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Phil Hughes had a rare setback as the Yankees fell to the White Sox in a walk-off.
Johnny Damon doesn’t see Boston’s 2004 title as tainted after David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez were outed as PED users.
Sam Borden writes that the only thing ruined was Ortiz’s reputation.
Fans were not stunned by the news. Mike Dougherty has that story. Mike tells me he met two blog readers in the course of working on that story. Mike and Adam, thanks for the help.
Sam also writes that the Mets and Yankees should let the trade deadline pass.
At first I wanted Halladay, but to have Joba, Hughes, Jackson, and Montero possibly in the Bronx next year…I don’t think I could do it
Poor Phil………he did just fine yesterday. He certainly has a good attitude about it, though. Andy again pitched very well – that’s great news. The fact that they didn’t hit doesn’t bother me, but I don’t love the errors…….
Sam Borden is nuts. The Yanks could use another starter and probably an OFer, too. I don’t see how they can possibly be happy with their depth…….It’s amazing, though, how every blog or tweet mentions how the Yankees do not want to add payroll……..
I just read the Shaughnessy piece – great article. However, do Sox fans really care? I doubt it.
As far as WS being tainted, I haven’t even thought about it, so no – that part doesn’t particularly bother me. They won the titles, it’s over – the Yankees had players use steroids, too.
Betsy-
I definitely agree with you. And frankly, Ortiz or Manny being implicated doesn’t surprise me. At this point, the only two names that would be “surprising” if EVER implicated in steroids would be Jeter or Pujols. If either of them were ever implicated in the whole steroid debacle, I think my life would come crashing down. Other than if those 2 were ever implicated, nobody surprises me a bit.
How is giving up 1 legit hit a setback? He was victimized by crappy crappy defense and a terribly employed shift.
Ramey, I would be shocked out of my skin if Jeter or Mo used, but I’m not even considering that they did.
Betsy-
It would go beyond shocked, I mean I couldn’t even wrap my head around the notion. Maybe that’s how Red Sox fans feel about Ortiz. He is their most beloved individual in decades.
Yep, Phil was fine, though as I said yesterday, I only saw bits and pieces. I read on another board that he was having command issues and wasn’t as sharp as he usually is, but still……Phil made the pitches when he had to. Interestingly, the headline on the main news piece was Phil losing the scoreless streak. He took the loss – didn’t really deserve it, but that’s baseball.
As I mentioned yesterday, Phil should either be kept to one inning or used solely as a multiple inning reliever. He’s getting gassed quite a bit lately as Joe is using him for more than one or two innings…….
4 PM can’t come soon enough, I am sick of all the seemingly endless speculation about Roy Halladay and all the “oh God the Red Sox are going to get [insert player here]!” panicking. That said I still think the Yankees add a pitcher, and at this point I am leaning towards thinking it will be a reliever. I think that leads to Aceves getting stretched out to become a starter again and he becomes your SP depth/guy to replace Mitre if he stinks/guy to step in for Joba if he needs to be skipped over.
As much as it sucks that Youuuuse had his scoreless streak end and we lost the game, does this mean he can get a haircut now?
Run to the barber Phil. Run
How can they say our Championships are tainted? How are A-Rods numbers tainted? If you say one is, the other has to be also.
Carl,
It has more to do with Clemens, Pettite, et.al. from the Mitchell Report that leads them to believe ours were tainted. Yankee fans should be happy solely with the fact that it finally puts RSN’s foot in their prospective mouths.
“How can they say our Championships are tainted? How are A-Rods numbers tainted? If you say one is, the other has to be also.”
The whole game is tainted is the problem. Sure McGuire, Sosa, and Bonds were all juicing when they were hitting all of those home runs, but so were a lot of pitchers in that time….so you can’t take away the HRs. The Sox had players using as did the Yankees in 04, so you can’t take away those wins either. The only thing left to do is put a big * on the entire era and move on. Sure it stinks for guys who did things the right way, but they are guilty by association. They knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it so they’re responsible too.
Hokiehill-
But then wouldn’t you have to put an * next to other era’s as well? Bob Gibson dominated when the mound was raised, shouldn’t we put an * next to his accomplishments then as well? You can’t put an * on one and not the other. Granted Gibson was playing within the confines of the rules, but it obviously skewed his stats differently when compared with players from other era’s, just as steroids have done as well.
