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Wrapping it up from Chicago

Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Jul 31, 2009 Print This Post Print This Post | Email This Post Email This Post

How many seemingly innocuous little things can add up to a bitter loss? Let’s count:

• Jim Thome dribbles a ball down the line in the seventh inning and Andy Pettitte slips on wet grass trying to pick it up. He is charged with an error as Thome reaches.

• A.J. Pierzynski grounds to third and Alex Rodriguez lets the ball deflect off his glove. It’s called an error before being charitably being changed to a hit.

• Phil Hughes comes in and gets Carlos Quention to ground into what looks like a sure double play. Except when Robbie Cano tries to turn it with Pierzynski in his face, he has only four fingers on the ball and throws what looks like a wild curveball in the dirt. It skips away from Teixeira, just far enough for a run to score.

• In the ninth, Thome hit a grounder that would have been an out — except that the Yankees were in a defensive shift, so it rolled into center.

• DeWayne Wise, a .185 hitter who into the game as a defensive replacement, wins it with a single up the middle off Phil Coke.

Yikes. It took all that for the Yankees to lose for only the third time in 14 games. Their lead was chopped to 2.5 games. Of course, it didn’t help that they managed only six hits and struck out 14 times against Gavin Floyd and Matt Thronton. Home plate umpire Ted Barrell had a Frank Drebbin strike zone tonight.

No cause for panic, although Sergio Mitre isn’t exactly an ideal stopper tomorrow night. They’ll likely need some offense against Clayton Richard.

But first comes the trade deadline. Stay tuned as we count down the hours until 4 p.m.

 
 

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93 Responses to “Wrapping it up from Chicago”

  1. Wangawa July 31st, 2009 at 1:25 am

    At least Swisher is the man!

  2. G. Love July 31st, 2009 at 1:26 am

    A Frank Drebin strike zone is being too kind to that buffoon who was behind the plate tonight.

    For a team that prides itself on swinging at strikes I can only imagine how awful tonight was.

    My only question is where was G.I. Joe in this mess. He should have gotten tossed and embarassed that homeplate ump and maybe gotten into the moron’s head enough to tighten up the zone a bit with his ejection.

  3. Brian from PA July 31st, 2009 at 1:27 am

    so nobody’s heard anything about a deal in the making? a reliever, a number 5 starter, anything? cashman is playing it quiet if he’s doing anything at all.

  4. carl July 31st, 2009 at 1:27 am

    Nice post Pete

  5. haiku-man July 31st, 2009 at 1:28 am

    When even Peter Gammons slams the RED SOX pair,it’s bad.

    The media is eating up these two roiders,chechout this site

    http;//www.bostondirtdogs.com

  6. m July 31st, 2009 at 1:28 am

    Thanks for the recap, Pete. This is one I didn’t get to watch. TG.

    Hopefully, tomorrow will end with a much better result.

    As for the trade deadline?

    -V-mart to Boston (without giving up laps)

    -Halladay? I’m still holding out for a Doc/Rios deal. Otherwise he goes to LA at the very 11th hour.

    -Washburn stays in Seattle…unless we don’t get Halladay.

  7. Edison July 31st, 2009 at 1:31 am

    Easily THE worst homeplate umpire this season.

  8. Pat M.... July 31st, 2009 at 1:31 am

    Pete,if you get the chance you have to read Shaunessy’s piece on Ortiz……Wow….

  9. Buddy Biancalana July 31st, 2009 at 1:32 am

    Rumor has V Mart possibly to Boston in a 3 way deal

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....-deal.html

  10. m July 31st, 2009 at 1:36 am

    Buddy,

    Thanks for that. That’s even better, they’re going to trade away a part of their rotation by sending Laptops. They’re going to have to sign at least 2 free agent pitchers in the winter, in a very poor buyer’s market. They’ve got Beckett, Lester, Wakefield if he can stay healthy, and no one after that that I know of. Well Daisuke will be back, but who knows what you’re going to get there.

  11. Matt sauce July 31st, 2009 at 1:37 am

    -V-mart to Boston (without giving up laps)

    -Halladay? I’m still holding out for a Doc/Rios deal. Otherwise he goes to LA at the very 11th hour.

    -Washburn stays in Seattle…unless we don’t get Halladay.

