“That’s all they get”
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 02, 2009 
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The postgame was a little hectic today with the players all rushing to get out of town and enjoy their day off. Two things of note:
When CC Sabathia gave up the four runs in the third inning, he stalked into the dugout and told Jose Molina, “That’s all they get.”
I asked Molina if he believed him.
“His face was mad,” Molina said. “I did believe him. He was pissed off.”
It wasn’t quite all the White Sox would get off Sabathia as they scored a run in the eighth inning that he was responsible for. But CC locked down Chicago for four innings, long enough for the Yankees to put together enough offense to win 8-5.
As pitching performances go, giving up five runs on 10 hits in seven innings is pretty lousy. But in the context of this game, it was good enough. Had the White Sox kept scoring and finished off the sweep, it would have been panic city.
“We needed this one pretty badly,” Mark Teixeira said.
Instead, the Yankees are still in first place and they get a day off to collect themselves.
The other interesting exchange came with Melky Cabrera. He spoke through an interpreter, bullpen catcher Roman Rodriguez, to most of the media. But after he was done, I asked Melky if he realized he needed a triple for the cycle when he came to the plate in the ninth inning.
“No. Not until I started running. Then I did,” he said with a little grin.
In the dugout, the Yankees were cheering like crazy.
“I think we were all running with him,” Derek Jeter said. “He had a nice little kick.”
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Chad Jennings smacked out of the park today with this feature on Shelley Duncan.
I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating. Yankees fans are very fortunate to get such comprehensive, intelligent coverage of the AAA team by Chad. A paper looking for a big-league writer would be smart to snap him him.
does anyone know why the mobile site disappeared?
Congrats Melky!
This team needs to do well in Toronto … let’s hope the day off gives the team a chance to refocus.
“When CC Sabathia gave up the four runs in the third inning, he stalked into the dugout and told Jose Molina, “That’s all they get.”
I asked Molina if he believed him.
“His face was mad,” Molina said. “I did believe him. He was pissed off.””
That is great stuff. And why I keep reading LoHud after two years.
Melky’s hit was great. As soon as it went over Dye’s head you just kind of knew, so I kept shouting GO GO GO GO!
Really good stuff, and kind of makes you feel just that little less bad about all the other bad news that’s been raining down from above.
I just noticed that the Red Sox would be willing to listen to offers on Dice-K this offseason. I’m assuming that that means the Sox think of him as a $102 million bust. So much for Theo’s genius. That said – is there truth to the fact that the gap is just too wide for japanese/asian players to traverse? I know Wang was a success, and his injuries somewhat a freak accident, but the record of asian players seems to not translate well. If/When Yu Darvish becomes available – would he then also be worth pursuiing? With the recent “Fatsuzaka” debacle, I would think the price has just dropped a significant amount…?
my last comment on the other thread:
So Remy’s kid is taking the fall for a Boston PED culture that goes back to Lynn and Rice in `79. NICE
Bucholz goes 4 ip giving 7 earned runs. LOL The red sox spot him 14 runs and he still couldn’t get through 5 innings.
(also from the last thread)
Remy’s kid was also arrested for domestic violence in the pretty recent past. That actually may lend new dimension to the arrest since we know all about the rage part of roid rage.
Little Al,
do some research, I have. Roids have been available for a long, long time.
Little Al August 2nd, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Phil, steroids were not developed at that time so dont believe everything you read, or are you that gullible?
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Um, Lyle Alzado says hello.
He started taking anabolic steroids in 1969. Steroids have been around for a long long time.
I know someone who is about to get banned.
Anabolic steroids were developed and used in the early 70′s by the East Germans in the Olympics.
http://www.steroidsources.com/.....-olympics/
Steroids have been around, in one form or the other, since the early 60′s.
August 2nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Kyle Higashioka is the big bat in Staten Island’s 4-0 lead today. 1-2 with a 3 run homer.
I have to agree with Pete. Chad Jennings coverage is terrific.
He’d be a wonderful addition to covering a major league team.
He’s does his research, knows not only the team he covers but also the opposition, and does a good job with his writing.
The AAA coverage is excellent as is the AA coverage.
The Yes Network would do well to get Chad on board to provide more insight into the AAA club.
YES should probably have someone covering each of the minor league teams – at least through high A, AA and AAA.
Given the Scranton shuttle it would provide a lot of useful insight into all of the call ups the team makes year in and out.
Fred Lynn and Jim Rice showed up huge in 1979 and claimed they had just done Nautilus. Now anyone who’s done any weightlifting knows that you cannot make noticeable gains using it over a baseball offseason. They juiced. Lynn then started getting all sorts of injuries and shrunk back down to his original size.
There are even reports that have steroids being tested as far back as 1967.
From last thread:
“I thought the best part of the story was when he got caught stealing WS Jackets from 07.
So he admits being a user, selling roids to Cyr and stealing jackets from the RedSox but it never occurred to him to deal roids to any of the Sox players.
That would be silly…they were paying him 11 bucks an hour.”
BTW, Little AL….I saw guys on my HS football team taking the stuff in the 70′s. No joke!
I think the stuff was for horses but it was being used…big time body acne too.
One thing Pete doesn’t mention about Jennings is not just that he’s a great reporter, but he’s also a great guy.
He stopped by the LoHud Scranton outing last year and I had a chance to talk to him for a while…really great guy.
When CC Sabathia gave up the four runs in the third inning, he stalked into the dugout and told Jose Molina, “That’s all they get.”
I asked Molina if he believed him.
“His face was mad,” Molina said. “I did believe him. He was pissed off.”
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Very true Peter. Chad Jennings does superb work for the Scranton Times. His coverage of the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees is top notch.
We’re very fortunate to have a journalist of his caliber to keep Yankee fans aware of what goes on with the AAA team.
His career is bright.
According to recent articles, Sid Gillman was giving out steroids to the 1962 Chargers.
“Bucholz goes 4 ip giving 7 earned runs. LOL The red sox spot him 14 runs and he still couldn’t get through 5 innings.”
It is amazing to compare the type of coverage that Joba and Hughes get compared to Buchholz, particularly in the national media.
Bucchholz is talented but he’s shown very little on the big league level. But people will still talk about him in the same breath as Joba or Hughes, both guys who continue to show success at the major league level. Any comparison with Joba at this point is ridiculous. Joba’s made 30 career starts and has a career ERA of 3.4.
But there’s still this bedrock belief that the red sox are brilliant at drafting and developing their own starting pitching.
The only guy in that rotation that they’ve developed themselves is Lester.
I can’t imagine the up roar if Joba or Hughes were pitching the way Bucchholz or Price were.
Turns out it was the 1963 Chargers. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....id=3866837
Phil-
Even earlier than that with testosterone.
http://www.steroid.com/
YT,
thanks for the link, I knew it went way further back, but I just needed to show well before 1979.
Sox and yanks go into their day off tied in the loss column for first place.
CB:
It’s the aura of the pitch-a-no-hitter-in-your-second-career-start.
Who do the Sox have to pitch beyond Beckett and perhaps Lester this year?
Dice-K? Rolled snake eyes.
Penny? Not even worth that.
Smoltz? More like chicken schmaltz.
Wakefield? Old enough, and injured enough, that we may be attending his baseball wake soon.
Bucholtz? Not even worth a Penny.
All joking aside, who’s there to pitch?
Victor Martinez had a terrific day. So did Brian Bannister.
It’ll be interesting to see if the Yankees put a claim in for a pitcher/pitchers with substantial $$$$’s left on their contracts.
It’s nice that the Yankees won and good job by them, but I can’t say as I ‘m particularly satisfied. CC is very shaky right now – the rotation is just not that good. An up and down CC, AJ and 3/4 starters that are also questionable (I’m not going to say they are ultra-reliable at this point based on a 3 good/great starts in a row). Granted the Sox have their own pitching woes with Bucholz getting pounded and Smoltz/Penny being as mediocre as they have been.
I don’t think the AL East is as good as it was advertised to be. The Rangers, the Rangers of all teams, are 1 game behind both Sox and Yankees…….I mean, who would have imagined that? I don’t think it’s any sort of guarantee that the WC comes out of the East.
I’m trying to think ahead – the Yankees just have so many pitching concerns, starting with the manager. From all accounts, CC had struggled all day and Joe still brings him out for the 8th? Words do not suffice to describe how idiotic that is. Then he yanks Phil – so I guess Phil’s last outing has now put him in the doghouse with Joe as Joe now no longer trusts him to get an out.
Congrats to Melky, though – that’s fantastic.
Rebecca,
Just think about if Hughes hadn’t torn his hamstring in his second ML start.
CB, it’s the Keith Law effect. Law honestly dislikes Phil Hughes and he truly loves Clay Bucholz. A recent chat from a few weeks ago where Law basically said that the Yankees were protecting Phil by keeping him in the pen said it all. You may think he’s a knowledgable guy, but when it comes to Phil, he’s got a blind spot.
Clare: I wasn’t even in the US at the time so I had no idea…
“I don’t think the AL East is as good as it was advertised to be. The Rangers, the Rangers of all teams, are 1 game behind both Sox and Yankees…….I mean, who would have imagined that? I don’t think it’s any sort of guarantee that the WC comes out of the East.”
Umm, the Rangers being decent isn’t a surprise. They have the best farm system in the majors. All they were missing was some halfway decent pitching.
Is it true that Phil didn’t have command of his curve again? Anyone concerned about that?
Too bad the Oriole starter was worse than Buckeye.
Pete,
Thanks for pointing me toward Chad Jennings’ piece on Shelley Duncan. It was a great piece of writing, for one, but also, it reminds us all that though we might think we do, we don’t know these guys. It was one of the best feature articles on a player I’ve ever read.
Congrats to the Melk man for his great offensive day – a CYCLE!
The Yankees did what they had to do. Best to put this series behind them. Not their best baseball, to say the least.
I don’t think Girardi’s trip back home was what he wanted it to be. Even today, after a win, he seemed a little “off.” I get the feeling something besides three ugly losses is going on.
Free Shelley Duncan.
A couple of interesting noye from the Brewers and Royals. Bill Hall has been sent to the minors.
On the Royals, although it might be true, no way should Zack Greinke has said, “This is the worst team if ever played on.” Not the best way to make your team mates happy, Zack.
Today was a much needed win…thank god we have a day off before the 2 toronto games and Boston games…which WILL decide our season.
**BRING BACK SHELLEY** send down Ransom
Who cares what Keith Law has to say about Hughes. In my opinion, both, Buchholz and Hughes are in the ML for good so now it’s up to them performance-wise and not so-called talent evaluators like Law to determine how they rate as ML pitchers. The only thing Law can do now is comment on how they both perform in the major leagues and it’s up to baseball fans to call BS with their own eyes instead of believing what some unnamed scout might say about them when they were in the minors.
The way newspapers are dying, hopefully Chad can catch on with a decent blog. Say the Yankees lohud blog?
I’m so happy for Melky.
Any idea on when Sir Ponson joins the club?
Hughes >>> Bucholz
I don’t think our new pitcher will be Ponson.
CB -
What a great idea!
For whatever reason, they don’t broadcast the minor league games, but it would make so much sense for them to include a minor league update in the nightly post-game or pre-game, for that matter. Especially since Trenton and SWB are rather convenient for many of the fans to get to.
We live close to the Trenton Thunder, about 20 minutes away. But the paper we read on a daily basis, the Star Ledger, gives a very brief game description, that’s it. And nothing of SWB.
How would we, as fans, let the YES Network know that we would love such coverage?
Hey, even at Citifield, the Mets have a scoreboard dedicated to their minor league teams.
