Live video chat: Wednesday at 11 a.m.
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 03, 2009 
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Our next live video chat will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. from Toronto. We can talk about the road trip, the upcoming Red Sox series or whatever else you want.
Here is how it works: At 11, or shortly before, go to our ProTalkLive page and submit your questions to the moderator. I’ll answer as many as I can for 45 minutes or so.
These chats have been fun so join in and ask your question.
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Melky Cabrera hit for the cycle for the 15th time in franchise history on Sunday. Here are the others:
Three times: Bob Meusel (1921, 1922, 1928).
Two times: Lou Gehrig (1934, 1937); Joe DiMaggio (1937, 1948)
One time: Bert Daniels (1912), Tony Lazzeri (1932), Buddy Rosar (1940), Joe Gordon (1940), Mickey Mantle (1957), Bobby Murcer (1972), Tony Fernandez (1995)
Good for the Melk Man
These off days are killers. I just read an NBA free agents article.
Edinson Volquez out for a year. TJ surgery. Who will be Dusty Baker’s next victim?
So the matchup for the red sox series
Joba-Smoltz Thursday
Burnett-Beckett- Friday
CC- Bucholz Saturday
Andy- Lester- Sunday
Lets hope we can get the joba game and the CC game locked down and then hope to take one of the Burnett game or the Pettitte game
1) Dusty Baker should be banned from pitching staffs.
2) Daryl Strawberry AND Medieval Times jousting at tonight’s Cyclones game! http://bit.ly/vxRAZ
I got tickets two nights ago b/c my friend wants to go…had absolutely no idea that there’d be jousting. Medieval stuff and baseball and I am in utter heaven.
3) FWIW, Melky Cabrera has the third-highest batting average on the team and a better OBP than Jorge Posada.
Just sayin’.
Melky seems to be enjoying playing time with out GGBG right behind him…I wonder if his good play (offensively and defensively!) will have Joe rethinking the platoon once Gardner returns.
The best thing to happen to Melky last season was the demotion to AAA. Since then, he’s been a better player.
The best thing to happen to Cano last season was his benching. Since then he’s been a better player across the board.
I know all their fervent supporters will come in here and disagree, but the proof is there. Since the demotions and benching, which frankly needed to happen a lot sooner last season, these two players have their heads on straight and are big assets to the team.
I really felt one of the keys to the team struggles last season were the disappearance of these 2 players which turned the bottom of the lineup into a joke when Posada went out and Molina, Moeller and Pudge were catching.
“Edinson Volquez out for a year. TJ surgery. Who will be Dusty Baker’s next victim?”
Prove to me that it’s Dusty Baker’s fault Volquez needs Tommy John.
Posted this in the previous thread but Volquez threw 178 innings in the majors and minors in 2007.
Last year, his first with Dusty he threw 196 innings.
Sorry but I’m not seeing the correlation between Dusty Baker and Volquez need TJ surgery.
Volquez spent 1 year with Cincy and it’s not like he threw 300 innings with them.
Ray….pitch counts…its all about the pitch counts..
raymagnetic: Baker has an awful track record.
Wood, Prior, Harang…all on his watch. And now Cueto’s been crapping the bed too.
If it’s one pitcher, one time, you ignore it.
But there are too many here.
Having Melky and Cano performing back up to their capabilities this year has undoubtedly been a big part of why the team is so much better compared to ’08, especially offensively. I do think Melky benefitted from the challenge of his manhood with the demotion to AAA last year, as well as there being no guarantees for his role on the team this year with the emergence of Gardner (and I’m sure Melky had heard Austin Jackson’s name thrown around, too). That said I think Girardi will keep riding the hot hand, so if and when Gardner is ready, if Melky is slumping Brett will get a chance to play, and vice versa. Joe G. has not gotten enough credit, in my opinion, for how he has juggled the CF duo to much success all year, as well as how he has managed Matsui and kept his knees healthy and his bat productive.
I think that going down to the minors at the end of last season was the best thing that ever could have happened to Melky.
SJ, thanks for your answer – and you make good points. Are you concerned that it’s a streaky team or is that just the nature of baseball? The problem with being a streaky team (and let’s hope the Yankees have this problem) is that if you hit a bad patch in the playoffs, you’re done. Then again, that can be said of any team I suppose ……
Boy, I hope Burnett/Beckett turns out better than the last time, lol……
What a shame about Volquez……it’s scary to think that an player’s career could be in the hands of a manager who doesn’t take care of him. I hope he comes back and has a successful career.
“Edinson Volquez out for a year. TJ surgery. Who will be Dusty Baker’s next victim?”
We hear all the time about how the yankees are “babying” their young pitchers with innings limits/ pitch counts.
But you look at the carnage Dusty has left behind him, it’s hard to get over.
Same thing with the Blue Jays. They’ve destroyed arm after arm. Dustin McGowan should be a top 10 AL pitcher.
It’s easy focus on the innings limits and the problems they are creating while ignoring all the players whose careers are irrevocably altered by high work loads when they are young pros.
“2) Daryl Strawberry AND Medieval Times jousting at tonight’s Cyclones game! http://bit.ly/vxRAZ
I got tickets two nights ago b/c my friend wants to go…had absolutely no idea that there’d be jousting. Medieval stuff and baseball and I am in utter heaven.”
Darryl Strawberry & Jousting, wow. I’m not a big Medieval buff (more Napoleonic history buff). The only interesting time period I ever read about in the Medieval times was The Hundred Years War, but never focused on it too much. Have fun,though!
I know about Dusty Baker’s history with Prior and Wood but that doesn’t mean he ruined Volquez.
I just looked at Volquez’ pitch counts as well and there wasn’t anything too crazy in there. The most pitches he threw were 120 pitches and that was in September.
Can’t put that one on Dusty IMO.
