swisher-RF
Cano-2B
Melky-CF
Ransom-3B
http://www.baseball-reference......ad01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference......ca01.shtml
Let’s calm down about Kotchman.
i love the “maybe we can catch lightning in a bottle” people..
and maybe we can watch the redsox win another WS in 2009..
2 words for you, Jerry Hairston, THATS what our genius gm is capable of doing when he doesn’t have 400 million dollars to help him out…
I give up on Eric Hinske ever getting into the lineup again:
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
ARod 3B
Posada C
Matsui DH
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Cabrera CF
LOL @ Jerry Hairston maybe Cashman is thinking about Scranton more than the new york yankees. I dont want to see this bum Hairston on the new york yankees. Why was Ramiro Pena sent down he is a better glove than Hairston. What a joke.
“Hairston is a good pick up. He’s much better than Cody Ransom.
He’s a guy who can actually spot alex at third.”
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Agreed.
It’s a nice pickup.
I’m sure some will have a nice laugh and say the Sox won the trade deadline but the Sox had more holes to fill.
The Yanks are seeing Joba and Andy pitch very well. I’m sure that made them feel like a starter was needed a little less.
Plus, it doesnt prevent them from getting one later on.
I havent seen a link.
Its on NESN’s trade deadline special
Wish we could trade A Rod for Halladay…I’d do that in a minute…
Hairston is a definite upgrade over Ransom, he’ll be gone by the end of the day.
Cash is looking to fill needs and upgrade. Jerry is an upgrade over Cody. He can also play more than just in infield. Why not wait to see what cash does as far a starter before ‘itching and moaning. Also if he does not make a deal maybe you should know the facts. Maybe they were asking for kings ransoms? Like Joba and Hughes for any player.
Isn’t kotchman the center piece of the Texeira trade?
Gammons just said on espn that Boston got Kotchman. I really don’t understand why the Braves would trade him.
Erica, can I revise my lineup? haha
How could the Padres ask the Yanks for Hughes Joba or Montero for Heath Bell?
That makes no sense. Watch them trade him to another team for talent that is no where near the level of Hughes/Joba/Montero.
Why do teams always give the Sox players for nothing.
The Cardinals gave up their top prospect for 2 months of Holliday yet the Sox gave up nothing for 2 years of Martinez.
Giants will prob wind up trading Lincecum in a couple of years to them for Bowden and Delcarmen
3:21 p.m. Yahoo! Sports’s Gordon Edes reports that the Red Sox have dealt Adam LaRoche to the Braves for first baseman Casey Kotchman. Kotchman, 26, is batting .282 with six homers and 41 RBIs this season. LaRoche spent the first three years of his career with the Braves. He was acquired by the Red Sox on July 22 from the Pirates for a pair of prospects.
About the Yankees and their “need” for another starter…
“The Yankees could use another starter. But they have need that all season and they’re still in first place. Plus, deals can and will be made in August. Just calm down.”
Thank you Pete.
And thank you to all posters here who have kept a calm head throughout and are fine with whatever moves are or are not made, indicating faith in the team and trust that the Yankees know what they are doing. I swear that you are the ones that make it worth my coming here.
I will be by with kleenex for the two kids here who still seem to be unable to deal with the fact that anybody ever criticized Posada!!!
Erica,
MY LINEUP:
Jeter SS
Swisher LF
Teixeira 1B
Rodriguez DH
Posada C
Cano 2B
Duncan RF
Cabrera CF
Ransom 3B
“Can play a little center as well, which can give the Melkster an occasional blow.”
Agreed. That probably helped push them into making the move.
Now they’ll have a guy who can play back up CF – which they are completely missing right now with gardner hurt.
Hairston can play spot CF. When gardner comes back they’ll cut ransom.
it seems like there’s been a jerry hairston in the league for the past 20 years or so. and everyone of them sucked.
Here are Hairston’s games played at each position this year:
2B-9
3B-33
SS-31
LF-9
CF-3
RF-5
MLB Network just said the Yankees are getting Jerry Harriston.
Jerry Hairston?
Roid Sox got Kotchman and Martinez for Masterson and a bag of balls. Brilliant.
BD.20:
“Red Sox’ Adam LaRoche Traded to Braves for Casey Kotchman”
http://www.nesn.com/2009/07/re.....chman.html
Hairston is hitting .333 over the past week
it should tell you something when
Laroche is the center of a salary dump and
Kotchman is the centerpiece of a Tex deal
i walk away from here for 15 minutes and we get Jerry Hairston, jr. I like it, nice pick up. This guy would have had a very nice ML career if he hadnt gotten hurt in each of his 1st 3 season. See ya later cody…
And seriously, have the red sox lost their minds, how many 1st basemen do they need.
If the Braves just traded Kotchman for LaRoche…
what are they thinking?
Good Job Cash.. Can Jerry can pitch?
Gammons just said that the Mariners wanted Montero for Washburn..LOL are they kidding me?? Then they got very little for him from the Tigers..That is the funniest thing ever!!!
And playing first base for your Boston Red Sox – Kevin Youkilis!!!! Er, Victor Martinez!!! Er, I meant to say Casey Kotchman!!!
Oh never mind!
Didn’t people want Hairston over the winter? Anyone is better than Ransom…………
lol @ people freaking out
Some of you people need to take another look at Kotchman’s numbers versus LaRoche. I don’t see anything to get upset about as LaRoche is a better hitter.
Why would Boston want Kotchman??
Ramey – Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL
July 31st, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Erica, can I revise my lineup? haha
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No line up revisions. Sorry. I need to preserve whatever little sanity I can when I am flying thru these line ups
“If the Braves just traded Kotchman for LaRoche…
what are they thinking?”
They’re tired of Kotchman?
- a can.
Kotchman is a decent player and cheap (still arbitration-eligible)
wasn’t kotchman traded to braves for Tex?? So what does it mean?? Adam laroche = Tex?? bizzare..
So they are going to trade Kotchman to the Marlins probably, the Red Sox will.
Going to work…we will see how it pans out…but I really think the Yanks needed pitching of some sort…go Yanks tonight….
Kotchman can’t become a free agent until after the 2011 season.
I don’t get the Braves motive in this deal.
Hairston can also pinch run and maybe steal a base.
Just in out here in Los Angeles:
Dodgers to trade James Loney, and prospects, for Adrain Gonzales and Heath Bell.
Yikes, if that trade goes through, Dodgers are a beast.
Who is the next starter that can come up from AAA if the Yanks needed an emergency starter?
watch now – the redsox will trade kotchman and 3 other prospects for halladay and rios – and cashman will still have his thumb in his blueberry pie sitting in the corner..
Yanks got Hairston from the Reds according to Joel Sherman of the Post.
“Wish we could trade A Rod for Halladay…I’d do that in a minute…”
Which is more proof of the lack of brain cells that currently occupy your skull.
Jerry Hairston Jr. is an upgrade to Ranson; can play 3B, SS, and all 3 OF positions, and provide more pop. Not a move that will turn many heads, but we could use another OF until Gardner comes back.
Kotchman to the fish for Josh Johnson. count on it…
Betsy-
I think people were really drinking the Jody Gerut koolaid over the winter
Some of you people are insane. Do you think the season restarts now? The Yankees are well over .500 and even if they go just a few games over .500 down the stretch they still win in the mid 90s. They are still a great team.
Hairston is a fine bench pickup. Starters can be obtained through August, as Pete said. Lets calm the hell down. They aren’t exactly 12 games out.
Lest everyone forget, Victor had a good April and has been awful since.
cashman needs to go, needs to go.
everyone needs to stop acting like we need some blockbuster trade…we need some pitching depth (aka a 4th-5th starter or a relief pitcher that allows us to shift Hughes or Ace)…we are not trying to catch anyone! we have the best record in the AL and only need some defensive help/speed which Hairston gives us (hopefully without giving up much) and if we don’t get the pitcher in the next 20 minutes we’ll find something on the waiver…we don’t need some huge deal to help us catch anyone!
What does Kotchman give the Sox that LaRoche didn’t?
The bosox do not need another 1b. So Kotchman must be on his way in another deal, which makes me think Gonzalez or Halladay are still possible.
LaRoche for Kotchman…whaaat??
So basically:
Saltalamacchia + Andrus + Feliz = Teixeira = Kotchman = LaRoche
And the Sox STILL have an overabundance at 1B.
Will the Yankees PLEASE just get a 5th starter.
Rolen to the Reds? Why bother?
The psychosis currently taking place on this blog is the exact reason why I ignore the trade deadline until it’s over. You will lose your mind worry about something you can’t change.
the dodgers may have just got adrian and bell. this is no bueno.
Kotchman’s value is pretty low right now, but he’s fine for the money he’s making and he’s not a FA until the 2012 season.
Watch Kotchman get flipped in a deal to SD for A-Gon.
It looks like Hairston is exactly the kind of player that the Yankees hope Pena will be. Pena is probably defensively but Hairston is a much better hitter and has played all 3 outfield positions in his career. I think this has the potential to be a very good pickup, the Yankees probably gave up a AA pitcher for him (unless it’s an infielder like Nunez).
Roy Halladay, all the under 25 years old players on the Yankees organization for a Roy Hallady! Let’s PANIC, I say, PANIC! Pile on and PANIC!
Kotchman’s obviously part of another deal. The last thing Boston needs is another 1B.
“Kotchman can’t become a free agent until after the 2011 season.
I don’t get the Braves motive in this deal.”
Because he hits for no power.
His OPS is lower than Melky Cabrera’s. That’s really bad if you are a 1b.
The Sox got him to spell as a defensive replacement for VMart when Martinez is playing 1b.
They must think Lowell isn’t a good bet to keep playing the field.
/agree with MG
Ugh. I guarantee if we lose in the playoffs we will all be able to point to this day and say “what could have been”
Its not the point that Martinez has been trending downwards since April its the fact that the Sox gave up nothing for him.
Hairston was acquired to facilitate the Halladay deal!