Pitcher Tom House admited he used steroids in the 70s. He claims that there was at least 7 other pitchers on the team who juiced. He was unsure about position players though.
“Hokiehill-
But then wouldn’t you have to put an * next to other era’s as well? Bob Gibson dominated when the mound was raised, shouldn’t we put an * next to his accomplishments then as well? You can’t put an * on one and not the other. Granted Gibson was playing within the confines of the rules, but it obviously skewed his stats differently when compared with players from other era’s, just as steroids have done as well.”
Maybe an * isn’t even needed considering the “sanctimonious” nature of every era in baseball. Go back before steroids and you have amphetamines, befor that you have more spit balls, vaseline and all that crap and the farther you go back the more you have to consider the evolution of baseball equipment, weight training, etc…
My point isn’t that the steroid era is worse than any other, but moreso that we should just look at every era in baseball in its own context.
Hokiehill-
Agreed 100%
I find it absolutely amazing that the Union chooses NOW to come out and talk about how it’s against the law that these names are being leaked – where were they when Giambi’s Grand Jury testimony was leaked or when Arod’s name was leaked??????? I guess the fact that Red Sox players actually WERE using PED’s is too much for anyone to accept….give me a break!!!!!
Do you think they are trying to stretch Phil out a bit?
Speaking to Sam Borden’s piece that the Yankees and Mets should stay put as the trade deadline expires. Buster Olney was reporting that the Yankees were talking to the Royals about Brian Bannister, but the yankees balked at paying the $650k left on his salary for the season. WHAT?! A nice serviceable (young) arm like Bannister isn’t worth $650k, but they are serious about the millions left on Jarrod Washburn, who is having a career year and playing well above his head in a pitchers park?!
“I find it absolutely amazing that the Union chooses NOW to come out and talk about how it’s against the law that these names are being leaked – where were they when Giambi’s Grand Jury testimony was leaked or when Arod’s name was leaked???????”
Well, the Union had nothing to do with Giambi’s leak.
They did have something to do with how Arod’s story played out and they did indeed make similar noise to what they’re making now about it.
Chris from NJ, maybe Hal’s desire not to add payroll is more of a factor than people think…I was surprise that Josh Anderson went to the Royals for just cash…considering he would have been a sufficient sub for Gardner and only cost cash I figured the Yanks would have to be interested. Same thing with Bannister if money is all it takes. That said, I have a feeling if the Yankees balked at a deal for Bannister it was over more than taking on $650M
watched the game on mlb network last night and bob costas referred to nyy minor leaguer shelley duncan as “…chris duncan, who the yanks got in a trade w/ st. louis…” how can he make that mistake…yanks/sox? especially w/ the low number of trades that have happened up to this point!
“Do you think they are trying to stretch Phil out a bit?”
If they are, they have a ways to go. Looked last night as though he was tiring a bit when he came out for the bottom of the 9th.
6 hours and 48 minutes until the trade deadline passes!!!!
Can’t come soon enough!
MG:
Those MLB network guys were making blunders like that all night.
I’m watching SportsCenter now and Peter Gammons just said that when he talked to Arod, Arod told him that he lived in fear that the news would always come out. He said that all of the players on that list had been notified AT THE TIME so it will be interesting how Ortiz tries to explain his comment that he had no idea.
Gammons also said what some of us think is pretty much a given (though obviously you can’t know for sure until all is said and done). Doc will stay with the Jays.
the Union is responding more now because they are being pressured more than ever, by the media, fans, players and managers, to release the list of names, and they don’t want to do that.
“6 hours and 48 minutes until the trade deadline passes!!!!
Can’t come soon enough!”
Me too Erica!!!
I agree Erica, altho the Ortiz/Manny thing has been a diversion.
Upstate Kate, I was thinking the same thing regarding PH. I believe this is the 3rd straight time going back about a week that he has been in for about 40 pitches. Seems odd to handle the “EIG”(eighth inning guy) like that because then he sits for 2 days of rest. You usually treat him almost like the closer, keep him available for as many days as possible.
baseball really needs to move on for the simple reason the steroid news is boring and negative. it will not attract fans and grow the game.
lay it all out there once and for all.
and then move on.