O/T
Robinson Cano didn’t “disappear” last year. He had a terrible April.
Robinson Cano Batting Average Month by Month
May – .295
June – .287
July – .327
August – .290
September – .287
He batted .151 in April and that pretty much skewed his numbers for the year.
CB: Whose worse, Baker or the Jays?
Can some fault be laid at Cincinnati’s doorstep for not trying to do anything about it?
I guess you courld argue that the Jays have destroyed higher quality arms
“Prove to me that it’s Dusty Baker’s fault Volquez needs Tommy John.”
Jumping from 34.0 IP in Texas (2007) to 196.0 IP (2008) with the Reds seems to be a big jump.
I just checked out Harang’s pitch counts under Dusty and his pitch counts in previous years and nothing different there either.
Now Prior and Wood were throwing a ridiculous amount of pitches being so young but can’t say the same about Harang and Volquez.
“Jumping from 34.0 IP in Texas (2007) to 196.0 IP (2008) with the Reds seems to be a big jump”
He threw 178 innings in 2007 when you combine his minor league and major league innings.
The numbers say that Cano had a fine year minus April in 2008, but his statistical performance and his year-long approach were completely different things last year, especially when you watch him in 2009.
Last year he made tons of weak first-pitch outs, and got himself out way too frequently by chasing terrible pitches because he was in full-on hack mode. This year he has moments like that, but for the most part his selection at the plate has improved and if he is swinging at the first pitch he is usually putting a good swing on the ball.
People harp on his terrible numbers with RISP in 2009 but he has been light years better at the plate in terms of swinging at better pitches and not giving away at bats as willingly as he was in 2008.
Just google “2008 pitcher abuse points” and click on the first link. Note volquez also made a whopping
14 starts where he was made to throw 110-120 pitches (!)…in a season where the team went 74-88. What was the point?
Ride his ace so they can finish 23.5 games out instead of 26.5???
On a related note. Bruce Bochy is going to ruin Matt Cain. Maybe Lincecum will survive due to his unorthodox delivery
and at least this season they’re contending, but Bochy’s actions are also borderline inexcusable…they could be the
next Drysdale/Koufax, or the way Bochy is riding them the next Woods/Prior.
Ray-
Baker definitely ruined Volquez’s arm. In 4 of his first 9 starts last season he threw over 110 pitches, that’s too much, too early in the season. And then ending the season 5 of his last 6 starts were well in excess of 110 pitches. That’s far too much wear on an arm when your team isn’t in the playoff race and there’s no reason to be using him for that many pitches.
“I just looked at Volquez’ pitch counts as well and there wasn’t anything too crazy in there. The most pitches he threw were 120 pitches and that was in September.”
ray,
In September he threw 117, 119, and 121 in 3 straight starts when he reached his high in innings pitched. It was also a time when he went 5 straight games throwing at least 110 pitches. That’s not how you treat young arms when they’re reaching a career high in innings pitched. Baker also left him in to throw 118 pitches in a 9-0 game vs the Cubs earlier last season. If you still don’t think that’s abuse, then we’ll just agree to disagree.
“Robinson Cano didn’t “disappear” last year. He had a terrible April.”
I don’t know Ray. He was pretty weak most of the year. He’s a .336 career OBP guy. He was above that number during only one month last year. He only cleared .800 OPS only twice. Batting average didn’t tell the entire tale last year. He was way off on OBP and way, way off on slugging percentage. Still hasn’t been as good as he was in 2006, but I think that, like last year, was the exception rather than the rule, but he’s improved dramatically over last season.
These pitchers must be made of fine china according to some people around here.
bottom line: we need Jorge to start hitting…..
Ortiz says he’s innocent.
Says he didn’t use steroids, rather he must of tested positive for a overthecounter supplement.
http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....hole_.html
I have to say, I have more respect for Alex for coming relatively clean, instead of just outright lying and blaming supplement shakes.
New AccuScore for the Week of August 3rd out-
Yankees currently have an 80.7% chance of making the playoffs and a 55.4% chance of winning the division
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/ne.....;type=lgns
if you believe that, i have a bridge to sell you
“I just checked out Harang’s pitch counts under Dusty and his pitch counts in previous years and nothing different there either.”
Did you see that Harang threw 63 pitches in relief on 2 days rest (after throwing 103 pitches) under Dusty?
Volquez’s performance fell off last year, too, after the All-Star Break (4.60 ERA compared to one below 3 in the first half). To assume that Dusty had nothing to do with his arm blowing out is silly. As others have stated, he was extremely abused in early 2008 when Dusty was trying to get the Reds into contention (ridiculously); his arm was probably screwed up then but Volquez kept pitching (ineffectively), and now in 2009 he is looking forward to 2011 for when he can make it back to the majors effectively. It is truly amazing that Dusty continues to get managerial jobs in this day and age in the game, when so much is known about abusing pitchers and developing young arms and what not.
“Jumping from 34.0 IP in Texas (2007) to 196.0 IP (2008) with the Reds seems to be a big jump.”
Volquez also threw 144 minor league innings in 2007.
Wow #5 pick Wade Townsend was released by the Rays..8O
Dusty Baker and Bigelow Tea Torre needs to get in an a…kicking line.
dtv
Ortiz didn’t say that. The Daily News just wrote an alibi for him in case he wanted to use it.
Pete I wanted to thank you for donating to the Doug Flutie foundation. This program did wonders to my son who is diagnosed with autism.Its one of the best.
I can’t believe I’m going to say this but I agree with Roberts on the FAN. If Mitre has another bad outing Wednesday, I would give Igawa a shot. If he stinks again then they should be making a move anyway on the waiver wire.
Can’t believe I just said that.