    —–

    God I hope you’re right.

  12. Al from BK July 31st, 2009 at 1:38 am

    V-Mart to Boston means no Doc, good :)

  13. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 1:39 am

    The Shaunessy piece is great.

    As for the game, blame it on the offense, dust oit off, move on.

    In his last 3 starts Pettitte has 23 k to 3 BB. He’s recieved a grand total of three runs of support.

    It ain’t his fault.

  14. Brian from PA July 31st, 2009 at 1:40 am

    the homeplate ump did have a bad strikezone but he seemed consistent with it to me. floyd kept throwing that borderline pitch on the outside and he kept calling it a strike, but the yankees were still taking the pitch in the 7th inning…you’d think they would adjust…

  15. m July 31st, 2009 at 1:45 am

    Rebecca,

    You should read the Howard Bryant piece at espn.com (front page! lol).

    In may, when Ortiz was struggling, he called up Bryant to plead his case. And Bryant wrote a very favorable piece imploring everyone to give Ortiz the benefit of the doubt.

    So O-Shaugnessy was fooled for 5 years, but I feel more for Bryant who was really played.

  16. Aaron July 31st, 2009 at 1:45 am

    Its hard to adjust when you have known the strike zone your entire life. I play summer ball and the umpires are there to get paid that is what this ump reminded me off. ive struck out 5 times in 8 at bats and probly saw less than 1 good strike in each of the strikeouts. Although in my league once the whitesox took the lead the umps wouldve said its dark now games over.

  17. Aaron July 31st, 2009 at 1:46 am

    I meant to say took the lead in the 7th.

  18. Mike July 31st, 2009 at 1:47 am

    Bonus point for the Naked Gun reference.

  19. m July 31st, 2009 at 1:48 am

    Was the ump consistent, if consistently wrong?

    And for all the things that went wrong, they still almost won the game. Good things will happen tomorrow.

  20. m July 31st, 2009 at 1:49 am

    ack.

    Consistent or consistently wrong?

  21. Shawn from MN July 31st, 2009 at 1:49 am

    How about in the top of the third? Melky doubles to lead off the inning and then Molina is up to bat. Wouldn’t it have made sense to have Molina bunt Melky over to third, then Jeter’s groundout would have put the Yanks up 1-0. That one run would have really mattered tonight.

  22. Trumpetman July 31st, 2009 at 1:51 am

    the yanks will bounce back. I just wish we could get another starter because I don’t trust mitre.

  23. igotid88 July 31st, 2009 at 1:52 am

    I saw we trade Jeter for Halladay.

  24. Pat M.... July 31st, 2009 at 1:55 am

    Rebecca, I see you’re extending you’re wings ….

  25. Howard July 31st, 2009 at 1:55 am

    That’s Enrique Pallazo!

  26. igotid88 July 31st, 2009 at 1:55 am

    I say we trade Jeter for Halladay.

  27. Shred July 31st, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Trade some B-level guys for Aaron Harang.

  28. stuart July 31st, 2009 at 1:59 am

    laptops is 25 years old… he is not a teenager… he is like 3 months younger then Lester……………

  29. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 2:01 am

    m: great read.

  30. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 2:02 am

    Pat M: I’m afraid you’ve lost me, can you explain?

  31. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 2:04 am

    “laptops is 25 years old… he is not a teenager… he is like 3 months younger then Lester……………”

    ———-

    actually, he is 24.

  32. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 2:07 am

    “”When you tell me something I didn’t already know, I’ll be surprised,” Canseco told ESPN. “And I’ll tell you this, Major League Baseball is going to have a big, big problem on their hands when they find out they have a Hall of Famer who’s used.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4367025

  33. Pat M.... July 31st, 2009 at 2:11 am

    Rebecca, As I always do at this time of the night, I visit your site to read your daily column…However tonight I discover that you’ve expanded it somewhat….I wish I had known….Although I live on the Pacific Coast, I would like to participate the next time you have a live gig going on…..You’re a talented and a rather sharp young lady….Keep spreading your wings, the exploration will be rewarded sometime soon…..In the meantime, keep writing your excellent column…..More folks here should check in there, it’s that good…..