Hokiehill-
Isn’t it funny how everyone is having a complete nervous breakdown over the Yankees relative inactivity? I feel at times ilke this Lohud should have its own psychiatrist to help people get calmed down and thinking level headed
Serenity now people
Rolen traded to the Reds
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 31st, 2009 at 3:41 pm
/agree with MG
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Patrick, great minds think alike lol
“They must think Lowell isn’t a good bet to keep playing the field.”
Lowell hasn’t been a good bet WHILE playing the field. Poor guy can’t move a lick.
Casy Kotchman = Doug Mientkiewicz.
Goosfraba
These deals are so overhyped.
I just want to see Victor Martinez try to catch Wakefield’s knuckleball. He could barely catch a fastball.
In my opinion this doesn’t help Boston that much. Are they going to sit their captain Varitek? Probably not in the postseason. Which means Martinez is playing first and Youk over at 3rd. Lowell has really hurt the Yanks in the past 2 years and was an MVP for Boston too. Id rather face Martinez than Lowell anyway. Boston is the same team. Too bad they didn’t have to get rid of anyone good. I liked facing masterson – he stinks.
hokiehill its funny how 3 good starts from joba and 1 and a half good starts from andy after the asb wipes out your memory of them sucking for almost 3 months…
boston knew it needed a bat and got the best one available out there
the yankees knew they needed at least 2 starters, naybe a few relievers and some OF help and got a benchwarming 3rd baseman…
don’t hate on me because i’m not buying into this sham of a GM who thinks he can bring up all 76 propects he has in the minors right now…
Who did the Jays get for Rolen?
“Will the Yankees PLEASE just get a 5th starter.”
Thank you very much, I don’t care what Boston, Tampa or womever else does, but I know our weakness and would love to see it addressed.
No I don’t need Halladay or Harren but a starter of more quality than Sergio Mitre would be nice. Are you telling me Cash cannot spin a deal for a bottom of the rotation starter that fills this teams needs. Wow.
A lot more people on here have faith in Sergio Mitre than I do, he just cannot give the Yankees innings at the back end, much less quality starts.
A glaring need goes unfulfilled.
“Some of you people are insane. Do you think the season restarts now? The Yankees are well over .500 and even if they go just a few games over .500 down the stretch they still win in the mid 90s. They are still a great team.
Hairston is a fine bench pickup. Starters can be obtained through August, as Pete said. Lets calm the hell down. They aren’t exactly 12 games out.”
Justin, want to join Team OPPC?
Very sensible post.
Soooo what’s the playoff rotation in a 7 game series guys?
CC
AJ
ANDY??
????
CC
AJ
ANDY??
We’re F’d if it comes to that people
MG, the same reason you gave for keeping Joba in the rotation is the same reason the Yankees needed another pitcher.
The Sox improved, but am I going ape over it? No (unless they get Halladay, which is still possible) because they have pitching problems of their own.
I can not think about the playoffs now, we have to worry about just getting there. Just because the Sox have issues doesn’t mean the Yankees shouldn’t fix their own. AJ and CC are fine. I doubt Joba will pitch like this the rest of the season, but he should be fine even if he doesn’t. Andy looks better – he may be solid. Still – if the Yankees had a better ¾ (or more reliable, because I’m still somewhat iffy on Joba and Andy), then we could afford to go with Mitre. As it stands, I still think the rotation needs work……..and so does the pen. I’m disappointed that they didn’t bolster that as well.
That said, I’m sure Cash was working the phones; he can’t force teams to trade with him and trading Jackson for Washburn would have been a joke.
While I would have liked to see them acquire Washburn but not at the price that was reported I am fine with them not really doing much. I like the chemistry
Wow that was like half a dozen deals in 5 minutes.
16 minutes left!
Ugh. I guarantee if we lose in the playoffs we will all be able to point to this day and say “what could have been”
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and if we win in the playoffs, will you be looking back at this day and thinking: “Gosh, I was freaking out for nothing?”
Tom in NJ / CB,
I guess I was thinking of Kotchman circa 2007, when he still had a fair amount of potential.
I’m just shocked at how far his stock has fallen.
The pendulum has swung in the other direction and now it is out of whack. Prospects in general have become overvalued–even in the current economic environment.
Look at Victor Martinez’s wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V.....(baseball)
“Its not the point that Martinez has been trending downwards since April its the fact that the Sox gave up nothing for him.”
Just because you don’t have a high opinion of those players going to the Indians, it doesn’t mean you’re right about them being nothing.
I made this prediction at 2:07 pm today:
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Pepitone
July 31st, 2009 at 2:07 pm
I’m going to say this now so it will be on the record when/if it happens:
Yankees are going to get Roy Halladay!
They will have to give up one of the big three Montero, Hughes, Chamberlain, but not two. Toronto says they want two, but Cashman will call their bluff, and, eventually, they will give in. It will be one of the big three, plus three or four of our upper level prospects.
Hate giving up prospects, but, when it comes to a talent like Doc, it’s worth it, but only if you have to give up just ONE of the top 3.
So, there you have it. All speculation of course, but let’s see if I’m right.
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I still say, especially after hearing about that proposed Dodger trade with the Padres, that this scenario is a very real possibility.
Lest we all forget, Cody Ransom had an error this year that actually led directly to five unearned runs.
Welcome, Jerry Hairston Jr.!
Cal,
I think it will be done but maybe not until August. Cash will probably make a waiver deal to get a 5th starter if he can’t get one now.
Playoffs:
CC (home)
AJ (home)
Joba (away)
“boston knew it needed a bat and got the best one available out there”
I guess it being said before that Adrian Gonzalez likes to swing a bat too didn’t make you realize that V-Mart wasn’t the best one out there, huh?
Kay thinks Halladay is going to be dealt. because it doesn’t makes sense that JP would deal Rolen unless he traded Halladay.
based on the body of work i’ve seen:
Jim Bowen > Shapirro
seriously.
I should have cancelled “Guess the Line Up” due to trade hysteria, but I digress.
Here who is in so far: (You have until 4:40 or I start foaming at the mouth due to my impatience. Whichever comes first)-
Bill
Ramey
The Blogger Formerly Known as Dan, RayVT (same)
Andrew
Mark H, Robbykid (same)
Hokiehill
Upstate Kate
Anthony5
Rebecca
Roger Maris
DurhamYankee, Largo (same)
Henner
Dan the Man
Bmgyanksfan
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
If some of you guys really want those blockbusters, then get going and start holding guns up to other GMs’ heads.
(kidding!)
“the yankees knew they needed at least 2 starters, naybe a few relievers and some OF help and got a benchwarming 3rd baseman…”
You have no idea what you are talking about…just, wow.
Nothing can ever top Curt Schilling for Casey Fossum.
At least the Indians received some viable arms (Masterson is no chump).
Cash is King,
Masterson is a 5th or at best 4th starter and he was the best player in the deal
can the reds acquire halladay too and then add him to the hairston deal?
of course if cashman goes out and gets halladay – i take everything i said about him back…unlikely though…
cashman hasnt sold the farm yet to overpay for a decent player on a bad team? off with his head i say!
Am I the only one refreshing MLBTraderumors like every 5 seconds?
As much i’d like to see Cashman swing a deal for someone, it’s not the end of the world if he doesn’t. Everyone is looking up at us right now. The Yanks are in a good position and quite frankly, none of these Sox deals make them a largely improved team. Are they really gaining that much?
And for those blasting Cash, you’ve seen some of the ridiculous things people want from the Yanks. The M’s wanted Hughes, Joba or Montero and they settled for Luke French? Do you really want Cash to pay above well above market value? This isn’t Oz. Cash isn’t going to bend over and take it because he has to.
I think the Indians did a better deal for Manhattan then they did with the Red Sox and Phillies!
How is Mike Lowell supposed to feel about these deals ? First he was close to being dissed if Larry Lucchino hadn’t pissed off Scott Boras in a Teixeira signing. Now he’s on the bench with another year of $12M left on his contract and the market for ist basemen cornered whether it be LaRoche or Kotchman or Martinez. Youkilis is now the 3rd baseman. How does Francona keep them all happy ?
Boston had better hope that Buchholz is a true No 4-5 pitcher with Wakefield and Matsuzaka out for at least another few weeks.
Yanks arent as desperate to make a move as Boston obviously is. The cheaters from Beantown have more holes.
But you have to give them credit. If they get Victor Martinez for Justin Masterson, it’s a steal. The more he pitches the more he’s exposed. Lefties hit Masterson at a .313 clip. His future clearly is in the bullpen and pitching against righties. I dont know anything about the minor leaguers involved, but they picked up a solid bat for very little it seems.
erica, I’m glad you didnt cancel it…it’s the only sane thing some of us can cling to
DFA Cody Ransom, keep Hairston as the utility player and keep Shelly Duncan up until Gardner comes back.
It doesn’t matter what “needs” or anything the Yankees may have, we’re in first place for a reason. The Red Sox making a trade to get V-Mart isn’t putting them atop the AL East and making them the favorite. We’re good enough to win with what we have right now and I’m going to enjoy seeing us win 98 games, make the playoffs and not sell the farm in the process just becasue we needed more pitching depth. We’re in much better shape than Boston right now, imo
Maybe the Sox got Kotchman because they missed out on Teixeira and they heard the Braves traded Tex for Kotchman so he must be just as good
Wow, if the Dodgers do that…….whew. Still, I’m not even thinking NL until the Yankees make the WS – what’s the point? LOL we still have no pitching depth
“It looks like Hairston is exactly the kind of player that the Yankees hope Pena will be. Pena is probably defensively but Hairston is a much better hitter and has played all 3 outfield positions in his career. I think this has the potential to be a very good pickup, the Yankees probably gave up a AA pitcher for him (unless it’s an infielder like Nunez).”
Yeah, but…but…but what happens if Hairston has a bad game? Won’t that turn it into a bad trade???
How about that, Mr. Fung!!!
“Masterson is a 5th or at best 4th starter and he was the best player in the deal”
Hagadone is the best player in the deal.