Erica-
my bad about yesterday!!!! at least we know now that we can put the blame squarely on me for the loss, you did your part and i fizzled!
“Those MLB network guys were making blunders like that all night.”
Yeah, Costas needs to do a little more homework going forward. I’ve watched a few games on MLB network and last night was the first where I was really disappointed
I just think the whole list of 104 should come out for once and for all. Clearly someone dropped the ball and the results were not destroyed as agreed. It is extremely unfair to the 4 players who were “outed” when there are still 100 out there who are being shown no reprocussion.
These players KNEW they were going to be tested in 2003. They KNEW that if more than 5% failed, drug testing would be implemented officially. Yet, these players were so arrogant no one stopped.
Just release the whole list already, so we can all stop having the same conversation repeatedly everytime a name is leaked
Ramey – Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL
July 31st, 2009 at 9:16 am
Erica-
my bad about yesterday!!!! at least we know now that we can put the blame squarely on me for the loss, you did your part and i fizzled!
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Hahaha. Its cool. i knew you weren’t there. I just wanted you to see I did my part!
The game even waited until i got home at 9:15 to start
Come soon 4pm
“Yankee fans should be happy solely with the fact that it finally puts RSN’s foot in their prospective mouths.”
YEP!!!
I seriously don’t care what happens about trades. I just want it over. Well, let me modify that. I care what happens but know the Yanks are beyond smart and savvy so that if we do anything other than stand pat, we won’t be selling off the best parts of our farm – or team – to do so.
I never care to speculate so I won’t start now. I don’t pretend to know and never believe that fans on forums know either. The only ones who know are running the Yankee organization.
So I skip over the actual trade talk.
All of that said, I will be happy when it is over.
And here is the biggest P.S. I seriously don’t care who the Suxers get.
I wonder what peter gammons is thinking now. Manny didn’t take steroids peter, right? It is all the docs fault
Peter Gammons thinks the 2007 redsox were clean smh
“Those MLB network guys were making blunders like that all night.
Yeah, Costas needs to do a little more homework going forward. I’ve watched a few games on MLB network and last night was the first where I was really disappointed”
the number of trades that have gone through could fit on half a piece of paper…print it out and keep it in front of you and highlight the teams (if they’re even on the list) you’re broadcasting for…
“Hahaha. Its cool. i knew you weren’t there. I just wanted you to see I did my part!
The game even waited until i got home at 9:15 to start”
I kid you not, it was around the 7th inning last night and I thought to myself “if we lose this game and erica did her part and i wasn’t there to fulfill mine, i’m going to be majorly mad at myself”…..needless to say, i don’t blame the defense, or anyone else but me haha
“Buster Olney was reporting that the Yankees were talking to the Royals about Brian Bannister, but the yankees balked at paying the $650k left on his salary for the season.”
I hope that Bannister rumor gets resolved and he gets picked up. He would definitely be an upgrade as the #5 guy in the rotation. I understand a lot of people have knocked him because he is a soft-tossing control guy who the Yankees have destroyed but he would definitely be an upgrade to the rotation this year. I also think there’s no way that the $650K left on his salary was the problem with the deal, it was probably more about a prospect that Cash didn’t want to give up but he wants to make it appear as though the Yankees aren’t taking on any extra money. Seems like a case of strategic leaking to the press. Obviously we have no way of knowing for sure, but I doubt 650K is really destroying the bottom line for the team right now.
upstate kate,
The extended outing for Phil was surprising to me. What they do with him will probably depend on:
1. The state of Ace’s shoulder
2. What they do about Joba’s IP limits
3. If they can acquire a set-up/closer type today
4. How Sergio Mitre does
5. If they acquire a starter
Cases for keeping him in the pen:
1. Andy’s back on track
2. Joba’s in the driver’s seat
3. Bruney-fail
4. Marte-milk carton?
5. He’s a really, really good reliever
I would love for him to lose his Panamanian accent and go back to being SoCal Phil, though! But I can wait until the spring.
“Seems like a case of strategic leaking to the press.”
It could just as easily be a case of Buster getting misinformation…these guys are right, sometimes…but as much as their trade rumors end up being wrong, I find it difficult to take anything they say about trades at face value…until something happens, I won’t believe anything at this point. 6 -1/2 more hours…
Espn radio does a baseball show in the evening HST, and they asked Gammons if the 2 Boston championships were tainted. It’s the same sound clip that I saw on tv yesterday, but I missed the part where Gammons said, “Well, then the Yankees titles would be tainted, too.” Don’t know how I missed it the first time.