Pat–
The NYD pieces is based on Ortiz prior alibi were he blames GNC supplements:
Ortiz had previously disclosed to the Herald, in 2007, that he wasn’t sure if he had unknowingly taken steroids in the Dominican Republic as a younger player. He said he stopped buying protein shakes because he couldn’t be sure what they contained.
“I don’t do that anymore because they don’t have the approval for that here, so I know that, so I’m off buying things at the GNC back in the Dominican Republic,” Ortiz said. “I don’t know if I drank something in my youth, not knowing it.”
Alan Horne made his 3rd rehab start at Tampa of the GCL.
5 innings, 1 hit, 0 runs, 3 walks, 3 strikeouts.
3 game total: 10.1 innings, 6 hits, 2 runs, 2 earned runs, 5 wlks, 12 strikeouts.
The bad news is…the 5 walks and when he sat down in the clubhouse to unbutton his shirt, he hurt his arm again.
you gotta assume boston is going to support ortiz’s over-the-counter supplement story
The problem with giving Igawa a shot is that:
1)He stinks against ML hitters
2)He’s not on the 40 man roster and
3)He stinks.
rs probably wrote that line for him
GB I already have quit Horne.
Laura – Release the list!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
The problem with giving Igawa a shot is that:
1)He stinks against ML hitters
2)He’s not on the 40 man roster and
3)He stinks.
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I can solve one problem easy. Move Nady to the 60 Day DL. Then you clear up a spot on the 40-man for the K-man.
The stinkiness is a little tougher to fix.
“1)He stinks against ML hitters
2)He’s not on the 40 man roster and
3)He stinks.”
Two of the three apply to Mitre. #2 can be remedied.
“I can solve one problem easy. Move Nady to the 60 Day DL. Then you clear up a spot on the 40-man for the K-man.
The stinkiness is a little tougher to fix.”
Yes. That’s why I mentioned it twice. LOL!
One of the highlights of lowlights of last year’s season was Dusty’s use of Volquez to get the Reds a “must win” extra innings game in May.
Volquez pitched on May 23 on his normal start day and went 6 innings and threw 92 pitches.
On May 25th the reds had an extra innings game. Dusty – because the reds had to win that game – brought Volquez into the game on one days rest.
Volquez threw 39 pitches in that game on one days rest.
The reds lost that game.
And even worse – he did nearly the same thing with Harang in that game. Harand started on May 22. Dusty brings him back on May 25 and throws him 4 innings.
The reds finished the year 74-88, second to last in the awful NL Central.
But Dusty gave it a go in may. Congrats to him.
For reference – Volquez was 17th in the pitcher abuse points stat baseball prospectus keeps. He was the third youngest player in the top 20 – only after Lincecum and Cain. And what the Giants did with those two – especially Lincecum was dumb as well. Lincecum threw so much because they wanted him to win the Cy Young.
Laura – Release the list!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
“I can solve one problem easy. Move Nady to the 60 Day DL. Then you clear up a spot on the 40-man for the K-man.
The stinkiness is a little tougher to fix.”
Yes. That’s why I mentioned it twice. LOL!
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CMW can also go to the 60-day DL.
Again, stinkiness is harder to fix
“The bad news is…the 5 walks and when he sat down in the clubhouse to unbutton his shirt, he hurt his arm again.”
He pulled a Pavano. God, I feel bad for the guy. We’ve just been hit with all these injuries in the minors; Montero, Horne, Kennedy,etc.
“Two of the three apply to Mitre. #2 can be remedied.”
True, Steve – but does Mitre stink as badly as Igawa? I haven’t seen Igawa pitch since his last stint in the majors and if memory serves, he was awful. The Mitre/Igawa situation to me is like a judge asking a guy on death row how he’d like the sentence carried out – lethal injection or the chair. Either way, you are screwed.
If you want to see how Dusty screwed up Volquez just check out his number of pitches in every game last year. Throwing 118 pitches as a rookie in a game where your team is leading by 6 in the 5th inning is poor managment of a young arm. Dusty kills pitchers.
To be fair Kennedy’s injury was a really freak thing, as was Montero’s. Horne is in another class altogether, the guy is constantly hurt. The Yankees have done a good job of acquiring a lot of talented young pitchers with really terrible injury profiles in their minor leagues (Christian Garcia, Betances, Horne, JB Cox who may be retired, to name a few). Seems like it’s a risk/reward scenario in some cases, but it also worries me that the Yankees are not good at getting young pitchers through the minors and healthy.
Jim Pir-one
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Christina25
August 3rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Pete I wanted to thank you for donating to the Doug Flutie foundation. This program did wonders to my son who is diagnosed with autism.Its one of the best.
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That’s excellent news about your son. No, not the fact that karma came around for your antagonistic Red Sox fan ways. The fact that the program did well for your son is wonderful.
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Jim, having an autistic son is not karmic retribution for being a red sox fan. What kind of person are you to even imply that???
Christina, I am very sorry that you have an austic son. I am glad the Foundation was there to offer you assistance
“On that note, does anyone else think that “at least a slight amount” of the money that goes to these Jimmy Fund, Doug Flutie, other Bostonian charities gets poured back into the Red Sox and Pats, Bruins or Celts.”
I’m very familiar with the Jimmy Fund and Flutie’s foundation and the answer in the case of those two is NO. Kind of a stupid question anyway. You think Posada’s foundation pours money into the Yankees?
“Jim, having an autistic son is not karmic retribution for being a red sox fan. What kind of person are you to even imply that???”
Jim’s sort of an asshat.
What if Igawa comes ups and throws a couple of good games as a crafty lefty? Then Cash looks like a genius for sticking with him as he overcame the cultural differences that took a little longer than usual.
Can’t hurt to try him for a game or two as they have a lot invested in him and he has pitched well at the AAA level.
Until someone becomes available on the waiver wire we don’t have much choice. We won’t get anyone on the waiver wire until Ped Sox pass us as they will block every move.