Honestly though, the Indians got fleeced. Boston got a great deal for VMart
“Cash is King,
Masterson is a 5th or at best 4th starter and he was the best player in the deal”
We’ll see if he’s the best player in the deal. Just because you know very little about those other two pitchers, it doesn’t mean they won’t be better than Masterson.
Betsy, which teams in contention in the AL have a better 5th starter than Mitre? Come On, it’s all about relative strength at this time in the season, baseball isn’t an absolute sport. And, for that matter, which of these teams have better #3 and #4 starters than the Yankees either? Detroit doesn’t count, they are not a wild card contender and I’ll take Andy over Washburn when it counts any day.
Yanks acquired Jerry Hairston Jr. from the Reds!!!
Game 4 ALDS, Anaheim up 2 games to 1. Now pitching, Sergio Mitre.
Yuck.
Hmmmm…AJ + CC + Tex ? Red Sox missed the boat with Smoltz and the other dead wood Theo added this offseason. Of course they have to do something now.
Relax
Hairston is a very good pickup. In fact last week I mentioned I’d like his brother Scott for a similar role. If he replaces Ransom and Duncan is in for Albaladejo the Yankees are a better team today than they were yesterday.
Not sure what the price was, but I doubt it was one of the ten best prospects…. sure hope not
Beimel to the Rockies.
That’s a guy that might have been good for the Yankees. Lefty reliever with good numbers the last few years and playoff experience.
Yeah, everyone is laughing now about how great this team is.
I wanna see what people say when we get knocked out in the first round by Detroit or Anaheim when all we needed was a solid pitching move at the deadline.
Cody pack your bags
http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.....id=2766389
RT @JonathanMayoB3: Hearing Yankees deal for Hairston sends Austin Jackson to Cincy; trying to confirm #mlbtrades // This is a joke, right?
jeter ss
Cano 2b
teix 1b
Arod 3b
Matsui DH
Po C
Swisher RF
Duncan LF
Melkman CF
This Vmart trade makes me think that Lowell is probably playing on stumps and he’s probably the most consistent player in the middle of their lineup. It’s a panic move.
Erica
Jeter SS
Damon LF
Tex 1B
Arod 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Swisher RF
Duncan DH
Cabrera CF
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who says she doesn’t trust you but she does trust Brian Cashman!
July 31st, 2009 at 3:48 pm
“It looks like Hairston is exactly the kind of player that the Yankees hope Pena will be. Pena is probably defensively but Hairston is a much better hitter and has played all 3 outfield positions in his career. I think this has the potential to be a very good pickup, the Yankees probably gave up a AA pitcher for him (unless it’s an infielder like Nunez).”
Yeah, but…but…but what happens if Hairston has a bad game? Won’t that turn it into a bad trade???
How about that, Mr. Fung!!!
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Tricia, only for TEAM members… (you’ll have to guess what A and M stand for though).
I think Cashman’s cell went dead
Come to think about it maybe Cleveland didnt want Bucholz. Why do the Indians want a 5 inning pitcher who will project to be a 4th starter not an ace.
john mayo says ajax was dealt for hairston jr. there’s NO way that can be right
“cashman hasnt sold the farm yet to overpay for a decent player on a bad team? off with his head i say!”
MLBTR obviously has some kick ass servers. They must be getting slammed right now, and there’s no lag at all.
From the Big League stew Live blog:
3:48 jonathanmayob3: Hearing Yankees deal for Hairston sends Austin Jackson to Cincy; trying to confirm #mlbtrades
NO!!!!
“How is Mike Lowell supposed to feel about these deals ? ”
BOS could care less how he feels. This is a business. Lowell knows that. He also knows that his best years are behind him. I doubt that he’s surprised by today’s events.
“Patrick the Prospect Hugger
Cal,
I think it will be done but maybe not until August. Cash will probably make a waiver deal to get a 5th starter if he can’t get one now.”
+++++ Well I hope you’re right man, I just don’t trust Mitre, when there are many more serviceable starters out there. Maybe they want way too much from the Yanks. I just wished we had a better alternative to Mitre. I don’t like the guy.
Hokiehill
July 31st, 2009 at 3:48 pm
erica, I’m glad you didnt cancel it…it’s the only sane thing some of us can cling to
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I try to be like a beacon of light! LOL
Seriously though, I am having a tough time keeping up today and its taking forever to refresh.
It’s very important people who submit line ups check to make sure I have them submitted!!!!
I hope those AJax rumors are false…if not, the Yankees must have been real low on him for some odd reason.
sox got kotchman too? he hammered gthe yankees in anaheim no?
“This is a joke, right?”
It has to be, unless the Yanks are getting more back from the Reds
Mayo can’t possibly be right….in what world do you give up Jackson for Hairston? o_o
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 3:50 pm
RT @JonathanMayoB3: Hearing Yankees deal for Hairston sends Austin Jackson to Cincy; trying to confirm #mlbtrades // This is a joke, right?
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
lol ajax for hairston…yeah right..whoever reported that should be hung
Bottom line is if Yankees just win 4 of the 8 games they had with the sox, we’re 10.5 up now.
If they just win TWO of those games it’s 6.5…
Beat Boston as is and no worries.
Do we really want Duncan in the Outfield????? Do we really need another loose cannon out there?
WHY WOULD YOU TRADE JACKSON FOR SOME ONE YEAR GARBAGE?
“3:48 jonathanmayob3: Hearing Yankees deal for Hairston sends Austin Jackson to Cincy; trying to confirm #mlbtrades ”
Clearly, someone is playing a joke.
Cal,
I’m not as down on Mitre as you are but yeah I don’t really trust him to hold down the 5 spot in the rotation.
I hope he proves me wrong but I’m not really expecting it.
austin jackson to cincy for hairston. volquez just stopped his sim game and returned to the clubhouse. volquez to yanks?
“How is Mike Lowell supposed to feel about these deals ?”
What makes you think Theo cares? This isn’t baseball camp. You actually have to produce. Lowell, due to his hip, is one of the 3-4 worst defensive 3B’s in baseball. He’ll get to cash his check on the 15th and 30th, but he’s going to be watching from the bench quite a bit.
If you’re relying on your fifth starter for quality innings, you probably aren’t and never will be first place. All the hand wringers out here, this GM isn’t the best GM in the world, but he has in the last few years managed to make deals for immediate help and hold on his best prospects. He’s managed to field a competitive team every single year despite the crazy notion that it’s a failure w/o a World Series Championship. I’m looking forward to Austin Jackson coming up for a visit later this month, I’m looking forward to seeing Hughes and Chamberlain continue to grow as pitchers. The fact that they’re doing all this while remaining a contender for the post-season is just gravy to me. I remember 1996 being the best year of the entire dynasty. There wasn’t a mandate to win, the fans and the team just wanted the opportunity. Not getting a Halladay or Albert Pujols may make winning the WS more difficult, but I bet it’s gonna be a lot more fun.
cash did not trade jackson, relax people.
Ajax wasn’t dealt. Those are just rumors. Hairston is a utility player.
John Mayo-for-brains is more like it.
Cashman would be shot on sight if that was the case.
“RT @JonathanMayoB3: Hearing Yankees deal for Hairston sends Austin Jackson to Cincy; trying to confirm #mlbtrades // This is a joke, right?”
21 yr old CF for 33 yr old utility man.
Yea that sounds true.
Hooray the skidmark Cody Ransom is gone
Hariston trade dependent on physical
Rolen has to okay the deal – no trade clause
JP said yesterday that he wouldn’t trade Rolen unless he traded Hallday. So obviously they did the deal just to cut money. I doubt the Jays are trading Halladay in the next half hour. All you have to do by 4 pm is call into the MLB offices and tell them you might have a deal. Deals could still be announced until 4:30-5:00.
Or there is more coming back from the Reds for Jackson, but lets hope it is a sick joke.
maybe the Yanks are getting Harang & Hairston
Cash is King,
The third pitcher was a throw in according to rotoworld.
They didn’t even know if Hagadone is going to be in the rotation. All he has right now is potential.
Indians should have at the very least required Bowden in the deal
Next year red sox will have Youkillis at third, Kotchman at first and victor martinez behind the plate. They will get rid of Lowell and Varitek.
“3:48 jonathanmayob3: Hearing Yankees deal for Hairston sends Austin Jackson to Cincy; trying to confirm #mlbtrades”
Sorry, I just threw up a little in my mouth.
Martinez and Kotchman?
Now I’m very nervous that acquiring Kotchman isn’t a prelude to trading him to Toronto.
Must be silly season if people think that Jackson was traded for Hairston Jr.
Cashman wouldn’t make it out of the next homestand alive.
Volquez and Hairston for A-Jax and assorted prospects? It’s possible.
The Sox can still do Halladay…….
I don’t get why the Pads would trade Gonzalez. I’m sure they got back talented prospects from the Dodgers, but what are the odds that any of them will be as good as Gonzalez? Also, isn’t Gonzalez young and from SD?
Bill from NJ July 31st, 2009 at 3:51 pm
john mayo says ajax was dealt for hairston jr. there’s NO way that can be right
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No they aren’t Cash sent a box of AJAX for Jerry.
http://ra-ajax.org/media/UserImages/ajax.jpg
I’m thinking now the Austin Jackson info is not accurate, stand by… #mlbtrades
kill schill
such is my worry
“Mayo can’t possibly be right….in what world do you give up Jackson for Hairston? ”
Jupiter maybe. Jackson’s speed isn’t worth crap with that much gravity
That was from Jonathan Mayo
thank god
There is no way we sent Austin for Jerry Hairston. NONE ZIP ZERO ZILCH. that is a joke. Has to be, unless there is another HUGE player coming our way.
“Cash is King,
The third pitcher was a throw in according to rotoworld.
They didn’t even know if Hagadone is going to be in the rotation. All he has right now is potential.
Indians should have at the very least required Bowden in the deal”
I don’t have a high opinion of Bowden and think Hagadone is going to be a much better ML pitcher.