I agree with Pete about Jennings. He’s got quite the blog going as he keeps us all informed about the guys down in AAA. The article about Shelley was extrmemely well written and gave the fans a little insight about the hard work that he has put forth while down in the minor leagues.
The Melkman delivers once again. If Gardner and Jackson want to take CF from him, they’re gonna have to take it from him and his kung fu grip.
Ramiro Pena must be getting a little more talkative since going back to Scranton. He got tossed from the game in the 1st inning on a disputed third strike call.
Roids were around when I played in the early 70′s …Certainly the awareness was nothing compared to what it morphed into….That being said, greenies & black beauties were the norm…..
Doreen and CB:
It’s well worth reading RAB, they provide a minor league recap every night, giving a brief rundown of all the teams that played and who did what.
It’s not perhaps as comprehensive as we’d wish, but it’s pretty darned good.
To the nitwit who posted the porn link:
The software records your ISP, genius. Good luck explaining that to your family, friends and boss.
Cash, I stopped caring what Law said a long time ago, but we were discussing why Bucholz is made out to be some kind of god …as opposed to Phil or Joba…and I think Law is a reason.
That said, I think Phil’s stint in the pen has turned most, if not all, of the scouts around……simply because his stuff has returned and it’s clear he’s got a tremendous presence on the mound. I do think Phil’s has regained much of his luster this year….
If the Yankees add a corner OFer that can SLG and play defense (or Carl Crawford), as they should, in the offseason, one of Melky, Gardner, and AJack will be traded, unless Swisher is.
Thanks, Rebecca, I’ll give it a look-see.
“To the nitwit who posted the porn link”
Jeez, how many kids does Jerry Remy have?
“Cash, I stopped caring what Law said a long time ago, but we were discussing why Bucholz is made out to be some kind of god …as opposed to Phil or Joba…and I think Law is a reason.
That said, I think Phil’s stint in the pen has turned most, if not all, of the scouts around……simply because his stuff has returned and it’s clear he’s got a tremendous presence on the mound. I do think Phil’s has regained much of his luster this year….”
One more time, they’re both in the major leagues for good and from now on, baseball fans can see for themselves which of them is the better ML pitcher. Law, Phillips and any other ESPN idiot analyst can’t skewed what our eyes and their stats are showing us.
For Jennings to join the Lohud blog and get paid, he’d have to be employed by the Lohud paper. If newspapers are dying, isn’t that kind of the opposite?
You don’t have to repeat yourself, Cash – you seem upset by my post……
Chicago seemed a lot more fun in that Ferris Bueller movie…
I hope the Yanks enjoy the off day in Toronto. Go easy on the gravy and fries…
The yankees could go with an all home grown outfield in the future. Melky, Gardner and Jackson that might be the best fielding outfield in baseball. If Melky can hit 15-20 homers and Gardner continues to have a good obp and Jackson lives up to the hype they could generate enough offense for them to all play everyday.
Boston should be looking for more offense from somewhere besides Pawtucket. They are in the process of being shut out for the 15th time, by Scranton. 3-0, Scranton. Jackson has a 2 run single and a run scored.
And, no, Josh Towers is not an immediate option to start for the Yanks, regardless of 7 shutout innings with 5 hits and 3 walks, 2 strikeouts.
Marte pitched .2 innings with a strikeout and a walk.
I’m no fan of the Red Sox or of Jerry Remy’s announcing, but, he doesn’t deserve to be hammered for what his adult son does.
Cory Hart’s undergone an emergency appendectomy
http://bit.ly/yCTOH
That all homegrown OF would leave them extremely vulnerable if Posada, Jeter, or A-Rod suffer a precipitous decline. They have around $35 million coming off the books. They might as well use some of it on offense.
GB, I read your post about Greinke; did he really say that? That’s inexcusable. Didn’t the Royals have patience with him while he had his anxiety disorder? You’d think that (a) he’d be a little grateful and (b) that he’d have the class not to trash his teammates. I wonder how they feel about him now?
Sloppy sloppy weekend. I hope this is a minor bump in an otherwise prosperous season.
GB
What is it 30 days rehab time in the minors? Marte must be getting close.
Greinke is probably just frustrated. That’s not meant as an excuse, just an explanation for comments that he will probably retract.
it’s unreal how mediocre CC has been this year. he’s the highest paid pitcher in history and he’s pitching like a number 3 or 4 starter. the type of money he’s making and the hype he had, for him to pitch the way he has this year is truly disappointing. the Yankees thought they were getting an ace, a stopper… i mean where is the guy we saw last year who was throwing complete game shutouts? The Yanks have a good bullpen so they don’t need CGs, but 7 or 8 shutout innings would be nice. So far, we haven’t seen any of that from CC. Yesterday I predicted he’d be mediocre, 4 or 5 runs in 7 innings, and I was dead on. the only reason he won is because our offense bailed him out. Any praise for CC today is misplaced. This guy was supposed to carry our staff and bottom line he has failed.
“You don’t have to repeat yourself, Cash – you seem upset by my post……”
I’m not upset, but you give those ESPN talking heads too much credit because knowledgeable baseball fans can see through their BS. By the way, you’re a good one to talk about somebody else being upset as you seem to be in that state of mind alot.
Betsy
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
GB, I read your post about Greinke; did he really say that? That’s inexcusable. Didn’t the Royals have patience with him while he had his anxiety disorder? You’d think that (a) he’d be a little grateful and (b) that he’d have the class not to trash his teammates. I wonder how they feel about him now?
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yeah, he did, Betsy. That’s an ugly thing for a player to say about his team mates. If that blows up in KC, he’s gone this winter.
Sabathia has been a little disappointing. He has a 3.95 era right now. He does eat up innings which is good. Hopefully he gets on a nice run in august and september.
Tarheelyank
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:34 pm
GB
What is it 30 days rehab time in the minors? Marte must be getting close.
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Yeah, 30 days is the limit, Tar. Not sure, but, he’s got to be around 21 days by now.
Greinke isn’t getting traded.
Jackson is now 2-4 with an RBI single, run scored and a stoen base. On the bad side, he was picked off of second base, though he stayed in the rundown long enough for the runner to move to second base.
lighten up, Francis. It’s just a joke.
Are you kidding..There are more Yankees known to take steroids than any team in MLB….Phil
August 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
my last comment on the other thread:
So Remy’s kid is taking the fall for a Boston PED culture that goes back to Lynn and Rice in `79. NICE
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Cory Hart’s undergone an emergency appendectomy
http://bit.ly/yCTOH
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I imagine that they’ll recall Billy Hall from AAA. Hart would look just fine playing in pinstripes and patrolling right field.
When CC Sabathia gave up the four runs in the third inning, he stalked into the dugout and told Jose Molina, “That’s all they get.”
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I couldn’t stop laughing at this comment. LOL. How much are they paying this guy again? Now ERA = ?
LOL.
LOL.
I’d only be surprised if there was a team that DIDN’T use steroids.
Pete, come on, “in the context of the game, giving up 10 hits and 5 ER in 7IP isn’t bad”…are you kidding? Chicago isn’t LA, or Boston. If CC does this against those teams, will be a loss. If CC does it IF Yanks get into playoffs, it will be a loss. It was a bad performance. So what if he “locked them down for 4 innings”. What about the other innings…10 hirs and 5ER? Paying someone $160 million and suppose to be your “ace”, this was a bad game
How about being up 3-0 and CC surrenders the lead 4-3 today? In the context of this, it is horrible.
joe b
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Are you kidding..There are more Yankees known to take steroids than any team in MLB….Phil
August 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
my last comment on the other thread:
So Remy’s kid is taking the fall for a Boston PED culture that goes back to Lynn and Rice in `79. NICE
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Considering that it was George Mitchell that wrote the report and is on Boston’s Board Of Directors, is it any surprise that only three long gone Red Sox were on that list? Get a clue, junior.
The real untold story about steroids and PEDs is that it has been widely used in every major professional sport, but only MLB receives maximal scrutiny.
Like I posted earlier, your two “aces” that get paid over $200 million gave up 12 ER in 11 innings…yes, everyone has bad days…lets not hope it continues. Boston w/VMart is just as good hitting team as the Yanks and Beckett is better than CC or AJ at this point. Yanks could get swept in Toronto Tue/Wed, especially facing Halladay first game.
GB, I guess KC ownership is going to have a talk with him. I can’t imagine them trading him, but if it does get very bad in there, they could get a truckload. On the other hand, that kind of attitude doesn’t play well in any clubhouse, be it the Royals or the Yankees. The Royals may not be any good, but I’m sure they are trying their hardest. If Greinke doesn’t understand that, then he really has problems.
I think a healthy Marte will help us, but it’s getting late in the game and I’m not sure just how healthy he’s going to get. I’m crossing my fingers, though…….
The Red Sox are always getting praise from the media. Clay sucks ! He has been in the majors as a starter twice and he hasn’t been bad, no he has been really bad. You compare the numbers and notice that he is older and you know that Chamberlain, and Hughes will be better then Clay. Heck his raitings as a prospect weren’t close to Hughes or Chamberlain.
Cc is overrated
Greinke isn’t the first player not named Jeter to say something stupid and he won’t be the last. Talk about making a mountain out of molehill.
From Pete’s twitter –
“Carl Pavano is 9-8 for the Indians and has thrown 125.2 innings. He was 9-8 in four years for the Yankees and threw 145.2 innings.”
It makes you wonder… Cleveland is out of it. Pavano is on the cheap, but his performance clauses will be kicking in soon. He’s probably available.
Cashman has always said “good” things about Carl, even when the other players were knocking him. The Yanks need a #5 starter. hmmmm..
Irony of all ironies. Bringing back Carl, would be like the Billy Martin Old Timer’s Day return to manage announcement.
Except with the opposite fan effect….lol
Fans would storm the moat.
CC is overrated? Um, no, he is just fatigued from being overworked the last two seasons, as anyone who understands abuse points knows.
we are hurting for pitching but not nearly as bad as the rs.
after becket & lester they have zip and penney,smoltz,buchholz have been getting hit hard.
not much hope there.
on an other subject.only a few teams scare mr.
it is weird.i am only worried about boston,the angels,phillies.
i am not worried about the white sox & we have not played the dodgers.
anyways good win.cc worries me but it was nice to see that he only gave up 1 run after the original 4.
joba is the best pitcher on the team.imo.
scare me(correction)
Betsy
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:48 pm
GB, I guess KC ownership is going to have a talk with him. I can’t imagine them trading him, but if it does get very bad in there, they could get a truckload. On the other hand, that kind of attitude doesn’t play well in any clubhouse, be it the Royals or the Yankees. The Royals may not be any good, but I’m sure they are trying their hardest. If Greinke doesn’t understand that, then he really has problems.
I think a healthy Marte will help us, but it’s getting late in the game and I’m not sure just how healthy he’s going to get. I’m crossing my fingers, though…….
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I can see him getting moved. It could even cause him to be valued less because of being a loose cannon. He already has the emotional issues tacked on him, as unfair as that might be, it could prohibit them getting a better deal for him from a Yankee or Boston team.
The other players may know they stink, but, a pitcher, and a pitcher with his own issues has no business popping off to the media like that. That’s going to make for a very explosive situation. It would have been better for the manager or Dejesus or Teahen to say something, but, not in the papers.
GB
Thinking about Marte, ready or not I guess he will have to take Robertson’s place? I know you can’t put to much emphasis on rehab numbers, any idea how he’s progressing? I bet he goes on waivers, but I doubt anyone will claim him.
No excuse for Greinke to say that. As it was already pointed out the Royals stuck by him when he was too scared to get on the mound. Yes I am sure it is very frustrating to play on a bad team, but imagine how his management felt when he was too afraid to step on a mound.
