What about waivers? Here’s some info
Posted by: Peter Abraham - Posted in Misc on Aug 11, 2009 
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Waivers are sort of this secret part of baseball. The players don’t understand how it works, few in the media do and it’s a sure way to throw fans into a panic. Rabble-rousing reporters love to mention how certain big names are on waivers. But it’s really not a big deal.
Here is some information via the Inside The Majors blog written by Bart Given.
There are four kinds of waivers — outright, optional, unconditional release and trade. Think about waivers as teams getting permission from other teams to make a roster move.
Outright waivers are what happens when teams take a player off the 40-man roster. Optional waivers are for some players (but not all) who are optioned back to the minors but stay on the 40-man roster. Unconditional release waivers are self-explanatory. Trade waivers are what we’re going through now.
Teams can place seven players a day on the waiver wire. Teams routinely do this to nearly every player on the roster. You do this to gather information about a possible trade for now or in the future. Or maybe you waive a few stars to try and hide the fact you’re waiving somebody else you do want to trade.
By default, any player claimed is automatically pulled off waivers unless MLB is told otherwise.
If a player is claimed and the original team wants to make a deal, clubs have two business days to make a deal. Team can claim players based by league affiliation, lowest winning percentage first. Basically, AL players go through the AL first before they get to the NL teams.
So if you hear the Yankees put Players, X, Y and Z on waivers, it doesn’t mean they’re trying to unload them. It’s just Brian Cashman giving himself options just in case something happens
Thanks, Pete.
Seems like the process affords teams the opportunity to finish up trades they were working on before the deadline.
The Sox & Jays were talking a Rios trade before the deadline, but probably got stuck on the money part.
Sox don’t give up prospects, Jays don’t send back money. Voila! Rios is a White Sox and Dye’s left wondering about his future.
Thanks for posting this Pete. Waivers always confused me. I didn’t realize there were 4 types
thought Mitre pitched well yesterday. he only gave up 5 runs. put us in position to win. this offense had 5 innings to score and they didn’t, but mitre kept us in the game.
Do the players know when they’ve been placed on waivers?
Only gave up 5 runs? that’s not good…Gaudin could probably do a much better job, hopefully we’ll see him soon enough.
thanks for trying Pete, but I’m still kind of confused.
If a team claims some one does the waiving team have to unload the person or can they pull back? I thought I heard somewhere that they had 48 (or was it 72) hours to pull the player off of waivers?
If you put a player on trade waivers but don’t get anything you want does the player just come off of waivers?
Once a player clears waivers do they become a free agent or just go back to the waiving team?
I could probably go on for hours…
Less than a week to sign the drafted players.
Anyone have updates on who is likely to sign / who is close.
Or maybe you waive a few stars to try and hide the fact you’re waiving somebody else you do want to trade.
So if Jeter is put on waivers it is just to try and get say Jerry Harriston to go through and trade Jerry to a team they want to? (just and example)
HokieHill:
They can be pulled back. If a player clears waivers, he can be traded or simply nothing happens. They don’t become a free agent.
Technically, Ace kept them in the game.
“Rabble-rousing reporters love to mention how certain big names are on waivers. But it’s really not a big deal. ”
Cough…George King … cough
dave = the angel on one shoulder, David = the devil on the other…interesting.
5 runs while better than he has been is not good enough to consistantly win games…although with the Yankees’ offense, it has been enough to be IN all of these games. He doesn’t pitch lights out and shouldn’t be expected to, but he does give the Yankees’ a chance to win, which is what all teams want from their #5. Eating more innings would be the biggest improvement IMO. I can handle giving up 5 runs while pitching 6+ innings but 5 runs in less than 6 innings is not good enough and will cost us the BP in other games.
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That is what happened with the Chad Godan (sp) trade. The Yankees and Pads were talking trade. But the Pads wanted to finish the Peavy trade first. Towers probably said to Cash, I’ll still Godan on waivers and if he gets to you, we’ll trade him.
Thanks for the waiver answers Pete!
For what it’s worth, if Sergio Mitre is the biggest problem the Yankees have, life is pretty good.
We were in position to win both of Mitre’s starts that we lost.
In Chicago, it was 5-5 in the 5th inning and we didn’t score again. Obviously Aceves gave up 4 runs in the 7th, but when Mitre left, it was a tie game.
Yesterday, it was 5-4 in the 5th with 5 innings to score a single run and we couldn’t do it. Ace this time held it right where it was.
He gave up 5 runs in both of those starts, but both games were very winnable.
Some great news!!