  34. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 2:11 am

    I’m guessing Canseco is referring to Ricky Henderson

  35. Rebecca--Optimist Prime--Montero Fanaticus Primus July 31st, 2009 at 2:15 am

    Pat M: I confess, I didn’t promote it well, haha. But I shall try again next week, I didn’t expect it to be as successful as it was. Good way to kill an hour before a game.

    I’d be satisfied with a reward that involves a paycheck, however miniscule… ;)

  36. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 2:15 am

    or Ripken Jr.

  37. BD 2.0 July 31st, 2009 at 2:16 am

    Canseco played with Rickey in Oakland (along with Big Mac)

    I have no idea (if it’s even true) but those dots aren’t the hardest to connect.

  38. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 2:17 am

    1:04pm: Rosenthal and Morosi report that the Blue Jays are asking for Holland, Justin Smoak and two other prospects.

  39. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 2:18 am

    1:04am *

  40. Al from BK July 31st, 2009 at 2:19 am

    Ripken roiding would be REAL bad, Henderson eh he was a speed guy dunno how much he needed to roid.

  41. Brandon... I'M AWESOME ! BOSTON 8 NEW YORK 0 = 1st PLACE NYY July 31st, 2009 at 2:22 am

    “Canseco played with Rickey in Oakland (along with Big Mac)”

    kind of too easy a target, would I be surprised, Rickey called himself Rickey most of his life, so Brandon would not be shocked at him.

  42. Pat M.... July 31st, 2009 at 2:32 am

    Rather than looking at Teh Oakland A’s, you may want to focus at the organization in Texas that was polluted with roids…..

  43. pat July 31st, 2009 at 2:33 am

    Oh no, not “Brandon” too! Francessa just died a little inside.

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sp....._be_cause/

  44. Clare July 31st, 2009 at 2:50 am

    Pat M,

    Who from the Rangers do you suspect?

  45. Mia July 31st, 2009 at 2:52 am

    Unless the offense EXPLODES and answers every challenge, I don’t think we will do very well this series. Why do we have to miss Contreras this series???

  46. Clare July 31st, 2009 at 3:01 am

    pat,

    Thanks for the link. I don’t really care for Arroyo’s pre-emptive excuse (he may be on the list because his legal supplement might have been laced with Winstrol – yeah right) but I think it’s interesting that the storyline is changing.

    When it was ARod, it was all about he’s such a cheater. Now that it’s Manny and Ortiz, and others know their names are coming out, we’re starting to hear the real story – everyone was doing it, and no one really knew or cared what they were taking.

    This is what ARod took so much abuse for saying initially (it was a loosey-goosey time), but he was right. It was a different time, and the sooner everyone admits the obvious, and skips the sanctimonious finger-wagging at the few scapegoats who’ve taken the brunt of the blame for the entire industry, the better.

  47. Mrs. Kekich July 31st, 2009 at 3:23 am

    “This is what ARod took so much abuse for saying initially (it was a loosey-goosey time), but he was right.”

    So … you all feel better about A-Rod beign a juicehead because Ortiz is outed? I don’t get that logic. A-Rod juices, puts up unreal numbers and is anointed as the greatest player in the game, maybe of all-time. Please. If anyone thinks he is still clean you are kidding yourselves.

  48. Clare July 31st, 2009 at 3:27 am

    Here’s an article saying what I have been saying for a while now about the supposedly clean players

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07.....hoden.html

    I’m glad Ripken in particular was mentioned. His comments on ARod really annoyed me.

  49. Mrs. Kekich July 31st, 2009 at 3:29 am

    At least Shaughnessy can admit the titles are tainted unlike 98% of Yankee fans, who counter with, well, everyone was doing it.

  50. Clare July 31st, 2009 at 3:39 am

    I don’t think Boston’s titles are “tainted” – they, like the Yankees, won in the steroid era. You can argue the whole decade (or two) is tainted, but I don’t think that really means anything.

    And no, I don’t feel “better” about ARod now. What I feel better about is that I think we MIGHT be moving towards a more realistic outlook about the whole era, rather than this kabuki theater we’ve been in, where the same people (the union, owners, media, players) who ignored steroids as long as possible while it was in their interest to do so, now get indignant about each name as it comes out.