I wanna see what people say when we get knocked out in the first round by Detroit or Anaheim when all we needed was a solid pitching move at the deadline.
edison volquez stopped his simulation game and returned to the clubhouse. volquez to yanks with hairston for jackson and …
will Victor be required to grow a goatee now?
“No they aren’t Cash sent a box of AJAX for Jerry.”
Nice! LOL! Good one jennifer.
Boston is a very good team and so are the Yankees. Both will be in the playoffs.
The biggest thing now is to secure home field. Most of the time it doesn’t really matter but both teams are a much better at home than they are on the road. Makes a huge difference for us to not only win a few games against them but to finish ahead of them.
“Volquez and Hairston for A-Jax and assorted prospects? It’s possible.”
No way. I truly believe that Cash wants to hold on to A-Jax.
Bill from NJ
July 31st, 2009 at 3:51 pm
john mayo says ajax was dealt for hairston jr. there’s NO way that can be right
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If that is not a joke, then Cashman’s got some splain’ to do!!!!
OMG people Ajax wasn’t dealt for a journeyman. If it was 6 yrs ago with George running the show then Yes.
4 more minutes til the BS ends.
No, that HAS to be a joke….Ajax for Hairston? If the Yankees did that, then they are out of their skulls.
BLS LB
3:53 jonathanmayob3: I’m thinking now the Austin Jackson info is not accurate, stand by… #mlbtrades
looks like he lied! trying to give us all a heart attack
Wow.
Edison Volquez returned to the clubhouse…is this the trade? Volquez and Hariston for AJax????
MLB trade rumors reporting Red Sox get Roy Halladay just under the deadline for a bag of balls, some utility equipment, a few shakes from big Papi’s locker and a player to be named later …..
Unless they threw in Volquez I don’t see Jackson in that deal at all. I doubt it’s true.
“Game 4 ALDS, Anaheim up 2 games to 1. Now pitching, Sergio Mitre.”
Now you’re being silly since you are implying that with a three-person rotation (what you typically see in the DS) the Yankees will be without three of the following: CC, Burnett, Joba, Andy, or Hughes (who can be stretched out if necessary).
‘”edison volquez stopped his simulation game and returned to the clubhouse. volquez to yanks with hairston for jackson and …”
says who?
Ramey – best AVAILABLE bat – the padres hadn’t made gonzalez available – just because they were listening to offers didn’t make him available..vmart WAS available..
hokiehill – are you saying that the yankees don’t need 2 starters, some BP help and another OF’er? thats what everyone, including 99% of the people on this blog (including you i would venture to say)have been saying for the last 3 weeks…WOW just WOW right back at ya!!!
Never heard of Jonathan Mayo, but he doesn’t seem too bright. He tweets that the Reds got AJax for Hairston, and five minutes later realizes that “it can’t be true.”
Nice.
Hey I have an idea and a question. When the yankees get to the postseason I think Joe should start Burnett first because he has been the best pitcher on the staff, and start Sabathia second. I know a lot of people will disagree with this but I think you should go into the postseason with your best pitcher, and looking at Sabathia’s record in the postseason he may feel better pitching second because he isn’t the go to guy. Then Chamberlain should start after him, and then Andy if you need a fourth starter. I know some will say that Burnett has no postseason experience, but there have been plenty of pitchers that lacked experience and dominated. Example Josh Beckett 2003 game 6 world series against the yanks.
Just what we needed. Jerry Hairston…
I’d take Volquez easily.
If Lowell can’t play in the field, will the Red Sox have to choose between him and Ortiz being the full-time DH? Lowell is having the better season, so I can’t imagine they’d put him on the bench in favor of Ortiz…
“Game 4 ALDS, Anaheim up 2 games to 1. Now pitching, Sergio Mitre.”
+++ LOL, oh the humanity, heaven help us if it reached that point. Odds are we wouldn’t even be in the playoffs.
Tick tick tick tick tick
Thank God this is just about over and now some posters can feel okay about leaving the television and forum and grabbing their paxil!!! (I think that’s the calm-down drug)
Deadlines have been extended in the past for Boston teams. Let’s not forget that it’s possible
confirmed, we did NOT trade AJAX for Jr. We traded Montero and AJAX. We are not trading AJAX people for a utility guy.
Trade deadline is over.
Volquez is at least two weeks away.
“If Lowell can’t play in the field, will the Red Sox have to choose between him and Ortiz being the full-time DH? Lowell is having the better season, so I can’t imagine they’d put him on the bench in favor of Ortiz…”
Maybe they just cut Lowell loose. Could happen.
has anyone seen volquez lately? he’s been awful
Jonathon Mayo should be fired just for that.
what do you know, it’s 4:00 PM and we all made it out alive.
take that, Mayan calendar!
We made it. It’s 4pm
I have never been so happy to see 4pm before
Oh happy day the trade line is OVER. Finally!
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My personal thanks to the Yankees for holding onto the farm.
Now ESPN is reporting Halladay went to LAA.
Halladay maybe to the Angels…From Stark on ESPN.
Pete please please tell me this Austin Jackson stuff is not true
so the reds give up encarnacion and get rolen.
Can we predict the Boston lineup too?
CF – Ellisbury
2B – Pedroia
1B – Youkilis
1B – Martinez
1B – Kotchman
3B – Lowell
DH – Ortiz
LF – Bay
C – Varitek
Calm down people. If Boston didn’t make a move for an SP, they have a lot more holes than the Yanks. In a big game, if Boston wants to play Martinez and Kotchman instead of Papi and Lowell, I am fine with it. This is an NYY circa 2004-2007 deadline for the Sox. They made moves just to make moves and didn’t really improve their weaknesses.
Time!!!!!
I was wrong, no Halladay!
Oh well, the best trades are quite often the one’s that don’t get made. I like the Yankees chances with or without a huge trade anyway.
how can anyone take a ajax for hariston trade as remotely credible…
kennedy being hurt really hurts the yanks pitching depth and also kennedy was doing well in AAA.. there weakness is starting pitching depth…………………
Jonathan Mayo works for MLB.com
He is their minor league guru. He is usually really good
i always enjoy listening to Peter Gammons describe RedSox prospects. His description of the pitcher “A high character guy”
either way i like Gammons. He is predictable and i take comfort in that.
oh and by the way, Steve Phillips is a complete idiot
i may not be alive. clay buchholz is talking right now as if he s still apart of the red sox. maybe i will live.
Cody Ransom is gone with Jerry Hairston on board and Hairston can also play some CF.
The No. 5 starter is the concern. Right now it’s either Mitre or the waiver wire in coming weeks.
Hairstone Jr.’s defense stats in 3B is damn horrible.
Volquez is intriguing but pitched 196 innings last year after only 40 something the previous year. And now he’s been on the DL since early June. And you wonder why major league teams are concerned about huge jumps in innings for young pitchers from year to year.
Rumor of Halliday to the Angels.
If it happens I will love it because it will prove my theory that posters don’t know baloney and GMs keep their stuff close to the vest.
Stark is saying that if LAA did get Halladay, they probably included Joe Saunders in the deal.
Halladay to the Angels = just lovely
Clay Laptops just told NESN that he still a member of the Red Sox
marlins get nick johnson for a bag of balls.
Just so people know you can’t trade a player on the dl.
Volquez (elbow) threw a 35-pitch light bullpen session on Wednesday and will throw an 80-pitch simulated game on Friday, the Cincinnati Enquirer reports. (Jul 29)
He is on the dl.
reds beat writer mark sheldon twitted “Volquez stopped his sim game well short of expected 80 pitches. He went back into the clubhouse”. jonathan mayo heard something about a-jax being sent to cincy. just speculating.
Deals get announced after the deadline- no guarantees that 4 pm means we’re not going to see anymore moves.
Halladay to the Angels ? Ugh…….jeez, this was a terrible day for the Yankees.
Exactly Greg. And deadlines have been extended for boston teams before.
Why would the Reds GET Rolen, and then trade Volquez? Makes no sense.
At least the Sox pitching is still awful. And Martinez isn’t even that good.
Halladay to the Angels
you can trade a player on the DL as “a player to be named later”
So how do the Yankees handle Joba’s innings limits??
let’s let the smoke clear… no volquez is not coming to the yanks.. i wish he was… reds wouldn’t do that though.
“Halladay to the Angels ? Ugh…….jeez, this was a terrible day for the Yankees.”
Says you, but I’m not so sure.
“Just so people know you can’t trade a player on the dl. ”
Yes you can. Just need permission from commissioner’s office
wonderful! a playoff rotation of sabathia-burnett-pettitte-mitre sounds wonderful! well, that is if burnett somehow stays healthy.
way stand pat yankeees! not like you had a glaring need or anything. have fun barely missing the wild card now… i would actually prefer that instead of being embarrassed with that rotation in the postseason. they seem to forget that joba is not going to pitch as a starter past september. fools
cashman needs to go…no I have not been saying anything close to that…to start, what the H is wrong with our bullpen?…nothing! second, yeah we need OF defensive help + speed (until Gardner comes back) = Hairston Jr. AT MOST we need 1 starting pitcher OR reliever IMO. You get a #4 OR #5 starter OR a solid reliever who can replace either Hughes or Ace in the pen IF they need to be stretched out to start. Where do you get that we need AT LEAST 2 SP PLUS BP arms? WOW!
If Toronto takes Saunders for Halladay they are nuts. He isn’t even close to the Hughes/Joba/labtop level. If it happens it seems like the Twins Santana deal. Take whatever you can to get him out of the division.
WHere you hearing Halladay to the Angels??
Anyone else think Boston got great value for what they gave up?
Martinez for Masterson and two prospects.
And Laroche for a talented Cotchman.
..I just don’t understand how everyone asks for Jackson, Montero, Joba, Hughes, etc. when the Yankees try and trade for someone, but the Sox get away with giving away just decent talents…
“Tricia, only for TEAM members… (you’ll have to guess what A and M stand for though).”
I could readily guess the A and M if the M were an H…
Goodluck beating halladay 3x in the ALCS or wild card
Holy…Halladay to the Angels. Please don’t happen.