You don’t like how the team is playing you take them to task in a team meeting, or you talk to management.
RDM
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Like I posted earlier, your two “aces” that get paid over $200 million gave up 12 ER in 11 innings…yes, everyone has bad days…lets not hope it continues. Boston w/VMart is just as good hitting team as the Yanks and Beckett is better than CC or AJ at this point. Yanks could get swept in Toronto Tue/Wed, especially facing Halladay first game.
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Nobody gives a rat’s furry behind what you said earlier or in the future. Everyone knows what you are.
dt- fans would march on Yankee Stadium with touches if Carl found his way back to NY.
GB, I totally agree……it’s obvious the guy is getting frustrated because he’s personally not getting his wins. That doesn’t speak very well of him……
Neftali Feliz is getting called up to the big club
Are you kidding? Players say stupid things all the time. It blows over. Greinke is no different. There is a less than 0 chance that Greinke gets traded.
Oh and I agree with everyone else who says that Sabathia has been a failure. He supposed to be great in the regular season but he couldn’t even do that, and we all know that his postseason numbers are a joke. SOME ACE !!!
He better step it up against Boston, and in the postseason who he needs to go.
Why can’t this team get solid pitching? 2003 was the last year this team has had good pitching.
Tarheelyank
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
GB
Thinking about Marte, ready or not I guess he will have to take Robertson’s place? I know you can’t put to much emphasis on rehab numbers, any idea how he’s progressing? I bet he goes on waivers, but I doubt anyone will claim him.
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In the games I’ve listened to that he pitched in, a lot of deep counts against minor leaguers.
Putting him on waivers might work, because nobody’s picking up 10.5 mil in contracts, and, it’s doubtful that he’ll ask for a release and void that contract.
sorry I meant that Sabathia need to go if he doesn’t step up.
I would disregard anything that Greinke says. He’s truly a nut. A talented nut that took a long time to crack, but a nut.
It’s not an excuse, but it helps explain why he says what he says and does what he does.
If you read the SI article on him, you can get a glimpse at his genius. But he’s a baseball savant, just like Manny. They just don’t conform to society.
Whatever you say, FrenchHornBoy. You make so much sense.
GB
Thats kind of what I thought. It’s going to hurt if he’s not pitching good, but has to stay because of his contract.
LOL Jennifer. I guess Joe Torre or Angel Berroa have a better chance of coming back than Pavano.
It would be a sight though…
CC sucks in the postseason. Now this year he sucks during the regular season, and based on his current performance I don’t expect much in the postseason.
I guess Joe might have to start Burnett or Chamberlain in a game 1.
m
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
I would disregard anything that Greinke says. He’s truly a nut. A talented nut that took a long time to crack, but a nut.
It’s not an excuse, but it helps explain why he says what he says and does what he does.
If you read the SI article on him, you can get a glimpse at his genius. But he’s a baseball savant, just like Manny. They just don’t conform to society.
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Team mates might not agree with that. Veterans on that team will or already have been all over him. He made no friends with that remark.
Wonder whether Boston will switch Penny and Lester in this Tampa series to get Lester a start in at the Stadium?
Trumpetman August 2nd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
sorry I meant that Sabathia need to go if he doesn’t step up.
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Really? Where will he go?
trumpetman relax…
Sabathia has been fair so far but he also has pitched 155 innings which is huge.
less hits then innings pitched, he will be fine…
Steve: They’ve already said they will.
CC has been a failure?
His ERA is under 4. His FIP is 3.65. That means he has been victimized by bad luck. Has he been great? No, he has just been very good, but if anyone calls CC a failure, they are revealing more about themselves than they are about CC.
We should all be the failure that CC is.
That story about DiceK being shopped by Boston says volumes about what the Sox think about him.
Given the state of their starting pitching, I’d think they would tolerate whatever he says about their training and conditioning/rehab program as long as he could still pitch effectively. If this story is true, they have some issues real issues.
Penny has shown himself to be mediocre; plus, as he’s on a one year contract, may elect to go back to the easier NL. Smoltz really hasn’t performed, and between his age and shoulder surgery shouldn’t be expected to have a renaissance. Wakefield has a chronically bad back. And Bucholz still needs to show he can deliver on his promise; his no-hitter last year notwithstanding.
So, although Penny and Smoltz were low-cost to acquire, their relative failures may prove to be very costly to Boston, both this year and going forward. Yes, trading for Victor Martinez was nice, but starting pitching is still the coin of the realm. Failure to have a dependable rotation may wind up costing them not only this year, but next.
betsy – what were those comments you made after i posted yesterday saying CC should take note how a real ace (beckett)pitches? Something to the effect that you didn’t bother reading the rest of my post if it had more “Gems” like the last comment….
care to go back and read it again after CC’s latest debacle?
The yankees ace unfortunately is still pitching in Toronto..or if you care for 2 other picthers who are actually pitching like aces (that were available) one is pitching in philadelphia (lee) and the other is now pitching in detroit (washburn) – all 3 were available for a few minor leaguers who probably won’t ever see the majors – and if they do it won’t be until the core of current yankees are up in the YES booth calling the games on TV..
but chin up – i hear sidney ponson is now available…maybe cashman can catch lightning in a bottle with him the third time..
Thx Rebecca. Makes sense that they would.
DT-
Sidney Ponson seems to be on a collision course with the Yankees. Can you think of any other player that returns to the Yankees for a third tour of duty?
(Side note- I was at the game when he made his very first Yankee debut)
SWB against pawtucket Monday on NESN….
watch……………
Erica – always OPPC
If the Yankees are dumb enough not to move Hughes to the rotation, they deserve Ponson.
GB7,
Of course I wasn’t talking about anyone associated with the Royals.
But as a Yankee fan? From the outside looking in? It’s none of my concern. He’s off his rocker, just like manny is. You can’t change that. They don’t have that safety that (most) Yankees have that keeps the foot out of the mouth.
Our concerns is getting off this 5-5 slide we’re currently on.
If you haven’t read the article, please do. It explains a lot.
My Priest at this morning’s Mass, mentioned Thurman Munson in the Prayer decication…..He’s from Staten Island’s St. Joesph’s …..Long time Yankee Fan from the 50′s…..The Mick was his Man
Tarheelyank
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:03 pm
GB
Thats kind of what I thought. It’s going to hurt if he’s not pitching good, but has to stay because of his contract.
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Not saying that he’s washed up or finished for the year, but, he’s hardly pitched this year. Not sure of what lower body workouts he was doing while on the DL, but, his arm isn’t in the shape it needs to be in. Hopefully, he’ll be back to his pre-2008 self for the stretch. That would be a big arm. One good thing is that at AAA Scranton, they’re continuing to stretch out Kroenke and convert him into a starter. Tomorrow is his 2nd or 3rd start. So far this year, he has a sub 0.80 ERA.
Richie
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Erica – always OPPC
If the Yankees are dumb enough not to move Hughes to the rotation, they deserve Ponson.
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I believe Hughes belongs in the rotation, however I understand the argument for leaving him in the bullpen. I think stretching him out at this point in the season would ultimately lead to injury. I would rather keep him in the bullpen where he has been lights out than risk losing him altogether.
So if Sidney Ponson is the alternative, then bring on Sir Sidney!
Rebecca
I read your post on Munson. He was a pleasure to watch. No one I can think of that played with more grit or guts. He was a true Yankee. It was a shock and a sad day when he passed away.
Cashman ……sorry, I still disagree with you about Beckett/Sabathia, but I’m not going to get into it with you.
CC has not been what we expected this year, but it doesn’t mean he’s still not a terrific pitcher. You don’t just judge players on one game, 1 half a season, even a season or two……
GreenBeret7
haven’t other players on the Royals already complained publicly about the teams play?
Oops. That sounded rude.
If you read the article, you’ll see other examples of him speaking his mind with little regard of the consequences. He’s just not like the rest of us. In good ways and bad.
cashman needs to go
2008 ERA
CC 2.70
Beckett 4.03
2008 IP
CC 253
Beckett 174
You understand the concept of cause and effect, right?
“DT-
Sidney Ponson seems to be on a collision course with the Yankees. Can you think of any other player that returns to the Yankees for a third tour of duty?”
He’s like Ricky Henderson with the A’s. Like a bad penny, they couldn’t shake him. I think he had 4 stints.
Can’t think of any Yankee on three tours with the team. I think Nelson and Stanton only had two.
DT-
My favorite Sidney Ponson line ever was when they asked former teammate Milton Bradley about him last season after he was released by Texas and Mr. Bradley said “That dude’s got issues”. Ummm… pot calling the kettle black much?
DT
Does Billy Martin count?
Let’s all hope the Red Sox can’t shake their bad Penny.
So the Sox want to move Dice-K.
They’ve been at odds since his debut. About stuff such as pre-game and post-game routines, etc.
So, if they unload him, they’re looking at 2-3 free agent signings in the winter? Interesting.
Ponson, Pavano. Those names make want to
I’m just saying that Sabathia should be better for the amount of money being spent. Plus he sucks during the postseason. Do we want to go down the road to another alds failure.
CC hasn’t lived up to the lofty expectations (he’d probably be the first to admit it) – but he has still done well.
Year 1 in NY can do funny things. Lots of players haven fallen victim to the pressure and hype. Look at Clemens’ first year for example.
no matter what cashman does, it seems like he’s faced with signing sydney ponson.
ground hog day all over again.
How’s this stat? What athlete has won 30% of their starts?
richie –
beckett – 2 WS rings
CC – plate full of onion rings
why not post stats from this season?
i’m not anti-CC – other than the fact that he’s a good pitcher but not great – 170 million dollars notwithstanding..
i’m pissed at cashman for not understanding that even after spending $400 million – this team is still full of huge holes that he refused to fix this week – and all it took is a 19 year old DH – and some few spare parts who now broke his hand and will be out the rest of the year…
watching beckett win WS #3 this year will be a real treat for cashman and yankee fans (me included)…
I’m sure if given the opportunity (and $160 million), Hideki Irabu could have gotten an ERA of 3.83 or better.
Erica – always OPPC
Up until today’s outing, Hughes was up to around 40 pitches in his last three outings. He could have been stretched to 50 today, and 60 within two weeks, and near 90 by the end of the month making a transition to the rotation very easy by Sept.
Joe Girardi said today that if they do make Hughes a starter, it will only be if someone is injured, so in effect, they will stretch out Hughes much faster than I am suggesting.
For some reason, Girardi has lost his way.
Ponson v. Pavano?
Ponson.
We always get run support when he pitched.
“Does Billy Martin count?”
oh my goodness gracious. Forget about him. I was thinking players. You have to use two hands to count Billy’s tours.
MaineYankee:
“Don’t cry because it’s over, smile because it happened”
randy l.
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:18 pm
no matter what cashman does, it seems like he’s faced with signing sydney ponson.
ground hog day all over again.
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I believe the correct line is “deja vu all over again”. Thank you Mr. Yogi Berra
jennifer
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm
GreenBeret7
haven’t other players on the Royals already complained publicly about the teams play?
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If they have, it wasn’t to the media. That’s not the players’ responsibility. That’s front office manager stuff. Nothing will upset players more in a clubhouse than to go public. If they were a team of dogs, it may or may not be excusable. Not when you have a very young team that’s trying. You didn’t hear it from a respected vet like Teahen or Dejesus. It was from some loudmouth worried more about his own stats than the team. The timing was less than perfect. It came after he lost.
bob
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I’m sure if given the opportunity (and $160 million), Hideki Irabu could have gotten an ERA of 3.83 or better.