    The Mitchell report failed completely in what it was supposed to do, put steroids behind baseball. Instead, it set up and continued the hypocritical “a few bad apples” theme, instead of acknowledging the scope problem. If the report either had not named named, or had done a more complete job of naming names, the stories might have lost their impact by now.

  51. carl July 31st, 2009 at 6:09 am

    Clare,

    They are tainted because they sure aren’t “Special” anymore. Its a joke just as much as Red Sox fans claim A-Rod is. If Ortiz steps up and says I will ban myself for a year I will respect that. He shouldn’t have came out and acted like he was a saint. If you’re going to lie about it, don’t knock others for using it in public! A-Rod tests positive and you diss him like that! That was your friend! Now you have Nomar saying he maybe “fake” tested positive! Arroyo who used it! Who else?!

  52. MJ101 July 31st, 2009 at 6:52 am

    Betsy – your comments are ridiculous. You’re the troll out here.

    Please do us all a favor and stay off the thread. Thanks.

    And SJ – I know you, stop BS ing us acting like your a scout….just enjoy the game. At least your comments make sense and I agree with a lot of it. But don’t go acting like your the high and mighty scout of the Lohud blog.

  53. Doreen July 31st, 2009 at 7:11 am

    I couldn’t stay away for the end of the game last night. I’m glad they came back – it would have stunk for Andy to lose a well-pitched game. These Yankees always seem to fight to the last out, and that will pay off often enough, though not every time, as evidenced last night. You knew Hughes was going to have a blip sooner or later. Sounds like a lot of “little” things combined to make this one a loss – though before I fell asleep, the offense certainly looked as drowsy as I felt.

    Anyone think the Yankees are quietly stretching out Phil Hughes? Isn’t that two outings in a row with fairly high pitch counts? Or is it just coincidence, since in a lot of his earlier outings he was extremely economical, with several low-pitch count innings? Just a thought. :)

    Donald Fehr apparently says the Players Union is not at liberty to divulge the entire list of names since it is a sealed document and the results were supposed to be anonymous. Does that mean the members of the union would have to vote to make the list public so the Union isn’t open to a lawsuit? And isn’t it a bit ridiculous that the people leaking these names like a slow-dripping faucet are not subject, seemingly, to any sort of legal action?

    Loved hearing Guillen’s remarks with regard to the list. He’s right. Crazy as he is. :)

    Also I’m really not liking the stance of many of the ESPN guys. I think I heard one of them say last night that, concerning Ortiz, they shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he won’t get to the HOF, that that shouldn’t be a question. Hello? It was the first question – and it was answered with a resounding NO HE WON’T GET THERE – asked within seconds of ARod’s “outing.” They also made some inane statement to wrap up the segment that the players who tested positive were extremely selfish with regard to the other players, because (and I’m paraphrasing) if they had NOT tested positive, the mandatory testing would not have been put into place.

    Now, I agree the players who used steroids can be characterized as selfish (though I think there’s room for debate on the reasons why any particular player got involved with using them, rightly or wrongly), HOWEVER, one could make the argument that they actually did MLB and the Union a FAVOR by testing positive and forcing a mandatory testing program to be put into place.

    Just listening to these people gives me a headache. And listening to them do cartwheels to try and come to terms to Ortiz and Ramirez being involved in this is making me dizzy.

    Also think it’s disgusting how ARod had to sit through a trial by media while Manny gets away with saying things like “I’m only talking about baseball” and “I’m sure you have the number for the guy in the union, call him for details.” We’ll see how Ortiz is dealt with. Somehow I think they’ll be a lot more “nice” to him than they were to Alex. Don’t mistake this for me feeling sorry for Alex or defending him. Whatever he endured was of his own making; however, it seems unfair that some player undergoes this type of scrutiny while others barely get a wrap on the knuckles is offensive to me.

    I’m anxious to see what likes ahead of us until 4 this afternoon. I don’t think there will be any Yankees transactions. I think Cashman told us earlier that he thinks more players will be available after the deadline and he doesn’t feel rushed. I think that’s how he’s going to operate – he won’t be forced by a “false” deadline. And at this rate, I don’t believe Halladay is leaving Toronto. Would I bet money? Nah. :lol:

  54. Doreen July 31st, 2009 at 7:12 am

    ** I couldn’t stay AWAKE for the end of the game. Sheesh!

  55. carl July 31st, 2009 at 7:37 am

    lol doreen

  56. Terry from NH July 31st, 2009 at 7:39 am

    Tough luck loss for the Yanks last night.. woke up to this. Least Swish got some redemption. Pettitte pitched good enough to win.. Now pray Mitre can pull it out, but I still wish for another starter without breaking up the bullpen.