Or Cashman step in…please
LAA wanted Halladay to ensure that Yankees would never beat them.
The original rumor was Saunders, Wood, and Aybar
John July 31st, 2009 at 4:03 pm
reds beat writer mark sheldon twitted “Volquez stopped his sim game well short of expected 80 pitches. He went back into the clubhouse”. jonathan mayo heard something about a-jax being sent to cincy. just speculating.
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And maybe his elbow was still bothering him.
The only way the Reds are trading Volquez is if he is damaged goods.
Why didn’t the yanks trade for Nick Johnson. He would be a better DH than Matsui.
Angels aren’t getting Halladay, their need is relief pitching, not starting pitching.
The scuttlebutt around here (L.A.) is that there is a bidding war between the Dodgers and Angels for Heath Bell.
“Halladay to the Angels ? Ugh…….jeez, this was a terrible day for the Yankees.”
I can think of worse scenarios
Robbykid – unconfirmed reports from Jayson Stark. Reported on ESPNews
mike mineo,
Joba isn’t going anywhere bud
We won’t know for sure until 4:30 to 5 PM because trades aren’t all announced at 4 PM, just submitted to Commish!
Hairston sounds versatile. Not great but versatile, which is a plus in this era where half the roster is made up of pitchers.
A decent non-blockbuster move for a player that can give several guys a much needed rest. Or a much needed replacement, depending on who you’re talking about.
If he came to the team at the cost of Ajax, then IMO it wasn’t a good move. I just haven’t heard yet.
You CAN trade people on the DL… as a PTBNL
Perhaps I haven’t seen him enough, but I don’t think V-Mart is all that good. He’s not a bum, but he’s not Texieira good at 1B.
Per Davidson: Yankees give up minor-league C Chase Weems (at Charleston) for Hairston.
“He would be a better DH than Matsui.”
$13 million reasons.
Thanks….
The Reds just traded for Rolen.. Why would they trade Volquez? That makes absolutely no sense? Why would you pick up a bat and deal away the pitching?
“At least the Sox pitching is still awful. And Martinez isn’t even that good.”
++++ I don’t know since when Victor Martinez became Ruth, Mays and Ted Williams all in one. I mean he is a quality offensive player but nothing to be feared.
If the Sox wanted V-Mart for 1st they should have gotten Nick the Stick instead.
Rumor is that the Jays got Edwin Encarnacion and Yonder Alonso for Scott Rolen.
This can’t possibly be true, can it?
“Why didn’t the Yankees trade for Nick Johnson”
Mark Teixeira says ‘Hello’
Can everyone chill out now. Action did NOT go to the reds.
Davidoff: Chase Weems for Hairston
“Per Davidson: Yankees give up minor-league C Chase Weems (at Charleston) for Hairston.”
Puts an end to that ridiculous Jackson rumor.
What is this “labtop” people keep talking about? A bunsen burner?
I know Bucholz stole some laptops in his day, but not any lab equipment, as far as I know.
“Why didn’t the yanks trade for Nick Johnson. He would be a better DH than Matsui.”
Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention, but the one thing we don’t need is another DH. Between the days that Alex, Posada and Damon need off, we have plenty of DHs. That position is covered. What we needed was pitching and a corner OF.
I thought all this new media stuff was suppsosed to make everthing eaiser and what-not.
All twitter does is make people go crazy…
Hey Angels, you don’t need to get Roy Halladay to beat us… you can grab anyone off the street and put them in an Angels uniform and they’ll beat us.
For hairston – the yanks give up C Chase Weems… no biggie there.
“If the Sox wanted V-Mart for 1st they should have gotten Nick the Stick instead.”
Good point. Would have cost them nothing and given them better D.
It’ll be interesting to see how they handle Martinez.
If they don’t play him at catcher he loses a lot of value.
Laura-
Offensively he’s a few pegs below Tex. Defensively he isn’t even in the same book. So you’re right, V-Mart isn’t that great
Everybody okay?
Great, now it’ll be the “Winners and Losers” brigade going for days.
Guess which camp the Yanks will fall into according to the talking heads?
Personally, holding on to every valuable prospect makes you a clear-cut winner.
When you’re the lead dog, you don’t make panic moves.
“Why didn’t the yanks trade for Nick Johnson. He would be a better DH than Matsui.”
Nick Johnson is made of glued-together pottery shards. Matsui’s knees are doing fine as a DH.
“Rumor is that the Jays got Edwin Encarnacion and Yonder Alonso for Scott Rolen.”
ofcourse it isn’t.
While I don’t bash Cashman, I do wonder why the Yankees are a starter short and nothing was done. Waiver deals do not bring any quality pitchers. As the first place team every other team can claim a player before the Yankees get an opportunity. For the record, they have no pitchers who can step in from the minors as a starter. Mitre was the best. Great.
I thought Weems was a decent prospect (decent bat, above avg arm)
So we’re down to practically 3.5 pitchers and we go get Jerry Hairston Jr… Nice. Im not to worry, we can always go down and get Key Igawa.
Ransom for Hairston is a good trade.
“Everybody okay?”
I think so, although I’m really not sure…I’m in a glass case of emotion!
Out of all the three possible scenrios:
1. Roy to Roid Sucks
2. Gonzo to Roid Sucks
3. Victor to Roid sucks
I would take number 3 any day. While he is a good hitter, he is below average defensivly, and the Roid Sucks still have some starting pitching issues…
Can’t wait to see Sydney Ponson back in pinstripes to help us win that championship.
trisha – OPPC lifetime member who says she doesn’t trust you but she does trust the Yankees!
July 31st, 2009 at 4:06 pm
“Tricia, only for TEAM members… (you’ll have to guess what A and M stand for though).”
I could readily guess the A and M if the M were an H…
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I’ll spot you 2 R’s and 2 O’s in those words, does that help?
Why do people keep posting saying oh no we didn’t get a starter when there will probably be a great chance that Cashman will get a starter in August. Everyone knows the Yanks are in first right? There were what all of two starters traded this week Lee and Washburn.
27 minutes left to get in on today’s thrilling round of “Guess the Line Up”. Here’s who is in so far:
(Please note- there have been a ridiculous amount of comments on the blog this afternoon. It is YOUR responsibility to make sure I have your submission)
Bill
Ramey
The Blogger Formerly Known as Dan, RayVT (same)
Andrew, William Buckner (same)
Mark H, Robbykid (same)
Hokiehill
Upstate Kate
Anthony5
Rebecca
Roger Maris
DurhamYankee, Largo (same)
Henner
Dan the Man
Bmgyanksfan
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
I farted
The slick GMs might make their deals with a minute left to go and that of course will give it a lot of play!
C Chase Weems… oh no! How could the Yankees trade him? He’s… uh… Chase!
“I would take number 3 any day. While he is a good hitter, he is below average defensivly, and the Roid Sucks still have some starting pitching issues…”
Would be fun seeing him trying to catch Wakefield, hope Brett is back soon, between Varitek and him behind the dish teams should be running all day and they do.
Halladay to the Angels ? Ugh…….jeez, this was a terrible day for the Yankees.”
“I can think of worse scenarios”
baseball related? NYY hasn’t been able to beat the Angels in the last 10 years. And now they add Halladay. NYY will not be advancing out of the American League
Jeter SS
Swisher LF
Tex 1B
Arod 3B
Posada C
Cano 2B
Hinske RF
Duncan DH
Cabrera CF
The best solution is for the Yankees to take the kid gloves off and start Joba every 5 days.
Even if they have him skip a few starts, he NEEDS to be the #3 starter in the postseason.
“If they don’t play him at catcher he loses a lot of value.”
That’s right. The Sox must be thinking of Martinez more as a catcher, with the added plus he could give Lowell and Ortiz some days off.
“Personally, holding on to every valuable prospect makes you a clear-cut winner.
When you’re the lead dog, you don’t make panic moves.”
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Couldn’t agree with you more.
In not making a blockbuster trade the Yankees remain the top team in the AL, all the others have to catch them. With a blockbuster trade, that includes our top young players, the Yankees lose some of that all-important momentum (losing a starter or two, and trying to incorporate a new guy into a pretty close locker room) going into the stretch run.
“The best solution is for the Yankees to take the kid gloves off and start Joba every 5 days.
Even if they have him skip a few starts, he NEEDS to be the #3 starter in the postseason.”
That is probably what they’re going to do.
Sounds like Scranton needed some depth if the Yankees had to get Hairston.
“Everybody okay?”
Never been better.
Repeating asinine posts doesn’t make them any less stupid.
Chase Weems=No Loss
Not likely NYY can pick up a “difference maker” pitcher now that the deadline has passed, but they still could pick up a SP or RP as depth. And outside of Halliday most of the pitchers mentioned were depth types anyway. It will be interesting to see if they start to stretch out Ace or PH.
When Gardner comes back I’m going to like having him and Hairston on the bench. Talk about being able to come off the bench and steal a base! We might actually be able to play small ball like the Angels when we have to.
my math could be slightly off…
but VMart is hitting .192 since May 22
I rarely every agree with Michael Kay, but this is the time to get someone.
If we are ahead of the Red sox, they can block us to any player. and they have the money to waste to block us and it would be money well spent for them. they’re scumbags.
But if no GM was willing to be reasonable, then I agree with cashman. this is the likely scenario
“Sounds like Scranton needed some depth if the Yankees had to get Hairston.”
That would be Ransom or Shelley. Hairston is better than both.
Wow sick trade deadline Sox get V-mart and we get Jerry Hairston Jr.
If we look at why the Yankees were weak this year is because they traded their farm at the deadlines..They did not do that this year, which is a good sign for future teams (granted we can still win this year) That Said………..LETS ALL PRAY THAY NO STARTING PITCHER GETS HURT IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS!!!
MGUMPHER
July 31st, 2009 at 4:15 pm
C Chase Weems… oh no! How could the Yankees trade him? He’s… uh… Chase!