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Hideki Irabu’s Yankee career ended with two words. “Fat toad”. LOL
I still giggle like 13 year old Erica did when I think about that famous Steinbrenner quote
I’m just saying that Sabathia better step up during the Boston series and the postseason or he will be branded a bust. I agree, a full year evaluation is the way to go, but it isn’t looking good for him so far.
“I still giggle like 13 year old Erica did when I think about that famous Steinbrenner quote”
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I was wrong. i was 17 when Steinbrenner uttered those famous words
It always takes CC BEING SMACKED HARD BEFORE HE WAKES UP!
cashman needs to go
CC was better than Beckett in 2006, was as good as Beckett in 2007, and better than Beckett in 2008 by virtually every metric.
He was overused the last two seasons and the cumulative fatigue has affected his mechanics, but signing him was a no brainer given the Yankees’ needs and their business model.
Are they going to skip Mitre’s start and have A.J. pitch on Thursday?
Richie
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Erica – always OPPC
Up until today’s outing, Hughes was up to around 40 pitches in his last three outings. He could have been stretched to 50 today, and 60 within two weeks, and near 90 by the end of the month making a transition to the rotation very easy by Sept.
Joe Girardi said today that if they do make Hughes a starter, it will only be if someone is injured, so in effect, they will stretch out Hughes much faster than I am suggesting.
For some reason, Girardi has lost his way.
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The problem is that Bruney isn’t Bruney right now. And Aceves isn’t Aceves. So transitioning Hughes would put a giant hole in the bullpen. Plus, there is the risk of possibly causing an injury by stretching him out after transitioning him to the bullpen mid-season
Tiger Woods
As best I remember, Bob Cerv was the only three time Yankee.
Remember that The Great HOF pitcher Catfish Hunter lost his first five decisions after he signed the biggest contract in sports……I only hope that he doesn’t opt out from his contract in a few years…..I’m quite certain that all who are ragging on him now will be unaccounted for if he indeed splits from the Bronx……..
I seriously doubt Pavano’s return – but it would be worth it to see the look of horror on the Yankee player’s faces.
Cleveland did it right – Carl gets over 5 million if he hits all his performance clauses. (starts and IP)
If he was on a guaranteed contract he’d have a band aid on his butt for sure.
Ponson & Pavano? Get both.
Steel cage death match.
Cashman Needs to Go,
Beckett already has 3 WS rings. I’m glad you don’t let reality get in the way of your irrationality.
Pat M….
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Remember that The Great HOF pitcher Catfish Hunter lost his first five decisions after he signed the biggest contract in sports……I only hope that he doesn’t opt out from his contract in a few years…..I’m quite certain that all who are ragging on him now will be unaccounted for if he indeed splits from the Bronx……..
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I am so not ready for another A-Rod type “will he or won’t he” opt-out saga
Well Girardi is a bigger idiot then I thought if he plans to stretch Hughes out. He is going to ruin this guys career.
Fire Girardi !!!
If and when Damaso Marte returns, he’ll be nothing more than a situational lefthander out of the pen.
Cashman will closely watch the waiver wire for the right pitching help. There’s little pitching to select from this year when the rosters are expanded in September.
Erica – always OPPC
Two words: Mark Melancon
You are assuming there is an injury risk to Hughes based on what, Joba? He has much less sound mechanics, and as I told you, Girardi implied today that he would be willing to do it much more quickly. There is nothing risky about stretching Hughes out from 40 IP to 90 IP in a month.
btw, Aceves is Aceves, he has merely reverted to his career norm.
How does Beckett have 3 rings?
That’s correct Darrin.
He’s also the best closer in history.
36-1 with an outright 54-hole lead. 47-3 with at least a share of the lead.
Trumpetman
Wrong is right?
Beckett already has 3 WS rings. I’m glad you don’t let reality get in the way of your irrationality.
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Wrong. Beckett got a WS ring in 2003 with the Marlins and in 2007 with Boston.
Green Hasn’t Jose Guillen spouted off before?
Also what team would pick up Dice K? he is still owed a fair amount of money. He is a 5 inning pitcher that gives up loads of walks. Teams have finally caught up to him. If the soxs got rid of him the fa class for pitchers is as follows. There is actually a fair amount of PA pitchers, no one that really jumps off the page. Also Joshy is a FA with a club option, wouldn’t be shocked if he threw a hissy fit and got them to decline so he could resign at a higher salary.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ree-a.html
Richie
Well here is a question about Sabathia: WHY DOES HE SUCK IN THE POSTSEASON ?
He was great in 2007 when he won the CY young but failed against Boston twice in postseason games in the alcs.
Great article by Chad Jennings on Shelly Duncan. He really has a nice blog on the Yankees Triple-A team. His article caught all the very aspects on Shelley.
I could actually see a dog fight for harden and Lackey.
“Beckett already has 3 WS rings. I’m glad you don’t let reality get in the way of your irrationality.”
He has 2 WS rings. 2003 and 2007.
jennifer-
It makes me laugh that on the list of future FA they bold Scott Boras clients. Its like they are saying “deal with on your own risk”.
It did sadden me to see MPB Johnny Damon on it. What a harsh reminder
Erica, The economic climate will have much to do in regarding CC’s opt clause…..
Wow, I was wrong and I’m sorry. Not about the irrational part, but certainly about the Beckett part.
I have the best idea!
Why don’t the Yankees offer Carl Pavano a contract for 4 years and 39.95 million dollars!!!
Oh wait, we tried that one already didn’t we?
Erica- If Damon stays healthy I’d think the Yankees would bring him back 1 year plus option.
jennifer
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Erica- If Damon stays healthy I’d think the Yankees would bring him back 1 year plus option.
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Thats what I am hoping for…….
Beckett in a big game (postseason) can be counted on, can you say the same for CC ?
Erica – always OPPC
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
jennifer-
It makes me laugh that on the list of future FA they bold Scott Boras clients. Its like they are saying “deal with on your own risk”.
It did sadden me to see MPB Johnny Damon on it. What a harsh reminder
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I think it might be time to start scouting for a replacement.
I thought Eric Hinske was signed through next year.
gb 7
i caught a bob cerv bp home run in batting practice barehanded and went over to show my father who promptly gave it this little neighbor kid who came along with us.
i was ticked off.
MaineYankee
I think it might be time to start scouting for a replacement.
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Replacement what?? Left fielder or pretend boyfriend??? (Don’t say both…) LOL
Wily Mo Pena is only 28? yeah right. and I am the queen of England.
Actually I do want Damon back because he is old and this team needs new blood, it needs to get younger. Guys with grit and heart, not washed up old veterans who only care about getting paid.
I’m just scrolling through FA list, it seems like there are a ton of players on it. More than usual.
Erica
I hope Johnny comes back next year. I remember when he signed, a lot of Yankee fans and the Sox front office thought he would be washed up by now. 4yr contract was too long. He proved them wrong.
Erica – always OPPC
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
MaineYankee
I think it might be time to start scouting for a replacement.
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Replacement what?? Left fielder or pretend boyfriend??? (Don’t say both…) LOL
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To be safe I’ll just say LF.
Staten Island had a good night beating the Cal Ripkin Ironbirds.
Higashioka was 3-5 with 3 runs scored, 1 homer and 4 RBI. .273 avg
Luke Murton had another homer, a double and 2 hits with 4 RBI. .282 avg
Medchill had a a hit and 3 runs scored, a stolen base and two walks. .304 avg
Deangelo Mack was 2-5 with a run scored and 2 RBI. .300 avg
Facing the Yankees, a team he has historically struggled against, Buehrle was far from flawless. The southpaw was battered for seven runs and 12 hits in 4 1/3 innings as his struggles with New York continued. Sunday’s defeat lowered his record to 1-6 with a 6.84 ERA in nine career starts against them.
“It’s not like everyone is running to the bat rack to go face [Buehrle],” Derek Jeter said. “He knows what he’s doing when he’s pitching. He comes after you; he’s not going to walk you. He’s one of the best pitchers in our league, so I think it’s probably just coincidence.”
The Yankees took a 3-0 lead when Cabrera started his march with history in the second inning, depositing a three-run homer into the left-field bullpen.
“I wouldn’t say he’s one of those guys that sticks out like one of those guys that own me,” said Buehrle, who gave up three of Cabrera’s four hits. “I know Derek Jeter has gotten me pretty good, but other than that on that team, nobody really sticks out that’s gotten me that much.”
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3 pretty funny stuff from the mlb.com recap.
Trumpetman,
It is what it is. I got into plenty beefs over the winter when I argued that CC and Wang were basically the same pitcher as far as career wins/ERA.
But you can’t undo what’s done. So, no amount of whining by yourself and many others is going to change anything.
CC’s not going away. He’s a Yankee now, and you should cheer for him. And appreciate the good things he brings. No one is more disappointed in CC than himself, he’ll figure it out.
jennifer
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:41 pm
I’m just scrolling through FA list, it seems like there are a ton of players on it. More than usual.
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A lot of the guys on that list signed one year contracts right before the 2009 season started at low prices just to get signed. Names like Bobby Abreu, Manny Ramierez, Jason Varitek come to mind.
Then there are players listed that really stand no realistic chance of getting signed to any type of fruitful contract. Those would be guys like Eric Gagne, Bartolo Colon, Sal Fasano (who I have a softspot for cause he looks so much like Super Mario)
igotid88
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Are they going to skip Mitre’s start and have A.J. pitch on Thursday?
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I would say yes. But who knows?
Tarheelyank
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Erica
I hope Johnny comes back next year. I remember when he signed, a lot of Yankee fans and the Sox front office thought he would be washed up by now. 4yr contract was too long. He proved them wrong.
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I was the happiest girl in NY when that contract got signed. Seriously. As some of you may recall, that was the week of the 2005 MTA transit strike. Everyone was really pissy about it. I remember walking to work and smiling the whole way. LOL
Johnny has a grittiness as a player you don’t see very often. The man never went on the DL until he smashed his shoulder making a catch last July 4th. He is also a tremendous clubhouse leader. I think another year of Johnny in a reduced role would be a wonderful bonus to the team
randy l.
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
gb 7
i caught a bob cerv bp home run in batting practice barehanded and went over to show my father who promptly gave it this little neighbor kid who came along with us.
i was ticked off.
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LMAO. Did you beat the kid up and get it back? Cerv was a good power hitter and played center field with Jackie Jensen when DiMaggio didn’t. They played in center before Mantle did. Cerv was a fine ball player, though.
Matchups for Yankees-Red Sox series: Thursday Joba/Smoltz, Friday Burnett/Beckett, Saturday CC/Buchholz, Sunday Pettitte/Lester
Since both Randy and PAT M played ball, what would you have done and how would the clubhouse react to Greinke’s remarks in the paper about KC being the worst team he has played on?
Erica
I very much agree. I dont even think of him as ever wearing that other uniform. As much as he hurt the Yankees, that tells me lot.
Erica- I was so mad when the Yankees signed Johnny. I said to my friend that I would never like him. I’d want him to do well because he was a Yankee but not for him. LOL
Now I want the Yankees to resign him.
MaineYankee
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Erica – always OPPC
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
MaineYankee
I think it might be time to start scouting for a replacement.
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Replacement what?? Left fielder or pretend boyfriend??? (Don’t say both…) LOL
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To be safe I’ll just say LF.
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Coward. She can’t reach out and slap you. Sat what’s on your mind.
Think about it,the fee paid to just speak with Matsuzka,plus his huge contract,the RS has their own Pavano,situation.
Do you blame him for wanting out of Mass.The papers were brutal towards him.
***Say*** what’s on your mind
GB, Didn’t the Yanks reacquire in the early 60′s….I think he was one of only a few that hit a ball into the left centerfield bleachers…..457 feet, high wall, a very long way……
“Do you blame him for wanting out of Mass.The papers were brutal towards him.”