  57. Fran (the original) and OPPC member July 31st, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Doreen, good point about the way Ortiz and Manny are being treated now. And wasn’t it Ortiz himself who said after Alex’s name came out any player using should be suspended. Wonder if he still feels that way?

  58. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 7:44 am

    “Also I’m really not liking the stance of many of the ESPN guys. I think I heard one of them say last night that, concerning Ortiz, they shouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he won’t get to the HOF”

    Ortiz was never getting to the HOF, PED’s or not. He hasn’t been good enough, long enough. He comps out with guys like Fielder, Mo Vaughn, and guys like that. The HOF was never a question.

  59. Laura - Release the list!! July 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am

    Somebody needs to give AJ Pierzinski some chin music during this series. That slide last night at Cano was dirty. I’ve always hated that guy.

  60. 1918 is ALIVE and WELL July 31st, 2009 at 7:52 am

    From the OShaugnessy article…

    “And now David Ortiz looks like one of the television evangelists who gets caught in a seedy motel with a hooker.”

    BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Classic!! And http://www.bostondirtdogs.com is a MUST SEE this morning.

  61. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 7:52 am

    “Also think it’s disgusting how ARod had to sit through a trial by media while Manny gets away with saying things like “I’m only talking about baseball” and “I’m sure you have the number for the guy in the union, call him for details.” We’ll see how Ortiz is dealt with”\

    I’d imagine Ortiz’s post-outing will go more like Arod’s than Manny’s. Thing with Ramirez is that he never went on national TV and lied about being clean. Arod did. For my money, what Ortiz has said for public consumption approximates what Arod did w/Katie Couric.

    I think Ortiz’s handling of the situation will probably run pretty close to how Arod handled his. He’ll get a propaganda team together, have a PC, state that he did do it, offer an “I hope the public at large is stupid enough to believe” timeframe during which he did it, and apologize to his teammates and fans, and move on.

  62. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 7:55 am

    “Somebody needs to give AJ Pierzinski some chin music during this series. That slide last night at Cano was dirty”

    No it wasn’t. Perfectly clean. We’d be lauding any Yankee who went to that length to break up a double play. Arod hung on to the ball a little long and Cano should have come across the bag to make the throw.

  63. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 7:57 am

    “Doreen, good point about the way Ortiz and Manny are being treated now”

    Ortiz and Ramirez aren’t being treated the same right now. Ramirez is largely getting a pass on this because of events earlier in the year. Ortiz is getting absolutely roasted everywhere.

  64. carl July 31st, 2009 at 7:58 am

    Steve B

    I guess you didn’t see when Manny sat down with Colleen dominguez and said he never used.

  65. Commenting guidelines on this blog July 31st, 2009 at 8:03 am

    No 500 word post please.

  66. carl July 31st, 2009 at 8:03 am

    http://soxanddawgs.com/2009/03.....dominguez/

  67. Joekuh - I'll meet your mama under the O'Neill Banner! July 31st, 2009 at 8:04 am

    If Cano comes across the bag for that throw, AJ would have seriously hit him.

  68. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 8:06 am

    Carl:

    I have no clue who Colleen Dominguez is, so that is safe to say. If he did that, then shame on him.

    Just saying that at this point his 2003 test doesn’t really carry much shock value. Guy robs a bank last month and gets busted for it, is it really shocking when we learned he also robbed a bank in 2003?

  69. Doreen July 31st, 2009 at 8:10 am

    Steve B -

    I agree that ARod left himself wide open for all that followed, given his absolute denial on national tv (Couric). So Ortiz would deserve the same, it would seem. However, Ortiz’ statement yesterday that he was surprised he tested positive is interesting, “given the way he’s lived his life,” to say the least.

    It’s not so much that I want Ortiz lambasted; it’s the inconsistency. Bonds also got a lot more heat than some. I suspect it has to do with dashed expectations.