Just sayin
Speaking of pitchers, what’s up with Betances now? Haven’t heard anything in a while – he was supposed to be one of those “rising stars” through A ball….
Anyone else on the horizon, since AAA pitching is (putting it nicely) a bit thin right now?
Jim-
Two wrongs don’t make it right!
“Seems like it’s a risk/reward scenario in some cases, but it also worries me that the Yankees are not good at getting young pitchers through the minors and healthy.”
Add Brackman to that list. I think where the Yankees have typically drafted over the years puts them in a position of gambling on upside because no sure things exist when you’re picking #30. They gambled and won on Joba. You go one for ten on such gambles and that one is a Joba-type, then they’ve done well.
You know, I almost made a post today that essentially said “I’d rather have Igawa pitching instead of Mitre”
Then I looked at Igawa’s numbers in AAA. Not impressive.
Mitre is a major league pitcher. Not a good major league pitcher but at least he can get major leaguers out. Igawa can’t.
So the matchup for the red sox series
Joba-Smoltz Thursday
Burnett-Beckett- Friday
CC- Bucholz Saturday
Andy- Lester- Sunday
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I think it will be:
Burnett – Smoltz = Thursday
Sabathia – Beckett = Friday
Chamberlain – Bucholz = Saturday
Pettite – Lester = Sunday
If you want to see Volquez’s abuse just check out his starts from last year. (View them here http://bit.ly/370SgK) Here is just a sample of 3 consecutive games from EARLY in the season last year.
April 22nd, 2008
Volquez – 7 Innings 105 pitches and his team had a 7-1 lead in the 5th
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bo.....=280422117
April 27th, 2008
Volquez – 7 innings 103 Pitches and his team had an 8-0 lead in the 3rd
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bo.....=280427126
May 7, 2008
Volquez – 7 innings 118 Pitches and his team had a 7-0 lead in the 5th
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/bo.....=280507117
GB7 – Please tell me you’re joking about Alan Horne hurting his arm again. Some things aren’t fair.
Jim,
Doesn’t matter. Children don’t deserve any kind of ailment, condition, or disease.
Just saying.
Erica -
You’re right.
I didnt say it was good about her son. I said it was wonderful that the foundation helped her son.
CM (Joe Girardi=GI Joe)
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
“The bad news is…the 5 walks and when he sat down in the clubhouse to unbutton his shirt, he hurt his arm again.”
He pulled a Pavano. God, I feel bad for the guy. We’ve just been hit with all these injuries in the minors; Montero, Horne, Kennedy,etc.
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Well, Horne wasn’t actually hurt this time, but, it going to happen. He’s been on the DL at least 10 times since 2006. That doesn’t include having surgery after being drafted and before ever pitching.
L to the 2nd: Betances has been hurt.
If you want a pitcher to follow, Arodys Vizcaino may be the most high-ceiling guy we have. He’s with SI.
“They gambled and won on Joba. You go one for ten on such gambles and that one is a Joba-type, then they’ve done well.”
Yeah definitely agree with relating their drafting position and their approach in terms of risk; it’s just frustrating to follow the minors and see so many guys come up lame after showing flashes of having what it takes to get to the majors. And yes the organization is still producing good major league arms in spite of all the risk-taking, but the road is littered with a whole lot of other guys that “could have been” and seemed like they were on their way. Thankfully there has been Joba and Hughes and I still think Kennedy has a shot to bounce back in 2010 and work in the back of the rotation.
Betances has been out for a long time, I read somewhere that he’s getting TJ surgery. Not sure how accurate that is, the Yankees are very secretive of minor league injuries.
“Thanks Steve,…”
Just calling ‘em as I see ‘em.
The notion that charitable foundations funnell cash to professional sports team is your dumbest suggestion yet…and that’s saying something.
“A few weeks after 9/11/01, I was in Boston. During my time there, I heard many people laugh about what happened, saying that New York was deserving of what they got because of their arrogance. I refuse to ever step foot in that state again.”
I’m sure there were idiots like that, but I don’t think it’s fair to project that across all Boston fans. I remember Fenway Park singing “New York, New York” in one of the first games back after 9/11.
Betances isn’t scheduled for ligament transplant as of yet. He’s trying to rehab his arm, but, most people feel it’s going to happen and thought he should get it over with and get his arm straight.
The previous cycles are pretty interesting. I always thought of hitting for the cycle as a flukey thing that almost any player might accomplish if the chips fall right. Yet if you look at those previous Yankee cycles – especially the multiple cycles by one player – it’s striking how many of them were by superior hitters. It almost makes you believe in a cosmic element to baseball, where all the near misses and cheap hits and stolen chances really do somehow even out so that the best players are the ones who end up with those little feathers in their caps, like hitting for the cycle. Almost.
How many times has a player hit 4 triples in a game?
4 hrs?
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
L to the 2nd: Betances has been hurt.
If you want a pitcher to follow, Arodys Vizcaino may be the most high-ceiling guy we have. He’s with SI.
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You can add Manny Banuelos to that, who just turned 18 and is 1 level above Vizcaino. All he needs is a growth spurt that’s sure to come. He’s 5’10″ and 155 pounds. Along the lines of Ron Guidry.
Mike Cameron hit 4 home runs against Chicago as a member of the Mariners in 2002.
Let me explain why Joba is going to stay in the rotation for the remainder of the season, innings limit or not. Here are the points that the Yankees are considering:
1. What message does it send to the rest of the team if the #3 starter isn’t being used because of an abitrary innings limit.