He deserved it.
It’s funny- but even when he wasn’t a Yankee, I somehow knew that one day Johnny Damon would be one. I would watch games with my family and tell them that and they would basically give me the same reaction that you would have given someone who posted that line on here in 2003. (That was when I first started saying it). My family called me a crazy moron for saying Johnny Damon would be a Yankee and they love me. LOL
GB7
I don’t want to spoil her fun for the rest of the season.
MaineYankee
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
GB7
I don’t want to spoil her fun for the rest of the season.
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LOL. It’s okay MaineYankee. Just imagine me growling at you and giving you scary looks.
I don’t want to offend Erica because, you know, Johnny is her BF.
But the only way I sign Damon for another year is as a bench player/DH type.
But I suspect he’d have bigger and better things in mind. The market, though, might have other plans in store for him.
m
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I don’t want to offend Erica because, you know, Johnny is her BF.
But the only way I sign Damon for another year is as a bench player/DH type.
But I suspect he’d have bigger and better things in mind. The market, though, might have other plans in store for him.
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Just wait until Johnny’s post season heroics. You all will be BEGGING for his return
And that’s right. I am making this bold claim on August 2nd
Dodgers GM Ned Colletti said yesterday that he expects to see a flurry of waiver deals by some contenders with the economy and falling attendance being the biggest factors.
The Dodgers never got in with Halladay or Lee deals.
Yes, Erica.
If there are any post-season heroics, it would be worth bringing him back as a reward for that!
Pat M….
August 2nd, 2009 at 8:56 pm
GB, Didn’t the Yanks reacquire in the early 60’s….I think he was one of only a few that hit a ball into the left centerfield bleachers…..457 feet, high wall, a very long way……
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Yeah, Cerv was originally Yankee, but sold to KC and NYY traded back for him for Andy Carey. Then he went to the Angels in the expansion draft and NYY traded Ryne Duren and Lee Thomas to get him back. That was a bad trade. Lee Thomas was a fine ball player, and hit for power and average. Later was the Phillies GM.
I like Damon. He plays hard and pressure doesn’t bother him. If the Yanks sign him for next year, where do you play him? He is a bad outfielder and won’t get better next year. As a part time DH?
GB7
What position did Thomas play? Was it first and was he a lefty?
GB, I just saw your question for my opinion on Greinke’s remark about his club……You have to wonder if he was speaking for several guys….It may have been directed to the guys who are just mailing in the season and simply going thru the motions……When the club’s best player expresses himself such as this it garnishes much attention……Rather than singling out certain individuls, he just made a blanket statements…..It wouldn’t bother me one bit if I knew guys were quitting on the club for the season……Takes some onions to lay it like that….
Bob Cerv is the answer to Erica’s question about 3 time Yankees.
He was sold to K.C in ’56
reacquired in ’60
Dardfted by the Angles in the 1960 expansion draft
then traded back to the Yankees in may of ’61
Rose
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I like Damon. He plays hard and pressure doesn’t bother him. If the Yanks sign him for next year, where do you play him? He is a bad outfielder and won’t get better next year. As a part time DH?
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Part time LF/DH. Definitely some power off the bench. Matsui will definitely be gone next year (I think everyone agrees on that). So that frees up the DH role a bit more
Tom in N.J.
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Bob Cerv is the answer to Erica’s question about 3 time Yankees.
He was sold to K.C in ‘56
reacquired in ‘60
Dardfted by the Angles in the 1960 expansion draft
then traded back to the Yankees in may of ‘61
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Good job with the trivia. So I guess there are some players that are just meant to wear Pinstripes no matter how many times you try to get rid of them. LOL
Not sure if Ian Snell will come up on waivers or not. He’s pretty cheap for Seattle, but, he’s pitching pretty well against Texas in texas. 4 innings and 1 hit (solo homer). 3 walks, 3 strikouts. They could do pretty well getting a couple of young players for him.
Erica
I know what role Damon can play next year.
Mascot.
MaineYankee
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Erica
I know what role Damon can play next year.
Mascot
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
May I say….. Woo Hoo Melky!
Completely random…..Seems like I’ve been catching lots of “look ins” on Cardinals games lately and haven’t noticed Pujols doing much lately. I would have thought Holliday would have helped but (small sample size of 10 games) the opposite is true so far.
I just looked up his stats since Holliday arrived and Albert is batting .200 with 0 HR, 7 BBs and 2 RBI.
Those numbers are the stuff HR Derby complaints are made of.
MaineYankee
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
GB7
What position did Thomas play? Was it first and was he a lefty?
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He played all outfield spots and first base. A left handed hitter. He hardly ever struck out. A top pinch hitter late in his career. 332 walks and 397 strikeouts in over 3300 at bats.
For the mobile site, is it the same URL as the regular web page site?
Erica-always OPPC
You are right, I forgot Matsui won’t be back next year.
Yanks should sign Damon.
Erica – always OPPC August 2nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Just wait until Johnny’s post season heroics. You all will be BEGGING for his return
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It doesn’t quite work that way.
Scott Brosius and Tino Martinez had two of the biggest hits in Yankee postseason history (2001 World Series) and neither returned the following season.
They need a stopgap for LF next season and then go hard after Carl Crawford after the 2010 season.
GB7
See what happens when I listen to you.
Pat M….
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm
GB, I just saw your question for my opinion on Greinke’s remark about his club……You have to wonder if he was speaking for several guys….It may have been directed to the guys who are just mailing in the season and simply going thru the motions……When the club’s best player expresses himself such as this it garnishes much attention……Rather than singling out certain individuls, he just made a blanket statements…..It wouldn’t bother me one bit if I knew guys were quitting on the club for the season……Takes some onions to lay it like that….
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I guess I’m overly sensative, because it would bother me. That would be something that should have been left to the manager or a more seasoned vet. I just thought it wasn’t something for the media.
MaineYankee
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm
GB7
See what happens when I listen to you.
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Yeah….Scary things happen.
GreenBeret7
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
MaineYankee
August 2nd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
GB7
What position did Thomas play? Was it first and was he a lefty?
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He played all outfield spots and first base. A left handed hitter. He hardly ever struck out. A top pinch hitter late in his career. 332 walks and 397 strikeouts in over 3300 at bats.
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I do remember him. Was a threat to put one out also.
Maine, that’s why I wasn’t stupid enough to say it myself. I leave tat for the suckers.
It’s amazing how many good hitters the Yanks used to control in their minors, especially given the fact that Weis wasn’t letting them sign the black players they were scouting.
One player that NYY could look at for the outfield and bench would be Matt Murton. Some speed, good power, good outfielder. Plays for Colorado, now, but, grew up a Cub. is younger brother Luke plays at staten Island after being drafted this year.
They yankees should at least take three out of four from the sox. Anything short of that is another failure, I don’t want to hear anymore excuses from this team about the Red Sox. Beat them because they suck, they onlt have two good pitchers on their staff.
How do you refresh this site on the iPhone?
sorry “only”
Scott Brosius retired after the 2001 World Series.
Pat about Pujols,some friends from ST louis just mentioned the same thing.
Astros won today,2-0,Pujols looked bad when at bat.
Is WFAN this stupid? I heard a fan say why didn’t the Yankees trade Austin Jackson for Jarred Washburn..and Adam the Bull agreed w/ him? DID I MISS SOMETHING?!? Really? Austin Jackson for Jarred Washburn? just the fact that Seattle wanted him should be enough to keep him, they are pissed they gave away Adam Jones, they wanted another young athletic potential power hitting CF and asked about Austin, shouldn’t that say something?
For some reason I think Doc is gonna make us wish we had traded for him on Tuesday night. I smell a typical Doc night, with all the moves the sox made I am pretty disappointed that the best we could do was Jerry Hairston. Just got back from weekend getaway Yanks lose 3 of 4 and get squat at the deadline
Has Pete told us yet what he’s going to do with his off-day once he arrives at Toronto’s Rance Mulliniks International Airport?
Figured out how to refresh and may I say the iPhone sucks for this site. The mobile site seems to have disappeared as well.
Brandon- Although trading Ajax would be silly, the fact that we need a fifth starter is glaring Mitre has been horrible.
“Is WFAN this stupid?”
No, I think they can get worse.
LOL. More good stuff from Al.
Halladay has always owned the Yanks and whatever happens on Tuesday isn’t going to have any affect on their decision not to gut the farm for him this past week.
WFAN is a trainwreck.
Joe what was just on the radio?
“Brandon- Although trading Ajax would be silly, the fact that we need a fifth starter is glaring Mitre has been horrible.”
Like I give a damn he’s at best a #4 SP, AJax isn’t just some garbage OF here.
Stupidest trade I ever heard on WFAN was a proposal, Joba Chamberlain AND Austin Jackson for Jake Peavy, and no the guy wasn’t kidding
Shifting gears here, but wanted people’s thoughts.
It’s obvious we need a starting pitcher. Cashman has stated that he thinks a trade in August will be possible for a player that clears waivers. Here’s the problem. Boston also needs a starter. Since they are behind us in the standings, and have the same need, what’s to stop them from blocking any potential waiver trade Cashman tries to make?
“Joe what was just on the radio?”
Brandon is the one listening, bless his soul.
Halladay hasn’t looked quite like his old self since the groin injury. Hopefully he he still won’t be quite his dominating self, and the offense of the Jays is even weaker now with Rolen gone.
“LOL. More good stuff from Al.
Halladay has always owned the Yanks and whatever happens on Tuesday isn’t going to have any affect on their decision not to gut the farm for him this past week.”
It’s always good to concede wins, I didn’t say we would lose just that he will be out to show us what we could have had that’s all.
Is it possible Adam the Bull has never heard of Austin Jackson, and is just spinning it to sound like he knows something? Stranger things have happened.
“Halladay hasn’t looked quite like his old self since the groin injury.”
Since the ASB, he’s thrown 25 innings and given up 5 ER. That’s pretty close to his old self.
Brandon,
I have one question for you…..
We all know listening to WFAN is about as deadly to brain cells as sniffing paint thinner in your garage for a couple of hours.
So why do you still listen to that crap?
“and have the same need, what’s to stop them from blocking any potential waiver trade Cashman tries to make?”
Nothing will stop them, Boston has us beat as far as waiver trades go. Cash needed to make a move last week, I think this is the team we are stuck with.
the Yankees actually have the best set of starters in MLB 1-4.
That’s all you need to win the World Series, #5 starters don’t get out of the bullpen in the postseason.
Just compare the Yankees-Sox at this point in time.
Beckett-CC: edge to Sox
Lester-AJ: slight edge to Yankees
Smoltz/Wakefield/Penny/Bucholz/BP Pitcher-Joba: big edge to Yankees
Whoever is left-Andy: edge to Yankees
The matchup with the Angels is similar. Regular season results don’t matter in the playoffs, if it did, the Yankees would have been to the WS in 2006 and 2007.
But be negative, enjoy your wasted venom…
“Brandon is the one listening, bless his soul.”
It’s a boring night it’s either that or sex, and I’d have to drive to her house, pay for the gas, lose sleep b/c once I start it’s addicting, and then I’d have to bath there and head straight to work. Lets not forget parking.
Austin Jackson projects as an average/mediocre hitter with line drive power, decent speed and a nice glove. He isn’t going to be Willy Mays, I’m just hoping for Mike Cameron
Damn I knew the Yankees were desperate for pitching but using Andy Tuesday and Wednesday that is just plain Nuts. I agree Joe G should be fired. LOL
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/probab.....p?c_id=nyy
“It’s a boring night it’s either that or sex, and I’d have to drive to her house, pay for the gas, lose sleep b/c once I start it’s addicting, and then I’d have to bath there and head straight to work. Lets not forget parking.”