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I would have given the Reds every Chase in the organization if they wanted them…
correction….THIS DECADE, not this year
Hairston for Weems is a bad move when we already have Ramiro Pena. A 33 year old bench player for a quality catching prospect?
hairston actually has pretty good LF UZR/150, then his 3B stats.
Hairston has actually outperformed VMart over the last 10 weeks
Is it safe? Can I stop hugging our prospects? Are they still safely in the Yankee system? Yes? Good.
Halladay thing not on mlbtraderumors yet.
Enough about the trade deadline already…
When was the last time John Henry tweeted?
And Bill Simmons latest post is about the NBA offseason???
Huuuh?
baseball related?
I would think Halladay to the Sox would be worse than the Angels.
Yankees aren’t done making trades. Cashman will acquire a pitcher in August, I can almost guarantee it.
I know Cashman said the trade deadline didn’t mean that much anymore, but I’m dubious.
All indications are that the Yanks don’t want to add more payroll, but what pitchers are going to slip through waivers that we’d get? Seems to me expensive ones.
Could be Mitre all the way to the end.
We can spin this anyway we want to but bottom line. Red Sox got better. Yankees did not.
Cashman sitting with his 2.5 game lead (which is nothing) and the immortal Sergio Mitre pitching tonight. Awesome.
Cash panics and freezes up when he has nobody to throw his checkbook at.
Eww, Martinez is a dreadful catcher he has thrown out 7 of 46 base stealers, that is a whopping 15%, Fairyek is even worse 13 of 90 for 14%. Dreadful. Teams should run on them all day once at first.
Even Jorge with a bum shoulder that was repaired is at 28%. Martinez had better carry a big stick for them indeed, because he isn’t worth much more on the catching end.
Bosox trade helps them some, but it would really help a lot if they had VMart catch and bench the captain.
Either Cashman is going to have Hughes and Joba switch roles come September, or they’re going to toss the innings limits out the window and let Joba pitch all the way into October.
Umm…I think the Yankees are set with catching prospects.
Holy hell are prospects so over-vauled.
“Mulls
July 31st, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Hairston for Weems is a bad move when we already have Ramiro Pena. A 33 year old bench player for a quality catching prospect?”
With Montero, Cervelli and Romine how many more catching prospects fo you really think we need?
Count me as nervous about the back end of the rotation in the next two months.
That said, perhaps keeping prospects will help us in the pursuit of OF help this off season.
Patrick keep hugging them until the night is over.
Mulls-
How is it a bad trade? It’s not like we don’t have Cervelli, Montero, Romine and Sanchez or anything. The Yankees traded a prospect from one of their stronger depth positions to get something they needed. That’s a good trade
Bad job by the Yankees, simply put. They have left themselves with zero margin for error with regards to pitching.
Hokehill –
SJ44 for one was saying the yankees with joba, pettite and whomever the #5 guy is was a recipe for disaster (as their 3, 4 and 5 starters) – this was of course before the asb –
i still think that joba may not throw as well as he has the last 3 starts, pettite will soon turn 38 again and throw like he did last year in august and september and mitre i’m not even going to give him any credit – so lets say one of joba and andy actually throws like they have been – that still leaves 2 starters they can’t trust – the BP does need help – melancon, robertson ,bruney and albaladejo can not be trsuted in important situations – this isn’t my opinion – this is what everyone is saying….jerry hairston is an upgrade over ransom – but who gives a flying fig about the 5th OF’er and backup infielder – the yankees needed a REAL OF’er – not just for the last 2 months but for next year as well…jerry hairston IS NOT a real of’er – he’s a benchwarmer..
so yes they did need all of the pieces I mentioned…and cashman hasn’t gotten any of them…
That was not a very intelligent post Davis. Try again soon!
Betsy:
Um, or they could make a trade in a few days when players clear waivers.
Stark is hearing no Halladay deal!!! Very good news…
You think this Hairston trade will have any affect on Ramiro Pena being called back up?
I’m sure the turn around by both Andy and Joba since the ASB had something to do with the Yankees not making a major pitching move and giving up top prospects. Since the ASB they are a combined 1.64 ERA in 6 starts, how much better can two pitchers throw? As for injuries, no other team has any better depth than the Yankees, there isn’t much anyone can do if a top of rotation guy gets hurt other than throw the next best one out there and see what happens.
Jake Peavy Dealt To White Sox Again
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 3:22pm CST]
Not sure what to make of this, but SI’s Jon Heyman tweeted that Padres pitcher Jake Peavy was dealt to the White Sox again. Heyman is not sure if Peavy OK’d it. He says the Padres get minor leaguers.
Stark now says that JP says that he was not able to deal Doc.
Peavey to the White Sox AGAIN!? That’s funny. He still has to approve it
Stark now reporting that Halladay deal did not get done between the Jays and Angels.
“Patrick keep hugging them until the night is over.”
Nah we good man
heyman saying peavy to white sox??
Has anybody seen anything to confirm or deny the rumor cited above about the possibility that the LA Angels might have made a last minute (just before the deadline) move to acquire Roy Halladay?
I saw this “possibility” question put out there by Joel Sherman on Twitter at 4:06 PM:
RT: fact rolen got done when jays execs said no rolen trade unless halladay is dealt, makes me wonder if hallday actually got moved
Anybody? Any info?
Has anybody seen anything to confirm or deny the rumor cited above about the possibility that the LA Angels might have made a last minute (just before the deadline) move to acquire Roy Halladay?
I saw this “possibility” question put out there by Joel Sherman on Twitter at 4:06 PM:
RT: fact rolen got done when jays execs said no rolen trade unless halladay is dealt, makes me wonder if hallday actually got moved
Anybody? Any info?
Has anybody seen anything to confirm or deny the rumor cited above about the possibility that the LA Angels might have made a last minute (just before the deadline) move to acquire Roy Halladay?
I saw this “possibility” question put out there by Joel Sherman on Twitter at 4:06 PM:
RT: fact rolen got done when jays execs said no rolen trade unless halladay is dealt, makes me wonder if hallday actually got moved
Anybody? Any info?
Peavy to the White Sox.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....again.html
HAHAHAHA Peavy dealed to the White Sox again. Once again, pending his approval
Peavy to the white sox? doubtful.
Wow “dealed” should be “dealt”
Gammons just said that V-Mart was the most important trade after Lee to PHI. Color me shocked that Gammons would think that BOS made the most important trade. I mean, he’s not a big fan of BOS, is he?
Why are there people insulting Cashman
Its not his fault that every other GM is outrageous in their demands from us
and their secondary goal is to help the RS win the world series.
Sorry for the three-peat!
Face saving trade for REDS. They needed to dump the salary of Happy Hairston Jr. and would take anything for that. Yanks get a utility player they will probably dump at year end and they save the face of the REDS by giving them a backup catcher in LOWER A.
GO YANKS GO CASHMAN
Wow. Peavy again to Chicago?
Peavy is out for the season and gets traded???!! LOL
“Betsy:
Um, or they could make a trade in a few days when players clear waivers.”
Pete,
Stop trying to make sense as some around here are determined to be doom and gloom.
‘Guess the lineup’ humor? Surprised nobody’s been tempted to put Valby’s world famous chorus line down as a lineup. Who’s on first, what’s on second … ya know … and so on …
I’ll leave it like that so I don’t get banned.
Yanks can get a pitcher cheap in August when noone else can afford to take on salary
How did the Sox get better if they only have two starting pitchers that can be counted on for anything and lost one of their top bullpen guys (Masterson) from the last year’s playoffs? He was the equivalent of Aceves for them.
should have traded for at LEAST one SP. Instead, they didn’t get any.
“Betsy:
Um, or they could make a trade in a few days when players clear waivers.”
Nope. The Yanks are doomed. There is nothing Cashman can do, the pinstripe apocalypse has started ALL BECAUSE WE DIDN’T GET ARROYO, WASHBURN, DAVIS, GARLAND OR BANNISTER! NOOOO
LOL Peavy just say yes.
Trades involving 2 Cy Young winners to be announced on MLB Network after the commercial?
Halladay? and ?
Peavy to the White Sox
Yay! we kept our guys! im loving it! this is the best team in baseball, thats why the socks felt they had to do something to catch up with us. maybe they did, maybe they didnt, but cash didnt overpay for anybody. now we have a great team for now and still have some excellent young talent to keep us on top.
all the cashman haters are going crazy, i love it!
cashman needs to go…I disagree with all of that. Cashman’s still going to end up with at least a relief pitcher via waiver wire and no matter how you slice it Hairston will help (and we gave up a burried catcher prospect to get him). Granted it has been a small sample size, but Mitra has been just fine as a #5 starter, Pettitte has looked good since the ASB and I trust him in the playoffs and they’ll figure something out with Joba as far as innings and getting him to pitch in the playoffs. Obviously our OPINIONS (not to be confused with facts) are different on this so feel what you want, and I’ll continue to feel differently…
The Yankees acquiring Hairston makes me want to puke.
Ian Kennedy probably would have gotten us Washburn. It’s too bad he’s on the DL.
Halladay has not been traded
Well, to be fair, Martinez is probably the second biggest name after Lee to be traded. Yes, Gammons’ is to Red Sox what Hawk Harrelson is to the White Sox, but he’s not that far off-base w/his assessment.
Victor Martinez can rake.
And Patrick is a dull-witted fanboy. Good post, Patrick. Now hop back on the short bus.
“Gammons just said that V-Mart was the most important trade after Lee to PHI.”
Verducci said V-Mart was the most important trade.
Davis, I DRIVE the short bus, get it right Einstein!
Cashman must really believe in the post Trade Deadline waiver process, he mentioned
not knocking him. He wasn’t going to get held up. I do blame the other GM’s around the league, and hope NYY signs every player they ever draft from now to infinity over-slot. And sign every key IFA player out from under them. That will make it even. Chumps.
Who did the White Sox trade for Peavy, and when is he expected to return?
Joe July 31st, 2009 at 4:27 pm
The Yankees acquiring Hairston makes me want to puke.
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And the thought of Cody Ransom playing meaningful innings during the playoff drive is o.k. with you?