Another example of how he can’t answer a question about the Red Sox without Yankee context. He did say that the last 10 years worth of championships would be brought into question (paraphrasing).
“It could just as easily be a case of Buster getting misinformation…these guys are right, sometimes”
Also a distinct possibility, no doubt about it. Like I said, there is no way of knowing. I just find it hard to believe, either way, that the Yankees are 100% not taking on any salary whatsoever. I definitely believe they are not open to taking on blatant salary dumps (a la Bobby Abreu years back) right now, but I really doubt it will be a situation like if Tampa were making a trade and they have to balance out every penny so as to not increase the payroll.
“Espn radio does a baseball show in the evening HST, and they asked Gammons if the 2 Boston championships were tainted. It’s the same sound clip that I saw on tv yesterday, but I missed the part where Gammons said, “Well, then the Yankees titles would be tainted, too.” Don’t know how I missed it the first time.
Another example of how he can’t answer a question about the Red Sox without Yankee context. He did say that the last 10 years worth of championships would be brought into question (paraphrasing).”
It sounds terrible, but if you can ignore what we already know about Gammons and his RS bias (which is difficult), he’s exactly right.
“It could just as easily be a case of Buster getting misinformation…these guys are right, sometimes…but as much as their trade rumors end up being wrong, I find it difficult to take anything they say about trades at face value…until something happens, I won’t believe anything at this point. 6 -1/2 more hours…”
Hokie, this post puts you well ahead of the curve. This is exactly how people really need to process trade rumors. You can drive yourself crazy doing otherwise, and you end up asking yourself why you even bothered when it ends up being a fizzle. I learned that a long time ago. I believe it when it is announced by the team. Until then, it is nothing more than an air-filled baloon being floated by paid balloon floaters!
“Another example of how he can’t answer a question about the Red Sox without Yankee context.”
True, but in this case he’s right.
Sam Borden misses the point.
The perception of the 2004 Red Sox by RSN and a lot of the media was that they were clean, unlike the Yankees.
The facts have come out that 3 of their players were dirty for sure. Of course their previously untainted title is now stained. Even the Boston media is now saying it.
Can’t wait until this stupid trade deadline passes so I can cast off my prospect hugger title.
He said if Boston fans say the Yankees were, 04/07 are.
The Yankees aren’t going to let $650K stand in the way of getting a man they really want. So it’s either: a)wrong info b) red herring c) they didn’t really want Bannister so they pled poverty with an impoverished team d) they figured it worked with the Pirates, why not try again?
Ramey – Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL
July 31st, 2009 at 9:24 am
“Hahaha. Its cool. i knew you weren’t there. I just wanted you to see I did my part!
The game even waited until i got home at 9:15 to start”
I kid you not, it was around the 7th inning last night and I thought to myself “if we lose this game and erica did her part and i wasn’t there to fulfill mine, i’m going to be majorly mad at myself”…..needless to say, i don’t blame the defense, or anyone else but me haha
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And who says accountability is dead
I have been concerned the Yankees are at or over their payroll limit considering the expenditures this winter and the empty costly seats which they were counting on to pay for their winter splash. Boston will improve today. The Yankees have been on a hot streak and will cool off. The Red Sox have been in a slump and will heat up. That’s just the nature of baseball. I am greatly concerned a relatively small amount of money will cause them to make no moves of significance. Moves after today will only be for fillers and not difference makers. If nothing happens don’t blame Cashman, but the new generation of Steinbrenners.
Patrick the Prospect Hugger
July 31st, 2009 at 9:34 am
Can’t wait until this stupid trade deadline passes so I can cast off my prospect hugger title.
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Gotta be honest. I really like it. Also, if you ditch it how will we know its you?
“The perception of the 2004 Red Sox by RSN and a lot of the media was that they were clean, unlike the Yankees.”
Disagree on the media, but as far as the fans go….well, they were half right.