Lol and I thought I was the only guy who faced those decisions
I’m going to miss getting daily updates about how Montero went 2-4 with a HR in AA.
“Lol and I thought I was the only guy who faced those decisions ”
Not an easy one to make on Sunday is it?
Al from BK August 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
It’s always good to concede wins, I didn’t say we would lose just that he will be out to show us what we could have had that’s all.
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That’s baloney. Halladay isn’t going to approach this start any different than he has in the past.
And everyone conceded a Yankee loss the last time they faced Halladay at the Stadium (Wang’s last start) and the outcome didn’t exactly turn out like people expected.
Based on his last few starts, Sandy Koufax was supposedly pitching for the ChiSox today and he got his ass handed to him.
Re: Boston blocking Yankee waiver claims.
Cash may have some insight into Boston’s financial situation. The problem with blocking someone on waivers is that you might get stuck with them and their salary. Remember, Cash got stuck with Jose Canseco in 200o in such a maneuver. As I remember, Torre was mighty upset that he had to lose another player on the roster, whom he wanted, to take Canseco. If Boston tries blocking, depeneding on who it is and how expensive, they may find themselves with a player and contract they don’t want.
Congrats Melky!!!!!!
melky gives us an everyday centerfielder.
hughes has been dominant in the pen…tbd as a starter.
kennedy got hurt.
still happy we didn’t make the johan trade.
“It’s a boring night it’s either that or sex, and I’d have to drive to her house, pay for the gas, lose sleep b/c once I start it’s addicting, and then I’d have to bath there and head straight to work. Lets not forget parking.”
Brandon, I was once there. I understand.
“melky gives us an everyday centerfielder.”
I think he’ll end up as a corner sub here or perhaps a FT LF ala Juan Rivera.
djsunyc- Considering Melky hitting for the cycle and Hughes turning on Beast mode in the bullpen I would have to agree
And you chose the FAN? Oookay.
“If Boston tries blocking, depeneding on who it is and how expensive, they may find themselves with a player and contract they don’t want”
Problem is they both need the same thing. Low end of the rotation pitching. I don’t know who will make it thru, but unless it’s someone who’s signed beyond this year, the Yankees may have a tough time seeing a pitcher get thru to them.
Manny’s walk up to the plate music in Atlanta – Huey Lewis
I want a new drug.
If Boston tries blocking, depeneding on who it is and how expensive, they may find themselves with a player and contract they don’t want.
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Like Bronson Arroyo or Barry Zito.
7 players/day with a 3 day window to put in a claim. You could put practically your entire active roster on waivers. GM’s have to be on their toes, knowing whose on the waiver wire each day.
Stupidest trade I ever heard on WFAN was a proposal, Joba Chamberlain AND Austin Jackson for Jake Peavy, and no the guy wasn’t kidding
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Yikes. Was it Steve the crazy Mets fan who came up with that proposal? Sometimes he has a few crazy thoughts for the Yankees.
“Like Bronson Arroyo or Barry Zito.”
Yeah, but those happen to be contracts the Yankees don’t want either.
The losing streak was an elaborate effort to lose the best record for better position in the waiver wire.
Angels are in front by 2 games in the loss column. Tied with Boston in the loss column, and Texas is 2 GB in said column.
Jake Peavy is one stretched or torn ligament away from going under the knife with his violent delivery! No thanks!
Because of this economy, teams just don’t block other teams from acquiring large salaried players like they once did.
Someone with a bad contract could very easily pass through waivers right now.
“And you chose the FAN? Oookay.”
Read my reasons. You’d understand unless your female.
“Yikes. Was it Steve the crazy Mets fan who came up with that proposal? Sometimes he has a few crazy thoughts for the Yankees.”
it’s sTevE tHe CoOkY mEts fAn
He’s only at Staten Island, but keep an eye on Arodys Vizcaino.
May be our highest ceiling prospect pitching wise in the system.
Dude has 48 k to 13 BB, and he’s just 18 y/o. Pitched five shut out tonight.
Yankee Trader- I think Peavy is done to be honest. He is a small guy with a max delivery, those guys don’t last long.
Boston may need another starter, but they’re not going to be as quick to dump Smoltz or Penny as the Yankees would be to drop Mitre.
They also aren’t going to take a reliever because they like their bullpen.
S.A.- Don’t think it was a regular, either way the guy claimed to be a Yankee fan and he wanted to throw in Melky as well he obviously had no idea what he was talking about. Peavy is very close to a career ending injury his delivery is not sound at all and he is nearing 30.
Some dude named Nolan Ryan was a max effort guy. He used to grunt on every pitch.
I think he turned out okay.
I think it would have been nice for us to get Heath Bell, but I guess they were asking too much.
Just think-
If the Yanks traded Melky last week, we would be missing out on the first Yankee cycle in almost 14 years!!!
Brandon,
Some things are worth the effort. The Fan is not one of them.
If Peavy is done, the White Sox are in deep trouble.
Peavy isn’t pitching right now anyway. The earliest they expect him back is August 15th though common thought seems to be not until September.
I tend to doubt that the White Sox would want to trade Peavy anyway, after they just got him.
“Some dude named Nolan Ryan was a max effort guy. He used to grunt on every pitch.
I think he turned out okay.”
Take a look at his injury history versus Peavy and get back to me. The guy threw over 300 innings on several occasions, it was a different era.
“I think it would have been nice for us to get Heath Bell, but I guess they were asking too much.”
You can say that again. Word is they were asking for Howie Kendrick and top prospect from the Angels.
Being reasonable the Padres were not (best said in a Yoda voice).
“Being reasonable the Padres were not (best said in a Yoda voice).”
I lol’d thanks for that
Why is Joe Torre bringing in relievers like its the 7th game of the world series when he’s up 8-0 with 2 outs in the 8th? I forgot how maddening this was.
Steve Phillips has to be the dumbest former baseball exec on the planet. I just flipped to ESPN after watching Entourage and heard this exchange about the trade deadline:
Phillips: guys like Arroyo, Garland, Harang, they were available and teams should have made a move for them.
Morgan: but all of them suck (I paraphrase) how would they help a team?
Phillips: they could help teams like Houston and the Brewers
Translation: I have no clue why I just said that but I’m getting paid a good salary to stir up the pot.
Idiot…
“He’s only at Staten Island, but keep an eye on Arodys Vizcaino.”
rebecca,
Vizcaino is enormously promising. After Montero and Jackson he may have had the most promising season of any yankee in the minors given the combination of his performance and talent. Banuelos and McCallister were also terrific – Banuelos especially – but Vizcaino may be on an entirely different level.
Last year what he did in the GCL as a 17 year old was very promising. It was a good sign that they brought him stateside as a 17 year old. But guys dominate the GCL all the time and just stall for various reasons.
That’s kind of what happened to Betances for example.
Vizcaino is very young even for short season ball – he won’t be 19 until november.
The best part of Vizcaino has been his control. He’s walking a little over 3 batters per 9 innings with a K:BB of close to 3.
That’s some very impressive stuff. He’s facing competition that’s much more advance than he is in SS ball. And he’s dominating.
He’s probably one of the organization’s five best prospects at this time.
If he stays healthy I could see him moving very fast over the next two years. He’s very good.
I just checked the Scranton stats and Igawa’s ERA is higher than every pitcher brought up by the Yankees this year, including Albadalejo and Ramirez. Mitre’s ERA at Scranton was almost 1.5 runs lower than Igawa.
Expecting him to be better than any of these guys is just ludicrous, he’ll just throw batting practice once again if he’s promoted for anything more than to take one for the team in a blow out.
al from Bk
going out on the limb saying you think Halladay will pitch good on tuesday.. That is a real newsflash. COnsidering Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball that would not exactly be shocking…….
Arroyo stinks and has a horrible contract only Harangs is as bad…Man the Reds looked like they turned the corner last year with Cueto and VOlquez and now things look quite bleak.
Cb
What is your take on AJAX? Uposide and where he will be nect may?
thanks…
SWB vs Pawtucket Monday on NESN, 7 PM eastern
Do you guys think Chamberlain’s delivery is more smooth then Peavy’s ? Because Peavy does have a funky delivery/mechanics.
I remember there was a group of peolple here led by Stuart I believe that were adamant about trading for Harung rather than signing AJ and then rather then resigning Andy Pettite…..I’m nor certain what happened to Harung as he had great potential…I did see him a few times vs. The Dodgers, and he looked real promising…..I think he needs out of Cincy to start with….Much like Brian Bannister needs out of KC…..
CB or anyone else…do you have any idea when teams start to put players on waivers and are they posted anywhere?
“I’m nor certain what happened to Harung as he had great potential”
Dusty Baker happened. I think last year, Dusty had him pitch on 2 days rest out of the pen, and he threw something like 63 pitches. I don’t think he’s been the same since.
CB: Wow, that’s good stuff.
RAB’s been saying to keep an eye on Vizcaino, and I’d done a bad job of it, but I looked it up…actually his totals now are 51 k to 15 BB, which is a K/BB over three.
He’s make nine starts and allowed ten earned runs, kind of like the run support Andy’s been getting.
I guess my only note of caution is that he’s allowed 8 unearned runs–potentially a sign of needing to work on pitching out of jams that aren’t his own creation.
Of course, when Carmen Angelini is your shortstop…
AJack is gonna be better than his numbers look this season. They’re spending the year shortening his swing, but he’s got great batspeed and the power’s gonna come.
Harang was on the DL for a month in 2008 but made 6 good starts in a row later in the season-he also pitched well early this season but has been awful recently. A change in scenary might work for him but he’s got a 4 year, $36.5M contract that he signed before the 2008 season. The Yankees aren’t going to take on that salary, not if they wanted KC to pay $650K of Bannister’s 2009 salary.
he signed that contract before the 2007 season, sorry, but he’s owed $11.5 prorated for the rest of 2009 and $12.5M in 2010. He’s untradeable in this economy, the Reds are stuck with him unless they pay almost all of his salary so they may as well keep pitching him every 5 days.
MG, I love Brain Bannister as a back of the rotation guy….He would have been the perfect fit, and not only for this season….CC, AJ, Joba, Phil & Bannister would have been a nice balanced rotation and on the young side……..I also have to comment on your frustration with that Matt character from yeaterday….It’s a fruitless endeavor when it comes to him…As I’ve told SJ on several occasions, you’re pissing in the wind MG….It’s a lost cause
Pat, I find it difficult to believe the Yankees passed on Bannister because of $650K, I have to assume they wanted a prospect the Yankees didn’t want to give up-after all, they must generate at least $10M for a single home playoff game between ticket sales and concessions.
I’m not frustrated with Matt and know he isn’t worth the time but appreciate your comments…
via chad jennings
“Kevin Whelan was hitting 96 mph on the gun last night.”
i had no idea he threw that hard..
There had to be something more to the Bannister talks than the Yanks scoffing at the idea of paying $600K on his contract.
The Royals probably just wanted more in prospects than the Yanks were willing to give up.
They chose to trade for Hairston and he’s earning more money than Bannister this season. He’s only a backup infielder/outfielder and Bannister would be their 4th/5th starter.
There has to be more to the story than the Yanks just refusing to $650K when the team desperately needed another rotation arm.
Giuseppe: I want to agree with you, but I find it hard to do so when the Yankees already have Pittsburgh paying Hinske’s contract.
That’s telling me that something’s not right.
Check out the post I did the other day.
http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....r-all.html
Typical Yankees. All they care about is their numbers. Melky desperate for a triple to complete his cycle and CC only worried about his ERA. No wonder we collapse every Autumn.