Hell, I’d rather bring back Clay Bellinger than watch Cody Ransom play another inning.
The Yankees are not getting a good pitcher in August -they will be blocked for sure, and how many good pitchers are available? Washburn was a no go because you can’t trade AJax for a 2 month rental – but I have no idea what KC as for for Bannister. This was just not a good day for the Yankees….I’m sorry, but the Angels getting Doc is close to being as bad as the Sox. They had to do a better job today……..The Yanks stood still while other teams greatly improved themselves.
the Red Sox offense is still not better than the Yanks…calms down everyone:)…I did think the Yanks were going after Washburn….Detroit has a tough rotation
OMG I didn’t realize that Hairston grew up in Naperville Il. He was a little older than me and younger than my brother. I wonder if he knew him!
I’m not so sure Peavey is going to want to play for Ozzie Guillen.
Every team in the AL Pennant race has improved but us.
I just got an email from Yankees.com, going over the Hairston, the only good note, is that he is batting .353 over his past seven games!!!!-LOL
However, I do like the deal, and upgrade over Ranson, and a good defensive replacement for the statue, aka AROD
nyp_joelsherman : amazing, peavy traded off the DL, but guy most talked about, halladay, not dealt at all. 3 minutes ago from web
betsy,
The angels didn’t get Halladay.
You say nothing good is available yet you blast the Yanks for not getting someone? How does that make any sense?
CB -
YEAH The indians neded to shed the extra $2 million he is owed this year, so they dumped him for nothing,.
Why does CWS keep trying to get Peavy when he said he didn’t want to go there?
Paul T,
Shut up. Jesus Christ.
The #Padres haul for Peavy is Poreda, Richard, Russell and Carter
Isn’t Richard tonight’s starter?
Every GM is outrageous in their demands because they hate the Yankees with the red hot fervor of a thousand galaxies.
All that spending has probably got other teams thinking, “OK, big spenders, you want my guy, then fork over your top young talent, then let’s see how you fare a couple of years from now when those same players are beating your brains in?”
It’s their way of gaining a little revenge.
Hey, the guy that is pitching tonight was traded for Peavy. Guess he’s not pitching tonight.
I’m not sure I see a post-deadline deal either. If Cashman couldn’t get a deal done before the deadline, why is he going to be in a better position post-deadline?
And if a pitcher does slip through waivers where the Yanks can get him, doesn’t that say something about the pitcher? Either he’s too pricey, or he’s not good enough.
Clayton Richard is in the Peavy deal and is supposed to start tonight…
No Clayton Richard tonight. I guess that’s a good thing.
Ahahaha why would the White Sox trade for an injured Peavy after he rejected them once. It makes no sense!
Game thread
NO NEW LINE UPS ON THIS THREAD!
Tonight’s White Sox starter is on his way to San Diego …..
Peavy just in time for us.
betsy! that halladay rumor is not true!
For everyone saying Cashman needed to do something:
What exactly was Cashman supposed to do? Give in to every teams ridiculous demands for mediocre pitching? I want to here one modest proposal from a Cashman hater other than “omg he just stood there and did nothing he sux.”
I guess were not facing richards tonight!
“The Yankees are not getting a good pitcher in August -they will be blocked for sure, and how many good pitchers are available? Washburn was a no go because you can’t trade AJax for a 2 month rental – but I have no idea what KC as for for Bannister. This was just not a good day for the Yankees….I’m sorry, but the Angels getting Doc is close to being as bad as the Sox. They had to do a better job today……..The Yanks stood still while other teams greatly improved themselves.”
Sorry, I trust Cashman to know the current market better than you do. Also, your constant whining about deals that might not take place is alright for you, but I don’t think in such negative terms.
Sox pitcher for tonight in Peavy trade?
Wave,
Well the Yanks don’t really need a “good” pitcher, they need someone to pitch out of the fifth spot.
I’m confident Cash can get a deal done, especially after his comments a few weeks ago.
“Gammons just said that V-Mart was the most important trade after Lee to PHI. Color me shocked that Gammons would think that BOS made the most important trade. I mean, he’s not a big fan of BOS, is he?”
++++ Between all his drooling and salivating while blurting out the English language the senile old fart can’t help himself.
Isn’t Richard tonight’s starter?
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Yes, and a lefty to boot! Do we now face a righty which will mess up everyones lineups tonight!!!!
Gammons is foaming at the mouth with Tangueray. He doesn’t realize what a quagmire his Socks have with keeping everybody happy.
How does Francona explain to a class guy like Lowell that he’ll play maybe once a week. Casey Kotchman was a full time 1st baseman now he sees limited time.
Francona doesn’t want to offend his catcher by telling him he now has the role Kottaras had.
Peavy hasn’t pitched in a while with an ankle injury. At one point, they were saying it could be season ending. ?????
“Every team in the AL Pennant race has improved but us.”
Angels and Rangers haven’t.
The Tigers, White Sox, and Twins had more reason to improve because for those teams it’s win the division or bust, and the division race is very tight for them.
I hope so Patrick.
2nd straight year, the teams need is not addressed come trade deadline.
bunch of yutzes around here, of course everybody else did something, b/c they are trying to catch US! the yankees are once again considered by just about everybody the best team in baseball and they have to catch us. we didnt need to make any moves. cashman did his work over the winter.
the tweaking that the team needs, a #5 starter for finish up the regular season, another LH arm in the BP, cash has a month to come up with those and he will.
what happened in the last 2 weeks is that the yankees leapfrogged the bosocks and became, in the GM’s eyes, the best team in baseball.
u go c-money!
Jennifer -
Naperville is HUGE! And I think everyone in America has lived there at some point.
We did for 2 years. Loved it.
Central Naperville.
Great downtown area. 10 minutes to everything. Great schools.
And now I find out Jerry Hairston, Jr. and YOU grew up there, too.
Anthony Murillo,
OK, what’s your plan of attack.
What’s your scenario when we play the White Sox, Tigers or Anaheim first round? I’d love to hear your overwhelming confidence…Please sir?
I think what today proved is that the Yankees have gone in a different direction with Joba’s innings limits. If they were hell bent on keeping him around 150 innings it would have required a transition to the bullpen sometime before September. That would have enhanced the need for another starting pitcher.
I think it is pretty safe to say now that the Yankees are planning to roll the dice (health-wise) with Joba and have him in the rotation thru the end of the year (including the playoffs, if they make it).
If that is what is to be, then if you think about it there really was no deal to be made … the Yankees have their 4 starters they will go to war with down the stretch and thru October (CC, AJ, Joba, and Andy). They will mix and match with the #5 starter (Mitre, Aceves, maybe someone like Ivan Nova, or a waiver deal for a non-descript starter).
They have the back end of the bullpen nailed down with Hughes and Mo … Marte will be back soon and you keep throwing Bruney out there and have him work thru whatever issues he is going thru.
This is the finished product for the 2009 Yankees … it is pretty good team that is in 1st place in toughest division in baseball and playing terrific right now. They have as a good a shot as anyone in AL to go the World Series.
I always thought Kotchman was really good but everyone seemes to give him up quite easily. Do the Sawx know something we don’t or will they be moving him as well?
White Sox gave up a lot for Peavy!!
Doreen- Really. Small world! I went to Maplebrook Elementary and Lincoln Junior High, than moved away.
Hmmm…anyone want to take a gander at the 4 and 5 starters of the Dynasty championship teams? It’s really, really not pretty.
The list includes the exalted:
Hideki Irabu
Dwight Gooden
David Cone, washed-up 2000 edition
Denny Neagle
El Duque (who, for all his postseason exploits, was injury-prone and usually had an ERA over 4.)
Kenny Rogers
Whew, thank goodness Doc did not go to LA. That actually makes me feel a lot better……
Pete/CB/SJ/ anyone – do you honestly think a decent pitcher is going (a) be put on waivers and (b) not be blocked by a team behind the Yankees? I’m honestly asking because I do not know.
I honestly believe Cashman did the best he could, but the other GMs just didn’t want to deal with the Yankees unless they ravaged the farm system.
The Sox did help themselves, though I’d much rather VMart than Doc.
I am GLAD this day is over.
Boy, Joe and Evan are raving about how great the Sox are now………
hokiehill – deny all you want but if you read the posts on this blog the last hour or so – the consensus is pretty much cashman struck out – he didn’t fill what the yankee needs were..
again, even i can do a good job signing free agents to $400 million – but a GM’s worth is how he does in trades..and cashman once again hasn’t done anything….at least his hands must be nice and toasty since he’s been sitting on them all week…what a joke of a GM…
Ross, why talk about 4 or 5? We don’t even have a reliable 3
Was Joba traded when I wasn’t looking?
Good news for the Yankees. There goes tonight’s starter to the Padres.
Even if Joba has to go to the pen for the playoffs, think of the Yankees’ top 3:
Burnett
Sabathia
Pettitte
If Pettitte is pitching anything like last night, that is actually a really good top 3. Burnett and Sabathia could still throw games 4 and 5 if they had to, and otherwise you can stretch out Aceves potentially since they won’t need long relievers most likely in the playoffs with those 3 going so often.
“Ross, why talk about 4 or 5? We don’t even have a reliable 3″
Exactly.
Ross, no man but the impending doom that is the innings limit will push him to the 8th inning. Come playoffs we don’t have a reliable 3
Jennifer -
My daughters went to Kingsley Elementary and Kennedy Jr. High. then we moved back here.
Pettitte’s contract is set up the same way David Wells was ala 2003. I’m not comfortable with relying on him as the #3 in the postseason.
Disco Stu,
I think you nailed it.
The Yankees must now be committed to pitching Joba as much as necessary to win. I’m fine with that.
I love Andy Pettitte with all my heart.
However, match him up against Washburn/Edwin Jackson, Jered Weaver/John Lackey, or Gavin Floyd and it’s a big gamble when every batter means the season potentially
Jeez, is it always like this around here? I can’t imagine the Yankees would count such a large contingent of reactionary whiners and crybabies as part of their fan base.