    I also agree that Ortiz is more than likely not headed to HOF, regardless of PEDs, but apparently some people think he’s in the conversation.

    Commenting Guidelines -

    Well, sorry. You don’t have to read it. And I didn’t post all day yesterday. And I won’t be posting today. So consider that my words for the day. :)

  70. haiku-man July 31st, 2009 at 8:12 am

    http://www.bostondirtdogs.com is trashing both Ortiz and Msnny.They’re angry that both World Series Boston won are tainted.

  71. Doreen July 31st, 2009 at 8:13 am

    Steve B-

    Ortiz may be getting roasted, but will he be required to sit down with Peter Gammons for a heart-to-heart? :)

  72. Betsy July 31st, 2009 at 8:15 am

    I thought Texas was asking Toronto to pick up some of Halladay’s contract – that seems to me to be a deal breaker. It sounds like Doc is going to stay in Toronto – I hope so.

  73. commenting guidelines on this blog July 31st, 2009 at 8:17 am

    Well read the guidelines on the right side of the blog,I only quoted Pete.You’re not writing a book!

  74. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 8:18 am

    “It’s not so much that I want Ortiz lambasted; it’s the inconsistency. Bonds also got a lot more heat than some. I suspect it has to do with dashed expectations”

    This is true. I think that’s largely because Arod and Bonds have topped or are threatening to top hallowed baseball records.

  75. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 8:20 am

    “It’s not so much that I want Ortiz lambasted; it’s the inconsistency. Bonds also got a lot more heat than some. I suspect it has to do with dashed expectations.”

    I think that’s part of it, but you have to consider that a lot of people did not like ARod or Bonds prior to their steroids admissions. I also think that after the whole ARod steroids circus people finally reached the point where they are numb to all of the steroid talk. Looking back at my own reactions, I was pretty shocked to hear that ARod had used steroids, but when Manny got suspended and now with this I barely feel like it’s news… Ozzie said post-game last night that this has gotten ridiculous and they should just release the entire list so we can move on. Personally, I agree with that.

  76. Vader July 31st, 2009 at 8:21 am

    “This is true. I think that’s largely because Arod and Bonds have topped or are threatening to top hallowed baseball records.”

    True…but the Sawx winning their first championship in 86 years, has to be pretty big.

  77. Vader July 31st, 2009 at 8:22 am

    The Ortiz info to me is not shocking…what is shocking is the way it will be covered and portrayed.

    All of the pundits are now saying the same thing…”I’m not surprised”…”It is very doubtful that any championship team from 1989 to 2006 was fully clean” and so on.

    I can agree with that to an extent, I think all the names should be released and then they can move on.

    What really makes me laugh though, is how if you are nice guy…you get the benefit of the doubt or the I’m desensitized to it reaction, while Bonds and A-rod were put on trial by the media.

    Do you think Pedro Gomez or Bob Holtzman will be following the Red Sox for the next two weeks…never mind the next two days?

  78. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 8:26 am

    “True…but the Sawx winning their first championship in 86 years, has to be pretty big.”

    Not really. Their titles are no more or less tainted than any title won over the last 20 or so years.

  79. haiku-man July 31st, 2009 at 8:26 am

    I wish the full list is exposed,instead of drip drip drip.
    I’m waiting for a few more names to drop.

    Boston has 2 juiced World Series,ha!!

  80. abe July 31st, 2009 at 8:28 am

    sounds like Nomar is on “the list”

    http://www.boston.com/sports/b....._the_list/

  81. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 8:28 am

    if you argue that the Sox championship are no more tainted then any in the steroid era, than don’t you have to say the same thing about the HR records? After all, it’s been said that a surprising number of pitchers were on steroids. So just like the Sox championships most likely came against teams who also had players cheating, McGuire, Bonds, Sosa, etc were all doing what they were doing against a number of pitchers who were also juicing.

  82. Doreen July 31st, 2009 at 8:29 am

    Commenting guidelines -

    You are right. I was in violation of the guidelines.

    Next time, if I have a lot to say I will definitely break it up into 5 100-word posts. :)

    Seriously, I have been trying not to do that (post lengthily). This subject matter is difficult to put into “sound bytes.”

    Steve B-

    Agreed that the records have a lot to do with it, too.

    Hokiehill -

    And personal feelings, as well.