ESPN is also saying we’re still in on Washburn…if taking $650M with Bannister is an issue, then it is not possible we would still be interested in Washburn. He would cost considerably more money and most likely more in players…so ESPN has conflicting reports and is wrong in at least one of those cases…
I’ve paid more attention to this trade deadline then I typically do (mostly because of LoHud) and just watching out of the corner of my eye, it is easy to see that these “analysts” are literally guessing at least 1/2 of the time. I guess they feel confident if they throw out 10 possibilities and 1 happens to be right, that 1 success is enough to burry the 9 other failures…and then next year, some one will say, “XX analyst, who correctly predicted the blah blah trade, thinks this…so he must be right!”
I’m not saying Gammons is wrong. Have you guys heard the sound byte? He says it in the same breath, like a tattler who can’t wait to squeal.
I said yesterday that when he answered michelle bonner’s question, he had good points. Just don’t know how I missed that part. Probably because it was in the same breath.
“Moves after today will only be for fillers and not difference makers.”
This is up for debate. If you are worrying about the Yankees’ financial situation due to empty seats (yet the Yankees still lead in attendance, no?), imagine how it is for other teams that have tons more empty seats in other cities and are even more stressed about their bottom line. August waiver time could see a lot more talent moved than in years’ past due to budget issues. I don’t think today is the end, as at least some other talent will still be changing places in August.
“Also, if you ditch it how will we know its you?”
trust me, with patrick, we’ll know it’s him
Uh oh. Nomar Garciaparra is making up the most ridiculous story in the world. You know that his name is on the list. He just said that some players refused to take the test so their names would be on the list so that the percentage would be higher and they would do mandatory drug testing!!!!! OH MY GOD! And right after that SportsCenter discredited that story saying only those who were tested were counted. Watch Nomar looking like a scared bunny when you see his interview. What an ass!
Bronson Arroyo just said he expects to see his name on the list. And this is what I expected would happen at some point. Players are just going to out themselves because living with that sword of damacles is just too much stress.
Steve B
“Disagree on the media”
I respectfully disagre with your disagreement. I live in Mass. and read and heard it all.
randy l.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:38 am
“Also, if you ditch it how will we know its you?”
trust me, with patrick, we’ll know it’s him
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Isn’t there another Patrick who argues even more with everyone? LOL
m…Gammons is certainly a Red Sox poster boy…it’s just a shame that he gets to spout of a line like that (which falls perfectly in line with the kind of Yankees v Sox crap he says all the time) and is actually correct…
trisha – OPPC lifetime member whose new BFF is Rajai Davis
July 31st, 2009 at 9:39 am
Uh oh. Nomar Garciaparra is making up the most ridiculous story in the world. You know that his name is on the list. He just said that some players refused to take the test so their names would be on the list so that the percentage would be higher and they would do mandatory drug testing!!!!! OH MY GOD! And right after that SportsCenter discredited that story saying only those who were tested were counted. Watch Nomar looking like a scared bunny when you see his interview. What an ass!
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Hahahaha. Nomar was doing the world a favor. And I have a bridge I can sell you
“ESPN is also saying we’re still in on Washburn…if taking $650M with Bannister is an issue, then it is not possible we would still be interested in Washburn”
The $650M thing seems a bit weird. Hank and Hal could probably find that money under their couch cushions. My guess is KC wants real prosepcts for Bannister, who is a more than serviceable 4/5 guy who is under team control for another 3 years and the Yanks won’t go there.
trisha,
Thanks, on the same baseball show (i’m in the car, so I was kind of a “captive” audience), they played a clip of Nomar saying, “How do we know it’s a real list?” He totally had a point (and sounded pretty persuasive), but at this point it’s over. Case closed.
Would Bronson Arroyo be the first to admit that he’s on the list? If so, kudos. That’s what Ortiz should’ve done when Alex was outed. Some friend, huh? lol.
Is there a link that has the Bronson Arroyo quote about him doing roids?
“I respectfully disagre with your disagreement. I live in Mass. and read and heard it all.”
I’d defy to you find a story in a Boston area paper that says the Red Sox were clean and the Yankees were not. Talk radio? Well that’s something else all together.
6 hours and 16 minutes until the trade deadline passes!!!!