TAMPA, Fla. (AP) -New York Yankees pitcher Ian Kennedy has thrown off a mound for the first time since undergoing surgery May 12 to remove an aneurysm from beneath his right biceps.
Kennedy threw 25 pitches during a bullpen session Tuesday. The right-hander says everything was fine and he would work off a mound again Friday.
The 24-year-old Kennedy was pitching for Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre when he experienced numbness in his pitching hand. He hopes to pitch in a minor league game before the season ends.
The surgery was performed by Dr. George Todd, who operated on former Yankees pitcher David Cone’s aneurysm in 1996.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/s…..rk_Yankees
wow, I just read about AJ – that is just fantastic. He said after that night that he was going to do this – talk about being committed to something (some people don’t put their $$ where their mouth.
He really is an amazingly good guy. The guy just joined the team and he befriended Wang, taking the time to learn Chinese so that he could encourage and support him. I didn’t know anything about him when he signed (other than the usual stuff about him being a hot head and Doc taking him under his wing), so he’s been beyond a pleasant surprise.
Mitre’s next start is in Seattle against Luke French
After that, his next scheduled start is in Fenway, but we have an off-day before, so we could skip him and pitch Joba in that opening game.
thanks Jennifer for the IPK update.
Has anyone heard anything about Aaron Boone? He was supposed to start working out w/ Houston’s AA team on Mon.
“For what it’s worth, if Sergio Mitre is the biggest problem the Yankees have, life is pretty good.”
I’ll agree with that for sure!
Kennedy graduates from mini-mound to mound!
Francesa is a joke. A caller innocently called up asking about what Francesa thought about Jason Hirsh. Francesa cuts him off and says ‘Who’s that? He’s not on the Yankees I’ll tell you that’. Meanwhile, Hirsh was indeed acquired by the Yankees just before the deadline and is currently in AAA.
Kate
Here ya go. He’s already playing in minor league games
http://www.google.com/hostedne.....QD9A0E0SG0
jennifer,
That’s right. Forgot about Gaudin. And thanks for the IPK info. I think he’s the next adoptee. Have to follow him closely.
Back to the waivers, who first reported that a claim had been placed by the Red Sox on Christian Guzman?
As Cashman said on Kay’s show… we have won 3 of Sergio’s 4 starts
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don’t know, but whoever did they were wrong. LOL
Remember when we were all ticked off that Gio Gonzalez and his 9 ERA shut us down? Since that start, he has given up 4 runs in his last 4 starts (24 innings).
Thanks Jennifer. I saw an interview Aaron and his Dad did together many years ago, when he played for his Dad. I have liked him ever since, very humble and down to earth. I was thrilled when he came to the Yankees, even before his heroics
David its so funny….
Francesa’s like “You’re not going to fool me by shouting out some name, its probably the name of the guy sitting next to you!”
Hysterical.
“I guarantee you he’s not on the team now! Jason Hirsh.”
Sergio needs to fix a few mechanical things and avoid the big blow/big letdown. Not sure overbay’s homerun has landed yet.. Otherwise.. could be worse, our fifth starter could be Sidney Ponson….
I have wondered about the whole waiver wire deal before. It would be cool to talk to Cashman or someone in MLB about how it is handled.
I assume nowadays it’s all done via computer. Send in your waiver list to MLB and then MLB must disseminate all the info to all clubs.
It is done daily? Weekly?
If you make a claim – is it done via computer? via a call to MLB office?
What did they do pre-computer age?
Buster Olney had this little nugget today:
“Talked with some rival talent evaluators Monday who are now convinced the Rays will be taking offers on Upton this winter to take advantage of his value while it’s still relatively high. Upton is incredibly talented and has the talent to be a Gold Glove center fielder, but he has regressed offensively, and the fact that he griped about his place in the lineup when he’s been batting under .250 the whole year doesn’t speak well of his personal accountability.”
He is having an abysmal offensive season, but his D is first-rate. I’d be surprised if they move him or Carl Crawford, but there have been rumblings about both now.
It’s definitely shaping up to be another wild hot stove off-season.
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preemptive strike: don’t kill me for mentioning the off-season, please.
miggs
Is he still trying to say he isn’t a Yankee?
My guess is that this has been mentioned already, but Merlyn Mantle died. Mickey’s wife.
http://yes.mlblogs.com/archive.....uck_a.html
8th paragraph down Merlyn is mentioned.
“Francesa’s like “You’re not going to fool me by shouting out some name, its probably the name of the guy sitting next to you!”
Hysterical.
“I guarantee you he’s not on the team now! Jason Hirsh.””