There’s this – but of course, I always believed that Cash did his best to acquire help. Some folks make it sound like he just sat on his hands playing tiddlywinks. I don’t know what’s up with Hal, but I sure wouldn’t be surprised to hear that the Royals wanted a ridiculous package.
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/.....p?t=392798
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Yankees GM Brian Cashman told Rosenthal that he was “very aggressive” going after pitching help, whether it be high-end starters, low-end starters, or relievers. “I was on all of it,” Cashman said.
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The Yankees were also “one of several clubs” to inquire about Felix Hernandez.
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Rosenthal says Heath Bell was their primary target among relievers, as the idea was to make him the primary setup man for Mariano Rivera, and possibly put Phil Hughes or Alfredo Aceves back into the rotation.
That is a really good post Rebecca
Erica: Thanks. Kind of disturbing. Probably nothing, but you never know. The Yankees are so tight-lipped about everything that you end up drawing these sorts of conclusions…
Rebecca,
We’ll have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks when someone of interest to the Yanks passes through waivers.
A bad contract that nobody wants would probably be the primary reason they nab someone between now and the end of the month.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 am
Erica: Thanks. Kind of disturbing. Probably nothing, but you never know. The Yankees are so tight-lipped about everything that you end up drawing these sorts of conclusions…
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That is true but two things are jumping into my head now
1) The Yankees were preaching fiscal responsibility and THEN signed Tex anyway. Everyone just assumed the Yanks were just doing what they always do, but maybe the Tex deal really was a line they didn’t want to cross but panicked at the thought of him going to Boston
2) Prior to the trade deadline, every quote from a source close to the Yankees said the Steinbrenners were never approached about increasing payroll. I don’t remember there ever being anything that resembled a payroll limit before. And again, no one took that seriously because they Yankees have never actually shown any regard for fiscal responsibility before
Anyone surprised or nervous that the Yankees haven’t signed their first rounder, Slade Heathcott? It would be devastating for, two years in a row, not to sign the top draft picks…
Probably nothing to worry about with Heathcott.
Most of the big name 1st rounders don’t get inked until the last few days before the deadline.
Is that true, GF? Ok, good…….by most accounts, it seems like he was a decent pick, so I’m looking forward to getting him into the system.
“That is true but two things are jumping into my head now
1) The Yankees were preaching fiscal responsibility and THEN signed Tex anyway. Everyone just assumed the Yanks were just doing what they always do, but maybe the Tex deal really was a line they didn’t want to cross but panicked at the thought of him going to Boston
2) Prior to the trade deadline, every quote from a source close to the Yankees said the Steinbrenners were never approached about increasing payroll. I don’t remember there ever being anything that resembled a payroll limit before. And again, no one took that seriously because they Yankees have never actually shown any regard for fiscal responsibility before”
These are very good points.
The Teixeira signing does seem, by more than a few accounts to have put the Yankees over a certain edge.
Again I’m drawn to a parallel of Ancien Regime France, where the aristocracy spends and spends without realizing the long term harm it will do.
Just the history chick in me speaking (again).
Betsy: Don’t worry about Heathcott unless he doesn’t sign after the deadline.
“The Royals probably just wanted more in prospects than the Yanks were willing to give up.”
I think that’s it for multiple reasons.
1. Teams always try to rip off the Yankees.
2. With Wang’s injury, Joba’s innings limits, Mitre in the rotation and then the arm tiredness of Aceves, people thought the Yankees were desperate for pitching.
3. With the Yanks missing the playoffs last year, the thought is they will do whatever it takes to make sure that doesn’t happen again, so, other teams held tight thinking the Yanks would just give in.
4. With Boston in talks with Halladay, Martinez and Gonzalez, the thought was the Yankees would respond, so, again let’s take advantage of them while they’re in their pissing match with Boston.
Betsy,
Yeah, that’s often the case with early round picks because the last few days before the deadline is when their agents have the most leverage to get their clients the most money.
I know Joba didn’t sign until the last minute and Boras did the same thing with Brackman.
Rebecca, no problem, lol – as if I don’t have other things to worry about.
Joe I, I think you hit the nail on the head.
From all the comments today,
1.) 27 outs in a game are all important and should be valued. 25 men on a roster are all important and should be valued.
2.) Hairston today set the tone on the first defensive play of the game for us. He made another nice play, and on a 3rd play, he got his body in front of the ball, knocked it down and got the guy out. These defensive plays were all plays Cody Ransom might have and probably would have booted. Not to mention the professional hitting of Hairston getting that big insurance run in.
Today, Hairston helped us win the game. That’s what you want out of a 25th man. In this case, 24th and final man.
Maybe Hairston will hurt us in a future game (like Cody did in nearly every game he played), but Hairston can actually help us win a game. Cody Ransom cannot do that. Im not saying who should replace him, but from the comments on here, Ajax could help the team. It’s Cashman’s responsiblity to provide a full 25 man roster.
3.) Yes, we are in first place, 21 games above .500 I think. That does not mean that this team cannot play infinitely better.
Having been treated fairly by the umpires for the most part this season (Angels series before the break and a couple games this series come to mind), it’s imperative not to throw away games not getting runners in from 3rd w. less than 2 outs in key situations, other mental mistakes, etc.
4.) Congrats Melky! I dont have to hear Kay mention Tony F. every week! But… did anybody see Melky out of the box watching the ball, not hustling.
One thing I will never do is confuse results with how the result was achieved. Melky could have been standing at 3rd base if he had hustled. That turned out to be a HUGE run.
Again I’m drawn to a parallel of Ancien Regime France, where the aristocracy spends and spends without realizing the long term harm it will do.
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Now, that’s the kind of reference that one doesn’t often read here. Nice! But even if they could spend more, if you can’t beat your competitors with a $60 million payroll advantage, it’s basically an admission of failure.
“These defensive plays were all plays Cody Ransom might have and probably would have booted.”
Not true. The first play would have just gone by him. Now, the second one, maybe Ransom gets a glove on, he boots the third one.
Joe I -
By booted, I meant not made the play simply.
Angels series and this series umpiring was also meant to say Umps were unfair.
“By booted, I meant not made the play simply.”
Ok, gotcha Jim.
Richie:
You must have not seen me around here all that often…
Sabathia should be more concerned about winning big games and actually being an ace. Helping this team win a world series instead of talking about holding a team down for 5 runs. His performance was pathetic and his performance so far has been subpar. Stop thinking about onion rings and be and Ace.
Trumpetman needs to say no to drugs.
And quit whining while you’re at it.
Fans like you make all Yankee fans sound like a bunch of jackasses.
I have a couple of issues with what you posted Pete.
1. Chad might be a good writer but I can care less about Shelley Duncan. That’s boring to me.
2. Mike Ashmore from Trenton Thunder is great too.
3. I’m not sure any papers are looking for big league writers because aren’t most newspapers in trouble? Maybe he could find a job at ESPN.
4. If anyone should get picked up by a big named newspaper, it should be you Pete because you are hands down the best at what you do. No one can compare. It’s not even close.
“Again I’m drawn to a parallel of Ancien Regime France, where the aristocracy spends and spends without realizing the long term harm it will do.”
Would that make Randy Levine the Talleyrand of the Yankees?
With all of these long term contracts the yankees are betting the farm on robust economic growth. Well, that or inflation.
I believe that across major league baseball teams have given out contracts totalling $300M past the year 2013. 40% of all those dollars promised past 2013 are related to contracts the yankees have given out (I believe 2013 is the cut of year…)
Between those contracts and debt servicing the stadium they must continue to expand their revenue base.
Well that was more than a couple, lol.
CB, Playing deep into the October nights will certaing expand the club’s revenue base…..
Hey no need for name calling. I’m just telling the truth, If you are the highest paid pitcher in the game right now then you should be dominating. No excuses. He is playing for the yankees not some stupid organization like the Royals or Indians. I know he is a good pitcher, and I might be going overboard but he needs to step up.
Does trumpetman actually realize that no one is really paying attention to what he is writing?
CB: Indeed, it’s possible, but wasn’t Talleyrand the one that actually understood they had to reform? Or was that someone else? My knowledge of Ancien Regime France isn’t quite the same as it is of Tudor England!
But more importantly here, I’m not sure that I like what it says that the Yankees, who have the league’s best attendance and by far the most successful of all the regional networks, still has to seek to expand its revenue base.
Empires have fallen because they grew too large to be sustainable.
Assyria, Rome, the Mongol, and I am sure there are others.
rebecca,
He was more a conniving political operative than visionary. I guess he had to be to survive the revolution. Thus the Levine comparison (old regime – boss George. New regime – Hal and Hank. I guess that’s lame…)
I guess this is the way the yankees are stratifying their risk – they are the crown jewel of baseball.
The only way they won’t make more money is if baseball doesn’t continue to grow as a whole.
It’s a tricky financial dynamic to make work.
But that’s true of most mature business at the top of their markets.
Trumpetman August 3rd, 2009 at 12:58 am
Hey no need for name calling. I’m just telling the truth, If you are the highest paid pitcher in the game right now then you should be dominating. No excuses. He is playing for the yankees not some stupid organization like the Royals or Indians. I know he is a good pitcher, and I might be going overboard but he needs to step up.
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Money doesn’t change a pitcher. More of it only makes them richer.
Sabathia’s numbers at the end of the season will be similar to his career averages.
Players don’t eliminate all of their weaknesses and improve their strengths simply because their paycheck is bigger.
Nice post, Rebecca, and interesting discussion (Erika + Betsy)
I guess my argument would be that in general, we assume that labor, or any asset, is an investment. The only reason any company would spend money on anything would be to invest. So obviously you say the yankees may be lacking investors. but i really don’t believe that they can’t get the credit they need. the yanks can’t get 400k in credit? i can get that, for x sakes. any one of us on this blog can go out and take out a loan for that price. credit crunch, shmedit crunch. maybe if you think it’s hard to get, then you’ll want it. remember that crazy story about big george cutting secretary salaries (or whatever it was, like cutting the flower budget or something nuts) right after he signed (all those big contracts)? why on earth would we want bannister or washburn anyway? we wouldn’t. they aren’t good pitchers. just because we have money doesn’t mean we are a charity. now halladay, that is a different story. halladay would have been the cheapest one of this years pickups, and he would have really increased the chances of a ws title. so why in gods name would htey stop there? just short, with only pennies in yankee money and prospects that they can’t develop properly anyway? and prospects who could shatter (sorry, “fracture”) their thumb the next day? well, first, maybe ricciardi is just a total dooshbag and had no intention of trading him at all, just dangling him out there to make himself (ricciardi) seem important for his last 5 seconds as a gm. but also, maybe it’s not really that great of an investment. maybe winning the ws doesn’t really increase revenue as much as we think.
CB: That’s quite the risk to take, isn’t it?
To assume that baseball will continue to grow even in an economy such as this (trite, I know).
Honestly, it’s like they’re setting themselves up for a disaster if it’s true.
The banks never thought the housing market would shrink…
Oops.
On a completley different note, Melky’s triple today, which got him the cycle, came on the 8th pitch of the at bat
Talleyrand made it all the way to the Congress of Vienna and beyond, no?
Anyway, I do not think the current Yankees are the Ancien Regime, though I nominate Hank for the role of Marie Antoinette.
I would caution against drawing too big of a conclusion from the particulars of the Eric Hinske deal. If Cashman can get an overpriced player’s former employee to pay part of his salary as a condition for taking him off their hands, that’s a good thing.
Nick: Indeed, by themselves neither the Hinske deal nor the Bannister non-deal are alarming.
When looked at together, however, along with other factors here and there, you do have to kind of go ‘hmm’ at least a little bit.
jw
I don’t care if you are paying attention to what I’m saying. I’m just have certain thoughts about CC’s performance. And I want to see this team do it’s best.