2. How much revenue will the Yankees sacrifice by missing the playoffs and/or World Series?
There is clearly a correlation between huge jumps in innings for young pitchers (like Volquez, who went from 40 to 196 innings), I don’t think there is as much correlation between pitching 100 or 110 innings (which Joba has done for the past 2 seasons) and jumping to 160-170, which is about where he’ll be at the end of the regular season. So it’s an arbitrary increase and the Yankees won’t be able to justify telling Jeter, Arod, Mo, Damon, Posada, Pettitte, CC and AJ that they pulled him and reduced the chances of winning this year because they are concerned about a potential injury.
At the end of the day Joba will stay in the rotation. They will try to limit the number of innings if they can, but, if it’s a pennant race, he will pitch in turn, you can count on it.
Andrew
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Mike Cameron hit 4 home runs against Chicago as a member of the Mariners in 2002.
Gehrig did it too. twice maybe???
My 19-year-old daughter is autistic, as well.
How anyone can make an attempt at a bad joke about “karma” and a devastating disorder to a child is beyond tasteless.
Back when I had my daughter, autism was not diagnosed nearly as much as it is today. In fact, her original diagnosis, PDD-NOS, was specifically told to us NOT to be autism. Today it is considered to be an Autism Spectrum Disorder. I try not to get disheartened because our approach with her may have been different; in spite of the fact that she was in early intervention programs in pre-school, specific therapies for autism were not part of her particular program.
The other thing about autism is that it is fairly rare among girls.
My husband and I pray every day that the Lord keeps us healthy enough to provide and care for our daughter for her entire life.
I cannot even begin to tell you the emotional toll that this disorder takes. And as a mother of such a child, you have no idea how much you beat yourself up trying to figure out what you did “wrong.” Outsiders suggesting that there is a karmic reason – wow!
Christina25,
I wish you the best with your son.
Uncle Ellsworth (turn off your mind relax and float downstream)
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
How many times has a player hit 4 triples in a game?
4 hrs?
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Uncle E-
There have been 4 players in the AL and 8 in the NL that hot 4 HRs in a game
There was only 1 player in the NL that ever hit 4 triples in a game. That was Bill Joyce 5/18/1897
15 guys have hit 4 homers in a game. Nobody twice.
Last to do it was Carlos Delgado ’03. Shawn Green and Mike Cameron did it in the same month in May 2002.
15 guys have hit 4 homers in a game. Nobody twice.
Last to do it was Carlos Delgado ’03. Shawn Green and Mike Cameron did it in the same month in May 2002.
Since the modern era (1901), the record is 3 triples in a game. I’d put the four homer games at 12.
About a week ago I posted that Melky had a high upside, and I took some abuse for that. He now is batting from his best side (LH) and his routine worst side (RH) now that Gardner is out. Surprise, he is hitting well. IMO, he has a real potential to be a 30 HR, 100 RBI, 20 SB & .300+ BA as well as being a switch hitter and a good glove with a great arm. To me that is very good for a CF or even a corner OF of which he can play.
Erica – always OPPC
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Laura – Release the list!!!
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
The problem with giving Igawa a shot is that:
1)He stinks against ML hitters
2)He’s not on the 40 man roster and
3)He stinks.
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I can solve one problem easy. Move Nady to the 60 Day DL. Then you clear up a spot on the 40-man for the K-man.
The stinkiness is a little tougher to fix.
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Igawa’s ERA at Scranton is almost 1.50 runs HIGHER than Mitre’s when he was rehabbing.
How can Igawa be the answer for Mitre sucking if he doesn’t pitch nearly as well as Mitre at AAA?
Uncle Ellsworth (turn off your mind relax and float downstream)
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Andrew
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Mike Cameron hit 4 home runs against Chicago as a member of the Mariners in 2002.
Gehrig did it too. twice maybe???
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Lou Gerhig did it once. 6/3/32
(PS- those stats were all for 9 inning games only. Extra innings changes everything)
Hey guys, question:
Tonight’s medieval night at the Cyclones game. Should I wear my corset to the game?
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Hey guys, question:
Tonight’s medieval night at the Cyclones game. Should I wear my corset to the game?
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Not just the game. you should wear it everywhere!
“Lou Gerhig did it once. 6/3/32″
Lazzeri hit for the cycle in the same game. How’s that for a day at the ball yard?
I’d take the less rare 3 HR game over a Cycle.
Double tripe HR plus one more of the above or 4 extra base hits better than cycle too.
or 4 doubles.
Rebecca -
Just leave the swords at home!
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Hey guys, question:
Tonight’s medieval night at the Cyclones game. Should I wear my corset to the game?
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Given that time and era of women’s wearing apparrel, I’d sugest another more important item, but, don’t let your boyfriend lose the key.
No, not the fact that karma came around for your antagonistic Red Sox fan ways.
That was not a nice thing to say. First of all before my son was diagnosed I didnt have much interest in baseball.Coming in the US from a country where baseball doesnt exist I had no idea what baseball was about. In fact because of his interest in baseball and the Red Sox, I started paying more attention and became a big fan. My son even though he is autistic understands baseball very well. His memory is so strong that he is able to recall games that were played couple years ago, who had hits in what inning, how many strikes they had before they hit. You may think that karma got to me because of my ways but I wouldnt change him for the world.
Depending on the game situation, the 2HR game is more productive than hitting for the cycle.
But hitting for the cycle is just cool.
Jim Pir-one
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Steve B -
Perhaps, but the shadiness of charities has always been questioned.
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I am not sure why you think that. I am a CPA and I do audit work on charities and foundations. All of them need to file something called a Form 990 with the IRS. This lists out all donors who give over $5,000, as well as expenses of the foundation by category. Additionally, all directors of the Foundation and trustees and any relationships they have with other registered organizations. All compensation they receive must also be listed.
I can assure you- if anything shady was going on, the IRS immediately sends letters
“I also think donating to charities is great. That’s why Mr. Steinbrenner donating to Boston’s Jimmy Fund shows what kind of man he is. I just wonder how much actually goes where it’s supposed to go.”