Isn’t there someone in his studio that can throw something at him or hold up a sign that says “you’re sounding like an idiot!” I guess that’s the “appeal” of Francesca though…some one people love to listen to so they can laugh and/or get angry…
From September 1st, we can expand the rosters and don’t need to use Mitre
We can piece together a Gaudin-Albaladejo-Melancon game every 5th day!!!
I rank Ponson and Mitre the same.
Jennifer,
Apparently somebody behind the scenes just told him who Hirsh is. Francesa was reading off some printout given to him with the guy’s stats.
Tried to play it off saying “I’m not going to know every minor leaguer, but apparently Jason Hirsh is a real name of a player.”
So funny.
why was AJ Burnett, Melky, and Cano placed on waivers Saturday? That was bizarre. Why even bother to go through this exercise? its not done in other sports.
“Isn’t there someone in his studio that can throw something at him or hold up a sign that says “you’re sounding like an idiot!” I guess that’s the “appeal” of Francesca though…some one people love to listen to so they can laugh and/or get angry…”
The people who work with him probably like to see him look stupid, because if he treats them like the callers he would be talking down to them all of the time.
Well, technically Hirsh isn’t a Yankee. And hopefully won’t be. Because that would mean that Sergio and Gaudin failed miserably.
“The people who work with him probably like to see him look stupid, because if he treats them like the callers he would be talking down to them all of the time.”
But guys like Eddie and Sal get to go to all the games with him, he gives them huge Christmas bonuses. Trust me, there are perks to working with him.
Yeah I think the guys that work for like to see him back a fool of himself. I didn’t realize we got Hirsh but it took me 1 second to google his name and see that we did.
Francesa now admits Hirsh is a Yankee. Can somebody tell me why he’s allowed on the air?
I’d love to work with Texeira. All you gotta do is tae his flack and you get great seats to whatever game you want whenever you want them!
I actually think Ponson is better than Mitre. Looking at his game log, he was atleast able to pull some good games out of his hat every now and then -
vs. NYM – 6 IP, 0 ER
vs. TB – 6 IP, 1 ER
vs. LAA = 7 IP, 0 ER
vs. TEX – 6.1 IP, 3 ER
vs. KC – 6.1 IP, 2 ER
vs. SEA – 6 IP, 3 ER
vs. BOS – 6 IP, 1 ER
just to name a few
“thought Mitre pitched well yesterday.”
Equally important is that Girardi liked the way Mitre pitched. Obviously the way that translates is that it doesn’t really matter if the general populace decides that Mitre didn’t pitch well. Definitionally, what they are looking for and what Girardi is looking for usually turns out to be not totally in synch. That’s not surprising and it’s probably both understandable and expected. Fans want bottom-line results (many if not most fans). You have to be a very patient and big-picture person to take a look at incremental progress and totally appreciate that the organization sees that as the positive they are looking for.
I agree with Dave and others that Mitre pitched a pretty good game. He was sharper than he was in his other outings, and we know that “5 runs” doesn’t tell the whole story. Yes it was Mitre’s error, but it was the fielding and not the pitching that led to the extra run or runs. If Mitre had given up 5 runs all based on poor pitching, maybe there would be no discussion right now. But Girardi is looking for things that are found in more than just the final score. I think it is a good sign that a number of posters recognized that Mitre’s outing was actually pretty good. Some people have pointed out that his results have been pretty much in keeping with what you’d expect from your 5th starter. Maybe his TJ surgery is helping Girardi keep some kind of balance in his assessment. He knows exactly what to be looking for right now. And the truth of the matter is that Yanks did win 3 of his 5 starts.
I am definitely not in one camp or the other. If Mitre did not get another start that would be fine with me. The fact that he is, is fine with me also. I had basically guessed he would get another start because I’ve come to pretty much know where Girardi will be coming from based on observing what he looks for.
If I were to guess, my guess would be that Mitre will need to keep showing some kind of progress to continue to get starts. If he has a dismal outing next time out, in terms of his pitching, it won’t surprise me to see him fall off the radar.
Did I write I’d love to wrok with Texeria? Wow, that was dumb.
Meant to say I’d love to work with FRANCESSA. I’d love to wrok with Tex too, but that’s another story.
a huge Christmas bonus: like Mark Teixeira? (signed 12/23/08)
Merry Christmas to us!
Miggs,
That is hysterical! lol
Gotta love Francesa.
He’s the only that doesn’t know he now hosts a comedy show and he’s the biggest joke on it.
In the “old days”, there used to be a ticker machine in the GM’s office and they would follow the waiver transactions via ticker tape.
Now its all done by computer.