I have a major case of TDF (trade deadline fatique)
Here’s the beauty in the 2004* title. Maybe now Yankee fans will stop crying about how they had to be hospitalized after the “2004 embarrassment” and how it was “the greatest collapse in the history of sports”. Thankfully I was never part of that group so I can just revel in calling it 2004* The biggest soul killer for me was the Yankee collapse in 2006, when St. Joe played Sheffield in the postseason, sitting the kids who had gotten him there, and Murderer’s Row and Cano went quietly into the night in the first round.
At least in 2004 the Yankees had reasons for being exhausted and troubled (Brown breaking his fist in September for one.) There was just no good reason that I could see for the 2006 collapse.
Bronson Arroyo Story
http://www.bostonherald.com/sp....._be_cause/
“My guess is KC wants real prosepcts for Bannister, who is a more than serviceable 4/5 guy who is under team control for another 3 years and the Yanks won’t go there.”
That’s what I think too. I am still hoping they can find a way to get him and Ron Mahay in the same deal to address two needs and increase the pitching depth overall. Hopefully KC’s asking price drops as we get closer to 4.
“Bronson Arroyo just said he expects to see his name on the list. And this is what I expected would happen at some point. Players are just going to out themselves because living with that sword of damacles is just too much stress.”
If this is true, I’m glad it’s starting to happen. Although it’s too late for a player to get a boat-load of credit for “being up-front” about it…I still would prefer to see players go ahead and admit it, as opposed to pulling a Papi/ARod and straight up lying to everyone until the truth is revealed and THEN admitting it.
I found it comical in yesterday’s Sox post-game when Francona said “David needs to get some information together and then he will address this with everyone and be up front and truthful with you like he always has been.” HELLO!? I know he’s sticking up for his player, and he should, but how can you let truthful and David come out of your mouth in the same sentence even if you’re Papi’s momi?
“Is there a link that has the Bronson Arroyo quote about him doing roids?”
It was just on SportsCenter.
“The Yanks could use another starter and probably an OFer, too.”
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Betsy,
Unless the Yanks can trade for one of the big names, they can acquire another starter or OF after the trade deadline.
I’d like to see them make every effort to get a top of the line player without giving up too much.
If they cannot do that, there is no immediate rush to fill the smaller holes on the team. Tons of players will pass through waivers and can be had in the coming weeks.
If you were on the list, weren’t you told you were on the list by the Players Union?
if so, the idea that David Ortiz was surprised he was on the list is a complete sham and makes him an even bigger phony and disgrace.
“Although it’s too late for a player to get a boat-load of credit for “being up-front” about it…I still would prefer to see players go ahead and admit it, as opposed to pulling a Papi/ARod and straight up lying to everyone until the truth is revealed and THEN admitting it.”
Hokie, couldn’t agree more.
“I found it comical in yesterday’s Sox post-game when Francona said “David needs to get some information together and then he will address this with everyone and be up front and truthful with you like he always has been.” HELLO!? I know he’s sticking up for his player, and he should, but how can you let truthful and David come out of your mouth in the same sentence even if you’re Papi’s momi?”
That was a riot. Even the guys on WEEI kept going back to his vehement denials during spring training!
Oh, what a tangled web they wove.
Innocent or not, Damon must feel the heat.
His quote yesterday was, “I’m disappointed”. I hope that it was sincere.
It would’ve been funny if the full quote was, “I’m disappointed, but not surprised.”
“Isn’t there another Patrick who argues even more with everyone? LOL”
it just seems like there must be two of him
does this take goldy (dread) locks off of our radar?
Andrew,
Theris no doubt the Yanks make vastly more than anyone else, but their payroll is equally high. It seems to me they were at or above what they were willing to spend with Teixiera and then they were face with somewhat lower income than expected. That being said, I hope they will continue George’s philosophy that spending money has the potential for making a lot more.
Trisha-
Are you implying First Baseman Gary Sheffield in the 2006 ALDS was maybe not the best idea in Yankee history?
Actually, there’s some confusion in A-rod’s story. People claimed that Orzo tipped him about the positive test, which he denied. But there was also something about players getting letters?
What was the final version of the story?
carl July 31st, 2009 at 9:45 am
Bronson Arroyo Story
http://www.bostonherald.com/sp….._be_cause/
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Somewhere on Long Island, Mike Francesa is weeping
I did see in the Kansas City paper that Josh Anderson was traded to them. Arethere any other CF options other than Jackson?
also, I do have to give ARod a little bit of credit for taking the high road with Papi yesterday. All the crap Ortiz said about how players should be punished for a year, etc after all the crap ARod went through, it had to be tempting to ARod to bring up those comments. I feel like Alex a year ago may have done that…but he’s done a good job of staying out of the spotlight this season, which has been refreshing
Diet Coke boy is a PED user.