I’m sure Steinbrenner contributed handsomely to the Jorge Posada Foundation and Torre’s Safe at Home Foundation. You have doubts about where that money goes too?
“IMO, he has a real potential to be a 30 HR, 100 RBI, 20 SB & .300+ BA as well as being a switch hitter and a good glove with a great arm.”
I would not get too carried away with Melky. His career so far has seen him show that he COULD put up those kind of numbers, but it has also shown that he can’t hit consistently enough over a full season to post those kinds of lines. Plus he will most likely be hitting at the bottom of the order for the forseeable future with the Yanks, and it’s not easy to get 100 RBI hitting 8th or 9th every day (Scott Brosius in 1998 notwithstanding).
He has been great this year, but I don’t think he is a future superstar that averages .300/20/100 and I don’t think anyone with the Yankees expects that. His assets are his defense and his strength hitting at the bottom of the order.
Doreen cycle is cool.
But what if the only run produced is from a solo HR no other rbi no other runs scored on the other 3 hits? In that case I’d take a 4 single day with say 4 rbi and 3 runs scored.
I’ll be happy if Cabrera gets to 15 homers, 70 RBI and 10 steals with a .290 average. His chances of becoming a 30 homer/100 RBI a year hitter are slim and none.
Uncle E -
That’s why I said 2 HR day is better from a production standpoint, or as, you say, 4 singles that actually drive in runs.
But hitting for the cycle is a cool thing standing on its own – better if your cycle includes rbi – Melky had a 3 run HR and he scored off the triple, I don’t recall what the double and single did.
The yankees should go after Gil Meche he is going to be put on waivers. He is getting close to returning from the dl.
Before last season (2008), Joe Sheahan wrote this about Melky:
“When you look at Cabrera’s body, his established control of the strike zone, and his ability to hold his own at a young age, you recognize that all it’s going to take is for him to start elevating the ball. Cabrera may not get there in 2008, but he’s going to pop 80 extra-base hits and slug .500 in a season very, very soon.”
Are we begining to see the ‘very, very, soon’?
http://www.baseballprospectus......cleid=7053
Pretty sure Melky’s single was an RBI single that knocked Buehrle out of the game. So he was productive all the way around yesterday–in his case, the cycle was a main reason why the Yankees won.
Ughly.
Homer, walk, triple, walk, triple. It’s ovah. It is ovah.
For those interested, YES is re-airing the game and Melky’s about to hit for the cycle again
“The yankees should go after Gil Meche he is going to be put on waivers. He is getting close to returning from the dl”
There’s 24 million reasons why they shouldn’t.
Uncle E -
That’s why I said 2 HR day is better from a production standpoint, or as, you say, 4 singles that actually drive in runs.
But hitting for the cycle is a cool thing standing on its own – better if your cycle includes rbi – Melky had a 3 run HR and he scored off the triple, I don’t recall what the double and single did.
I think the single plated a run and no kick on the double.
I agree with you just sayin you can hit for a cycle and still not look at as a great day if don’t you help the team win. Melky has no worries there.
What s the most RBI Jeter has had in a game. Anyone?
Meche also has a chronic back problem, on top of dealing with shoulder fatigue/shoulder problems all year long. The guy is the walking wounded. Whenever he was feeling healthy he pitched great for KC this year, but that was mixed in with a lot of nights where he got shellacked. And, you add that to the contract and he is not appealing at all.
Steve B
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
“The yankees should go after Gil Meche he is going to be put on waivers. He is getting close to returning from the dl”
There’s 24 million reasons why they shouldn’t.
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You could still work that out KC would have to pay some of the money left on his contract.
Hopefully Friedrich Air Conditioning is sponsoring!!
Heyman was saying that the yanks were looking at Bronson Arroyo. He has a 5.10 era in the national league. He would be a disaster if he came back to the al east. I rather bring up Kei Igawa.
Rebecca–Optimist Prime–Montero Fanaticus Primus
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
For those interested, YES is re-airing the game and Melky’s about to hit for the cycle again
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No lie- I got in my car (with no game knowledge) at the precise moment Melky hit the triple. I noticed Sterling sounded more excited than usual when he was going for three.
When Sterling had said that Lemky had just hit for the cycle I almost smashed my car and I got goosebumps
You can’t move Nady to the 60 day DL because they already moved him there to make room for Hairston. They also moved Wang to the 60 day DL so they could bring up Shelley for a day so they need to DFA somebody (most likely Cody Ransom, Sheelley, Mitre or Kevin Cash) if they want to put Igawa on the roster. They also need to make room on the 25 man roster for Marte soon. If the don’t make a waiver deal for a pitcher and Mitre continues to pitch poorly I’d expect Ace or Coke to move to the rotatation when Marte returns.
I think in 2007 Alex had a solo, a 2run hr and a 3run hr in one game and came up with the bases loaded but did not get the hr cycle.
Jim:
If you continue to speak ill of a charity that assists children with cancer, you will be banned from commenting here. What kind of deranged person are you? A baseball rivalry could not be more meaningless when compared to sick kids. You are a twisted, twisted person. Get a grip.
Uncle Ellsworth (turn off your mind relax and float downstream)
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I think in 2007 Alex had a solo, a 2run hr and a 3run hr in one game and came up with the bases loaded but did not get the hr cycle.
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Was that A-Rod’s 10 RBI game??
I can’t find most RBI by Jeter in a game…
per MLBTR:
Some players who could clear waivers:
•Jon Garland, Doug Davis, Gil Meche, Alex Rios, Carl Pavano, Mark Hendrickson, Jhonny Peralta, Jamey Carroll, Ron Villone.
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you know Cashman would definitely put a claim on Rios. Carroll would be okay.
Thanks Pete. I will heed the warning. I apologize if my opinions are offensive.