“Sabathia should be more concerned about winning big games and actually being an ace. Helping this team win a world series instead of talking about holding a team down for 5 runs. His performance was pathetic and his performance so far has been subpar. Stop thinking about onion rings and be and Ace.”
wow..you sir are just clueless…but onion rings are delicious
Sabathia has not pitched well against good teams. He stunk against the Rays in 2 games, stunk against the Red Sox, beaten silly by the Angels twice. These are teams that the yankees may have to face in the postseason. Throw in Sabathia’s spotty postseason record and thats pretty scary.
MMMMMMMM Onion Rings
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Cashman is talking to Sidney Ponson right now. He sure loves that guy.
That is if you believe the premise that it was money that kept the Yanks from getting Bannister and not some other factor
If I had to guess, I’d bet that the Yanks told the Royals they needed them to pick up for the full fee was to buy time because something better had come up, but didn’t end up getting done.
Nick: Again, this is true. But given what KC gave up to get Yuniesky Betancourt, my money, so to speak, is on the money.
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How am I clueless? Because I made a joke about Sabathia caring about onion rings then being an Ace. LOL
Well here’s a question: What’s his performance against the Red Sox, Angels, White Sox, basically the teams the yanks will face in the postseason. And here’s another question: Is Sabathia a good postseason pitcher (a big game pitcher)?
LOL ! I think we all know the answer to that question.
CC won a lot of big games while he was dragging the Brewers into the playoffs last year. It’s most likely that his post season failures of the last two years have been the result of the severe abuse he experienced during the last two regular seasons.
If this was purely a money issue, I don’t see why the Yanks would balk at paying Bannister’s contract to be their 4th/5th starter when they are paying all of Hairston’s contract (who earns more than Bannister) for a useful but limited utility player.
That just doesn’t make any sense.
There has to be more to it than that. My money is on the Royals’ asking price being too high.
So the New York Yankees wanted Brian Bannister and decided that acquiring him would enhance their chance of making the postseason but couldn’t/didn’t pull the trigger because they can’t afford to pay his salary?
I’m not on board. And don’t tell Chapman!
Giuseppe and Nick:
You guys have your points, I respect them.
At any rate, it’s not any one particular event or non event that has me concerned, but a pattern that seems to be a little odd.
I mean, the Yankees didn’t seem to have a problem in saying that they didn’t get Washburn because SEA wanted Austin Jackson. If the prospect price for Bannister was too high, why not say or at least leak who that prospect was/those prospect were.
(Don’t mind me if I’m not making any sense, it’s late and I haven’t slept well)
I read several places that the money issue was tied into the level of players the Yankees would be sending back in return…..Who ever KC wanted in return for that player The Royals would have to pick up a significant amount of Bannister’s contract…..So when Drayton Moore said no to the money, I guess the deal was off…..Money was an issue in the negotiations…..In Hairston case, Yanks took on his contract, but returned in exchange ziltch…..
“How am I clueless? Because I made a joke about Sabathia caring about onion rings then being an Ace. LOL”
only a truly clueless fool like yourself would even suggest something as silly as that..
I know the lunatic fringe of the Yankee fan base always like to compare the invincible and superhuman known as Josh Beckett to Sabathia in one single category but the truth of the matter is that Sabathia has had significantly better numbers between the two.
Sabathia has pitched 217 more innings than Beckett since 2003 and has the better ERA (3.47, 1.21 WHIP to 3.73, 1.21 WHIP) despite pitching against tougher competition in the AL for all but half of one season.
Think about that for a minute. Sabathia pitched in the tougher league, has better numbers, and has thrown an entire season’s worth of innings more than Beckett has during the same time span.
But misguided people tend to focus on such a small sample of October starts to judge their entire careers.
The fact of the matter is Sabathia has been the better pitcher. And it’s not really that close.
Mr. Franco, Add to that the fact that CC has won a Cy Young Award, and two consecutive Warren Spann Awards…..Nick in SF’s favorite, an award that goes to the best lefty in baseball……So you have Josh Beckett and you have CC Sabathia…..CC has yet to hit his stride, as he’s adjusting to life in Yankee Pinstripes…..
Indeed, Pat.
Wanna know the primary reason why Sabathia beat out Josh Beckett for the Cy Young in 2007?
The raw numbers were actually very similar but the biggest difference was that Sabathia threw 41 more innings than Beckett (241.0 IP to 200.2 IP).
+ 41.0 IP saves quite a bit of wear and tear on a team’s bullpen.
“That’s all they get!!!”
Truthiness
August 3rd, 2009 at 12:02 am
Typical Yankees. All they care about is their numbers. Melky desperate for a triple to complete his cycle and CC only worried about his ERA. No wonder we collapse every Autumn.
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maybe we should of held melky on 2nd so he didn’t get the cycle & if he just hit it a little softer maybe it hits the wall instead of going over.
darn.maybe next time.
I think SJ had brought this up, but if it was a $$$ issue, why was Cash so aggressive on all fronts? See the quotes I posted above – according to Cash, he tried to make a deal. It certainly is clear that the Ms asked for way too much from the Yankees (and took less from the Tigers… )…..starting off asking for Hughes or Montero is not a reasonable starting point for negotiations. They didn’t even return Cash’s call before they completed the deal with the Tigers, so not only is that rude and unprofessional, but it confirms my belief that the Ms did not want to trade Washburn to to the Yankees.
I don’t know what’s more frustrating, the Yankee tax (and the Indians demanded Phil for Cliff Lee before subserquently taking a nothing package) or the fact that Hal MAY have put the kibbosh on adding any payroll (penny wise, pound foolish). If the latter, then I question Hal as owner of this team because, although he spent a ton of $$$$ in the offseason, it would mean he failed to deal with the reality of a long season (ie: the problems that inevitably crop up).
Regardless, the Yankees are going to have to fill their holes from within……except they don’t have that ability to do so as they have zero pitching depth.
Boy…Michell got paid 30-mil for the Mitchell Report and he couldn’t even find these guys;
http://www.newsday.com/sports/.....-1.1344288
I wonder if MLB can get a refund…
Does anyone have any clue what pitchers might be tossed on waivers ???
It’s hard to know who might be placed on waivers, but it’s pretty to know who won’t be.
No one with a no-trade clause can be placed on waivers. Nor can and 10 & 5 guy — ten years in the majors, the last five with one team. So no Halladay, no Gil Meche
Look for guys with bad contracts who teams might just let go to get out from under the deal. Problem is some of those — Barry Zito, Vernon Wells, Alex Rios among others — have no trade clauses.
Cashman should get the best pitcher available that he can get through the waiver wire.
Preferably an innings eater that as a No. 5 starter can take pressure off the bullpen.
If Hairston hits better than Ransom which he does, fields better than Ransom which he does, runs better than Ransom which he does, why is Ransom still on the team? Can anyone answer that for me?
This is exactly how Im feeling. Yanks give AJ and CC all these millions of dollars and these guys are pretty much mediocre. They are not consistent out there on the mound. Seems to be a theme with the Yankees and free agents over the last 7 years.
“it’s unreal how mediocre CC has been this year. he’s the highest paid pitcher in history and he’s pitching like a number 3 or 4 starter. the type of money he’s making and the hype he had, for him to pitch the way he has this year is truly disappointing. the Yankees thought they were getting an ace, a stopper… i mean where is the guy we saw last year who was throwing complete game shutouts? The Yanks have a good bullpen so they don’t need CGs, but 7 or 8 shutout innings would be nice. So far, we haven’t seen any of that from CC. Yesterday I predicted he’d be mediocre, 4 or 5 runs in 7 innings, and I was dead on. the only reason he won is because our offense bailed him out. Any praise for CC today is misplaced. This guy was supposed to carry our staff and bottom line he has failed.”
One can only assume Ransom has amorous photos involving a major club official and livestock.
Would make more sense to have a potential power bat (Shelley Duncan) or defensive OF specialist than a second utility guy. I still think they should have jumped on one of the Andersons when they were on waivers.
Scranton has gotten good starts from a couple of journeymen the last two days. It may be that Mitre’s Wednesday start is a do-or-die situation.
Hey folks – long time poster with Newsday’s blog but they just changed their format so I hope you’ll welcome me over here.
Ransom’s safe until Gardner comes back (assuming Gardner is ready to return before rosters expand). He gets to stay around so that the Yankees can play Hairston in the OF and still have someone on the bench who can play infield.
As for waiver deals – unfortunately the guys who will get through to the Yankees (who have the last claim in the AL) are going to be overpriced or mediocre – I doubt even a Brian Bannister gets through – he doesn’t make enough money to prevent a team like Boston from putting in a claim on him.
86w183
No trades don’t stop a player from being placed on waivers. A no trade and 10/5 protection just give them the right to refuse to go where they are assigned without their approval.
Perhaps the Steinbrenners and Cashman wanted the players and front office personnel to relax and have a good laugh at the constant whining and ridiculous trade demands of the people on blogs and message boards.
Players witha NTC can be put on waivers:
” A player with a no-trade clause who is claimed on Major League waivers must be pulled back if the player’s no-trade clause allows him to block a deal to the claiming club. However, the player may waive the no-trade clause and join the claiming club.”
The NTC works the same with the waiver-wire as it does with regular, non-waiver, trades. The player can waive the NTC if he wants to.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.c.....ssary.html
“Would make more sense to have a potential power bat (Shelley Duncan) or defensive OF specialist than a second utility guy. I still think they should have jumped on one of the Andersons when they were on waivers.”
I agree with you about the Andersons, but not on Duncan – if we learned anything last year it’s that Shelley is not built to come off the bench and produce. He is a rythem hitter.
86w183
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:53 am
One can only assume Ransom has amorous photos involving a major club official and livestock.
Would make more sense to have a potential power bat (Shelley Duncan) or defensive OF specialist than a second utility guy. I still think they should have jumped on one of the Andersons when they were on waivers.
Scranton has gotten good starts from a couple of journeymen the last two days. It may be that Mitre’s Wednesday start is a do-or-die situation.
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The Yankees don’t have the first crack at picking up players on waivers. It goes to the worst to first records of teams in that league.
“Scranton has gotten good starts from a couple of journeymen the last two days”
Scranton also got good starts from Sergio Mitre…
Chip -
Your reasoning for why Ransom is still here is the best I’ve seen here. It seems to make sense, anyway.
Anyone see what Victor Martinez did for the Red Sox yesterday? Yes, it was against the Orioles, but, a career-high 5 hits. It also seems like “Yuck” is out of his slump.
I’ve always figured that this was going to be a back-and-forth run for the division, so I’m not overly upset that the lead is down to a half game. However, it is curious how the Yankees can play such crisp baseball and then such cr*p baseball in the span of a few games.
I guess they really did need the day off today.
Doreen -
I try to make sense once or twice a week – shame that I spent one of those opportunities on a Monday morning; doesn’t bode well for the rest of the week.
As long as we’re talking about the team taking fliers on pitchers – Mark Prior was just released by San Diego – sign him for the remainder of the season and next year as well and just let him rehab – maybe they catch some lightning with him. Though I doubt it.
I have more hope for Jason Hirsch the 27-year old the Yankees got from the Rox. He was a big prospect with Houston until he was traded for Jason Jennings a couple of years ago. Maybe getting out of Colorado Springs will help him bounce back to form?
And while I know this has nothing to do with the topic at hand – with Wang out until at least August of next season – I’m really hoping the Yankees make a hard play for Rich Harden this winter.
CC’s post season ERA: 7.92.
Yup.
That’s awesome.
The Melkman, love him, hate him, tolerate him, this year anyway, he has had a timely flair for the dramatic. He is better now than past, may he continue to progress.