  83. Betsy July 31st, 2009 at 8:31 am

    Just read the Shaughnessy piece – great article. Still, think Sox fans really care? I doubt it.

  84. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Doreen, don’t worry about the lengthy post…it would be one thing if you rambled about nothing but you made some good points. Pete monitors who does and doesn’t follow the guidelines and I imagine he would say something if he felt it was needed. IMO a post complaining about some one not following the posting guidelines (unless from Pete) is a much bigger waste of space than a long post.

  85. Lara08 July 31st, 2009 at 8:32 am

    The “A-Rod/ Bonds breaking records and not nice people” is wrong but understandable for the general public.

    Its inexcusable for the media who are supposed to be professionals in this whole matter. It shouldn’t matter if a player is about to break a record. So basically, if you cheat make sure you’re a nice person.

    Its not about throwing people under the bus to defend Alex or even Bonds either. Like Doreen, its the inconsistency of it all for me. And I won’t be shocked if it turns out that only Bonds, Clemens and A-Rod get the harshest of harsh treatment.

    We’ve already seen how it goes. The Yankees could be a test case for all the different ways people respond to steroids.

    There was no wringing of the hands and blog posts about conflicted feelings for cheering a cheater when Jason Giambi had a big hit like there is for Alex.

    During the game last night it was mentioned that Andy Pettitte has 142 wins in the decade. He’s second to Randy Johnson (143) so barring any problems with Andy he will surpass Johnson and have the most wins in the decade. I don’t expect that when it happens and is noted as a random statistic that there will be some snarky comment on this blog.

  86. Christina25 July 31st, 2009 at 8:32 am

    Hey Haiku man,
    Be careful what you wish for. You could be devastated if one of your favorite players is in it.

  87. Christina25 July 31st, 2009 at 8:34 am

    Betsy,
    Did you cared when Arod was busted? Do you still cheer for him after his admission?

  88. Ramey - Traded his Girlfriend to the Pirates for a PTBNL July 31st, 2009 at 8:35 am

    “Just read the Shaughnessy piece – great article. Still, think Sox fans really care? I doubt it.”

    Honestly, if I’m a Red Sox fan, I’d care a bit that the biggest icon of their franchise in the last 50 years was compromised, but at the same time, if the Yankees hadn’t won the world series in 86 years and it was found out we had players that did steroids to get us that championship, would i care? not at all lol

  89. Hokiehill July 31st, 2009 at 8:38 am

    “And isn’t it a bit ridiculous that the people leaking these names like a slow-dripping faucet are not subject, seemingly, to any sort of legal action?

    Loved hearing Guillen’s remarks with regard to the list. He’s right. Crazy as he is. ”

    I agree with both comments.

    Lara08, I agree with your post…the media plays to what people want. A lot of people don’t like Bonds or ARod so they play them out to be evil villains. People love Papi and Manny being Manny so they don’t get the same treatment. “News” and “reporting” are both all about making money, selling papers, and entertaining your audience. The days of just giving the facts are over for the most part.

  90. upstate kate July 31st, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Doreen

    I enjoyed your post, you pretty much summed up my feelings on the Ortiz situation. I was surprised to see ESPN’s piece saying the ’04 & ’07 WS were tainted (not surprised that people think that, surprised that ESPN would report that)
    I agree w/ Ozzie, release the names and move on (and I will be heart broken if Jeter or Mo are on the list)

  91. Steve B July 31st, 2009 at 9:03 am

    “if you argue that the Sox championship are no more tainted then any in the steroid era, than don’t you have to say the same thing about the HR records?”

    Yeah, but everyone’s been saying that about the homerun records for 10+ years.

  92. GiantsCauseway July 31st, 2009 at 9:12 am

    I’m Comish for a day I post the Umpire grades, that clown was awful behind the plate. If you were watching an NFL game & the announcer said “Ed Hoculi is the Ref today & you only need nine- yards for a first down with him he’s a offenses Ref” we’d be outraged. MLB lets these guys make their own rules then they toss guys who complain. You can question Presidents, Prime-Ministers & Popes, but not Umpires.

  93. haiku-man July 31st, 2009 at 10:10 am

    Christina25 as long as Albert Pujols is listed all is well.

    I suspect quite a few players.


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