I was questioning the deranged way in which the Red Sox organization is run, rather than the charity itself.
The way they treated Remy’s son and the other kid is shameful and twisted.
Uncle that was the game a few years ago against the Angels with Bartolo Colon pitching. Sort of sad we missed him because he was put on the DL just before we arrived in Chi town this weekend.
It was the 10RBI game one RBI shy of the other Yes trivia question most Yankee RBI on one game Tony Lazarrrio
Was that A-Rod’s 10 RBI game??
yes I think, I was at the game it was in spring.
Thanks for checking on Jeter.
BTW saw Sir Paul in DC on Sat. Was Awesome!
Lets Claim Hot Carl…..
j/k
Jim: You certainly are offensive. You suggested that teams in Boston steal money from children’s charity. Please go post somewhere else. I think most people here would rather not associate with somebody like you. Enough is enough. Trying to stop people from donating money to sick children is a crime.
“you know Cashman would definitely put a claim on Rios.”
You think? 6 years of that?
Doreen
August 3rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Everytime I read your posts I see you are a classy person! I wish you the very best! I also hope a cure is found soon and the stem cell research is bring great hope as well. My prayers are with you!
The only way that the Yankees can put in a waiver claim is to have an empty spot on the 40 man roster to park somebody. They’d then have to demote a player on the 25 man roster to add that player.
Congrats again to Melky. He’s on a list of greats.
GreenBeret7
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
The only way that the Yankees can put in a waiver claim is to have an empty spot on the 40 man roster to park somebody. They’d then have to demote a player on the 25 man roster to add that player.
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CMW and Nady can easily go on the 60 day DL. As far as a player to be demoted… paging Cody Ransom. Ransom…..
I dont want anyone to think that I meant donating is bad.
Donating is great.
The only way that the Yankees can put in a waiver claim is to have an empty spot on the 40 man roster to park somebody. They’d then have to demote a player on the 25 man roster to add that player.
Agreed,
Its easier said than done for the Yanks to go out an Add someone of significance of the waiver wire… Hands are tied… I suppose this is the kind of depth you get when you decide to give roughly 90 million dollars to the likes of Igawa and Pavano….
Yikes
Erica,
Ransom wouldnt be demoted, he would be DFA or flat out release.
Garland’s about the only appealing possibility I can see from the list right now – based on performance and/or $$$ owed
People forget how young Melky still is. He’s younger than Gardner and some of the other rookies this year.
Ed – Melky for the win!
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Erica,
Ransom wouldnt be demoted, he would be DFA or flat out release.
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I can handle that. Wasn’t sure if they still had options on him or not.
Ransom is toast as soon as Gardner is back or the Yanks feel the need to add another pitcher (Marte?), whichever comes first.
Erica,
Wang and Nady are already on the 60 day DL. You need to dfa somebody else to make a move. Ransom or Mitre are reaonable choices.
Erica, nope Ransom have no more options.
“Jon Garland, Doug Davis, Gil Meche, Alex Rios, Carl Pavano, Mark Hendrickson, Jhonny Peralta, Jamey Carroll, Ron Villone.”
Of those players I’d take a shot on Garland, Meche or Pavano (lol yes, seriously)
Forgive me, but I’ve been thinking of good HR calls Sterling could use on Jerry Hairston, Jr….what about “so and so….coughs up a hairball”?
I know, it’s terrible, but my friends are getting a kick out of it, lol
I was away all weekend.
What was the reaction here to the Joey Jr. trade?
I know Hinski may not be too happy but how about Y’all?
After all that has gone on with Pavano and the Yankees, and all the things he said, there is no way the Yankees would even give him a thought.
Yankees 40 man roster, via mlb.com, lists both Nady and Wang as being on the 15 day dl.
http://www.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=nyy
Erica – always OPPC
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
GreenBeret7
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
The only way that the Yankees can put in a waiver claim is to have an empty spot on the 40 man roster to park somebody. They’d then have to demote a player on the 25 man roster to add that player.
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CMW and Nady can easily go on the 60 day DL. As far as a player to be demoted… paging Cody Ransom. Ransom…..
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Yes, just checked the roster and so far, they’re still on the 15 day DL. I believe that garcia and Cash can also be added to the 60 day.
Top 50 prospects have been revised & released:
Some interesting notes:
NYY: Montero #12 (really?), Jackson #23
NYM: Mejia #46
BOS: Anderson #32 (REALLY?), Kelly #37, Bowden #41
BAL & TEX with 2 in Top 10 each
betsy
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Forgive me, but I’ve been thinking of good HR calls Sterling could use on Jerry Hairston, Jr….what about “so and so….coughs up a hairball”?
I know, it’s terrible, but my friends are getting a kick out of it, lol
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Betsy, get rid of your friends. They are sick.
rm
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Erica,
Wang and Nady are already on the 60 day DL. You need to dfa somebody else to make a move. Ransom or Mitre are reaonable choices.
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According you Yankees.com they are still on the 40 man on the 15 day DL. I checked before my post
Yankees 40 man roster, via mlb.com, lists both Nady and Wang as being on the 15 day dl.
http://www.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=nyy
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That list also shows Christian Garcia on the 40 man roster. He recently underwent TJ surgery and could be moved to the 60 day DL to open a spot if needed.
LOL – again w/the “Ransom has no options” nonsense.
Who cares? No MLB team is going to claim him. He’s 33-years-old, strikes out nearly 33% of the time, has an OPS of .585, has a career minor league batting avg of .242…
CAREER MINOR LEAGUE BATTING AVERAGE OF .242!!!!
Think about that.
Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can here me.
August 3rd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
LOL – again w/the “Ransom has no options” nonsense.
Who cares? No MLB team is going to claim him. He’s 33-years-old, strikes out nearly 33% of the time, has an OPS of .585, has a career minor league batting avg of .242…
CAREER MINOR LEAGUE BATTING AVERAGE OF .242!!!!