Just stuck it on, why is Mike trying to start something between Jorge and Alex. He is such a jerk. And his callers are feeding right into his hand.
Trade waivers have to be the dumbest part of baseball. Even more foolish than playing an All Star game where the result affects the World Series venue.
The very fact that AJ Burnett was on waivers the day after pitching a gem tells you all you need to know.
You’re telling me Cashman needed to gage interest? Umm, Brian, who (with money and playoff hopes) would NOT be interested in trading for AJ?
What a joke. Change the damn rules.
Another one of my favorite lines so far today from Francesa was something like “Steroids weren’t illegal in baseball back then! Only in the United States they were illegal, but not in baseball!”
This guy makes millions of dollars a year. I guess he worked hard when he was young to get where he is now. But he’s certainly not doing his homework. Frankly, it seems he does zero research for anything. Just goes off his previous knowledge and wings the rest.
Pete: If a player has a limited no trade clause, can only the teams on the approved list claim him or is it that if a non-listed team claims him he can’t be traded?
Mitre is probably start to start. Regardless of his results in Seattle, he will probably get skipped becuase they won’t want him facing Boston.
Perhaps the Yankees thinking is the following…..
Its much easier to bounce Mitre around (skipping a start after Seattle for example) than assigning Ace or Gaudin the Seattle start, skipping them against the Red Sox, and having them idle for too long.
This way, they can take advantage of what each guy (Ace and Gaudin) brings to the table in multiple games for the next 10 days or so.
new thread
Hold on. I thought he was right about that.
It was illegal to use steroids in the U.S., but it wasn’t against baseball rules. Unless I’m wrong?
Possible reasons for putting everyone, even your stars on waivers?:
1. Every team does it.
2. Individual players aren’t “ostracized” by the waiver wire process.
3. Floods the waiver wire, confusing the dumbest of general managers.
Yeah, Mike, murder is not ‘illegal’ in baseball, either.
Unintentional comedy can be the best, sometimes. Mike Francesa is like a terrible movie that takes itself way too seriously, thus providing unintended laughs at its own sake.
Girardi realizes that
A. We have a 5.5 game lead
B. No team has a good #5
C. We have won 3 of his 5 starts and in position to win the other 2.
D. With our offense and bullpen, we don’t need him to throw shutouts.
He’ll get one more start against a pretty weak Seattle team in a big ballpark, and if he bombs, then Gaudin starts his next turn. Remember, we have an off-day next week and can skip the #5 spot before Fenway.
Jeter ss
Damon lf
Teix 1b
matsui dh
Posada c
Cano 2b
Swisher rf
hairston 3b
Melkman cf
Well murder is kind of a different story than steroid use of course.
Not saying that Francessa isn’t an idiot. He is. But I thought he was right about that one.
Wait….. you’re completely missing the point. Read the quote.
Yes it wasn’t written in the rules that steroids were banned, but the quote says it all.
Illegal in the U S but legal in baseball.
If you don’t see the humor in that i don’t know what to tell you.
If something is illegal, it’s inherently forbidden in baseball (or any other profession).
It’s understandable for the average fan to not initially grasp the concept, but for someone who’s the purported expert making millions annually, it’s not.
//He’ll get one more start against a pretty weak Seattle team in a big ballpark//
Um……hey Goofy,
Seattle is 4 games out of the wildcard. If the Yanks take them lightly as you have done. Then they’ll most likely lose all 4 on the west coast against the up-start Mariners.
This thing is going to be all tied up by next week. Don’t get too use to that 5 game lead just yet
The 2-time World Champs of this decade are going to have something to say about that lead.
Prediction: By the time the Yankees leave Fenway Park on Aug 22nd. They’ll be back in second place where they belong
There’s a difference between technical accuracy and reality. Yes everything “illegal” is against the rules, but to try and use that to say steroid and other PED users were breaking the rules of the game is pure nonsense.
If the game does not have a testing program and a written punishment policy for using certain substances than, in essence the is no rule against it.
And there danm sure isn’t anything in the baseball CBA that even begins to imply that anyone who uses an illegal drug shall be forever banned from Cooperstown or being treated like a human being.
As far as I’m concerned there is only one star player who should be viewed as an illegal PED user in the eyes of the game and that’s Manny who violated a testing program and paid the price.
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Mitre was better last night, but that’s three times he’s field a comebacker and wet himself before making a throw. That’s just ridiculous. And no, SJ every criticism of Mitre is not panic or a character assassination on Girardi.
great post trisha
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“It’s just Brian Cashman giving himself options just in case something happens”
you mean that it’s Cashman giving himself waivers….