I like this team, from the major league roster on down. If $200M can’t get you into the post-season, than that’s just too damn bad. We miss the playoffs last year, and I believe the Earth didn’t tilt off its axis. If that’s the worst thing that can happen, I can live with it.
“Pettitte’s contract is set up the same way David Wells was ala 2003. I’m not comfortable with relying on him as the #3 in the postseason.”
Once you get to the playoffs, anything can happen. Just look at the starting staff of the Phillies last season. Other than Hamels, I didn’t think any of those starters were good enough to win a WS title and look what happened.
William,
We’ll get there but we’re still a little hollow for those pesky 5-game series
why Peavy why???
Well sometimes no deal is better than a deal. It appeared that everything of value for the Yanks would cost double or triple in return. Well No! The Yankees now have a backup CF in Harrison and they added an arm to the AAA team. Sounds like he could be a real sleeper.
FROM SWB:
“Sinkerballer, tall guy,” Bernier said. “He throws a lot of strikes. When I played with him last year he was coming off, I believe, some arm troubles. He was coming back and he was just trying to regain his form and stuff, but he throws a lot of strikes. He a battler. He competes.”
Tall guy is no joke. Hirsh is listed at 6-foot-8, 250 pounds. Bernier called him a sinker-slider pitchers and pointed out that, before struggling with the Rockies, Hirsh was terrific in the upper levels of the Astros system. The guy posted a 2.10 ERA in the Pacific Coast League in 2006. That’s unheard of. Bernier seemed to think the change could do some good for Hirsh, and some of the struggles this season might be attributed to the league and home venue. Hirsh had a 7.35 home ERA at Security Service Field.
“Tough place to pitch,” Bernier said. “Sometimes it’s good just to get out and go somewhere new. I know when he was with Houston, he had pretty good years coming through the ranks. Sometimes it can be pretty difficult in that thin air up in Colorado. Stuff doesn’t move quite as much. It’s just a chance to get a chance of scenery, and that’ll probably be good.”
Frankly, Scranton/Wilkes-Barre needed someone to fill that rotation spot. At least Hirsh is an interesting player with a strong background. As far as late-season, Triple-A pickups go, this one seems pretty good.
All the teams were trying to fleece the Yankees this deadline thinking the Yanks would make a desperate move. But Cashman knows the economy is bad and teams are hurting. In a few weeks Cash Money’s phone is going to be ringing off the hook (i’m 39…i remember when phones had hooks, i think) with GM’s begging him to take payroll off their hands. Trust me. You’ll see.
ok let me see if i have this right,
Seattle demands Hughes, Chamberlain, Montero, or Austin Jackson for Washburn.
Detroit sends Luke French and Mauruico Robles for Washburn.
Seattle didn’t get back to Cashman.
Boston sends Nick Hadagone, Bryan Price, and Justin Masterson, in exchange for Victor Martinez.
Peter Gammons description of Masterson, “he is a high character guy”
ok
JeterHughesJoba ~
One other thing about Joba, if the Yankees were still in “coddle” mode with him, I seriously doubt they would be letting him pitch into and thru the 8th inning like he did the other night against Tampa Bay.
Joba and Andy are 3 and 4 in our rotation behind the two big boys. Personally, I love our chances the way Joba has been dealing since the ASB.
Rayvt,
You’ve GOT to be kidding with that post right?
Hairston is useless. Hirsch’s purpose is to stay in AAA. LOL
Today’s inaction indicates that the Hughes back to starter and Joba to bullpen is a disticnt possibility. The issue with the August trades is that it is unlikely that a playoff #3 starter will be dealt, someone else with money, say the Sox, Angels, or Dodgers (if we have a better record) will put in a claim for someone that good. Our playoff #3 starter is one of three options: 1) an overused innings-wise Joba, 2) Pettite, who is completely hit or miss now, 3) Hughes, with very little starting experience.
One thing is for sure, there margin for error in the starting rotation and bullpen is zero, actually it is Igawa and Edwar Ramirez, so less than zero.
I could be wrong, but I think Cash blew it. But, no use worrying about that now, hopefully they get back on the winning track tonight.
Caesar
Cash is King
July 31st, 2009 at 4:47 pm
“Pettitte’s contract is set up the same way David Wells was ala 2003. I’m not comfortable with relying on him as the #3 in the postseason.”
Once you get to the playoffs, anything can happen. Just look at the starting staff of the Phillies last season. Other than Hamels, I didn’t think any of those starters were good enough to win a WS title and look what happened.
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the yankees don’t play in the national league like the phillies do- getting out of the AL is the harder part of the playoffs…..the tigers #3 starter is now washburn – you know the guy with the sub 3 ERA…the angles can pitch stevie wonder and they’d beat the yankees in the playoffs….cashman struck out when he thought pettite can be a reasonable #3 starter the rest of the year and in the playoffs (if the yankees even make it)
hell the white sox just traded for a pitcher who has been on the DL for over a month knowing full well they may need peavey come playoff time – cashman did NOTHING to help this team out – and if you don’t think they need help – then i hope you like to watch the playoffs without the yankees in them again this year..
Boston stole Victor Martinez. They deserve some credit for the deal.
Basically, all the moves they made today are a response to losing Teixeira to the Yanks. The Sox plan at the time was to move Youkalis to 3rd base and Lowell would have been the odd man out. Lowell is now the odd man out again. We’ll see how smart that is.
Paul T
July 31st, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Hirsch is a better AAA call up than Igawa. Harrison has speed and is pretty good on defense. He is better than Pena right now, so they can leave Pena to develop in AAA & come up in Sept. Would I have liked a SP or RP, absolutely. But name an AL team that did get a game changing pitcher? (Peavy maybe if healthy.) I personally think Washburn is a dud. He will get lit up in a park outside of Seattle.
Good point Disco Stu.
Obviously the Yankees simply can’t afford not to pitch Joba now.
One more thing. If that’s true about Seattle demanding the world from us then taking a lesser package from Detroit… then they can go to hell.
Hopefully Joba can be consistently good and not revert back to the 4-5 innng a start Joba.
Rayvt,
You’re wrong. Washburn should be wearing our uniform next week.
He has a better ERA than Halladay and has copious playoff experience, including a WS Title. I believe he has also beaten us in the playoffs (is that a surprise?)
I find it exceptionally hard to believe that we didn’t have a handful of B prospects that Seattle didn’t want. Terrible no-move.
Caeser:
Joba is the best option for the #3 playoff starter. Hughes doesn’t have enough experience at this point. As it was proven with Joba, it can take awhile to go through the growing pains to get to the point where Joba is pitching well now.
Joba is a strong young kid. He can handle the extra innings.
Boston stole Victor Martinez. They deserve some credit for the deal.
Basically, all the moves they made today are a response to losing Teixeira to the Yanks. The Sox plan at the time was to move Youkalis to 3rd base and Lowell would have been the odd man out. Lowell is now the odd man out again. We’ll see how smart that is.
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I wonder how comfortable Jason Varitek is with this deal. He’ll do the bulk of the catching the remainder of this season, but I doubt that he’ll be resigned. For him its the WS or bust.
Boston got VMart, but who does he replace? Lowell? Varitek? Both of those guys were Yankee killers. They got a backup catcher, & a replacement player for Lowell who is not as good. They also signed a good glove to backup VMart when he plays 1B in Kotchman. They lost a bullpen guy & some prospects in a very weak system. I’ll take this as a Yankee fan.
In our division Tampa didn’t do anything.
Boston basically is trying to replace a broken wheel with a fix-a-flat.
Toronto is weaker with Rolen gone.
O’s lost Sherrill. (Weaker)
I like our chances! I see Playoff SP as CC, AJ, Joba & Andy. That is just as good a top 4 as anyone in AL.
I really like Tim Dierkes’ comment on MLBTR:
“Halladay has not been traded … So many wasted words.”
Ain’t that the truth!
This trade deadline annoyed me at first, but an hour after it’s passed, I have decided that it was more or less a wash. Victor Martinez is a good player, but Boston’s really problem is that the rotation outside of Beckett and Lester is absolutely putrid. Penny has an ERA of around 5.00, Smoltz around 7.00, and Buchholz has Typical Rookie Nibbling Syndrome and throws a hundred pitches in five innings. Even when Wakefield comes back and replaces Buchholz (I’m assuming that’s who he replaces), your rotation still has major holes. Meanwhile, the Yankees have four starters going well. In fact, Sabathia has probably been their poorest starter since the All Star Break, and if there’s one guy you don’t have to worry about in the grand scheme of things, it’s him. Mitre is lame, but you can live with him, or figure out how to get Hughes back in the rotation (which I think they’re considering) or find somebody else on waivers.
Paul T
July 31st, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Paul is Harrison an upgrade over Ransom???
Washburn sucked last year and Seattle wanted Hughes for him. This year they asked for Gardner & Melky. Then wanted Joba or Hughes. The Yanks countered, but Seattle didn’t respond. Washburn is a flyball pitcher in a big stadium. He would be torched in Yankee Stadium and in Boston. He isn’t a good fit in Yankee Stadium. The price was too much.
Harrison can fill in at CF if Melky gets hurt or needs a break until Gardner gets back. I like his versatility and he can hit and steal a lot of bases.
That said, I am disappointed in not getting another pitcher. But if getting a pitcher was going to cost us a pitcher, then I’m glad we stayed pat.
I just don’t see what the Yankees could have picked up. Peavey I suppose. Every other good pitcher out there was an AL owned trade that they didn’t want to go to the same division. It was the Phillies year. Yankees didn’t need any bats.
i’ll stop short of blaming cashman. The most likely scenario is every GM asked for Joba and Montero in return for eevry piece of scrap we called about.
However that said, Boston just got better and we treaded water. We’re still a starter short,maybe a good rightfielder short, and possibly a bullpen arm short- because its sheer lunacy to think the bullpen we have now will stay healthy considering the innings its had to endure- Ace for instance is beginning to feel the innings now. Hairston is a non move. One thing is certain we did not improve at all, and we just have to pray we avoid the injury bug.