New thread!
“Diet Coke boy is a PED user.”
I doesn’t sound to me like anything has enhanced his performance.
The yankees owe it to Jeter , mo, and posada to go after a deal to improve this team. They are ready to win this year so lets get it done, I want cash to impress us today.
BD2, Gammons said that all of the players on that list were notified in 2003. And yes, that’s what makes Ortiz’s comments an even bigger joke!
Don’t you all remember when a story came out about some Mets clubhouse guy being indicted as a roids pusher (not the guy in the Mitchell Report, this was later)? They mentioned that the guy was friendly with fatso Ortiz among others. The next day Ortiz just happened to mention that he was worried that since in his country things aren’t always marked well and he could have had something to drink in one of his protein milkshakes that could have had a banned substance in it and he wouldn’t have known about it! You didn’t have to be a Rhodes Scholar to connect those dots!!!
I had him juicing because to go from 1/2 a homer to 56 in a season just wasn’t the norm! But when I read his milkshake story, I laughed my butt off. You just knew the guy was using. He ended up with the typical “body falling apart” injuries that juicers get
i’m going to be really ticked off if i get sucked into this ortiz outing.
i want to totally ignore it, but my brain is already thinking things like ” mitchel must have seen the list because novitsky had it and would of course share it with mitchell. so that means mitchell knowingly avoided red sox outing which means the whole mitchell report was for what purpose?”
see where this goes?
it’s like picking back up an old bad habit you thought you left behind.
it’s summer.
play ball.
watched the game on mlb network last night and bob costas referred to nyy minor leaguer shelley duncan as “…chris duncan, who the yanks got in a trade w/ st. louis…” how can he make that mistake…yanks/sox? especially w/ the low number of trades that have happened up to this point!
I said the same thing to my husband. I cant believe that he is not checking things before he says it on national TV.
“Gotta be honest. I really like it. Also, if you ditch it how will we know its you?”
Prior to the news that Halladay is available I was known as simply Patrick.
I guess I AM the other guy you’re referring to that argues with everyone.
“trust me, with patrick, we’ll know it’s him
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Thanks randy, that’s nice of you to say.
Randy L,
Mitchell must saw Arod’s name on the list too if that’s the case.How come nobody here is giving him credit for that?
Apparently the sox are close to a deal with cleveland for vmart. personally I would not care at all if they got him. They woul be trading their best prospect and probably a future ace in buchholz and getting back an almost 31 year old catcher/1b who is solid offensively but a mess defensively.
TAINTED! Ortiz single handedly won games for the Sox. If he wasn’t juicing they wouldn’t have won nearly as many games. His late inning heroics were legendary, and Steroid induced.
I think it is becoming fairly evident that quite a few players over the last 20+ years were doping. I am not sure we can say that a majority did (although Canseco suggests it…), but I’ll guess maybe half. To me, this means that the playing field was level, and I don’t feel comfortable calling 2004 a tainted series. I feel badly for anyone who was/is clean, because there is no way to prove innocence or guilt at this point. Pretty much anyone who set records or won titles and championships since the 1980′s will have a cloud of suspicion over those achievements.
On a separate note, I think we need to identify the person/people responsible for these leaks. In my opinion, if a baseball player can be prosecuted for lying to the grand jury (regardless of the legality of the issue being lied about…), then the parties responsible for leaking test results from the 2003 test, which was reportedly closed by the court and anonymous due to contractual agreement between the players union and MLB, are also breaking the law and subject to criminal and civil redress and should be taken to task.
Johnny Damon is on the list.
I’ve seen a list, supposedly from the NY Times and his name is on the list. Add the fact that from the article above,
“According to Damon, players who tested positive for supplements in 2003 were given time to get clean, then re-tested.”
How would Damon know you were given time to get clean, then re-tested if he himself were not on the list? I doubt Ortiz and Manny went around blurting out that “Yeah, I got caught, but they are giving me a chance to get clean and take another test.”