Think about that.
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No need to yell jeez-
No one is saying he is the team MVP. We are discussing the best way to get him off the 25 man. LOL
L to the 2nd:
That list is one that guy Mayo at milb.com put together. I buy more into BA’s.
Thank you to all people for your good wishes.Jim I hope one day nobody from your family has to face cancer or any other devastating disease because you are going to regret saying those things.
Cant wait till Gardner gets back then the yanks can finally rid themselves from Cody Ransom. Hopefully Gardner makes it back before September, so they would be forced to DFA Ransom.
Its not like it would kill the Yankee organization to lose Ransom even if he were to be picked up. He isn’t exactly a game changer.
Tom, That link is incorrect. If you count the names you will see there ar 42 players on the list. CMW was moved to the 60 day dl to make room for Shelley and Nady was moved to make room for Hairston. Wikipedia does a remarakably good job keeping track of the Yankees 40 man poster moves
There are plenty of 40 man roster moves the Yanks can make if they need to.
Ellsworth,
I like the Hairston trade but keeping Ransom on the roster is really perplexing. Hairston can basically play anywhere in the infield or outfield, there is no need for Ransom. It looks like Hinske will mainly be used to spell Damon or Swisher. Hairson can cover for A-rod, Jeter, Cabrera, Cano. Ransom has no role on this team, he is a terrible player.
I’d prefer Duncan over Cabrera, at least he can pinch hit and get an occasional start vs lefties.
“After all that has gone on with Pavano and the Yankees, and all the things he said, there is no way the Yankees would even give him a thought.”
If they were smart, they would.
Betsy,
” “so and so….coughs up a hairball”? ”
Thanks! After a tough day at work I needed a good laugh. That’s excellent!
sure there are better things than the cycle. 3 HR games, 2 doubles and HR, etc. heck, even 1 for 4, if that 1 was a grand salami…
at the same time, for a pitcher, what about a complete game shutout vs a no-hitter where run(s) is/are given up due to errors? same deal. a CGSO doesn’t get as much publicity, but a no-hitter puts you in history books.
that said, i was so freaking happy for the melk yesterday
GB
Earlier you said you’be happy if Melky hit .290 with 15 HR & 10 SBs, but he is basically doing better than that now. Even though he has played in 99 games quite a few were only as a defensive replacement. I believe if he played full-time and got to utilize his best hitting swing (Left-Handed) more especially in Yankee Stadium and he will do even better than that. I figure for round numbers an average starter gets about 600 AB a season. Also, he will just turn 25 this month. I think he will improve even more.
G 99 160
AB 298 600
R 44 88
H 87 174
2B 19 38
3B 1 2
HR 10 20
RBI 40 80
BB 31 62
SO 39 78
SB 5 10
CS 2 4
SF 3 6
SH 3 6
OBP 0.355 0.355
SLG 0.463 0.463
OPS 0.818 0.818
AVG 0.292 0.292
Ransom shouldn’t be on the roster tomorrow, let along waiting till Gardner gets back. We’ve made a mess of the bottom of the roster so far this year.
It just seems surreal seeing him on the roster at all.
Even the hardcore pom-pommers have to admit, there’s no logical reason for it.
I don’t think the Washington Nationals would even take him, and they have given Wil Nieves 100s of ABs (to his credit, Nieves hasn’t been half-bad w/the Nats).
Over the last five yrs, Cashman has had over $1B at his disposal to spend on the roster, and yet there’s Cody playing meaningful innings in the pennant race. It’s odd, and quite frankly inexcusable.
Christina -
I wish nothing but the best for your son.
The last thing that Cabrera needs to do is to start thinking he’s a home run hitter. That’s part of what screwed him up last year….hitting a bunch of April home runs.
Christina25
You come on this blog and stir up trouble. Yesterday you brought up the issue of steroids and the yankees, when there is more information coming out daily that the Roid Sox were complicit and supported there players juicing up. It is karma, and the Roid Sox still suck !
Part of the attraction of the Hairston trade was that Hairston’s ability to play anywhere freed up a bench spot for a pinch hitter until Gardner gets back.
Keeping Ransom took that advantage away. Duncan’s no great hitter but he has some pop and could at least make an opposing manager think twice about leaving in the left handed pitcher. When Gardner gets back you send down Duncan but in the meantime you get something.
A bench of Hairston, Hinske, Duncan and Molina would be pretty decent. Better than the Yanks have had in a long time.
In my home, when our 1-year-old has an especially foul-smelling diaper (which is, unfortunately, not a rare occurrence), the phrase, “Man, that stinks worse than Cody Ransom” can often be heard.
Along with such other classic hits as:
“Honey, it’s time to take out the Cody Ransom.”
“Did you just Ransom? Can you at least crack a window?”
and so on.
GB
I agree, but they will come because he is a line drive hitter. Of course if he could get some of that big papi juice he’d hit them high & far! LOL!
I like his upside a lot. I also think he’d benefit if he were higher in the batting order, but I like him where he is this year.
Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can here me.
Well what do you expect when you have an inept GM and a moron for a manager. Ransom is not even good enough to shine a person’s shoes let alone play in the major’s.
And Girardi’s love affair with sorry players has cost this team many games. Just think, if this team had a smart GM and Manager they would be up five or more games in the standings.
Thank you, RayVT.
Thanks, Pete, for listing the instances of Yankees hitting for the cycle. I was reminded of Mantle’s 1957 cycle: I was 11 years old, in the hospital recovering from an appendectomy, and saw the game on TV. It was a thrill that took my mind off the ache in my abdomen.
Questions: Meusel holds the Yankees record with three cycles–who holds the major league record?
Which team has had the most cycles?
:rolls eyes: